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alexpilottihi guys15:02
alexpilottiwho's around today for the Hyper-V meeting?15:02
pnavarroI'm here  alexpilotti15:03
alexpilottilooks like we'll have a quite fast meting :-)15:03
alexpilotti#startmeeting hyper-v15:04
openstackMeeting started Tue Apr  2 15:04:12 2013 UTC.  The chair is alexpilotti. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.15:04
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.15:04
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'hyper_v'15:04
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alexpilotti#topic Grizzly tests15:04
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alexpilottiNot having a CI infrastructure in place yet, we need to rely to massive testing before the release15:05
alexpilottiand it looks like this is the time to do it :-)15:05
alexpilottiI guess that the call for testers didn't attract too many people today :-D15:05
pnavarrodo you have news about the chinese guys who were having issues with storage?15:05
alexpilottiI'm going to ping him to see what's going on15:06
alexpilottiwell I guess we can move on, lol15:06
alexpilotti#topic Windows Cloud-Init15:07
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alexpilottiplenty of new features here15:07
alexpilottiIncluding partition resize15:07
alexpilottibased e.g. on the flavor15:07
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alexpilottiwhen cloud-init starts it looks for empty storage extents and extents the adjacent partitions15:08
alexpilottithe cool part is that it works on 2003's system partitions as well (diskpart doesn't for example)15:08
alexpilotti100% writte in Python, no external tools15:08
pnavarrocool bits !15:09
alexpilottiAnother feature is sysprep integration15:09
alexpilottinow the installer executes sysprep automatically at the end of the setup15:09
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alexpilottimore EC2 bits have been contributed by Mirantis15:09
alexpilottiso compatibility with Essex improved a lot15:10
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alexpilottiOk, moving on :-)15:11
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pnavarrohehe !15:11
alexpilotti#topic General discussion15:11
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pnavarroso the design session has been approved?15:11
alexpilottipreapproved afaik15:11
alexpilottilet me check the status of the others15:12
alexpilottilooks like 20-30% are scheduled15:12
alexpilottiall the others are preapproved15:12
alexpilotti#link http://summit.openstack.org/15:12
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alexpilottiplus a huge bunch of unreviewed or refused15:13
alexpilottiwith this amount of sessions we'll need a 6 months summit, not release cycle, lol15:14
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pnavarrojaja !15:14
alexpilottiChanging subject15:14
alexpilottiadded Qpid support in the Nova Compute installer15:15
alexpilottiin the interface as well15:15
alexpilottiplus a bunch of default values for resize15:15
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alexpilottirunning_deleted_instance_action, running_deleted_instance_poll_interval, resize_confirm_window15:15
alexpilottiand: resume_guests_state_on_host_boot15:15
alexpilottiwe're almost done with the Dashboard as well15:16
pnavarroyou mean, RDP ?15:16
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pnavarronice, I'm looking forward to looking at it !15:17
alexpilottithe only issue is that we are using some private Nova APIs15:17
ociuhanduHi all :) Sorry to be late :)15:17
alexpilottithe meeting room is overflowing!15:17
alexpilottiso we discussed about adding a public HTTP API to validate the nova-consoleauth token15:18
ociuhanduwell, with 199 members … ;)15:18
alexpilottiwe'll discuss this at the Summit in the Nova design sessions15:19
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alexpilottialright, anything to add guys?15:19
* alexpilotti is eyeing a BigMac, which is meant be a late lunch :-)15:20
hanrahatmake that an egg mcmuffin for me :-)15:20
alexpilottilol, unfortunately we don't have many choices at the office today15:21
alexpilottiok guys, if there are no more topis, we can end the meeting15:22
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alexpilottiGreat, looking forward for the release this week!15:23
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openstackMeeting ended Tue Apr  2 15:23:22 2013 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)15:23
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alexpilottipnavarro: when are you going / leaving from Portland?15:23
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EstevaoHessHP_Hello everyone, For clients changes, is it also needed bluepirnts?17:49
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stevemarkeystone time?18:00
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dolphm#topic RC318:02
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dolphmwe cut RC3 this morning with the db engine/connectionpool issue fixed, along with termie's patch to v3 auth18:02
dolphmwe have two more days in grizzly but it looks like RC3 will ship as grizzly unaltered (no RC4)18:03
dolphmbasically anything else triggering a new RC has to be a critical issue18:03
bknudsondid you consider this one: https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-keystoneclient/+bug/116163318:03
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1161633 in tempest "V3 token fails with KeyError 'expires'" [Undecided,In progress]18:03
dolphmgrats everyone :)18:03
dolphmbknudson: clients are not held to the release cycle18:04
dolphmbknudson: we can push a new version anytime, and will be doing so soon18:04
dolphmthat's my next priority before the summit18:04
EstevaoHessHP_#info   Hello everyone, For clients changes, is it also needed bluepirnts?18:04
dolphmEstevaoHessHP_: it's a looser process, but yes, we have blueprints for keystoneclient18:04
ayoungdolphm, did you "global engine everywhere" patch pave the way for doing in memory sqlite for all of the tests?18:04
dolphmayoung: yeah, that was the original goal18:05
EstevaoHessHP_Thanks Dolphm18:05
dolphm#topic State of LDAP in Grizzly18:05
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dolphmso, i don't have that much insight into ldap proceedings / what's lacking / etc18:05
bknudsonis anyone planning to use the LDAP backend?18:05
dolphmso i was hoping our ldap crew could chime in?18:05
ayoungbknudson, UI would expect so18:06
dolphmbknudson: absolutely18:06
ayoungaside from the amount of work CERN did early in the release on AD issues for LDAP18:06
ayoungwe have a significant effort from the IBMers on making LDAP a first class citizen Id Provider18:06
spzalaI have code up for review for roles grant to ldap group #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/25329/18:06
dolphmi'm primarily asking because any problems need to be reflected in https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ReleaseNotes/Grizzly#Known_Issues_518:06
henrynashtopol, comment?18:06
bknudsonare we going to provide migrations for anyone using LDAP in G to H?18:07
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ayoungspzala, that is ready to go?18:07
ayoungbknudson, I think we are going to have to18:07
ayoungat a minimum, for p[eople using the default schemas18:07
spzalaayoung: Yes, I think so.18:07
dolphmbknudson: yes18:07
topolso doing double duty, slow to respond. but if necesary we should provide migrations18:07
spzalaayoung: I tested with ldap live test and that went well.18:07
ayoungbknudson, the way we are doing domains for Grizzly is under review, and will most likely change in H18:08
dolphma document, if not an automated approach18:08
ayoungspzala, looking at Roles patch now18:08
spzalaayoung: cool. Thanks!18:08
dolphmwith rc3, could a havana ldap deployment use v3? or would you need to remove ldap from the pipeline?18:08
ayoungspzala, BTW,  I am not going to recommend holding up the release for it, but we can certainly try to get it backported to Grizzly Stable.18:09
dolphmor is it only new grizzly features that aren't implemented (grant role to user on domain?)18:09
spzalaayoung: I have also added in today's agenda about possible redesign approach for ldap domain in Havana.18:09
dolphmayoung: it's far too late for new features to land in grizzly18:09
ayoungdolphm, oh, yeah18:09
ayoungdolphm, so here's the short on the Havana Domains thing18:10
spzalaayoung: OK, that sounds great to me.18:10
ayoungright now, domain is an attribute on just about everything18:10
ayoung and the attribute we are using is...suspect...18:10
ayoungit is a misappropriation18:10
ayoungbut domains indicate a higher level of separation anyway18:11
