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| Daviey | zul: ? | 15:00 |
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| zul | sorry here | 15:00 |
| zul | #startmeeting | 15:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Nov 29 15:01:01 2011 UTC. The chair is zul. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. | 15:01 |
| zul | welcome to the the nova ec2 api team meeting | 15:01 |
| zul | Agenda: | 15:01 |
| zul | 1) Discuss ec2 api issues | 15:01 |
| zul | 2) Open Bugs | 15:01 |
| zul | 3) Openfloor | 15:01 |
| zul | #topic Discuss ec2 api issues | 15:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Discuss ec2 api issues" | 15:02 | |
| zul | so i have been running the aws-cloud testsuite and trying to figure out how to report issues. | 15:02 |
| zul | It seems to me that tests are not intuiative enough so I was thinking of writing a patch to make the tests a bit more informatiive | 15:03 |
| zul | So that is on my todo list. | 15:03 |
| zul | Last week I didnt really make any progress on the ec2 bug list because i got distracted with work related stuff | 15:04 |
| Daviey | sounds good | 15:04 |
| ttx | o/ | 15:04 |
| zul | Also there has been several gerrit review for ec2 related problems | 15:04 |
| zul | mwhooker has submitted a gerrit review branch for aws compatiabblity tests | 15:05 |
| medberry | o/ | 15:05 |
| zul | its at: https://review.openstack.org/1860 | 15:05 |
| zul | hey medberry | 15:05 |
| zul | Please help review it | 15:05 |
| zul | anyone else have any comments | 15:06 |
| Daviey | zul: add an action? | 15:06 |
| zul | oh i forgot one thing smoser pointed me to a branch that might help with speeding up the ec2 metadata server | 15:06 |
| zul | Daviey: so the action points would be: | 15:07 |
| zul | #action review https://review.openstack.org/1860 | 15:07 |
| zul | #action review aws-cloud testsuite to make it better | 15:07 |
| Daviey | zul: How complete is the testsuite? | 15:08 |
| Daviey | Are we testing S3? | 15:08 |
| zul | Daviey: the aws-cloud one or the one in the gerrit review | 15:08 |
| zul | the aws-cloud tests both ec2 and s3 | 15:08 |
| zul | although i havent used it to test s3 | 15:09 |
| Daviey | great | 15:09 |
| zul | i would like to see it act like the nova testsuite but it just prints a summary at the end so I think I might be missing something | 15:10 |
| zul | so any other comments? | 15:10 |
| zul | ... | 15:10 |
| zul | ok then | 15:11 |
| zul | #topic Open Bugs | 15:11 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Bugs" | 15:11 | |
| zul | so we still have a lot of open bugs that are ec2 specific: | 15:11 |
| zul | https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bugs?field.tag=ec2 | 15:12 |
| zul | an example of a new one is: | 15:12 |
| zul | https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/897164 | 15:12 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 897164 in nova "neither EC2 api nor openstack API expose the hostname" [Undecided,New] | 15:12 |
| zul | so right now they are just sitting there until someone actually does something with them, I think as a group we should start attacking them and get essex to support ec2 better | 15:13 |
| zul | comments? | 15:13 |
| Daviey | agreed | 15:14 |
| zul | heh ok | 15:14 |
| medberry | zul, are you just grepping for EC2 in the bug name or are they being tagged somehow? | 15:14 |
| zul | medberry: they are tagged ec2 | 15:14 |
| * medberry sees the tag... | 15:15 | |
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| zul | i try to go through the bug list once a week usually before the meeitng and tag any bugs that I might be missing | 15:15 |
| medberry | nod. | 15:15 |
| zul | and hopefully its a frenzy to fix the ec2 bugs ;) | 15:15 |
| zul | which right now it is not | 15:15 |
| zul | so developers who need to use ec2 need to get excited about fixing them | 15:16 |
| zul | hint hint | 15:16 |
| zul | comments... | 15:17 |
| * zul sees tumbleweeds run on by | 15:17 | |
| zul | so with that | 15:18 |
| * ttx wonders who actually does | 15:18 | |
| zul | #topic Open Floor | 15:18 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Floor" | 15:18 | |
| medberry | ttx, I see a lot of tumbleweeds roll by.... | 15:18 |
| ttx | zul: you might need to actively engage people that work with EC2 api and encourage them to join this meeting :) | 15:18 |
| zul | ttx: agreed | 15:19 |
| Daviey | I suspect a vast minoirty of those that care about ec2 actually know, or can attend this meeting | 15:19 |
| zul | mwhudson was at the first meeting at least | 15:19 |
| zul | maybe change the meeting time? | 15:19 |
| Daviey | I suspect awarness | 15:19 |
| medberry | I think soliciting and advertising | 15:19 |
| ttx | zul: first, collect the names of people interested | 15:19 |
| medberry | jinx | 15:19 |
| medberry | (time slot isn't especially bad) | 15:20 |
| ttx | (or good) | 15:20 |
| medberry | zul, I'll mention it to justinlw | 15:20 |
| * Daviey glares at medberry for soliciting! | 15:20 | |
| zul | i suspect alot of the people who are interested in the ec2 api are on the west coast and this wouldnt be a good time for them | 15:20 |
| * medberry puts on polarized glasses and hires a solicitor. | 15:21 | |
| Daviey | zul: No, i think it requires a blog post and more visability on the mailing list. | 15:21 |
| zul | good idea | 15:22 |
| zul | #action zul to write a blog post about the team meeting | 15:22 |
| zul | any other comments? | 15:23 |
| medberry | a "where's chuck" meme in the #openstack-meeting picture with #startmeeting EC2 API on Google + couldn't hurt.... | 15:23 |
| zul | hehe | 15:23 |
| zul | thankfully that is dead i think ;) | 15:23 |
| zul | if no one has anything else then i think thats it | 15:24 |
| zul | at least i have nothing else | 15:24 |
| Daviey | works for me | 15:25 |
| zul | thanks for coming | 15:25 |
| zul | #endmeeting | 15:25 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Openstack Meetings: http://wiki.openstack.org/Meetings | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack-meeting/2011/" | 15:25 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Nov 29 15:25:33 2011 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:25 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack-meeting/2011/openstack-meeting.2011-11-29-15.01.html | 15:25 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack-meeting/2011/openstack-meeting.2011-11-29-15.01.txt | 15:25 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack-meeting/2011/openstack-meeting.2011-11-29-15.01.log.html | 15:25 |
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| zns | #startmeeting Keystone Team Meeting | 18:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Nov 29 18:00:59 2011 UTC. The chair is zns. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. | 18:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Keystone Team Meeting)" | 18:01 | |
| zns | Hi There! Anyone here for the Keystone meeting? | 18:02 |
| gyee | I am. My first keystone meeting. :) | 18:03 |
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| zns | Got disconnected. ANyone here? | 18:04 |
| gyee | hi | 18:05 |
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| zns | gyee: hi - are you working with/on Keystone? | 18:06 |
| gyee | yes | 18:06 |
| zns | great. Looks like we're the only ones here now. I'm going to report some progress for the record, but let me know if you have specific questions? | 18:07 |
| zns | #topic Status and Progress | 18:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Status and Progress (Meeting topic: Keystone Team Meeting)" | 18:08 | |
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| zns | Documentation updates have been uploaded to http://keystone.openstack.org/ and http://docs.openstack.org/trunk/openstack-identity/admin/content/ | 18:09 |
| zns | I'd like to call out a some docs that have been asked for: | 18:09 |
| zns | http://keystone.openstack.org/endpoints.html on Endpoints and Endpoint Templates | 18:10 |
| zns | http://docs.openstack.org/trunk/openstack-identity/admin/content/example-flows.html example sequence diagrams explaining client and service interaction with Keystone. | 18:10 |
| zns | http://keystone.openstack.org/middleware_architecture.html and http://keystone.openstack.org/configuringservices.html on middleware and service configuration and design. | 18:11 |
| zns | We've also had 8 code merges and a number of reviews go in to address bugs and updates. | 18:13 |
| zns | We continue to focus on stabilizing and documenting Keystone in this release cycle. | 18:14 |
| zns | #topic Open Discussion | 18:14 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: Keystone Team Meeting)" | 18:15 | |
| zns | ANy questions? | 18:15 |
