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gongyshlong time no see20:58
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emaganahello all!20:59
danwenthi folks21:00
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danwentmuch less exciting to be doing a meeting from my desk, rather than from a plane :)21:00
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danwent#startmeeting quantum21:00
openstackMeeting started Mon Jan  7 21:00:42 2013 UTC.  The chair is danwent. Information about MeetBot at
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.21:00
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SumitNaiksatamGreetings to all for the new year!21:00
openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'quantum'21:00
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danwent#link agenda:
danwent#topic announcements21:01
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danwent#info many thanks to gongysh for all of this work answering questions on .  I'd encourage everyone to subscribe to notifications and help out21:01
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danwent#info grizzly-2 branch point is tomorrow21:02
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danwentall feature code for G-2 must be merged at that point.  beyond that time, only 'critical' or 'high' bugs will be backported for the G-2 release21:02
danwent#info heads up that the next folsom stable release will be end of january21:02
danwent#info devstack gate for quantum is currently broken due to webob version conflict with other projects.  we believe this patch (already approved) will fix it:
danwent(we are still waiting on gating to merge it, and confirm that things are fixed)21:03
emaganadanwent: Any "new features"/plugins will NOT be accepted after that?21:03
danwentany other annoncements?21:04
danwentemagana: this is only with respect to going into the "G-2 release"21:04
danwentnot grizzly as a whole (if that is your question)21:04
danwentG-2 is frozen tuesday, and released on thursday21:04
danwentonce G-2 is frozen and branch, G-3 opens up.21:04
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emaganadanwent: got it! I misunderstood you. Thanks21:05
mlavalledanwent: I did some devstack testing this weekend and it failed with webob 1.2.321:05
danwentmlavalle: yes, that is what the above patch is supposed to address21:05
danwent#topic grizzly-2 milestone release21:05
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danwentok, main goal for this meeting is to make sure we can close out the several patches we still have in review for G-2 by tomorrow21:06
danwentare we waiting on merge of quota change first?
markmcclainyes… just pushed a bunch of cleanup changes21:06
danwentmain review is here:
markmcclainno.. we can do it after21:06
markmcclainthe quota ext makes a slight change that we can handle as a migration21:07
danwentmarkmcclain: ok.21:07
salv-orlandoI approved 19039… did I do wrong?21:07
danwentmarkmcclain: so my understanding is that we are good to merge on the patch, thoughs salv-orlando is going to finish his testing before we merge.21:07
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markmcclainsalv-orlando: 1903921:07
markmcclainis fine to merge21:07
salv-orlandook, thanks21:08
markmcclainwe just should backport it stable21:08
markmcclainsorry *should not*21:08
salv-orlandoIf everything goes according to plan we can merge db upgrades in a few hours21:08
salv-orlandoI am rebasing my patch with db changes on top of it already21:08
danwentsalv-orlando: and we know how everything tends to go according to plan :P21:08
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markmcclainI also updated instructions how to init migrations with a folsom db21:08
salv-orlandoNo this time it's true :) - thanks to what mark said above ^ ^21:09
gongyshone question about db migration, why not use the tech the same as nova?21:09
danwentgongysh: i believe this is discussed in the spec21:09
markmcclaingongysh: we need the ability to control the order of migrations a little more than what sqlalchemy allows21:09
markmcclainsorry sqlalchemy-migrations21:10
gongyshok, got it.21:10
danwentnext up.  nati_ueno
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nati_uenodanwent: I got +1 from gary, akihiro, yong21:11
danwentnati_ueno: are we still dealing with the issue of the noopfirewalldirver on nova?21:11
