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| jgriffith | DuncanT: winston-d thingee jdurgin around? | 16:00 |
|---|---|---|
| thingee | jgriffith: hey | 16:00 |
| jgriffith | #start meeting cinder | 16:00 |
| winston-d | jgriffith: yup | 16:00 |
| jgriffith | #starmeeting cinder | 16:00 |
| DuncanT | Oh, it that the time | 16:00 |
| DuncanT | ? | 16:00 |
| jgriffith | hmmm.... | 16:00 |
| thingee | yar | 16:00 |
| jgriffith | well that's odd | 16:01 |
| DuncanT | You typoed | 16:01 |
| eharney | jgriffith: dropped a t | 16:01 |
| jgriffith | haha | 16:01 |
| * DuncanT hands jgriffith a spare 't' | 16:01 | |
| jgriffith | #startmeeting cinder | 16:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Mar 27 16:01:19 2013 UTC. The chair is jgriffith. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: cinder)" | 16:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'cinder' | 16:01 |
| jgriffith | hehe :) | 16:01 |
| jgriffith | eharney: To the rescue! | 16:01 |
| jgriffith | Ok... again I neglected to update the wiki page | 16:01 |
| jgriffith | lemme make sure nobody else added anything :) | 16:01 |
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| jgriffith | Nope :) | 16:02 |
| jgriffith | #topic RC3 | 16:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "RC3 (Meeting topic: cinder)" | 16:02 | |
| jgriffith | So you all likely saw we did a quick turn on an RC3 | 16:02 |
| jgriffith | hopefully that's it for Grizzly release candidates | 16:02 |
| jgriffith | we found a few bugs this week that we added there, but nothing too serious | 16:03 |
| jgriffith | mostly the quotas stuff (thanks guitarzan) | 16:03 |
| jgriffith | I also threw in the fix for checking tenant in the context for quota updates | 16:03 |
| jgriffith | I didn't test this as much as I would've liked but it seemed to merge cleanly with our other changes and a quick test everything looked good | 16:04 |
| jgriffith | Anybody have anything regarding milestone-proposed/RC they want to mention? | 16:04 |
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| bswartz | jgriffith: the netapp bug, is not an easy fix | 16:05 |
| bswartz | I will wait until havana to fix it | 16:05 |
| jgriffith | bswartz: sounds good... go ahead and target it in launchpad if you would please (H1) | 16:06 |
| DuncanT | I've just got more client bugs | 16:06 |
| bswartz | oh ok | 16:06 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: :) | 16:06 |
| jgriffith | So FYI the quota changes: | 16:06 |
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| jgriffith | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/25490/ | 16:07 |
| jgriffith | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/25326 | 16:07 |
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| jgriffith | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/25251 | 16:07 |
| jgriffith | pheww | 16:07 |
| j_king | jgriffith: ah, that is exactly the issue I've been working on. lol | 16:08 |
| bswartz | jgriffith: I'm not sure I can set the target milestone -- it's not clear in the bug UI | 16:08 |
| jgriffith | For my next trick, figure out how to cherry-pick all of those back into one commit for Folsom | 16:08 |
| jgriffith | bswartz: No worries, I'll have a look at it | 16:08 |
| jgriffith | bswartz: bug number? | 16:08 |
| jgriffith | j_king: :) Hopefully you haven't spent a ton of time on it | 16:09 |
| jgriffith | j_king: sorry... about that | 16:09 |
| jgriffith | initially suo said he wouldn't be able to do it | 16:09 |
| jgriffith | then it came in last week and got burried | 16:09 |
| bswartz | 1139129 | 16:09 |
| jgriffith | bswartz: done | 16:10 |
| j_king | jgriffith: reviewing it now and noticing that we pretty much made the exact same changes. no worries. | 16:10 |
| j_king | my patch has been sitting as a draft | 16:10 |
| jgriffith | bswartz: I'm wondering if you have permissions to see that... "Milestone" column? | 16:10 |
| j_king | and I've been taking too long at it | 16:10 |
| jgriffith | j_king: sorry bout that | 16:10 |
| j_king | jgriffith: no worries. :) | 16:10 |
| bswartz | yeah I can see it I just can't edit | 16:11 |
| jgriffith | bswartz: ahh... ok | 16:11 |
| jgriffith | Ok, so in summary... I think we have a pretty good RC | 16:11 |
| jgriffith | The only core issue that is still an issue is that the secure delete on snapshots | 16:12 |
| * bswartz is bereft of power on launchpad | 16:12 | |
| jgriffith | ie we're not doing it | 16:12 |
| jgriffith | but given the precise bug this may be for the best | 16:12 |
| jgriffith | and I believe rushi may have had issues on Quantal as well | 16:12 |
| jgriffith | :( | 16:12 |
| jgriffith | So at this point if folks can test and document that would be fantastic | 16:13 |
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| jgriffith | I mostly want to look at installing via packages at this point | 16:13 |
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| jgriffith | make sure we've got things well documented in openstack-docs for things like how to configure multiple back-ends, and of course your respective drivers | 16:14 |
| jgriffith | speaking of which... | 16:14 |
| jgriffith | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/25490/ | 16:14 |
| jgriffith | I seperated the cinder admin docs and driver files | 16:14 |
| jgriffith | please take a look and make sure I didn't break any of your stuff in the process :) | 16:15 |
| jgriffith | One other thing I noticed last night... | 16:15 |
| jgriffith | It seems the sync of oslo-requires nuked eventlet from test-requires | 16:16 |
| jgriffith | Not an issue regarding release, but if you're trying to do testing and notice something funky there, that's why | 16:16 |
| jgriffith | I'll push a patch to get that put back in later | 16:16 |
| thingee | jgriffith: I can put in a update to openstack-infra to build the admin docs. | 16:16 |
| jgriffith | it's still in pip-requires, but it's needed for tests as well | 16:16 |
| annegentle | thingee: I have one in review I think, let me dig up the url | 16:17 |
| xyang_ | jgriffith: where is the new doc located? so it is not in http://docs.openstack.org/trunk/openstack-compute/admin/content/ch_volumes.html any more? | 16:17 |
| jgriffith | thingee: that would be great (since I don't know how to do that anyway) :) | 16:17 |
| thingee | annegentle: perfect :) | 16:17 |
| jgriffith | xyang_: that's what thingee is referring to is making that happen | 16:17 |
| jgriffith | :) | 16:17 |
| annegentle | thingee: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/25384/ yep it merged | 16:17 |
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| annegentle | thingee: next step, edit the index.html in openstack-manuals/www where you want it to be linked | 16:18 |
| thingee | xyang_: it'll likely be moved to http://docs.openstack.org/trunk/openstack-block-storage/admin/content | 16:18 |
| jgriffith | annegentle: and thingee are my heros! | 16:18 |
| xyang_ | thingee: ok. thanks | 16:18 |
| annegentle | jgriffith: aw shucks | 16:18 |
| * jgriffith is very excited to finally have Cinder docs! | 16:18 | |
| jgriffith | Ok... so any questions/concerns on RC and docs? | 16:19 |
| jgriffith | #topic encryption | 16:19 |
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| jgriffith | Not sure how many folks have been following discusion on the ML | 16:20 |
| jgriffith | I have some concerns about how this is planned to be implemented in Nova | 16:20 |
| jgriffith | particularly for those of us that have or will have back-ends that implement encryption themeselves | 16:20 |
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| jgriffith | I talked with Laura the other day and it looks like the design will allow us to specify encryption on volume create | 16:21 |
| jgriffith | and we can put hooks in to modify which version/implementation is used so that should be ok | 16:21 |
| DuncanT | I still don't like it being in nova full stop | 16:21 |
| jgriffith | I still have questions about snapshots and clones, I'm labbing some stuff out with LVM to see how this may or may not work | 16:21 |
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| jgriffith | DuncanT: agreed! | 16:21 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: I've objected on the ML as well as personally to Laura | 16:22 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: The plan at this point.... | 16:22 |
| DuncanT | I'm just looking for the thread... I'm way behind on the list | 16:22 |
| jgriffith | I'm going to accept the proposed encryption session to the cinder track | 16:22 |
