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| bdpayne | #startmeeting OpenStack Security Group | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Mar 14 17:00:04 2013 UTC. The chair is bdpayne. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_security_group' | 17:00 |
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| sdague | bdpayne: um, aren't you guys at the wrong time | 17:00 |
| sdague | this is the tempest time slot | 17:00 |
| bdpayne | I don't believe so | 17:00 |
| bdpayne | hrm, let me check | 17:00 |
| ravikumar_hp | yes. tempest QA meeting supposed to be | 17:00 |
| davidkranz | bdpayne: DST | 17:00 |
| dwalleck | DST | 17:00 |
| dwalleck | yeah, that | 17:01 |
| rellerreller | bdpayne: I have right time for OSSG | 17:01 |
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| bdpayne | oh, heh yeah DST | 17:01 |
| ayoung | that got me on Tuesday for Keystone | 17:01 |
| malini | hello DST | 17:01 |
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| bdpayne | sorry | 17:01 |
| bdpayne | #endmeeting | 17:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Mar 14 17:01:21 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:01 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_security_group/2013/openstack_security_group.2013-03-14-17.00.html | 17:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_security_group/2013/openstack_security_group.2013-03-14-17.00.txt | 17:01 |
| sdague | :) | 17:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_security_group/2013/openstack_security_group.2013-03-14-17.00.log.html | 17:01 |
| sdague | yeh, the fun of all meeting times being in UTC :) | 17:01 |
| sdague | #startmeeting OpenStack QA | 17:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Mar 14 17:02:09 2013 UTC. The chair is sdague. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: OpenStack QA)" | 17:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_qa' | 17:02 |
| sdague | ok, who's here for QA meeting? | 17:02 |
| mlavalle | I am | 17:02 |
| ravikumar_hp | hi | 17:02 |
| mtreinish | o/ | 17:02 |
| dwalleck | here | 17:02 |
| davidkranz | here | 17:02 |
| malini | here too | 17:02 |
| sdague | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/QATeamMeeting | 17:02 |
| dwalleck | And sam who's looking over my shoulder | 17:02 |
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| sdague | threw a couple of things up on the agenda for today | 17:03 |
| sdague | dwalleck: you should give him a whole computer :) | 17:03 |
| chunwang | hi | 17:03 |
| sdague | maybe lets start with the easy one - point #3 | 17:03 |
| davidkranz | Let's put the summit to last | 17:03 |
| sdague | #topic cutting stable branch | 17:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "cutting stable branch (Meeting topic: OpenStack QA)" | 17:03 | |
| sdague | davidkranz: sounds good | 17:03 |
| dwalleck | We're finishing something up, hopefully he'll get his soon | 17:04 |
| sdague | so lets start off with the concrete one of when do we cut stable branch for grizzly | 17:04 |
| sdague | davidkranz: when did that happen last time? | 17:04 |
| jaypipes | doink, sorry for being late guys | 17:04 |
| davidkranz | sdague: I think not until late. | 17:04 |
| sdague | jaypipes: no worries | 17:04 |
| davidkranz | THe problem is that the projects are rolling with respect to this issue. | 17:04 |
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| sdague | davidkranz: right, so the projects are in hard freeze now. And once we cut stable we could still fix issues on the stable branch | 17:05 |
| sdague | but maybe we should pick a date regardless? | 17:05 |
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| jaypipes | sdague: ++ | 17:06 |
| davidkranz | THere are more useful grizzly tests going in. | 17:06 |
| davidkranz | THe danger of waiting is a havana change breaks us. | 17:06 |
| sdague | davidkranz: right, so how about we pick 1 week from now to branch stable | 17:06 |
| davidkranz | From a test standpoint I think it would be better to wait a bit. | 17:06 |
| sdague | no one should be landing anything funny in masters until after then | 17:07 |
| jaypipes | davidkranz: one week from now sounds good. | 17:07 |
| davidkranz | sdague: :) | 17:07 |
| sdague | and we can still let people propose changes to stable after it's cut | 17:07 |
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| sdague | just review it with a more critical eye | 17:07 |
| davidkranz | So be it. | 17:07 |
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| sdague | want an official vote on it? | 17:07 |
| mtreinish | sdague: ++, 1 week sounds fine to me too | 17:07 |
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| sdague | #startvote stable cut for tempest is March 21st | 17:07 |
| openstack | Unable to parse vote topic and options. | 17:07 |
| jaypipes | #vote yes | 17:08 |
| sdague | ok, apparently I don't know how to make the vote work right | 17:08 |
| ravikumar_hp | #vote yes | 17:08 |
| davidkranz | #vote yes | 17:08 |
| sdague | #vote yes anyway :) | 17:08 |
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| jaypipes | sdague: need to include the valid vote options at end... | 17:08 |
| jaypipes | hehe | 17:08 |
| jaypipes | anyone *opposed* to one week from now? | 17:08 |
| sdague | ok, well you'll have to teach me some time :) | 17:08 |
| dwalleck | brb with some other folks | 17:09 |
| sdague | ok, we'll consider that one resolved | 17:09 |
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| davidkranz | jaypipes: Who has the magic decoder ring to do it? | 17:09 |
| jaypipes | davidkranz: to do the cut? | 17:09 |
| davidkranz | Yes. | 17:09 |
| jaypipes | davidkranz: we just work with the CI team, IIRC | 17:10 |
| jaypipes | and maybe ttx | 17:10 |
| davidkranz | jaypipes: k | 17:10 |
| sdague | ok, I can take it as a todo to go figure out what we need to do | 17:10 |
| jaypipes | sdague: thx | 17:10 |
| sdague | #todo sdague to sort out process for stable branching on March 21 | 17:10 |
| sdague | #action sdague to sort out process for stable branching on March 21 | 17:10 |
| sdague | #topic Pending test for multiple server create adds 1 minute to gate. Is that OK? This is the "can't gate on everything issue". | 17:11 |
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| sdague | that one should be a reasonably concrete discussoin | 17:11 |
| jaypipes | sdague: gotta link? | 17:11 |
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| sdague | davidkranz: do you have the link to that review? | 17:11 |
| mtreinish | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/23511/ | 17:11 |
| jaypipes | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/23511/ | 17:11 |
| jaypipes | doh, jinx | 17:11 |
| davidkranz | This test should be part of a full suite, but seems overkill for a gate. | 17:12 |
| sdague | yeh, I'm on the fence. Seems like a good test to have, but I can also understand not wanting to increase the gate right now | 17:12 |
| ravikumar_hp | I think it should not be a gated test | 17:12 |