| gyee | zns: I'll be working on 890411. Any specific procedures I need to be aware of? | 18:15 |
| gyee | It may affect documentation as well. | 18:16 |
| zns | Do you have a blueprint or comment in the bug for your solution? | 18:17 |
| gyee | Not yet. I'll be proposing a solution shortly, most likely today. | 18:17 |
| zns | You can submit documentation updates with your code review (the RST docs are in the same repo). | 18:18 |
| gyee | Will do. Thanks! | 18:18 |
| zns | Great. That's all you need seeing as this will probably require an extension or API contract change | 18:18 |
| zns | The other thing is if you will be including any database schema changes let us know - we're using sqlalchemy_migrate and know that schema changes have been a challenge for the community who have production deploymewnts of pre-released code. | 18:19 |
| gyee | Sure. I am not anticipating any schema changes for this one. | 18:20 |
| zns | gyee: ping me on IRC when you have your proposal and I'll take a look at it today. | 18:21 |
| gyee | Will do. | 18:21 |
| zns | OK. Closing the meeting unless anyone has anything else? | 18:21 |
| zns | gyee: thanks! | 18:21 |
| zns | #endmeeting | 18:21 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Openstack Meetings: http://wiki.openstack.org/Meetings | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack-meeting/2011/" | 18:21 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Nov 29 18:21:55 2011 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:21 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack-meeting/2011/openstack-meeting.2011-11-29-18.00.html | 18:21 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack-meeting/2011/openstack-meeting.2011-11-29-18.00.txt | 18:21 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack-meeting/2011/openstack-meeting.2011-11-29-18.00.log.html | 18:22 |
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| ttx | o/ | 19:59 |
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| dolphm | keystone time? | 20:00 |
| * joesavak does the keystone dance | 20:00 | |
| dolphm | assuming i'm reading UTC correctly this week | 20:00 |
| joesavak | i'll double check | 20:00 |
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| anotherjesse | I see pbb | 20:00 |
| Kiall | Its 20:00 UTC at the mo | 20:00 |
| anotherjesse | on my calendar - but not sure if it came from the ical feed or not - http://wiki.openstack.org/Meetings | 20:00 |
| mtaylor | o/ | 20:01 |
| anotherjesse | think I'm going to delete all my meetings and re-click that link | 20:01 |
| ttx | nope, that's PPB time | 20:01 |
| zns | I did Keystone at noon…. this is PPB time? | 20:01 |
| zns | noon CST | 20:01 |
| ttx | yes. | 20:01 |
| dolphm | dammit lol | 20:01 |
| ttx | 20:00 UTC | 20:01 |
| jk0 | o/ | 20:01 |
| dolphm | oh well :P | 20:01 |
| mtaylor | wow. it's AMAZING how bad we all are at this post-daylight savings time change stuff | 20:01 |
| ttx | dolphm: I suggest you use the Google Calendar. Or http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?iso=20111202T21 | 20:02 |
| ttx | mtaylor: not "all". | 20:02 |
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| notmyname | is there a ppb meeting? | 20:02 |
| reed | google calendar is the best, don't copy the event, just import the feed... it worked for me on Evolution | 20:02 |
| mtaylor | ttx: collectively, I think we're all bad - individually, some of you are better than others of us | 20:02 |
| dolphm | done -- thanks | 20:03 |
| mtaylor | reed: yup. problem is when I remember meeting times in my head so I don't actually look at my calendar for them. fail | 20:03 |
| reed | it's all about the tools... they all suck, people are good | 20:03 |
| ttx | mtaylor: let's say being out of US timezones forces you to think about time in a very relative way | 20:03 |
| * mtaylor punches self in the face | 20:03 | |
| vishy | don't know if there is anything on the agenda for the peeb | 20:03 |
| * vishy waits for jbryce | 20:03 | |
| ttx | we don't have anything on the agenda, let's wait for jbryce who will call it off | 20:03 |
| ttx | or on | 20:03 |
| reed | ttx, mtaylor doesn't live in one timezone | 20:04 |
| ttx | reed: so he has no excuse | 20:04 |
| reed | he transcends time | 20:04 |
| reed | and has no excuse :) | 20:04 |
| * mtaylor memorized meeting times in all of the timezones he's in, and knows how to switch the time in his head | 20:04 | |
| mtaylor | but then meeting times changed, and apparently my brain is write-once | 20:04 |
| * ttx cheats and uses google calendar. | 20:05 | |
| soren | ttx: Knowing your weaknesses is a good thing. | 20:05 |
| ttx | also, translating UTC to CET is not very difficult. | 20:05 |
| pvo | \o | 20:05 |
| soren | ttx: if you have any, of course :) | 20:06 |
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| reed | since we're all hanging here, all PTL please check this thread and make sure that all requirements for the Q&A site are there... I'll move on with software selection based on them https://lists.launchpad.net/openstack/msg05715.html | 20:06 |
| anotherjesse | reed: would this deprecate the forum? | 20:08 |
| mtaylor | there's a forum? | 20:08 |
| zns | reed: How can we start an investigation into something like http://feedback.rackspacecloud.com/ for OpenStack to rank features? | 20:08 |
| notmyname | mtaylor: ya, remember that huge argument we all had about it (and then never used...) | 20:08 |
| anotherjesse | mtaylor: http://forums.openstack.org/ | 20:08 |
| reed | anotherjesse, we'll see... why would you want to deprecate? | 20:08 |
| jk0 | spreading resources too thin | 20:09 |
| reed | zns, I hear you ... one thing at the time :) | 20:09 |
| anotherjesse | reed: they provide very similar usecases | 20:09 |
| zns | reed: :-) | 20:09 |
| mtaylor | notmyname: I must have blocked that from my memory... I abhor web forums | 20:10 |
| reed | anotherjesse, indeed, but I don't want anybody to feel offended... we may decide that forum is the best way to proceed. At this point I'm not excluding anything | 20:10 |
| notmyname | mtaylor: so when is your vcsversion tool going to be ready? | 20:10 |
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| mtaylor | notmyname: hopefully this week | 20:10 |
| anotherjesse | reed: I think those enthusiastic about the forums preferred to have a q&a site | 20:11 |
| notmyname | vishy: anotherjesse: I'll be in SF next week. I'm planning on being at the RAX office for some amount of time | 20:11 |
| mtaylor | notmyname: I need to get translations imports done first, as well as a bunch of blueprint writeups | 20:11 |
| ttx | notmyname: we had an argument about it because we didn't want to use it :) | 20:12 |
| jk0 | ++ | 20:12 |
| mtaylor | notmyname: but then I want to get vcsversion finished | 20:12 |
| jk0 | or have to support it | 20:12 |
| ttx | jk0: I think we proved we were right | 20:12 |
| jk0 | ttx: that's why I was surprised to see the Q/A discussion brought up again so soon | 20:12 |
| ttx | someone called jbryce ? | 20:12 |
| pvo | jk0: ttx: i'm with you both. I didn't think it was really needed | 20:13 |
| ttx | jk0: reed hates forums, he is with us | 20:13 |
| reed | I don't hate anything :) | 20:13 |
| ttx | pvo: they were supposed to be so successful they would prove all devs wrong. | 20:13 |
| ttx | reed: yes you do | 20:13 |
| ttx | reed: you hate them even more than I do ! | 20:14 |
| reed | ttx, your words, not mine :) | 20:14 |
| pvo | ttx: I'm waiting with baited breath | 20:14 |
| jk0 | haha | 20:14 |
| pvo | <bated> | 20:14 |
| ttx | ok, I think we can postpone this PPB meeting, in absence of chair, agenda and quorum. | 20:15 |
| * mtaylor tried to work on a project a few months ago that _only_ had web forums - no mailing list, no irc channel. just a web forum | 20:15 | |
| mtaylor | it was CRAZY | 20:15 |
| * mtaylor gave up | 20:15 | |
| pvo | its 15 minutes…we doing college rules? | 20:16 |
| ttx | General team meeting in 45min | 20:16 |
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| notmyname | pvo: does that make jbryce a full professor? | 20:16 |
| pvo | guest lecturer ? | 20:17 |
| notmyname | heh | 20:17 |
| anotherjesse | mtaylor: are you referring to cloudfoundry? | 20:17 |
| Daviey | notmyname: If it does, that makes you in detention. | 20:17 |
| pvo | ttx: see you in a bit | 20:17 |
| mtaylor | anotherjesse: no, it's a thing called openFrameworks - a c++ framework for doing multimedia programming | 20:17 |
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| ttx | o/ | 20:59 |
| vishy | \o | 21:00 |
| pvo | o\ | 21:00 |
| anotherjesse | \0/ | 21:00 |
| bcwaldon | pvo, come on | 21:00 |
| ttx | zns, notmyname, jaypipes, devcamcar: around ? | 21:00 |
| pvo | i'm angled today | 21:00 |