| jgriffith | there's also going to be one on the Nova track | 16:22 |
| jgriffith | I'm going to work with russellb and hopefully have it so the nova session isn't on a cinder day | 16:23 |
| jgriffith | so we can participate in both sessions and vice versa | 16:23 |
| bswartz | jgriffith: +1 | 16:23 |
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| jgriffith | DuncanT: the thread has digressed considerably into a discussion on key management | 16:23 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: but the proposed patch is up, everyone should take a look | 16:24 |
| DuncanT | I'll catch up and wade in :-) | 16:24 |
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| DuncanT | I -1'd one patch ages ago, not been keeping up since, sorry | 16:24 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: no worries | 16:24 |
| russellb | jgriffith: what day is cinder day | 16:24 |
| russellb | jgriffith: and do you want the nova one after the cinder one? | 16:24 |
| jgriffith | russellb: As it stands now I beleive it's still Thursday | 16:24 |
| russellb | ah ok | 16:25 |
| russellb | nova first it is | 16:25 |
| jgriffith | russellb: I don't have a strong preference and I think Cinder being thurs limits the options a bit | 16:25 |
| jgriffith | :) | 16:25 |
| jgriffith | russellb: thanks :) | 16:25 |
| russellb | np | 16:25 |
| xyang_ | jgriffith: do you have a link to the proposed patch? | 16:25 |
| jgriffith | xyang_: looking.... | 16:26 |
| kmartin | jgriffith: annegentle Sorry I'm late was working away on the docs and lost track of time :) I'll have new patches up today for the feedback I got back from Anne. | 16:26 |
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| jgriffith | xyang_: hmm... I've lost the patch :( | 16:28 |
| jgriffith | xyang_: I'll have to dig through the ML to find it again | 16:28 |
| xyang_ | jgriffith: I see this one https://review.openstack.org/#/c/21262/. It is abandoned. | 16:28 |
| winston-d | jgriffith: what do you guys think about doing volume rate-limiting on nova? | 16:29 |
| jgriffith | winston-d: how do you mean? IO? | 16:29 |
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| winston-d | jgriffith: yup, IO | 16:29 |
| jgriffith | winston-d: I'm violently opposed | 16:29 |
| jgriffith | :) | 16:29 |
| winston-d | :) | 16:29 |
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| DuncanT | winston-d: We want to do rate limiting somewhere. Got any proposals? | 16:30 |
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| DuncanT | winston-d: We were certainly looking at doing it in the hypervisor, but the hypervisor support for it looks rather flakey | 16:30 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: winston-d so I'd be more concerned about the implementation here | 16:31 |
| winston-d | DuncanT: ultimately i think it's best/easy to do that on Nova/hypervisor | 16:31 |
| DuncanT | jgriffith: It would certainly be easy to come up with something ugly :-) | 16:31 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: haha :) | 16:31 |
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| jgriffith | So we can definitely investigate... | 16:32 |
| jgriffith | but from my experience it's a pretty complex problem and I'd be curious about the demand | 16:32 |
| jgriffith | It's also lower on my priority list compared to things like encryption, migration of volumes, multi-attach etc | 16:32 |
| DuncanT | We have what we think is a requirement for it, but no serious attempts at implementation or testing | 16:33 |
| jgriffith | alright, we should talk about it then | 16:34 |
| jgriffith | winston-d: DuncanT maybe the two of you could outline exactly what you have in mind | 16:34 |
| jgriffith | the use case etc | 16:34 |
| winston-d | jgriffith: sure. will talk to DuncanT | 16:34 |
| DuncanT | Sure. | 16:34 |
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| jgriffith | I do think there are some other things that are higher priority, but maybe that's not accurate | 16:34 |
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| jgriffith | and of course there's the obvious solution that already exists :) | 16:35 |
| DuncanT | Oh, we want all of the above too, and the moon on a stick please, and two ponies | 16:35 |
| jgriffith | three ponies!! | 16:35 |
| DuncanT | (The obvious solution? Source rate limiting?) | 16:35 |
| jgriffith | and a unicorn | 16:35 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: SolidFire :) | 16:36 |
| jgriffith | sorry... couldn't resist | 16:36 |
| jbr_1 | volume_type | 16:36 |
| winston-d | :) | 16:36 |
| jgriffith | Ok... since we're talking sessions | 16:36 |
| jgriffith | #topic summit sessions | 16:36 |
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| jgriffith | http://summit.openstack.org/ | 16:36 |
| thingee | DuncanT: I saw there was a proposal for testing. I was think making this a bit more low key unconference. | 16:37 |
| jgriffith | We have 17 proposals and 11 slots | 16:37 |
| jgriffith | thingee: +1 | 16:37 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: you good with that? | 16:37 |
| jgriffith | Also I'd like to look at consolidating a couple that may be related | 16:38 |
| DuncanT | Fine by me | 16:38 |
| DuncanT | I'm fine with having it in a bar somewhere if necessary... | 16:38 |
| thingee | DuncanT: +1 | 16:38 |
| jgriffith | bar :) | 16:38 |
| thingee | best unconference evar | 16:38 |
| kmartin | with a Pliny in hand | 16:38 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: I'd also like to combine your give/take proposal with Avishays migration proposal | 16:39 |
| jgriffith | I think they'll tie together if that's ok with you? | 16:39 |
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| DuncanT | Ok. They're not very related, but I've no problem with sharing a slot... it worked out mostly fine last year | 16:39 |
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| jgriffith | DuncanT: hmmm.... you don't think we could leverage the work for the two? | 16:40 |
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| winston-d | these two are almost identical http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/details/146 + http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/details/152 | 16:40 |
| DuncanT | give/take is purely ownership, it doesn't affect anything except that database | 16:40 |
| DuncanT | jgriffith: It doesn't need a full session though | 16:41 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: agreed, but I think it *sort of* falls in the category of dynamic volumes so to speak | 16:41 |
| winston-d | and Avishays agree to combine those two. | 16:41 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: Ok, I'll look at combining or seeing if something more logical falls out | 16:41 |
| jgriffith | winston-d: looking | 16:41 |
| jgriffith | winston-d: yes, for sure, those will fold in to one | 16:41 |
| jgriffith | I think that will put us in pretty good shape | 16:42 |
| DuncanT | The plugability one requires no code changes at all but might turn into a political bunfight | 16:42 |
| jgriffith | the only other one is the plugins from Chuck | 16:42 |
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| jgriffith | DuncanT: :) | 16:42 |
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| winston-d | and the independent scheduler one http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/details/97 here isn't valid since scheduler is already independent. | 16:42 |
| jgriffith | I haven't gotten a good feel for the level of interest there | 16:42 |
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| jgriffith | I think I'll drop it if we're out of sessions | 16:43 |
| jgriffith | but I'd like to talk to folks about it in Portland | 16:43 |
| DuncanT | Seems reasonable | 16:43 |
| jgriffith | explain a bit more about what I have in mind and what Chuck is thinking there | 16:43 |
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| jgriffith | Ok... anything else on sessions? | 16:43 |
| jgriffith | Anything folks thing we need to add? | 16:44 |
| winston-d | maybe we can also talk about volume/task state machine in unconference? | 16:44 |
| jgriffith | winston-d: OHHHH yes! | 16:44 |
| j_king | winston-d: does this have to do with co-ordination? | 16:45 |
| jgriffith | winston-d: I'd like to see if we can have a true session for that | 16:45 |
| * j_king interested in distributed co-ordination problems in general | 16:45 | |
| jgriffith | I'll see if I can futz the schedule around to make that happen | 16:45 |