| davidkranz | We are looking at death by 1000 cuts for gate time. | 17:12 |
| ravikumar_hp | should go into a separate folder like - stress | 17:12 |
| sdague | ravikumar_hp: well I think it's a valid API test, so it should be in core tempest | 17:13 |
| davidkranz | ravikumar_hp: As wel will discuss later or at the summit, these tests should be part of tempest. | 17:13 |
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| sdague | but it might be something we should flag as not run on normal gate jobs | 17:13 |
| davidkranz | But we need a way to only gate on a subset of tests. | 17:13 |
| sdague | anyway, I could go either way, davidkranz / jaypipes you guys have a pov on it | 17:13 |
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| * jaypipes thinks if it is part of the official compute API, it needs to be in the gate. | 17:14 | |
| davidkranz | How about we compromise for now and drop the xml? | 17:14 |
| mtreinish | jaypipes: I think it is an extension | 17:14 |
| mtreinish | let me double check | 17:14 |
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| davidkranz | It is an extension. | 17:14 |
| jaypipes | hmm... | 17:15 |
| sdague | ok, so how about we hold it for now | 17:15 |
| sdague | so don't put it into stable | 17:15 |
| jaypipes | I don't see the test cases checking to see if the extension even is supported in the compute endpoint. | 17:15 |
| sdague | yeh, that's probably a bigger issue | 17:15 |
| jaypipes | if it's truly an extension, that is... | 17:15 |
| davidkranz | jaypipes: We don't do that for most of the "extensions" | 17:15 |
| sdague | which I don't know that we do right anywhere in tempest | 17:15 |
| jaypipes | davidkranz: touche | 17:15 |
| sdague | ok, so I think we're coming to the agreement to hold for now | 17:16 |
| davidkranz | That issue is really for the summit. | 17:16 |
| jaypipes | ya | 17:16 |
| sdague | and we can reopen discussion post summit / stable | 17:16 |
| sdague | I'll -2 it | 17:16 |
| jaypipes | sounds good. | 17:16 |
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| jaypipes | sdague: next topic? | 17:16 |
| sdague | #topic Blockers / Bugs | 17:16 |
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| sdague | any specific bugs or blockers or critical reviews we need the team to look at? | 17:17 |
| davidkranz | I think we are in pretty good shape unless some one has somlething specific. | 17:17 |
| sdague | (after this we'll dive into design summit topics) | 17:17 |
| jaypipes | I'll have some time to get through reviews today | 17:17 |
| davidkranz | sdague: Just one thing. | 17:17 |
| sdague | yeh, just wanted to give folks a moment to speak up | 17:17 |
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| davidkranz | Should the keystone v2/v3 thing be handled in the same way as mtreinish did with images? | 17:18 |
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| afazekas | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/24013/ <-- rate limit handling is not good now | 17:18 |
| sdague | davidkranz: I think the multiple directory approach is good | 17:18 |
| sdague | so I'd be in favor of it | 17:18 |
| davidkranz | ravikumar_hp: Can you recommend that? | 17:18 |
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| davidkranz | ravikumar_hp: Sorry to be such a pain about those submissions. | 17:19 |
| sdague | afazekas: ok, I'll take a look at that one | 17:19 |
| sdague | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/24013/ | 17:19 |
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| ravikumar_hp | davidkranz: sorry . I missed it. what you want me to do | 17:19 |
| sdague | #action need review eyes on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/24013/ to deal with rate limitting | 17:19 |
| jaypipes | afazekas: that code looks excellent. I'll review fully shortly. | 17:19 |
| davidkranz | ravikumar_hp: Model the v2/v3 identity tests the same way the glance tests are handling v1/v2 | 17:20 |
| davidkranz | ravikumar_hp: You are involved in those tests, right? | 17:20 |
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| ravikumar_hp | davidkranz: sure. we are resubmitting | 17:20 |
| davidkranz | ravikumar_hp: Thanks! | 17:20 |
| sdague | ravikumar_hp: yeh, mtreinish provided a model on doing multiple versions of the api in tree for glance, just follow that lead | 17:20 |
| ravikumar_hp | sdague:ok | 17:21 |
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| mtreinish | ravikumar_hp: if there are any questions about it feel free to ping me too | 17:21 |
| sdague | ok, any other bugs/reviews that need attention? | 17:21 |
| ravikumar_hp | mtreinish: odf course | 17:21 |
| andreaf | sdague: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/24433/ | 17:21 |
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| sdague | andreaf: cool, I'll take a look later today | 17:22 |
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| andreaf | thanks | 17:22 |
| sdague | ok, next topic, summit | 17:22 |
| sdague | #topic Design Summit Sessions | 17:22 |
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| sdague | so there are already a number submitted at http://summit.openstack.org | 17:22 |
| sdague | also mtreinish and I were brainstorming others at https://etherpad.openstack.org/havana-qa-infra-summit-brainstorm | 17:23 |
| sdague | as a starting point for pruning down to what we think we really want to focus on there | 17:23 |
| sdague | I'd love some commentary other thoughts on the etherpad to figure out if we don't need the sessions (it's not really a discussion, we're good with an existing solution), or if there are other thoughts about things to add | 17:24 |
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| davidkranz | sdague: I think it may take a few minutes for others to digest :) | 17:25 |
| sdague | yep, that's fair :) | 17:25 |
| sdague | I was hoping people were off reading :) | 17:25 |
| RAXSam | yes still reading. :-) | 17:25 |
| sdague | realize, it's a big brain dump, so think of it as scribble notes :) | 17:26 |
| sdague | but it seemed better to start from that | 17:26 |
| andreaf | sdague: formal processes and best practice are +++ if they make it easier to contribute tests and reduce the review cycles for new contributors (like myself ^^) | 17:26 |
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| jaypipes | andreaf: much agreed. | 17:27 |
| ravikumar_hp | sdague: lot of topics | 17:27 |
| davidkranz | Many of these are already in summit submissions. | 17:27 |
| dwalleck | I like the idea in general of dashboards, especially for results/failures | 17:27 |
| davidkranz | But many are not. | 17:27 |
| sdague | davidkranz: yeh, I'm seeing that there is some overlap. Can you mark the dups in the etherpad? | 17:27 |
| dwalleck | One of the problems we've had internally as well is handling all the data we generate | 17:27 |
| davidkranz | sdague: On it. | 17:28 |
| sdague | sorry, I was running low on time, so I just did the brain dump but not the dup check | 17:28 |
