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| * DuncanT is here early for a change | 15:59 | |
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| jgriffith | #startmeeting cinder | 16:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Wed Oct 31 16:01:37 2012 UTC. The chair is jgriffith. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:01 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'cinder' | 16:01 |
| thingee | o/ | 16:01 |
| jgriffith | e'lo, e'lo | 16:02 |
| vincent_hou | hello | 16:02 |
| DuncanT | hey | 16:02 |
| winston-d | hi~ | 16:02 |
| jgriffith | There's everybody :) | 16:02 |
| jgriffith | cool.. | 16:02 |
| jgriffith | Agenda: http://wiki.openstack.org/NovaVolumeMeetings | 16:02 |
| jgriffith | #topic removal of nova-volume code | 16:03 |
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| creiht | hehe | 16:03 |
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| jgriffith | :) | 16:03 |
| dricco | hello | 16:03 |
| creiht | I'll be here the first 30 mins | 16:03 |
| rnirmal | made it | 16:03 |
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| jgriffith | So... I think there was some confusion (on my part included) as to how the deprecation of nova-vol was going to happen | 16:03 |
| jgriffith | rnirmal: excellent | 16:03 |
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| jgriffith | For those that haven't seen patches have been going into nova master to remove nova-vol | 16:04 |
| jgriffith | A few folks were surprised by this, so thought I should make sure we brought it up today | 16:04 |
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| jgriffith | So it's deprecated in Folsom, out in Grizzly | 16:04 |
| hemna | yah that makes sense | 16:04 |
| hemna | it's confusing that both are in now | 16:04 |
| jgriffith | I know this might cause some trouble for some folks (rnirmal) | 16:04 |
| hemna | for those of us that want to run off of trunk | 16:04 |
| jgriffith | any concerns/issues from other folks that might be using nova-vol/master in production? | 16:05 |
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| rnirmal | well didn't seem to be really deprecated in folsom right since all patches were backported | 16:05 |
| jgriffith | rnirmal: Yep, agreed | 16:05 |
| DuncanT | We were expecting nova-volumes of be bugfix only for G, not pulled | 16:05 |
| jgriffith | So DuncanT were you all planning to *use* nova-vol in Grizzly? | 16:06 |
| DuncanT | This change is definitely causing us to have to change plans for realignment with trunk | 16:06 |
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| DuncanT | jgriffith: Possibly for a short period, yes | 16:06 |
| creiht | jgriffith: I don't think it was effectivly communicated to the community | 16:06 |
| hemna | I thought n-vol was out in Grizzly | 16:06 |
| rnirmal | the process as such. | 16:06 |
| jgriffith | creiht: You are correct, it was not | 16:07 |
| creiht | though I feared that might happen, and was one of the reasons we switched to cinder asap | 16:07 |
| jgriffith | hemna: Yes, some thought it was, some thougt it wasn't | 16:07 |
| hemna | heh ok | 16:07 |
| winston-d | i thought n-vol will be there for 2,3 more release | 16:07 |
| jgriffith | creiht: :) | 16:07 |
| DuncanT | jgriffith: It isn't that we can't do things differently, just that I specifically asked, got an answer and the answer was wrong | 16:07 |
| jgriffith | winston-d: No, but 1 maybe | 16:07 |
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| DuncanT | 1 more release, with no new features, was what we expected | 16:07 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: Yeah and I think that was more my fault than anybody elses | 16:07 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: TBH, that's what I expected as well | 16:08 |
| jgriffith | So, here's my point | 16:08 |
| jgriffith | If this is going to be a huge deal for folks we can always go to the Nova team and state a case for leaving it in as deprecated | 16:09 |
| jgriffith | TBH I'm happy to see it gone, but I understand the *real* world works differently | 16:09 |
| winston-d | jgriffith, TBH i'm happy too, but i'm not a operation guy. | 16:09 |
| DuncanT | So my biggest concern is how to avoid this happening again with other nova <-> cinder integration issues in future. Seeing it back in and depricated according to communicated schedule would be nice, but is a secondary concern | 16:10 |
| jgriffith | winston-d: yes, you and I are lucky | 16:10 |
| DuncanT | Seeing it stay in until after G-1 would be a good compremise, maybe? | 16:10 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: Well, as far as Cinder... I'll learn from my mistakes :) | 16:10 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: I can't promise what other folks/projects will do | 16:10 |
| rnirmal | yeah agree with DuncanT on atleast till G-1 | 16:11 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: Although TBH as I mentioned I was just as surprised to see it removed | 16:11 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: rnirmal Ok, I'll talk to vish about it | 16:11 |
| winston-d | so if n-vol stays in G, will new features be added to it? no? | 16:12 |
| jgriffith | winston-d: no | 16:12 |
| DuncanT | 'No' I believe is the right answer there | 16:12 |
| jgriffith | winston-d: it would be deprecated, just there for compat issues | 16:12 |
| creiht | yeah I don't think new features should be added | 16:12 |
| winston-d | good then. | 16:12 |
| jgriffith | Keep in mind this introduces a significant issue for cinder migrations though | 16:12 |
| creiht | but "critical" bug fixes and security fixes are likely candidates to backport | 16:12 |
| creiht | at least in my opinion | 16:13 |
| winston-d | creiht, agree | 16:13 |
| jgriffith | So one of the things that worked in our favor for migrating folsom-nova-vol -->cinder was everything was the *same* | 16:13 |
| jgriffith | That was part of the logic behind the sync up between the two | 16:13 |
| jgriffith | If we did the deprecated/leave it in Grizzly and move forward with cinder | 16:14 |
| DuncanT | That is why I think post-G1 is a good compremise - they aren't carrying cruft for too long and certainly no where near a release, and those who were organised have already migrated | 16:14 |
| jgriffith | migrating from folsom/nova-vol to grizzly/cinder could be problematic | 16:14 |
| creiht | it already is problematic :) | 16:14 |
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| jgriffith | creiht: yes, it is... but I suspect it could get significantly worse | 16:14 |