| DuncanT | +1 million | 16:45 |
| winston-d | cool | 16:45 |
| DuncanT | Clean forgot about that, despite having pages of notes on the subject | 16:45 |
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| kmartin | jgriffith: I'll get you some more details on the mutli-attach next week and we can decide if we need to have a unconference session or piggy back your read-only multi-attach | 16:46 |
| jgriffith | kmartin: I was thinking we keep that as a formal session and collapse read-only in to it | 16:46 |
| kmartin | jgriffith: ok | 16:47 |
| jgriffith | kmartin: i think R/O would just be an option to a volume and should be pretty straight forward | 16:47 |
| jgriffith | the bulk of the discussion should be multi-attach | 16:47 |
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| kmartin | I'll write something up next week and forward it on to you | 16:47 |
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| j_king | i brought up the possibility of a python-paxos implementation at the zookeeper talk at PyCon for this sort of thing. not sure if it's applicable to what you're talking about but if there's a ML thread about it, I'll hop in. (can't be at summit) | 16:48 |
| jgriffith | j_king: I'd be interested | 16:49 |
| jgriffith | j_king: say whaaaa? | 16:49 |
| jgriffith | j_king: why not? | 16:49 |
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| j_king | jgriffith: 4mo old daughter to take care of and I already went to pycon. ;) | 16:50 |
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| j_king | plus not currently employed | 16:50 |
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| jgriffith | j_king: ahh.. those are good reasons | 16:50 |
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| jgriffith | alright, anybody have anything else? | 16:51 |
| jgriffith | #topic cinderclient | 16:51 |
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| jgriffith | Just a heads up, prioritize testing and reviews on cinderclient if you could the next couple days | 16:51 |
| jgriffith | I'd like to release to PyPi on Friday at the latest | 16:52 |
| jgriffith | ok... if there's nothing else | 16:52 |
| jgriffith | we'll finish at least a *little* bit early | 16:52 |
| jgriffith | thanks everybody... as always grab me on IRC if you want to talk about something | 16:52 |
| jgriffith | #end meeting | 16:52 |
| jgriffith | #endmeeting | 16:53 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Mar 27 16:53:06 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:53 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2013/cinder.2013-03-27-16.01.html | 16:53 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2013/cinder.2013-03-27-16.01.txt | 16:53 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2013/cinder.2013-03-27-16.01.log.html | 16:53 |
| jgriffith | I do that EVERY week :) | 16:53 |
| jbr_1 | lol | 16:53 |
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| johnthetubaguy | #startmeeting XenAPI | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Mar 27 17:00:12 2013 UTC. The chair is johnthetubaguy. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: XenAPI)" | 17:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'xenapi' | 17:00 |
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| johnthetubaguy | hi, who is around for this weeks meeting? | 17:00 |
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| matelakat | me | 17:00 |
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| * BobBall waves his hand | 17:00 | |
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| johnthetubaguy | OK, cool | 17:01 |
| johnthetubaguy | lets get cracking... | 17:01 |
| BobBall | I was just saying to Mate, I might have to leave at 5 minutes past 5... | 17:01 |
| johnthetubaguy | #topic Actions from previous meeting | 17:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Actions from previous meeting (Meeting topic: XenAPI)" | 17:01 | |
| BobBall | But Mate thought that I should stay a little longer, so I will. | 17:01 |
| johnthetubaguy | nothing to say | 17:02 |
| BobBall | haha | 17:02 |
| matelakat | No. | 17:02 |
| johnthetubaguy | #topic blueprints | 17:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "blueprints (Meeting topic: XenAPI)" | 17:02 | |
| johnthetubaguy | anything from anyone here? | 17:02 |
| BobBall | well before we move on | 17:02 |
| BobBall | there was an action on me | 17:02 |
| johnthetubaguy | we all prep-ed for the summit? | 17:02 |
| BobBall | that didn't get copied over from the week before | 17:02 |
| BobBall | in terms of updating on the iSCSI timeout | 17:02 |
| * BobBall only just remembered | 17:02 | |
| johnthetubaguy | yes, true | 17:02 |
| BobBall | what was the question again? Do you remember? or shall I go back through the logs? | 17:03 |
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| johnthetubaguy | you were working on a fix I think | 17:03 |
| johnthetubaguy | to control the timeout | 17:03 |
| matelakat | BobBall to update on iSCSI timeout when there is an update | 17:03 |
| matelakat | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/xenapi/2013/xenapi.2013-03-13-17.02.log.html | 17:03 |
| BobBall | there were several iscsi timeout issues I've looked at over the last couple of weeks | 17:03 |
| johnthetubaguy | it was the iscsi goes down, then it takes ages to timeout | 17:03 |
| BobBall | oh yes | 17:03 |
| johnthetubaguy | include the SR scan | 17:04 |
| BobBall | the attach issue when the conn has gone away | 17:04 |
| BobBall | we think so | 17:04 |
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| BobBall | oh hang on - that one was a different one (!) | 17:04 |
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| BobBall | Okay - the one where the attach was expecting a path to exist has been fixed - but that was a RS specific issue AFAIK | 17:04 |
| johnthetubaguy | takes a while to detect the problem, there was a short term fix that uses the SR scan to detect failures | 17:05 |
| BobBall | yes | 17:05 |
| BobBall | that bug hasn't been progressed I'm afraid | 17:05 |
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| johnthetubaguy | we ideally need some way to specify a timeout | 17:05 |
| johnthetubaguy | OK | 17:05 |
| BobBall | (there is a separate OS bug raised talking about the 120s timeout) | 17:05 |
| BobBall | although I'm struggilng to find that atm! | 17:06 |
| johnthetubaguy | ah, you got that to hand? | 17:06 |
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| johnthetubaguy | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1152401 | 17:06 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1152401 in nova "xenapi: Detecting bad-volumes relies on 120 sec timeout" [High,Triaged] | 17:06 |
| BobBall | ... I searched for xenapi 120 - how did that not come up?! | 17:07 |
| johnthetubaguy | duno | 17:07 |
| johnthetubaguy | shall I assign that to you? | 17:07 |
| BobBall | odd. Anyway, that's the one. | 17:07 |
| BobBall | Please | 17:07 |
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| johnthetubaguy | OK, should be yours now | 17:07 |
| johnthetubaguy | action sorted, tracked by a bug | 17:07 |
| BobBall | Joy. | 17:07 |
| johnthetubaguy | OK, so anything blueprinty? | 17:08 |
| matelakat | no | 17:08 |
| BobBall | I had a review of the etherpad and I'm happy | 17:08 |
| johnthetubaguy | cool | 17:08 |
| BobBall | although since we're talking about it, do we have a time for the session? | 17:08 |
| johnthetubaguy | #topic docs | 17:08 |
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| BobBall | I'd like to book it in ASAP and see if James B / Guy B want to come along to sit in on the session | 17:09 |
| johnthetubaguy | BobBall: its not even approved yet, I think that happens much nearer the time | 17:09 |
| BobBall | bah | 17:09 |
| BobBall | okay | 17:09 |
| matelakat | Regarding to the docs, Release notes. | 17:09 |
| johnthetubaguy | OK | 17:09 |
| matelakat | On the meeting Wiki Page, I included the stuff, that I want to flush to the release notes. | 17:09 |
| matelakat | Could you please add any missed stuff? | 17:09 |
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| johnthetubaguy | ah, got ya | 17:10 |
| matelakat | So far we have ConfigDrive, and XenAPINFS | 17:10 |
| matelakat | THe other question. | 17:10 |
| johnthetubaguy | I would have to read through all the blueprints on launchpad to check | 17:10 |
| johnthetubaguy | is anyone fancying that? | 17:11 |
| johnthetubaguy | I probably should take a look anyways... | 17:11 |
