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| johnthetubaguy | #startmeeting XenAPI | 15:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Wed May 8 15:00:53 2013 UTC. The chair is johnthetubaguy. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: XenAPI)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'xenapi' | 15:00 |
| johnthetubaguy | hello, everyone | 15:01 |
| johnthetubaguy | who is around for the meeting? | 15:01 |
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| * BobBall is | 15:01 | |
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| matelakat | hi | 15:01 |
| BobBall | Not sure if Mate can join us tod... hi Mate | 15:01 |
| johnthetubaguy | cool | 15:01 |
| matelakat | I will be here, just in case :-) | 15:02 |
| * johnthetubaguy will be back in 30 seconds | 15:02 | |
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| johnthetubaguy | anyone got things they want to add to the agenda in the wiki? | 15:02 |
| johnthetubaguy | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/XenAPI | 15:02 |
| toanster | i'm here | 15:02 |
| johnthetubaguy | also note the additional info about how we organise the group, will bring that up in the open disscussion | 15:02 |
| johnthetubaguy | toanster: hey! | 15:03 |
| matelakat | I think it's worth mentioning, that I created a blueprint to clean-up xenapi code in devstack. | 15:03 |
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| matelakat | I added you guys to that bp. | 15:03 |
| BobBall | Could wait until the blueprints section for that Mate ;) | 15:03 |
| matelakat | Sorry. | 15:03 |
| BobBall | But that's fine! | 15:03 |
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| BobBall | I guess the Agenda needs updating - it's still got some stuff from the last meeting hasn't it? | 15:04 |
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| johnthetubaguy | yup, my bad | 15:04 |
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| johnthetubaguy | well, lets get cracking | 15:04 |
| johnthetubaguy | #agenda blueprints | 15:05 |
| johnthetubaguy | #topic blueprints | 15:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "blueprints (Meeting topic: XenAPI)" | 15:05 | |
| johnthetubaguy | so, we had a good summit session | 15:05 |
| johnthetubaguy | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/HavanaXenAPIRoadmap | 15:05 |
| johnthetubaguy | I skipped stuff from the last meeting, it was too long again | 15:05 |
| BobBall | agreed | 15:06 |
| johnthetubaguy | There are lots of blueprints | 15:06 |
| johnthetubaguy | BobBall and matelakat recently signed up to quite a few | 15:06 |
| johnthetubaguy | are the any more that people don't see as target for havana, but really should be? | 15:06 |
| BobBall | I think the main issue for Havana is getting the quantum+OVS integration working | 15:07 |
| matelakat | let me see if the devstack one is targeted properly | 15:07 |
| BobBall | which isn't a blueprint(?) but is something that we're looking at too | 15:07 |
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| johnthetubaguy | should it be a blueprint? | 15:07 |
| matelakat | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/devstack/+spec/xenapi-devstack-cleanup | 15:07 |
| johnthetubaguy | I guess it is in quantum? | 15:08 |
| matelakat | Not just quantum. | 15:08 |
| BobBall | Probably not. The Quantum integration is more of a bug than a blueprint-needed? I thought blueprints were for things that needed tracking+discussion on implementation? | 15:08 |
| johnthetubaguy | well, it probably needs docs and stuff | 15:08 |
| BobBall | Sorry Mate - I guess we're talking at cross purposes atm! | 15:09 |
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| johnthetubaguy | and it is a feature to be mentioned when the release goes out | 15:09 |
| johnthetubaguy | oh, not a nova blueprint | 15:09 |
| BobBall | *nod* | 15:09 |
| matelakat | Could you guys fire up a browser, and see if that bp is targeted or not? | 15:09 |
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| BobBall | it is not targeted | 15:09 |
| johnthetubaguy | its not | 15:09 |
| matelakat | I can't see Havana anywhere | 15:09 |
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| matelakat | Which field needs to be set? | 15:09 |
| johnthetubaguy | not sure devstack use blueprints like you would hope | 15:09 |
| johnthetubaguy | series goal should be havana, but its quite project specific | 15:09 |
| johnthetubaguy | I wouldn't worry for now | 15:10 |
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| johnthetubaguy | Ok… so back to quantum support | 15:10 |
| johnthetubaguy | how it that looking? | 15:10 |
| matelakat | Yes, I am looking at it. | 15:10 |
| johnthetubaguy | any update worth sharing? | 15:10 |
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| BobBall | Probably just that the instructions don't seem to work :) | 15:11 |
| johnthetubaguy | OK, I guess stuff changed, or its broken | 15:11 |
| matelakat | A rebase will be needed. | 15:11 |
| BobBall | Probably some setup that Maru had that doesn't match our setup | 15:11 |
| matelakat | I am on it, expecting to have something this week. | 15:11 |
| johnthetubaguy | OK | 15:11 |
| BobBall | Mate hasn't got to the bottom of it yet though | 15:11 |
| johnthetubaguy | no worries | 15:12 |
| matelakat | It's again the exotic network setup. | 15:12 |
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| johnthetubaguy | so, I wanted to raise the blueprints we are tracking for Havana | 15:12 |
| matelakat | However, I am just getting rid of that. | 15:12 |
| johnthetubaguy | OK | 15:12 |
| BobBall | He's not allowed to eat until he's figured it out though, so I'm sure we'll get the answer soon. | 15:12 |
| matelakat | I am starving. | 15:12 |
| johnthetubaguy | lol | 15:12 |
| johnthetubaguy | your new wife is very harsh... | 15:13 |
| johnthetubaguy | anyway... | 15:13 |
| johnthetubaguy | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/xenapi-move-driver-to-oslo | 15:13 |
| BobBall | ok - drive away John. I guess we should look at https://blueprints.launchpad.net/devstack/+spec/xenapi-devstack-cleanup to make sure we all agree with the plan too - even though it's not a nova blueprint :) | 15:13 |
| johnthetubaguy | mate has taken this one | 15:13 |
| johnthetubaguy | OK, lets have a quick look at devstack | 15:13 |
| johnthetubaguy | we didn't cover that in the summit | 15:13 |
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| matelakat | I can do that, the issue is the review speed | 15:13 |
| matelakat | That kills me. | 15:14 |
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| johnthetubaguy | yup, I hear you | 15:14 |
| BobBall | yeah... takes ages to get people to review and there are far too many minor -1's! | 15:14 |
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| BobBall | too many cooks, coding by compromise and all of that ;) | 15:14 |
| johnthetubaguy | well, I am for clean code, but yes, I hear you | 15:15 |
| johnthetubaguy | the problem is that code is such a mess its hard to concentrate | 15:15 |
| johnthetubaguy | but anyway | 15:15 |
| johnthetubaguy | the approach | 15:15 |
| johnthetubaguy | not sure I understand where the blueprint is talking | 15:15 |
| johnthetubaguy | separate stuff out? | 15:15 |
| matelakat | The expected output is a usable devstack | 15:16 |
| BobBall | indeed - so Mate want's to simplify the XenAPI devstack process - but it'll probably contain some ugly bits of code too, even though it'll be an improvement on what's there at the moment. | 15:16 |
| johnthetubaguy | OK, but whats the approach? | 15:16 |
| matelakat | Isn't it on the bp? | 15:16 |
| johnthetubaguy | I see you list the steps | 15:16 |
| matelakat | Do we need to discuss it? | 15:16 |
| BobBall | do you mean the steps or the work items? | 15:17 |
| johnthetubaguy | just want to make sure expectations are good | 15:17 |
| matelakat | It's like you touch here, and you see soo many things, that you just can't resist cleaning it up. | 15:17 |
| johnthetubaguy | so you pulling it out into a separate file? | 15:17 |
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| johnthetubaguy | the hypervisor bit vs VM creation, etc | 15:17 |
| matelakat | Separate files/ functions, doesn't matter. | 15:18 |
| matelakat | Make those steps visible | 15:18 |
| johnthetubaguy | its just devstack was meant to be a very simple single script people can read as an example way to set things up | 15:18 |
| matelakat | Make the code readable. | 15:18 |
| johnthetubaguy | any clearly things have moved a bit since then | 15:18 |
| johnthetubaguy | OK, that all good, just its was designed as lightweight scripts, not super DRY code | 15:18 |
| johnthetubaguy | I agree there is lots to do | 15:19 |
| johnthetubaguy | was just wondering what you planned to focus on | 15:19 |
| johnthetubaguy | you mention the variables and the settings | 15:19 |
| johnthetubaguy | it would be good to shake those into something more sensible | 15:19 |
| matelakat | I think as you suggested: more visible data flow | 15:20 |
| johnthetubaguy | OK | 15:20 |
| matelakat | I don't want to over-architect the stuff. | 15:20 |
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| johnthetubaguy | maybe we should just see code, I will review the change you posted | 15:20 |
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| johnthetubaguy | lets move on | 15:20 |
| matelakat | So at the moment kicking the tyres, and doing the tidy-up. | 15:20 |
| matelakat | ok, thanks. | 15:20 |
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| johnthetubaguy | we mentioned oslo split out | 15:21 |
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| johnthetubaguy | mate was taking that H-2 timeframe | 15:21 |
| johnthetubaguy | we discussed that at the summit | 15:21 |
| johnthetubaguy | all seems | 15:21 |
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| johnthetubaguy | good | 15:21 |
| johnthetubaguy | moving on... | 15:21 |
| johnthetubaguy | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/xenapi-compute-driver-events | 15:21 |
| johnthetubaguy | using events to help update db and parent cell quicker | 15:21 |
| johnthetubaguy | bobball took that one, for H-2 | 15:22 |
| johnthetubaguy | again, that all seems good? | 15:22 |
| BobBall | I did - but my understanding is it's a nice-to-have | 15:22 |
| BobBall | Priorities might push it to H-3 | 15:22 |
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| johnthetubaguy | Indeed, I think so | 15:22 |
| johnthetubaguy | maybe move it to H-3 | 15:23 |
| johnthetubaguy | OK, next... | 15:23 |
| BobBall | I'd like to leave it at H-2 for now though | 15:23 |
| johnthetubaguy | OK | 15:23 |
| johnthetubaguy | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/xenapi-guest-agent-cloud-init-interop | 15:23 |
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| johnthetubaguy | Rick harris and I are trying to get cloud-init and config drive working better with XenAPI | 15:23 |
| johnthetubaguy | basically making the agent more optional | 15:23 |
| johnthetubaguy | like per VM or per image optional | 15:24 |
| BobBall | Brilliant - did you see the email thread on -dev about config drive? | 15:24 |
| johnthetubaguy | probably not yet… if it was recent | 15:24 |
| BobBall | subject "making file injection optional / removing it" | 15:24 |
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| BobBall | Started talking about baremetal - but now moved onto config drive and fun things like that | 15:24 |
| matelakat | Yeah, that could be related. | 15:24 |
| johnthetubaguy | oh, OK, its related | 15:25 |
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| BobBall | just thought you'd probably want to reply, given what you're doing, so bringing it to your attention :) | 15:25 |
| johnthetubaguy | cool, thanks, not read through that all yet today | 15:25 |
| johnthetubaguy | bug day fun | 15:25 |
| matelakat | file inject/agent/configdrive trinity | 15:25 |
| johnthetubaguy | indeed, its a fun thing | 15:25 |
| johnthetubaguy | my view is cloud-init and cloudbase-init | 15:25 |
| johnthetubaguy | then make an extra agent for password without reboot if really needed | 15:26 |
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| johnthetubaguy | maybe extend cloud-init to do licence stuff | 15:26 |
| johnthetubaguy | etc etc | 15:26 |
| johnthetubaguy | anyways, we are on the case | 15:26 |
| johnthetubaguy | :-) | 15:26 |
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| johnthetubaguy | … so stuff that is on the maybe list | 15:27 |
| johnthetubaguy | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/xenapi-server-log | 15:27 |
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| johnthetubaguy | we need to decide if we want the server log in XenAPI | 15:27 |
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| johnthetubaguy | I am tempted to kill it, or at least make the client discover if it is available | 15:27 |
| BobBall | client discover? | 15:28 |
| johnthetubaguy | but it looks like there is a xenstore key + logrotate that could make it all work | 15:28 |
| johnthetubaguy | nova-client can find out if the feature is enabled in the cloud | 15:28 |
| johnthetubaguy | part of the nova v3 API work | 15:28 |
| johnthetubaguy | well it could be, anyway | 15:28 |
| BobBall | Oh right - because we just return a dummy console log atm | 15:28 |
| johnthetubaguy | yup | 15:28 |
| johnthetubaguy | it could be an extention that is enabled or not | 15:29 |