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| bcwaldon | its a salute | 21:00 |
| dolphm | standing in for zns | 21:01 |
| jaypipes | ttx: o/ | 21:01 |
| ttx | dolphm: ack | 21:01 |
| dolphm | ttx: ? | 21:01 |
| ttx | dolphm: that was an acknowledgement | 21:01 |
| Vek | syn | 21:02 |
| ttx | notmyname, devcamcar ? | 21:02 |
| dolphm | doesn't syn come first? | 21:02 |
| * Vek debates whether to initiate backoff... | 21:02 | |
| ttx | Vek: I won't reply to syn broadcast. | 21:02 |
| Vek | hehe :) | 21:03 |
| dolphm | RST | 21:03 |
| ttx | ok, let's start | 21:03 |
| ttx | #startmeeting | 21:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Nov 29 21:03:23 2011 UTC. The chair is ttx. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. | 21:03 |
| ttx | Our agenda for today: http://wiki.openstack.org/Meetings/TeamMeeting | 21:03 |
| ttx | Note that we'll discuss the new core repositories for client projects after the project updates, so stay around after your project topic is done... | 21:03 |
| ttx | #topic Actions from previous meeting(s) | 21:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Actions from previous meeting(s)" | 21:04 | |
| ttx | * mtaylor devcamcar to discuss and converge to a common view on the need to split repos for horizon (or not) | 21:04 |
| ttx | mtaylor: Did you discuss that yet ? | 21:04 |
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| ttx | * Keystone devs to help with bug 891442 | 21:04 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 891442 in horizon "renaming of api_key causes several unhandled exceptions" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/891442 | 21:04 |
| ttx | dolphm: not sure if your help is still needed there ? | 21:05 |
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| dolphm | ttx: don't believe so | 21:06 |
| ttx | Hmm, let's talk back about it during the horizon topic, hopefully we'll have devcamcar in by then | 21:06 |
| ttx | #topic Keystone status | 21:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Keystone status" | 21:06 | |
| mtaylor | hi ttx | 21:06 |
| ttx | mtaylor: ah | 21:06 |
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| ttx | mtaylor: let's discuss that at the split repo topic | 21:07 |
| mtaylor | ttx: great | 21:07 |
| ttx | #link https://launchpad.net/keystone/+milestone/essex-2 | 21:07 |
| ttx | dolphm: is the status on there current ? | 21:07 |
| dolphm | keystone updates -- we're focusing mostly on open bugs (yay!), doc improvements (yay!) and finally paying more attention to integration efforts | 21:07 |
| notmyname | ttx: here | 21:08 |
| dolphm | ttx: yes, those statii (-es? lol) look accurate? | 21:08 |
| ttx | So service-endpoint-location endpoint-identifiers are not started yet ? | 21:08 |
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| dolphm | I'm not aware of any code published for locations, and we're still discussing endpoint identifiers | 21:09 |
| ttx | (Remember the E2 changes need to be proposed and merged by December 13.) | 21:09 |
| ttx | Looking at the general essex roadmap, there is a blueprint without a milestone target: | 21:09 |
| ttx | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/keystone/+spec/keystone-domains | 21:09 |
| ttx | dolphm: Should that be targeted to essex-3 ? | 21:09 |
| ttx | (since that's you last feature milestone, iirc) | 21:10 |
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| dolphm | ttx: endpoint-identifiers probably should be... in exchange, we may be addressing https://blueprints.launchpad.net/keystone/+spec/portable-identifiers sooner rather than later | 21:10 |
| dolphm | (as the endpoint-identifiers mentions) | 21:10 |
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| ttx | dolphm: should keystone-domains be targeted to E3 ? | 21:11 |
| ttx | or you don't know when is HP committed to it ? | 21:12 |
| jsavak | ttx: (hi) - that's a HP question | 21:12 |
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| dolphm | yeah, i don't have any visibility on keystone-domains myself | 21:12 |
| ttx | ok, will try to break the bug IRC wall and get more status updates | 21:12 |
| ttx | big* | 21:12 |
| ttx | dolphm: Anything else ? | 21:12 |
| jsavak | also I'm wondering if https://blueprints.launchpad.net/keystone/+spec/endpoint-identifiers and https://blueprints.launchpad.net/keystone/+spec/portable-identifiers can be merged | 21:13 |
| ttx | jsavak: noted | 21:13 |
| ttx | In other news, we cut a 2011.3.1 "Diablo+" tarball last week: | 21:13 |
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| ttx | https://launchpad.net/keystone/diablo/2011.3.1 | 21:13 |
| ttx | Questions for Keystone ? | 21:13 |
| dolphm | yes, i have an open question for keystone consumers / CI peeps -- we'd like to directly support a CI effort in the long run... is openstack-integration-tests the best place to do that? | 21:14 |
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| jaypipes | dolphm: yep | 21:14 |
| jaypipes | dolphm: it's handled the same as all core projects... gerrit-ified and all. | 21:15 |
| dolphm | is it the *only* such effort we should support? | 21:15 |
| reed | #info <dolphm> keystone updates -- we're focusing mostly on open bugs (yay!), doc improvements (yay!) and finally paying more attention to integration efforts | 21:15 |
| jaypipes | dolphm: yes. | 21:15 |
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| dolphm | cool -- will do | 21:15 |
| jaypipes | dolphm: or rather, the only one that the QA team is focusing on. | 21:15 |
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| dolphm | fair enough | 21:15 |
| ttx | Other questions for Keystone ? | 21:15 |
| jaypipes | dolphm: awesome, thx | 21:16 |
| dolphm | i'll be joining those meetings then | 21:16 |
| ttx | #topic Swift status | 21:16 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Swift status" | 21:16 | |
| ttx | notmyname: o/ | 21:16 |
| notmyname | hi | 21:16 |
| notmyname | swift 1.4.4 was released last thursday | 21:16 |
| reed | #info swift 1.4.4 was released last thursday | 21:17 |
| notmyname | we recommend you upgrade | 21:17 |
| ttx | notmyname: do you agree that the next version will be called 1.4.5 ? | 21:17 |
| pvo | drumroll | 21:17 |
| notmyname | ttx: I have no reason to think otherwise right now | 21:17 |
| ttx | No ETA yet, I suspect ? | 21:17 |
| notmyname | ttx: of course, that can quickly get in to other topics :-) | 21:17 |
| ttx | #action ttx to create swift/1.4.5 milestone, no ETA yet | 21:17 |
| notmyname | no ETA for the next version of swift yet | 21:17 |
| ttx | notmyname: Anything else ? | 21:18 |
| notmyname | I'm currently working on getting better visibility into progress and tasks and such | 21:18 |
| notmyname | I'l be in the bay area next week. come to the meetup to talk swift | 21:18 |
| ttx | Questions on Swift ? | 21:18 |
| reed | notmyname, visibility into progress? can you elaborate? | 21:18 |
| notmyname | reed: better coordination with internal project management tools and expternal, openstack ones. | 21:19 |
| reed | cool. thanks | 21:19 |
| notmyname | reed: and better visibility on what's being worked on and planned | 21:19 |
| notmyname | reed: so it's easier to coordinate between companies | 21:20 |
| ttx | #topic Glance status | 21:20 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Glance status" | 21:20 | |
| reed | #info <notmyname> I'm currently working on getting better visibility into progress and tasks and such [to the community] | 21:20 |
| ttx | jaypipes: yo | 21:20 |
| jaypipes | ttx: oy | 21:20 |
| ttx | #link https://launchpad.net/glance/+milestone/essex-2 | 21:20 |
| ttx | Progress on features looks good... | 21:20 |
| jaypipes | ttx: meh. got a bunch of reviews currently in progress. | 21:21 |
| ttx | Looking at the general essex plan at: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/glance/essex | 21:21 |
| ttx | You still have glance-xml and gzip-compression in plan, with no milestone... | 21:21 |
| jaypipes | ttx: ran into a bunch of issues with our Keystone functional tests that required fixes to Keystone. | 21:21 |
| ttx | jaypipes: Should I unset the series goal for them ? Or do you have someone committed to do them ? | 21:21 |
| jaypipes | ttx: you can unset those. sorry for not doing that earlier. | 21:21 |
| ttx | willdo | 21:21 |
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| ttx | #action ttx to unset glance-xml and gzip-compression | 21:22 |
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| ttx | jaypipes: "required", so it's ok now ? | 21:22 |
| dolphm | jaypipes: thanks for those :) | 21:22 |
| * ttx likes the dependency tree at https://blueprints.launchpad.net/glance/+spec/api-2 | 21:22 | |
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| ttx | jaypipes: feeling confident that this tree can all be completed in E3 ? | 21:23 |
