Wednesday, 2013-03-13

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avishaymeeting time?15:02
kmartinwe just had daylight savings time in CA, we might be meeting in a hour from now?15:04
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thingeeoh right15:05
kmartinavishay: you have to stay up another hour15:06
avishaykmartin: it's only 5PM :P15:06
kmartinoh, we'll you need to work another hour then :)15:06
avishaybut my call that's usually at 6PM shows up at 5PM on my work calendar...this is confusing15:06
avishaylet's just do it now ;)15:07
avishaywinston-d: seems like daylight savings time - meeting will be in an hour15:08
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winston-disn't daylight make the meeting one hour earlier than usual?15:09
avishaywinston-d: that's what we all seemed to think as well...i don't know15:09
avishaykmartin: ?15:09
kmartinwe move the clocks forward 1 hour15:10
kmartinthe openstack meetings are based off GMT, so I think it will be in 1 hour from now15:11
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avishayi thought it was based on US time15:13
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winston-dah, that explains why. thx kmartin15:14
kmartinI can go get breakfast now :)15:14
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avishaykmartin: enjoy :)15:16
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jgriffith#startmeeting cinder16:01
openstackMeeting started Wed Mar 13 16:01:56 2013 UTC.  The chair is jgriffith. Information about MeetBot at
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.16:01
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: cinder)"16:01
openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'cinder'16:02
jgriffithfull house :)16:02
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jgriffithHey everyone16:02
jgriffithlet's get started should be easy meeting today16:02
jgriffith#topic RC1 status16:02
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jgriffithI'd like to cut RC1 tomorrow morning16:03
jgriffithI think we're in fairly good shape16:03
jgriffithand there's nothing to say more bugs can't/won't come in16:03
jgriffithBut it will make sure that we're a bit more picky on what's a critical bug and what's not16:03
jgriffithHow do folks feel about that?16:03
jgriffithrushiagr: bswartz I think you guys got all of your fixes in yes?16:04
bswartzwill there be RC2/RC3/etc?16:04
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jgriffithbswartz: there will be but it's not an excuse to rewrite code16:04
jgriffithcritical bug fixes only!16:04
jgriffithand by critical I mean release blocking16:05
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bswartzI have one bug which is going to take significant changes to fix -- probalby needs to be targetted to havana not grizzly at this point16:05
jgriffithbswartz: Yeah, I think so16:05
bswartzjgriffith: yeah I'm not planning to push in any big code changes16:05
jgriffithSo the idea is we really move into testing and documentation after we cut RC116:05
jgriffithApril is going to be upon us before we know it16:06
DuncanT1We've very much in test mode now16:06
jgriffithDuncanT1: excellent...16:06
jgriffithDuncanT1: Speaking of....16:06
thingeejgriffith: I think I need to get in touch with james king then. I told him to have the other stuff done on friday16:06
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1087817 in cinder "Update v2 with volume_type_id switch to uuid" [Medium,In progress]16:06
jgriffithEver find your doc on multiple cinder nodes?16:06
jgriffithI'd like to blend that in to the docs16:06
jgriffiththingee: oops... my bad16:06
jgriffiththingee: I can ping him as well, I know you're getting ready to head out16:07
DuncanT1No. I need to redo it for several places though. If you haven't got it before COB Friday, please shout at me16:07
jgriffithDuncanT1: Can take that as you're signing up to do it :)16:07
thingeejgriffith: yeah so about that. it's been moved to tomorrow noon16:08
jgriffith#action DuncanT1 update multiple cinder node install doc16:08
jgriffiththingee: haha16:08
jgriffithhey  virbot WTF?16:08
jgriffithDuncanT1: we don't need no stinking virtbot anyway16:08
thingeejgriffith: I think it's just running slow. it took a while to pull up the info on that bug link I pasted16:09
jgriffithSo does anybody have anything else on RC1 updates?16:09
jgriffithThere's one other nasty bug that I'm going to work on but it will be after RC1 before I get to it16:09
