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| jaypipes | QAers? | 17:00 |
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| jaypipes | #startmeeting | 17:00 |
| openstack | jaypipes: Error: A meeting name is required, e.g., '#startmeeting Marketing Committee' | 17:00 |
| jaypipes | #startmeeting qa | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Sep 13 17:00:23 2012 UTC. The chair is jaypipes. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'qa' | 17:00 |
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| jaypipes | dansmith, donaldngo, dwalleck: heyo | 17:00 |
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| dwalleck | howdy! | 17:01 |
| dansmith | present | 17:01 |
| jaypipes | dwalleck: so, I've been fighting with nosetest this week. | 17:01 |
| jaypipes | dwalleck: and losing the fight :( | 17:01 |
| dwalleck | uh oh :( what's wrong? | 17:01 |
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| jaypipes | dwalleck: well, there's the multiprocess plugin's inability to deal with module and package-level setups: https://github.com/nose-devs/nose/issues/550 | 17:02 |
| jaypipes | gah | 17:02 |
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| dwalleck | stupid wifi | 17:02 |
| jaypipes | dwalleck: https://github.com/nose-devs/nose/issues/550 | 17:02 |
| jaypipes | dwalleck: well, there's the multiprocess plugin's inability to deal with module and package-level setups: https://github.com/nose-devs/nose/issues/550 | 17:02 |
| jaypipes | dwalleck: as well as (apparently), nosetests buggy implementation of mod and package-level fixtures: https://github.com/nose-devs/nose/issues/551 | 17:02 |
| dwalleck | Yeah, never tried package level fixtures | 17:03 |
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| jaypipes | dwalleck: I think that Antonin from HP may have been right originally when he remarked that trying to use nose/unittest for functional integration testing is like trying to fit a round peg in a square hole :( | 17:03 |
| jaypipes | torandu: welcome. :) | 17:03 |
| jaypipes | dwalleck: we've been using module and package level fixtures in Tempest for a while now :) | 17:04 |
| jaypipes | dwalleck: /tempest/tests/compute/__init__.py | 17:04 |
| dwalleck | jaypipes: I'm starting to agree with that thought | 17:04 |
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| jaypipes | dwalleck: yeah... it's like pulling teeth to get it to behave the way you think it should | 17:04 |
| dwalleck | I've been looking around at alternatives lately | 17:04 |
| jaypipes | dansmith, dwalleck: so my question is this: is it worth spending the time to rewrite ourselves out of nose/unittest, or spending the time to try fixing nose upstream? | 17:05 |
| dwalleck | Nothing fits the bill quite right, but I've been liking this a bit. Made a few fun prototypes http://heynemann.github.com/pyvows/ | 17:05 |
| jaypipes | dwalleck: or go with something like Vek's integration testing infrastrcture? can't remember the name of it off top of head | 17:05 |
| dansmith | jaypipes: I don't really have any visibility into what nose really gives us, nor the issues in the stack | 17:06 |
| dansmith | sdague: did you get a feeling yet? | 17:06 |
| dwalleck | I think Vek's is also built on top of nose | 17:06 |
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| dwalleck | I'm using py.test right now, which I've had some success with, but it's handling of fixtures when running tests multithreaded...well, destroys the purpose of fixtures | 17:07 |
| jaypipes | dwalleck: no, I don't think so. | 17:07 |
| jaypipes | dwalleck: backfire? soemthing like that? | 17:08 |
| jaypipes | dwalleck: name of Vek's lib... | 17:08 |
| dwalleck | jaypipes: Sounds right | 17:08 |
| jaypipes | https://github.com/klmitch/dtest | 17:08 |
| jaypipes | DTest | 17:08 |
| jaypipes | is the framework | 17:09 |
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| * jaypipes reading a bit more about pyvows. | 17:10 | |
| dwalleck | It has it's own challenges though from what I recall. I believe test suites have to been created programatically | 17:10 |
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| jaypipes | pyvows reminds me of Ruby's rspec | 17:10 |
| dwalleck | I kind of like it because it gives you just enough order in testing and then runs in parallel when it can | 17:11 |
| sdague | dansmith: no, I haven't looked at the parallization yet | 17:11 |
| jaypipes | dwalleck: it's whether or not it can deal with out-of-process execution and shared fixtures is the issue | 17:12 |
| sdague | pyvows looks interesting. Wasn't there also a team at the last summit that had a cucumber based testing framework? | 17:12 |
| dwalleck | There's lettuce, which is a port of cucumber | 17:13 |
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| dwalleck | But I've never felt very good about having tests as text. I think the reason I can stand pvows is because the tests are still in code :-) | 17:14 |
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| jaypipes | sdague: I'd really prefer to stick with Python TBH | 17:14 |