| jaypipes | dolphm: yeah, no worries. mostly just version skew. | 21:23 |
| ttx | (Lots of small blueprints, I suspect) | 21:23 |
| jaypipes | ttx: no, it's going to be tough. I've been trying to get the third version of the 2.0 API proposal done. 90% there. | 21:23 |
| jaypipes | ttx: everything depends on signoff on the 2.0 proposal. | 21:24 |
| glenc | my bad | 21:24 |
| ttx | jaypipes: so it may overflow on E4 ? | 21:24 |
| jaypipes | ttx: perhaps, yes. | 21:25 |
| ttx | ok | 21:25 |
| jaypipes | glenc: not your fault. | 21:25 |
| ttx | jaypipes: Anything else ? | 21:25 |
| jaypipes | ttx: no, not right now. thx. | 21:25 |
| glenc | jaypipes: but I do have some stuff I need to run by you - I'll contact you tomorrow | 21:25 |
| jaypipes | glenc: cool. | 21:25 |
| ttx | Questions on Glance ? | 21:26 |
| ttx | #topic Nova status | 21:26 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Nova status" | 21:26 | |
| ttx | vishy: yo | 21:26 |
| ttx | #link https://launchpad.net/nova/+milestone/essex-2 | 21:27 |
| vishy | hi | 21:27 |
| ttx | Progress looks good in general | 21:27 |
| vishy | yes we need some reviews | 21:27 |
| ttx | Right, two essential blueprints look blocked in review: | 21:27 |
| ttx | nova-vm-state-management -> https://review.openstack.org/#change,1695 | 21:27 |
| ttx | nova-volume-snapshot-backup-api -> https://review.openstack.org/#change,1202 | 21:27 |
| vishy | the first is the big one | 21:27 |
| vishy | the second we are waiting on updates from the author | 21:27 |
| * vishy wishes we had a WIP flag | 21:28 | |
| ttx | mtaylor: ^ :) | 21:28 |
| vishy | the other stuff seems to be implemented/on track | 21:28 |
| mtaylor | vishy: yes! it's on the CI roadmap with high priority | 21:28 |
| ttx | vishy: on the general Essex plan, are you making progress with the subteams ? | 21:28 |
| ttx | Or do you need help in getting feedback from them ? | 21:29 |
| mtaylor | vishy: I will have the blueprint about it done today | 21:29 |
| vishy | titan team. Anyone know how much more uuid related changes are needed? | 21:29 |
| vishy | * many | 21:29 |
| vishy | ttx: I haven't received any feedback | 21:29 |
| bcwaldon | coming to a close, very close to being done | 21:29 |
| westmaas | bcwaldon: next round don't need as many changes? | 21:30 |
| ttx | vishy: would going to thei | 21:30 |
| vishy | and not much is targeted to e-3 yet | 21:30 |
| ttx | r team meeting help ? | 21:30 |
| bcwaldon | we're up around 40 branches at this point already in, with a few more left to do | 21:30 |
| bcwaldon | westmaas: correct | 21:30 |
| ttx | vishy: or they don't have any ? | 21:30 |
| vishy | so maybe i should start threatening violence | 21:30 |
| ttx | if violence means "less features" i'm all for it | 21:30 |
| vishy | I've been attending meetings as I can | 21:31 |
| vishy | I just want the features actually targetted | 21:31 |
| ttx | I'm concerned about disk-configuration-parity (feature parity team / sleepsonthefloor) | 21:31 |
| vishy | and assigned | 21:31 |
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| westmaas | vishy: is the uuid story a problem? | 21:31 |
| ttx | and separate-nova-volumeapi (Nova API team, bcwaldon) | 21:31 |
| vishy | westmaas: no | 21:31 |
| westmaas | s/story/bp/ | 21:31 |
| westmaas | ok | 21:31 |
| soren | I'm not sure it's going to scale to have the PTL to attend other's team meetings.. | 21:31 |
| vishy | soren: cloning? | 21:32 |
| soren | vishy: Clones still need to grow up. PEople always forget that. | 21:32 |
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| vishy | soren: well I would appreciate general updates occasionally | 21:32 |
| vishy | soren: but mostly if the subteam leads just stay on top of their blueprints | 21:32 |
| vishy | that would probably be enough | 21:32 |
| soren | It should be. | 21:33 |
| soren | That's my point :) | 21:33 |
| vishy | ttx: what is your concern about those two? | 21:33 |
| ttx | vishy: they are marked essential, so I suppose they are extra-important for you | 21:33 |
| ttx | and they won't happen if nobody is committed to work on them | 21:33 |
| vishy | they are | 21:34 |
| tr3buchet | didn't they figure out how to accelerate the growth rate of clones | 21:34 |
| vishy | which means I will probably have to do them myself! | 21:34 |
| vishy | :) | 21:34 |
| ttx | vishy: if teams don't produce anything and don't report up, they should be disbanded. Having them becomes a distraction | 21:34 |
| vishy | ttx: true | 21:35 |
| Vek | or new leaders appointed. | 21:35 |
| vishy | ttx: know there are things going on | 21:35 |
| ttx | Vek: depends if the problem is leadership or membership | 21:35 |
| Vek | point. | 21:35 |
| vishy | ttx: they just haven't congealed into specific tasks | 21:35 |
| ttx | vishy: ok, will talk to you about that this week | 21:35 |
| vishy | ttx: cool. Open to suggestions | 21:35 |
| vishy | maybe we need a mandatory team-lead meeting? | 21:36 |
| ttx | #action ttx and vishy to discuss how to solve Nova's team structure | 21:36 |
| ttx | In other news, https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/consolidate-testing-infrastructure is in the plan, without a milestone set | 21:36 |
| tr3buchet | vishy: that seems like a good idea | 21:36 |
| ttx | soren, oubiwann: do you have a target milestone for that ? | 21:36 |
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| soren | ttx: When's the next milestone again? | 21:36 |
| ttx | E2 | 21:36 |
| ttx | Dec 15 | 21:36 |
| soren | "when" | 21:36 |
| vishy | soren: ah yes I pinged you about that yesterday. | 21:36 |
| soren | vishy: Yeah. I suck. I know :) | 21:36 |
| vishy | soren: i wanted to make sure you thought it was correct before I approved it | 21:36 |
| vishy | although apparently i already accepted for essex :) | 21:37 |
| ttx | vishy: could you approve/set prio ? | 21:37 |
| soren | Yes, I saw that too :) | 21:37 |
| soren | I think E2 is doable. | 21:37 |
| vishy | soren: no qualms with approving it? | 21:37 |
| ttx | vishy: soren is in drivers so it's auto-approved to Essex | 21:37 |
| * soren smells a trick questino | 21:37 | |
| vishy | oh! | 21:37 |
| soren | question, even. | 21:37 |
| soren | ttx: I didn't touch it! | 21:37 |
| ttx | vishy: he is supposed to know what he is doing | 21:38 |
| vishy | soren: no, just wanted to make sure it fits in with your testing refactor | 21:38 |
| ttx | you didn't set the series goal to essex ? | 21:38 |
| soren | I think it must have been vishy. It was approved when I first went and looked. | 21:38 |
| ttx | heh | 21:38 |
| vishy | i might have done it | 21:38 |
| ttx | vishy: Anything else ? | 21:38 |
| soren | Anyways. | 21:38 |
| vishy | yes I want to talk about ppas | 21:38 |
| soren | Yes, I think it definitely falls within the testing refactor. | 21:38 |
| vishy | but I don't know if i should save that until the end. | 21:38 |
| ttx | #action vishy to set E2/prio/approval on consolidate-testing-infrastructure | 21:39 |
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| ttx | vishy: save it, if it's general | 21:39 |
| ttx | Questions on Nova ? | 21:39 |
| mtaylor | vishy: ping me when you start talking about that | 21:39 |
| ttx | devcamcar: around now ? | 21:40 |
| ttx | skipping Horizon, we'll be back if devcamcar or someone else shows up to represent Horizon | 21:40 |
| ttx | #topic Status on new core repositories | 21:40 |
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| ttx | So, for E2 we are introducing new repositories for several core projects | 21:41 |
| ttx | For Nova for example we are adding novaclient as an additional release deliverable | 21:41 |
| ttx | I'd like to go over the list and get status, see if we are on track for that for E2 | 21:41 |
| ttx | mtaylor: For Nova, we have novaclient being added -- how is that going so far ? | 21:41 |
| mtaylor | ttx: novaclient is in and good to go | 21:42 |
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| ttx | Do we have tarball CI jobs up yet ? | 21:42 |
| ttx | or just the repo ? | 21:42 |
| mtaylor | ttx: it's gerrit-ified and cutting tarballs | 21:42 |
| ttx | ok | 21:42 |
| ttx | We'll probably need milestone-proposed jobs | 21:42 |
| ttx | I'll check that | 21:42 |
| ttx | For Horizon, there was a proposal to split the django lib and the reference implementation, where are we with that ? | 21:43 |
| mtaylor | we are not doing that at the moment | 21:43 |
| mtaylor | there are workflow issues that need to be solved | 21:43 |
| ttx | #action ttx to check the need for MP jenkins jobs on novaclient | 21:43 |
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| mtaylor | I have a todo list item to present devcamcar with some options of how it could work | 21:43 |
| ttx | mtaylor: so we keep a single tarball for e2 ? | 21:43 |
