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| primeminsterp | #startmeeting hyper-v | 15:58 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Dec 18 15:58:35 2012 UTC. The chair is primeminsterp. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:58 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:58 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: hyper-v)" | 15:58 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'hyper_v' | 15:58 |
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| primeminsterp | Good day everyone | 15:58 |
| primeminsterp | try to keep it short and sweet today | 15:59 |
| primeminsterp | we'll wait a couple more minutes for others to join | 15:59 |
| primeminsterp | ociuhandu: ping | 16:00 |
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| primeminsterp | ociuhandu: is alex coming? | 16:00 |
| ociuhandu | yes, he'll be here in a minute or so | 16:01 |
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| ociuhandu | hello all, btw :) | 16:01 |
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| primeminsterp | ociuhandu: great | 16:02 |
| primeminsterp | thx | 16:02 |
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| primeminsterp | we'll wait a couple more minutes then | 16:03 |
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| alexpilotti | hi guys! | 16:06 |
| primeminsterp | alexpilotti: hey now | 16:06 |
| primeminsterp | great let's begin then | 16:06 |
| primeminsterp | luis_fdez: hi luis | 16:06 |
| luis_fdez | hi | 16:06 |
| alexpilotti | hi luis_fdez ! | 16:06 |
| primeminsterp | lifeless: howdy | 16:06 |
| primeminsterp | luis_fdez: thanks for the help testing bits | 16:06 |
| primeminsterp | #topic updates quantum | 16:06 |
| luis_fdez | that´s the least I can do! | 16:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "updates quantum (Meeting topic: hyper-v)" | 16:06 | |
| alexpilotti | lifeless: nice to see you here! | 16:06 |
| alexpilotti | primeminsterp: I guess I go with this one :-) | 16:07 |
| primeminsterp | so alexpilotti and pnavarro have done some work on the hyper-v/quantum vlan support | 16:07 |
| primeminsterp | we need to get some additional testing coverage | 16:07 |
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| alexpilotti | yep, VLAN stuff is almost done | 16:07 |
| alexpilotti | we need people helping out with tests | 16:08 |
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| primeminsterp | luis_fdez: are you deploying quantum yet on the linux side? | 16:08 |
| alexpilotti | also unit tests need to be written :-) | 16:08 |
| primeminsterp | yes | 16:08 |
| primeminsterp | that's key | 16:08 |
| primeminsterp | lifeless: any interest in helping test hyper-v/quantum vlan support? | 16:09 |
| luis_fdez | primeminsterp: not yet, for the next version of our system starting on january, so that's close | 16:09 |
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| primeminsterp | luis_fdez: is there a timeframe for hyper-v integration? | 16:09 |
| alexpilotti | luis_fdez: are you guys interested in the Hyper-V NVGRE Quantum plugin? | 16:10 |
| alexpilotti | luis_fdez: or you prefer old school VLANs? | 16:10 |
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| luis_fdez | 2013 Q1 we should be able to provide a proper pre-production hyper-v integration | 16:11 |
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| primeminsterp | luis_fdez: nice | 16:11 |
| primeminsterp | luis_fdez: please let me know if there is anything i can do | 16:11 |
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| primeminsterp | luis_fdez: during that process | 16:11 |
| primeminsterp | ok | 16:11 |
| primeminsterp | alexpilotti: anything additional updates on the quantum bits | 16:12 |
| luis_fdez | primeminsterp: thanks :) | 16:12 |
| primeminsterp | luis_fdez: please pass that on to jan and tim as well | 16:12 |
| alexpilotti | primeminsterp: that's it for now: VLAN almost done, tests required | 16:12 |
| primeminsterp | ok | 16:12 |
| luis_fdez | primeminsterp: ok :) | 16:12 |
| primeminsterp | next, then | 16:12 |
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| primeminsterp | #topic cinder | 16:12 |
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| primeminsterp | alexpilotti: have you been tracking downloads/usage on the cinder installer? | 16:13 |
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| primeminsterp | alexpilotti: also are you providing nightly's as w/ the nova bits? | 16:14 |
| alexpilotti | I have no data at hand, I can fetch the download stats | 16:14 |
| primeminsterp | no worries | 16:14 |
| alexpilotti | that' in the works | 16:14 |
| primeminsterp | just wondering | 16:14 |
| alexpilotti | I'm waiting to get a commit approved | 16:14 |
| alexpilotti | which is tuck on gerrit | 16:14 |
| primeminsterp | gotcha | 16:16 |
| primeminsterp | anyone I can poke? | 16:16 |
| primeminsterp | alexpilotti: ^ | 16:16 |
| alexpilotti | they are asking to change a line on a comment! I have to recommit | 16:16 |
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| primeminsterp | alexpilotti: hehe | 16:17 |
| primeminsterp | alexpilotti: so cinder/fc support | 16:17 |
| primeminsterp | alexpilotti: any more on that discussion | 16:17 |
| primeminsterp | i know we're thinking H | 16:17 |
| primeminsterp | unless other step in | 16:17 |
| primeminsterp | to help | 16:17 |
| alexpilotti | sure | 16:17 |
| primeminsterp | alexpilotti: have you done any research yet? | 16:18 |
| primeminsterp | alexpilotti: into what it would take? | 16:18 |
| alexpilotti | we have preliminary talks with HP, IBM and more about fiber channel support | 16:18 |
| primeminsterp | alexpilotti: that's what I'm talking about | 16:18 |
| primeminsterp | FC | 16:18 |
| primeminsterp | alexpilotti: now is the time to coordinate efforts | 16:18 |
| alexpilotti | I'm going to work on that post G2, as now it's hell on earth with the deadline :-) | 16:18 |
| primeminsterp | alexpilotti: i know sorry | 16:19 |
| primeminsterp | alexpilotti: and I haven't been helping much lately | 16:19 |
| alexpilotti | I'm going to partecipate on the meting (on the 20th) I think, with HP, Brocade, IBM and so on | 16:19 |
| primeminsterp | office move is killing me | 16:19 |
| primeminsterp | alexpilotti: great | 16:19 |
| primeminsterp | ok | 16:19 |
| primeminsterp | #topic ci update | 16:19 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "ci update (Meeting topic: hyper-v)" | 16:19 | |
| primeminsterp | so i finished the fixes on my pxe stuff and am going to start verifying everything works properly so we can start testing the first ring puppet manifests | 16:20 |
| primeminsterp | i'll be working with ociuhandu during that process | 16:21 |
| primeminsterp | still need to sync up w/ mordred | 16:21 |
| primeminsterp | and get some time time in | 16:21 |
| primeminsterp | but that's going to probably be after the holidays now | 16:21 |
| primeminsterp | alexpilotti: ociuhandu my goal is to work on spinning up the ring week between xmas and new years | 16:22 |
| primeminsterp | if possible | 16:22 |
| primeminsterp | alexpilotti: ociuhandu although we can discuss if that's even feasable | 16:22 |
| primeminsterp | after we start testing | 16:22 |
| primeminsterp | our puppet | 16:22 |
| primeminsterp | #topic cloudinit | 16:22 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "cloudinit (Meeting topic: hyper-v)" | 16:22 | |
| primeminsterp | cloud init testing | 16:23 |
| alexpilotti | primeminsterp: if we are lucky (as in finishing the G2 stuff) we were planning a few days off between xmas and newyearseve | 16:23 |
| primeminsterp | luis_fdez: you found some bugs | 16:23 |
| primeminsterp | alexpilotti: i was hoping so | 16:23 |
| primeminsterp | alexpilotti: i'll be doing the same | 16:23 |
| primeminsterp | alexpilotti: so let's realistically say | 16:23 |
| alexpilotti | primeminsterp: cool :-) | 16:23 |
| primeminsterp | week after newyears then | 16:23 |
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| primeminsterp | alexpilotti: i'm doing killing myself in this process | 16:23 |
| primeminsterp | er done | 16:23 |
| primeminsterp | not doing | 16:23 |
| primeminsterp | alexpilotti: ok | 16:24 |
| primeminsterp | luis_fdez: cloud init bug? | 16:24 |
| luis_fdez | primeminsterp: yes | 16:24 |
| primeminsterp | luis_fdez: are you finalizing the image w/ a sysprep on the first boot? | 16:24 |
| luis_fdez | I found something while first run of cloudinit | 16:24 |
| alexpilotti | luis_fdez: did you get my latest email about sysprep? | 16:24 |
| primeminsterp | thought i read something re: causing a reboot at the end | 16:24 |
| primeminsterp | wmi subsystem initialization... | 16:25 |
| luis_fdez | alexpilotti: yes... but I can figure out what could be the problem... maybe waiting for wmi some way could be ok | 16:25 |
| primeminsterp | alexpilotti: you think it's not up at that poing | 16:25 |
| primeminsterp | er point | 16:25 |
| alexpilotti | luis_fdez: we did a lot of tests with rebooting the vms w/o issues, what we didn't test is to do that i conjunction w sysprep | 16:26 |
| luis_fdez | but there is a difference between the boot after specialize the image and a normal boot | 16:26 |
| alexpilotti | luis_fdez: as you know the sysprep boot is not a regular one as a lot of initialization is going on under the hood | 16:27 |
| luis_fdez | alexpilotti: yeps | 16:27 |
| alexpilotti | luis_fdez: but I'd say that this definitely an important use case | 16:27 |
| alexpilotti | luis_fdez: I mean sysprep + cloud-init | 16:27 |
| primeminsterp | alexpilotti: definately | 16:27 |
| primeminsterp | alexpilotti: probably the default use case | 16:27 |
| primeminsterp | if would say so | 16:27 |
| alexpilotti | luis_fdez: can you please do a test like this: | 16:28 |
| alexpilotti | luis_fdez: install cloud-init as usual | 16:28 |
| alexpilotti | luis_fdez: set the service as disabled | 16:28 |
| alexpilotti | luis_fdez: sysprep | 16:28 |
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| alexpilotti | luis_fdez: reboot | 16:28 |
| alexpilotti | luis_fdez: set the service as manual and start it | 16:28 |
| alexpilotti | luis_fdez: if it works fine, it means that we simply have to start the service after all the sysprep is done, by simply add a dependency | 16:29 |
| luis_fdez | alexpilotti: ok! I'll let you know as soon as I test it | 16:29 |
| primeminsterp | nice | 16:29 |
| alexpilotti | luis_fdez: tx!! | 16:29 |
| primeminsterp | ok then | 16:29 |
| alexpilotti | BTW, thanks to mirantis we have EC2 metadata support | 16:29 |
| primeminsterp | alexpilotti: on the cloudinit for windows bits? | 16:30 |
| alexpilotti | they contributed the code on our cloudbase-init project | 16:30 |
| alexpilotti | yes | 16:30 |
| primeminsterp | alexpilotti: great! | 16:30 |
| primeminsterp | that's awesome news | 16:30 |
| alexpilotti | primeminsterp: and they take care on supporting it | 16:30 |
| primeminsterp | even better | 16:30 |
| primeminsterp | ;) | 16:30 |
| primeminsterp | i owe them a beer | 16:31 |
| primeminsterp | so | 16:31 |
| primeminsterp | #topic general updates | 16:31 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "general updates (Meeting topic: hyper-v)" | 16:31 | |
| alexpilotti | I spoke with the cloud-init guys, integration in the Canonical Linux cloud-init should'nt be far away | 16:31 |
| primeminsterp | alexpilotti: how long | 16:31 |
| primeminsterp | off | 16:31 |
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| luis_fdez | I have to go guys... I'll take a look at the minutes for the rest of the meeting | 16:31 |
| alexpilotti | primeminsterp: hard to tell, depends on when they do the refactoring | 16:31 |
| luis_fdez | thanks for the help! | 16:32 |
| primeminsterp | luis_fdez: thanks | 16:32 |
| alexpilotti | primeminsterp: anyway "H" timeframe | 16:32 |
| primeminsterp | luis_fdez: have a good holiday if i don't catch you before | 16:32 |
| primeminsterp | alexpilotti: ok | 16:32 |
| alexpilotti | luis_fdez: tx again man! | 16:32 |
| luis_fdez | primeminsterp: you too :) | 16:32 |
| luis_fdez | alexpilotti: I don't forget one beer! | 16:32 |
| primeminsterp | hehe | 16:32 |
| luis_fdez | bye! | 16:32 |
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| alexpilotti | luis_fdez: one? you already deserve a full box! | 16:33 |
| primeminsterp | anyone have anything else to add? | 16:33 |
| primeminsterp | re: hyper-v/windows/ad | 16:33 |
| primeminsterp | alexpilotti: ok then | 16:33 |
| primeminsterp | calling it if there there's nothing else | 16:33 |
| primeminsterp | #endmeeting | 16:33 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Dec 18 16:33:41 2012 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:33 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/hyper_v/2012/hyper_v.2012-12-18-15.58.html | 16:33 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/hyper_v/2012/hyper_v.2012-12-18-15.58.txt | 16:33 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/hyper_v/2012/hyper_v.2012-12-18-15.58.log.html | 16:33 |
