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| jgriffith | #startmeeting cinder | 16:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jan 2 16:01:28 2013 UTC. The chair is jgriffith. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: cinder)" | 16:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'cinder' | 16:01 |
| jgriffith | Happy New Year folks! | 16:01 |
| rushiagr | jgriffith: happy new year to you too! :) | 16:01 |
| jgriffith | thingee: kmartin rushiagr bswartz around? | 16:01 |
| thingee | o/ | 16:02 |
| rushiagr | o/ | 16:02 |
| kmartin | yep, Happy New Year! | 16:02 |
| jgriffith | So this should be fairly short today as we're all just getting back at it | 16:02 |
| jgriffith | rushiagr: I caught your comments on the clone patch this morning and updated | 16:02 |
| bswartz | hi | 16:02 |
| jgriffith | rushiagr: You were correct... sorry, I missed that global defs under the fake class there | 16:03 |
| jgriffith | rushiagr: Regardless it needed some tweaking due to how folks chose to inherrit things | 16:03 |
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| jgriffith | bswartz: howdy | 16:03 |
| rushiagr | jgriffith: okay.. | 16:03 |
| jgriffith | Alrighty... G2 | 16:03 |
| jgriffith | #topic Grizzly 2 status | 16:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Grizzly 2 status (Meeting topic: cinder)" | 16:03 | |
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| jgriffith | https://launchpad.net/cinder/+milestone/grizzly-2 | 16:04 |
| jgriffith | We're not looking too bad | 16:04 |
| jgriffith | Set to close on Jan 10 | 16:04 |
| jgriffith | I'd like to be pretty solid on anything going in to review by the end of this week | 16:04 |
| jgriffith | I think we'll drop "volume backups" and "multiple back-ends" (again) | 16:05 |
| frankm | We're still working on volume backups John | 16:05 |
| jgriffith | frankm: cool... I'll hold off if you think you'll have the patch in this week or soon after | 16:06 |
| xyang | Hi John, I have a question. Is there a place for checking in a ReadMe file on how to use a specific Cinder driver? | 16:06 |
| frankm | Last update I had from Duncan was that he was still confident we could meet G2 | 16:06 |
| jgriffith | frankm: Well then... never mind :) | 16:06 |
| jgriffith | xyang: Yes, it goes in the docs | 16:06 |
| jgriffith | xyang: I'll catch up with you later and point you to the lcoation in the XML files | 16:07 |
| xyang | Sure. Thanks | 16:07 |
| jgriffith | Ok... so that just leaves the multi backends and the delete volumes with snaps | 16:07 |
| jgriffith | I started working on the delete volumes with snapshots but I think we'd be better to wait until we have capability reporting implemented | 16:08 |
| jgriffith | I think that's the right way to go rather than hack it in now then change it afterwards | 16:08 |
| jgriffith | so I'll move it out to G3 | 16:08 |
| jgriffith | anybody have any updates on G2 work they're doing? | 16:08 |
| eharney | i would like to get this LIO support landed in G2 | 16:09 |
| bswartz | xyang: https://github.com/openstack/openstack-manuals/blob/master/doc/src/docbkx/openstack-compute-admin/computevolumes.xml | 16:09 |
| jgriffith | eharney: noted | 16:09 |
| jgriffith | eharney: I would like to see that as well :) | 16:09 |
| eharney | i don't see any big problems, just need to figure out what you had run into | 16:10 |
| jgriffith | eharney: did you get a chance to try it out on Precise? | 16:10 |
| kmartin | jgriffith: Walt should have the 3PAR iSCSI driver fixed up today | 16:10 |
| jgriffith | eharney: Ok... hopefully it was just a missing step on my part | 16:10 |
| jgriffith | kmartin: cool | 16:10 |
| eharney | jgriffith: yeah it seems to be working for me... can try to get more info from you in a bit and see what's up | 16:10 |
| jgriffith | eharney: Other than testing the review seemed fine | 16:10 |
| jgriffith | eharney: Yeah, and I'm going to try and set it up again and see if I just missed something silly | 16:11 |
| kmartin | will the multi backend be done in G3? | 16:11 |
| jgriffith | kmartin: YES | 16:11 |
| jgriffith | kmartin: and only 10 months after we initially wanted it :) | 16:11 |
| kmartin | cool, we'll need that :) | 16:11 |
| jgriffith | kmartin: we need to make some decisions on how we want to implement it | 16:11 |
| jgriffith | kmartin: that's the sticking point | 16:11 |
| kmartin | ok, maybe we can help? | 16:12 |
| jgriffith | kmartin: but I'm pretty much sold on trying to do multiple services on a single node even though rnirmal has code that works and is in production already. | 16:12 |
| jgriffith | kmartin: and all... as a refresher: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/11192/ | 16:12 |
| kmartin | thanks, we'll take a look at it | 16:13 |
| jgriffith | cool.... | 16:13 |
| jgriffith | alright.. other than that all I really have to say about G2 is please keep an eye on reviews | 16:13 |
| jgriffith | They're starting to pile up a bit once again | 16:13 |
| rnirmal | jgriffith: yeah I haven't updated that in a while | 16:13 |
| jgriffith | rnirmal: No worries, we kinda got stuck on how we wanted to proceed with that one anyway | 16:14 |
| rnirmal | jgriffith: yup | 16:14 |
| jgriffith | Anybody have anything else WRT G2? | 16:14 |
| jgriffith | Ok... should probably mention what I'm envisioning for G3 priorities: | 16:15 |