| creiht | oh certainly | 16:15 |
| rnirmal | well if it's deprecated.. I don't think we need to support a grizzly migration path | 16:15 |
| jgriffith | rnirmal: I wish that were true | 16:15 |
| jgriffith | rnirmal: but I don't think it is | 16:15 |
| rnirmal | hmm | 16:15 |
| jgriffith | perhaps I'm wrong on that | 16:15 |
| jgriffith | But regardless it doesn't seem like it would be the *right* thing to do | 16:16 |
| jgriffith | and I'd REALLY like to put the issues associated with migrations behind us | 16:16 |
| creiht | yeah you still have to have a migration path | 16:16 |
| jgriffith | the reality is that if/when bugs came in for it we'd have to deal with them | 16:16 |
| creiht | jgriffith: that's why I said only "critical" bugs | 16:16 |
| jgriffith | So... it sounds like folks would like to see nova-vol in until G1 at least? | 16:16 |
| creiht | like attach doesn't work any more | 16:16 |
| jgriffith | creiht: I have a patch in to fix that :) | 16:17 |
| * jgriffith hints to folks to check reviews :) | 16:17 | |
| creiht | oh I was giving that as just an example :) | 16:17 |
| creiht | didn't realize it was actually broken | 16:17 |
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| jgriffith | creiht: I know, but it was a perfect segway :) | 16:17 |
| jgriffith | creiht: OHHH | 16:17 |
| jgriffith | creiht: never mind then, nothing to see here | 16:17 |
| creiht | jgriffith: perhaps if you could find someone to volunteer to be the steward of nova-volume? | 16:17 |
| jgriffith | creiht: It was actually non-cinder related | 16:17 |
| jgriffith | creiht: interesting idea | 16:18 |
| jgriffith | creiht: So there would be two sides to it | 16:18 |
| jgriffith | 1. finding a volunteer | 16:18 |
| jgriffith | 2. getting together with the nova team to agree | 16:18 |
| creiht | jgriffith: because I do agree that it would be a lot on your plate to try to manage both cinder and nova-volume | 16:18 |
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| hemna | Is the Nova team wanting to nuke it now? | 16:18 |
| jgriffith | It's not even that so much as it just *sucks* :) | 16:18 |
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| jgriffith | hemna: They've already started | 16:19 |
| creiht | jgriffith: well my thought is that if someone really needs it still, they will want to make sure it still works :) | 16:19 |
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| jgriffith | creiht: agreed | 16:19 |
| creiht | if nobody stands up, then maybe that means that they can remove it | 16:19 |
| rnirmal | creiht: true.. whether that needs to happen in the open or just have them manage it internally | 16:19 |
| jgriffith | Wondering if we should take a vote? | 16:19 |
| winston-d | ok | 16:20 |
| DuncanT | I need to have a wider discussion here to find out how concerned we are... can I get 24 hours or so to do that please? | 16:20 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: absolutely | 16:20 |
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| rnirmal | same here | 16:20 |
| jgriffith | So we can sit on this for the moment and wait for some feedback? | 16:20 |
| jgriffith | That's cool by me | 16:20 |
| hemna | +1 | 16:20 |
| jgriffith | Do what you need to and hit me up with your cases | 16:20 |
| DuncanT | Cool, cheers | 16:21 |
| jgriffith | Ok... shall we move on? | 16:21 |
| winston-d | i can collect some feedback from local cloud vendors | 16:21 |
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| jgriffith | I'm not making any promises by the way | 16:21 |
| jgriffith | Just saying if it's a major issue we can look at fixing it | 16:21 |
| rnirmal | jgriffith: :) | 16:21 |
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| jgriffith | Ok.. next topic | 16:22 |
| jgriffith | #topic blueprint updates | 16:23 |
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| creiht | jgriffith: yeah I still need to get those in... :) | 16:23 |
| creiht | for the api stuff | 16:23 |
| jgriffith | creiht: :) | 16:23 |
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| jgriffith | I was hoping to have the G1 stuff at minimum all set up by end of week or Monday at latest | 16:24 |
| DuncanT | No progress from us either | 16:24 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: creiht Does end of this week seem doable? | 16:24 |
| creiht | jgriffith: yeah I think I can try to focus on that Thurs/Fri | 16:25 |
| jgriffith | I don't think it's the end of the world, but it would just be nice to have a reasonable road-map going sooner rather than later | 16:25 |
| creiht | yeah I agre | 16:25 |
| creiht | agree | 16:25 |
| kmartin | jgriffith, we have entered the FC Channel support blueprint and meeting again tomorrow with the list of interested parties(Broacade, IBM, ...) | 16:25 |
| hemna | stupid question, is G1 the first sprint of Grizzly dev (month from now) ? | 16:25 |
| DuncanT | I'll see what we can do. Seems like a reasonable aim | 16:25 |
| creiht | gotta run, sorry... will check the backlog later | 16:25 |
| jgriffith | hemna: yes | 16:25 |
| hemna | thnx | 16:25 |
| jgriffith | creiht: No worries... catch ya later | 16:25 |
| jgriffith | grizzly release schedule: http://wiki.openstack.org/GrizzlyReleaseSchedule | 16:26 |
| hemna | thank you | 16:26 |
| jgriffith | Ok, so just wanted to throw that out as a reminder. If you have blueprints you know you're going to want try to get them in and we should try and get them targetted by Monday | 16:27 |
| rnirmal | jgriffith: how are we prioritizing items for G1 ? | 16:27 |
| DuncanT | End of the week for blueprints looks far more reasonable with that on my screen :-) | 16:27 |
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| rnirmal | just based on if someone is going to get it done by g1 | 16:27 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: :) | 16:27 |
| jgriffith | rnirmal: So far it's been completely subjective... I look at the BP and mark it | 16:28 |
| jgriffith | :) | 16:28 |
| rnirmal | ah ok | 16:28 |
| jgriffith | rnirmal: Right now that's fine | 16:28 |
| jgriffith | rnirmal: If folks start getting stuff posted that will change | 16:28 |
| jgriffith | hemna: I have a meeting this afternoon to talk about your FC blueprint | 16:29 |
| hemna | cool | 16:29 |
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| jgriffith | hemna: That's going to need some work/detail added | 16:29 |
| rnirmal | cool... would be better to get a clearer picture of what's being worked on looking at the blueprints | 16:29 |
| hemna | the 3Par driver blueprint should be moved to G2 | 16:29 |