| johnthetubaguy | anyways | 15:29 |
| johnthetubaguy | I don't like the idea of filling up dom0 disk if a guest gets very chatty | 15:29 |
| johnthetubaguy | and there are some funky ways around that | 15:29 |
| BobBall | Do you know how that works in the KVM world? | 15:29 |
| BobBall | ... or A.N.Other hypervisor's world that supports console log :) | 15:29 |
| johnthetubaguy | libvirt manages most of it, but I need to look closer | 15:30 |
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| johnthetubaguy | libvirt may have code for xen anyways | 15:30 |
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| BobBall | ah - so perhaps libvirt treats it as a ring and only returns those lines directly. | 15:30 |
| johnthetubaguy | I have put it on my pile, but not targeted it for H | 15:30 |
| johnthetubaguy | so if others want it, ping me! | 15:30 |
| johnthetubaguy | lets move on... | 15:30 |
| johnthetubaguy | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/xenapi-vif-hotplug | 15:31 |
| johnthetubaguy | #action we need a volunteer for xenapi-vif-hotplug | 15:31 |
| johnthetubaguy | if we want it done in H | 15:31 |
| johnthetubaguy | its a gap we have vs libvirt | 15:31 |
| johnthetubaguy | its seems more important / useful than some of the other gaps | 15:31 |
| BobBall | shoudl use #help for this one :) *been reading the meetbot commands* | 15:31 |
| BobBall | #help need a volunteer for xenapi-vif-hotplug | 15:32 |
| johnthetubaguy | oh cool, I forgot about that one | 15:32 |
| johnthetubaguy | no one fancies it here I guess? | 15:32 |
| matelakat | It's not that I don't like it. | 15:33 |
| matelakat | It's the tome. | 15:33 |
| matelakat | time | 15:33 |
| johnthetubaguy | well according to the current plans, there will be loads of us free in H-3 | 15:33 |
| johnthetubaguy | lol | 15:33 |
| johnthetubaguy | OK, lets move on from blueprint | 15:33 |
| BobBall | indeed | 15:33 |
| johnthetubaguy | unless people have something else? | 15:33 |
| BobBall | we should have time by H-3 but it's impossible to commit atm | 15:33 |
| johnthetubaguy | so, going forward I would love to see progress reports in this meeting | 15:34 |
| johnthetubaguy | but code is good too... | 15:34 |
| johnthetubaguy | #topic docs | 15:34 |
| BobBall | *continues to read meetbot logs* | 15:34 |
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| BobBall | #chair BobBall | 15:34 |
| johnthetubaguy | mean | 15:34 |
| BobBall | no - you're permanent chair | 15:34 |
| johnthetubaguy | I guess I could probably transfer | 15:34 |
| BobBall | I was testing if we could then use this when someone's nick goes | 15:34 |
| BobBall | no | 15:34 |
| BobBall | I don't want it :) | 15:34 |
| BobBall | #chair matelakat | 15:35 |
| johnthetubaguy | hehe | 15:35 |
| johnthetubaguy | so, docs | 15:35 |
| BobBall | doesn't seem to work anyway | 15:35 |
| matelakat | wow | 15:35 |
| BobBall | maybe you have to do it john | 15:35 |
| BobBall | yes - docs | 15:35 |
| johnthetubaguy | any updates? | 15:35 |
| johnthetubaguy | I suspect it has to be me | 15:35 |
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| matelakat | No updates on docs side | 15:35 |
| johnthetubaguy | me neigther | 15:35 |
| BobBall | the docs don't say so http://meetbot.debian.net/Manual.html - so maybe we need an action to update the meetbot docs! | 15:35 |
| johnthetubaguy | #topic Bugs and QA | 15:35 |
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| johnthetubaguy | so its bug day | 15:35 |
| johnthetubaguy | but smokestack | 15:36 |
| johnthetubaguy | any news on how that is going? | 15:36 |
| BobBall | I haven't poked Dan or Ant on it | 15:36 |
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| BobBall | I've got a timed action to poke Dan by the end of this week for his backup task | 15:36 |
| johnthetubaguy | #action BobBall to poke Dan and Ant | 15:36 |
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| johnthetubaguy | cool | 15:36 |
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| johnthetubaguy | I guess it is post quantum work? | 15:36 |
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| BobBall | We're blocked on Ant re-installing with 6.1 (which is blocked by Dan backing up the VM) - but yes, it's post-quantum, which is why I haven't been pushing uber hard | 15:37 |
| johnthetubaguy | gotcha | 15:37 |
| johnthetubaguy | its bug day | 15:37 |
| johnthetubaguy | I did some triage | 15:37 |
| johnthetubaguy | working on a few little fellas | 15:37 |
| BobBall | Happy Bug Day! | 15:37 |
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| matelakat | I was not doing bugs today. | 15:37 |
| johnthetubaguy | matelakat: what does your magic bug finder tell us? | 15:37 |
| matelakat | I must confess. | 15:38 |
| johnthetubaguy | can we have the URL again? | 15:38 |
| matelakat | you can, but it's outdated. | 15:38 |
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| BobBall | I also helped John with a couple of them, and worked on some potential bugs that haven't been reported yet - in XenAPI but reported by rackspace and trying to identify whether they are XenAPI or OpenStack "bugs" | 15:38 |
| matelakat | #link https://github.com/citrix-openstack/bugstat/blob/master/bugreport/main_report.md | 15:39 |
| matelakat | I will update it for the next time. | 15:39 |
| johnthetubaguy | +1 thanks for your help on those | 15:39 |
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| johnthetubaguy | cool, so I just used the tagged bugs | 15:40 |
| BobBall | #action matelakat to update https://github.com/citrix-openstack/bugstat/blob/master/bugreport/main_report.md :) | 15:40 |
| johnthetubaguy | tagged with xenserver | 15:40 |
| johnthetubaguy | I will take a look at the others sometime | 15:40 |
| johnthetubaguy | #action matelakat to document bug finder in XenAPI team wiki | 15:40 |
| johnthetubaguy | cool | 15:40 |
| johnthetubaguy | any more for any more? | 15:40 |
| * johnthetubaguy checking bug list... | 15:40 | |
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| matelakat | Thanks for the actions. | 15:41 |
| johnthetubaguy | OK, no more news for me | 15:41 |
| johnthetubaguy | hey, what are friends for :-P | 15:41 |
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| BobBall | You were looking bored Mate. | 15:41 |
| matelakat | And if you have such friends, you don't need enemies. | 15:41 |
| BobBall | :) | 15:42 |
| johnthetubaguy | you took the works out of my… keyboard | 15:42 |
| johnthetubaguy | so, moving on | 15:42 |
| johnthetubaguy | #topic AOB | 15:42 |
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| johnthetubaguy | any other bussiness... | 15:42 |
| johnthetubaguy | I think the silly english term | 15:42 |
| johnthetubaguy | like^ | 15:42 |
| johnthetubaguy | lol | 15:42 |
| johnthetubaguy | bad keyboard | 15:43 |
| johnthetubaguy | so, sub team, it turns out we are sub team | 15:43 |
| johnthetubaguy | no need to panic... | 15:43 |
| johnthetubaguy | nothing changes | 15:43 |
| johnthetubaguy | I tried to document what we do in the wiki | 15:43 |
| BobBall | except other people are now copying us :( haha | 15:43 |
| johnthetubaguy | hehe | 15:43 |
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| matelakat | Next meeting? | 15:44 |
| johnthetubaguy | you mean like people who sell non-opensource hypervisors | 15:44 |
| matelakat | bi weekly? | 15:44 |
| johnthetubaguy | well I would be keen on keeping it weekly for the rest of May | 15:44 |
| johnthetubaguy | and see if there is any content in the meeting | 15:44 |
| johnthetubaguy | then move to bi weekly? | 15:44 |
| BobBall | I didn't realise there were other non-opensource hypervisors ;) | 15:44 |
| johnthetubaguy | BobBall: you must have the Citrix goggles on | 15:45 |
| johnthetubaguy | we can try next week, and see how it goes? | 15:45 |
| BobBall | I have, indeed, dunk the kool-aid. | 15:45 |
| johnthetubaguy | I am keen there is somewhere for users to drop in an annoy the dev team | 15:46 |
| BobBall | I think next week we'll talk through the bugs and probably have a decent amount to talk about on Quantum? | 15:46 |
| BobBall | so next week should be fine. | 15:46 |
| johnthetubaguy | that seems fair | 15:46 |
| matelakat | OK | 15:46 |
| johnthetubaguy | well, I good doing it week by week | 15:46 |
| BobBall | okiedokie | 15:46 |
| johnthetubaguy | I am good with us voting at the beginning of the meeting to not have the meeting | 15:46 |
| johnthetubaguy | it only takes 2 mins | 15:47 |
| BobBall | Damn. Wish I knew that at the start of this meeting. | 15:47 |
| johnthetubaguy | should not be too disruptive | 15:47 |
| matelakat | Please, don't. | 15:47 |
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| johnthetubaguy | don't what? | 15:47 |
| matelakat | the voting. | 15:47 |
| johnthetubaguy | why? | 15:47 |
| matelakat | I mean, OK, if you want it, OK. | 15:47 |
| matelakat | I was just joking. | 15:47 |
| johnthetubaguy | simple check to see if the agent is empty, and one has anything | 15:47 |
| johnthetubaguy | lol | 15:48 |
| johnthetubaguy | are we all good? | 15:48 |
| matelakat | y | 15:48 |
| BobBall | I'm better than good | 15:48 |
| rnirmal | I have a question... > 2TB disk.. is it just a limitation with xenserver or kvm and others as well ? | 15:48 |
| johnthetubaguy | VHD limitation I think | 15:48 |
| BobBall | the >2TB disk is a VHD limitation | 15:48 |
| BobBall | indeed | 15:48 |
| johnthetubaguy | other may have it too | 15:48 |
| matelakat | isn't it the partition table? | 15:48 |
| BobBall | do you know the qcow2 limitation? | 15:48 |
| johnthetubaguy | nope | 15:48 |
| BobBall | partition table can be fixed using gpt | 15:48 |
| * johnthetubaguy googles... | 15:48 | |
| rnirmal | ok cool thanks guys | 15:49 |
| BobBall | looks like qcow2 uses a 64-bit integer for the size | 15:49 |
| rnirmal | has anyone thought about creating > 2TB disk on vms.. ephemeral or otherwise | 15:49 |
| BobBall | yes rnirmal - but the only way to do that if you're using VHD-backed storage is to use raid in-guest | 15:49 |
| johnthetubaguy | not seen anyone try | 15:50 |
| johnthetubaguy | what about raw LVM? | 15:50 |
| rnirmal | hmm | 15:50 |
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| johnthetubaguy | you could use that for ephemeral I guess, or PCI passthrough | 15:50 |
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| rnirmal | but that will have to be done outside of nova provisioning right ? | 15:50 |
| johnthetubaguy | but obviously you need to do things like scrub disks when passing between tenants | 15:50 |
| BobBall | indeed | 15:50 |
| johnthetubaguy | well one could change nova to cope with it | 15:50 |
| johnthetubaguy | ephemeral are just empty, so that bit is easy ish | 15:51 |
| rnirmal | so we are using ephemeral disk.. and want to create more than 2 TB | 15:51 |
| johnthetubaguy | you could do raw files (loop back) inside the EXT SR | 15:51 |
| johnthetubaguy | and create them inside nova | 15:51 |
| johnthetubaguy | but it is a code change | 15:52 |
| rnirmal | how would I do that.. ah ok | 15:52 |
| * johnthetubaguy looking for git hub link... | 15:52 | |
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| johnthetubaguy | https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/nova/virt/xenapi/vm_utils.py#L867 | 15:52 |
| rnirmal | for my usecase.. even if I can get multiple disks attached amounting to the total size is acceptable as well | 15:52 |
| johnthetubaguy | I think you can use dd to create a raw file of the correct size (could take some time) | 15:53 |
| johnthetubaguy | then call it .raw, or something like that | 15:53 |
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| johnthetubaguy | then it gets picked up by xapi, I think | 15:53 |
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| johnthetubaguy | but not 100% sure, never tried it | 15:53 |
| rnirmal | johnthetubaguy: hmm ok let me explore that option. | 15:53 |
| BobBall | I know that it's possible to have multiple disks attached to get to the total size. "Support limits" say you can only attached 7 disks (should be 15) - but actually you can attach more as long as you've got PV drivers installed and specify the device number | 15:54 |
| johnthetubaguy | well, you can do a big raw file though? | 15:54 |
| johnthetubaguy | not VHD limit on that | 15:54 |
| johnthetubaguy | no^ | 15:54 |
| BobBall | Sorry, yes. Probably. | 15:54 |
| BobBall | although how does that get mounted? | 15:54 |
| rnirmal | would the performance be the same | 15:54 |
| rnirmal | or more or less same | 15:54 |
| johnthetubaguy | no idea, I have to admit, it could be better | 15:55 |
| johnthetubaguy | you would have to try it | 15:55 |
| BobBall | FileSR is VHD backed | 15:55 |
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| johnthetubaguy | it is, but I was told of an easter egg in those file types that detect .raw files, or something like that | 15:55 |
| BobBall | raw (if we have the SR for it) would be faster than VHD because it would have to skip some of the overhead. | 15:55 |
| BobBall | ahhh okay | 15:55 |
| johnthetubaguy | yep, who knows what else might break | 15:56 |
| johnthetubaguy | but it should just about meet the ephemeral use case | 15:56 |
| johnthetubaguy | cause it is created blank | 15:56 |
| BobBall | johnthetubaguy, you're right - FileSR does identify a "raw" file extension | 15:56 |
| johnthetubaguy | I thought I read that in there | 15:56 |
| johnthetubaguy | its "special" | 15:56 |
| johnthetubaguy | so create the file, copy in, sr scan | 15:56 |