| jgriffith | #topic G3 | 16:15 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "G3 (Meeting topic: cinder)" | 16:15 | |
| jgriffith | Just a quick run down of what's on my mind so far.... | 16:15 |
| jgriffith | 1. Multi-backend | 16:15 |
| jgriffith | 2. States | 16:15 |
| jgriffith | 3. capability reporting from drivers | 16:15 |
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| jgriffith | 4. Fibre | 16:16 |
| jgriffith | Those are my top 4 at any rate | 16:16 |
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| bswartz | 5. cinder-nas | 16:16 |
| jgriffith | bswartz: :) | 16:16 |
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| kmartin | bswartz: top "1" :) | 16:17 |
| jgriffith | bswartz: how's that coming along? | 16:17 |
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| bswartz | jgriffith: we're pretty confident | 16:17 |
| bswartz | we can structure it as a separate service within cinder | 16:17 |
| jgriffith | bswartz: The earlier you share the code the better :) | 16:17 |
| jgriffith | bswartz: awesome | 16:18 |
| bswartz | it's just a lot of work to do to get from our current design to the design with less overlap | 16:18 |
| jgriffith | alrighty.... anything else on G3? | 16:18 |
| jgriffith | bswartz: understood :( | 16:18 |
| jgriffith | bswartz: sorry about that... | 16:18 |
| kmartin | FC is on track, maybe even ahead of schedule, should get the review in at the very start of G3 iif not before | 16:18 |
| jgriffith | bswartz: but I still think it's the *right* way to do it | 16:18 |
| thingee | I'd also like to see the code sooner even if not finished just to get a head start on it. | 16:18 |
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| bswartz | thingee: understood | 16:19 |
| jgriffith | bswartz: It will help all of us as I imagine the patch will be quite large and take quite a bit of reviewing | 16:19 |
| jgriffith | Oh.... one other thing for G3.. DOCS!!!!!!! | 16:19 |
| jgriffith | We REALLY need to fix our documentation this time around | 16:20 |
| jgriffith | alright... moving on | 16:20 |
| bswartz | let's make a G4 milestone that includes docs | 16:20 |
| bswartz | well before the final deadline | 16:20 |
| thingee | bswartz: +1 I wanna get docs for our restful api v1 and v2 | 16:21 |
| jgriffith | bswartz: Yeah, probably a good plan | 16:21 |
| jgriffith | bswartz: The only thing I'd want to be sure is people don't avoid working on it in G3 just because it's slated G4 :) | 16:21 |
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| jgriffith | We kinda ran into that in Folsom | 16:22 |
| kmartin | jgriffith: We'll need to add some info to the docs for 3PAR drivers and FC support, we actually have a doc person that starts this week or next to start working on this. | 16:22 |
| jgriffith | kmartin: Nice | 16:22 |
| jgriffith | For those that haven't fought the docs battle yet, we do have OpenStack licenses for Oxygen | 16:22 |
| jgriffith | depending on how much editing you want to do | 16:22 |
| kmartin | so we are intertested in the you reply to xyang above on the location and stuff for the changes | 16:23 |
| jgriffith | cool | 16:23 |
| jgriffith | alrighty... | 16:23 |
| jgriffith | #topic meeting frequency | 16:23 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "meeting frequency (Meeting topic: cinder)" | 16:23 | |
| jgriffith | My next question is do folks feel that we should maybe meet every other week? | 16:23 |
| jgriffith | Or general thoughts on the usefulness of this weekly meeting? | 16:24 |
| jgriffith | I don't want to meet just for the sake of meeting | 16:25 |
| jgriffith | and to be honest I'd like to see more discussion in openstack-cinder rather than here | 16:25 |
| bswartz | I think weekly is still appropriate given that we still manage to use up the whole hour quite frequently | 16:25 |
| jgriffith | here == this meeting | 16:25 |
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| kmartin | agree with weekly | 16:25 |
| jgriffith | Ok.. that's +2 for keeping weekly | 16:25 |
| xyang | +1 | 16:25 |
| jgriffith | alright, let's keep it but I'm going to try and be a bit more disciplined with the conversations/topics going forward | 16:25 |
| jgriffith | I'd also really like to encourage more folks to hang out in openstack-dev/cinder and keep up to date with each other on a regular basis | 16:26 |
| jgriffith | Some of you I only catch on IRC once a week and it's at this meeting :( | 16:26 |
| * jgriffith feels bad that folks don't want to hang out with him | 16:26 | |
| xyang | How does openstack-cinder work? Can you just ask question any time, and someone may respond? | 16:27 |
| jgriffith | xyang: yup | 16:27 |
| xyang | cool | 16:27 |
| jgriffith | xyang: It's just like openstack-dev but specific to cinder | 16:27 |
| bswartz | jgriffith: we chould get an IRC operator to help us get operator control of our channel | 16:27 |
| jgriffith | xyang: either channel is good and personally I monitor both | 16:27 |
| thingee | xyang: I make a point to being on all the time (aside from recent holiday which is over) | 16:27 |
| thingee | I think core is expected to be around anyways | 16:28 |
| jgriffith | bswartz: not sure it's needed, but maybe you have something in mind? | 16:28 |
| jgriffith | thingee: +1 | 16:28 |
| xyang | I'll give a try next time. thanks | 16:28 |
| bswartz | just so we can change the asinine topic | 16:28 |
