Wednesday, 2012-09-12

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naswhats openstack00:53
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jgriffithcinder folks?16:07
winston-dhi john16:07
jgriffith#startmeeting cinder16:08
openstackMeeting started Wed Sep 12 16:08:05 2012 UTC.  The chair is jgriffith. Information about MeetBot at
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.16:08
openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'cinder'16:08
jgriffithHey winston-d16:08
jgriffithSorry I'm a bit late folks16:08
clayghey boss!16:08
jgriffithLost track of time this morning16:08
claygit's been one of those mornings...16:08
jgriffith*boss* makes me chuckle every time16:08
jgriffithDuncanT: Hello!!!!16:09
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jgriffithAlright, let's get started...16:09
jgriffith#topic RC1 status16:09
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jgriffithWe're shooting for tomorrow or Friday to cut cinder RC116:09
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jgriffithI'm thinking it's going to be closer to Friday morning, but I'm hopeful Fri morning at latest16:09
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jgriffithMost everything that's in the pipeline now should make it if you guys can help out with reviews16:10
jgriffithThe only one that I don't think is going to go is:16:10
* clayg mumbles something about it better not be mine16:10
jgriffiththe rename option clayg submitted16:10
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jgriffithclayg: Sorry clayg!16:11
claygwell so nova marked the bug as importance medium when I tagged it to that project?16:11
claygand since it's an additive change I *really* don't see why this can't be something that works in cinder but not in nova volumes?16:11
jgriffithclayg: well, that's a whole seperate topic and I don't necessarily disagree with you16:12
clayg*I* obviously think it's a gap in the api and should be considered a bug, but regardless it'll be helpful to folks that are stuck on folsom for the next six months if it gets in16:12
reskerjgriffith... I don't think you're supposed to defer stuff until after the PTL election closes down ;-)16:12
jgriffithresker: I actually didn't *defer* it myself16:12
claygheh, jgriffith but really?  who said that you can have anything in cinder if it can't get back into nova?16:12
reskerI know... 'tis a joke16:12
jgriffithresker: :)16:13
claygI thought the goal was to just not BREAK nova-volumes16:13
jgriffithclayg: No, unfortunately that was changed after the huge email chain a couple months ago16:13
jgriffithclayg: After the outcry from certain individuals it was decided that nova-vol and cinder had to be in sync16:14
jgriffithclayg: It's been determintal to say the least16:14
claygI think that "in sync" could be grety - but I digress16:14
jgriffithclayg: :)16:14
claygmy real question is does cinder want it's initial api to support updates or not?16:14
jgriffithclayg: So if you have a good case then present it to ttx nova core16:15
jgriffithclayg: That's another thorny issue for me16:15
claygwell I think they will agree it has to be in cinder first, and I think that's a good point16:15
jgriffithclayg: Cinder first is not a problem, I'll take the change as I said earlier16:16
jgriffithclayg: I only won't take it if nova won't take it... that's all16:16
zykes-what meeting is now ?16:16
jgriffithI'm neutral16:16
jgriffithzykes-: cinder/volumes16:16
claygok, so can anyone else look at
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zykes-Question since you're all here ?16:16
jgriffithzykes-: maybe at the end of the meeting?16:16
claygwell since they've tagged the bug I'm guessing they'd like to see it fixed, and the nova side is ready to go16:17
zykes-Ok, nice nice16:17
claygjgriffith: thanks, i'll keep working on it16:17
DuncanTclayg, I'm quite happy with that change16:17
jgriffith#action clayg sort out change for nova and let us know16:17
DuncanTI've just failed to submit my review. Sorry16:17
claygDuncanT: if you could plus 1 on it, I think i can explain to ttx/nova-core that cinder wants to merge this if the nova side can land16:17
DuncanTclayg: Done16:18
jgriffithSo we'll say that one is still under consideration16:18
* clayg hugs EVERYONE!16:18
jgriffithMy next question....16:18
jgriffithIs there anything anybody has squirled away they were going to spring on me today or tomorrow?16:18