| johnthetubaguy | #action johnthetubaguy to review blueprints for release notes | 17:11 |
| johnthetubaguy | any more for docs? | 17:11 |
| matelakat | I wanted to put only the things implemented by us / being involved in. | 17:11 |
| matelakat | yes. | 17:12 |
| matelakat | We are missing a step in the documentation: /boot/guest creation | 17:12 |
| johnthetubaguy | I meant review for xenapi related things | 17:12 |
| johnthetubaguy | hmm, yes, good point | 17:12 |
| johnthetubaguy | for three part images | 17:12 |
| matelakat | I haven't pushed changes to the docs this week. | 17:12 |
| matelakat | Y, so the q is: should it be a symlink to a subdir within the Local SR? | 17:12 |
| BobBall | _yes_ | 17:13 |
| matelakat | devstack is just creating a directory: /boot/guest | 17:13 |
| matelakat | Okay, so that's a devstack bug, and a documentation Todo. | 17:13 |
| BobBall | I'm less fussed about devstack since the local directory could be used for lots | 17:13 |
| BobBall | but any directory that could contain any non-trivial amount of data should be on the SR rather than in dom0 | 17:14 |
| matelakat | #action matelakat to fix /boot/guest in devstack, and document it. | 17:14 |
| johnthetubaguy | yes, its not a very big deal, becuase the files there are quite small | 17:14 |
| BobBall | /boot/guest coul contain a whole bunch of kernels, right? | 17:14 |
| BobBall | +d | 17:14 |
| matelakat | I remember, it caused pains for us for broken builds. | 17:14 |
| johnthetubaguy | it could, yes | 17:14 |
| johnthetubaguy | devstack should represent best practice | 17:14 |
| johnthetubaguy | so I think it would be good to fix that, and make it match /images | 17:14 |
| matelakat | Thanks. | 17:15 |
| BobBall | OK - then yes, create a link. Or better yet, move it to a configurable SR | 17:15 |
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| matelakat | small steps are welcome. | 17:15 |
| BobBall | hard coded paths like /boot/guest and /images are bad :) | 17:15 |
| johnthetubaguy | of course, if you don't do three part images, then there is no need, but hey | 17:15 |
| matelakat | So first, it will be a symlink. | 17:15 |
| BobBall | fair enough | 17:15 |
| johnthetubaguy | so, it turns out the kernel *must* be in /boot/guest | 17:15 |
| BobBall | oh really? Why's that? | 17:16 |
| johnthetubaguy | but clearly we could sym link somewhere sensible | 17:16 |
| johnthetubaguy | its a xapi restriction on the kernel boot param, I think | 17:16 |
| matelakat | I will try the symlink approach | 17:16 |
| BobBall | oh right. Drat. | 17:16 |
| johnthetubaguy | worth a double check though | 17:16 |
| johnthetubaguy | I presume xen will follow the symlink correctly… hmm worth a test | 17:17 |
| BobBall | okay - we'll look into that | 17:17 |
| matelakat | You could leave that with me. | 17:17 |
| BobBall | by we, I mean mate. | 17:17 |
| johnthetubaguy | hehe, cool | 17:17 |
| matelakat | ta | 17:17 |
| BobBall | Welcome. | 17:17 |
| johnthetubaguy | so I guess we our out of docs stuff | 17:18 |
| matelakat | I believe. | 17:18 |
| johnthetubaguy | #topic bugs | 17:18 |
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| BobBall | Can I talk about a bug? | 17:18 |
| BobBall | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1160323 | 17:18 |
| johnthetubaguy | OK, so I have been doing the odd bit of triage on the xenapi bugs | 17:18 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1160323 in nova "Cannot block migrate in xenapi with iSCSI cinder volumes attached" [Medium,In progress] | 17:18 |
| johnthetubaguy | OK, sure | 17:18 |
| BobBall | and particularly the review at: | 17:18 |
| BobBall | #link https://review.openstack.org/25419 | 17:19 |
| matelakat | I was afraid, Bob will come up with the uuid one :-) | 17:19 |
| johnthetubaguy | ah, yes, its on my todo list for this afternoon | 17:19 |
| BobBall | *grin* | 17:19 |
| BobBall | ahhhh good - if it's on the list, then that's fine, I'm happy | 17:19 |
| BobBall | and the UUID one finally got in after a marathon number of comments | 17:19 |
| johnthetubaguy | yes, its quite frequently like that | 17:20 |
| BobBall | _AND_ the commit beat John's commit which probably conflicts in the test code, so I'm happy :) | 17:20 |
| johnthetubaguy | hehe, probably | 17:20 |
| johnthetubaguy | any other bugs? | 17:20 |
| matelakat | I guess John does frequent rebasing, so he won't be hit by Bob's change... | 17:20 |
| BobBall | oh yes, of course ;) | 17:21 |
| johnthetubaguy | nah, don't both we that kind of thing | 17:21 |
| matelakat | I have one. | 17:21 |
| matelakat | It is not really a bug. | 17:21 |
| johnthetubaguy | BobBall: it should prob have docimpact tag on there | 17:21 |
| matelakat | I have it on the Other section. | 17:21 |
| johnthetubaguy | OK, fire away | 17:22 |
| johnthetubaguy | OK... | 17:22 |
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| johnthetubaguy | I see them | 17:22 |
| BobBall | docimpact tag on the bug or the commit? | 17:22 |
| matelakat | https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/903445 | 17:22 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 903445 in nova "New xapi backend for Local Storage ISO SR" [Wishlist,Confirmed] | 17:22 |
| matelakat | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/903445 | 17:22 |
| johnthetubaguy | #topic OpenDiscussion | 17:22 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenDiscussion (Meeting topic: XenAPI)" | 17:22 | |
| matelakat | I mean how we are doing with ISO files in general? | 17:22 |
| johnthetubaguy | ah, very timely | 17:22 |
| johnthetubaguy | I have just been fixing that up | 17:23 |
| johnthetubaguy | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/24895/ | 17:23 |
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| johnthetubaguy | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/XenServer/BootFromISO | 17:23 |
| BobBall | odd - wonder why I wasn't notified of that review... | 17:23 |
| BobBall | Typo in the commit message btw :) | 17:24 |
| matelakat | John, is that something, that should go to the docs? | 17:24 |
| johnthetubaguy | yes, if it works and we are happy with it | 17:24 |
| johnthetubaguy | done some quick testing myself | 17:24 |
| matelakat | #action matelakat to add https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/XenServer/BootFromISO to the install docs | 17:25 |
| johnthetubaguy | OK, thanks | 17:25 |
| matelakat | Are there any XS version restrictions on this tweak? | 17:25 |
| johnthetubaguy | turns out the unit tests for spawn were quite broken, so didn't test the ISO code path | 17:25 |
| johnthetubaguy | matelakat: not that I know of | 17:25 |
| matelakat | Okay | 17:27 |
| johnthetubaguy | so next thing | 17:27 |
| matelakat | Other question is around Console. | 17:27 |
| johnthetubaguy | ok | 17:27 |
| matelakat | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1004175 | 17:27 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1004175 in nova "XenAPI text console support" [Wishlist,In progress] | 17:27 |
| johnthetubaguy | text console | 17:27 |
| matelakat | Seems to be orphaned. | 17:27 |
| matelakat | No activity since december. | 17:27 |
| johnthetubaguy | yes, its worth someone adopting that one I think | 17:28 |
| matelakat | So it won't hit G | 17:28 |
| matelakat | John, do you think, that it could hit G? | 17:28 |
| BobBall | Too late for G isn't it? | 17:28 |
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| johnthetubaguy | nothing will make G anymore | 17:29 |
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| johnthetubaguy | only critical fixes right? | 17:29 |
| matelakat | Okaz, my bad. | 17:29 |
| matelakat | Okay, my bad | 17:29 |
| johnthetubaguy | no worries | 17:29 |
| matelakat | I am just overusing my time-machine. | 17:29 |
| johnthetubaguy | this one is really a feature, needs the blueprint bringing back to life | 17:29 |
| BobBall | Looks like quite a simple change I guess | 17:29 |
| BobBall | although testing it is more trick | 17:30 |
| BobBall | +y | 17:30 |
| matelakat | I would say, let's pick up that change. | 17:30 |
| johnthetubaguy | its a shame, XenServer added a feature for the serial console for OpenStack, bit it doesn't really work with what OpenStack needs. | 17:30 |
| matelakat | Tempest has tests for it. | 17:30 |
| johnthetubaguy | its worth a whirl | 17:30 |
| BobBall | ahhh I see | 17:30 |
| matelakat | Who wants to pick it up? | 17:30 |
| BobBall | Well we can't schedule when it'll be done, but we can add it to the backlog for things to pick up. There are other higher priority things to pop off the top first | 17:31 |
