Wednesday, 2013-03-27

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jgriffithDuncanT: winston-d thingee jdurgin around?16:00
thingeejgriffith: hey16:00
jgriffith#start meeting cinder16:00
winston-djgriffith: yup16:00
jgriffith#starmeeting cinder16:00
DuncanTOh, it that the time16:00
jgriffithwell that's odd16:01
DuncanTYou typoed16:01
eharneyjgriffith: dropped a t16:01
* DuncanT hands jgriffith a spare 't'16:01
jgriffith#startmeeting cinder16:01
openstackMeeting started Wed Mar 27 16:01:19 2013 UTC.  The chair is jgriffith. Information about MeetBot at
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.16:01
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: cinder)"16:01
openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'cinder'16:01
jgriffithhehe :)16:01
jgriffitheharney: To the rescue!16:01
jgriffithOk... again I neglected to update the wiki page16:01
jgriffithlemme make sure nobody else added anything :)16:01
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jgriffithNope :)16:02
jgriffith#topic RC316:02
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jgriffithSo you all likely saw we did a quick turn on an RC316:02
jgriffithhopefully that's it for Grizzly release candidates16:02
jgriffithwe found a few bugs this week that we added there, but nothing too serious16:03
jgriffithmostly the quotas stuff (thanks guitarzan)16:03
jgriffithI also threw in the fix for checking tenant in the context for quota updates16:03
jgriffithI didn't test this as much as I would've liked but it seemed to merge cleanly with our other changes and a quick test everything looked good16:04
jgriffithAnybody have anything regarding milestone-proposed/RC they want to mention?16:04
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bswartzjgriffith: the netapp bug, is not an easy fix16:05
bswartzI will wait until havana to fix it16:05
jgriffithbswartz: sounds good... go ahead and target it in launchpad if you would please (H1)16:06
DuncanTI've just got more client bugs16:06
bswartzoh ok16:06
jgriffithDuncanT: :)16:06
jgriffithSo FYI the quota changes:16:06
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j_kingjgriffith: ah, that is exactly the issue I've been working on. lol16:08
bswartzjgriffith: I'm not sure I can set the target milestone -- it's not clear in the bug UI16:08
jgriffithFor my next trick, figure out how to cherry-pick all of those back into one commit for Folsom16:08
jgriffithbswartz: No worries, I'll have a look at it16:08
jgriffithbswartz: bug number?16:08
jgriffithj_king: :)  Hopefully you haven't spent a ton of time on it16:09
jgriffithj_king: sorry... about that16:09
jgriffithinitially suo said he wouldn't be able to do it16:09
jgriffiththen it came in last week and got burried16:09
jgriffithbswartz: done16:10
j_kingjgriffith: reviewing it now and noticing that we pretty much made the exact same changes. no worries.16:10
j_kingmy patch has been sitting as a draft16:10
jgriffithbswartz: I'm wondering if you have permissions to see that...  "Milestone" column?16:10
j_kingand I've been taking too long at it16:10
jgriffithj_king: sorry bout that16:10
j_kingjgriffith: no worries. :)16:10
bswartzyeah I can see it I just can't edit16:11
jgriffithbswartz: ahh... ok16:11
jgriffithOk, so in summary... I think we have a pretty good RC16:11
jgriffithThe only core issue that is still an issue is that the secure delete on snapshots16:12
* bswartz is bereft of power on launchpad16:12
jgriffithie we're not doing it16:12
jgriffithbut given the precise bug this may be for the best16:12
jgriffithand I believe rushi may have had issues on Quantal as well16:12
jgriffithSo at this point if folks can test and document that would be fantastic16:13
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jgriffithI mostly want to look at installing via packages at this point16:13
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jgriffithmake sure we've got things well documented in openstack-docs for things like how to configure multiple back-ends, and of course your respective drivers16:14
jgriffithspeaking of which...16:14
jgriffithI seperated the cinder admin docs and driver files16:14
jgriffithplease take a look and make sure I didn't break any of your stuff in the process :)16:15
jgriffithOne other thing I noticed last night...16:15
jgriffithIt seems the sync of oslo-requires nuked eventlet from test-requires16:16
jgriffithNot an issue regarding release, but if you're trying to do testing and notice something funky there, that's why16:16
jgriffithI'll push a patch to get that put back in later16:16
thingeejgriffith: I can put in a update to openstack-infra to build the admin docs.16:16
jgriffithit's still in pip-requires, but it's needed for tests as well16:16
annegentlethingee: I have one in review I think, let me dig up the url16:17
xyang_jgriffith: where is the new doc located?  so it is not in any more?16:17
jgriffiththingee: that would be great (since I don't know how to do that anyway) :)16:17
thingeeannegentle: perfect :)16:17
jgriffithxyang_: that's what thingee is referring to is making that happen16:17
annegentlethingee: yep it merged16:17
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annegentlethingee: next step, edit the index.html in openstack-manuals/www where you want it to be linked16:18
thingeexyang_: it'll likely be moved to
jgriffithannegentle: and thingee are my heros!16:18
xyang_thingee: ok. thanks16:18
annegentlejgriffith: aw shucks16:18
* jgriffith is very excited to finally have Cinder docs!16:18
jgriffithOk... so any questions/concerns on RC and docs?16:19
jgriffith#topic encryption16:19
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jgriffithNot sure how many folks have been following discusion on the ML16:20
jgriffithI have some concerns about how this is planned to be implemented in Nova16:20
jgriffithparticularly for those of us that have or will have back-ends that implement encryption themeselves16:20
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jgriffithI talked with Laura the other day and it looks like the design will allow us to specify encryption on volume create16:21
jgriffithand we can put hooks in to modify which version/implementation is used so that should be ok16:21
DuncanTI still don't like it being in nova full stop16:21
jgriffithI still have questions about snapshots and clones, I'm labbing some stuff out with LVM to see how this may or may not work16:21