ayoungand the LDAP way is for each domain to be in their own subtree.18:11
spzalaayoung: we have businessCategory for domain_id attribute.18:11
ayoungso, for a single domain deploy, G and H will look roughly the same18:11
ayoungfo a G deploy with two domains, we will have to port one of them to a separate subtree18:11
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ayoungspzala, yep.18:11
dolphmayoung: is that an issue with grizzly, or is that just a non-ideal compared to the plans for havana?18:12
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ayoungdolphm, this is the plan for Havana18:12
ayoungin grizzly, we use the attribute18:12
dolphmayoung: for now, i need to know what won't work in grizzly w/ ldap :)18:12
ayoungand we will need a migration plan for havana18:12
spzalaayoung: yes, about domain specific sub tree, that's what I have tried to have in design for which I have a etherpad link later in the agenda.18:12
dolphmthe rest is summit-speak :)18:12
ayoungdolphm, yep,  I've moved on.  Unless there are fires to put out, I'm not Hunting Grizzlye's anymore18:13
dolphmspzala: can you summarize what was implemented here and add it to known issues for grizzly? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/25329/18:13
dolphmspzala: assuming it poses a blocker for a grizzly deploy, and it's not a forward-looking feature add18:13
spzaladolphm: sure. So this one is mainly granting the role to the ldap groups18:14
dolphmso what i want to confirm: v3 + ldap in grizzly has feature parity with v2 + ldap in folsom, correct?18:15
spzaladolphm: also I tried to have generic grant for groups and uses as it was designed in the tests18:15
dolphmjust want to make sure we haven't moved backwards18:15
ayoungdolphm, it limits grizzly/ldap usability, but does not completely destroy it.  It would be sad to be missing, and I would argue for putting it into Grizzly stable, but it should not block the release18:15
dolphmayoung: i'm not opposed to seeing that argument18:15
spzaladolphm: agree with ayoung.18:16
ayoungdolphm, I don't think we are missing anything that was in V2 LDAP in Folsom/18:16
dolphmayoung: spzala: bknudson: henrynash: topol: (and anyone else) if ya'll want to make enough noise to see that patch backported, do it on the mailing list, but you're facing very low adds at this point18:16
dolphmayoung: thanks18:16
dolphm#topic Review, revise & amend Keystone's release notes18:16
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dolphm#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ReleaseNotes/Grizzly#OpenStack_Identity_.28Keystone.2918:17
bknudsonon this topic, sdague posted to openstack-dev ...18:17
bknudsonsdague: currious what the expected upgrade path is for keystone folsom users is, as the keystone folsom config doesn't seem to work at all with grizzly code18:17
dolphmwe already touched on this, but go revise release notes :)18:17
dolphmi'm sure there are upgrade issues and new features i didn't capture18:17
dolphmso add what you worked on!18:17
dolphmmake sure people know about all our goodness18:18
dolphmand related....18:18
bknudsonsdague didn't say what the problems were.18:18
dolphm#topic Grizzly Documentation18:18
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dolphmopenstack-manuals needs some love -- everyone should take a pass through everything keystone related and make sure everything is up to date and that we're not documenting deprecated options, etc18:18
dolphm#topic Design summit sessions18:19
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dolphm#link http://summit.openstack.org/18:19
bknudsonwhat's the schedule for the documentation?18:19
bknudsondoes it have to be done at the same time as release?18:19
dolphmbknudson: we have about a month window until docs open for havana18:19
dolphmi'm happy to hear proponents & opponents of seeing any given session on the agenda18:20
bknudsondolphm: thanks... I might have some time at the end of the month.18:20
ayoungSo..I have a scheduled session on FreeIPA integration that is in the security track18:20
ayoungand I am unsure what the state of it is18:20
ayoungAs it shows up on the schedule18:21
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dolphmmy primary goals in scheduling sessions is simply that there will be an engaging discussion with a useful conclusion impacting the future of keystone dev in havana18:21
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henrynashdolphm: so I updated http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/details/157 as requested18:21
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dolphmhenrynash: i haven't reviewed yet, but thank you :)18:21
ayoungOr at least it was...18:21
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dolphmayoung: where are you looking?18:22
dolphmi haven't pushed anything to the schedule yet18:22
dolphmnor scheduled anything18:22
ayoungdolphm, just got a link from our PR person that was tracking it...one sec18:22
ayoungdolphm, it happend before you, but maybe it got nixed18:22
dolphmayoung: i think ttx reset some scheduling stuff when he opened it for final scheduling18:22
dolphmayoung: i'm not clear on the details of what happens after the review process18:23
ayoungBut maybe that session is now orphaned.18:23
dolphmayoung: the primary issue with your that session is that it's about how to integrate a tool with openstack, and doesn't concern the development of keystone in havana18:23
ayoungAh...it is scheduled at the same time as a Keystone session, but it is not in the Keystone track18:24
ayoungdolphm, right...so here is my thinking18:24
dolphmayoung: final schedule will be settled on April 9th, i'm not sure what sched.org will reflect until then18:24
ayoungdolphm, I'll try to get it bumped earlier, so people don't have to choose between Keystone and Security tracks18:24
ayoungbasically, it ties in with the technology overview18:25
ayoungit is easier to say FreeIPA than to say18:25
ayoungKerberos, LDAP, X509 and DNS18:25
dolphmayoung: there's definitely a track for such sessions that would be a better fit than keystone, but i'm not sure what that would be (there's workshops at every summit, but i don't know what they fall under)18:25
joesavako/ sorry i'm late18:26
dolphmjoesavak: o/18:26
ayoungAnd if affects components beyond just what Keystone does.  For example, looking at securing the Database connections for multiple Keystones talking to one DB18:26
dolphmthis was a late submission by nsavin -- http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/details/23918:26
dolphm(nsavin -- i assume you're not here?)18:26
ayoungdolphm, merge with HATEOAS?18:27
dolphmi'm happy to see an architecture discussion, but there's no precedence for needing such a session -- this is out of the blue18:28
dolphmayoung: there's a HATEOS session?18:28
ayoungdolphm, so the thing about the FreeIPA talk is it ties in with the other talks about security technologies.18:28
ayoungdolphm, it is on today's agneda18:28
ayoung#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/KeystoneMeeting18:28
dolphmknown issues for summit?18:29
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dolphmno session was proposed on the topic18:29
ayoungjust that the SOA and HATEOAS subjects both address organization of the URLS and resources under Keystone.18:29
ayoungdolphm, yeah.  We can do a session on it, but we seemed to be full up18:29
dolphmayoung: we're well over18:30
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ayoungI was OK with continuing the discussion in IRC/mail, as I think that it is sufficient to address18:30
dolphmneed to cut at least 3 session at this point18:30
ayoungwe can also have some casual talks between developers over it, but no need to steal an hour for it18:30
ayoungI've posted my WIP to get things rolling, and that should suffice, I would think18:30
dolphmayoung: to do -- summit sessions are intended to hash stuff out that has proven to be difficult to discuss/design over email, irc, etc18:31
dolphmi'd like to have a regular "keystone unconference" for the days leading up to our track18:31
ayoungdolphm, +218:31
dolphmjust open floor for a couple days18:32
ayoungdolphm, I think the single largest issue we should address is how to move beyond bearer tokens.  The rest is implementation details18:32
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ayoungLDAP support def needs people to come together to voice their requirments18:32
dolphmayoung: agree, that's a bit of dwaite's session and (as i understand) henrynash's session on generic auth18:33
dolphmi assume oauth2 will be the topic of conversation for both those sessions, unless there's a strong argument for another contender18:33