| jaypipes | dwalleck: ++ | 17:14 |
| dwalleck | And if not that, maybe a solution similar to that provides similar functionality | 17:15 |
| sdague | jaypipes: yeh, sure python is good. Though I like the idea of behavior oriented, because it reduces the chance that you've got a copy and paste bug from existing python code | 17:15 |
| jaypipes | sdague: agreed. | 17:15 |
| dwalleck | The plus for me is that it's very descriptive about what exactly you're testing | 17:16 |
| jaypipes | sdague: pyvows looks interesting in that regard... good mix of BDD and code-based Python framework | 17:16 |
| sdague | yep, agreed | 17:16 |
| jaypipes | dwalleck: good spot on PyVows. How about we agree to look through PyVows and maybe put together a quick prototype that does some OpenStack compute API tests> | 17:17 |
| jaypipes | dwalleck: trying to reuse as much as possible from tempest's base clients, etc | 17:17 |
| dwalleck | jaypipes: Can do. I something prototypish together already. I could have something to look at by tomorrow | 17:18 |
| jaypipes | dwalleck: that would be awesome. | 17:18 |
| jaypipes | dwalleck: post to the ML for us all to take a look at. | 17:18 |
| sdague | dwalleck: cool, would love to look. | 17:18 |
| dwalleck | can do | 17:18 |
| dwalleck | and even if it's not right, maybe it will keep pointing us in the right direction | 17:19 |
| * jaypipes would prefer to move quickly on this if we can | 17:19 | |
| sdague | though I doubt I'll jump in until after we've got all the sample api tests over in nova that vishy would like for the release | 17:19 |
| jaypipes | yeah... | 17:19 |
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| sdague | jaypipes: how quickly? Seems like it might be good to get some prototypes playing and then hack a bit at summit | 17:20 |
| jaypipes | sdague: ++ | 17:20 |
| dwalleck | jaypipes: ++. Very fast. Once we have a solution we like, I'd like to see what we could accomplish by the summit | 17:20 |
| jaypipes | dwalleck: rock on. | 17:20 |
| dwalleck | sdague: ++, great idea | 17:20 |
| jaypipes | OK, y'all OK with ending the meeting early? | 17:20 |
| dwalleck | sure | 17:20 |
| jaypipes | #endmeeting | 17:21 |
| sdague | sure | 17:21 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meeting Channel || http://wiki.openstack.org/Meetings" | 17:21 | |
| dwalleck | I'll dive right in | 17:21 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Sep 13 17:21:04 2012 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:21 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2012/qa.2012-09-13-17.00.html | 17:21 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2012/qa.2012-09-13-17.00.txt | 17:21 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2012/qa.2012-09-13-17.00.log.html | 17:21 |
| jaypipes | thx al | 17:21 |
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| vishy | #startmeeting nova | 21:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Sep 13 21:02:32 2012 UTC. The chair is vishy. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:02 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova' | 21:02 |
| markmc | yo | 21:02 |
| dansmith | foo | 21:02 |
| mikal | Morning | 21:02 |
| sandywalsh_ | o/ | 21:02 |
| dprince | hi | 21:02 |
| gatuus | what up? | 21:02 |
| maurosr | hey | 21:03 |
| jog0 | hi | 21:03 |
| vishy | hi guys | 21:03 |
| sdague | howdie | 21:03 |
| vishy | #link http://wiki.openstack.org/Meetings/Nova | 21:03 |
| jk0 | o/ | 21:04 |
| vishy | #topic Risky Reviews | 21:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Risky Reviews" | 21:04 | |
| vishy | so i there are couple of reviews which seem risky but also could be quite useful | 21:04 |
| vishy | i want to have some discussion on what we should do with them | 21:04 |
| vishy | the first is: | 21:04 |
| vishy | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/10797/ | 21:04 |
| vishy | The way we handle msysql disconnects is very fragile and inefficient | 21:05 |
| vishy | this fix is a much better way to do it | 21:05 |
| bcwaldon | I initially said no to that as it didnt have any testing and its a pretty integral codepath that is changing | 21:05 |
| mikal | This review has been kicking around a long time | 21:05 |
| dansmith | man, removing the SELECT 1 pinging sure seems hard to ignore | 21:05 |
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| bcwaldon | dansmith: is that a positive or negative reaction? | 21:06 |
| vishy | so I really want the fix but I'm concerned about potentially blowing things up | 21:06 |
| mikal | A few cores have +2'ed it along the way | 21:07 |
| dansmith | bcwaldon: meaning, removing it seems too good to ignore :) | 21:07 |
| mikal | At least three that I see | 21:07 |
| markmc | it certainly looks risky | 21:07 |
| dprince | Yeah. | 21:07 |
| dprince | Not something to put in at the last minute. | 21:08 |
| bcwaldon | dansmith: right, just wanted to verify that | 21:08 |
