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| nati_ueno | Hi | 00:00 |
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| pcm_ | Hi | 00:01 |
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| nati_ueno | pcm_: hi | 00:01 |
| pcm_ | nati_ueno: hi | 00:02 |
| nati_ueno | Only two guys? | 00:03 |
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| nati_ueno | Swami: hi could you update https://docs.google.com/a/ntti3.com/presentation/d/1J7k1eI13-3pQVwp5XgZDWPfzUvuSqczRdK0lEZKQOKk/edit#slide=id.gd3a78cf4_146 ? | 00:04 |
| nati_ueno | for your progress on the tasks | 00:04 |
| markmcclain | hi | 00:04 |
| nati_ueno | markmcclain: hi | 00:04 |
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| Swami | Hi Mark, based on the blueprint and our discussions I have updated the Wiki with the API and CLI commands | 00:05 |
| markmcclain | cool | 00:05 |
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| nati_ueno | Ok let's start meeting | 00:06 |
| nati_ueno | #startmeeting quantum_vpnaas | 00:06 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue May 14 00:06:33 2013 UTC. The chair is nati_ueno. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 00:06 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 00:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: quantum_vpnaas)" | 00:06 | |
| nati_ueno | ah no | 00:06 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'quantum_vpnaas' | 00:06 |
| nati_ueno | #endmeeting | 00:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack meetings || Development in #openstack-dev || Help in #openstack" | 00:06 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue May 14 00:06:42 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 00:06 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/quantum_vpnaas/2013/quantum_vpnaas.2013-05-14-00.06.html | 00:06 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/quantum_vpnaas/2013/quantum_vpnaas.2013-05-14-00.06.txt | 00:06 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/quantum_vpnaas/2013/quantum_vpnaas.2013-05-14-00.06.log.html | 00:06 |
| nati_ueno | #startmeeting openstack_networking_vpn | 00:06 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue May 14 00:06:56 2013 UTC. The chair is nati_ueno. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 00:06 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 00:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: openstack_networking_vpn)" | 00:06 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_networking_vpn' | 00:07 |
| nati_ueno | #topic local_subnet vs local_cidr | 00:07 |
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| nati_ueno | so one minor point on api discussion is local_subnet vs local_cidr | 00:07 |
| nati_ueno | openstack networking guys tend to +1 for local_cidr because subnet is already used in more general meanings | 00:08 |
| nati_ueno | vpn guys tend to +1 for local_subnet because it is familiar with existing configrations | 00:08 |
| nati_ueno | markmcclain: how do you think? | 00:09 |
| markmcclain | my preference is for local_cidrs | 00:10 |
| nati_ueno | me too | 00:10 |
| markmcclain | I know it is different from other implementations | 00:10 |
| Swami | I am ok with local_cidrs | 00:10 |
| nati_ueno | pcm_ : how do you think? | 00:10 |
| pcm_ | nati_ueno: no real preference. StrongSwan seems to use left and right for local/remote. Not sure if that muddies it more. | 00:11 |
| nati_ueno | pcm_: gotcha | 00:11 |
| pcm_ | with subnet | 00:11 |
| pcm_ | leftsubnet rightsubnet | 00:11 |
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| nati_ueno | it is driver specific so it looks no problem | 00:12 |
| Swami | But as far we document in the help string, we can map it in the implementation | 00:12 |
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| nati_ueno | OK so let's go with local_cidr but may be we should discuss this again when Qin@VMware join the meeting. | 00:13 |
| nati_ueno | OK next topic | 00:13 |
| markmcclain | the one question I do have to local subnets | 00:13 |
| markmcclain | there should be a 1:1 for the cidr list and a tenants subnet correct? | 00:13 |
| Swami | Yes | 00:13 |
| markmcclain | so would it make more sense to accept a list of subnet ids? | 00:14 |
| nati_ueno | No we should support small area of the subnet | 00:14 |
| nati_ueno | or aggregate of the subnets | 00:14 |
| Swami | Yes that was our proposal, peer_cidrs and local_cidrs will be a list of cidrs | 00:14 |
| nati_ueno | let's say if Subnet cidr is 10.0.0.0/24, we can also specify 10.0.0.0/31 on vpn | 00:14 |
| nati_ueno | Swami: right | 00:15 |
| nati_ueno | markmcclain: is this makes sence? | 00:15 |
| Swami | Yes | 00:15 |
| markmcclain | nati_ueno: I don't understand that use case | 00:15 |
| nati_ueno | markmcclain: so sometimes, we want to expose only limited ips for vpn side | 00:16 |
| nati_ueno | or aggregate many tiny subnets for performance reason | 00:16 |
| markmcclain | aggregating a list of existing cidrs is easy | 00:16 |
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| Swami | yes we can aggregate and provide a single cidr that will accept all the subnets in the tenants network | 00:17 |
| nati_ueno | so let's numbering the usecase 1) sub area of subnet 2) aggregate multiple subnets | 00:18 |
| nati_ueno | markmcclain: 1) don't make sense for you? and 2) makes sense for you | 00:18 |
| nati_ueno | ? | 00:18 |
| markmcclain | yeah | 00:19 |
| markmcclain | Automating #2 reduces the chance of errors | 00:19 |
| nati_ueno | OK for 1). may I ask why it doesn't make sense? | 00:19 |
| nati_ueno | how we Automating #2 ? | 00:21 |
| markmcclain | have to think a bit more | 00:22 |
| nati_ueno | markmcclain: gotcha. | 00:23 |
| markmcclain | but it just seems odd that we're requiring a tenant to enter data | 00:23 |
| markmcclain | multiple times | 00:23 |
| nati_ueno | markmcclain: I agree for that point. may be client can accept subnet_id and translate it to the cidr | 00:24 |
| Swami | in that case can we document and say enter the aggregate cidr for the peer and local subnets | 00:24 |
| markmcclain | nati_ueno: that approach supports the case of making local_cidrs a list of subnet_ids | 00:25 |
| nati_ueno | markmcclain: we should think about cli namings | 00:26 |
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| nati_ueno | markmcclain: but my intension is specifying subnet_id in local_cidrs on CLI | 00:26 |
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| nati_ueno | or may be we can hire local_subnet and accept both of subnet_id and cidrs | 00:27 |
| markmcclain | Swami: a vpnserviceconnection has a 1:1 with a VPNConneciton | 00:27 |
| markmcclain | the VPNService can only have 1 subnet, so we'd be agg'ing only 1 subnet | 00:27 |
| markmcclain | nati_ueno: specifying a cidr on the CLI is ambigous | 00:28 |
| Swami | Yes that is true | 00:28 |
| markmcclain | a tenant can create two networks with the same cidr | 00:28 |
| markmcclain | which subnet would you match? | 00:28 |
| nati_ueno | markmcclain: it don't matter, because we connect vpn to the router | 00:29 |
| nati_ueno | markmcclain: And we can't plug overwrapping subnets for one router | 00:29 |
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| markmcclain | right but for referential integrity.. we need to know which subnet they want associated | 00:29 |
| markmcclain | otherwise the logic in the router becomes more complex | 00:30 |
| nati_ueno | what's referential integrity? | 00:30 |
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| markmcclain | at the db layer how the models relate to each other | 00:30 |
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| nati_ueno | so some usecase requires different range of subnet's cidr. | 00:31 |
| nati_ueno | so we can't mapping it 1to1 | 00:31 |
| nati_ueno | I agree if we chooose subnet_id | 00:32 |
| nati_ueno | when the subnet deleted, we can also update vpn config automatically | 00:32 |
| nati_ueno | it is clean | 00:32 |
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| nati_ueno | however it limits the scope | 00:32 |
| nati_ueno | And also even if VPNService can only have 1 subnet, the associated router will be nexthops for multiple local subnets (cidrs) | 00:35 |
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| nati_ueno | so using cidrs is simple way to support usecases ( #1 #2) | 00:35 |
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| markmcclain | they'll work because the data is denormalized… but long term this might cause more problems | 00:37 |
| markmcclain | we move forward with cidrs for now, but might make sense to revisit this | 00:37 |
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| nati_ueno | markmcclain: Thanks. Could you target the bp above? | 00:41 |
| markmcclain | nati_ueno: done | 00:42 |
| nati_ueno | markmcclain: Thanks! | 00:42 |
| nati_ueno | ok next. check default value for lifetime value (Swami) | 00:42 |
| nati_ueno | Swami: did you checked this one? | 00:42 |
| Swami | nachi: updated the document for the default Kilobytes. | 00:42 |
| nati_ueno | Swami: Thanks! | 00:42 |
| nati_ueno | Implement Data Model (Swami will push code to the gerrit) | 00:43 |
| nati_ueno | Swami: May I ask when you can push? | 00:43 |
| Swami | nachi: Yes I have to do some clean up and once done, I will push it to the gerrit for review | 00:43 |
| nati_ueno | Swami: in this week or next week? | 00:43 |
| Swami | Nachi: By the end of this week, it should be in gerrit, but it may not have the unit-tests covered. | 00:43 |
| nati_ueno | Swami: it is OK for now because it is WIP | 00:44 |
| Swami | got it. | 00:44 |
| nati_ueno | so 5/20 is OK? | 00:44 |
| Swami | Yes let us target for 5/20. | 00:44 |
| nati_ueno | Swami: Thanks! | 00:44 |
| nati_ueno | Implement Driver (Nachi & PCM ) | 00:45 |
| nati_ueno | pcm_: do you have any progress? | 00:45 |
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| pcm_ | Just looked at StrongSwan docs. See they have example for net2net, psk. Assuming that is what we want to do first off right? | 00:45 |
| pcm_ | They have example net http://www.strongswan.org/uml/testresults/ikev2/net2net-psk/ | 00:46 |
| Swami | I pcm if you need any pointers to Strongswan or sample configuration, let me know and I can provide it. | 00:46 |
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| pcm_ | Swami: Can always use more info. Feel free to email me info. | 00:46 |
| Swami | Look for IKEv1 examples for the first test case | 00:46 |
| Swami | sure. | 00:46 |
| nati_ueno | Swami: Thanks! | 00:47 |
| pcm_ | I was going to try to set this up in VBOX. | 00:47 |
| nati_ueno | OK let's target driver for 5/31 since this one depends CRUD model | 00:47 |
| pcm_ | Have four VMs, trying to figure out how to do the I/Fs. | 00:47 |
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| nati_ueno | pcm_: gotcha | 00:47 |
| nati_ueno | pcm_: 5/31 is OK for you also? | 00:47 |
| pcm_ | nachi_ueno: Let me know if it makes sense to do a sample in VBOX for config. | 00:48 |
| nati_ueno | pcm_: it sounds make sence | 00:48 |
| pcm_ | nachi_ueno: Not sure, as I don't know how much there is to do (never have done a driver for OS). Will defer to your assesment. | 00:49 |
| nati_ueno | pcm_: gotcha. if strongswan works, it is not difficult to write driver. it just RPC & and conf generation | 00:49 |
| markmcclain | Do we have a spec interface for the driver? | 00:49 |
| nati_ueno | markmcclain: not yet. I'll propose it | 00:50 |
| nati_ueno | OK next | 00:50 |
| nati_ueno | CLI (python-quantum client) work (Swami will push code to the gerrit) | 00:51 |
| nati_ueno | Swami: this is 5/20 also? | 00:51 |
| Swami | agreed!! | 00:51 |
| nati_ueno | Swami: Thanks!! | 00:51 |
| nati_ueno | Write openstack network api document wiki (Sachin) <-- let's ask this next time | 00:51 |
| nati_ueno | Devstack support | 00:51 |
| nati_ueno | Any task takers? | 00:51 |
| nati_ueno | ok I'll take this for now | 00:51 |
| markmcclain | nati_ueno: it's hard to write devstack support until | 00:52 |
| pcm_ | I can ask if someone on our team wants to help, if you'd like. | 00:52 |
| markmcclain | there are rudimenatry steps to install the needed components | 00:52 |
| nati_ueno | markmcclain: yeah, I agree. It will be may be late July | 00:52 |
| nati_ueno | pcm_: thanks! | 00:52 |
| nati_ueno | OK if anyone interested in Horizon and Tempest, please let me know | 00:53 |
| markmcclain | for LBaaS we kept a wiki with the installation instructions and then the devstack support became an afternoon project | 00:53 |
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| nati_ueno | markmcclain: That's nice idea | 00:53 |
| nati_ueno | markmcclain: Let's have installation instructions for VPN | 00:54 |
| markmcclain | it also helps the reviewers test | 00:54 |
| nati_ueno | markmcclain: gotcha | 00:54 |
| nati_ueno | markmcclain: I'll link the wiki when I submit strong swan driver | 00:54 |
| markmcclain | sounds good | 00:54 |
| nati_ueno | OK any other topics? | 00:55 |
| pcm_ | nati_ueno: Offline maybe we can talk about VBOX emulation of the test setup I have. | 00:56 |
| nati_ueno | pcm_: Gotcha. Are you in Bay Area? if so F2F is more efficient for this kind of task :) | 00:56 |
| pcm_ | nati_ueno: Nope. East Coast :( | 00:57 |
| pcm_ | Boston area | 00:57 |
| nati_ueno | OK let's talk on online. my skype is nati.ueno same for google+ | 00:57 |
| nati_ueno | Next meeting is 5/16 Thursday at 5pm (PST) ( VMWare guy will join) | 00:58 |
| pcm_ | Can do a phone call or WebEx possibly. | 00:58 |
| pcm_ | oh ok. | 00:58 |
| nati_ueno | pcm_: yes | 00:58 |
| Swami | ok | 00:58 |
| nati_ueno | pcm_: webex & phone call is OK too | 00:58 |
| nati_ueno | markmcclain: the time is OK for you? | 00:58 |
| markmcclain | I'm a maybe for Thurs (it conflicts with the Atlanta OpenStack Meetup) | 00:59 |
| markmcclain | if the wifi is good.. I'll do both | 00:59 |
| nati_ueno | What's the time of Atlanta OpenStack Meetup> | 00:59 |
| nati_ueno | ? | 00:59 |
| nati_ueno | May be we can change the time | 00:59 |
| markmcclain | the meetup is 7pm eastern | 01:00 |
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| nati_ueno | Ok let's schedule in the mail | 01:00 |
| nati_ueno | Thank for your joining meeting! | 01:00 |
| nati_ueno | #endmeeting | 01:00 |
| pcm_ | nati_ueno: FYI My skype is pc_michali | 01:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue May 14 01:00:58 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 01:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_networking_vpn/2013/openstack_networking_vpn.2013-05-14-00.06.html | 01:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_networking_vpn/2013/openstack_networking_vpn.2013-05-14-00.06.txt | 01:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_networking_vpn/2013/openstack_networking_vpn.2013-05-14-00.06.log.html | 01:01 |
| nati_ueno | pcm_: Thanks! | 01:01 |
| markmcclain | have a good evening | 01:01 |
| Swami | bye | 01:01 |
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| annegentle | anyone here for the Doc team meeting? | 13:01 |
| annegentle | raise your hand! o/ | 13:01 |
| * ladquin is | 13:01 | |
| annegentle | hey ladquin! | 13:01 |
| ladquin | o/ | 13:01 |
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| ladquin | hey annegentle! | 13:01 |
| writer___ | hey! | 13:01 |
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| writer___ | my nickname keeps getting shorter - ha ha | 13:01 |
| nickchase | good morning | 13:01 |
| annegentle | #startmeeting docwebteam | 13:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue May 14 13:02:00 2013 UTC. The chair is annegentle. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:02 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: docwebteam)" | 13:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'docwebteam' | 13:02 |
| annegentle | writer___: hee hee. Fill in the blank? | 13:02 |
| ladquin | morning / evening /afternoon all | 13:02 |
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| annegentle | hey nickchase welcome! | 13:02 |
| annegentle | hi sld (short nick) | 13:02 |
| nickchase | Thanks anne | 13:02 |
| annegentle | Okay, the agenda is at https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/DocTeamMeeting | 13:02 |
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| annegentle | #topic Previous action items | 13:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Previous action items (Meeting topic: docwebteam)" | 13:03 | |
| annegentle | last meeting's notes are at http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docwebteam/2013/docwebteam.2013-04-09-13.00.html | 13:03 |