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DuncanT1Everything I've got is python-cinderclient at the moment16:10
jgriffithHere's a fun little exercise, ask to create a volume that 10 Gig w/ your 5 Gig backing store (LVM)16:10
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jgriffithDuncanT1: excellent16:10
jgriffithwould it help if we pushed to PyPi now, and then again when we're ready to release?16:11
thingeejgriffith: it would just error on the manager layer16:11
jgriffithPersonally I've been just installing from master16:11
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jgriffiththingee: ?16:11
jgriffiththingee: ideally16:11
jgriffiththingee: but it's broke16:12
jgriffiththingee: between retries we drop the exception from lvcreate16:12
jgriffithand go about life ignoring the issue16:12
thingeejgriffith: regarding your fun exercise. I always hit that in testing because the volume group is too small.16:12
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avishayjgriffith: I'd like to queue this for discussion please:
jgriffithavishay: how about now16:14
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avishayjgriffith: if queue length is 0...16:14
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jgriffithavishay: what would you like to discuss16:14
avishayjgriffith: winston-d's comment on "Need discussion on whether these capabilities should be added in host_manager"16:15
rushiagrwhat is this login.html link about?16:15
avishayjgriffith: does everyone agree that this should be added?16:15
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jgriffithrushiagr: sorry... wrong info in my clipboard16:16
rushiagrjgriffith: does that mean every driver needs to return a default value?16:16
rushiagrjgriffith: np16:16
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winston-davishay's patch is to add two new capabilities: compression and tiering to host_manager16:16
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xyang_winston-d: what happens if driver don't report on those two capabilities16:16
avishayrushiagr: default is False for both capabilities, if the driver doesn't returnanything16:16
jgriffithmy opinion was yes on compression, not crazy about tiering16:16
jgriffithavishay: but I'm flexible16:17
rushiagravishay: okay16:17
winston-dxyang_ : the default should be False16:17
jgriffithI think I mentioned before that I'm fine with it16:17
avishaydoes anyone have strong feelings either way?16:17
avishayjgriffith: yes you did16:17
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avishayor even not-so-strong feelings? :)16:17
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jgriffithWe've become a much less controversial group over the last few weeks :)16:18
DuncanT1My only worry is getting a flexible enough definition of these capabilities16:18
rushiagrif this doesnt amount to adding a couple of lines in every driver i'm fine16:18
winston-dis 'compression' and 'tiering' well-known feature for a storage solution?16:18
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eharneyis tiering something that we think can be used in a similar fashion across different drivers?16:18
DuncanT1So that we don't end up with many variations on the theme don't end up being needed16:18
xyang_winston-d: they are well known, but we may not expose them.  we may hide them in a pool16:19
avishaycompression is done in several controllers - jgriffith, doesn't solidfire do it as well?16:19
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jgriffithyeah, I think *most* devices do compression these days16:19
avishayxyang_: what do you mean by hiding them in a pool?16:19
jgriffithwhat I'm not sure of is the value/need to expose this information back up16:19
DuncanT1Is it something you want to be exposing to the sysadmin though? i.e. to let end uses choose to avoid it?16:20
guitarzanmaybe I need to read up on the host stuff, but who needs to know whether or not a volume is compressed or not?16:20
xyang_avishay: I mean our driver may not report those capabilities specifically16:20
jgriffithDuncanT1: the sysadmin will hopefully know what the device he installed is capable of already16:20
avishayif you have a volume that's going to be logs, it should be scheduled on a compressed volume.  if it will be binary blobs, compression will waste resources.16:20
jgriffithMy view is that these values are specifically for scheduling purposes16:20
bswartzjgriffith: +116:21
winston-dDuncanT1 : what do you mean by 'flexible enough defintion' ?16:21