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jgriffithDuncanT: agreed!16:21
jgriffithDuncanT: I've objected on the ML as well as personally to Laura16:22
jgriffithDuncanT: The plan at this point....16:22
DuncanTI'm just looking for the thread... I'm way behind on the list16:22
jgriffithI'm going to accept the proposed encryption session to the cinder track16:22
jgriffiththere's also going to be one on the Nova track16:22
jgriffithI'm going to work with russellb and hopefully have it so the nova session isn't on a cinder day16:23
jgriffithso we can participate in both sessions and vice versa16:23
bswartzjgriffith: +116:23
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jgriffithDuncanT: the thread has digressed considerably into a discussion on key management16:23
jgriffithDuncanT: but the proposed patch is up, everyone should take a look16:24
DuncanTI'll catch up and wade in :-)16:24
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DuncanTI -1'd one patch ages ago, not been keeping up since, sorry16:24
jgriffithDuncanT: no worries16:24
russellbjgriffith: what day is cinder day16:24
russellbjgriffith: and do you want the nova one after the cinder one?16:24
jgriffithrussellb: As it stands now I beleive it's still Thursday16:24
russellbah ok16:25
russellbnova first it is16:25
jgriffithrussellb: I don't have a strong preference and I think Cinder being thurs limits the options a bit16:25
jgriffithrussellb: thanks :)16:25
xyang_jgriffith: do you have a link to the proposed patch?16:25
jgriffithxyang_: looking....16:26
kmartinjgriffith: annegentle Sorry I'm late was working away on the docs and lost track of time :) I'll have new patches up today for the feedback I got back from Anne.16:26
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jgriffithxyang_: hmm... I've lost the patch :(16:28
jgriffithxyang_: I'll have to dig through the ML to find it again16:28
xyang_jgriffith: I see this one  It is abandoned.16:28
winston-djgriffith: what do you guys think about doing volume rate-limiting on nova?16:29
jgriffithwinston-d: how do you mean?  IO?16:29
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winston-djgriffith: yup, IO16:29
jgriffithwinston-d: I'm violently opposed16:29
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DuncanTwinston-d: We want to do rate limiting somewhere. Got any proposals?16:30
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DuncanTwinston-d: We were certainly looking at doing it in the hypervisor, but the hypervisor support for it looks rather flakey16:30
jgriffithDuncanT: winston-d so I'd be more concerned about the implementation here16:31
winston-dDuncanT: ultimately i think it's best/easy to do that on Nova/hypervisor16:31
DuncanTjgriffith: It would certainly be easy to come up with something ugly :-)16:31
jgriffithDuncanT: haha :)16:31
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jgriffithSo we can definitely investigate...16:32
jgriffithbut from my experience it's a pretty complex problem and I'd be curious about the demand16:32
jgriffithIt's also lower on my priority list compared to things like encryption, migration of volumes, multi-attach etc16:32
DuncanTWe have what we think is a requirement for it, but no serious attempts at implementation or testing16:33
jgriffithalright, we should talk about it then16:34
jgriffithwinston-d: DuncanT maybe the two of you could outline exactly what you have in mind16:34
jgriffiththe use case etc16:34
winston-djgriffith: sure. will talk to DuncanT16:34
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jgriffithI do think there are some other things that are higher priority, but maybe that's not accurate16:34
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jgriffithand of course there's the obvious solution that already exists :)16:35
DuncanTOh, we want all of the above too, and the moon on a stick please, and two ponies16:35
jgriffiththree ponies!!16:35
DuncanT(The obvious solution? Source rate limiting?)16:35
jgriffithand a unicorn16:35
jgriffithDuncanT: SolidFire :)16:36
jgriffithsorry... couldn't resist16:36
jgriffithOk... since we're talking sessions16:36
jgriffith#topic summit sessions16:36
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thingeeDuncanT: I saw there was a proposal for testing. I was think making this a bit more low key unconference.16:37
jgriffithWe have 17 proposals and 11 slots16:37
jgriffiththingee: +116:37
jgriffithDuncanT: you good with that?16:37
jgriffithAlso I'd like to look at consolidating a couple that may be related16:38
DuncanTFine by me16:38
DuncanTI'm fine with having it in a bar somewhere if necessary...16:38
thingeeDuncanT: +116:38
jgriffithbar :)16:38
thingeebest unconference evar16:38
kmartinwith a Pliny in hand16:38
jgriffithDuncanT: I'd also like to combine your give/take proposal with Avishays migration proposal16:39
jgriffithI think they'll tie together if that's ok with you?16:39
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DuncanTOk. They're not very related, but I've no problem with sharing a slot... it worked out mostly fine last year16:39
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jgriffithDuncanT: hmmm.... you don't think we could leverage the work for the two?16:40
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winston-dthese two are almost identical +
DuncanTgive/take is purely ownership, it doesn't affect anything except that database16:40
DuncanTjgriffith: It doesn't need a full session though16:41
jgriffithDuncanT: agreed, but I think it *sort of* falls in the category of dynamic volumes so to speak16:41
winston-dand Avishays agree to combine those two.16:41
jgriffithDuncanT: Ok, I'll look at combining or seeing if something more logical falls out16:41
jgriffithwinston-d: looking16:41
jgriffithwinston-d: yes, for sure, those will fold in to one16:41
jgriffithI think that will put us in pretty good shape16:42
DuncanTThe plugability one requires no code changes at all but might turn into a political bunfight16:42
jgriffiththe only other one is the plugins from Chuck16:42
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jgriffithDuncanT: :)16:42
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winston-dand the independent scheduler one here isn't valid since scheduler is already independent.16:42
jgriffithI haven't gotten a good feel for the level of interest there16:42
