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heckjfolks here for the keystone meeting?18:02
rafaduranhi all18:02
openstackMeeting started Tue Apr 10 18:02:50 2012 UTC.  The chair is heckj. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.18:02
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heckjOla all!18:03
heckjworking from Agenda here: http://wiki.openstack.org/Meetings/KeystoneMeeting18:03
heckj#topic Status for Summit18:03
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heckjI'm not 100% on ttx' plan for scheduling the summit sessions, btu that should be getting nailed down shortly18:04
heckjI've gone through and approved all the sessions, so we're pretty full up on times18:04
heckj(i.e. completely booked for the time alloted)18:04
heckjI'm going to run through and pre-create etherpads for the sessions as well. They match up with the blueprints currently listed18:05
heckj#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/keystone18:05
heckjAny questions related to prep for the summit?18:06
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heckjOkay - moving on18:07
heckj#topic Hi Pri issues?18:07
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heckjI triaged 2 new bugs - one needs more information, the other is a "we'd like" future work piece18:08
heckjAnyone aware of other high priority issues or other trouble on the release?18:08
heckjquiet morning. That's good18:09
heckjlast topic18:09
heckj#topic Open Questions18:09
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rafaduranabout https://bugs.launchpad.net/keystone/+bug/97280018:10
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 972800 in keystone "Identity backends provide get_by_name methods but  they aren't available via API" [Wishlist,Confirmed]18:10
rafaduranI'm waiting some help about this to start developping something18:10
rafaduranI've added a link to an extension I'm using meantime18:10
* heckj looks18:12
heckjrafaduran: you'll get more discussion rolling about your code if you do it as a git review against the current codebase.18:13
heckjwe'll also be talking about revising the API sets into something new (a next revision) at the summit - this would be a perfect component of that discussion18:14
rafaduranheckj: I've done this extension because I needed inmediatly but now I wish add to keystone, but I don't really know if this fit at keystone core or contrib or whatever18:14
heckjrafaduran: propose it as contrib for starters, and let's get feedback rolling on the folks looking at the code.18:15
rafaduranheckj: ok, thanks18:15
heckjanything/noeone else18:15
heckjbcwaldon: everything cookin' along?18:15
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bcwaldonheckj: yep, just here to watch ;)18:16
rafaduranI've also sent a patch https://bugs.launchpad.net/keystone/+bug/95695418:16
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 956954 in keystone "Keystone needs a URL normalizer middleware" [Low,In progress]18:16
rafaduranfor folsom but I think a bit early18:16
rafaduranso it wasn't reviewed18:17
heckjcool - I'll take a look at it today and get some feedback rolling18:17
rafaduranDo I re-send it o just discard it?18:17
heckjrafarduran: you might remove your -1, people won't generally thinl/know to review if you're asserting "don't touch this" (which is what the -1 basically does)18:18
heckjIf you re-review that patch, it'll reactivate18:18
rafaduranok, I just wanted to mark it for folsom18:18
rafaduranheckj: I think the patch can't be reviewed since it is marked abandoned18:21
heckjIf nothing else, I'll wrap this up for today...18:21
heckjrafaduran: check out that patch, and invoke "git review" on it again and it'll reactivate18:22
rafaduranheckj: ok18:22
heckjrafaduran: you good?18:23
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heckjguessin' so18:29
heckjclosing this out18:30
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LinuxJedimtaylor: meeting today?19:01
jeblairwe should have a ci meeting19:01
mtaylorhey guys19:03
openstackMeeting started Tue Apr 10 19:03:19 2012 UTC.  The chair is mtaylor. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.19:03
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic.19:03
mtaylorwho wants to talk about CI?19:03
jeblairshould we start by resuming the conversation sdague started?19:04
mtaylorwell - first of all - let me introduce Shrews19:04
mtaylorwho has joined the HP team working on this stuff19:04
Shrewshi all19:04
jeblairhi Shrews19:04
LinuxJedihey Shrews19:04
sdaguehey Shrews19:05
mtaylorShrews worked with LinuxJedi and I on Drizzle back in the day, and with us at MySQL before that19:05
mtaylorok. that's enough of that19:05
LinuxJediwell, I replace Shrews at MySQL ;)19:05
mtaylorsdague: so - about testing mysql stuff19:05
sdaguesure, I was looking into adding a unit test to nova to test whether we were forcing all the tables to innodb19:06
sdagueand then I realized that the nova unit tests aren't really set up to run mysql in default configuration19:06
sdagueso I have the following suggestion, based on something I did in a previous project with multiple databases that it supported19:07
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mtayloryour idea of trying and then skipping if mysql isn't present isn't terrible, but I'm a little concerned that it's a decent amount of work to make sure that the jenkins builders provide an environment in which those tests run19:08