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| ravikumar_hp | sdague: not sure if we can adddress all those in summit . we need to prioritze - | 17:28 |
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| RAXSam | +1 the idea on moving towards working with dashboards, metrics, etc... | 17:28 |
| andreaf | something that I'd like to see is whitebox tests: what is the future of that area, how to we support whitebox tests in a multinode cluster, do we want that to grow as part of tempest | 17:28 |
| sdague | andreaf: yeh, right the whitebox discussion was another good one to have | 17:29 |
| sdague | you want to either direct submit it, or put it on this list? | 17:29 |
| andreaf | I'll put it on the list so people can comment on it | 17:29 |
| dwalleck | I'm not sure how I fee about Tempest only supporting API validation. That might be okay for gating, but it's going to miss a lot of important defects | 17:29 |
| sdague | dwalleck: right, that's the Tempest scope conversation, right? | 17:30 |
| RAXSam | I'd also like to start thinking about things like logstash --> NoSQL --> Elastic Search for dashboarding/mining automated test logs | 17:30 |
| davidkranz | dwalleck: Who suggested it should only support API validation? | 17:30 |
| dwalleck | Nearly all the defects I end up finding having nothing to do with the API. They almost all have to do with the artifacts of the API call, like the instance, it's networking, etc | 17:31 |
| dwalleck | sdague: right | 17:31 |
| sdague | dwalleck: I agree | 17:31 |
| sdague | this is more about just giving a guideline of what's in play and what's not for havana | 17:31 |
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| ravikumar_hp | sdague: i would to like test coverage process for new releases . right now it is adhoc based . we need to have coverage for all blueprints if applicable | 17:32 |
| RAXSam | +1 on discussing Tempest Scope in general and what that focus should be | 17:32 |
| RAXSam | +1 on most of our found defects involving artifacts generated by the API and the integration(s) between those artifacts | 17:32 |
| jaypipes | +1 on being able to run the whitebox-type tests against a multi-node environment | 17:33 |
| mlavalle | As a "newbie", I find the proposal to discuss foundational topics very useful: Best Practice Guide and Tempest Scope | 17:34 |
| dwalleck | And we should probably define better what we mean by white box. I think we may all be thinking slightly differently there | 17:34 |
| jaypipes | dwalleck: agreed. | 17:34 |
| RAXSam | mlavalle: Hello and +1 | 17:35 |
| malini | mlavalle : +1 ..It will be awesome if we can have a Tempest 101 | 17:35 |
| sdague | yeh, whitebox is probably a topic by itself | 17:35 |
| dwalleck | mlavalle: +1 | 17:35 |
| RAXSam | jaypipes: +1 on the mutli-node testing | 17:35 |
| sdague | ok, I guess maybe it's worth a point of order to figure out how we move from the artifacts and discussions we've got going now to a schedule. Do people want some more time poking at the etherpad? How do we want to prioritize the topic lists? | 17:36 |
| davidkranz | malini: I think that is what http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/details/87 is, at least in part. | 17:36 |
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| sdague | davidkranz / jaypipes / dwalleck you guys did this before, so curious how that next step goes | 17:37 |
| davidkranz | sdague: Perhaps there should just be more summit session submissions and then we sort | 17:37 |
| sdague | sure | 17:37 |
| davidkranz | Thierrey said we will probably have 9-12 slots to be decided soon. | 17:37 |
| jaypipes | sdague: looking over the proposed QA sessions at http://summit.openstack.org/, the only really glaring omission I think is the whitebox testing... unless dwalleck's "Beyond the API - End to End Testing of OpenStack" is really all about whitebox testing? | 17:37 |
| jaypipes | dwalleck: ? | 17:38 |
| mlavalle | sdague: why don't we let people vote on their 3 top topics on the etherpad over the next few days? | 17:38 |
| sdague | ok, so I'd appreciate any markup in the etherpad to catch dupes | 17:38 |
| sdague | mlavalle: well, I think we need them in the proper tool | 17:38 |
| jaypipes | dwalleck: shall that be our whitebox testing session? | 17:38 |
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| mlavalle | sdague: or whatever tool is apporpriate | 17:38 |
| dwalleck | jaypipes: I was referring to lower level instance validation, but I don't actually consider that to be white box | 17:39 |
| jaypipes | dwalleck: ok | 17:39 |
| dwalleck | But yeah, it seems like the right time to talk about that general topic | 17:39 |
| jaypipes | dwalleck: just checkin :) | 17:39 |
| sdague | ok, cool | 17:40 |
| dwalleck | cool :) | 17:40 |
| sdague | anything terrible on my list people want to throw out? | 17:40 |
| davidkranz | IMO, we should be moving towards tempest being a real upstream acceptance test. | 17:40 |
| davidkranz | With subsets for gating, etc. | 17:40 |
| mlavalle | sdague: no.... you proposed good topics. Thanks for the effort | 17:40 |
| sdague | right, well we can talk about that in the scope session | 17:40 |
| jaypipes | sdague: I'm not sure that http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/details/117 belongs in the QA track | 17:41 |
| davidkranz | jaypipes: Agreed. Nor design summit 101. | 17:41 |
| sdague | jaypipes: I would agree with you on tat | 17:41 |
| jaypipes | sdague: but there isn't an Ops track... | 17:41 |
| sdague | yeh, so the qa-core team probably need to scrub | 17:41 |
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| jaypipes | davidkranz: yeah, loic's one should be in Process I think. | 17:42 |
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| RAXSam | +1 on the 117 no really belonging in the QA track (at least without better details) :-) | 17:42 |
| davidkranz | jaypipes: I might well refuse it now. | 17:42 |
| jaypipes | RAXSam: yeah, it's a great session proposal acutally, but just not in QA :) | 17:42 |
| sdague | davidkranz / jaypipes: you guys have edit super powers on that? (I can help if you give me powers) | 17:42 |
| jaypipes | sdague: no, I can not review, only view | 17:43 |
| RAXSam | japypipes: Exactly...the topic is cool, just wrong slot. :-) | 17:43 |
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| jaypipes | ttx: any chance of getting an Operators track at the summiit? | 17:43 |
| davidkranz | sdague: I think there is only one person which is me at the moment. | 17:43 |
| sdague | ok | 17:43 |
| jaypipes | all hail davidkranz | 17:43 |
| sdague | don't make him mad, or he'll kill you session! | 17:43 |
| davidkranz | jaypipes: You pushed it at me last time :) | 17:43 |
| sdague | jaypipes is the master of delegation :) | 17:44 |
| jaypipes | davidkranz: I am not complaining :) | 17:44 |
| davidkranz | OK, so we just need people to push new sessions based on the etherpad and then we can sort. | 17:44 |
| jaypipes | yep, think that's right. | 17:45 |
| davidkranz | We can have one more discussion of this next week I think. | 17:45 |