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nati_uenodanwent: It is not related with linuxbridge one21:11
danwentnati_ueno: ok21:12
nati_uenodanwent: I'm not sure why, but it occurs with ovs only21:12
danwenthere is reivew:
danwenti think its because existing bridge with quantum does not use type="bridge" ?21:12
danwent(unless that changed recently)21:12
gongyshI can enable the nova firewall driver with linux bridge vif driver.21:12
gongyshI think at least we have to doc it.21:13
nati_uenogongysh: Yes I agree21:13
danwentbasically, this happens if you use LibvirtBridgeDriver or any driver that derives from it, including OVS hybrid driver21:13
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danwentbut will not happen with QuantumLinuxBridgeVIFDriver(21:14
danwentanyway, this is a detail, so back to the main patch21:14
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danwentnati_ueno: so you +1's, but not +2s?21:14
nati_uenodanwent: Akihiro was +221:15
amotokiLibvirtBridgeDriver expects libvirt Iptables Driver, that is the reason of the issue.21:15
gongyshdanwent, I can change my score to +2, if gate test passes.21:15
nati_uenogongysh: Gating failure is because of webob version, so it is not related this patch.21:15
danwentok… hopefully by end of meeting the gate will have run to merge the webob change, at which point we would need to rebase21:15
gongyshnati_ueno told me not to approve patches if ...21:16
amotokidanwent: secgroup patch conflicts with aaron's patch.21:16
nati_uenogongysh: Yes you are right. lets wait. sorry21:16
amotokidanwent: we need to determine which is merged first21:16
nati_uenoamotoki: I agree21:16
danwentnati_ueno: linux bridge patch is ranked higher, so I don't want to jeopardize that merging in G-221:17
danwentamotoki: how significant are the conflicts?21:17
amotokieither one can be merged first.21:17
danwent#info expect db-migration patch to merge today21:18
danwentarosen1: are you oke with merging linux bridge stuff first?21:18
danwentis there a dependency between db-migration patch and security groups?  I imagine security groups patch does not already include db migration code?21:19
nati_uenoAh That's could be21:19
gongyshI think most challenging is db-migration patch to nati_ueno's patch.21:19
arosen1danwent:  sure it's an easy fix to update it.21:19
markmcclainthere is, but I'll SG migration21:19
danwentarosen1: thanks.  ok, we will merge linux birdge first.21:19
danwentmarkmcclain: in main patch, or afterward?21:19
arosen1I'll rebase on nachi's patch in that case.21:20
nati_uenoarosen1: Thanks!21:20
markmcclaindepending on which lands first21:20
danwentmarkmcclain: ok21:20
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danwentok, so, sounds liek there are no outstanding concerns with SG patch?21:20
danwentgongysh: are you still planning on waiting until gate passes?  that will require a base on webob patch, i believe21:21
gongyshso db-migration first or sg patch first?21:21
gongyshno, I don't need to wait.21:21
danwentgongysh: sounds like either is OK.  mark will add the DB migrations to his patch or as a separate patch later21:22
danwentok, so can we just merge it now then?21:22
danwentfire away :)21:22
nati_uenoAh.. that was long way..21:22
danwent#info plan is to merge bridge security groups patch now.  will rebase nvp security groups patch on top.  markmcclain will add db migration for SG to his patch.21:23
danwentphew :)21:23
danwentok, next up, salv-orlando
danwentsalv-orlando: i think we're good to go here, once you add the migrations?21:23
salv-orlandoI think there's no other reason for concern21:23
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danwentgaryk and I have both been +221:23
garykdanwent: salv-orlando : i can +2 now. it lloks good to me21:24
danwentsalv-orlando: ETA on that repush?21:24
salv-orlandoI need a couple of hours, so it will be in garyk's REM phase21:24
danwentsalv-orlando: i'm just worried, as garyk goes offline21:24
salv-orlandobut perhaps I can get a +2 from him tomorrow morning21:24
salv-orlandoit's still in time for making it into G-221:24
danwentok, so plan on pushing later today, and garyk +2's in teh morning?21:24
garyksalv-orlando: i will check it first thing in the morning21:24
danwentsalv-orlando: yes, things can merge on tuesday21:24
salv-orlandook, thanks21:25