| jgriffith | rnirmal: agreed | 16:29 |
| jgriffith | hemna: ok | 16:29 |
| hemna | It's basically done, but there are external deps I'm still working on ironing out. | 16:30 |
| jgriffith | anybody else have bp's they're active on that they'd like to see targetted to a specific release? | 16:30 |
| DuncanT | Will let you know by the end of the week | 16:31 |
| jgriffith | hemna: I've updated the BP and assigned you. Make sure you keep things updated | 16:31 |
| kmartin | jgriffith: we can talk about schedule for the FC this afternoon thinking G2 or G3 | 16:31 |
| hemna | thanks, will do | 16:31 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: thanks | 16:31 |
| hemna | I'll add more details to the BP | 16:31 |
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| jgriffith | kmartin: Sure | 16:31 |
| jgriffith | speaking of BP's... no bswartz? | 16:31 |
| jgriffith | anybody else from NetApp around? | 16:32 |
| winston-d | i'd like to see if vol-type-scheduler can make it in G1. and volume RPC API in G1 too. | 16:32 |
| jgriffith | winston-d: Yes! I agree on both | 16:32 |
| jgriffith | winston-d: Just need to get the reviews in | 16:32 |
| winston-d | jgriffith, :) | 16:32 |
| jgriffith | Ok, so we don't need to talk NFS today? | 16:32 |
| jgriffith | Or do folks have some input on it? | 16:33 |
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| jgriffith | I still haven't seen anything on the ML either | 16:33 |
| hemna | NFS part of cinder??? | 16:33 |
| jgriffith | hemna: Yes, that's the proposal | 16:33 |
| jgriffith | alright, I'm going to move off of that subject :) | 16:34 |
| jgriffith | I didn't get the volume-type wiki done but should have it in the next day or two | 16:34 |
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| arosen | .hiub #openstack-ci | 16:34 |
| jgriffith | I'll let folks know when it's up | 16:34 |
| jgriffith | One other thing I wanted to ask.... | 16:34 |
| hemna | ok thanks, I'm interested in that | 16:34 |
| jgriffith | jdurgin: or thingee or anybody that's worked on the write_image to volume code | 16:35 |
| jgriffith | I've worked with a couple of folks trying to get this working and there was a lot of confusion | 16:35 |
| jgriffith | I'm wondering if it would be possible for somebody that has gotten it to work to write up a short wiki on the steps on how to do it | 16:36 |
| jgriffith | ? | 16:36 |
| * jgriffith hears crickets chirping... | 16:36 | |
| DuncanT | I think we've probably somebody who can make some input on that, sure | 16:36 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: that would be great, anything would be useful | 16:37 |
| DuncanT | I think we've had to add patches to cope with QCOW images too, which we should push out some time soon | 16:37 |
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| thingee | sorry write_image? clone image or copy image to volume? | 16:37 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: ahhh.. that may be why it wouldn't work for me | 16:37 |
| jgriffith | thingee: my bad.. .copy image to volume | 16:37 |
| thingee | gotcha | 16:37 |
| jgriffith | thingee: and how to boot it | 16:38 |
| DuncanT | jgriffith: Yeah, with the default code you need a 'raw' image | 16:38 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: Well that's why mine kept bombing out most likely | 16:38 |
| thingee | :) | 16:38 |
| DuncanT | Got some instructions for converting a standard qcow image to raw somewhere, will send them on | 16:38 |
| jgriffith | Ok, if we could get a wiki on this it would be immensely helpful for folks | 16:38 |
| thingee | jgriffith: ok | 16:38 |
| thingee | marking it | 16:39 |
| jgriffith | I propose adding a section here: http://wiki.openstack.org/Cinder | 16:39 |
| jgriffith | Mabye a Features/How-To section | 16:39 |
| jgriffith | Then we can port them to docs.openstack.org at some point | 16:40 |
| jgriffith | s/we/I/ | 16:40 |
| jgriffith | :) | 16:40 |
| thingee | sounds good | 16:40 |
| jgriffith | awesome! | 16:40 |
| winston-d | good point, definitely helpful for docs. | 16:40 |
| jgriffith | yeah, we really need to fix that problem at some poing :) | 16:41 |
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| jgriffith | point! | 16:41 |
| jgriffith | #topic bug management | 16:41 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "bug management" | 16:41 | |
| jgriffith | Just a reminder, especially for folks that want to get involved but aren't sure how/where | 16:41 |
| jgriffith | check out the bugs list and grab one :) | 16:42 |
| jgriffith | Most of the valid ones are assigned/in-progress so that's good | 16:42 |
| jgriffith | Let's just make sure we don't get behind the curve | 16:42 |
| jgriffith | rnirmal: I'm waiting on a couple for the driver layout refactor | 16:43 |
| jgriffith | rnirmal: Not sure if you saw my comments on that last patch or not | 16:43 |
| rnirmal | jgriffith: yeah did see that | 16:43 |
| jgriffith | everybody else: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/15038/ | 16:43 |
| jgriffith | rnirmal: Does my proposal suck? | 16:44 |
| rnirmal | I'll update that today... so good with cinder/volume/driver/* | 16:44 |
| jgriffith | rnirmal: cool! | 16:44 |
| rnirmal | yeah that just breaks backward compatibility in config for the san drivers | 16:44 |
| rnirmal | actually for all the other ones too | 16:44 |
| jgriffith | rnirmal: Unless we go volume/driver/san right? | 16:44 |
| rnirmal | if that's ok | 16:44 |
| rnirmal | except for the ones in driver.py already | 16:44 |
| jgriffith | Hmmm ? | 16:44 |
| rnirmal | jgriffith: talking about moving all the other drivers under cinder/volume/driver/ too right? | 16:45 |
| rnirmal | this leads to something jdurgin mentioned glance was doing | 16:45 |
| jgriffith | rnirmal: yes | 16:45 |
| rnirmal | not depending on the python modules structure to configure the drivers | 16:46 |
| jgriffith | rnirmal: they all inherrit from the base VolumeDriver don't they? | 16:46 |
| rnirmal | jgriffith: yes | 16:46 |
| jgriffith | So I was thinking this layout would work by replacing driver.py with and __init__ in volume/driver/ | 16:46 |
| jgriffith | but maybe I'm wrong | 16:46 |
| jgriffith | Also interested in what you and jdurgin talked about | 16:47 |
| rnirmal | jgriffith: yes it works for the ones already in driver.py | 16:47 |
| jgriffith | ahh.. ok, just the ones that aren't there. Hmm | 16:47 |
| jgriffith | Well, IMO it's important enough to require a change at some point | 16:47 |
