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| primeministerp | AndrewWeiss: Andrew you made it | 14:54 |
| AndrewWeiss | :P | 14:54 |
| primeministerp | Hyper-V meeting will start in aprox 5 min | 14:54 |
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| primeministerp | pnavarro: pedro! | 14:57 |
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| primeministerp | #startmeeting | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Aug 21 15:00:25 2012 UTC. The chair is primeministerp. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| primeministerp | Hi everyone | 15:00 |
| primeministerp | Welcome to the openstack/hyper-v discussion | 15:01 |
| primeministerp | #topic status of the code! | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "status of the code!" | 15:01 | |
| primeministerp | So we were able to get a feature freeze excemption which allowed the code to be excepted | 15:01 |
| primeministerp | many thanks to the community and nova core devs for the help in this process | 15:02 |
| primeministerp | Anyone testing the hyper-v code can now file bugs through the normal channels | 15:02 |
| primeministerp | I have updated the wiki to reflect that. | 15:03 |
| primeministerp | Also there are still some areas of documenation that need to be completed anyone wanting to help contribute to docs, please contact me directly | 15:04 |
| primeministerp | #topic CI Status | 15:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "CI Status" | 15:04 | |
| primeministerp | I'm still working to get the ci up and running, I've been plagued by hardware failures the last two weeks so hopefully i'm beyond that now | 15:05 |
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| primeministerp | I should have something in place by the end of the week | 15:05 |
| primeministerp | to hopefully begin running the smokestack tests on hyper-v | 15:06 |
| primeministerp | moving on | 15:06 |
| primeministerp | #topic Blueprints for Grizzly | 15:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Blueprints for Grizzly" | 15:06 | |
| primeministerp | We should begin thinking about key area's that need to be addressed for the Grizzly cycle | 15:06 |
| primeministerp | the two that are high priority | 15:07 |
| primeministerp | 1. Quantum | 15:07 |
| primeministerp | 2. RDP console access | 15:07 |
| primeministerp | People should be thinking about other area's that need to be addressed | 15:07 |
| primeministerp | An additonal area could possibly be porting cinder to be able to use windows iscsi targets | 15:08 |
| primeministerp | pnavarro: would that be something of interest? | 15:08 |
| AndrewWeiss | primeministerp: what are some ideas floating around for RDP access? | 15:08 |
| pnavarro | or keystone with Active Directory? | 15:08 |
| primeministerp | pnavarro: that is also a key area | 15:08 |
| primeministerp | pnavarro: however others are also currently looking into that | 15:09 |
| primeministerp | pnavarro: hopefully we can get some coordination at the summit and pool efforts | 15:09 |
| primeministerp | pnavarro: if people are already considering working on that | 15:09 |
| primeministerp | AndrewWeiss: currently there has been some investigation on using FreeRDP | 15:09 |
| AndrewWeiss | ok | 15:09 |
| pnavarro | #agreed | 15:10 |
| primeministerp | currently it is possible to connect to the vm console through hyper-v | 15:10 |
| primeministerp | we would need to work on the freerdp project to help stabilize that code | 15:10 |
| primeministerp | hopefully then create maybe a nova-rdp-proxy of sorts | 15:10 |
| primeministerp | and also allow integration into horizion | 15:11 |
| primeministerp | however that all needs to be discussed | 15:11 |
| AndrewWeiss | that would be pretty nice | 15:11 |
| primeministerp | quite honestly both that quantum are pretty big tasks | 15:11 |
| primeministerp | pnavarro: do you think you'll be able to attend the conf, if i'm unable to get some help for that on my end? | 15:12 |
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| primeministerp | pnavarro: we can discuss later if possible | 15:13 |
| pnavarro | primeministerp: holidays is not a problem I have free days, I'm going to see if I can find a flight/hotel affordable | 15:14 |
| primeministerp | pnavarro: we can talk about the hotel | 15:14 |
| primeministerp | pnavarro: i'd share a room if it comes to that | 15:14 |
| pnavarro | primeministerp: ok, we'll talk later | 15:14 |
| primeministerp | pnavarro: pnavarro however i'm still trying to secure my own trip | 15:14 |
| primeministerp | pnavarro: anyway we need to get you there | 15:15 |
| primeministerp | ok let's open the floor for discussion | 15:15 |
| primeministerp | #topic open discussion | 15:15 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open discussion" | 15:15 | |
| primeministerp | anyone have anything they would like to add/discuss | 15:15 |
| AndrewWeiss | primeministerp: anyone doing some security analyses on the hyper-v integration? | 15:16 |
| primeministerp | I know alessandro pilotti is at a conf this week | 15:16 |
| primeministerp | AndrewWeiss: good question | 15:16 |
| primeministerp | AndrewWeiss: and no | 15:16 |
| primeministerp | is the answer | 15:16 |
| primeministerp | AndrewWeiss: right now most deployments have been strictly developement driven | 15:16 |
| AndrewWeiss | that's what i assumed | 15:17 |
| primeministerp | AndrewWeiss: I know i have not implemented encryption in my setups yet | 15:17 |
| primeministerp | AndrewWeiss: however it's definately on my mind | 15:17 |
| AndrewWeiss | primeministerp: any chance I can be of help to that? | 15:17 |
| primeministerp | AndrewWeiss: it's just been a matter of cycles right now and lack of them | 15:17 |
| primeministerp | AndrewWeiss: definately | 15:17 |
| primeministerp | AndrewWeiss: ideally we need to implement it in a secure manner, then document that | 15:18 |
| primeministerp | AndrewWeiss: let's talk off line, I can definately use the hands in the lab | 15:18 |
| primeministerp | AndrewWeiss: as long as you can get the clearance and the cycles | 15:18 |
| AndrewWeiss | primeministerp: ok, that sounds great | 15:18 |
| primeministerp | AndrewWeiss: if you know what i mean | 15:18 |
| primeministerp | ;) | 15:18 |
| AndrewWeiss | haha for sure | 15:18 |
| primeministerp | AndrewWeiss: also if you want to start quick you can help w/ the documentaiton | 15:19 |
| AndrewWeiss | primeministerp: yea i was thinking that's somewhere i can start | 15:19 |
| primeministerp | AndrewWeiss: I have a good chunk done but need to finish up some key areas | 15:19 |
| primeministerp | annegentle: ping | 15:19 |
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| primeministerp | annegentle: any way to hook up AndrewWeiss with the necessary license to assist in our hyper-v documentation efforts | 15:19 |
| pnavarro | primeministerp: I have experience with Oxygen, so if you need help to transform DOC to docbook | 15:20 |
| primeministerp | pnavarro: did you see what i've started w/ | 15:20 |
| pnavarro | primeministerp: not yet, it's in github? | 15:21 |
| primeministerp | #link https://github.com/ppouliot/openstack-docs-hyper-v | 15:21 |
| primeministerp | pnavarro: that's what I have now | 15:21 |
| primeministerp | annegentle was kind enough to provide me with the original docs | 15:22 |
| primeministerp | I have them commented in that | 15:22 |
| pnavarro | ok, I'll take a look | 15:22 |
| primeministerp | I have added the outline as well as most of the installing from source | 15:22 |
| primeministerp | and tweaks | 15:22 |
| primeministerp | pnavarro: check out the other repo too | 15:23 |
| primeministerp | AndrewWeiss: you might want to check that out as well | 15:23 |
| AndrewWeiss | primeministerp: ok, will do | 15:23 |
| primeministerp | AndrewWeiss: also make sure you email annegentle regarding an oxygen license for hyper-v documentation | 15:24 |
| primeministerp | pnavarro: anything to add | 15:24 |
| AndrewWeiss | primeministerp: ok | 15:24 |
| pnavarro | primeministerp: any status about puppet stuff? | 15:25 |
| primeministerp | pnavarro: hehe | 15:25 |
| primeministerp | pnavarro: so i've been working with the puppet guys | 15:25 |
| primeministerp | pnavarro: we've hit a problem with the powershell executing | 15:25 |
| primeministerp | that I haven't figured out yet | 15:25 |
| primeministerp | if you look at that repo | 15:25 |
| primeministerp | and dig down | 15:25 |
| primeministerp | I 've cleaned out it | 15:26 |
| primeministerp | it's most of the framework | 15:26 |
| primeministerp | up until the point where we need to get the code from git | 15:26 |
| primeministerp | all the powershell for setting the tidbits for openstack features is there | 15:26 |
| primeministerp | however some need to get cleaned up and | 15:26 |
| primeministerp | what i've been testing is the add_hyper-v_feature.pp | 15:26 |
| primeministerp | once i get that to work the rest should come quick | 15:26 |
| primeministerp | if you want to help, i'll take it | 15:27 |
| primeministerp | basically i've been running the init.pp | 15:27 |
| primeministerp | which should run the one above | 15:27 |
| pnavarro | I've tried puppet, but I have more experience with Chef | 15:27 |
| primeministerp | pnavarro: well | 15:27 |
| primeministerp | pnavarro: we need to do that too | 15:28 |
| primeministerp | pnavarro: and all the commands | 15:28 |
| primeministerp | are in those puppet manifiests | 15:28 |
| pnavarro | I've seen you are in the crowbar skype group, any feedback from them? | 15:28 |
| primeministerp | pnavarro: i've been talking with them | 15:28 |
| primeministerp | however, i'm not ready for them yet | 15:28 |
| primeministerp | pnavarro: and they are working on some major enhancements to crowbar | 15:28 |
| primeministerp | pnavarro: to make it more agnostic | 15:29 |
| primeministerp | pnavarro: i've already got some chef bits pulled together | 15:29 |
| primeministerp | pnavarro: ideally we do both | 15:29 |
| primeministerp | pnavarro: more people who can get it out there the better | 15:30 |
| pnavarro | primeministerp: I've installed crowbar many times in some POC's, so I can help in the future | 15:30 |
| primeministerp | pnavarro: good to know | 15:30 |