jgriffithOther than critical bugs?16:18
jgriffiththat haven't been found yet :)16:18
* jgriffith is holding his breath16:19
DuncanTI've got a slight change to Josh's driver addition16:19
DuncanTBut I've screwed up my unit tests16:19
jgriffithDuncanT: On Josh's already submitted version?16:19
DuncanTIf it doesn't make it, I won't cry, it /could/ wait til 'g' but it would be nice16:19
jgriffithie already merged?16:19
jgriffithWhat's the addition?16:20
DuncanTjgriffith: Yeah... his version is no use if you use provider location/auth16:20
claygi'm confused aboutwhat's going on with this api validation/openstack.common massive fix16:20
DuncanTSo I changed return boolean to return db update, same as the other create methods, and raise an exception if it didn't work16:20
jgriffithDuncanT: Ok, file a bug against cinder and nova for it and submit ASAP16:20
claygfrom mark... dunno if anyone else had been looking at it... I think he's doing the work on most projects16:21
DuncanTjgriffith: Will do, cheers16:21
jgriffithclayg: yeah....16:21
jgriffithSo, that exercise is trying to catch up cinder to all of the changes that have been made in nova and specifically common16:21
claygjgriffith: are you working on 'stuck in deleting (vol-manager restart)' and 'stuck in attaching'?16:22
claygoic, ok well, so that's on the radar, very good16:22
jgriffithclayg: I'm hoping to get back to it.  I've been messing with the snapshot delete issue again16:22
claygyeah i saw the revert :(16:22
jgriffithSaving that for it's own topic16:22
jgriffithAnybody else have anything that they're head will explode if they don't get it in RC116:23
jgriffithyeah... change the topic quick!16:23
jgriffith#topic snapshot-delete16:23
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claygdoes ack :\16:23
reskerbswartz isn't here, but I think we're good... I'll ask him to get in touch if he disagrees16:24
jgriffithresker: Send me a note and let me know if something comes up16:24
reskerwill do... thanks16:24
jgriffithI think everything he had was in line at F3 timeframe so should be good16:24
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jgriffithahead of schedule :)16:24
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jgriffithSo on the delete16:24
jgriffithThe work around of zeroing out on volume create was a valiant effort16:25
jgriffithand for the most part it did skirt the issue16:25
jgriffithThere were some things I didn't like though....16:25
jgriffith1. We should get the kernel issue fixed16:25
jgriffith2. The hang although extermely rare in this case did pop up in a loop test of 100 runs16:26
jgriffith3. volumes sit in creating state FOREVER and can't be used/mounted16:26
jgriffithTBH 3 was the big issue in my mind16:26
jgriffithFolks are used to being able to create/attach right away and I think this would cause serious complaints16:27
jgriffithAlso the other PTL's didn't like this work around :(16:27
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jgriffithSo, we have a kernel bug logged against Ubuntu16:27
jgriffithI've tested it on Fedora with kernel 3.4.4 and no problems16:27
jgriffithI'm working on installing a new kernel on my ubuntu system just to verify16:28
jgriffiththen maybe the kernel guys can diff the versions or find a kernel patch to fix16:28
jgriffithAny questions?  Ideas?16:28
jgriffithAnybody care?16:28
DuncanTNot massively bothered personally since I don't use that storage backend16:29
winston-dif it's a kernel bug, it is _not_ our bug16:29
DuncanTKernel fix would be nice but currently it means devstack can hang, no?16:29
jgriffithwinston-d: agreee... but it makes us NOT work which is bad16:29
DuncanTHanging devstack is probably a bad thing16:29
jgriffithDuncanT: Worse than that it hangs the kernel completely on that system16:29
claygjgriffith: can you like the ubuntu bug?16:30
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jgriffithclayg: It's linked to the original bug... lemme grab the LP id16:30
claygI was trolling all the lp bugs related to this issue and there was some vauage references to ML threads about maybe an issue with clustered lvm (clvm) - but I"m not sure I really see the bug16:30
claygwriting a bunch of zeros to the snapshot meta device is just going to be slow and eventually lead to blkio errors16:31
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1023755 in nova "Unable to delete the volume snapshot" [Critical,In progress]16:31