nati_uenoFYI jeblairReminder: jenkins is offline for an emergency security-related upgrade, ETA in a few hours.21:25
emaganasalv-orlando: I just got back from vacations but I can do the review today.21:25
danwent#info service-id is done.  salv-orlando is adding db migration.  danwent and garyk to re-review.  should merge tuesday morning21:25
danwentemagana: things, though I think review on this is pretty much done expect for new db migration21:25
danwentnext up, lbaas crud21:26
emaganadanwent: ok21:26
danwentsthakkar is proxying for leon21:26
danwentlooks like leon responded to mark's comment:
sthakkarso i think there are a couple small issues21:26
sthakkarregarding unit tests that need to be cleaned up21:26
danwentthere's a -1, but its more of a style think from avishay21:26
danwentcommit message definitely needs to be updated21:26
enikanorovone more thing: Leon needs to make folder names consistent21:27
sthakkarother than that we are looking okay. two things to do: clean up style & tests21:27
enikanorovthere are lb and loadbalancer21:27
sthakkarenikanorov: ok will mention that as well21:27
danwentenikanorov: yeah, i agree21:27
enikanorovi've already made this comment21:27
danwentok, any other outstanding concerns?21:27
enikanorovhome Leon will fix that21:27
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danwentsthakkar: when is leon online (he's based on china, right?)21:28
sthakkardanwent: yep, around 4pm pst21:28
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gongyshleon is based on chain?21:28
danwentsthakkar: ok, can we have him update those style issues first thing his time, so people here can ideally approve by end of day monday?21:28
danwentgongysh: yeah, sthakkar should know exactly where21:29
gongyshIf he is, I will work closely with him.21:29
sthakkardanwent: yes, i think that should be fine. we'll make that happen21:29
danwentsthakkar: ok, great.  and the two core devs on this are salv-orlando and markmcclain ?21:29
salv-orlandoI am core dev on Leon's patch, yes21:29
danwentwith lots of great reviews from the marantis folks as well :)21:30
gongyshsthakkar: can u tell me something about leon?21:30
sthakkargongysh: perfect, that'd be great. he's based out of beijing21:30
danwentok, so those are the four critical or high blueprints for G-221:30
danwentthat should be the focus for us in the next two days.21:30
danwent#info lbaas crud expected to merge late monday or early tuesday (US)21:31
danwent#info currently there are no 'critical' or 'high' bugs targeted for G-221:31
danwentif something arises, please bring it to the attention of the entire core team21:31
danwentwe also have some untriaged bugs that I am working through:
danwentif you see something on this list that corresponds to your sub-team, please jump in and triage it yourself.21:32
danwentAnything else for G-2 before we move on to talking about stable?21:32
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danwent#topic quantum stable21:33
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danwentgaryk, doing a fantastic job on this as always, thanks for the email to the core team21:33
danwentanything to add here?21:33
garykdanwent: thanks21:33
danwenthere is the list of current stable reviews garyk sent out:21:33
danwent - validity checks for gateway on subnet21:33
danwent - exception cleanup21:33
danwent - ensure allocation pools are deleted21:33
danwent - fix exception output (I need to write a test case on master - i do not think this should prevent it)21:34
danwent - atomic access to databases21:34
garykdanwent: a bit of karma to those will help21:34
danwentgaryk: have they finalized date for folsom/stable release at end of jan?21:34
garykdanwent: it is at the end of the month as far as i know21:34
danwentgaryk: something specific about that last review, or just adding it to the list?21:35
danwenteveryone on the core team should make sure they knock of a few stable reviews during their review day21:35
garykdanwent: just adding it to the list. the backport here was a bit challenging due to major code changes21:35
danwentgaryk: yeah, agreed.  my feeling is that the further away we get from a release, the higher the bar is for something to be backported, since the cost goes up.21:36
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markmcclain+1 to that21:36
danwentok, anything else on stable?21:36
danwent#topic quantum tempest21:37
