Tuesday, 2013-03-26

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primeministerp#startmeeting hyper-v16:01
openstackMeeting started Tue Mar 26 16:01:41 2013 UTC.  The chair is primeministerp. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.16:01
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.16:01
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primeministerphi all16:01
primeministerpquick meeting today, as I only have a couple of points to cover16:02
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primeministerpfirst, ociuhandu has some updates on the rdp-console-gateway progress16:02
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primeministerpociuhandu: mind giving a status on the console proxy16:04
ociuhanduprimeministerp: we're now getting close to integrating it with the dashboard16:04
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ociuhanduthe webconnect part is working fine, we're now focusing in including it in the dashboard16:04
ociuhanduit's fairly straight-forward so I don't expect this to take too long16:05
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primeministerpociuhandu: anything else to add?16:07
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ociuhanduprimeministerp: not really16:07
primeministerpother than that I would like to continue the discussion of the puppet work16:07
primeministerpI don't see iben16:08
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primeministerpluis_fdez: ping16:08
primeministerpluis_fdez: do you want to discuss the puppet work?16:09
primeministerpluis_fdez: if not we can continue at another time16:09
primeministerplooks like not a lot of activity16:10
primeministerpi'm going to end it early16:10
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openstackMeeting ended Tue Mar 26 16:11:22 2013 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)16:11
openstackMinutes:        http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/hyper_v/2013/hyper_v.2013-03-26-16.01.html16:11
openstackMinutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/hyper_v/2013/hyper_v.2013-03-26-16.01.txt16:11
openstackLog:            http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/hyper_v/2013/hyper_v.2013-03-26-16.01.log.html16:11
luis_fdezuop, sorry primeministerp I was busy... but nothing new regarding puppet16:12
luis_fdezgreat the rdp news :)16:12
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primeministerpluis_fdez: openstack-hyper-v16:19
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dolphm#startmeeting keystone18:00
openstackMeeting started Tue Mar 26 18:00:29 2013 UTC.  The chair is dolphm. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.18:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.18:00
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dolphmayoung: o/18:00
dolphm#topic Anything on fire?18:01
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dolphm(silence is appreciated here)18:01
henrynashdolphm: so am debugging why the current master fails to run the test_sql_upgrade scripts on MySQL and PostGres18:01
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dolphmhenrynash: master without my patch, you mean?18:02
henrynashdolphm: yes!18:02
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dolphmhenrynash: does db_sync fail?18:02
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ayoungI'm here!18:03
henrynashdolphm: seems to be when you downgrade to zero…problem with tenant membership table18:03
henrynashok with sqlite, of course18:03
dwaiteayoung: o/18:03
dolphmhenrynash: have you seen christopher yeoh's comments on a similar issue in postgresql?18:03
henrynashdolphm: yes18:03
dolphm0->22->0 fails on postgres18:03
dolphmbut only in test_sql_migrations18:03
henrynashdolphm: yea I found that too18:03
henrynashdophm: that matches what I have found….18:04
dolphmhenrynash: in db_sync or test_sql_upgrade?18:04
henrynashdolphm: test_sql_upgrade18:04
dolphmi'm inclined to say it's an issue with the test infrastructure, not an issue with the migrations18:04
henrynashdolphm: so I think its probably our bad test code….but want to make sure18:04
henrynashdolphm: I tend to agree18:04
dolphmi.e. test_sql_upgrade and test_sql_migrations aren't properly mimicking the process of db_sync18:05
henrynashdolphm: will try to get to the bottom of it18:05
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dolphmhenrynash: thanks; if you find that it's an issue with db_sync, we need to raise a bug / backport fix ASAP18:05
henrynashdolphm: yep18:06
henrynashdolphm: I also just raised this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/keystone/+bug/116050418:06
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1160504 in keystone "Grizzly v2 catalog has slight formatting changes compared to Folsom" [Undecided,New]18:06
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dolphmoh wow, that's breaking18:06
dolphmerr, hmm18:07
dolphmi reviewed this, hold on18:07
dolphmthis was a mismatch between spec and reality18:07
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dolphmtargeted that at rc2 for review, at minimum, i can't find the relevant patch atm18:09
henrynashdolphm: ok18:09
dolphmit was a tested change to the xml serializer though18:09
dolphm#topic Grizzly release candidate status (RC2)18:09
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dolphm#link https://launchpad.net/keystone/+milestone/grizzly-rc218:09
henrynashdolphm: yea , remember it…and we added some special code doe links etc.18:10
topoldolphm, what is the target date for RC2?18:10
dolphmtopol: always ASAP18:10
dolphmanyone aware of any other issues or patches that need to be backported, or considered for backporting to grizzly?18:10
topoldolphm, I am working on TLS Support for LDAP. Should be done soon18:11
dolphmtopol: features especially can't be backported18:11
dolphmwe're open for havana though :)18:11
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gyeedolphm, found an inconsistency with credential18:14
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dolphmgyee: link?18:14
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gyeein the spec we have "data", but in impl we have "blob"18:14
gyeeI haven't file a bug yet18:14
dolphmgyee: unless we have a strong preference for 'data', i think we should fix the spec at this point18:14
gyeedolphm, no argument here18:15
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dolphmgyee: ping me when you have a review up18:16
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dolphmif we only have one issue left (that may not need a fix?), we might be able to cut rc2 today18:17
dolphmthat was my goal before henrynash's issue at least :)18:17
dolphm#topic Review, revise & amend Keystone's release notes18:17
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dolphm#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ReleaseNotes/Grizzly#OpenStack_Identity_.28Keystone.2918:17
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dolphmi got our release notes started last week, and have noticed a few contributions since18:17
dolphmi'd encourage everyone to make sure all the features and potential upgrade issues you're familiar with are included, and doc them if not -- even if it's just a stub so someone else can go fill it in later18:18
gyeedolphm, will oauth be part of rc2, or havana?18:18
dolphmgyee: havana18:18
topoldolphm, do we have a blueprint for oauth?18:18
ayoungdolphm, TLS will probably be nominated for backport to Grizzly stable18:19
dolphmtermie opened one today https://blueprints.launchpad.net/keystone/+spec/delegated-auth-via-oauth18:19
topoldolphm, because adding oauth can me a couple of things18:19
topoldolphm, OK18:19
gyeeyeah, LDAP + TLS is recommended18:19
dolphmtopol: have you seen termie's impl?18:19
dolphmi don't believe it's in review, but it's on his github18:19
gyeedoing LDAP auth without TLS/SSL is like driving without seatbelt :)18:19
ayoungdolphm, it was cursory last I looked18:20
topoldolphm, I have steve martinelli digesting as we speak18:20
ayounglet me see if he has updated18:20
dolphmi think that's why he didn't put it in review18:20
dolphmtermie: feel free to post it to gerrit as WIP ;)18:20
ayoungdolphm, also,  is it possible to comment on the gist?18:21