| primeministerp | anything else? | 15:30 |
| pnavarro | not from my side | 15:31 |
| primeministerp | ok then, until next week. Keep testing everyone. File bugs please. | 15:31 |
| primeministerp | #endmeeting | 15:31 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack meeting channel. See http://wiki.openstack.org/Meetings for schedule and http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack-meeting/ for meeting logs" | 15:31 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Aug 21 15:31:48 2012 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:31 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack-meeting/2012/openstack-meeting.2012-08-21-15.00.html | 15:31 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack-meeting/2012/openstack-meeting.2012-08-21-15.00.txt | 15:31 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack-meeting/2012/openstack-meeting.2012-08-21-15.00.log.html | 15:31 |
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| alexpilotti | Hi guys | 15:49 |
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| ayoung | Keystone! | 17:58 |
| ayoung | dolphm, no heckj today? | 17:59 |
| dolphm | ayoung: haven't seen him today | 17:59 |
| dolphm | ayoung: he responded to a bug ~2 hours ago though, it looks like | 18:00 |
| ayoung | no gyee | 18:00 |
| ayoung | dolphm, anyone else besides mnewby that we should call in? | 18:01 |
| dolphm | ayoung: no one specific, afaik | 18:01 |
| ayoung | People just don't understand how sexy Keystone is | 18:02 |
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| ayoung | w00t | 18:02 |
| heckj | o/ | 18:02 |
| heckj | running slow today guys, sorry | 18:02 |
| heckj | #startmeeting | 18:02 |
| ayoung | NP | 18:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Aug 21 18:02:35 2012 UTC. The chair is heckj. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:02 |
| heckj | #topic: bugs and rc | 18:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to ": bugs and rc" | 18:02 | |
| heckj | I spent some of this morning triaging bugs - have a few that I need to dig into a bit more | 18:03 |
| ayoung | heckj, anything buring? | 18:03 |
| ayoung | burning | 18:03 |
| heckj | they're been a number of bugs filed about making auth_token more standalone - primary driver to it being that folks don't want to have to install all of keystone to get the auth_token pieces | 18:03 |
| heckj | There's also a number of tracebacks and other quirks across various pieces - lots of recent bugs filed around using auth_token with swift | 18:04 |
| ayoung | heckj, does it belong in openstackcommon? | 18:04 |
| heckj | seems like that's a weak spot - maybe more so with documentation than anything else, but a weak spot none the less | 18:04 |
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| heckj | ayoung: At some point, yes - I don't think we're ready to shift it over there quite yet though. | 18:04 |
| ayoung | heckj, well, I am partially to blame. PKI pulls in some deps | 18:04 |
| heckj | It doesn't feel like that API is really stable at this point with the additions of what we're doing with the PKI token pieces, but I think we'll be able to shift that within another release | 18:05 |
| ayoung | So could we somehow generate a library for it? | 18:05 |
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| dolphm | auth_token *should* be dependent on keystoneclient | 18:05 |
| ayoung | keystone/common and keystone/middleware/auth_token | 18:06 |
| heckj | a library, or a more limited package set of some form I think - I think that would solve most of the desires there | 18:06 |
| dolphm | new home? keystoneclient.middleware.auth_token | 18:06 |
| ayoung | dolphm, isn't keystone client the CLI? | 18:06 |
| dolphm | ayoung: the CLI runs on top of a full python library | 18:06 |
| heckj | if we're going to do that, I'd rather just move it into openstack-common | 18:06 |
| dolphm | heckj: that's more intuitive | 18:07 |
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| heckj | On top of that, I think the clients need to be doing more to converge - the sort of inadvertant separation that occured over the past two release cycles is a bad place to be in | 18:07 |
| heckj | dtroyer was starting something about an "openstack" client - don't know current state, but I'd like to support that explicitly | 18:07 |
| ayoung | I'm not ready to surrender control of auth_token yet | 18:08 |
| heckj | ayoung: that's my sense as well | 18:08 |
| ayoung | I also think a CLI is a very different thing from a web integration piece | 18:08 |
| dolphm | heckj: https://launchpad.net/python-openstackclient | 18:08 |
| heckj | I think we'll also need to make some changes in auth_token when we get into supporting V3 API as well, so having it in a separate repo will be a pain point for making progress there | 18:08 |
| ayoung | auth_token is really an extensioon to HTTProtocol | 18:08 |
| ayoung | and could, in theory, be implemented in multiple languages | 18:09 |
| heckj | #link https://launchpad.net/python-openstackclient | 18:09 |
| heckj | (thanks dolphm ^^) | 18:09 |
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| dolphm | it would make sense to me that the python library be implemented in keystoneclient, and python-openstackclient uses that to implement the CLI (as the stated goal of openstackclient is a common shell across openstack) | 18:09 |
| heckj | there's also a "security" bug reported, alhtough I don't think it's really a security issue | 18:10 |
| heckj | sec for the link | 18:10 |
| dolphm | heckj: it's not | 18:10 |
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| dolphm | heckj: bout to mark it invalid | 18:10 |
| heckj | dolphm: +1 - it's a complaint that the API wasn't documented, but is intended | 18:10 |
| dolphm | heckj: it's documented, just not where the user expected | 18:11 |
| heckj | dolphm: didn't mean to throw that on your shoulders this morning - added you as subscriber so you could see it | 18:11 |
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| ayoung | why didn't https://review.openstack.org/#/c/10579/ get re smokestacked? | 18:11 |
| dolphm | heckj: no worries | 18:12 |
| heckj | ayoung: dunno there, maybe ping mtaylor or jeblair for insight?> | 18:12 |
| mtaylor | aroo? | 18:13 |
| mtaylor | heckj: we don't run smokestack | 18:13 |
| heckj | Ah - well, you're not gunna help there then :-) | 18:13 |
| heckj | mtaylor: who does? | 18:13 |
| ayoung | mtaylor, is there an equivalent to recheck for smokestack? | 18:13 |
| ayoung | for gerrit | 18:13 |
| mtaylor | ayoung: nope. we have no control over it | 18:14 |
| mtaylor | it's all dprince | 18:14 |
| heckj | thanks | 18:14 |
| heckj | we look like we're keeping up well on reviews | 18:15 |
| ayoung | heckj, dolphm so that is the only thing I think I have in my pipeline that was submitted buy someone else that should go through | 18:15 |
| heckj | which brings me to my next topic... | 18:15 |
| heckj | #topic OCF scripts | 18:15 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OCF scripts" | 18:15 | |
| dolphm | mnewby: ? | 18:15 |
| dolphm | ayoung: who's the someone else | 18:16 |
| mnewby | dolphm: hi | 18:16 |
| ayoung | apevec | 18:16 |
| * dolphm waves at mnewby -- didn't mean to summon you | 18:16 | |
| heckj | dolphm: the specific review that ayoung posted above | 18:16 |
| dolphm | agh | 18:16 |
| dolphm | ah* | 18:16 |
| ayoung | dolphm, I mean that 10579 (submitted by apevec) is something I am shepherding through | 18:16 |
| dolphm | OCF? | 18:17 |
| ayoung | the only other change I have in my pipeline is mine for PKI...we can hold off on that until after OCF | 18:17 |
| heckj | Yeah - ocf scripts | 18:17 |
| ayoung | Isn't that Oracle Cluster File? no wait, that has an S | 18:17 |
| ayoung | what is OCF? | 18:17 |
| heckj | The OCF scripts are scripts that can be used with pacemaker to manage resources. I orginally thought it would be fine to include a set in our repo to make them easily available | 18:17 |
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| dolphm | something i'm not qualified to review, for sure | 18:18 |
| heckj | bcwaldon brought up a really good point - his opinion is that anything in our repo should be fully supported - and we just don't have a lot of background or detail to be able to support, review, etc. OCF scripts - plus it's specific to actually ANOTHER project (pacemaker), so perhaps it wasn't actually appropriate to put into our repo | 18:18 |
| ayoung | heckj, I concur with that analysis | 18:19 |
| ayoung | I couldn't review it. I don't even know what OCF expands to. | 18:19 |
| heckj | heh | 18:19 |
| dolphm | satellite project? http://osdir.com/ml/openstack-cloud-computing/2012-02/msg00883.html | 18:19 |
| heckj | dolphm: I think that's where it really belongs | 18:20 |
| ayoung | I thought that was the general consensus from the IRC discussion | 18:20 |
| dolphm | heckj: did anyone ever setup a directory of satellite projects? last i heard it would be through sourceforge? | 18:20 |
| dolphm | but i've never seen one | 18:20 |
| heckj | THere was some talk of a site that would list these things, including people's github repos and such, so that related projects could be found, but support/stability/etc attestation wasn't comign from core openstack projects | 18:20 |
| heckj | there was a site planned called stackforge, but no end-user facing setup was created - mtaylor did some great work to expand where we can apply gerrit and CI tools, but that's where it ended | 18:21 |
| heckj | I'm talking with some other folks to try and re-invigorate that effort to get something up and running | 18:21 |
| heckj | sounds like solid consensus on that commit though, so I'll follow it up with email and relevant review comments | 18:22 |
| heckj | #action heckj to follow up on moving OCF scripts elsewhere | 18:22 |
| dolphm | cool | 18:22 |
| mtaylor | ++ | 18:22 |
| heckj | ayoung: you said you had another review item? | 18:22 |
| heckj | #topic ayoungs review thing | 18:22 |
| mtaylor | we have a stackforge github org that things can go in pretty easily | 18:22 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "ayoungs review thing" | 18:22 | |
| mtaylor | and stuff | 18:22 |
| heckj | mtaylor: ++ | 18:22 |
| ayoung | heckj, PKI revocation. | 18:22 |
