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jaypipesQAers?17:00
jaypipes#startmeeting17:00
openstackjaypipes: Error: A meeting name is required, e.g., '#startmeeting Marketing Committee'17:00
jaypipes#startmeeting qa17:00
openstackMeeting started Thu Sep 13 17:00:23 2012 UTC.  The chair is jaypipes. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.17:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.17:00
openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'qa'17:00
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jaypipesdansmith, donaldngo, dwalleck: heyo17:00
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dwalleckhowdy!17:01
dansmithpresent17:01
jaypipesdwalleck: so, I've been fighting with nosetest this week.17:01
jaypipesdwalleck: and losing the fight :(17:01
dwalleckuh oh :( what's wrong?17:01
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jaypipesdwalleck: well, there's the multiprocess plugin's inability to deal with module and package-level setups: https://github.com/nose-devs/nose/issues/55017:02
jaypipesgah17:02
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dwalleckstupid wifi17:02
jaypipesdwalleck: https://github.com/nose-devs/nose/issues/55017:02
jaypipesdwalleck: well, there's the multiprocess plugin's inability to deal with module and package-level setups: https://github.com/nose-devs/nose/issues/55017:02
jaypipesdwalleck: as well as (apparently), nosetests buggy implementation of mod and package-level fixtures: https://github.com/nose-devs/nose/issues/55117:02
dwalleckYeah, never tried package level fixtures17:03
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jaypipesdwalleck: I think that Antonin from HP may have been right originally when he remarked that trying to use nose/unittest for functional integration testing is like trying to fit a round peg in a square hole :(17:03
jaypipestorandu: welcome. :)17:03
jaypipesdwalleck: we've been using module and package level fixtures in Tempest for a while now :)17:04
jaypipesdwalleck: /tempest/tests/compute/__init__.py17:04
dwalleckjaypipes: I'm starting to agree with that thought17:04
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jaypipesdwalleck: yeah... it's like pulling teeth to get it to behave the way you think it should17:04
dwalleckI've been looking around at alternatives lately17:04
jaypipesdansmith, dwalleck: so my question is this: is it worth spending the time to rewrite ourselves out of nose/unittest, or spending the time to try fixing nose upstream?17:05
dwalleckNothing fits the bill quite right, but I've been liking this a bit. Made a few fun prototypes http://heynemann.github.com/pyvows/17:05
jaypipesdwalleck: or go with something like Vek's integration testing infrastrcture? can't remember the name of it off top of head17:05
dansmithjaypipes: I don't really have any visibility into what nose really gives us, nor the issues in the stack17:06
dansmithsdague: did you get a feeling yet?17:06
dwalleckI think Vek's is also built on top of nose17:06
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dwalleckI'm using py.test right now, which I've had some success with, but it's handling of fixtures when running tests multithreaded...well, destroys the purpose of fixtures17:07
jaypipesdwalleck: no, I don't think so.17:07
jaypipesdwalleck: backfire? soemthing like that?17:08
jaypipesdwalleck: name of Vek's lib...17:08
dwalleckjaypipes: Sounds right17:08
jaypipeshttps://github.com/klmitch/dtest17:08
jaypipesDTest17:08
jaypipesis the framework17:09
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* jaypipes reading a bit more about pyvows.17:10
dwalleckIt has it's own challenges though from what I recall.  I believe test suites have to been created programatically17:10
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jaypipespyvows reminds me of Ruby's rspec17:10
dwalleckI kind of like it because it gives you just enough order in testing and then runs in parallel when it can17:11
sdaguedansmith: no, I haven't looked at the parallization yet17:11
jaypipesdwalleck: it's whether or not it can deal with out-of-process execution and shared fixtures is the issue17:12
sdaguepyvows looks interesting. Wasn't there also a team at the last summit that had a cucumber based testing framework?17:12
dwalleckThere's lettuce, which is a port of cucumber17:13
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dwalleckBut I've never felt very good about having tests as text. I think the reason I can stand pvows is because the tests are still in code :-)17:14
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jaypipessdague: I'd really prefer to stick with Python TBH17:14
jaypipesdwalleck: ++17:14
dwalleckAnd if not that, maybe a solution similar to that provides similar functionality17:15
sdaguejaypipes: yeh, sure python is good. Though I like the idea of behavior oriented, because it reduces the chance that you've got a copy and paste bug from existing python code17:15
jaypipessdague: agreed.17:15
dwalleckThe plus for me is that it's very descriptive about what exactly you're testing17:16
jaypipessdague: pyvows looks interesting in that regard... good mix of BDD and code-based Python framework17:16
sdagueyep, agreed17:16
jaypipesdwalleck: good spot on PyVows. How about we agree to look through PyVows and maybe put together a quick prototype that does some OpenStack compute API tests>17:17
jaypipesdwalleck: trying to reuse as much as possible from tempest's base clients, etc17:17
dwalleckjaypipes: Can do. I something prototypish together already. I could have something to look at by tomorrow17:18