ayoung#link https://gist.github.com/termie/5225817#file-delegated_auth18:21
dolphmayoung: yes, you can comment on gists at the bottom of the page18:21
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dolphm#topic oauth support18:22
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dolphmbecause why not18:22
dolphmtopol: is steve looking through the spec, impl, or both?18:23
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stevemardolphm: both18:23
dolphmstevemar: thanks18:24
ayoungThe more I learn about oauth, the more I think it is the right approach. Trusts is really a limited subset of the functionality, but it maps pretty clearly to oauth.  The major benefit is that oauth provides a way that the remote service can specify what roles are requred18:24
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dolphmyeah, i think oauth is a great long term solution18:25
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stevemarayoung: does that mean we will get rid of trusts? I think termie submitted something for that already18:25
ayoungAlso, I think I was a bit put off by the bad reputation that oauth2 has, but didn't realize just how supported the version 1 protocol was.18:25
dolphmi'm just not familiar enough with it myself -- yet18:25
ayoungstevemar, no18:25
ayoungstevemar, more likely we will merge18:25
gyeedolphm, https://review.openstack.org/2542118:26
ayoungstevemar, as I see it, anything set up with trusts can be served by oauth18:26
dolphmstevemar: care to share your initial impressions?18:26
ayoungso it is a superset of functioanlityy18:26
stevemarayoung: yeah, from what I read - the community was split when v2 came out, v1 is well supported though18:26
ayounglong term, yeah, proably won'tbe much call for trusts18:26
ayoungbut we need a way to prime the pump for delegation, and trusts will allow people to do that for Grizzly18:26
stevemardolphm: still have to digest a lot of things, it's all coming in quickly now18:26
topoldolphm, so two ways to look at oauth. Using it between openstack components and using it to bridge the outside world to openstack world18:26
ayoungoauth should be in Havana, with a migration for established trusts, and the trust API will still work against the unified table18:27
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topolstevemar  will gather use cases to make this more clear18:28
ayoungtopol, it looks like using it between OS components is a pretty straightforward simplificaition of the overall protocol18:28
topolayoung, assuming the other components buy in I agree!18:28
ayoungand one thing you could do if you didn't want to support the bridge would be to enforce that all consumers are entires in the user tables18:28
dolphmpartly related summit session...18:29
dolphm#link http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/details/11118:29
topolstevemar will gather info on the bridge to the world use case18:29
dolphmdwaite: ^18:29
stevemardolphm: i was *just* going to link that, but was afraid it would cause confusion :)18:29
dwaitenot sure the community which was split on v218:29
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ayoungdwaite, oh yes it was18:30
dwaiteone person involved in creating v2 rage-quit the project :)18:30
ayoungdwaite, he wasn;t the only one.18:30
dolphmdwaite: how much time do you intend to spend on oauth?18:30
ayoungJust the most visible18:30
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dolphmpercentage wise18:30
dwaiteI was thinking 10 minutes on oauth itself18:30
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dwaite10 on saml, 2.5 on SCIM and JWT, saving 15 for talk18:31
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dolphmi suspect that the introduction of oauth might be the biggest change on the table for havana; if that's the case, i'd like to make sure we have a significant chunk of time dedicated to it at the summit18:32
dwaitemore seriously wrt oauth 1 and 2, there are three usual points of contention on the protocol. One is that the tokens alone are used for authorization of the API, without any other user/client proof tokens. There are some efforts to add MAC profiles back to the spec for this18:32
henrynashdolphm:…and you may have seen I put in a second session for us to then talk about how we implment18:32
dwaitebut the tokens in use today in openstack are the same; just a token, put in a header.18:33
dolphmhenrynash: link?18:33
dolphmdwaite: ideally we don't have to change the X-Auth-Token infrastructure, as doing so would be an expensive and slow process18:34
dwaitesecond is that there is a push to have clients identified in general (limiting API access to clients who have registered and been approved and possibly agreed to terms of service). Its anti-hacker, while a fair number of people consider APIs to be complete fair game18:35
dwaitedolphm: I suspect that the first step would be to support the header style of OAuth (Authorization: Bearer <token>) in tandem18:35
dolphm#link http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/details/15718:35
dwaiteand phase that out slowly18:35
dolphmhenrynash: swap /edit/ for /details/18:35
ayoungSo might I address that last point?18:36
dwaitethe third issue I see people have with OAuth is that there are so many different options for acquiring a token. There are web flows, username password flows, flows where users aren't involved and its just service to service, etc.18:36
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ayoungAs I see it, for getting beyond bearer tokens, there are three approaches worth addressing18:36
dolphmayoung: absolutely; this wasn't anyone's specific time slot on the agenda18:36
dwaitethis is probably the main reason people say oauth 2 is a framework, and not a protocol - because there is no MTI here, its just based on what you want to support18:36
ayoung1.  add a public key to the tokens, and sign the request.  Lets call that "roll your own PKI"18:37
dwaiteI would propose we support username/password to start, which is closest to what keystone does today, and move forth from there.18:37
ayoung2.  Kerberos, and extend the authorization data with the information we have in the token today18:37
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ayoung3.  X50918:37
ayoungThe benefit of X509 is that we can then use the same infrastructure for all of the security related pieces18:38
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ayoungbut it is not too clean18:38
ayoungthere is no standard way to do authorization data, short term certificates, etc18:38
ayoungnot unsurmountable problems, but worth mentioning18:38
ayoungKerberos has a few short comings as well18:38
dwaiteSAML is closest to that IMHO (short term certificates)18:38
ayoungdwaite, but you can't use SAML to set up SSL connections18:39
ayoungso it woudl be "in conjunction with"18:39
ayoungkerberos you can't use the service tickets to set up SSL either18:39
ayoungand you need to fetch thme over port 8818:39
ayoungand there is no firm standard about what should be in the authorization data18:40
ayoungAlso, a negotiate call requires 2 round trips18:40
* ayoung will explain negotiate later to any that really care18:40
dwaitekerberos becomes a real pain when you start to cross domain boundaries. thats the driver behind Microsoft supporting federation protocols like SAML18:40
ayoungso typically you end up doing something like Kerbers for initial auth and then a cookie18:41
ayoungsince that cookie can also be our tokens18:41
dwaitebearer tokens are hard to get away from :)18:41
ayoung Ithink that the first thing to do is to add a credential to the currrent bearer tokens, or option 118:41
ayoungwe can make the signing optional to start18:41
dolphm( aside- we should create a design.openstack.org based on stackexchange to allow voting on competing design solution to problem statements :) )18:42
ayoungand we'll have to clarify how the user will specify which credential to use18:42
ayoungas well as make sure we do the request signing in an intellegent manner for people that want to use them18:42
ayoungover time, we make signing go from optional to expected and required18:42
ayoungwe can only do that if we have a delegation mechanism, hence the push for trusts18:43
ayoungif oauth replaces trusts, no big deal, we still have the mechanism we need18:43