claygso yeah, the cinder bug, where's the ubuntu bug?16:31
jgriffithclayg: linux(Ubuntu) was added on top of it16:32
jgriffithThis is how the cannonical guys chose to deal with it so... :)16:32
claygoic, undecided/unassigned :\16:32
jgriffithIf I get some more solid info today I'll file another one against them only16:32
jgriffithclayg: Yeah... not good16:32
jgriffithHonestly I don't know what we can do other than document the issue and  move on16:33
claygI think they'll probably want to see the issue reproduced outside of openstack?16:33
jgriffithclayg: Yep, that's what I'm working on today16:33
claygjgriffith: fine by me, don't use this driver16:33
jgriffithOk... anything else or shall we try and forget this one for a few minutes :)16:33
* jgriffith is moving onward...16:34
jgriffith#topic reviews16:34
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jgriffithMy favorite subject :)16:34
jgriffithPlease go here:,n,z16:34
jgriffithAnd pick some reviews and enjoy :)16:35
DuncanTThousands of the little buggers again...16:35
jgriffithSpecifically I have a few that haven't been looked at by anyone :(16:35
jgriffithDuncanT: Yes, it's been a productive week again :)16:35
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jgriffithMany of them are small changes though, so it's not so bad16:35
jgriffithSome I can push through on my own but I don't like doing that16:36
jgriffithAnd I definitely can't do that with ones that I comitted... so please help out if you can16:36
DuncanTOk, will worth though a  few this evening and carry on in the morning16:36
claygyeah I can do that today, I want to look at quota's anyway16:36
jgriffithLike I said last week to somebody... he who has the most reviews gets free beer from me at the summit ;)16:36
claygpoor Vincent just keeps pushing that iscsi supoort :(16:37
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claygoh yeah!  where's the leader board?  +2 ALL THE THINGS!16:37
jgriffithclayg: yeah, but I think he and are on the same page, he just wants to keep the patch alive so when we're ready to push to G it'll be set16:37
claygoic, very good then16:38
jgriffithSo that's about all I have I think...16:38
jgriffithReviews and testing!16:38
jgriffithRemember, anything that goes in Cinder has to go in Nova :(16:38
claygoh nice so there _is_ a quota management api?16:38
jgriffithclayg: Yep, been hanging in there for a while16:39
zykes-does Cinder work with XenServer ?16:39
jgriffithclayg: I was crushed after how long it took to get that thing to work and it never got a review :(16:39
jgriffithzykes-: parts... that brings up a new topic :)16:39
jgriffith#topic xen16:39
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winston-dI've just submit the patch for scheduling based on volume type. if you have spare time and want to see what's been messed-up by me, you might want to take a look at that.16:40
jgriffithSo I'm not a xen expert.. I was hoping renuka would be around but not here this week16:40
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winston-di think as long as cinder is in-synch with nova-volume, it should work with xenserver.16:41
jgriffithwinston-d: :)  Not messed up *fixed*16:41
jgriffithSo... sorry, got pulled away16:41
jgriffithHere's the deal16:41
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claygi don't know how I missed it16:41
jgriffithIf you're talking xen using cinder/volumes as it did in nova it works as always16:41
jgriffithIf you're talking the various xen-sm layers that's a different story16:42
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jgriffithrenuka made some major changes to nova but not to cinder16:42
jgriffithShe was of the opinon that she wouldn't make those changes to cinder16:42
ogelbukhwinston-d: is this change specific to xensm api?16:42
jgriffithclayg: don't say a thing16:42
winston-dogelbukh, no, of course not.16:43
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jgriffithogelbukh: that would've been too easy16:43
claygno one uses xensm, best i can tell its a wip16:43
zykes-xensm ?16:43
jgriffithclayg: that's what renukas logic was :)16:43
jgriffithzykes-: xen storage manager16:43
ogelbukhwinston-d: could you please share a link to that change?16:44
claygi'll get hyper-v'd from nova at some point, and citrix will try to hack it into cinder16:44
zykes-clayg: hyper-v'd ?16:44
winston-dogelbukh, sure.