| johnthetubaguy | and booom | 15:56 |
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| BobBall | Agreed. | 15:57 |
| johnthetubaguy | booom being possible success and possible hose your whole system | 15:57 |
| rnirmal | ok cool.. thanks everyone this has been helpful.. I'll try some of the mentioned options and get back | 15:57 |
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| johnthetubaguy | cool, catch us on IRC | 15:57 |
| johnthetubaguy | openstack-nova | 15:57 |
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| johnthetubaguy | so, sounds like everything? | 15:58 |
| BobBall | or next week during the normal xenapi surgery hours! | 15:58 |
| johnthetubaguy | lol | 15:58 |
| johnthetubaguy | yes | 15:58 |
| BobBall | actually rnirmal, some of us are more likely to be around on #xen-api and there are other funky people there who can help too | 15:58 |
| johnthetubaguy | good point | 15:58 |
| rnirmal | BobBall: thanks I'll hop in there as well | 15:58 |
| johnthetubaguy | that is probably better for that kind of hacking | 15:58 |
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| johnthetubaguy | #action johnthetubaguy to mention #xen-api on the team wiki | 15:59 |
| johnthetubaguy | #endmeeting | 15:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed May 8 15:59:31 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/xenapi/2013/xenapi.2013-05-08-15.00.html | 15:59 |
| johnthetubaguy | thanks all | 15:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/xenapi/2013/xenapi.2013-05-08-15.00.txt | 15:59 |
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| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/xenapi/2013/xenapi.2013-05-08-15.00.log.html | 15:59 |
| BobBall | Wicked. Thanks guys. | 15:59 |
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| rushiagr | time for cinder guys to storm the channel!! attaaacckkk :P | 16:01 |
| jgriffith | Freeeedoooooooooooooooom! | 16:01 |
| jgriffith | #startmeeting cinder | 16:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed May 8 16:01:38 2013 UTC. The chair is jgriffith. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: cinder)" | 16:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'cinder' | 16:01 |
| jgriffith | Hey everyone | 16:01 |
| eharney | hello | 16:01 |
| * BobBall runs and hides | 16:01 | |
| vincent_hou | hi | 16:01 |
| xyang_ | hi | 16:01 |
| rushiagr | o/ | 16:01 |
| * jungleboyj sounds the trumpet | 16:01 | |
| jungleboyj | Howdy | 16:02 |
| varma | hi | 16:02 |
| flaper87 | o/ | 16:02 |
| jgriffith | Ok so here's the agenda | 16:02 |
| jgriffith | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/CinderMeetings | 16:02 |
| jgriffith | This should make for an interesting meeting :) | 16:02 |
| jgriffith | Looks like thingee may be delayed | 16:02 |
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| jgriffith | No winston-d either | 16:02 |
| bswartz | hi | 16:02 |
| jgriffith | bswartz: howdy | 16:02 |
| jgriffith | Perhaps we'll go out of order a bit here | 16:03 |
| jgriffith | #topic core team expectations | 16:03 |
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| jgriffith | I just wanted to touch on some things real quick | 16:03 |
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| jgriffith | I get a lot of emails from folks asking to be core, or asking for somebody they represent to be core | 16:04 |
| jgriffith | First, anybody on the team can nominate somebody for Core | 16:04 |
| jgriffith | You can even nominate yourself | 16:04 |
| jgriffith | The process is typically via the ML | 16:04 |
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| jgriffith | That being said.... I wanted to point out what the responsibilities are: | 16:04 |
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| jgriffith | of course I lost the link :) | 16:05 |
| rushiagr | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Governance/Approved/CoreDevProcess | 16:06 |
| rushiagr | jgriffith: ^ | 16:06 |
| jgriffith | haha | 16:07 |
| jgriffith | rushiagr: thnks | 16:07 |
| jgriffith | sorry, I had to step out for a second | 16:07 |
| jgriffith | So there's the outline on things | 16:07 |
| jgriffith | But I also want to point out that there's a lot of work expected to go along with it once you're nominated | 16:07 |
| jgriffith | Reviews is the biggest thing | 16:07 |
| jgriffith | and the way I see it if you're not reviewing on a regular basis to begin with then you probably don't want to be core | 16:08 |
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| jgriffith | My expectations here would be that you'd be very active in the review process at least a couple of days a week minimum | 16:08 |
| jgriffith | Also... for those that are core | 16:08 |
| jgriffith | Keep in mind that you're allowed to do +2 and Approve | 16:09 |
| jgriffith | There are a number of patches I see from time to time with 10 +1's on them | 16:09 |
| jgriffith | some of which are from core team members | 16:09 |
| jgriffith | I'd like to keep the backlog of reviews down as much as possible | 16:09 |
| jgriffith | Also... wondering if anybody is interested in assigned core member days? | 16:09 |
| jgriffith | That's something they used to do in Nova, might be useful for us? | 16:10 |
| jgriffith | thoughts? | 16:10 |
| jgriffith | Or is this horribly booring for everyone? | 16:10 |
| eharney | what is an "assigned core member day"? | 16:10 |
| vincent_hou | ? | 16:10 |
| rushiagr | ya, what are guys expected to do exactly on such days? | 16:10 |
| thingee | guaranteed available? | 16:10 |
| jgriffith | eharney: so the idea would be a published page that states what core members are available on what days | 16:11 |
| jgriffith | thingee: ok, guaranteed is a bit extreme :) | 16:11 |
| eharney | ah, ok | 16:11 |
| jgriffith | but the idea being they're on the hoook for +2/A reviews on that day | 16:11 |
| jungleboyj | jgriffith: Not boring for those aspiring to be more involved. :-) | 16:11 |
| jgriffith | and also hopefully around IRC for questions if they come up | 16:11 |
| rushiagr | jungleboyj: +1 ;) | 16:11 |
| vincent_hou | ok | 16:11 |
| thingee | jgriffith: is there a problem now that warrants this? | 16:12 |
| jgriffith | thingee: not necessarily no | 16:12 |
| DuncanT | Some of us are around most days but can't give much if any warning for being away... | 16:12 |
| DuncanT | (By that I mean me) | 16:12 |
| jgriffith | thingee: DuncanT k... maybe that doesn't fly | 16:12 |
| jgriffith | it was just an idea | 16:12 |
| jgriffith | Ok, sounds like there's not much interest here so let's move along :) | 16:13 |
| jgriffith | #topic Defined core API features | 16:13 |
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| rushiagr | I thought people (core/noncore both) are around on IRC atleast all the days of week | 16:13 |
| jgriffith | rushiagr: yeah, IRC isn't a problem at all | 16:13 |
| jgriffith | :) | 16:14 |
| jgriffith | rushiagr: don't sweet it, doesn't seem it's worth taking up any more time on | 16:14 |
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| jgriffith | Back to the core API features | 16:14 |
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| rushiagr | jgriffith: sure | 16:14 |
| vincent_hou | the problem is the time zone difference. | 16:14 |
| jgriffith | vincent_hou: indeed for IRC but not reviews | 16:15 |
| jgriffith | anyway.. moving along | 16:15 |
| * thingee still on phone waiting for laptop to boot | 16:15 | |
| jgriffith | haha! | 16:15 |
| jgriffith | So I'll segway here | 16:15 |
| jgriffith | I don't think this topic is any sort of a surprise to anyone | 16:15 |
| jgriffith | we've talked about it on and off | 16:16 |
| thingee | muc better | 16:16 |
| jgriffith | and we have a wiki page outh there that took a crack at it | 16:16 |
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| jgriffith | haha! | 16:16 |
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| thingee | jgriffith: so I guess speak about what came of the TC meeting | 16:16 |
| jgriffith | thingee: right | 16:16 |
| jgriffith | So, one of the things that I brought up at the last TC meeting | 16:17 |
| jgriffith | was how to deal with the issue we're starting to see | 16:17 |
| jgriffith | with each vendor/backend wanting to implement some feature of the API their own way | 16:17 |
| jgriffith | I'll use Duncans trivial snapshot example becuase it's my favorite :) | 16:17 |
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| jgriffith | So HP has a back-end that they like to use snapshots for backups | 16:18 |
| jgriffith | They charge the end user a different rate and all is good | 16:18 |
| hemna | mep | 16:18 |
| jgriffith | The difference is they allow the parent to be deleted while the snap is still in existence | 16:18 |
| jgriffith | I believe RBD has a similar model | 16:18 |
| jgriffith | There were discussions around letting each backend do it "how they want" | 16:19 |
| hemna | afaik the 3PAR can't delete the parent volume of a snap | 16:19 |
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| jgriffith | To me this seemed very very bad | 16:19 |
| jgriffith | different behaviors based on what backend is in use and the user has no idea what to expect | 16:19 |
| jgriffith | or they have a road-map to read | 16:19 |
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| jgriffith | regardless... the TC for the most part agreed that the whole point of the openstack API's is software defined X | 16:19 |
| jgriffith | and that those delats should be extracted out | 16:20 |
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| jgriffith | enhanced features above and beyond can be exposed in different ways | 16:20 |
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| jgriffith | but there needs to be a common set of behaviors across the board | 16:20 |
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| jgriffith | for us, that should be the reference implementation (LVM) | 16:20 |
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| jgriffith | So for example if I can do "create/snapshot/delete/clone/copy-image" | 16:21 |
| jgriffith | those should all be expectations for every backend in in the system | 16:21 |
| thingee | quantum for example has already dealt with this at the summit. They defined a set of features and vendors are expected to follow it. | 16:21 |
| rushiagr | jgriffith: I liked the idea of additional flags to do custom behavior for custom backends, I guess DuncanT proposed it | 16:21 |
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| guitarzan | wait, everything we can do in lvm should be expected by every backend? | 16:21 |
| hemna | uh oh...this discussion again? :P | 16:22 |
| thingee | I think we were all in an agreement that's the approach we wanted to take, but it's the reference that we follow that made this controversial. | 16:22 |
| xyang_ | not every array can behave exactly like LVM though | 16:22 |
| jgriffith | guitarzan: IMO yes, if we want to choose a different reference or make one up based on a subset of the ref implementation that's fine | 16:22 |
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| guitarzan | I just think equating the reference implementation with the base functionality is not the right move to make | 16:22 |
| jgriffith | guitarzan: But really, *reference* implementations are supposed to be just that | 16:23 |
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| jgriffith | guitarzan: but that's what a reference implementation is | 16:23 |
| guitarzan | I think it's only the reference because it's the easiest | 16:23 |
| jgriffith | haha! I disagree on tht | 16:23 |
| jgriffith | that | 16:23 |
| guitarzan | so we should remove the extra stuff from the reference | 16:23 |
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| jgriffith | SolidFire is WAAAAYYYYY easier than LVM :) | 16:23 |
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| guitarzan | and have an extended lvm backend | 16:23 |
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| DuncanT | So the question then becomes how do things evolve? e.g. I can make the reference implementation do 'allow parent volumes to be deleted' easily enough | 16:23 |
| hemna | :) | 16:23 |
| thingee | guitarzan: the idea would be you can beyond the reference implementation | 16:23 |
| jgriffith | guitarzan: possibly, but what features is the real question I think | 16:23 |
| guitarzan | thingee: I understand | 16:23 |
| bswartz | guitarzan +1 | 16:23 |
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| jgriffith | guitarzan: bswartz so the only thing we should require is create/delete volumes | 16:24 |
| guitarzan | lvm has support for lots of things that some of us consider extended | 16:24 |
| jgriffith | guitarzan: such as? | 16:24 |
| guitarzan | clone? | 16:24 |
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| guitarzan | heck, even snapshots maybe :) | 16:25 |
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| guitarzan | but I won't go there today | 16:25 |
| hemna | but some features can be emulated by the arrays, in which it gives the impression that it still supports feature X to the end user. | 16:25 |
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| jgriffith | hemna: exactly | 16:25 |
| bswartz | fwiw, I don't consider anything in the current LVM driver to be exotic, but if we use it as the bar to all other drivers, there will be a huge incentive to NOT add functionality to the LVM driver, even if it would be easy to do so, if there are other driver that can't match the same feature | 16:25 |
