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| jgriffith | cinder folks? | 16:07 |
| winston-d | hi john | 16:07 |
| jgriffith | #startmeeting cinder | 16:08 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Sep 12 16:08:05 2012 UTC. The chair is jgriffith. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:08 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:08 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'cinder' | 16:08 |
| jgriffith | Hey winston-d | 16:08 |
| jgriffith | Sorry I'm a bit late folks | 16:08 |
| clayg | hey boss! | 16:08 |
| jgriffith | Lost track of time this morning | 16:08 |
| clayg | it's been one of those mornings... | 16:08 |
| jgriffith | *boss* makes me chuckle every time | 16:08 |
| DuncanT | Hey | 16:08 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: Hello!!!! | 16:09 |
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| jgriffith | Alright, let's get started... | 16:09 |
| jgriffith | #topic RC1 status | 16:09 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "RC1 status" | 16:09 | |
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| jgriffith | We're shooting for tomorrow or Friday to cut cinder RC1 | 16:09 |
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| jgriffith | I'm thinking it's going to be closer to Friday morning, but I'm hopeful Fri morning at latest | 16:09 |
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| jgriffith | Most everything that's in the pipeline now should make it if you guys can help out with reviews | 16:10 |
| jgriffith | The only one that I don't think is going to go is: | 16:10 |
| * clayg mumbles something about it better not be mine | 16:10 | |
| jgriffith | the rename option clayg submitted | 16:10 |
| clayg | damnit! | 16:10 |
| * jgriffith runs and hides | 16:11 | |
| jgriffith | clayg: Sorry clayg! | 16:11 |
| clayg | well so nova marked the bug as importance medium when I tagged it to that project? | 16:11 |
| clayg | and since it's an additive change I *really* don't see why this can't be something that works in cinder but not in nova volumes? | 16:11 |
| jgriffith | clayg: well, that's a whole seperate topic and I don't necessarily disagree with you | 16:12 |
| clayg | *I* obviously think it's a gap in the api and should be considered a bug, but regardless it'll be helpful to folks that are stuck on folsom for the next six months if it gets in | 16:12 |
| resker | jgriffith... I don't think you're supposed to defer stuff until after the PTL election closes down ;-) | 16:12 |
| jgriffith | resker: I actually didn't *defer* it myself | 16:12 |
| clayg | heh, jgriffith but really? who said that you can have anything in cinder if it can't get back into nova? | 16:12 |
| resker | I know... 'tis a joke | 16:12 |
| jgriffith | resker: :) | 16:13 |
| clayg | I thought the goal was to just not BREAK nova-volumes | 16:13 |
| jgriffith | clayg: No, unfortunately that was changed after the huge email chain a couple months ago | 16:13 |
| jgriffith | clayg: After the outcry from certain individuals it was decided that nova-vol and cinder had to be in sync | 16:14 |
| jgriffith | clayg: It's been determintal to say the least | 16:14 |
| jgriffith | IMO | 16:14 |
| clayg | I think that "in sync" could be grety - but I digress | 16:14 |
| clayg | *grey | 16:14 |
| jgriffith | clayg: :) | 16:14 |
| clayg | my real question is does cinder want it's initial api to support updates or not? | 16:14 |
| jgriffith | clayg: So if you have a good case then present it to ttx nova core | 16:15 |
| jgriffith | clayg: That's another thorny issue for me | 16:15 |
| clayg | well I think they will agree it has to be in cinder first, and I think that's a good point | 16:15 |
| jgriffith | clayg: Cinder first is not a problem, I'll take the change as I said earlier | 16:16 |
| jgriffith | clayg: I only won't take it if nova won't take it... that's all | 16:16 |
| zykes- | what meeting is now ? | 16:16 |
| jgriffith | I'm neutral | 16:16 |
| jgriffith | zykes-: cinder/volumes | 16:16 |
| clayg | ok, so can anyone else look at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/12067/ | 16:16 |
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| zykes- | Question since you're all here ? | 16:16 |
| jgriffith | zykes-: maybe at the end of the meeting? | 16:16 |
| clayg | well since they've tagged the bug I'm guessing they'd like to see it fixed, and the nova side is ready to go | 16:17 |
| zykes- | Ok, nice nice | 16:17 |
| clayg | jgriffith: thanks, i'll keep working on it | 16:17 |
| jgriffith | alright... | 16:17 |
| DuncanT | clayg, I'm quite happy with that change | 16:17 |
| jgriffith | #action clayg sort out change for nova and let us know | 16:17 |
| DuncanT | I've just failed to submit my review. Sorry | 16:17 |
| clayg | DuncanT: if you could plus 1 on it, I think i can explain to ttx/nova-core that cinder wants to merge this if the nova side can land | 16:17 |
| DuncanT | clayg: Done | 16:18 |
| jgriffith | So we'll say that one is still under consideration | 16:18 |
| * clayg hugs EVERYONE! | 16:18 | |
| jgriffith | My next question.... | 16:18 |