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| annegentle | I had an action to add more info about 1.7.2 to the HowTo wiki page | 13:03 |
| dianefleming | Aren't we at 1.8.0 now? | 13:03 |
| annegentle | I added info about the Maven plugin, but we're already at 1.8.0 so I don't think I should document a specific version | 13:04 |
| annegentle | dianefleming: yup | 13:04 |
| dianefleming | agreed | 13:04 |
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| annegentle | So, I added a section about the Maven plugin and edited a section and PDF, and so on. | 13:04 |
| dianefleming | doesn't david c keep release notes for each version? could we link to that? | 13:04 |
| ladquin | were all poms migrated? | 13:04 |
| annegentle | And fixed a link to the release notes | 13:04 |
| annegentle | yep | 13:04 |
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| annegentle | ladquin: yes, to 1.7.2, now we should move to 1.8.0 | 13:04 |
| ladquin | oh, ok, good | 13:05 |
| annegentle | ladquin: though 1.8.0 is not as critical | 13:05 |
| annegentle | The only other ACTION was to release Grizzly docs. DONE and Done and done. | 13:05 |
| annegentle | whew. | 13:05 |
| annegentle | #topic Grizzly release | 13:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Grizzly release (Meeting topic: docwebteam)" | 13:05 | |
| dianefleming | HURRAY! | 13:05 |
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| annegentle | Does anyone have any input/feedback/gripes about the Grizzly release (docs specifically?) | 13:05 |
| annegentle | how did the DocImpact work for you? etc. | 13:06 |
| sld | I have some problems with inconsistencies in some areas (config and cli options, etc.), but that is already being worked on, as you know. | 13:06 |
| dianefleming | I have some confusion about what to do with DocImpact bugs - | 13:07 |
| annegentle | sld: always need more consistency work | 13:07 |
| annegentle | dianefleming: sure | 13:07 |
| dianefleming | do we have an official process? | 13:07 |
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| annegentle | dianefleming: yep, here: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/HowTo#Using_the_DocImpact_Flag_in_a_Commit_Message | 13:07 |
| annegentle | I thought grizzly was a bear of a release. Ha. Kidding. | 13:08 |
| dianefleming | Is there a way we could automate the creation of doc bugs from dev bugs? Once someone flags a bug as DocImpact, could a doc bug be autogenerated? | 13:08 |
| dianefleming | that would save a step | 13:08 |
| sld | lol annegentle | 13:08 |
| annegentle | dianefleming: man that would be great. I bet the Launchpad API has something? | 13:09 |
| ladquin | hahah :P | 13:09 |
| dianefleming | yeah, because the current process is extra work - | 13:09 |
| annegentle | dianefleming: yeah it's very manual | 13:09 |
| annegentle | dianefleming: and Tom (fifieldt) does it all more or less | 13:09 |
| sld | I can look at the doc bug autogeneration with tom... ;-) | 13:10 |
| annegentle | I'll take an action item to ask ttx or the -infra team if they have ideas | 13:10 |
| dianefleming | awesome! | 13:10 |
| annegentle | sld: that would be great too! | 13:10 |
| annegentle | #action: annegentle to ask ttx and -infra folks about DocImpact automation | 13:10 |
| nickchase | There is definitely an API to create a bug, so hopefully they should be able to do that. | 13:10 |
| dianefleming | another issue I have is, once a new release is cut, I am not sure which bugs should be backported to earlier release | 13:10 |
| annegentle | It would also be nice to stop cluttering up our mailing list with DocImpact | 13:10 |
| ladquin | +1 to that | 13:11 |
| annegentle | dianefleming: right now, nearly all patches should be backported because nothing affects "only havanah" right now | 13:11 |
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| annegentle | dianefleming: at least, not that I've seen yet. | 13:11 |
| dianefleming | is there a way to have a bug target more than one release? | 13:11 |
| dianefleming | well, some docs aren't release-specific - how do we handle those? | 13:12 |
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| annegentle | dianefleming: not that I know of, it means 2 patches in a single bug. The "Fix Released" automation doesn't care what branch a patch is on | 13:12 |
| dianefleming | or the doc spans a few releases | 13:12 |
| dianefleming | i guess what i'm saying is, is there a way to indicate in the bug that it applies to multiple releases? so that we know to backport it? | 13:12 |
| annegentle | dianefleming: ok, then I suppose I mostly care about ones that are asked on the comments | 13:12 |
| dianefleming | ok | 13:13 |
| annegentle | dianefleming: no, not that I know of... we used review comments to request backports previously | 13:13 |
| annegentle | dianefleming: and it's a judgement call | 13:13 |
| sld | dianefleming: might be able to do that where you click on "also affects distribution" or "also affects project" on the bug page itself. | 13:13 |
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| dianefleming | okay - | 13:13 |
| annegentle | okay, I'll move along | 13:14 |
| annegentle | #topic Doc titles consistency work | 13:14 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Doc titles consistency work (Meeting topic: docwebteam)" | 13:14 | |
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| annegentle | dianefleming has a series of patches to get consistency in the titles across the docs | 13:14 |
| annegentle | this has been a huge job | 13:14 |
| annegentle | well, huge, er, tedious? | 13:15 |
| dianefleming | ha - a little of both | 13:15 |
| dianefleming | it took awhile to figure a few things out - the actual work is just tedious | 13:15 |
| dianefleming | but i'm almost done | 13:15 |
| annegentle | yeah. The bugs have the title changes, such as https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+bug/1178388 | 13:15 |
| uvirtbot` | Launchpad bug 1178388 in openstack-manuals "openstack-manuals - update book titles for consistency: DEVELOPER GUIDES (specs)" [Medium,Fix released] | 13:15 |
| annegentle | #info Titles changing for consistency, review the patches | 13:16 |
| annegentle | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+bug/1178388 | 13:16 |
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| dianefleming | yes, that bug links to a bunch of changes - each one needs to be reviewed separately, since they are all in different projects | 13:16 |
| annegentle | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/dashboard/2448 | 13:16 |
| annegentle | yeah I think that link ^^ shows a lot of them together | 13:17 |
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| annegentle | any questions on the title consistencies? | 13:17 |
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| annegentle | honestly the install guides were the toughest, https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+bug/1177075 | 13:17 |
| uvirtbot` | Launchpad bug 1177075 in openstack-manuals "openstack-manuals - update book titles for consistency: INSTALLATION GUIDES" [Medium,Fix released] | 13:17 |
| annegentle | I'm still working on a patch that makes basic and advanced more clear | 13:18 |
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| annegentle | though install needs the deepest detanglement | 13:18 |
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| dianefleming | yes - | 13:18 |
| annegentle | hey koolhead17 | 13:18 |
| sld | I can possibly help with the install docs, since I do a lot of that. ;-) | 13:18 |
| annegentle | sld: that would be awesome. I have a call this week with Cisco writers as well to help out | 13:19 |
| koolhead17 | sld, would love to see you | 13:19 |
| koolhead17 | hey annashen | 13:19 |
| koolhead17 | annegentle, | 13:19 |
| annegentle | sld: it's tough to know how to coordinate, honestly, but we have to try' | 13:19 |
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| annegentle | sld: let's meet this week, k? | 13:19 |
| annegentle | #action annegentle to set up meeting with sld to talk about install docs | 13:19 |
| sld | sounds good. | 13:19 |
| annegentle | #topic API site navigation and versions | 13:19 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "API site navigation and versions (Meeting topic: docwebteam)" | 13:19 | |
| annegentle | Great feedback on the new navigation for the API reference page -- and the version numbers are helpful too. | 13:20 |
| annegentle | Nice work!! | 13:20 |
| dianefleming | cool! | 13:20 |
| ladquin | navigation is awesome | 13:20 |
| annegentle | dianefleming rocked it | 13:20 |
| dianefleming | thanks!! and thanks to david cramer | 13:21 |
| annegentle | #info API reference page has version numbers and navigation | 13:21 |
| annegentle | #link http://api.openstack.org/api-ref.html | 13:21 |
| annegentle | yes, thanks to dwramer too | 13:21 |
| annegentle | er. He's usually dwcramer? Anywho. | 13:21 |
| ladquin | yes :) | 13:21 |
| sld | awesome page... GJ....just bookmarked it. | 13:21 |
| annegentle | The mailing list feedback was positive and Gabriel Hurley likes it. | 13:21 |
| dianefleming | gabriel has good taste | 13:22 |
| dianefleming | ha | 13:22 |
| annegentle | dianefleming also uncovered a bug with the way the api-specs.html page was getting overwritten. | 13:22 |
| annegentle | :) | 13:22 |
| annegentle | Okay, on to configuration reference info! Reference info abounds. | 13:22 |
| annegentle | #topic Auto-generated configuration reference tables | 13:22 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Auto-generated configuration reference tables (Meeting topic: docwebteam)" | 13:22 | |
| annegentle | There are several patches with newly-created configuration tables such as https://review.openstack.org/#/c/28903/ | 13:23 |
| annegentle | Basically sld and Tom have been busy automators! | 13:23 |
| annegentle | Chime in on the mailing list (or here is fine too) if you have questions or input | 13:23 |
| annegentle | I still want a walkthrough on where the strings come from so that I can patch the help strings. | 13:23 |
| annegentle | Tom said he can do that, or maybe sld you and I can walk through it when we meet | 13:24 |
| sld | yep | 13:24 |
| annegentle | The mappings (groupings) are set with https://github.com/fifieldt/autogenerate-config-docs/tree/master/flagmappings | 13:24 |
| annegentle | That's what gives you each table | 13:24 |
| annegentle | After we have a good sense that the tables are complete, we'll incorporate them into references | 13:25 |
| sld | well, those are partly done manually still, but a good part of it is automated... | 13:25 |
| annegentle | sld: yeah, the .flagmappings are maintained by hand | 13:25 |
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| annegentle | one thing I wondered was, should the auto-gen code live in Oslo? | 13:25 |
| annegentle | is it worthwhile to ask Mark if that's a good location for it? | 13:25 |
| annegentle | or, does it belong in the docs repo | 13:26 |
| annegentle | openstack-manuals/tools | 13:26 |
| sld | i'm thinking the docs repo would be better ... at least when it is done.. since the goal is to update documentation with it. | 13:26 |
| annegentle | #info Automated configuration information will be pulled from each project | 13:26 |
| annegentle | sld: yep, makes sense then | 13:26 |
| annegentle | Another thought is that we'll have to ensure translations can get picked up as well | 13:27 |
| annegentle | for example, I saw that glance has .po files with the help text in them already | 13:27 |
| sld | interesting. | 13:27 |
| annegentle | (descriptions only would be candidate for translation, of course) | 13:27 |
| sld | yeah | 13:27 |
| annegentle | I'll post to the mailing list with any other thoughts I come up with | 13:28 |
| sld | k | 13:28 |
| annegentle | which naturally leads to the next topic... | 13:28 |
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| annegentle | # Restructure of docs | 13:28 |
| annegentle | #topic Restructure of docs | 13:28 |
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| annegentle | I mean :) | 13:28 |
| annegentle | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+spec/restructure-documentation | 13:28 |
| annegentle | So we have a blueprint | 13:29 |
| annegentle | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Blueprint-restructure-documentation | 13:29 |
| annegentle | and we have a few people working on parts of it that I wanted to let people know about. | 13:29 |
| annegentle | 1. dianefleming is working on User Guide, API Reference | 13:29 |
| dianefleming | and api specifications (formerly known as api dev guides) | 13:30 |
| annegentle | 2. sld and fifieldt are working on the definitive list of config options | 13:30 |
| annegentle | dianefleming: yep | 13:30 |
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| annegentle | but that also points out, I don't think the spec for the blueprint covers everything, Tom put it together as a starting point, and we need many many more details | 13:31 |
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| annegentle | 3. I'm meeting with a few people this week about install | 13:31 |
| dianefleming | i agree - i'd like to update it with some details - is that okay? or do I need to clear it with someone? | 13:31 |
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| sld | go for it. | 13:31 |
| sld | i plan to do the same. | 13:31 |
| annegentle | 3. nickchase is doing a content analysis of the "Admin Manuals" | 13:31 |
| annegentle | dianefleming: yes, go for it, let's make that wiki page the place for our notes | 13:31 |
| dianefleming | awesome - thx | 13:32 |
| annegentle | er that should have been 4. for nickchase :) | 13:32 |
| nickchase | :) | 13:32 |
| annegentle | The Operations Guide is undergoing an O'Reilly review to hopefully publish through their channels, we're in the planning phase for that. | 13:32 |
| koolhead17 | annashen, w00000t | 13:32 |
| annegentle | And I spoke to an architect yesterday who would like to work on the architecture half of that document as well. | 13:32 |
| koolhead17 | annegentle, w00t | 13:32 |
| koolhead17 | awesome news | 13:33 |
| annegentle | But - it does mean we can only link to content in the Operations Guide (not xi:include it) | 13:33 |
| annegentle | koolhead17: early stages, don't tweet it, it's not a done deal. | 13:33 |
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| annegentle | It's not a secret either, just not fully baked. | 13:33 |
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| koolhead17 | annegentle, its just awesome!! :) | 13:34 |
| annegentle | So, with all that knowledge, let's keep doing the What goes where? exercises to refactor! | 13:34 |
| annegentle | I don't really have anyone who wants to wrangle the "Developing OpenStack" content, but that's okay. | 13:34 |
| sld | what does that entail? | 13:35 |
| annegentle | my priorities would be the install/config, user guide, etc. | 13:35 |
| dianefleming | "developing OpenStack" - that's the Python book, right? | 13:35 |
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| annegentle | sld: The "Developing OpenStack" content is all in RST in the separate project repos. Publishes to http://docs.openstack.org/developer/ | 13:35 |
| koolhead17 | annegentle, are we writing OS bible? | 13:35 |
| annegentle | but has no overarching organization | 13:35 |
| annegentle | koolhead17: heh | 13:35 |
| annegentle | dianefleming: I don't know if it'll ever be a "book" | 13:36 |
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| dianefleming | yeah - i think it needs a good edit - | 13:36 |
| annegentle | boy howdy, yeah it does | 13:37 |
| dianefleming | some of the code doesn't work - i can take that specific book on to test it | 13:37 |
| dianefleming | and edit it | 13:37 |
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| annegentle | it's a ton of files across a bunch of repos, but might be a good cleanup effort. | 13:37 |
| annegentle | it is spring afterall, time for clean up :) | 13:37 |
| dianefleming | you can give me that developer stuff - | 13:37 |
| dianefleming | the python book and the RST stuff | 13:37 |
| sld | I can consolidate it all.... | 13:37 |
| sld | ok, n/m ... too late ;) | 13:38 |
| annegentle | hee | 13:38 |
| annegentle | I like it when two people want a task :) | 13:38 |
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| annegentle | the three of us could meet outside of this meeting to see what it would entaile | 13:38 |
| annegentle | entail | 13:38 |
| dianefleming | ha haha - i guess i haven't had my coffee yet | 13:38 |