claygzykes-: wasn't it hyper-v that got ripped out from nova last release for not working?  (I know it recently got readded)16:45
DuncanTwinston-d: I don't have permission to view that16:45
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ogelbukhoh, me too16:46
winston-dwell, let me re-submit it again.16:46
jgriffithclayg: yes, correct :)16:46
jgriffith#topic open discussion16:47
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ogelbukhwinston-d: thanks for i16:47
jgriffithAnybody have anything they want to bring up real quick?16:47
claygsomehow i get an app error clicking on that link - what change is this?16:47
reskerHey, jgriffith, FYI, just replied to your PTL candidacy mail on the wider openstack list.  Had meant to send the questions earlier...16:47
zykes-so will cinder work fine with xen ?16:47
reskerWe've a bunch of stuff queued up to submit against Grizzly once it becomes available.16:47
claygzykes-: yes, raw iscsi sr's work fine16:48
jgriffithresker: Thanks... I'll check it out ad get a response out to you shortly16:48
ogelbukhquick question: is there a blueprint to port FilterScheduler to Cinder/Nova volume in folsom or Grizzly?16:48
reskercool, thanks16:48
jgriffithresker: cool!16:48
zykes-clayg: what others are there ?16:48
claygrdb, ceph, xensm16:48
reskerbtw, when do we think grizzly will open up?16:48
winston-dogelbukh, DuncanT please check again.16:48
zykes-clayg: can''t ceph with xen ?16:49
claygogelbukh: I think someone was working on a types scheduler, I think we would piggy back on that with something *like* filter scheduler16:49
ogelbukhactually, it's winston-d's change16:49
zykes-jgriffith: my question was will there be multi volume backend in Folsom ?16:49
claygzykes-: never tried, maybe you have to get the ceph stuff plugged into dom0 - maybe that works?16:49
jgriffithresker: depends on how the rest of this week and next go16:49
reskerI thought that got deferred.16:49
jgriffithzykes-: no16:49
zykes-jgriffith: so sad :(16:49
jgriffithzykes-: agreed16:49
zykes-jgriffith: reason beeing ?16:50
DuncanTwinston-d: That's better, cheers16:50
jgriffithzykes-: long story16:50
claygis it really that long?  I haven't seen a purposed impl16:50
jgriffithzykes-: I'd like to have a summit sesssion dedicated to this topic16:50
winston-dzykes-, actually you can have multiple backends, but the problem is scheduler (for now) can't tell the difference between them.16:50
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jgriffithwinston-d: yes, sorry... didn't mean to leave out the work you've been doing on that :)16:51
claygdeployers can write their own scheduler...16:51
reskerjgriffith: agreed a session is in order...16:51
jgriffithzykes-: the problem with that method is it means a physical/seperate cinder node for each backend16:51
zykes-jgriffith: why's it such a big deal ? I mean it makes sense to have that..16:51
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zykes-jgriffith: wouldn't it be like you have in "Quantum" like flavours or similar ?16:52
jgriffithzykes-: There is disagreeement in whether it's necessary and how it should be implemented16:52
claygQuantum supports flavours?!16:52
jgriffithzykes-: You're pinging the wrong guy... it was something I really wanted in Folsom16:52
zykes-clayg: using the MetaPlugin yes.16:52
jgriffithSo... speaking of summit16:52
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DuncanTzykes-: Read the logs for teh last four or so weeks16:52
jgriffithIf you have session proposals get them in!16:53
jgriffithDuncanT: :)16:53
zykes-DuncanT: no thank you .16:53
zykes-But yes, you can mix multi-agents for Quantum using the MetaPlugin16:53
zykes-or "plugins" if you will16:53
ogelbukhthen another small question16:53
jgriffithAlso.. just my own personal pitch, I have a proposal for the conference... if you want please vote for it :)16:53
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claygcan we vote already?!16:53
winston-djgriffith, already done16:54
ogelbukhis scheduler_hint supported in this change?16:54
DuncanTclayg: Yes16:54
jgriffithclayg: for conference stuff yes16:54
winston-dogelbukh, yes, i think so16:54
zykes-DuncanT: can you summarize why it didn't get in in short ? ;)16:54
claygwait, is this the right site to submit too ->
jgriffithzykes-: I'll catch up with you after the meeting if you'd like16:54
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ogelbukhwinston-d: yes, now I can see16:54
jgriffithI need to run to a meeting... but will be back in 1/2 hour or so16:54
zykes-jgriffith: yes please :)16:55
zykes-ping me then :)16:55
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claygwhere should I got to vote on purposed sessions?  I don't see anything from jgriff on summit.openstack.org16:55