| mtaylor | ttx: yes. | 21:44 |
| ttx | mtaylor: ok, but it would be good to have the final form by E3 | 21:44 |
| mtaylor | ttx: ok. noted | 21:44 |
| ttx | whatever that is | 21:44 |
| mtaylor | ++ | 21:44 |
| ttx | mtaylor: Do we need client splits for other projects (Keystone, Swift, Glance) ? | 21:44 |
| mtaylor | we need to pull python-keystoneclient in to the fold, split out quantum client and glance client, and I think we'll be in good shape | 21:44 |
| ttx | those are still TODOs, right ? | 21:45 |
| zns | Yes. Would like to do that for Keystone. | 21:45 |
| troytoman | mtaylor: we should get Melange set up right from the start | 21:45 |
| ttx | mtaylor: but on track for E2 ? | 21:45 |
| mtaylor | zns: is the 4P repo the one we should work on bringing in? | 21:45 |
| mtaylor | troytoman: ++ | 21:45 |
| mtaylor | ttx: glance is not | 21:45 |
| mtaylor | ttx: I think we can get quantum, keystone and melange on track by E2 | 21:46 |
| zns | mtaylor: that's a good start. I've added Keystone code to novaclient, but we can start with 4P. | 21:46 |
| ttx | glance is... done ? or not on track ? | 21:46 |
| mtaylor | zns: cool. I'll try to arrange | 21:46 |
| mtaylor | ttx: glance client is a little bit more integrated into glance, I need to chat with jaypipes about splitting strategy | 21:47 |
| Vek | glance client is still tightly attached to glance, afaik | 21:47 |
| ttx | mtaylor: ok, let's keep horizon and glance for E3 then | 21:47 |
| ttx | mtaylor: anything needed on swift side ? | 21:47 |
| mtaylor | ttx: I think similar to glance- notmyname said it's doable, but not on the immediate todo list | 21:47 |
| ttx | ok | 21:48 |
| notmyname | step one, make a client library | 21:48 |
| ttx | any other remark on that topic ? | 21:48 |
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| ttx | #topic Incubated projects and other Team reports | 21:48 |
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| ttx | danwent, troytoman: o/ | 21:49 |
| danwent | i'll let troy go first :P | 21:49 |
| ttx | Anything interesting in Melange and Quantum land ? | 21:49 |
| troytoman | we plan to have Melange moved into gerrit tomorrow afternoon | 21:49 |
| troytoman | otherwise, cleaning up docs and other items to make it more accessible | 21:49 |
| anotherjesse | related to the cli extraction I've been talking to various folks about how to make the CLI tools work the same way - http://wiki.openstack.org/CLIAuth | 21:49 |
| reed | #info <troytoman> we plan to have Melange moved into gerrit tomorrow afternoon | 21:50 |
| reed | #info <anotherjesse> related to the cli extraction I've been talking to various folks about how to make the CLI tools work the same way - http://wiki.openstack.org/CLIAuth | 21:50 |
| * Vek wonders whatever happened to his blueprint about auth | 21:50 | |
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| troytoman | not much else to report at this point | 21:51 |
| Vek | (because getting auth to work the same way across all the tools was part of my goal when I wrote that up...) | 21:51 |
| danwent | for quantum, we are trimming essex-2 a bit: https://launchpad.net/quantum/+milestone/essex-2 | 21:51 |
| danwent | main code changes for quantum that need to get into nova are already under review. | 21:51 |
| ttx | danwent: looks more reasonable :) | 21:51 |
| danwent | mtaylor: let's chat about quantum client lib offline | 21:51 |
| danwent | or you can come to netstack meeting next | 21:51 |
| ttx | Any other team lead with a status report ? | 21:51 |
| anotherjesse | Vek: link? | 21:51 |
| zns | Vek: been heavily focused on Keystone itself and middleware testing. Not much on the client yet. | 21:51 |
| danwent | and a heads up to the horizon folks, we'll probably be pinging you about some quantum related changes this week. can target either e2 or e3 | 21:52 |
| mtaylor | danwent: yes! I've been meaning to find you to chat about that - yours is actually probably one of the easiest to deal with :) | 21:52 |
| annegentle | Docs team working on a blueprint for API reference pages… see http://heckj.github.com/api-site-mock/# for a mockup. | 21:52 |
| Vek | anotherjesse: looking up now. | 21:52 |
| reed | #info <annegentle> Docs team working on a blueprint for API reference pages… see http://heckj.github.com/api-site-mock/# for a mockup. | 21:52 |
| ttx | annegentle: looks nice | 21:52 |
| Vek | anotherjesse: http://wiki.openstack.org/ClientAuthenticationPlugin | 21:52 |
| tr3buchet | troytoman: danwent: can you guys put some current status info for quantum and melange on http://etherpad.openstack.org/nova-network-team | 21:52 |
| annegentle | I want one more level of navigation added, but as a wireframe it's going to be useful. | 21:53 |
| ttx | devcamcar: still not around ? | 21:53 |
| dolphm | annegentle: very cool! | 21:53 |
| danwent | tr3buchet: I assume this is limited to quantum changes affecting nova, not quantum changes in general? | 21:53 |
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| annegentle | We experimenting with WADL as source for this output. | 21:53 |
| dolphm | annegentle: how is this being built? | 21:54 |
| dolphm | thanks ^^ | 21:54 |
| annegentle | dolphm: this is a wireframe made with copy/paste for review :) the actual building will be based on the reqs gathered. | 21:54 |
| tr3buchet | danwent: yes correct | 21:54 |
| ttx | OK, switching to open discussion, as we have a few things to discuss there | 21:54 |
| ttx | #topic Open discussion | 21:54 |
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| tr3buchet | danwent: i assume you have plenty of etherpads floating around for the rest | 21:54 |
| ttx | vishy: you wanted to mention PPAs ? | 21:54 |
| danwent | tre3buchet: indeed. sounds like a plan | 21:54 |
| tr3buchet | awesome | 21:54 |
| ttx | dolphm: <<"Status" is a male noun of the Fourth Declension in Latin, and as such the plural is "status", spelled identically>> | 21:55 |
| vishy | yes | 21:55 |
| anotherjesse | Vek: that seems like it would make doing the what the CLI Auth page is talking about easier. the cli auth page is talking about what the interface for users is, whereas the CAP page is about how you would then implement it | 21:55 |
| ttx | vishy: go for it | 21:55 |
| dolphm | psh, i studied latin, i'll stick with statii | 21:55 |
| vishy | in my mind we have a big problem with our ppa | 21:55 |
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| vishy | and we need to fix it | 21:55 |
| ttx | which ppa ? | 21:55 |
| Vek | *nod* | 21:55 |
| vishy | we are still providing a release ppa | 21:55 |
| vishy | and it is broken | 21:56 |
| salv-orlando | ttx: second declension | 21:56 |
| reed | https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/status#Latin | 21:56 |
| vishy | i would like to replace all of our ppas | 21:56 |
| vishy | with a stable ppa | 21:56 |
| vishy | mtaylor: ping | 21:56 |
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| * mtaylor agrees with vishy | 21:56 | |
| * annegentle cheers | 21:56 | |
| vishy | i don't want to have people installing a bunch of stuff that doesn't work | 21:56 |
| mtaylor | having a ppa up there with broken packages isn't doing anybody any favors | 21:56 |
| ttx | vishy: I agree we should remove the release PPA. But.. | 21:57 |
| vishy | and currently there is no option for people running on lucid | 21:57 |
| ttx | I don't want to have people installing a bunch of stuff nobody actually maintains | 21:57 |
| vishy | ttx: well we already have that :) | 21:57 |
| mtaylor | I think that we have people maintaining stable/diablo now | 21:57 |
| dolphm | reed: that shows statii (stat-longI), right? | 21:57 |
| mtaylor | and that is at least more maintained than the current diablo packages in openstack-release | 21:57 |
| vishy | we might as well give them something that is a best effort at working rather than something that is totally broken | 21:57 |
| zul | we are going to be releasing a stable/diablo we just have to get through some bureacracy | 21:58 |
| markmc | vishy, how about doing releases from stable/diablo and pushing ppas of those? | 21:58 |
| mtaylor | zul: for lucid? | 21:58 |
| markmc | right, what zul said | 21:58 |
| zul | mtaylor: oneiric | 21:58 |
| ttx | mtaylor: my point is that they maintain a branch for backports... not necessarily something that is supposed to be run in production | 21:58 |
| mtaylor | right. | 21:58 |
| glenc | Tu es adhuc bene litteratus, sed fallitur. | 21:58 |
| markmc | vishy, rather than e.g. nightly builds of stable/diablo | 21:58 |
| reed | dolphm, not for the noun | 21:58 |
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| vishy | markmc: I'm ok with that | 21:58 |
| dolphm | reed: just noticed that :P | 21:58 |