| alexpilotti | bye! | 16:33 |
| ociuhandu | bye | 16:33 |
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| henrynash | Hi all… | 18:00 |
| heckj | keystone meeting? | 18:00 |
| kwss | Hi | 18:00 |
| dolphm | heckj: welcome back, btw! | 18:00 |
| heckj | #startmeeting keystone | 18:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Dec 18 18:00:37 2012 UTC. The chair is heckj. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:00 |
| dwchadwick | hi | 18:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 18:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'keystone' | 18:00 |
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| heckj | dolphm: thanks | 18:00 |
| egallen | hi | 18:01 |
| heckj | Agenda updated at http://wiki.openstack.org/Meetings/KeystoneMeeting | 18:01 |
| heckj | #link http://wiki.openstack.org/Meetings/KeystoneMeeting | 18:01 |
| heckj | egallen: welcome! | 18:01 |
| heckj | Not sure what you guys hit last week - nobody updated the wiki with the keystone meeting notes, so some of the agenda topics may be moot | 18:01 |
| ayoung | Hey Ho | 18:02 |
| heckj | ayoung! | 18:02 |
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| heckj | ayoung, dolphm : Anything remaining from last weeks' agenda that's still relevant today? I just appended on Henry's requests to the list up on the wiki | 18:02 |
| ayoung | heckj, we need to keep around the old Agenda's... | 18:02 |
| dolphm | ayoung: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2012/keystone.2012-12-04-18.00.html | 18:04 |
| heckj | I've been pasting the meeting notes into the wiki at the end, but it looks like last week we missed that - not sure what you covered and what you didn't. | 18:04 |
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| heckj | Ah, found it: #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2012/keystone.2012-12-11-18.00.html | 18:05 |
| ayoung | heckj, so the old action items are all on the agenda for this week. | 18:06 |
| ayoung | with the exception of #3 | 18:06 |
| heckj | ayoung: cool, thanks | 18:06 |
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| heckj | #topic burning issues? | 18:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "burning issues? (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 18:06 | |
| heckj | Anything? | 18:06 |
| heckj | I haven't triaged any bugs in a couple weeks, so haven't even looked | 18:06 |
| ayoung | heckj, neither have I. Lets just make that a #action | 18:06 |
| dolphm | bugsquash day was last week, so i went through a few | 18:07 |
| heckj | #action heckj, dolphm, and ayoung to triage through new bugs and review open high priority bugs | 18:07 |
| heckj | dolphm: any standing out that need immediate attention? | 18:07 |
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| dolphm | heckj: not that i'm aware of | 18:08 |
| heckj | kk | 18:08 |
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| heckj | moving on... | 18:08 |
| heckj | #topic Groups/Attributes | 18:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Groups/Attributes (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 18:08 | |
| ayoung | gyee, anything to add on " write up strategy is for implementing keyring, covering (at least) 3 uses: automated , HTTPD, CLI" | 18:08 |
| heckj | ayoung, dwchadwick ? | 18:08 |
| ayoung | actually, table that | 18:08 |
| gyee | ayoung, I haven't get to it yet | 18:08 |
| gyee | probably this week | 18:09 |
| ayoung | heckj, gave it a first pass | 18:09 |
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| henrynash | so on groups/attributes, we have had the reviews of the api, client and wii server code this week | 18:09 |
| heckj | ayoung, henrynash : what are the next steps there? | 18:09 |
| henrynash | I think the action for this week as to endorse (or not) the action to submit a reference design based on RBAC as per the blueprint | 18:10 |
| ayoung | heckj, I think it is relatively close in impl. We have an approach that will work for LDAP, but a SQL only version can go in first | 18:10 |
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| heckj | dolphm: you were providing overall feedback in there as well - any concerns on your end, otherwise general tone sounds like "move forward with it"? | 18:11 |
| henrynash | ayoung: +1 | 18:11 |
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| ayoung | henrynash, actually, can you open a ticket for LDAP backend? | 18:12 |
| dolphm | heckj: i like where it's headed... i think the API & client are both pretty close to being mergeable, but i haven't completely reviewed the latest patches | 18:12 |
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| henrynash | ayoung: will do - we need to do something to the current server code, since the test_backend fails since it calls the ldap stuff anyway | 18:13 |
| heckj | #action henrynash to open a ticket on making an LDAP backend for groups/attributes | 18:13 |
| ayoung | henrynash, put skip tests in the LDAP backend for now | 18:13 |
| ayoung | er, test_backend_ldap | 18:13 |
| henrynash | ayoung: yep, that was the plan | 18:14 |
| dwchadwick | from my perspective I dont know what the LDAP design is. I have not seen it written down anyway | 18:14 |
| dolphm | heckj: if you do that ^ cite the bug number in the test skip message | 18:14 |
| dolphm | henrynash: ** | 18:14 |
| ayoung | dwchadwick, yes you have, we ahve been batting it back and forth in email. | 18:14 |
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| heckj | #agreed: continue review of groups/attributes and drive towards a SQL-first implementation | 18:14 |
| heckj | dolphm: heh, autocomplete, eh? | 18:14 |
| dwchadwick | So it is hard to comment on whether you have the right approach or not | 18:14 |
| dolphm | heckj: +1 | 18:14 |
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| dolphm | heckj: typing more than two characters of anyone's name is beyond my muscle memory | 18:15 |
| heckj | #topic keyring | 18:15 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "keyring (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 18:15 | |
| dwchadwick | ayoung. But it is not finalised is it? At least you have not responded to the latest emails on it | 18:15 |
| heckj | sorry, going in order on the agenda list so I can keep things straight | 18:15 |
| ayoung | dwchadwick, there was one small question in the last email you sent which I haven;t responded to, but it is close. Anyway, we can nail down all the details prior to impl....I fel like we are on the right track. My concern is really mapping this sto someonerunning AD.... | 18:16 |
| dwchadwick | My concern was primarily mapping the groups to roles/project, not how the groups are stored | 18:17 |
| ayoung | heckj, 2 agenda additions: 1 mapping 2 register modules. We can discuss those at the end? | 18:17 |
| dwchadwick | As I have said before, I think we should try to maximise code re-use not write code to be discarded next release | 18:18 |
| heckj | ayoung: yep | 18:18 |
| ayoung | lets move onto keyring. We can close out the LDAP impl in email | 18:18 |
| dwchadwick | ayoung. agreed | 18:19 |
| heckj | gyee: you were answering about keyring earlier - sounds like theres still a pending "write up strategy?" | 18:20 |
| gyee | heckj, yes, I will work on that this week | 18:21 |
| heckj | #action: gyee to write up strategy on keyring - HTTPD, CLI, automated | 18:22 |
| heckj | anything else on keyring? ayoung? gyee? | 18:22 |
| gyee | I need to do some research on how to use keyring with automation | 18:22 |
| heckj | cool, moving on... | 18:23 |
| gyee | which rst file should I add the stuff to? | 18:23 |
| ayoung | heckj, just that I think keyring is going to be strategic | 18:23 |
| ayoung | we are going to need it for anyone that is the least bit paranoid | 18:23 |
| ayoung | cleartext passwords are a no no | 18:24 |
| heckj | ayoung: yep, it's a good idae | 18:24 |
| ayoung | to use an industry term | 18:24 |
| heckj | #topic module refactoring - where to put controllers? | 18:24 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "module refactoring - where to put controllers? (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 18:24 | |
| ayoung | heckj, I haven't investigated, but I would like to see if we can use keyring to front nss | 18:24 |
| ayoung | heckj, resolved | 18:24 |
| ayoung | that was merged | 18:24 |
| dolphm | ayoung: i prefer the industry term "Very Bad Idea(tm)" | 18:24 |
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| heckj | ayoung: excellent | 18:24 |
| ayoung | dolphm, ISO versus NIST | 18:25 |
| heckj | #topic trusts | 18:25 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "trusts (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 18:25 | |
| heckj | ayoung: status? | 18:25 |
| ayoung | trusts keep falling behind refactorings | 18:25 |
| ayoung | so right now... | 18:25 |
| ayoung | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/18269/ | 18:26 |
| ayoung | not sure this is 100% the end state, but we need something like this | 18:26 |
| dwchadwick | I still have one issue on the design which is, the default trust should be to delegate a role to delegate so that he is your full delegate. Then you can optionally add restraints to this | 18:26 |
| ayoung | it grew out of the "controllers" question from last week | 18:26 |
| heckj | #action review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/18269/ | 18:27 |
| ayoung | dwchadwick, I understand why you say that, but the way that we are enforcing token access won't permit that | 18:27 |
| ayoung | tokens have signed in them the allowed attributes | 18:27 |
| ayoung | we can't say "anything not signed in the token is allowedd" | 18:27 |
| ayoung | So anything that is going to be used as an attribute has to be explicitly enumerated already | 18:28 |
| dwchadwick | ayoung thinks that the default trust should be a constrained trust, whereas I think it should be unconstrained by default. then you add all the constraints you want as extra parameters. Otherwise if you have a constrained trust as the default, you will need to add some parameters to remove some constraints and other parameters to add other constraints. Which is not a good design in | 18:28 |
| dwchadwick | my opion | 18:28 |
| ayoung | In order to do what you are suggesting, we would need to go back to online verification | 18:28 |
| ayoung | dwchadwick, so.... | 18:28 |
| ayoung | I think we can make that happen, but it would require a different API...let me think if we can make it not "either-or" | 18:29 |
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| dwchadwick | I dont follow your argument anyway, since what is being delegated is a role. Pure and simple. | 18:31 |
| dwchadwick | You need to add parameters to constrain that so that the delegation is role plus constraints | 18:31 |
| dwchadwick | so the simple delegation is unconstrained delegation of a role | 18:31 |
| dwchadwick | the delegate is then the role holder and has the same privileges as the delegator | 18:32 |
| ayoung | dwchadwick, tokens are signed documents. That is what is used to enforce authorization. In order to delegate something not in the signed document, you wqould have to ask a neutral broker "is this OK" | 18:32 |
| ayoung | When a trustee goes to get a token, that token has a set the roles/attributes assigned to it. | 18:33 |
| dwchadwick | But what you delegate is the role. So the signed document says "I the delegator delegate this role to this delegate" | 18:33 |
| dwchadwick | and then you can add additional constraints if you want to | 18:33 |
| ayoung | If some action required an attribute not in that list, then the remote system would have to ask "is this OK" | 18:33 |
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| dwchadwick | I dont follow that, since all actions are authorised based on the role arent they? | 18:34 |
| dolphm | ayoung: wouldn't it just be denied, since its not in the list? | 18:35 |
| dwchadwick | So what other attribute are you talking about? | 18:35 |
| ayoung | dwchadwick, if all you are asking is that when a user creates a trrust, by default they get all roles, we can do that. I was more thinking that there would be a deliberate option saying "all roles for this tenant" as that is just as usable, and more deliberate | 18:35 |
| ayoung | dolphm, right now, absolutlety | 18:35 |
| ayoung | dwchadwick, whatever ones we come up with in the future...you've gotten me sold on ABAC | 18:36 |
| dwchadwick | No I am not saying the delegate gets all roles. On the contrary, the delegate only gets the role or roles the delegator wants to give him | 18:36 |
| dwchadwick | This gives minimum privileges | 18:36 |
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| dwchadwick | When you move from RBAC to ABAC then you delegate an attribute instead of a role | 18:37 |