DuncanT1jgriffith: You don't know many sysadmins ;-)16:21
jgriffithDuncanT1: haha!16:21
jgriffithSo here's the thing...16:21
jgriffithIf there's some confusion or concerns...16:21
jgriffithI would propose we leave it out, I think we can get what avishay wants here via introducing types specific to these things16:22
jgriffithI don't want to make life harder though and I don't have a real objection/preference on compression16:22
jgriffithI'm just a bit neutral on it16:22
avishayjgriffith: how can you do it via types?16:22
xyang_avishay: the admin can setup gold, silver, bronze pools ahead of time, and each pool is already associated with certain capabilities.16:22
DuncanT1winston-d: I mean that, for example, 'tiering' is a flexible enough term that some other vendor doesn't come along and say 'we do multiple storage media user directable migration levels, which is not tiering the way IBM do it and so we want our own capability adding..."16:23
jgriffithavishay: Just define a type as "logs volume" or whatever16:23
jgriffithavishay: and with knowledge of the capabilities set that up to point to the correct backend16:23
guitarzanbackends are tied to a type16:23
kmartinxyang_: +1 that is how we are going to handle this16:23
jgriffithavishay: or are you saying this would allow you to *set* compression on your device on a per volume basis?16:23
avishayjgriffith: and then the admin has to manually say which backends support what16:23
xyang_kmartin: good16:24
winston-din fact, even these capabilities are not part of host state (e.g avishay failed to get them in)  it's still part of capabilties of a host if driver reports them.16:24
jgriffithavishay: yes, not overly elegant but it's an interm solution that works16:24
jgriffithwinston-d: good point16:24
jgriffithwinston-d: So then customer filters can still be written16:24
avishayjgriffith: no, the point is for the driver to automatically report capabilities and for the scheduler to know about them, so that admins don't have to configure properties for each pool manually16:24
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jgriffithavishay: ok, that's what I thought you meant, thanks for clarifying.16:25
winston-djgriffith : that's the beauty of filter scheduler. :)16:25
jgriffithavishay: I wanted to make sure I wasn't missing something16:25
jgriffithwinston-d: +116:25
avishaywinston-d: but the capability filter scheduler only looks at things in host state, right?  maybe that's the problem?16:25
winston-davishay : no, it also looks at capabilities of a host16:26
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avishaywinston-d: self._satisfies_extra_specs(host_state.capabilities, resource_type)16:27
xyang_winston-d: with the mutli-backend support, does "host" mean a cinder-volume service now?16:27
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winston-dxyang_ : you are right16:27
winston-davishay : exactly, host_state.capabilities16:27
avishaywinston-d: so if something isn't added, it's ignored, which is why i wanted to add these two items16:28
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guitarzanI think we need to figure out what purpose we think volume types are supposed to serve16:29
winston-davishay : no, see line 112 of  capabilities reported by driver are copied to host_state.capabilities.16:29
bswartzguitarzan: we've been over that a number of times16:29
* jgriffith sees a rathole in our future ;)16:29
bswartzI wish there was a nice document explaining the conclusions of these multiple conversations16:30
guitarzanbswartz: I know, but it doesn't seem to be resolved16:30
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jgriffithbswartz: you could write one :)16:30
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jgriffithguitarzan: bswartz I'll write on16:30
jgriffithit's resolved IMO16:30
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avishaywinston-d: so that things reported by the driver are read once, and things in host state are constantly updated?16:30
guitarzanoh? that's good to hear16:30
bswartzI propose discussing it one more time at the conference and making sure we write down the conclusions and turn them into a doc16:31
jgriffithguitarzan: haha16:31
bswartzI can sign up for that16:31
avishaybswartz: i was planning to bring this topic up at the summit as well16:31
bswartzI can also try to get material prepared in advance16:31
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jgriffithSo hold on a sec...16:31
jgriffithFirst.. the issue with the patch from avishay16:32