| annegentle | though really, the devs like to keep it their own, ya know? I've done patches that don't get accepted, etc. | 13:39 |
| annegentle | so I'd rather prioritize in "our" realm? | 13:39 |
| dianefleming | let's you and I talk about it and see how to proceed? | 13:39 |
| sld | yeah | 13:39 |
| annegentle | cool | 13:39 |
| sld | yea = keep things in this area. | 13:39 |
| annegentle | ok, any questions on refactor? | 13:39 |
| sld | nope | 13:39 |
| * koolhead17 loves title "OpenStack Bible" | 13:39 | |
| annegentle | #topic open discussion | 13:39 |
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| annegentle | We didn't talk about translation this week but I think the work is still going on. | 13:40 |
| dianefleming | ay yi yi | 13:40 |
| annegentle | and we have a Japanese translator asking good Qs on the list. | 13:40 |
| annegentle | I'm going on a field trip to a local farm today so I'll be away for most of the "day" but back online later. | 13:41 |
| annegentle | Third graders are fun. Need coffee. :) | 13:42 |
| ladquin | quick comment about bug 1178343 | 13:42 |
| uvirtbot` | Launchpad bug 1178343 in openstack-manuals "Folsom doc links are difficult to guess (and get to through link nav)" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1178343 | 13:42 |
| ladquin | Sorry I didn't update this patch, but wanted to maybe take advantage of the meeting time to ask you: | 13:42 |
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| annegentle | ladquin: oh yeah | 13:42 |
| ladquin | I agree with Lorin's comments on consistency, but also one reason I like this layout is because it makes it very visibly clear you're not browsing a trunk doc page, but.. maybe that's just me. | 13:42 |
| annegentle | ladquin: oh I see. Yeah the visual difference makes you know "we're not in Kansas anymore" | 13:42 |
| ladquin | If you all prefer the current layout, I'll amend the patch now | 13:42 |
| ladquin | ha, exactly | 13:43 |
| annegentle | ladquin: I was thinking that a long, comprehensive listing, also indicates you're on a "special" one off page? | 13:43 |
| annegentle | ladquin: by the time you like all the admin guides and isntall guides it'll look different :) | 13:44 |
| annegentle | ladquin: but I was just happy you patched it! | 13:44 |
| ladquin | annegentle, like the one for trunk? (is it long?) | 13:44 |
| ladquin | so... shall I just use the current layout? | 13:45 |
| annegentle | ladquin: there isn't a page like this yet... with all folsom books linked from it | 13:45 |
| annegentle | ladquin: so you'd basically take the /run/ and /install/ pages and concatenate them | 13:45 |
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| annegentle | ladquin: yeah I think so... | 13:45 |
| ladquin | ok, will amend the patch and you can all review it | 13:45 |
| annegentle | ladquin: thanks a bunch | 13:46 |
| ladquin | np! | 13:46 |
| annegentle | Ok, I need to scurry to get on the bus to the farm. :) | 13:46 |
| annegentle | Thanks all for attending, and talk more soon! | 13:47 |
| annegentle | #endmeeting | 13:47 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue May 14 13:47:09 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 13:47 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docwebteam/2013/docwebteam.2013-05-14-13.02.html | 13:47 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docwebteam/2013/docwebteam.2013-05-14-13.02.txt | 13:47 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docwebteam/2013/docwebteam.2013-05-14-13.02.log.html | 13:47 |
| ladquin | thank you | 13:47 |
| nickchase | Thanks! | 13:47 |
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| n0ano | #startmeeting scheduler | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue May 14 15:00:29 2013 UTC. The chair is n0ano. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'scheduler' | 15:00 |
| rerngvit | hello all | 15:00 |
| n0ano | Show of hands, anyone here for the scheduler meeting? | 15:00 |
| n0ano | o/ | 15:00 |
| rerngvit | :) | 15:00 |
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| n0ano | Hmmm, rerngvit so far it looks like it's just you & I :-) | 15:01 |
| rerngvit | oh seems to be a busy day for everyone else | 15:02 |
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| n0ano | I moved this weekend and only got internet back about 30 min ago | 15:02 |
| rerngvit | oh lucky you. | 15:02 |
| jgallard | hi | 15:03 |
| n0ano | you better smile when you say that :-) | 15:03 |
| rerngvit | :) | 15:03 |
| rerngvit | I did now | 15:03 |
| rerngvit | ok more people, cool | 15:03 |
| n0ano | I only have half my machines up and I'll be routing cables for a week. | 15:03 |
| rerngvit | half of your machines? Are you running a data center at home? :) | 15:04 |
| n0ano | As I remember, we left off at `the future of the scheudler' and seemed to cover that pretty well | 15:04 |
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| rerngvit | yeah, we were going through the list | 15:04 |
| n0ano | we only have ntework bandwidth aware scheduling & ensembles to do a first pass over | 15:04 |
| n0ano | unfortunately, I don't think the people involved in those two areas are here to day yet. | 15:04 |
| rerngvit | what should we do then? | 15:05 |
| jgallard | :/ | 15:05 |
| jgallard | perhaps we can wait few minutes more? | 15:05 |
| rerngvit | ok agree. | 15:05 |
| n0ano | well, if there's not burning issues, I'm willing to wait a few and then defer to next week. | 15:05 |
| n0ano | My internet should be better so I can send out a proper meeting notice then also | 15:06 |
| jgallard | sounds good to me | 15:06 |
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| rerngvit | sound good to me as well | 15:07 |
| alaski | I'm here, but distracted with other things | 15:07 |
| n0ano | OK, if there's no objections let's close for today (I'll take the blame for not sending out a notice) and we'll try to do better next week. | 15:08 |
| jgallard | n0ano, ok for me | 15:08 |
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| rerngvit | ok, but you should not take any blame, we made a schedule :) | 15:09 |
| jgallard | yes, no blame at all :) | 15:09 |
| alaski | works for me. I just want to mention that I just posted https://review.openstack.org/#/c/29091/ as an indication of where I'm thinking the scheduler can be called from when it's a queryable entity. | 15:09 |
| alaski | still WIP | 15:09 |
| n0ano | alaski, aah, the silent partner, OK let's try again next week, we should do better. | 15:10 |
| n0ano | #endmeeting | 15:10 |
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| dolphm | o/ | 17:59 |
| ayoung | #topic https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/KeystoneMeeting#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 17:59 |
| ayoung | KEYSTONE! | 18:00 |
| bknudson | hi | 18:00 |
| henrynash | hi all | 18:00 |
| rkanade | Hi all | 18:00 |
| dolphm | gyee: o/ | 18:00 |
| henrynash | who is that guy "all"…he's popular | 18:00 |
| stevemar | hello all | 18:00 |
| gyee | \0 | 18:00 |
| fabio | hi | 18:01 |
| rkanade | i am Rohan Kanade :0 | 18:01 |
| nachi__ | hi | 18:01 |
| dolphm | rkanade: welcome | 18:01 |
| asgreene | hello | 18:01 |
| dolphm | #startmeeting keystone | 18:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue May 14 18:01:19 2013 UTC. The chair is dolphm. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:01 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'keystone' | 18:01 |
| ayoung | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/KeystoneMeeting#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 18:01 |
| dolphm | the agenda is giant today | 18:01 |
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| bknudson | let's just talk about ldap. | 18:01 |
| dolphm | and sort of a mess | 18:01 |
| ayoung | dolphm, yeah, that is my doing. I girue I would make people aware of those isues, not expecting them to be resolved | 18:01 |
| ayoung | no, we can't just talk about LDAP | 18:02 |
| dolphm | sure we can ;) | 18:02 |
| dolphm | but first | 18:02 |
| rkanade | Can we get some feedback on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/25517 | 18:02 |
| gyee | wow, dolphm, I forgot to add the pluggable token management to the agenda | 18:02 |
| ayoung | there is a lot going on, and we need core to be engaged across the board | 18:02 |
| dolphm | #topic Havana milestone 1 | 18:02 |
| gyee | I posted the code yesterday | 18:02 |
| dolphm | #link https://launchpad.net/keystone/+milestone/havana-1 | 18:02 |
| dolphm | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Havana_Release_Schedule | 18:02 |
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| dolphm | just an announcement/reminder- havana-m1 is about two weeks out, if you don't think a bp will make it, or are working on a bp should be targeted to m1, let me know | 18:03 |
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| ayoung | dolphm, so the anony binding is the riks issue there, since it isn't started | 18:03 |
| bknudson | and I think topolino is on vacation? | 18:03 |
| dolphm | i believe the milestone will be forked on may 28th | 18:03 |
| stevemar | bknudson: yep, he is | 18:03 |
| dolphm | #topic High priority issues? | 18:03 |
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| dolphm | anything not on the agenda already? | 18:04 |
| ayoung | bknudson, the actual impl is pretty small, can someone else from IBM pick it up? | 18:04 |
| dolphm | ayoung: noted | 18:04 |
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| bknudson | topol is the one with the minions. cat's away kind of thing. | 18:04 |
| dolphm | and no topol present | 18:04 |
| ayoung | and sahdev is gone, too | 18:04 |
| dolphm | i also remember it being a very simple bp | 18:04 |
| dolphm | thereotically | 18:04 |
| bknudson | it should be like 10 lines of code. | 18:04 |
| ayoung | dolphm, for anonymous, yeah, the one thing I asked is that instead of deducing anonymous, he make it an explicit enumeration value...I can take that one | 18:05 |
| bknudson | I hate to promise to do something and then find I'm too busy, but I think I could pick it up. | 18:05 |
| ayoung | bknudson, do you have LDAP exp? | 18:05 |
| bknudson | ayoung: I've got some LDAP exp. Worked on IBM's server for a few years. | 18:05 |
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| ayoung | if you take it, I can help you. | 18:05 |
| dolphm | bknudson: ayoung: first one to code review wins | 18:05 |
| bknudson | ok, I'll put it on my list. | 18:05 |
| gyee | which one? | 18:05 |
| bknudson | I seem to be better about creating work than finishing it. | 18:06 |
| dolphm | bp keystone-ldap-anonymous-binding | 18:06 |
| dolphm | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/keystone/+spec/keystone-ldap-anonymous-binding | 18:06 |
| gyee | yeah, should be easy | 18:06 |
| ayoung | token flush is under review. the one thing that might mitigate is if we get some agreement on the revoked token table | 18:07 |
| dolphm | bknudson: it'd be tough to beat ayoung's stream of consciousness blueprinting ;) | 18:07 |
| ayoung | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/28859/ | 18:07 |
| bknudson | I tend to report bugs. | 18:07 |
| dolphm | #topic High priority code reviews | 18:07 |
| dolphm | bknudson: nothing wrong with that! | 18:07 |
| gyee | dolphm, pluggable token management | 18:07 |
| rkanade | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/25517 | 18:08 |
| dolphm | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/29021/ | 18:08 |
| dolphm | gyee: ^ | 18:08 |
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| gyee | yeah, 1 KLOC worth of shit | 18:08 |
| ayoung | rkanade, I'll look after the meeting, promise | 18:08 |
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| ayoung | #action ayoung to review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/29021/ right after meeting | 18:09 |
| rkanade | thanks adam :) | 18:09 |
| henrynash | gyee: excellent progress on this…I'll go through it in detail | 18:09 |
| ayoung | there it is in the notes! | 18:09 |
| dolphm | obviously code reviews for/blocking bp's have highest priority, so besides gyee's that also includes: | 18:09 |
| dolphm | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/28133/ | 18:09 |
| bknudson | we've got competing fixes for the atomic problem... jay pipes had one too, I think. | 18:09 |
| dolphm | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/27881/ | 18:09 |
| dolphm | bknudson: have links to those? | 18:09 |
| rkanade | Jay pipes review for atomic issue doesnt work | 18:09 |
| dolphm | rkanade: link to review? | 18:10 |
| rkanade | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/27507/1 | 18:10 |
| bknudson | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/27507/ | 18:10 |
| rkanade | mentioned the issue on that review | 18:10 |
| bknudson | jay pipes is abandoned. | 18:10 |
| gyee | code review Tuesday, keep'em coming :) | 18:10 |
| ayoung | rkanade, aside from "user create needs to be atomic" what bug is this really fixing? | 18:10 |
| dolphm | bknudson: not intentionally though | 18:10 |
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| ayoung | don't have to answer here, but update the bug report with an actualy "this is causing problem blah..." | 18:11 |
| rkanade | it is fixing other 4 apis too 1. update_user_project 2. delete_domain 3. delete_project 4. delete_user | 18:11 |
| dolphm | what is update_user_project? | 18:12 |
| ayoung | because, while I am sympathetic, LDAP is not going to play well. And I don't think it is smart to treat sql as a more equal backend | 18:12 |
| rkanade | it is an api call, it needs to be atomic | 18:12 |
| dolphm | ayoung: +1 | 18:12 |
| rkanade | all these are api calls which need to be atomic | 18:12 |
| ayoung | rkanade, understand, I am propsing that we split identity into 3 parts | 18:12 |
| ayoung | and so domains, users, and projects/roles might all be in 3 separate backends | 18:13 |
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| ayoung | so, kiss your integrity constriants goodbye | 18:13 |
| henrynash | ayoung: +1 | 18:13 |
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| gyee | nice | 18:13 |
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| rkanade | 3 sql backend instances ? | 18:13 |
| ayoung | gyee, if you quote me, I want full attribution | 18:13 |
| ayoung | rkanade, nope | 18:13 |
| ayoung | rkanade, I would see domains in a flat file, idenitity in LDAP, and projects in SQL | 18:14 |
| ayoung | being them most common impl down the road | 18:14 |
| rkanade | So no sql backend for identity ? | 18:14 |
| asgreene | why split up into multiple stores before the single store models work? | 18:14 |
| henrynash | ayoung: that's essentially what the bp: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/keystone/+spec/auth-domain-architecture | 18:14 |
| ayoung | rkanade, it will be there, but don't expect the calls to be atomic across domains, idenityt, and projects | 18:15 |
| henrynash | ayoung: except that I don't necessarily agree that domains will be a flat file | 18:15 |
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| rkanade | ok, but that wont fix the atomicity issue right ? | 18:15 |
| ayoung | henrynash, sure | 18:15 |
| ayoung | rkanade, so long as it is atomic within a single backend, I am OK with it...but I roles assignments are going to be separate from users | 18:16 |
| ayoung | update_user_project can't be atomic | 18:16 |
| rkanade | i see | 18:16 |
| ayoung | delete_user probabny not either | 18:16 |
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| ayoung | delete_domain will span 3 backends | 18:16 |
| ayoung | maybe | 18:16 |
| henrynash | asgreene: it's an issue of whether identity needs to be defined and tested…ie. where authentication and authorisation needs to take place….and it may well be in non-openstack systems | 18:16 |
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| bknudson | atomicity will still be problem, but the fix won't be "put it in a single db transaction" | 18:16 |
| rkanade | ok, i can fix issue for single backend for now , is the session code in the review alright? | 18:17 |
| ayoung | henrynash, to your point, domains will have multiple backends. I just like the flat file cuz I'm a control freak | 18:17 |
| ayoung | and not a "flat" file, but kindof textured and bumpy and json like | 18:17 |
| henrynash | bknudson: agreed…we need to make a s/w resilient and expectant to find integrity issues | 18:17 |
| rkanade | @bknudson : can you provide some alternative ? | 18:17 |
| dolphm | bknudson: +1 | 18:17 |
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| henrynash | ayoung: :-) | 18:17 |
| dolphm | ayoung: sounds like yaml | 18:18 |