| mtaylor | (and get hooked in to gerrit, should that be a useful thing) | 18:22 |
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| heckj | #topic PKI revocation | 18:23 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "PKI revocation" | 18:23 | |
| heckj | take it away | 18:23 |
| ayoung | I just reposted for review...asuming we get it through in the next day or so, doees it get merged over to the Folsom branch somehow, or are we going to cut RC1 from master? | 18:23 |
| dolphm | master i believe | 18:23 |
| heckj | ttx will cut RC1 from master | 18:24 |
| ayoung | OK. So I am set with that...so here is what I found | 18:24 |
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| ayoung | the Vary Header gets set, but only for JSON | 18:24 |
| ayoung | I was doing the Revocation list as straight text | 18:24 |
| heckj | I haven't pestered mtaylor in detail with email about enabling a feature branch - which I thought we'd do for dolph's V3 api implementation work | 18:24 |
| dolphm | ayoung: is there a reason why it's not / can't be in JSON? | 18:24 |
| ayoung | but...it is a signed document, which means that it should be does via some standard or other, and sure enough | 18:24 |
| ayoung | #link http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc1847 | 18:25 |
| heckj | oh boy... | 18:25 |
| ayoung | Now, I just found out today how to generate that format from openssl. It is not too bad | 18:25 |
| ayoung | But...I am not going to do that, not yet | 18:25 |
| ayoung | I am going to return the revocation list in a JSON document. | 18:26 |
| dolphm | ayoung: does the client need to specify Accept: multipart/signed ? | 18:26 |
| heckj | ayoung: just thinking that doing this right is more complex than I'd like for the timeframe we're in around release | 18:26 |
| dolphm | need / should | 18:26 |
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| ayoung | dolphm, good question. I don't know. I don't think we/eventlet checks that.... | 18:26 |
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| dolphm | ayoung: keystone checks accept headers today | 18:26 |
| ayoung | OK | 18:27 |
| dolphm | ayoung: although i think application/json is assumed if one is not provided | 18:27 |
| dolphm | otherwise application/xml is mildly supported | 18:27 |
| dolphm | heckj: which reminds me of a v3 issue ^ actually | 18:28 |
| ayoung | dolphm, yeah... | 18:28 |
| heckj | yeah | 18:28 |
| ayoung | I'd love it if we could hit keystone from a web browser directly | 18:28 |
| ayoung | but that would mean to default to HTML | 18:28 |
| dolphm | heckj: the {'entity': {...}} conversation we had about the entity containers ... | 18:28 |
| ayoung | we can do that in V3...but it might break things on the landing page | 18:28 |
| dolphm | heckj: sort of needed for easy xml support | 18:28 |
| heckj | dolphm: AHHH!! | 18:28 |
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| heckj | dolphm: I wondered why we were doing that | 18:29 |
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| dolphm | {'this': {'attr': 'value'}} becomes <this attr="value" /> | 18:29 |
| heckj | dolphm: yep, makes sense when you think about translation | 18:29 |
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| heckj | We're veering off from ayoung's topic though - | 18:30 |
| ayoung | heckj, not necessarilty | 18:30 |
| dolphm | and now back to our regularly scheduled program | 18:30 |
| ayoung | I think we need to put a focus on proper rest for Grizzly | 18:30 |
| heckj | Ok… wasn't sure what you needed, or if you got it with the checking vary-headers in the client | 18:30 |
| ayoung | and that means we should support multiple content types. | 18:30 |
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| ayoung | So, I am not sure if the multipart/signed is right long term...I can investigate that | 18:31 |
| heckj | ayoung: I agree, although I don't know how far down the HATEOS road I really want to go with this | 18:31 |
| ayoung | heckj, this is how far I want to go | 18:31 |
| heckj | ayoung: we can get into some hellashis complexity with using mime headers and such for versioning and request types - I would MUCH prefer to keep that simple | 18:31 |
| ayoung | hit the landing page, use basic auth (or cert or kerberos in the future) | 18:32 |
| ayoung | get apage with a link for everything that I can do | 18:32 |
| dolphm | heckj: i'm definitely not a fan of using mime types of versions - ick | 18:32 |
| ayoung | be able to do it all from a browser using a sparse HTML UI | 18:32 |
| heckj | ayoung: doesn't that overlap pretty heavily with what's happening in horizon? | 18:33 |
| ayoung | heckj, dolphm that is fine. Lets make the design decisions explicit | 18:33 |
| ayoung | heckj, not really. This is for our use | 18:33 |
| ayoung | and for the Keystone administrator | 18:33 |
| ayoung | so they can diagnose with Horizon out of the picture | 18:33 |
| ayoung | also for the end user scripting/integrating with Keystone | 18:33 |
| dolphm | nothing is stopping a browser-side javascript-keystoneclient from existing, either | 18:33 |
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| ayoung | dolphm, well..not quite true | 18:34 |
| ayoung | same origin policy is still in the way | 18:34 |
| heckj | ayoung: I love it as a dev tool - not so sure about building up a user experience for keystone admins with it though... | 18:34 |
| dolphm | right, but nothing is stopping someone from deploying keystone on the same domain as a JS client | 18:34 |
| heckj | ayoung, dolphm : related: CORS support blueprint to enable that | 18:34 |
| ayoung | heckj, Keystone is the rich tool. This is a debugging and testing tool | 18:35 |
| ayoung | heckj, right....doesn't exist yet | 18:35 |
| heckj | ayoung: yep - agreed | 18:35 |
| ayoung | CORS that is | 18:35 |
| heckj | yeah | 18:35 |
| ayoung | But also, I think, if we were to build it that way, the Javascript client would consume pieces of it that don't yet exist: figuring out what data to put together for a form should be drive off a query from tjhe server | 18:36 |
| ayoung | so...I'd like to make HTML a 1st class marshalling format for Grizzly | 18:36 |
| * dolphm runs | 18:36 | |
| ayoung | ayoung, catches up with dolphm trips him, and drags him back to the meeting | 18:37 |
| heckj | uh, well - wow | 18:37 |
| ayoung | heckj, simple, simple HTML: | 18:37 |
| * dolphm distracts ayoung with the xml middleware and makes another break for it | 18:37 | |
| ayoung | results come back in a <DL><DT><DD> ... form | 18:37 |
| dolphm | ayoung: have you seen our application/xml support implementation? | 18:38 |
| dolphm | ayoung: keystone.middleware.core.XmlBodyMiddleware | 18:39 |
| ayoung | heckj, the same rules that go for XML should work for HTML, and then the whole thing should be browser friendly. Otherwise, we are not doing REST, we are just doing another SOAP | 18:39 |
| heckj | ayoung: Oh sure… throw out the "I'll beat you with a brick of SOAP" card… | 18:39 |
| ayoung | dolphm, right | 18:39 |
| heckj | ayoung: WTF, let's give it a shot, see how it rolls. It'll be useful for us doing dev at least | 18:40 |
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| heckj | Somewhat side note: | 18:40 |
| heckj | httplib2 broke my heart yesterday | 18:40 |
| heckj | (novaclient and us… built on it) | 18:40 |
| heckj | in the case of a timeout, with the current "release" of it, it automatically retries the connect... | 18:40 |
| heckj | meaning that if you were running through a proxy, and the request timed out, it would double it... | 18:41 |
| dolphm | ayoung: how do incoming HTML requests look? are they just multipart/form-data encoded? | 18:41 |
| heckj | that's been made configurable in master of httplib2 development tree, but not yet released. | 18:41 |
| dolphm | heckj: i saw your tweet lol | 18:41 |
| dolphm | heckj: double the expected block time, i imagine? | 18:42 |
| heckj | dolphm: we're repackaging httplib2 with the fix ourselves short term | 18:42 |
| ayoung | dolphm, you mean from a browser? What kind of requests? POST or GET? | 18:42 |
| dolphm | ayoung: POST | 18:42 |
| dolphm | ayoung: and PATCH | 18:42 |
| ayoung | haven't looked at patch yet. | 18:43 |
| dolphm | ayoung: looks just like POST, except the resource isn't a collection | 18:43 |
| ayoung | dolphm, I have to admit, I have been doing AJAX for so long that I am not sure. | 18:43 |
| dolphm | ayoung: i believe the PUT operations in V3 don't require a request/response body | 18:43 |
| ayoung | I had libraries managing it for me last project. | 18:44 |
| heckj | ayoung, dolphm Any word from David Chadwick? Said he'd be on IRC, but I don't know what his nick would be... | 18:44 |
| ayoung | he's on the wrong IRC server | 18:44 |
| heckj | ah | 18:44 |
| dolphm | heckj: (who's david chadwick?) | 18:44 |
| heckj | dolphm: he's the guy that's been talking about federation and the use cases they need | 18:45 |
| dolphm | ah cool | 18:45 |
| ayoung | dolphm, wrote a Federated Keystone proof of concept | 18:45 |
| heckj | d.w.chadwick@kent.ac.uk | 18:45 |
| dolphm | oh yeah | 18:45 |
| dolphm | i remember him | 18:45 |
| ayoung | Sent him the URL for Freenode | 18:46 |
| heckj | ayoung: thanks | 18:46 |
| dolphm | attribute based authz? | 18:46 |
| ayoung | dolphm, those links from last week? | 18:46 |
| ayoung | http://etherpad.openstack.org/GrizzlyKeystoneSessions | 18:47 |
| dolphm | ayoung: i'm thinking back to the essex conference, hadn't heard from him since | 18:47 |
| ayoung | heckj, dolphm so the thing I wanted to make sure was that for the V3 API, we weren't assuming JSON by default. I think that will not allow the browsers to do HTML. | 18:48 |
| ayoung | And instead, require an Accepts header. | 18:48 |
| dolphm | ayoung: we can make it required, the clients i've seen are good about specifying it | 18:48 |
| heckj | ayoung: that seems quite reasonable | 18:48 |
| dolphm | ayoung: i know i'm lazy when it comes to curl/etc, but that's my fault :) | 18:49 |
| ayoung | dolphm, its easy if you just cut/paste.... | 18:49 |
| heckj | sounds like we should make some quick doc notes in our dev docs with relevant cut/paste usefulness :-) | 18:49 |
| ayoung | yep | 18:50 |
| ayoung | can we #action that? | 18:50 |