ayoungdwaite, there are a few things about Kerberos that make it worth addressing, though18:44
ayoungprobably the most important is that it is an enterprise must18:44
ayoungso good interop is required18:44
ayoungto what degree that gets integrated into the rest of the stack can remain to be seen18:45
dwaitekerberos in keystone is a must. kerberos in each other service, I could probably argue well against18:45
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ayoungfor example, you could put the auth data into the service ticket, and have the web server that nova runs in use negotiate and an analogy to auth_token18:46
ayoungdwaite, there is also some question about securing AMQP18:46
ayoungKerberos there might actually make more sense than at the HTTPS level18:46
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ayoungWe also might want to look at "worst case scenarios"18:47
ayoungthe most likely target for an attack seems to be nova-compute, since it is running the virtual machines, ie random code from out there18:47
ayoungif a hypervisor exploit is found, we want to make sure that they don't end up with admin privs in keystone18:48
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dwaiteso it would make sense to recommend nova and keystone be physically isolated, and for nova to not have delegation privileges18:48
dwaitealso, to make sure that raw credentials are not sent to nova, so that they would never be able to be captured18:49
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ayoungdwaite, nova-computet18:49
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ayoungnova needs it but not the hypervisor, I think18:49
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ayounghowever, that might not meet current arch18:49
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ayoungfor example, an application running in a VM might need to be able to talk to swift18:49
ayoungthat needs to be very limited scope.18:50
dwaiteyeah, I suppose constraining the delegation is more appropriate18:51
dolphmi'm going to cut ya'll off so we have a bit of time for summit sessions & open discussion18:51
ayoungalso, when you deploy a VM to a compute node, I assum that the image gets "pushed" from nova-api, but if it actually gets pulled out of glance, the compute node would need a token, and that would be a potential attack18:51
dolphmwould love to continue in -dev after :)18:51
dolphm#topic Design summit sessions18:51
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dolphmwould love for people to become familiar with what's been proposed for the summit18:52
dolphm#link http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/topic/918:52
bknudsondolphm: Forbidden18:52
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dolphmand then click keystone18:52
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topolI am verbotten as well18:53
dolphmyou might have to login through launchpad?18:53
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ayoungyeah, log in18:53
dolphmif anyone has new sessions to propose -- do so as soon as possible! so far i've avoided approving/denying anything as new ones are still being proposed, but it looks like at least a few will have to be merged or denied, due to time constraints if nothing else18:54
ayounghere are the unreviewed topics18:54
ayoungScaling/Performance of Keystone for the Enterprise,   Supporting KMIP in Key Manager,   Keystone LDAP Integration for Enterprises ,   Domain specific backends,  Generic support for external authn/authz,18:55
ayoung SAML, OAuth 2, and SCIM - Overview and Application,   Availability zone and region management18:55
ayoung Fine-grained access control,   Endpoint Filtering,   Service Metadata/Capabilities,  Centralized Quotas,18:55
ayoungand an incomplete for  Use DNS for initial endpoint information18:55
stevemarayoung: dolphm: should termie also have a proposal?18:57
ayoungdolphm, I assume we have time for one days worth of topics?18:57
topolwe gonna review all these in 4 mins?18:57
stevemarin case it is not the same as dwaite's OAuth18:57
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ayoungtopol, we need to consolidate18:57
ayoungdolphm, we have a day, right?18:57
dolphmayoung: roughly18:57
dolphmtopol: no18:57
ayoungThursday, with 2 topics pre-approved18:57
dolphmtopol: just become familiar with them in your free time18:58
ayoungKeymanager and KMIP should be one topic18:58
dolphmtopol: i'd like to have some initial discussion around them in irc, mailing list, etc before we start rubber stamping stuff18:58
dolphmi'd also like to remind everyone that sessions with a goal of concluding with a yes/no tend to go pretty quickly as there's not usually much to discuss (it always seems to be either a resounding yes or resounding no) -- the most productive sessions are the ones with contending design solutions presented or are intended for open discussion on a specific topic18:58
topoldolphm, makes sense18:58
ayoungGuang, can your two topics be combined?18:58
ayoungService Metadata/Capabilities  and  Endpoint Filtering  seem like almoste....18:58
dolphmlectures are also welcome if you're a super expert on something and are open to questions :)18:59
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dolphmbut we should always walk away with an action item or two from every session18:59
ayoungtopol, does yours tend to tie in with  Generic support for external authn/authz19:00
dolphmhrm, we're out of time19:00
dolphmswitching to -dev!19:00
topolayoung, possibly. if needed19:00
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jeblairhello ci/infra folks19:01
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jeblair#startmeeting infra19:02
openstackMeeting started Tue Mar 26 19:02:41 2013 UTC.  The chair is jeblair. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.19:02
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.19:02
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'infra'19:02
jeblair#action clarkb set up new hpcs account with az1-3 access19:03
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jeblair#topic actions from last meeting19:03
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jeblairfungi: it looks like you started on rename -drivers in gerrit to -milestone, and create -ptl groups and give them tag access19:03
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fungijeblair: yes19:03
fungi#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/3a5sCguY7B19:03
fungiworking up a plan there19:03
fungithe rename is the touchy but19:03
fungier, bit19:03
fungithe -ptl groups should be easier19:04
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jeblairttx: ^ fyi19:04
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fungittx also opened a related bug19:04
fungi#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/116027719:04
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1160277 in openstack-ci "Groups have similar names in LP and gerrit but are no longer synced" [Undecided,New]19:04
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funginot much else to add on that at the moment19:05
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jeblairfungi: cool.  definitely think the sql query is the way to go there.  :)19:05
fungii think we can maybe announce it for a very short window, or no window19:05
fungishould only impact things like +2/approve and only for a few minutes19:05
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fungi#action fungi finish working on -milestone/-ptl group changes19:06
jeblairfungi: yeah, i don't think i'd bother scheduling an outage; just maybe announce that the names have changed19:06
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jeblairfungi: it's possible that if you use the webui there would be no affect (as i believe that it updates the acls simultaneously)19:07
fungioh, interesting. i'll test that19:07
jeblairfungi: but either way, i think the effect is too small to bother people with.19:07
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jeblairzaro: ping19:08
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zarowas there a question?19:09
jeblairgearmand; it's running on zuul.o.o now, right?19:09