sdaguesetup the unit tests so they try to run mysql (and later postgresql) tests, but only if they find a specific database / user / password combo19:08
sdaguelike openstack_novaunittests for all 319:08
sdaguemtaylor: over how many machines to the builders run?19:09
sdaguedo the builders run19:09
LinuxJedimtaylor: something we can get puppet to configure?19:10
jeblairit's undefined; they're cloud servers, and we add and remove them as needed19:10
jeblairso yeah, we'd have to add the database install to our puppet configuration for them.19:11
jeblairwe'd also need to make sure things are re-set appropriately after test runs19:11
jeblairsince, at the moment, unit tests are run on somewhat long-lived hosts.19:11
jeblair(though someday they will probably be run on single-use cloud servers)19:11
sdaguejeblair: at least in the test_migration piece I was in, it resets during the setup phase19:12
sdagueso there might need to be work to make sure the setup / teardown for the unit tests is right19:12
sdagueto leave the db blank at the end, and blank it at the beginning just in case19:12
sdagueotherwise it's just the creation of a single mysql user with a grant. Should be pretty easy to add to puppet configs (though my puppet is a little rusty)19:13
jeblairyeah; this will probably need some buy-in from the nova core devs, since if it fails, it'll snag unrelated changes19:13
sdaguejeblair: ok, should I start an ML thread on this? kick it off that way?19:13
jeblairsdague: i'm not too worried about creating a mysql user in puppet; i wrote that yesterday.  :)19:13
sdaguejeblair: :)19:13
sdaguesee, easy as cake ;)19:14
jeblairthe other thing we should realize this would change is the principal of unit tests being easy for developers to run in the virtualenv19:15
jeblairand maybe it's worth it and it's time to branch out from that.  just noting that as a change.  :)19:15
sdaguejeblair: not really, because if the right database isn't found, it just skips out19:15
mtaylorwell - potentially this would just skip the mysql tests if they weren't there - but yeah, that's a concern of mine19:15
mtaylorproblem is too - we'd be adding python-mysqldb to the pip-requires19:16
mtaylorto make that work19:16
jeblairor the test-requires19:16
sdagueyes, that would need to change19:16
mtaylorwhich means you'd have to have a working libmysqlclient on the machine19:16
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mtaylorbecause the virtualenv build is going to have to be able to build python-mysqldb19:16
mtaylornot saying no - just saying it does raise the number of things required to be a  devs box19:17
mtaylornow they have to have mysql libs even if they're not doing anthing with mysql19:17
jeblairshould this sort of test be in tempest?19:17
mtaylorcan't really be in tempest19:17
mtaylortempest only does black-box api level testing19:17
mtaylorand although we could add an exercise.sh script in devstack to look at the db19:18
mtaylorthat's not going to run through all of the db migrations19:18
mtaylorso this is REALLY about testing that the db migration code works across mutliple database backends19:18
jeblairit does seem to fit into the unit test space fairly well.19:18
mtaylorsince testing that the service _works_ across multiple backends could be done by configuring devstack to use different databases19:18
mtayloryeah. it's just ugly :)19:18
sdagueI guess if with think that having mysql libs is too high a bar, can we add a "--livedb" or some other flag to run_tests.sh that adds things to the venv?19:19
mtaylorsdague: I want to make run_tests.sh go away19:19
mtaylorsdague: but19:19
* LinuxJedi wonders why there is no native Python client library (ie. not dependant on libmysqlclient)19:19
mtaylorLinuxJedi: actually - good point, there is19:19
LinuxJediisn't that what Geert does now?19:20
LinuxJediit would get rid of a few headaches at least anyway19:20
jeblairassuming it works with sqlalchemy19:20
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mtaylorit does19:20
mtaylorbut it's not on pypi19:20
LinuxJedijeblair: we'll make it work! ;)19:20
jeblairanyone remember what it's called?19:21
sdagueLinuxJedi: though we'd also want to solve it for postgresql as well19:21
jeblairthat's true19:21
ShrewsMySQL Connector/Python19:21
mtaylorwe could add tox targets, but that's ugly19:21
LinuxJedijeblair: https://launchpad.net/myconnpy19:22
mtaylorI was wrong19:22
Shrewsmtaylor: http://geert.vanderkelen.org/post/825/19:22
mtaylorthanks Shrews19:22
jeblairpy-postgresql is pure python, but only python 3.0+.  we'll have to move openstack to python3.19:22
mtaylorjeblair: hahaha. yeah.19:22
LinuxJedijeblair: mtaylor, Shrews and I have all worked with Geert so if it is broke we can kick him ;)19:22
mtaylorso - let's take this one bit at a time ...19:24
jeblairmtaylor: we could have a third -requires file; optional-test-requires19:24
jeblairor test-optionals.  :)19:24
mtaylorif we get something working with mysql-connector that skips tests if mysql isn't there and works consistently19:25
mtaylorwe'll at least be _somewhere_19:25
sdaguemtaylor: agreed19:25
jeblairyes, good first step19:25
sdagueI'm happy to go tackle that19:25
mtaylorsdague: if you get that working locally, and then send us info on what the needs are in terms of having the right mysql resource on the box, we can work on getting an available mysql laying around19:26
sdaguesure will do19:26
jeblairi can do the puppet config for that19:26
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jeblairi'll wait for sdague to send me specs19:27
