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| annegentle | Doc/Web team meeting in here in about 12 mins | 19:48 |
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| annegentle | anyone around for the Doc/Web team meeting? | 20:01 |
| bcwaldon | yep | 20:01 |
| annegentle | coolio | 20:01 |
| dubsquared | <- | 20:01 |
| annegentle | welcome dubsquared | 20:02 |
| dubsquared | how goes it | 20:02 |
| annegentle | well, thanks | 20:03 |
| annegentle | lloydde: around? | 20:03 |
| annegentle | not sure anyone interested in translations will be able to attend at this time... | 20:03 |
| annegentle | but it's on the agenda. | 20:03 |
| annegentle | I can go ahead and start | 20:03 |
| annegentle | #startmeeting | 20:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Dec 12 20:03:49 2011 UTC. The chair is annegentle. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. | 20:03 |
| annegentle | Welcome to the Doc / Web team meeting, we meet monthly about documentation and the OpenStack website. | 20:04 |
| annegentle | #topic API quick start and reference page | 20:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "API quick start and reference page" | 20:04 | |
| annegentle | This is probably a repeat from the weekly team meeting, but we welcome input on http://heckj.github.com/api-site-mock/ | 20:04 |
| annegentle | The idea is to provide a reference site for developers consuming OpenStack APIs. | 20:05 |
| annegentle | We're soliciting ideas for integrating extension information. | 20:06 |
| annegentle | Which leads to the next topic, the extension documentation. | 20:06 |
| annegentle | #topic Extension documentation | 20:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Extension documentation" | 20:06 | |
| annegentle | Jorge posted to the mailing list last week, seeking feedback on http://http://docs.rackspace.com/openstack-extensions | 20:06 |
| annegentle | whoops weird double http on that one :) | 20:06 |
| annegentle | #info seeking input on http://heckj.github.com/api-site-mock/ | 20:07 |
| annegentle | #info seeking input on http://docs.rackspace.com/openstack-extensions | 20:07 |
| annegentle | feedback on the Extensions site can be funneled to Jorge | 20:07 |
| annegentle | and for the API site, heckj mostly did the mockup | 20:08 |
| annegentle | I don't have much to add on those two. We are seeking more ways to get design feedback. The Dashboard team especially needs it, so we're working on inventive ways to gather input. | 20:08 |
| annegentle | One idea is to hold a monthly review meeting via webinar-ish methods. | 20:09 |
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| annegentle | Ideally we'll loop in more of the actual audience for these sites than the devs of the sites, ya know? | 20:10 |
| bcwaldon | won't most of the community that cares be on the mailing list? | 20:10 |
| annegentle | #info Looking for more ways to get reviews and input on designs. | 20:10 |
| annegentle | bcwaldon: I'm thinking of it as not all of Rackspace's customers who will migrate to the next Compute API aren't on the OpenStack list, for example. | 20:10 |
| bcwaldon | annegentle: very true | 20:11 |
| bcwaldon | annegentle: but should they be involved at this level? | 20:11 |
| dubsquared | I think it's a fair ask to assume that a lot of the visitors to the site might be new to the project, or are just looking ffor one specific piece off info? | 20:11 |
| annegentle | bcwaldon: and HP's public cloud customers could give valuable input, that sort of thing | 20:11 |
| bcwaldon | annegentle: so you're kind of looking to build a customer advisory board for openstack | 20:11 |
| bcwaldon | and this could be one of the discussion topics | 20:12 |
| annegentle | dubsquared: visitors to the API site certainly may be new to the project… but I'm envisioning they're just looking for "what can I GET on the Compute API" | 20:12 |
| annegentle | bcwaldon: maybe not that lofty a goal, but that would be awesome, to get more "real" customers reviewing sites, info, docs, and the Dashboard UI | 20:12 |
| dubsquared | do you mean in that the context of "what can GET do for me?" | 20:12 |
| bcwaldon | annegentle: maybe we just approach who we think will be consumers of these resources and ask them? | 20:13 |
| dubsquared | what can POST, what can …..? | 20:13 |
| bcwaldon | annegentle: I know a group here that might care | 20:13 |
| annegentle | dubsquared: yep, really just a minimal reference site | 20:13 |
| dubsquared | gotcha ... | 20:13 |
| annegentle | bcwaldon: that would be awesome if we found a small group that would like to poke at early designs, ya knkow? | 20:13 |
