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jgriffith | #startmeeting | 16:01 |
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openstack | Meeting started Wed May 30 16:01:26 2012 UTC. The chair is jgriffith. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:01 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:01 |
jgriffith | Hey everyone! | 16:01 |
jgriffith | I know I saw rnirmal DuncanT and Mandell | 16:02 |
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jgriffith | and jdurgin :) | 16:02 |
jdurgin | howdy | 16:02 |
rnirmal | hey | 16:02 |
jgriffith | how goes it? | 16:02 |
jgriffith | Alrighty, I guess we should get started... | 16:03 |
jgriffith | #topic cinder status | 16:03 |
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jgriffith | So the python-cinderclient is working pretty well against nova-v | 16:04 |
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jgriffith | dtroyer has been doing a good bit of work integrating cinder into devstack | 16:04 |
jgriffith | It's pretty close but I have two problems that I started working on yesterday... | 16:04 |
DuncanT | Hey, sorry aboput the time | 16:05 |
jgriffith | 1. cinderclient commands to CINDER fail, the issue is the project_id and context.project_id don't match | 16:05 |
jgriffith | DuncanT: No worries, just started :) | 16:05 |
jgriffith | I'm trying to figure out why the project_id isn't getting picked up... | 16:06 |
jgriffith | 2. I cheat around the project_id issue and can do a volume create against CINDER | 16:06 |
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jgriffith | The volume is created and populated in the DataBase (the Cinder database) | 16:06 |
jgriffith | but, the status never udpates... It's stuck on creating forever | 16:07 |
jgriffith | That's the next issue I'll try to figure out after item 1 | 16:07 |
jgriffith | The big thing that's still left to do is getting nova to talk to cinder :) | 16:08 |
jgriffith | I was hoping to get to this last week but didn't | 16:08 |
jgriffith | There's some more seperation to do in Nova, but also we'll need to write a client in cinder | 16:09 |
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jgriffith | My plan right now is to abstract nova/volume/api.py to point to nova/volume/cinder/cinder.py.... | 16:10 |
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jgriffith | any thoughts? | 16:10 |
DuncanT | I started with soemthing simpler than that and just created a driver.py subclass for nova | 16:10 |
DuncanT | Not perfect but didn't take long | 16:11 |
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jgriffith | DuncanT: driver ? | 16:11 |
DuncanT | api.py is the 'proper' point to do it | 16:11 |
jgriffith | DuncanT: But you're still using the nova db that way correct? | 16:11 |
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DuncanT | jgriffith: Yes, it leaves all of the nova machinery in place | 16:11 |
jgriffith | DuncanT: maybe we could leverage some of what you've done... | 16:12 |
DuncanT | jgriffith: It really isn't much but I can post it up, sure. | 16:12 |
jgriffith | DuncanT: main thing is though we want everything under nova/volume/ to point to cinder | 16:13 |
jgriffith | DuncanT: Great! Let me know if it's on github or if you want to just do a gerrit draft | 16:13 |
DuncanT | I can github it easily enoguh | 16:13 |
jgriffith | DuncanT: excellent | 16:13 |
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jgriffith | Anybody else have anything they've been working on? | 16:14 |
jgriffith | #topic open discussion | 16:16 |
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jgriffith | Any new questions/concerns folks have thought of? | 16:16 |
jdurgin | you mentioned nova is still using its own db for volumes, do you have a plan for moving away from that cleanly? | 16:17 |
jdurgin | that is, when just the volumes api is replaced | 16:18 |
jgriffith | jdurgin: Actually, I was referring to the work DuncanT did | 16:18 |
jgriffith | jdurgin: Currently I have it set up to actually use the Cinder DB | 16:18 |