avishayif things work as winston-d says (I will test to make sure), then we don't need any change to, and the issue seems resolved16:32
jgriffithCompression is pretty standard and has a pretty distinct meaning16:32
jgriffithI think there are easy ways to get around it but regardless16:32
winston-davishay : see line 273 of  host_state.capabilities are constantly updated as well.16:32
jgriffithavishay: if you want to put in compression I'm fine and I say go for it16:32
jgriffithtiering on the other hand I'm not a fan of16:32
jgriffithtiering should fall into the types setting IMO16:33
DuncanT1jgriffith: It sounds like the  patch is unnecessary16:33
avishaywinston-d: missed that - thanks16:33
avishayjgriffith: seems fair16:33
jgriffithas in select the tier16:33
jgriffithDuncanT1: That was my initial point16:33
guitarzanjgriffith: cool, but I do look forward to hearing what types are :)16:33
avishayso bottom line, i'll re-submit without the changes to
jgriffithDuncanT1: it's unnecessary but if it's convenient for a specific use case avishay has or knowws of I don't care16:33
avishayand we'll discuss at the summit16:33
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jgriffithavishay: if that works for you that's absolutely great with me16:34
DuncanT1avishay: That sounds perfect :-)16:34
avishayjgriffith: cool16:34
avishaythanks everyone16:34
jgriffith#topic volume-types16:34
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jgriffithVolume types are custom/admin-defined volume types that can be used to direct the scheduler to the appropriate back-end16:35
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jgriffith# end of topic!16:35
jgriffithok... moving on :)16:35
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winston-djgriffith : nice!16:35
guitarzanexcept in the case of extra specs, which does the same thing16:35
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jgriffithguitarzan: haha... but no, not really16:35
bswartzguitarzan: no, they work together though16:35
jgriffith#topic extra-specs16:36
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avishayjgriffith: is it only for the scheduler?  or also to pass information about how to create the volume to a driver?16:36
jgriffithextra-specs is additional meta info to be passed to the driver selected by volume-type16:36
winston-dguitarzan : it is extra specs that get volume types to do what jgriffith said it can do16:36
jgriffithextra-specs are just that, *extra*16:36
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guitarzanso that would imply that compression is a volume type?16:37
jgriffithby extra, we mean *extra* information that can be consumed by the backend when it gets it's volume-type16:37
guitarzanwell, I'll think about it anyway :)16:37
winston-davishay : yeah, that's the other important usage of extra specs (to pass requirements to driver)16:37
guitarzanit seems confusing to me16:37
jgriffithguitarzan: correct, that's a possible way to do it that I mentioned earlier16:37
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jgriffithbut folks don't like the admin's to actually have to think16:37
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kmartinanyone else notice that you have to  enable the scheduler setting in the cinder.conf for the extra specs to work in devstack?16:37
jgriffithor maybe they just *can't* actually think16:37
jgriffithkmartin: can you ellaborate?16:38
jgriffithwhich setting specifically?16:38
avishayI think maybe not everyone knows about scopes, which I learned about while playing with volume types16:38
kmartinjgriffith: scheduler_host_manager, scheduler_default_filters,  scheduler_default_weighers and scheduler_driver16:39
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* DuncanT1 suggests people with a specific scenario they want to accomplish in terms of both users and admin actions, they they currently don't know how to, writes it up and we can see if our current method is sufficient or we need to enhance it for Havanna16:39
jgriffithDuncanT1: +116:40
avishayI like DuncanT1's idea of assigning homework before the Summit :)16:40
winston-dDuncanT1 : +116:40
DuncanT1It is far easier to answer specific questions than generalities16:40
DuncanT1(I've a few myself that I don't know how to do, though I'm fairly sure they are entirely possible)16:40
avishaykmartin: default devstack works fine with volume types for me16:40
winston-dDuncanT1: and i believe most cases can be solved now, people just don't know how16:40
DuncanT1winston-d: +116:41