| jgriffith | Is there anything anybody has squirled away they were going to spring on me today or tomorrow? | 16:18 |
| jgriffith | Other than critical bugs? | 16:18 |
| jgriffith | that haven't been found yet :) | 16:18 |
| * jgriffith is holding his breath | 16:19 | |
| DuncanT | I've got a slight change to Josh's driver addition | 16:19 |
| DuncanT | But I've screwed up my unit tests | 16:19 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: On Josh's already submitted version? | 16:19 |
| DuncanT | If it doesn't make it, I won't cry, it /could/ wait til 'g' but it would be nice | 16:19 |
| jgriffith | ie already merged? | 16:19 |
| jgriffith | What's the addition? | 16:20 |
| DuncanT | jgriffith: Yeah... his version is no use if you use provider location/auth | 16:20 |
| clayg | i'm confused aboutwhat's going on with this api validation/openstack.common massive fix | 16:20 |
| DuncanT | So I changed return boolean to return db update, same as the other create methods, and raise an exception if it didn't work | 16:20 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: Ok, file a bug against cinder and nova for it and submit ASAP | 16:20 |
| clayg | from mark... dunno if anyone else had been looking at it... I think he's doing the work on most projects | 16:21 |
| DuncanT | jgriffith: Will do, cheers | 16:21 |
| jgriffith | clayg: yeah.... | 16:21 |
| jgriffith | So, that exercise is trying to catch up cinder to all of the changes that have been made in nova and specifically common | 16:21 |
| clayg | jgriffith: are you working on 'stuck in deleting (vol-manager restart)' and 'stuck in attaching'? | 16:22 |
| clayg | oic, ok well, so that's on the radar, very good | 16:22 |
| jgriffith | clayg: I'm hoping to get back to it. I've been messing with the snapshot delete issue again | 16:22 |
| clayg | yeah i saw the revert :( | 16:22 |
| jgriffith | Saving that for it's own topic | 16:22 |
| jgriffith | :) | 16:22 |
| jgriffith | Anybody else have anything that they're head will explode if they don't get it in RC1 | 16:23 |
| jgriffith | s/they're/their/ | 16:23 |
| jgriffith | yeah... change the topic quick! | 16:23 |
| jgriffith | #topic snapshot-delete | 16:23 |
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| clayg | does ack :\ | 16:23 |
| resker | bswartz isn't here, but I think we're good... I'll ask him to get in touch if he disagrees | 16:24 |
| jgriffith | resker: Send me a note and let me know if something comes up | 16:24 |
| resker | will do... thanks | 16:24 |
| jgriffith | I think everything he had was in line at F3 timeframe so should be good | 16:24 |
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| resker | yep | 16:24 |
| jgriffith | ahead of schedule :) | 16:24 |
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| jgriffith | So on the delete | 16:24 |
| jgriffith | The work around of zeroing out on volume create was a valiant effort | 16:25 |
| jgriffith | and for the most part it did skirt the issue | 16:25 |
| jgriffith | There were some things I didn't like though.... | 16:25 |
| jgriffith | 1. We should get the kernel issue fixed | 16:25 |
| jgriffith | 2. The hang although extermely rare in this case did pop up in a loop test of 100 runs | 16:26 |
| jgriffith | 3. volumes sit in creating state FOREVER and can't be used/mounted | 16:26 |
| jgriffith | TBH 3 was the big issue in my mind | 16:26 |
| jgriffith | Folks are used to being able to create/attach right away and I think this would cause serious complaints | 16:27 |
| jgriffith | Also the other PTL's didn't like this work around :( | 16:27 |
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| jgriffith | So, we have a kernel bug logged against Ubuntu | 16:27 |
| jgriffith | I've tested it on Fedora with kernel 3.4.4 and no problems | 16:27 |
| jgriffith | I'm working on installing a new kernel on my ubuntu system just to verify | 16:28 |
| jgriffith | then maybe the kernel guys can diff the versions or find a kernel patch to fix | 16:28 |
| jgriffith | Any questions? Ideas? | 16:28 |
| jgriffith | Anybody care? | 16:28 |
| jgriffith | :) | 16:28 |
| DuncanT | Not massively bothered personally since I don't use that storage backend | 16:29 |
| jgriffith | :) | 16:29 |
| winston-d | if it's a kernel bug, it is _not_ our bug | 16:29 |
| DuncanT | Kernel fix would be nice but currently it means devstack can hang, no? | 16:29 |
| jgriffith | winston-d: agreee... but it makes us NOT work which is bad | 16:29 |
| DuncanT | Hanging devstack is probably a bad thing | 16:29 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: Worse than that it hangs the kernel completely on that system | 16:29 |
| clayg | jgriffith: can you like the ubuntu bug? | 16:30 |
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| jgriffith | clayg: It's linked to the original bug... lemme grab the LP id | 16:30 |
| clayg | I was trolling all the lp bugs related to this issue and there was some vauage references to ML threads about maybe an issue with clustered lvm (clvm) - but I"m not sure I really see the bug | 16:30 |