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| bknudson | rkanade: I don't think there's an obvious fix for it. | 18:18 |
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| dolphm | bknudson: +1 | 18:18 |
| ayoung | dolphm, btw, I'll communicate with jamielennox tonight, and we should have an updated token flush for tomorrow | 18:18 |
| dolphm | ayoung: awesome, thanks | 18:18 |
| dolphm | ayoung: i'm looking forward to that | 18:18 |
| rkanade | any specific reason why db transactions arent ok? | 18:18 |
| ayoung | dolphm, maybe. Guess it is time to learn "yet another..." | 18:18 |
| gyee | yay, token flush! | 18:19 |
| ayoung | rkanade, they are fine, just they can't span multiple backends | 18:19 |
| ayoung | rkanade, lets talk after this, and I can help you scope in the patch, ok? | 18:19 |
| rkanade | ok sure | 18:19 |
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| ayoung | dolphm, I'd like to target "split crednetials" for H1 | 18:19 |
| ayoung | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/28372/ | 18:20 |
| dolphm | is there a bp? | 18:20 |
| gyee | speaking of credentials, when are we migrating ec2_credential table over to credential? | 18:20 |
| ayoung | should be fairly close. | 18:20 |
| gyee | no reason to keep both | 18:20 |
| ayoung | dolphm, it is linked to a larger BP, but not one that would be completed for H1, so nevermind | 18:20 |
| dolphm | gyee: +1 | 18:20 |
| ayoung | gyee, +1 | 18:21 |
| ayoung | gyee, that might also help out with some of the issues we have with the ec2 middleware | 18:21 |
| dolphm | ayoung: like what? | 18:21 |
| gyee | dolphm, ayoung, should I file a bp and get it done? | 18:21 |
| dolphm | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/27563/ | 18:22 |
| henrynash | dolphm: how about: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/keystone/+spec/inherited-domain-roles | 18:22 |
| dolphm | gyee: that'd be great | 18:22 |
| henrynash | dolphm: I could get that done for H1 | 18:22 |
| ayoung | dolphm, thanks | 18:22 |
| ayoung | yeah waht are we doing about domains? | 18:22 |
| ayoung | er, regions | 18:23 |
| henrynash | dolphm: although we haven't actually approved it | 18:23 |
| dolphm | henrynash: let me know when you have an implementation, and if it looks like we can merge in h1, we'll bump it up? | 18:23 |
| henrynash | dolphm: ok | 18:23 |
| gyee | dolphm, what's the deal with this? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/27563/ | 18:23 |
| ayoung | aside from termie are we all agreed that jaypipes bp is correct? | 18:23 |
| dolphm | henrynash: direction is approved, just no spec or anything to approve the bp design | 18:23 |
| ayoung | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/keystone/+spec/first-class-regions | 18:23 |
| ayoung | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/keystone/+spec/first-class-regions | 18:23 |
| jaypipes | lol. | 18:24 |
| gyee | I hate to agree with termie, but I think he's onto something | 18:24 |
| dolphm | henrynash: spec == code review* | 18:24 |
| gyee | :) | 18:24 |
| * jaypipes had pretty much just given up on it all. | 18:24 | |
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| ayoung | he did write up a doc spec | 18:24 |
| henrynash | dolphm: ;-) | 18:24 |
| gyee | I like a general approach for endpoint lookups | 18:24 |
| gyee | an endpoint is just a url and a bunch a attributes | 18:24 |
| ayoung | is the "regions" abstraction general enough to cover all of the use cases we have? | 18:24 |
| ayoung | namely: what endpoints to link to a project, and so on? | 18:25 |
| gyee | we should be able to construct any kind of filters | 18:25 |
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| dolphm | ayoung: it sounded like it was general enough for the discussions we had in the regions session | 18:25 |
| gyee | just like LDAP filters | 18:25 |
| dolphm | jaypipes: since there's no impact on existing api's, i'm wondering if this should be an OS-REGION extension on top of v3 | 18:25 |
| ayoung | dolphm, yep, that was my take. | 18:25 |
| ayoung | dolphm, the one issue that has come up (and I think it covers) is for things that are not necessarily keystone concepts, like cells. | 18:26 |
| dolphm | jaypipes: and limit the implementation impact to it's own middleware | 18:26 |
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| jaypipes | dolphm: I don't see why it would be an extension... the concept is already in the existing API -- it's just not a first-class citizen. | 18:26 |
| dolphm | ayoung: i don't think it's intended to overlap with cells, afaik | 18:26 |
| dolphm | ayoung: just everyone's various interpretations of "regions" and availability zones | 18:27 |
| ayoung | dolphm, so, it was not intended to, but *could* it was the question | 18:27 |
| jaypipes | ayoung: cells are private to an implementation -- i.e. they are not discoverable,. | 18:27 |
| dolphm | jaypipes: termie will certainly be much more agreeable if it's a discrete extension | 18:27 |
| jaypipes | ayoung: in other words, a user can't ask that a resource be spun up in a cell. | 18:27 |
| ayoung | if we say that Regions is the abstraction for grouping resources, and ,if you ever need to expose something new, such as cells (in the future) I think there is a clear mapping | 18:27 |
| ayoung | jaypipes, not today. But what about tomorrow? | 18:28 |
| jaypipes | dolphm: extension of the service catalog or extension of the API in general? | 18:28 |
| dolphm | ayoung: tenants/projects are the abstraction for grouping resources | 18:28 |
| ayoung | dolphm, but not by locale | 18:28 |
| dolphm | jaypipes: of the api in general | 18:28 |
| jaypipes | ayoung: I'll pay you for that hamburger then. | 18:28 |
| ayoung | dolphm, I hear you, this is nova stuff, and not our abstractions | 18:28 |
| ayoung | jaypipes, you misunderstand | 18:28 |
| ayoung | I am saying that "yes, this abstraction is powerful enough" | 18:28 |
| jaypipes | dolphm: I'm fine putting it in an extension if that's what folks want, sure. | 18:29 |
| ayoung | so we *should* go with regions as designed. I don't think that was clear. | 18:29 |
| ayoung | jaypipes, it can't be an extension | 18:29 |
| jaypipes | ayoung: ah, gotcha | 18:29 |
| ayoung | it needs to be part of the service catalog | 18:29 |
| dolphm | ayoung: ? | 18:29 |
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| jaypipes | lol, when you guys figure that out, lemme know and I will code it up. ;) | 18:29 |
| ayoung | dolphm, regions are going to be how we group things in the service catalog | 18:29 |
| ayoung | jaypipes, this is when I go to bat for you and say "lets cook this" | 18:30 |
| dolphm | ayoung: sure, but that doesn't mean it needs to be in the catalog controller/driver | 18:30 |
| ayoung | dolphm, OK, I can see it as a separate back end...maybe, if I squint | 18:30 |
| dolphm | ayoung: then it should be just as easy to see it as an extension with it's own backend (please continue squinting) | 18:30 |
| fabio | Maybe there should be a Group concept like the one for users | 18:31 |
| gyee | ayoung, with the pluggable token management backend, you can have you own catalog if you want | 18:31 |
| gyee | just saying | 18:31 |
| dolphm | ayoung: there's a bunch of other reviews on the meeting agenda, any others your want to mention? | 18:31 |
| ayoung | dolphm, ok, so a related issue is: splitting migration back ends | 18:31 |
| ayoung | keeping it in the scoped o jaypipes work | 18:31 |
| ayoung | say he needs a DB backend | 18:31 |
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| ayoung | we shouldn't be oputting that in with the rest of the common sql code | 18:31 |
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| dolphm | currently db_sync will stand up tables for any/all extensions, i don't see an immediate reason to change that, although it'd be ncie | 18:32 |
| ayoung | so we need to make it the first backend that has its own revision repo... | 18:32 |
| dolphm | it's not a blocker | 18:32 |
| ayoung | dolphm, extensions should not be in core, otherwise, "extensions" means nothing | 18:32 |
| ayoung | but we already have the mech | 18:32 |
| gyee | ayoung, I think "extensions" is more significant to the API then impl | 18:33 |
| ayoung | dolphm, I think we need to be able to enumerate through the "active extensions" from the config file, and call db_syn on each one | 18:33 |
| ayoung | gyee, I'll link, one sec | 18:33 |
| bknudson | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Keystone/sql-migrate-extensions | 18:33 |
| ayoung | #link https://github.com/openstack/keystone/blob/master/keystone/cli.py#L51 | 18:34 |
| ayoung | so we call db_sync for each backend, even though they are all common code | 18:34 |
| ayoung | but we have no way for doing it for an 3rd party extension | 18:34 |
| bknudson | ayoung: so we'd need some way for extension to register db_sync. | 18:34 |
| ayoung | bknudson, right...so how about | 18:34 |
| ayoung | extensions = regions, oauth.... | 18:35 |
| ayoung | and then we pull that out of the config file and enumerate? | 18:35 |
| bknudson | extensions is a config option? it's not just they add middleware? | 18:35 |
| ayoung | [pipeline:public_api] | 18:36 |
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| bknudson | ok | 18:36 |
| ayoung | bknudson, it is done like that for now^^ | 18:36 |
| dolphm | ayoung: i'm just saying that's massive scope creep for this, considering we're way past that | 18:36 |
| ayoung | but not everything that is registered that way would end up getting a db_sync | 18:36 |
| dolphm | ayoung: nice to have yes, but not a blocker for this | 18:36 |
| ayoung | dolphm, no, this is fixing something we've messed up | 18:36 |
| ayoung | dolphm, oauth is going to have the same thing | 18:36 |
| dolphm | ayoung: right, but it's already broken | 18:37 |
| ayoung | it also would have been cleaner for trusts...I'm truying to learn from mistakes of the past | 18:37 |
| ayoung | so for all extensions, we need this | 18:37 |
| ayoung | we are making the rule "do it in an extension first" | 18:37 |
| ayoung | so this is out side of the bargain | 18:37 |
| ayoung | out->our | 18:37 |
| ayoung | dolphm, I can code it up...I'll take this, and jaypipes can consume it | 18:37 |
| gyee | it going to be messy, if I remove an extension from the pipeline, do I run db_sync to downgrade? | 18:38 |
| dolphm | ayoung: sure, but it's not fair to block his implementation if he gets there first | 18:38 |
| ayoung | gyee, you don't have to, but you can | 18:38 |
| dolphm | gyee: +1 | 18:38 |
| gyee | I think this is going to be extremely messy | 18:38 |
| dolphm | db_sync <backend-name> ? | 18:38 |
| dolphm | gyee: +1 | 18:38 |
| ayoung | gyee, there is actually already a mechanism in place for it, we just don't use it | 18:38 |
| ayoung | see the BP | 18:39 |
| gyee | how the deployers need to have knowledge of the backend | 18:39 |
| ayoung | just needs a unique repo patch | 18:39 |
| bknudson | is the repository path in the extension? | 18:39 |
| ayoung | gyee, no, they need to register it as an extension. we can have the rgions extension enabled by default if we decided | 18:39 |
| ayoung | bknudson, sort of | 18:39 |
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| ayoung | bknudson, it is in the DB table | 18:39 |
| ayoung | and the migrations themselves are then in the extension | 18:40 |
| dolphm | we don't even support multiple sql backends, much less this | 18:40 |
| bknudson | ayoung: yes, that's what I was asking. | 18:40 |
| ayoung | dolphm, we do support this already, for the most part | 18:40 |
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| ayoung | we just have only one migrtation scheme, in common | 18:40 |
| ayoung | but in the db: | 18:40 |
| ayoung | select * from migrate_version; | 18:40 |
| ayoung | keystone | /opt/stack/keystone/keystone/common/sql/migrate_repo | 22 | 18:40 |
| dolphm | ayoung: post a demo of two backends using separate sql connection strings, and an API call that consumes both | 18:41 |
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| ayoung | dolphm, this would be in a single backend. smaller use case | 18:41 |
| dolphm | (since this was on the agenda) | 18:41 |
| dolphm | #topic splitting migration back ends | 18:41 |
| ayoung | thanks | 18:42 |
| ayoung | dolphm, anyway, enough people have the context, I'll work with the people writing extensions to make it happen | 18:42 |
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| dolphm | ayoung: alright | 18:42 |
| dolphm | #topic IPv6 and eventlet | 18:42 |
| dolphm | bknudson: ? | 18:42 |
| rkanade | It is very late here in India, please give your comments on the review itself https://review.openstack.org/#/c/25517 . Thanks :) , cya all . | 18:43 |
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| dolphm | rkanade: o/ | 18:43 |
| ayoung | gnighht rkanade | 18:43 |
| bknudson | dolphm: I added this just to mention the bug report... | 18:43 |
| rkanade | gn | 18:43 |
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| bknudson | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/keystone/+bug/1178732 | 18:43 |
| uvirtbot` | Launchpad bug 1178732 in keystone "Eventlet dnspython monkey-patching problems" [Undecided,New] | 18:43 |
| ayoung | so we are back on an even keel with IPv6 and eventlet for gating, right? | 18:43 |
| dolphm | there's also: | 18:43 |
| dolphm | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/keystone/+bug/1176204 | 18:43 |
| uvirtbot` | Launchpad bug 1176204 in keystone "keystone ipv6 tests fail" [Undecided,Fix committed] | 18:43 |
| bknudson | I think what I'll go with is moving the wsgi.Server code to its own part | 18:43 |
| dolphm | bknudson: ayoung: what's the current status of all this? | 18:43 |
| ayoung | so jamielennox is working on something that might help, too | 18:44 |
| bknudson | Where we are now is that the tox.ini sets the env var for eventlet | 18:44 |
| bknudson | This is another change that we should be able to get rid of. | 18:44 |
| ayoung | jamielennox had posted code for reveiw, but it was too huge... | 18:44 |
| ayoung | it is now abandoned and he is reworking into smaller patches | 18:44 |
| ayoung | one goal, the main one, is to remove eventlet from the server test code, and use webtest | 18:45 |
| ayoung | let me find the link | 18:45 |
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| ayoung | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/28387/ | 18:45 |
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| ayoung | he has split the v2 and v3 tests out, but the main thing, the webtest one, is still being reworked | 18:46 |
| bknudson | the major problem was the tests, so changing to webtest would make it easier | 18:46 |
| bknudson | but I assume the keystone-all server still uses eventlet? | 18:46 |
| ayoung | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/keystone/+spec/extract-eventlet | 18:46 |
| ayoung | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/29049/ | 18:46 |
| dolphm | interesting approach | 18:46 |
| bknudson | do we use eventlet when run under apache? | 18:47 |
| dolphm | bknudson: i would assume so based on this patch | 18:47 |
| dolphm | bknudson: no | 18:47 |
| ayoung | bknudson, as much as possible, no | 18:47 |
| ayoung | most of the eventlet patching was moved into the startup code, and apache start up bypasses that | 18:47 |
| dolphm | nginx as well | 18:48 |
| bknudson | then I'm not sure what the blueprint is talking about with apache/nginx? | 18:48 |
| ayoung | https://github.com/openstack/keystone/blob/master/bin/keystone-all#L109 | 18:48 |
| ayoung | bknudson, trying to make sure we are testing what would actually be run in them, for one thing | 18:48 |
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| bknudson | so is the blueprint about changing keystone-all to not use eventlet, too? | 18:49 |
| ayoung | bknudson, no, the blueprint is to make the final changes to make the tests and client and middleware don't require it | 18:49 |
| dolphm | targetted bp to m2 | 18:49 |
| dolphm | targeted* | 18:50 |
| ayoung | dolphm, thanks | 18:50 |
| bknudson | ok, well, maybe I'll get my change in before that. | 18:50 |
| bknudson | I don't think it conflicts. | 18:50 |
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| ayoung | dolphm, so the test re-org is a *nice to have* not a need-to-have | 18:51 |
| ayoung | but it comes from jamielennox trying to separate out the eventlet code in the testing, and getting frustrated with the organic nature of the code | 18:51 |
| ayoung | I think the v3 one looks good, suspect that the v2 one is probably right, as well | 18:51 |