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jgriffithI think I'll drop it if we're out of sessions16:43
jgriffithbut I'd like to talk to folks about it in Portland16:43
DuncanTSeems reasonable16:43
jgriffithexplain a bit more about what I have in mind and what Chuck is thinking there16:43
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jgriffithOk... anything else on sessions?16:43
jgriffithAnything folks thing we need to add?16:44
winston-dmaybe we can also talk about volume/task state machine in unconference?16:44
jgriffithwinston-d: OHHHH yes!16:44
j_kingwinston-d: does this have to do with co-ordination?16:45
jgriffithwinston-d: I'd like to see if we can have a true session for that16:45
* j_king interested in distributed co-ordination problems in general16:45
jgriffithI'll see if I can futz the schedule around to make that happen16:45
DuncanT+1 million16:45
DuncanTClean forgot about that, despite having pages of notes on the subject16:45
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kmartinjgriffith: I'll get you some more details on the mutli-attach next week and we can decide if we need to have a unconference session or piggy back your read-only multi-attach16:46
jgriffithkmartin: I was thinking we keep that as a formal session and collapse read-only in to it16:46
kmartinjgriffith: ok16:47
jgriffithkmartin: i think R/O would just be an option to a volume and should be pretty straight forward16:47
jgriffiththe bulk of the discussion should be multi-attach16:47
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kmartinI'll write something up next week and forward it on to you16:47
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j_kingi brought up the possibility of a python-paxos implementation at the zookeeper talk at PyCon for this sort of thing. not sure if it's applicable to what you're talking about but if there's a ML thread about it, I'll hop in. (can't be at summit)16:48
jgriffithj_king: I'd be interested16:49
jgriffithj_king: say whaaaa?16:49
jgriffithj_king: why not?16:49
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j_kingjgriffith: 4mo old daughter to take care of and I already went to pycon. ;)16:50
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j_kingplus not currently employed16:50
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jgriffithj_king: ahh.. those are good reasons16:50
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jgriffithalright, anybody have anything else?16:51
jgriffith#topic cinderclient16:51
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jgriffithJust a heads up, prioritize testing and reviews on cinderclient if you could the next couple days16:51
jgriffithI'd like to release to PyPi on Friday at the latest16:52
jgriffithok... if there's nothing else16:52
jgriffithwe'll finish at least a *little* bit early16:52
jgriffiththanks everybody... as always grab me on IRC if you want to talk about something16:52
jgriffith#end meeting16:52
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jgriffithI do that EVERY week :)16:53
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johnthetubaguy#startmeeting XenAPI17:00
openstackMeeting started Wed Mar 27 17:00:12 2013 UTC.  The chair is johnthetubaguy. Information about MeetBot at
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.17:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'xenapi'17:00
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johnthetubaguyhi, who is around for this weeks meeting?17:00
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johnthetubaguyOK, cool17:01
johnthetubaguylets get cracking...17:01
BobBallI was just saying to Mate, I might have to leave at 5 minutes past 5...17:01
johnthetubaguy#topic Actions from previous meeting17:01
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BobBallBut Mate thought that I should stay a little longer, so I will.17:01
johnthetubaguynothing to say17:02
johnthetubaguy#topic blueprints17:02
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johnthetubaguyanything from anyone here?17:02
BobBallwell before we move on17:02
BobBallthere was an action on me17:02
johnthetubaguywe all prep-ed for the summit?17:02
BobBallthat didn't get copied over from the week before17:02
BobBallin terms of updating on the iSCSI timeout17:02
* BobBall only just remembered17:02
johnthetubaguyyes, true17:02
BobBallwhat was the question again? Do you remember? or shall I go back through the logs?17:03
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johnthetubaguyyou were working on a fix I think17:03
johnthetubaguyto control the timeout17:03
matelakatBobBall to update on iSCSI timeout when there is an update17:03
BobBallthere were several iscsi timeout issues I've looked at over the last couple of weeks17:03
johnthetubaguyit was the iscsi goes down, then it takes ages to timeout17:03
BobBalloh yes17:03
johnthetubaguyinclude the SR scan17:04
BobBallthe attach issue when the conn has gone away17:04
BobBallwe think so17:04
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BobBalloh hang on - that one was a different one (!)17:04
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BobBallOkay - the one where the attach was expecting a path to exist has been fixed - but that was a RS specific issue AFAIK17:04
johnthetubaguytakes a while to detect the problem, there was a short term fix that uses the SR scan to detect failures17:05
BobBallthat bug hasn't been progressed I'm afraid17:05
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johnthetubaguywe ideally need some way to specify a timeout17:05
BobBall(there is a separate OS bug raised talking about the 120s timeout)17:05
BobBallalthough I'm struggilng to find that atm!17:06
johnthetubaguyah, you got that to hand?17:06
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uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1152401 in nova "xenapi: Detecting bad-volumes relies on 120 sec timeout" [High,Triaged]17:06
BobBall... I searched for xenapi 120 - how did that not come up?!17:07
johnthetubaguyshall I assign that to you?17:07
BobBallodd.  Anyway, that's the one.17:07
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johnthetubaguyOK, should be yours now17:07
johnthetubaguyaction sorted, tracked by a bug17:07
johnthetubaguyOK, so anything blueprinty?17:08
BobBallI had a review of the etherpad and I'm happy17:08
BobBallalthough since we're talking about it, do we have a time for the session?17:08