| dwchadwick | (providing the attribute can be delegated, which is part of its definition. E.g. Age cannot be delegated) | 18:37 |
| dolphm | (roles are attributes though, correct?) | 18:37 |
| ayoung | dwchadwick, right, but there are likely to be more attributes on heaven and earth than dreamt of in our philosophy... | 18:37 |
| ayoung | dolphm, yes | 18:38 |
| ayoung | roles are attributes | 18:38 |
| dwchadwick | Yes, they are a subset of attributes that can be delegated | 18:38 |
| dwchadwick | You can delegate all roles but not all attributes | 18:38 |
| ayoung | dwchadwick, ok, we are in violent agreement, I was just trying to future proof | 18:38 |
| dwchadwick | You can delegate roles, group memberships, project participation, stuff like that. But not personal attributes like age, hair colour etc | 18:39 |
| ayoung | dwchadwick, I will make it such that it is easy to say "this trust delegate all roles for this user/tenant" | 18:39 |
| dwchadwick | But all can be used for authz | 18:39 |
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| dwchadwick | I would say that if the delegation has an optional parameter which is a role, then if the role is present only that is delegated, but if it is missing, all roles are delegated | 18:40 |
| lifeless | primeminsterp: alexpilotti: hi. hyper-v/quantum sounds excellent; my plate is kinda full atm though :) | 18:40 |
| dwchadwick | But I dont really like delegation of all roles since it is not least privileges is it | 18:40 |
| ayoung | dwchadwick, I think I am more comfortable with "either/or" either you sepcify "these roles" or "all roles" or the create fails | 18:40 |
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| dwchadwick | ok | 18:41 |
| ayoung | specify | 18:41 |
| dwchadwick | That's trusts done then. | 18:41 |
| ayoung | cheers | 18:41 |
| ayoung | #topic mapping | 18:42 |
| ayoung | ? | 18:42 |
| ayoung | actually | 18:42 |
| ayoung | one thing that trusts really needs is | 18:42 |
| ayoung | tokens scoped to endpoints | 18:42 |
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| ayoung | we can do trusts without that, but it is far wiser to plan for it up front | 18:42 |
| dwchadwick | Tokens scoped to endpoints is nothing to do with trusts though is it. It should be an orthogonal issue | 18:43 |
| dolphm | heckj: ping ^ | 18:43 |
| dwchadwick | In other words, the original role holder may want a token scoped to an endpoint | 18:43 |
| ayoung | dwchadwick, correct, although what do we do with existing trusts we add it to tokens | 18:43 |
| heckj | sorry, distracted at work too | 18:43 |
| ayoung | I'd rather it be like the roles | 18:43 |
| brich1 | ayoung, dwchadwick...and the ability to designate a delegate needs to be under administrative control, else separation of duties is impossible | 18:43 |
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| ayoung | brich1, you mean an admin can create a trust for me? | 18:44 |
| dwchadwick | I think we agreed that Keystone becomes a trusted delegation service | 18:44 |
| ayoung | dwchadwick, yes | 18:44 |
| dwchadwick | All trusts have to go via keystone. If you dont hold a role, keystone wont let you delegate it | 18:44 |
| ayoung | dwchadwick, I'd rather have the token scoped to endpoints nailed down, even if it isn't implemented | 18:44 |
| ayoung | when trusts go live | 18:45 |
| dwchadwick | If you do have the role, keystone will add an entry to the delegation table saying that you have given it to someone els | 18:45 |
| dolphm | ayoung: are you proposing changes to identity-api? | 18:45 |
| heckj | ayoung: dolphm: do we have a proposal on how to bind tokens to endpoints? | 18:45 |
| brich1 | ayoung: and/or preclude you from allowing someone else to become you from an authz perspective | 18:45 |
| ayoung | dolphm, I think it will be a change to the auth_token middle ware | 18:45 |
| dwchadwick | I see that scoping a trust to an endpoint is a useful constraint | 18:46 |
| ayoung | heckj, but also adding an option to scope a token to a set of endpoints | 18:46 |
| gyee | +1 on endpoint scoping | 18:46 |
| ayoung | heckj, it has been discussed, but I don't think we have a blueprint | 18:46 |
| ayoung | let me look | 18:46 |
| dolphm | heckj: i'm not aware of one | 18:47 |
| ayoung | I don't see one | 18:47 |
| dwchadwick | I am happy to contribute to the blueprint on this as I think trusts/delegation is an essential feature for openstack | 18:47 |
| heckj | Sounds like that's the first thing we need | 18:47 |
| ayoung | #action write up blueprint scope token to endpoints | 18:47 |
| dolphm | heckj: i see the notion as being valuable, but i'm lost on where that would be enforced | 18:47 |
| dwchadwick | Whilst on endpoints I think we need a new API which is "return me the endpoints for this service" | 18:47 |
| ayoung | dwchadwick, I'll send it to you for review. | 18:48 |
| dolphm | dwchadwick: GET /v3/endpoints?service_id={service_id} | 18:48 |
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| dwchadwick | It should be enforced in the Token Issuing and Token Validation Services | 18:48 |
| dwchadwick | dolph: good | 18:49 |
| ayoung | dolphm, dwchadwick but also scoped to user, no? | 18:49 |
| ayoung | so | 18:49 |
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| ayoung | GET /v3/endpoints?service_id={service_id}&user_id={user_id} | 18:49 |
| dwchadwick | I did not know you could set an endpoint for a user | 18:49 |
| dolphm | ayoung: endpoints don't have users | 18:49 |
| ayoung | however, that information should be encoded in the token | 18:50 |
| ayoung | dolphm, don't users have a subset of endpoints to which they have access? | 18:50 |
| gyee | right, should be in the token | 18:50 |
| ayoung | Even if it isn't enforced now? | 18:50 |
| dolphm | ayoung: not in the current implementation | 18:50 |
| gyee | we also need to be able to assign endpoint to projects | 18:50 |
| ayoung | gyee, yes | 18:50 |
| gyee | and filter endpoints on token validation | 18:50 |
| dolphm | ayoung: well, either you have is_admin=True and you see adminURL's in your catalog, or you don't, but that's it | 18:50 |
| dwchadwick | mixing up two issues. Enpoints associated with services, and what a user is authorised to access | 18:51 |
| ayoung | dwchadwick, right, but ypou need both in the query stage | 18:51 |
| gyee | I can start a bp on that if that's OK with y'all | 18:51 |
| ayoung | lets blueprint that, even if the implementation for now will be "all users can see all endpoints" | 18:51 |
| dwchadwick | ayoung. right I can see that | 18:51 |
| ayoung | gyee, can you take that one? | 18:52 |
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| gyee | right now we are returned everything in the catalog known to mankind | 18:52 |
| dwchadwick | another way of looking at tokens, is that they are simply pointers to state held by keystone | 18:52 |
| dolphm | gyee: keystone legacy let you map tenants to endpoints, so you had to have a role on the tenant to see the associated endpoint | 18:52 |
| heckj | gyee: tossing up a blueprint and basic design would be great | 18:52 |
| ayoung | dwchadwick, correct | 18:52 |
| dwchadwick | so they dont need to hold all the information themselves, but just be a pointer to it | 18:53 |
| ayoung | dwchadwick, but they are also a load-management mechanism | 18:53 |
| dwchadwick | ayoung. Dont follow that | 18:53 |
| ayoung | the idea is that they should be self verifying, to keep services from having to go back to keystone to verify | 18:53 |
| gyee | heckj, will do | 18:53 |
| ayoung | dwchadwick, one reason why tokens went PKI was that they were Identitied as the chattiest part of openstack | 18:53 |
| dwchadwick | ayoung. Why cant the client cash the result after getting the first verification | 18:54 |
| ayoung | not necessarily for security, but to decrease network load | 18:54 |
| ayoung | dwchadwick, revocation | 18:54 |
| ayoung | I mean, they do cach for a short time | 18:54 |
| heckj | ayoung, gyee: key quandry that might be tricky - how services know which endpoint they're assocaited with - today I do'nt think they do, will need to take that into account | 18:54 |
| ayoung | but role assignemetns changes, etc | 18:54 |
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| dolphm | dwchadwick: tokens are passed around, each recipient needs to validate each token | 18:54 |
| dwchadwick | that sounds Ok to me | 18:55 |
| gyee | the other benefit of endpoint scoping is security | 18:55 |
| dwchadwick | the alternative is to have an encrypted signed token than anyone can validate but you still have the revocation issue | 18:55 |
| gyee | say each endpoint have an account in Keystone and have its unique private/public keypair | 18:55 |
| ayoung | dwchadwick, it just puts the onus on the user (or the client) to figure out up front "what should I put in this token" | 18:55 |
| gyee | we can essentially issue a token for just that endpoint | 18:56 |
| ayoung | gyee, yes, that is the "delegation" blueprint...sort of | 18:56 |
| gyee | only that endpoint to decrypt the token | 18:56 |
| ayoung | gyee, then those endpoints can sign tokens | 18:56 |
| gyee | ayoung, amen brother! | 18:56 |
| ayoung | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/keystone/+spec/delegation | 18:56 |
| dolphm | gyee: how is that different from the "service user" pattern people use today? | 18:56 |
| ayoung | OK, can we talk mapping in the last 3 minutes? | 18:57 |
| gyee | token, if I can capture a user token, I can use for all the services user have access to | 18:57 |
| dwchadwick | yes mapping please | 18:57 |
| heckj | 3 minutes left | 18:57 |
| dwchadwick | Kristy has put the first code up for QAing | 18:57 |
| ayoung | mapping is posted for review. I've made minor corrections, but the code looks clean for the most part | 18:57 |
| ayoung | We need to understand it better, and part of that is showing how it can be used fro a non-trivial application | 18:58 |
| dwchadwick | What we would like to suggest is that groups uses mapping for working out which roles the group members have | 18:58 |
| ayoung | that might be in the unit tests, I haven't processed that yet | 18:58 |
| henrynash | I owe david/kristy a review of it - will get that done tomorrow | 18:58 |
| ayoung | but it might be beyond the scope of unit tests. I would like to see an example, though, of mapping code in use. | 18:58 |
| dwchadwick | Agreed that having good use cases is valuable | 18:58 |
| dwchadwick | Henry should be able to produce use cases | 18:59 |
| kwss | My next step is to work it into the federated authentication middleware | 18:59 |
| ayoung | kwss, I guess that mapping isnot really usable withou tit, is it? | 19:00 |
| ayoung | Does mapping somehow stand alone without middleware support? | 19:00 |
| dwchadwick | we thought Henry was going to use our code but currently he hasnt started | 19:00 |
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| ayoung | can use use mapping to convert som other attribute to a role? | 19:00 |
| kwss | Not unless the ability to assign internal user attributes is added too | 19:00 |
| dwchadwick | My plan was that the first use of mappings would be groups | 19:00 |
| ayoung | ...I am think that should come before customer middleware | 19:01 |
| ayoung | custom | 19:01 |
| dwchadwick | I have explained this migration path several times before | 19:01 |
| heckj | I'm afraid we're out of time... | 19:01 |
| heckj | I'll put this at the top of the agenda for next week, and we can continue in email? | 19:01 |
| heckj | (or just take the conversation to #dev)? | 19:01 |
| dwchadwick | yes | 19:01 |
| ayoung | dwchadwick, kwss write that as a use case | 19:01 |
| egallen | Agenda for next week : Multi factor ? | 19:01 |
| gyee | I won't make the meeting next week, holiday closure here | 19:01 |
| ayoung | egallen, +1 | 19:02 |
| heckj | will add | 19:02 |
| heckj | #endmeeting | 19:02 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Dec 18 19:02:10 2012 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:02 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2012/keystone.2012-12-18-18.00.html | 19:02 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2012/keystone.2012-12-18-18.00.txt | 19:02 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2012/keystone.2012-12-18-18.00.log.html | 19:02 |
| jeblair | ci/infra ppl? | 19:02 |
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| zykes- | multi refactor of what ? | 19:02 |
| ayoung | heckj, hoiday clouser, reconvene in 3 weeks? | 19:02 |
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| clarkb | o/ | 19:02 |
| ayoung | zykes-, not multi refactor...multi factor | 19:02 |
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| heckj | ayoung: yeah - will send email | 19:02 |