jaypipesdwalleck: that would be awesome.17:18
jaypipesdwalleck: post to the ML for us all to take a look at.17:18
sdaguedwalleck: cool, would love to look.17:18
dwalleckcan do17:18
dwalleckand even if it's not right, maybe it will keep pointing us in the right direction17:19
* jaypipes would prefer to move quickly on this if we can17:19
sdaguethough I doubt I'll jump in until after we've got all the sample api tests over in nova that vishy would like for the release17:19
jaypipesyeah...17:19
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sdaguejaypipes: how quickly? Seems like it might be good to get some prototypes playing and then hack a bit at summit17:20
jaypipessdague: ++17:20
dwalleckjaypipes: ++. Very fast. Once we have a solution we like, I'd like to see what we could accomplish by the summit17:20
jaypipesdwalleck: rock on.17:20
dwallecksdague: ++, great idea17:20
jaypipesOK, y'all OK with ending the meeting early?17:20
dwallecksure17:20
jaypipes#endmeeting17:21
sdaguesure17:21
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dwalleckI'll dive right in17:21
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vishy#startmeeting nova21:02
openstackMeeting started Thu Sep 13 21:02:32 2012 UTC.  The chair is vishy. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.21:02
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.21:02
openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'nova'21:02
markmcyo21:02
dansmithfoo21:02
mikalMorning21:02
sandywalsh_o/21:02
dprincehi21:02
gatuuswhat up?21:02
maurosrhey21:03
jog0hi21:03
vishyhi guys21:03
sdaguehowdie21:03
vishy#link http://wiki.openstack.org/Meetings/Nova21:03
jk0o/21:04
vishy#topic Risky Reviews21:04
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vishyso i there are couple of reviews which seem risky but also could be quite useful21:04
vishyi want to have some discussion on what we should do with them21:04
vishythe first is:21:04
vishy#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/10797/21:04
vishyThe way we handle msysql disconnects is very fragile and inefficient21:05
vishythis fix is a much better way to do it21:05
bcwaldonI initially said no to that as it didnt have any testing and its a pretty integral codepath that is changing21:05
mikalThis review has been kicking around a long time21:05
dansmithman, removing the SELECT 1 pinging sure seems hard to ignore21:05
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bcwaldondansmith: is that a positive or negative reaction?21:06
vishyso I really want the fix but I'm concerned about potentially blowing things up21:06
mikalA few cores have +2'ed it along the way21:07
dansmithbcwaldon: meaning, removing it seems too good to ignore :)21:07
mikalAt least three that I see21:07
markmcit certainly looks risky21:07
dprinceYeah.21:07
dprinceNot something to put in at the last minute.21:08
bcwaldondansmith: right, just wanted to verify that21:08
dprinceCouldn't you let it sit in Grizzly for awhile and then backport to Folsom for a point release or something?21:08
dprinceOf course this is just an RC1.21:08
dansmithdprince: or do the opposite, let it fester in the rc releases whilst people are doing all their testing :)21:09
dansmiths/rc releases/early rc releases/21:09
sdagueI like the grizzly idea and consider it for backport21:09
vishyso i see two approaches21:10
vishy1) merge it for rc-1 and if it causes explosions we can back it out for rc-221:10
vishyor 2) merge in grizzly and backport later21:10
vishy2) is safer21:10
mikalHow angry will the mob be if RC1 doesn't work?21:10
vishyso i am leaning there21:10
dansmith2 might mean some different behavior midway through folsom, right?21:11
dansmithsomeone who is using and happy with folsom (or hacked around things) and suddenly it changes a bit..21:11
markmcit's pure bugfix territory21:11
markmcno API changes, user-visible behavioural changes21:11
markmconly question from stable branch would be whether it's a serious enough bug to warrant the risk21:12
markmcand it probably is, if it's been well tested in grizzly21:12
dansmithit's database access patterns though.. I don't think it's invisible to the admins21:12
sdaguemarkmc: yeh, but that can be a part 2 question.21:12
markmcdansmith, I don't see how this one can impact admins, really21:13
vishyso it sounds like no one is really arguing for 121:13
sdagueagree, it will just drop some largely no op queries21:13
vishythe question is just whether the backport is ok21:13
dansmithmarkmc: okay21:13
sdaguevishy: right, but we don't need to make the backport call today21:13
vishyif we do not want to backport it I might be for pushing it in now rather than dealing with crummy sql for the whole folsom release21:14
sdaguesee how it does in grizzly, then make the call at the first update21:14
vishybut I just had a bunch of coffee so I want to merge everything21:14
vishy:)21:14
sdague:)21:14
markmcheh21:14
vishy#action wait on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/10797/21:14
markmcI think it's a reasonable candidate for stable after some soaking on master21:15
vishy#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/11923/21:15
dprincevishy: has anyone floated that by danpb21:15
vishyok this is fixing some stuff that should have been fixed a long time ago21:15
vishythe bug that it is fixing is not super critical, but I really want to get rid of legacy nw info21:16
vishymy thinking on this one is the same grizzly and backport after we are sure it doesn't break anything21:16
markmchmm21:16
markmcnot super critical, lots of risky refactoring ... doesn't sound like such a good stable candidate21:17