| jgriffith | bswartz: LOL | 16:28 |
| jgriffith | I think that was thingee wasn't it? | 16:28 |
| jgriffith | anyway... if it's that offensive we can figure it out later | 16:29 |
| jgriffith | But.. more importantly | 16:29 |
| bswartz | is the topic supposed to be a blocks-related joke? | 16:29 |
| jgriffith | bswartz: yep.. that was actually a proposed project name | 16:29 |
| bswartz | I thought it was just a reference to a bad band from the 90s | 16:29 |
| jgriffith | LOL | 16:29 |
| jgriffith | Ok... so something about core | 16:30 |
| jgriffith | #topic core responsbilities | 16:30 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "core responsbilities (Meeting topic: cinder)" | 16:30 | |
| jgriffith | so just a reminder being core team member has some responsbilities associated with it | 16:33 |
| jgriffith | as thingee mentioned being available on IRC is one | 16:33 |
| jgriffith | reviews is another | 16:33 |
| thingee | jgriffith, bswartz: that was one of the proposed names for the project back at the summit | 16:33 |
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| jgriffith | thingee: Oh I remember :) | 16:33 |
| bswartz | I'm glad that one wasn't chosen | 16:33 |
| jgriffith | bswartz: Yeah, too long to type | 16:33 |
| jgriffith | haha | 16:33 |
| jgriffith | Ok... so back to core | 16:33 |
| jgriffith | bug triage and fixing etc | 16:33 |
| jgriffith | The biggest thing is reviews | 16:33 |
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| jgriffith | Just a heads up after Grizzly we'll probably disband the existing core team and start over with nominations etc | 16:34 |
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| * jgriffith figures if he has to go through the process again everybody else can too :) | 16:34 | |
| jgriffith | Any thoughts/questions on the topic of core team? | 16:35 |
| thingee | jgriffith: sounds good to me | 16:35 |
| jgriffith | excellent | 16:36 |
| jgriffith | alrighty... | 16:36 |
| jgriffith | #topic open discussion | 16:36 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open discussion (Meeting topic: cinder)" | 16:36 | |
| jgriffith | anybody have anything? | 16:36 |
| rushiagr | when we start nominations, will there be a maximum limit on number of core members? i am a bit new to nominations thingy at OpenStack | 16:36 |
| jgriffith | rushiagr: Nope | 16:36 |
| jgriffith | rushiagr: we can use all the core folks we can get | 16:37 |
| rushiagr | jgriffith: okay, cool | 16:37 |
| jgriffith | rushiagr: It's just a matter of core members doing the job of core | 16:37 |
| rushiagr | jgriffith: hmm...got it | 16:37 |
| thingee | just fyi everyone, core nomination rules as of now http://wiki.openstack.org/Governance/Approved/CoreDevProcess | 16:37 |
| jgriffith | thingee: :) | 16:37 |
| jgriffith | beat me to it | 16:37 |
| jgriffith | So just to add some more info to that and what it means to me inparticular... | 16:38 |
| jgriffith | Reviews is one of the biggest things | 16:38 |
| jgriffith | but also... contributions to the project | 16:38 |
| jgriffith | and contributions outside of vendor specific drivers | 16:39 |
| jgriffith | in other words "core contributions" | 16:39 |
| jgriffith | thus the term 'core' :) | 16:39 |
| kmartin | jgriffith: we at HP better start greasing the skids with HP mgmt on this now :) | 16:40 |
| jgriffith | kmartin: LOL... get the lawyers primed :) | 16:40 |
| kmartin | no kidding | 16:40 |
| jgriffith | kmartin: Just create a gmail account and sign up as an individual contributor :) | 16:40 |
| * jgriffith better shut up before some companies lawyer sees what he's typing | 16:41 | |
| creiht | lol | 16:41 |
| kmartin | jgriffith: one just walked over to my desk and would like to talk to you | 16:41 |
| jgriffith | lol | 16:41 |
| jgriffith | alright... well I guess that's it from my side | 16:42 |
| jgriffith | anybody have anything else? | 16:42 |
| jgriffith | Ok... | 16:43 |
| jgriffith | thanks everyone!!! | 16:43 |
| kmartin | thanks | 16:43 |
| jgriffith | and Happy New Year!!! | 16:43 |
| jgriffith | #endmeeting | 16:43 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack meetings || Development in #openstack-dev || Help in #openstack" | 16:43 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jan 2 16:43:15 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:43 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2013/cinder.2013-01-02-16.01.html | 16:43 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2013/cinder.2013-01-02-16.01.txt | 16:43 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2013/cinder.2013-01-02-16.01.log.html | 16:43 |
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| johngarbutt | #startmeeting XenAPI | 16:59 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jan 2 16:59:00 2013 UTC. The chair is johngarbutt. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:59 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:59 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'xenapi' | 16:59 |
| bobba | starting a minute early! | 16:59 |
| bobba | :) | 16:59 |
| johngarbutt | Hi everyone! | 16:59 |
| johngarbutt | happy new year! | 16:59 |
| johngarbutt | I guess my local clock is getting a bit fast :-) | 17:00 |
| johngarbutt | keeps me on time | 17:00 |
| bobba | Happy new year to you too. | 17:00 |
| johngarbutt | Just a quick role call | 17:00 |