| jgriffith | https://bugs.launchpad.net/cinder/+bug/1023755 | 16:31 |
| clayg | writing a bunch of zeros to the snapshot meta device is just going to be slow and eventually lead to blkio errors | 16:31 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1023755 in nova "Unable to delete the volume snapshot" [Critical,In progress] | 16:31 |
| clayg | so yeah, the cinder bug, where's the ubuntu bug? | 16:31 |
| jgriffith | clayg: linux(Ubuntu) was added on top of it | 16:32 |
| jgriffith | This is how the cannonical guys chose to deal with it so... :) | 16:32 |
| clayg | oic, undecided/unassigned :\ | 16:32 |
| jgriffith | If I get some more solid info today I'll file another one against them only | 16:32 |
| jgriffith | clayg: Yeah... not good | 16:32 |
| jgriffith | Honestly I don't know what we can do other than document the issue and move on | 16:33 |
| clayg | I think they'll probably want to see the issue reproduced outside of openstack? | 16:33 |
| jgriffith | clayg: Yep, that's what I'm working on today | 16:33 |
| clayg | jgriffith: fine by me, don't use this driver | 16:33 |
| jgriffith | :) | 16:33 |
| jgriffith | Ok... anything else or shall we try and forget this one for a few minutes :) | 16:33 |
| * jgriffith is moving onward... | 16:34 | |
| jgriffith | #topic reviews | 16:34 |
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| jgriffith | My favorite subject :) | 16:34 |
| jgriffith | Please go here: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+cinder,n,z | 16:34 |
| jgriffith | And pick some reviews and enjoy :) | 16:35 |
| DuncanT | Thousands of the little buggers again... | 16:35 |
| jgriffith | Specifically I have a few that haven't been looked at by anyone :( | 16:35 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: Yes, it's been a productive week again :) | 16:35 |
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| jgriffith | Many of them are small changes though, so it's not so bad | 16:35 |
| jgriffith | Some I can push through on my own but I don't like doing that | 16:36 |
| jgriffith | And I definitely can't do that with ones that I comitted... so please help out if you can | 16:36 |
| DuncanT | Ok, will worth though a few this evening and carry on in the morning | 16:36 |
| jgriffith | :) | 16:36 |
| clayg | yeah I can do that today, I want to look at quota's anyway | 16:36 |
| jgriffith | Like I said last week to somebody... he who has the most reviews gets free beer from me at the summit ;) | 16:36 |
| clayg | poor Vincent just keeps pushing that iscsi supoort :( | 16:37 |
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| clayg | oh yeah! where's the leader board? +2 ALL THE THINGS! | 16:37 |
| jgriffith | clayg: yeah, but I think he and are on the same page, he just wants to keep the patch alive so when we're ready to push to G it'll be set | 16:37 |
| clayg | oic, very good then | 16:38 |
| jgriffith | So that's about all I have I think... | 16:38 |
| jgriffith | Reviews and testing! | 16:38 |
| jgriffith | Remember, anything that goes in Cinder has to go in Nova :( | 16:38 |
| clayg | oh nice so there _is_ a quota management api? | 16:38 |
| jgriffith | clayg: Yep, been hanging in there for a while | 16:39 |
| zykes- | does Cinder work with XenServer ? | 16:39 |
| jgriffith | clayg: I was crushed after how long it took to get that thing to work and it never got a review :( | 16:39 |
| jgriffith | zykes-: parts... that brings up a new topic :) | 16:39 |
| jgriffith | #topic xen | 16:39 |
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| zykes- | :/ | 16:40 |
| winston-d | I've just submit the patch for scheduling based on volume type. if you have spare time and want to see what's been messed-up by me, you might want to take a look at that. | 16:40 |
| jgriffith | So I'm not a xen expert.. I was hoping renuka would be around but not here this week | 16:40 |
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| winston-d | i think as long as cinder is in-synch with nova-volume, it should work with xenserver. | 16:41 |
| jgriffith | winston-d: :) Not messed up *fixed* | 16:41 |
| jgriffith | So... sorry, got pulled away | 16:41 |
| jgriffith | Here's the deal | 16:41 |
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| clayg | i don't know how I missed it | 16:41 |
| jgriffith | If you're talking xen using cinder/volumes as it did in nova it works as always | 16:41 |
| jgriffith | If you're talking the various xen-sm layers that's a different story | 16:42 |
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| jgriffith | renuka made some major changes to nova but not to cinder | 16:42 |
| jgriffith | She was of the opinon that she wouldn't make those changes to cinder | 16:42 |
| ogelbukh | winston-d: is this change specific to xensm api? | 16:42 |
| jgriffith | clayg: don't say a thing | 16:42 |
| jgriffith | :) | 16:42 |
| winston-d | ogelbukh, no, of course not. | 16:43 |
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| jgriffith | ogelbukh: that would've been too easy | 16:43 |
| clayg | no one uses xensm, best i can tell its a wip | 16:43 |
| zykes- | xensm ? | 16:43 |