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| johnthetubaguy | same here really | 17:31 |
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| johnthetubaguy | stuck in a pit of resize issues at the moment | 17:31 |
| matelakat | Not good to hear these things... :-( | 17:31 |
| BobBall | Particularly since it's missed G | 17:31 |
| BobBall | Agreed... | 17:31 |
| matelakat | I have another thing. | 17:32 |
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| johnthetubaguy | OK | 17:32 |
| matelakat | I was looking at the plugin install in devstack | 17:32 |
| matelakat | And I realised, that Quantum has changed... | 17:32 |
| matelakat | https://github.com/openstack/quantum/blob/master/quantum/plugins/openvswitch/agent/xenserver_install.sh | 17:32 |
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| matelakat | #link https://github.com/openstack/quantum/blob/master/quantum/plugins/openvswitch/agent/xenserver_install.sh | 17:32 |
| matelakat | So it seems, it no longer has the traditional xapi-plugin layout. | 17:32 |
| johnthetubaguy | not sure what you mean | 17:33 |
| matelakat | a sec | 17:33 |
| johnthetubaguy | the quantum support hasn't hit trunk yet right? | 17:33 |
| johnthetubaguy | there are no plugins in quantum yet, really | 17:33 |
| johnthetubaguy | not for xenserver anyways | 17:33 |
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| johnthetubaguy | lol salvatore left quickly | 17:34 |
| matelakat | So your saying, I cannot see that, cos it was never was there... | 17:34 |
| johnthetubaguy | yep | 17:34 |
| matelakat | How stupid I am. | 17:34 |
| johnthetubaguy | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/15022/ | 17:34 |
| BobBall | He's in and out - guess he has a network issue | 17:34 |
| matelakat | :-) | 17:34 |
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| BobBall | Mate laughed. I appreciate the symapthy laugh. Thanks, | 17:35 |
| johnthetubaguy | hehe | 17:35 |
| johnthetubaguy | so what else we got on the list for today? | 17:35 |
| BobBall | I see - that change linked deletes the script Mate pointed at. | 17:36 |
| matelakat | Anyhow, I think I overlooked that Quantum stuff | 17:36 |
| matelakat | I have one thing to note. | 17:36 |
| johnthetubaguy | kernel lock up? | 17:36 |
| matelakat | The good old kernel locking issue. | 17:36 |
| matelakat | yes. | 17:36 |
| matelakat | So if you don't use the loopback device, the pain goes away. | 17:36 |
| johnthetubaguy | so you add an extra disk intead? | 17:36 |
| johnthetubaguy | instead? | 17:37 |
| matelakat | That's what I do in the CI. | 17:37 |
| johnthetubaguy | hmm, OK | 17:37 |
| matelakat | And the Jenkins weather became better. | 17:37 |
| johnthetubaguy | cool, not sure if you are just changing the race condition, but if it works, thats all good | 17:37 |
| matelakat | I had tempest running in an infinite loop for a day, and no nasty kernel messages. | 17:37 |
| johnthetubaguy | sounds good enough to me | 17:38 |
| johnthetubaguy | cool | 17:38 |
| matelakat | That's all from me. | 17:38 |
| johnthetubaguy | cool, thanks, some good updates | 17:38 |
| matelakat | blogpost | 17:38 |
| BobBall | Saw the CentOS update from yesterday too - which is looking positive | 17:38 |
| matelakat | #link http://blogs.citrix.com/2013/03/18/virtual-hypervisor/ | 17:38 |
| johnthetubaguy | virtual hypervisor post looks interesting too, | 17:38 |
| johnthetubaguy | yes, took a quick look | 17:39 |
| matelakat | Just some shell scripts, but might be handy. | 17:39 |
| johnthetubaguy | its possibly a bit deep, but its good to advertise these things :-) | 17:39 |
| johnthetubaguy | I install XCP using openstack to test my patch :-) | 17:39 |
| matelakat | I am always too technical. | 17:39 |
| johnthetubaguy | doing an iso boot | 17:39 |
| matelakat | cool! | 17:40 |
| johnthetubaguy | centos stuff is slowly moving forward | 17:40 |
| johnthetubaguy | taking a break for the mo while stuff gets fixed | 17:40 |
| johnthetubaguy | OK, I think we are all done? | 17:40 |
| matelakat | y, John, thanks. | 17:40 |
| BobBall | Think so | 17:40 |
| johnthetubaguy | cool, thank you all | 17:40 |
| johnthetubaguy | #endmeeting | 17:41 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack meetings || Development in #openstack-dev || Help in #openstack" | 17:41 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Mar 27 17:41:00 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:41 |
| matelakat | When do we see you? | 17:41 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/xenapi/2013/xenapi.2013-03-27-17.00.html | 17:41 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/xenapi/2013/xenapi.2013-03-27-17.00.txt | 17:41 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/xenapi/2013/xenapi.2013-03-27-17.00.log.html | 17:41 |
| johnthetubaguy | matelakat: not sure, after easter now | 17:41 |
| matelakat | Ok. | 17:41 |
| matelakat | Have a good (long) weekend! | 17:41 |
| BobBall | Ah - interesting one - Guy Brunsdon, Senior Director of PM, has everything approved to join us at the summit now. So there will be a great opportunity for him to find out what OpenStack wants from XenServer's future | 17:42 |
| johnthetubaguy | cool | 17:42 |
| johnthetubaguy | just a heads up | 17:42 |
| johnthetubaguy | next week will be an hour different | 17:42 |
| johnthetubaguy | clocks go forward | 17:42 |
| johnthetubaguy | in UK | 17:42 |
| BobBall | oh yes :( | 17:42 |
| matelakat | I will use my time machine, so it's not relevant for me. | 17:42 |
| BobBall | and it stays that way?! | 17:42 |
| johnthetubaguy | lol, awesome | 17:42 |
| johnthetubaguy | it says with UTC | 17:43 |
| BobBall | bugger | 17:43 |
| johnthetubaguy | so its an hour later I guess | 17:43 |
| BobBall | 6pm-7pm meeting is going to be tricky long term | 17:43 |
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| johnthetubaguy | its the best slot sadly, if we want US people too | 17:43 |
| matelakat | Let's send Bob to the US | 17:43 |
| matelakat | See you all. | 17:44 |
| matelakat | \quit | 17:44 |
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| BobBall | well Monday's are free? | 17:45 |
| BobBall | I dunno how to organise meeting times but according to https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings only Quantum has a meeting on Monday at 9pm UTC | 17:45 |
| johnthetubaguy | oh, possibly | 17:45 |
| johnthetubaguy | things must have changed! | 17:45 |
| BobBall | Perhaps we could discuss on mail and see if there is a better time when we and some of the guys we'd like from the US can both make it | 17:46 |
| johnthetubaguy | oh, wait... | 17:46 |
| johnthetubaguy | we didn't choose monday because that meant first thing monday for US folks | 17:46 |
| BobBall | oh yeah | 17:46 |
| BobBall | that'd suck haha | 17:46 |
| johnthetubaguy | and late friday here is not awesome | 17:47 |
| johnthetubaguy | hmm… dajavo | 17:47 |
| BobBall | indeed | 17:47 |
| BobBall | but monday morning wouldn't be first thing for the states | 17:47 |
| johnthetubaguy | we could move to alt | 17:47 |
| BobBall | if it was 5-6 that'd be 11am for them | 17:47 |
| BobBall | not ideal still | 17:47 |
| johnthetubaguy | but don't really want to class for no reason | 17:47 |
| BobBall | absolutely - let's avoid a clash | 17:48 |
| johnthetubaguy | not for SF people | 17:48 |
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| BobBall | true | 17:48 |
| johnthetubaguy | anyway, there is never a perfect time, but given who normally attends, we shouldn't be the people with the worst deal | 17:49 |
| BobBall | Well let's have a look | 17:49 |
| * johnthetubaguy nod | 17:49 | |
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| BobBall | Tuesday might be OK too - 5-6 is available on tuesday | 17:50 |
| BobBall | which I guess is 4-5 during winter | 17:50 |
| BobBall | Anyway - let's move this conversation to email! | 17:50 |
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| sdake | #topic rollcall | 20:00 |
| sdake | #startmeeting | 20:00 |
| openstack | sdake: Error: A meeting name is required, e.g., '#startmeeting Marketing Committee' | 20:00 |
| sdake | #startmeeting heat | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Mar 27 20:00:39 2013 UTC. The chair is sdake. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
| sdake | #topic rollcall | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: heat)" | 20:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'heat' | 20:00 |