johnthetubaguy#topic docs17:08
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BobBallI'd like to book it in ASAP and see if James B / Guy B want to come along to sit in on the session17:09
johnthetubaguyBobBall: its not even approved yet, I think that happens much nearer the time17:09
matelakatRegarding to the docs, Release notes.17:09
matelakatOn the meeting Wiki Page, I included the stuff, that I want to flush to the release notes.17:09
matelakatCould you please add any missed stuff?17:09
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johnthetubaguyah, got ya17:10
matelakatSo far we have ConfigDrive, and XenAPINFS17:10
matelakatTHe other question.17:10
johnthetubaguyI would have to read through all the blueprints on launchpad to check17:10
johnthetubaguyis anyone fancying that?17:11
johnthetubaguyI probably should take a look anyways...17:11
johnthetubaguy#action johnthetubaguy to review blueprints for release notes17:11
johnthetubaguyany more for docs?17:11
matelakatI wanted to put only the things implemented by us / being involved in.17:11
matelakatWe are missing a step in the documentation: /boot/guest creation17:12
johnthetubaguyI meant review for xenapi related things17:12
johnthetubaguyhmm, yes, good point17:12
johnthetubaguyfor three part images17:12
matelakatI haven't pushed changes to the docs this week.17:12
matelakatY, so the q is: should it be a symlink to a subdir within the Local SR?17:12
matelakatdevstack is just creating a directory: /boot/guest17:13
matelakatOkay, so that's a devstack bug, and a documentation Todo.17:13
BobBallI'm less fussed about devstack since the local directory could be used for lots17:13
BobBallbut any directory that could contain any non-trivial amount of data should be on the SR rather than in dom017:14
matelakat#action matelakat to fix /boot/guest in devstack, and document it.17:14
johnthetubaguyyes, its not a very big deal, becuase the files there are quite small17:14
BobBall/boot/guest coul contain a whole bunch of kernels, right?17:14
matelakatI remember, it caused pains for us for broken builds.17:14
johnthetubaguyit could, yes17:14
johnthetubaguydevstack should represent best practice17:14
johnthetubaguyso I think it would be good to fix that, and make it match /images17:14
BobBallOK - then yes, create a link.  Or better yet, move it to a configurable SR17:15
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matelakatsmall steps are welcome.17:15
BobBallhard coded paths like /boot/guest and /images are bad :)17:15
johnthetubaguyof course, if you don't do three part images, then there is no need, but hey17:15
matelakatSo first, it will be a symlink.17:15
BobBallfair enough17:15
johnthetubaguyso, it turns out the kernel *must* be in /boot/guest17:15
BobBalloh really? Why's that?17:16
johnthetubaguybut clearly we could sym link somewhere sensible17:16
johnthetubaguyits a xapi restriction on the kernel boot param, I think17:16
matelakatI will try the symlink approach17:16
BobBalloh right.  Drat.17:16
johnthetubaguyworth a double check though17:16
johnthetubaguyI presume xen will follow the symlink correctly… hmm worth a test17:17
BobBallokay - we'll look into that17:17
matelakatYou could leave that with me.17:17
BobBallby we, I mean mate.17:17
johnthetubaguyhehe, cool17:17
johnthetubaguyso I guess we our out of docs stuff17:18
matelakatI believe.17:18
johnthetubaguy#topic bugs17:18
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BobBallCan I talk about a bug?17:18
johnthetubaguyOK, so I have been doing the odd bit of triage on the xenapi bugs17:18
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1160323 in nova "Cannot block migrate in xenapi with iSCSI cinder volumes attached" [Medium,In progress]17:18
johnthetubaguyOK, sure17:18
BobBalland particularly the review at:17:18
matelakatI was afraid, Bob will come up with the uuid one :-)17:19
johnthetubaguyah, yes, its on my todo list for this afternoon17:19
BobBallahhhh good - if it's on the list, then that's fine, I'm happy17:19
BobBalland the UUID one finally got in after a marathon number of comments17:19
johnthetubaguyyes, its quite frequently like that17:20
BobBall_AND_ the commit beat John's commit which probably conflicts in the test code, so I'm happy :)17:20
johnthetubaguyhehe, probably17:20
johnthetubaguyany other bugs?17:20
matelakatI guess John does frequent rebasing, so he won't be hit by Bob's change...17:20
BobBalloh yes, of course ;)17:21
johnthetubaguynah, don't both we that kind of thing17:21
matelakatI have one.17:21
matelakatIt is not really a bug.17:21
johnthetubaguyBobBall: it should prob have docimpact tag on there17:21
matelakatI have it on the Other section.17:21
johnthetubaguyOK, fire away17:22
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johnthetubaguyI see them17:22
BobBalldocimpact tag on the bug or the commit?17:22
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 903445 in nova "New xapi backend for Local Storage ISO SR" [Wishlist,Confirmed]17:22
johnthetubaguy#topic OpenDiscussion17:22
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matelakatI mean how we are doing with ISO files in general?17:22
johnthetubaguyah, very timely17:22
johnthetubaguyI have just been fixing that up17:23
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BobBallodd - wonder why I wasn't notified of that review...17:23
BobBallTypo in the commit message btw :)17:24
matelakatJohn, is that something, that should go to the docs?17:24
johnthetubaguyyes, if it works and we are happy with it17:24
johnthetubaguydone some quick testing myself17:24
matelakat#action matelakat to add to the install docs17:25
johnthetubaguyOK, thanks17:25
matelakatAre there any XS version restrictions on this tweak?17:25
johnthetubaguyturns out the unit tests for spawn were quite broken, so didn't test the ISO code path17:25
johnthetubaguymatelakat: not that I know of17:25
johnthetubaguyso next thing17:27
matelakatOther question is around Console.17:27
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1004175 in nova "XenAPI text console support" [Wishlist,In progress]17:27
johnthetubaguytext console17:27
matelakatSeems to be orphaned.17:27
matelakatNo activity since december.17:27
johnthetubaguyyes, its worth someone adopting that one I think17:28
matelakatSo it won't hit G17:28
matelakatJohn, do you think, that it could hit G?17:28
BobBallToo late for G isn't it?17:28