| bcwaldon | annegentle: sure, let me actually ask someone right now... | 20:13 |
| annegentle | bcwaldon: excellent, thanks. | 20:13 |
| bcwaldon | I'll get back to you after the meeting | 20:13 |
| annegentle | do you all think a webinar approach would work well for Dashboard UI? | 20:14 |
| annegentle | nearly all open source projects have the difficulty of shoe-horning dev processes into design process or the other way around | 20:14 |
| annegentle | so I do think it's an "audience" solution much of the time, meet devs where devs hang out, find users where users hang out. | 20:14 |
| annegentle | anyway, the next topic is discussing how to track bugs and content requests for openstack.org | 20:15 |
| annegentle | #topic Openstack.org site processes | 20:15 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Openstack.org site processes" | 20:15 | |
| annegentle | So the process now is to log a bug against the Launchpad openstack-manuals project and tag it "website" | 20:16 |
| annegentle | And even that process is new, so we can change it as needed. One thought is to have an openstack-org Launchpad project for bug and request tracking. | 20:16 |
| annegentle | Any preferences? | 20:16 |
| annegentle | Seems like we had a lot of excitement about the process surrounding the "security" page but now interest has died down a little? :) | 20:17 |
| annegentle | We did the work on the security page, tracking it with this doc bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+bug/898010 | 20:17 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 898010 in openstack-manuals "Security page rev1 on openstack.org" [High,Confirmed] | 20:18 |
| dubsquared | that seems to be a reasonable method, as long as it's published as /the/ method :) | 20:18 |
| annegentle | We had another bug come in about fonts used in a PDF from the openstack.org site, which we logged, tracked, and completed. So the process seems to work. | 20:18 |
| annegentle | dubsquared: yeah, find a process and stick to it! :) | 20:18 |
| annegentle | I think Todd and I are fine with either, just a matter of setting up openstack-org on Launchpad and publishing that is "the" way | 20:20 |
| annegentle | Also the name "openstack-org" matches the Github repo I believe. | 20:20 |
| dubsquared | #winning | 20:20 |
| annegentle | hee | 20:20 |
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| annegentle | welcome Todd | 20:20 |
| toddmorey | Hello! | 20:21 |
| annegentle | We were just talking about setting up an "openstack-org" Launchpad project for tracking requests/bugs | 20:21 |
| annegentle | toddmorey: do you have any preference for the project name? | 20:21 |
| toddmorey | I think openstack-org works | 20:22 |
| annegentle | Yeah I like it. | 20:22 |
| annegentle | #action Anne to set up Launchpad project called openstack-org to track content requests and bug fixes with openstack.org site | 20:22 |
| toddmorey | We are also adding an expanded footer that has a small "feedback on this page" form for each webpage on the .org site. Those will then be filtered and added as requests/bugs into launchpad as appropriate | 20:23 |
| annegentle | toddmorey: oh nice. | 20:23 |
| annegentle | #info Feedback on this page form being added to each openstack.org page to add to Launchpad for tracking | 20:23 |
| toddmorey | (so that's a way for casual browsers to also provide quick insights to us without having to know about launchpad.) But we want to have it all end up in the same place and I like the idea of using launchpad. | 20:24 |
| annegentle | For now, I think it's just Todd and I who have author privs on the openstack.org site, but maybe we can set up a "core" team like docs-core is set up. | 20:24 |
| toddmorey | yes, and we'd like to get some translators going as well for a few key pages to start | 20:24 |
| annegentle | toddmorey: ah, nice segue into Translations! | 20:25 |
| annegentle | #topic Translation process | 20:25 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Translation process" | 20:25 | |
| annegentle | My very rough outline for a translation process uses Launchpad at the heart of it for storing files and assigning permissions for translators. | 20:26 |
| annegentle | The process is so rough it's untested :) | 20:26 |
| annegentle | But I did want to see if there's interest in pursuing such a process. Seems like there's not enough interest for a full-fledged process, but we can keep it around for when the time's right. | 20:27 |
| annegentle | Essex may be the release after which we translate docs, I'm not sure. | 20:27 |
| annegentle | So I think I'll leave it at that - process outlined, no owners yet. | 20:27 |