| ayoung | anyway, instead of it coming by fiat, everyone should look and provide feed back, with an eye to keeping the tests as maintainable as possible | 18:52 |
| ayoung | dolphm, can we talk Token table revocations list now? | 18:52 |
| dolphm | ayoung: is that on the agenda somewhere? | 18:53 |
| ayoung | dolphm, yep | 18:53 |
| ayoung | dolphm, right under "Atomic API " | 18:53 |
| dolphm | was hoping to get to notifications (but bknudson also disappeared) | 18:53 |
| bknudson | diasppeared? | 18:53 |
| dolphm | bknudson: er, maybe not | 18:53 |
| dolphm | bknudson: maybe my client was acting weird | 18:54 |
| dolphm | ayoung: i thought we talked about atomic stuff | 18:54 |
| dolphm | ayoung: pm me | 18:54 |
| ayoung | dolphm, so Token revocation is a real bug, and is stonewalled | 18:54 |
| dolphm | #topic Notifications | 18:54 |
| dwaite | is there a BP for revocations? | 18:54 |
| ayoung | dwaite, see the agenda, links to the reviews, and bps off of them | 18:55 |
| bknudson | we were wondering if you dolphm could use some help on the notifications, to speed it up | 18:55 |
| ayoung | dolphm, just need people to keep that process moving. termie objects, but I think we can't meet his ideals on this one\ | 18:55 |
| bknudson | I've got a guy on my team here ( lbragstad ) who could help out | 18:55 |
| dolphm | bknudson: what kind of help? | 18:55 |
| bknudson | dolphm: implement it. | 18:55 |
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| dolphm | i'd love to, but not sure if i can hit m1 | 18:56 |
| dolphm | bknudson: oh wait, i misread that | 18:56 |
| bknudson | dolphm: I think it's scheduled for m3, with his help could probably move up to m2. | 18:56 |
| dolphm | bknudson: you want him to implement it? | 18:56 |
| bknudson | dolphm: yes, have him implement it. | 18:56 |
| dolphm | bknudson: i don't have any issue with that | 18:56 |
| bknudson | dolphm: great! | 18:56 |
| dolphm | bknudson: i've only put a little thought into how i would implement, but haven't written any code | 18:57 |
| lbragstad | dolphm: awesome thanks! | 18:57 |
| bknudson | that was it for notifications. | 18:57 |
| ayoung | notifications are an argument to split project fro identity, too. | 18:57 |
| dolphm | bknudson: why i had notifications targetted to m3- it's not api-impacting, so that's just the latest it could possibly merge; i'd like it to depend on oslo.notify, which is still in progress | 18:57 |
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| dolphm | lbragstad: get caught up on oslo.notify! | 18:58 |
| dolphm | i haven't seen any blockers in those discussions for us | 18:58 |
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| lbragstad | dolphm: yep, I was working with a core from oslo on that for a while yesterday | 18:58 |
| dolphm | awesome | 18:58 |
| dolphm | lbragstad: keep me posted | 18:58 |
| ayoung | dolphm, last thing I'd like to hit is: gate support for MySQL and Postgres Unit tests | 18:59 |
| lbragstad | I guess the only question I had was if notify doesn't have a maintainer, does that effect us | 18:59 |
| dolphm | #topic gate support for MySQL and Postgres Unit tests | 18:59 |
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| dolphm | err eff | 18:59 |
| dolphm | 1 minute | 18:59 |
| ayoung | we can run the unit tests against the real DBS, we should be running that in the gate. Agreed? | 18:59 |
| ayoung | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/27878/ | 18:59 |
| ayoung | henrynash, gyee ? | 18:59 |
| dolphm | "unit" tests, no lol | 18:59 |
| gyee | ayoung, on it | 18:59 |
| dolphm | #endmeeting | 19:00 |
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| henrynash | ayoung: agreed…let me know how I can help | 19:00 |
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| ttx | o/ | 19:06 |
| fungi | however, meetbot is missing his cloak | 19:06 |
| clarkb | each bugday is the tuesday after a milestone and starts at 1600UTC so that we can go through them before this meeting | 19:06 |
| pleia2 | yay | 19:06 |
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| fungi | i think he came back in on a netsplit while services was still absent or something. want me to bounce the process? | 19:07 |
| jeblair | ah, so it may just not be able to set the topic | 19:07 |
| jeblair | fungi: nah, we'll just live without the topic changes for now | 19:07 |
| jeblair | and assume the logging commands are working | 19:07 |
| fungi | k | 19:07 |
| * fungi checks that | 19:07 | |
| pleia2 | my hope is that these bug days will become less needed and shorter as we get better at using the tracking day to day | 19:08 |
| clarkb | I have also got hpcloud az3 in the devstack-gate rotation using the new account. I will do az2 and az1 next over the course of today assuming things rotate out quick enough | 19:08 |
| clarkb | pleia2: ++ | 19:08 |
| mordred | ++ | 19:08 |
| fungi | meetbot seems to be logging to eavesdrop okay | 19:08 |
| jeblair | fungi: is our foundation meeting at 1600 utc? | 19:09 |
| fungi | jeblair: possibly. looking | 19:09 |
| fungi | oh, right normally yes | 19:10 |
| clarkb | we can shift the time as necessary. I threw something out there so that we can have this discussion :) | 19:10 |
| fungi | we meet tuesdays at 1600 utc (foundation staff) | 19:10 |
| clarkb | fungi: is 1700 to early then? | 19:10 |
| jeblair | maybe we could do it at 1700? that still gives us 2 hours | 19:10 |
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| clarkb | that works for me. I will update the wiki | 19:10 |
| fungi | clarkb: 1700 is fine by me | 19:11 |
| clarkb | we can continue post this meeting if we really need to but as pleia2 says hopefully we get good at it and that isn't necessary :) | 19:11 |
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| jeblair | clarkb: testr? | 19:11 |
| jeblair | "clarkb to ping markmc and sdague about move to testr" | 19:12 |
| clarkb | I filed https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-keystoneclient/+bug/1177924 to track testr adoption across the projects that haven't switched | 19:12 |
| uvirtbot` | Launchpad bug 1177924 in python-keystoneclient "Use testr instead of nose as the unittest runner." [Undecided,In progress] | 19:12 |
| clarkb | had a quick chat with sdague and realized he probably isn't the best person to drive this. ttx mentioned getting it targeted to a milestone so I have been trying to ping people involved with those projects to drum up support | 19:13 |
| clarkb | which has started the ball rolling | 19:13 |
| jeblair | clarkb: cool; it looks like there are reviews listed too | 19:14 |
| clarkb | yup. I have resurrected mordred's python-keystoneclient change and asalkeld_ is doing ceilometer | 19:14 |
| clarkb | oh and sbaker is doing heatclient | 19:14 |
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| jeblair | clarkb: anything else re testr? | 19:16 |
| clarkb | I don't think so. basically going to continue arguing for it so that we can get interest and effort | 19:16 |
| jeblair | "fungi open a bug about replacing mirror26 and assign it to himself" | 19:16 |
| clarkb | and support as necessary | 19:16 |
| fungi | bug opened, worked and closed | 19:16 |
| jeblair | woow | 19:16 |
| fungi | mirror26 now runs centos and the old oneiric one is gone | 19:17 |
| jeblair | i deleted lists and eavesdrop | 19:17 |
| jeblair | i also moved paste and planet to new servers | 19:17 |
| jeblair | mordred did inform the tc of current testing plans | 19:17 |
| jeblair | i saw him do it | 19:17 |
| jeblair | mordred: any yelling? | 19:17 |
| fungi | righteous | 19:17 |
| clarkb | I don't remember any | 19:18 |
| jeblair | fungi open bug about spinning up new precise slaves, then do it | 19:18 |
| jeblair | that happened. | 19:18 |
| clarkb | he did it twice ;) | 19:18 |
| jeblair | twice, even, for good measure | 19:18 |
| fungi | yeah | 19:18 |
| fungi | collateral damage aside | 19:18 |
| fungi | all done | 19:18 |
| fungi | and the right quantal slaves are deleted now | 19:18 |
| jeblair | "clarkb to get hpcloud az3 sorted out" | 19:18 |
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| fungi | (not the quantal slaves which were named precise[0-9]+) | 19:19 |
| clarkb | that seems to be mostly sorted. trying to pay attention to test results to make sure az3 isn't failing devstack gate tests for weird reasons | 19:19 |
| jeblair | clarkb: cool. probably good to double check the runtime too | 19:19 |
| clarkb | yup | 19:19 |
| jeblair | "fungi add change to disable nova py26 tests for folsom" | 19:19 |
| fungi | that was done when the remaining jobs were changed over to centos6 node labels | 19:20 |
| jeblair | annegentle: ping | 19:20 |
| fungi | and that bug is wrapped up and closed out now as well | 19:20 |
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| jeblair | cool. i think there was some overlap with agenda items and items from last meeting | 19:21 |
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| jeblair | so i think we're nominally ready to skip to the docs topics | 19:21 |
| jeblair | though i think clarkb wanted annegentle here for those... | 19:21 |
| clarkb | yeah particularly the for the one about publishing old docs | 19:21 |
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| clarkb | basically do we want to publish the docs based on the eol tags? or just not bother? | 19:22 |
| jeblair | clarkb: do we have a quorum for the maven topic? | 19:22 |
| clarkb | jeblair: I think so | 19:22 |
| jeblair | clarkb: yeah, good question for annegentle. :) | 19:22 |
| jeblair | #topic clouddocs-maven-plugin internalization | 19:23 |
| jeblair | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-ci/+bug/1082812 | 19:23 |
| uvirtbot` | Launchpad bug 1082812 in openstack-ci "Move rackspace/clouddocs-maven-plugin to openstack-dev/clouddocs-maven-plugin" [High,Triaged] | 19:23 |
| clarkb | so I am a horrible person and forget names, but do we want to make clouddocs-maven-plugin a stackforge project and have them drive most of the things or put it under the openstack-infra umbrella and make things go? | 19:24 |
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| jeblair | clarkb: openstack-infra i think. | 19:24 |
| jeblair | clarkb: is it a problem that https://github.com/rackspace/clouddocs-maven-plugin does not exist? | 19:24 |
| clarkb | jeblair: yes, I think that means it is currently a private repo | 19:25 |
| mordred | jeblair: sorry - got distracted - no yelling, they were fine with it | 19:25 |
| jeblair | i think it moved to https://github.com/rackerlabs/clouddocs-maven-plugin | 19:25 |
| clarkb | ah | 19:25 |
| jeblair | David Cramer authored a commit a day ago | 19:25 |
| jeblair | clarkb: i think it was david cramer we talked to. :) | 19:25 |
| clarkb | ok, in that case I can whip up a change to slurp it in and have dwcramer give us the go ahead | 19:26 |
| fungi | dcramer_ seems to be in here... the same? | 19:26 |
| clarkb | the other piece to that is publishing it to maven nexus, zaro made that sound easy so I am not too worried about it | 19:26 |
| jeblair | clarkb: my notes said that the release process would be: | 19:26 |
| jeblair | generate two commits (remove snapshot, inc+add snapshot) to pom.xml | 19:26 |
| jeblair | then tag the correct one after merging | 19:26 |
| jeblair | (inc == increment version number) | 19:26 |
| zaro | clarkb: theoretically | 19:26 |
| clarkb | yup then the tagging will kick off a maven nexus publish build | 19:27 |
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| clarkb | (it is worth noting that this release dance is one of the reasons Gerrit is trying Buck) | 19:27 |
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| jeblair | and all of this is probably very similar to what we should need to do for the gearman plugin | 19:27 |
| jeblair | clarkb: eot? | 19:28 |
| mordred | yes. teaching jenkins/gerrit about mvn release process - or teaching mvn about gerrit process is the game | 19:28 |
| clarkb | yup | 19:28 |
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| jeblair | #topic What can infra do to enable remote participation at the next Design Summit? | 19:29 |
| jeblair | reed: ping | 19:29 |
| reed | ping | 19:29 |
| reed | I can't play that game | 19:29 |
| reed | we have basically two issues for the next summit: | 19:29 |
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| reed | - we have never found a good technical solution for remote participation at the design sessions | 19:30 |
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| reed | - we only practiced IRC for meetings as a community | 19:30 |
| reed | I think we should have a way for the community to practice how to hold discussions across different places | 19:31 |
| reed | before I start the conversation online where I know people will suggest we use google hangout, i'd like to explore what the infra team can do | 19:31 |
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| reed | the main alternatives I see to hangout/skype are XMPP+jingle if we want video and mumble/murmur | 19:32 |
| clarkb | is the problem we are trying to solve general realtime collaboration or realtime collaboration specific to the summit because I think they are different | 19:32 |
| clarkb | *different problems | 19:32 |
| fungi | thinking about the summit design sessions, what goes on is mostly a three-way combination of voice discussion, slideshow presentations and etherpad note taking | 19:32 |
| reed | clarkb, the issue is specific to summit | 19:33 |
| clarkb | in the general case you can assume everyone is using the same set of tools, but in design sessions half of your attendance will be in one place and the other half will use the tools | 19:33 |
| reed | and to user group meetings, if you want | 19:33 |
| fungi | etherpad is already remotely joinable, so we basically need something to bridge the gap for voice and slideshows i think | 19:33 |
| jeblair | fungi: i don't think slideshows are that important. they should be discouraged for design summit sessions anyway. | 19:34 |
| clarkb | we could demand no slide decks to solve half that problem :) | 19:34 |
| clarkb | jeblair: jinx | 19:34 |
| mordred | jeblair: ++ | 19:34 |
| fungi | jeblair: granted, i agree with you on that | 19:34 |
| reed | fungi, faces would be a nice addition | 19:34 |
| russellb | or post slides somewhere you can download them ... | 19:34 |
| reed | slides can also be done in html :) | 19:34 |
| russellb | sure. | 19:34 |
| russellb | so it's the voice and video part. | 19:35 |
| russellb | asterisk can do it | 19:35 |
| ttx | russellb: you have a highlight on... XMPP ? | 19:35 |
| reed | russellb, SIP? | 19:35 |
| russellb | reed: SIP and XMPP at the same time, if you'd like | 19:35 |
| clarkb | does that place unreasonable requirements on the network at the conference center? they never seem to handle things well | 19:36 |
| reed | consider we'll be in Hong Kong, so networking can be challenging, too :) | 19:36 |
| jeblair | how about focusing on just audio -- i'm a little concerned about bandwidth and network reliability... | 19:36 |
| clarkb | jeblair: ++ | 19:36 |
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| russellb | any voice+video (*especially* video) solution is going to be bandwidth hungry | 19:36 |
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| reed | clarkb, god only knows what will happen there... but we can make them pay super-serious attention to that | 19:36 |
| russellb | just audio is even easier | 19:36 |
| fungi | without faces, i think we still need something which will pop up a subtitle indicating who's talking | 19:36 |
| ttx | one-way audio with IRC feedback is what Ubuntu used to use at UDS | 19:36 |
| clarkb | I am not familiar with asterisk but mumble does rooms like irc channels | 19:36 |
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| ttx | with a projection of an IRC channel all the time, difficult to ignore | 19:37 |
| jeblair | ttx: that seemed very reliable | 19:37 |
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| ttx | critical participants can be hooked in in two-way voice, if necessary | 19:37 |
| fungi | having been on my share of two-way conference calls, it gets unmanageable once you have 10 or more people trying to keep from talking over top of one another, without a moderator to voice and devoice them | 19:37 |
| russellb | i like that. | 19:38 |
| reed | the main drawback of that is that I can't see how we can have that system tested/deployed before the Summit | 19:38 |
| reed | I explain: | 19:38 |
| ttx | I mean, the session moderator knows if he has a ccritical participant and can hook him in | 19:38 |
| ttx | everyone else can have one-way audio + IRC | 19:38 |