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vishymarkmc: it doesn't sound like a straight bug fix for the issue is easy unfortunately21:17
markmcyeah21:17
vishymarkmc: so we just keep the bug as a known issue for the whole folsom release?21:17
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markmcvishy, assuming it's not super critical and we can't find a less invasive fix, yeah21:18
vishymarkmc: ok we will delay that one until grizzly then21:18
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vishy#action wait on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/11923/21:19
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vishy#topic cinder/nova sync status21:19
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vishymarkmc: any idea where we are on this?21:19
markmc#link http://etherpad.openstack.org/cinder-to-nova-sync21:20
markmcjgriffith says he's updated the etherpad21:20
* markmc looks21:20
jgriffith:)21:20
jgriffithyes, everything on the pad is *in* except for the clone images21:20
jgriffithjdurgin: is on it as we speak21:20
jgriffithShould be in later today21:20
vishylooks like 2 left cool21:21
dprincemarkmc: Do you also keep a list of what needs syncing from Nova to Cinder?21:21
vishyI think we are good on that side then21:21
markmcjgriffith, anything you feel needs to be in for rc1 that's still in review?21:21
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markmcjgriffith, thought we were going to have an rc1 targeted bug for those?21:21
jgriffithOn the nova side, just my recent change to delete on startup21:21
jgriffithThere is, just not being used :*21:22
jgriffith:(21:22
markmcdprince, nope21:22
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jgriffithmarkmc: 104938121:22
dprincemarkmc: Okay. I suppose that is something we'd talk about in the Cinder meeting. Still... there are a couple things missing. The xensm driver for instance: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/12843/21:23
markmcdprince, well ... I think we're in reasonable shape on actual volumes stuff being in sync between nova and cinder21:23
jgriffithdprince: Yes, that's another story and I think I'm going to punt on it unless you have new news (we can talk later)21:23
markmcdprince, I'm more thinking of non-volumes core stuff changes in nova that haven't been synced to nova21:23
markmc#link https://code.launchpad.net/bugs/104938121:23
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1049381 in cinder "sync nova-volume and cinder" [Critical,In progress]21:23
dprincejgriffith: sure. We can talk about the missing xensm driver in Cinder at another time.21:25
jgriffithmarkmc: Everything in both directions should be merged or in review barring the two mentioned earlier21:26
markmcok, sounds good21:26
jgriffithmarkmc: Sorry, missed your question earlier.  Anything in review is RC1 from my perspective21:28
markmcjgriffith, we should add all the reviews to the bug, I guess21:28
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jgriffithgood idea21:29
vishyready for the next topic then?21:29
jgriffithaye21:29
vishy#action mark to add reviews to cinder sync bug21:29
vishy#topic RC1 buglist21:31
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vishy#link https://launchpad.net/nova/+milestone/folsom-rc121:31
vishylooks pretty good21:32
vishymostly just in need of reviews21:32
vishydoes someone want to take? https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/104605421:32
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1046054 in nova "Security groups leak across tenants for admin users" [Medium,Triaged]21:32
vishyit should be pretty easy, just limit security groups by project even for admins21:32
eglynn__I can grab that tmrw21:32
vishyeglynn__: cool thanks21:33
vishyis there anything else on there that is stuck?21:33
vishybelliott_ took the unassigned bug so i think we are good21:35
vishy#topic outstanding reviews21:35
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vishythe main thing is to stay on top of reviews for the bugs on the list21:35
vishyanyone know of stuck reviews?21:35
jog0vishy: this isn't on the list but https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/87289921:36
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 872899 in nova "VMs cannot be terminated if compute host is dead" [Medium,In progress]21:36
jog0vishy:  I have a fix stuck in review21:36
jog0https://review.openstack.org/1223121:36
vishyyeah that one seems fine to me21:37
jog0vishy: thanks21:38
vishyok21:38
vishy#topic open discussion21:38
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vishyanyone have anything?21:38
jog0man pages?21:38
vishyjog0: as in someone should write them ?21:39
vishy:)21:39
jog0yes, its about time nova has some21:39
vishythat would be nice21:40
vishyvolunteers?21:40
jog0vishy: I can start writing a few but we do have 22 binaries21:40
russellb --help | help2man21:40
vishyrussellb: :)21:40
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russellbhelp2man does exist.  it's a starting point at least.21:41
vishyjog0: maybe start and put out a request for help on the ml21:41
russellbfun part is then keeping them up to date21:41
sdaguejog0: if you get started I'll throw in a bit on them. I think my name is still at the bottom of the xm man pages in xen somewhere :)21:41
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vishyi think we are done. Thanks guys21:41
markmclaters21:41
vishy#endmeeting nova21:41
jog0vishy: will do sounds good21:41
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