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johnthetubaguynothing will make G anymore17:29
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johnthetubaguyonly critical fixes right?17:29
matelakatOkaz, my bad.17:29
matelakatOkay, my bad17:29
johnthetubaguyno worries17:29
matelakatI am just overusing my time-machine.17:29
johnthetubaguythis one is really a feature, needs the blueprint bringing back to life17:29
BobBallLooks like quite a simple change I guess17:29
BobBallalthough testing it is more trick17:30
matelakatI would say, let's pick up that change.17:30
johnthetubaguyits a shame, XenServer added a feature for the serial console for OpenStack, bit it doesn't really work with what OpenStack needs.17:30
matelakatTempest has tests for it.17:30
johnthetubaguyits worth a whirl17:30
BobBallahhh I see17:30
matelakatWho wants to pick it up?17:30
BobBallWell we can't schedule when it'll be done, but we can add it to the backlog for things to pick up.  There are other higher priority things to pop off the top first17:31
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johnthetubaguysame here really17:31
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johnthetubaguystuck in a pit of resize issues at the moment17:31
matelakatNot good to hear these things... :-(17:31
BobBallParticularly since it's missed G17:31
matelakatI have another thing.17:32
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matelakatI was looking at the plugin install in devstack17:32
matelakatAnd I realised, that Quantum has changed...17:32
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matelakatSo it seems, it no longer has the traditional xapi-plugin layout.17:32
johnthetubaguynot sure what you mean17:33
matelakata sec17:33
johnthetubaguythe quantum support hasn't hit trunk yet right?17:33
johnthetubaguythere are no plugins in quantum yet, really17:33
johnthetubaguynot for xenserver anyways17:33
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johnthetubaguylol salvatore left quickly17:34
matelakatSo your saying, I cannot see that, cos it was never was there...17:34
matelakatHow stupid I am.17:34
BobBallHe's in and out - guess he has a network issue17:34
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BobBallMate laughed.  I appreciate the symapthy laugh.  Thanks,17:35
johnthetubaguyso what else we got on the list for today?17:35
BobBallI see - that change linked deletes the script Mate pointed at.17:36
matelakatAnyhow, I think I overlooked that Quantum stuff17:36
matelakatI have one thing to note.17:36
johnthetubaguykernel lock up?17:36
matelakatThe good old kernel locking issue.17:36
matelakatSo if you don't use the loopback device, the pain goes away.17:36
johnthetubaguyso you add an extra disk intead?17:36
matelakatThat's what I do in the CI.17:37
johnthetubaguyhmm, OK17:37
matelakatAnd the Jenkins weather became better.17:37
johnthetubaguycool, not sure if you are just changing the race condition, but if it works, thats all good17:37
matelakatI had tempest running in an infinite loop for a day, and no nasty kernel messages.17:37
johnthetubaguysounds good enough to me17:38
matelakatThat's all from me.17:38
johnthetubaguycool, thanks, some good updates17:38
BobBallSaw the CentOS update from yesterday too - which is looking positive17:38
johnthetubaguyvirtual hypervisor post looks interesting too,17:38
johnthetubaguyyes, took a quick look17:39
matelakatJust some shell scripts, but might be handy.17:39
johnthetubaguyits possibly a bit deep, but its good to advertise these things :-)17:39
johnthetubaguyI install XCP using openstack to test my patch :-)17:39
matelakatI am always too technical.17:39
johnthetubaguydoing an iso boot17:39
johnthetubaguycentos stuff is slowly moving forward17:40
johnthetubaguytaking a break for the mo while stuff gets fixed17:40
johnthetubaguyOK, I think we are all done?17:40
matelakaty, John, thanks.17:40
BobBallThink so17:40
johnthetubaguycool, thank you all17:40
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matelakatWhen do we see you?17:41
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johnthetubaguymatelakat: not sure, after easter now17:41
matelakatHave a good (long)  weekend!17:41
BobBallAh - interesting one - Guy Brunsdon, Senior Director of PM, has everything approved to join us at the summit now.  So there will be a great opportunity for him to find out what OpenStack wants from XenServer's future17:42
johnthetubaguyjust a heads up17:42
johnthetubaguynext week will be an hour different17:42
johnthetubaguyclocks go forward17:42
johnthetubaguyin UK17:42
BobBalloh yes :(17:42
matelakatI will use my time machine, so it's not relevant for me.17:42
BobBalland it stays that way?!17:42
johnthetubaguylol, awesome17:42
johnthetubaguyit says with UTC17:43
johnthetubaguyso its an hour later I guess17:43
BobBall6pm-7pm meeting is going to be tricky long term17:43
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johnthetubaguyits the best slot sadly, if we want US people too17:43
matelakatLet's send Bob to the US17:43
matelakatSee you all.17:44
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BobBallwell Monday's are free?17:45
BobBallI dunno how to organise meeting times but according to only Quantum has a meeting on Monday at 9pm UTC17:45
johnthetubaguyoh, possibly17:45
johnthetubaguythings must have changed!17:45
BobBallPerhaps we could discuss on mail and see if there is a better time when we and some of the guys we'd like from the US can both make it17:46
johnthetubaguyoh, wait...17:46
johnthetubaguywe didn't choose monday because that meant first thing monday for US folks17:46
BobBalloh yeah17:46
BobBallthat'd suck haha17:46
johnthetubaguyand late friday here is not awesome17:47
johnthetubaguyhmm… dajavo17:47
BobBallbut monday morning wouldn't be first thing for the states17:47
johnthetubaguywe could move to alt17:47
BobBallif it was 5-6 that'd be 11am for them17:47
BobBallnot ideal still17:47
johnthetubaguybut don't really want to class for no reason17:47
BobBallabsolutely - let's avoid a clash17:48
johnthetubaguynot for SF people17:48
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johnthetubaguyanyway, there is never a perfect time, but given who normally attends, we shouldn't be the people with the worst deal17:49
BobBallWell let's have a look17:49
* johnthetubaguy nod17:49
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BobBallTuesday might be OK too - 5-6 is available on tuesday17:50