| jungleboyj | guitarzan: +1 | 16:25 |
| DuncanT | And at some point you have to say if array donesn't have features X, Y and Z implemented or emulated, it doesn't work with cinder | 16:25 |
| guitarzan | bswartz: I think that's the tricky point here | 16:25 |
| jgriffith | bswartz: I disagree witht that completely | 16:25 |
| jgriffith | in fact it's just the opposite IMO | 16:25 |
| jgriffith | guitarzan: bswartz so what do you propose? | 16:26 |
| thingee | guitarzan: with the proposal, it would have to be faked to support the idea that the user can request whatever without a matrice of the base features | 16:26 |
| jgriffith | guitarzan: bswartz create and delete are the only requirements? | 16:26 |
| jgriffith | that seems really lame to me | 16:26 |
| bswartz | jgriffith: I just agree with the idea of separating the "reference LVM driver" from the "full feature LVM driver" | 16:27 |
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| hemna | jgriffith, have to include attach/detach though no? | 16:27 |
| guitarzan | jgriffith: I think there's a big span between just create/delete and you have to do everything lvm can do | 16:27 |
| DuncanT | So far, I'm pretty happy with the features we have in LVM all being core, even if I think online clone should require a force flag | 16:27 |
| jgriffith | bswartz: ok, but can you explain why? And what the delta is? | 16:27 |
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| eharney | i have to agree with bswartz... so far NFS/Gluster seem useful but don't support much | 16:27 |
| jgriffith | guitarzan: not really | 16:27 |
| * guitarzan shrugs | 16:27 | |
| jgriffith | there's snapshots and clones | 16:27 |
| bswartz | maybe the full feature LVM driver should use awesome BTRFS features | 16:27 |
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| jgriffith | both of which you suggested shouldn't be required | 16:28 |
| jgriffith | bswartz: ? | 16:28 |
| jungleboyj | jgriffith: It seems that the definition of core needs to be separated from LVM given that others have strong opinions based on their drivers. Sounds like something needs to be defined independently and voted upon. | 16:28 |
| DuncanT | My worry is that the fact that a feature is easy to do on LVM doesn't mean it is easy on a different architecture | 16:28 |
| hemna | we do have a wiki page now that describes the minimum driver requirements | 16:28 |
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| jgriffith | DuncanT: fair | 16:28 |
| jgriffith | So let me backup a second | 16:28 |
| jgriffith | here's my view on what Cinder is: | 16:29 |
| jgriffith | Cinder is Software Defined Storage | 16:29 |
| thingee | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Cinder#Minimum_Driver_Features | 16:29 |
| bswartz | I'm not very interested in this, just agreeing that we might need to reconsider the low bar | 16:29 |
| jgriffith | It abstracts out a pool of backend storage devices for use by a consumer | 16:29 |
| jungleboyj | thingee: Thanks. | 16:29 |
| hemna | jgriffith, not just block storage now? | 16:29 |
| jgriffith | bswartz: well, now that we all know bswartz isn't interested in the project :) | 16:29 |
| jgriffith | hemna: yes, block storage | 16:29 |
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| jgriffith | but I'm not fighting that fight this morning | 16:30 |
| hemna | jgriffith, lol | 16:30 |
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| eharney | :) | 16:30 |
| DuncanT | A reasonably high bar encourages more buy-in from those that chose to meet it | 16:30 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: yes, and the other thing is if you're happy with just a piece of crap then we're done | 16:30 |
| hemna | DuncanT, and if it's too high? we risk not allowing drivers in that could be useful | 16:30 |
| jgriffith | Personally I think there's a lot of potential for Cinder | 16:31 |
| DuncanT | A low bar encourages code-and-dump drive by contributions that aren't necessarily healthy for the project as a whole | 16:31 |
| jgriffith | but it requires people to actually agree on what it's purpose is | 16:31 |
| thingee | DuncanT: +1 | 16:31 |
| hemna | jgriffith, +1 | 16:31 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: +1000 | 16:31 |
| hemna | So we need a middle ground IMO | 16:31 |
| bswartz | I'm just saying I don't feel the need to take us further down this rathole. NetApp doesn't have an issue with the current minimum feature set. I'll let the people who do have issues make the arguments. | 16:31 |
| jgriffith | So looking at the wiki thingee reference: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Cinder#Minimum_Driver_Features | 16:31 |
| DuncanT | Hema: So we've got a list on the wiki... is that a reasonable start or would you change it? | 16:32 |
| jgriffith | Is there anything on there that just makes people scream and kick? | 16:32 |
| thingee | snapshot and clone seems to be what has been brought up. | 16:32 |
| hemna | DuncanT, I think that's a great start and isn't an unreasonably high bar | 16:32 |
| thingee | clone was proposed to be faked for avoiding a matrice of what's supported by drivers | 16:32 |
| jgriffith | thingee: yeah, and funny enough we included "volume from snap, but NOT snap" haha | 16:32 |
| DuncanT | Online clone not needing a force flag makes me mutter darkly, but I'll raise a bug & patch for that and collect oppinions that way | 16:32 |
| hemna | what backends can't do a snap? | 16:33 |
| thingee | Either way, I feel if drivers begin to diverge in going beyond the base features, we're going to end up with a matrice of some sort =/ | 16:33 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: I don't have a problem with it not being allowed online as the base | 16:33 |
| xyang_ | this minimum features list didn't say how delete snapshot should work | 16:33 |
| guitarzan | create/delete snap is there | 16:33 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: IMO that's a perfect example of where differentiaton is good | 16:33 |
| DuncanT | jgriffith: Fantastic :-) | 16:33 |
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| jgriffith | thingee: Sorry... yeah, I see it now :( | 16:34 |
| jgriffith | errr.. guitarzan ^^ | 16:34 |
| jgriffith | thanks, I just missed it before somehow | 16:34 |
| hemna | xyang_, do we really care how snapshot is implemented by a backend? | 16:34 |
| jgriffith | So the key here is that we're not saying everybody has to do it the same way | 16:34 |
| hemna | as long as it is... | 16:34 |
| thingee | jgriffith: +1 | 16:34 |
| jungleboyj | jgriffith: +1 | 16:34 |
| jgriffith | They just have to provide something in the interface that at least gives the expected end-result | 16:35 |
| xyang_ | hemna: I thought we started the discussion by whether the parent should can be deleted while snapshots are still there | 16:35 |
| DuncanT | I'm quite interested in turning the current feature set into a test suite that can give a yes/no answer to is that what you mean by snapshot.... | 16:35 |
| jgriffith | xyang_: that was my lame example | 16:35 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: +1 | 16:35 |
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| hemna | DuncanT, +1 | 16:35 |
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| jgriffith | So back to the prposal | 16:35 |
| hemna | xyang_, I don't think we can require how the backend is implemented for snaps for example. Not all arrays allow parent volumes to be deleted. | 16:35 |
| jgriffith | Note there's no implementation details or rules regarding online/offline | 16:36 |
| xyang_ | hemna: agree | 16:36 |
| jgriffith | We can add details around that, keeping the bar low | 16:36 |
| jgriffith | is there anything really that controversial, other than snapshots and clones for guitarzan ? | 16:36 |
| jgriffith | Which BTW guitarzan I'm not sure why you care, you guys don't have a driver submitted anyway :) | 16:36 |
| guitarzan | hah | 16:36 |
| jgriffith | Just like HP | 16:36 |
| guitarzan | I'm just playing devil's advocate for lvm | 16:37 |
| guitarzan | or against maybe | 16:37 |
| jgriffith | guitarzan: haha... I'd say it's against | 16:37 |
| jgriffith | guitarzan: it does those things :) | 16:37 |
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| jgriffith | even if it isn't pretty :) | 16:37 |
| jgriffith | which is my whole point on this | 16:37 |
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| hemna | So did we decide anything or just argue for fun? | 16:37 |
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| jgriffith | it doesn't have to be efficient/pretty or elegant | 16:37 |
| guitarzan | hemna: I haven't seen what we're voting on yet :) | 16:37 |
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| hemna | :) | 16:37 |
| DuncanT | Looks like we generally agree on the current minimum feature list? And on the principle of having the list? | 16:38 |
| jungleboyj | DuncanT: +1 | 16:38 |
| jgriffith | guitarzan: hemna I would like for an agreement on the prposed list | 16:38 |
| jgriffith | guitarzan: hemna and I'd like to warn folks that if we agree I'm going to enforce it via reviews | 16:38 |
| eharney | so where does the current minimum list leave drivers that already exist but fall short? | 16:38 |
| hemna | so the current requirements + the new ones for Havana? | 16:38 |
| jgriffith | in fact even if we don't agree I still might :) | 16:38 |
| thingee | the proposal is https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Cinder#Minimum_Driver_Features and that we don't care how you implement it, just don't raise an exception | 16:39 |
| jgriffith | eharney: the idea is they're supposed to be fixed in H | 16:39 |
| guitarzan | I don't think anyone has disagreed with the proposed list | 16:39 |
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| jgriffith | Ok.. Yippeee! | 16:39 |
| eharney | jgriffith: ok. i'm scheming something in that area but i'll get to that later | 16:39 |
| guitarzan | the discussion started with something completely different, independent snapshots | 16:40 |
| DuncanT | I suggest we start submitting driver removal patches the day after H3 is cut.... that should get people's attention :-) | 16:40 |
| jgriffith | eharney: :) care to give a preview? | 16:40 |
| hemna | yah I'm ok w/ it. I have my TODO list to add copy image to volume/volume to image for Fibre Channel already, so the FC drivers should get that capability for Havana | 16:40 |
| eharney | jgriffith: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/cinder/+spec/qemu-assisted-snapshots | 16:40 |
| thingee | DuncanT: we agreed to split | 16:40 |
| DuncanT | thingee ;-) | 16:40 |
| thingee | I am after all "that guy" | 16:40 |
| eharney | jgriffith: ideas for snap support on gluster and maybe things like NFS too... still sketching out details to post soon | 16:40 |
| jgriffith | eharney: cool | 16:41 |
| thingee | jgriffith: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/25888/ | 16:41 |
| vincent_hou | y | 16:41 |
| eharney | it changes things up a bit, but looks workable | 16:41 |
| vincent_hou | it is related to https://bugs.launchpad.net/cinder/+bug/1148597 | 16:42 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1148597 in cinder "Snapshot a volume on a different cinder-volume node" [Wishlist,In progress] | 16:42 |
| jgriffith | thingee: vincent_hou you guys wanna talk about that one? | 16:42 |
| thingee | it's next topic :) | 16:43 |
| vincent_hou | yes | 16:43 |
| jgriffith | #topic https://review.openstack.org/#/c/25888/ | 16:43 |
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| thingee | vincent_hou: go for it | 16:43 |
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| vincent_hou | Operation people in my company actually asked for this functionality. They wanted to put the snapshots in a different machines from where the volumes are located. | 16:43 |
| jgriffith | vincent_hou: understand but I have two issues: | 16:44 |
| vincent_hou | They want to to prevent the loss of both the volume and the snapshot on the same machine | 16:44 |
| jgriffith | vincent_hou: snapshots are not backups | 16:44 |
| jgriffith | vincent_hou: we now have backups | 16:44 |
| vincent_hou | right | 16:44 |
| jgriffith | vincent_hou: if you want a backup, do a backukp :) | 16:44 |
| hemna | :) | 16:44 |
| vincent_hou | they said snapshot | 16:44 |
| jgriffith | vincent_hou: the other thing is, the concept of a snapshot we've pretty much made backend specific | 16:44 |
| DuncanT | Tell them 'no' then? | 16:44 |
| vincent_hou | backend specific? | 16:45 |
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| vincent_hou | ohhhhh | 16:45 |
| DuncanT | Some backends already do snapshot as a copy to swift.... | 16:45 |
| jgriffith | vincent_hou: sure... on LVM it may be a qcow | 16:45 |
| jgriffith | dependent on the parent | 16:45 |
| DuncanT | Some do it as COW magic | 16:45 |
| jgriffith | on Ceph is't somethign else | 16:45 |
| jgriffith | etc etc | 16:45 |
| DuncanT | some do dd | 16:45 |
| vincent_hou | I see. | 16:45 |
| thingee | not all backends are suppoorting snapshots now anyways. You avoid that problem with using the cinder-backup service....although that has recently changed in the last proposal. | 16:46 |
| vincent_hou | I have one more question. | 16:46 |
| DuncanT | I've slightly lost track of all the directions people want to take backup in, looking forward to seeing code though | 16:46 |
| vincent_hou | Can we backup directly on a different machine? | 16:47 |
