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| jgriffith | Looks like a few folks are here ready to go :) | 16:00 |
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| jgriffith | #startmeeting | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Aug 1 16:00:47 2012 UTC. The chair is jgriffith. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| jgriffith | Hey everyone | 16:01 |
| chalupaul | hi there | 16:01 |
| DuncanT | Hi | 16:01 |
| winston-d | hi | 16:01 |
| thingee | o/ | 16:01 |
| cian_ | Hi | 16:01 |
| jgriffith | Ok... so the first item on the agenda was last weeks action items | 16:01 |
| fergal | hi | 16:01 |
| jgriffith | We didn't have any, so that's pretty easy :) | 16:01 |
| chalupaul | lol | 16:01 |
| thingee | ship it | 16:02 |
| jgriffith | :) | 16:02 |
| creiht | lol | 16:02 |
| jgriffith | So.... | 16:02 |
| jgriffith | #topic status | 16:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "status" | 16:02 | |
| jgriffith | Lots of activity the past week as you've all probably noticed | 16:02 |
| dtynan | hello | 16:02 |
| jgriffith | Mostly bug finding/fixing | 16:02 |
| jgriffith | dtynan: Hey there | 16:02 |
| rturk | Hi | 16:03 |
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| clayg | ohai | 16:03 |
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| jgriffith | We've got most of the ones that creiht found handled | 16:03 |
| jgriffith | :) | 16:03 |
| jgriffith | Most of the critical ones are in process and should land in the next couple of days | 16:04 |
| creiht | hah | 16:04 |
| jgriffith | creiht: I'll expect to see more bugs in the coming days :) | 16:04 |
| creiht | indeed | 16:04 |
| jgriffith | I'd like to go through and do some triage on the list at some point as a team rather than do it arbitrarily myself | 16:05 |
| chalupaul | good idea | 16:05 |
| jgriffith | Folks up for doing that now? | 16:05 |
| DuncanT | Sure | 16:05 |
| winston-d | ok | 16:06 |
| jgriffith | excellent | 16:06 |
| cian_ | yup | 16:06 |
| dtynan | ok | 16:06 |
| jgriffith | #topic bugs | 16:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "bugs" | 16:06 | |
| jgriffith | https://bugs.launchpad.net/cinder | 16:06 |
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| jgriffith | So in terms of ones that don't have fixes committed... | 16:07 |
| jgriffith | #1008866 | 16:07 |
| jgriffith | Good progress is being made on that one and I think it will land today or tomorrow | 16:07 |
| jgriffith | Unfortunately unit tests are failing so that will need to be addressed | 16:08 |
| jgriffith | Rongze are you around? | 16:08 |
| winston-d | i guess not | 16:09 |
| jgriffith | hehe... sorry, had a phone call | 16:10 |
| jgriffith | Ok | 16:10 |
| jgriffith | Quotas management 1023311 | 16:10 |
| jgriffith | I haven't worked on this for a bit | 16:10 |
| jgriffith | It's closer but still not gettting the extension loaded for some reason | 16:10 |
| jgriffith | I'll be tied up trying to get some migration stuff figured out for the next few days so won't get back to this | 16:11 |
| jgriffith | The code is still in my repo https://github.com/j-griffith/cinder and j-griffit/python-cinderclient | 16:11 |
| jgriffith | If anybody is bored and what's to take a shot at finishing it up :) | 16:11 |
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| jgriffith | 944383 and 970409 | 16:12 |
| jgriffith | Anybody working on these? | 16:12 |
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| jgriffith | How about this... | 16:13 |
| jgriffith | Anybody want to sign up to work on recover/cleanup volume in attaching state? | 16:13 |
| jgriffith | That will be a nova and cinder fix | 16:13 |
| jgriffith | Ok, we'll let it sit for a bit | 16:14 |
| jgriffith | The second one is the allow backends to delete volumes with snapshots | 16:14 |
| jgriffith | There was a lot of interest from this group in having that | 16:14 |
| jgriffith | Anybody planning to work it? | 16:14 |
| jgriffith | Hmmm... | 16:15 |
| winston-d | I can do 944383 after i finish az work, maybe next week. | 16:15 |