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| rnirmal | take for example solidfire... currently it is volume_driver=cinder.volume.solidfire.SolidFire | 16:47 |
| rnirmal | it will become volume_driver=cinder.volume.driver.solidfire.SolidFire | 16:48 |
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| jgriffith | Yeah, and I have NO issue with that changing. Unless the Glance model is something we could adopt | 16:48 |
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| rnirmal | yeah that's what I was thinking | 16:48 |
| jgriffith | rnirmal: alright, I'll stop bugging you and let you sort it out :) | 16:49 |
| winston-d | i guess that's the pain we have to endure sooner or later? | 16:49 |
| rnirmal | if we are changing it.. might as well move to a better model than module names | 16:49 |
| jgriffith | rnirmal: +1 | 16:49 |
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| rnirmal | winston-d: yes. | 16:49 |
| jgriffith | winston-d: Yup, so we should do it *right* when we do it for sure | 16:50 |
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| winston-d | totally agree. | 16:50 |
| jgriffith | cool | 16:50 |
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| jgriffith | alright, I have a hard stop coming up here so I'm going to move to the next topic | 16:50 |
| jgriffith | #topic status updates | 16:50 |
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| rnirmal | docs? | 16:51 |
| jgriffith | rnirmal: yes, docs :) | 16:51 |
| rnirmal | jgriffith: I suppose that's a status update :P | 16:51 |
| jgriffith | haha | 16:51 |
| jgriffith | sadly the status is we haven't really made any progress there and we need to | 16:51 |
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| jgriffith | any volunteers? | 16:52 |
| jgriffith | chirp, chirp, chirp.... | 16:52 |
| jgriffith | I'll make it easy, even if you just want to write up a short google doc on your features etc | 16:53 |
| jgriffith | I'll put it into the official docs repo | 16:53 |
| winston-d | i'll do that for scheduler | 16:53 |
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| jgriffith | winston-d FTW!!!!! | 16:53 |
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| winston-d | volume types, extra specs | 16:54 |
| DuncanT | I have already foolishly volenteered to do a howto for BfV | 16:54 |
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| jgriffith | winston-d: I'll get the volume_types/extra-specs via the wiki I promised last week | 16:54 |
| jgriffith | winston-d: You're plate is getting full I noticed :) | 16:54 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: Yes, you're now officially on the hook :) | 16:54 |
| hemna | What is left to doc? | 16:55 |
| * jgriffith is happier now | 16:55 | |
| jgriffith | hemna: EVERYTHING | 16:55 |
| jgriffith | :( | 16:55 |
| hemna | lol | 16:55 |
| jgriffith | hemna: If we can get the items we mentioned here though it will go a long way | 16:55 |
| rnirmal | jgriffith: should this be coordinated with annegentle to get an official cinder doc | 16:55 |
| jgriffith | hemna: One other thing would be install/config | 16:55 |
| winston-d | so do we have a doc structure, like how many chapters, and what are they? | 16:55 |
| rnirmal | winston-d: that's what I was getting at | 16:56 |
| jgriffith | rnirmal: yes, but I'd like to just get something rough and then get her help with making it official | 16:56 |
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| jgriffith | she's already been very helpful and offered to work with us multiple times | 16:56 |
| jgriffith | I just haven't had any content to provide :( | 16:56 |
| hemna | I'd volunteer, but I haven't been plugged in long enough yet | 16:56 |
| * hemna is still getting up to speed | 16:56 | |
| rnirmal | jgriffith: understood cool. | 16:56 |
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| CaptTofu | Greetings all! | 16:56 |
| jgriffith | So everybody take a look at docs.openstack.org | 16:57 |
| jgriffith | That will give you an idea of what we *should* have, versus what we do have | 16:57 |
| CaptTofu | specific link on that site? | 16:57 |
| jgriffith | The Developer docs are in the cinder source... cinder/doc | 16:58 |
| jgriffith | CaptTofu: That is the link: http://docs.openstack.org/ | 16:58 |
| Kiall | CaptTofu, the cinder meeting is still going on | 16:58 |
| winston-d | i can provide some installation docs based on Folsom. | 16:58 |
| CaptTofu | oh, so very sorry. | 16:58 |
| jgriffith | haha | 16:58 |
| jgriffith | winston-d: great, the biggest thing folks miss right now is /etc/tgt/conf.d/ | 16:59 |
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| jgriffith | winston-d: and set_path was broken in ubuntu packaging | 16:59 |
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| jgriffith | and on that note.... | 16:59 |
| jgriffith | we should give up the room | 16:59 |
| jgriffith | Thanks everybody! | 16:59 |
| jgriffith | #endmeeting cinder | 16:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack meetings || Development in #openstack-dev || Help in #openstack" | 16:59 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Oct 31 16:59:56 2012 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:59 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2012/cinder.2012-10-31-16.01.html | 16:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2012/cinder.2012-10-31-16.01.txt | 17:00 |
| winston-d | thx, john. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2012/cinder.2012-10-31-16.01.log.html | 17:00 |
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| Kiall | Ryan_Lane, around? | 17:00 |
| Ryan_Lane | yep | 17:00 |
| markmcclain | we ready to start DNaaS? | 17:01 |
| jcmartin | hey everybody | 17:01 |
| rlz | Hey | 17:01 |
| Kiall | Great :) I presume you'll chair as you organized? | 17:01 |
| nsavin | hi | 17:01 |
| Ryan_Lane | sure. I need to figure out how the bot works | 17:01 |
| Ryan_Lane | !help | 17:01 |
| openstack | Ryan_Lane: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin. | 17:01 |
| mordred | Ryan_Lane: say "#startmeeting" | 17:01 |
| markmcclain | type #startmeeting DNSaas | 17:01 |
| Ryan_Lane | irc://irc.freenode.net:6697/#startmeeting DNSaas | 17:01 |
| Ryan_Lane | fucking adium | 17:02 |
| Ryan_Lane | #startmeeting DNSaaS | 17:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Oct 31 17:02:07 2012 UTC. The chair is Ryan_Lane. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:02 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'dnsaas' | 17:02 |
| jcmartin | will that be in the log ;-) | 17:02 |
| Ryan_Lane | heh | 17:02 |
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| zykes- | aloha | 17:02 |