| thingee | sure, have a separate swift machine | 16:47 |
| guitarzan | you'd better have more than one swift machine :) | 16:47 |
| jgriffith | vincent_hou: I'm also hoping that somebody finds the time to do backups to block etc | 16:47 |
| vincent_hou | Mmmmm....... | 16:47 |
| thingee | so what are we agreeing on here? | 16:48 |
| vincent_hou | jgriffith: exactly | 16:48 |
| jgriffith | vincent_hou: the problem is ceph wouldn't know what to do with a SF snap, that wouldn't know what to do with an HP snap that wouldn't konw what to do with..... | 16:48 |
| DuncanT | The whole idea behind backup is that you can put half your swift cluster in a different firecell and your data is safe even if your cinder & nova machines all catch fire | 16:48 |
| thingee | what are the disadvantages of having zoned snaps? | 16:49 |
| thingee | is it going to hurt anything if the option is there? | 16:49 |
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| jgriffith | thingee: the problem I see is there's no way for another backend device to know what to do with it | 16:50 |
| DuncanT | You need to add a whole second code patch to do remote snaps | 16:50 |
| thingee | jgriffith: ok, and that's not addressed by that patch | 16:50 |
| thingee | and in general not how cinder works | 16:51 |
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| thingee | open discussion? | 16:51 |
| jgriffith | thingee: correct, there's really no way to address it outside of the device itself | 16:51 |
| jgriffith | #topic open discussion | 16:51 |
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| jgriffith | w00t | 16:52 |
| jgriffith | short meeting | 16:52 |
| bswartz | i have a question about multipath/ALUA support in cinder -- do we have it? | 16:52 |
| hemna | jgriffith, so I need to start pulling in the FC attach code, and was going to put it in "brick" | 16:52 |
| hemna | where should I put it ? | 16:53 |
| jgriffith | hemna: hmmm.... | 16:53 |
| jgriffith | hemna: I *think* what I'm going to do is | 16:53 |
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| jgriffith | put the dir structure in cinder | 16:53 |
| jgriffith | ie cinder/brick/ | 16:53 |
| jgriffith | populate and use it in Cinder first | 16:53 |
| hemna | ok | 16:53 |
| jgriffith | then create a separate lib that we can use elsewhere similar to what we do with common | 16:53 |
| * thingee has to cut out a bit early for a meeting | 16:54 | |
| jgriffith | bswartz: we don't have it in the code currently no | 16:54 |
| thingee | bye all | 16:54 |
| jgriffith | thingee: cya | 16:54 |
| jgriffith | thingee: thanks! | 16:54 |
| bswartz | anyone interested in multipath support for iSCSI? | 16:54 |
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| hemna | bswartz, didn't that land in nova Grizzly? | 16:54 |
| hemna | I have multipath support in my FC attach code in Nova already | 16:54 |
| jgriffith | bswartz: me | 16:54 |
| xyang_ | nova has code for iscsi multipath | 16:54 |
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| jgriffith | bswartz: oh... multipath or multiattach? | 16:55 |
| bswartz | xyang_: what does nova use it for if cinder doesn't support it? | 16:55 |
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| jgriffith | bswartz: sorry | 16:55 |
| jgriffith | bswartz: I misread | 16:55 |
| bswartz | jgriffith: does that mean not interested? lol | 16:55 |
| xyang_ | xyang_: I think we just need to enable a flag, I am going to try it but haven't got chance | 16:55 |
| jgriffith | bswartz: sorry... no, doesn't mean that at all | 16:55 |
| jgriffith | xyang_: that would be awesome if you have time to do that and could let us know what you find | 16:56 |
| bswartz | I think the attach call should probably evolve to return multiple targets | 16:56 |
| xyang_ | bswartz: just like FC multipath support in nova, I don't think we need to change cinder | 16:56 |
| bswartz | okay perhaps I need to look into it | 16:57 |
| bswartz | I find it hard to believe that it would work with no support from the drivers | 16:57 |
| hemna | we didn't have to do anything in cinder to support multipath for FC | 16:57 |
| xyang_ | bswartz: I looked at code. seems that we don't need to change anything other than the flag. I'll need to test it myself | 16:57 |
| xyang_ | jgriffith: sure, will do | 16:57 |
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| jgriffith | bswartz: I think the iscsi layer does alot of that magic for you | 16:58 |
| bswartz | okay thanks | 16:58 |
| bswartz | I'll just do some testing then | 16:58 |
| jgriffith | bswartz: cool, let folks know how it goes | 16:58 |
| jgriffith | anything else from anybody? | 16:58 |
| guitarzan | I'll ask about the volume type stuff in #openstack-cinder | 16:59 |
| guitarzan | seems like DuncanT doesn't want it to be configurable, but always on | 16:59 |
| jgriffith | guitarzan: ohh, yes on the quotas | 16:59 |
| jgriffith | guitarzan: folks should join in so we can get that hammered out | 16:59 |
| jgriffith | alright, see ya in the channel | 16:59 |
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| jgriffith | thanks everyone | 16:59 |
| jgriffith | #endmeeting | 16:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed May 8 16:59:48 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2013/cinder.2013-05-08-16.01.html | 16:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2013/cinder.2013-05-08-16.01.txt | 16:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2013/cinder.2013-05-08-16.01.log.html | 16:59 |
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| rushiagr | thanks, bye all | 17:00 |
| jungleboyj | Bye. | 17:00 |
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| shardy | #startmeeting heat | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed May 8 20:00:29 2013 UTC. The chair is shardy. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: heat)" | 20:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'heat' | 20:00 |
| shardy | #topic rollcall | 20:00 |
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| SpamapS | o/ | 20:00 |
| therve | Hola | 20:00 |
| mrutkows | here | 20:00 |
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| jpeeler | hi | 20:00 |
| randallburt | hi folks | 20:01 |
| adrian_otto | hi | 20:01 |
| kebray | Hello | 20:01 |
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| hanney | o/ | 20:01 |
| wirehead_ | heya | 20:01 |
| stevebaker | o/ (i'll have to leave early) | 20:02 |
| asalkeld | o/ | 20:02 |
| harlowja | yo | 20:02 |
| shardy | Ok, cool, zaneb said he can't attend today also | 20:02 |
| shardy | Well hi all, let's get started :) | 20:02 |
| shardy | #topic Review last week's actions | 20:03 |
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| shardy | all to take a look at harlowja's wiki page and patch | 20:03 |
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| * oubiwann high-fives therve | 20:03 | |
| shardy | I had a look at the wiki page, but forgot to look at the patch, sorry harlowja | 20:03 |
| harlowja | its fine, the patch is 'evolving' | 20:03 |
| adrian_otto | there are multiple wiki pages. Can you specify which you are referring to? Please offer a link. | 20:04 |
| shardy | adrian_otto: they are linked in the last weeks minutes, but here: | 20:04 |
| shardy | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/NovaOrchestration/WorkflowEngines | 20:04 |
| harlowja | *thats an old one :) | 20:04 |
| shardy | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/StructuredStateManagement | 20:04 |
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| shardy | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2013/heat.2013-05-01-20.00.html | 20:05 |
| adrian_otto | thanks, I'm familiar with that one | 20:05 |
| kebray | familiar here as well. | 20:05 |
| harlowja | there are some ideas being thrown around as to placement of said library, still in progress i think | 20:05 |
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| harlowja | *its a little bit of an odd duckling | 20:05 |
| shardy | The main question I have - is the plan still to create a small library, then build on it? | 20:05 |
| shardy | I didn't like the look of the long list of existing WorkflowEngines much | 20:06 |
| harlowja | shardy so yes i think the small library approach is still the ideal | 20:06 |
| adrian_otto | yes, we want to create a StackForge project, make a small library, then iterate on it | 20:06 |
| shardy | Ok, sounds good | 20:06 |
| adrian_otto | when it makes sense to start pulling in patches to add features or solve issues in Heat, we can pull those over | 20:06 |
| shardy | Anyone else got anything on this or should we move on? | 20:06 |
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| sdake | o/ | 20:07 |
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| shardy | hey sdake | 20:07 |
| sdake | sorry late - late lunch | 20:07 |
| adrian_otto | we are working to have representatives from multiple OpenStack projects on the TaskFlow Stackforge project in order to boost alignment | 20:07 |
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| adrian_otto | that should make integration later easier, as there should be less to debate | 20:07 |
| harlowja | yup | 20:07 |
| kebray | We have confirmed representation on the STackForge TaskFlow project for Reddwarf. | 20:07 |
| harlowja | and i am sorta connected with nova, but i am not a core represenative | 20:08 |
| shardy | adrian_otto: sounds good, definitely sounds like we'll have someone involved also | 20:08 |
| adrian_otto | ideally a core member from each interested project | 20:08 |
| harlowja | yes, that would be nice | 20:09 |
| adrian_otto | but what I am concerned with mostly today is taht we don't stagger innovation and progress by having too much red tape | 20:09 |
| shardy | Unless anyone wants to volunteer now, perhaps we can discuss and come back to you with who (as zaneb is not here and I know he's possibly interested in this area) | 20:09 |
| harlowja | adrian_otto 100% agree | 20:09 |
| adrian_otto | let's get everyone thinking, organized and coding together. | 20:09 |
| harlowja | :) | 20:09 |
| shardy | adrian_otto: +1 | 20:09 |
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| shardy | Ok couple more actions to check: | 20:10 |
| shardy | randallburt assign names to new BPs linked above | 20:10 |
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| shardy | randallburt: this is done now right? | 20:10 |
| randallburt | asalkeld got the assignments sorted so we should be good. | 20:10 |
| shardy | Ok, great | 20:10 |
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| shardy | zaneb to add details to Provider BPs | 20:11 |
| shardy | I'm pretty sure zaneb did this | 20:11 |
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| shardy | everyone to target bp's likely to land in next 2-3 weeks to havana-1 | 20:11 |
| randallburt | He did for the couple I looked at | 20:11 |
| shardy | So this looks good, if anyone has anything they expect to land for h-1 please make sure it's targetted in LP | 20:11 |
| shardy | SpamapS to raise BP re available resources | 20:12 |
| shardy | SpamapS: Pretty sure you did this? | 20:12 |
| SpamapS | I did | 20:12 |
| shardy | Ok, thanks | 20:12 |
| SpamapS | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/heat/+spec/discover-catalog-resources | 20:12 |
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| shardy | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/heat/+spec/discover-catalog-resources | 20:13 |
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| * shardy should've been using info for all those action bullets, oops | 20:13 | |
| shardy | So I only added one topic, which is: | 20:14 |
| shardy | #topic Stable Branch policy cont'd | 20:14 |
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| shardy | We kinda discussed this last week, but I wanted to proposed that we align with what Ceilometer are doing: | 20:14 |
| shardy | - Support Folsom as a best-effort via stable/grizzly | 20:15 |
| shardy | - stop worrying too much about backwards compatibility in master | 20:15 |
| shardy | - Align with the openstack stable-branch policy for all backports | 20:15 |
| shardy | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/StableBranch | 20:16 |
| therve | It sounds fine to me | 20:16 |
| shardy | Does this sound reasonable to everyone? | 20:16 |
| asalkeld | yea | 20:16 |
| sdake | will there be forward compatibility? | 20:17 |
| SpamapS | +1 for not worrying about BC w/ Folsom in master | 20:17 |
| stevebaker | There are quite a few users interested in using latest heat will folsom/grizzly openstacks | 20:17 |
| shardy | sdake: forward compatibility? | 20:17 |
| sdake | ie grizzly->havana | 20:17 |
| shardy | you mean the templates? | 20:17 |
| shardy | upgrade path, db migrations etc? | 20:17 |
| sdake | an upgrade path | 20:17 |
| sdake | yup | 20:17 |
| shardy | Yes, definitely | 20:18 |
| stevebaker | I'd like users who want to use latest heat against folsom/grizzly to self-organise and do the regression testing themselves, and feed us fixes | 20:18 |
| randallburt | stevebaker: +1 | 20:18 |
| asalkeld | the move to ceilometer for alarms is going to be messy | 20:18 |
| stevebaker | so we don't have to worry about BC w/ Folsom in master but we are receptive to those who are | 20:18 |
| SpamapS | We should not break network API compatibility.. but I stand by my charge that the software dependencies present/not-present are orthogonal to that | 20:18 |
| asalkeld | if people are using alarms | 20:18 |