| johngarbutt | can anyone shout out if they are around and have anything they want to raise, before we go through the agenda | 17:01 |
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| bobba | I'm here, but nothing to raise for me. | 17:01 |
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| johngarbutt | I guess it is close to the holidays, and I have not sent the usual reminder email | 17:02 |
| johngarbutt | I don't really have any more updates | 17:03 |
| bobba | Very close to the holidays - I imagine a good proportion of people are still on holiday, and the rest are slowly getting back into the stride of things | 17:03 |
| johngarbutt | #help it would be good to get this review looked at: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/15022/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/15023/ | 17:04 |
| johngarbutt | other than that, nothing from me | 17:04 |
| johngarbutt | OK, I will still hold this next week in the hope of some #blueprint updates | 17:05 |
| johngarbutt | #endmeeting | 17:05 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jan 2 17:05:15 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:05 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/xenapi/2013/xenapi.2013-01-02-16.59.html | 17:05 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/xenapi/2013/xenapi.2013-01-02-16.59.txt | 17:05 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/xenapi/2013/xenapi.2013-01-02-16.59.log.html | 17:05 |
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| asalkeld | #startmeeting heat | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jan 2 20:00:02 2013 UTC. The chair is asalkeld. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: heat)" | 20:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'heat' | 20:00 |
| asalkeld | #chairs shardy asalkeld stevebake jpeeler | 20:00 |
| stevebake | http://wiki.openstack.org/Meetings/HeatAgenda | 20:01 |
| asalkeld | #chair shardy asalkeld stevebake jpeeler | 20:01 |
| openstack | Current chairs: asalkeld jpeeler shardy stevebake | 20:01 |
| asalkeld | stevebake, you want to run the show, my fingers are sore? | 20:01 |
| stevebake | yep | 20:02 |
| asalkeld | (or anyone else) | 20:02 |
| stevebake | #topic Review last week's actions | 20:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Review last week's actions (Meeting topic: heat)" | 20:02 | |
| stevebake | zaneb start an email discussion on where to keep cfn-tools for easy install | 20:02 |
| stevebake | which leads into | 20:02 |
| stevebake | #topic Steve's cfntools work | 20:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Steve's cfntools work (Meeting topic: heat)" | 20:02 | |
| asalkeld | looked good to me stevebake | 20:03 |
| stevebake | So hopefully you've read my email. | 20:03 |
| asalkeld | yip | 20:03 |
| stevebake | https://github.com/steveb/heat-cfntools is a fork of heat-jeos | 20:03 |
| stevebake | I've been playing with ubuntu packaging in https://github.com/steveb/heat-cfntools/tree/ubuntu-ppa | 20:04 |
| shardy | Looked good to me, apart from the comments about moving to imagefactory - I don't think there's any rush to do that as the IF openstack support still needs some imrpovement IMO/IME | 20:04 |
| shardy | stevebake: Have you spoken to zigo (debian packager of heat)? | 20:04 |
| asalkeld | good idea | 20:05 |
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| stevebake | so for imagefactory, redhat has allocated an internal server which has imagefactory installed | 20:05 |
| asalkeld | #action asalkeld to setup git repo | 20:06 |
| stevebake | I've got root on it now, so I'll have a play with it. But I'll come up with a heat-jeos that still works with oz | 20:06 |
| shardy | stevebake: there are several problems, not least that it only supports raw disk images, which makes launching instances horribly slow | 20:06 |
| shardy | I sent some patches but they need some review rework | 20:06 |
| stevebake | does it use an old branch of oz? | 20:06 |
| shardy | and there are other problems which I've not yet fixed up (like a horrid non-sparse copy which writes ~9GB of zeros) | 20:07 |
| stevebake | ooo | 20:07 |
| shardy | The problems are in the imagefactory code, fairly easy stuff to fix but it's been low priority since I looked at it a few weeks back | 20:07 |
| stevebake | ok, I'll dial back the imagefactory integration and focus on the tdls for packaged heat-cfntools | 20:08 |
| shardy | As I said, good long term goal, but it should be a background task IMO | 20:08 |
| stevebake | cool. | 20:08 |
| asalkeld | you want the repo to be called "heat-cfn" or "heat-cfntools" ? | 20:09 |
| stevebake | I'll let zigo know that heat-cfntools needs packaging so debian can be used as a heat jeos image | 20:09 |
| stevebake | I have no strong feelings, heat-cfntools is fine by me | 20:10 |
| shardy | asalkeld: I'd say heat-cfntools, to avoid confusion with the heat-cfn tool | 20:10 |
| shardy | stevebake: Sounds good | 20:10 |
| stevebake | so the tools are installed in /opt/aws/bin, I assume we shouldn't change that | 20:11 |
| asalkeld | https://github.com/heat-api/heat-cfntools | 20:11 |
| asalkeld | done | 20:11 |
| stevebake | sweet | 20:11 |
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| stevebake | #topic Fedora packaging | 20:12 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Fedora packaging (Meeting topic: heat)" | 20:12 | |