| ayoung | or decision or whatnot? | 18:50 |
| dolphm | require appropriate accept headers? | 18:51 |
| ayoung | dolphm, yes,. that | 18:51 |
| dolphm | and require appropriate content-type while we're at it? | 18:51 |
| heckj | #action ayoung to scribble up some cut and paste URL examples with appropriate accept headers for dev docs | 18:52 |
| dolphm | (we might already require appropriate content-type) | 18:52 |
| heckj | #action: V3 API (all of us to implement) will require accept headers | 18:52 |
| heckj | good ^ ? | 18:52 |
| dolphm | so, i've got a giant chunk of v3 implemented | 18:53 |
| dolphm | i haven't touched /tokens yet, though | 18:53 |
| ayoung | good | 18:53 |
| heckj | nice | 18:53 |
| ayoung | dolphm, I can take a look once I've knocked out revocation. | 18:54 |
| dolphm | ayoung: heckj: let me know when ya'll want to take a peek -- otherwise i'll keep chugging away offline | 18:54 |
| ayoung | dolphm, OK...will do | 18:54 |
| heckj | dolphm: I'll find out the feature branch idea that monty had and start that thread in email | 18:55 |
| dolphm | ayoung: heckj: majorish change from my last review on policy -- i'm implementing a single router deployed to both :5000 and :35357 by default -- not making any distinction between API's whatsoever | 18:55 |
| ayoung | dolphm, I like that! | 18:55 |
| heckj | dolphm: I think that's a good way to go. | 18:55 |
| ayoung | I would really really really like to be able to deploy on a single port. | 18:55 |
| dolphm | ayoung: heckj: to compensate, i'd like to write some whitelist middleware for people that want it, which would only allow "public"-friendly calls to make it through ... but i wouldn't include it in keystone.conf.sample by default | 18:56 |
| heckj | dolphm: seems reasonable - toss up a relevant blueprint on that, will you? | 18:56 |
| dolphm | heckj: sure | 18:56 |
| heckj | ayoung: related - IANA declined our request for another port # - so "35357" is our official port, and will stay that way | 18:56 |
| dolphm | IMO, splitting up the API across multiple ports is a deployment concern, with MUCH better solutions on that side of the fence than what we're "enforcing" today | 18:57 |
| ayoung | heckj, as well they should....but personally, I want to be able to deploy on 443.... | 18:57 |
| dolphm | heckj: cool | 18:57 |
| heckj | I think if we get policy implemented in our own API, we can and should drop this to a single port | 18:57 |
| heckj | ayoung: word | 18:57 |
| ayoung | OK, that is 15:00. We now turn into pumpkins | 18:58 |
| * dolphm runs from mtaylor | 18:58 | |
| ayoung | er..I guess the chat room turns into a pumpkin, and we turn back into mice. | 18:58 |
| heckj | ayoung, dolphm - can one of you stand in for me in the release meeting today? | 18:58 |
| * mtaylor ties up dolphm and feeds him to jenkins | 18:58 | |
| heckj | '#endmeeting | 18:58 |
| heckj | #endmeeting | 18:58 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack meeting channel. See http://wiki.openstack.org/Meetings for schedule and http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack-meeting/ for meeting logs" | 18:58 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Aug 21 18:58:53 2012 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:58 |
| ayoung | heckj, dolphm would be happy to | 18:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack-meeting/2012/openstack-meeting.2012-08-21-18.02.html | 18:58 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack-meeting/2012/openstack-meeting.2012-08-21-18.02.txt | 18:58 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack-meeting/2012/openstack-meeting.2012-08-21-18.02.log.html | 18:58 |
| heckj | before I get fed to Gerrit... | 18:58 |
| ayoung | heh heh | 18:59 |
| mtaylor | #startmeeting | 19:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Aug 21 19:01:01 2012 UTC. The chair is mtaylor. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:01 |
| mtaylor | CI anybody? | 19:01 |
| jeblair | mtaylor: say "#meetingname CI" please | 19:01 |
| mtaylor | #meetingname CI | 19:01 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ci' | 19:01 |
| mtaylor | NEAT | 19:01 |
| jeblair | thx | 19:01 |
| mtaylor | when did that happen? | 19:01 |
| jeblair | mtaylor: it's always been there -- i was going to look into adding that, and found it in the code | 19:01 |
| * mtaylor has brain damage clearly | 19:01 | |
| mtaylor | we should tell people | 19:01 |
| jeblair | mtaylor: i believe it will change the output for logs | 19:01 |
| mtaylor | heckj: did you see that? | 19:01 |
| jeblair | mtaylor: better yet -- | 19:01 |
| jeblair | mtaylor: i think we should make it a required argument for "startmeeting" | 19:02 |
| dolphm | cooool | 19:02 |
| mtaylor | jeblair: ++++ | 19:02 |
| dolphm | is that why the meeting name was "keystone something something" for like a year? | 19:02 |
| jeblair | mtaylor: why don't you endmeeting and we'll see where it goes? | 19:02 |
| mtaylor | #endmeeting | 19:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack meeting channel. See http://wiki.openstack.org/Meetings for schedule and http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack-meeting/ for meeting logs" | 19:02 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Aug 21 19:02:32 2012 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:02 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack-meeting/2012/openstack-meeting.2012-08-21-19.01.html | 19:02 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack-meeting/2012/openstack-meeting.2012-08-21-19.01.txt | 19:02 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack-meeting/2012/openstack-meeting.2012-08-21-19.01.log.html | 19:02 |
| mtaylor | that did nothing | 19:02 |
| jeblair | :( | 19:02 |
| jeblair | okay, well, i'll keep digging. | 19:02 |
| mtaylor | #meetingname CI | 19:02 |
| mtaylor | damn | 19:02 |
| mtaylor | #startmeeting | 19:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Aug 21 19:03:00 2012 UTC. The chair is mtaylor. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:03 |
| mtaylor | #meetingname CI | 19:03 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ci' | 19:03 |
| mtaylor | oh wel | 19:03 |
| jeblair | mtaylor: in general, how about the idea of "#startmeeting ci" | 19:03 |
| mtaylor | ++ | 19:03 |
| jeblair | mtaylor: and making sure the logs go to /meetings/ci/DATE | 19:03 |
| mtaylor | also - now that we have logs.o.o ... | 19:03 |
| mtaylor | logs.o.o/meetings/ci/DATE ? | 19:03 |
| jeblair | mtaylor: logs.o.o is build logs... | 19:03 |
| jeblair | mtaylor: perhaps logs isn't the right name for that | 19:03 |
| jeblair | mtaylor: we could change the build logs to "builds.openstack.org" if we want to use "logs" for irc logs | 19:04 |
| jeblair | mtaylor: but currently, the host for irc logs is http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ | 19:04 |
| mtaylor | jeblair: just a thought | 19:04 |
| heckj | mtaylor: nope - didn't see that | 19:04 |
| jeblair | now's a good time to get all this straight, before we have to add any redirects. :) | 19:04 |
| mtaylor | it is - I was just thinking that we don't necessarily have to keep the logs on the same server as the bot | 19:04 |
| mtaylor | but I may also be making things more confuseling | 19:04 |
| jeblair | mtaylor: oh, er, then we'd have to copy them. | 19:04 |
| jeblair | mtaylor: or use afs. | 19:05 |
| mtaylor | jeblair: we should totally be using AFS | 19:05 |
| jeblair | mtaylor: i think i've just bootstrapped a meetbot test host, so i can work out the details without having to use #openstack-meeting. :) | 19:05 |
| mtaylor | neat | 19:06 |
| mtaylor | so - that being said ... | 19:06 |
| mtaylor | you wanna tell people about logs.o.o (since I know we have tons of onlookers) | 19:06 |
| jeblair | sure | 19:06 |
| jeblair | clarkb and I have been working on a project to move all of the build logs and reports onto a static html server | 19:07 |
| * annegentle looks on | 19:07 | |
| jeblair | http://logs.openstack.org/ | 19:07 |
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| jeblair | it turns out the more build history and reporting jenkins maintains... | 19:07 |
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| jeblair | the slower it gets. it's just not meant to scale to the level we're using it at... | 19:07 |
| jeblair | so the idea is to put all the build information on the static server | 19:08 |
| jeblair | and tell jenkins it doesn't have to keep as much of it around | 19:08 |
| jeblair | this also means that developers won't have to log into launchpad and wait 5 minutes to find out why a build failed | 19:08 |
| mtaylor | ++ | 19:09 |
| * mtaylor thinks it will be popular | 19:09 | |
| jeblair | as we'll link directly from gerrit to logs.o.o when it's all done | 19:09 |
| mtaylor | so, when you do that, how will people get pretty reports of their test output? | 19:09 |
| jeblair | good question monty! | 19:09 |
| jeblair | clarkb is rolling out a nose html output plugin... | 19:09 |
| jeblair | and we'll copy an html test report over to logs.o.o | 19:10 |
| jeblair | similarly for coverage reports, etc. | 19:10 |
| mtaylor | that sounds great! | 19:10 |
| jeblair | we've already got the devstack logs copying over | 19:10 |
| mtaylor | does it have nifty little javascript controls to expand sections? | 19:10 |
| jeblair | clarkb: ? | 19:10 |
| jeblair | here's an example set of check jobs for a keystone change: http://logs.openstack.org/11737/1/check/ | 19:11 |
| jeblair | (that's the change and patchset numbers in there, so it's easy to find things) | 19:11 |
| clarkb | it does | 19:11 |
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| mtaylor | clarkb: excellent | 19:11 |
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| mtaylor | now that we have the html output plugin, what's between us and having zuul spit these links into gerrit reviews? | 19:12 |
| jeblair | mtaylor: i want to make sure all the jobs are putting all of their data their first | 19:12 |
| clarkb | the output will look like the sample here http://tungwaiyip.info/software/sample_test_report.html | 19:12 |
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| maoy | greetings. :) | 19:12 |
| jeblair | mtaylor: basically nothing -- but we have to merge a change into all the projects first | 19:12 |