| jgriffith | winston-d: thanks | 16:15 |
| DuncanT | We were looking at snapshots | 16:15 |
| jgriffith | winston-d: If you would assign yourself to the bug in launchpad that would be great! | 16:15 |
| DuncanT | Not sure of the status ATM | 16:15 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: Same on your side, if you want to assign an owner that would help alot | 16:15 |
| winston-d | jgriffith, sure. | 16:15 |
| jgriffith | We can always defer/close them if need be, but right now we have a bunch of stuff with no owner :) | 16:16 |
| DuncanT | Bug #1004328 - Known old KVM issue, I don't expect we'll be fixing it in any near timescale | 16:17 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1004328 in nova "mountpoint doesn't work when a volume is attached to an instance" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1004328 | 16:17 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: Would you mind stepping through the list, I need to leave for a moment | 16:17 |
| DuncanT | Sure | 16:18 |
| DuncanT | Unless somebody is way more clever than me, 1004328 is goign to end up as 'by design' | 16:18 |
| DuncanT | We could look at taking the device name out of the API maybe? | 16:19 |
| DuncanT | Thoughts? | 16:19 |
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| DuncanT | 1004382 - Stuck to attached when a volume is detached from an instance | 16:20 |
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| DuncanT | Basically saying that there is no detaching state to match attaching | 16:20 |
| cian_ | taking the device name out seems like best option till we can fix kvm | 16:20 |
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| DuncanT | Seems like a reasonable state to add if somebody has time to fix | 16:20 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: I'm for taking it out, unless vish or somebody else has a solution | 16:21 |
| creiht | yeah, I've been wanting a deatching state for a while | 16:21 |
| creiht | it would help a lot of issues | 16:21 |
| DuncanT | Making it optional is back-compatable I think? | 16:21 |
| cian_ | we'll have to generate the device name and pass to libvirt | 16:22 |
| jgriffith | Ok, I changed it t Confirmed/Medium for now | 16:22 |
| jgriffith | In Cinder | 16:22 |
| cian_ | as you have to supply a device name to libvirt when doing attach | 16:22 |
| DuncanT | creiht: Are you vollenteering for the detaching state? ;-) | 16:23 |
| creiht | I have no time to work on it right now sorry :/ | 16:23 |
| jgriffith | So back to #1004328 | 16:24 |
| jgriffith | I think the answer is we leave it as is and push to a fix in libvirt | 16:24 |
| jgriffith | That way if it is ever fixed in libvirt we have the capability | 16:24 |
| jgriffith | We just need to document it somewhere really well that it doesn't *work* and why | 16:25 |
| jgriffith | Agreed? | 16:25 |
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| winston-d | yes | 16:25 |
| chalupaul | I agree | 16:25 |
| DuncanT | Seems reasonable, though making the field optional in the API also seems like a good idea | 16:26 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: thoughts? | 16:26 |
| DuncanT | It is meaningless so why require it... | 16:26 |
| jgriffith | Ok, I can live with optional | 16:26 |
| jgriffith | That seems like a good compromise | 16:26 |
| jgriffith | Only question is does the choice of default matter? | 16:26 |
| DuncanT | Not sure how xen et al will cope with the optional though | 16:26 |
| DuncanT | Ping Renuka I guess? | 16:27 |
| jgriffith | renuka: around? | 16:27 |
| renuka | I am here | 16:27 |
| jgriffith | Any thoughts on making the mount point optional on the attach call? | 16:27 |
| jgriffith | ie how it might impact xen? | 16:27 |
| Vincent_Hou | I guess I raised this bug. | 16:27 |
| creiht | oh | 16:27 |
| renuka | I think we could generate one ourselves | 16:28 |
| creiht | I don't think that will work for xen | 16:28 |
| creiht | but dunno | 16:28 |