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| reed | my idea is to ask user groups to test the remote system we put in place so we get to HK with practice and knowledge | 19:38 |
| jeblair | ttx: +1 | 19:38 |
| russellb | just need decent audio equipment so that it's actually usable ... | 19:38 |
| fungi | that sounds reasonable to me | 19:38 |
| ttx | we could even abandon the idea of lurkers on one-way audio + IRC and just support critical participants in a ad-hoc manner | 19:39 |
| reed | I don't see how IRC+audio streaming can be made enough for user group Atlanta to chime in the meeting in Chicago, for example | 19:39 |
| fungi | russellb: we had "decent" audio equipment in san diego (not awesome, but usable). the techs who wired the rooms did a less than perfect job though | 19:39 |
| jeblair | reed: i think we could still test that in the manner you are discussing | 19:39 |
| ttx | frankly, you know when you've a critical person missing from the discussion. | 19:40 |
| reed | jeblair, I think we need video, too | 19:40 |
| russellb | fungi: was that when we had the webex things? | 19:40 |
| fungi | russellb: yes, webex itself is crap though, in my opinion | 19:40 |
| russellb | needing video, but being concerned about conference internet, is going to be a bit concerning | 19:40 |
| jeblair | reed: the thing we can't test is how the network in hong kong is going to perform, which is why i think focusing on resilient low-bandwith protocols is our best way to prepare for that. | 19:40 |
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| ttx | so I think having decent phones in each room that a small set of people, invited by the PTL, can call in... | 19:40 |
| ttx | is all we need from a technical perspective | 19:41 |
| reed | russellb, we will take care of the infrastructure later, once we have the specs ready... it's a matter of writing down the contracts | 19:41 |
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| ttx | one-way audio + IRC is a plus | 19:41 |
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| russellb | just a phone is a bit of a pain, not everyone will be able to hear it, and the people on the phone wont' hear the whole room | 19:41 |
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| jeblair | reed: wasn't there already a spec for the network? i seem to remember some bandwidth number is the proposal responses from the venue | 19:42 |
| russellb | not much better than someone's laptop | 19:42 |
| ttx | Personally I don't mind if we lose the US lurkers. We'll have the APAC ones in the rooms to replace them. | 19:42 |
| reed | jeblair, the bandwidth was never an issue afaik | 19:42 |
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| russellb | problem is the lurkers complain when they can't hear something | 19:42 |
| reed | AFAIK we never had issues at the summit with streaming videos | 19:42 |
| ttx | russellb: that's why, personally, I would get rid of the intermediary setup | 19:42 |
| ttx | russellb: have a solution for critical participants if we need them | 19:43 |
| reed | the problems users saw at this summit were for few failed hardware and some closed ports | 19:43 |
| ttx | russellb: but not try and fail at something that pretends to enable remote participation | 19:43 |
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| fungi | in san diego, i had to investigate and restart webex on average twice a day, and i was only responsible for one room | 19:44 |
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| reed | is there a system that we can put in place that supports chat, audio and video and, if networking fails, drop video? | 19:44 |
| jeblair | ttx: so that's a big first question we need to answer: do we want to enable general streaming for everyone, or focus just on the critical participants (invite only)? | 19:45 |
| clarkb | I think chat is IRC and should remain IRC as we already have a ton of tooling around it and it is familiar | 19:45 |
| reed | fungi, what was the cause of that? networking or webex failures? | 19:45 |
| ttx | jeblair: yes | 19:45 |
| fungi | reed: networking and hardware failures | 19:45 |
| fungi | reed: my room had the laptop that kept locking up too | 19:46 |
| reed | so we need something that can basically run as a daemon | 19:46 |
| ttx | jeblair: I think we can do a good job at handling critical participation... not convinced we can build a good story for general remote participation... and doing a bad one is worse than not doing it | 19:46 |
| reed | headless preferrably | 19:46 |
| jeblair | ttx: indeed, things will go wrong, so we should keep it as simple as we can | 19:46 |
| clarkb | ++ | 19:46 |
| reed | ttx: for critical participation we're investigating the possibility to pay for their travel | 19:47 |
| fungi | so the critical-participants-only solution seems to be in line with the atc-only physical access to the rooms. open remote participation is likely to draw non-participant lurkers | 19:47 |
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| ttx | reed: it's a bit difficult though. some people don't know they are critical until the session is up | 19:47 |
| fungi | much in the same way that discouraging non-atc participants helped a bunch in portland | 19:47 |
| ttx | flying them on short notice is kinda expensive | 19:47 |
| reed | ttx, got it, make sense | 19:48 |
| ttx | in all cases you'll have critical people that won't show up | 19:48 |
| ttx | even when it's in the US we have that scenario | 19:48 |
| reed | yeah | 19:48 |
| reed | so what you're suggesting is to ... | 19:49 |
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| ttx | so having a conference phone and bridges set up in the rooms might be all we need | 19:49 |
| reed | proceed like we did in Portland? nothing globally, and ad-hoc per room? | 19:49 |
| fungi | dedicated conference bridge number per room, with a conference room phone | 19:49 |
| ttx | that ^ | 19:49 |
| clarkb | and dedicated irc channels and etherpads per session | 19:50 |
| jeblair | reed: which isn't ad-hoc at all. i definitely think we should spend some time setting this up and making sure it works. | 19:50 |
| clarkb | or per room. eg somewhere people can find the info if mordred doesn't do it ahead of time | 19:50 |
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| reed | jeblair, not very sexy, but we can throw it out there | 19:50 |
| jeblair | reed: i love things that work, regardless of how sexy they are. | 19:51 |
| fungi | i'd rather have functional than sexy | 19:51 |
| fungi | or what jeblair said | 19:51 |
| ttx | clarkb: re: dedicated irc channels -- that's a bit useless as we ignore them | 19:51 |
| reed | you guys | 19:51 |
| clarkb | ttx: yeah I am just thinking that a lot of the sessions don't have a remote meet point until they start | 19:52 |
| jeblair | ttx: if we projected them like UDS | 19:52 |
| clarkb | ttx: so we need someway of making sure that the important participants know what things are ahead of time | 19:52 |
| ttx | clarkb: it's actually harder to ignore the etherpad, and the chat there | 19:52 |
| jeblair | alternatively, we could encourage the use of the etherpad chat | 19:52 |
| russellb | yeah, projecting them would make it work, i think | 19:52 |
| clarkb | irc or etherpad etc | 19:52 |
| reed | we'll need a webpage to summarize it all | 19:52 |
| ttx | sure. We can have a box to project the etherpad in each room | 19:52 |
| reed | the agenda will have to contain the IRC channel and the phone number for the room | 19:52 |
| ttx | reed: hmm. If too many people join the bridge it will be useless for the critical people | 19:53 |
| russellb | etherpad chat is ok too though, really ... everyone is looking at etherpad already anyway, and it's archived with the notes | 19:53 |
| ttx | I'd rather have the moderator invite critical people in | 19:53 |
| fungi | we'd still need a little more cultural pressure to not ignore them. i saw a tendency in some design sessions to not pay attention to the etherpad chat window even though it was on the projector | 19:53 |
| reed | I still think that we won't find a way to test this system with the user groups, it's not useful for that use case | 19:53 |
| russellb | you can set up a bridge to be listen-only by default unless you have a code to be a talker | 19:53 |
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| jeblair | russellb: should we attempt to use ip telephony or pots? | 19:53 |
| ttx | russellb: ah, interesting | 19:54 |
| russellb | either ... ip should be fine, but depends on reliability of your network | 19:54 |
| ttx | russellb: it's just that... I suspect we would set up the phone only in sessions where we know someone is missing | 19:54 |
| russellb | (of course) | 19:54 |
| jeblair | ttx: if we're doing this with asterisk, we might be able to scale out listening to a large number of listeners, and allow them to listen in-browser, etc. | 19:54 |
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| russellb | also ip would be way cheaper. | 19:55 |
| jeblair | (so lurkers aren't using up telephone resources) | 19:55 |
| reed | ok, sounds good | 19:55 |
| ttx | jeblair: that means setting up the phone call at every session | 19:55 |
| ttx | ..or you would just keep it running ? | 19:55 |
| reed | how do you suggest we test this? | 19:56 |
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| clarkb | we could try running this meeting with the system one day | 19:56 |
| fungi | i think it would just be a conference phone dialed into the bridge number for that room as the call moderator, with written instructions on how to redial if it's disconnected | 19:56 |
| reed | not exactly the way I intended... | 19:56 |
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| reed | so to summarise | 19:57 |
| reed | you're suggestion Asterisk server/SIP and phones in each room | 19:57 |
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| jeblair | russellb: would you be willing to help? | 19:58 |
| russellb | yes | 19:58 |
| jeblair | i intend to ask pabelanger too when he's around. :) | 19:58 |
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| fungi | now that's half a dozen international calls from hong kong to wherever our bridge number is, connected 8 hours a day for 5 days, more or less. not sure what the expense winds up looking like for that | 19:58 |
| reed | I'm still not convinced this is the best way to proceed | 19:58 |
| russellb | fungi: via IP though, free | 19:58 |
| russellb | hopefully | 19:58 |
| jeblair | fungi: that does make trying to use SIP compelling. | 19:58 |
| reed | but I do note the convenience of good old telephones | 19:58 |
| fungi | unless we do voip over the conference network yes | 19:58 |
| russellb | and ... need to check regulatory issues | 19:59 |
| russellb | some countries block voip :( | 19:59 |
| fungi | i note the stability of good old telephones vs voip across the world from a conference | 19:59 |
| jeblair | we should probably found out how much pots calls would cost from the facility | 20:00 |
| ttx | russellb: but this is Hong-Kong... oh wait. | 20:00 |
| fungi | voip participants make sense, but for the conference room an actual phone line per room would likely be less finicky | 20:00 |
| jeblair | okay, we're at time... | 20:00 |
| reed | I think we can keep discussing this next week, I'll start a thread on the list, probably | 20:00 |
| jeblair | ttx: is there a meeting in here now? | 20:00 |
| ttx | jeblair: no. | 20:00 |
| reed | the TC... | 20:00 |
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| ttx | you can overrun... a bit. | 20:01 |
| russellb | canceled today | 20:01 |
| ttx | No TC meeting this week | 20:01 |
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| fungi | want me to bounce the bot real quick between meetings? i can do it after we wrap this one up i guess | 20:01 |
| jeblair | reed: yeah, let's do that; we'll resume next week | 20:01 |
| reed | yeah, I think we wont' go too far anyway and we have time :) | 20:01 |
| jeblair | reed: and try to get people who are willing to help here | 20:01 |
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| reed | yep, will do | 20:01 |
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| reed | thanks everybody | 20:02 |
| jeblair | i'm certainly willing to arrive at the summit early and help set up | 20:02 |
| fungi | as am i | 20:02 |
| reed | ok, gotta go | 20:02 |
| jeblair | ok, thanks | 20:02 |
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| jeblair | thanks everyone, see you next week | 20:02 |
| jeblair | #endmeeting | 20:03 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue May 14 20:03:02 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:03 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2013/infra.2013-05-14-19.02.html | 20:03 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2013/infra.2013-05-14-19.02.txt | 20:03 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2013/infra.2013-05-14-19.02.log.html | 20:03 |
| jeblair | fungi: bounce away | 20:03 |
| * fungi will go ahead and get meetbot sane now | 20:03 | |
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| jeblair | #startmeeting test | 20:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue May 14 20:03:46 2013 UTC. The chair is jeblair. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:03 |
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| jeblair | fungi: lgtm | 20:03 |
| jeblair | #endmeeting | 20:04 |
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| olaph_ | oooh, sign me up for the get-there-early-crew | 20:04 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue May 14 20:04:01 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:04 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/test/2013/test.2013-05-14-20.03.html | 20:04 |
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| fungi | awesome | 20:04 |
| fungi | olaph_: when the time comes, i expect reed will put out a call for volunteers anyway. hard to miss | 20:04 |
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| ttx | o/ | 20:59 |
| markmcclain | o/ | 20:59 |
| russellb | o/ | 20:59 |
| dolphm | o/ | 20:59 |
| shardy | o/ | 20:59 |
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| gabrielhurley | \o | 20:59 |
| markmc | hey | 20:59 |
| ttx | notmyname, jd__, markwash, jgriffith: around ? | 21:00 |
| jd__ | o/ | 21:00 |
| notmyname | here | 21:00 |
| markwash | halloo | 21:00 |
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| ttx | ok, let's get started, jgriffith will join us | 21:00 |
| ttx | #startmeeting project | 21:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue May 14 21:00:46 2013 UTC. The chair is ttx. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:00 |
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| ttx | #link http://wiki.openstack.org/Meetings/ProjectMeeting | 21:00 |
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| ttx | Usual stuff. Two weeks left in havana-1, will look into the havana-1 plans with an eye on postponing stuff | 21:01 |
| ttx | #topic General stuff | 21:01 |
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| ttx | 2013.1.1 was released last week | 21:01 |
| ttx | annegentle, jeblair/mordred, sdague/davidkranz: Anything from Docs/Infra/QA teams ? | 21:01 |
| jgriffith | o/ | 21:01 |
| ttx | Anything anyone wants to raise that affects all projects ? | 21:02 |
| jeblair | o/ | 21:02 |
| ttx | jeblair: is that a yes ? | 21:02 |
| ttx | or just a hello ? | 21:02 |
| jeblair | we're talking about remote summit participation in the infra team meetings, so stop by next week if you want to contribute | 21:02 |
| ttx | that was a yes. | 21:03 |
| jeblair | [eol] | 21:03 |
| ttx | anything else ? | 21:03 |
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| ttx | there is a discussion about copyright headers on legal-discuss that you may want to intervene in. | 21:04 |
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| ttx | ok, let's go per-project now | 21:04 |
| ttx | #topic Oslo status | 21:04 |
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| ttx | markmc: hi! | 21:04 |
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| markmc | howdy | 21:04 |
| ttx | #link https://launchpad.net/oslo/+milestone/havana-1 | 21:04 |
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| ttx | significant progress since... this morning. | 21:04 |
| markmc | I'd say correlation-id and object-serialization are very likely to make it | 21:05 |
| markmc | the others, it's hard to say | 21:05 |
| ttx | trusted-messaging is marked as depending on keystone/key-distribution-server, which is a bit... not in havana plans yet | 21:05 |