kmartinavishay: with extra specs defined?16:41
avishaywinston-d: you're probably right16:41
jgriffithwinston-d: DuncanT1 agreed16:41
avishaykmartin: what do you mean?16:41
jgriffithkmartin: it works for me... wonder if we have an issue with expectations16:41
bswartzjgriffith: I have a feeling we have an issue with documentation and understanding16:42
jgriffithkmartin: So my driver is selected correctly by the volume type16:42
jgallardkmartin, it works for me too16:42
jgriffithkmartin: Then it queries that type for extra-specs16:42
jgriffithand uses the extra-specs to do *stuff*16:42
kmartinyeah, our case if we do not have them enabled our driver never gets call16:42
xyang_winston-d has a couple of nice docs about scheduler.  It will be nice to combine them and add more to it16:42
jgriffithkmartin: ohhh?  That's a problem with the type then16:43
jgriffithkmartin: volume-type is what selects the driver16:43
* jgriffith really needs to document this it seems16:43
kmartinok...we may be using it incorrectly then16:43
jgriffithkmartin: uh oh :)16:43
jgriffithkmartin: what's the scenario you're trying to run?16:44
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thingeeso just so everyone knows, I'm currently in the process of creating the initial block storage manual and separating it out of compute manuals.16:45
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kmartinwe create volume type like Gold, Silver, Bronze, then assign extra specs to those with different capabilities on the array, like provisioning, host mode cpg, etc...16:45
thingeeall driver information will be moved over if you have it in there16:46
* DuncanT1 wonders if we have any more topics to cover, since we can always work out the details of volume-type usage in #openstack-cinder16:46
jgriffithDuncanT1: good point16:46
* bswartz has a topic16:46
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jgriffithbswartz: go for it16:46
avishaybswartz: care to share? :)16:46
bswartzquick question actualy16:46
bswartzjust wanted to know about policy surrounding backporting from grizzly to folsom16:46
bswartzwhat is the policy and who enforces it?16:47
eharneyi've been wondering a bit about this myself16:47
jgriffithbswartz: the OSLO team mostly enforces it by having +2/A authority16:47
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eharneydo we need to change something so that the right people get added to the reviews?16:48
eharneyfor example, i've had floating around for a while now and i'm not sure who to poke16:48
jgriffitheharney: bswartz I'll get with ttx and markmc and get this resolved16:48
jgriffithalso get clarification on features versus bugs etc etc16:48
eharney(which isn't a grizzly backport, it's oslo stable syncing, but still)16:48
bswartzI ask because Rushi mentioned doing some backport of features from grizzly to folsom, and I was surprised that this was even allowed16:49
jgriffithbswartz: he mentioned it to me and I was TOTALLY in favor of it16:49
bswartzI think backporting features is a fine idea, as long as it doesn't get us into trouble16:49
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eharneyjgriffith: thanks, that would be helpful16:49
* rushiagr emembers jgriffith mentioning about backporting multi-backend and filter sched16:49
jgriffithSo the rule of thumb is "it depends on the risk introduced"16:49
jgriffithnot very clear eh?16:49
jgriffithrushiagr: yes, I would love it if we can do that16:50
avishayif we start backporting everything though...16:50
jgriffithavishay: no :)16:50
avishayjgriffith: exactly :)16:50
jgriffithavishay: it would have to be very selective16:50
jgriffithavishay: I've picked the scheduler inparticular because a number of large providers have asked me for it16:51
jgriffithand techinically the existing scheduler in Folsom is lacking to say the least16:51
bswartzjgriffith: as PTL how much does your opinion count when it comes to deciding if a feature can be backported?16:51
jgriffithbswartz: we'll find out :)16:52
bswartzokay that's all I had16:52
jgriffithbswartz: it should count for a bit, depending on the TC16:52
winston-djgriffith : can we do back-porting filter scheduler after grizzly released?16:52
jgriffithwinston-d: yeah, I think it would have to be16:52
xyang_jgriffith: can a new driver be backported to Folsom?16:52
jgriffithwinston-d: too much disruption to do it now IMO16:52
winston-djgriffith : i've been occupied lately so no much bandwidth to do that before design summit16:53
jgriffithxyang_: I think that would be where the line would be16:53