* LinuxJedi smokes a cigar and says "I love it when a plan comes together"19:27
sdagueas I start to get something you want to see things go through gerrit, or start with something like a github branch ?19:27
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mtaylorwell, if you get jeblair the db specs, we can add those to the slaves before the other code is ready19:28
mtaylorand at that point, it can just go through gerrit as normal19:28
mtaylorone thing though19:28
mtaylorhow do we test that the "skip if it isn't there" works and continue to work?19:28
mtaylorbecause if all of a sudden local tests start failing for people but work on a special jenkins node, that sucks too19:29
mtaylorjeblair: it's starting to feel like we just picked up another matrix dimension19:29
jeblair_if_ we want to test that, we could have another job without the credentials.19:30
jeblairwe could also assume it will keep working and that developers will yell and fix it if it breaks locally.19:30
LinuxJedimtaylor: wouldn't the standard python tests test that?19:30
sdagueactually you don't even need another job19:30
jeblairLinuxJedi: i've been operating under the assumption that this would happen in the standard python tests19:30
mtaylorsdague: no?19:31
LinuxJedijeblair: ah, ok.  I thought we were just talking Devstack, sorry :)19:31
sdaguejust force a bad pass and test the skip function itself19:31
mtaylorsdague: ah, that makes sense - and then assume that skipping tests itself is a feature of nose that we don't have to test19:31
sdagueI'm going to encapsulate the "skip_mysql" to a function, so that can be tested to return correctly independent of actually mysql tests19:31
mtaylorgreat. ok. I'm on board with that - I don't want to start blowing out crazy matrix combinations until jclouds-plugin is actually live and doing caching :)19:32
jeblaircool, so to be clear19:32
jeblairthis will all happen in one run of the unit tests, and there will be a unit test that checks that skipping tests works correctly?19:33
jeblair(even in an environment where they won't actually be skipped?)19:33
sdagueok, now I just have to go and implement it all :)19:34
mtaylorjeblair: what we really need is the ability to override and/or inject deps into a tox run19:34
jeblairsdague: can you file a bug about this on launchpad in the openstack-ci project?19:34
sdaguejeblair: yes, will do19:34
mtaylorjeblair: which would allow us to remove the jenkins* stanzas, and would also allow a mechanism to have tox --also-require=pypostgres be something a dev could run locally if they wanted to19:35
mtaylorjeblair: we could make shrews fix tox for us...19:35
jeblairmtaylor: yes; as silly as it is, having a third -requires file still might be a good idea to keep track of such optional test dependencies19:35
sdaguejeblair: in the openstack project under OpenStack Core Infrastructure, or somewhere else?19:35
jeblairmtaylor: then tox --also-requires=tools/optional-test-requires19:37
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mtaylorjeblair: yeah19:37
mtaylorjeblair: and that way we could do our .cache.bundle thing in a way that doesn't have to be encoded into the tox.ini file itself19:38
jeblairsounds great19:39
jeblairsdague: assuming we knock out mysql as a first step, are you interested in working on similar postgres tests later on?19:40
sdaguejeblair: probably. Honestly, if I do this right, it should just be a matter of a slightly different skip function to make it work, and the right requires19:42
sdaguelet me get over bridge one first though :)19:42
mtaylorjeblair: speaking of test-requires ... should we take the apts files from devstack and put them into the projects themselves? so that it's documented somewhere?19:44
mtaylorjeblair: or have I lost my mind?19:45
jeblairi think that sounds fine, but it also sounds like a great think to talk about with jesse next week19:46
mtaylorjeblair: ++19:46
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mtaylorokie. anybody else got anything else?19:48
mtaylorLinuxJedi, jeblair anything you particularly want to share with the fine folks at home?19:48
jeblairi'm hoping we'll be able to move to a new gerrit server and upgrade to gerrit 2.3 this week19:48
mtaylorthat's the best news I've heard in a long time19:48
* LinuxJedi has been off most of the last week. But done a bit of work on Jenkins Jobs. Plus there is a fix for the Gerrit theme19:49
LinuxJediwhich means we can delete stuff again ;)19:49
jeblairi'm testing it now; found some surprises, but so far no showstoppers.19:49
mtaylorLinuxJedi: did you get what you needed in terms of those reverted patches?19:49
jeblairi used the force to find the delete button19:49
LinuxJedimtaylor: I still can't find the email so I'm just going to start over :)19:49
LinuxJedijeblair: well that one-liner that is pending will reveal them all again19:50
LinuxJedithat's the one19:51
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mtaylork. I approved it. I'll let jeblair cast the final vote19:53
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jeblairi'll do that as soon as i revert my hosts file.  :)19:55
mtaylorok. I thnk that's a full tuesday!19:55
mtaylorthanks everybody19:55
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jk0no PPB I take it?20:13
* heckj wonders if we'll ever have one. Hasn't been one since the elections20:15
bcwaldonmaybe the PPB doesnt actually exist...20:15