winston-dso guys, please give me comments, especially on do we need a standard format for driver/backend to report their capabilities.16:56
reskerclayg: the is for the design summit track16:56
claygummm... isn't that what we want?16:57
jgriffithI'm talking conf side16:57
reskerclayg: the general session speaking slots can be voted on here:16:57
jgriffithresker: :)16:57
reskersorry... jgriffith quicker on the draw16:57
jgriffithresker: Nice work :)16:57
zykes-For me (As a operations / developer) person I can say surely that there's many cases where having multiple different storage techs available in the same cluster can be __really__ handy just to state the fact.16:58
jgriffith1. reviews, reviews, reviews16:58
jgriffith2. propose summit topics16:58
reskerzykes: run multiple Cinder instances, no?16:58
jgriffith3. test16:58
zykes-resker: run 1 instance.16:58
DuncanTzykes-: There's plenty of support for the concept, just not an agreement on how it should work16:59
jgriffithzykes-: Nobody in this group is going to argue against that16:59
reskerzykes:  this seems like a debate best hashed out in a summit session!16:59
jgriffithzykes-: I don't know how much more clearly I have to say that we AGREE with you16:59
claygI think it would be great to have working to code to discuss at the summit16:59
zykes-resker: will you fly me over ? :)16:59
jgriffithAlright, we seem to have lost productivity and I need to get going17:00
jgriffithThank you very much to EVERYONE17:00
winston-dclayg, I'll make sure it works before summit, please help review:
jgriffithNot only for the participation in this weeks meeting...17:00
claygwill do17:00
jgriffithBut all of the hard work the past couple of weeks!!17:00
jgriffith#end meeting17:00
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nijaba#startmeeting Ceilometer21:00
nijaba#meetingtopic Ceilometer21:00
nijaba#chair nijaba21:00
openstackMeeting started Wed Sep 12 21:00:17 2012 UTC.  The chair is nijaba. Information about MeetBot at
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.21:00
openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'ceilometer'21:00
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openstackCurrent chairs: nijaba21:00
nijabaHello everyone! Show of hands, who is around for the ceilometer meeting?21:00
asalkeldasalkeld, here21:00
nijabadhellmann: will try to join us in a bit21:01
nijaba#topic actions from previous meeting21:01
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nijaba#topic nijaba to see with ttx how our sessions can be shown on official program21:01
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nijabaWe did have an email thread with Thierry and Lauren, we'll have a meeting room dedicated to Ceilometer for half a day and our sessions will be described on the global agenda.  The same will happen for swift and both sets of sessions will be in an incubation track.21:01
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nijabaI think that's pretty good, what do you think?21:02
asalkeldyea, great21:02
nijabaduh, I wrote swift!!  I meant heat!21:02
nijabaof course21:02
notmynameheh, ok :-)21:03
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jtranthat's what i was thinking.  "swift" ?21:03
nijabalong day, sorry21:03
nijaba#topic nijaba to update meeting page to note new alternating meeting time21:03
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nijabaThat was done.  However, it seems that Angus is  about to go for a long due vacation, so it might make sense to not use the alternate meeting while he won't be around.21:03
nijabaThoughts about this?21:03
spn22.30 AM here.. :)21:04
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asalkeldsorry spn221:04
spn2:) np21:04
nijabaWell, I have been up for 20h :D21:04
jd___time for a party!21:04
nijabaso, asalkeld you will be gone until the summit, right?21:05
asalkeldleave on sunday21:05
nijabaso, anyone wanting that we maintain this alt meeting time while asalkeld is going around the world?21:06
jtrani like this meeting time.21:07
nijabaquick vote?21:07
jtranspn2:  I can't blame  you21:08
nijaba#vote should we maintain alt meet time for the next month? yes, no, bleh21:08
nijaba#startvote should we maintain alt meet time for the next month? yes, no, bleh21:08
openstackBegin voting on: should we maintain alt meet time for the next month? Valid vote options are yes, no, bleh.21:08
openstackVote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts.21:08
nijaba#vote bleh21:08
spn2#vote no21:08
jtran#vote yes21:09
jd___#vote no21:09
asalkeldI'll stay out of it21:09