| dprince | Couldn't you let it sit in Grizzly for awhile and then backport to Folsom for a point release or something? | 21:08 |
| dprince | Of course this is just an RC1. | 21:08 |
| dansmith | dprince: or do the opposite, let it fester in the rc releases whilst people are doing all their testing :) | 21:09 |
| dansmith | s/rc releases/early rc releases/ | 21:09 |
| sdague | I like the grizzly idea and consider it for backport | 21:09 |
| vishy | so i see two approaches | 21:10 |
| vishy | 1) merge it for rc-1 and if it causes explosions we can back it out for rc-2 | 21:10 |
| vishy | or 2) merge in grizzly and backport later | 21:10 |
| vishy | 2) is safer | 21:10 |
| mikal | How angry will the mob be if RC1 doesn't work? | 21:10 |
| vishy | so i am leaning there | 21:10 |
| dansmith | 2 might mean some different behavior midway through folsom, right? | 21:11 |
| dansmith | someone who is using and happy with folsom (or hacked around things) and suddenly it changes a bit.. | 21:11 |
| markmc | it's pure bugfix territory | 21:11 |
| markmc | no API changes, user-visible behavioural changes | 21:11 |
| markmc | only question from stable branch would be whether it's a serious enough bug to warrant the risk | 21:12 |
| markmc | and it probably is, if it's been well tested in grizzly | 21:12 |
| dansmith | it's database access patterns though.. I don't think it's invisible to the admins | 21:12 |
| sdague | markmc: yeh, but that can be a part 2 question. | 21:12 |
| markmc | dansmith, I don't see how this one can impact admins, really | 21:13 |
| vishy | so it sounds like no one is really arguing for 1 | 21:13 |
| sdague | agree, it will just drop some largely no op queries | 21:13 |
| vishy | the question is just whether the backport is ok | 21:13 |
| dansmith | markmc: okay | 21:13 |
| sdague | vishy: right, but we don't need to make the backport call today | 21:13 |
| vishy | if we do not want to backport it I might be for pushing it in now rather than dealing with crummy sql for the whole folsom release | 21:14 |
| sdague | see how it does in grizzly, then make the call at the first update | 21:14 |
| vishy | but I just had a bunch of coffee so I want to merge everything | 21:14 |
| vishy | :) | 21:14 |
| sdague | :) | 21:14 |
| markmc | heh | 21:14 |
| vishy | #action wait on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/10797/ | 21:14 |
| markmc | I think it's a reasonable candidate for stable after some soaking on master | 21:15 |
| vishy | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/11923/ | 21:15 |
| dprince | vishy: has anyone floated that by danpb | 21:15 |
| vishy | ok this is fixing some stuff that should have been fixed a long time ago | 21:15 |
| vishy | the bug that it is fixing is not super critical, but I really want to get rid of legacy nw info | 21:16 |
| vishy | my thinking on this one is the same grizzly and backport after we are sure it doesn't break anything | 21:16 |
| markmc | hmm | 21:16 |
| markmc | not super critical, lots of risky refactoring ... doesn't sound like such a good stable candidate | 21:17 |
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| vishy | markmc: it doesn't sound like a straight bug fix for the issue is easy unfortunately | 21:17 |
| markmc | yeah | 21:17 |
| vishy | markmc: so we just keep the bug as a known issue for the whole folsom release? | 21:17 |
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| markmc | vishy, assuming it's not super critical and we can't find a less invasive fix, yeah | 21:18 |
| vishy | markmc: ok we will delay that one until grizzly then | 21:18 |
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| vishy | #action wait on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/11923/ | 21:19 |
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| vishy | #topic cinder/nova sync status | 21:19 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "cinder/nova sync status" | 21:19 | |
| vishy | markmc: any idea where we are on this? | 21:19 |
| markmc | #link http://etherpad.openstack.org/cinder-to-nova-sync | 21:20 |
| markmc | jgriffith says he's updated the etherpad | 21:20 |
| * markmc looks | 21:20 | |
| jgriffith | :) | 21:20 |
| jgriffith | yes, everything on the pad is *in* except for the clone images | 21:20 |
| jgriffith | jdurgin: is on it as we speak | 21:20 |
| jgriffith | Should be in later today | 21:20 |
| vishy | looks like 2 left cool | 21:21 |
| dprince | markmc: Do you also keep a list of what needs syncing from Nova to Cinder? | 21:21 |
| vishy | I think we are good on that side then | 21:21 |
| markmc | jgriffith, anything you feel needs to be in for rc1 that's still in review? | 21:21 |
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| markmc | jgriffith, thought we were going to have an rc1 targeted bug for those? | 21:21 |
| jgriffith | On the nova side, just my recent change to delete on startup | 21:21 |
| jgriffith | There is, just not being used :* | 21:22 |
| jgriffith | :( | 21:22 |
| markmc | dprince, nope | 21:22 |