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danwentheckj: wondering the same thing :)  I believe jonathan sends out an email ahead of time if there is going to be a PPB meeting.20:18
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pvothere was one with a bit of an agenda I thought...20:34
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ttxheckj, danwent: you did receive the recent emails to the list, right ?20:45
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danwentttx: a ppb list?  I don't think so20:45
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heckjttx: yeah - reading sounded like a lazy consensus on a meeting, which is why I was surprised20:46
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* ttx checks group membership20:50
ttxdanwent: you might need to subscribe to the ML at: https://launchpad.net/~openstack-poc20:50
ttxnot sure it's done automatically20:51
bcwaldonttx: I was added automagically20:51
danwentttx: ok, i was apparently not on the email list, but am now20:51
ttxarchive @ https://lists.launchpad.net/openstack-poc/20:52
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ttxheckj, notmyname, bcwaldon, vishy, devcamcar, danwent: still around ?20:59
notmynamealways :-)20:59
ttxjaypipes, comstud, soren, john-griffith, lloydde, annegentle: around ?20:59
bcwaldonttx: yep20:59
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ttxjgriffith: ^21:00
ttxok then, let's get started21:00
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openstackMeeting started Tue Apr 10 21:00:44 2012 UTC.  The chair is ttx. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.21:00
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ttxToday's agenda: http://wiki.openstack.org/Meetings/ProjectMeeting21:00
sorenttx: o/21:00
ttx#info We will (ab)use the meeting to discuss Design Summit content21:01
ttx#info But first do a quick roundtable on Essex post-release status, for those projects that released last Thursday21:01
ttx#topic 2012.1 post-release status21:01
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ttxheckj: How is Essex Keystone looking, a few days after the storm ?21:01
heckjPretty darn good!21:01
ttxNo bug needing an urgent backport ?21:02
annegentlettx: o/21:02
heckjWe have a couple new bugs-that-are-really-feature requests in now21:02
ttxheckj: cool21:02
ttxbcwaldon: Glance still looks good ?21:02
bcwaldonttx: hardcore21:02
heckjNothing that's killing us. One that is currently incomplete that we'll triage on, but initial reports are all pretty good21:02
ttxvishy: How is Nova Essex looking, now that a few days have passed ?21:02
vishyttx: pretty good.21:03
vishythere have been some backports already21:03
vishya few of the extensions were discovered to be broken when we started writing docs21:03
ttxThere are 6 bugs nominated for Essex backport already:21:03
ttx#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/essex21:03
vishyand canonical has a couple of issues with migrations and deprecated auth21:03
markmcvishy, any thoughts on how soon you'd like use to do 2012.1.1 for nova ?21:04
vishymarkmc: no unsure21:04
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ttxvishy: would be good to docuemnt broken extensions in the release notes, if not done already21:04
vishymarkmc: i would give it a few weeks though21:04
markmcvishy, ok, cool21:04
vishyttx: unfortunately21:04
vishyttx: gerrit is not updating properly21:04
vishyttx: the essex targetted bugs21:05
vishyfor example the first one has been merged already21:05
ttxoh. I'll have to look into it. I wrote that trigger.21:05
ttx#action ttx to look at the stable/essex bugclosing trigger logic (see bug 974293)21:06
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 974293 in nova/essex "Instances directory gets deleted during unit test suite run" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/97429321:06
ttxvishy: anything else that need our urgent attention ?21:06
vishyi don't think so21:06
ttxdevcamcar: is horizon still clear ?21:06
ttx(cue laughter)21:06
ttxEveryone: any remark on the release process ? Things we should fix next time ?21:07
devcamcar_yes things are looking great21:07
annegentlevishy: how can we know which extensions are borked?21:07
gabrielhurleyif horizon does end up making a 2012.1.1 I'd nominate bug 973836 for backport, but it's not serious enough to trigger one on its own by any means.21:07
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 973836 in horizon "ImportError handling in override mechanism is broken" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/97383621:07
devcamcar_we have couple of minor items that we are considering for back port21:08
ttxgabrielhurley: fix should be backported to stable/essex in all cases21:08
gabrielhurleyttx: k21:08
devcamcar_I'm using the tag essex-backport-potential for triage21:08
ttxthe 2012.1.1 drop is more a matter of saying "you should really not be using the release tarball anymore"21:09
vishyannegentle: there are two so far os-hosts and os-networks21:09
vishywe can backport the fixes21:09
devcamcar_all in all the feedback has been positive21:09
vishyannegentle: but they are broken in the official essex release21:09
annegentlevishy: ok, I'll update the release notes21:09
vishyannegentle: thanks21:09
ttxAnything else before we move to design summit tracks ?21:10
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ttx#action annegentle to update release notes to account for broken extensions21:10
ttxvishy: those are extensions that are not tested by any of our tests ?21:10