| jaypipes | ++ | 17:45 |
| davidkranz | Based on the actual submissions. | 17:45 |
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| davidkranz | Hopefully we will now next week how many sessions we have. | 17:45 |
| davidkranz | ^^^ know | 17:45 |
| sdague | ok, so. I'll take the list I had, excepting dupes, and put them in | 17:45 |
| sdague | then we can prioritize next week | 17:45 |
| davidkranz | sdague: Thanks. | 17:45 |
| jaypipes | sdague: sounds good. | 17:45 |
| sdague | ok. the last agenda topic was on best practices. | 17:46 |
| davidkranz | The one question I had for now is whether the OPenStackTM thing should go in process or tempest. | 17:46 |
| davidkranz | I could see it either way. | 17:46 |
| jaypipes | davidkranz: Process, IMO. | 17:46 |
| sdague | yeh, Process | 17:46 |
| davidkranz | OK, we'll see if they accept it :) | 17:46 |
| sdague | #topic Guidelines for Tempest commits | 17:47 |
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| sdague | last topic on agenda | 17:47 |
| jaypipes | davidkranz: you talking about http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/details/16 ? | 17:47 |
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| davidkranz | jaypipes: No, the item in the etherpad about using tempest as a gate for openstack trademark. | 17:47 |
| jaypipes | davidkranz: k, the two are similar | 17:48 |
| jaypipes | davidkranz: might be worth combining. | 17:48 |
| jaypipes | davidkranz: check with mordred | 17:48 |
| sdague | yeh, that sounds reasonable | 17:48 |
| davidkranz | jaypipes: Yes, at the implementation level. | 17:48 |
| davidkranz | jaypipes: Will do. | 17:48 |
| sdague | davidkranz: you going to take the todo and circle with mordred / ttx on it? | 17:48 |
| davidkranz | sdague: Yes. | 17:48 |
| sdague | #action davidkranz to discuss with mordred / ttx on where tempest testing for openstack trademark should go | 17:49 |
| sdague | ok, last thing I wanted to make sure we brought up was just pointing lots of people (especially new folks) at - https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Gerrit_Workflow#Committing_Changes | 17:49 |
| jaypipes | ++ | 17:49 |
| sdague | having sane commit messages is really useful | 17:50 |
| sdague | and I've been -1ing a bunch of patches because they didn't have them | 17:50 |
| mtreinish | sdague: this one too: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/GitCommitMessages | 17:50 |
| sdague | ah, yeh, that one is better | 17:50 |
| sdague | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/GitCommitMessages | 17:50 |
| sdague | so if you are a new contributor, or have new contribs on your team, please go take a look at that | 17:51 |
| sdague | #topic open discussion | 17:51 |
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| sdague | it's free for all time :) | 17:51 |
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| sdague | anything else from folks | 17:51 |
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| * afazekas if I can get passport in time I will be on the summit | 17:52 | |
| mtreinish | afazekas: cool | 17:52 |
| sdague | awesome | 17:52 |
| sdague | anything else from folks? | 17:53 |
| andreaf | I did not have time to follow-up anymore on enabling ssh tests, sorry about that - I'll pick it up again as soon as I can | 17:53 |
| sdague | going once... | 17:53 |
| sdague | going twice... | 17:53 |
| dwalleck | adios! | 17:54 |
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| sdague | ok, lets call it. Thanks all | 17:54 |
| sdague | #endmeeting | 17:54 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Mar 14 17:54:12 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:54 |
| mlavalle | ciao | 17:54 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_qa/2013/openstack_qa.2013-03-14-17.02.html | 17:54 |
| andreaf | ciao | 17:54 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_qa/2013/openstack_qa.2013-03-14-17.02.txt | 17:54 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_qa/2013/openstack_qa.2013-03-14-17.02.log.html | 17:54 |
| sdague | see you all on #openstack-qa | 17:54 |
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| bdpayne | #startmeeting OpenStack Security Group | 18:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Mar 14 18:01:21 2013 UTC. The chair is bdpayne. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:01 |
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| bdpayne | good morning everyone | 18:01 |
| bdpayne | hopefully the time change (in the US) didn't mess up anyone other than myself | 18:01 |
| bdpayne | could we get a quick role call? who is here? | 18:01 |
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| rellerreller | here | 18:02 |
| lglenden | I'm here | 18:02 |
| bdpayne | do we have estebang9 or noslzzp ? | 18:03 |
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| bdpayne | ok | 18:03 |
| bdpayne | #topic Review action items | 18:04 |
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| bdpayne | Last week I took on reviewing rbac | 18:04 |
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| bdpayne | and looking at the idea of a doc sprint | 18:04 |
| bdpayne | Re RBAC… there's a lot to learn there | 18:04 |
| bdpayne | I've started down that path, but this is a actively evolving story in openstack today | 18:05 |
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| bdpayne | bottom line, this is a work in progress | 18:06 |
| bdpayne | if anyone else is interested in this, I'd love to sync and share the load of planning how to do this | 18:06 |
| bdpayne | please let me know | 18:06 |
| rellerreller | Are there any wiki pages or emails on RBAC? | 18:06 |
| bdpayne | Not yet… I've just been trying to get my brain up to speed so far | 18:06 |
| bdpayne | But perhaps that would be a good step… to help gather information | 18:07 |
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| bdpayne | any prefs on where to put something like that? | 18:07 |
| bdpayne | wiki, google doc, or ?? | 18:07 |
| rellerreller | What does the rest of the community use? It's probably best to use that to get more involved. | 18:08 |
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| bdpayne | well, there is https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Main_Page | 18:08 |
| bdpayne | but I don't know that it's typically used in this context | 18:08 |
| lglenden | I see people using https://etherpad.openstack.org/ sometimes for brainstorming-style notes and pages | 18:09 |
| rellerreller | The bad part about a wiki is how to edit it. I want to add comments, but not overwrite what someone else said. | 18:09 |
| bdpayne | I'd be inclined to use a google doc now for collar within our group, and then work on a more polished wiki when we are ready for broader input | 18:09 |
| rellerreller | I'm ok with that. | 18:10 |
| bdpayne | s/collab/collar/ | 18:10 |
| bdpayne | ok | 18:10 |
| bdpayne | #action bdpayne to collect rbac info into google doc | 18:10 |
| bdpayne | ahh, ether pad is reasonable as well | 18:11 |