ayoungdolphm, there are two sides.  One is using a mechanism that is not yet part of Keystone, but the other is what to do about the current token architecture.18:34
ayoungdolphm, oauth1, not 2, if termie has anything to say about it...and I think I agree with him on that18:34
dolphmah, i'm not familiar with the differences18:34
ayoungbut that is delegation, which doesn't address the fact that current tokens are bearer tokens18:34
dwaiteI am hoping that there is enough overlap that maintaining the current token architecture is not a headache18:34
dolphmand i'm honestly not sure which i've used18:34
topolwhy oaut1 instead of oauth2.  I believe oauth2 is getting good traction18:35
stevemarayoung: +1, that is what i've been been reading about18:35
ayoungtopol, that needs to be an unconference brawl...er..discussion18:35
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dolphm"Many services such as Facebook, Github, and Google have already deployed OAuth 2 servers, and deployed implementations win." -dwaite's session http://aaronparecki.com/articles/2012/07/29/1/oauth2-simplified18:35
ayoungor something18:35
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dwaiteI'd be up for a gentleman's brawl!18:36
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dolphmthe summit should be a brawl, i hope that's clear to everyone18:36
dwaiteor nerf guns at 20 paces18:36
zykes-dolphm: what about OpenID Connect ?18:36
topolwarren zevon song??? send lawyers, guns and money..18:36
dwaitezykes-: what about OpenID Connect in particular?18:36
ayoungdolphm, as I have learned, we ignore termie at our peril.  He stated something to the effect that 2 is not a valid replacement for 1....lets just make sure we get on the same page as far as delegation goes18:36
dolphmpowerpoint slides and polite clapping shouldn't be expected18:37
ayoungI personally want to do the foam-rubber larp type sword fighting thing myself18:37
zykes-dwaite: nothing in particular18:37
dolphmzykes-: dwaite: was openid included/excluded from your talk? if excluded, reason why?18:37
ayoungThere are a slew of standards to consider18:37
dwaiteopenid 1/2, yes. Openid connect, no.18:37
ayoungI think they fall into two camps:  enterprise and web.18:38
dwaiteI would like to cover it, but I'm trying to reduce scope so there is discussion/brawling time18:38
ayoungOn the enterprise side is the technologies I'm addressing in the FreeIPA session.  On the Web side we have dwaite 's session18:38
dolphmayoung: +1 on the "let's make sure"18:38
ayoungoauth 1,2 SAML, openid, and so on18:39
dwaiteI am btw very disappointed the Free IPA site does not have a form where I can submit my details to receive beer at no cost18:39
henrynashi'd have thought the key thing for us is to agree how we modify keystone to allow the various studs to be supported/plugged in by those who require the,18:39
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joesavak1: Saml, 2: OAuth, 3: OpenID, 4: SCIM is my order18:39
henrynashstuds? I mean standards !!!!18:39
ayoungWe should remember that AMQP is a fundamental portion of OpenStack and that we need to support non HTTPS technologies18:39
zykes-joesavak: OIC then, isn't that OpenID + OAuth2 ? :)18:40
ayoungdwaite, no, it is Free and in Free Quid, Guvnah.18:40
ayoungas in18:40
dolphmhenrynash: at the api / project integration level or in implementation?18:40
joesavakoauth authZ and openID authN18:40
joesavakauthZ more important for partner use cases. ; )18:40
dolphmhenrynash: because implementation is for code review, although working implementations are welcome talking points at the summit18:40
henrynashso api/project integration must be first18:40
dolphmhenrynash: cool18:40
zykes-fyi for you guys, check out: https://github.com/rohe?tab=repositories18:41
ayoungjoesavak, so there is the perpetual session from Kent to remember as well.  Closes the summit once again18:41
dwaiteOpenID Connect is a profile on top of OAuth 2.0, if we don't get to it in sessions I'll def. unconference it18:41
joesavaklove it. The only reason why I attend18:41
dwaiteI'll get an outline together for next week of the topics to better judge time18:41
zykes-A dude at the Umeå university of Sweden that has done alot of work on it fyi!18:41
termiedolphm: i requisitioned some custom tools for the summit18:42
zykes-better described: "Federation Lab" is a collaboration between some entities about Federation18:42
termiedolphm: we'll see whether they are fabricated in time18:42
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dolphmtermie: i'm not sure i should anyone should feel comfortable with your definitions of "tools" lol18:43
ayoungtermie, the two technologies you've brought up recently are Cassiopea [sp/] and oauth 1.  Anything else that you think needs to be on the agenda?18:43
dolphmi or anyone should*18:43
termieayoung: uhhhhh18:43
termieayoung: cassandra18:43
topoltermie, if beer is made available Im in18:43
ayoungright mythos, wrong damsel18:44
ayoungAnd we all know what happens to people that don't listen to Cassandra.  The greeks get 'em18:45
termietopol AND savak18:45
termieit's all mispelled star trek in here18:45
dolphmso i know this is going to take the next 15 minutes up pretty easily...18:45
dolphm#topic Discussion/review request for LDAP domain design for Havana18:45
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dolphm#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/keystone-ldap-domain-support18:45
dolphm(not sure who put this on the agenda?)18:45
spzaladolphm: I have added this in18:45
ayoungdolphm, I thought we covered that already18:45
joesavakSavak is correctly spelled star trek.18:46
spzaladolphm: this is about a blueprint I am working on for ldap domain support re-design18:46
dolphm#link https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bw37kS-ubhFMdzM5QlVCUGI5ZWc/edit?pli=118:46
dolphmdid we discuss that ^ ?18:46
ayoungdolphm, yep18:46
joesavaker - n/m18:46
topollets make sure. want to get it right18:46
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spzalathought to have it out mainly for ayoung, henry-nash and all interested parties in LDAP's feedback18:47
ayoungtopol, this is probably not the forum for it18:47
ayoungI think that it is best discussed at the Summit, when we can pull in non-keystone devs with an interest in the LDAP back end18:47
topolayouhng, agreed, but at least people can start looking at it in their copious spare time18:47
ayoungand get them to confirm/deny18:47
topoldefinitely need stakeholder input from other teams18:48
ayoungtopol, those of us that know LDAP have already discussed it, and I summarized for the rest.  PLease, all feel free to ask questions.18:48
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topolOK good18:48
termiejoesavak: saavik?18:48
termiejoesavak: there's probably a savak too though, vulcans and their names18:49
bknudsonthis new design requires changes to the ldap schema?18:49
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termiei bet vipul is one too18:49
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spzalaayoung: if can please take a look at the doc and tell me that I have put it in a right way, that would be very helpful.18:49
spzalaayoung: so that I stay in the right direction18:50
ayoungbknudson, let me be specific18:50
joesavakcan i get someone to look at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/25298/ - RST doc changes for the old 2.0 stuff18:50
ayoungin this case, it requires no changes to the schema18:50
ayoungit does change the assumptions about the layout18:50
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bknudsonthere are ? for domain_id.18:50
ayoungand it will stop using the businessCategory attribute18:51
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bknudsonIs this meant to match any existing LDAP deployment?18:51
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spzalabknudson: we have domain_id but with layout change I think it's not needed but I wanted to have it there for feedback18:51
ayoungbknudson, I would say that it is meant to match best practices for LDAP, so it is more likely to match an existing LDAP setup18:52
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bknudsonwhy not ou=default container for the default domain rather than default domain is right under root?18:53
topolayoung, other thing we should do (if not done already) is look at the LDAP support the apache ldap authorization module provides to perhaps steal some best practices from that18:53
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ayoungtopol, good idea18:53
dolphmgeneral ldap question: how much of this is configurable in keystone for deployments? what's not configurable or has very little flexibility?18:53
bknudsonI don't think apache has projects.18:53