| annegentle | #info Translation process is rough and untested, when sufficient interest arises we can test. | 20:28 |
| annegentle | No actions at this time, I believe. | 20:28 |
| annegentle | toddmorey: though for specific openstack.org pages, I wonder if a post to the mailing list would suffice? | 20:28 |
| annegentle | toddmorey: a post to request help? | 20:29 |
| toddmorey | Yes, that's a good idea. | 20:29 |
| annegentle | okay | 20:29 |
| annegentle | let's email a bit to pinpoint pages and such | 20:29 |
| toddmorey | It's a fairly simple process in the CMS, but once we have volunteers we could provide them instructions or do a quick demo | 20:30 |
| annegentle | #Action Anne to email Todd about specific openstack.org pages to translate | 20:30 |
| annegentle | Ok, last item before open discussion is about work to move from Cloud Sites to Cloud Servers | 20:30 |
| annegentle | #topic Move docs.openstack.org from Cloud Sites to Cloud Servers | 20:30 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Move docs.openstack.org from Cloud Sites to Cloud Servers" | 20:30 | |
| annegentle | So, Rackspace hosts docs.openstack.org, and currently it's set up as a Cloud Sites account. | 20:31 |
| annegentle | The Rackspace Doc Tools team is moving to Cloud Servers for the Rackspace content, and wants to move OpenStack content over too. | 20:31 |
| annegentle | I'm fine with it as long as the sys admin work is done by Rackspace, ensuring backup and assistance 24/7. | 20:32 |
| annegentle | So the research item for the Doc Tools team is to ensure the same level of service. | 20:32 |
| annegentle | The benefit is that we can automatically create the landing page | 20:32 |
| annegentle | rather than manually | 20:32 |
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| dubsquared | Who is going to own the support for the site after the move to cloudservers? | 20:32 |
| toddmorey | right, me too. as long as the servers have owners and someone to call if docs isn't responding for some reason | 20:32 |
| annegentle | dubsquared: the "research item" is "let's make sure we have a Managed Cloud Servers account :) | 20:33 |
| dubsquared | word :) | 20:33 |
| annegentle | ayup | 20:33 |
| annegentle | This move will mean changes to Jenkins builds. | 20:33 |
| annegentle | I believe it's just a change to the FTP settings in one location. | 20:33 |
| annegentle | And probably an additional build job for this automatic landing page. | 20:34 |
| annegentle | #info In research stages for moving docs.openstack.org from Cloud Sites to Cloud Servers, ensuring same SLA as now. | 20:34 |
| annegentle | Basically I don't want calls in the middle of the night if the site goes down :) | 20:34 |
| annegentle | No action right now, the actions are being taken by joesavak and the Doc Tools team. | 20:35 |
| annegentle | So, that's it for December. Any items for open discussion? | 20:35 |
| annegentle | #topic Open discussion | 20:35 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open discussion" | 20:35 | |
| annegentle | A book I'm working on that I'm excited about is https://github.com/annegentle/openstack-manuals/tree/installdocs | 20:36 |
| annegentle | it's a new document for installing manually using Cloud Builders packages "diablo-final" | 20:37 |
| toddmorey | yay! | 20:37 |
| toddmorey | that's awesome | 20:37 |
| annegentle | and I just got Compute, Identity, and Dashboard working today. | 20:37 |
| toddmorey | and badly needed | 20:37 |
| annegentle | whew! | 20:37 |
| annegentle | The merge back in is going to be NUTS. But it's a separate document so I think it'll go okay. | 20:37 |
| toddmorey | One thought for the website is the current "action item" for each project page is to push them to download code. | 20:38 |
| annegentle | #info New install/deploy document draft nearly ready for publishing | 20:38 |
| annegentle | #link https://github.com/annegentle/openstack-manuals/tree/installdocs | 20:38 |
| toddmorey | We'd like to instead point people to a getting started guide. This install guide sounds like the ticket. | 20:38 |
| annegentle | toddmorey: oh yes this is what we'd want to point them to | 20:38 |
| jsavak | \o - just joined | 20:38 |
| annegentle | Hi Joe! | 20:38 |
| jsavak | hi! | 20:38 |
| annegentle | Any update on a Managed Cloud Servers account for docs.openstack.org? | 20:39 |
| jsavak | i have some info on the cloud servers move - | 20:39 |
| annegentle | excellent | 20:39 |
| jsavak | yup - after speaking with monty - we are going to create them as regular cloud servers and add them to the puppet scripts for monitoring | 20:39 |
| jsavak | zns confirmed this approach | 20:40 |