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| markmc | good chance, but couldn't guarantee any of them | 21:05 |
| markmc | well | 21:05 |
| ttx | how much is that actually blocked by it ? | 21:05 |
| markmc | yeah, I should talk to simo about that | 21:05 |
| markmc | we could land the code in oslo without that | 21:05 |
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| markmc | but whether that would achieve anything useful ... | 21:05 |
| markmc | so, good point | 21:06 |
| ttx | you can remove the dep if it's not a hard dep, and replace it by a mention in the blueprint description | 21:06 |
| ttx | Questions about Oslo ? | 21:06 |
| markmc | yeah | 21:06 |
| markmc | oh, wiki page | 21:06 |
| ttx | wiki page ? | 21:06 |
| markmc | I basically re-wrote it | 21:06 |
| markmc | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Oslo | 21:06 |
| markmc | hopefully that answers most of the questions I was hearing at the summit | 21:07 |
| markmc | there are some details about making hacking and pbr part of oslo that monty and I will work out | 21:07 |
| ttx | cool, will review it | 21:07 |
| markmc | oh, another thought | 21:07 |
| markmc | nothing in havana is yet using oslo.config from havana | 21:08 |
| markmc | they're all till using 2013.1 or whatever | 21:08 |
| markmc | another thing I should fix | 21:08 |
| markmc | that's me | 21:08 |
| ttx | ok | 21:08 |
| ttx | #topic Keystone status | 21:09 |
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| dolphm | o/ | 21:09 |
| ttx | dolphm: o/ | 21:09 |
| ttx | #link https://launchpad.net/keystone/+milestone/havana-1 | 21:09 |
| ttx | dolphm: keystone-ldap-anonymous-binding isn't started yet, do you still think it will make it ? | 21:09 |
| dolphm | yes, it should be a very simple implementation | 21:09 |
| ttx | Looking at the more general havana plan... any idea who plans to work on store-quota-data and pluggable-remote-user ? | 21:10 |
| dolphm | store-quota-data, i'd have to go back and look at the summit etherpad | 21:10 |
| dolphm | pluggable-remote-user, either myself or possibly gyee | 21:10 |
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| dolphm | gyee is on a pluggable spree | 21:10 |
| ttx | dolphm: ok, fill them out if you already know | 21:11 |
| dolphm | i'll talk to him | 21:11 |
| ttx | keeping you busy with security fixes during this milestone | 21:11 |
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| ttx | Anything more about Keystone ? | 21:11 |
| dolphm | otherwise, i think it's fairly realistic to see an m2-targetted blueprint or two completed in time for m1 | 21:11 |
| ttx | that would be great. | 21:11 |
| dolphm | i did want to mention that the bug in our release notes concerns read-only LDAP uses cases in havana has slipped to 2013.1.2 | 21:12 |
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| dolphm | s/concerns/concerning/ | 21:12 |
| dolphm | that's it from me | 21:12 |
| ttx | dolphm: could you quickfix the release notes ? | 21:12 |
| dolphm | ttx: they're up to date: "Read-only LDAP deployments using the bundled identity driver still requires a default domain to be created in LDAP (fix in progress for 2013.1.2)." | 21:13 |
| ttx | oh, ok. Known bug. | 21:13 |
| ttx | thx! | 21:13 |
| ttx | #topic Ceilometer status | 21:13 |
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| ttx | jd__: o/ | 21:13 |
| ttx | #link https://launchpad.net/ceilometer/+milestone/havana-1 | 21:13 |
| jd__ | o/ | 21:13 |
| ttx | Good progress... | 21:13 |
| jd__ | thank you! :) | 21:14 |
| ttx | All on track ? | 21:14 |
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| jd__ | so far so good, I've pinged Toni about his blueprint because I'm worried | 21:14 |
| jd__ | I've the feeling his patchset is going to be big and will have some rework | 21:14 |
| jd__ | we didn't see anything for weeks | 21:14 |
| jd__ | so I might postpone it for havana-2 if no progress, anyway that's no blocker | 21:15 |
| ttx | I won't say "not a big deal if it slips" because you have so many in the pipe... | 21:15 |
| ttx | Looking into the general plan at https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ceilometer/havana now | 21:15 |
| jd__ | ttx: well, at least it doesn't block anything else :) | 21:15 |
| ttx | There is still a bit of milestone targeting needing to be done | 21:15 |
| ttx | jd__: right :) | 21:15 |
| ttx | A few of those untargeted blueprints are actually started: hbase-metadata-query, alarm-api, add-event-table... | 21:15 |
| jd__ | yeah, I'm having a hard time pushing people to assign bp and milestone | 21:15 |
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| ttx | once it's assigned, it's just a matter of asking the assignee when he thinks, roughly, it will land | 21:16 |
| jd__ | yup, I'll do that :) | 21:17 |
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| ttx | Your plan is pretty ambitious already at 45 blueprints. | 21:17 |
| ttx | Note that it's better to postpone stuff early rather than communicate false hopes to people :) | 21:17 |
| ttx | Questions on Ceilometer ? | 21:18 |
| jd__ | ttx: fair enough :) | 21:18 |
| ttx | #topic Swift status | 21:18 |
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| ttx | notmyname: o/ | 21:18 |
| notmyname | hi | 21:18 |
| ttx | #link https://launchpad.net/swift/+milestone/1.8.1 | 21:19 |
| ttx | notmyname: About https://blueprints.launchpad.net/swift/+spec/proxy-affinity-writes, should it be considered "Started" ? | 21:19 |
| ttx | Saw code in WIP at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/27431/ | 21:19 |
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| notmyname | ya, I saw that too | 21:19 |
| notmyname | but I hadn't had a chance to review it yet | 21:19 |
| notmyname | basically 1.8.1 will be the completion of the global cluster features | 21:20 |
| ttx | notmyname: if work is started we can update status | 21:20 |
| notmyname | and I was just looking at the separate replication patches | 21:20 |
| ttx | proxy-affinity-writes is not directly linked to global cluster ? | 21:20 |
| notmyname | yes, if work has started, we can update the status. the author didn't reference the blueprint, and I hadn't had a chance to see if it actually matches, so I hadn't updated anything yet | 21:21 |
| notmyname | yes, it's related | 21:21 |
| ttx | notmyname: Will update status for you. anything you wanted to raise ? | 21:21 |
| notmyname | can I update the status after I have a change to look at the code? | 21:21 |
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| notmyname | the other thing to mention is swift api work | 21:22 |
| ttx | notmyname: sure, I'll revert my status change then | 21:22 |
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| notmyname | work is continuing on https://wiki.openstack.org/Swift/API to define the functionality that wil be defined as swift api v1.0 | 21:22 |
| ttx | Anything more on Swift ? | 21:23 |
| notmyname | work will be continuing to define this and then move on to next versions of the api | 21:23 |
| notmyname | that's all from me | 21:24 |
| ttx | thanks! | 21:24 |
| ttx | #topic Glance status | 21:24 |
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| ttx | markwash: o/ | 21:24 |
| ttx | #link https://launchpad.net/glance/+milestone/havana-1 | 21:24 |
| markwash | ahoy | 21:24 |
| markwash | a very few recent changes there | 21:24 |
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| ttx | Good progress... api-v2-property-protection isn't started yet ? | 21:25 |
| markwash | folks are now getting together to plan out the nitty gritty details | 21:25 |
| markwash | I'm sure that one will slip | 21:25 |
| markwash | I'll get another opinion about h2 vs h3 from them next monday | 21:25 |
| ttx | markwash: let's move it to h2 already | 21:26 |
| markwash | +1 | 21:26 |
| ttx | will do | 21:26 |
| ttx | Looking into the general havana plan now @ https://blueprints.launchpad.net/glance/havana | 21:26 |
| markwash | multiple image locations seems stalled out as well | 21:26 |
| ttx | Still a lot of stuff without a milestone target set... should we consider those all targeted to havana-3 ? | 21:26 |
| markwash | not for all of them, unfortunately | 21:27 |
| markwash | I'll make sure that page looks pretty by thursday during the glance meeting | 21:27 |
| ttx | great! | 21:27 |
| markwash | #action markwash target all the blueprints | 21:27 |
| ttx | re: not all of them -- yes, support-for-multipart-form-data-contenttype and hypervisor-templates-as-glance-images are already started... | 21:27 |
| ttx | so probably not that far from completion | 21:28 |
| ttx | Anything more on Glance ? | 21:28 |
| markwash | those are sort of dark horses, though | 21:28 |
| markwash | so I don't know about their velocity yet | 21:28 |
| markwash | nothing more from me | 21:28 |
| ttx | dark horses. I like that. | 21:28 |
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| ttx | markwash: thx! | 21:28 |
| ttx | #topic Quantum status | 21:28 |
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| ttx | markmcclain: hi! | 21:28 |
| markmcclain | hi | 21:28 |
| ttx | #link https://launchpad.net/quantum/+milestone/havana-1 | 21:28 |
| ttx | catching up with recent changes :) | 21:29 |
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| markmcclain | yeah.. had a few folks try to sneak two bps into h1 | 21:30 |
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| ttx | portbinding-ex-db looks implemented to me ? | 21:30 |
| ttx | or is there more to it ? | 21:31 |
| ttx | Same question for https://blueprints.launchpad.net/quantum/+spec/api-core-for-services (targeted to havana-2) | 21:31 |
| markmcclain | there's another review associated with it that is not linked | 21:31 |
| ttx | good then | 21:31 |
| markmcclain | api-core will have 2 reviews | 21:31 |
| markmcclain | only 1 has been submitted | 21:32 |
| ttx | Good progress overall... except remove-use-of-quantum which is still pending the choice of the new name :) | 21:32 |
| russellb | TPFKAQ | 21:32 |
| ttx | Looking into the general havana plan now: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/quantum/havana | 21:32 |
| markmcclain | russellb: do you have a pronunciation :) | 21:32 |
| russellb | markmcclain: it's like the-artist-formerly-known-as-prince, you couldn't pronounce that symbol either | 21:32 |
| markmcclain | haha | 21:33 |
| ttx | markmcclain: You might want to add https://blueprints.launchpad.net/quantum/+spec/quantum-vpnaas-ipsec-ssl, since it's a dependency of vpnaas-python-apis | 21:33 |
| ttx | Looks like you're almost done with https://blueprints.launchpad.net/quantum/havana/+setgoals | 21:33 |
| markmcclain | I will.. they just agreed yesterday exactly what was in it | 21:33 |
| ttx | Anything else on Quantum ? | 21:33 |
| markmcclain | not from me | 21:33 |
| ttx | do we have jgriffith ? | 21:34 |
| jgriffith | hello! | 21:34 |
| ttx | we do have jgriffith | 21:34 |
| jgriffith | :) | 21:34 |
| ttx | #topic Cinder status | 21:34 |
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| ttx | #link https://launchpad.net/cinder/+milestone/havana-1 | 21:34 |
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| jgriffith | I'll be moving state machine to H2 | 21:35 |
| ttx | looks like this is all a bit late, anything you'd like to defer now ? | 21:35 |
| ttx | ok | 21:35 |
| jgriffith | that one and I need to contact xing Yang regarding her FC support | 21:35 |
| ttx | Feeling confident for the "started" ones ? | 21:35 |
| jgriffith | so far yes | 21:36 |
| jgriffith | Most are coming along nicely | 21:36 |
| jgriffith | a few should land before the end of the week | 21:36 |
| ttx | ok, beware of the review queue toward the end of the milestone | 21:36 |
| ttx | Looking into the general havana plan @ https://blueprints.launchpad.net/cinder/havana | 21:36 |
| ttx | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/cinder/+spec/volume-migration should have a priority set | 21:37 |
| jgriffith | on it | 21:37 |
| jgriffith | I actually would like to work with Avishay and break that one up a bit | 21:37 |
| ttx | otherwise looking pretty good | 21:37 |
| jgriffith | It's a bit too general as it is right now for my liking | 21:37 |
| jgriffith | I'll try and catch him tonight and sort that | 21:37 |
| ttx | yes, those kind tend to never be completed | 21:37 |
| jgriffith | :) | 21:38 |
| ttx | Anything more about Cinder ? | 21:38 |
| jgriffith | or they're not what anybody wants :) | 21:38 |
| jgriffith | Nope, that's it for me | 21:38 |
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| ttx | #topic Nova status | 21:38 |
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| ttx | russellb: o/ | 21:38 |
| ttx | #link https://launchpad.net/nova/+milestone/havana-1 | 21:38 |
| russellb | hi! | 21:38 |
| ttx | Getting a bit late, still feeling optimistic ? | 21:38 |
| russellb | for all of this? no :-) | 21:38 |
| russellb | i've starting pushing some things back today | 21:39 |
| russellb | will continue to do so over the next week as i'm able to catch up with people | 21:39 |
| ttx | use-db-time and remove-instance-fault-table are targeted but not started yet | 21:39 |
| russellb | use-db-time is quick and easy | 21:39 |
| russellb | the other probably won't make it, but figured i'd give it a few days in case code magically appears | 21:39 |
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| ttx | otherwise you got them all triaged, as of 5 minutes ago | 21:40 |
| ttx | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/havana/+setgoals has a new one :) | 21:40 |
| russellb | haha, yeah. | 21:40 |
| russellb | as of about 1 minute ago | 21:41 |
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| * russellb fixes it up | 21:41 | |
| russellb | good now | 21:41 |
| ttx | live-migration-to-conductor (High) depends on query-scheduler (Medium) -- which one should be adjusted ? | 21:41 |
| russellb | query-scheduler should go to high, then | 21:42 |
| ttx | ok will do | 21:42 |
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| ttx | Any question on Nova ? | 21:42 |
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| russellb | question from me | 21:42 |
| russellb | do we have a page i can point people on blueprint process? | 21:42 |
| russellb | i spend a lot of time telling people which fields to set, etc., to get it on my radar | 21:43 |
| ttx | I'd say https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Release_Cycle, and https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Blueprints | 21:43 |
| russellb | ok will check those out, thanks | 21:43 |
| ttx | They may need some updates, but that's the reference doc | 21:43 |
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| russellb | k, will review / propose updates as needed | 21:44 |
| ttx | #topic Heat status | 21:44 |
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| ttx | shardy: hi! | 21:44 |
| shardy | hi | 21:44 |
| ttx | #link https://launchpad.net/heat/+milestone/havana-1 | 21:44 |
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| ttx | russellb: there is also https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/PTLguide but that's more for PTL and drivers. | 21:44 |
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| ttx | shardy: havana-1 looks in good progress | 21:45 |
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| shardy | ttx: I think we're in good shape for h1, apart from a few of the networking bugs may slip | 21:45 |
| ttx | Looking into the general havana plan @ https://blueprints.launchpad.net/heat/havana now | 21:45 |
| shardy | need to speak to stevebaker and jpeeler to confirm | 21:45 |
| ttx | Could still use a bit more target milestones... but I see progress :) | 21:46 |
| shardy | ttx: Yes, I've started putting things I think will get done, or which I'd like to see done for h2 | 21:46 |
| ttx | a number of those untargeted blueprints are already started, like watch-ceilometer or function-plugins | 21:46 |
| ttx | so their assignee should have an idea of when he will complete them | 21:47 |
| shardy | but a lot of promised contributions are being slow to materialize, so I'm still playing wait-and-see on some of the bigger stuff expected later in the cycle | 21:47 |
| ttx | shardy: it's not a big deal to keep low prio stuff untargeted | 21:47 |
| ttx | A bit more embarassing for High prio stuff | 21:47 |
| shardy | ttx: I'll speak to asalkeld and zaneb to get updates on when those will land | 21:48 |
| ttx | since High means, you really want it in the release | 21:48 |
| ttx | shardy: That's all I had for you. anything you wanted to mention ? | 21:48 |