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zaroactually i haven't checked yet.19:10
zarofungi, do you know?19:10
jeblairi just logged in an looked; it seems to be running19:10
fungizaro: it was there when i looked, yes19:10
jeblairzaro: how's your jenkins-dev testing going?19:10
jeblair#topic gearman19:10
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zaroit's going well. haven't found any new bugs19:11
zaroon jenkins-dev anyways.19:11
fungizaro: you want to link to your test plan etherpad?19:11
zaroonly new things to report this week is that jenkins-gearman plugin is now hosted on jenkinsci19:11
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zarosent brian an email asking about gearman cancel feature but have not gotten a reply.19:12
zarosupposedly he just needs to get it passed CI.19:13
zarohe says feature is complete on his dev branch.19:13
zaroother than those news i've added some tests for the plugin.  unit and integration.19:14
jeblairit sounds like that's the only thing we're waiting on before we start hooking it into zuul19:14
zarofungi: it's not a real test plan. so i won't bother linking to the etherpad.19:14
zarowe can do some prelim testing with it though if you would like to do that.19:15
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zarojust without the cancel feature.19:15
zarothe cancel gearman job feature has nothing to do with the gearman-plugin.19:16
zarocancel will be done on zuul clients.19:16
pleia2we're still here19:17
zarosorry, not used to silence during meeting.19:18
fungiwe're a quiet bunch19:18
jeblairand we're waiting on krow, so there's not much more to say19:18
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zarowhat do you think about hooking up to prod jenkins for testing?19:19
jeblairafter the release19:19
zarook, when is that again.19:19
fungiwe're in a bit of a self-imposed slushy-freeze rsn, i assume19:19
jeblairzaro: april 419:20
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jeblairzaro: though i don't think we'll do much testing in production19:21
jeblairzaro: at most, we'll install the plugin and make sure it doesn't have any adverse effects; i think the first time it's going to get used on the production server is when zuul starts sending it jobs19:21
jeblairzaro: we'll test zuul development against jenkins-dev.19:22
zarosounds good.19:22
jeblair#topic pypi mirror/requirements19:23
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jeblairwe just merged a change that will switch all the slaves to using our mirror exclusively19:23
jeblairand i have a change in progress to move building that mirror to two jenkins slaves (for 26 and 27) which will then put the mirror on static.o.o19:24
jeblairafter that, i think we'll swing back around and set up some gating jobs for the requirements repo19:24
jeblairany questions about that?19:25
fungiis the plan to remove things from the openstack-specific mirror over time as they no longer fall within the requirements allowances?19:25
jeblairfungi: that's not in the short-term plan.  we should definitely talk about that at the summit19:26
fungior is just making sure that the requirements for a given project fall within the global requirements for the release they're on sufficient?19:27
fungiyeah, worth a discussion19:27
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jeblair#topic baremetal testing19:28
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pleia2so, I had a good chat with devananda about this yesterday19:28
pleia2the first step we need to do here is get diskimage-builder into our testing infrastructure19:29
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pleia2turns out SpamapS has done some work on this, adding tox.ini and making some other changes: https://github.com/stackforge/diskimage-builder/19:29
pleia2which should mostly satisfy the "check python stuff" requirement19:30
pleia2there's also testing 1) whether it can create an image of a specific type (image exists, exit status 0) and 2) that it boots19:30
pleia2this is were I'll need help, I haven't yet written a jenkins job and I'm not sure how our infrastructure will strictly support this19:31
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jeblairpleia2: is anyone helping you on that?19:32
* ttx waves19:32
zarowhat do you mean by writing jenkins job?19:33
pleia2zaro: well, the test19:33
pleia2I assume jenkins would be the one to build these images19:34
jeblairpleia2: can you be more specific about what you're concerned about?  jenkins can run shell scripts.  what other infrastructure is needed?19:34
zaroohh.  you mean creat a job in jenkins to test something?19:34
zaroif so i can help there19:34
pleia2jeblair: creating the image shouldn't be a problem, but then it needs to launch these VMs and do further tests - so it needs a VM that runs the test, then it creates another VM and launches it19:35
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jeblairpleia2: the devstack-gate management jobs launch vms, so you might use that as a model19:36
pleia2ok, I'll take a look there19:36
jeblairpleia2: and in fact, the image-update job launches a vm, configures it, creates an image, and then deletes the vm.19:37
jeblairpleia2: is there an overall plan written down somewhere?19:37
pleia2only vaguely in the bug report19:38
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1082795 in openstack-ci "Add baremetal testing" [High,Triaged]19:38
jeblair#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-ci/+bug/108279519:38
jeblairpleia2: the thing i don't understand is how we use an image from dib.19:39
jeblairpleia2: we can't boot machines from a glance server in our public clouds, so i think we'd have to do the thing where we boot a public image and then sync that to the image from dib19:40
pleia2mordred's idea was to stash it in glance and then when devstack-gate is run it runs a different script which pulls that image from glance instead of doing its image-update thing19:40
jeblair(i forget what robert calls that)19:40
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jeblairhonestly, that sounds slow to me, but i haven't seen it in action.  :)19:41
pleia2well, I think this will only be important for the "baremetal" one, since demo is run tripleo style19:41
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pleia2(demo is another image we'll test building with dib)19:42
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jeblairpleia2: i'm happy to help with overcoming technical obstacles, but you may have to go to mordred if you find you're missing an architectural piece.19:43
pleia2jeblair: ok, thanks19:43
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pleia2I'll poke around jenkins and see if I can get some drafts for these tests in place too, seeing as I have no familiarity with it yet :)19:44
jeblairpleia2: you'll want to read up on jenkins-job-builder19:44
jeblair#link http://ci.openstack.org/jenkins-job-builder/19:44
jeblair#topic releasing git-review19:44
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jeblairfungi: ?19:44
fungimordred wanted to wait for his rebase configuration patch19:45
fungihe and saper are still hashing out that pair of intertwined patches, it seems19:45
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fungithere was more work done on them over the weekend19:45
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fungii'm strongly inclined to let those wait for the next release and go ahead and tag one in the interim19:46
jeblairon a related note, this has just reminded me to tag zuul
jeblair#topic open discussion19:47
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jeblairanyone have anything else they would like to chat about?19:48
ttxbug 115761819:48
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1157618 in openstack-ci "swift-tarball job produces incorrectly-versioned tarballs" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/115761819:48
ttxi discussed it with mordred19:48
ttxWe'll work around it manually for the remaining swift rcs19:48
jeblairi believe he promised all projects would have the new versioning code by the release.  :(19:48
ttxfungi: so i'll use your rename powers19:48
fungittx: i'll be happy to lend them19:48
fungimy rename powers consist of 'ssh tarballs.o.o sudo mv foo bar'19:49
ttxthat's all I need :)19:50