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vishyttx: they are not tested by any integration tests21:11
vishyttx: the fakes work fine :|21:12
ttxjaypipes: ^ sounds like an area where we'd like converage :/21:12
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ttxok, let's switch to design summit now21:13
ttx#topic Design summit tracks content21:13
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ttxAre you all OK to close the session proposals now ?21:13
devcamcarttx: horizon is looking good21:13
ttxLate proposals should just get an unconference slot. There will be plenty available.21:13
jgriffithttx: Yes, I believe so for Volume21:13
vishyttx: I noticed one hole in the nova props21:13
ttxvishy: which ?21:13
vishyttx: it recently got mentioned on the list21:14
vishyttx: metadata, we have two related sessions21:14
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vishyttx: but we don't have one specifically covering metadata communication channel21:14
ttxvishy: if you need a new one filed, could you do it in the next 5 min ?21:15
vishyttx: perhaps we can squeeze it into the config drive session and extend21:15
heckjttx: keystone is already full to the top21:15
ttxwe'll discuss it when we arrive in Nova sessions21:15
ttx#topic Common development track21:16
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ttxTrack is complete. I could easily have filled twice the time though...21:16
ttxI expect quite a few of those discussions to trigger unconference follow-ups.21:16
ttx#topic Swift track21:16
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ttxnotmyname: yo21:16
ttxTrack looks good to me.21:16
notmynameit's filled, but as yet unscheduled21:16
ttxnotmyname: do you want me to handle initial scheduling ?21:16
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notmynameh wait21:17
notmynameI want to do the initial schedulng21:17
ttxok :)21:17
ttxok, just ping me if my superb UI is confusing21:17
heckjttx: happy to do initial scheduling, but need some "how do you do it…" instructions21:17
notmynameheh, ok21:17
ttxyou can tell why I didn't contribute to Horizon yet21:18
ttx#action ttx to send instructions on scheduling21:18
ttx#topic Deployment/Ops track21:18
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notmynamesame here :-)21:18
comstudthere's a 'Scheduling' button on the track21:18
comstudthat's as far as I've gotten21:18
ttxnotmyname: I think you are almost good21:18
notmynamewe've got one session that needs fixing21:18
notmynamebut the time is allocated21:18
ttxyou also need to adjust time to make it schedulable21:19
notmynameat least one session will need to be cut to allow it to fit into the scheduling constraints21:19
notmynameprobably http://summit.openstack.org/sessions/edit/14921:19
ttxI take it you'll do the initial scheduling for that track as well ?21:19
notmynameerr http://summit.openstack.org/sessions/view/14921:19
notmynamewait, that's already 25 minutes21:20
notmynameperhaps the packaging one http://summit.openstack.org/sessions/view/2621:20
notmynamejustinsb_: ^21:20
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ttxnotmyname: yes, you can place it just before the break to allow easy overflow21:20
ttx#topic Nova core track21:21
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ttxvishy: yo21:21
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vishyi think that none is gtg21:21
vishy* one21:21
ttxvishy: isn't that the one that needs a slot for metadata ?21:21
vishyI'm thinking we can squeeze it into existing discussions21:22
ttx#topic Nova other track21:22
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ttxvishy: Mostly done too... I'd suggest:21:22
vishywe have config drive and guest networking, we can cover it in those21:22
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vishythe last one was recently added, it does seem useful but something has to go down to 25 min21:23
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vishythoughts on which one we could shorten?21:23
ttxyou need to get rid of 3 25-min equivalents21:23
ttxI'd push "Enhancing OpenStack for Federated OpenStack" to Ecosystem track21:24
vishyi think it got pushed from the ecosystem track21:25
sorenHeh :)21:25
ttxmagic !21:25
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ttxvishy: push it back, if Lloyd can't have it, that will be unconference21:25
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vishyactually it might have gotten pushed from common21:25
vishycool done21:26
lloyddeit was eco21:26
vishyso i guess i will accept guest agents and shorten it21:26
ttxsounds good21:26
ttxvishy: do you want me to handle initial scheduling ? If yes, any constraint ?21:26
vishyyes i will make a first pass21:27
vishythere are a few sessions from other tracks that i want to attend so i might have to coordinate21:27
ttxthere will be adjustments once the initial schedule is posted21:27
heckjttx: had a little flaw with getting schedules to line up with slots and times - sent you mail, we can resolve offline21:27
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ttx#topic Nova hypervisors track21:28
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ttxsoren: hey21:28
sorenApart from a bare metal session that needs a bit of coordination, we're in good shape.21:28
vishysoren: I pushed three baremetal talks to that track21:28
sorenThere were three sessions on that topic.21:28
vishysoren: ah ok you saww that :)21:28
sorenI talked to the proposers to try to get them to agree.21:28
soren...so that we'll only do one session.21:29