jgriffithI'll come up with guidelines and submit them to everyone later this week16:53
bswartzxyang_: we (NetApp) do that all the time, but we release the backported code from our github repo rather than submitting to a stable branch in cinder16:53
jgriffithbswartz: +1 I do the same thing16:53
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rushiagrhow about keeping cinder/volume/drivers folder open for backport?16:54
xyang_bswartz: so that's your private github repo?16:54
jgriffithrushiagr: it's more difficult than that16:54
jgriffithI'll write up guidelines16:55
bswartzxyang_: public16:55
jgriffithmeanwhile I need to wrap up here16:55
jgriffithwe can all meet back up in openstack-cinder if folks have more they want to hammer out?16:55
jgriffithI'll be offline for about an hour16:55
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bswartzjgriffith: you forgot to #endmeeting16:57
avishaythanks and bye everyone!16:57
kmartinbswartz: can you try ending the meeting?16:58
bswartzI doubt it will work16:58
rushiagrit works only with same nick16:58
rushiagrand the bad part is jgriffith doesnt log out, and xen folks must be waiting16:58
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johnthetubaguywe can use the alternative channel if needed16:59
johnthetubaguy#startmeeting XenAPI16:59
openstackjohnthetubaguy: Error: Can't start another meeting, one is in progress.16:59
* winston-d try /nick himself to be john. :)16:59
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hemnaopenstack can kick him....if someone has the passwd :P16:59
rushiagrhemna: good idea! (if it works)16:59
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johnthetubaguytry cinder lol16:59
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johnthetubaguyOK, so join #openstack-meeting-alt for the XenAPI meeting today17:02
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johnthetubaguyI hope that works out OK for people17:02
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BobBallWorks fine for me17:02
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rushiagrsomeone can change the channel message so people get to know the meeting has been shifted to alt channel?17:03
BobBallmatelakat, we're on #openstack-meeting-alt17:03
matelakatEhy is that?17:03
matelakatWhy is that?17:04
BobBallmatelakat, because we can't stop the cinder meeting - the nick that started it isn't here :)17:04
guitarzanjgriffith didn't end the meeting :)17:04
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sdake_#startmeeting heat20:00
openstacksdake_: Error: Can't start another meeting, one is in progress.20:00
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asalkeldjgriffith, can you end your meeting?20:01
zanebis the cinder meeting actually still going on?20:01
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asalkeldno, just forgot to end it20:01
sdake_join openstack-meeting-alt - we will hold our meeting there20:01
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jgriffithzaneb: sorry20:11
jgriffithFirst time this month at least20:11
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jgriffithasalkeld: apoligies20:12
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asalkeldno worries we just moved to alt20:12
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nijabasorry everyone, some technical pb.  Will be a few min late if you do not mind.  start without me  otherwise21:00
eglynnnijaba: a few mins late is OK with me21:01
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nijabaah, better. sorry about this, ready now21:03
nijaba#startmeeting Ceilometer21:03
nijaba#meetingtopic Ceilometer21:03
nijaba#chair nijaba21:03
nijabaATTENTION: please keep discussion focused on topic until we reach the open discussion topic21:03
openstackMeeting started Wed Mar 13 21:03:20 2013 UTC.  The chair is nijaba. Information about MeetBot at
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.21:03
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'ceilometer'21:03
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openstackCurrent chairs: nijaba21:03
nijabaHello everyone! Show of hands, who is around for the ceilometer meeting?21:03
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nijabagood to see everyone21:04
nijaba#topic actions from previous meeting21:04
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nijaba#topic nijaba to check room allocation for ceilometer during summit21:04
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nijabaI talked to ttx21:04