ttxbug 1160269 is probably completed19:50
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1160269 in openstack-ci "stable/essex is maintained by ~openstack-essex-maint" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/116026919:50
fungittx: did you respond to my question for clarification there?19:50
ttxfungi: yes19:50
fungiokay, cool. lp e-mail is sometimes sloooow19:50
fungiokay, awesome. marking released19:51
ttxthat's all I had19:51
jeblairttx: is diablo dead yet?19:51
ttxjeblair: for some definition of dead, yes19:51
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ttxjeblair: our position was that it's alive as long as someone cares about it19:52
ttxjeblair: i.e. as long as openstack-diablo-maint is staffed19:52
ttxbut i think in practice it's pretty dead now19:52
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jeblairokay, we should think about removing it from infrastructure soon...  maybe a summit chat.  :)19:53
ttxwe do security for essex and folsom19:53
ttxtehre is a session on stable branches at the summit19:53
jeblaircool, it can wait till then i think.19:53
jeblairit won't be much deader by then.19:54
fungijust as a heads up, i'm going to be continuing this as an employee of the openstack foundation after next week... so don't try to e-mail me at my hp.com address (not that i ever checked it regularly anyway)19:54
jeblairfungi: congratulations!19:54
fungithanks jeblair19:55
pleia2congrats fungi!19:55
zarofungi: congrats!19:55
fungii appreciate your support19:55
zarofungi: i never even know you had an hp email.19:56
jeblairon that note: thanks everyone!19:56
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fungizaro: i barely remembered i had one19:56
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ttxNo TC meeting this week, next TC meeting next week.19:57
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ttxRelease meeting in 63 min19:57
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bcwaldonttx: have outgoing PTLs been officially replaced on the TC?20:51
ttxbcwaldon: not really yet. they start next week20:51
ttx(the new PTLs)20:51
bcwaldonttx: ok, so markwash is officially a TC member next tuesday20:51
ttxone less meeting ;)20:52
ttxwhich makes me thing, I need to get them on the ML20:52
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ttxmarkmc, heckj/dolphm, notmyname, bcwaldon/markwash, jgriffith, vishy/russellb, gabrielhurley, danwent/markmcclain: around ?21:00
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ttxcan't wait until that transition is over.21:00
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ttxonly missing cinder, let's start21:01
ttx#startmeeting project21:01
openstackMeeting started Tue Mar 26 21:01:24 2013 UTC.  The chair is ttx. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.21:01
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.21:01
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'project'21:01
ttxmarkmc: better get used to it :)21:01
ttxmarkwash: better get used to it :)21:01
ttxthis invasion of the marks is going to be a disaster i tell you21:01
ttxUsual agenda @ http://wiki.openstack.org/Meetings/ProjectMeeting21:02
ttx#topic General announcements21:02
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ttx#info TC direct seats voting under way, don't forget to vote, voting ends Thursday21:02
ttx#info Last week to suggest sessions for the Havana Design Summit in Portland21:02
ttx#link http://summit.openstack.org/21:02
ttxmarkmc, jeblair/mordred, annegentle, sdague/davidkranz/jaypipes: Anything from Stable/CI/QA/Docs teams ?21:02
markmc#info 2012.2.4 RC due next week: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-stable-maint/2013-March/000353.html21:03
ttxaw. Can't I sleep all next week ?21:03
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ttxmarkmc: isn't that the week after next ?21:03
jeblairttx: the pypi mirror --21:03
ttx"2012.2.4 is due for release on 2013-04-11"21:03
sdaguettx: I don't think anything from QA21:03
markmcttx, I said RC next week :)21:03
ttxah. eh21:04
davidkranzttx: We need to coordinate the process/qa tracks for overlap.21:04
jeblairttx: we're using our local pypi mirror exclusively for tests now, and it's generated from the requirements repo.21:04
davidkranzttx: You can schedule first and I'll work around it.21:04
ttxdavidkranz: no kidding. Lots of overlap. I'll try to make a pass with mordred and then we can discuss21:04
markmcjeblair, w00t!21:04
ttxdavidkranz: will be in touch21:04
davidkranzttx: Sound good.21:04
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ttxjeblair: awesome news21:05
ttxanything more before we switch to per-project updates ?21:06
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annegentleDefinitely need more doc patches, though the queue has been steady for reviews.21:06
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ttxannegentle: less activity on the RC bug front, I hope that will translate into docs/releasenotes efforts now21:06
ttx#topic Oslo status21:07
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ttxNot so much movement around here, which is good...21:07
ttxmarkmc: Anything in oslo-incubator stable/grizzly that should definitely be copied to projects ?21:07
markmcyeah, all quiet21:07
markmcjust triaging a couple of bugs here, but nothing major21:07
ttxLooking at the Design summit, you have 13 proposals for 12 slots, not too bad21:08
ttxI may suggest moving the session on Db migrations to oslo though21:08
ttx(from process)21:08
ttxwe'll adjust21:08
markmcthis is the main stable/grizzly issue in oslo atm: https://code.launchpad.net/bugs/115817921:08
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1158179 in nova/folsom "Lockutils - deletes directory rendering locks invalid" [High,Confirmed]21:08
ttxProcess/QA/Oslo is all a bit overlapping21:09
ttxmarkmc: that one was adopted by most projects, I think21:09
markmcI don't think there's much oslo atm that could move to process/qa21:09
markmcpretty confident we'll have roughly the right number of talks for slots21:09
markmcunless there's a deluge of latecomers21:09
ttxAnything else on the oslo topic ?21:09
markmcwill merge some of the rpc one's together21:09
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markmcnope, that's it ... thanks21:09
ttx#topic Keystone status21:10
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ttxheckj/dolphm: o/21:10
ttx#link https://launchpad.net/keystone/+milestone/grizzly-rc221:10
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ttxBug 1160504 was recently added21:10
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1160504 in keystone "Grizzly v2 catalog has slight formatting changes compared to Folsom" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/116050421:10
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ttxdolphm: When was this format actually changed ?21:10
dolphmyes, it was changed to match spec -- considering reversing that patch now21:10
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dolphmand simply filing the discrepancy away as won't fix21:11
ttxyeah, if it's lived for 6 months it's probably safer21:11
ttxwhen was this format "fixed" ? any idea ?21:11
dolphmlonger -- it's probably been an issue in v2.0 since essex21:11
dolphmrecently, but i'm still digging through git log / git blame for the commit21:11
ttxDidn't see anything else with a good benefit/risk ratio on the grizzly-rc-potential list21:11
ttxso I guess when that issue is solved we should be in good shape21:12
dolphmwe're not aware of anything else at this point21:12
ttxRC2 should be ready sometimes tomorrow ?21:12
ttxLooking at the summit, you have 14 proposals for 9 slots, which sounds a bit overcrowded21:12
ttxDid you look into it yet ? Is there enough duplication for everything to fit ?21:12
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dolphmyeah, we're talking through merging sessions now, and maybe moving one or two to lightning talks which might be a better format21:13
ttxAnything more about Keystone ?21:13
dolphmdon't think so!21:13
ttxdolphm: thx!21:13
ttx#topic Swift status21:13
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ttxnotmyname: o/21:13
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ttx#link https://launchpad.net/swift/+milestone/1.8.0-rc221:14