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| Kiall | Hiya | 17:02 |
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| CaptTofu | greeting all (attempt #2) | 17:03 |
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| Ryan_Lane | let me find the etherpad | 17:03 |
| Ryan_Lane | anyone have a link handy? | 17:03 |
| Kiall | https://etherpad.openstack.org/openstack-dns | 17:03 |
| markmcclain | o/ | 17:03 |
| Kiall | + http://wiki.openstack.org/DNSaaS | 17:04 |
| Kiall | + https://docs.google.com/document/d/1UFoAc7E17XivlV7h2PD4SCMeEhLecvPw0GAaoq_JKCk/edit | 17:04 |
| jcmartin | I update http://wiki.openstack.org/DNSaaS with links | 17:05 |
| Ryan_Lane | https://etherpad.openstack.org/DNSaaS_initial_meeting | 17:05 |
| Ryan_Lane | that was for agenda | 17:05 |
| Ryan_Lane | well, let's get started then | 17:05 |
| Ryan_Lane | #topic agreement/recap of the initial feature set | 17:06 |
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| Ryan_Lane | has everyone had a chance to go over the linked information? | 17:06 |
| Kiall | I have | 17:06 |
| jcmartin | I added this one: Are we still agreeing on supporting only notification based A/PTR creation ? | 17:06 |
| jcmartin | for fixed IP and floating IP ? | 17:06 |
| zykes- | anyone from GD here ? | 17:07 |
| Ryan_Lane | hm. seems not. that's going to be a problem. | 17:07 |
| rlz | Yes | 17:07 |
| Ryan_Lane | ah. good | 17:07 |
| rlz | I'm from GD | 17:07 |
| zykes- | rlz: ok :) | 17:07 |
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| Kiall | jcmartin, that depends on the initial scope, internal DNS/internal+external DNS/external DNS | 17:07 |
| Ryan_Lane | even the nova DNS driver has support for managing zones | 17:08 |
| nsavin | I'm from GD | 17:08 |
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| Kiall | FYI: I wasn't at the summit - and could barely hear a thing on WebEx | 17:08 |
| Kiall | So - It's possible I'm in the dark around a few decisions | 17:08 |
| jcmartin | that's why i propose we recap | 17:09 |
| CaptTofu | Hi everyone, please to introduce you to Kiall, the fellow I was IRCing with | 17:09 |
| Ryan_Lane | well, let's discuss the initial feature set that we should be targeting | 17:09 |
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| jcmartin | tenant private zone with A record for UUID and instance name ? | 17:10 |
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| jcmartin | public zone with floating ip A record (or CNAME) ? | 17:11 |
| Ryan_Lane | I think those are definitely needed for initial feature set | 17:11 |
| nsavin | PTR records ? | 17:11 |
| Ryan_Lane | I think zone creation is also likely needed | 17:11 |
| jcmartin | PTR too | 17:11 |
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| CaptTofu | zone creation, A, CNAME, MX, ... | 17:11 |
| Ryan_Lane | PTR records should also be supported, if the backend needs them (some powerdns ldap backends don't) | 17:11 |
| jcmartin | Ryan_Lane: managed by tenant ? | 17:11 |
| Kiall | I would be looking for public zones with arbitrary records, in additional to generated A/PTR's for fixed and floating Ips | 17:12 |
| jcmartin | Kiall: should be second phase in my opinion | 17:12 |
| rlz | Is it good idea to generate names for floating IP automatically? | 17:12 |
| Kiall | jcmartin, any reasoning for that? | 17:13 |
| jcmartin | Should we postpone floating IP for now ? | 17:13 |
| Ryan_Lane | Kiall: one reason is then backends need to have some way of saying "I can't add records like that" | 17:13 |
| Kiall | Does arbitrary zone and record creation not provide the core of what's needed to handle automated record creation and deletion? | 17:13 |
| jcmartin | Kiall: would require REST service. Just phasing | 17:14 |
| Ryan_Lane | jcmartin: I think floating IP is very much needed for initial feature set | 17:14 |
| Kiall | jcmartin, right, but both nova-dns and Moniker have REST interfaces already | 17:14 |
| zykes- | uhm | 17:14 |
| jcmartin | I'm fine if there is time to implement everything, but it seems tight ... | 17:15 |
| zykes- | for floating IP's is really easy I think, just grab the last bits of the uuid and make a record ? | 17:15 |
| rlz | As I remember we were going to merge implementations first? | 17:15 |
| Ryan_Lane | yes | 17:15 |
| Ryan_Lane | that's another topic, though | 17:15 |
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| jcmartin | since there is no parity, between implementations, we need to work on feature set first | 17:16 |
| Kiall | rlz, you're Dmitry, yes? One of the nova-dns authors? | 17:16 |
| rlz | Why only last bits of the uuid? | 17:16 |
| rlz | Yes, I'm Dmitry | 17:17 |
| zykes- | rlz: cause anymore isn't needed or ? | 17:17 |
| jcmartin | Can we recap quickly on what is not controversial: A & PTR record for Fixed IP based on notification ? | 17:17 |
| Ryan_Lane | that's not controversial. | 17:18 |
| andrewbogott | rlz: Let's set aside implementation for now, and call that feature "Automatic record creation upon floating_ip assignment." Presumably the associated name will be something arbitrary and unique. | 17:18 |
| Ryan_Lane | I don't think floating IPs are either | 17:18 |
| jcmartin | in a tenant private zone, with tenant id as a name ? | 17:18 |
| Ryan_Lane | instance_name_template <-- | 17:18 |
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| Ryan_Lane | it should likely use that | 17:18 |
| Ryan_Lane | anyway, that's an implementation detail | 17:18 |
| Kiall | jcmartin, That's what I was thinking for auto fixed+floading IP records | 17:18 |
| Kiall | floating* | 17:19 |
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| jcmartin | can we record this with the meetbot thingy ? Ryan ? | 17:19 |
| Kiall | Ryan_Lane, agreed - lets not dig down into implementation detail just yet | 17:19 |
| andrewbogott | https://etherpad.openstack.org/GrizzlyDNSaaS | 17:19 |
| CaptTofu | I think meetbot is already running. | 17:19 |
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| Ryan_Lane | should this be under #action? | 17:20 |
| jcmartin | "#agreed" | 17:20 |
| Kiall | action is a "todo" | 17:20 |
| andrewbogott | (sorry, maybe adding etherpad to the mix is one too many channels) | 17:20 |
| Ryan_Lane | #agreed A/PTR for fixed IP networks should be in initial feature set | 17:21 |
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| Kiall | #agreed | 17:21 |
| jcmartin | Zone name = tenant id ? | 17:21 |
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| Ryan_Lane | actually, I'm a little confused by that | 17:21 |