| jeblair | #startmeeting ci | 19:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Dec 18 19:03:54 2012 UTC. The chair is jeblair. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:03 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ci' | 19:03 |
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| jeblair | #topic wiki | 19:04 |
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| jeblair | Ryan_Lane: ping | 19:04 |
| Ryan_Lane | pong | 19:04 |
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| jeblair | so we were just talking about this in openstack-infra | 19:04 |
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| jeblair | seems like there are a few things that need sprucing up before we make the switch | 19:05 |
| Ryan_Lane | the biggest thing I can see is the lack of a theme | 19:05 |
| Ryan_Lane | and rewrite rules | 19:05 |
| fungi | it's always all about aesthetics with some people ;) | 19:05 |
| Ryan_Lane | I don't think we should make any content changes until the wikis switch | 19:06 |
| jeblair | Ryan_Lane: what do you mean? | 19:06 |
| Ryan_Lane | do a straight migration | 19:06 |
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| Ryan_Lane | then when we switch wikis, do the style fixes and such | 19:06 |
| Ryan_Lane | otherwise we'll have edits occurring in both at the same time | 19:07 |
| Ryan_Lane | and we'll end up losing edits | 19:07 |
| jeblair | Ryan_Lane: that makes sense, but there are some things we can take care of before hand, like the theme, right? | 19:07 |
| Ryan_Lane | wiki transitions aren't easy and often take months for everything to be perfect | 19:07 |
| Ryan_Lane | yes | 19:07 |
| clarkb | can we make the old wiki read only? | 19:07 |
| Ryan_Lane | yep | 19:07 |
| clarkb | would that help avoid losing edits? | 19:07 |
| jeblair | clarkb: i don't think they have to run in parallel for very long or at all | 19:08 |
| Ryan_Lane | yep, but that would mean we've made the choice to switch at the point | 19:08 |
| clarkb | I see | 19:08 |
| jeblair | clarkb: when we are ready for the switch, we can take a short outage to switch the hostnames and then we're done... | 19:08 |
| jeblair | Ryan_Lane: how long did the import/fixup take? | 19:08 |
| Ryan_Lane | about an hour | 19:09 |
| Ryan_Lane | well, maybe 2 | 19:09 |
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| jeblair | that might be long enough to leave the old wiki running read only while that's going on | 19:09 |
| jeblair | and then do the hostname switch near the end of that time | 19:09 |
| jeblair | though i don't think a little bit of downtime is going to kill us. | 19:09 |
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| jeblair | but before we make the switch, i think we should have the theme in place, and probably solutions to the major problems... | 19:10 |
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| jeblair | ie, we should know how we're going to fix big things like the main page | 19:10 |
| Ryan_Lane | yeah. we'll need to find someone to do the theme. | 19:10 |
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| jeblair | Ryan_Lane: what's involved in a mediawiki theme? | 19:11 |
| Ryan_Lane | writing a skin | 19:11 |
| Ryan_Lane | we may have to pay someone for it. | 19:11 |
| clarkb | I would volunteer but I have zero skill in making things look pretty | 19:11 |
| Ryan_Lane | that's my problem, too ;) | 19:11 |
| Ryan_Lane | I'm very much not a front-end dev | 19:12 |
| zykes- | clear | 19:12 |
| jeblair | Ryan_Lane: or ask for volunteers on the list? | 19:13 |
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| clarkb | jeblair: looks like he just did :) | 19:13 |
| jeblair | ok! | 19:13 |
| Ryan_Lane | I can ask the folks who made the webplatform.org skin | 19:14 |
| Ryan_Lane | they seemed to do a good job, but they were paid contractors | 19:14 |
| jeblair | ah. our current skin doesn't look like much more than a logo and some colors. it probably doesn't have to be too fancy. :) | 19:15 |
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| Ryan_Lane | yep | 19:16 |
| jeblair | Ryan_Lane: what about image inclusion? | 19:16 |
| Ryan_Lane | the migration script doesn't handle uploads properly | 19:16 |
| Ryan_Lane | I can pull all the images and upload them via a script | 19:16 |
| Ryan_Lane | but we'll need to fix all the places they are included | 19:16 |
| Ryan_Lane | other syntax fixes shouldn't take ages | 19:17 |
| Ryan_Lane | last time I tried this, it took me 3 hours to clean up almost all of the linked articles | 19:17 |
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| Ryan_Lane | a sprint after we switch over should fix most things pretty quickly | 19:18 |
| Ryan_Lane | we'll need a youtube extension | 19:18 |
| Ryan_Lane | since mediawiki doesn't really have one | 19:18 |
| Ryan_Lane | I may be able to write one fairly quickly | 19:18 |
| jeblair | annegentle_: ^ | 19:18 |
| jeblair | maybe annegentle_ could help with the sprint | 19:19 |
| Ryan_Lane | yeah | 19:19 |
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| jeblair | #topic things to do before final wiki migration | 19:20 |
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| jeblair | #info openstack theme skin | 19:20 |
| jeblair | #info image upload script | 19:20 |
| jeblair | #info youtube extension | 19:20 |
| clarkb | #info organize content cleanup sprint | 19:21 |
| jeblair | #info figure out how to make the front page look pretty | 19:21 |
| jeblair | #info rewrite rules for content at / | 19:21 |
| jeblair | anything else? | 19:21 |
| Ryan_Lane | I think that's about it | 19:22 |
| jeblair | cool, thanks! | 19:22 |
| jeblair | I have the new cert in hand, i'll try to get it into puppet today | 19:22 |
| jeblair | #topic cla project | 19:23 |
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| fungi | updates... | 19:23 |
| fungi | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/cla-maintenance-2012 | 19:23 |
| jeblair | jbryce is supposed to send me the text of the new cla soon | 19:23 |
| fungi | i've got an implementation sequence there | 19:23 |
| fungi | and a few items still to do before we can schedule | 19:23 |
| fungi | the cla text is one of them | 19:24 |
| fungi | since we've muddied this with getting rid of lp group sync, i have yet another question related to that | 19:24 |
| fungi | specifically, what's going to be the duplication in group management at that point? | 19:24 |
| fungi | i gather there will still need to be some groups on lp for things which lp needs to use in its own acls | 19:25 |
| jeblair | fungi: basically the -drivers teams has meaning in both places, so likely has duplicate group management. | 19:25 |
| clarkb | I think the only stuff on lp would be things tied to blueprints and bugs | 19:25 |
| fungi | and do we want those handled separately, or do we try to engineer some wort of reverse sync? | 19:25 |
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| fungi | clarkb: yeah, those were the only two which came to mind, so they're in the etherpad there | 19:26 |
| jeblair | -drivers changes very slowly, so i think we don't sync, just duplicate manual work. | 19:26 |
| fungi | i'm good with that as long as everyone else is | 19:26 |
| jeblair | -drivers gets to set milestone targets. we don't do anything with the bugs group in gerrit (in lp it can assign bugs). and we don't do anything with -core in lp | 19:27 |
| fungi | might encourage reddwarf to scale back on their 40+ drivers | 19:27 |
| jeblair | yes, they are doing it wrong. | 19:27 |
| fungi | if they had to maintain that list by hand in two places | 19:27 |
| jeblair | so close! anything else on this? | 19:28 |
| jeblair | mordred: ping | 19:28 |
| fungi | okay, so -drivers lives in both lp and gerrit, -core is only gerrit and -bugs is only lp | 19:28 |
| fungi | i've added an additional e-mail text there, which is the reminder to go out after the maintenance comcludes | 19:28 |
| fungi | er, concludes | 19:28 |
| fungi | because there *will* be devs taken by surprise | 19:29 |
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| fungi | many don't read -dev@ either, so it's inevitable anyway | 19:29 |
| clarkb | do we have a targetted date for the switch? I assume not before the new year? | 19:29 |
| fungi | at this point we're so close to the end of the year it seems likely i'll rename that etherpad to -2013 :( | 19:29 |
| jeblair | heh. let's get the cla text and everything in hand before we set a date | 19:30 |
| fungi | that's my feeling as well. don't want to go shifting dates on announcements and adding to the already expected confusion | 19:30 |
| fungi | i want all the ducks in a row before i send the announcement | 19:31 |
| clarkb | ++ | 19:31 |
| fungi | anyway, that's where we stand | 19:31 |
| fungi | patches have been rebased, keys added in hiera, et cetera | 19:32 |
| annegentle_ | jeblair: Ryan_Lane hey I was going to ask if we should just do a wiki format day | 19:32 |
| Ryan_Lane | yeah, we should | 19:32 |
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| fungi | some remaining doc updates i need to finish muddling through (meant to be working on those last night and this morning) | 19:32 |
| Ryan_Lane | it only took me a few hours to fix most of the glaring issues last time I tried it | 19:32 |
| jeblair | annegentle_: yeah, and probably the closer to the transition the better. like maybe the day of? :) | 19:33 |
| jeblair | annegentle_: but we probably shouldn't schedule that until we have the other issues we identified worked out. | 19:33 |
| jeblair | fungi: sounds good, thanks! | 19:34 |
| fungi | my pleasure | 19:34 |
| jeblair | #topic askbot | 19:34 |
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| jeblair | reed brought my attention to this: https://twitter.com/morganmclean/status/280833638864654336 | 19:34 |
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| jeblair | and suggested that increasing the prioritization of the provisioning of an askbot server might be nice. :) | 19:35 |
| jeblair | mordred was going to take a first stab at this, but i don't think that has happened. | 19:35 |
| jeblair | i could try to do it later this week | 19:36 |
| reed | that would be good | 19:36 |
| clarkb | jeblair: are you planning to stand the whole thing up or just provision the host? | 19:36 |
| clarkb | I seem to recall there was a dev type install somewhere | 19:37 |
| jeblair | if anyone else would like to volunteer, that would be swell. | 19:37 |
| clarkb | what is the scope of the work that needs to be done? | 19:37 |
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| jeblair | that is not clear to me. i think mordred's plan was to set up a host that installed askbot from a git repo somewhere? | 19:39 |
| jeblair | i don't recall all the details. | 19:39 |
| clarkb | ok, so some scoping would need to be done. I don't want to volunteer now as I really need to get on top of reviews and want to be open enough to fight testr fires should they occur | 19:40 |
| clarkb | but maybe late thursday or early friday we can do a status check and I may be able to start that | 19:40 |
| jeblair | reed: do you know which askbot wants to be installed? | 19:41 |
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| jeblair | http://askbot.org/doc/install.html | 19:42 |
| reed | jeblair, that one | 19:43 |
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| reed | I can put you in touch with the people that will customize it | 19:43 |
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| clarkb | I was wondering if something like that happened | 19:46 |
| clarkb | must've lost power. | 19:46 |
| fungi | i guess the weather finally got him | 19:46 |
| clarkb | anything else to go over about askbot? | 19:46 |
| ttx | did we get to the bottom of the tarball job failures yet ? | 19:46 |
| fungi | ttx: yes, we did | 19:47 |
| clarkb | #topic tarball job failures | 19:47 |
| ttx | fungi: nova-tarball was still failing 52 minutes ago | 19:47 |
| fungi | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/ci-issues-log | 19:47 |
| clarkb | need to be jeblair or meetbot super user :( | 19:47 |
| fungi | #link https://review.openstack.org/18334 | 19:47 |
| fungi | clarkb: you want to review 18334 so ttx can haz tarballs? | 19:48 |
| ttx | I hope jeblair will come back in time to #endmeeting :) | 19:48 |
| clarkb | yes, I will move that to the front of the list | 19:48 |
| ttx | fungi: not so much of a hurry | 19:48 |
| clarkb | ttx: if he doesn't I can get meetbot suoper user I think | 19:48 |
| ttx | It's ok if it's under control | 19:48 |
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| fungi | ttx: it was an unintended outcome of the zuul move over the weekend | 19:49 |
| ttx | no need to super-prioritize it, I don't need tarballs just now | 19:49 |
| clarkb | k | 19:49 |
| fungi | fairly quickly rooted out once jeblair got online | 19:49 |
| fungi | i was looking in the right place, but the fix was a bit beyond me | 19:49 |