jtrani actually don't mind if we don't keep it.  i just wanted to see how voting works.21:10
openstackVoted on "should we maintain alt meet time for the next month?" Results are21:10
openstackyes (1): jtran21:10
openstackbleh (1): nijaba21:10
openstackno (2): spn2, jd___21:10
nijaba#topic gmb to a plan on the ml with fixed dates21:10
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nijabaAn email was sent today to the ml.  The proposed milestones are:21:10
nijaba - Feature freeze for 0.1 QA: 2012-09-2821:10
nijaba - Release: 2012-10-1221:10
asalkeldno objections21:11
asalkeldrelease often21:11
spn2is a good idea21:12
nijabaok, I'll mark that as agreed then21:12
nijaba#agreed 0.1 feature freeze will take effect on 2012-09-2821:12
nijaba#agreed 0.1 release date will be  2012-10-1221:12
nijaba#topic dhellmann make sure flask is listed as a dependency of ceilometer21:12
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nijabaDoug was not sure to be back on time for the meeting, but he wrote on to the ml that he did check that Flask is listed in the tools/pip-requires file. It is pegged to version 0.9.21:12
spn2It is listed21:12
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nijabaWe did not seem to have any other topic on the agenda....21:13
nijaba#topic Open Discusssion21:13
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jtranwanted to bring up the issue of prioritized tickets.  most of them are wishlist.21:13
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nijabajtran: what would you think we should have?  more bugs?21:14
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nijabaI mean real ones?21:14
jtranwell, don't features get prioritized too?21:14
jtranfeatures are lumped together w/ bugs right21:15
nijabaI am not sure lp allows to make a distinction between the two21:15
jd___it would be better to implement features than bugs21:15
nijabawishlist is how you mark a bug that is a feature request21:15
asalkeldshouldn't features be blueprints?21:15
jd___asalkeld: probably21:15
asalkeldwell big ones21:16
nijabaasalkeld: depends on the depth of the feature21:16
spn2do they need to be large in size for blueprints21:16
asalkeldyeti features21:16
jtranoh sometimes when i worked on nova, i would see feature requests as bugs bug they were classified w/ priority level often if was a highly desired feature21:16
nijabaI would say that a plueprint is usefull if it is going to be supported, or is the result of a discussion21:16
jtranso i'm just thinking of that paradigm21:16
asalkeldthe other issue is it depends on the developer21:16
asalkeldso a high prio to might not be a high prio for me21:17
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asalkeldso a high prio to you might not be a high prio for me21:17
jtranright, i guess that would be a job for milestones then?21:17
dhellmannI was confused about the distinction between bugs and blueprints, too, so just opened everything as bugs for now21:18
nijabaasalkeld: the prio only matters as much as we find implementors for the feature ;)21:18
jtrannijaba: understood21:18
nijabaceilometer, as a whole, started as a blueprint21:18
nijabacomplex features, that needs a lot of discussions, warrant a blueprint21:19
spn2rest can just be bugs?21:19
nijababut if we just want a quick way to know what is on the todo list, bugs are cool, I think21:19
dhellmannright, it will be easier to see an overview of everything if the work items all appear on one list :-)21:20
nijabaI mean, there is no absolute rule about this.  Each project generally defines its practices21:20
jtransounds good21:21
spn2consolidated list is good I think21:21
jtranmaybe i can rephrase, what's the area of dev I should be looking at most right now?21:21
nijabaasalkeld: thinking about it, I think the beyond metering wiki page should turn into a blueprint before the summit21:21
asalkeldok nijaba I can do that21:22
dhellmannjtran: yes, anything that feeds data into the system21:22
jtrandhellmann: ok.21:22
jtranmoar data!21:22
nijabajtran: is a good list of highest prios21:22
dhellmannpollsters, listeners, etc.21:22
jtrannijaba: thanks for reminding me about that21:22
dhellmannthat blueprint will make it way way simpler to add event listeners21:23
dhellmannunfortunately the details are still just in my head21:23
jtrandhellmann:  got it21:23
dhellmann#action dhellmann write up details of blueprint
jtrandhellmann: right, i have a lot of reading up to do on plugins.21:23
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nijabaasalkeld: it might be worth mentioning the link you gave on the chan just before the meeting.  That's an excellent start for the discussion/blueprint21:24
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nijabawhich asalkeld will merge into