| Ryan_Lane | isn't that something that would go into quantum? | 17:22 |
| jcmartin | that's what nova-dns does today i think | 17:22 |
| nsavin | exactly | 17:22 |
| rlz | Yes nova-dns behave in this way | 17:22 |
| Ryan_Lane | so, the dns service itself doesn't need to handle that | 17:22 |
| jcmartin | dns service has to create the zone though | 17:22 |
| rlz | As I remember quantum do not want to know about DNS anything. Just send notifications about addresses. | 17:23 |
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| Kiall | rlz, I agree with that - notifications are sent, the DNS service can act on them | 17:23 |
| rlz | Zone can be configured only in DNS service | 17:23 |
| jcmartin | yes, first feature is autopilot based on notification. No tenant involvement | 17:23 |
| Ryan_Lane | ok | 17:23 |
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| jcmartin | what's the status on zone naming then ? | 17:24 |
| Ryan_Lane | zone naming? | 17:24 |
| jcmartin | zone name = tenant id | 17:24 |
| nsavin | in quantum instance can have several associated IPs. Which one to use in DNS for A record ? | 17:24 |
| jcmartin | all of them ? | 17:25 |
| markmcclain | I think it depends on the network type | 17:25 |
| Kiall | jcmartin, Personally, that makes sense to me. But - I think that's an implementation detail. | 17:25 |
| Kiall | (Which can be decided later) | 17:25 |
| jcmartin | Kiall: I'm fine postponing. let's move on | 17:25 |
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| rlz | Kiall, what is implementation detail? | 17:25 |
| Ryan_Lane | ok. floating IPs? | 17:25 |
| jcmartin | Floating IP yes | 17:26 |
| Ryan_Lane | for floating IPs we likely need the ability to create and associate zones with tenants | 17:26 |
| andrewbogott | n.b. can we try to say 'domain' rather than 'zone'? 'zone' has a meaning within Nova so is ambiguous. | 17:26 |
| Kiall | rlz, the decision to use incrementing integer IDs or UUIDs for database recrods would be an implementation detail (most of the time) | 17:26 |
| Ryan_Lane | sorry, yes | 17:26 |
| jcmartin | domain too in libvirt | 17:27 |
| Ryan_Lane | ugh. domains are in keystone too | 17:27 |
| andrewbogott | crap! | 17:27 |
| Ryan_Lane | let's use DNS zone | 17:27 |
| andrewbogott | yep, ok. | 17:27 |
| zykes- | :p | 17:27 |
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| rlz | Same for fixed IPs - we need ability to create zones and associate them with tenant | 17:27 |
| dolphm | (sorry! love, -keystone) | 17:27 |
| andrewbogott | So right now we're talking about automatic entry creation for floating IPs right? | 17:28 |
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| jcmartin | rlz: who does that, tenant ? | 17:28 |
| Kiall | andrewbogott, yes | 17:28 |
| zykes- | rlz: shouldn't the "Tenant" maybe be allowed to "set" their local zone themselves ? | 17:28 |
| zykes- | or their zones | 17:28 |
| andrewbogott | So I think the question of dns zones: tenants is the same for both. | 17:28 |
| Ryan_Lane | rlz: I mean via the REST api | 17:28 |
| Kiall | zykes-, one issue with that is overlaps | 17:28 |
| zykes- | Kiall: overlaps how ? | 17:28 |
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| nsavin | in nova-dns zone created for tenant in nova-dns service lazy way. | 17:28 |
| Ryan_Lane | oh. automatic entry creation? | 17:28 |
| Ryan_Lane | sorry, I was thinking end-user entry creation | 17:29 |
| rlz | Same for me: I want to API to create and set zone to use for fixed and floating API separatly | 17:29 |
| andrewbogott | So the simple version is to use a template and create the dns zone the first time it is needed. | 17:29 |
| Kiall | zykes-, two tenants choosing the same DNS zone name. | 17:29 |
| andrewbogott | The complicated version is to add REST api to explicitly associate specific tenants with specific Zones. | 17:29 |
| Ryan_Lane | managing floating IPs creation and fixed IP creation is basically the same thing | 17:29 |
| Kiall | andrewbogott, yes - while that would be nice. I think that's probably more complicated than it seems at first glance. | 17:30 |
| Ryan_Lane | if we are using notifications for fixed, we could use them for floating, too | 17:30 |
| jcmartin | I suppose that the top level DNS zone will be provider owned, right ? | 17:30 |
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| Kiall | jcmartin, Yes - I would say so | 17:30 |
| jcmartin | notification for floating ip, yes. But what is used as the label/name ? | 17:30 |
| Ryan_Lane | if we're talking about auto-creation, yes | 17:30 |
| andrewbogott | Yes, we will have a 'phase one' feature set that's based entirely on notifications and templates. Then phase two will include REST that allows customization of a ton of things. | 17:30 |
| * andrewbogott suggests | 17:30 | |
| Ryan_Lane | jcmartin: well, many providers use the IP in the name | 17:30 |
| Ryan_Lane | I think basing it on a template is best, though | 17:31 |
| Kiall | also - nothing stopping you from registering lots of A records.. | 17:31 |
| Kiall | eg | 17:31 |
| Ryan_Lane | but that's implementation | 17:31 |
| andrewbogott | jcmartin: Can be a template that has access to one of many instance descriptors from the notification. | 17:31 |
| andrewbogott | jcmartin: e.g. uuid, ip, display name, etc. | 17:31 |
| Kiall | UUID.zone, instance_name.zone, secgroup.zone etc | 17:31 |
| jcmartin | template is fine. | 17:32 |
| Ryan_Lane | so, agreed that auto-creation of floating dns should also be in initial implementation? | 17:32 |
| Kiall | #agreed | 17:32 |
| jcmartin | however, you might be constrained by what is in the notification | 17:32 |
| Kiall | jcmartin, if needs be, we can query the nova/quantum APIs for more info | 17:33 |
| Kiall | (Or get the info added to the notification) | 17:33 |
| jcmartin | ok | 17:33 |
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| Ryan_Lane | #agreed auto-creation of floating dns should also be in initial implementation | 17:33 |
| markmcclain | If there are items missing from the Quantum notifications we should generate bugs | 17:34 |
| Ryan_Lane | indeed | 17:34 |
| markmcclain | most notifications include all of the info that Qunatum has on hand | 17:34 |
| Ryan_Lane | any other features we should target for initial feature set? | 17:34 |
| jcmartin | so to recap, first phase is: based on notification, we will create A & PTR record for fixed and floating ip. Zone will be created based on template driven schema | 17:34 |
| andrewbogott | Can we also clarify what an automatic record will look like? Are we strictly talking about a records, or is this configurable somehow? | 17:34 |