| shardy | stevebake: I think we need to keep that path to keep things the same as the aws cfnbootstrap paths | 20:12 |
| asalkeld | agree | 20:13 |
| stevebake | yep. currently the ubuntu packaging also installs in /usr/bin. Technically that is a bug but I wonder if it should be promoted to a feature | 20:13 |
| asalkeld | we could add softlinks? | 20:13 |
| asalkeld | problem is people with templates with full paths | 20:14 |
| stevebake | it all gets deleted if the package is removed, so it probably doesn't make much difference | 20:14 |
| shardy | stevebake: we really need to keep things compatible with the aws tools, so that eventually we might be able to import/boot an aws AMI or an image with the AWS tools | 20:14 |
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| stevebake | yep, definitely keep aws compatibility | 20:15 |
| asalkeld | good | 20:15 |
| stevebake | http://repos.fedorapeople.org/repos/heat/heat-trunk/ has the packages built from https://github.com/steveb/heat-rpms | 20:16 |
| shardy | stevebake: did you say you were going to automate nightly builds? | 20:16 |
| stevebake | There is some fairly radical changes to https://github.com/steveb/heat-rpms/blob/master/Makefile so I wanted to make sure its all good. | 20:16 |
| stevebake | shardy: That is the aim, yes | 20:17 |
| shardy | Cool | 20:17 |
| asalkeld | I do like that the openstack version seems to work | 20:17 |
| stevebake | their snapshots? | 20:17 |
| asalkeld | 2013.1dev-20121228.fc18.noarch.rpm | 20:18 |
| stevebake | For g-2 we should create a new repo http://repos.fedorapeople.org/repos/heat/heat-grizzly | 20:19 |
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| shardy | has anyone done much testing on grizzly? I'm still mostly running folsom | 20:19 |
| stevebake | and maybe symlink heat-stable to heat-grizzly. | 20:19 |
| stevebake | not packages, but I do everything on devstack | 20:20 |
| shardy | ok, cool, so we have some test exposure then, good :) | 20:20 |
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| asalkeld | me too (devstack) | 20:21 |
| asalkeld | next topic? | 20:21 |
| stevebake | Our repo may need to include python-extras since it is not packaged anywhere | 20:21 |
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| stevebake | #topic Ubuntu packaging | 20:21 |
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| asalkeld | zigo is the dude there | 20:22 |
| asalkeld | stevebake, you probably need to keep in touch with him | 20:22 |
| shardy | asalkeld: what are your thoughts about our release/branch model wrt ceilometers, they branch for each openstack release, but we maintain backwards-compatibility via hacks in the code? | 20:22 |
| shardy | asalkeld: It is worth avoiding any mention of Ubuntu when talking to zigo ;) | 20:23 |
| asalkeld | well, you can branch at any time | 20:23 |
| stevebake | Still no debian uploads visible. zigo is at the mercy of the debian upload process, and ubuntu packaging can't start until it happens | 20:23 |
| asalkeld | as long as you tag the version | 20:23 |
| asalkeld | but making a branch for say, grizzly seems a good idea to me | 20:24 |
| asalkeld | but not g1,g2 etc | 20:24 |
| stevebake | no, one grizzly branch | 20:24 |
| asalkeld | there is probably a best practice on the wiki | 20:25 |
| shardy | asalkeld: Yeah, I'm unsure of the best way to approach it as we're not all running devstack, but it seems like we're getting quite a few conditional kludges in the code, and not sure if a stable branch makes sense or not | 20:25 |
| stevebake | we might do more than one g2 release? for brown-paper-bag or major bugs? | 20:25 |
| asalkeld | stevebake, as I said you can always create a branch later if you need | 20:26 |
| asalkeld | but assume not for starters | 20:26 |
| stevebake | Whatever we do, for incubation the priority is to make it work best on current grizzly. That is what we will be judged on | 20:26 |
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| asalkeld | yip | 20:27 |
| stevebake | ah, one thing we should use branches for is heat-rpms. Definitely do a grizzly branch there | 20:27 |
| asalkeld | the other long term approach to this is to have different drivers for each openstack release | 20:28 |
| stevebake | master heat-rpms will build the nightly packages, grizzly branch will do the stable ones | 20:28 |
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| asalkeld | so have different resources for different major versions | 20:28 |
| stevebake | separately packaged | 20:29 |
| asalkeld | but basically means fail to the python-client | 20:29 |
| asalkeld | sounds good stevebake | 20:29 |
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| stevebake | shardy: once packages are easily consumable, how about changing the openstack script to also install and configure heat? | 20:30 |
| shardy | stevebake: Sounds like a great idea | 20:30 |
| asalkeld | http://wiki.openstack.org/BranchModel?highlight=%28branching%29 | 20:31 |
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| stevebake | and then *finally* we can update the docs with some nice instructions | 20:31 |
| shardy | stevebake: Although I think we want to move away from that script to packstack at some point | 20:31 |
| shardy | for Fedora that is | 20:32 |
| stevebake | yep | 20:32 |
| asalkeld | does packstack do erase? | 20:32 |
| stevebake | #JEOS building | 20:32 |