| bdpayne | I could do it there too… probably a lower barrier to entry | 18:11 |
| bdpayne | so… moving forward | 18:12 |
| bdpayne | Re doc sprint | 18:12 |
| bdpayne | I have reached out to annegentle via email, but am still waiting for a response | 18:12 |
| bdpayne | I'm thinking it might be nice to do an effort like this in the May timeframe, leveraging momentum from the summit to get people involved | 18:13 |
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| bdpayne | so, I guess just stay tuned for that | 18:14 |
| bdpayne | estebang9 was going to provide a recap of can sec, you here now? | 18:14 |
| bdpayne | alrighty | 18:15 |
| bdpayne | also, noslzzp was going to put up a PR for converting the hardening guide to markdown… and I haven't seen a PR for that yet | 18:15 |
| bdpayne | any updates there noslzzp ? | 18:15 |
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| lglenden | seems quiet today | 18:16 |
| bdpayne | yeah, I wonder if the time change is messing with people | 18:16 |
| bdpayne | that's ok | 18:16 |
| bdpayne | we can circle back on those items next week | 18:16 |
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| bdpayne | #action bdpayne to check on markdown for hardening guide and can sec recap next week | 18:17 |
| bdpayne | ok, the last thing for today is Trusts, a new keystone concept | 18:17 |
| bdpayne | so ayoung asked me to discuss this today | 18:18 |
| bdpayne | basically he'd like some security input on this | 18:18 |
| bdpayne | let me see if it works to cut 'n paste his comments to me… | 18:19 |
| bdpayne | [10:54:40] <ayoung> token revocation in general is proving to be a source of many issues. | 18:19 |
| bdpayne | [10:55:01] <ayoung> One thing I'd like to emphasize moving forward is that with trusts, we should be able to move to short term tokens, and drop revocations | 18:19 |
| bdpayne | [10:55:17] <bdpayne> I do like that | 18:19 |
| bdpayne | [10:55:20] <ayoung> You can see the bug I just filed | 18:19 |
| bdpayne | [10:55:43] <ayoung> in addition, there are issues about changing pretty much anything about a user, and then we revoke tokens. | 18:19 |
| bdpayne | [10:55:50] <ayoung> password, roles, domains, etc | 18:19 |
| bdpayne | [10:56:04] <ayoung> and gettting that right is proving troublesome | 18:19 |
| bdpayne | [10:56:33] <ayoung> so, instead, if something is going to take longer than just a web post and response, you should use a trust to follow up. | 18:19 |
| bdpayne | [10:56:42] <ayoung> An example is an upload event that takes minutes | 18:19 |
| bdpayne | [10:57:12] <ayoung> create a short term trust, hand it off to nova, and nova can then use that trust to get a token for swift in five minutes time | 18:19 |
| bdpayne | [10:57:21] <ayoung> So 2 things for the sec team | 18:19 |
| bdpayne | [10:57:38] <ayoung> 1. Make sure the trust implementation is solid | 18:19 |
| bdpayne | [10:57:51] <ayoung> 2. figure out where using trusts over long term tokens needs to happen | 18:19 |
| bdpayne | [10:58:19] <ayoung> and from those, we can move toward short term tokens and no revocation lists | 18:19 |
| bdpayne | [10:58:39] <ayoung> note that for tokens that have to be passed to Keystone, revocation is not an issue, as all things are checked on keystone at request time | 18:19 |
| bdpayne | [11:00:32] <ayoung> the issue there, if I think clearly through it, is that the unscoped token from Keystone is stored in the session, so we'd have to address that. | 18:19 |
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| bdpayne | [11:01:03] <ayoung> I think we'd still keep the change password, revoke tokens logic. But that is the only one that carries roles. | 18:19 |
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| bdpayne | there's a fair bit there, but I wanted to not mess up his words | 18:19 |
| bdpayne | he had a conflict and couldn't' attend today's meeting | 18:20 |
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| * bdpayne gives everyone time to read through that | 18:21 | |
| dolphm | i can probably chime in if ya'll have questions | 18:21 |
| bdpayne | hi, thanks dolphm | 18:21 |
| bdpayne | so, I think that the main questions that come to my mind include (1) is this the right solution to the problem, and (2) is there a way that we can improve on the security here or do we like what is being done | 18:22 |
| bdpayne | for my mind, I'd need a fair bit more information to answer those questions | 18:22 |
| rellerreller | It's difficult to understand the problem and solution from these few lines. | 18:22 |
| bdpayne | dolphm, is there a good place for us to get some more background context and details on all of that? | 18:22 |
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| dolphm | bdpayne: i'm not aware of anything, no :( | 18:23 |
| bdpayne | that's unfortunate | 18:23 |
| dolphm | we're basically solving for authz delegation and impersonation in one go | 18:23 |
| bdpayne | this is certainly a great area to get some solid security review | 18:23 |
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| bdpayne | I think that to do that, though, we'll need to have a much more detailed discussion | 18:24 |
| dolphm | "I trust user X to perform role Y on project Z, optionally for some duration of time, and optionally perform that role while impersonating me." | 18:24 |
| bdpayne | I'm open to conference calls, email threads, etc as appropriate | 18:24 |
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| bdpayne | dolphm perhaps you could take this back and discuss with ayoung about a good next step to get security input? | 18:25 |
| bdpayne | ok, I'll take that one offline and see how we can move ahead | 18:26 |
| dolphm | bdpayne: sure; but this is also shipping with grizzly :) | 18:27 |
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| bdpayne | heh… so a little late for security review ;-) | 18:27 |
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| bdpayne | but, perhaps still good to understand and improve all of this | 18:27 |
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| bdpayne | any other topics for discussion? | 18:27 |
| dolphm | i think it'd be great to have a flow chart to illustrate how trusts are defined, consumed, and utilized -- there's probably some impact there we haven't thought of | 18:27 |
| bdpayne | I have no doubt :-) | 18:28 |
| bdpayne | diagraming this out would be a good idea | 18:28 |
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| bdpayne | ok, looks like we're done for today then | 18:29 |
| bdpayne | thanks everyone | 18:29 |
| bdpayne | have a great week | 18:29 |
| bdpayne | #endmeeting | 18:29 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Mar 14 18:29:24 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:29 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_security_group/2013/openstack_security_group.2013-03-14-18.01.html | 18:29 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_security_group/2013/openstack_security_group.2013-03-14-18.01.txt | 18:29 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_security_group/2013/openstack_security_group.2013-03-14-18.01.log.html | 18:29 |