jgriffith | jdurgin: But there are some bugs/issues that I haven't worked out yet | 16:18 |
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DuncanT | I made things work by a stern application of delete to anything that got in my way (like all of the auth code), and by starting at an easy point | 16:19 |
jgriffith | DuncanT: Delete with prejudice :) | 16:19 |
jgriffith | So the good thing is most of what we need is in Cinder (and a whole bunch of extra stuff) including the db | 16:20 |
jgriffith | As far as a clean removal.... the volume/api.py seems to be the best place | 16:20 |
jgriffith | There are still some direct calls into the DB in that file so that's where I cut it. | 16:20 |
jdurgin | that makes sense | 16:21 |
jgriffith | That "should" also allow us to cut out volumemanager in nova and use cinder's via the client | 16:21 |
jgriffith | So I 'think' it will be fairly clear/clean | 16:21 |
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jgriffith | The trickier things that will be left are things like attach/detach, and BFV when we get to it. | 16:22 |
DuncanT | How much of the volumes table do you expect nova to retain? None at all? | 16:22 |
jgriffith | DuncanT: So that's where attach comes in :) | 16:23 |
DuncanT | e.g. is attached state going to be maintained purely by cinder? | 16:23 |
jgriffith | DuncanT: I'd like to have anything in nova be VERY minimal, ideally nothing at all but don't know if that's realistic | 16:23 |
Mandell | My 2 cents: I think that it should be maintained completely in Cinder. | 16:24 |
DuncanT | jgriffith: Fair enough. Not got that far yet so I've no idea of the answer, just wanted to know the direction. Very minimal is fine by me | 16:24 |
jdurgin | agreed | 16:24 |
jgriffith | Yeah, I haven't spent any time on it really... just thinking while driving or out doing other things | 16:25 |
DuncanT | Mandell: There are weird edge cases, like compute host reboot, where it helps if nova has some clue | 16:25 |
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jgriffith | Mandell: I agree with you | 16:25 |
jgriffith | Mandell: The good thing is that the instance entry in the nova DB will have a volume_uuid if it's attached | 16:26 |
jdurgin | DuncanT: why can't nova query cinder about attached status in that case? | 16:26 |
jgriffith | jdurgin: DuncanT: I think that case will be handled between the instance information we have in the DB... eliminating the need for a volume table | 16:27 |
DuncanT | jdurgin: Depending on the design, it can. Can't get it straight in my head how messy it might get... trying to code it is the only real way I guess | 16:27 |
jgriffith | DuncanT: It'll be nice and clean :) | 16:27 |
jgriffith | Do we want to talk schedule? | 16:28 |
jgriffith | Ok... well, I want to talk schedule so here goes :) | 16:29 |
DuncanT | Now there's a dirty word ;-) | 16:29 |
jgriffith | #topic schedule | 16:29 |
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jgriffith | DuncanT: :) | 16:29 |
jgriffith | So F2 needs to be sort of a proving point | 16:30 |
jgriffith | We may not have "EVERYTHING" but we need to be able to display that we're making good progress. | 16:30 |
jgriffith | I was hoping to have some of this for F1 but I had some time off, and there are some learning curves here. | 16:31 |
jgriffith | Anyway... here's what I feel we HAVE to meet: | 16:31 |
DuncanT | When is F2? I haven't the calendar to hand | 16:31 |
jgriffith | DuncanT: July 5 | 16:31 |
DuncanT | ta | 16:32 |
jgriffith | F3 is Aug 16 and RC's due first week of Sept | 16:32 |
jgriffith | Ok.. so: | 16:32 |
jgriffith | We need to be able to run cinder in devstack | 16:33 |
jgriffith | This means create/delete/attach volumes using cinder | 16:33 |
jgriffith | The DB entries have to be inside cinder (not Nova) | 16:33 |
jgriffith | Anything you can currently do in nova-volume has to be doable in cinder | 16:34 |
sleepsonthefloor | jgriffith - I'd like to help with that effort | 16:34 |
jgriffith | sleepsonthefloor: That would be awesome!! | 16:34 |
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jgriffith | sleepsonthefloor: Anything inparticular that catches your interest? | 16:35 |