| jeblair | i invited maoy to join us | 19:13 |
| jeblair | because he wanted to chat about the pylint job he's working on | 19:13 |
| mtaylor | sweet | 19:13 |
| mtaylor | #topic pylint | 19:13 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "pylint" | 19:13 | |
| clarkb | that change is adding the plugin to the test-requires | 19:13 |
| mtaylor | ok - wait, before we do pylint... | 19:13 |
| mtaylor | do we really need that in test-requires? | 19:13 |
| mtaylor | it's not actually a plugin we're expecting devs to run locally, are we? | 19:14 |
| maoy | clarkb: are you talking about pylint or something else? | 19:14 |
| clarkb | it isn't, but we need the plugin to be installed into the virtual env | 19:14 |
| jeblair | mtaylor: no, but we need it to be installed in the venv | 19:14 |
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| clarkb | maoy: something else | 19:14 |
| mtaylor | AH | 19:14 |
| mtaylor | bother | 19:14 |
| mtaylor | ok | 19:14 |
| mtaylor | that's gonna suck | 19:14 |
| jeblair | mtaylor: why? | 19:14 |
| mtaylor | just merging that everywhere... | 19:14 |
| jeblair | mtaylor: isn't that what test-requires is for? | 19:14 |
| jeblair | mtaylor: oh, yes. :) | 19:15 |
| mtaylor | master, s/e, s/d of all projects | 19:15 |
| jeblair | mtaylor: and to stable/* branches too! :) | 19:15 |
| * mtaylor cries | 19:15 | |
| mtaylor | we might need to get that in soon before ttx thinks it's a new feature and therefore subject to FF | 19:15 |
| clarkb | can we specify the dependency in run-tox somehow? | 19:16 |
| jeblair | heh "echo 'nosehtmloutput >> tools/test-requires'" | 19:17 |
| jeblair | ^ bad idea, don't do it. | 19:17 |
| uvirtbot | jeblair: Error: "bad" is not a valid command. | 19:17 |
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| mtaylor | that's right uvirtbot ... "bad" is NOT a valid command | 19:18 |
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| mtaylor | jeblair: "grep nosehtmloutput tools/test-requires 2>&1 || echo 'nosehtmloutput >> tools/test-requires'" | 19:18 |
| mtaylor | I think would be more correct | 19:19 |
| jeblair | mtaylor: do you want to go down that road? | 19:19 |
| mtaylor | jeblair: not REALLY | 19:19 |
| mtaylor | but I wouldn't mind if tox could do dependency injection via arguments or env vars... | 19:19 |
| jeblair | i think we can propose a bunch of one-liners today | 19:19 |
| jeblair | mtaylor: yes, i would like that too. | 19:19 |
| mtaylor | we're digressing ... | 19:20 |
| mtaylor | pylint! | 19:20 |
| mtaylor | maoy: hey there | 19:20 |
| maoy | yo | 19:20 |
| jeblair | maoy: so your question to me... | 19:20 |
| jeblair | maoy: was whether we could have pylint report to gerrit but not count its vote | 19:20 |
| maoy | https://jenkins.openstack.org/job/gate-nova-pylint/32/console | 19:20 |
| maoy | this is what it looks like when there is a bug, pretty sweet | 19:20 |
| jeblair | maoy: is that something you want to do in the long run, or do you still want it to eventually be a real gating job? | 19:21 |
| maoy | jeblair: hard to say.. might not be that a bad idea to do it for a few months.. | 19:21 |
| maoy | in openstack i guess that's "long"? :) | 19:21 |
| jeblair | http://logs.openstack.org/11444/9/silent/gate-nova-pylint/32/console.html | 19:22 |
| jeblair | there's the new static url for that. :) | 19:22 |
| jeblair | maoy: (that was our previous meeting topic) | 19:22 |
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| mtaylor | that's SO MUCH QUICKER to load | 19:22 |
| maoy | oh. i c.. | 19:22 |
| maoy | https://jenkins.openstack.org/job/gate-nova-pylint/32/violations/file/nova/utils.py/? | 19:22 |
| maoy | anything static for this type? | 19:23 |
| jeblair | maoy: no... remeber in the code review i mentioned i would like either an html or formatted text report? | 19:23 |
| jeblair | maoy: this is why | 19:23 |
| maoy | jeblair: yup. this is really nice.. | 19:24 |
| maoy | jeblair: i can stand it being this slow. :) | 19:24 |
| maoy | not very very slow. :) | 19:24 |
| jeblair | maoy: so if you output something nice to the console, or to a separate html or txt file, we can copy it over. | 19:24 |
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| clarkb | pylint has an html output format | 19:25 |
| jeblair | maoy: i'm not clear -- are you saying you prefer slow and the pretty jenkins output? | 19:25 |
| mtaylor | jeblair: so - a generalized pylint and pep8 output format to html converter... | 19:25 |
| mtaylor | or what clarkb said | 19:25 |
| jeblair | clarkb: yes, but maoy's script hides it | 19:25 |
| * mtaylor shuts up - jeblair and clarkb have things well in hand | 19:25 | |
| maoy | clarkb: jeblair is right. I had to parse pylint's output so no html from pylint. | 19:26 |
| maoy | jeblair: I think the current output format is good enough for me. :) | 19:26 |
| maoy | jeblair: but I wonder if it's possible to link the result of this to Jenkin's comment in Gerrit. | 19:27 |
| jeblair | maoy: so why not turn it on as a gate job when it's ready? | 19:27 |
| maoy | jeblair: that would take a while for people to get comfortable with it as a gate job I guess. | 19:28 |
| jeblair | maoy: do you think people are going to pay attention to it if it's not a gate job? | 19:28 |
| maoy | jeblair: I think so. For example, smokestack is not gate job per se | 19:29 |
| maoy | but it's a warning sign | 19:29 |
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| maoy | but I guess it's not some existing function that's already available to use in Jenkins, right? | 19:30 |
| jeblair | i just remember people not ever really caring if they increased the pylint count, unless we gated on it, and the one project we were gating on pylint eventually got tired of it. | 19:30 |
| clarkb | as a quick hack to get parsable output and html can you simply run pylint twice? | 19:30 |
| mtaylor | clarkb: he needs to filter the already seen errors from the output | 19:31 |
| clarkb | ah | 19:31 |
| jeblair | maoy: correct, it's not an existing feature; it would be a (fairly small) change to zuul to do that. | 19:31 |
| maoy | ckarkb: mtaylor is right. but we do have parsable output now | 19:31 |
| jeblair | maoy: if we think that's the way we want to go, i can add that to zuul | 19:32 |
| jeblair | mtaylor: you were around in the old pylint days, what do you think? | 19:33 |
| maoy | the spectrum is silent pipeline -> warning in jenkins -> gate function. | 19:34 |
| * LinuxJedi suddenly imagines mtaylor dressed as Obiwan | 19:34 | |
| jeblair | LinuxJedi: what's oubiwann wearing then? | 19:34 |
| maoy | at the moment it seems I have enough headwind to do it as a gate function | 19:34 |
| LinuxJedi | jeblair: a dusty old cloak, and talks about the good old days when he turned boys evil or something | 19:35 |
| maoy | but silent pipeline seems a bit too silent.. | 19:35 |
| jeblair | so the change to zuul would be that an individual job could be marked as non-voting, so it could be included in the check and gate pipelines, but its vote isn't counted when determining whether to run the success or failure actions. | 19:36 |
| maoy | jeblair: that's exactly what I was hoping for.. | 19:36 |
| jeblair | zuul would report "gate-nova-pylint: FAILURE", but if nothing else failed, the overall verified status would still be +1 or +2. | 19:36 |
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| clarkb | is that much better than simply running it as a check test and not a gate test? | 19:37 |
| clarkb | I would be worried about confusing people | 19:37 |
| jeblair | clarkb: that's a good idea too, but that would mean a -1 verified vote on check, and the same change could get a +2 verified vote on gate... | 19:37 |
| maoy | clarkb: interesting. I haven't thought about that.. | 19:37 |
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| jeblair | clarkb: that's also a change in how the system currently works... anyone who ignores verified=-1 changes would be disrupted by that | 19:38 |
| jeblair | clarkb: but otherwise, does make a lot of sense. | 19:38 |
| maoy | jeblair: good pt. might slightly confusing.. | 19:38 |
| clarkb | ya I think either way some education has to happen. | 19:39 |
| LinuxJedi | probably would have made more sense in a 0-2 rating on verified | 19:39 |
| clarkb | so picking the less painful route which appears to be not counting a test against the verified vote is the way to go | 19:39 |
| jeblair | we can annotate the test in the message with "non-voting" or something if that's helpful. | 19:39 |
| LinuxJedi | ++ | 19:40 |
| maoy | or is it possible for jenkins to post another comment separately just to show pylint result as FYI? | 19:40 |
| LinuxJedi | the way gerrit works that would initially hide one or the other comment | 19:40 |
| jeblair | maoy: and it generates email, so we try to keep the number of comments down | 19:40 |
| LinuxJedi | that too :) | 19:40 |
| maoy | got it.. | 19:41 |
| jeblair | okay, so i think we're all leaning toward the non-voting test solution.... | 19:41 |
| maoy | +1 on that | 19:41 |
| jeblair | maoy: i'll work that up and point you at the change when it's ready | 19:41 |
| maoy | jeblair: thanks much. i'll talk to other nova folks to see their opinion. | 19:42 |
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| maoy | jeblair: one thing is that pylint job does take a while to run.. not sure if it matters | 19:42 |
| clarkb | tempest currently takes about 15 minutes I think | 19:43 |
| jeblair | maoy: it takes about as long as the unit tests, and we run all the jobs in parallel, so there's no net change | 19:43 |
| jeblair | and yeah, tempest takes even longer. :) | 19:43 |
| maoy | cool.. | 19:43 |
| jeblair | maoy: we even test multiple changes in parallel (that's what zuul is all about) | 19:43 |
| maoy | btw, there is some change in lintstack | 19:44 |
| maoy | previously there is a pylint_exception committed in the source tree to record what errors have been seen before | 19:44 |
| LinuxJedi | now we just need to work on a way of testing changes before people write them | 19:44 |
| maoy | in the new code, that file is auto generated from HEAD~1 every time so there is no need to maintain that | 19:45 |
| jeblair | LinuxJedi: easy "tox && /bin/false". they all fail. | 19:45 |