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| sdake | yo | 20:00 |
| stevebaker | ! | 20:00 |
| asalkeld | hallo | 20:01 |
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| jpeeler | hi | 20:01 |
| zaneb | hey | 20:01 |
| sdake | slower around? | 20:02 |
| sdake | spamamps indicated he wouldn't make it | 20:02 |
| sdake | #topic doc sprint | 20:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "doc sprint (Meeting topic: heat)" | 20:03 | |
| sdake | spamaps had suggested a 1 day doc sprint | 20:03 |
| sdake | makes sense to me since our docs are in bad shape | 20:03 |
| stevebaker | might need more than a day | 20:03 |
| sdake | ya, well start small build up over time | 20:04 |
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| sdake | would suggest getting an understanding of what the docs involve | 20:04 |
| stevebaker | but yes, a doc sprint is a great idea | 20:04 |
| sdake | then we can create docs in havana | 20:04 |
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| stevebaker | I created skeleton docs of what I thought we might need in heat/doc | 20:05 |
| shardy_ | sorry I'm late | 20:05 |
| sdake | hey shardy_ | 20:05 |
| shardy_ | connectivity issues | 20:06 |
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| sdake | re date, lets shoot for 4th | 20:06 |
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| asalkeld | is there any point in doing it on one day? | 20:07 |
| sdake | get exposed to it | 20:07 |
| asalkeld | can't we just split up the work | 20:07 |
| sdake | we aren't doing the entire docs in one day | 20:07 |
| asalkeld | and do it as we have time | 20:07 |
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| stevebaker | it means people aren't tempted to code instead, and there isn't some poor sucker doing all the documentation ;) | 20:08 |
| sdake | lol | 20:08 |
| asalkeld | well we could split up the work and assign | 20:08 |
| zaneb | stevebaker: pretty sure people will still be _tempted_ to code instead ;) | 20:08 |
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| sdake | focus on 4th for docs day | 20:08 |
| asalkeld | else we get a bunch of reviews all at the same time | 20:09 |
| stevebaker | zaneb: have you tried coding while sprinting? | 20:09 |
| asalkeld | merge issues etc... | 20:09 |
| zaneb | stevebaker: I only ever code while sprinting | 20:09 |
| stevebaker | maybe Anne will hang out while we do it too, for questions | 20:09 |
| sdake | annegentle^^ 4th work for you? | 20:10 |
| asalkeld | she in nz/au? | 20:10 |
| stevebaker | california usually | 20:10 |
| annegentle | 4/4? | 20:10 |
| annegentle | Austin Tx :) | 20:10 |
| stevebaker | oops ;) | 20:10 |
| sdake | annegentle: ya 4/4 | 20:10 |
| asalkeld | I vote for doing this over a week | 20:10 |
| asalkeld | easy pace | 20:11 |
| annegentle | stevebaker: :) I don't say howdy or hey dude so how would you know? :) | 20:11 |
| sdake | asalkeld: lets have a look at docs on the 4th see what it entails | 20:11 |
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| sdake | #topic update on moving cloudwatch into ceilo | 20:12 |
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| annegentle | asalkeld: you have now become my whip target | 20:12 |
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| asalkeld | annegentle, I am keen - just see little point to do it on one day | 20:13 |
| annegentle | asalkeld: :) | 20:13 |
| sdake | asalkeld: any updates there | 20:14 |
| asalkeld | not really, just trying to impl. juju | 20:14 |
| asalkeld | getting there | 20:14 |
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| sdake | you put on agenda? | 20:15 |
| asalkeld | no | 20:15 |
| stevebaker | juju? | 20:15 |
| sdake | Update on moving CloudWatch functionality into ceilometer (shardy/asalkeld) | 20:15 |
| asalkeld | well it's got a heap of summit sessions | 20:15 |
| zaneb | this came out of a discussion I was having with shardy the other day | 20:15 |
| asalkeld | so after that we will do it | 20:16 |
| asalkeld | so there is a prototype patch in review | 20:16 |
| asalkeld | and we just want to nail down the design | 20:16 |
| asalkeld | so should have a solution soon after summit | 20:17 |
| asalkeld | the main thing from heat is what api we want | 20:17 |
| zaneb | the question was about how data posted from the instance should be identified to ceilometer | 20:17 |
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| zaneb | right now we are passing the alarm name, and that is *not* the way we want to proceed | 20:17 |
| asalkeld | zaneb, for the custom metric | 20:17 |
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| zaneb | asalkeld: yes | 20:18 |
| shardy_ | Also I was hoping asalkeld could give us a status update, to gauge if we can plan this work for havanna | 20:18 |
| asalkeld | so most won't need that (as ceilometer has heaps of meters) | 20:18 |
| shardy_ | asalkeld: how's the monitoring/alarms stuff going in CM? | 20:18 |
| asalkeld | shardy_, read up | 20:18 |
| asalkeld | so PoC patch in review | 20:19 |
| asalkeld | and summit sessions | 20:19 |
| shardy_ | asalkeld: sorry, super-laggy cellphone connection | 20:19 |
| asalkeld | we will have an impl. after summit | 20:19 |
| zaneb | asalkeld: cool, would be great to eliminate the custom metric altogether | 20:19 |
| asalkeld | but won't take long | 20:19 |
| zaneb | asalkeld: link to that review? | 20:19 |
| asalkeld | I'll look | 20:20 |
| asalkeld | might have been pulled down | 20:20 |
| asalkeld | not really the issue | 20:21 |
| asalkeld | it will get done | 20:21 |
| asalkeld | quickly once things are descided | 20:21 |
| sdake | ok anything else on that then zane? | 20:22 |
| zaneb | no, that sounds cool | 20:22 |
| sdake | tx | 20:22 |
| asalkeld | http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/details/69 | 20:22 |
| sdake | #topic open discussion | 20:23 |
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| asalkeld | http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/details/71 | 20:23 |
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| asalkeld | http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/details/62 | 20:23 |
| asalkeld | alarm/monitoring sessions | 20:23 |
| sdake | pretty quiet around here prepping for ODS | 20:24 |
| sdake | if there are no other topics, I'll end meeting | 20:24 |
| asalkeld | cool | 20:24 |
| sdake | #endmeeting | 20:24 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Mar 27 20:24:54 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:24 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2013/heat.2013-03-27-20.00.html | 20:24 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2013/heat.2013-03-27-20.00.txt | 20:24 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2013/heat.2013-03-27-20.00.log.html | 20:24 |
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| SpamapS | missed it? | 20:27 |
| asalkeld | quick today | 20:27 |
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| jd__ | #startmeeting ceilometer | 21:00 |
| jd__ | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/MeteringAgenda | 21:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Mar 27 21:00:55 2013 UTC. The chair is jd__. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: ceilometer)" | 21:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ceilometer' | 21:00 |
| jd__ | oyé oyé | 21:01 |
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| eglynn_ | o/ | 21:01 |
| dhellmann | o/ | 21:01 |
| llu-laptop | o/ | 21:01 |
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| shengjie_home | o/ | 21:01 |
| DanD | o/ | 21:01 |
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| esdaniel | o/ | 21:02 |
| epende | o/ | 21:02 |
| jd__ | hi everyone, nice to see you | 21:02 |
| nealph | \o (right-handed) | 21:02 |
| jd__ | let's start | 21:02 |
| jd__ | #topic eglynn amalgemate summit alarming proposals from 5 sessions to 3 | 21:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "eglynn amalgemate summit alarming proposals from 5 sessions to 3 (Meeting topic: ceilometer)" | 21:02 | |
| asalkeld | o/ | 21:02 |
| jd__ | this is already done | 21:02 |
| jd__ | thanks to eglynn_ I've a better understanding on how I can fit sessions together | 21:03 |
| eglynn_ | yep we discussed a potential session amalgamation on IRC | 21:03 |
| jd__ | btw this is the last days for submitting sessions | 21:03 |
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| eglynn_ | ... this will fall out of the mix when the session scheduling happens | 21:03 |
| jd__ | hi yjiang5_ | 21:03 |