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ttxSo what are the bugfixes you'd like to backport before final release ?21:14
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ttxStill being discussed ?21:14
notmynameI'm getting a list together. I'd like to talk to you more about that after the meeting21:15
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ttxnotmyname: sure21:15
ttxLooking at the summit, you have 13 proposals for 8 slots21:15
ttxDo you think you can make it all fit ?21:15
notmynamefun :-)21:15
ttxHmm, maybe you can borrow "some" space from Horizon21:15
notmyname13? I think it may be 1521:15
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notmynamethere are some duplicates, but we don't have space for e verything right now21:16
ttxnotmyname: indeed!21:16
ttxok, we'll see if you could get two extra slots from Horizon's allocation21:16
ttxlater in the meeting21:16
ttxIn related news, https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ReleaseNotes/Grizzly#OpenStack_Object_Storage_.28Swift.29 needs some love :)21:17
ttxAnything more on Swift ?21:17
notmynameI'll update that before the relase21:17
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ttx#topic Glance status21:17
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markwashhey hey hey21:17
ttxmarkwash: o/21:18
ttx#info Glance RC1 is still on track21:18
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ttxwill it survive?21:18
markwashI think so21:18
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ttxOn the grizzly-rc-potential list, nothing really justifying a respin yet21:18
ttxmarkwash: that would be a first ;)21:18
markwashso, that being said, I actually do like all the "high" priority rc-potential items21:19
bcwaldonttx: you're being SUCH a jerk today!21:19
ttxbcwaldon: not at all! That would be the first time a RC1 goes all the way to release.21:19
ttxNothing derogatory to Glance :)21:19
bcwaldonso we don't have anything that should block the release21:19
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ttxmarkwash: we could do a quick RC2 with all the High stuff backported, if you feel confident21:20
bcwaldonso it depends on how hardcore you want to be about release blockers being required to respin21:20
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ttxbcwaldon: At this point, not so hardcore. But as time passes by, I get more hardcore21:20
ttxwhich is why doing it now might be a good idea21:20
markwashttx: should we revisit it next week, see if any of those are "fix committed" ?21:20
ttxwhile it's still possible21:20
bcwaldonI don't want to scramble to fix a bunch of bugs knowing rc2 is a potential21:20
ttxmarkwash: I'd rather not touch anything next week.21:21
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bcwaldonso I only want to consider bugs fixed in master21:21
ttxbcwaldon: agreed21:21
bcwaldonok - so let's keep marking things as rc-potential and revisit this next week21:21
markwashyou guys are the pros, I think we can live without any of those fixes21:21
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ttxbcwaldon: hmm21:22
bcwaldonok - that's enough rabble from the glance crew21:22
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ttxbcwaldon: next week i'd like to minimize disturbance to the force, which means only accepting critical issues21:22
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markwashttx: if I ping you later this week, could we land a few in an rc2?21:23
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ttxbcwaldon: so it might actually be a good idea to push the fixes for the "nice to have but not critical" in a RC2... like before THursday21:23
bcwaldonwe can queue it up, even if we don't release it21:23
bcwaldonwhat branch should we propose fixes to?21:23
markwashbefore == during? :-D21:23
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ttxbcwaldon: i can open a RC2 window, then you just propose to milestone-proposed21:23
ttxi'll approve anything that's fixed in master and targetd to RC221:24
ttx#action ttx to open glance rc2 window21:24
ttxfor the last rounbd of "nice to have" fixes21:24
ttxLooking at the summit, you have 2 proposals for 5 slots21:25
ttxhow many do you think you'll end up needing ? We could give one extra slot to Cinder or Ceilometer21:25
markwashI also have some private input that I will be redirecting to the summit site21:25
markwashand I need to propose something myself :-/21:25
ttxoh, ok21:25
ttxplease do :)21:25
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ttxYou should also plan to spend some time improving https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ReleaseNotes/Grizzly#OpenStack_Image_Service_.28Glance.2921:25
markwashI think we should keep all 5 for now. . its not like 5 is being greedy21:25
ttxnot really, agreed21:26
ttxAnything more on Glance ?21:26
markwashI'd like to have a weekly glance core meeting21:26
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markwashfor blueprint triage, etc21:26
ttxmarkwash: ok, pick an hour and edit the Meetings wikipage21:26
markwash#action markwash to schedule glance weekly meetings21:27
ttxmarkwash: anything else ?21:27
markwashthat's it21:27
ttx#topic Quantum status21:27
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ttxmarwash: thx!21:27
ttxdanwent/markmcclain: hi!21:27
ttx#info Quantum RC2 was published early this morning21:28
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ttxOnly bug 1160431 was suggested as grizzly-rc-potential bugs so far21:28
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1160431 in quantum "router.interface.{create|delete} notifications do not include the router or tenant IDs" [Wishlist,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/116043121:28
ttxso at this point this looks like a winner21:28
markmcclainyeah.. we are looking into other issue reported today21:29
markmcclainbut there's not a bug for it yet21:29
ttxok, well we'll see21:29
ttxLooking at the summit, you have 17 proposals for 22 slots21:29
ttxHow advanced are you for that ? Expecting more stuff being submitted ?21:29
markmcclainyeah.. I expect several more to be filed… we've been emphasizing release docs over proposals21:30
ttxok, so you'll definitely have use for your 22 slots ?21:30
markmcclainyeah.. some of the topics will be too big to fit into a single slot21:30
ttxDon't forget to edit https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ReleaseNotes/Grizzly#OpenStack_Network_Service_.28Quantum.29 at some point21:30
ttxAnything else on Quantum ?21:31
markmcclainthat's it21:31
ttx#topic Cinder status21:31
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jgriffithHey there21:31
ttxjgriffith: hi!21:31
ttxThe RC2 rstlibectomy was incomplete so we need to respin21:31
ttx#link https://launchpad.net/cinder/+milestone/grizzly-rc321:31
ttxAnything else from the grizzly-rc-potential buglist you'd like to include before we tag ?21:32
jgriffithyes, quick before something else comes up :)21:32
jgriffithI think we're in good shape as of right now21:32
jgriffithThe additional items don't warrant it IMO21:32
ttxwant me to tag after meeting ? Or tomorrow morning if nothing was targeted to it yet ?21:32
jgriffithI'm fine either way21:32
jgriffithIt's been very quiet in Cinder channel today21:33
jgriffithMy testing seems pretty good so far21:33
jgriffithI don't anticipate anything that's critical21:33
ttxWill tag tomorrow morning if it's still clean (everythign targeted beingcompleted)21:33
jgriffithworks for me21:33
jgriffithHopefully I won't regret my optimism21:33
ttx#action ttx to tag cinder rc3 tomorrow morning if still ok21:33
ttxLooking at the summit, you have 16 proposals for 11 slots21:34
ttxpretty busy21:34
jgriffithI'll be combining a few21:34
ttxhopefully there is enough duplication, yeah21:34
jgriffithshouldn't have a problem fittin gthem21:34
jgriffithfitting them21:34
ttxCool. Anything more in Cinder ?21:34
jgriffithDon't think so21:34
ttxjgriffith: thx!21:34
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ttx#topic Nova status21:34
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ttxvishy/russellb: o/21:34
ttx#link https://launchpad.net/nova/+milestone/grizzly-rc221:35
russellbhi there.21:35
ttx2 fixes left to backport...21:35