| LinuxJedi | lol :) | 19:45 |
| jeblair | maoy: that may be a problem. | 19:45 |
| maoy | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/11444/9/tools/lintstack.sh | 19:46 |
| maoy | that's how I deal with it now.. | 19:46 |
| jeblair | maoy: that makes some assumptions about the state of the git tree that may not be correct. | 19:47 |
| * jeblair is thinking | 19:47 | |
| mtaylor | jeblair: actually - interestingly enough - if you have a sequence of merges | 19:49 |
| mtaylor | jeblair: shouldn't the first merge in the sequence throw the pylint error, but then others in the sequence not? | 19:49 |
| maoy | are you guys thinking about merges with multiple parents? | 19:50 |
| jeblair | so the thing i'm considering is... | 19:50 |
| mtaylor | maoy: no, we do a lot of things in support of parallel testing | 19:50 |
| jeblair | well, i am also thinking of merge commits | 19:50 |
| jeblair | what if HEAD is a merge commit? | 19:50 |
| mtaylor | me. that too | 19:51 |
| mtaylor | mmm. that too | 19:51 |
| jeblair | (it usually is, currently) | 19:51 |
| maoy | oh. you mean the files could be in use by other tests, like the unit tests? | 19:51 |
| jeblair | maoy: let's talk about that in a second -- first let's focus on "HEAD is a merge commit" | 19:51 |
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| jeblair | maoy: you are comparing HEAD to HEAD~1... | 19:51 |
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| jeblair | maoy: wouldn't that compare the commit "Merge 'my change'" with "my change" | 19:52 |
| * mtaylor believes jeblair is correct | 19:52 | |
| maoy | not really.. see the git logs here: https://jenkins.openstack.org/job/gate-nova-pylint/32/console | 19:53 |
| maoy | somehow it's fast-forwarded so HEAD is not a merge commit | 19:53 |
| jeblair | maoy: i mean, it might compare "Merge 'my change'" with "the previous head", but that depends on the order of the parent commits, which i'm not sure is guaranteed. | 19:53 |
| jeblair | maoy: we fast-forward if possible, but that's only possible if you have rebased immediately before testing | 19:54 |
| jeblair | maoy: otherwise, we merge, which is usually what happens when changes actually land | 19:54 |
| jeblair | maoy: see the commit history here: https://github.com/openstack/nova/commits/master | 19:54 |
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| maoy | jeblair: it seems that git review is doing that rebase automatically now | 19:54 |
| jeblair | maoy: yes. and that's actually about to change | 19:55 |
| jeblair | maoy: future versions won't do that anymore. | 19:55 |
| jeblair | i think we're about to run out of time.. | 19:55 |
| maoy | jeblair: ok.. so what should I compare to against HEAD if not HEAD~1? | 19:55 |
| jeblair | maybe we should continue this conversation in #openstack-infra | 19:55 |
| mtaylor | I think next step here is that we need to test the HEAD v. HEAD~1 logic in some different scenarios | 19:56 |
| mtaylor | and also continue the discussion in #openstack-infra | 19:56 |
| maoy | agree | 19:56 |
| mtaylor | k. I'm calling it | 19:56 |
| maoy | I have to leave for half an hour around 4pm EDT (i.e. in 5 minutes).. | 19:56 |
| mtaylor | #endmeeting | 19:57 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Aug 21 19:57:01 2012 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:57 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack-meeting/2012/openstack-meeting.2012-08-21-19.03.html | 19:57 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack-meeting/2012/openstack-meeting.2012-08-21-19.03.txt | 19:57 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack-meeting/2012/openstack-meeting.2012-08-21-19.03.log.html | 19:57 |
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| ttx | o/ | 20:59 |
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| bcwaldon | hey hey | 21:00 |
| notmyname | o/ | 21:00 |
| ayoung | O/ | 21:00 |
| ayoung | standing in for heckj | 21:00 |
| gabrielhurley | ttx: I'll be your devcamcar today | 21:00 |
| ttx | heckj, notmyname, bcwaldon, jgriffith, vishy, danwent: around ? | 21:01 |
| bcwaldon | ttx: I was first! | 21:01 |
| ttx | ayoung: oh, noted | 21:01 |
| danwent | o/ | 21:01 |
| notmyname | ttx: heh | 21:01 |
| notmyname | here | 21:01 |
| ttx | some weird lag here | 21:01 |
| bcwaldon | suuuure | 21:02 |
| ttx | so... still missing jgriffith, vishy | 21:02 |
| jgriffith | o/ | 21:02 |
| ttx | ok, let's start | 21:02 |
| ttx | #startmeeting | 21:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Aug 21 21:02:43 2012 UTC. The chair is ttx. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:02 |
| ttx | Agenda @ http://wiki.openstack.org/Meetings/ProjectMeeting | 21:02 |
| ttx | #info We are under FeatureFreeze for everything but Swift, so please take extra care in reviews | 21:03 |
| ttx | #info Core reviewers should flag changes that add a new feature, modify the behavior without fixing a bug, modify translatable strings or add/modify a configuration option | 21:03 |
| ttx | #topic Keystone status | 21:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Keystone status" | 21:03 | |
| ttx | ayoung: o/ | 21:03 |
| ttx | #link https://launchpad.net/keystone/+milestone/folsom-rc1 | 21:04 |
| ttx | So one blueprint was granted an exception, yours :) | 21:04 |
| ttx | * https://blueprints.launchpad.net/keystone/+spec/pki | 21:04 |
| ttx | ayoung: How far are you ? I couldn't really find reviews linked to this... | 21:04 |
| ayoung | PKI was done for a while, with the exception of Revocation. Revocation was merged last week | 21:05 |
| ttx | IIUC that means it's now all in ? | 21:05 |
| ayoung | there is a bug that is up for review | 21:05 |
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| ayoung | ttx, yes, in master | 21:05 |
| ttx | ayoung: ok, will mark that blueprint implemented. The bug was targeted to folsom-rc1 ? | 21:05 |
| ayoung | Heh, it will be shortly. | 21:06 |
| ttx | hmm, apparently not | 21:06 |
| ttx | ok :) | 21:06 |
| ttx | More generally, your RC bug list is very empty | 21:06 |
| ttx | Somehow I doubt those two listed issues are the only one standing between you and a release-quality RC1 :) | 21:06 |
| vishy | o/ | 21:07 |
| ttx | Would be good to go through bugs and start targeting all bugs you think should be fixed before we can release Folsom | 21:07 |
| vishy | (btwo) | 21:07 |
| ayoung | https://bugs.launchpad.net/keystone/+bug/1038309 | 21:07 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1038309 in keystone "auth_token fails to fetch revocation list" [Undecided,In progress] | 21:07 |
| ayoung | ttx, heckj was doing just that | 21:07 |
| ttx | ayoung: targeted | 21:07 |
| ttx | #action heckj to go through keystone buglist and target release blockers to RC1 where appropriate | 21:08 |
| ayoung | from today's keystone meeting: | 21:08 |
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| ayoung | http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack-meeting/2012/openstack-meeting.2012-08-21-18.02.html | 21:08 |
| ttx | Looking at triage now... looks like you triaged them all ? | 21:08 |
| ayoung | Joe was very busy | 21:09 |
| ttx | ayoung: I think once the RC buglist is built you should be in good shape | 21:09 |
| ayoung | Agreed | 21:09 |
| ayoung | we've been trying to keep an eye to stability | 21:09 |
| ttx | ayoung: then it's all downhill with bugfixing and bug assignment to RC1 | 21:10 |
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| ttx | ayoung: anything else you wanted to mention ? | 21:10 |
| ayoung | No, I think those are the important things | 21:10 |
| ttx | Questions about Keystone ? | 21:10 |
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| ttx | #topic Swift status | 21:11 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Swift status" | 21:11 | |
| notmyname | hi | 21:11 |
| ttx | notmyname: o/ | 21:11 |
| ttx | notmyname: Did you send that email with your 2.0 thoughts ? | 21:11 |
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| notmyname | I did not. I'm still collecting them | 21:12 |
| ttx | #action notmyname to send an email to openstack-dev with 2.0 thoughts | 21:12 |
| notmyname | turns out it's an issue with lots of factors :-) | 21:12 |
| ttx | notmyname: for the release date, would be good if it was before Sep 13 | 21:13 |
| ttx | i.e. at least two weeks away from release | 21:13 |
| notmyname | how about sept 13 then? | 21:13 |
| ttx | (common release) | 21:13 |
| ttx | notmyname: works for me | 21:13 |
| notmyname | ttx: is that for the QA'd release or the RC? | 21:13 |
| ttx | QA'd release | 21:13 |
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| notmyname | ah | 21:14 |
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| notmyname | ok. we'll see what we can do | 21:14 |
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| ttx | ok, keep me posted | 21:14 |
| ttx | notmyname: anything else ? | 21:14 |
| notmyname | we have a lot of changed I'd like to see get in | 21:14 |
| notmyname | nope | 21:14 |
| ttx | if there are so many changes it might make sense to include 1.6.1 in Folsom | 21:15 |
| ttx | and keep 2.0 as an early Grizzly thing | 21:15 |
| notmyname | or 1.7 in folsom and 2.0 "later" | 21:16 |
| notmyname | ;-) | 21:16 |
| ttx | heh | 21:16 |
| * ttx holds on before creating a 2.0 in Folsom series :) | 21:17 | |
| ttx | Questions on Swift ? | 21:17 |
| ttx | #topic Glance status | 21:17 |
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| ttx | bcwaldon: around ? | 21:17 |
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| ttx | let's skip to Quantum, Brian told me he might have to leave IRC for a few | 21:18 |
| ttx | #topic Quantum status | 21:18 |
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| ttx | danwent: yo | 21:18 |
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| danwent | hello | 21:18 |
| ttx | danwent: congrats by the way | 21:18 |
| danwent | thanks :) | 21:18 |
| danwent | she's right by me… hope you can't hear her scream via IRC :) | 21:19 |
| ttx | I can just imagine | 21:19 |
| ttx | #link https://launchpad.net/quantum/+milestone/folsom-rc1 | 21:19 |
| ttx | Got only two standing Quantum-code-related exceptions on that list: | 21:19 |
| ttx | * https://blueprints.launchpad.net/quantum/+spec/quantum-multihost-dhcp (nati) | 21:19 |