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danwentmlavalle: any updates?21:37
danwentlooks like we're now focusing on the two blueprint21:37
danwentany update from the tempest team meeting last week?21:37
mlavalledanwent: I sent a message to the ML with the inventory of all the BP's21:37
danwent(only needed if its relevant to the quantum team)21:38
danwentmlavalle: yup, thanks.21:38
nati_uenoJay cleanups some bps.21:38
mlavalleJay approved my two BP's21:38
mlavalleworking on them now21:38
danwentok, anything else on tempest?21:38
nati_uenomlavalle: My team guy is working on refactoring quantum tempest code. Let's talk later21:38
danwentnachi, i +2'd your patch to get temptest + devstack gating21:38
nati_uenodanwent: Thanks21:39
danwentwe've waited long enough to hear about any "style" concerns in my opinion :)21:39
nati_uenodanwent: ha ha Yes true21:39
danwent#topic quantum horizon21:39
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danwentamotoki + nati_ueno, looks like you both made good progress here.21:39
danwent#info (in review, expected for G-2:
nati_uenogaryk: Could you take a look 18665. if this one is merged gating will works21:40
danwent#info (moved to G-3)21:40
garyknati_ueno: sure21:40
nati_uenogaryk: Thanks!21:40
danwent#info (in review, promising for G-2:
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danwentsounds like gabriel thinks both fo the G-2 items will still make it, which is great21:40
danwentanything else on horizon + quantum?21:40
nati_uenoI have addressed concerns from Akihiro and Gabriel in latest patch21:41
amotokinati_ueno: thanks. will check soon.21:41
danwent#topic open discussion21:41
nati_uenoamotoki: Thanks!21:41
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mnewbyCan anyone tell me why the xcp+ovs patch is languishing?21:41
danwentok, i skipped the docs section before, in the interest of time.  only open issue that is 'high' is
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1088304 in openstack-manuals "quantum security group doc is confusing when it comes to use nova security group features" [High,In progress]21:41
danwentmnewby: i owe you a review on that as a thank you for the tempest work.21:42
danwentmnewby: but in general, when there is plugin work for a particular platform that people aren't all that familiar with and probably don't have a test setup for, getting reviews is much harder21:42
danwentmnewby: i find barter to be the best approach :)21:43
mnewbydanwent: My concern is that this is testable in two ways21:43
mnewbymnewby: verifying that libvirt support still works - easy21:43
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mnewbyoops, haha21:43
mnewbydanwent: verifying xcp is supported - easy, too, since people like John Garbutt of citrix have signed off on the changes as working21:43
danwentanyone else want to volunteer?21:43
mnewbydanwent: I even went as far as documenting the steps taken to verify xcp support, and still no +2s from core.21:44
danwentok, if our main goal is making sure the code looks reasonable, and that it doesn't break existing stuff, that seems pretty easy.21:44
mnewbydanwent: I understand the horse-trading aspect, but it's been almost 2 months.21:44
danwentok, on a related note, I expect a lot of people to be pushing new plugins for new platforms soon21:45
gongyshmnewby: where is the document, can I have a look?21:45
danwenti have been encouraging people to add a link to their code on the main quantum wiki, where it talks about plugins that are out of tree21:45
danwentas a first step, so the quantum team can look at the code and provide high-level suggestions.21:46
danwentthen the trick will be to find someone on the core team willing to maintain that plugin.21:46
danwentto ease the maintenance burden, i'm encouraging people to keep their plugins small and simple to start, until they have someone from their team contributing actively to the community.21:47
danwentthere isn't really a decision we need to make today, this is more of just a heads up.  I expect a flood of additional plugin in G-3, and not enough cycles from the core team to handle them all.21:47
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mnewbydanwent: That suggests that such plugins should not be maintained by core.21:47
mnewbydanwent: A stable api might be preferable.21:48