| shardy | stevebaker: agree, but there's some stuff, e.g trusts which only exist in >= grizzly, and as asalkeld say all the new CM alarm stuff | 20:19 |
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| stevebaker | hmm alarms | 20:19 |
| asalkeld | (as the alarm table in heat will need to be ditched and recreated in ceilometer) | 20:19 |
| SpamapS | asalkeld: indeed, Havana should maintain "the old way" for alarms, but deprecate it. So that there is a phased migration path. | 20:19 |
| shardy | I think we've reached (or soon will be reaching the point where it's hard to keep master working on Folsom, and perhaps soon grizzly) | 20:19 |
| SpamapS | also, IMO we need to get stuff like this in the gate | 20:20 |
| shardy | Yep, make the new alarms code default, but have config option for the old stuff, say for one more cycle | 20:20 |
| asalkeld | not so easy | 20:20 |
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| stevebaker | its up to these users to explicitly tell us what is important to them. I'm going to send an email to kick the process off | 20:21 |
| SpamapS | asalkeld: not easy, but critical to holding on to early adopters | 20:21 |
| shardy | asalkeld: alarms will be a one-way change? | 20:21 |
| asalkeld | yea | 20:21 |
| shardy | SpamapS: exactly | 20:21 |
| therve | We would need some kind of functional testing to be able to maintain that properly | 20:21 |
| SpamapS | If somebody has deployed grizzly heat, we should pretty much buy them tiaras and scepters and carry them around on a liter with a throne on top of it at the next summit. | 20:21 |
| stevebaker | I was thinking the new tempest tests could be also run against old openstacks, but that is handled by the people wanting that use case | 20:22 |
| therve | stevebaker, +1 | 20:22 |
| SpamapS | oh, and we should probably try to test their migration too. :) | 20:22 |
| oubiwann | SpamapS: man, you make a good princess pitch | 20:22 |
| asalkeld | I suspect xlcloud is someone we should talk to about it | 20:22 |
| oubiwann | I've got a couple takers here in the office | 20:23 |
| SpamapS | stevebaker: Yeah, lets get the tempest against current openstack first.. but an immediate goal thereafter should be to run it against havana heat + grizzly. | 20:23 |
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| stevebaker | SpamapS: yep, but I wouldn't count on the CI infrastructure doing that for us | 20:24 |
| SpamapS | stevebaker: I would... but.. my boss runs it and he loves stuff like that. :) | 20:24 |
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| SpamapS | mordred: ^^ | 20:24 |
| shardy | Ok, so master should ideally work with havana/devstack and stable/grizzly, but there may be documented workarounds to run on grizzly (e.g bleeding edge client libraries which we're already starting to need) | 20:25 |
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| adrian_otto | mordred: welcome | 20:25 |
| mordred | we would LOVE to do cross-version testing of stuff - but we still don't have that with novaclient+nova yet | 20:25 |
| mordred | so - you know - it might not happen quickly :) | 20:25 |
| clarkb | stevebaker: fwiw I think we probably can run it, just that it probably wouldn't happen as part of the larger integration gate | 20:26 |
| stevebaker | imagine the cross-version permutations, ouch | 20:26 |
| shardy | stevebaker: I think if we're not careful it could be come a huge resource-sink | 20:26 |
| shardy | Be better to say "n-1 version is untested and best-effort" | 20:26 |
| shardy | ie if problems are reported we'll try to fix, and try to avoid knowingly merging stuff which will obviously break with grizzly? | 20:27 |
| shardy | maybe we need a vote, but I'm not sure exactly what we're voting on ;) | 20:28 |
| stevebaker | yep, but my point is it is less of a resource sink if we're not doing the work, the people who are interested in this are | 20:28 |
| shardy | stevebaker: completely agree | 20:28 |
| stevebaker | nothing yet, action point for me to email who is interested | 20:28 |
| SpamapS | Ok, so we need to vote only on policy. | 20:28 |
| SpamapS | Basically, will we respond to bug reports about X with yay or nay. | 20:29 |
| shardy | #action stevebaker to send ML email re backwards-compatibility | 20:29 |
| SpamapS | X being. "trunk running against grizzly" or "stable running against folsom" | 20:29 |
| stevebaker | SpamapS: bug reports on old openstack versions without provided fixes may be politely declined ;) | 20:29 |
| mrutkows | Really hate to leave early for the first Heat meeting, but have a conflict the 2nd half of this hour... hope to be more of a regular from now on | 20:30 |
| therve | shardy, it seems reasonable to include backward compatibility concerns in the review process. Without automation it's wishful thinking though | 20:30 |
| shardy | mrutkows: np o/ | 20:30 |
| stevebaker | therve: yep | 20:31 |
| shardy | therve: well until now we have done it manually, but yes agree automation would be great if someone's willing to do it for us ;) | 20:31 |
| stevebaker | should we move on? | 20:31 |
| shardy | yep | 20:31 |
| shardy | we can follow up on the ML thread started by stevebaker | 20:31 |
| shardy | #topic Open discussion | 20:32 |
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| shardy | Anyone have anything to discuss? | 20:32 |
| SpamapS | heat-cfntools ... | 20:32 |
| tspatzier | I have some news on the open-api-dsl topic .. | 20:33 |
| SpamapS | oo lets do tspatzier's first | 20:33 |
| shardy | tspatzier: go for it :) | 20:33 |
| shardy | tspatzier: I saw your heat-templates review, not finished going through all three templates yet | 20:34 |
| tspatzier | So, I've posted a patch for review about an hour ago to add some variants of the WordPress_Single_Instance template to the heat-templates repo | 20:34 |
| tspatzier | #link https://review.openstack.org/28598 | 20:34 |
| tspatzier | Would be interested in everyone's feedback | 20:34 |
| shardy | tspatzier: great, thanks for this | 20:35 |
| tspatzier | SpamapS: based on that, I also plan to sketch something in reply to the recent ML discussion ... | 20:35 |
| shardy | #action all to look at dsl examples and provide feedback | 20:35 |
| shardy | Any more to add on this, or should we go to SpamapS topic? | 20:36 |
| tspatzier | Let's move on | 20:36 |
| SpamapS | So, heat-cfntools .. | 20:36 |
| SpamapS | I've been doing some poking and prodding of it, and generally trying to get it in shape for my use case.. | 20:36 |
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| SpamapS | But shardy pointed out that this is all very cfn centric, so time spent on it is dead-tools time. | 20:37 |
| SpamapS | I am wondering if the HOT template developers have given much thought to an in-instance agent, which is most of what makes heat-cfntools interesting to me (cfn-hup) | 20:37 |
| asalkeld | no polling? | 20:38 |
| tspatzier | SpamapS: We thought of something like generic "providers" that do in-instance software config | 20:38 |
| SpamapS | not config | 20:38 |
| SpamapS | cfn-init does that... | 20:38 |
| SpamapS | and I don't like it at all | 20:38 |
| tspatzier | Ah, I see | 20:39 |
| SpamapS | cfn-hup is just a triggering mechanism | 20:39 |
| SpamapS | it is meant to expose the timing of updates from the orchestration engine to the instance software | 20:39 |
| asalkeld | we need a communication path | 20:39 |
| stevebaker | SpamapS: have you thought of building what you need in (or on top of) python-heatclient? | 20:39 |
| randallburt | SpamapS: not really. Had hoped to avoid it tbh. | 20:39 |
| SpamapS | stevebaker: no, but that makes perfect sense. | 20:39 |
| shardy | basically we'll need heat-ostools to provide all of our current functionality without the cfn-compatible API | 20:39 |
| SpamapS | randallburt: it cannot be avoided. | 20:39 |
| SpamapS | otherwise you're not doing real orchestration | 20:40 |
| shardy | (which is not necesarily related to the template format) | 20:40 |
| randallburt | SpamapS: yeah, but I had *hope* | 20:40 |
| randallburt | ;) | 20:40 |
| stevebaker | SpamapS: do you need anything other than cfn-hup(ish) | 20:40 |
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| wirehead_ | ugh | 20:40 |
| shardy | I think all we actually need is cloud-init and a metadata-monitor tool (cfn-hup-ish) which talks to the ReST API | 20:41 |
| SpamapS | stevebaker: not really, i just need "cache metadata locally, run hooks on update" | 20:41 |
| therve | SpamapS, what are your requirements, regardless of cfn-hup? | 20:41 |
| SpamapS | shardy: cloud-init is completely orthogonal to this. | 20:41 |
| shardy | We don't need cfn-init for HOT templates IMO, it's a CFN compatibility thing | 20:41 |
| SpamapS | completely. | 20:41 |
| shardy | SpamapS: someone mentioned cfn-init | 20:41 |
| SpamapS | unless you re-work cloud-config to be its own tool, which is I suppose doable. | 20:42 |
| sdake | if idea is to drop cfn, wont that break forward compatibility? | 20:42 |
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| asalkeld | sdake, not drop | 20:42 |
| shardy | sdake: not drop, make optional | 20:42 |
| asalkeld | just add a new better tool | 20:42 |
| sdake | i see | 20:42 |
| SpamapS | ok anyway, lets not design it here, but I wanted to see if anybody else was thinking on this subject | 20:42 |
| asalkeld | better response to updates | 20:42 |
| adrian_otto | I'll add support to SpamapS to do away with config in the new DSL | 20:43 |
| SpamapS | My thinking is if we can tap into the unified notifications bits that have been talked about on openstack-dev, we can use that. | 20:43 |
| asalkeld | SpamapS, +1 to a standalone tool that can respond to heat-engine quickly | 20:43 |
| tspatzier | adrian_otto: +1, we should do this | 20:43 |
| shardy | adrian_otto: it's not just config though, its triggering in-instance actions in response to stack updates | 20:44 |
| SpamapS | So, as HOT is fleshed out, lets make sure we think about these tools as they will be important. | 20:44 |
| tspatzier | Are there concrete use cases documented somewhere? | 20:44 |
| adrian_otto | I am looking at the https://review.openstack.org/#/c/28598/1/hot/WordPress_Single_Instance-alt1.yaml and I think we missed the mark a little | 20:44 |
| adrian_otto | the idea is not to reconstruct the mappings in the DSL with options and inputs | 20:45 |
| shardy | SpamapS: want to take an action to start a ML discssion on this topic? | 20:45 |
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| shardy | stevebaker: o/ | 20:45 |
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| SpamapS | tspatzier: when you replace your memcache server with a bigger server, the Metadata for your instances will all be changed. You want to re-apply config files to point at the new servers, re-start your app servers, and run cfn-signal to tell Heat you've completed that so its ok to move forward with orchestrating things dependent on that action. | 20:45 |
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| SpamapS | shardy: I don't actually.. I think its premature. | 20:46 |
| shardy | cfn-signal is just curl | 20:46 |
| SpamapS | shardy: I will add some notes to the HOT wiki page. | 20:46 |
| sdake | definitely need wait conditions | 20:46 |
| shardy | SpamapS: Ok, as long as we start capturing some of the actual requirements somewhere | 20:46 |
| tspatzier | adrian_otto: sure, let's iterate on it. I laid much focus on cfn compatibility to keep supporting the content, but it's only a first shot | 20:46 |
| adrian_otto | ok | 20:47 |
| adrian_otto | thanks for putting those up | 20:47 |
| SpamapS | shardy: right, thats what I'm going to add. I just think talking about the tools will get in the way of the HOT discussion. | 20:47 |
| adrian_otto | we can polish them a bit more | 20:47 |
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| * asalkeld is not a fan of the mapping section | 20:47 | |
| shardy | SpamapS: Ok, well good to get the discussion started | 20:47 |
| SpamapS | adrian_otto: thats a nice direct translation, if we can make that work, we have something. Agreed that it has too many details about the systems to be the end goal. | 20:48 |
| adrian_otto | SpamapS: YEP | 20:49 |
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| shardy | Any other topics to discuss? | 20:49 |
| tspatzier | SpamapS: nice use case. We handle this with actions attached to links in TOSCA (think of it as something like 'target-added', 'target-removed', 'target-changed' ...) | 20:50 |
| SpamapS | Only that you are all amazing and its realy exciting to see all this steam build up behind Heat. :) | 20:50 |
| randallburt | badumpump | 20:50 |
| SpamapS | :) | 20:50 |
| * adrian_otto hits the hihiat | 20:50 | |
| shardy | haha | 20:51 |
| * kebray wants to play cow bell. | 20:51 | |
| shardy | Yep, great job everyone :) | 20:51 |
| shardy | If there's nothing else we can finish early? | 20:51 |
| wirehead_ | well, given that this is heat, the calliope is our official musical instrument | 20:51 |
| * shardy has to google calliope | 20:51 | |
| wirehead_ | steam powered musical instrument | 20:52 |
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| SpamapS | shardy: yes please make it stop | 20:52 |
| shardy | #endmeeting | 20:52 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed May 8 20:52:28 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:52 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2013/heat.2013-05-08-20.00.html | 20:52 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2013/heat.2013-05-08-20.00.txt | 20:52 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2013/heat.2013-05-08-20.00.log.html | 20:52 |