| annegentle | jsavak: will Monty get the notifications on the monitors | 20:40 |
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| jsavak | not sure. I'll confirm with Monty - but I think it would be whoever gets the jenkins alerts... | 20:41 |
| annegentle | jsavak: ok so it's more or less Jenkins that says "broke!" | 20:41 |
| annegentle | jsavak: and then is the CI team the "fixers?" | 20:41 |
| jsavak | i think so (or hope so) | 20:41 |
| annegentle | jsavak: that may not be acceptable… need to figure out if they're really up for an SLA or some sort of terms. | 20:42 |
| jsavak | and will confirm | 20:42 |
| annegentle | I have some trepidation :) | 20:42 |
| jsavak | yup. I think things will be more concrete with openstack foundations, but right now I have trepidation too. | 20:42 |
| annegentle | Is plan B for OpenStack to stay on an earlier snapshot of the build tools? Is there no branch for "we still use Cloud Sites?" | 20:43 |
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| jsavak | no branch was being planned for cloud sites support | 20:43 |
| jsavak | the work hasn't started and i'm sure we'll discover a lot of the answers when we get David & Monty together | 20:44 |
| annegentle | jsavak: may need to at least visit and discuss that… seems like there are enough difference between the SLAs to look into options. | 20:44 |
| annegentle | We can discuss more as you find out more, also. | 20:44 |
| jsavak | sounds good | 20:44 |
| annegentle | Ok, we can wrap up if there's no other discussion items. | 20:44 |
| annegentle | thanks all for coming. We missed our usual "regulars" Joe Heck and Todd Deshane, but thanks y'all for coming! | 20:45 |
| annegentle | #endmeeting | 20:45 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Openstack Meetings: http://wiki.openstack.org/Meetings | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack-meeting/2011/" | 20:45 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Dec 12 20:45:53 2011 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:45 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack-meeting/2011/openstack-meeting.2011-12-12-20.03.html | 20:45 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack-meeting/2011/openstack-meeting.2011-12-12-20.03.txt | 20:45 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack-meeting/2011/openstack-meeting.2011-12-12-20.03.log.html | 20:45 |
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| vishy | anyone here? | 21:01 |
| bcwaldon | beep | 21:01 |
| _0x44 | (ò_ó)ᕤ | 21:01 |
| _0x44 | I only have 20 minutes though. | 21:02 |
| dubsquared | (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻ | 21:02 |
| dubsquared | unacceptable ^^ | 21:03 |
| _0x44 | 17 now. | 21:03 |
| vishy | well ok lets start | 21:04 |
| vishy | #startmeeting | 21:04 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Dec 12 21:04:23 2011 UTC. The chair is vishy. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:04 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. | 21:04 |
| vishy | #topic First Nova Subteam Meeting | 21:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "First Nova Subteam Meeting" | 21:04 | |
| vishy | welcome everyone | 21:04 |
| vishy | first item on the agenda is figure out how we don't have to do this | 21:05 |
| vishy | #topic Best method of communication | 21:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Best method of communication" | 21:05 | |
| vishy | #info Goals for communication: | 21:05 |
| vishy | #info Efficiently managing and targeting blueprints | 21:06 |
| vishy | #info Addressing shared blueprints and work across teams | 21:06 |
| vishy | #info Ensuring we aren't duplicating work | 21:06 |
| vishy | #info Ensuring we aren't blocking each other | 21:06 |
| vishy | #info Staying abreast of decisions made by teams | 21:06 |
| vishy | #info Staying aligned with the release schedule | 21:06 |
| vishy | soren sugested that this could all be done via email | 21:07 |
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| _0x44 | Should there be a sub-team mailinglist? | 21:07 |
| vishy | this seems like a possibility but we all have to be better at emailing updates | 21:07 |
| vishy | _0x44: based on the relative value of the other mailing lists I'm not sure it is necessary | 21:08 |
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| vishy | we could just hit openstack mailing list with a [subteam] heading if necessary | 21:08 |
| vishy | other options are: | 21:08 |
| bcwaldon | vishy: I like that approach | 21:08 |
| vishy | regular meetings (maybe biweekly) | 21:08 |
| _0x44 | I personally think a lot of the db discussions would have been better done on a mailing list instead of an IRC meeting as the only people who attend have been myself, bcwaldon, and monsyne dragon. | 21:08 |