ttxyou still have one more slot proposed than you can accomodate21:29
sorenI guess I'll need to approve one of them now, so that you can lock things down?21:29
ttxI will only lock new proposals21:29
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sorenAh, cool.21:29
* soren takes a look at the list21:30
ttxsoren: you should deny your waitlist one, probably21:30
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ttxwill let you do it.21:30
sorenOh, right, it should be.21:30
ttxsoren: want me to handle initial scheduling ? If yes, any constraint ?21:30
sorenThat would be awesome.21:31
sorenNo constraints that I know of.21:31
ttx#topic Nova scaling track21:32
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ttxcomstud: o/21:32
ttxlooking good I think21:32
comstudi see you accepted my last one.. so21:32
comstudi think we're good21:32
ttxcomstud: do you want me to handle initial scheduling ? If yes, any constraint ?21:32
comstudI can take care of it.. I have a partial order in mind21:32
ttx#topic Nova volumes track21:32
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ttxjgriffith: o/21:32
jgriffithMine's pretty easy...21:33
jgriffithOnly one I was waiting on was Renuka...21:33
jgriffithDon't think I'm going to hear anything back so I'll probably just reject hers and use a new one for same topic21:33
ttxjgriffith: you should reject his and accept yours ?21:33
jgriffithttx:  :)21:33
jgriffithYep, I'll do that now21:33
ttxplease do.21:33
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ttxjgriffith: want me to handle initial scheduling ? If yes, any constraint ?21:34
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ttxIf there is time left at the end of the meeting, I'll do a quick explanation on the scheduler21:34
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jgriffithttx: Sure, no constraint assuming they still all fall on first day.  With all the other topics regarding seperation of nova componenents there might be something21:34
jgriffiththat would make more sense but shouldn't matter too much21:35
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ttx#topic Keystone track21:35
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ttxheckj: looks complete to me ?21:35
ttxyou tried scheduling already, so that's covered21:35
heckjttx: it is, but I can't shift the 30 minute item to the top slot, need your assistance to make it work21:36
heckjttx: sent email, figured we solve it offline21:36
ttxheckj: just clear the field where the 101 is21:36
ttxclick modify21:36
ttxthat should clear the slot21:36
heckjtry it yourself - didn't work. Explained in email21:36
heckjIf you want me to take the time, I can explain here21:37
ttxnah, will solve offline21:37
ttx#topic Glance track21:37
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ttxbcwaldon: o/21:37
ttxYou're slightly over-subscribed at this point. Maybe:21:38
ttxAPI extensions: the good, the bad, and the ugly -> Ecosystem ?21:38
bcwaldonIt could live several places21:38
bcwaldonI'm fine moving it away from glance21:38
ttxthere is no room anywhere...21:39
bcwaldonha, well then we'll just have to deal with it :)21:39
ttxjust move it to Ecosystem, the sessions that Lloyd will reject will end up in Unconference slots21:39
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bcwaldonttx: ok21:39
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ttxbcwaldon: will you have time to do initial scheduling yourself ?21:40
bcwaldonttx: yes sir21:40
ttxPro tip: if you have a 25-min session that is likely to be too short for a topic, place it just before a coffee break.21:41
ttx#topic Quantum/Networking track21:41
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ttxdanwent: yo21:41
danwentso i took a first crack at a schedule21:41
ttxlooks complete now21:42
danwentmain interaction with another track is that Horizon track has a session on Quantum integration that we don't want to conflict with21:42
ttxwe can fix it if we get no luck21:42
ttx#topic Horizon track21:42
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ttxdevcamcar: looks good ?21:42
ttxdevcamcar: let me know if you want me to do the initial scheduling for you.21:43
devcamcarttx: we perfectly filled our allotted time so i'm happy with where we ended up21:43
devcamcarif you could take a first pass at it that would be fantastic21:43
ttxdevcamcar: noted21:43
ttx#topic Documentation track21:44
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annegentleso I am full up, but need one 55 minute slot21:44
ttxlooks good too21:44
annegentleer. That probably doesn't sound good. What I mean is, the "scheduling" isn't letting me assign 2 slots to one proposal21:45
annegentlettx: if you can double-check me and push to Sched that would be great21:45
ttxannegentle: oh, that's because your 55min session is all over the break21:46
ttxwill ping you after21:46
ttx#topic QA track21:46
annegentlettx: ok, sounds good, or tomorrow's fine too21:46
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ttxjaypipes: hey21:46
ttxjaypipes: Looks like you should move "Nova API external testing" to Ecosystem track ?21:47
ttxThen your track looks good to me.21:47
ttxis jaypipes around ?21:47
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ttxhmm, I'mm move it for him then21:48
jaypipesttrifonov: yep21:48
jaypipesoh, crap, another user beginnng with tt :(21:48
ttxjaypipes: should I move it for you ?21:49
jaypipesttx: yes, that would be good, thanks.21:49
ttx#topic Ecosystem track21:49