| jgriffith | clayg: that's what renukas logic was :) | 16:43 |
| jgriffith | zykes-: xen storage manager | 16:43 |
| ogelbukh | winston-d: could you please share a link to that change? | 16:44 |
| clayg | i'll get hyper-v'd from nova at some point, and citrix will try to hack it into cinder | 16:44 |
| zykes- | clayg: hyper-v'd ? | 16:44 |
| winston-d | ogelbukh, sure. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/12886/ | 16:45 |
| ogelbukh | thanks! | 16:45 |
| clayg | zykes-: wasn't it hyper-v that got ripped out from nova last release for not working? (I know it recently got readded) | 16:45 |
| DuncanT | winston-d: I don't have permission to view that | 16:45 |
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| ogelbukh | oh, me too | 16:46 |
| zykes- | yeh | 16:46 |
| winston-d | well, let me re-submit it again. | 16:46 |
| jgriffith | clayg: yes, correct :) | 16:46 |
| jgriffith | #topic open discussion | 16:47 |
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| ogelbukh | winston-d: thanks for i | 16:47 |
| ogelbukh | t | 16:47 |
| jgriffith | Anybody have anything they want to bring up real quick? | 16:47 |
| clayg | somehow i get an app error clicking on that link - what change is this? | 16:47 |
| resker | Hey, jgriffith, FYI, just replied to your PTL candidacy mail on the wider openstack list. Had meant to send the questions earlier... | 16:47 |
| zykes- | so will cinder work fine with xen ? | 16:47 |
| resker | We've a bunch of stuff queued up to submit against Grizzly once it becomes available. | 16:47 |
| clayg | zykes-: yes, raw iscsi sr's work fine | 16:48 |
| jgriffith | resker: Thanks... I'll check it out ad get a response out to you shortly | 16:48 |
| ogelbukh | quick question: is there a blueprint to port FilterScheduler to Cinder/Nova volume in folsom or Grizzly? | 16:48 |
| resker | cool, thanks | 16:48 |
| jgriffith | resker: cool! | 16:48 |
| zykes- | clayg: what others are there ? | 16:48 |
| clayg | rdb, ceph, xensm | 16:48 |
| resker | btw, when do we think grizzly will open up? | 16:48 |
| winston-d | ogelbukh, DuncanT please check again. | 16:48 |
| zykes- | clayg: can''t ceph with xen ? | 16:49 |
| clayg | ogelbukh: I think someone was working on a types scheduler, I think we would piggy back on that with something *like* filter scheduler | 16:49 |
| ogelbukh | oh | 16:49 |
| ogelbukh | actually, it's winston-d's change | 16:49 |
| ogelbukh | :) | 16:49 |
| zykes- | jgriffith: my question was will there be multi volume backend in Folsom ? | 16:49 |
| clayg | zykes-: never tried, maybe you have to get the ceph stuff plugged into dom0 - maybe that works? | 16:49 |
| jgriffith | resker: depends on how the rest of this week and next go | 16:49 |
| resker | I thought that got deferred. | 16:49 |
| jgriffith | zykes-: no | 16:49 |
| jgriffith | :( | 16:49 |
| zykes- | jgriffith: so sad :( | 16:49 |
| jgriffith | zykes-: agreed | 16:49 |
| zykes- | jgriffith: reason beeing ? | 16:50 |
| DuncanT | winston-d: That's better, cheers | 16:50 |
| jgriffith | zykes-: long story | 16:50 |
| clayg | is it really that long? I haven't seen a purposed impl | 16:50 |
| jgriffith | zykes-: I'd like to have a summit sesssion dedicated to this topic | 16:50 |
| winston-d | zykes-, actually you can have multiple backends, but the problem is scheduler (for now) can't tell the difference between them. | 16:50 |
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| jgriffith | winston-d: yes, sorry... didn't mean to leave out the work you've been doing on that :) | 16:51 |
| clayg | deployers can write their own scheduler... | 16:51 |
| resker | jgriffith: agreed a session is in order... | 16:51 |
| jgriffith | zykes-: the problem with that method is it means a physical/seperate cinder node for each backend | 16:51 |
| zykes- | jgriffith: why's it such a big deal ? I mean it makes sense to have that.. | 16:51 |
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| zykes- | jgriffith: wouldn't it be like you have in "Quantum" like flavours or similar ? | 16:52 |
| jgriffith | zykes-: There is disagreeement in whether it's necessary and how it should be implemented | 16:52 |
| clayg | Quantum supports flavours?! | 16:52 |
| jgriffith | zykes-: You're pinging the wrong guy... it was something I really wanted in Folsom | 16:52 |
| zykes- | clayg: using the MetaPlugin yes. | 16:52 |
| jgriffith | So... speaking of summit | 16:52 |
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| DuncanT | zykes-: Read the logs for teh last four or so weeks | 16:52 |
| jgriffith | If you have session proposals get them in! | 16:53 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: :) | 16:53 |
| zykes- | DuncanT: no thank you . | 16:53 |
| clayg | roflmao | 16:53 |
| winston-d | :) | 16:53 |
| zykes- | But yes, you can mix multi-agents for Quantum using the MetaPlugin | 16:53 |
| zykes- | :) | 16:53 |
| zykes- | or "plugins" if you will | 16:53 |
| ogelbukh | then another small question | 16:53 |
| jgriffith | Also.. just my own personal pitch, I have a proposal for the conference... if you want please vote for it :) | 16:53 |