| Kiall | Ryan_Lane, I would argue for arbitrary zones and records. for 2 reasons: | 17:34 |
| rlz | rest API IMHO should be in the first implementation | 17:34 |
| andrewbogott | Oh, ok, there it is :) | 17:34 |
| Kiall | 1) Moniker already has this implemented ;) | 17:34 |
| Kiall | 2) Its *almost* free after being able to create/delete zones and add remove/records from the notifications | 17:35 |
| Ryan_Lane | I agree | 17:35 |
| andrewbogott | Implementing the REST is easy, agreeing on the feature set will be the hard part. | 17:35 |
| Ryan_Lane | anyone disagree with rest API for managing zones and arbitrary records? | 17:36 |
| jcmartin | Ok with me | 17:36 |
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| nsavin | already in nova-dns | 17:36 |
| andrewbogott | …or maybe not! | 17:36 |
| Ryan_Lane | #agreed rest API for managing zones and arbitrary records will be in initial feature set | 17:36 |
| Ryan_Lane | ok. I think that's more than enough features ;) | 17:36 |
| Ryan_Lane | next topic? | 17:37 |
| Ryan_Lane | #topic merging of projects | 17:37 |
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| jcmartin | there is nothing left in term of features anyway ;-) | 17:37 |
| Ryan_Lane | heh | 17:37 |
| Ryan_Lane | jcmartin: that's not true :) | 17:37 |
| zykes- | n39 | 17:37 |
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| Ryan_Lane | RR DNS, geodns, etc | 17:37 |
| Kiall | DNSSEC ;) | 17:37 |
| Kiall | Loads more to do. | 17:37 |
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| Ryan_Lane | indeed | 17:37 |
| CaptTofu | DNSSEC :) | 17:37 |
| jcmartin | I tried to do a comparison : https://docs.google.com/document/d/1UFoAc7E17XivlV7h2PD4SCMeEhLecvPw0GAaoq_JKCk/edit | 17:38 |
| CaptTofu | what about things like multicast? | 17:38 |
| Kiall | CaptTofu, you mean mDSN? | 17:38 |
| Kiall | mDNS* | 17:38 |
| Ryan_Lane | CaptTofu: I think we have enough features for initial project | 17:38 |
| CaptTofu | Just thinking of it. | 17:39 |
| Kiall | jcmartin, for the most part that doc was accurate for Moniker. | 17:39 |
| jcmartin | going back to merge : nova-dns seems a superset, but architecture is less aligned with end goal | 17:39 |
| Ryan_Lane | so, we have two projects that we could base the project on. both are fairly mature. we need to decide which one we'll use and how we'll merge | 17:39 |
| Ryan_Lane | let's start this the easy way | 17:40 |
| Kiall | Probably worth mentioning by bias ;) | 17:40 |
| Kiall | my bias* | 17:40 |
| Ryan_Lane | is one project willing to merge themselves into the other? :) | 17:40 |
| CaptTofu | heh | 17:40 |
| CaptTofu | what does merge mean in this case? | 17:41 |
| andrewbogott | Which of the two stand-alone implementations are the most OpenStack like? e.g. does either use common classes? The sqlalchemy, wsgi, etc? | 17:41 |
| Kiall | CaptTofu, yea. | 17:41 |
| CaptTofu | the latter does yes | 17:41 |
| jcmartin | I captured that in the doc | 17:41 |
| CaptTofu | moniker does, I mean | 17:41 |
| Kiall | For me - Merging means people, rather than code. Both are very different from a code POV | 17:41 |
| jcmartin | Moniker is the most openstack compliant | 17:41 |
| jcmartin | (and by the way, I like the codename too) | 17:41 |
| Kiall | andrewbogott, Moniker is almost exclusively openstack-common code | 17:41 |
| Kiall | jcmartin, thanks ;) | 17:42 |
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| jcmartin | nova-dns is more of an extension of nova | 17:42 |
| Ryan_Lane | moniker is based on rackspace api right? | 17:42 |
| CaptTofu | if you skeletonized it, it'd make a good study on an openstack project | 17:42 |
| CaptTofu | somewhat | 17:42 |
| Ryan_Lane | anyone from rackspace here? | 17:42 |
| Kiall | Ryan_Lane, It started that way. The API is not compatible anymore. | 17:42 |
| Kiall | But | 17:42 |
| CaptTofu | damn, I should let Kiall answer | 17:42 |
| Kiall | The API is built to be switchable | 17:43 |
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| jrodom | Ryan_Lane: im from rackspace, sorry been lurking :) | 17:43 |
| Kiall | implementing RS or R53's API would be trivial | 17:43 |
| jcmartin | one thing through me out in moniker: what is schema in the api ? | 17:43 |
| Ryan_Lane | well, it may not be a problem to be incompatible | 17:43 |
| Kiall | jcmartin, JSON Schemas - Used to define for format and rules for the API's JSON | 17:43 |
| Ryan_Lane | if rackspace is willing to work with us and base their api on ours for their next version | 17:43 |
| Kiall | #link http://json-schema.org/ | 17:43 |
| jrodom | Ryan_Lane: we're definintely interested in collaborating on this | 17:44 |
| Kiall | Ryan_Lane, I open to re-doing the API | 17:44 |
| Ryan_Lane | great | 17:44 |
| Kiall | I personally prefer my way ;) But am not overly attached. | 17:44 |
| jcmartin | proposal : start with moniker and merge in code from nova-dns | 17:44 |
| jrodom | this is just getting on my radar and i'd love to get my team more involved. was just trying to ensure we were trying to solve the same problem, which it seems like we are. | 17:44 |
| Ryan_Lane | yeah | 17:45 |
| andrewbogott | jcmartin: I think that's a good approach. Does moniker already have a well-defined back-end API for different DNS implementations? | 17:45 |
| jcmartin | back end need work IMHO | 17:45 |
| Kiall | andrewbogott, it's based on RPC agents - different actions trigger an RPC event for the DNS server agents to pick up | 17:45 |
| jcmartin | need more plugin based model | 17:45 |
| Kiall | as jcmartin says - the current backend implementation is far from stable | 17:46 |
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| jcmartin | rpc agen can be one implementation of the driver for file based DNS | 17:46 |
| Kiall | I actually have a PowerDNS agent implementation - but it's based on my clients code. | 17:46 |
| Kiall | So - for legal reasons - I simply can't release it | 17:46 |
| jcmartin | back to decision : merge which way ? | 17:46 |
| andrewbogott | There's a third candidate besides moniker and nova-dns, right? | 17:47 |
| Ryan_Lane | I'd say let's use moniker and merge nova-dns | 17:47 |
| Kiall | My bias should be obvious merge into Moniker, but I really want to hear what others this is best! | 17:47 |
| Ryan_Lane | is there any objection? should we take a vote? | 17:47 |
| zykes- | +1 on Kiall | 17:47 |
| jcmartin | let use the bot thinghy | 17:47 |
| CaptTofu | +1 on Moniker | 17:47 |
| Kiall | psst - Ryan_Lane #startvote | 17:47 |
| Ryan_Lane | #startvote | 17:48 |