| zul | and we might have a ppa that has a weekly snapshot of stable/diablo soon as well | 21:58 |
| vishy | markmc: mainly i just want to give people an option who aren't running on oneiric | 21:58 |
| mtaylor | yeah. that's the important bit. | 21:59 |
| zul | so we will be testing stable/diablo for oneiric | 21:59 |
| markmc | ttx, any release from stable/diablo should be as production ready as 2011.3 | 21:59 |
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| vishy | zul: is it possible to have a stable/diablo for lucid? | 21:59 |
| markmc | ttx, or put it this way, we wouldn't release from stable/diablo until we were confident of it being production ready | 21:59 |
| vishy | markmc, ttx: any release would be better than 2011.3 :) | 21:59 |
| vladimir3p | and natty? | 22:00 |
| * Vek 's high school did not have latin, or in fact most other foreign languages... | 22:00 | |
| zul | vishy: i dont know.. | 22:00 |
| ttx | markmc: I still think it's "less good" than something the distros would provide. | 22:00 |
| vishy | we already have all of the infrastructure (backports etc.) in place for a lucid ppa | 22:00 |
| mtaylor | ttx: distros don't provide for pre-oneiric | 22:00 |
| ttx | compare stable/diablo and the current SRUs on Oneiric | 22:00 |
| markmc | ttx, oh, I agree with that | 22:00 |
| vishy | it just needs the nova code to be updated. | 22:00 |
| markmc | ttx, it's less bad than 2011.3 from upstream, too though | 22:00 |
| ttx | markmc: so if it ends up being "better but not good enough for production", I'd rather just scrap them | 22:01 |
| vishy | if that means a 2011.3.1 release that is fine? | 22:01 |
| markmc | ttx, well - 2011.3.x releases would be useful IMHO | 22:01 |
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| ttx | until someone maintains a true distribution of openstack for old stable versions of distros | 22:01 |
| markmc | ttx, if release PPAs are useful at all, then a release PPA of 2011.3.x would be useful too | 22:01 |
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| mtaylor | I think we should cut packages from 2011.3.1 and upload them to the release ppa. whatever we do for essex, the diablo release exists and people are trying to sue it | 22:02 |
| mtaylor | use it | 22:02 |
| ttx | this all needs a discussion. I'll explain why I think this is a bad idea | 22:02 |
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| ttx | but that would probably delay the net guys by a few hours | 22:02 |
| markmc | ttx, perhaps separate out doing 2011.3.x releases from the usefulness of release PPAs | 22:02 |
| dolphm | a bad idea for keystone, or for every project? | 22:03 |
| ttx | A bad idea for openstack itself as an upstreal | 22:03 |
| ttx | m | 22:03 |
| markmc | which one is a bad idea? 2011.3.x releases or release PPAs? | 22:03 |
| vishy | if I can't get by in on updating the ppa | 22:03 |
| vishy | i think we need to delete it | 22:03 |
| vishy | and someone else can make one | 22:03 |
| ttx | so far we had a model where we put out releases and downstreams make them production-ready and updateable | 22:03 |
| vishy | but there is a lot of backporting effort that will be hard to redo | 22:04 |
| markmc | vishy, e.g. Kiall :) | 22:04 |
| Kiall | vishy: that already happened ;) | 22:04 |
| mtaylor | ttx: I do not believe that model has worked | 22:04 |
| ttx | #action ttx or vishy to start a discussion on release PPA | 22:04 |
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| vishy | Kiall: you have a lucid ready version of stable/diablo? | 22:04 |
| ttx | mtaylor: I think we'll just end up spreading our resourecs and lower end quality as a result | 22:04 |
| ttx | but let's close this meeting and let the netstack guys in | 22:05 |
| Kiall | vishy: nope.. I havent done any bar oneiric | 22:05 |
| markmc | ttx, which one is a bad idea? 2011.3.x releases or release PPAs? or both? | 22:05 |
| reed | kool | 22:05 |
| mtaylor | ttx: I think that it's clear people want this ppa. at the moment, Kiall is maintaining one. and I'd really love to avoid the sentence: | 22:05 |
| mtaylor | "the openstack release ppa is broken, please see this person's ppa for working packages" | 22:05 |
| ttx | If there is a need, a company should make a distro around it | 22:05 |
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| reed | mtaylor, indeed | 22:06 |
| mtaylor | no | 22:06 |
| mtaylor | I disagree ttx | 22:06 |
| reed | better none than a broken one | 22:06 |
| mtaylor | this is theoretically a community project | 22:06 |
| jog0 | why is the https://launchpad.net/~nova-core/+archive/trunk nova 2 weeks old also? | 22:06 |
| Kiall | mtaylor: even I agree there... People use my PPA doesnt look good for ubuntu or openstack... | 22:06 |
| mtaylor | there is community making pacakges | 22:06 |
| mtaylor | how about we actually embrace that | 22:06 |
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| ttx | mtaylor: we should have that discussion on the ML | 22:06 |
| mtaylor | instead of deferring to theoretical companies who do not exist | 22:07 |
| ttx | and close this meeting. | 22:07 |
| reed | yes, this is ml material | 22:07 |
| ttx | #endmeeting | 22:07 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Nov 29 22:07:09 2011 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:07 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack-meeting/2011/openstack-meeting.2011-11-29-21.03.html | 22:07 |
| mtaylor | I do not think that this disucssion on the mailing list will be useful at all | 22:07 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack-meeting/2011/openstack-meeting.2011-11-29-21.03.txt | 22:07 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack-meeting/2011/openstack-meeting.2011-11-29-21.03.log.html | 22:07 |
| mtaylor | but whatever | 22:07 |
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| ttx | mtaylor: or on #openstack-dev, at an hour where I can actually sustain it | 22:07 |
| ttx | danwent: sorry for being late | 22:07 |
| mtaylor | ttx: fair. | 22:07 |
| danwent | hello netstackers | 22:07 |
| danwent | ttx: np | 22:07 |
| reed | I like the minutes with lots of #info tags... | 22:07 |
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| salv-orlando | hello! | 22:07 |
| edgarmagana | Hola! | 22:08 |
| danwent | welcome back salv-orlando | 22:08 |
| somik | hello folks! | 22:08 |
| danwent | #startmeeting | 22:08 |
| troytoman | o/ | 22:08 |
| GheRivero | hi people | 22:08 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Nov 29 22:08:12 2011 UTC. The chair is danwent. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 22:08 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. | 22:08 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hi | 22:08 |
| reed | everybody: remember to use #info more often | 22:08 |
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| salv-orlando | nice to talk to you again | 22:08 |
| danwent | #link agenda: http://wiki.openstack.org/Network/Meetings | 22:08 |
| reed | it makes minutes more readable | 22:08 |
| danwent | mtaylor: you around? | 22:08 |
| cdub | reed: that should be #info'd ;) | 22:09 |
| markvoelker | o/ | 22:09 |
| danwent | before diving into melange + quantum specifically, I wanted to have mtaylor talk about his thoughts on splitting clients out of the main repo, and how that woould work for quantum + melange | 22:09 |
| danwent | markvoelker: welcome back :) | 22:09 |
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| danwent | mtaylor: ping? | 22:10 |
| cdub | danwent: as in nova/network/quantum/client.py ? | 22:10 |
| mtaylor | danwent: pong | 22:10 |
| danwent | cdub: the goal is that once we have clients packaged, we can remove the nasty copy of client.py in different repos | 22:11 |
| cdub | *nod* just making sure that was client we were talking about | 22:11 |
| mtaylor | danwent: I would like to make the client subdir its own repo. and the common subdir its own repo | 22:11 |
| danwent | cdub: yup | 22:11 |
| danwent | mtaylor: i'm worried about the complexity here… | 22:12 |
| mtaylor | danwent: and I would like to put both of those repos in to gerrit as projects that are managed by quantum core | 22:12 |
| mtaylor | danwent: yes. however, it's a complex problem, so sometimes complexity is going to happen :) | 22:12 |
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| bhall | mtaylor: what about server, plugins, etc? | 22:12 |
| mtaylor | danwent: the problem is that we've got projects that need to depend on this stuff (horizon being a good example) | 22:12 |
| mtaylor | so we need to be able to reference the actual thing that's needed, wihtout pulling in the entire server | 22:13 |
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| danwent | mtaylor: definitely understand that.. we want to be able to package things separately, definitely | 22:13 |