| stevebake | #topic JEOS building | 20:32 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "JEOS building (Meeting topic: heat)" | 20:32 | |
| shardy | asalkeld: not yet, no | 20:32 |
| shardy | AFAIK that is | 20:32 |
| asalkeld | https://github.com/openstack/glance/branches | 20:32 |
| asalkeld | stable/{folsom, essex, diablo} | 20:33 |
| stevebake | sdake wrote a script to build all the tdl images and upload them to github, and github has now discontinued that uploads feature | 20:33 |
| asalkeld | groan | 20:34 |
| stevebake | We've been given a space on fedorapeople. No backups, no quota. http://fedorapeople.org/groups/heat/ | 20:34 |
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| stevebake | we could use that as our prebuilt images repo | 20:35 |
| asalkeld | yea | 20:35 |
| shardy | asalkeld: that's basically what I was getting at when I said branching earlier, but not sure if the backport effort is justified for us yet | 20:36 |
| stevebake | It seems like as good a place as any | 20:36 |
| asalkeld | so what is missing from the fedora ami's | 20:36 |
| shardy | stevebake: Sounds good, lack of access to that github repo has been a pain so good to have somewhere we can all access | 20:36 |
| asalkeld | and http://uec-images.ubuntu.com/quantal/current/ | 20:37 |
| asalkeld | just the cfntools? | 20:37 |
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| shardy | asalkeld: do those images have cloud-init? | 20:38 |
| asalkeld | I would assume so | 20:39 |
| asalkeld | they are built for amazon | 20:39 |
| shardy | I guess we need to do some testing with the new packaged heat-cfntools and see if it works | 20:39 |
| asalkeld | but I don't know for certain | 20:39 |
| asalkeld | yea, it would be nice not to need this image building at all | 20:39 |
| stevebake | once I get some images uploaded somewhere I'll put out the call for testing | 20:39 |
| stevebake | asalkeld: are you suggesting modifying heat templates to install heat-cfntools package? | 20:40 |
| asalkeld | yea (or do it in the background) | 20:41 |
| asalkeld | if it is easy to do, it would make life easier | 20:42 |
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| stevebake | I'd like image building to be so easy, everyone has customised images with their own pre-loaded packages | 20:42 |
| asalkeld | stevebake, prehaps but others just want a jeos | 20:43 |
| asalkeld | and it's silly re-making what already exists | 20:43 |
| stevebake | so how would doing it in the background work? | 20:44 |
| shardy | just inject it via nova user-data for cloud-init | 20:44 |
| asalkeld | well if we can insert a cloud-init script to call rpm install | 20:44 |
| asalkeld | that runs before userdata | 20:44 |
| asalkeld | seems easy enough | 20:45 |
| asalkeld | I hate image building | 20:45 |
| asalkeld | seldom works for me | 20:45 |
| stevebake | #action investigate injecting heat-cfntools install during cloud-init | 20:45 |
| asalkeld | to me it's a barrier to adoption | 20:46 |
| asalkeld | serious users will want their own images | 20:46 |
| stevebake | yeah, although up to date downloadable images would help | 20:46 |
| asalkeld | yip | 20:47 |
| stevebake | In our tdls, there is this: | 20:47 |
| stevebake | yum -y update fedora-release | 20:47 |
| stevebake | is that really required? | 20:47 |
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| asalkeld | not sure | 20:47 |
| asalkeld | steve said at some point yum update was misbehaving | 20:48 |
| asalkeld | and needed 2 stages | 20:48 |
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| stevebake | oh, ok. The TDL spec has specific support for repos and packages, I was hoping to use that instead of <command/> blocks | 20:49 |
| stevebake | #topic Grizzly-2 release | 20:50 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Grizzly-2 release (Meeting topic: heat)" | 20:50 | |
| stevebake | Its on the 10th | 20:51 |
| asalkeld | that is soon | 20:51 |
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| shardy | I started getting the functional tests going today, so we can potentially use them to help automate the pre-release testing | 20:52 |
| stevebake | https://launchpad.net/heat/+milestone/grizzly-2 | 20:52 |
| shardy | Anyone aware of any reasons why we shouldn't release next week? | 20:52 |
| asalkeld | no, all looks good | 20:53 |
| shardy | everything looking fairly OK to me too | 20:53 |
| asalkeld | I have a blueprint there | 20:53 |
| stevebake | nope, we've been focused on stability for a while | 20:53 |
| stevebake | asalkeld: want to push it to g-3? | 20:53 |
| asalkeld | I might just move that to g3 | 20:53 |
| asalkeld | ya | 20:54 |
| asalkeld | done | 20:54 |
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| stevebake | if ttx is around we could find out what the release will involve | 20:55 |
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| shardy | 1083613 looks like notabug based on ppetits comment | 20:55 |
| stevebake | close it I guess | 20:56 |
| asalkeld | yip | 20:56 |
| shardy | done, and cleared the milestone | 20:56 |
| asalkeld | we have 4 mins left | 20:56 |
| stevebake | #topic general discussion | 20:56 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "general discussion (Meeting topic: heat)" | 20:57 | |
| asalkeld | nothing from me | 20:57 |
| shadower | fyi, my FOSDEM talk has been accepted so I'll be showing Heat there | 20:57 |