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ttxlloydde: o/21:49
ttxOK, you should not have more crap landing on your track anymore :)21:49
ttxSo with all the other pushing stuff to your track it's quite oversubscribed now21:50
lloyddefantastic, 1st thing tomorrow rinse and repeat21:50
ttxYou will have to refuse a number of them and push them to the Unconference room instead.21:50
ttxnote that I've a bit of good news though21:50
lloyddeand put a page on the wiki for ppl putting hat in early for unconf21:50
ttxI suggest we use Bayview B (120) instead of Golden Gate (50) for the track21:50
ttxand use Golden gate for unconference21:50
ttxdoes that make sense ?21:50
lloyddethat sounds like a good idea, as 120 for unconf might be intimidating21:51
ttxi suspect the scheduled Ecosystem track will attract more people21:51
annegentlettx: sounds great21:51
ttxWe also have the option to use the ballroom for selected Ecosystem talks21:51
ttxif teher is anything that really stands out...21:51
lloyddesaving the ballroom for you21:51
uvirtbotlloydde: Error: "_~" is not a valid command.21:52
lloydde ^_~21:52
ttxannegentle, lloydde: do you think you could have some use for it ?21:52
lloyddenothing stands out to me, you annegentle?21:52
ttxor better have them all in Bayview B (simpler)21:52
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annegentlettx: I was wondering if some deployment topics would be large enough for the ballroom21:52
annegentlettx: I guess, the sooner we push to sched.org, the sooner we know where overflow is?21:53
ttxI'll let you look into it. As far as scheduling goes, the ballroom is manual21:53
ttxannegentle: see at the bottom of http://summit.openstack.org/sessions/trackstatus21:54
annegentlettx: ok, nice graphs21:54
ttxUnless there is something that really stands out, staying in Bayview B will be simpler21:55
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annegentlettx: I'm all for simple21:55
ttxlloydde, annegentle: anything else ?21:55
lloyddenope, I'll be frantic for your and annegentle assistance by tomorrow midday ;-)21:56
annegentle:) nope21:56
ttxWe all delegated the hard task of saying no to you -- make sure that people you reject know they can get unconference slots21:56
ttxyou could even pre-book them21:56
lloyddeyes, plan to have them filled out before date21:57
lloyddemeaning their proposal sticky gets prepopulated21:57
ttx#topic Open discussion21:57
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ttxAnything else, anyone ?21:57
ttxI guess not. Looks like we got great content. A few days left to nail the schedule.21:59
danwentyup, thanks for the new tool.  quite slick.21:59
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openstackMeeting started Tue Apr 10 22:00:19 2012 UTC.  The chair is danwent. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.22:00
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danwentok, who's here?  I know a couple people are out today22:00
danwent#info: agenda: http://wiki.openstack.org/Network/Meetings22:01
danwent#topic Quantum Essex Release22:01
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danwent#info quantum essex release is out: https://launchpad.net/quantum/essex/2012.122:01
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danwentcongrats to everyone who contributed.  Now on to Folsom as a core project :)22:02
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danwentTo my knowledge, there are no major outstanding issues with the release.22:02
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SumitNaiksatamHi All!22:02
danwentThanks to sumit for reviewing the Quantum Admin Guide22:02
danwentthose changes are in.22:03
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danwentI'm still in progress of creating a 1.1 version of the API guide.22:03
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SumitNaiksatamtough job :-)22:03
danwentAnd we still need to consider adding distro specific content to the Quantum Admin Guide (current install instructions are just based on installing using tarball or setup.py)22:03
danwentSumitNaiksatam: not so tough, but definitely boring :)22:04
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danwent#topic Distro Release Testing22:04
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mesteryDo we want distro specific instructions in the admin guide, or is that better to have in each distro's quantum install guide?22:04
danwentmestery: I think nova and others include distro speciific install instructions.22:05
GheRiverohi all22:05
annegentledistro specific is best for later fitting into the Compute Admin guide22:05
mesterydanwent: Fair enough22:05
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danwentin fact, i'd eventually like to get away from documenting the source install, once we have reliable and well tested distro packaging22:05
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mesterydanwent: That makes sense22:06
danwentOk, as far as fedora testing, my experience has been a very good one.  thanks to rkukura for his work on that22:06
GheRiveroreal stuff/deployment should be done using distro packages22:06
mesteryGheRivero: Agree 100%22:06
danwentI still haven't done a full deployment including nova, keystone, glance, etc. but I was easily able to get quantum-server and agents up and running.22:06
danwentAnyone else seen any issues with fedora packagin?22:07
danwentpackaging :)22:07
mesterydanwent: I am running on fedora with devstack, lookign to do a full install on fedora later this week22:07