| cdub | sounds more like packagin then repo mgmt | 22:13 |
| danwent | I think the question is why packaging needs to be tied to repo so tightly. | 22:13 |
| cdub | e.g. simple to build multpile packages from a single repo | 22:13 |
| danwent | i definitely understand that you have a lot of experience here… :) | 22:13 |
| danwent | cdub: yes, in fact that is what we do already. | 22:14 |
| cdub | right | 22:14 |
| mtaylor | it's for a few reasons | 22:14 |
| mtaylor | pip requires git lines can't reference sub directories | 22:14 |
| mtaylor | so you wind up with venv installs that require actual releases to pypi to be consumable | 22:15 |
| mtaylor | additionally, once you start having submodules in tree, standard tooling winds up being difficult to apply - knowing to interact with a setup.py in trunk is straight forward | 22:15 |
| mtaylor | knowing that there are 4 setup.py files spread throughout the tree is less obviouos | 22:15 |
| bhall | as of yesterday all setup.py's are in the root :) | 22:16 |
| danwent | ok, so the trade-off here is if we want the pip files of other projects to automatically pull "trunk", we need separate repos? | 22:16 |
| mtaylor | yes | 22:16 |
| mtaylor | also, it's the model we're using for the other projects, so in keeping with a consistent project-wide approach, I'd kind of want to hear a really good reason that it can't work | 22:17 |
| bhall | how many repos are we talking about? client, common, server, plugins? | 22:17 |
| danwent | I'm also worried about trying to keep quantum simple enough that its easy for new people to join and hack on the project | 22:18 |
| mtaylor | I don't think, as of yet, that we need separate ones for plugins | 22:18 |
| mtaylor | the most important one in my brain in client - as we have a python-*client project either in existence or coming in to existence for every openstack project | 22:18 |
| bhall | could we go with two repos? client, common/server/plugins | 22:19 |
| mtaylor | the common one is just because that's how you've organized your code - and i believe client depends on it, yeah/ | 22:19 |
| mtaylor | does client depend on common? | 22:19 |
| danwent | I believe that was the original goal | 22:19 |
| danwent | but perhaps we should revisit that… I'm not sure how much is currently shared. | 22:19 |
| bhall | I think it does currently | 22:19 |
| bhall | yeah, I don't think there is a lot of code that it depends on | 22:20 |
| danwent | mtaylor: so the main goal here is pip install, which are mainly targetted at developers right? | 22:20 |
| danwent | (I assume non-developers will get everything via packages, which should have dependencies described in terms of packages) | 22:21 |
| mtaylor | danwent: yes | 22:21 |
| danwent | ok, thanks for the explanations… I think I understand this better now, but still need to noodle on whether there are ways we can both be happy :) | 22:22 |
| mtaylor | danwent: there is no thought that people will be doing production releases from pip :) | 22:22 |
| mtaylor | danwent: awesome | 22:22 |
| danwent | mtaylor: given your goal of doing this for e2, we'll follow-up with you soon. and we'll make sure netstack list is cc'd | 22:22 |
| mtaylor | danwent: sounds great! | 22:23 |
| danwent | appreciate your time | 22:23 |
| danwent | Ok, troy, still around? | 22:23 |
| troytoman | yes | 22:23 |
| danwent | #status Melange Update | 22:23 |
| danwent | #topic Melange Update | 22:23 |
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| danwent | tired fingers :) | 22:23 |
| troytoman | #info the melange repo will move to the openstack github/gerrit system tomorrow at 3PM CST | 22:24 |
| troytoman | mostly been working with mtaylor and jeblair on that. | 22:24 |
| troytoman | we are almost done with adding notifications as well. | 22:24 |
| troytoman | once we have that done we will look to implement notifications for quantum | 22:25 |
| troytoman | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/quantum/+spec/quantum-notifications | 22:25 |
| troytoman | probably an e-3 type item | 22:25 |
| troytoman | otherwise, trying to flesh out documentation, etc. | 22:25 |
| danwent | answered the question before I could ask :) | 22:25 |
| troytoman | that's about it | 22:25 |
| salv-orlando | troytoman: do you think explicit plugin support would be required/adivsable for notifications? | 22:25 |
| troytoman | my fingers aren't as tired | 22:25 |
| troytoman | salv-orlando: you mean support for plugins within notifications? | 22:26 |
| troytoman | or plugins for notifications? | 22:26 |
| salv-orlando | actually, I meant to ask whether plugins should be explicitly aware of the presence of the notification mechanism | 22:27 |
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| salv-orlando | or if that something you can entirely handle in the API layer | 22:27 |
| troytoman | that's probably a good topic to consider. since we have focused initially on Melange we haven't thought about plugins | 22:27 |
| danwent | yeah, probably depends on the scope of notifications. if they just map to API actions, I would assume plugins don't need to know about them. | 22:28 |
| troytoman | but it would be a good thing to think through - initially we are focusing on basic notifications like create/delete network, ports, etc. | 22:28 |
| salv-orlando | ok, cool. We'll see as soon as the spec is more defined. | 22:28 |
| troytoman | i think plugins could add notifications that take advantage of the basic structure that is there | 22:28 |
| troytoman | look over the blueprint and let's discuss further | 22:28 |
| danwent | ok, anything else on melange? | 22:29 |
| danwent | #topic Quantum Status | 22:29 |
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| danwent | #info we're doing pretty well on reviews: https://review.openstack.org/#q,status:open+project:openstack/quantum,n,z | 22:29 |
| danwent | #info largest existing review is salvatore's patch left from e-1, but that just requires minor tweaks. | 22:30 |
| danwent | Brad, can you also send a pointer to the nova-parity-nat review, as that is in nova? | 22:30 |
| bhall | sure, lemme find it | 22:31 |
| salv-orlando | tweaks should be in tomorrow. Apologies if I've been lazy on Quantum lately :) | 22:31 |
| danwent | salv: next two topics for e-2 are you… so we'll see :) | 22:31 |
| danwent | essex-2 milestone: https://launchpad.net/quantum/+milestone/essex-2 | 22:31 |
| bhall | #info nova-parity-nat review: https://review.openstack.org/#change,1940 | 22:31 |
| danwent | things are still a bit loaded for e-2, so I wanted to review the major items. | 22:31 |
| danwent | salv-orlando: operational status | 22:32 |
| danwent | I think this needs to be available soon if plugins are going to be able to implement the interface in time for e-2 | 22:32 |
| salv-orlando | This will be available for e2, definitely. The issue is what we should assume about plugins. | 22:32 |
| salv-orlando | If a plugin does not support the operational status, how are we going to behave? | 22:33 |
| danwent | #link operationa status still targeted for e2: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/quantum/+spec/api-operational-status | 22:33 |
| salv-orlando | Return an "UNKNOWN" status, return an exception? | 22:33 |
| salv-orlando | I'm for the UNKNOWN status | 22:33 |
| danwent | salv: that is what I was going to suggest as well. | 22:33 |
| salv-orlando | cool. Anybody against the UNKNOWN state? | 22:33 |
| danwent | you're going to send out a detailed spec proposal though? | 22:34 |
| salv-orlando | Still need to update the one on the wiki. My apologies for that... | 22:34 |
| salv-orlando | #action Salvatore to provide updated spec | 22:34 |
| danwent | Ok, please ping netstack. yup, great | 22:34 |
| salv-orlando | sure. | 22:35 |
| danwent | anyone from cisco around that can comment on whether there should be a bug for doing operational status for the cisco plugin in e-2? | 22:35 |
| danwent | next API topic: filters (https://blueprints.launchpad.net/quantum/+spec/api-filters) | 22:36 |
| danwent | salv, this is you as well. delivery status is "unknown" | 22:36 |
| SumitNaiksatam | danwent: yeah, need to look at the spec | 22:36 |
| danwent | sumit: great, thanks | 22:37 |
| danwent | sumit: perhaps create a bug/bp for this and target to essex-2, just so we can track it. | 22:37 |
| SumitNaiksatam | dan: ok | 22:38 |
| danwent | salv-orlando: comments on status of filter? still planning on e-2? | 22:38 |
| salv-orlando | I reckon we put this spec to unknown because we did not want to create too much pressure on plugin for essex-2 | 22:38 |
| danwent | so sounds like e-3? | 22:38 |