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ayoungbknudson, mod_auth_ldap18:54
spzalabknudson: thought good idea to keep it the same way we have in originally for the default in stead of adding a 'default' in the tree18:54
ayoungspzala, agreed18:54
bknudsonthere's just some unique things about openstack... it has projects, which other apps don't have.18:54
dwaite(five minute warning)18:55
ayoungit is unlikely that most people are going to use multiple domains, and for those deployments, we want to keep the tree sane.  However, for multiple domains, we might want to be able to specify the segment for the default domain18:55
ayoungI would not hard code it to 'default'18:55
ayoungand, it might be that the entire DN chain is different18:56
bknudsonayoung: that sounds good to me, the diagram has ou=Users right under root.18:56
ayoungdolphm, perhaps, or perhaps we state that domains must be listed in the config file.  We need a way to be able to enumerate them,18:56
ayoungI opened this blueprint as a placeholder18:57
ayoungwe can axe that if it is unnecessary18:57
ayoungI suspect that creating a domain will be an unusual activity18:57
dolphmayoung: one step further, it almost makes sense to make the ldap driver an external project...18:58
ayoungand I am OK with inflicting a little extra pain upon domain creation for that reason18:58
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topolso whatever we do, we need to make sure that is a customer only has users and groups of users in their ldap we understand how we map them given they dont have domains or projects in ldap18:58
joesavakayoung - we're using domains for customers18:58
joesavakso hopefully it's not too unusual18:58
joesavakor ldap domain?18:59
ayoungjoesavak, how often do you create a new domain?  Hourly, daily, monthly?18:59
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bknudsonthere was also discussion of having different backend per domain.18:59
ayoungIf it has to be quick, then the format is going to be pretty homogenized18:59
bknudsonso maybe need json for domains.18:59
ayoungbknudson, yeah, that was brought up18:59
ayoungI'm not sure I buy that, though19:00
ayoungI think the Keystone Federation approach makes a lot more sense there.19:00
ayoungWe are at 15:00.19:00
ayoungdolphm, we probably need to vacate the premises19:01
dolphmayoung: ah, thanks19:01
dwaiteQuick note; the company I work for (Ping Identity) is putting on their Cloud Identity Summit again this year, this time in Napa, CA. Details at http://www.cloudidentitysummit.com19:01
dolphmswitching to -dev!19:01
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jeblair#topic actions from last meeting19:02
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jeblairclarkb: how's that hpcs account thing coming?19:03
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clarkbthe account has been created. mordred has sent email requesting that it not be billed for our use.19:03
clarkbI recently realized that I need to check if he also requested that our quotas be increased and will do that if he hasn't done so19:03
clarkbonce we have these two things I will add az3 to devstack gate using these credentials19:04
jeblairclarkb: cool, thanks... also, do we need to ask that things be enabled, like block and blob storage?19:04
clarkbjeblair: no, we can simply do that through the web gui which was oen of the motivations for creating a second less complicated account19:04
jeblairclarkb: gotcha19:05
jeblairfungi: i saw you say something about gerrit groups this weekend...19:05
fungiyep, we changed some19:05
fungi#link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2013-March/007087.html19:05
fungiso now the old .*-drivers groups in gerrit are renamed .*-milestone19:05
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fungialso i have a review in to make use of the .*-ptl groups i created...19:06
fungi#link https://review.openstack.org/2580619:06
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fungieyeballs appreciated19:06
jeblairfungi: cool, thanks19:07
fungialso if anyone wants to check behind me that i got the ptls right (went by the election results) that would also be appreciated19:07
jeblair#topic grenade19:08
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jeblairsdague has been doing a lot of work getting grenade in shape for running in ci19:08
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jeblairi've been pitching in a bit to fix up devstack-gate19:08
sdagueI only have minor dents in my desk from my forehead hitting it19:09
clarkbno shrapnel?19:09
fungimerely flash grenades19:09
jeblairsdague: anything you need from me/us?19:09
sdaguenah, all blunt trauma at this point19:09
sdagueno, I think the gate scripts are good now19:09
sdaguenow it's just a matter of getting the projects to roll across19:10
jeblairokay, let me know if you want to enable non-voting jobs on the projects themselves19:10
sdagueit's going to probably be a bit still19:11
jeblair#topic gearman19:11
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jeblairwe've started testing zaro's plugin on jenkins-dev19:12
zarofixing your wonderful bugs.19:12
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jeblairi've also found that python-gearman doesn't seem well-suited for doing async foreground jobs with gearman19:12
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jeblairpython-libgearman is an alternative, it's a swig wrapper around libgearman19:13
jeblairbut it is incomplete, and doesn't currently wrap the functions that i think we need19:13
jeblairso i talked with the maintainer of python-libgearman....19:14
jeblairmordred: hi there!19:14
jeblairand we think that doing a new python-libgearman using cffi would be a good idea19:14
fungithere's also a change pending to open firewall rules it needs on zuul19:14
fungi#link https://review.openstack.org/2558319:14
jeblairi should be able to hack together enough to do hello-world pretty quickly and guage how well that's going to work out19:15
jeblair(and how long it would take)19:15
jeblairbut libgearman isn't a big library so it shouldn't take long19:15
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jeblairand i think by doing that, we'll have a solid basis to build on that's much more compatible with the way we want to use gearman19:16
jeblairanyway, i'll propose a new repo for it as soon as i have something19:16
jeblairand once that's in place, i think the zuul integration shouldn't be very difficult19:17
jeblairany thoughts or anything else about gearman?19:17
jeblair#link https://cffi.readthedocs.org/en/release-0.5/19:17
zaroi don't have anything19:17
jeblairthat's cffi -- it seems to be a very nice new way to wrap c libs19:17
clarkbthat doesn't look bad19:18
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jeblairclarkb: mordred was pointing me at the callbacks section which looks particularly clean19:19
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jeblairhe mentioned callbacks are usually the messiest part of these things19:19
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jeblair#topic pypi mirror / requirements19:19
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jeblairso that's fully in place now, i think next up is better gating jobs (clarkb has a patch), and then things we need to figure out at the summit (like stable branches)19:20
fungiany feel for when we should delete the old pypi.o.o vm?19:20
jeblairfungi: i think we can do that now.19:21
fungii'll add that to my list for the evening19:21
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jeblairif something really bad happens, it's easy to just stick a file in the mirror directory19:21
clarkbmy change should be good to go if I can get some reviews19:22
jeblairso i don't think there's anything on there we need19:22
clarkb(for betting gating)19:22
fungiwe'll need a designated bookie19:22
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jeblair#topic baremetal testing19:23
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pleia2so I've been quiet in -infra lately because I've been over in #tripleo doing testing with echohead of his baremetal stuff19:23
pleia2(and sometimes we break mordred's laptop!)19:23
jeblairpleia2: be careful, they don't make mordred's laptop anymore19:23
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pleia2we've got a few challenges there still, but I think most of them have to be tackled once echohead finishes his design decisions for his bootstrap VM19:24
pleia2so that chugs along, and I could also use something else to work on now that reviewday is done, there is downtime while he fixes scripts and we go through reviews19:24
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* mordred also spent a few minutes looking at devstack-gate caching logic inside of diskimage-builder elements ... but don't think I hav anything super useful for us yet19:25