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| russellb | #startmeeting nova | 21:04 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Mar 14 21:04:19 2013 UTC. The chair is russellb. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:04 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:04 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova' | 21:04 |
| russellb | #chair vishy | 21:04 |
| openstack | Current chairs: russellb vishy | 21:04 |
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| russellb | who's here to talk nova?! | 21:04 |
| sdague | o/ | 21:04 |
| dansmith | \o/ | 21:04 |
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| * jog0 waves | 21:04 | |
| cyeoh | hi | 21:05 |
| russellb | soooooooooo | 21:05 |
| russellb | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Nova | 21:05 |
| russellb | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Nova | 21:05 |
| vishy | hi | 21:05 |
| cburgess | greetings | 21:05 |
| devananda | \o | 21:06 |
| dansmith | cripes, what am I doing adding agenda items? | 21:06 |
| vishy | russellb: fyi the traceback happens with local exceptions too | 21:06 |
| russellb | vishy: really? | 21:06 |
| dansmith | vishy: hmm, I'm confused then | 21:06 |
| russellb | same here, what adds it | 21:06 |
| russellb | so, we're talking about https://review.openstack.org/#/c/24475/ | 21:06 |
| russellb | and specifically how the traceback gets into the exception message | 21:06 |
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| mikal | Hi | 21:07 |
| russellb | but in the meantime we can discuss rc1 really quick | 21:07 |
| vishy | i could be wrong | 21:08 |
| russellb | in the release meeting, an ETA for grizzly-rc1 for nova was set for March 20th | 21:08 |
| russellb | Wednesday | 21:08 |
| russellb | vishy: yeah, we should get to the bottom of it | 21:08 |
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| russellb | to do rc1 on Wednesday, that means have everything done by Tuesday night | 21:08 |
| vishy | russellb: you are correct | 21:08 |
| alaski | o/ | 21:08 |
| russellb | vishy: remote only? | 21:08 |
| vishy | yes | 21:08 |
| russellb | vishy: huzzah | 21:09 |
| dansmith | heh | 21:09 |
| russellb | #link http://old-wiki.openstack.org/release/rc/ | 21:09 |
| russellb | our graph for the road to RCs looks pretty good :) | 21:09 |
| dansmith | yeah, we're not losing anymore! | 21:09 |
| russellb | #link https://launchpad.net/nova/+milestone/grizzly-rc1 | 21:09 |
| russellb | so, looking at that, i'm assuming all the In Progress ones are in good shape ... | 21:10 |
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| russellb | would be good to look at the other 4 | 21:10 |
| vishy | russellb: message = failure.get('message', "") + "\n" + "\n".join(trace) | 21:10 |
| russellb | arosen: you around? | 21:10 |
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| russellb | would be good to look at the 4 bugs not listed as in progress yet | 21:11 |
| dansmith | russellb: the one of mine on that list is in review now | 21:11 |
| russellb | arosen has two bugs assigned, both in Triaged | 21:11 |
| russellb | we have one issue not assigned | 21:11 |
| russellb | so ideally we should get it assigned ASAP, or remove it from the blockers list | 21:11 |
| russellb | and tag with "grizzly-rc-potential" instead | 21:11 |
| russellb | dansmith: cool | 21:12 |
| russellb | https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1143659 | 21:12 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1143659 in nova "Deleting instance during snapshot leaves snapshot state in saving" [Medium,Triaged] | 21:12 |
| russellb | rmk: around? | 21:12 |
| rmk | yes | 21:12 |
| russellb | rmk: you looking at that? looked like you had it assigned at one point? | 21:12 |
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| rmk | russellb: I unassigned it for myself because I don't know how to fix it | 21:13 |
| rmk | Thought I could handle it with an API restriction but that's not what we want | 21:13 |
| rmk | honestly i dont think that bug needs to be fixed for rc1 | 21:13 |
| dansmith | sdague: surely we can mark migration testing with data done at this point, right? | 21:13 |
| russellb | rmk: ok, that was going to be my next question | 21:13 |
| sdague | dansmith: I thought it was | 21:14 |
| rmk | russellb: It's a corner case and not really a big deal imo | 21:14 |
| russellb | if it's not a regression, and not the end of the world kind of bug, we can probably not block on it IMO | 21:14 |
| rmk | right | 21:14 |
| russellb | rmk: ok cool, i'll untarget then :) | 21:14 |
| dansmith | sdague: oh, it is, just targeted so it's showing up.. nevermind | 21:14 |
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| russellb | https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1100462 | 21:15 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1100462 in nova "Instance task_state being left as migrating after InvalidSharedStorage error" [Medium,Triaged] | 21:15 |
| russellb | doesn't appear to be actively workedon ... | 21:15 |
| russellb | vishy: thoughts on moving that to grizzly-rc-potential? | 21:15 |
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| vishy | seems fine | 21:15 |
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| russellb | k, sounds like it affected folsom too, and we've lived this long without fixing it, heh | 21:16 |
| * russellb untargets | 21:16 | |
| vishy | arosen is looking at the other two but the second one looks super easy with a patch already in place if someone want sto steal it | 21:16 |
| russellb | vishy: how about the other 2 assigned to arosen, i think i saw you guys talking earlier ... | 21:16 |
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| russellb | vishy: ack, ok, i guess i can steal that | 21:18 |
| russellb | luckily the patch is trivial, otherwise the lack of being able to submit to gerrit officially would be a problem | 21:18 |
| russellb | (happy to let someone else steal it if someone else wants to) | 21:18 |
| russellb | any other bugs / rc1 talk? otherwise looks like dansmith had a topic for today | 21:19 |
| russellb | alrighty, then.... dansmith, what's up. | 21:20 |
| dansmith | so, | 21:20 |
| dansmith | I think I put this on last week out of sheer frustration, | 21:20 |
| dansmith | and because we had gone a couple weeks without a lot of meeting fodder | 21:20 |
| dansmith | we have a bunch of tests that fake a lot of instance_type stuff, | 21:20 |
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| dansmith | lots of modifying individual attributes of a type that we pass in and such | 21:20 |
| dansmith | and there are a ton of places where we use inconsistent types, and where the instance has memory_mb=1024 but the type we pass to some call with it shows memory_mb=512 | 21:21 |
| dansmith | it makes it hugely problematic when we go to unify some of the instance_type stuff and have to patch up a bunch of tests to change all these strange assumptions that are made | 21:22 |