BobBallwhich I guess is 4-5 during winter17:50
BobBallAnyway - let's move this conversation to email!17:50
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sdake#topic rollcall20:00
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sdake#startmeeting heat20:00
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sdakeslower around?20:02
sdakespamamps indicated he wouldn't make it20:02
sdake#topic doc sprint20:03
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sdakespamaps had suggested a 1 day doc sprint20:03
sdakemakes sense to me since our docs are in bad shape20:03
stevebakermight need more than a day20:03
sdakeya, well start small build up over time20:04
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sdakewould suggest getting an understanding of what the docs involve20:04
stevebakerbut yes, a doc sprint is a great idea20:04
sdakethen we can create docs in havana20:04
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stevebakerI created skeleton docs of what I thought we might need in heat/doc20:05
shardy_sorry I'm late20:05
sdakehey shardy_20:05
shardy_connectivity issues20:06
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sdakere date, lets shoot for 4th20:06
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asalkeldis there any point in doing it on one day?20:07
sdakeget exposed to it20:07
asalkeldcan't we just split up the work20:07
sdakewe aren't doing the entire docs in one day20:07
asalkeldand do it as we have time20:07
stevebakerit means people aren't tempted to code instead, and there isn't some poor sucker doing all the documentation ;)20:08
asalkeldwell we could split up the work and assign20:08
zanebstevebaker: pretty sure people will still be _tempted_ to code instead ;)20:08
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sdakefocus on 4th for docs day20:08
asalkeldelse we get a bunch of reviews  all at the same time20:09
stevebakerzaneb: have you tried coding while sprinting?20:09
asalkeldmerge issues etc...20:09
zanebstevebaker: I only ever code while sprinting20:09
stevebakermaybe Anne will hang out while we do it too, for questions20:09
sdakeannegentle^^ 4th work for you?20:10
asalkeldshe in nz/au?20:10
stevebakercalifornia usually20:10
annegentleAustin Tx :)20:10
stevebakeroops ;)20:10
sdakeannegentle: ya 4/420:10
asalkeldI vote for doing this over a week20:10
asalkeldeasy pace20:11
annegentlestevebaker: :) I don't say howdy or hey dude so how would you know? :)20:11
sdakeasalkeld: lets have a look at docs on the 4th see what it entails20:11
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sdake#topic update on moving cloudwatch into ceilo20:12
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annegentleasalkeld: you have now become my whip target20:12
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asalkeldannegentle, I am keen - just see little point to do it on one day20:13
annegentleasalkeld: :)20:13
sdakeasalkeld: any updates there20:14
asalkeldnot really, just trying to impl. juju20:14
asalkeldgetting there20:14
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sdakeyou put on agenda?20:15
sdakeUpdate on moving CloudWatch functionality into ceilometer (shardy/asalkeld)20:15
asalkeldwell it's got a heap of summit sessions20:15
zanebthis came out of a discussion I was having with shardy the other day20:15
asalkeldso after that we will do it20:16
asalkeldso there is a prototype patch in review20:16
asalkeldand we just want to nail down the design20:16
asalkeldso should have a solution soon after summit20:17
asalkeldthe main thing from heat is what api we want20:17
zanebthe question was about how data posted from the instance should be identified to ceilometer20:17
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zanebright now we are passing the alarm name, and that is *not* the way we want to proceed20:17
asalkeldzaneb, for the custom metric20:17
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zanebasalkeld: yes20:18
shardy_Also I was hoping asalkeld could give us a status update, to gauge if we can plan this work for havanna20:18
asalkeldso most won't need that (as ceilometer has heaps of meters)20:18
shardy_asalkeld: how's the monitoring/alarms stuff going in CM?20:18
asalkeldshardy_, read up20:18
asalkeldso PoC patch in review20:19
asalkeldand summit sessions20:19
shardy_asalkeld: sorry, super-laggy cellphone connection20:19
asalkeldwe will have an impl. after summit20:19
zanebasalkeld: cool, would be great to eliminate the custom metric altogether20:19
asalkeldbut won't take long20:19
zanebasalkeld: link to that review?20:19
asalkeldI'll look20:20
asalkeldmight have been pulled down20:20
asalkeldnot really the issue20:21
asalkeldit will get done20:21
asalkeldquickly once things are descided20:21
sdakeok anything else on that then zane?20:22
zanebno, that sounds cool20:22
sdake#topic open discussion20:23
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asalkeldalarm/monitoring sessions20:23
sdakepretty quiet around here prepping for ODS20:24
sdakeif there are no other topics, I'll end meeting20:24
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jd__#startmeeting ceilometer21:00
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jd__oyé oyé21:01
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jd__hi everyone, nice to see you21:02
nealph\o (right-handed)21:02
jd__let's start21:02
jd__#topic eglynn amalgemate summit alarming proposals from 5 sessions to 321:02
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jd__this is already done21:02
jd__thanks to eglynn_ I've a better understanding on how I can fit sessions together21:03
eglynn_yep we discussed a potential session amalgamation on IRC21:03
jd__btw this is the last days for submitting sessions21:03
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eglynn_... this will fall out of the mix when the session scheduling happens21:03
jd__hi yjiang5_21:03
eglynn_(sessions can't be edited by the proposer once preapproved)21:03
yjiang5_jd__: hi21:03
jd__eglynn_: you'd like to edit?21:04
jd__I can un-preapproved if you need21:04
eglynn_jd__: yep, that sounds sensible21:04
jd__but I can merge anyway later sessions with one click21:04
eglynn_fair enough, which ever is most conveneient21:04
shengjie_homejd__: does that mean we can't associate bps to the topics anymore?21:05
jd__well I think it's better for me to merge to emphasize we didn't get enough slots21:05