| renuka | we basically convert it to a device number underneath | 16:28 |
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| creiht | gotta run.... sorry | 16:28 |
| jgriffith | renuka: So do you *care* what it is? | 16:28 |
| jgriffith | creiht: cya | 16:29 |
| renuka | i probably dont | 16:29 |
| renuka | but by *what* do you mean we will have the same defaults across? | 16:29 |
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| renuka | or do you mean we let the virt layer find the next available mount point | 16:30 |
| renuka | cos a default will not work for attaching 2 volumes, say | 16:30 |
| jgriffith | So something like: attach_volume(xxxxx, mount_point='/dev/none') | 16:30 |
| DuncanT | I think we mean 'let the virt layer find an available mount point' | 16:30 |
| chalupaul | I would assume the virt layer should find next available if its unspecified | 16:30 |
| jgriffith | renuka: Yeah, that would be the problem | 16:30 |
| jgriffith | chalupaul: good point, that's what it's actually doing anyway | 16:31 |
| jgriffith | Trouble here is now this is a *nova/compute* change, not a cinder change | 16:31 |
| DuncanT | Shall we pencil in making it optional as the proposed solution then get as many hypervisors as possible to test? | 16:31 |
| chalupaul | hm | 16:31 |
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| jgriffith | DuncanT: I'm good with that but we'll need to provide some details on how this works as renuka's question pointed out | 16:32 |
| DuncanT | Yup, it looks like a suck it and see bug... | 16:32 |
| renuka | what is the problem with fixing this directly in libvirt? | 16:32 |
| jgriffith | So we'd actually leave it as a None in the api call as default and let the virt layer decide what to do if it's None | 16:33 |
| DuncanT | jgriffith: I'd suggest so, yes | 16:33 |
| chalupaul | that's the way i'd like to see it, and make it optional in the api. | 16:33 |
| DuncanT | jgriffith: Might require libvirt patches | 16:33 |
| DuncanT | I'll update the bug with this proposal if you want? | 16:34 |
| renuka | jgriffith: it will still be a libvirt bug, right? I mean what if the user does specify the mountpoint | 16:34 |
| creiht | so I'm not gone yet, from the xen side, it is nice from the api to know what nodes are mounted where | 16:34 |
| creiht | perhaps kvm could be patched to update the actual mount point if it uses a different one? | 16:34 |
| DuncanT | kvm has no way of getting at that information | 16:34 |
| creiht | ahh | 16:35 |
| creiht | the other odd one in the case is windows instances | 16:35 |
| DuncanT | renuka: I guess we just document that specifying the mount point is broken on kvm but works on xen (and maybe others)? | 16:35 |
| renuka | DuncanT: in that case, we dont need an API change at all, if we are documenting | 16:35 |
| DuncanT | renuka: We can still make it optional - many people will do probe by label or uuid anyway I guess, whatever the hypervisor | 16:36 |
| chalupaul | heh good point | 16:36 |
| renuka | DuncanT: sure, that change is good to have. Just saying it doesnt fix the bug | 16:36 |
| DuncanT | Ok, looks like we have a vague agreement, I'll update the bug and see how libvirt reacts to 'none'... | 16:37 |
| DuncanT | We have a reasonable explaination of the kvm behaviour that I can propose for the docs too | 16:38 |
| annegentle | DuncanT: will look for the doc patch | 16:38 |
| renuka | Is it possible to hack around it? Like attach a dummy at the in between points | 16:38 |
| jdurgin | if you look at the libvirt docs, they explicitly state that it's a hint, not necessarily the target used | 16:39 |
| jdurgin | http://libvirt.org/formatdomain.html#elementsDisks | 16:39 |
| DuncanT | From a kvm point of view, it must be unique but can otherwise be anything you like | 16:39 |
| renuka | DuncanT: was that in response to what I asked? | 16:41 |
| jgriffith | Ok, I'm leaning towards deferring it | 16:41 |
| jgriffith | Noting it's a libvirt issue and leaving it at that | 16:42 |
| creiht | though if you make it optional, would it force an api version bump? | 16:42 |