asalkeldit's somewhat done21:25
asalkeldjust fighting with formatting21:26
jtranon the roadmap, metering network bandwidth is 'done' but it actually is only "half done" .  I only implemented the internet network pollster not the external network.21:26
nijabayou gotta love moinmoin21:26
nijabajtran: please feel free to update :)21:26
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jd___jtran: do you think the missing part should be addressed in nova-network or quantum, finally?21:27
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jtranjd___: I don't know much about quantum , unfortunately21:29
dhellmannasalkeld and nijaba : did we decide to put alarms in ceilometer, then?21:29
dhellmannor is that just for discussion?21:29
nijabadhellmann: no, this is just a blueprint proposal for the summit21:29
nijabadhellmann: I think the decision is to be made at the summit21:29
dhellmannok, thanks for clarifying21:29
jtranjd___:  the method in the wiki described for implementing external network via nova-network via iptables accounting is difficult, from the last time i looked at it.21:29
jtraniptables accounting in oneiric and precise is all sorts of broken21:30
nijabajtran: yes, this is I think the hardest pollster to implement, and jd___ and I have known that since the beginning...21:30
jd___jtran: I agree that's not an easy path, but I don't know about Quantum either, but I sense that the place it should be implemented21:30
jd___nijaba: shhhht, that's way I'm trying to make jtran look at it!21:31
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jtranjd___: lol21:31
nijabajtran: bug ref on the problems you mention? and is it fixed in previse?21:31
jtranjd___:  i doubt i am the right person in this group to be looking at the hardest problems21:31
jd___jtran: :-)21:32
jtranthe bug ref  is for network pollster in general…  both ext and int.21:32
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1004449 in ceilometer "Pollster for network traffic" [Wishlist,Fix committed]21:32
nijabajtran: it is really up to you.21:32
jtranand i only did the internal part.   nijaba  : i don't mind looking at it21:32
dhellmannjtran: based on the work you've done on the database backend, I think you underestimate yourself21:32
jtranwill try my best :)  dhellmann , most of that was copy and paste from nova and then shoehorn.21:32
dhellmannjtran: you can split that bug into 2 tickets if it's easier for tracking21:32
jtranit was a huge challenge though never touching sqlalchemy nor mongo, but thanks for your words of encouragement.  n21:33
jtrandhellmann: yes will do21:33
* jd___ agrees21:33
* nijaba applauds jtran's work AND modesty21:34
dhellmannjtran: I'm just learning sqlalchemy myself, so I asked a couple of co-workers to provide some feedback, too21:35
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jtrandhellmann:  sqlalchemy is no walk in the park!21:35
jtranlearning curve is huge!21:35
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dhellmannjtran: no kidding21:35
dhellmannjd___: it's called "collaboration" ;-)21:35
jd___dhellmann: ;)21:36
jtrani had worked w/ ActiveRecord though thankfully, it does have some similarities altho i'm not expert at AR either21:36
spn2rails3 - activerecord21:36
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* nijaba has not touch a db interface since odbc was the hype thing, or almost....21:37
jtranlol odbc21:37
jtranwindows nt4?21:37
nijabanah, mac os at the time21:37
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nijabaok, looks like we are running out of subject21:39
nijabashould we wrap for today?21:39
dhellmannI think we're done21:40
nijabaok!  Thanks everyone!21:40
nijaba#agreed next meeting thu sept 20 at 15UTC!21:40
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openstackMinutes (text):
spn2have a good evening..21:41
nijabagood night too!21:41
dhellmannyou, too!21:42
jd___good night everybody!21:42
asalkeldand thx for the meeting time21:42
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asalkeldreally appreciate it21:42
nijabaasalkeld: enjoy your vacation!  see you in SD21:43
asalkeldya, see you there21:43
spn2asalkeld: are you presenting in the summit?21:43
asalkeldthe monitoring in ceilometer21:44
asalkeldtogether with nijaba?21:44
spn2good luck in the summit..21:44
spn2is there any video recording.. for people who cannot attend?21:44
spn2uploaded to youtube or elsewhere?21:44
nijabaand dhellmann and anyone that cares, as it will be more a workshio thant a pres...21:44
nijabaspn2: not for all meetings, no21:45
spn2that interactive discussion is the fun part..21:45
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