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| clayg | can we vote already?! | 16:53 |
| winston-d | jgriffith, already done | 16:54 |
| ogelbukh | is scheduler_hint supported in this change? | 16:54 |
| DuncanT | clayg: Yes | 16:54 |
| jgriffith | clayg: for conference stuff yes | 16:54 |
| winston-d | ogelbukh, yes, i think so | 16:54 |
| ogelbukh | great | 16:54 |
| zykes- | DuncanT: can you summarize why it didn't get in in short ? ;) | 16:54 |
| clayg | wait, is this the right site to submit too -> http://summit.openstack.org/ | 16:54 |
| jgriffith | zykes-: I'll catch up with you after the meeting if you'd like | 16:54 |
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| ogelbukh | winston-d: yes, now I can see | 16:54 |
| jgriffith | I need to run to a meeting... but will be back in 1/2 hour or so | 16:54 |
| zykes- | jgriffith: yes please :) | 16:55 |
| zykes- | ping me then :) | 16:55 |
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| clayg | where should I got to vote on purposed sessions? I don't see anything from jgriff on summit.openstack.org | 16:55 |
| winston-d | so guys, please give me comments, especially on do we need a standard format for driver/backend to report their capabilities. | 16:56 |
| resker | clayg: the summit.openstack.org is for the design summit track | 16:56 |
| clayg | ummm... isn't that what we want? | 16:57 |
| jgriffith | http://www.openstack.org/summit/san-diego-2012/vote-for-speakers/ | 16:57 |
| jgriffith | I'm talking conf side | 16:57 |
| resker | clayg: the general session speaking slots can be voted on here: | 16:57 |
| resker | http://openstack.org/summit/san-diego-2012/vote-for-speakers/ | 16:57 |
| jgriffith | resker: :) | 16:57 |
| resker | sorry... jgriffith quicker on the draw | 16:57 |
| jgriffith | resker: Nice work :) | 16:57 |
| jgriffith | Ok... | 16:58 |
| zykes- | For me (As a operations / developer) person I can say surely that there's many cases where having multiple different storage techs available in the same cluster can be __really__ handy just to state the fact. | 16:58 |
| jgriffith | 1. reviews, reviews, reviews | 16:58 |
| jgriffith | 2. propose summit topics | 16:58 |
| resker | zykes: run multiple Cinder instances, no? | 16:58 |
| jgriffith | 3. test | 16:58 |
| zykes- | resker: run 1 instance. | 16:58 |
| DuncanT | zykes-: There's plenty of support for the concept, just not an agreement on how it should work | 16:59 |
| jgriffith | zykes-: Nobody in this group is going to argue against that | 16:59 |
| resker | zykes: this seems like a debate best hashed out in a summit session! | 16:59 |
| jgriffith | zykes-: I don't know how much more clearly I have to say that we AGREE with you | 16:59 |
| clayg | I think it would be great to have working to code to discuss at the summit | 16:59 |
| zykes- | resker: will you fly me over ? :) | 16:59 |
| jgriffith | Alright, we seem to have lost productivity and I need to get going | 17:00 |
| jgriffith | Thank you very much to EVERYONE | 17:00 |
| winston-d | clayg, I'll make sure it works before summit, please help review: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/12886/ | 17:00 |
| jgriffith | Not only for the participation in this weeks meeting... | 17:00 |
| clayg | will do | 17:00 |
| winston-d | thx | 17:00 |
| jgriffith | But all of the hard work the past couple of weeks!! | 17:00 |
| jgriffith | #end meeting | 17:00 |
| jgriffith | #endmeeting | 17:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Sep 12 17:00:47 2012 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2012/cinder.2012-09-12-16.08.html | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2012/cinder.2012-09-12-16.08.txt | 17:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2012/cinder.2012-09-12-16.08.log.html | 17:00 |
| clayg | bye | 17:01 |
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| clayg | soo... what time is xenapi meeting? | 17:02 |
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| clayg | johngarbutt: xenapi meeting? | 17:06 |
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| nijaba | #startmeeting Ceilometer | 21:00 |
| nijaba | #meetingtopic Ceilometer | 21:00 |
| nijaba | #chair nijaba | 21:00 |
| nijaba | #link http://wiki.openstack.org/Meetings/MeteringAgenda | 21:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Sep 12 21:00:17 2012 UTC. The chair is nijaba. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:00 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ceilometer' | 21:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Ceilometer)" | 21:00 | |
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| openstack | Current chairs: nijaba | 21:00 |
| nijaba | Hello everyone! Show of hands, who is around for the ceilometer meeting? | 21:00 |
| nijaba | o/ | 21:00 |
| spn2 | o/ | 21:00 |
| asalkeld | asalkeld, here | 21:00 |
| asalkeld | o/ | 21:00 |
| jd___ | hi | 21:01 |
| nijaba | dhellmann: will try to join us in a bit | 21:01 |
| nijaba | #topic actions from previous meeting | 21:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "actions from previous meeting (Meeting topic: Ceilometer)" | 21:01 | |