clarkbrotating logs sanely19:25
clarkb^ pleia if you want something different to think about19:25
uvirtbotclarkb: Error: "pleia" is not a valid command.19:25
pleia2mordred: great, we'll have to talk about that soon19:25
mordredpleia2: yes. it'll be fun19:26
pleia2clarkb: sure19:26
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pleia2that's about it19:26
jeblair#topic releasing git-review19:27
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jeblairfungi: did that happen yet?19:27
mordredwe're still derping on that one change19:28
fungijeblair: no, though i think we can merge 21609 and 20452 now if we get a little more reviewing on them19:28
fungiand then release19:28
mordredyah. they work - there is angst over how they work19:28
fungithere's also mordred's flake8 addition which currently sits atop them19:28
fungiwhich has enough reviews19:28
mordredbut I'm voting that we merge as is and take refactoring for later19:28
fungiand there's one more mostly cosmetic change to alter the default topic creation if anyone wants to take a look19:29
jeblair#topic open discussion19:29
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mordredah - I like that one19:29
fungiso given all that, i'd like to push for tagging no later than thursday, whatever's made it in by then19:30
mordredfungi: ++19:30
fungiand if stuff needs more edits/reviews, then it can wait for the following release19:30
mordredpeople keep asking me for stats on how busy CI is19:30
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anteayatoday was my first day of work19:30
jeblairanteaya: congrats!19:30
anteayaso I still have a few loose ends to tie up19:30
anteayajeblair: thanks19:31
mordredwe have the great zuul status graphs, but those are for a different purpose19:31
mordredanteaya: congrats!19:31
anteayaso I will keep working on those until they are done19:31
anteayamordred: thanks19:31
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jeblairmordred: there's more data in graphite than we currently graph too19:31
anteayamight have to be in my spare time though, I will see how it goes19:31
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mordredjeblair: yeah. I figured there was ... it's just amazing how much people want numbers of stuff19:31
clarkbmordred: what does "How busy CI is" mean? how busy are we the people? how busy is jenkins? how granular numbers are we talking? :P19:32
mordredclarkb: :)19:32
mordredclarkb: how much activity our work enables19:32
clarkbI see19:32
mordredand how hard of a problem space are we solving19:32
dprincemordred: tell the bean counters to go away dude.19:33
mordredso things like "patches uploaded per day, tests run per day, slaves launched per day" etc19:33
fungi"lots" and "very"19:33
mordreddprince: good luck with that19:33
dprincemordred: or, better yet just give everyone a week off19:33
mordreddprince: and actually, I want to give them good numbers, because it incites them to spend more money when they're proud19:33
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dprincemordred: then tell them to go away.19:33
clarkbdprince: hahahaha19:33
mordreddprince: :)19:33
clarkbmordred: I think most of those numbers are in statsd19:34
mordredI believe you are right19:34
fungidprince: i haven't looked lately... are the rhel6 slaves doing any better with unit tests now?19:34
clarkbbut it may take some effort to pull them out19:34
mordredk. well, I may try to bug folks if I run in to problems19:35
anteayaI did one blog post on my person stats patches submitted and reviewed and such, folks in china went nuts for it19:35
dprincefungi: yep. almost done. One quantum unit test issue left I think. I'm going to try and get garyk to look into that one.19:35
pleia2anteaya: hah, cool19:35
anteayait was funny19:35
zarojeblair: so i'm a little confused about the gearman library stuff.  are we going to work on libgearman or something else using cffi?19:35
fungidprince: awesome. maybe right after the release we can set it voting19:35
dprincefungi: yep. that would be great.19:35
jeblairzaro: i'm going to write a new python lib that wraps libgearman using cffi19:36
zarojeblair: so wrapper on top of a wrapper?19:36
jeblairzaro: libgearman is not a wrapper, it's a client library19:36
zaroohh. i thought it was the python swig wraper of c lib.19:37
jeblairzaro: that's the current python-libgearman19:37
zarook. makes sense now.19:37
jeblairzaro: it isn't complete, so this will be the new python-libgearman, and will ideally be more complete, and simpler, and not swig.19:37
clarkbnot swig ++19:38
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jeblairshould we wrap this up?19:39
pleia2oh, hoping to do another bug review next week19:39
clarkbmordred: might also try asking hashar and others how many jobs they run with zuul and JJB19:39
pleia2after release, so we'll probably want to retarget bugs too19:39
clarkbmordred: transitive CI :)19:39
clarkbpleia2: ++19:40
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jeblairthanks all!19:41
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ttxWho is around for the quick TC meeting ?20:00
ttxdolphm, annegentle, mikal, mordred, markwash, jgriffith, vishy, sdake: around ?20:00
ttx#startmeeting tc20:01
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mikalGood morning20:01
ttxShould be extremely short.20:01
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ttxOls members, meet new mebers, and vice-versa20:01
ttx#topic TC dinner during the Summit20:01
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ttx6 months ago in San Diego we had a TC dinner to get to know each other a little better20:02
gabrielhurleyit was tasty20:02
ttxWould be great if we could have one with "most of us" again20:02
ttxand jay paid.20:02
ttxOne issue is we don't have jay anymore20:02
ttxthough we could do some emeritus membership20:02
annegentleand Monty paid?20:02
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annegentleI think20:03
ttxannegentle: interesting20:03
ttxIf everyone stays on the Thursday evening, it's probably the easiest to avoid conflict (there is no late-evening party on Thursday)20:03
ttxSecond best is probably to go with Wednesday evening, since there is "only" one party (Rackspace) going on that evening.20:03
gabrielhurleyI'll be flying out that evening, so it'd have to be an early dinner20:03
mikalttx: I can't stay that late. I fly out about 5pm Thursday IIRC.20:03
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annegentleI can't stay Thurs night20:03
ttxok, I guess that answers my question20:04
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vishyyup sounds like wednesday20:04
mordredttx: yeah man. I piaid20:04
ttxWe can target early Wednesday night, and then crash the RAX party20:04
mikalWhat time is the RAX party?20:04
mordredwhy does jaypipes always get credit for stuff I do...20:04
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ttxmordred: awesome.20:04
ttxJay probably paid ANOTHER dinner20:05
* mordred is always willing to buy food or drinks, btw20:05
ttxMy memories of Summit weeks is, for some reason, always fuzzy20:05
annegentleRackspace party is at 6:30 Wed.20:05
mordredwow. what happened. there's only one party that night?20:05
ttxmordred: Morphlabs cancelled their party20:06
mikalThe TC should run a party20:06
ttxSo everyone +1 for wednesday night ?20:06
* mordred should run a party20:06
mikalWorks for me20:06
ttxwe'll do it early so that we can join the RAX party20:06
ttx#agreed TC dinner on Wednesday early evening, place tbd20:07
mordredzomg. if there is only one party - I really should throw a sekrit party and hand out rave-style flyers...20:07
ttx#topic Open discussion20:07
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mordredI wonder if I could expense that...20:07
mordredso - on a real topic:20:07
mordredthis morning in #-infra, we were chatting about the idea of the term "programs" to refer to some of our legit things that arent' really projects and don't fit in20:08
mordredlike docs, qa, infra/ci, security, etc20:08
mordredthis is very nascent and needs beer and talking20:08
mordredbut just wanted to lodge the thought in people's brainholes20:08
annegentleso lodged20:08
ttxAny other thought to lodge, anyone ?20:09
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ttxRelease meeting in 50min.20:09
mikalI don't really feel we needed to delay the GPL talk...20:09
mordredis there a ton we need to alk about?20:09
mikalIt seems like we had a concensus happening on list.20:09
dolphmis the unconference still going to be a single untracked / scheduled by whiteboard affair?20:09
ttxmikal: markmc who proposed the discussion isn't around20:10
