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danwenthi folks20:59
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gongyshI am waiting for some greeting from quantum persons.20:59
markmcclaingongysh: hi20:59
danwentgongysh: do we not count?20:59
markmcclainI guess not :)21:00
* markmcclain hopes he counts21:00
gongysh:) counting ...21:00
danwenthow quickly i am swept under the rug :)21:00
danwentok, let's get things started21:00
danwentmay have a small crew… perhaps due to st. patty's day hangovers?21:00
garykbob asked me to say that he will not be able to make the meeting21:00
shivhi all21:00
danwent#startmeeting quantum21:00
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danwentyeah, salvatore is out as well21:01
garykgongysh: hi21:01
danwent#info agenda:
gongyshgaryk: helo21:01
danwent#topic announcements21:01
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danwent#info master is now open for havana commits.21:01
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danwentI was OOO, and have not yet removed all -2s from grizzly freeze.  Will do that after meeting21:02
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danwent#todo #danwent remove all -2s from grizzly freeze21:02
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danwent#info we expect a Grizzly RC2, but as always, we want to keep the set of changes very limited to reduce the likelihood of regressions21:03
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danwentany other announcements?21:03
danwent#topic Grizzly RC2 bugs21:03
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danwentmarkmcclain: ?21:03
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markmcclainlike dan said, we'll be pretty strict with the changes we're cherry-picking21:04
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markmcclainhave two changes that are up for review now21:04
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1154895 in quantum "Quantum not logging anymore on stderr" [High,Fix committed]21:04
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1153983 in heat "Consolidate SQLAlchemy requirements to 0.7.x" [Medium,Fix committed]21:05
markmcclainThere are 4 more that might make good candidates for back porting to RC2:21:05
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1155121 in quantum "DB tables not loaded with Cisco Plugin" [Undecided,In progress]21:05
markmcclainThis one has a review here:
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markmcclainthere is active discussion on the review21:07
danwentyeah, seems like cisco plugin is broken without that change, so seems like an obvious candidate21:07
danwentbut looks like this fix may still need some discussion21:07
markmcclainyeah.. I can follow it, but we'll need another core21:07
danwenti'll be on it as well21:07
danwentbut others are welcomed :)21:07
markmcclainnext bug:21:08
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1155748 in quantum "SubnetRoute changes don't propagete to dhcp agent" [High,In progress]21:08
markmcclainthe review is here:
markmcclainarosen is currently working on revision21:09
markmcclainarosen: any thing else to add?21:09
arosenmarkmcclain: nope still working on it.21:09
danwentarosen: any fundemental blockers?21:09
danwentor do you just need to rework hte unit tests?21:09
arosennope just haven't had the cycles yet, i'll have it up by the end of the day.21:10
danwent(i.e., why is it in WIP?)21:10
arosenor out of WIP21:10
arosenI put it in WIP due to the tests.21:10
gongysharosen: ping me if u need my review.21:10
arosengongysh: k will do21:10
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markmcclainnext bug21:11
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1155063 in quantum "dhcp-agent uses an interface which is down" [Undecided,New]21:11
markmcclainthis one is interesting because the report is from the Folsom version21:11
markmcclainbut the behavior has not changed in Grizzly21:11
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danwentyeah, it seems like it must be something to do with the env. or incorrect setup21:12
garykmarkmcclain: the problem is that in ubuntu the ovs-cleanup utility is not used.21:12
danwentotherwise we'd be noticing it more frequently :)21:12
garykwe need to document this and it will solve a number of problems21:12
markmcclaingaryk: can you create a doc bug?21:13
garykmarkmcclain: sure.21:13
danwentgaryk: interesting… is it that you think there was a reboot, or something else?21:13
gongyshgaryk:  has the bug said it is after rebooting?21:13
danwentgaryk: i know you've helped troubleshoot several related issues.21:13