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ttxdansmith suggested bug 1160489 -- I'm not sure the benefit/risk trade-off is worth it21:35
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1160489 in nova "periodically seeing KeyError: 'old_instance_type_memory_mb' in compute.log" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/116048921:35
russellbI just proposed those 221:35
ttxThis patch is screaming "danger" all over, and it looks like a corner case...21:35
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ttxvishy/russellb: thoughts ?21:35
* russellb is looking at it21:36
ttxjust approved your two backports21:37
russellbguess we can take it as an action to review this21:37
ttxwe can discuss 1160489 off-meeting yes21:37
ttx7 bugs on the grizzly-rc-potential list, nothing jumping as particularly critical21:37
vishyalso considering https://review.openstack.org/#/c/24863/21:37
vishyand https://review.openstack.org/#/c/25072/21:37
ttxyeah, been wondering how sfae that was (24863)21:38
vishyi guess i could add those to rc-potential21:38
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russellbvishy: seems fine to me ... the performance difference was pretty sad21:38
ttxvishy: both look reasonable to me, feel free to target21:38
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russellband 25072 is pretty low risk21:38
ttxyeah, you should squeeze those before I start being overly conservative21:39
ttxas long as we do that RC2 before Thursday those should be fine21:40
ttxI think zul proposed some of those21:40
ttxvishy: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/25399/21:41
ttxLooking at the summit, you have 43 proposals for 31 slots21:41
ttxHopefully enough duplication in proposals to allow merging...21:41
russellbyeah ...21:41
ttxsince we can't make the Nova space larger than 4 days.21:41
russellbi've pushed some off to the unconference track21:41
russellbthere's opportunity for combining and merging stuff, too21:42
russellbespecially in the scheduler area21:42
russellbwill have no problem filling the 4 days, that's for sure.21:42
ttxAny other question on Nova ?21:42
russellblast resort, saying no to stuff that seems non-controversial enough to just be a -dev thread21:42
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ttxrussellb: or you can have a catch-all session where you merge 5 non-controversial ones21:43
russellbyeah, that's not a bad idea21:43
ttxgiving each their ( minutes of fame21:43
russellbi'll keep that in mind, thanks21:43
ttx#topic Horizon status21:43
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ttxgabrielhurley: hey21:43
ttx#link https://launchpad.net/horizon/+milestone/grizzly-rc221:44
gabrielhurleyI blame nova21:44
ttxalways a safe bet21:44
gabrielhurleyintroducing a new quota at the last moment21:44
* gabrielhurley shakes his fist21:44
russellbgabrielhurley: just published a new novaclient release21:44
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gabrielhurleybut it was a chance to fix a couple I'd had my eye on21:44
gabrielhurleyrussellb: thanks. was gonna ask.21:44
russellbyep - 2.12.021:44
russellbhas the new quota support21:44
gabrielhurleyyep. we'll fix that asap21:45
ttxSo... 4 bugs on list, still needing master fixes21:45
gabrielhurleyanyhow, RC2 is still quite small, and I don't expect it to grow, particular.ly21:45
markmcclaingabrielhurley: might want to look at this one for RC2: https://bugs.launchpad.net/quantum/+bug/116058021:45
ttxgabrielhurley: ETA for RC2 completion ?21:45
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1160580 in quantum "Allow extensions already implemented in Quantum  in Brocade plugin" [Undecided,New]21:45
ttxwould be good to lock it down by Thursday21:45
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gabrielhurleymarkmcclain: way to pull out a brand new bug. I'll read it in more detail, but yeah, it might make the cut21:46
gabrielhurleyttx: end of week21:46
gabrielhurleythursday should be fine21:46
ttxLooking at the summit, you have 2 proposals for 7 slots21:46
markmcclaingabrielhurley: sorry just got it this afternoon21:47
gabrielhurleyrefresh ;-)21:47
gabrielhurleyit's 5/7 now. I proposed some of the ones the other projects said they wanted but hadn't opened yet21:47
ttxFor the curious, secret URL at http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/topicstatus21:47
gabrielhurleyI'd like to hold off on giving up the last two slots until anyone else who wants to propose topics has had the chance21:48
gabrielhurleyI'm gonna remind again at the hroizon meeting after this21:48
gabrielhurleyit sounded like folks wanted to last week, but I didn't see any come in21:48
ttxgabrielhurley: OK. notmyname could use one or two more, if you don't need them21:48
gabrielhurleyI'll keep that in mind21:48
ttxSometimes this week you should start improving https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ReleaseNotes/Grizzly#OpenStack_Dashboard_.28Horizon.2921:48
gabrielhurleyah yes. I always publish them to horizon's docs and forget to add them to the wiki21:49
ttxAnything more on Horizon ?21:49
gabrielhurleynope, that's everything.21:49
ttx#info Horizon RC2 ready by Thursday/Friday21:49
ttx#topic Incubated-in-Grizzly/Integrated-in-Havana projects21:50
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ttx#info Heat has its RC1 published21:50
ttx#info Ceilometer had its RC1 publiched earlier today21:50
ttxpublished, even21:50
sdakewe had a recent suggestion for backports - hasn't been approved yet21:50
ttxsdake: ping me if you want to respin21:50
sdakewill do21:50
ttxI'll open the RC2 page for you21:51
ttx(if you ask)21:51
sdakei can handle it unless you prefer ;)21:51
ttxsdake: there is a small trick. You need to enter the right "short name" becasue it's used by some scripts :)21:51
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ttxbut yeah, you can do it if I'm not available21:52
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ttxjd__, sdake: anything else ?21:52
ttxok then21:53
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gabrielhurley#startmeeting horizon22:01
openstackMeeting started Tue Mar 26 22:01:50 2013 UTC.  The chair is gabrielhurley. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.22:01
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.22:01
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gabrielhurley#topic general updates22:02
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gabrielhurleySo, we've got an RC2 on our hands22:02
gabrielhurleythat's okay22:02
gabrielhurleythankfully most of the fixes are already in progress22:02
gabrielhurleythis new bug that came up during the previous meeting is confusing the heck out of me though... I'll talk about that in a minute22:02
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gabrielhurleyanyhow, the goal is to get RC2 back down to zero by EOD Thursday22:03
gabrielhurleyso keep an eye on the reviews22:03
jpichShould RC2 bug be submitted to master first or to the milestones proposed branch directly?22:04
gabrielhurleyI was just typing that :-)22:04
gabrielhurleyto master first22:04
gabrielhurleythen backport to the milestone-proposed branch22:04
jpichOk :)22:04
jpichafter it's approved on master?22:04
gabrielhurleythe one to proposed should at least not be merged until the one to master is22:04
gabrielhurleybut if you don't mind re-spinning both PRs if something needs changing you can propose both at the same time22:05
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gabrielhurleyanyhow, otherwise things are generally stable, and the only other topic of note is that anyone who wants to propose summit topics needs to do so this week22:06
gabrielhurley#topic bugs and blueprints22:07
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gabrielhurleyso, I'm a bit lost on https://bugs.launchpad.net/quantum/+bug/116058022:07
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1160580 in quantum "Allow extensions already implemented in Quantum  in Brocade plugin" [Undecided,New]22:07
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gabrielhurleyI'm gonna follow up with the quantum folks, but I *think* we need another setting to control for this quantum plugin's differences.22:07
gabrielhurleyI'm just not sure what those differences actually are yet.22:08