eglynn_jd__: cool21:05
jd__shengjie_home: if your session is preapproved, you can't, but I can un-preapprove if you ened21:05
shengjie_homejust two bps want to associate to eglynn's topic, they are going through our internal review process now21:06
jd__#info eglynn gave hints to jd__ about how to merge alarming sessions21:06
jd__shengjie_home: ok, then let's synchronize the three of us if you want to do that by the end of the week21:07
shengjie_homei guess we can take it off line when I have them ready21:07
shengjie_homejd__: cool21:07
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eglynn_shengjie_home: once your BPs are internally reviewed, feel free to pass them around for review within this group21:07
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yjiang5_shengjie_home: what's the BP about?21:07
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shengjie_homeyjiang5_:it's alarming, monitoring related, i will have them ready soon, keep u guys updated21:08
dhellmannyes, please, let's make sure we all have plenty of time to read the blueprints before the summit21:08
yjiang5_shengjie_home: thanks.21:08
jd__going on with action from last week if that's ok21:09
jd__#topic eglynn get ceilo:stable/grizzly branch set up21:09
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eglynn_so as far as I can make out, the stable branch is only cut once the final release tag is laid down21:09
shengjie_homeyjiang5_:np, we just happen to have a heavy process :( internally, sorry about the delay21:09
eglynn_so I'll re-action, assuming that's still a couple od days away ...21:10
eglynn_#action eglynn get ceilo:stable/grizzly branch set up21:10
dhellmanneglynn_: won't that happen automatically as part of the release process?21:10
asalkeldI was about to say the same21:10
jd__eglynn_: yeah I think we can only do that once we have released 2013.121:10
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jd__we just need to ping ttx to do that at some point I guess21:11
jd__he already cut milestone-proposed for us21:11
eglynn_dhellmann: not sure for ceilo, as our stable branch won't be managed by the stable-maint team for the H cycle21:11
eglynn_but I'll check with ttx in any case ...21:11
jd__eglynn_: yeah but I'd think that branch is cut by ttx -- but doesn't cost to check with him anyway21:11
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jd__the guy is nice (AND HE IS READING THIS CHANNEL)21:12
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jd__#topic jd__ Ask Nova team is a session talking about Ceilometer/Cell is worth it21:12
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jd__jd__: go ahead21:12
jd__jd__: thanks!21:12
jd__so I sent a mail to the main implementer of nova cell21:13
jd__and I didn't get any answer21:13
nealphSo do we reach out to other core devs on that team?21:13
dhellmannI know this was something sandywalsh asked about, maybe he can help get the right person's attention21:13
eglynn_both being RAX-ers and all ...21:14
jd__I don't know, in the end I may just ask on openstack-devel but not sure we'll get more attention21:14
jd__but I'll try anyway!21:14
jd__#action jd__ Send a mail on openstack-devel to get more insight about nova cell and ceilometer support to know if it's worth a session21:15
jd__#topic Release information21:15
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jd__so we released Grizzly RC121:15
asalkeld(nova session at summit?)21:15
jd__asalkeld: it has been proposed inside ceilometer, but I'd love to reassign to nova :-)21:16
eglynn_yep on the nova track if poss21:16
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eglynn_(save us one session from our quota ....)21:16
asalkeldjust to get some feedback21:16
dhellmannplus, if it's on our track, we can't be sure that anyone from nova will be there to help.21:17
dhellmannthey might have a conflicting session21:17
dhellmannso, woo! for Grizzly RC1!21:17
jd__#action jd__ reassign nova-cell/ceilometer session to nova21:17
llu-laptopwhat about python-ceilometerclient, any information about the process of releasing a client library?21:17
jd__llu-laptop: good question21:17
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jd__I *think* we can release it whenever we want21:18
jd__and that we have the power to do so21:18
dhellmannllu-laptop: I believe the release happens automatically when we push a tag up to the repository.21:18
jd__as dhellmann says21:18
dhellmannthe tag becomes the version number21:18
jd__I think we should do a first release, for the sake of releasing21:18
jd__who's up for that?21:18
llu-laptopand that tag will automatically trigger a new version on pypi?21:19
jd__and who's for doing it?21:19
dhellmannllu-laptop: yes21:19
jd__llu-laptop: yes, everything is automagic in openstack!21:19
asalkeldI can, what's the version21:19
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eglynn_whoever ends up doing the release, it would be good to capture the recipe on the wiki21:20
dhellmannthat seems reasonable21:20
eglynn_(so that anyone else can easily run the incantations next time ... )21:20
esdanieli was going to say, i'd like to be around to follow the steps, could document for the releaser (asalkeld)21:20
jd__1.0.0 sounds fine indeed21:20
asalkeldcool, I'll do it today21:21
asalkeldand document21:21
asalkeldsounds like "git tag & git push"21:21
jd__#action asalkeld to release python-ceilometerclient 1.0.0 and document the release process21:21
asalkeld(I have a review in client)21:22
jd__asalkeld: that's exactly what Bilbo said with the ring thing etc, and see what happened then!21:22
jd__be prepared buddy21:22
asalkeldany reviewers
asalkeld(before releasing)21:23
jd__asalkeld: I'll take a look21:23
eglynn_asalkeld: I'll take a look after meeting21:23
jd__#topic Open discussion21:23
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asalkeldI have some questions21:24
asalkeldwhy do we not record the resource type21:24
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dhellmannI think we assumed it was implicit with the meter type21:24
asalkeldso you can query on resource_type=Instance|whatever21:24
dhellmannI'm starting to think we may want it now, though21:25
jd__because we didn't see the need back then, and because it's not standardize, a bit the same problem we had with units21:25
asalkeldcan we record the create/destroy timestamps?21:25
jd__but I agree that wouldn't be something stupid21:25