garykthe problem is that when the host reboots the ovs creates the device and it is down. the l3 agent and dhcp do not deal with this well21:14
garykthe cleanup purges the ovs of the interfaces and all works like a charm afterwards21:14
markmcclainthe bug was not specific about the state of the system when the bug occurred21:14
garykwe just need to make sure it is invoked in ubuntu prior to all other quantum services21:14
garykwe have done this in fedora and rhel21:14
danwentis there a harm to also having IP lib set it to up?21:14
gongyshwe will have to ask the bug submitter to provide more description.21:14
garyki'll ask for a clarification21:15
danwentok, garyk, are you ok if we assign the bug to you for triage?21:15
danwentsince you are most familiar with related issues?21:15
garykdanwent: sure. i'll take it21:15
markmcclain#todo #garyk to follow up on bug 115506321:16
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1155063 in quantum "dhcp-agent uses an interface which is down" [Undecided,New]
garyk#todo #garyk to document21:16
markmcclainlast one…21:17
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1156504 in quantum "Plugin doesn't get called when explicit rules are auto-created." [Undecided,New]21:17
danwentarosen should comment in more detail, but it seems like some plugins were automatically creating the default rules, while others were expecting to get explicit create rule calls21:18
danwentnvp plugin works, as it auto-creates the rules.21:18
arosenYup right now we are just adding the rules in the db base class but we should probably call add rule in the plugin to do this.21:18
danwenti'm not sure about iptables based plugins21:18
danwentsounds like midokura plugin does not21:18
arosenI think we should push a patch that fixes the midokura plugin and then refactor this code for havana.21:19
danwentarosen… is this a problem for any plugin using iptables based security groups (e.g., ovs + linux bridge)?21:19
danwentok, that's what I was trying to figure out.21:19
arosendanwent:  i'll have to check, i'll reply to the bug report if so.21:19
tomoe_danwent: i'm working on a patch now21:19
danwentif midokura plugin is only one broken right now, for grizzly i'd rather just target a fix to that plugin.21:19
danwenttomoe_: ok, great21:19
tomoe_midonet plugin doesn't rely on iptables21:20
danwenttomoe_: yeah, i was referring to other plugins like OVS + linux bridge21:20
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danwenttrying to figure out if those plugins were currently broken in the same situation21:20
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danwent(it sounds like they are not)21:20
danwentok, so sounds like we're clear on that bug?21:20
markmcclainthink so21:20
tomoe_i thought those would be ok as they are using db21:21
danwenttomoe_: yup, i was just confirming that21:21
danwentmarkmcclain, gongysh, do we think needs to be in 2.2.1 for the client?21:21
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1152427 in python-quantumclient "Support refresh token if token is passed to the constructor" [Undecided,In progress]21:21
markmcclainI added to the client section :)21:21
danwentmarkmcclain: ah, sorry21:22
danwentwill wait :)21:22
markmcclainhad one late bug:21:22
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1156782 in quantum "LoadBalancerCallbacks.get_ready_devices() returns incorrect set of devices" [Undecided,New]21:22
danwentmarkmcclain: there was also the policy.json typo bug, let me look at that.21:22
danwentmarkmcclain: yeah, that just came in, but seems worthy21:22
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1155379 in quantum "Typo in policy.json" [Medium,In progress]21:23
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markmcclainyeah.. that should have been in my list21:23
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danwentsalv-orlando says this isn't technically a security concern, but since it appears to be without some explanation, probably best to fix it.21:23
danwentok, anything else on current RC2 targeted bugs?21:24
danwentotherwise, I want to spend a big chunk of the meeting on docs21:24
danwentas I think we're in rougher shape there than we are on bugs :)21:25
markmcclaindanwent: that's it for me21:25
danwent#topic grizzly documentation21:26
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danwent#info grizzly doc impact tracker:
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danwentplease pull up that link, as I want to cover it pretty methodically in the meeting21:26
danwent#info current admin-doc bugs:
danwent#info current api-doc bugs:
danwentunfortunately, salv-orlando it out today, so we won't be able to cover all of the API stuff.  I will try to sync with him one-on-one tomorrow to identify key gaps21:27