gabrielhurleyreading the ticket leads me to believe it's a floating IP issue, but an email thread on the topic sounded more like a router issue.22:08
gabrielhurleyI'm not sure.22:08
gabrielhurleyHowever, if the change is invasive I'm actually not gonna take it for RC2, just FYI.22:08
gabrielhurleyI'd rather release note that a specific quantum plugin is not compatible than risk breaking everything.22:08
gabrielhurleyanybody else got bugs they're concerned about or think might deserve to be fixed in RC2?22:09
gabrielhurleyI'll take the silence as no. feel free to raise them in the next section if needed.22:10
gabrielhurley#topic open discussion22:11
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gabrielhurleyThis is mostly a quiet week, so I don't have a lot that needs discussing22:11
gabrielhurleyI'm open to talking about bugs, or about Havana stuff22:11
gabrielhurleyor summit ideas22:11
gabrielhurleywhatever y'all have on your minds22:11
cody-somervilleI've proposed http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/details/196 - discussion for folks who build/extend Horizon.22:11
gabrielhurleyI approved that one as soon as I saw it. I usually am the one to open that session, and it's always useful, so I'm happy to see someone else beat me to it. :-)22:13
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david-lyleI'm curious there is a blueprint https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/global-ajax-communication is there any concrete plan to get there, or would this be a good discussion topic?22:14
cody-somervilleI'm helping some internal folks at HP who have been modifying an old version of Horizon for their purposes get on top of the latest and greatest. They're definitely testing the limits of Horizon. I believe one or two of these folks will be at said session so I think it'll be a good opportunity to get food feedback.22:14
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gabrielhurleycody-somerville: awesome. I've done a lot of hacking on horizon outside of the "OpenStack Dashboard" context and that's lead to some useful things that landed in master, so I'm always interested in seeing where other people find pain points.22:15
gabrielhurleydavid-lyle: yes and no, lemme explain22:15
cody-somervilleThere is both the case of using Horizon outside of OpenStack dashboard and also highly customizing the OpenStack Dashboard.22:15
gabrielhurleyThat particular blueprint is sort of a placeholder. It was proposed a while back and quickly got drowned in overscoping.22:16
gabrielhurleythere was a desire to make it a blueprint about all of ajax and real-time everything, and it died on the vine.22:16
gabrielhurleyHowever, I opened this session topic: http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/edit/21022:16
gabrielhurleywhich aims to look at "now that we're a lot farther down the road, can we actually make real-time data-driven interactions happen in Horizon?"22:17
gabrielhurleyso I think that blueprint would fit in as an aspect of that session22:17
david-lylegabrielhurley: I get forbidden with that link22:17
gabrielhurleycody-somerville: both are true and valid, absolutely.22:17
david-lylenevermind found22:17
gabrielhurleydavid-lyle: let's try http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/details/21022:17
gabrielhurleyah, I see you got it22:17
david-lyleok, that sounds good22:18
cody-somervillegabrielhurley: Sorry, I meant specifically that there is a group at HP that *is* using Horizon in both capacities.22:18
gabrielhurleyyeah, I figured22:19
david-lylethe other big item I don't see is Keystone v322:19
gabrielhurleyhmmm... a session strictly on that would be good, actually.22:19
gabrielhurleyI'd like to discuss both v3 API and multi-region/multi-endpoint stuff.22:19
gabrielhurleydavid-lyle: you wanna propose that session?22:19
gabrielhurley(it looks bad when I propose everything)22:19
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gabrielhurleygood idea on that22:20
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gabrielhurleyI feel like Horizon should just have X slots at the summit where X is the number of "integrated" projects, and each project gets a slot. lol.22:21
gabrielhurley"How can we better serve your project?"22:21
gabrielhurleyokay. anybody else have thoughts?22:22
cody-somervilleOne thing that has struck me is that the OpenStack Dashboard in some ways is almost like an example implementation of Horizon. I think it would be useful for this to be reframed. I believe openstack_dashboard should be implemented in such a way that it is highly reusable so that one can do highly customized *openstack* dashboards, not just extended openstack dashboards.22:22
gabrielhurleycody-somerville: hmmmm... I see your point22:22
gabrielhurleyboth are very valuable22:22
jpichI wonder if a session on testing would be useful. The unit tests can be quite complex for new contributors to get their head around, and from another angle we could also use improvements on the selenium front22:22
gabrielhurleyjpich: I'd be willing to lead or co-lead that if you want to propose it. I'm nt sure how well attended it'd be, but it's absolutely useful.22:23
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cody-somervilleWould it be a tutorial or working session to improve Horizon tests? or hybrid of both?22:23
gabrielhurleycody-somerville: I think that topic could be rolled into the BoF session you listed, most likely. Do you think it deserves more?22:23
jpichCool, I'll propose it and would welcome all help on leading/directing it22:24
gabrielhurleycody-somerville: was thinking tutorial for at least a good portion of it22:24
gabrielhurleykind of a "tips and tricks"22:24
gabrielhurley'cuz I know every kind of error it can throw22:24
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jpichSounds like I'd like to attend it too then ;)22:24
cody-somervillegabrielhurley: Aye. Sounds good to both.22:25
jpichAnother question: https://bugs.launchpad.net/horizon/+bug/1157950 -- this says nova added support for fixed_ips quotas in master, folsom, and essex. Does that mean we should aim to backport the Horizon patch on folsom and essex as well?22:25
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uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1157950 in horizon "Add support for nova's new Fixed IP quota" [High,In progress]22:25
gabrielhurleyjpich: Folsom definitely... I'm not clear on supporting essex currently.22:26
gabrielhurleyI have no idea how much pain would be involved in backporting that fix to essex22:26
gabrielhurleyif it's trivial it might be worth investigating22:26
jpichI wonder if increasing the Folsom novaclient required version could cause trouble for distros?22:27
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gabrielhurleyhonestly I'm surprised the fix got ported all the way back to essex in nova22:27
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jpichI guess I'll have a look then. I'm not familiar at all with Essex22:27
gabrielhurleyjpich: it's a valid question. I'd take it to the mailing list22:27
gabrielhurleythankfully the backports don't have a hard deadline the same way the RC2 does22:27
lcheng_gabrielhurley: This might already been answered, when is the deadline for RC2? :)22:30
gabrielhurleyend of day thursday22:30
gabrielhurleyAlright folks. I'm gonna call the meeting here.22:31
gabrielhurleyI'll follow up on quantum-related issues22:31
gabrielhurleykeep working on the bugs you're each fixing22:31
lcheng_I have a patch that is ready for review master. how do I get the patch submitted for RC2?22:31
lcheng_Sorry for the last minute question..22:31
gabrielhurleylcheng_: link to the ticket?22:31
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1148372 in horizon "edit flavor deletes the flavor if special char is used" [Medium,In progress]22:31
gabrielhurleyI targeted that for to the RC2 milestone in launchpad this morning22:32
gabrielhurleyonce the review gets merged to amster we'll port it to the milestone-proposed branch22:32
lcheng_Got it.22:32
gabrielhurleyno problem22:32
gabrielhurleyalright. have a great week folks!22:32
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jpichLikewise to everyone22:33
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