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| jgriffith | markmc: 1049381 | 21:22 |
| dprince | markmc: Okay. I suppose that is something we'd talk about in the Cinder meeting. Still... there are a couple things missing. The xensm driver for instance: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/12843/ | 21:23 |
| markmc | dprince, well ... I think we're in reasonable shape on actual volumes stuff being in sync between nova and cinder | 21:23 |
| jgriffith | dprince: Yes, that's another story and I think I'm going to punt on it unless you have new news (we can talk later) | 21:23 |
| markmc | dprince, I'm more thinking of non-volumes core stuff changes in nova that haven't been synced to nova | 21:23 |
| markmc | #link https://code.launchpad.net/bugs/1049381 | 21:23 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1049381 in cinder "sync nova-volume and cinder" [Critical,In progress] | 21:23 |
| dprince | jgriffith: sure. We can talk about the missing xensm driver in Cinder at another time. | 21:25 |
| jgriffith | markmc: Everything in both directions should be merged or in review barring the two mentioned earlier | 21:26 |
| markmc | ok, sounds good | 21:26 |
| jgriffith | markmc: Sorry, missed your question earlier. Anything in review is RC1 from my perspective | 21:28 |
| markmc | jgriffith, we should add all the reviews to the bug, I guess | 21:28 |
| * markmc starts doing that | 21:28 | |
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| jgriffith | good idea | 21:29 |
| vishy | ready for the next topic then? | 21:29 |
| jgriffith | aye | 21:29 |
| vishy | #action mark to add reviews to cinder sync bug | 21:29 |
| vishy | #topic RC1 buglist | 21:31 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "RC1 buglist" | 21:31 | |
| vishy | #link https://launchpad.net/nova/+milestone/folsom-rc1 | 21:31 |
| vishy | looks pretty good | 21:32 |
| vishy | mostly just in need of reviews | 21:32 |
| vishy | does someone want to take? https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1046054 | 21:32 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1046054 in nova "Security groups leak across tenants for admin users" [Medium,Triaged] | 21:32 |
| vishy | it should be pretty easy, just limit security groups by project even for admins | 21:32 |
| eglynn__ | I can grab that tmrw | 21:32 |
| vishy | eglynn__: cool thanks | 21:33 |
| vishy | is there anything else on there that is stuck? | 21:33 |
| vishy | belliott_ took the unassigned bug so i think we are good | 21:35 |
| vishy | #topic outstanding reviews | 21:35 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "outstanding reviews" | 21:35 | |
| vishy | the main thing is to stay on top of reviews for the bugs on the list | 21:35 |
| vishy | anyone know of stuck reviews? | 21:35 |
| jog0 | vishy: this isn't on the list but https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/872899 | 21:36 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 872899 in nova "VMs cannot be terminated if compute host is dead" [Medium,In progress] | 21:36 |
| jog0 | vishy: I have a fix stuck in review | 21:36 |
| jog0 | https://review.openstack.org/12231 | 21:36 |
| vishy | yeah that one seems fine to me | 21:37 |
| jog0 | vishy: thanks | 21:38 |
| vishy | ok | 21:38 |
| vishy | #topic open discussion | 21:38 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open discussion" | 21:38 | |
| vishy | anyone have anything? | 21:38 |
| jog0 | man pages? | 21:38 |
| vishy | jog0: as in someone should write them ? | 21:39 |
| vishy | :) | 21:39 |
| jog0 | yes, its about time nova has some | 21:39 |
| vishy | that would be nice | 21:40 |
| vishy | volunteers? | 21:40 |
| jog0 | vishy: I can start writing a few but we do have 22 binaries | 21:40 |
| russellb | --help | help2man | 21:40 |
| vishy | russellb: :) | 21:40 |
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| russellb | help2man does exist. it's a starting point at least. | 21:41 |
| vishy | jog0: maybe start and put out a request for help on the ml | 21:41 |
| russellb | fun part is then keeping them up to date | 21:41 |
| sdague | jog0: if you get started I'll throw in a bit on them. I think my name is still at the bottom of the xm man pages in xen somewhere :) | 21:41 |
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| vishy | i think we are done. Thanks guys | 21:41 |
| markmc | laters | 21:41 |
| vishy | #endmeeting nova | 21:41 |
| jog0 | vishy: will do sounds good | 21:41 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meeting Channel || http://wiki.openstack.org/Meetings" | 21:41 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Sep 13 21:41:36 2012 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:41 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2012/nova.2012-09-13-21.02.html | 21:41 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2012/nova.2012-09-13-21.02.txt | 21:41 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2012/nova.2012-09-13-21.02.log.html | 21:41 |
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