| shardy | one question | 21:48 |
| shardy | you asked for havana roadmap emails to the list last week | 21:49 |
| ttx | yep, those would be nice | 21:49 |
| shardy | which list - do you want user-focussed ones to the openstack list? | 21:49 |
| shardy | or xpost to both? | 21:49 |
| reed | xpost is evil | 21:49 |
| ttx | xpost is evil. Post to openstack-dev only. I saw russellb pushed one to his blog, that's fine too | 21:49 |
| shardy | wasn't sure how to pitch it so wanted to clarify | 21:50 |
| shardy | Ok, thanks | 21:50 |
| ttx | I'm pretty sure reed will pick those up and mention them in the newsletter | 21:50 |
| reed | i should stop xposting myself :) | 21:50 |
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| ttx | so they will get attention, without the drawbacks of cross-posting | 21:50 |
| ttx | Questions about Heat ? | 21:50 |
| russellb | ttx: yeah, was hoping newsletter would get it | 21:50 |
| reed | if it's on planet there are highest chances it will make it to the newsletter | 21:51 |
| ttx | #topic Horizon status | 21:51 |
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| ttx | gabrielhurley: hey | 21:51 |
| gabrielhurley | hi | 21:51 |
| ttx | #link https://launchpad.net/horizon/+milestone/havana-1 | 21:51 |
| ttx | Progress is a bit slow... | 21:51 |
| gabrielhurley | it's kinda borderline | 21:51 |
| gabrielhurley | things are moving along | 21:51 |
| gabrielhurley | the keystone stuff has been significantly slowed by getting some reviews through on keystoneclient | 21:52 |
| gabrielhurley | but I still have confidence in those | 21:52 |
| gabrielhurley | I'm not ready to bump any *quite* yet | 21:53 |
| ttx | admin-group-crud is not started... is it simple enough to be completed in the two remaining weeks ? | 21:53 |
| gabrielhurley | but I am gonna be tightening in on people this week | 21:53 |
| gabrielhurley | yeah, it is | 21:53 |
| ttx | ok | 21:53 |
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| ttx | Questions on Horizon ? | 21:53 |
| gabrielhurley | by-and-large none of these will be showstoppers if they *do* slip, though | 21:53 |
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| ttx | gabrielhurley: right, you got the essential under control | 21:54 |
| ttx | gabrielhurley: anything else you wanted to mention ? | 21:54 |
| gabrielhurley | nope | 21:54 |
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| ttx | ok then | 21:54 |
| ttx | #topic Incubated projects | 21:54 |
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| ttx | hub_cap, devananda: welcome! | 21:54 |
| russellb | \o/ | 21:54 |
| ttx | Any question ? | 21:54 |
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| devananda | o/ | 21:56 |
| devananda | nope. just following along and learning :) | 21:56 |
| ttx | devananda: first step is getting that repo set up :) | 21:56 |
| devananda | yep... not a lot of real activity yet as a result | 21:56 |
| ttx | devananda: do you have seed code ready to fill it ? | 21:57 |
| devananda | i'v e got a review up for that, just waiting on jeblair | 21:57 |
| devananda | and yes | 21:57 |
| devananda | https://github.com/devananda/ironic | 21:57 |
| devananda | working on some skeleton docs and will be posting BPs soon | 21:57 |
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| devananda | so that once there is a repo, folks can begin claiming parts of it and working in parallel | 21:57 |
| ttx | reddwarf still needs to move, but i guess it can wait for the name vet first | 21:57 |
| ttx | devananda: hopefully should be all set today | 21:58 |
| devananda | :) | 21:58 |
| ttx | ok, if you have no question, I guess I can close the meeting | 21:58 |
| ttx | anything else, anyone ? | 21:58 |
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| ttx | ok then | 22:00 |
| ttx | #endmeeting | 22:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue May 14 22:00:10 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/project/2013/project.2013-05-14-21.00.html | 22:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/project/2013/project.2013-05-14-21.00.txt | 22:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/project/2013/project.2013-05-14-21.00.log.html | 22:00 |
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| hub_cap | heh thx for the welocme ttx sry for the lateness ;) | 22:00 |
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| gabrielhurley | okay, horizon time | 22:02 |
| gabrielhurley | #startmeeting horizon | 22:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue May 14 22:02:06 2013 UTC. The chair is gabrielhurley. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 22:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 22:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: horizon)" | 22:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'horizon' | 22:02 |
| gabrielhurley | Hi folks! | 22:02 |
| bradjones | hey | 22:02 |
| mrunge | hey gabriel | 22:02 |
| gabrielhurley | #topic overview | 22:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "overview (Meeting topic: horizon)" | 22:02 | |
| david-lyle | Hello | 22:02 |
| gabrielhurley | We've got two weeks left to get blueprints into H1, so this is crunch time. The more we can do this week the better. | 22:03 |
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| gabrielhurley | Thank you to everyone who's been reviewing lately, it's been a big help | 22:03 |
| lcheng2 | hi | 22:03 |
| gabrielhurley | Basically, anything that's not up for code review by this time next week is probably going to get deferred to H2, just FYI. | 22:04 |
| gabrielhurley | Overall things are looking decent, though, so I still have confidence in what we can do in H1 | 22:04 |
| gabrielhurley | :-) | 22:04 |
| gabrielhurley | let's dive into specifics of the blueprints | 22:04 |
| gabrielhurley | #topic blueprints | 22:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "blueprints (Meeting topic: horizon)" | 22:04 | |
| gabrielhurley | The two "essential" BPs are committed, so that's great. | 22:05 |
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| gabrielhurley | Keystone BPs are the next big chunk | 22:05 |
| gabrielhurley | I noticed that https://review.openstack.org/#/c/21942/ is currently abandoned | 22:05 |
| gabrielhurley | lcheng, david-lyle: care to update us? | 22:05 |
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| david-lyle | gyee is going to pick it up | 22:05 |
| gabrielhurley | gotcha | 22:06 |
| gabrielhurley | any ETA? | 22:06 |
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| david-lyle | starting early this week | 22:06 |
| gabrielhurley | k | 22:06 |
| gabrielhurley | is that actually blocking work on the domain, group, etc. CRUD or just a nice-to-have for those? | 22:06 |
| gabrielhurley | seems like it's only strictly a blocker for the login w/ domain | 22:06 |
| david-lyle | not blocking | 22:07 |
| gabrielhurley | k | 22:07 |
| david-lyle | just blocking anything with a v3 token | 22:07 |
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| gabrielhurley | so are you still feeling confident on the various keystone v2 blueprints for h1? | 22:07 |
| david-lyle | so we can work against the v3 API using a v2 token | 22:07 |
| gabrielhurley | yeah | 22:07 |
| dolphm | gabrielhurley: +1 that's all accurate | 22:08 |
| gabrielhurley | yep | 22:08 |
| david-lyle | for basic CRUD yes, not sure the total scope that will be in the initial commits | 22:08 |
| gabrielhurley | david-lyle: sounds good. we can always improve over time. | 22:08 |
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| david-lyle | yeah, at least we'll have something to build on | 22:08 |
| gabrielhurley | anything myself or dolphm can do to make things smoother? | 22:09 |
| gabrielhurley | (since keystone v3 accounts for about 1/3 of the H1 milestone... ;-) ) | 22:09 |
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| david-lyle | no, I think we're set, we do have questions regarding domain scoping | 22:09 |
| dolphm | domain scoped tokens? | 22:10 |
| david-lyle | lcheng put it in the blueprint with screenshots | 22:10 |
| gabrielhurley | which blueprint? | 22:10 |
| david-lyle | no scoping operations to a domain in the UI | 22:10 |
| david-lyle | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/admin-domain-crud | 22:10 |
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| david-lyle | if you are admin and looking at a domain it doesn't necessarily make sense to then go look at other panels and see all | 22:12 |
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| david-lyle | projects/users/groups/etc | 22:12 |
| gabrielhurley | david-lyle: my initial thought is that for the case of an uber-admin with cross-domain privileges some sort of "active context" is probably a good idea, as per the suggestions in the whiteboard | 22:12 |
| david-lyle | so setting a domain scope to filter those panels makes domain adminstration a lot easier | 22:12 |
| david-lyle | ok | 22:12 |
| gabrielhurley | cool | 22:12 |
| gabrielhurley | okay, other blueprints | 22:13 |
| gabrielhurley | stevebaker: are you around to talk about the Heat UI at all? | 22:13 |
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| gabrielhurley | anyhow, I messaged Steve about that BP this morning, I'm sure he'll get back to me about it. It may slip to H2, but we'll see. | 22:14 |
| stevebaker | here! | 22:15 |
| gabrielhurley | ah, h! | 22:15 |
| gabrielhurley | hi! | 22:15 |
| * stevebaker reads | 22:15 | |
| gabrielhurley | basically just asking what the state of it is and what we can do to help | 22:15 |
| gabrielhurley | I'd love to let people start trying out Heat in Horizon as early in the cycle as possible (which'll bump adoption for y'all too) | 22:16 |
| stevebaker | I've been distracted by heat tempest stuff, but will get back onto horizon heat next. Current task is writing a test for the stack create workflow | 22:16 |
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| stevebaker | which I'll need some help with. | 22:16 |
| gabrielhurley | yeah, I recall that there were two pieces that needed doing from the summit: the tests, and the "post the template and get back a form" workflow bit. | 22:17 |
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| stevebaker | at least I'll be able to submit to gerrit once this test is done | 22:17 |
| gabrielhurley | If that second part is still unresolved then perhaps you could post the current state of your code for collaboration and we can collectively get that doe | 22:17 |
| gabrielhurley | cool | 22:17 |
| gabrielhurley | sounds great | 22:17 |
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| gabrielhurley | keep us posted :-) | 22:17 |
| stevebaker | ok, cool | 22:18 |
| gabrielhurley | I don't see amotoki here... can anyone speak to the Quantum Security Groups blueprint? | 22:18 |
| gabrielhurley | I haven't had any updates there in a couple weeks. | 22:18 |
| david-lyle | eric peterson contacted him about that | 22:19 |
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| gabrielhurley | good to know | 22:19 |
| david-lyle | he's not made any progress lately | 22:19 |
| gabrielhurley | this is the one I actually think is most likely to slip to h2 | 22:19 |
| gabrielhurley | it's not a simple problem due to the differences in quantum and nova | 22:19 |
| david-lyle | he did provide a link to his work in progress but it dates back to sometime in grizzly | 22:19 |
| gabrielhurley | (per-port vs. per-server) | 22:19 |
| david-lyle | my guess is a slip, but I can't speak for amotoki | 22:20 |
| gabrielhurley | I'll check in with him myself, but don't be surprised if this one is deferred | 22:20 |
| gabrielhurley | yep | 22:20 |
| gabrielhurley | thanks for the update though | 22:20 |
| gabrielhurley | Tatiana Mazur indicated confidence in landing the DRY templates BP in H1, so I'd guess we'll see a review in the next week or so. | 22:20 |
| david-lyle | https://github.com/amotoki/horizon/tree/quantum-secgroup/openstack_dashboard/api | 22:20 |
| gabrielhurley | thanks | 22:21 |
| gabrielhurley | I believe that leaves the rest of the BPs as currently in code review (and most of those look pretty good as far as I could see today) | 22:21 |
| lcheng2 | gabrielhurley: when you get the chance, can you perform an initial review https://github.com/gabrielhurley/django_openstack_auth/pull/41 | 22:21 |
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| gabrielhurley | lcheng2: I actually have looked at it and don't see any major issues, but don't wanna commit anything based on non-final code in keystoneclient | 22:22 |
| gabrielhurley | #topic bugs | 22:22 |
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| gabrielhurley | There's one bug I wanna call attention to | 22:23 |
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| gabrielhurley | and maybe other folks here can help sort out where we need to go with it | 22:23 |
| gabrielhurley | https://bugs.launchpad.net/horizon/+bug/1179526 | 22:23 |
| uvirtbot` | Launchpad bug 1179526 in horizon "source_lang in Horizon repo is overwritten by Transifex" [High,Confirmed] | 22:23 |
| lcheng2 | ok | 22:23 |
| gabrielhurley | my understanding is we've basically got the source language codes crossed between Horizon and Transifex and that's causing a lot of woes | 22:23 |
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| gabrielhurley | going further, it sounds like we probably need to scrap the source language on Transifex and align it to the correct source language in Horizon | 22:25 |
| gabrielhurley | doing that may screw up the existing translations, so what we need to do (I think) is back up the actual current translations and be prepared to re-add them to transifex if the whole thing goes haywire | 22:25 |
| gabrielhurley | anyone got any input here? | 22:25 |
| mrunge | no, sadly not. | 22:26 |
| gabrielhurley | heh. okay. | 22:26 |
| gabrielhurley | well, I'll post my thoughts on the ticket | 22:27 |
| jpich | No, might be worthwhile talking with those mysterious contacts we have in Transifex to see if they have any input on handling this | 22:27 |
| gabrielhurley | jpich: also a good idea | 22:27 |
| gabrielhurley | okay then | 22:27 |
| gabrielhurley | #topic open discussion | 22:27 |
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| gabrielhurley | That's all I have | 22:27 |
| gabrielhurley | other folks? | 22:27 |
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| david-lyle | I have high level multi-region support implemented and would like to review, but I need openstack-auth changes | 22:28 |
| david-lyle | I know it's not H1, but our environment needs it | 22:29 |
| gabrielhurley | david-lyle: I saw that one too. I think I misread the description the first time. | 22:29 |
| gabrielhurley | I'll take another look at it | 22:29 |
| david-lyle | ok, thanks! https://github.com/gabrielhurley/django_openstack_auth/pull/42 | 22:30 |
| gabrielhurley | When we get that squared away we need to do some better differentiation between regions in a single service catalog vs. different auth endpoints (which is what Horizon's "regions" setting controls now) | 22:30 |
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| gabrielhurley | I assume that'll happen in the Horizon review that accompanies the openstack-auth PR, though | 22:31 |
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| david-lyle | yes, I'm not sure providing the current region picker is of much value | 22:31 |
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| david-lyle | as a login is required when switching | 22:32 |
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| gabrielhurley | It's actually super-useful for dev against multiple environments, and it originally came out of a use case at rackspace, I think. | 22:32 |
| gabrielhurley | but I'm not sure it's used very often these days | 22:32 |
| david-lyle | we use it, but essentially the same number of clicks would log you out and select a different region | 22:33 |
| david-lyle | I'm don't mind it, but I think it can be confusing | 22:33 |
| gabrielhurley | fair enough | 22:34 |
| gabrielhurley | we can discuss more later | 22:34 |
| david-lyle | sure | 22:35 |
| gabrielhurley | anybody else got other topics before I wrap things up here? | 22:35 |
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| gabrielhurley | okay | 22:36 |
| gabrielhurley | thanks for the input, y'all | 22:36 |
| gabrielhurley | keep up the hard work | 22:36 |
| gabrielhurley | same time next week! | 22:36 |
| gabrielhurley | #endmeeting | 22:36 |
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| david-lyle | thanks Gabriel | 22:37 |
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