danwentI want to focus on admin guide for today21:27
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danwentmy assumption is that most of the service-framework, service-type, etc capabilities will be documented in the admin guide only to the degree that they are necessary for setting up Lbaas, and thus will be tracked under lbaas install.21:28
danwent(a later section)21:28
danwentdoes anyone here disagree?21:29
danwentok, anything we need to doc in the admin guide on XML or pagination?21:30
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garyksounds reasonable21:30
danwentor anything we need to doc in terms of the CLI?21:30
danwent(i.e., force the CLI to use XML21:30
gongyshI will look after the CLI doc.21:30
danwentgongysh: ok, thanks.  I added a section below on the page for CLI, but it is currently empty21:31
gongyshI forgot the wiki page name. I added it to doc project and our meeting agenda page.21:31
danwentok, on metadata21:31
gongyshI will update this page too.21:32
danwentgongysh: thx21:32
danwentwe will need metadata agent install21:32
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danwentand config.  this is being tracked with:
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1099573 in openstack-manuals "Quantum Metadata Proxy should be documented" [High,Confirmed]21:32
danwenti have a separate bug i'm working on updating nova.conf flags for quantum, which will cover metadata settings there among other things.21:33
markmcclainI was out of the office Friday, but I can work on the Quantum side of this21:34
danwentmarkmcclain: we'll also need to update the later metadata section in the quantum admin guide, currently under L321:34
danwentmarkmcclain: hehe, good.  I think i already assigned the bug to you :P21:34
gongyshI think DHCP agent can do it too.21:34
danwentwe should probably pull that out from under L3, as L3 is no longer a requirement for metadtaa21:34
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danwentwe should also rewrite the text, as we know have fewer assumptions about how things must be setup (i.e., the fact that we can route between nova-api and quantum-l3-agent host)21:35
markmcclaindanwent: yeah I think it makes sense to pull it into it's own section21:35
danwentfor reference, this is current section:
danwenti will add that to the bug21:36
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gongyshmaybe under using quantum with nova section.21:36
danwenti'd put the metdata agent as its own top level service, along with dhcp, l3, etc21:36
markmcclaindanwent: That was my thinking too21:36
danwentbut whatever, there are many ways to skin that cat :)21:36
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gongyshdanwent: you are crude. :)21:37
danwentah, sorry, common figure of speech :)21:37
danwentok, next up on the doc-list, scheduler:
danwenti know we already have docs on this in admin guide21:38
danwentgongysh, can you just link to the existing bug, and highlight any gaps that you think still need to be added to the docs?21:38
gongyshI will update our doc wiki page this time.21:39
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1156136 in openstack-manuals "Document quantum agent management and scheduler extension with multiple DHCP agents" [Undecided,In progress]21:39
danwentgongysh: is that main bug?21:39
danwentk, will add that.  feel free to update wiki page further21:39
danwenton db migration21:40
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1099574 in openstack-manuals "Quantum DB migration" [High,Confirmed]21:40
danwentmarkmcclain: this talks only about folsom->grizzly21:41
danwentany doc needed for just a clean grizzly install?21:41
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danwenti will clean up wiki, as I was thinking that bug was about a clean install21:41
markmcclainright now for a clean install.. the server will just create the tables21:41
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markmcclainbut we should have them stamp the tables so that Havana migrations will just work21:41
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danwentmarkmcclain: yeah, that's what I figured21:42
markmcclainWant to me file another bug or add more detail to this description?21:42
danwenttotally up to you21:42
danwentjust update the wiki accordingly21:42
markmcclainwill do21:42
danwenton Nova / Quantum integration21:43
danwentthere are some misc update to nova.conf for quantum in grizzly.  I am working on those, and tracking with
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1156822 in openstack-manuals "update nova config section of quantum admin guide for grizzly" [High,New]21:43