ttxand asked to delay it to another meeting20:10
mordredhe's always pushing us around20:10
mikalttx: yeah, I'm fine with that. I just think unless someone jumps out and shouts "surprise!" its going to be a quite short discussion.20:10
ttxdolphm: yes20:10
ttxmikal: you're new around here I see20:10
mikalttx: the only nuance I have discovered is that it seems that if the interaction ith the GPL code is across a network boundary, it _might_ be ok.20:10
annegentlettx: what you're not disclosing the pre-whiteboard board?20:10
dolphmin the keystone meeting, there was a lot of interest in having a keystone-specific slightly organized unconference for smaller topics that aren't getting a full session20:11
ttxannegentle: the Monday pre-allocation is now full20:11
annegentlettx: got it20:11
ttxmikal: we pre-opened the Monday slots so that they would be pre-filled20:11
mordreddolphm: I call that the "bar" ... but I know what you mean20:11
ttx(last summit we had nothing going on in unoncfreence in the first day)20:12
notmynameI've got 10 sessions proposed that are overflow from my allocated 8. I'll be using as many unconference sessions as possible20:12
annegentlenotmyname: you had 18 proposed?20:12
mordredit's possible that we might not have enough summit time20:12
notmynamewell, 19, but 2 were duplicate s:-)20:12
mordredttx: tell lauren we need more rooms next time20:13
dolphmmordred: i think the best approach would simply be to pick a specific "bar" for the duration of the conference, but i'd like to have a way to advertise that20:13
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mordreddolphm: fair. how about twitter #openstacksummitbar ? :)20:13
annegentleanyone know what the dev lounge looks like this year?20:13
ttxmordred: we also got the complaint that more parallelism would be unbearable20:13
mordredttx: hrm20:13
mordredthat's a hard problem then20:13
ttxlike people already needed to be in two or three different sessions at the same time20:13
ttxwe added one more parallel room this time around20:14
ttxI think the trick is to discuss forward-looking development topic, there is only so much you'll work on in the next 6 months20:14
mordredI believe we can probably bikeshed that topic for a while20:14
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mordredttx: for me, there are two diferent types of stuff - there's the "zomg we need people from all projects in here" - no parallelism possible, or minimal20:15
mordredthen there's the "dude, whatabout that virt layer stuff" - which could have as much parallelism as we could get rooms20:15
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mordredand then there's the booze20:15
mordredwhich is good for MASSIVE parallelism20:15
ttxmordred: yeah, but otoh you also want people to be involved in many projects, so meh20:15
mordredttx: meh indeed20:15
mordredit'll be great - we'll solve world peace20:16
ttxfor this time I guess the best is for notmyname to exploit the hole in the unconference system :)20:16
ttxthe dev lounge should have dark corners for quick meetings anyway20:16
mordredhow dark?20:16
ttxmordred: not enough for you20:17
ttxanything else before I #endmeeting ?20:17
ttx(but yes, more rooms would give us more flexibility so +1)20:17
gabrielhurleycan we shorten the #openstacksummitbar hashtag to just #openbar?20:17
dolphmdev lounge is a bit too relaxed and quiet for the rowdy disagreements i'm looking forward to20:18
ttxdolphm: heh20:18
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ttxok then20:19
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ttxSee most of you in 40min20:20
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notmynamettx: so I guess that's the answer to my email? I need to just use the unconference sessions?20:24
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dolphmnotmyname: i think he's afk til the next meeting20:30
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ttxnotmyname: yeah, I think that's the simplest at this point20:38
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ttxmarkmc, bcwaldon/markwash, jgriffith, vishy/russellb, gabrielhurley: around ?21:01
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ttxenough to get started I guess21:02
ttx#startmeeting project21:02
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ttx#link http://wiki.openstack.org/Meetings/ProjectMeeting21:03
gabrielhurleyhere now21:03
ttx#topic General announcements21:03
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ttx#info Summit scheduling in progress21:03
ttxWould you like me to hide the "suggest session" button now, to avoid random new suggestions ?21:03
ttx(It would still be possible to add sessions using http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/create)21:03
ttxI kinda announced that sessions should be suggested before the end of march...21:04
notmynameya, but wasn't that a soft deadline to get a feel for scheduling?21:04
markmcttx, that's probably reasonable21:04
ttxI'm fine with leaving it atm if you need/want more input21:04
ttxbut we are all more than full already21:05
ttxand can add manually if needed21:05
notmynameseems that most (all?) tracks are now full, so there's not too much benefit for keeping it open21:05
markmcmaybe if there was still a hidden shortcut for exceptions PTL want21:05
notmynamemarkmc: +121:05
ttxmarkmc: see above21:05
ttxnot so hidden21:05
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ttx#action ttx to hide "suggest session" button to limit new submissions21:07
ttxannegentle: How is Grizzly doc coming along ?21:07
ttxapevec/markmc, jeblair/mordred, sdague/davidkranz: Anything from Stable/CI/QA teams ?21:07
markmc#info 2012.2.4 RC due this week: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-stable-maint/2013-March/000353.html21:07
markmcthere's more reviews outstanding for stable/folsom than I'd like at this point21:07
markmcso help with reviews is very welcome21:07
jeblairttx: nothing earthshattering on the ci front21:07
ttxjeblair: by design :)21:07
ttxok, moving on to projects21:08
ttxannegentle: feel free to jump in anytime21:08
ttx#topic Oslo status21:08
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annegentlettx: really same as last week21:08
annegentleI'll send a more detailed status update tomorrow to openstack-doc ML21:09
ttxmarkmc: Anything affecting the release that you would like to mention ?21:09
markmcno, all quiet21:09
markmcthere is a fix for Co-authored21:09
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markmcbut I think we agreed we wouldn't do a respin of nova for that21:10
markmcand do it in stable/grizzly21:10
ttxmarkmc: did it got merged to oslo-incubator master yet ?21:10
markmcyes, it did21:10
ttxok, so we can include it if we ever respin Nova21:10
markmcdon't think there's a bug tracking it21:10
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* markmc will file one21:11
ttxmarkmc: thx21:11
markmcit for grizzly/oslo21:11
markmcwill do summit scheduling early next week21:11
ttxmarkmc: ok21:11
* mordred facepalms over the co-authored fix21:11
ttxAnything else on the oslo topic ?21:11
ttxmordred: beware of the crowd of co-authors hunting you down for vengeance21:12
ttx#topic Keystone status21:12
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ttxheckj/dolphm: o/21:12
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ttxEarlier today we published grizzly-rc3...21:13
ttxThe idea now is that we shouldn't respin now except for a last-minute catastrophic regression/upgrade issue21:13
* heckj nods21:13
ttxAnd document anything else in the Known Bugs section in the Release notes.21:13
ttxheckj: anything of that sort spotted so far ?21:13
heckjnot as yet21:13
* heckj crosses fingers21:13
ttx#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/keystone/+bugs?field.tag=grizzly-rc-potential21:13
heckjwe're getting good validation feedback on the performance fixes now21:13
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ttxheckj: I don't think any of those bugs will be included in a respin, so I'll all move them to grizzly-backport-potential for post-release consideration21:14
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heckjsounds good21:14
ttxYour release notes look good (https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ReleaseNotes/Grizzly#OpenStack_Identity_.28Keystone.29)21:14
ttxHmm... Weren't PKI tokens actually introduced in Folsom rather than Grizzly ?21:14
heckjThey were there, but not default21:15
heckjwith grizzly, they're default21:15
ttxhmm ok, maybe that line in the release notes should be a bit more explicit21:15
heckjwill do21:15
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ttxthough I guess that can be one of the meanings of "replace"21:15
ttxHow is your summit scheduling looking so far ?21:16