| shardy | Do we need a release manager to turn the handle on the release like previously? | 20:57 |
| asalkeld | nice | 20:57 |
| shardy | I can do it if so, think it's probably my turn | 20:57 |
| asalkeld | probably | 20:57 |
| stevebake | oh, and I'm co-presenting with Angus at LCA | 20:57 |
| asalkeld | sounds good shardy | 20:58 |
| shardy | shadower: sounds good | 20:58 |
| asalkeld | yea, stevebake we need to schedule some time for that | 20:58 |
| asalkeld | (prep) | 20:58 |
| stevebake | shardy: does that mean packaging as well? we need to check that you can build and push to the new repos | 20:58 |
| stevebake | asalkeld: hell yes | 20:59 |
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| shardy | stevebake: perhaps we can sort the packaging between us, and I'll coordinate the testing and any other tasks? | 20:59 |
| stevebake | shardy: sounds good | 20:59 |
| shardy | http://wiki.openstack.org/Heat/ReleaseProcess | 20:59 |
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| asalkeld | need to make sure that is the same as other projects | 21:00 |
| jd__ | hi guys | 21:00 |
| stevebake | as the first incubation release, the new process may be very different | 21:00 |
| stevebake | #endmeeting | 21:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jan 2 21:01:10 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2013/heat.2013-01-02-20.00.html | 21:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2013/heat.2013-01-02-20.00.txt | 21:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2013/heat.2013-01-02-20.00.log.html | 21:01 |
| asalkeld | hi jd__ | 21:01 |
| jd__ | hehe thanks stevebake | 21:01 |
| jd__ | #startmeeting | 21:01 |
| jd__ | #meetingname Ceilometer | 21:01 |
| jd__ | #link http://wiki.openstack.org/Meetings/MeteringAgenda | 21:01 |
| jd__ | ATTENTION: please keep discussion focused on topic until we reach the open discussion topic | 21:01 |
| openstack | jd__: Error: A meeting name is required, e.g., '#startmeeting Marketing Committee' | 21:01 |
| jd__ | Hello everyone! Show of hands, who is around for the ceilometer meeting? | 21:01 |
| asalkeld | here | 21:01 |
| jd__ | #startmeeting Ceilometer | 21:01 |
| n0ano | here | 21:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jan 2 21:01:54 2013 UTC. The chair is jd__. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Ceilometer)" | 21:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ceilometer' | 21:01 |
| dhellmann | o/ | 21:01 |
| jd__ | #link http://wiki.openstack.org/Meetings/MeteringAgenda | 21:02 |
| eglynn | o/ | 21:02 |
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| jd__ | #topic dhellmann experiment with passing arrays of parameters to WSME for queries | 21:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "dhellmann experiment with passing arrays of parameters to WSME for queries (Meeting topic: Ceilometer)" | 21:02 | |
| dhellmann | #link https://github.com/dhellmann/wsme-experimentation | 21:02 |
| dhellmann | tl; dr: we don't need indexes on array arguments | 21:02 |
| jd__ | did it explode? | 21:02 |
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| dhellmann | that repo has a sample client file showing a few different forms | 21:02 |
| dhellmann | that work and don't work | 21:03 |
| jd__ | okay | 21:03 |
| dhellmann | and I pasted the output in the README for reference during the meeting | 21:03 |
| jd__ | ok | 21:04 |
| jd__ | I'm moving on then :) | 21:04 |
| dhellmann | ok | 21:04 |
| eglynn | the indices always seemed a little unnatural to me, this looks a lot cleaner | 21:04 |
| jd__ | #topic llu-laptop to report agreement result to wiki page | 21:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "llu-laptop to report agreement result to wiki page (Meeting topic: Ceilometer)" | 21:05 | |
| jd__ | llu: around? | 21:05 |
| asalkeld | eglynn, what about : input.0.left | 21:05 |
| eglynn | asalkeld: in what sense? | 21:05 |
| jd__ | #action llu to report agreement result to wiki page http://wiki.openstack.org/Ceilometer/CeilometerAndHealthnmon | 21:06 |
| jd__ | I report | 21:06 |
| asalkeld | instead of input[0].left | 21:06 |
| eglynn | asalkeld: a-ha, I see | 21:06 |
| jd__ | I guess since nijaba isn't here I'm going to report all of his stuff too | 21:06 |
| jd__ | #action nijaba to get in touch with the healthmon team to see what their reaction is to our plan for integration | 21:06 |
| eglynn | asalkeld: sorry, I'm a bit slow this evening ... | 21:06 |
| jd__ | #action nijaba to find out if EmilienM wishes to commit on https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ceilometer/+spec/api-aggregate-average | 21:06 |
| jd__ | #action nijaba to send an email to openstack-dev listing the orphan bps | 21:07 |
| eglynn | asalkeld: yeah, that's less intrusive that full indexing | 21:07 |
| jd__ | #action nijaba to add bp skeleton to remind ourselves to implement higher level tests for db backends | 21:07 |
| jd__ | #topic API v2 proposal review http://wiki.openstack.org/Ceilometer/blueprints/APIv2 | 21:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "API v2 proposal review http://wiki.openstack.org/Ceilometer/blueprints/APIv2 (Meeting topic: Ceilometer)" | 21:07 | |
| jd__ | I guess that's rejoin the topic you're discussing | 21:07 |
| dhellmann | I'm ready to start implementing that new API, if we've agreed on what it should look like. | 21:07 |