| danwent | yes, still need to send you mail, sorry | 21:19 |
| ttx | * https://blueprints.launchpad.net/quantum/+spec/test-agent (nati) | 21:19 |
| ttx | The rest is either completed, doc, devstack or quantumclient related, IIUC | 21:19 |
| danwent | that is true in terms of blueprints. | 21:20 |
| danwent | there are two other items that are tracked as bugs, but are signfiicant enough that i'm treating them like FFE items. | 21:20 |
| danwent | xml support | 21:20 |
| danwent | and the last phase of bob's provider networks branch | 21:20 |
| ttx | danwent: hmm, we'll come back to those later | 21:20 |
| danwent | anything that smells like an FFE, I've told people needs to be proposed for non-WIP review by next monday | 21:20 |
| ttx | danwent: how are those two above doing ? | 21:20 |
| danwent | the bps or the bugs? | 21:21 |
| ttx | (nati's ones) | 21:21 |
| danwent | both are under review already (they have been since F-3) | 21:21 |
| danwent | the test-agent is for testing only | 21:21 |
| danwent | and is pretty close | 21:21 |
| danwent | the multi-host DHCP, i need to re-review since providing feedback. | 21:21 |
| danwent | multi-host patch got much smaller in review, which is good. | 21:22 |
| ttx | both should land before the end of week ? | 21:22 |
| danwent | I would say by start of next week, giving them the weekend, as nati is on vacation at least part of this week. | 21:22 |
| danwent | though he's responding to reviews (or at least has been so far). | 21:22 |
| mtaylor | danwent, ttx: status on quantum in devstack-gate? | 21:23 |
| danwent | mtaylor: glad that you mentioned it. we were going to wait for one of the above items, but after discussing it at the meeting yesterday, we're just going to go ahead with a simple gate to start. | 21:23 |
| mtaylor | danwent: great! | 21:23 |
| danwent | mtaylor: will send you email after the meeting, but have told team this is top priority | 21:23 |
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| danwent | (assuming we can get some devstack review help) | 21:24 |
| mtaylor | danwent: you always make me super-happy | 21:24 |
| mtaylor | danwent: we'll prioritize that | 21:24 |
| danwent | great, thanks. | 21:24 |
| jeblair | +1 | 21:24 |
| ttx | danwent: link to devstack review ? | 21:24 |
| danwent | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/10828/ | 21:24 |
| ttx | #help devstack review help needed https://review.openstack.org/#/c/10828/ | 21:24 |
| ttx | ok, so about those two bugs-that-look-like-features | 21:25 |
| danwent | yes | 21:25 |
| ttx | XMl support sounds like something I'd prefer to have a blueprint about | 21:25 |
| ttx | if only to track the major features that landed in Folsom | 21:25 |
| ttx | No so sure about the other one, which looks like a gap bug | 21:26 |
| danwent | agreed. I will up to to a BP. we had a branch proposed for review for XML support during F-3, but I wasn't happy with it. I told the two people who really wanted XML support in Folsom that they could have a week to clean it up and get it approved. | 21:26 |
| danwent | ttx: yes, other one is last bit of something that landed in F-3. we could have deferred the BP, but instead we created a 'follow-on' bug. | 21:26 |
| ttx | danwent: not really happy to see that landing now, tbh. It affects the work of QA people quite a bit | 21:26 |
| danwent | ttx: the xml? | 21:27 |
| ttx | and as famous examped showed, untested XML is like no XML | 21:27 |
| ttx | examples* | 21:27 |
| ttx | danwent: yes | 21:27 |
| danwent | i'm ok with you denying it… | 21:27 |
| danwent | if it makes you unhappy | 21:27 |
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| danwent | it doesn't make me very happy either | 21:27 |
| danwent | but the folks seem close, so I told them to take a shot. | 21:27 |
| ttx | hmm, we'll discuss that offline | 21:27 |
| ttx | #action danwent/ttx to discuss XML support FFE status | 21:28 |
| danwent | and if it didn't make the core devs happy by monday, we'd drop it from folsom | 21:28 |
| ttx | Looking at bugs now... good list | 21:28 |
| annegentle | danwent: the API spec under review has XML samples | 21:28 |
| annegentle | but yes discuss offline | 21:28 |
| ttx | Did you go through the complete open bugs list to build it ? | 21:28 |
| danwent | annegentle: yes, we will have to remove those if it doesn't make it. | 21:28 |
| annegentle | danwent: noted | 21:28 |
| danwent | ttx: not yet. can do it today… i'll pull the baby card :) | 21:28 |
| ttx | Would be great to get people assigned to each of those too | 21:29 |
| ttx | danwent: also someone should carete that XML support blueprint | 21:29 |
| ttx | create* | 21:29 |
| danwent | yes. I filed a few more last night, as there are some squishy points on integration of nova + quantum that we need to firm up ASAP. | 21:29 |
| danwent | ttx: I will | 21:29 |
| ttx | (Generally when noone is assigned to them they don't progress fast enough for RC1.) | 21:29 |
| ttx | (the bugs) | 21:29 |
| ttx | Looking at bug triaging, you also have 22 untriaged | 21:29 |
| danwent | ttx: my bad. will do full bug pass today | 21:30 |
| ttx | danwent: delagate, dude :) | 21:30 |
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| danwent | ttx: good point :) | 21:30 |
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| annegentle | or danwent: man up, daddy-o :) | 21:30 |
| ttx | #action danwent and team to triage all bugs and build the RC bug list | 21:30 |
| ttx | danwent: Anything else ? | 21:30 |
| annegentle | sleep, schmeep | 21:30 |
| annegentle | :) | 21:30 |
| danwent | nope, clearly have a bit of catch-up to do. will ping you offline about xml. and will ping CI people about gate. | 21:31 |
| ttx | Questions on Quantum ? | 21:31 |
| ttx | bcwaldon: back? | 21:31 |
| bcwaldon | ttx: yes | 21:31 |
| ttx | #topic Glance status | 21:31 |
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| ttx | #link https://launchpad.net/glance/+milestone/folsom-rc1 | 21:31 |
| ttx | No exception, yay | 21:31 |
| ttx | Looking at bugs, I see you got a decent list of RC bugs | 21:32 |
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| bcwaldon | yepper, just a buncha bugs | 21:32 |
| bcwaldon | I pushed off bugfixin until now | 21:32 |
| ttx | Is that list reasonably complete ? i.e. did you go through the whole open bugs list ? | 21:32 |
| bcwaldon | yes | 21:32 |
| ttx | Awesome. | 21:32 |
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| bcwaldon | I might expect to see a few more added | 21:32 |
| bcwaldon | but maybe not | 21:32 |
| ttx | Well, you did your homework, I see.. anything specific you wanted to mention ? | 21:32 |
| bcwaldon | we'll see :) | 21:32 |
| bcwaldon | I did want to highlight my message to the ML covering Glance's Folsom release http://markmail.org/message/rpewwtqcb2qxa5t5 | 21:33 |
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| bcwaldon | that has some good info in it for people not following glance development too closely | 21:33 |
| ttx | bcwaldon: yes, I just read it. Will definitely help in release notes and messaging around folsom release | 21:33 |
| mtaylor | ++ | 21:33 |
| bcwaldon | yes, I'll condense it down for official release notes | 21:33 |
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| bcwaldon | thats it from me | 21:34 |
| ttx | Questions on Glance ? | 21:34 |
| ttx | #topic Cinder status | 21:34 |
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| jgriffith | Yo | 21:34 |
| ttx | jgriffith: o/ | 21:34 |
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| ttx | #link https://launchpad.net/cinder/+milestone/folsom-rc1 | 21:35 |
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| ttx | No exception either, yay | 21:35 |
| jgriffith | :) | 21:35 |
| jgriffith | Quotas should be closing as soon as I get reviews | 21:35 |
| ttx | On the bug side though, you should start to aggressively triage your bug list and mark more of those RC (by targeting them to folsom-rc1)... | 21:35 |
| ttx | ... as I suspect Cinder is more than 3 bugs away from perfection ? | 21:35 |
| jgriffith | The Netapp ones I have to find Ben.. he's been MIA since last week | 21:35 |
| jgriffith | LOL | 21:35 |
| jgriffith | Sure.. that sounds good | 21:35 |
| ttx | You also have 11 untriaged bugs that you should probably go through | 21:35 |
| jgriffith | I have plans for most of them | 21:35 |
| jgriffith | I want to get input from the core team in tomorrows meeting though | 21:36 |
| ttx | #action jgriffith and Cinder team to triage new bugs and come up with a list of release blockers | 21:36 |
| jgriffith | There will be at least 4 added to RC1 after tomorrow | 21:36 |
| * ttx prefers known targeted bugs to unknown quality | 21:36 | |
| jgriffith | fair enough | 21:37 |
| ttx | jgriffith: that's all I had for you... anything you wanted to mention ? | 21:37 |
| jgriffith | Nope... just pushing these, then trying to get everybody to pitch in on docs | 21:37 |
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| ttx | Less exceptions give more time for bugfixing and documentation, yay | 21:38 |
| annegentle | jgriffith: just to clarify, both nova-volume and cinder will exist as options in folsom, correct? | 21:38 |
| jgriffith | Anybody wants to help with reviews that would be great | 21:38 |
| jgriffith | annegentle: yes | 21:38 |
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| jgriffith | annegentle: There will be a synch between the two after RC1 | 21:38 |
| annegentle | #info the docs need to cover both nova-volume and cinder | 21:38 |
| jgriffith | Or for RC1 | 21:38 |
| ttx | jgriffith: are you lacking reviewers ? | 21:38 |
| jgriffith | This week I seem to be | 21:38 |
| ttx | #help Cinder reviewers wanted | 21:39 |
| ttx | Questions on Cinder ? | 21:39 |
| ttx | #topic Nova status | 21:39 |
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| ttx | vishy: hey | 21:39 |
| ttx | #link https://launchpad.net/nova/+milestone/folsom-rc1 | 21:39 |
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| ttx | vishy: ? | 21:40 |
| vishy | hi | 21:40 |
| ttx | Hi! Looking at standing exceptions: | 21:40 |
| ttx | * https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/scheduler-resource-race | 21:40 |
| ttx | vishy: Under review ? How close is it ? | 21:40 |