| clarkb | what else have we got? nova testr happened | 19:49 |
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| fungi | boy howdy did it | 19:50 |
| clarkb | overall seems to be going relatively smoothly. jog0 discovered testr didn't run on OS X, lifeless quickly sorted that out | 19:50 |
| clarkb | there were also a few, previously undiscovered, inter test conflicts | 19:50 |
| clarkb | lifeless and I have fixed two of those | 19:50 |
| fungi | one nova dev found a nice way to persistently dos our jenkins slaves with it | 19:51 |
| fungi | though i think similar forkbombs would have been possible before | 19:51 |
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| clarkb | fungi: I am not completely sure the same wouldn't happen with nosetests though | 19:51 |
| clarkb | ya | 19:51 |
| fungi | right | 19:51 |
| fungi | however, we upgraded their pistols to rocket launchers | 19:51 |
| fungi | still not certain what the best resource limit fix is there | 19:52 |
| clarkb | there has been some feedback about whether or not defaulting to --parallel is what everyone wants. It will definitely need to grow and mature as we use it. I think that jumping into the deep end was the only real sane way to sort these things out though | 19:52 |
| clarkb | in addition to the OS X + testr problem lifeless discovered that python discover does not return test lists in a deterministic order | 19:53 |
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| fungi | no argument there. but i believe (for example) sdague pointed out that having tests launch multiple vms in parallel will be resource-swamping | 19:53 |
| clarkb | this makes local test reproduction difficult, so he has it on his plate to work around that and has submitted a bug to upstream discover | 19:53 |
| lifeless | I've also put a workaround in testtools | 19:54 |
| clarkb | lifeless: has that been released to pypi? eg will rebuilding venvs at this point result in deterministic test reproduction? | 19:54 |
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| clarkb | (its ok if it hasn't just trying to keep on top of it) | 19:55 |
| lifeless | no :) | 19:55 |
| clarkb | thats all I had for nova testr | 19:55 |
| lifeless | will be either late today or first thing tomorrow, I may have other testtools things to land first | 19:55 |
| clarkb | I am going to start trying to escalate my meetbot permissions | 19:55 |
| lifeless | and its not a panic-thing, though good to have. | 19:55 |
| clarkb | fungi: ttx mordred any other things we want to go over? | 19:56 |
| ttx | nope | 19:56 |
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| fungi | i guess we're at open discussion now in jeblair's absence. nothing else from me | 19:56 |
| jeblair | #endmeeting | 19:56 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Dec 18 19:56:46 2012 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:56 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ci/2012/ci.2012-12-18-19.03.html | 19:56 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ci/2012/ci.2012-12-18-19.03.txt | 19:56 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ci/2012/ci.2012-12-18-19.03.log.html | 19:56 |
| jeblair | feel free to keep talking. :) | 19:56 |
| lifeless | clarkb: for reference - http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~testtools-committers/testtools/trunk/revision/301 | 19:57 |
| jeblair | just wanted to make sure i didn't inconvenience anyone by not doing that. | 19:57 |
| fungi | appreciated, jeblair | 19:57 |
| clarkb | jeblair: I was in the process of trying to figure out how to auth against meetbot | 19:57 |
| fungi | plug: reviews for git-review would be appreciated. i know nobody has time | 19:58 |
| clarkb | I have done it before, but I never remember how it works | 19:58 |
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| clarkb | fungi: those are high on the priority list | 19:58 |
| fungi | clarkb: awesome | 19:58 |
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| ttx | Who is around for the TC meeting ? | 20:00 |
| bcwaldon | ttx: I am | 20:00 |
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| ttx | annegentle, russellb, markmc, heckj, notmyname, jgriffith, vishy, gabrielhurley, danwent: around ? | 20:01 |
| notmyname | here | 20:01 |
| russellb | here | 20:01 |
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| ttx | we need 3 more to hold the meeting | 20:01 |
| vishy | o/ | 20:02 |
| ttx | mordred: ? | 20:02 |
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| heckj | o/ | 20:02 |
| ttx | markmc: around ? | 20:02 |
| markmc | hey | 20:02 |
| ttx | That's 7 | 20:02 |
| ttx | #startmeeting tc | 20:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Dec 18 20:02:53 2012 UTC. The chair is ttx. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: tc)" | 20:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tc' | 20:02 |
| ttx | Agenda for today is: | 20:02 |
| ttx | #link http://wiki.openstack.org/Governance/TechnicalCommittee | 20:03 |
| ttx | #topic Update on the "Future of Incubation / core" joint committee | 20:03 |
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| ttx | markmc: quick update ? | 20:03 |
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| markmc | sure | 20:03 |
| markmc | had quite a productive meeting actually | 20:03 |
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| markmc | got more into the incubation process | 20:03 |
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| markmc | how projects are "trained" to follow our processes | 20:04 |
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| markmc | how CI starts taking more of an interest in helping incubating projects | 20:04 |
| ttx | also raised an interesting question about trademark analysis | 20:04 |
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| markmc | how incubating projects being part of the devstack gate should become more of a hard requirement | 20:04 |
| ttx | on project codenames | 20:04 |
| markmc | indeed, trademark | 20:04 |
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| markmc | how the legal committee could provide kind of consultative help when choosing new project names | 20:05 |
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| markmc | how part of a project graduating is a qualitative analysis | 20:05 |
| markmc | i.e. we should have some sort of quality level we require | 20:05 |
| markmc | and how we go about making that call | 20:05 |
| markmc | and then we started getting into the whole "what does core mean" | 20:06 |
| markmc | jbryce had a nice summary of core vs "part of the release" | 20:06 |
| markmc | that core is a label the board can attach to projects in the integrated release | 20:06 |
| markmc | and then we were out of time | 20:06 |
| ttx | we have one more this Thursday. | 20:07 |
| markmc | we'll get more into the "what does core mean" on thursday | 20:07 |
| markmc | </summary? | 20:07 |
| markmc | </summary> | 20:07 |
| ttx | Thanks! | 20:07 |
| ttx | questions before we move on ? | 20:07 |
| russellb | some of that seems a little tangential, but good discussion anyway, i guess | 20:07 |
| russellb | thanks for the update | 20:08 |
| annegentle_ | markmc: were there notes? | 20:08 |
| annegentle_ | markmc: was there another invite sent out for this Thurs? | 20:08 |
| markmc | annegentle_, yes to both | 20:08 |
| markmc | one sec | 20:08 |
| ttx | annegentle_: https://etherpad.openstack.org/IncUp | 20:08 |
| markmc | actually, yes and no | 20:08 |
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| markmc | ttx, notes moved from etherpad to http://wiki.openstack.org/Governance/Foundation/IncubationUpdate2013 | 20:08 |
| ttx | oh, great | 20:08 |
| ttx | #link http://wiki.openstack.org/Governance/Foundation/IncubationUpdate2013 | 20:09 |
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| ttx | any other question ? | 20:09 |
| markmc | no invite for this week yet | 20:09 |
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| AlanClark | I'll go check to see why the invite didn't go out | 20:09 |
| ttx | #topic Discussion: Potential Grizzly schedule changes to match probable summit date | 20:09 |
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| ttx | The Foundation events staff is busy securing a location for the next summit... | 20:09 |
| ttx | On the dates side, 40% chances it's Apr 15-18, 60% chances it's Apr 29 - May 2 | 20:10 |
| ttx | The issue for us is that it's a week before or later than the "ideal" week | 20:10 |
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| ttx | (ideal week being the one which leaves two full weeks between release week and summit week to prepare, like we did in Folsom) | 20:10 |
| ttx | In the case it's one week before, no big deal, we'll just have less time to prepare for summit | 20:10 |
| ttx | But if it's the week after, we have 3 full weeks between release week and summit week. | 20:10 |
| ttx | I think that's too late in the cycle to have good design discussions at the summit. | 20:10 |
| ttx | People would either get started way earlier in implementation, or lose too much time waiting for summit sessions to happen. | 20:11 |
| ttx | ideally I would like to limit the amount of time between Grizzly feature freeze and H summit to 8-9 weeks max to avoid that | 20:11 |
| ttx | If we don't change the release schedule (and the summit happens Apr 29-May 2, that will be 10 weeks for Grizzly. | 20:11 |
| ttx | (in comparison, we had 7 weeks in Essex and 9 weeks in Folsom) | 20:11 |
| ttx | So I would like us to look into potential adaptations, so that if we need any, we can push them during the holiday period rather than wait for next year's meetings | 20:12 |
| jgriffith | +1 for adjusting to fit the summit | 20:12 |
| ttx | Those options are mostly around pushing back final Grizzly release date, in the case Apr29-May 2 ends up being chosen | 20:12 |
| ttx | Note that it's probably a one-off thing, next times we should know the date well before the release schedule is set up | 20:12 |
| russellb | sounds good to me ... and push the freeze out a week too? | 20:12 |
| ttx | I have a PDF showing various options for this scenario: | 20:12 |
| ttx | #link http://ubuntuone.com/25a7M1o3jyNAjBUTOfZkHx | 20:12 |
| markmc | I don't love that are schedule is driven by event planning considerations, in general | 20:12 |
| markmc | but no real issue with pushing it out a week or two | 20:13 |
| markmc | if planned well in advance | 20:13 |
| ttx | Option A is the "no change" option, just accept having three full weeks between release week and summit week, and 10 weeks between feature freeze and summit | 20:13 |
| ttx | Option B1 is pushing back G3 and release one week away. Main issue with this one is that I'm skiing that week. | 20:13 |
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| ttx | (so someone else would have to handle the final push toward feature freeze and publish that milestone) | 20:13 |
| ttx | Option B2 is the same as B1, but taking the opportunity to push back G2 as well | 20:13 |
| ttx | Option C is solving the skiing issue by pushing G3 *two* weeks off and have "only" 5 weeks of RC period between G3 and release (like we did for Essex) | 20:14 |
| ttx | (means 8 weeks between feature freeze and summit and also pushing back G2 one week off) | 20:14 |
| ttx | Finally, option D pushes back *both* G3 and release two weeks off. | 20:14 |
| annegentle_ | ttx: and others is it your instinct that people would appreciate a Jan 17th milestone based on how much they're trying to get into G2? | 20:14 |
| ttx | annegentle_: that's one nice side-effect of B2, C and D | 20:14 |
| ttx | (option D leaves only one full week between release week and summit week, and I know we all appreciated having two full weeks after Folsom release) | 20:15 |
| ttx | Thoughts ? | 20:15 |
| markmc | yeah, I'm sure there'd be general happiness with pushing g2 out a week :) | 20:15 |
| ttx | My slight preference would be to go with option C with a pretty anal feature freeze | 20:15 |
| annegentle_ | B2 or C seem good to me | 20:15 |
| bcwaldon | +1 to annegentle_ | 20:15 |
| ttx | so the shortebed Rc period does not have adverse effects | 20:15 |
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| ttx | shortened* | 20:15 |
| russellb | B2 or C seem fine ... but it's C of those 2 unless someone wants to drive the release of grizzly-3, right? | 20:16 |
| markmc | did much happen in the last week of rc in folsom? | 20:16 |
| bcwaldon | C it is! | 20:16 |
| ttx | russellb: yes | 20:16 |
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| russellb | bcwaldon: +1 :) | 20:16 |
| ttx | markmc: not so much | 20:16 |
| ttx | markmc: I think if we are more careful with the feature freeze and landing all stuff by G3... we have less of an issue with 5 weeks of RC | 20:17 |