yjiang5_will different resource type have same meter type?21:25
jd__yjiang5_: probably?21:26
jd__asalkeld: how, why?21:26
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asalkeldso I can see what instances we created in the last X mins/hours21:26
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asalkeldis that useful to others?21:26
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asalkeldI wanted to make a "dashboard" for ceilo cliet21:27
dhellmannthat does seem like it would be useful21:27
asalkeldso you can see what is happening on your cloud21:27
asalkeldwhat has been created/destroyed21:27
dhellmannwhat we did for billing was just find the resources that had been updated in the last X minutes21:27
asalkeldwhat are the busy instances21:27
dhellmannbut that doesn't tell the same thing21:28
eglynn_how much change would be involved to set the resource_type across the board?21:28
dhellmannI believe the stacktach guys are saving the create/delete timestamps separately, too21:28
jd__asalkeld: I think it's a good idea, but I don't think we can store this as it is right now21:28
jd__I mean, it does require a certain amount of change in the storage drivers21:28
* eglynn_ wonder if too invasive to sneak into an RC221:28
jd__we can't store that as 'meters'21:28
asalkeldso in the db we could see if it exists21:28
dhellmanneglynn_: yeah, this would definitely be a havana change21:29
shengjie_homeit does, also counter obj needs to be changed to have resource type21:29
asalkeld(and have a create date)21:29
asalkeldso there is no rush for this21:29
asalkeldjust an idea21:29
dhellmannpart of the trouble is the event being given to the storage driver has the details stripped21:29
asalkeldnice selling point for ceilo21:29
jd__asalkeld: sounds like a good one, you should start by creating a bp I guess21:29
dhellmannso we don't know that it was a create or a delete, just an update21:29
jd__dhellmann: we can build a new interface to the storage driver for that?21:30
asalkeldcool, I'll make a bp21:30
jd__dhellmann: I mean just changing the/adding a record function21:30
asalkeldI think it's not a bad idea to be explicit about resource management21:30
dhellmannjd__: I think, based on some things sandywalsh has said, we'll want a storage API that receives the notifications themselves21:30
shengjie_homeso all the storage drivers need to have a small bp for that?21:30
asalkeldI'll make one to start with21:31
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asalkeldthat's all from me21:31
dhellmannasalkeld: look through the summit session blueprints, I think one may already include some details like this21:31
jd__dhellmann: concerning the collector as it designed currentl that remains to be seen -- for other tools, I wouldn't say21:32
shengjie_homedhellmann: i have a bp coming up related to that too21:32
jd__shengjie_home: no, I don't think so21:32
dhellmannjd__: we'll have to see what we want to actually do, but I think the idea was to save the raw notification for auditing21:33
jd__dhellmann: I know, it remains to be seens if auditing is part of the "openstack metering project"21:35
shengjie_homejd__: I meant like the record_metering_data() etc etc needs to be updated to store resource_type in each driver21:37
dhellmannshengjie_home: yes, but I don't think we need a separate blueprint for each driver, do we?21:37
shengjie_homeaha , u were talking about bp. no , probably not21:37
jd__shengjie_home: indeed, but we already do that work in order to add the 'unit' field, it's not really a challenge now21:37
asalkeldcan't we just record the first part of "event_type"21:38
asalkeld~= resource type21:38
asalkeldcompute/volume etc21:39
dhellmannasalkeld: that seems like a good approximation21:39
asalkeldmaybe then this could be done in one place too21:39
asalkeld(sorry guys - I need to go take kids to school)21:40
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jd__cya asalkeld21:40
dhellmannoh, I gave a presentation at pycon us about a week ago talking a bit about ceilometer's design21:42
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dhellmannthat's all I have for today21:44
dhellmannIf there isn't anything else, are there any objections to wrapping up a few minutes early?21:45
eglynn_ich auch21:45
yjiang5_I'm taken away to another urgent task recently, so will not work on ceilometer21:45
yjiang5_at least for one month21:45
dhellmannah, ok, a time limit, that's ok then :-)21:45
eglynn_yjiang5_: hurry back! :)21:45
shengjie_homeyjiang5_: :)21:45
yjiang5_Sure :)21:45
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jd__anything else or should I close this meeting?21:47
zzshow about the healthnmon?21:48
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eglynn_they were going to propose something for summit IIRC21:48
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dhellmannI think I saw a conference presentation from them21:48
eglynn_a-ha, ok ...21:48
nealphsandywalsh has a bp out there on a new ceilometer client...any precedence for suggesting some else's bp for discussion? He's not here to defend himself...21:49
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zzseglynn_ dhellmann: I see, thank you.21:49
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ttxjd__: yes, stable/grizzly is cut at release time21:50
jd__ttx: thanks for the answer21:50
eglynn_ttx: cool, thanks!21:50
nealphsummit discussion, that is.21:51
dhellmannnealph: I think our summit sessions are full already, aren't they?21:51
llu-laptopis there any scheduled summit  to talk with healthnmon guys ?21:51
nealphthat may be...I'll see if I can take it up offline with him.21:52
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jd__I'd be happy to plan a session with healthnmon but I don't feel like running after them21:53
jd__anything else, we still have 5 minutes21:55
esdanielhai ;-)21:55
jd__ok, thanks guys21:56
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yjiang5_esdaniel: your "hai" is too later :)21:57
esdanielyjiang5 I guess I have to live with that, /me sigh21:57
jd__ah sorry didn't think hai was to say something :)21:58
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zzsjd_: I think it is 'Hi', if my understanding is correct. :-)22:00
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esdaniellolcat speak, forgive my childishness of using 'o hai'22:01
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