| dansmith | I had a lot of rant material last week, but they're not as fresh for me now | 21:22 |
| russellb | :) | 21:22 |
| russellb | go go go | 21:22 |
| russellb | but yeah, sounds like a good thing to clean up to me. | 21:22 |
| dansmith | but basically, I think we need a BP for havana to seriously clean up some of that stuff | 21:22 |
| mikal | Sounds like a good idea to me | 21:23 |
| dansmith | </rant> | 21:23 |
| russellb | anyone else have a rant? | 21:23 |
| dansmith | heh | 21:23 |
| jog0 | dansmith: ++ to Havana cleanup | 21:23 |
| russellb | i think mikal does | 21:23 |
| mikal | I hate everything | 21:23 |
| mikal | Is that specific enough? | 21:24 |
| sdague | not a rant, but another thing dansmith and I talked about was having a havana blueprint to get rid of all stack traces in a successful tempest run | 21:24 |
| russellb | yep, thanks | 21:24 |
| dims | lol | 21:24 |
| mikal | We really really need a security review gerrit | 21:24 |
| russellb | sdague: +1 | 21:24 |
| mikal | This whole current arrangement is bonkers | 21:24 |
| sdague | because if everything worked, there shouldn't be stack traces in our logs | 21:24 |
| sdague | mikal: +1000 | 21:24 |
| dims | sdague, need to revisit the SKIP'ped tests too | 21:24 |
| russellb | sdague: absolutely | 21:24 |
| russellb | should never see a stack trace unless something very bad or unexpected happened | 21:24 |
| sdague | dims: yeh, we actually have a tempest tool to query launchpad for closed bugs | 21:25 |
| sdague | we run it from time to time | 21:25 |
| russellb | as in, every traceback you see in a log == bug IMO | 21:25 |
| sdague | russellb: yes, definitely | 21:25 |
| jog0 | russellb: ++ | 21:25 |
| dansmith | no way, I have to abandon my periodlic_task_log_a_stack_trace() patch? | 21:25 |
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| sdague | I'm working up some tooling to make the stack trace identification easier | 21:25 |
| dripton | Just make tempest grep the output for Traceback and fail the test if it's there. That'll stop all work for a couple of days then it'll be fixed. | 21:25 |
| sdague | dripton: well, eventually | 21:26 |
| sdague | we have to get rid of the current ones first | 21:26 |
| dims | right | 21:26 |
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| russellb | sdague: i was pretty surprised when you linked to that log the other day | 21:26 |
| sdague | russellb: it's nothing new | 21:27 |
| sdague | I just decided to get beligerent about it :) | 21:27 |
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| russellb | sdague: and i just don't look unless tests failed, heh | 21:27 |
| russellb | so speaking of blueprints and such ... have people been filing design summit sessions? | 21:28 |
| dansmith | yeah, I have | 21:28 |
| mikal | There are a fair few nova ones | 21:28 |
| devananda | lots | 21:28 |
| mikal | Not sure how the number compares to last time though | 21:28 |
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| sdague | there are a couple more api ones cyeoh and I need to get in | 21:28 |
| russellb | 29 for nova, in a quick count | 21:28 |
| mikal | If we have a gap, we could always go get a beer... | 21:29 |
| mikal | Is cyeoh going to be able to make the summit? | 21:29 |
| russellb | i don't think we'll struggle to fill the nova track ... | 21:29 |
| sdague | sadly no | 21:29 |
| mikal | sdague: :( | 21:29 |
| dansmith | mikal: he talks funny anyway | 21:29 |
| dims | speaking of which, how can i help when i am at the summit? | 21:30 |
| cyeoh | mikal: hopefully the next one! | 21:30 |
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| mikal | cyeoh: yay! | 21:31 |
| mikal | dims: attend sessions and have sane ideas? | 21:31 |
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| sdague | mikal: that's crazy talk... | 21:31 |
| russellb | and if your ideas aren't sane, keep them to yourself? lol. | 21:31 |
| dims | mikal, that's a give :) hopefully sane ideas | 21:31 |
| jog0 | are we planning on revving the API in Havana? | 21:31 |
| russellb | i was thinking of writing a blog rant about design summit best practices / etiquette / things that annoy me :) | 21:32 |
| devananda | definitely share the crazy ideas ;) | 21:32 |
| mikal | Thre seem to be a lot of EC2 API tweaks listed in bugs at the moment | 21:32 |
| mikal | It would be good to know what the plan is with those | 21:32 |
| russellb | mikal: "plan" ? | 21:32 |
| mikal | i.e. incorrect return codes, wrong results, etc | 21:32 |
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| russellb | for them to sit there until someone cares enough about ec2 to work on them? | 21:32 |
| dansmith | Plan: assign to mikal | 21:32 |
| mikal | I get the feeling theres an IBM tem who intends to fix them all | 21:32 |
| russellb | i've noticed a significant lack of people caring about EC2 this dev cycle ... | 21:32 |
| mikal | I tried to fix one and was told off | 21:32 |
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| russellb | mikal: I just -2 anything from IBM | 21:33 |
| dansmith | russellb: me too | 21:33 |
| mikal | Heh | 21:33 |
| mikal | Are still logging this meeting? | 21:33 |
| russellb | but really, how much EC2 work happened in grizzly? | 21:33 |
| vishy | i'm surprised there isn't more help | 21:33 |
| russellb | mikal: yes. | 21:33 |
| rmk | I want to rant too | 21:33 |
| russellb | vishy: me too | 21:33 |
| rmk | My rant is about dan's rant | 21:33 |
| vishy | jog0: no love from you guys on ec2 fixes ? | 21:33 |
| rmk | jk | 21:33 |
| russellb | vishy: people scream for it, but it's been dead this cycle | 21:33 |
| mikal | russellb: I get the feeling people walked away around the folsom timeline | 21:34 |
| dims | russellb, means it's working perfectly! | 21:34 |
| russellb | dims: see bug list, heh | 21:34 |
| mikal | Let me rephrase -- we should try and kill off those bugs in Havana | 21:34 |
| vishy | we need to really get on v3 api early in h | 21:34 |
| vishy | so we can work out the kinks | 21:34 |
| dims | russellb, yea, i have been tagging them | 21:34 |
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| vishy | after watching what happened recently with keystone v3 | 21:34 |
| russellb | dims: cool | 21:34 |
| vishy | i'm a bit scared | 21:34 |
| sdague | vishy: yes, agreed | 21:35 |
| russellb | vishy: oh dear, yeah, that's an interesting situation | 21:35 |
| vishy | also we should spend some effort cleaning up novaclient | 21:35 |
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| jog0 | vishy: its on my list but I never seem to get that for down it | 21:35 |
| rmk | nova-client focus.. yes | 21:35 |
| vishy | like have it detect which extensions are enabled a | 21:35 |
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| devananda | ^ ++ | 21:35 |
| russellb | would be nice for someone to just decide to make novaclient their focus | 21:35 |
| uvirtbot | devananda: Error: "++" is not a valid command. | 21:35 |
| rmk | like get-vnc-console <type> | 21:35 |
| rmk | or the net and network commands | 21:35 |