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nijabasays there shoud be no worry but will be something for the next ptl to worry about, as they shoudl do it in a couple weeks21:05
nijaba#topic dhellmann investigate the process for releasing a client library21:05
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nijabadhellmann is not around and apologized...21:06
nijaba#action dhellmann investigate the process for releasing a client library21:06
nijaba#topic dhellmann propose an ODS session for tempest integration21:06
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nijabaeglynn: thanks21:06
nijaba#topic dhellmann approach documentation team about a joint session at ODS21:07
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nijaba#topic eglynn invite heat team to participate in doc and qa sessions at ODS21:07
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eglynndone, they're happy to21:07
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nijaba#topic Organize a user doc sprint?21:07
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nijabaI am not sure who proposed this21:08
eglynnwhen were we planning that for?21:08
asalkeldbetter be quick21:08
eglynnprolly make more sense after we've spoken to the docs team21:09
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eglynn(i.e. after the joint session at summit)21:09
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llu-laptop+1, though we should continue to improve our doc in the meantime21:09
nijabaok, moving on21:10
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nijaba#topic Check status on RC121:10
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nijabaall bp implemeted21:10
asalkeldis jd back from holiday?21:11
nijabathere are some open bugs21:11
asalkelddo we need to take his bugs?21:11
nijabaasalkeld: not yet, the 16th21:11
nijabaasalkeld: or retarget if it is not blocking21:11
eglynnyolanda opened a new bug earlier ... might be a candidate for RC121:12
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1154596 in ceilometer "Cpu meters stop after stopping/resuming an instance" [Undecided,New]21:12
eglynnI'll triage it in the morning and target it appropriate21:12
nijabaeglynn: looks like one, yes...21:12
llu-laptopwe're still waiting for new version of python-keystoneclient on pypi,
nijabaany other bugs that should be retargeted?21:12
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1151665 in python-keystoneclient "Pypi python-keystoneclient(v0.2.2) not compatible with the latest oslo.config-1.1" [Critical,Confirmed]21:12
llu-laptopcurrent this is wordround to depend on python-keystoneclient master21:13
llu-laptopthough one of the keystone guys just said in the email that they would plan to release 0.3.0 in RC1 time window21:14
nijaballu-laptop: ok, can someone attend keystone meeting, or go talk on their chan?21:14
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gordci don't think there is a keystone channel. a few keystone cores are in #openstack-dev  right now21:15
nijabagordc: thanks21:15
llu-laptopwhat's the time of their meeting?21:16
nijabaanything else gerading the next milestone?21:16
gordcnijaba: i can ask about client release21:16
gordcllu-laptop: keystone meetings are on tuesday21:16
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dolphmfollowing the discussions, i think it might be worthwhile to do a release of keystoneclient just for oslo, 0.2.3 or something21:17
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llu-laptopi'm not sure if it's their commitment21:18
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llu-laptop1800UTC, bad time for me :-(21:19
nijabadolphm: can you keep us informed of your final choice?21:19
dolphmnijaba: sure21:19
nijabadolphm: thanks a lot21:20
shanewangits better to have someone in the same time zone to follow up that.21:20
nijabawhat about bug #1060985?21:21
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1060985 in ceilometer "Notifications are lacking for the L3 API (router-interface add and remove)" [High,Confirmed]
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nijabaHigh, confirmed, unasigned...21:21
asalkeldis a quantum patch needed?21:21
nijabaasalkeld: marked released21:22
eglynnquantum already patched
eglynnso we need the corresponding fix on the ceilo side, right?21:22
llu-laptopShould we add a new metric for this?21:23
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eglynnyeah sounds like it21:23
nijabaeglynn: it seems21:23