| sdake | spamaps lol | 20:52 |
| shardy | thanks all | 20:52 |
| wirehead_ | sorry for the final meeting-ending pun :D | 20:52 |
| therve | thanks shardy | 20:53 |
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| dhellmann | #startmeeting ceilometer | 21:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed May 8 21:01:35 2013 UTC. The chair is dhellmann. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: ceilometer)" | 21:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ceilometer' | 21:01 |
| dhellmann | #chair dhellmann | 21:01 |
| openstack | Current chairs: dhellmann | 21:01 |
| dhellmann | #link http://wiki.openstack.org/Meetings/MeteringAgenda | 21:01 |
| dhellmann | Show of hands, who is around for the ceilometer meeting? | 21:01 |
| sandywalsh | o/ | 21:01 |
| dhellmann | o/ | 21:01 |
| eglynn | o/ | 21:01 |
| litong | o/ | 21:01 |
| flwang | o/ | 21:01 |
| salmon_ | o/ | 21:01 |
| n0ano | o/ | 21:02 |
| asalkeld | o/ | 21:02 |
| danspraggins | o/ | 21:02 |
| asalkeld | wow that was fast | 21:02 |
| dhellmann | :-) | 21:02 |
| dhellmann | #topic Tracking of bug #1176017, releasing of MIM | 21:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Tracking of bug #1176017, releasing of MIM (Meeting topic: ceilometer)" | 21:02 | |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1176017 in ceilometer "Reinstate MongoDB testing with ming" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1176017 | 21:02 |
| apmelton1 | o/ | 21:02 |
| dhellmann | #info dhellmann has contacted the upstream developers again (today) and is waiting for a reply | 21:02 |
| dhellmann | this issue is related to getting MIM into a state where we can have our tests depend on it | 21:02 |
| asalkeld | we really need that in | 21:02 |
| dhellmann | we're negotiating the best approach | 21:03 |
| dhellmann | yeah | 21:03 |
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| DanD | o/ | 21:03 |
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| dhellmann | I hate to fork it, since they're open to giving us the keys to make releases, but communication is slow. | 21:03 |
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| dhellmann | any other questions or comments on this before we move on? | 21:04 |
| eglynn | yeah, forking would be a last resort IMO | 21:04 |
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| mrutkows | Joining Ceilometer meeting (late sorry) | 21:04 |
| asalkeld | well, it could be a tempory measure | 21:04 |
| dhellmann | welcome mrutkows, we're just getting started | 21:04 |
| sandywalsh | dhellmann, we had to do the same thing with python-novaclient (which used to be a rackspace cloud client) ... no answer, we forked and moved on. | 21:04 |
| dhellmann | sandywalsh: we've had an answer, including an offer of getting the password to push releases | 21:05 |
| dhellmann | then we hit OSDS, and jd__ and I were incommunicado for a while | 21:05 |
| sandywalsh | ah, gotcha | 21:05 |
| dhellmann | let's give them a week and see where we get -- one of the guys is here in ATL so if he comes to the user group meeting tomorrow I can corner him | 21:05 |
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| dhellmann | jd__ wanted us to track this in our meetings until it's resolved, and to make sure everyone knew what was going on | 21:06 |
| dhellmann | let's move on to the next topic | 21:06 |
| dhellmann | #topic Folsom support with G2 candidate | 21:06 |
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| dhellmann | #link https://lists.launchpad.net/openstack/msg23332.html | 21:06 |
| dhellmann | We have had several support requests or questions with old versions of ceilometer and folsom. | 21:06 |
| dhellmann | What level of support do we want/need to provide? | 21:06 |
| * dhellmann hears crickets | 21:07 | |
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| asalkeld | not sure, it is expensive from a develop pov | 21:07 |
| eglynn | we need to be actively pushing to deprecate Folsom if at all possible | 21:07 |
| DanD | dhellmann, is there a general policy on support of previous versions? | 21:07 |
| DanD | or is there anyone using ceilometer with folsom in production? | 21:08 |
| eglynn | at least getting the message accross that the Folsom support is strictly time limited | 21:08 |
| dhellmann | DanD: there is, but the folsom version of ceilometer doesn't strictly fall under those rules because it wasn't incubated | 21:08 |
| eglynn | DanD: ceilometer was only in incubation at Folsom time | 21:08 |
| eglynn | (so not stable/folsom branch etc.) | 21:08 |
| DanD | seems like thats the answer then :) | 21:09 |
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| eglynn | shardy was discussing the corresponding policy for Heat earlier | 21:09 |
| dhellmann | that's what I think, too, but I thought we should talk about it :-) | 21:09 |
| dhellmann | to be clear, this was a pre-release version of grizzly ceilometer with other folsom components | 21:10 |
| eglynn | IIRC the idea was that heat:stable/grizzly would provde "best effort" support for folsom & grizzly | 21:10 |
| dhellmann | so I suspect it was people trying out ceilometer against their existing clouds | 21:10 |
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| dhellmann | that *should* work if they run ceilometer on a separate server so they don't have the version conflict with dependencies (esp. the client libs) | 21:10 |
| asalkeld | be careful of "best-effort" more like occasional-effort | 21:10 |
| eglynn | not actively test against folsom, but also not knowingly merge anything to stable/grizzlyy that's know the break folsom | 21:10 |
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| dhellmann | asalkeld: +1 on occasional-effort | 21:10 |
| eglynn | asalkeld: yep, I hear ya | 21:10 |
| dhellmann | eglynn: we've already passed the point where our grizzly code runs cleanly with folsom | 21:11 |
| dhellmann | after g2 we started deleting some of the compatibility stuff | 21:11 |
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| dhellmann | it is unusual to support mixed versions of components, isn't it? | 21:11 |
| asalkeld | yea | 21:11 |
| asalkeld | and makes things messy | 21:11 |
| eglynn | dhellmann: OK, so it sounds like agressive pressure to move ceilo users off folsom is called for | 21:12 |
| asalkeld | (or hire devs) | 21:12 |
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| eglynn | (the more we bend over backwards to support folsom, the slower folks will move off it I guess) | 21:12 |
| dhellmann | do we need to make a formal statement about that somewhere, or just tell people we can't help them? | 21:13 |
| asalkeld | we are not a huge team | 21:13 |
| eglynn | an agreed formal statement would be good | 21:13 |
| flwang | I think we need a statement for the support policy on the wiki or somewhere | 21:13 |
| dhellmann | ok | 21:13 |
| dhellmann | jd__ isn't here, should I assign that to him? :-) | 21:14 |
| asalkeld | yea | 21:14 |
| eglynn | go for it! ;) | 21:14 |
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| DanD | so is anyone currently running ceilometer against folsom in production? | 21:14 |
| dhellmann | DanD: I've no idea :-/ | 21:14 |
| asalkeld | not sure | 21:14 |
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| dhellmann | as I said, it's probably fine to do so if it is deployed in a way that separates the dependencies -- the RPC side didn't actually change all that much | 21:15 |
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| dhellmann | #action jd__ and dhellmann to write formal statement about limiting support for pre-grizzly versions of ceilometer | 21:15 |
| dhellmann | perhaps we will create a small market for contract work :-) | 21:16 |
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| asalkeld | seriously niche | 21:16 |
| flwang | a start up for ceilometer support :) | 21:16 |
| dhellmann | ok, moving on | 21:16 |
| dhellmann | #topic Priority of metadata features of SQL and HBase drivers | 21:16 |
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| dhellmann | I'm not sure what this one means. Who added it to the agenda? | 21:16 |
| eglynn | that's from the release status meeting yesterday | 21:17 |
| shengjie | this is about whether we should keep those bps as essential or just high priority | 21:17 |
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| eglynn | so we had two BPs on hbase & sqlalchemy metadata query support both with Essetntial priority set | 21:17 |
| eglynn | this is a red flag to the release mgmt folks | 21:18 |
| asalkeld | # TODO implement metaquery support | 21:18 |
| asalkeld | if len(metaquery) > 0: | 21:18 |
| asalkeld | raise NotImplementedError('metaquery not implemented') | 21:18 |
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| eglynn | (as "Essential" == " we can't release Havana without this") | 21:18 |
| dhellmann | I'd be comfortable saying that about sqlalchemy, but not hbase | 21:19 |
| flwang | for sqlalchemy, I think it's Esstential | 21:19 |
| eglynn | I think jd__'s motivation in setting these Essential was to ensure dev effort is dedicated to them early | 21:19 |
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| asalkeld | I think the sql version is more important | 21:19 |
| eglynn | OK we've alreasy downgrade hbase to High (with shengjie's agreement) | 21:19 |
| eglynn | *already | 21:19 |
| shengjie | we are planning to do the HBase one anyway | 21:19 |
| DanD | at the summit there was a discussion about removing some drivers that didn't have full support | 21:20 |
| shengjie | so it doesn't make that much difference | 21:20 |
| DanD | what is the requirement in terms of updates and how they propgate into the drivers? | 21:20 |
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| eglynn | so conclusion is to keep sqlalchemy as Essential? | 21:20 |
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| flwang | agree +1 | 21:20 |
| asalkeld | I think so eglynn | 21:20 |
| eglynn | DanD: yep the idea was a driver wouldn't be shipped until considered feature-complete | 21:21 |
| asalkeld | just means we _really_ need to find someone to do it | 21:21 |
| sandywalsh | sorry, vpn died, what's the concern with sqlalchemy? | 21:21 |
| dhellmann | DanD: I think that we agreed just to do that for new drivers, right? | 21:21 |
| eglynn | (various ideas around keeping on a branch or in a contrib dir until then ...) | 21:21 |
| asalkeld | sandywalsh, just we need everything implemeted | 21:21 |
| eglynn | dhellmann: yep, just for new drivers IIRC | 21:21 |
| dhellmann | sandywalsh: whether finishing the metadata feature is "essential" or just "high" priority | 21:22 |
| dhellmann | while we're at it, how does this apply to the new alarm stuff asalkeld is doing? | 21:22 |
| dhellmann | I'm behind on reviews, are there changesets to update all of the storage drivers? | 21:22 |
| DanD | dhellman yes, that was the discussion. what I am trying to understand is what happens when a new API feature is added. who owns adding support for all the drivers? | 21:22 |
| asalkeld | well I have done mongo and sql | 21:22 |
| dhellmann | DanD: right, like alarms | 21:22 |
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| sandywalsh | dhellmann, right, we'll likely be going down that road as mysql is our main weapon ... not sure about our use of the metadata feature though | 21:22 |
| epende | If the v2 API depends heavily on metadata, that would seem to make it hard to ship w/o | 21:23 |
| dhellmann | sandywalsh: the metadata feature here is for querying against metadata values on resources, so it's pretty key for most realistic use cases | 21:23 |
| sandywalsh | dhellmann, unless we point back to the underlying event as we'll be doing. But yes, we'll need "extra" attributes on aggregated metrics | 21:23 |
| sandywalsh | ... at some point | 21:23 |
| dhellmann | I see a few options | 21:23 |
| dhellmann | I'm not sure what's best, though. | 21:24 |
| asalkeld | this is the problem with adding new db drivers, adding new features get more and more complex | 21:24 |
| dhellmann | I think if we do drop drivers, we should do it later in the release cycle | 21:24 |
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| DanD | we should at least have a catalog of "required" meta data and test for those | 21:25 |
| sandywalsh | some db features should be considered essential and some optional (left to the driver maintainer) | 21:25 |
| eglynn | yep, once released, v. hard to drop if not initially marked as contrib/experimental | 21:25 |
| sandywalsh | metadata on metrics (if that's the only way to put extra attributes on metrics) ... should be essential | 21:25 |
| sandywalsh | s/metrics/meters/ | 21:25 |
| asalkeld | yip | 21:25 |
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| eglynn | maybe we need to distinguish between "tier one" and "tier two" storage drivers | 21:26 |
| sandywalsh | eglynn, t1 & t2 db api features, not drivers | 21:26 |
| dhellmann | our feature set is really small, though, is it worth that complexity? | 21:26 |
| dhellmann | otoh, if a driver doesn't support "alarms" but does support "meters" then it is still useful for some deployments | 21:27 |
| sandywalsh | that is, I shouldn't have to implement events in all drivers. So long as there is one reference driver implementation. | 21:27 |