| jd__ | s/'s// | 21:07 |
| asalkeld | dhellmann, I have started | 21:08 |
| dhellmann | asalkeld: cool | 21:08 |
| asalkeld | just was blocking on the array stuff | 21:08 |
| asalkeld | but I got pulled into some clustering bug | 21:08 |
| dhellmann | asalkeld: that's in the tip version of WSME, so make sure you install from source | 21:08 |
| dhellmann | #action dhellmann to talk to WSME author about packaging a release | 21:08 |
| asalkeld | so if I can't attack it in the next day I'll post what I have | 21:09 |
| dhellmann | asalkeld: sounds good | 21:09 |
| asalkeld | so is everyone happy with that api? | 21:10 |
| eglynn | can our CI running against the WSME tip, or just the last packaged version? | 21:10 |
| dhellmann | eglynn: it can use the tip (we have an hg url in the test-requires, IIRC) | 21:10 |
| eglynn | test-requires can include a dependency on a particular commit hash, right? | 21:10 |
| eglynn | a-ha, yep, I remember that now ... | 21:10 |
| jd__ | API seems ok to me | 21:11 |
| dhellmann | asalkeld: I'm happy enough to keep going with implementation. We may want to tweak as we go, but I don't have any specific objections. | 21:11 |
| asalkeld | see the "Unresolved issues" | 21:11 |
| dhellmann | well, aside from the things I've already noted in the wiki page and we've said we would leave for later | 21:11 |
| asalkeld | ok | 21:12 |
| dhellmann | how much have you needed to change the db api so far? | 21:12 |
| asalkeld | not much yet | 21:13 |
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| asalkeld | but early stages | 21:13 |
| dhellmann | ok | 21:13 |
| asalkeld | I'll get stuck in and share with you | 21:13 |
| asalkeld | taking a while to get back up to speed | 21:13 |
| asalkeld | to much eggnog:) | 21:14 |
| * dhellmann needed 3 days to remember what his job was after his vacation | 21:14 | |
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| jd__ | good you remembered you had a job already | 21:15 |
| asalkeld | jd__, we can probably move on. | 21:15 |
| jd__ | #topic open discussion | 21:15 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open discussion (Meeting topic: Ceilometer)" | 21:15 | |
| eglynn | how are we fixed for the bug squashing day? | 21:16 |
| * eglynn hasn't triaged the bug queue as yet ... | 21:16 | |
| jd__ | nijaba triaged a lot of bugs already | 21:16 |
| dhellmann | have we had anyone express interest in participating outside of the existing team? | 21:16 |
| eglynn | great! | 21:16 |
| jd__ | and I'll do it too tomorrow | 21:16 |
| jd__ | dhellmann: not that I am aware of | 21:17 |
| asalkeld | so it's on friday (saturday my time)? | 21:17 |
| jd__ | asalkeld: yup | 21:17 |
| eglynn | have we an agreed low-hanging-fruit tag? | 21:17 |
| jd__ | eglynn: there's t-shirt size tags on bugs | 21:17 |
| dhellmann | is nijaba using effort-s for that easy? | 21:17 |
| eglynn | jd__: cool, even better | 21:17 |
| jd__ | yep effort-s it is | 21:17 |
| eglynn | sounds good | 21:17 |
| jd__ | anything else? | 21:18 |
| dhellmann | has anyone had a chance to look at the changes I posted to the way timestamps are handled in the v2 api? | 21:19 |
| jd__ | dhellmann: tomorrow I will | 21:19 |
| dhellmann | asalkeld, you may want to roll that into what you're doing already | 21:19 |
| dhellmann | ok, thanks | 21:19 |
| asalkeld | I'll look | 21:19 |
| * jd__ is sick, and therefore, slow | 21:20 | |
| dhellmann | what's the plan for friday as far as coordinating? are we going to try to have someone online "all day" to help newcomers, or are we assuming it's going to just be us and follow the usual work procedures? | 21:20 |
| eglynn | dehellmann: we could divide the TZs between us | 21:20 |
| eglynn | dhellmann: ^^^ | 21:21 |
| jd__ | I'll be online most of my CET daytime, and we'll see | 21:21 |
| jd__ | if other TZ can be around, that'd be good | 21:21 |
| dhellmann | I may focus on afternoon, then | 21:21 |
| eglynn | I'll be online for all day GMT also | 21:21 |
| dhellmann | we're supposed to be going out looking for new office space that day, so I was going to carve out a chunk of time to be on irc for the bug day | 21:21 |
| dhellmann | it sounds like we have "early" in my day covered pretty well | 21:22 |
| jd__ | I don't think we're going to be overwhelmed | 21:22 |
| dhellmann | no, I agree | 21:22 |
| eglynn | yep | 21:22 |
| jd__ | dhellmann: yes, your afternoon would be great indeed | 21:22 |
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| dhellmann | ok, I'll plan on that, then | 21:23 |
| jd__ | we'll cover the dawn | 21:23 |
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| jd__ | anything else? | 21:24 |
| asalkeld | nope, all good | 21:24 |
| dhellmann | that's it for me | 21:25 |
| eglynn | me too | 21:25 |
| jd__ | #endmeeting | 21:25 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jan 2 21:25:11 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:25 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ceilometer/2013/ceilometer.2013-01-02-21.01.html | 21:25 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ceilometer/2013/ceilometer.2013-01-02-21.01.txt | 21:25 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ceilometer/2013/ceilometer.2013-01-02-21.01.log.html | 21:25 |
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| jd__ | thanks guys! | 21:25 |
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