| vishy | i think very | 21:41 |
| ttx | cool. | 21:41 |
| ttx | * https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/os-api-network-create | 21:41 |
| ttx | what about this one ? | 21:41 |
| vishy | actually the first is implemented | 21:41 |
| vishy | the second we were giving a chance to the author to fix it, or else markmc will update it | 21:41 |
| markmc | I sorted out the blocking API issues today | 21:42 |
| ttx | vishy: ok will mark it done | 21:42 |
| vishy | I think we will have him do it since the author is not doing much | 21:42 |
| ttx | * https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/project-specific-flavors | 21:42 |
| markmc | ttx, network-create isn't done yet | 21:42 |
| ttx | markmc: right | 21:42 |
| markmc | ttx, network-associate is | 21:42 |
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| vishy | k so it looks good | 21:42 |
| ttx | markmc: I think vishy's point was that scheduler-resource-race was done... right ? | 21:42 |
| vishy | just needs an approval it is good by me | 21:43 |
| vishy | ttx: correct | 21:43 |
| markmc | ah | 21:43 |
| vishy | so the project-specific flavor just needs some reviews | 21:43 |
| vishy | i think it is good | 21:43 |
| ttx | vishy: ok, so everything should be in by mid-week, cool | 21:43 |
| ttx | except the network-create stuff which shoiuld get done by the end of the week ? | 21:43 |
| vishy | no i didn't realize it is done | 21:44 |
| vishy | e | 21:44 |
| vishy | everything should be in by thursday i think | 21:44 |
| med_ | ? | 21:44 |
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| ttx | OK. We also have late FFEs requested by mtaylor: | 21:44 |
| ttx | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2012-August/000750.html | 21:44 |
| vishy | so the remaining question is whether to let the entry point stuff in | 21:44 |
| ttx | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2012-August/000751.html | 21:44 |
| vishy | i like that it simplifies external drivers. | 21:44 |
| ttx | vishy: I think it's relatively harmless | 21:45 |
| vishy | if so it will probably make external drivers much happier | 21:45 |
| mtaylor | it _should_ failover to current behavior in case someone is making use of the current import-basd behavior | 21:45 |
| vishy | markmc: thoughts? | 21:45 |
| ttx | vishy: it either loads or doesn't, so easy to see problems ? | 21:45 |
| markmc | vishy, haven't look properly yet and don't really understand what it's all about | 21:45 |
| mtaylor | it breaks the unittest suite REALLY quickly when it's broken :) | 21:45 |
| * markmc plans to look in the morning | 21:45 | |
| mtaylor | markmc: tl;dr - ability to use entry points to load virt and scheduler drivers | 21:46 |
| ttx | vishy: maybe decide by next Nova's meeting ? | 21:46 |
| vishy | markmc: it allows drivers to be loaded from entrypoints in addition to class names | 21:46 |
| ttx | and in the mean time, keep it in review ? | 21:46 |
| vishy | ttx: sounds good | 21:46 |
| vishy | we will discuss it in the meeting | 21:46 |
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| markmc | if it's harmless, we can assume FFE probably? | 21:47 |
| mtaylor | vishy: fwiw, I'm AFK starting tomorrow - but if something minor needs to get tweaked, I'm more than happy for someone to edit and re-push those | 21:47 |
| ttx | #action nova-core and ttx to review FFE for entry point stuff by Thursday | 21:47 |
| ttx | markmc: I have to have a deeper look, but on the tin it says it's harmless | 21:47 |
| ttx | vishy: Switching to RC bugs now, you got 11 targeted | 21:48 |
| ttx | But I think you can't really target until some serious triaging is done. A huge effort is needed in that area. We have 101 untriaged bugs | 21:49 |
| ttx | I feel like we won't have a good RC list until we get those confirmed and prioritized. | 21:49 |
| ttx | vishy: Do you have a plan to handle that ? | 21:49 |
| vishy | ttx: yes, I've just been targetting the ones that i find myself | 21:49 |
| markmc | wow, 101 | 21:49 |
| vishy | ttx: yeah it is hard to keep up but nova-core is focusing on bugs so i hope we can. | 21:49 |
| ttx | it's a shitty job but needs to be done.. and the sooner the better | 21:49 |
| ttx | I can help, within my limited abilities. | 21:50 |
| markmc | I'm up for a bug triage day if we got a handful of nova-core folks together | 21:50 |
| ttx | markmc: I'm in vacation next week, so can't really coordinate that | 21:50 |
| ttx | but I can give you the keys to the party hall | 21:51 |
| ttx | vishy: do you think a bugday would help ? | 21:51 |
| ttx | or just asking everyone in nova-core to do 15 ? | 21:51 |
| vishy | we need a bug 2 weeks | 21:52 |
| vishy | every day should be a bug day | 21:52 |
| ttx | vishy: yes at this point we ned to get the list back to 0.. then handle incoming reports | 21:53 |
| ttx | nee* | 21:53 |
| ttx | d | 21:53 |
| ttx | vishy: so asking everyone to take at least 101/nova-core bugs ? | 21:53 |
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| ttx | running out of time | 21:55 |
| ttx | #action vishy to find a way to get untriaged bugcount to 0 | 21:55 |
| ttx | Questions on Nova ? | 21:55 |
| annegentle | o/ | 21:55 |
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| ttx | annegentle: go ahead | 21:55 |
| annegentle | It looks like https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/disable-server-extensions is marked as "Implemented" but I didn't see doc additions to document the changes, what's a good plan for that? | 21:55 |
| annegentle | weird underlines, sorry | 21:55 |
| annegentle | (asking vishy ) | 21:56 |
| ttx | looks like we lost him, we'll let him answer asynchronously | 21:56 |
| ttx | #topic Horizon status | 21:56 |
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| ttx | gabrielhurley: hey | 21:56 |
| gabrielhurley | ttx: hi | 21:56 |
| ttx | #link https://launchpad.net/horizon/+milestone/folsom-rc1 | 21:56 |
| ttx | No feature freeze exception, let's look at the RC bug list... | 21:57 |
| ttx | gabrielhurley: only 8 open bugs on the RC bug list ? | 21:57 |
| gabrielhurley | there's a recent request for an FFE for quantum public network support. I haven't seen code yet, so I'm holding off on seeing how invasive it is before deciding to ask for an FFE | 21:57 |
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| ttx | gabrielhurley: good to know, thanks | 21:57 |
| gabrielhurley | and yeah, the bug list is accurate | 21:57 |
| gabrielhurley | probably handle all of it this week | 21:57 |
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| ttx | gabrielhurley: fwiw given that horizon is at the downstream of everything else it's fair that you ask a bit late | 21:58 |
| ttx | (foir FFE) | 21:58 |
| gabrielhurley | heh. thanks. | 21:58 |
| ttx | Did you go through the whole bug list to target blockers ? | 21:58 |
| ttx | I see one critical bug not targeted yet: bug 967882 | 21:58 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 967882 in horizon "Volumes, volume snapshots, instance snaphots and keypairs all show cross-tenant info when logged in as admin" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/967882 | 21:58 |
| ttx | looks like it needs to be de-prioritized or RC1-targeted :) | 21:59 |
| gabrielhurley | that one is a known issue in nova, though I hear they may have recently patched it | 21:59 |
| gabrielhurley | it's not actually a horizon fix, just a reminder | 21:59 |
| gabrielhurley | and yeah, I go through the whole backlog periodically | 21:59 |
| ttx | hmm, any way we could not keep that bug open if it's just a reminder ? | 22:00 |
| gabrielhurley | sure. I'll do something with it | 22:00 |
| ttx | On the triaging side, you look on top of it... | 22:00 |
| ttx | gabrielhurley: Anything else you wanted to mention ? | 22:00 |
| gabrielhurley | yessir | 22:00 |
| gabrielhurley | don't believe so. just test away! | 22:00 |
| ttx | Questions for Horizon ? | 22:00 |
| ttx | annegentle: looks like you'll have to ask vishy offline. Or at the Nova meeting Thursday | 22:01 |
| ttx | #topic Other Team reports | 22:01 |
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| annegentle | shall I do a creiht sigh just for the effect? | 22:01 |
| ttx | annegentle: that would do it | 22:01 |
| ttx | Any other team lead with a status report ? | 22:01 |
| annegentle | o/ | 22:01 |
| * annegentle sighs | 22:01 | |
| annegentle | As you saw from my mailing list note, now's the time to kick docs up a notch. | 22:01 |
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| vishy | annegentle: it is going to be part of the api testing i'm putting together | 22:01 |
| annegentle | We're going to be moving reviews through | 22:01 |
| annegentle | I've got a new CLI guide in review at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/11744/ | 22:01 |
| annegentle | #help Please review new CLI guide at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/11744/ | 22:02 |
| annegentle | vishy: ok, I'll also log doc bugs such as "document os-multiple-create" | 22:02 |
| markmc | ttx, just a note that openstack-common has branched for folsom | 22:02 |
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| markmc | ttx, projects should be syncing from stable/folsom until grizzly opens | 22:02 |
| ttx | #info openstack-common has branched for folsom, projects should be syncing from stable/folsom until grizzly opens | 22:02 |
| ttx | #topic Open discussion | 22:03 |
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| ttx | Anything else, anyone ? | 22:03 |
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| * ttx moves the discussion about nova bug triaging to #openstack-dev | 22:04 | |
| ttx | #endmeeting | 22:04 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Aug 21 22:04:04 2012 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:04 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack-meeting/2012/openstack-meeting.2012-08-21-21.02.html | 22:04 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack-meeting/2012/openstack-meeting.2012-08-21-21.02.txt | 22:04 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack-meeting/2012/openstack-meeting.2012-08-21-21.02.log.html | 22:04 |
| ttx | good $END_OF_DAY everyone | 22:04 |
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