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ttxwell, not yours, but meh :)21:16
heckjI don't know - that was taken away from me :-)21:16
ttxAck. Anything more about Keystone ?21:17
heckjlast I heard, coming along well - some concern over21:17
heckjover wanting lots of cross polination from different projects in the key topics for Keystone21:17
heckjlots of cross-project concerns that I expect to be discussed/etc at the summit21:17
heckjthat's it21:17
ttxthe design summit should last two weeks so that everyone can attend everything21:17
ttx#topic Swift status21:18
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ttxnotmyname: o/21:18
ttx1.8.0 RC2 was tagged Friday21:18
ttxnotmyname: Does it still look like a winner ?21:18
notmynameso far. I haven't heard of any showstoppers yet21:18
ttxWhen can we push the final versioning on it ?21:19
notmynamethe release is thursday?21:19
ttxyes, unless for some catastrophic reason we need to stretch the definition of "Thursday"21:20
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ttxI can push it when I do the release (which should happen early on Thursday)21:20
ttxor before if you prefer21:20
notmynameI'm not worried about that yet. ya, what I was about to suggest. shoot for thurs am, and we'll do it earlier if possible21:21
notmynameI want to get a final update from people doing QA first21:21
ttxnotmyname: ok, we'll confirm tomorrow afternoon for you / night for me21:21
ttxSwift section in the release notes is still empty: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ReleaseNotes/Grizzly#OpenStack_Object_Storage_.28Swift.2921:21
ttxPlanning to work on it ? Need some help ?21:21
notmynameyes. QA, then summit scheduling, then release notes :-)21:22
notmynameI'll be doing those this afternoon, I think21:22
ttxwell, summit scheduling can happen AFTER the release notes :)21:22
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ttxnotmyname: sounds good21:22
ttxAnything more on Swift ?21:22
notmynamelooks like we'll be having a bunch of write-in sessions at the summit for overflow :-)21:23
notmynamenot that anyone could have predicted it. we've had a much larger submission pool this time (of surprisingly good topics)21:23
ttxnotmyname: I'll try to secure early access to those whiteboards :)21:23
notmynameheh :-)21:23
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ttx#topic Glance status21:24
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notmynameswift meeting tomorrow,21:24
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markmcwashttx: hi hi21:24
notmyname fin21:24
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ttxmarkmcwash: o/21:24
ttxGlance RC2 was published Saturday21:24
ttxNothing stands out on grizzly-rc-potential list @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/glance/+bugs?field.tag=grizzly-rc-potential21:24
ttxMay I move all those to grizzly-backport-potential so that they get post-release attention ?21:25
ttxanything critical flying under the radar ?21:25
ttx(that you know about ?)21:25
markmcwashwell, its under my radar as well, if it is21:25
markmcwash(no) :-)21:26
ttxOK. Then you now need to work on the Release notes at https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ReleaseNotes/Grizzly#OpenStack_Image_Service_.28Glance.2921:26
ttxWhen do you think you can update that ? Need some help ?21:26
bcwaldonttx: I should probably put some effort into that21:26
markmcwashwe can collaborate sometime this week21:26
bcwaldonmarkwash and I can carve out some time this week to do it21:26
ttxbcwaldon: you certainly can.21:26
ttxideally that should happen between now and tomorrow EOD21:26
bcwaldongood point21:27
ttxsince some people like complete release notes by release time, for some reason21:27
markmcwashmakes sense21:27
ttxbcwaldon, markmcwash: let me know if that's an issue for you, I could throw a few cycles to help21:28
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ttxmarkmcwash: Making progress on the Design Summit schedule for Glance ?21:28
markmcwashI've been stealth reviewing, I think I am almost ready to pull the approve trigger on everything there presently21:29
markmcwash(and providing feedback with the proposers)21:29
ttxmarkmcwash: sounds good. Let me know if you want me to hold your hand during the scheduling part21:29
ttxAnything more on Glance ?21:30
markmcwashI added a meeting for glance to the meetings wiki21:30
markmcwash1st and 3rd thursdays of the month at 2000 UTC21:30
markmcwash(same time as Nova Orchestration, different channel)21:30
ttxmarkmcwash: recently ? Looks like the "subscribe to page" on the wiki is not really triggering email alerts21:30
markmcwashyes, just today21:30
ttx#action ttx to add glance meeting to the meetings gcal21:31
markmcwashI'll post an agenda as well soon21:31
ttxsounds good21:31
ttx#topic Quantum status21:31
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ttxdanwent/markmcclain: hi!21:31
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ttxWe have a RC3 window open that we need to close ASAP21:31
ttx#info https://launchpad.net/quantum/+milestone/grizzly-rc321:31
markmcclaineverything is now in21:32
ttxAnything else you'd like to pull in before I cut it ?21:32
ttxOK, then I'll do it just after the meeting21:32
markmcclainsounds good21:32
ttxthe more light it sees the better it will be21:32
ttxHow is design summit scheduling going so far ? I've seen you had quite a lot of sessions lined up too21:33
markmcclainyeah.. I've been reading through them21:33
markmcclainand we're going to merge several21:34
ttxSounds good. Anything else on Quantum ?21:34
ttx#topic Cinder status21:34
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ttxjgriffith: hi!21:34
ttxCinder RC3 was published last Wednesday21:34
jgriffithttx: hey hey21:34
ttxjgriffith: still looking good ?21:35
jgriffithyeah, for the most part21:35
jgriffithcouple minor things have come up but nothing serious21:35
ttxI'll move the bug @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/cinder/+bugs?field.tag=grizzly-rc-potential to grizzly-backport-potential.21:35
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ttxYour release notes @ https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ReleaseNotes/Grizzly#OpenStack_Block_Storage_.28Cinder.29 could be improved a bit...21:35
ttxNeed some help on that, or are you covering it ?21:35
jgriffithI'll cover it21:35
ttxCool. Any progress on the Design Summit scheduling ?21:36
jgriffithbut is there something specifically you see as lacking?21:36
jgriffithYeah, I've about got the summit scheduling wrapped up21:36
ttxjgriffith: I think it would be good to list new storage drivers, not just v1/v2 API features21:36
jgriffithI have a few sessions that I want to bring up with the core team at tomorrows meeting21:36
jgriffithttx: fair21:36
jgriffithttx: Yeah, now that I think about it there's a number of things I need to add21:37
jgriffithttx: thanks21:37
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ttxAnything more in Cinder ?21:37
ttx#topic Nova status21:37
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ttxvishy: around ?21:38
ttxNova RC2 was published Saturday21:39
ttxAnything worrying on your radar ?21:39
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vishywell there is one thing worrying21:39
vishywe have 31 untriaged bugs21:39
vishywe should probably look through and make sure there isn't anything pressing21:39
vishyi have 2 or 3 bugs that are somewhat annoying but i think they are ok going through backports21:40
ttxI tried to look them up as they were filed but I may have overlooked something21:40
ttxvishy: could you try to get Nova dudes to look into the list today to make sure we didn't overlook anything ?21:41
vishyyeah i will21:41
ttxIf you agree, I'll push all in the grizzly-rc-potential list to grizzly-backport-potential, since they don't really fit the "regression/upgrade/install" criteria for last-minute RC bugs21:41
ttxso that we have a clean slate just in case21:42
ttxYour release notes look reasonably good at this point.21:42
ttxWon't ask you about summit scheduling because I know that's Russell's playground now21:42
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vishymakes sense21:42
ttxvishy: anything else on your mind ?21:42
ttx#topic Horizon status21:42
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ttxgabrielhurley: hey21:43
ttxsdake, jd__: around ?21:44
ttxSo... Horizon RC2 was published Thursday21:45
ttxStill looking good ?21:45
gabrielhurleyyep, still lookin' good :-)21:45
ttxThat's how I like it21:45
gabrielhurleyme too21:45
ttxThe release notes at https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ReleaseNotes/Grizzly#OpenStack_Dashboard_.28Horizon.29 still need some urgent love21:45