| dhellmann | so maybe you're right, not "tiers" but list which features are fully supported | 21:27 |
| shengjie | asalkeld: +1 on the APIs should be splitter to to tiers | 21:27 |
| shengjie | s/to/two/ | 21:27 |
| DanD | so if a API feature is required an no one cares enough to update the driver, then it no longer qualifies and gets droppped? | 21:27 |
| dhellmann | DanD: no, but we do document that case | 21:27 |
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| dhellmann | that way deployers can be informed | 21:27 |
| shengjie | sorry meant to +1 sandy | 21:28 |
| asalkeld | no worries | 21:28 |
| dhellmann | and maybe if a driver isn't being kept up to date with lots of new features, we consider dropping it | 21:28 |
| sandywalsh | dhellmann, +1 | 21:28 |
| eglynn | or moving it out to a contrib dir | 21:28 |
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| dhellmann | eglynn: meh, that's what git history is for | 21:28 |
| shengjie | some of the features might be easy for sql , not easy for no-sql dbs | 21:28 |
| litong | not only developers but also users , if an implementation can not keep up or has performance issues, then people will stop use it. | 21:28 |
| asalkeld | well that indicates developer interest, not user intersest | 21:28 |
| dhellmann | shengjie: and the other way around, too | 21:29 |
| DanD | dhellmann so is it the responsiblity of the api server code to handle the fact that a driver doesn't implement a query? | 21:29 |
| sandywalsh | it's a little tricky, since nosql is so easy to extend the schema in crazy ways, but a large effort in sql ... the nosql issue is when it comes to clustering, where sql shines. | 21:29 |
| shengjie | dhellmann: true | 21:29 |
| litong | I think it should be really just clearly documented. there is no need to really drop anything. | 21:29 |
| eglynn | dhellmann: well contrib allows folks to continue to use it (at their own risk) | 21:29 |
| dhellmann | DanD: no, the API may just return errors | 21:29 |
| epende | dhellmann would no-op's be acceptable? | 21:29 |
| sandywalsh | so, the mongo people can push the schema in ways that add a lot of work for the sql maintainers | 21:29 |
| litong | @dhellmann, or the api will just say it can not support that request. | 21:30 |
| dhellmann | epende: no, no-ops make it look like it's working when it isn't | 21:30 |
| epende | good point | 21:30 |
| dhellmann | sandywalsh: we're all the same people, so we should be able to control for that | 21:30 |
| dhellmann | litong: right, via an error message | 21:30 |
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| dhellmann | I don't want to complicate the db api by having a way for the caller to ask "what do you do"? | 21:30 |
| litong | status code 505 | 21:31 |
| sandywalsh | dhellmann, +1 | 21:31 |
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| dhellmann | ok | 21:31 |
| sandywalsh | then the question becomes, should the functionality go in tests.storage.base or test.storage.test_<foo> | 21:31 |
| litong | if anyone really wants to support certain driver, then they will have to work harder to provide and maintain the driver. | 21:32 |
| sandywalsh | if it's in the base, it should work for all drivers | 21:32 |
| litong | this is Open Source after all. | 21:32 |
| sandywalsh | if it's in the driver-specific test, it's optional | 21:32 |
| dhellmann | sandywalsh: we can segregate the tests for each feature and use scenarios to include the drivers that should be tested | 21:32 |
| litong | @sandywalsh, I think we are saying the samething. | 21:32 |
| epende | 505 or 501? | 21:32 |
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| dhellmann | but that's an implementation detail | 21:32 |
| dhellmann | we can work out the exact error code later | 21:33 |
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| sandywalsh | litong, yep, I think so | 21:33 |
| litong | @epende, I can go either way. | 21:33 |
| dhellmann | so it sounds like we've agreed that the db api will be defined in "chunks" and that a driver has to support a whole chunk or not claim to support it, is that right? | 21:33 |
| dhellmann | and then we will document that support | 21:33 |
| eglynn | sounds reasonble | 21:33 |
| sandywalsh | yep | 21:33 |
| asalkeld | yea, ok | 21:33 |
| shengjie | agree | 21:34 |
| eglynn | clearly doc'd DB v. "functional chunk" matrix | 21:34 |
| dhellmann | #agreed the db api will be defined in "chunks" and that a driver has to support a whole chunk or not claim to support it. we will document which features are supported by each driver | 21:34 |
| sandywalsh | and events are an optional chunk :p | 21:34 |
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| dhellmann | sandywalsh: seems fair enough | 21:34 |
| litong | yes, clearly document what is working and what is not. with implementation returning either 501 or 505 | 21:34 |
| dhellmann | we have the base API now, the event API, and the alarm API | 21:35 |
| epende | litong +1 | 21:35 |
| dhellmann | ok, good. anything else to add before moving on? | 21:35 |
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| shengjie | who should i talk to in terms of | 21:36 |
| shengjie | adding event APi alarm API to HBase | 21:36 |
| dhellmann | shengjie: probably sandywalsh | 21:36 |
| sandywalsh | shengjie, looks like the alert api has landed already and I should be putting event api up this week. | 21:37 |
| sandywalsh | (in the db anyway) | 21:37 |
| shengjie | sandywalsh: cool, we take it off line then, Sandy | 21:37 |
| dhellmann | ok, next topic | 21:37 |
| dhellmann | #topic Milestone assignment of Havana BPs | 21:37 |
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| sandywalsh | the HP guys are going to be working on a web api proposal for events | 21:37 |
| eglynn | that's another request from the release mgmt meeting yesterday | 21:37 |
| dhellmann | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ceilometer/havana | 21:37 |
| eglynn | that Havana BPs are lined up with individual milestones if possible | 21:37 |
| eglynn | h1, h2, h3 etc. | 21:37 |
| dhellmann | so we need to declare when we think we will finish each blueprint? | 21:38 |
| eglynn | makes it easier for release mgr to track progress | 21:38 |
| eglynn | yes, an initial estimate at least | 21:38 |
| dhellmann | ok | 21:38 |
| dhellmann | so, everyone should go do that this week! :-) | 21:38 |
| eglynn | (BPs can of course be bumped to a later milestone if necessary) | 21:38 |
| eglynn | yep, please do folks, it'll make Thierry happy :) | 21:38 |
| dhellmann | #action blueprint-owners, set milestones on all blueprints | 21:39 |
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| asalkeld | is that only approved ones? | 21:39 |
| eglynn | yes, I would think so | 21:39 |
| dhellmann | do we have any listed for havana that aren't approved? | 21:39 |
| dhellmann | ah, yeah, "drafting" | 21:39 |
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| DanD | dhellman what is the deadline for submitting blueprints? | 21:40 |
| eglynn | "drafting" == "under the radar for now" ? | 21:40 |
| dhellmann | DanD: that's a question for jd__, but I thought it was before the summit | 21:40 |
| sandywalsh | I have a "drafting" and to me it means "don't know what monsters live under those blankets just yet" | 21:40 |
| eglynn | LOL :) | 21:40 |
| shengjie | I have one waiting for approval | 21:41 |
| sandywalsh | :) | 21:41 |
| asalkeld | crazy level of project management for an opensource project IMO | 21:41 |
| dhellmann | shengjie: prod jd__ to look at it? | 21:41 |
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| dhellmann | asalkeld: I think it gets more important when we have to coordinate with the doc team | 21:41 |
| sandywalsh | asalkeld, it's all about the packaging apparently | 21:41 |
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| eglynn | re. submission deadline, I think a BP can still be submitted as long there's a developer willing to pick it up | 21:41 |
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| eglynn | DanD: ^^^ | 21:42 |
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| shengjie | dhellmann: eglynn is looking at it :) | 21:42 |
| DanD | dhellmann we put in an API blueprint but are still evaluating whether the current v2 API meets our requriements. I was assuming we would need to do a implementation blueprint if we find gaps | 21:42 |
| DanD | or are we covered with the one I reviewed at the summit? | 21:43 |
| dhellmann | DanD: good question :-/ | 21:43 |
| dhellmann | is that one on the havana list? | 21:43 |
| DanD | didn't see it. but we can check again | 21:43 |
| dhellmann | ok. if it's not there, you should probably get something together asap | 21:44 |
| DanD | ok | 21:44 |
| dhellmann | any other questions about blueprints? | 21:44 |
| dhellmann | ok, moving on | 21:45 |
| dhellmann | #topic Open discussion | 21:45 |
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| salmon_ | I have a question | 21:45 |
| flwang | dhellmann, where can I get the calendar to add it into my Notes? | 21:45 |
| asalkeld | I could do with some ceilometerclient reviews | 21:45 |
| dhellmann | flwang: the havana schedule? | 21:46 |
| flwang | nope, the weekly meeting | 21:46 |
| dhellmann | asalkeld: I have a huge backlog, but I'll try to prioritize those | 21:46 |
| asalkeld | k | 21:46 |
| salmon_ | I'm thinking about monitoring all users actions. Is ceilometer good place to implement such functionality? | 21:46 |
| dhellmann | flwang: there are links to HTML and ICS versions of the calendar on https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/MeteringAgenda#Agenda | 21:46 |
| sandywalsh | salmon_, the event mechanism will help with that. | 21:47 |
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| dhellmann | oops, I mean https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/MeteringAgenda#Weekly_Metering_meeting | 21:47 |
| eglynn | asalkeld: I'll pick up a few 1st thing tmrw also | 21:47 |
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| asalkeld | thanks eglynn | 21:47 |
| dhellmann | asalkeld: yeah, it will be at least 14 hrs for me, too | 21:47 |
| sandywalsh | salmon_, storing all the events that come out of nova, including the tenant id and Request ID ... essentially the entire user action. | 21:47 |
| dhellmann | salmon_: what sandywalsh said :-) | 21:47 |
| salmon_ | sandywalsh: but, is ceilometer designed to do such things? | 21:48 |
| sandywalsh | salmon_, it will be :) | 21:48 |
| salmon_ | or is it just side effect? | 21:48 |
| dhellmann | salmon_: we're building that feature during this release | 21:48 |
| sandywalsh | salmon_, that's the purpose of the feature | 21:48 |
| flwang | I remembered that you posted an google calendar last time, then I added this meeting into my notes calendar | 21:48 |
| dhellmann | that's what the event feature is for | 21:48 |
| salmon_ | ah, good :) | 21:48 |
| sandywalsh | salmon_, if you need something today, you can look at the ServerActions table in nova | 21:48 |
| dhellmann | flwang: https://www.google.com/calendar/ical/h102rn64cnl9n2emhc5i3hjjso%40group.calendar.google.com/public/basic.ics | 21:48 |
| sandywalsh | salmon_, but that's not a CM thing. | 21:49 |
| salmon_ | sandywalsh: I need it also for glance so ServerActions is just part of solution | 21:49 |
| dhellmann | #link https://www.google.com/calendar/ical/h102rn64cnl9n2emhc5i3hjjso%40group.calendar.google.com/public/basic.ics | 21:49 |
| litong | @flwang, I tested that ics file and it worked great. | 21:49 |
| litong | on notes of course. | 21:49 |
| sandywalsh | salmon_, true | 21:49 |
| dhellmann | salmon_: the event monitor in ceilometer will be able to listen to events from everywhere | 21:49 |
| flwang | cool, that's what I want, thanks dhellmann and litong | 21:49 |
| salmon_ | dhellmann: cool | 21:49 |
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| dhellmann | does anyone else have anything? | 21:51 |
| shengjie | dhellmann: btw, since we need more people working on HBase :) can u +2 this one https://review.openstack.org/#/c/28316/ | 21:51 |
| dhellmann | shengjie: that's on my review backlog, but I'm dealing with some internal stuff at dh this week so I'm falling behind :-/ | 21:51 |
| shengjie | dhellmann: I will force __jd to +2 it tomorrow, no worries :) | 21:52 |
| dhellmann | sounds good :-) | 21:52 |
| dhellmann | if that's all we have, we can end a few minutes early... | 21:52 |
| litong | if anyone can help review this patch, that will be great. | 21:52 |
| litong | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/27835/ | 21:52 |
| asalkeld | later all | 21:52 |
| eglynn | cool, thanks all! | 21:52 |
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| dhellmann | ok, thanks everyone! | 21:53 |
| dhellmann | #endmeeting | 21:53 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack meetings || Development in #openstack-dev || Help in #openstack" | 21:53 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed May 8 21:53:18 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:53 |
| flwang | thanks, dhellmann | 21:53 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ceilometer/2013/ceilometer.2013-05-08-21.01.html | 21:53 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ceilometer/2013/ceilometer.2013-05-08-21.01.txt | 21:53 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ceilometer/2013/ceilometer.2013-05-08-21.01.log.html | 21:53 |
| sandywalsh | thanks dhellmann | 21:53 |
| sandywalsh | cheers y'all! | 21:53 |
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