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danwentthere are also changes to vif-plugging config, as plugins using the port-bindings no longer need explicit vif-plugging flags21:43
garykdanwent: i need to address tis.21:44
danwentgaryk: do you want me to just fold that second change into my main patch?21:44
danwentup to you21:44
garykif you can it will be great. i'll be happy to review21:44
danwentok, let's do that.  I will update the description of my bug21:44
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danwentok, on security groups21:46
danwentarosen mentioned that admin guide has had content for security groups CLI commands for a while.21:46
arosenThere are a few doc bugs left there that i've found reading though. I've added them to the doc impact wiki21:46
danwentI will also be updating nova section instructing users to use Noop FW driver for nova, and to proxy calls to quantum.21:47
danwentthis will let us remove the limitation about security groups not working with overlapping IPs.21:47
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danwentarosen: I will review your doc bug fix patches later today21:48
gongyshnova secu* commands will be proxied to quantum?21:48
arosengongysh:  yup.21:48
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arosenif you security_group_api = quantum in nova.conf :)21:48
danwentok, now lbaas21:49
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danwenti created a bug around porting the basic lbaas workflow to the admin gudie:
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1156828 in openstack-manuals "q-admin: basic lbaas workflow" [High,New]21:49
danwentthis is what I would consider "bare minimum", and someone else who wants to really drive the lbaas docs are welcome to dive in, but I'm going to leave it at the basics in terms of my own work until I feel better about the rest of the quantum docs.21:50
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danwentwe also need to create install/setup sections for lbaas on both ubuntu + fedora/rhel platforms.21:50
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danwentI will create bugs for both of those as well21:51
danwentok, on CLI, sounds like gongysh will update the wiki with pointers to some bugs he has already created.21:51
danwenton horizon, amotoki is out today, but you can see he updated the general agenda with info21:51
danwent#todo #danwent work with #amotoki to make sure there are DocImpact entries for all horizon/quantum doc issues21:52
danwentmost obvious is showing how to enable Lbaas in horizon21:53
danwentother than that, there are plugin updates, and I will be adding a table describing support plugins and what virt layers they are compatible with21:54
danwentplease remember to tag all quantum related doc bugs with "quantum" so that they show up in the query21:54
danwent#topic open discussion21:55
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danwentone items I wanted to bring up was packaging21:56
danwentand the fact that as we get closer to release, its important to be testing with packages, not from source21:56
danwentgaryk: any comments on status or fedora/rhel packaging?21:56
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danwenti've been flighting through some issues with ubuntu packaging and filing some bugs21:57
garykdanwent: we just need to pull the latest tarball and then we can do the fedora.21:57
danwentor -> of :)21:57
garykrhel will be a little while later21:57
danwentgaryk: ok.  is there going to be another fedora test day, like we had in the past?21:57
garykdanwent: not sure. i'll check and get back to you guys21:58
gongyshobviously I need a guide how to test the packaging, in particular where to get21:58
garykgongysh: i'll send you links tomorrow for fedora21:59
danwentgongysh: for ubuntu, i've been using
gongyshI updated slides on Technical Architecture of Quantum
gongyshgaryk and danwent: thanks21:59
danwentgongysh: cool22:00
garyki am going to crash. have a long day tomorrow. goodnight and thanks!22:00
danwentok, times up.  anything else?22:00
danwentone more week of focus on bugs + docs22:00
Shree-HPI have question regarding tempest coverage for Quantum. I have filled some blueprints last week and was wondering if we can get them reviewed./approved from the group so that we can submit the code22:00
danwentand I think we'll be in good shape22:00
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danwentShree-HP: there's a group of folks on the ML who have been working on tempest items22:00
danwentinclude some tempest code that is already in review22:01
danwenthappy to have you and others contributing, just want to make sure we aren't duplicating effort22:01