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| salv-orlando | The code is fairly straightforward, but as any thing requires some thought. And there will possibly be plugin support required. | 22:38 |
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| salv-orlando | I therefore suggest to move this feature to e-3 | 22:39 |
| danwent | salv-orlando: yes, I suspect plugin support would be required | 22:39 |
| danwent | sounds good. | 22:39 |
| salv-orlando | I think that in this case it is advisable, but not strictly required (plugin can return all data, and API does filter) | 22:39 |
| danwent | salv: for the filtering, would be good for us to do a quick analysis of any inefficient queries that quantummanager has to do… those are probably primary targets | 22:39 |
| salv-orlando | anyway, we would still need a mechanism to understand whether the plugin is providing the filter :) | 22:39 |
| danwent | yup | 22:40 |
| salv-orlando | yeah, let's target the analysis in a week. | 22:40 |
| danwent | ok, thanks | 22:40 |
| danwent | carlp: you here? | 22:40 |
| salv-orlando | #Action salvatore to publish on wiki and discuss on NetStack mailing list points where API filters might be required. | 22:40 |
| danwent | #action #danwent contact #carlp about jenkins environment: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/quantum/+spec/quantum-functional-test-environment | 22:41 |
| danwent | #info: plan is to have at least one simple integration test for nova + quantum in by essex-2, just so we start flushing out practical issues. If anyone wants to contribute more, please do | 22:42 |
| danwent | bhall: nova-nat parity? | 22:42 |
| bhall | one review so far | 22:42 |
| bhall | one more to go | 22:42 |
| danwent | ok, sounds good. | 22:43 |
| danwent | debo-os: any comments on the cloudpipe work? | 22:43 |
| debo-os | I figured out the main changes ... writing hte BP | 22:43 |
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| debo-os | also we discussed pushing this to E3 due to nova changes | 22:44 |
| debo-os | BP should have the flow and be done in 1-2 days | 22:44 |
| danwent | debo-os: yes, makes sense. don't want to push anything to nova team last minute | 22:44 |
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| danwent | ok, sounds great. ideally we get this done early e-3, which makes for a more relaxed nova reivew process :) | 22:44 |
| danwent | looks like arvind isn't around, but I know he is planning on spinning up again on the quantum + horizon work. if you're interested in collaborating, send mail to the list. I expect to see more BPs soon. | 22:44 |
| danwent | three bugs to talk about: | 22:45 |
| danwent | bug #803086 | 22:45 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 803086 in quantum "plugins.ini should be collapsed into quantum.conf to prevent configuraitn"sprawl"" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/803086 | 22:45 |
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| danwent | I'm still in favor of getting this in. we delayed it from e-1 because it was too close to the deadline. any concerns? | 22:45 |
| danwent | basically, just means that you configure the plugin in quantum.conf to avoid having too many config files. | 22:46 |
| danwent | bug #897817 | 22:46 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 897817 in quantum "The cisco plugin extensions need to move to the cisco plugin directory" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/897817 | 22:46 |
| danwent | this is point raised on ML. wanted to get comment from cisco team. | 22:46 |
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| cdub | danwent: what about this comment "Considering that we are relying on plugins.ini in several places outside of quantum, ..." (re first bug) | 22:47 |
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| danwent | actually, that was a concern I raised. we have some automation scripts that do this as part of automated configuration. | 22:47 |
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| danwent | to me this is one of those things where the long we wait, the more things we'll break, so we might as well change it soon. | 22:48 |
| salv | cdub: good point. However, keeping two conf files does not look good. | 22:48 |
| cdub | as long as "places outside of quantum" is well-known, then makes sense to collapse and update the few external dependencies | 22:48 |
| edgarmagana | I got kicked out from the IRC meeting! | 22:48 |
| salv | We can deprecate plugins.ini but still support it in e-2 and e-3 | 22:48 |
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| danwent | cdub: yeah, trying to get it changed while that is still the case :) | 22:49 |
| salv | and then remove it completely for the final release | 22:49 |
| cdub | +1 to that | 22:49 |
| danwent | salv: yeah, a "soft" removal is probably best | 22:49 |
| salv | cool. So, is that agreed? | 22:49 |
| danwent | #agreed: implement "soft" removal of plugins.ini, which final removal targeted in essex main release | 22:50 |
| danwent | salv: patch will have to change a bit then, correct? | 22:50 |
| salv | yes, but not a lot. | 22:50 |
| danwent | k, great | 22:51 |
| danwent | final bug of note: Bug #897837 | 22:51 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 897837 in quantum "The new packaging breaks find_config_file" [Critical,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/897837 | 22:51 |
| bhall | that one is in already | 22:51 |
| danwent | tyler just filed this today, but seems important so I upped it to critical and targeted for e-2 | 22:51 |
| bhall | bug maybe not updated | 22:51 |
| cdub | danwent: i think that's in the repo | 22:51 |
| danwent | damn, that was quick, nice work :) | 22:51 |
| danwent | I will update the bug | 22:52 |
| cdub | can someone explain this to me? | 22:52 |
| cdub | Date: Tue Mar 29 23:15:10 2011 -0400 | 22:52 |
| cdub | Tyler's commits are all from the past, but then i saw one from Brad as well | 22:52 |
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| danwent | as a note: people should always include bug ids in the first line of the git commit, that way jenkins automatically updates the bug to committed. | 22:52 |
| bhall | one of my dev vms isn't using ntp I think | 22:53 |
| cdub | commit done on workstation w/ wrong date? | 22:53 |
| bhall | and is way off as far as date is concerned | 22:53 |
| cdub | ok, wasn't sure if there was some other weird magic going on ;) | 22:53 |
| danwent | ok, i'll ping tyler about that too. probably just dates being off, but yeah, its confusing. | 22:53 |
| danwent | Ok, anything else for e-2? | 22:54 |
| danwent | remember, branch will be early on Dec 13th, for final release on Dec 15th | 22:54 |
| danwent | we should now have correct repo permissions to do the branch, unlike with essex-1 | 22:54 |
| danwent | #topic Open Discussion | 22:54 |
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| danwent | anything? | 22:55 |
| edgarmagana | Dan: I just created a BP for network services insertion | 22:55 |
| danwent | edgarmagana: link? | 22:55 |
| edgarmagana | da: #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/quantum/+spec/services-insertion-wrapper | 22:55 |
| edgarmagana | I am updating the full description but basically is what we decided during the summit | 22:56 |
| danwent | Ok, from the write-up its not clear what changes will be made to quantum, so it seems a bit risky to me to target for essex-2 | 22:57 |
| edgarmagana | It will consist of a wrapper to insert a service "in-path" into the network | 22:57 |
| danwent | what portions of the codebase are affected? | 22:57 |
| danwent | "wrapper"… is this a new api extension? | 22:57 |
| edgarmagana | not impact to any other code, it will be an isolated piece of code calling other methods | 22:58 |
| danwent | ok, so a quantum client? | 22:58 |
| edgarmagana | yes, very similar to client | 22:58 |
| danwent | ok, if so, that seems pretty low risk for e-2 | 22:58 |
| danwent | I look forward to reading the BP. | 22:59 |
| danwent | anything else? | 22:59 |
| danwent | ok, have a good one folks. one minute to spare :) | 22:59 |
| danwent | #endmeeting | 22:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Nov 29 22:59:42 2011 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack-meeting/2011/openstack-meeting.2011-11-29-22.08.html | 22:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack-meeting/2011/openstack-meeting.2011-11-29-22.08.txt | 22:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack-meeting/2011/openstack-meeting.2011-11-29-22.08.log.html | 22:59 |
| cdub | thanks | 22:59 |
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| salv | bye! | 22:59 |
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| danwent | bye all | 23:00 |
| markvoelker | 'night | 23:00 |
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