| jgriffith | creiht: optional shouldn't in my opinion | 16:42 |
| DuncanT | Not sure... it is fully back compatable | 16:42 |
| renuka | jgriffith: So we are sure we cant hack around it then? | 16:42 |
| DuncanT | renuka: That was at jdurgin | 16:42 |
| creiht | jgriffith: yeah same as my opinion, but the ppb was just voting on api versioning stuff yesterday right? | 16:43 |
| jgriffith | I think we can but I wonder if it's the *right* thing to do at this point | 16:43 |
| renuka | DuncanT: no wonder I couldn't make sense of it :P Anyway, what do people think about putting a dummy device in the in-between mountpoints | 16:43 |
| DuncanT | renuka: Not sure what you mean? | 16:43 |
| renuka | i guess the question is can we | 16:43 |
| chalupaul | i feel like if we tried to hack around it, we'd just be unhappy with the results | 16:44 |
| DuncanT | What do you mean by a dummy device? | 16:44 |
| jdurgin | no, because we can't guarantee that it gets put in-between | 16:44 |
| renuka | DuncanT: That way, the next mountpoint will be the one requested | 16:44 |
| jgriffith | creiht: Yeah, we might get hammered on that | 16:44 |
| renuka | jdurgin: Doesn't it take consecutive ones? | 16:44 |
| jdurgin | not necessarily | 16:44 |
| jgriffith | creiht: My view on it however is that the signature can be used exactly the same | 16:45 |
| jdurgin | the guest can do anything it likes with it's block devices | 16:45 |
| DuncanT | None-kvm guests usually get told what the hypervisor hinted at... kvm guests don't | 16:46 |
| creiht | yeah I agree, I'm just pointing out that it would be worthwhile to check to make sure | 16:46 |
| jdurgin | you can't assume the guest will respect the hint though | 16:46 |
| creiht | the other wonky thing with the device for attach is that for windows instances the device means nothing but it still has to be there | 16:46 |
| renuka | jdurgin: surely it is following some logic, not picking an arbitrary mount point (here, it seems like consecutive). Have you seen it do otherwise? | 16:46 |
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| DuncanT | There is a windows-style device ID you can use rather than /dev/[sv]d* | 16:47 |
| jgriffith | Ok, here's my prop | 16:49 |
| jgriffith | If somebody feels strongly enough about changing this they can grab it and propose a solution | 16:49 |
| jdurgin | renuka: I don't think it's worth trying to hack around the lower-level api that doesn't guarantee naming - it can be done by udev if you really want guaranteed names | 16:49 |
| jgriffith | Otherwise I say it's out of scope for F3 | 16:49 |
| DuncanT | jgriffith: Fair | 16:49 |
| jgriffith | We have bigger fish to fry as they say :) | 16:50 |
| renuka | makes sense | 16:50 |
| jgriffith | I don't like the behavior but I don't know that it warrants all of the time and effort to change it right now | 16:50 |
| DuncanT | It is also not a regression | 16:50 |
| chalupaul | the api always gets discussion deep into the weeds ;) | 16:51 |
| jgriffith | chalupaul: that's for sure | 16:51 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: Good point, it's not a *bug* really but an enhancement request | 16:51 |
| jgriffith | At least from cinder's perspective | 16:51 |
| DuncanT | Document the limitation, stick it on the wishlist, Next :-) | 16:51 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: That's my proposal | 16:52 |
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| DuncanT | I'll even volenteer to do the docs patch | 16:52 |
| chalupaul | lol | 16:52 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: Sold! | 16:52 |
| jgriffith | Modify the bug, assign it to you and resolve it via docs | 16:52 |
| DuncanT | Doing so now | 16:53 |
| jgriffith | Ok, I'll just quickly sumamrize some of the remaining issues incase folks want some open floor time | 16:53 |
| jgriffith | bug #1017266 | 16:54 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1017266 in cinder "Building docs fails" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1017266 | 16:54 |