eglynnI can have a look at that tmrw also21:23
nijabaeglynn: nice :)21:23
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nijabaanything else?  anyone?21:24
nijabaor shall we move on?21:24
asalkeldall good21:24
llu-laptopok to move on for me21:24
eglynnyep, lets move on21:24
nijaba#topic open discussion21:24
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nijabatopics, anyone?21:25
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Shengjie_homesummit dinner? what day is that?21:26
eglynnwe just agreed not Sundat night21:26
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eglynnother than that it's still open IIRC21:26
eglynndepends on the party schedule :)21:27
nijababoard diner on sunday night, I'll try to bail out early ;)21:27
asalkeldbored diner?21:27
Shengjie_home14th April21:27
eglynnany particular day suits folks? ... might be good the evening of the ceilometer track day21:28
nijabaasalkeld: not so, but always more fun with you guys :)21:28
asalkeldgood idea eglynn21:28
Shengjie_homeshoot, goona miss it, arrive at sunday nite21:28
asalkeldor before21:28
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eglynnShengjie_home: me too, and dhellmann also, so we agreed not to do it on the Sunday night if poss21:28
Shengjie_homeeglynn: that'd be great21:29
nijabaeglynn: so that's great for me too!21:29
eglynnasalkeld: yeah, the night before could work too21:29
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asalkeldlets wait for  the schedule first?21:30
nijabaasalkeld: +121:30
nijabaanything else?21:31
eglynnnot hustling for votes but ... the PTL election closes midnight PST tmrw, so don't forget to vote if you haven't already21:31
eglynna good vote turn-out => a healthy project21:31
maksimov_who gets to vote? core?21:32
* maksimov_ says hi21:32
eglynnall contributors21:32
nealpheglynn:thanks for the reminder...will pop out there.21:32
nijabamaksimov_: active contributors in the past year21:32
maksimov_does a person with one commit count as active contributor? :)21:33
Shengjie_homeeglynn: do you have the link off your hand21:33
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nijabamaksimov_: yes, but you may be short on delay, I do not know the cuttoff date21:33
eglynnShengjie_home: you would have been mail a personalized link21:33
maksimov_nijaba: i'll have to check so21:33
eglynnsubject line ... Poll: Spring 2013 Ceilometer PTL Election21:34
Shengjie_homeeglynn: i think I got that now21:34
ttxnijaba: will start discussion on summit track allocation Friday fwiw21:34
nijabattx: ok, so right after the election result.  thanks21:35
nealphnijaba: if we've not consolidated summit topics by then will we consider rolling multiple into one session?21:35
ttxnijaba: but you will have less slots than you already have proposed sessions21:35
maksimov_eglynn: so if there's no email it means i missed the cutoff?21:35
ttxso merging a bit will be necessary methinks21:35
eglynnmaksimov_: sadly, yes21:35
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maksimov_eglynn: ok, so i guess i missed it :)21:35
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nealphnijaba:ttx: sort of a forced merge?21:36
nijabanealph: yep, based on discussions21:36
ttxMy plan is to give ceilo 11 slots21:36
eglynnmaksimov_: are you a foundation member?21:36
nijabattx: not bad21:36
maksimov_eglynn: i think i am21:37
ttxnijaba: that's if all the others agree to give you room21:37
eglynnmaksimov_: membership was required to vote this time as well as a code contrib21:37
eglynnmaksimov_: details here in any case ...
maksimov_eglynn: i think i only merged last week, if memory serves21:37
nijabattx: ah...21:37
ttxnijaba: we'll see how that flies21:37
nijabattx: ok, thanks21:37
eglynnhow many sessions do we have currently, 15/16 or so?21:38
llu-laptopi just counted to 1721:38
nijabaeglynn: and expect more before cuttoff21:38
asalkeldcm devs are chatty;)21:39
nijabacm is popuplar :)21:39
eglynndhellmann cunningly assigned the tempest and docco sessions to the QA and Docs tracks ;)21:39
shanewangwhen can we know the sessions submitted are selected for summit?21:40
nijabadhellmann was smart!21:40
nijabashanewang: the week before21:40
nijabafor summit, not conference, right?21:41
nijabaanything else?21:42
asalkeldall good21:42
eglynnnowt from me21:42
llu-laptopnothing more21:42
nijaballu-laptop: can you go to openstack-dev  about the client?21:43
nijabathanks everyone21:43
nijaballu-laptop: yup, dolphm asking a few q21:43
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