| vishy | shared place to put updates | 21:08 |
| bcwaldon | I bet we would get better participation through email anyways | 21:09 |
| vishy | _0x44: agreed. I was trying to avoid the bikeshedding that sometimes occurs on the ml | 21:09 |
| vishy | by shrinking the commenters to people who are actually going to work on it | 21:09 |
| vishy | but I'm not sure if that really worked | 21:09 |
| vishy | i think it has been pretty effective for nova-api | 21:09 |
| vishy | (which had the most bikeshedding imo) | 21:10 |
| bcwaldon | I know there are people that work on the nova apis that don't come to nova-api team meetings, but I'm not sure if that's because they dont care about doing it right or what | 21:10 |
| vishy | #idea the team leads are probably enough to prevent bikeshedding | 21:10 |
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| bcwaldon | vishy: yeah, as long as we empower the team leads enough to shut down bikesheders | 21:11 |
| vishy | #idea so we can return to ML discussions if the team leads are willing to keep the discussions focused and directed. | 21:11 |
| _0x44 | vishy: +1 to that. | 21:11 |
| vishy | does anyone have alternative proposals or other suggestions? | 21:11 |
| bcwaldon | vishy: how about we encourage email correspondence through the list and say meetings can be scheduled when its absolutely necessary | 21:12 |
| vishy | bcwaldon: I like it | 21:12 |
| bcwaldon | but to include those in other timezones, we absolutely need to shoot for email | 21:12 |
| bcwaldon | when I say *other*, I mean non-US timezones | 21:12 |
| bcwaldon | I would love to see if participation picks up from non-US timezones if we eradicate all these meetings | 21:13 |
| vishy | so cross team communication can include multiple headers or will be with the [subteam] heading if it applies to everyone | 21:13 |
| vishy | so If i'm emailing the team leads, I'm going to use the [subteam] heading, so eyes out for those | 21:13 |
| _0x44 | I like that, especially since the person doing the most work on db clean up right now isn't able to attend the -db meeting. | 21:13 |
| bcwaldon | vishy: does it make sense to have team-specific mailing lists | 21:14 |
| vishy | #action vishy to email the list explaining use of the list by subteams. | 21:14 |
| bcwaldon | I know we've already gone back and forth on that one | 21:14 |
| vishy | bcwaldon: no, we have those and i think it is not necessary | 21:14 |
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| bcwaldon | can you explain why | 21:14 |
| vishy | bcwaldon: my last email suggested using [api] header for example for nova-api related discussion | 21:14 |
| vishy | bcwaldon: it isolates information | 21:14 |
| bcwaldon | kind of like the meetings do | 21:15 |
| vishy | bcwaldon: people can ignore messages they don't care about | 21:15 |
| bcwaldon | so what's the point of having logical teams on launchpad? | 21:15 |
| bcwaldon | I've got ~50 people on nova-api that have never said a word | 21:15 |
| vishy | bcwaldon: perhaps there isn't a lot of value | 21:15 |
| vishy | bcwaldon: aside from having a team lead | 21:15 |
| bcwaldon | that's what I'm thinking | 21:15 |
| vishy | bcwaldon: I don't know that we need to remove the teams though | 21:16 |
| vishy | we can just shut down the ml after everyone has switched over to using the main ml | 21:16 |
| bcwaldon | I think what's most important here is that people that care about different topics can have a way to communicate with one another | 21:16 |
| vishy | bcwaldon: actually | 21:16 |
| vishy | bcwaldon: the subteams on launchpad are great for tracking blueprints | 21:16 |
| bcwaldon | vishy: good point | 21:16 |
| vishy | bcwaldon: so i think they still have value | 21:16 |
| bcwaldon | absolutely | 21:16 |
| vishy | #info subteams will not use separate mailing lists, but still have value for blueprint tracking | 21:17 |
| vishy | ok next topic | 21:17 |
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| vishy | #topic Blueprint management and targetting | 21:17 |
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| vishy | #info we need to get better at assigning and targetting blueprints | 21:18 |
| vishy | there is a lot of stuff still assigned to teams with no actual person assigned | 21:18 |
| vishy | how can we improve that | 21:18 |
| vishy | suggestions? | 21:18 |
| bcwaldon | so the problem I see a lot on the project is that we're great at reacing to what features are proposed to be added | 21:18 |
| bcwaldon | but when we have a feature that a specific company isn't driving, it just sits | 21:19 |