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| nijaba | #topic nijaba to see with ttx how our sessions can be shown on official program | 21:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "nijaba to see with ttx how our sessions can be shown on official program (Meeting topic: Ceilometer)" | 21:01 | |
| spn2 | o/ | 21:01 |
| nijaba | We did have an email thread with Thierry and Lauren, we'll have a meeting room dedicated to Ceilometer for half a day and our sessions will be described on the global agenda. The same will happen for swift and both sets of sessions will be in an incubation track. | 21:01 |
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| nijaba | I think that's pretty good, what do you think? | 21:02 |
| asalkeld | yea, great | 21:02 |
| spn2 | awesome | 21:02 |
| notmyname | swift? | 21:02 |
| jd___ | perfect | 21:02 |
| asalkeld | s/swift/heat | 21:02 |
| nijaba | duh, I wrote swift!! I meant heat! | 21:02 |
| nijaba | of course | 21:02 |
| notmyname | heh, ok :-) | 21:03 |
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| jtran | that's what i was thinking. "swift" ? | 21:03 |
| nijaba | long day, sorry | 21:03 |
| jtran | understandable | 21:03 |
| nijaba | #topic nijaba to update meeting page to note new alternating meeting time | 21:03 |
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| nijaba | That was done. However, it seems that Angus is about to go for a long due vacation, so it might make sense to not use the alternate meeting while he won't be around. | 21:03 |
| nijaba | Thoughts about this? | 21:03 |
| spn2 | 2.30 AM here.. :) | 21:04 |
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| asalkeld | owch | 21:04 |
| asalkeld | sorry spn2 | 21:04 |
| spn2 | :) np | 21:04 |
| nijaba | Well, I have been up for 20h :D | 21:04 |
| jd___ | time for a party! | 21:04 |
| spn2 | hehe.. | 21:05 |
| nijaba | so, asalkeld you will be gone until the summit, right? | 21:05 |
| asalkeld | yip | 21:05 |
| asalkeld | leave on sunday | 21:05 |
| nijaba | so, anyone wanting that we maintain this alt meeting time while asalkeld is going around the world? | 21:06 |
| jtran | i like this meeting time. | 21:07 |
| nijaba | quick vote? | 21:07 |
| spn2 | yes | 21:07 |
| jtran | +1 | 21:07 |
| spn2 | -1 | 21:08 |
| jtran | spn2: I can't blame you | 21:08 |
| nijaba | #vote should we maintain alt meet time for the next month? yes, no, bleh | 21:08 |
| nijaba | #startvote should we maintain alt meet time for the next month? yes, no, bleh | 21:08 |
| openstack | Begin voting on: should we maintain alt meet time for the next month? Valid vote options are yes, no, bleh. | 21:08 |
| openstack | Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. | 21:08 |
| nijaba | #vote bleh | 21:08 |
| spn2 | #vote no | 21:08 |
| jtran | yes | 21:09 |
| jtran | #vote yes | 21:09 |
| jd___ | #vote no | 21:09 |
| asalkeld | I'll stay out of it | 21:09 |
| jtran | i actually don't mind if we don't keep it. i just wanted to see how voting works. | 21:10 |
| nijaba | #endvote | 21:10 |
| openstack | Voted on "should we maintain alt meet time for the next month?" Results are | 21:10 |
| openstack | yes (1): jtran | 21:10 |
| openstack | bleh (1): nijaba | 21:10 |
| openstack | no (2): spn2, jd___ | 21:10 |
| nijaba | #topic gmb to a plan on the ml with fixed dates | 21:10 |
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| jd___ | :) | 21:10 |
| nijaba | An email was sent today to the ml. The proposed milestones are: | 21:10 |
| nijaba | - Feature freeze for 0.1 QA: 2012-09-28 | 21:10 |
| nijaba | - Release: 2012-10-12 | 21:10 |
| nijaba | Thoughts? | 21:10 |
| asalkeld | no objections | 21:11 |
| asalkeld | release often | 21:11 |
| spn2 | is a good idea | 21:12 |
| nijaba | ok, I'll mark that as agreed then | 21:12 |
| nijaba | #agreed 0.1 feature freeze will take effect on 2012-09-28 | 21:12 |
| nijaba | #agreed 0.1 release date will be 2012-10-12 | 21:12 |
| nijaba | #topic dhellmann make sure flask is listed as a dependency of ceilometer | 21:12 |
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| nijaba | Doug was not sure to be back on time for the meeting, but he wrote on to the ml that he did check that Flask is listed in the tools/pip-requires file. It is pegged to version 0.9. | 21:12 |
| spn2 | It is listed | 21:12 |
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| nijaba | We did not seem to have any other topic on the agenda.... | 21:13 |
| nijaba | #topic Open Discusssion | 21:13 |
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| jtran | wanted to bring up the issue of prioritized tickets. most of them are wishlist. | 21:13 |
| jtran | s/tickets/bugs/ | 21:13 |
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| nijaba | jtran: what would you think we should have? more bugs? | 21:14 |
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| nijaba | I mean real ones? | 21:14 |
| jtran | well, don't features get prioritized too? | 21:14 |
| jtran | features are lumped together w/ bugs right | 21:15 |
| spn2 | hmm... | 21:15 |
| nijaba | I am not sure lp allows to make a distinction between the two | 21:15 |