| ttx | 6 weeks was kinda nice but we also had a lot of Feature Freeze abuse after Folsom-3 | 20:17 |
| markmc | yeah, C it is - don't imagine anyone too eager to be ttx for grizzly-3 :) | 20:17 |
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| ttx | OK, so we don't change anything if summit is the week of Apr 15 | 20:18 |
| ttx | And we use option C if the summit ends up on the week of Apr 29 | 20:18 |
| russellb | hm, really? what about shorten RC to 5 weeks if summit moves up? | 20:18 |
| russellb | if we think 5 is enough? | 20:18 |
| russellb | 2 weeks before summit is really nice ... | 20:18 |
| ttx | Ah. | 20:18 |
| ttx | That's one option yes. I'd like to only change the release date for a good reason though | 20:19 |
| jgriffith | ttx: when would we *know* WRT the summit dates? | 20:19 |
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| ttx | so.. are we more attached to keeping release date or to two full weeks of summit prep ? | 20:19 |
| ttx | jgriffith: they promised me in the next 72 hours | 20:20 |
| * jgriffith votes 2 weeks of summit prep | 20:20 | |
| ttx | jgriffith: but last week they promised the final decision for today | 20:20 |
| russellb | 2 weeks of summit prep personally | 20:20 |
| jgriffith | ttx: hehe | 20:20 |
| ttx | russellb: that means releasing on March 28 | 20:20 |
| ttx | and rewriting all those slides that say "in April" | 20:20 |
| russellb | who ever got in trouble for finishing a project early | 20:21 |
| ttx | I'm fine with it, I like to confuse everyone | 20:21 |
| ttx | vishy: opinion ? | 20:21 |
| markmc | how about we aim for a very quite last week of rc | 20:21 |
| markmc | quiet, dammit | 20:21 |
| ttx | danwent: same -- you're the most RC-busy projects | 20:21 |
| vishy | I don't like shortening the schedule for sure | 20:22 |
| ttx | markmc: +1 | 20:22 |
| ttx | Let's aim for a quiet release week if summit is on Apr 15 | 20:22 |
| vishy | extending g2 1 week and g3 1 week seems fine | 20:22 |
| vishy | which option was that? | 20:22 |
| ttx | vishy: oh, we are exploring the case if the sumit is on Apr 15 now | 20:23 |
| mordred | o/ | 20:23 |
| ttx | We settled for option C in the case the summit is on Apr 29 | 20:23 |
| vishy | Apr 15 i say no change | 20:23 |
| heckj | vishy: +1 | 20:23 |
| vishy | sorry i was behind :) | 20:24 |
| ttx | vishy: OK -- and we'll try to make a calm release week to have a bit more time to prepare summit | 20:24 |
| * annegentle_ lights calm candles | 20:24 | |
| ttx | #info If summit is on Apr 15 -- no change in schedule | 20:24 |
| russellb | any info you can leak on location? :) | 20:25 |
| ttx | #info If summit is on Apr 29 -- push back G2 one week, G3 two weeks, release one week. | 20:25 |
| ttx | russellb: not yet :) | 20:26 |
| markmc | I heard it's in europe | 20:26 |
| ttx | it's in the US for sure | 20:26 |
| ttx | (the April one) | 20:26 |
| markmc | heh :) | 20:26 |
| mordred | ttx: also, they're working on getting the I summit scheduled/booked so that we know where it is by the H summit, right? | 20:26 |
| * markmc tries to get vicious rumours started :) | 20:26 | |
| ttx | mordred: yes. It should be international | 20:26 |
| ttx | and location secured before the H summit | 20:26 |
| mordred | GREAT | 20:26 |
| ttx | #topic Ongoing discussion: Distro & Python 2.6/3.x support policy | 20:26 |
| mordred | that will be quite lovely | 20:27 |
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| * vishy looks around. | 20:27 | |
| ttx | mtaylor: You said you would push a clear motion to the ML to reboot the discussion | 20:27 |
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| vishy | someone is starting my rumors! | 20:27 |
| ttx | mtaylor: looks like it will be for next year meeting now :) | 20:27 |
| mordred | ttx: I did say that didn't I? | 20:27 |
| * mordred accepts chastisement | 20:27 | |
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| ttx | Do you have a teaser version of it we could talk about today ? | 20:27 |
| markmc | vishy, from here on in, I'm gonna think of you as Sid Vishy | 20:28 |
| mordred | it was basically the summary from the last thread | 20:28 |
| vishy | lol | 20:28 |
| mordred | ttx: "we should continue dev focus for the latest ubuntu, but ensure that we don't do anything that fundamentally breaks the latest rhel" | 20:28 |
| lifeless | Python 4 three-eva ? | 20:28 |
| markmc | dev focus on latest ubuntu and fedora :) | 20:29 |
| markmc | also, continue to support 2.6.x until it's blocking someone with patches getting 3.x support done | 20:29 |
| markmc | ? | 20:29 |
| mordred | markmc: for all intents and purposes for dev, that's probably the same | 20:29 |
| mordred | markmc: I don't think we need to be that explicit | 20:29 |
| mordred | markmc: I don't think we can drop 2.6 until there is a rhel that has 2.7 | 20:29 |
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| mordred | markmc: based on the prior statement | 20:30 |
| mordred | and once there is, we'll have an ubuntu lts and a rhel with 2.7 - so there wouldnt' be a compelling reason to keep 2.6 around | 20:30 |
| markmc | heh | 20:30 |
| * markmc avoids repeating the whole thread again | 20:30 | |
| mordred | and we know for a fact that once we start trying to get 3.x patches done, we will immediately run in to 2.6 issues | 20:30 |
| mordred | but, for now at least, I think my statement above doesn't really change anything for anybody, right? | 20:31 |
| mordred | (it's clarification on the current policy, which is "we target latest ubuntu") | 20:31 |
| markmc | not until there's a rhel with 2.7 or someone sooner than that with 3.x patches | 20:32 |
| markmc | and then the whole discussion would start again :) | 20:32 |
| mordred | markmc: I'm open to that | 20:32 |
| ttx | mordred: ok, you can turn that into a proper motion to be discussed on the ML..; and we can decide on it at the next meeting | 20:32 |
| markmc | "we target latest ubuntu/fedora" | 20:32 |
| mordred | markmc: ok. btw ... | 20:32 |
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| mordred | markmc: since we're expressing the current justification for supporting 2.6 in terms of liking RHEL... | 20:32 |
| mordred | markmc: you think there's any chance someone at redhat might be interested in helping port our jenkins_slave puppet template to be able to run on a rhel host? | 20:33 |
| mordred | because that's our current blocker in running our 2.6 tests on rhel instead of ubuntu oneiric | 20:33 |
| markmc | mordred, yes, definitely | 20:33 |
| mordred | markmc: great! | 20:33 |
| mordred | check it out - people helping each other :) | 20:33 |
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| ttx | mordred: anything more on the subject ? | 20:33 |
| mordred | ttx: nope | 20:33 |
| mordred | ttx: when markmc and I agree on things, I consider the subject closed | 20:34 |
| ttx | questions ? mordred WILL push a thread on the ML for further discussion anyway | 20:34 |
| ttx | right ? | 20:34 |
| * mordred whistles | 20:34 | |
| ttx | #topic Skipping next weeks meetings | 20:34 |
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| ttx | So... next Tuesdays happen to be Christmas and New Year's day. | 20:34 |
| ttx | My suggestion would be to hold our next TC meeting on January 8. | 20:34 |
| heckj | ttx: +1 - that's the next keystone meeting as well | 20:35 |
| ttx | Sounds good ? | 20:35 |
| mordred | ++ | 20:35 |
| markmc | school's out! | 20:35 |
| * jgriffith realizes he needs to go shopping | 20:35 | |
| ttx | we'll probably do the same fate to the release status meeting in half an hour | 20:35 |
| ttx | #topic Open discussion | 20:35 |
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| ttx | Anything else anyone ? | 20:35 |
| ttx | Alrighty then. 23 minutes recess | 20:37 |
| ttx | #endmeeting | 20:37 |
| annegentle_ | sounds good | 20:37 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Dec 18 20:37:08 2012 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:37 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2012/tc.2012-12-18-20.02.html | 20:37 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2012/tc.2012-12-18-20.02.txt | 20:37 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2012/tc.2012-12-18-20.02.log.html | 20:37 |
| zykes- | ttx: which of the summits is going in .eu ? | 20:37 |
| zykes- | and can you leak if it's gonna be east or west coast ? | 20:37 |
| zykes- | the april one that is I mean | 20:37 |
| ttx | zykes-: The October 2013 one should happen internationally. Europe is just one option | 20:37 |
| ttx | For the April one the location is not selected yet. Options include central and west coast locations | 20:38 |
| zykes- | ttx: i'm wondering about the coastal question due to if it's east I can go :p | 20:38 |
| zykes- | west coast is just too expensive | 20:38 |
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| salv-orlando | I guess I screwed with the time zone... | 20:58 |
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| ttx | salv-orlando: no, we are up in one min | 21:00 |
| ttx | markmc, heckj, notmyname, bcwaldon, jgriffith, vishy, gabrielhurley: around ? | 21:00 |
| salv-orlando | oh that was another meeting then | 21:00 |
| notmyname | here | 21:00 |
| ttx | salv-orlando: yeah, TC meeting | 21:00 |
| gabrielhurley | \o | 21:00 |
| ttx | salv-orlando: it's meetings night | 21:00 |
| bcwaldon | ttx: hey hey | 21:00 |
| markmc | hey | 21:01 |
| ttx | salv-orlando stands in for danwent | 21:01 |
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| ttx | missing heckj, jgriffith, vishy -- they should join us soon | 21:01 |
| vishy | here | 21:02 |
| ttx | #startmeeting project | 21:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Dec 18 21:02:10 2012 UTC. The chair is ttx. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:02 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'project' | 21:02 |
| ttx | Agenda @ http://wiki.openstack.org/Meetings/ProjectMeeting | 21:02 |
| jgriffith | here | 21:02 |
| ttx | #topic General announcements | 21:02 |
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| ttx | First, as discussed in the TC meeting, if the summit date ends up being Apr 29 - May 2, we should adapt the release schedule a bit | 21:02 |
| ttx | In that case we would push back G2 to January 17, G3 to March 7 and final release to April 11 | 21:02 |
| ttx | would allow one more week before grizzly-2, which given the progress so far doesn't sound like a bad idea | 21:03 |
| ttx | That should hopefully be confirmed later this week ! | 21:03 |
| heckj | o/ | 21:03 |
| ttx | Next question is whether we should hold release status meetings on December 25th and January 1st | 21:03 |
| * heckj would prefer not | 21:03 | |
| ttx | My suggestion would be to skip them, and I'll hunt you all down via email in case I need answers/status updates | 21:03 |
| gabrielhurley | +1 | 21:04 |
| ttx | Is that ok for everyone ? | 21:04 |
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| jgriffith | +1 | 21:04 |
| markmc | yep | 21:04 |
| ttx | #info Next release status meeting on january 8, happy holidays | 21:04 |
| ttx | markmc, mordred, annegentle, davidkranz/jaypipes: Anything to report from Stable/CI/QA/Docs land ? | 21:05 |
| markmc | Nova 2012.2.2 went out | 21:05 |
| markmc | I've created 2012.2.3 milestones in launchpad for all projects | 21:05 |
| markmc | January 31st AFAIR | 21:05 |
| markmc | tentative date | 21:05 |
| davidkranz | Nothing to report at the moment. | 21:06 |
| ttx | OK, anything more to add before we move to project-specific topics ? | 21:06 |
| ttx | #topic Oslo status | 21:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Oslo status (Meeting topic: project)" | 21:07 | |
| ttx | #link https://launchpad.net/oslo/+milestone/grizzly-2 | 21:07 |
| ttx | Slightly late, but should be OK if I work on rootwrap tomorrow | 21:07 |
| ttx | so you can start working on binary/rename-on-copy stuff | 21:07 |
| markmc | yeah, I think we're mostly on track | 21:08 |
| ttx | markmc: How is olso-config looking ? | 21:08 |
| ttx | oslo-config* | 21:08 |
| * markmc digs up a link | 21:08 | |
| markmc | bah, can't find it quick;ly | 21:08 |
| markmc | posted another version of the oslo-config repo | 21:09 |
| markmc | with full history and proper setuptools handling of versions | 21:09 |
| markmc | I think it's mostly ready | 21:09 |
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| markmc | just need mordred to sign off on it | 21:09 |
| ttx | markmc: when do you expect projects start ripping out the code copy and use the lib ? | 21:09 |
| markmc | then the CI folks to do their thing to import it, set up jobs, etc. | 21:09 |
| ttx | post-g2 ? | 21:09 |
| markmc | yeah, I guess so | 21:09 |
| ttx | ok | 21:09 |
| markmc | nova and keystone are using the latest cfg api | 21:10 |
| ttx | Anything else on the oslo topic ? | 21:10 |
| markmc | there are reviews pending for glance and cinder | 21:10 |