danwenti'd either look up the thread on the ML and reply, or send me an email I can put you in touch with the people leading this work.22:01
danwentok, thanks folks!  i'll be around after the meeting for a bit, but want to close the official proceedings :)22:01
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danwentShree-HP: in particular nati_ueno and mlavalle22:04
danwent(though it looks like mlavalle just logged off22:04
Shree-HPdanwent: thanks22:04
nati_uenoShree-HP: Great. Which one?22:05
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nati_uenoShree-HP: Could you give me URL?22:05
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Shree-HPnati_ueno> if you can review and let me know your comments than i can start submitting it in tempest22:07
nati_uenoShree-HP: OK sure22:07
markmcclaindanwent: do we have a volunteer for the LBaaS api docs?22:08
Shree-HPnati_ueno> thanks22:08
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markmcclainor do we need to recruit one?22:08
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danwentmarkmcclain: i'd check with salv-orlando to be sure, but I am not aware of an existing volunteer22:08
markmcclainlooks like salv-orlando is assigned22:08
markmcclainbut wasn't sure if that was by default :)22:09
nati_uenoShree-HP: I feel you should contact with Miguel whoes working on
nati_uenoShree-HP: May be some tests could be overwrapped22:09
Shree-HPok. i checked his blueprints and it seems these API calls were missing22:10
Shree-HP<nati-ueno>  but will check.22:10
nati_uenoShree-HP: OK sure Thanks22:10
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gongyshdanwent: ping22:18
danwentgongysh: hi22:18
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gongyshdanwent:  I am considering what is blocking us to replace nova-network.22:18
gongyshdanwent: what are the gaps?22:18
danwentgongysh: so this is what i'm a bit fuzzy on in terms of the quantum-scheduler work.22:19
danwentas i'm not sure whether there are gaps between the spec and the code that landed22:19
danwentmy understanding is that the spec talked about "co-location" of dhcp + l3 on the hypervisor of the associated VMs22:19
danwentbut that was part of the code review I was unclear on22:20
danwentdid that part land in grizzly?22:20
gongyshdanwent: Yes, I want to do that. but time is not enough for me to do it.22:20
danwentok, i think that is the primary gap22:20
danwentthere is the cloudpipe VPN stuff, but i don't think many people use that with nova anymore (according to vish) and i expect that to be a quantum summit topic as well.22:21
gongyshnow, I am considering to have a simple multi-host implementation. co-location is tricky and hard to make it error proof.22:21
danwentgongysh: i agree22:21
danwentgongysh: in fact, i was thinking something along the same lines.22:21
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danwentbasically, either say you are doing multi-host, with essentially the exact same capabilities as with nova-network multi-host22:22
gongyshI am trying to push a new patch so that I can go to summit safely.22:22
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gongyshI mean I have told community I will deal with multi-host, but I am not.22:23
danwentah, haha, i get it :P22:23
gongyshwhat about instance migration?22:23
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danwentgongysh: that should be handled correctly by plugins (at least it is in the case of OVS, linux bridge, and NVP) as I understand it.22:24
gongyshI see some API methons are still not implemented in quantum network API.22:24
gongyshmethons -> methods.22:24
danwentyeah, having a full audit of that would be valuable, though I think in some cases we looked at calls and decided they weren't necessary with quantum22:25
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gongyshwe have a lots of APi methods that are for DNS not implemented.22:27
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gongyshdanwent: it seems it will be valuable if we can have a session for gap between nova-network and quantum22:28
danwentgongysh: yeah, the dns stuff was added after there was supposed to be a "freeze" on nova-network stuff.  Vish and I agreed that quantum wasn't going to do that functionality.  I'd suggest a dedicated session on integrating quantum with other DNS projects (we had one last summit as well, but no one really took action on it).22:30
danwenti think a generic nova-network vs. quantum gaps session, with both nova and quantum folks in the room would be ideal.22:30
danwentgongysh: want to lead it?22:30
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gongyshdanwent: I need an assistant22:32