| jd___ | it would be better to implement features than bugs | 21:15 |
| jd___ | :D | 21:15 |
| nijaba | wishlist is how you mark a bug that is a feature request | 21:15 |
| asalkeld | shouldn't features be blueprints? | 21:15 |
| jd___ | asalkeld: probably | 21:15 |
| asalkeld | well big ones | 21:16 |
| nijaba | asalkeld: depends on the depth of the feature | 21:16 |
| spn2 | do they need to be large in size for blueprints | 21:16 |
| asalkeld | yeti features | 21:16 |
| jtran | oh sometimes when i worked on nova, i would see feature requests as bugs bug they were classified w/ priority level often if was a highly desired feature | 21:16 |
| nijaba | I would say that a plueprint is usefull if it is going to be supported, or is the result of a discussion | 21:16 |
| jtran | so i'm just thinking of that paradigm | 21:16 |
| asalkeld | the other issue is it depends on the developer | 21:16 |
| asalkeld | so a high prio to might not be a high prio for me | 21:17 |
| asalkeld | grr | 21:17 |
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| asalkeld | so a high prio to you might not be a high prio for me | 21:17 |
| jtran | right, i guess that would be a job for milestones then? | 21:17 |
| dhellmann | I was confused about the distinction between bugs and blueprints, too, so just opened everything as bugs for now | 21:18 |
| nijaba | asalkeld: the prio only matters as much as we find implementors for the feature ;) | 21:18 |
| jtran | nijaba: understood | 21:18 |
| asalkeld | sure | 21:18 |
| nijaba | ceilometer, as a whole, started as a blueprint | 21:18 |
| nijaba | complex features, that needs a lot of discussions, warrant a blueprint | 21:19 |
| spn2 | rest can just be bugs? | 21:19 |
| nijaba | but if we just want a quick way to know what is on the todo list, bugs are cool, I think | 21:19 |
| dhellmann | right, it will be easier to see an overview of everything if the work items all appear on one list :-) | 21:20 |
| nijaba | I mean, there is no absolute rule about this. Each project generally defines its practices | 21:20 |
| asalkeld | sure | 21:20 |
| jtran | sounds good | 21:21 |
| spn2 | consolidated list is good I think | 21:21 |
| jtran | maybe i can rephrase, what's the area of dev I should be looking at most right now? | 21:21 |
| nijaba | asalkeld: thinking about it, I think the beyond metering wiki page should turn into a blueprint before the summit | 21:21 |
| jtran | pollsters? | 21:21 |
| asalkeld | ok nijaba I can do that | 21:22 |
| dhellmann | jtran: yes, anything that feeds data into the system | 21:22 |
| jtran | dhellmann: ok. | 21:22 |
| jtran | moar data! | 21:22 |
| nijaba | jtran: http://wiki.openstack.org/EfficientMetering/RoadMap is a good list of highest prios | 21:22 |
| dhellmann | pollsters, listeners, etc. | 21:22 |
| jtran | nijaba: thanks for reminding me about that | 21:22 |
| nijaba | #link http://wiki.openstack.org/EfficientMetering/RoadMap | 21:22 |
| dhellmann | jtran: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ceilometer/+spec/config-driven-notification-monitoring | 21:22 |
| dhellmann | that blueprint will make it way way simpler to add event listeners | 21:23 |
| dhellmann | unfortunately the details are still just in my head | 21:23 |
| jtran | dhellmann: got it | 21:23 |
| dhellmann | #action dhellmann write up details of blueprint https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ceilometer/+spec/config-driven-notification-monitoring | 21:23 |
| jtran | dhellmann: right, i have a lot of reading up to do on plugins. | 21:23 |
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| nijaba | asalkeld: it might be worth mentioning the link you gave on the chan just before the meeting. That's an excellent start for the discussion/blueprint | 21:24 |
| asalkeld | sure | 21:24 |
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| nijaba | #link http://teambox.com/n/8fb5404848e9f0b9/ceilometer | 21:25 |
| nijaba | which asalkeld will merge into http://wiki.openstack.org/EfficientMetering/GrizzlySummit/BeyondMetering | 21:25 |
| asalkeld | it's somewhat done | 21:25 |
| nijaba | cool! | 21:25 |
| asalkeld | just fighting with formatting | 21:26 |
| jtran | on the roadmap, metering network bandwidth is 'done' but it actually is only "half done" . I only implemented the internet network pollster not the external network. | 21:26 |
| nijaba | you gotta love moinmoin | 21:26 |
| nijaba | jtran: please feel free to update :) | 21:26 |
| jtran | ok | 21:26 |
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| jd___ | jtran: do you think the missing part should be addressed in nova-network or quantum, finally? | 21:27 |
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| jtran | jd___: I don't know much about quantum , unfortunately | 21:29 |
| dhellmann | asalkeld and nijaba : did we decide to put alarms in ceilometer, then? | 21:29 |
| dhellmann | or is that just for discussion? | 21:29 |
| nijaba | dhellmann: no, this is just a blueprint proposal for the summit | 21:29 |
| asalkeld | discussion | 21:29 |
| nijaba | dhellmann: I think the decision is to be made at the summit | 21:29 |