| vishy | right now it is somewhat annoying | 21:35 |
| russellb | oh oh oh, yes what rmk said | 21:35 |
| mikal | We need to close bugs in general | 21:36 |
| russellb | network-create and net-create >_< | 21:36 |
| mikal | ITs a bit embarrssing | 21:36 |
| russellb | which both say "Create a network" | 21:36 |
| rmk | all this great work happens in nova but we don't make it too easy to consume with the client | 21:36 |
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| rmk | i blame dan for this | 21:36 |
| russellb | dansmith: yes! | 21:36 |
| mikal | dansmith: good work | 21:36 |
| jog0 | with the V3 api for H, the client will need to detect that too | 21:36 |
| dansmith | =D | 21:36 |
| sdague | jog0: yep, good fodder for the session | 21:37 |
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| mikal | We should have a rant session at the summit | 21:37 |
| rmk | nova get-spice-console be3968fd-b5a3-484e-a38a-25d6e64d7edb spice-html5 <--- weird | 21:38 |
| jog0 | btw if anyone is interested in working on the CLI we now have integration tests for it, well very simple ones https://github.com/openstack/tempest/tree/master/cli | 21:38 |
| mikal | Try and keep the ranting contained to that one sacraficial session | 21:38 |
| rmk | oh oh can I rant about imagebackend | 21:38 |
| sdague | isn't that called "rant and drink at the nebula party"? | 21:38 |
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| russellb | rmk: don't ask, just rant :) | 21:39 |
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| russellb | OH | 21:40 |
| russellb | 1 week ago today we had 547 open bugs for nova | 21:40 |
| russellb | right now we have 478 | 21:40 |
| russellb | \o/ | 21:40 |
| russellb | 100 of which are marked as in progress. | 21:41 |
| dripton | At this rate they'll all be fixed in 7 weeks! | 21:41 |
| vishy | we should have a buglist zero effort | 21:41 |
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| vishy | that would be fun | 21:41 |
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| vishy | especially if we had a giant wallclock of the bug count somewhere | 21:42 |
| sdague | i've thought about building something like that with a raspberry pi | 21:42 |
| russellb | also, 160 in Fix Committed | 21:43 |
| russellb | (not counted in the 478) | 21:43 |
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| russellb | but that means we've merged 160 fixes that actually had a launchpad bug since grizzly-3 | 21:43 |
| vishy | h-1: no new features until bugcount 0 | 21:43 |
| sdague | russellb: you driving bug friday again tomorrow? | 21:43 |
| russellb | so, yay. | 21:43 |
| russellb | vishy: lol | 21:43 |
| vishy | :) | 21:43 |
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| russellb | sdague: i'm going to be out tomorrow, so i asked mikal if he'd like to | 21:43 |
| sdague | cool | 21:44 |
| mikal | vishy: there are still diablo bugs in there... | 21:44 |
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| russellb | vishy: should propose that on the -dev list | 21:44 |
| sdague | there are bugs before diable in there | 21:44 |
| mikal | Yes, I will be ranting about bugs tomorrow | 21:44 |
| sdague | diablo | 21:44 |
| sdague | there are some crazy things at the end of the bug queue | 21:44 |
| mikal | Although, its a bit hard when we have a rc coming out | 21:44 |
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| russellb | some of it is still correct though, heh | 21:44 |
| sdague | mikal: honestly, just triage would help | 21:44 |
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| mikal | sdague: well, I suspect we need a round of re-triage | 21:45 |
| russellb | mikal: doesn't hurt to sneak in more fixes | 21:45 |
| mikal | Some were triaged a very long time ago | 21:45 |
| sdague | russellb: some of it refers to directories we don't have any more :) | 21:45 |
| mikal | russellb: depends on how safe those fixes are | 21:45 |
| russellb | sdague: haha yes, i close those as Invalid :) | 21:45 |
| russellb | mikal: true | 21:45 |
| mikal | Oh yes, please please please close invalid bugs if you find them | 21:45 |
| russellb | mikal pays in goats if you close bugs | 21:46 |
| mikal | Heh | 21:46 |
| russellb | it's kinda weird | 21:46 |
| sdague | :) | 21:47 |
| mikal | russellb: http://www.amazon.com/Webkinz-Plush-Stuffed-Animal-Mountain/dp/B001QYPPO0 | 21:47 |
| russellb | random other reminder ... if you haven't voted in the PTL election, you should, and it ends tonight. | 21:47 |
| russellb | mikal: only 14 in stock, what will you do? | 21:47 |
| dims | there are 59 in incomplete status, what can we do with them? | 21:47 |
| russellb | dims: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/BugTriage | 21:48 |
| russellb | see Task 4 | 21:48 |
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| dims | cool | 21:48 |
| russellb | task 9 is new | 21:48 |
| dims | will go thru those | 21:48 |
| russellb | there's still a lot that can be done with task 9 | 21:49 |
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| russellb | but in general, the tasks are ordered by priority | 21:49 |
| sdague | yeh, typically just chatter away on -nova during triage to ask questions if you have doubts on anything | 21:49 |
| dims | sounds good | 21:50 |
| russellb | mikal: going to send out a bug day email? | 21:50 |
| russellb | i'd send, but i think it makes sense to come from someone who's going to be around and banging the bug drum :) | 21:51 |
| mikal | I was going to do it tomorrow morning | 21:51 |
| mikal | Do you normally do it the day before? | 21:51 |
| russellb | k, cool | 21:51 |
| russellb | whichever | 21:51 |
| * russellb had been doing it day before | 21:52 | |
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| russellb | any other comments / questions / rants ? | 21:52 |
| russellb | review plugs? | 21:52 |
| russellb | heh | 21:52 |
| dansmith | shameless! | 21:52 |
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| russellb | wait until master opens back up | 21:53 |
| russellb | the review plugging will flood back in :) | 21:53 |
| russellb | thanks for hanging out everyone | 21:53 |
| russellb | #endmeeting | 21:54 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Mar 14 21:54:00 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:54 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2013/nova.2013-03-14-21.04.html | 21:54 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2013/nova.2013-03-14-21.04.txt | 21:54 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2013/nova.2013-03-14-21.04.log.html | 21:54 |
| sdague | enjoy your day off russellb | 21:54 |
| russellb | sdague: thanks :) | 21:54 |
| mikal | russellb: email sent | 21:55 |
| russellb | mikal: rockin | 21:55 |
| mikal | russellb: have a good day slacking off tomorrow | 21:55 |
| russellb | ha, you'll probably see me reviewing anyway from my cell phone | 21:56 |
| russellb | or sneaking on from the airport or something | 21:56 |
| mikal | Heh | 21:56 |
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