| eglynn_ | (sessions can't be edited by the proposer once preapproved) | 21:03 |
| yjiang5_ | jd__: hi | 21:03 |
| jd__ | eglynn_: you'd like to edit? | 21:04 |
| jd__ | I can un-preapproved if you need | 21:04 |
| eglynn_ | jd__: yep, that sounds sensible | 21:04 |
| jd__ | but I can merge anyway later sessions with one click | 21:04 |
| eglynn_ | fair enough, which ever is most conveneient | 21:04 |
| shengjie_home | jd__: does that mean we can't associate bps to the topics anymore? | 21:05 |
| jd__ | well I think it's better for me to merge to emphasize we didn't get enough slots | 21:05 |
| jd__ | :-) | 21:05 |
| eglynn_ | jd__: cool | 21:05 |
| jd__ | shengjie_home: if your session is preapproved, you can't, but I can un-preapprove if you ened | 21:05 |
| jd__ | s/ened/need/ | 21:05 |
| shengjie_home | just two bps want to associate to eglynn's topic, they are going through our internal review process now | 21:06 |
| jd__ | #info eglynn gave hints to jd__ about how to merge alarming sessions | 21:06 |
| jd__ | shengjie_home: ok, then let's synchronize the three of us if you want to do that by the end of the week | 21:07 |
| shengjie_home | i guess we can take it off line when I have them ready | 21:07 |
| shengjie_home | jd__: cool | 21:07 |
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| jd__ | affirmative | 21:07 |
| eglynn_ | shengjie_home: once your BPs are internally reviewed, feel free to pass them around for review within this group | 21:07 |
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| yjiang5_ | shengjie_home: what's the BP about? | 21:07 |
| shengjie_home | eglynn_:thanks | 21:07 |
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| shengjie_home | yjiang5_:it's alarming, monitoring related, i will have them ready soon, keep u guys updated | 21:08 |
| dhellmann | yes, please, let's make sure we all have plenty of time to read the blueprints before the summit | 21:08 |
| yjiang5_ | shengjie_home: thanks. | 21:08 |
| jd__ | going on with action from last week if that's ok | 21:09 |
| jd__ | #topic eglynn get ceilo:stable/grizzly branch set up | 21:09 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "eglynn get ceilo:stable/grizzly branch set up (Meeting topic: ceilometer)" | 21:09 | |
| eglynn_ | so as far as I can make out, the stable branch is only cut once the final release tag is laid down | 21:09 |
| shengjie_home | yjiang5_:np, we just happen to have a heavy process :( internally, sorry about the delay | 21:09 |
| eglynn_ | so I'll re-action, assuming that's still a couple od days away ... | 21:10 |
| eglynn_ | #action eglynn get ceilo:stable/grizzly branch set up | 21:10 |
| dhellmann | eglynn_: won't that happen automatically as part of the release process? | 21:10 |
| asalkeld | I was about to say the same | 21:10 |
| jd__ | eglynn_: yeah I think we can only do that once we have released 2013.1 | 21:10 |
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| jd__ | we just need to ping ttx to do that at some point I guess | 21:11 |
| jd__ | he already cut milestone-proposed for us | 21:11 |
| eglynn_ | dhellmann: not sure for ceilo, as our stable branch won't be managed by the stable-maint team for the H cycle | 21:11 |
| eglynn_ | but I'll check with ttx in any case ... | 21:11 |
| dhellmann | ok | 21:11 |
| jd__ | eglynn_: yeah but I'd think that branch is cut by ttx -- but doesn't cost to check with him anyway | 21:11 |
| eglynn_ | cool | 21:11 |
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| jd__ | the guy is nice (AND HE IS READING THIS CHANNEL) | 21:12 |
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| eglynn_ | :) | 21:12 |
| jd__ | #topic jd__ Ask Nova team is a session talking about Ceilometer/Cell is worth it | 21:12 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "jd__ Ask Nova team is a session talking about Ceilometer/Cell is worth it (Meeting topic: ceilometer)" | 21:12 | |
| jd__ | jd__: go ahead | 21:12 |
| jd__ | jd__: thanks! | 21:12 |
| jd__ | so I sent a mail to the main implementer of nova cell | 21:13 |
| jd__ | and I didn't get any answer | 21:13 |
| nealph | So do we reach out to other core devs on that team? | 21:13 |
| dhellmann | I know this was something sandywalsh asked about, maybe he can help get the right person's attention | 21:13 |
| eglynn_ | both being RAX-ers and all ... | 21:14 |
| jd__ | I don't know, in the end I may just ask on openstack-devel but not sure we'll get more attention | 21:14 |
| jd__ | but I'll try anyway! | 21:14 |
| jd__ | #action jd__ Send a mail on openstack-devel to get more insight about nova cell and ceilometer support to know if it's worth a session | 21:15 |
| jd__ | #topic Release information | 21:15 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Release information (Meeting topic: ceilometer)" | 21:15 | |
| jd__ | so we released Grizzly RC1 | 21:15 |
| asalkeld | (nova session at summit?) | 21:15 |
| jd__ | asalkeld: it has been proposed inside ceilometer, but I'd love to reassign to nova :-) | 21:16 |
| eglynn_ | yep on the nova track if poss | 21:16 |
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| eglynn_ | (save us one session from our quota ....) | 21:16 |
| asalkeld | just to get some feedback | 21:16 |
| dhellmann | plus, if it's on our track, we can't be sure that anyone from nova will be there to help. | 21:17 |
| dhellmann | they might have a conflicting session | 21:17 |
| dhellmann | so, woo! for Grizzly RC1! | 21:17 |
| jd__ | #action jd__ reassign nova-cell/ceilometer session to nova | 21:17 |
| llu-laptop | what about python-ceilometerclient, any information about the process of releasing a client library? | 21:17 |
| jd__ | llu-laptop: good question | 21:17 |
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| jd__ | I *think* we can release it whenever we want | 21:18 |
| jd__ | and that we have the power to do so | 21:18 |
| dhellmann | llu-laptop: I believe the release happens automatically when we push a tag up to the repository. | 21:18 |
| jd__ | as dhellmann says | 21:18 |
| dhellmann | the tag becomes the version number | 21:18 |
| jd__ | I think we should do a first release, for the sake of releasing | 21:18 |
| jd__ | who's up for that? | 21:18 |
| dhellmann | +1 | 21:18 |
| asalkeld | +1 | 21:18 |
| llu-laptop | and that tag will automatically trigger a new version on pypi? | 21:19 |
| jd__ | and who's for doing it? | 21:19 |
| dhellmann | llu-laptop: yes | 21:19 |
| jd__ | llu-laptop: yes, everything is automagic in openstack! | 21:19 |
| asalkeld | I can, what's the version | 21:19 |
| dhellmann | s/openstack/magicstack/ | 21:19 |
| asalkeld | 1.0.0 | 21:19 |
| asalkeld | ? | 21:19 |
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| eglynn_ | whoever ends up doing the release, it would be good to capture the recipe on the wiki | 21:20 |
| dhellmann | that seems reasonable | 21:20 |
| eglynn_ | (so that anyone else can easily run the incantations next time ... ) | 21:20 |
| asalkeld | sure | 21:20 |
| esdaniel | i was going to say, i'd like to be around to follow the steps, could document for the releaser (asalkeld) | 21:20 |
| jd__ | 1.0.0 sounds fine indeed | 21:20 |
| asalkeld | cool, I'll do it today | 21:21 |
| asalkeld | and document | 21:21 |
| eglynn_ | great! | 21:21 |
| asalkeld | sounds like "git tag & git push" | 21:21 |
| jd__ | #action asalkeld to release python-ceilometerclient 1.0.0 and document the release process | 21:21 |
| asalkeld | (I have a review in client) | 21:22 |
| jd__ | asalkeld: that's exactly what Bilbo said with the ring thing etc, and see what happened then! | 21:22 |
| asalkeld | har | 21:22 |
| jd__ | be prepared buddy | 21:22 |
| asalkeld | any reviewers https://review.openstack.org/#/c/25503/ | 21:23 |
| asalkeld | (before releasing) | 21:23 |
| jd__ | asalkeld: I'll take a look | 21:23 |
| eglynn_ | asalkeld: I'll take a look after meeting | 21:23 |
| asalkeld | thx | 21:23 |
| jd__ | #topic Open discussion | 21:23 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open discussion (Meeting topic: ceilometer)" | 21:23 | |
| asalkeld | I have some questions | 21:24 |
| asalkeld | why do we not record the resource type | 21:24 |
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| dhellmann | I think we assumed it was implicit with the meter type | 21:24 |
| asalkeld | so you can query on resource_type=Instance|whatever | 21:24 |
| dhellmann | I'm starting to think we may want it now, though | 21:25 |
| asalkeld | ok | 21:25 |
| asalkeld | also: | 21:25 |
| jd__ | because we didn't see the need back then, and because it's not standardize, a bit the same problem we had with units | 21:25 |