| bcwaldon | since we don't have resources to allocate to those kinds of features | 21:19 |
| vishy | bcwaldon: I agree. Unfortunately a lot of the stuff is important to others | 21:19 |
| vishy | bcwaldon: for example separate-volume-api | 21:19 |
| _0x44 | I have to run | 21:19 |
| bcwaldon | bye _0x44 | 21:19 |
| bcwaldon | ! | 21:19 |
| _0x44 | Sorry | 21:19 |
| vishy | _0x44: ok thx, will send out update | 21:20 |
| bcwaldon | vishy: so we're back to more of a technical-debt problem | 21:20 |
| bcwaldon | how can a product organization prioritize technical debt | 21:20 |
| bcwaldon | when there are so many tempting features | 21:20 |
| vishy | bcwaldon: I don't think there are that many tempting features left | 21:20 |
| vishy | bcwaldon: we don't have that much feature work targeted | 21:21 |
| bcwaldon | maybe at this point | 21:21 |
| bcwaldon | this feeling has been around a while | 21:21 |
| bcwaldon | I'm digging down deep | 21:21 |
| vishy | bcwaldon: so i feel like we should all be moving to technical debt, cleanup, bugfixing, perf testing | 21:21 |
| bcwaldon | vishy: absolutely! | 21:21 |
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| vishy | bcwaldon: looks like it is me and you now | 21:23 |
| bcwaldon | just the two of us | 21:23 |
| bcwaldon | we are nova | 21:23 |
| vishy | haha | 21:23 |
| bcwaldon | so yes, we do need to get better at assigning blueprints | 21:23 |
| bcwaldon | how about I go over the nova-api blueprints and send out an email to the team | 21:24 |
| vishy | that would be cool | 21:24 |
| vishy | I will take a look at the state of the other ones | 21:24 |
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| bcwaldon | ok | 21:24 |
| bcwaldon | what other problems can I solve for you | 21:25 |
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| vishy | i guess that is it | 21:25 |
| bcwaldon | actually | 21:25 |
| bcwaldon | let me ask a question | 21:25 |
| vishy | #action bcwaldon to clean up nova-api blueprints and email about targeting | 21:25 |
| bcwaldon | for the openstack-api-ssl bp, there has been a review in gerrit forever | 21:26 |
| vishy | #action vishy to look over other blueprints and send out specific email to [subteam] highlighting issues | 21:26 |
| bcwaldon | how would you suggest we move forward with that | 21:26 |
| vishy | bcwaldon: is that an hp one? | 21:26 |
| vishy | sometimes you have to kick them | 21:26 |
| vishy | i kicked them about the vm state one and they updated it | 21:26 |
| bcwaldon | vishy: we're in a public forum! | 21:26 |
| bcwaldon | ok, I'll ping them | 21:26 |
| bcwaldon | do you want to be my assignee for separate-nova-volumeapi | 21:27 |
| mtaylor | vishy: can I kick anybody for you? | 21:27 |
| vishy | bcwaldon: I guess it should be me, but I want to talk with you about where exactly we should move the parts | 21:27 |
| vishy | bcwaldon: we discussed it briefly but i will probably bug you about it more | 21:27 |
| bcwaldon | yeah, I need to talk to you about adminapi | 21:27 |
| bcwaldon | we can hop on skype | 21:28 |
| vishy | lets finish this meeting | 21:28 |
| bcwaldon | yes | 21:28 |
| vishy | #topic open discussion | 21:28 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open discussion" | 21:28 | |
| vishy | any questions comments? | 21:28 |
| vishy | thoughts? | 21:28 |
| vishy | complaints? | 21:28 |
| bcwaldon | mtaylor: this is directed at you | 21:28 |
| vishy | is anyone even here? | 21:28 |
| vishy | :) | 21:28 |
| bcwaldon | just the two of us | 21:28 |
| mtaylor | o/ | 21:28 |
| bcwaldon | we can make it if we try | 21:28 |
| * mtaylor is just lurking | 21:29 | |
| vishy | #endmeeting | 21:29 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Openstack Meetings: http://wiki.openstack.org/Meetings | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack-meeting/2011/" | 21:29 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Dec 12 21:29:18 2011 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:29 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack-meeting/2011/openstack-meeting.2011-12-12-21.04.html | 21:29 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack-meeting/2011/openstack-meeting.2011-12-12-21.04.txt | 21:29 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack-meeting/2011/openstack-meeting.2011-12-12-21.04.log.html | 21:29 |
| zul | i was lurking as well | 21:30 |
| mtaylor | zul is a lurker | 21:30 |
| zul | amongst other things | 21:30 |
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| dubsquared | hey hey... | 22:51 |
| dubsquared | calm down… ┬┬ ノ( ゜-゜ノ) | 22:51 |
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