| Kiall | psst - Ryan_Lane #startvote <vote subject> I think | 17:48 |
| Ryan_Lane | #startvote Use moniker and merge other projects in | 17:48 |
| andrewbogott | Um… wait, I don't understand what the alternatives are yet. I think we need to be clear on whose code we are discarding so that we have buy-in from the owners of that code. | 17:48 |
| andrewbogott | So, for example -- nova-dns is mine, you have my buy-in :) | 17:48 |
| Kiall | andrewbogott, there are 2 nova-dns projects ;) | 17:48 |
| Ryan_Lane | there's basically 3 | 17:48 |
| Kiall | The one built into nova | 17:48 |
| andrewbogott | Oh! I see. | 17:48 |
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| Kiall | and github.com/griddynamics/nova-dns | 17:49 |
| Ryan_Lane | ours, grid-dynamics and moniker | 17:49 |
| andrewbogott | So when we've been saying 'nova-dns' we were talking about griddynamics. | 17:49 |
| Ryan_Lane | #vote yes | 17:49 |
| andrewbogott | In that case we're good. | 17:49 |
| jcmartin | #vote yes | 17:49 |
| andrewbogott | #vote yes | 17:49 |
| Kiall | #vote yes | 17:49 |
| CaptTofu | #vote yes | 17:49 |
| markmcclain | #vote yes | 17:49 |
| jcmartin | gd guys ? | 17:49 |
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| Kiall | Yea - I really do want to hear from the GD crowd | 17:50 |
| rlz | We can agree but we need all functionally from current nova-dns | 17:50 |
| Ryan_Lane | agreed | 17:50 |
| Ryan_Lane | rlz: does the initial feature set proposed match it? | 17:50 |
| rlz | Not sure | 17:51 |
| Ryan_Lane | so, this won't mean that your project needs to immediately go away | 17:51 |
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| Ryan_Lane | it's just that we're picking a specific project that we'll want to push into incubation | 17:52 |
| rlz | Yes. We will stay on our project and wait | 17:52 |
| Kiall | rlz, can you produce a list of all current nova-dns features over the next few days? I would love to have that info readily available | 17:52 |
| nsavin | by the way, does moniker now listen for notifications and add/remove records in dns for instances ? | 17:52 |
| Ryan_Lane | and that over time, when moniker is ready for you, you can kill your other project | 17:52 |
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| Ryan_Lane | rlz: but it means that you'll need to start putting some of your code into moniker | 17:52 |
| jcmartin | nsavin : it does not, that's why your code is required | 17:52 |
| Kiall | nsavin, not yet. I actually started work on that a about an hour ago though | 17:52 |
| Kiall | But - Its far from working | 17:52 |
| Kiall | ;) | 17:52 |
| jcmartin | merge means 1+1 | 17:52 |
| Kiall | I would love to get some code handed to me instead :) | 17:53 |
| nsavin | for me nova-dns(our representation) looks like working thing. | 17:53 |
| Ryan_Lane | rlz: basically it means you'll be maintaining code in two places for a while | 17:53 |
| nsavin | and moniker - as skeleton of something distributed and not fully understandable for me | 17:53 |
| jcmartin | nsavin: your code is querying nova db : bad | 17:53 |
| nsavin | yeah. but better than do nothing ;) | 17:53 |
| jcmartin | through. but if we merge, I would think we can do it right | 17:54 |
| Kiall | nsavin, You're right - moniker currently does not listen to notifications, but does provide much of the other groundwork for actually actioning those notifications. | 17:54 |
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| jcmartin | can we close on the vote ? | 17:54 |
| Ryan_Lane | it would be good to get a yes or no from the gd people :) | 17:55 |
| Ryan_Lane | or abstain | 17:55 |
| Kiall | Ryan_Lane, whenever your ready.. it's #endvote Found the meetbot docs: http://ci.openstack.org/meetbot.html | 17:55 |
| nsavin | #vote no - moniker for me now just an "thing which possibly will work later" | 17:55 |
| rlz | Also I want to review API to make decision | 17:55 |
| Ryan_Lane | ok. ending vote in 30 seconds | 17:56 |
| Kiall | rlz, by API do you mean REST API? | 17:56 |
| rlz | Is current API described? | 17:56 |
| rlz | Yes, REST API | 17:56 |
| jcmartin | rlz:nsavin : you can start by reviewing and commenting on https://docs.google.com/document/d/1UFoAc7E17XivlV7h2PD4SCMeEhLecvPw0GAaoq_JKCk/edit#heading=h.r8knc0f9p9tq | 17:56 |
| Ryan_Lane | #endvote | 17:56 |
| Kiall | It's described by the JSON schemas here: https://github.com/managedit/moniker/blob/master/moniker/api/v1/schemas.py | 17:57 |
| Kiall | (and json-schema.org ) | 17:57 |
| nsavin | jsmartin: can' | 17:57 |
| Kiall | But - It's not documented yet. | 17:57 |
| nsavin | jcmartin: can't edit this document | 17:57 |
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| Kiall | jcmartin, can you port that doc to the wiki? | 17:58 |
| Ryan_Lane | so, I'm not very sure what decision that vote actually makes. | 17:58 |
| Ryan_Lane | are we going forward with moniker as a project that we'll eventually push into incubation? | 17:58 |
| Kiall | Ryan_Lane, The vote was "<Ryan_Lane> #startvote Use moniker and merge other projects in" | 17:59 |
| jcmartin | i'll mov the doc to the wiki if it's easier | 17:59 |
| Ryan_Lane | or do we need another meeting on this topic? | 17:59 |
| Kiall | Rough count of 6 or so yes and 1 no | 17:59 |
| * Ryan_Lane nods | 17:59 | |
| Ryan_Lane | no buy in from one of the three merging projects, though | 17:59 |
| rlz | JSON schemas is not an API description. It is just some JSON document description. It is not clear how to use this JSON documents, and way can be done through API | 18:00 |
| Kiall | rlz, agreed. Real documentation is certainly needed | 18:00 |
| Ryan_Lane | ok. we're out of time | 18:00 |
| nsavin | so can I ask that is now in and working in moniker project ? | 18:00 |
| rlz | http://openstack.griddynamics.com/docs/nova-dns/restapi.html | 18:01 |
| Ryan_Lane | we'll need to continue this off channel | 18:01 |
| CaptTofu | nsavin: you mean who is working on it? | 18:01 |
| Ryan_Lane | #endmeeting | 18:01 |
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| CaptTofu | ok | 18:01 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Oct 31 18:01:34 2012 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/dnsaas/2012/dnsaas.2012-10-31-17.02.html | 18:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/dnsaas/2012/dnsaas.2012-10-31-17.02.txt | 18:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/dnsaas/2012/dnsaas.2012-10-31-17.02.log.html | 18:01 |
| Kiall | how about #openstack-dns ? | 18:01 |
| Ryan_Lane | sounds good | 18:01 |
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