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mesterywill report back with any issues, but so far so good22:07
danwentmestery: thanks.22:07
rkukuraWe are working on selinux policy now, so you may need to run permissive for now22:07
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danwentdamn, was just going to ask him to explain.  Is this b/c we use type=ethernet?22:08
cdubhmm, selinux police took out rkukura22:08
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danwentthey are known to do that.22:08
cdubdanwent: no, the type=ethernet hits a different security issue (cgroup device whitelist)22:08
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danwentcdub: ok, i was familiar with the cgroup issue.22:08
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danwent#todo: rkukrua send email to list about issues with fedora packaging and selinux22:09
cdubwill be nice to get past that one, but it's low on the list22:09
danwentOk, on the topic of Ubuntu, we had some issues in the last version I tested.22:09
danwentit wasn't until right before the meeting that I realized that the ubuntu folks apparently revved their packaging and seem to have fixed some of the issues with agents.22:10
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danwentSo its probably worth another test of ubuntu packaging22:10
danwentanyone who does that testing, please report to the ML.  I'll try to get to it soon.22:11
danwentanything else on distro testing?  GheRivero, have you tried out quantum on stackops?22:11
GheRiverothis week a new intership started, he will be working on quantum on debian22:12
danwentGheRivero: cool!22:12
GheRiveroand if everything goes properly, we (Debian, not stackops) could have a gsoc student working on quantum too22:12
danwentdouble cool22:12
danwentok, anything else on distro testing?22:13
danwent#topic Folsom Summit Sessions22:13
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danwent#info summit sessions posted here: http://summit.openstack.org/sessions/track/1522:13
danwent(i hope you all can see that link)22:13
mesterydanwent: Clicking that links gets me a "Forbidden"22:14
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somikHTTP Forbidden22:14
danwentdamn, I was afraid it was only visible to PTLs22:14
danwentok, check out: http://paste.openstack.org/show/12648/22:14
mnewbyhttp://summit.openstack.org/ works22:14
danwentthis is a first cut at the schedule for the Quantum track22:14
mnewbygot it22:14
mesterylooks like quantum is on days 2 and 3, nothing on day 1?22:15
zaitcevyeah, we're logging in via openid from launchpad at summit site, but still 40322:15
danwentthere's currently an issue that prevents me from pushing this to sched.org, but it will be there soon.22:15
danwentmestery: yes, I believe that is what ttx said.22:16
mesterycool, looks good22:16
ttxyes track review panel is tracklead-only22:16
danwentmight be nice to have some longer breaks in between sessions, but having two days solid makes the scheduling much easier, as it helps the bin-packing problem22:16
ttxshould have done a read-only view22:16
* ttx <-- lazy22:16
danwentttx: no worries, just do it for october :)22:16
ttx(the code is actually up on Launchpad :)22:17
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danwentttx: ah, that's the correct response22:17
ttxthough I should really clean it up, looks quite bad :)22:18
danwentOn the topic of the summit for Quantum, I suspect our biggest challenge as a team will be converging around APIs and back-end implementation model for IPAM + L3-forwarding + NAT + floating IPs.22:18
danwentSumit has done a good job of sending out proposals to the list22:18
danwentso the rest of us need to do a better job of starting to give feedback prior to the summit.  I22:18
danwentWe'll have two 55 minute session devoted to this, but even that won't be enough I believe unless we start getting toward a similar model prior to the summit by using the ML.22:19
danwentso now that Essex is out and the docs are almost done, we should really swing our attention to this.22:19
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danwentanything to add SumitNaiksatam, or other co-drivers for this topic?22:20
SumitNaiksatamdanwent: sounds good22:20
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SumitNaiksatamjust for the benefit of everyone, the L3 forwarding proposal has been revised, made simpler22:21
danwentok.  any other questions on the summit?  We'll also be having a session on quantum + horizon, but it will be on the Horizon track.22:21
SumitNaiksatamposted here: http://wiki.openstack.org/quantum-l322:21
danwentif you are interested in being a driver on any of the posted issues, please ping me, or one of the existing drivers.22:21
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danwentI will also be adding one more session on vif-plugging topics.  Thanks to rkukura for volunteering to squeeze his session into a small spot.22:22
danwent#topic open discussion22:23
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danwentlooking forward to seeing you all at the summit next week.  Obviously, there will be no netstack IRC meeting next week due to the summit.22:23
mesteryHoping to enjoy a few pints with everyone next week!22:23
edgarmaganasee you all soon!22:24
danwentmestery: indeed :)22:24
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danwentk, see you all later!22:24
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