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jgriffith | I pointed out some of the areas that are still lacking effort above. | 16:35 |
jgriffith | After F2.... | 16:36 |
sleepsonthefloor | jgriffith - right I saw - I have to poke around more, but I'd like to help getting it to the point where stuff is basically working in devstack - so getting api commands working, and attachment | 16:36 |
jgriffith | sleepsonthefloor: excellent, so there's a reveiw in gerrit for devstack that is almost there | 16:37 |
jgriffith | it's 7042 if anybody wants to pull and check it out | 16:37 |
jgriffith | What I've been doing is s/n-vol/cinder,c-api,c-vol/ in stackrc | 16:37 |
sleepsonthefloor | jgriffith - ok cool - I'll start there | 16:38 |
jgriffith | If anybody figures out the project_id problem before me PLEASE ping me :) | 16:38 |
jgriffith | Ok, so if we're lucky we finish early and get to address some of the blueprints for new features after F2 | 16:39 |
jgriffith | Also finish some cleanup/stripping out of old nova code that's still in cinder | 16:39 |
jgriffith | Compact the database migrations all out into one file for the initial db creation | 16:39 |
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jgriffith | That's pretty much where I'm at... big things I may be missing? | 16:40 |
Mandell | Migration path for existing installations? | 16:40 |
jgriffith | Mandell: Thanks for bringing up the elephant in the room :) | 16:41 |
jgriffith | For sure that's something that will have to be figured out | 16:41 |
jgriffith | I think it would be a migration file in nova | 16:42 |
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jgriffith | TBH I'm kind of leaving it in the back of my mind until I get all these other pieces together | 16:42 |
Mandell | kk | 16:43 |
jgriffith | Having to keep it in mind going forward though because we're going to have to do it and don't want to make it impossible | 16:43 |
jgriffith | Mandell: So I think we could do a DB migration from nova to cinder the same way we kinda do today. | 16:43 |
jgriffith | Mandell: I also plan to pick dwent's brain a bit and see how quantum goes about it | 16:44 |
Mandell | Good idea. Sounds like you've got it covered. | 16:44 |
* jgriffith frightened grin | 16:45 | |
jgriffith | Ok... I guess that sums it up for this week. | 16:45 |
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jgriffith | If anybody has some cycles and wants to work on something/help with what I'm working on just hollar! | 16:46 |
jgriffith | Oh... | 16:46 |
Mandell | Oh: jgriffith: If you could send out the reminder somewhat sooner (it arrived in my inbox at 16:15 UTC :) ) | 16:46 |
jgriffith | Mandell: Yes, I'm very sorry about that!! | 16:47 |
jgriffith | I inteneded to send it out yesterday and realized just before the meeting that I never sent it. | 16:47 |
jgriffith | I'll do better next week :) | 16:47 |
jgriffith | Also, if anybody decides to try out the devstack version with cinder... | 16:48 |
jgriffith | What I'm doing for now is just hacking the cinder/api/openstack/wsgi.py file: | 16:49 |
jgriffith | At line 839 just add 'project_id = context.project_id' | 16:49 |
jgriffith | Hopefully today I'll get to this and find the problem | 16:50 |
jgriffith | Ok... anything else? | 16:50 |
jgriffith | Alright, feel free to grab me on irc if you think of anything | 16:51 |
jgriffith | Otherwise, until next week :) | 16:51 |
DuncanT | Cheers | 16:51 |
jgriffith | #endmeeting | 16:51 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Wed May 30 16:51:18 2012 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:51 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack-meeting/2012/openstack-meeting.2012-05-30-16.01.html | 16:51 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack-meeting/2012/openstack-meeting.2012-05-30-16.01.txt | 16:51 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack-meeting/2012/openstack-meeting.2012-05-30-16.01.log.html | 16:51 |
jgriffith | Thanks everyone!!! | 16:51 |
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