| asalkeld | can we record the create/destroy timestamps? | 21:25 |
| jd__ | but I agree that wouldn't be something stupid | 21:25 |
| yjiang5_ | will different resource type have same meter type? | 21:25 |
| jd__ | yjiang5_: probably? | 21:26 |
| jd__ | asalkeld: how, why? | 21:26 |
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| asalkeld | so I can see what instances we created in the last X mins/hours | 21:26 |
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| asalkeld | is that useful to others? | 21:26 |
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| asalkeld | I wanted to make a "dashboard" for ceilo cliet | 21:27 |
| dhellmann | that does seem like it would be useful | 21:27 |
| asalkeld | so you can see what is happening on your cloud | 21:27 |
| eglynn_ | +1 | 21:27 |
| asalkeld | what has been created/destroyed | 21:27 |
| dhellmann | what we did for billing was just find the resources that had been updated in the last X minutes | 21:27 |
| asalkeld | what are the busy instances | 21:27 |
| dhellmann | but that doesn't tell the same thing | 21:28 |
| asalkeld | yea | 21:28 |
| eglynn_ | how much change would be involved to set the resource_type across the board? | 21:28 |
| dhellmann | I believe the stacktach guys are saving the create/delete timestamps separately, too | 21:28 |
| jd__ | asalkeld: I think it's a good idea, but I don't think we can store this as it is right now | 21:28 |
| jd__ | I mean, it does require a certain amount of change in the storage drivers | 21:28 |
| * eglynn_ wonder if too invasive to sneak into an RC2 | 21:28 | |
| jd__ | we can't store that as 'meters' | 21:28 |
| asalkeld | so in the db we could see if it exists | 21:28 |
| dhellmann | eglynn_: yeah, this would definitely be a havana change | 21:29 |
| eglynn_ | k | 21:29 |
| shengjie_home | it does, also counter obj needs to be changed to have resource type | 21:29 |
| asalkeld | (and have a create date) | 21:29 |
| asalkeld | so there is no rush for this | 21:29 |
| asalkeld | just an idea | 21:29 |
| dhellmann | part of the trouble is the event being given to the storage driver has the details stripped | 21:29 |
| asalkeld | nice selling point for ceilo | 21:29 |
| jd__ | asalkeld: sounds like a good one, you should start by creating a bp I guess | 21:29 |
| dhellmann | so we don't know that it was a create or a delete, just an update | 21:29 |
| jd__ | dhellmann: we can build a new interface to the storage driver for that? | 21:30 |
| asalkeld | cool, I'll make a bp | 21:30 |
| jd__ | dhellmann: I mean just changing the/adding a record function | 21:30 |
| asalkeld | I think it's not a bad idea to be explicit about resource management | 21:30 |
| dhellmann | jd__: I think, based on some things sandywalsh has said, we'll want a storage API that receives the notifications themselves | 21:30 |
| shengjie_home | so all the storage drivers need to have a small bp for that? | 21:30 |
| asalkeld | I'll make one to start with | 21:31 |
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| asalkeld | that's all from me | 21:31 |
| dhellmann | asalkeld: look through the summit session blueprints, I think one may already include some details like this | 21:31 |
| asalkeld | cool | 21:31 |
| jd__ | dhellmann: concerning the collector as it designed currentl that remains to be seen -- for other tools, I wouldn't say | 21:32 |
| shengjie_home | dhellmann: i have a bp coming up related to that too | 21:32 |
| jd__ | shengjie_home: no, I don't think so | 21:32 |
| dhellmann | jd__: we'll have to see what we want to actually do, but I think the idea was to save the raw notification for auditing | 21:33 |
| jd__ | dhellmann: I know, it remains to be seens if auditing is part of the "openstack metering project" | 21:35 |
| dhellmann | gotcha | 21:36 |
| shengjie_home | jd__: I meant like the record_metering_data() etc etc needs to be updated to store resource_type in each driver | 21:37 |
| dhellmann | shengjie_home: yes, but I don't think we need a separate blueprint for each driver, do we? | 21:37 |
| shengjie_home | aha , u were talking about bp. no , probably not | 21:37 |
| jd__ | shengjie_home: indeed, but we already do that work in order to add the 'unit' field, it's not really a challenge now | 21:37 |
| shengjie_home | jd__:agree | 21:38 |
| asalkeld | can't we just record the first part of "event_type" | 21:38 |
| asalkeld | ~= resource type | 21:38 |
| asalkeld | compute/volume etc | 21:39 |
| dhellmann | asalkeld: that seems like a good approximation | 21:39 |
| asalkeld | maybe then this could be done in one place too | 21:39 |
| asalkeld | (sorry guys - I need to go take kids to school) | 21:40 |
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| jd__ | cya asalkeld | 21:40 |
| dhellmann | oh, I gave a presentation at pycon us about a week ago talking a bit about ceilometer's design | 21:42 |
| dhellmann | #link http://pyvideo.org/video/1789/dynamic-code-patterns-extending-your-application | 21:42 |
| eglynn_ | cool | 21:42 |
| shengjie_home | cool | 21:42 |
| jd__ | great | 21:43 |
| zzs | nice! | 21:43 |
| llu-laptop | cool | 21:43 |
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| dhellmann | that's all I have for today | 21:44 |
| dhellmann | If there isn't anything else, are there any objections to wrapping up a few minutes early? | 21:45 |
| eglynn_ | ich auch | 21:45 |
| yjiang5_ | I'm taken away to another urgent task recently, so will not work on ceilometer | 21:45 |
| yjiang5_ | at least for one month | 21:45 |
| dhellmann | :-( | 21:45 |
| dhellmann | ah, ok, a time limit, that's ok then :-) | 21:45 |
| eglynn_ | yjiang5_: hurry back! :) | 21:45 |
| dhellmann | definitely! | 21:45 |
| shengjie_home | yjiang5_: :) | 21:45 |
| jd__ | +1 | 21:45 |
| yjiang5_ | Sure :) | 21:45 |
| llu-laptop | +1 | 21:46 |
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| jd__ | anything else or should I close this meeting? | 21:47 |
| zzs | how about the healthnmon? | 21:48 |
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| eglynn_ | they were going to propose something for summit IIRC | 21:48 |
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| dhellmann | I think I saw a conference presentation from them | 21:48 |
| eglynn_ | a-ha, ok ... | 21:48 |
| nealph | sandywalsh has a bp out there on a new ceilometer client...any precedence for suggesting some else's bp for discussion? He's not here to defend himself... | 21:49 |
| nealph | s/some/someone | 21:49 |
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| zzs | eglynn_ dhellmann: I see, thank you. | 21:49 |
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| ttx | jd__: yes, stable/grizzly is cut at release time | 21:50 |
| jd__ | ttx: thanks for the answer | 21:50 |
| eglynn_ | ttx: cool, thanks! | 21:50 |
| nealph | summit discussion, that is. | 21:51 |
| dhellmann | nealph: I think our summit sessions are full already, aren't they? | 21:51 |
| llu-laptop | is there any scheduled summit to talk with healthnmon guys ? | 21:51 |
| nealph | that may be...I'll see if I can take it up offline with him. | 21:52 |
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| jd__ | I'd be happy to plan a session with healthnmon but I don't feel like running after them | 21:53 |
| eglynn_ | +1 | 21:54 |
| jd__ | anything else, we still have 5 minutes | 21:55 |
| esdaniel | hai ;-) | 21:55 |
| jd__ | ok, thanks guys | 21:56 |
| jd__ | #endmeeting | 21:56 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Mar 27 21:56:30 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:56 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ceilometer/2013/ceilometer.2013-03-27-21.00.html | 21:56 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ceilometer/2013/ceilometer.2013-03-27-21.00.txt | 21:56 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ceilometer/2013/ceilometer.2013-03-27-21.00.log.html | 21:56 |
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| yjiang5_ | esdaniel: your "hai" is too later :) | 21:57 |
| esdaniel | yjiang5 I guess I have to live with that, /me sigh | 21:57 |
| jd__ | ah sorry didn't think hai was to say something :) | 21:58 |
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| zzs | jd_: I think it is 'Hi', if my understanding is correct. :-) | 22:00 |
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| zzs | s/is/means/ | 22:01 |
| esdaniel | lolcat speak, forgive my childishness of using 'o hai' | 22:01 |
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