| dhellmann | ok, thanks for clarifying | 21:29 |
| jtran | jd___: the method in the wiki described for implementing external network via nova-network via iptables accounting is difficult, from the last time i looked at it. | 21:29 |
| jtran | iptables accounting in oneiric and precise is all sorts of broken | 21:30 |
| nijaba | jtran: yes, this is I think the hardest pollster to implement, and jd___ and I have known that since the beginning... | 21:30 |
| jd___ | jtran: I agree that's not an easy path, but I don't know about Quantum either, but I sense that the place it should be implemented | 21:30 |
| jd___ | nijaba: shhhht, that's way I'm trying to make jtran look at it! | 21:31 |
| jd___ | ;-) | 21:31 |
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| jtran | jd___: lol | 21:31 |
| jd___ | s/way/why/ | 21:31 |
| nijaba | jtran: bug ref on the problems you mention? and is it fixed in previse? | 21:31 |
| jtran | jd___: i doubt i am the right person in this group to be looking at the hardest problems | 21:31 |
| jd___ | jtran: :-) | 21:32 |
| jtran | the bug ref https://bugs.launchpad.net/ceilometer/+bug/1004449 is for network pollster in general… both ext and int. | 21:32 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1004449 in ceilometer "Pollster for network traffic" [Wishlist,Fix committed] | 21:32 |
| nijaba | jtran: it is really up to you. | 21:32 |
| jtran | and i only did the internal part. nijaba : i don't mind looking at it | 21:32 |
| dhellmann | jtran: based on the work you've done on the database backend, I think you underestimate yourself | 21:32 |
| jtran | will try my best :) dhellmann , most of that was copy and paste from nova and then shoehorn. | 21:32 |
| dhellmann | jtran: you can split that bug into 2 tickets if it's easier for tracking | 21:32 |
| jtran | it was a huge challenge though never touching sqlalchemy nor mongo, but thanks for your words of encouragement. n | 21:33 |
| jtran | dhellmann: yes will do | 21:33 |
| * jd___ agrees | 21:33 | |
| * nijaba applauds jtran's work AND modesty | 21:34 | |
| dhellmann | jtran: I'm just learning sqlalchemy myself, so I asked a couple of co-workers to provide some feedback, too | 21:35 |
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| jd___ | (cheater) | 21:35 |
| jtran | dhellmann: sqlalchemy is no walk in the park! | 21:35 |
| jtran | learning curve is huge! | 21:35 |
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| dhellmann | jtran: no kidding | 21:35 |
| spn2 | omg! | 21:35 |
| dhellmann | jd___: it's called "collaboration" ;-) | 21:35 |
| jd___ | dhellmann: ;) | 21:36 |
| jtran | i had worked w/ ActiveRecord though thankfully, it does have some similarities altho i'm not expert at AR either | 21:36 |
| spn2 | rails3 - activerecord | 21:36 |
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| * nijaba has not touch a db interface since odbc was the hype thing, or almost.... | 21:37 | |
| jtran | lol odbc | 21:37 |
| jtran | windows nt4? | 21:37 |
| nijaba | nah, mac os at the time | 21:37 |
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| jtran | whoa | 21:38 |
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| nijaba | ok, looks like we are running out of subject | 21:39 |
| nijaba | should we wrap for today? | 21:39 |
| asalkeld | sure | 21:40 |
| dhellmann | I think we're done | 21:40 |
| nijaba | ok! Thanks everyone! | 21:40 |
| nijaba | #agreed next meeting thu sept 20 at 15UTC! | 21:40 |
| nijaba | #endmeeting | 21:41 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Sep 12 21:41:15 2012 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:41 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ceilometer/2012/ceilometer.2012-09-12-21.00.html | 21:41 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ceilometer/2012/ceilometer.2012-09-12-21.00.txt | 21:41 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ceilometer/2012/ceilometer.2012-09-12-21.00.log.html | 21:41 |
| spn2 | have a good evening.. | 21:41 |
| nijaba | good night too! | 21:41 |
| dhellmann | you, too! | 21:42 |
| jd___ | good night everybody! | 21:42 |
| asalkeld | later | 21:42 |
| asalkeld | and thx for the meeting time | 21:42 |
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| asalkeld | really appreciate it | 21:42 |
| nijaba | asalkeld: enjoy your vacation! see you in SD | 21:43 |
| asalkeld | ya, see you there | 21:43 |
| spn2 | asalkeld: are you presenting in the summit? | 21:43 |
| asalkeld | yea | 21:44 |
| asalkeld | the monitoring in ceilometer | 21:44 |
| asalkeld | together with nijaba? | 21:44 |
| nijaba | correct | 21:44 |
| spn2 | good luck in the summit.. | 21:44 |
| spn2 | is there any video recording.. for people who cannot attend? | 21:44 |
| spn2 | uploaded to youtube or elsewhere? | 21:44 |
| nijaba | and dhellmann and anyone that cares, as it will be more a workshio thant a pres... | 21:44 |
| spn2 | ok.. | 21:45 |
| nijaba | spn2: not for all meetings, no | 21:45 |
| spn2 | that interactive discussion is the fun part.. | 21:45 |
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