danwentgongysh: i'm happy to assist :)22:32
gongyshdanwent:  in fact, you should lead it, I assist.22:33
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danwenthehe, ok, that's fair22:34
gongyshI will have some investigation and audit of API methods that are not implemented in our quantumv2 api.22:35
gongyshand see how these api methods used in nova.22:35
gongyshone question, why vish and u agreed not to implement the dns methods in the nova's quantum v2 net api?22:36
gongyshdon't u think we should implement these API methods and call to quantum where quantum will work with other projects to provide dns features?22:38
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gongyshjust like Lbaas, which need our models and ip information.22:38
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gongyshDNS project (even it is independent) will need this information too.22:39
gongyshdanwent: are u reading?22:41
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zykes-gongysh: I would like to see DNS go into Moniker instead22:45
zykes-if possible...22:45
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gongyshzykes: so what is the logics then?22:46
gongyshzykes: we have many methods in nova quantum api about dns which are not implemented.22:47
gongyshzykes-: how is the Moniker going?22:47
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zykes-gongysh: pretty well, it's a beta atm at hp i believe:
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gongyshzykes-: will u promote it in the community?  are u going to contribute it into community too?23:00
zykes-gongysh: it's already in the community :)23:00
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gongyshzykes-: so what do u think of the DNS method entries that are not implemented by nova/network/quantumv2/
gongyshzykes-:     def get_dns_domains(self, context):23:03
gongysh        """Return a list of available dns domains.23:03
gongysh        These can be used to create DNS entries for floating ips.23:03
gongysh        """23:03
gongysh        raise NotImplementedError()23:03
gongysh    def add_dns_entry(self, context, address, name, dns_type, domain):23:03
gongysh        """Create specified DNS entry for address."""23:03
gongysh        raise NotImplementedError()23:03
gongysh    def modify_dns_entry(self, context, name, address, domain):23:03
gongysh        """Create specified DNS entry for address."""23:03
gongysh        raise NotImplementedError()23:03
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gongysh    def delete_dns_entry(self, context, name, domain):23:04
gongysh        """Delete the specified dns entry."""23:04
gongysh        raise NotImplementedError()23:04
gongysh    def delete_dns_domain(self, context, domain):23:04
gongysh        """Delete the specified dns domain."""23:04
gongysh        raise NotImplementedError()23:04
gongysh    def get_dns_entries_by_address(self, context, address, domain):23:04
gongysh        """Get entries for address and domain."""23:04
gongysh        raise NotImplementedError()23:04
gongysh    def get_dns_entries_by_name(self, context, name, domain):23:04
gongysh        """Get entries for name and domain."""23:04
gongysh        raise NotImplementedError()23:04
gongysh    def create_private_dns_domain(self, context, domain, availability_zone):23:04
gongysh        """Create a private DNS domain with nova availability zone."""23:04
zykes-what about them gongysh ?23:04
gongysh        raise NotImplementedError()23:04
gongysh    def create_public_dns_domain(self, context, domain, project=None):23:04
gongysh        """Create a private DNS domain with optional nova project."""23:04
gongysh        raise NotImplementedError()23:04
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gongyshzykes-: I mean how do deal with it in moniker?23:09
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zykes-why not leverage moniker instead of doing it in quantum gongysh ?23:11
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gongyshzykes-: these methods are called by nova components to network API.23:19
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zykes-gongysh: is dns done in quantum atm ?23:20
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gongyshzykes-: no obvious solution yet.23:20
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zykes-gongysh: moniker does have a client23:21
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gongyshzykes-: why not promote it in community?23:22
zykes-gongysh: i've already tried :)23:24
zykes-let me do some more  )23:24
zykes-i'll write a mail tmrw23:24
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