gabrielhurleyI'll copy the release notes into the wiki today21:45
ttxsounds good21:46
gabrielhurleyit's a pain to reformat reST into wiki markup21:46
jd__ttx: p/21:46
ttxHow is your Design Summit scheduling going on so far ?21:46
gabrielhurleyGot the same number of sessions as slots, and I like all the proposals21:46
gabrielhurleyso, I think that's as well as can be hoped?21:47
ttxwell, let's say you're more lucky that others ;)21:47
gabrielhurleyvery much so21:47
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ttxgabrielhurley: Anything you wanted to add ?21:47
gabrielhurleynope. it's been a quiet week (thankfully)21:47
ttxok then :)21:48
ttx#topic Incubated-in-Grizzly/Integrated-in-Havana projects21:48
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ttxjd__: o/21:48
ttxIs ceilometer RC1 good to be promoted to final 2013.1 release ?21:48
jd__probably, we have a bug that poped today that we may want to fix for final, but it can also be fixed in a backport I think21:48
jd__didn't dig too far for now21:49
ttxok, you can ping me tomorrow morning in case you need a respin21:49
ttxjd__: May I remove bug 1146655 from the grizzly-rc-potential list ?21:49
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1146655 in ceilometer "no metaquery implementation in HBase backend" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/114665521:49
jd__I will, thanks21:49
ttxthat's not the one you mentioned, right21:49
ttxIf everything is alright, should I push the final based on RC1 on Thursday ?21:49
ttxor do you want it another day ?21:50
jd__Thursday's fine21:50
ttxsdake: around ?21:50
ttxjd__: any question about the release ?21:50
ttxsdake: heat RC2 still ready for release ?21:50
jd__ttx: nop21:50
ttxsdake: Want me to push it on Thursday ?21:51
sdakettx: please21:51
ttxok. Just wave a big red flag if for some reason I shouldn't21:51
sdakewill do21:51
ttxjd__, sdake: Progress on your Design Summit schedules ?21:51
ttxjd__: I see yours is mostly scheduled at this point21:52
jd__ttx: yep, I need to do a recheck but it should be good as it is otherwise21:52
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jd__we had to merged a lot of stuff21:52
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ttxjd__: yeah, tat's the recipe for success21:53
ttxanythign else to add before I close the meeting ?21:53
ttxwell then21:54
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ttxthanks everyone, should be a good release!21:54
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gabrielhurleyI'm actually double-booked on meetings today, so I can't run the Horizon project meeting this afternoon. Sorry for the late notice on that. If kspear, mrunge or jpich are willing to run the meeting y'all are encouraged to still have it! :-)22:01
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vkmcHey gabrielhurley!22:02
jpichLet's do this22:02
vkmcGo jpich :)22:02
jpich#startmeeting horizon22:02
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'horizon'22:02
gabrielhurleyI see it's in capable hands. thanks!22:02
jpichNo problems!22:03
jpichLet's go with the usual agenda and see what happens22:03
kspearHi all22:03
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jpich#topic General Horizon Status22:03
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* kspear has been away for a while, so has some catching up to do22:03
jpichFrom the previous meeting: Horizon RC2 was released on Thursday and still looks good, so it'll likely become the Grizzly release22:04
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jpichFor design summit: the same number of sessions than there are available was received, and since the proposals all look good they've all been accepted22:05
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jpich...I guess that removes a lot of the scheduling difficulties22:05
jpichHi kspear :) Feel free to jump in!22:06
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jpichThat's all I can think of, so moving on22:06
jpich#topic Blueprints and Bugs22:06
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davidlyleany idea which days the Horizon sessions are?22:06
jpichSomeone briefly showed me a Google doc spreadsheet but I forgot, I think it might be Tuesday afternoon22:07
lchengTuesday: http://openstacksummitapril2013.sched.org/22:08
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jpichCool, thanks lcheng22:08
jpichFrom 11am to 4:30pm it looks like22:09
jpichCool. Did anyone have any bug or blueprint matter they'd like to bring up?22:09
lchengI do. :)22:10
lchengI started working on https://bugs.launchpad.net/horizon/+bug/114732922:10
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1147329 in horizon "Templates are not django 1.5 compatible" [High,In progress]22:10
lchengDo we need to update the template to be backward compatible?22:11
lchengChanging: {% url myview %} to {% url "myview" %} does not work with django 1.422:11
jpichThat's a good question. If it's not possible I don't think we should do it :-) I don't think current Horizon is compatible with Django 1.3 so it looks like we only support one Django version at a time22:12
jpichI'd suggest adding a comment asking your question to the report22:13
kspearlcheng: so Django broke the template format between versions?22:13
kspeari would have thought that was unlikely22:14
lchengYes. The other alternative is to keep the format of existing url tag and add {% load url from future %}  in all files using url template.22:14
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lchengkspear: Yes, the old format of {% url myview %} would not work in django 1.5 without any changes.22:15
kspearlcheng: i see. just read that it has been deprecated since 1.322:16
cody-somerville'{% load url from future %}' can be added to make it work with 1.4.22:16
kspearguess we need to look at whether there's anything holding us back from requiring 1.522:17
kspeargiven that 1.4 is still supported security-wise until the release of 1.6 i'd lean towards continuing to support it22:18
jpichWe haven't been really shy about using new Django features when we upgrade versions though. We might want to be more explicit about what Django versions we want to support, like we do with supporting OpenStack n-122:19
jpichI wanted to mention https://bugs.launchpad.net/horizon/+bug/1163369 since it blocks the Horizon tests (docs failure), however since then there's a prettytables conflict that affects multiple projects, so that'd be the new thing to keep an eye on22:20
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1163369 in horizon "Docs not building with Sphinx 1.2" [High,In progress]22:20
kspearjpich: good point. we might want to look at a gate job if we decided to continue 1.4 support22:21
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jpichkspear: Maybe we should take the topic to the mailing list to discuss this then22:21
jpichThere are good bad sides to multiple versions support (shiny new features vs. making packagers' lives easier)22:23
jpichAny other bug/blueprint matter someone would like to bring up...?22:23
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amotokihello. i have a question about translation imports from horizon.22:23
kspearjpich: agreed. happy to take it to the list22:23
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amotokipo files in grizzly rc are already out-of-date now.22:24
jpichamotoki: You may ask, but I think Gabriel has been the person doing the process manually and would be the best person to answer22:24
jpichkspear: Cheers!22:24
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amotokijpich: thanks. i know it is done manually by gabriel. I send the mail.22:25
jpichamotoki: we can probably do a translation update as part of the first grizzly stable release, I'm not sure when that is22:25
amotokii know there are some progress done in Trasifex. it is worth importing them.22:26
jpichYeah it sounds definitely worth it22:26
lchengkspear, jpich: thanks22:26
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jpichI'm not sure if we would cut a RC3 for translations, although that sounds somewhat low risk high impact...22:27
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jpichI think it's more likely to go into a stable release but that sounds worthwhile still asking the PTL or ttx22:28
jpich#topic General Discussion22:29
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jpichAnything else?22:29
jpichGiving it another minute or two...22:31
jpichOk. Thank you everyone, have a nice day/afternoon/evening22:33
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kspearthanks jpich!22:34
lchengthanks, bye everyone22:34
amotokithanks. bye22:34
vkmcThanks :)22:35
davidlylethanks, bye22:35
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