| markmc | I'll get to quantum soon, I hope | 21:10 |
| markmc | nope, that's it | 21:10 |
| ttx | #topic Keystone status | 21:10 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Keystone status (Meeting topic: project)" | 21:10 | |
| ttx | heckj: Hi! Enjoyed your vacation time ? | 21:10 |
| ttx | #link https://launchpad.net/keystone/+milestone/grizzly-2 | 21:11 |
| heckj | ttx: it was nice, thanks | 21:11 |
| ttx | This now looks quite late, but some of it is due to lack of status updates on blueprints | 21:11 |
| ttx | user-groups: I see code was proposed -- ok if I set status to "NeedsCodeReview" ? | 21:11 |
| heckj | ttx: yep | 21:11 |
| ttx | About trusts: ayoung mentioned he had an implementation, but it wasn't posted yet ? | 21:12 |
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| heckj | store quota data will probably be deferred - no code up for review | 21:12 |
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| ayoung | ttx, still the case. | 21:12 |
| heckj | ttx: he's been getting everything set up for it - finding more dependencies that he needs, will probably move to G-3 | 21:12 |
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| * ttx looks if G3 has free space | 21:13 | |
| ttx | yeah, your G3 wasn't that crowded | 21:13 |
| heckj | we've been actively front-loading as much as possible | 21:13 |
| ttx | execpt delegation is a big thing in G3 | 21:14 |
| ttx | OK, that's all I had | 21:14 |
| ttx | Anything more about Keystone ? | 21:14 |
| ttx | heckj: defer early when you know it won't make it | 21:15 |
| heckj | ttx: will do | 21:15 |
| ttx | (helps setting expectations right) | 21:15 |
| ttx | #topic Swift status | 21:15 |
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| ttx | notmyname: o/ | 21:15 |
| ttx | #link https://launchpad.net/swift/+milestone/1.7.6 | 21:15 |
| notmyname | hi | 21:15 |
| ttx | notmyname: You had an action last week to update that -- shall I defer that to next time ? | 21:15 |
| notmyname | updating LP is still on my todo list | 21:15 |
| notmyname | I've been traveling quite a bit this last week | 21:16 |
| ttx | ok, re-action-ing | 21:16 |
| notmyname | I'll update it "Real soon now" ;-) | 21:16 |
| ttx | #action notmyname to update https://launchpad.net/swift/+milestone/1.7.6 with objectives | 21:16 |
| ttx | you have until next year now :) | 21:16 |
| ttx | post-apocalypse | 21:16 |
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| notmyname | we're shooting for a release in January, so it needs to be done by the next meeting anyway :-) | 21:16 |
| ttx | notmyname: Got my email on the proposed RC process ? | 21:16 |
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| notmyname | ya, I haven't had time to formulate a response (+ or -) | 21:17 |
| ttx | notmyname: no problem | 21:17 |
| notmyname | ttx: it's not time critical is it? | 21:17 |
| ttx | notmyname: no | 21:17 |
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| ttx | notmyname: I'll need to know by end of january, I'd say | 21:18 |
| notmyname | sure | 21:18 |
| ttx | notmyname: Anything else on Swift ? | 21:18 |
| notmyname | not from me right now | 21:18 |
| ttx | #topic Glance status | 21:19 |
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| ttx | bcwaldon: o/ | 21:19 |
| bcwaldon | ttx: hello! | 21:19 |
| ttx | #link https://launchpad.net/glance/+milestone/grizzly-2 | 21:19 |
| * ttx refreshes | 21:19 | |
| bcwaldon | didn't make much progress this past week | 21:19 |
| bcwaldon | bumped image sharing to G3 | 21:19 |
| ttx | refreshing doesn't work as well as last cycle | 21:19 |
| bcwaldon | we released python-glanceclient v0.7.0 on 12/12/12 | 21:20 |
| bcwaldon | ttx: that date works for both of us! | 21:20 |
| ttx | should have bumped version to 12.12.12 | 21:20 |
| bcwaldon | nothing else to report | 21:20 |
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| ttx | api-v2-property-protection: on track or you could use the extra week ? | 21:21 |
| bcwaldon | markwash just verbally committed to finishing that for G2 | 21:21 |
| ttx | markwash is assigned two concurrent essential features :) | 21:21 |
| bcwaldon | yep | 21:21 |
| bcwaldon | he's a hard worker | 21:21 |
| bcwaldon | and the domain-logic bp is coming to completion | 21:21 |
| comstud | he's finishing his cloning technology today | 21:22 |
| bcwaldon | yes, don't bother him | 21:22 |
| ttx | comstud: hopefully that cloning thing will merge faster than the cells stuff | 21:22 |
| comstud | lol | 21:22 |
| bcwaldon | burn | 21:22 |
| comstud | fair enough | 21:22 |
| markwash | its gonna be like when there were 3 jack donaghys | 21:22 |
| ttx | bcwaldon: Anything more on Glance ? | 21:22 |
| comstud | i could use his technology | 21:22 |
| bcwaldon | ttx: not at all, let's get this meeting back on track | 21:22 |
| bcwaldon | and ignore these jokers | 21:22 |
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| comstud | hush | 21:23 |
| ttx | let's get serious.. networking | 21:23 |
| ttx | #topic Quantum status | 21:23 |
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| salv-orlando | hi | 21:23 |
| ttx | salv-orlando: hi! | 21:23 |
| ttx | #link https://launchpad.net/quantum/+milestone/grizzly-2 | 21:23 |
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| salv-orlando | Not at lot of progress last week unfortunately | 21:23 |
| ttx | I like all this purple | 21:23 |
| salv-orlando | we're waiting to see what happens on friday | 21:23 |
| ttx | salv-orlando: Is there some core team bottleneck there ? Or just complex reviews that take time ? | 21:23 |
| salv-orlando | long reviews | 21:24 |
| salv-orlando | we have several patches with 1000+ lines | 21:24 |
| salv-orlando | however we are making progress especially on load balancing blueprints | 21:24 |
| ttx | salv-orlando: ideally you would prioritize reviews based on blueprint priority, but I guess you kind of already do that naturally | 21:24 |
| ttx | I had a few questions about blueprint status: | 21:24 |
| salv-orlando | yes, that's how core reviewers are using their review cycles | 21:25 |
| salv-orlando | ttx: shoot | 21:25 |
| ttx | rpc-for-l3-agent is marked Implemented but still has an active review @ https://review.openstack.org/15476 ?? | 21:25 |
| ttx | That's cheating. | 21:25 |
| salv-orlando | that's a follow-up patch. Yes the author should have filed a bug for this addendum | 21:25 |
| ttx | You can't evade my evil scripts | 21:25 |
| ttx | salv-orlando: ok :)à | 21:25 |
| ttx | :)* | 21:26 |
| salv-orlando | ttx: wait a sec | 21:26 |
| ttx | make-string-localizable has a number of merged changes -- is it complete or are there more to come ? | 21:26 |
| * ttx freezes | 21:26 | |
| salv-orlando | that is a patch which was given -2 | 21:26 |
| salv-orlando | afaik it's going to stay -2 | 21:26 |
| ttx | salv-orlando: ok, that should be solved by auto-andonment if nobody abandons it before | 21:26 |
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| salv-orlando | ttx: frankly I don't know when make-string-localizable could be considered complete | 21:27 |
| ttx | yeah, I don't like those "infinite tasks" blueprints that much | 21:27 |
| ttx | better tracked in some other way | 21:27 |
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| salv-orlando | ttx: agreed. Should I ask for filing a distinct bug for each patch | 21:28 |
| salv-orlando | ? | 21:28 |
| ttx | it should be removed from plan... or considered complete on some measurable milestone | 21:28 |
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| ttx | salv-orlando: no, could be a single bug in reference | 21:28 |
| ttx | or even no bug at all, in that specific case | 21:29 |
| ttx | I found a few other issues on the published plan: | 21:29 |
| salv-orlando | ttx: ok. I'll report to danwent and the core team and we will find a solution | 21:29 |
| ttx | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/quantum/+spec/tempest-tests-api : not in series goal, no priority -- remove milestone or add seriesgoal ? | 21:29 |
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| ttx | same question for https://blueprints.launchpad.net/quantum/+spec/extended-tempest-tests-api | 21:30 |
| ttx | they are "proposed for grizzly" currently | 21:31 |
| ttx | should they be "accepted" ? | 21:31 |
| salv-orlando | ttx: thanks for pointing that out. Those blueprints have been registered last friday. I don't think they're officially in any plan at the moment. | 21:31 |
| ttx | I guess we can sort them out next time if they still stand out | 21:31 |
| ttx | finally: quantum-scheduler (g2/High) depends on quantum-multihost (no milestone/Medium) | 21:32 |
| ttx | Looks like quantum-multihost should be g2/high, or the dependency removed | 21:32 |
| salv-orlando | ttx: right. We will fix this too. From what I gather it seems we're going to bump to G-3 | 21:32 |
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| ttx | ok | 21:32 |
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| ttx | Anything else on Quantum ? | 21:32 |
| salv-orlando | Nothing worth mentioning here | 21:33 |
| ttx | #topic Cinder status | 21:33 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Cinder status (Meeting topic: project)" | 21:33 | |
| ttx | jgriffith: hi! | 21:33 |
| ttx | #link https://launchpad.net/cinder/+milestone/grizzly-2 | 21:33 |
| jgriffith | Yo | 21:33 |
| ttx | Nice progress here | 21:33 |
| jgriffith | I had to push a couple more out but the rest I'm feeling good about | 21:33 |
| ttx | You bumped local-storage out ? | 21:33 |
| jgriffith | ttx: :( | 21:33 |
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| jgriffith | local storage, and expect-delete | 21:34 |
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| jgriffith | Haven't heard from vincent in a couple weeks | 21:34 |
| jgriffith | If something changes and we get it, that's great, otherwise G3 | 21:34 |
| ttx | add-cloning-support-to-cinder: I see code proposed, should I just set to NeedsCodeReview ? | 21:34 |
| jgriffith | ttx: correct | 21:35 |
| ttx | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/cinder/+spec/emc-volume-driver : targeted at grizzly-2 but not in series goal. Should I just add it ? | 21:35 |
| jgriffith | ttx: I would wait... on that | 21:35 |
| jgriffith | ttx: I have a question for folks at the end of the meeting related to that :) | 21:35 |
| jgriffith | ttx: or I guess I could ask quickly now... up to you | 21:36 |
| ttx | at the end of the meeting ? Why not ask now ? | 21:36 |
| jgriffith | hehe | 21:36 |
| ttx | ask | 21:36 |
| ttx | new format, no more open discussion at the end | 21:36 |
| jgriffith | So EMC has their own client published on pypi that they rely on | 21:36 |
| jgriffith | Needed for their unit tests | 21:36 |
| jgriffith | how do we feel about adding it to openstack requirements ? | 21:36 |
| jgriffith | Just wasn't sure of the precedence given 99.9% user don't need/want it | 21:37 |
| ttx | jgriffith: link to that lib ? | 21:37 |
| jgriffith | ttx: don't have it, he published last night | 21:37 |
| ttx | jgriffith: obviously depends on the licensing around that lib | 21:37 |
| jgriffith | ttx: Ahaaaa... excellent point | 21:38 |
| ttx | jgriffith: and should raise a new dependency thread on openstack-dev | 21:38 |
| jgriffith | ttx: Ok, I'll look at both of those things | 21:38 |
| ttx | jgriffith: maybe it's a big pile of crap no distro will want to package | 21:38 |
| jgriffith | ttx: that's it.. thanks | 21:38 |
| jgriffith | ttx: well, there's that :) | 21:38 |
| ttx | Anything more in Cinder ? | 21:38 |
| ttx | #topic Nova status | 21:39 |
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| ttx | vishy: o/ | 21:39 |
| ttx | #link https://launchpad.net/nova/+milestone/grizzly-2 | 21:39 |
| * ttx refreshes | 21:39 | |
| ttx | vishy: Generally a bit late I think, especially in the High priority stuff | 21:39 |
| vishy | hi | 21:40 |
| ttx | aggregate-based-availability-zones: I see code proposed, should I set NeedsCodeReview ? | 21:40 |
| vishy | i don't think I'mrove Block Device handling will make it | 21:40 |
| vishy | yes please | 21:40 |
| ttx | instance-actions: same question | 21:40 |
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| vishy | i think https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/xenapi-volume-drivers might be done | 21:41 |
| ttx | vishy: how about pushing back Improve Block Device Handling to g3 ? | 21:42 |
| jog0 | ttx: yes | 21:42 |
| vishy | yes needs code review | 21:42 |
| vishy | ttx: yes sounds good | 21:42 |
| ttx | no-db-compute-manager: A number of changes were merged... are there more expected ? | 21:42 |
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| vishy | russellb, dansmith: ^^ | 21:43 |
| ttx | I'll try to confirm xenapi-volume-drivers completion with mate-lakat | 21:44 |
| ttx | #action ttx to confirm xenapi-volume-drivers completion with mate-lakat | 21:44 |