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| jgriffith | There was a proposed fix for this one that failed jenkins | 16:54 |
| jgriffith | I've asked the author to resubmit with no luck | 16:54 |
| cian_ | have hit an issue with my volume usage metering blueprint | 16:54 |
| cian_ | if we have a sec | 16:54 |
| jgriffith | I'll just duplciate the work and resubmit myself | 16:54 |
| jgriffith | cian_: Yes, I'll hurry up :) | 16:54 |
| jgriffith | bug #1021605 | 16:55 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1021605 in horizon "Is cinderclient being used by horizon?" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1021605 | 16:55 |
| cian_ | the periodic task in compute/manage.py nova | 16:55 |
| jgriffith | I think this is a non-issue and should be closed | 16:55 |
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| cian_ | calls self.volume_api.get_all(context) | 16:55 |
| cian_ | passing in an admin context | 16:55 |
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| jgriffith | The big one still out there is Bug #1023755 | 16:55 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1023755 in cinder "Unable to delete the volume snapshot" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1023755 | 16:55 |
| cian_ | but an admin context doesn't have a keystone token or service catalog | 16:56 |
| cian_ | so cannot generate a python-cinderclient to talk to cinder | 16:56 |
| jgriffith | cian_: Just a sec | 16:56 |
| jgriffith | Vincent_Hou: I'd like to take another look at this one after the tgtadmin changes land | 16:57 |
| Vincent_Hou | ok | 16:57 |
| jgriffith | Vincent_Hou: I'm concerned because it sounds like you didn't see this on nova-vol? | 16:57 |
| Vincent_Hou | i see it in nova -vol | 16:57 |
| jgriffith | Oh... ok | 16:57 |
| jgriffith | better news | 16:58 |
| jgriffith | Anyway, we'll keep looking at it | 16:58 |
| Vincent_Hou | just different ubuntu versions give different results | 16:58 |
| jgriffith | Yeah | 16:58 |
| jgriffith | Ok... I'll wrap up the bug talks for now | 16:58 |
| jgriffith | #topic open discussion | 16:58 |
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| jgriffith | cian_: Ok | 16:58 |
| cian_ | so what i can see we have no way currently of talking to cinder internally in nova without going through KS | 16:58 |
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| cian_ | glance talk to swift by having a admin user created in KS | 16:59 |
| jgriffith | hrmmph | 16:59 |
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| cian_ | glance then fetch all their images from swift using this user | 17:00 |
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| jgriffith | cian_: Can you add the admin user to ks/cinder in the same manner? | 17:01 |
| cian_ | I can have a look | 17:02 |
| jgriffith | cian_: TBH I'll have to look at it later to better understand what you're seeing | 17:02 |
| jgriffith | cian_: If you want to send me some more info on exactly what you mean I can have a closer look | 17:02 |
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| jgriffith | anything else? | 17:03 |
| cian_ | jgriffith: will do | 17:03 |
| jgriffith | Ok, thanks everyone | 17:03 |
| cian_ | thx | 17:04 |
| jgriffith | Sorry I was pulled back and forth out of the meeting today | 17:04 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: Thanks for covering for me | 17:04 |
| DuncanT | np | 17:04 |
| jgriffith | #endmeeting | 17:04 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Aug 1 17:04:25 2012 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:04 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack-meeting/2012/openstack-meeting.2012-08-01-16.00.html | 17:04 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack-meeting/2012/openstack-meeting.2012-08-01-16.00.txt | 17:04 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack-meeting/2012/openstack-meeting.2012-08-01-16.00.log.html | 17:04 |
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