danwentso if you're planning on contributing one, your best bet is to keep it simple, and to contribute to the community, so someone on the core team will decide its worth maintaining.21:48
mnewby(plugin api that is)21:48
gongyshI am feeling the plugins give us too burden to develop new features21:48
danwentmnewby: yes, that is the default position for all such plugins21:48
mnewbydanwent: cool21:48
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danwentok, any other open discussion?21:49
alexpilottiHi guys, talking about plugins21:49
emaganamnewby: +121:49
alexpilottigaryk helped a lot in reviewing the initial HyperV plugin21:49
danwentgongysh: yes, i understand.  its a balance we need to draw as a team.21:50
alexpilottiI was wondering if there is any chance to get it approved in the next days21:50
danwentgongysh: but adding new plugins can add new horsepower to the community as well, if it coaxes people to be more involved in community aspects.21:50
danwentalexpilotti: top reviewing focus for the next two days is in G-2 slotted items.21:51
danwentalexpilotti: is there a particular reason why merging is urgent?21:51
emaganaalexpilotti: Is a wiki explaining the process to test it?21:51
danwentalexpilotti: or rather, more urgent than anyone else's urgent requests for reviews :)21:51
alexpilottidanwent: the only reason is that we would like to send in also the NVGRE tunnel support afterwards21:52
rkukuraInitial patchset for the ML2 plugin should show up in the next week or two, so we can eventually look at much smaller/simpler drivers (with stable API) rather than full-fledged plugins21:52
alexpilottidanwent: of course it's not importat to be G221:52
nati_uenorkukura: What's ML2 plugin?21:52
salv-orlandoalexpilotti: you can stack patches on top of each other, no need for waiting for us sloths to review your patch :)21:53
danwentalexpilotti: ok, i would focus on identifying the core devs that will help you with the review and merge, in which case, it should merge quickly.21:53
salv-orlandoI can be one core - I think we're on the same time zone21:53
gongyshI hope we can have a wait for rkukura's ML2 plugin, which allows coreplugin to driver multiple drivers at the same time.21:53
danwentalexpilotti: remember that before this can merge, you need to get a core maintainer for the plugin.21:53
nati_uenorkukura: I got it21:53
gongyshso one quantum server can servers multiple L2 agents.21:54
danwentalexpilotti: and that maintainer should send a note to the core team explaining why they think adding the plugin to the core repo is a good idea.21:54
alexpilottidanwent: ok, from what I remember in a conversation we had21:54
alexpilottithat somebody from our team could do that task21:55
alexpilottior is this something that happens afterwards?21:55
emaganaalexpilotti: Provide instructions for testing will be great as well21:55
alexpilottiemagana: will do!21:56
danwentalexpilotti: at some point in the future, hopefully someone from your team can do that.21:56
alexpilottidanwent: not belonging to the Quantum core reviewers of course!21:56
danwentalexpilotti: in the mean time, you can hopefully convince an existing core dev that they can work with this person before they are a core.21:56
emaganaalexpilotti: As Dan mentioned before, adding a link to the specific plugin wiki in the main quantum wiki21:56
alexpilottiemagana: ok, tx. Do you have a link at hand?21:57
danwentalexpilotti: if you keep the plugin simple to start, and provide obvious value (i would argue hyper-v does), then convincing a core dev to do this shouldn't be too hard.21:57
danwentok, let's take this discussion offline, so we can wrap up ontime.21:57
danwentanything else, before we close?21:57
alexpilottidanwent: ok tx!21:57
sharisBrocade has a q-plugin and currently located at an external git site http://github/brocade/brocade - seeking help from code devs to review in order to push into quantum. Please send me email at
danwentok, thanks folks.  let's close up G-2!21:58
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garykthanks and good night21:58
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alexpilottitx guys!21:58
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markvoelkernight folks21:58
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danwentgaryk: good night :)21:59
mlavalleHave a nice week you all!22:00
garykdanwent: have a good one22:00
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