| ttx | apis-for-nova-manage: same question (A number of changes were merged... are there more expected ?) | 21:44 |
| russellb | more are expected | 21:45 |
| russellb | but should be finished by grizzly-2 | 21:45 |
| ttx | And finally: coverage-extension: looks like it's implemented ? | 21:45 |
| vishy | ttx: i think the apis there are a few more | 21:45 |
| vishy | yes implemented | 21:46 |
| ttx | nova-compute-cells: Are we making progress on the review ? | 21:46 |
| * comstud . | 21:46 | |
| comstud | it's all on me | 21:46 |
| ayoung | dtroyer, can you point me at why requests is beter than httplib? | 21:46 |
| comstud | right now, anyway | 21:46 |
| comstud | was fixing tests late last week.. discovered a couple tiny things here before I put up next round | 21:46 |
| vishy | ayoung: might want to take that to -dev | 21:47 |
| ttx | comstud: a new round of fixes on the changes ? ok | 21:47 |
| comstud | yah, round of reviews | 21:47 |
| comstud | i think there's like 8 reviews? | 21:47 |
| ttx | comstud, vishy: feeling like it can still hit before g2 ? | 21:47 |
| comstud | hehe | 21:47 |
| comstud | i'm confident | 21:47 |
| comstud | i think this will address people's concerns | 21:47 |
| ttx | it's one of those things I'd really prefer to have in an early milestone | 21:48 |
| ttx | Any question on Nova ? | 21:48 |
| comstud | yep | 21:48 |
| comstud | (no question) | 21:48 |
| ttx | #topic Horizon status | 21:48 |
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| ttx | gabrielhurley: hey | 21:48 |
| gabrielhurley | hi | 21:48 |
| ttx | #link https://launchpad.net/horizon/+milestone/grizzly-2 | 21:49 |
| ttx | Looks a bit late too | 21:49 |
| gabrielhurley | clarified a lot of the quantum BPs, got some more started, but still late. | 21:49 |
| ttx | Could you make use of an additional week ? :) | 21:49 |
| gabrielhurley | I will not complain about having extra time | 21:49 |
| ttx | resource-introspection: how is that progressing ? | 21:49 |
| gabrielhurley | that's my pet proejct of the holiday | 21:49 |
| gabrielhurley | s/of/for | 21:49 |
| ttx | file-upload-redux: same question | 21:50 |
| gabrielhurley | Progress is good last I heard. I'm gonna get an update at the Horizon meeting after this. | 21:50 |
| ttx | The quantum-related blueprints are not "accepetd" for grizzly yet. Should I fix that ? | 21:51 |
| gabrielhurley | oh | 21:51 |
| gabrielhurley | yeah | 21:51 |
| ttx | accepted* | 21:51 |
| ttx | will do | 21:51 |
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| ttx | gabrielhurley: i should accept all of them ? improve-quantum-summary-table quantum-floating-ip quantum-l3-support quantum-vnic-ordering quantum-network-topology quantum-security-group | 21:51 |
| gabrielhurley | I'll go through and double-check | 21:51 |
| gabrielhurley | I'll do that as soon as we're done here | 21:52 |
| ttx | ok, then i'll let you review those | 21:52 |
| ttx | You can find them all at https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/grizzly/+setgoals | 21:52 |
| gabrielhurley | perfect | 21:53 |
| ttx | that's all I had | 21:53 |
| ttx | Anything more on Horizon ? | 21:53 |
| ttx | #topic Incubated projects | 21:53 |
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| ttx | Anyone from Ceilometer or Heat ? | 21:53 |
| stevebake | hi | 21:53 |
| ttx | Heat goes first | 21:53 |
| ttx | #link https://launchpad.net/heat/+milestone/grizzly-2 | 21:53 |
| ttx | I see you added a new one since last week :) | 21:54 |
| ttx | so it's no longer all-completed :) | 21:54 |
| stevebake | Not much to report. Is there a way of listing bugs which have no milestone attached? | 21:54 |
| ttx | stevebake: mayyyybe. | 21:55 |
| ttx | If not, I could script that for you | 21:55 |
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| ttx | I'l check off-meeting | 21:55 |
| stevebake | there are a bunch of bug which should have milestones, I can always to it manually | 21:55 |
| ttx | In other news you have a tarball job now... I'm trying to get it fixed so that the tarballs are properly versioned | 21:55 |
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| stevebake | anyway, we're all testing, fixing, packaging and documenting here | 21:55 |
| stevebake | ah, yes. what does the docs job actually do? | 21:56 |
| stevebake | we have a docs change about to land. sphinx laid out like other projects | 21:56 |
| ttx | stevebake: not sure, I think it extracts rst docs from code and posts it somewhere | 21:56 |
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| ttx | stevebake: you should ping annegentle about that | 21:57 |
| ttx | On the general grizzly plan, https://blueprints.launchpad.net/heat/+spec/raw-template-db is missing implementation status and priority | 21:57 |
| ttx | otherwise it's all sane | 21:57 |
| stevebake | yep, she be helping us | 21:57 |
| ttx | Nobody from ceilometer ? | 21:57 |
| stevebake | ok | 21:57 |
| ttx | stevebake: other questions ? | 21:57 |
| stevebake | no | 21:57 |
| ttx | ok then if we don't have the ceilometer crowd around, let's end this | 21:59 |
| ttx | #endmeeting | 21:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack meetings || Development in #openstack-dev || Help in #openstack" | 21:59 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Dec 18 21:59:26 2012 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/project/2012/project.2012-12-18-21.02.html | 21:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/project/2012/project.2012-12-18-21.02.txt | 21:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/project/2012/project.2012-12-18-21.02.log.html | 21:59 |
| ttx | Thanks everyone ! Have good holidays | 21:59 |
| gabrielhurley | #startmeeting horizon | 22:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Dec 18 22:00:13 2012 UTC. The chair is gabrielhurley. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 22:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 22:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: horizon)" | 22:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'horizon' | 22:00 |
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| gabrielhurley | Hi folks, I'm crazy busy today, so I'm gonna keep my pieces extra-short. | 22:00 |
| gabrielhurley | #topic General Horizon Status | 22:00 |
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| gabrielhurley | Nothing major to report since last week, progress continues to be made, I'll cover the rest in other topics. ;-) | 22:01 |
| gabrielhurley | #topic Blueprints and Bugs | 22:01 |
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| gabrielhurley | We got all the Quantum BPs figured out, targeted and assigned. | 22:01 |
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| gabrielhurley | Big thanks to amotoki and nati_ueno for that. | 22:01 |
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| gabrielhurley | The "resource introspection" blueprint is my project over the holidays, so expect a big patch from me in early january. | 22:02 |
| gabrielhurley | davidlenwell: any update on file uploads? | 22:02 |
| davidlenwell | gabrielhurley: sorry . I'm behind .. they have me relocating | 22:03 |
| davidlenwell | its not a lot of work .. I think I can squeeze it in this week | 22:03 |
| gabrielhurley | awesome. you've still got a couple, but the sooner the better | 22:03 |
| gabrielhurley | major relocation or minor? | 22:03 |
| davidlenwell | I'll make it one of my holiday projects | 22:03 |
| davidlenwell | from LA to Seattle | 22:04 |
| davidlenwell | about 1000 miles | 22:04 |
| gabrielhurley | oh, that's pretty significant. you should say hi to the Nebula Seattle folks sometime ;-) | 22:04 |
| gabrielhurley | good luck with the move | 22:04 |
| gabrielhurley | Anyhow, bug-wise there's no change. No actionable bugs reported in the last week. That's always a good thing. | 22:04 |
| gabrielhurley | I thought I found a bug, then I updated my glanceclient and realized it was fine. lol. | 22:05 |
| davidlenwell | will do .. they are pretty close to the hp offices | 22:05 |
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| gabrielhurley | #topic General Discussion | 22:05 |
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| gabrielhurley | floor is open, feel free | 22:05 |
| mrunge | I was asking myself, how to improve debugging | 22:06 |
| mrunge | we have more or less reports | 22:06 |
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| mrunge | all saying COMPRESSION error | 22:06 |
| mrunge | which doesn't mean anything | 22:06 |
| mrunge | or it could be everything | 22:06 |
| mrunge | when you're running horizon with compression offline enabled | 22:07 |
| mrunge | (to skip the node.js requirement) | 22:07 |
| gabrielhurley | yeah, my feeling on those tends to be that the biggest problem is due to questionable guides for specific builds/distros... but I would like to make that less painful for people | 22:07 |
| mrunge | in most cases it turned out, people just didn't enable a volume service | 22:07 |
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| gabrielhurley | I think we got that fix in there this week, right? or maybe that needs one more +2 | 22:08 |
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| mrunge | yupp, it is in | 22:08 |
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| mrunge | but, I'd like that also for folsom | 22:08 |
| mrunge | to fix that issues for the people there too | 22:08 |
| mrunge | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/18303/ | 22:09 |
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| gabrielhurley | ah, yes, backport would be a good idea | 22:09 |
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| gabrielhurley | cool, I'll review that | 22:09 |
| mrunge | great! I appreciate it! | 22:10 |
| mrunge | and do we have a meeting next week? | 22:10 |
| gabrielhurley | ah, good question | 22:10 |
| gabrielhurley | the answer is no | 22:10 |
| gabrielhurley | nor the week after (new years day) | 22:10 |
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| mrunge | yes, I thought that | 22:11 |
| gabrielhurley | this meeting will resume along with the TC meeting on the 8th | 22:11 |
| gabrielhurley | but feel free to email me, etc. if there are questions | 22:11 |
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| mrunge | ah, ok. | 22:11 |
| gabrielhurley | I will still be doing code reviews, etc obviously | 22:11 |
| mrunge | do you write a message to the mailing list? | 22:11 |
| gabrielhurley | yeah, I'll send out a note | 22:11 |
| mrunge | regarding next meeting on...? | 22:11 |
| mrunge | awesome | 22:12 |
| gabrielhurley | anything/anybody else? | 22:12 |
| mrunge | yes, I will take a look on reviews in the time between | 22:12 |
| amotoki | hi | 22:12 |
| gabrielhurley | hi | 22:12 |
| amotoki | gabrielhurley: thank you for accepting Quantum BPs. | 22:12 |
| gabrielhurley | thanks for getting the blueprints in there | 22:12 |
| gabrielhurley | of course | 22:12 |
| gabrielhurley | everything looks pretty reasonable | 22:13 |
| gabrielhurley | the one worry being about the vnic ordering, but we'll deal with that in G3 | 22:13 |
| gabrielhurley | anything in specific you wanted to mention, amotoki? | 22:14 |
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| amotoki | no. I have no special topics now. | 22:14 |
| jpich | gabrielhurley: If you could offer your feedback on the project for vkmc at some point before January, I would really appreciate it :) | 22:14 |
| gabrielhurley | great. thanks for saying hi, then. :-) | 22:14 |
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| gabrielhurley | jpich: definitely. your email is in my inbox to-do list | 22:14 |
| gabrielhurley | this week is just insane | 22:14 |
| jpich | gabrielhurley: Great, thanks! | 22:14 |
| jpich | gabrielhurley: Good luck with the insanity | 22:15 |
| gabrielhurley | absolutely, sorry for being slow | 22:15 |
| jpich | gabrielhurley: No worries, I just want to avoid it sleeping through the cracks if possible | 22:15 |
| mrunge | yeah, Gabriel, keep cool. | 22:15 |
| gabrielhurley | definitely | 22:15 |
| jpich | s/sleeping/slipping/ | 22:15 |
| gabrielhurley | awesome folks. I'm gonna wrap it up here. Good luck to all of you and happy holidays whichever ones you may celebrate! | 22:16 |
| jpich | Cheers, to you as well | 22:16 |
| mrunge | yeah, same to you all | 22:16 |
| gabrielhurley | #endmeeting | 22:16 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Dec 18 22:16:20 2012 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:16 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizon/2012/horizon.2012-12-18-22.00.html | 22:16 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizon/2012/horizon.2012-12-18-22.00.txt | 22:16 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizon/2012/horizon.2012-12-18-22.00.log.html | 22:16 |
| amotoki | happy holidays! everyone | 22:16 |
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