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| devananda | hi! who all's here for the Ironic meeting? | 19:01 |
| anteaya | o/ | 19:01 |
| * NobodyCam is | 19:01 | |
| * pleia2 waves | 19:01 | |
| martyntaylor | bonsoir | 19:01 |
| michchap | I am :) | 19:01 |
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| harlowja | yo yo | 19:01 |
| romcheg | I am | 19:01 |
| SergeyLukjanov | o/ | 19:01 |
| gherivero2 | hi | 19:02 |
| devananda | great! | 19:02 |
| devananda | #startmeeting ironic | 19:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jun 3 19:02:14 2013 UTC. The chair is devananda. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: ironic)" | 19:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ironic' | 19:02 |
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| martyntaylor | romcheg: wow must be getting late in your neck of the woods | 19:02 |
| devananda | so, agenda for the meeting is, as usual, in the wiki | 19:02 |
| devananda | #topic documentation | 19:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "documentation (Meeting topic: ironic)" | 19:02 | |
| devananda | first an announcement -- our docs are live and auto built now | 19:02 |
| anteaya | \o/ | 19:02 |
| devananda | #link http://docs.openstack.org/developer/ironic/index.html | 19:02 |
| romcheg | martyntaylor: yup. Trying to combine meeting and sushi ;) | 19:03 |
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| martyntaylor | nice | 19:03 |
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| devananda | there's a bug in PBR that is breaking the auto doc parts currently | 19:03 |
| devananda | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ironic/+bug/1186834 | 19:03 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1186834 in pbr "auto-docs build incorrectly with pbr <= 0.5.11" [Undecided,New] | 19:03 |
| gherivero2 | lovely | 19:03 |
| harlowja | woot | 19:03 |
| harlowja | not enough system architecutre pictures, haha | 19:04 |
| NobodyCam | very nice docs.. +1 to all who had a hand in making them so nice | 19:04 |
| devananda | but please start trying to write good inline docs, and comment on reviews if they lack docs :) | 19:04 |
| devananda | as soon as mordred tags another PBR release, we should have autodocs :) | 19:04 |
| harlowja | cool | 19:04 |
| devananda | any questions on docs? | 19:04 |
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| devananda | harlowja: yea, we need architecture / diagrams ... | 19:05 |
| harlowja | ;) | 19:05 |
| devananda | ok, moving on kinda quickly | 19:05 |
| devananda | #topic meetup? | 19:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "meetup? (Meeting topic: ironic)" | 19:05 | |
| anteaya | yes | 19:05 |
| devananda | i raised the question informally last week | 19:05 |
| NobodyCam | where? | 19:06 |
| devananda | should we try to ge tothether and hack / sort things out / etc? | 19:06 |
| devananda | and if so, whena nd wehere? | 19:06 |
| harlowja | hmmm | 19:06 |
| anteaya | should we? yes | 19:06 |
| devananda | ideas so far are NYC and Amsterdam | 19:06 |
| mordred | I'll be arranging a location for the CI bootcamp June 27/28 in NYC | 19:06 |
| mordred | we obviously can't share hte same room - but overall logistics could theoretically be shared | 19:07 |
| romcheg | +1 for Amsterdam | 19:07 |
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| harlowja | +1 for hawaii | 19:07 |
| anteaya | I would love to do a boot camp with CI | 19:07 |
| anteaya | didn't know that was a possibility | 19:07 |
| harlowja | i'd like to to be ;) | 19:08 |
| harlowja | *it to be | 19:08 |
| anteaya | would be like going to the emerald city | 19:08 |
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| NobodyCam | emerald city eaiset for /me | 19:08 |
| gherivero2 | hawaii! | 19:08 |
| devananda | harlowja: we have a good group from EU that i would like to include, so hawaii is probably not going to work ... | 19:08 |
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| harlowja | ah, durn | 19:08 |
| gherivero2 | im in europe and dont care about haeaii:) | 19:09 |
| devananda | martyntaylor: since you're taking on a lot of the API stuff, i would like to see you included | 19:09 |
| anteaya | so far romcheg likes Amsterdam, I would like NY and no one else has identified they would like to attend | 19:09 |
| romcheg | I'm in Ukraine and getting a visa to the US is a pain for me :) | 19:10 |
| anteaya | romcheg: I hear that | 19:10 |
| anteaya | mordred: any change CI would boot camp in Amsterdam? | 19:10 |
| devananda | harlowja: what's the likelyhood of you making it to NYC for a couple days? | 19:10 |
| mordred | no | 19:10 |
| harlowja | hmmmm | 19:10 |
| anteaya | mordred: had to ask | 19:10 |
| mordred | anteaya: fair. :) | 19:10 |
| harlowja | not so likely, but i can try to ask | 19:11 |
| mordred | anteaya: we're doing NYC because I'm sick of travel | 19:11 |
| martyntaylor | devananda: I'll certainly ask about it, I would imagine Amsterdamn would be a lot easier to justify | 19:11 |
| devananda | mordred: hah! you? | 19:11 |
| anteaya | mordred: ah yes, that is well understood | 19:11 |
| mordred | devananda: :) | 19:11 |
| harlowja | devananda let me get back to u on that | 19:11 |
| devananda | martyntaylor: k, please let me know. | 19:11 |
| devananda | martyntaylor: also, iirc, jayg is east-coast-US, so if you couldn' tmake it to NYC, could jayg? | 19:12 |
| anteaya | can we do a show of hands of who is considering attending? | 19:12 |
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| anteaya | o/ | 19:12 |
| devananda | actually | 19:12 |
| devananda | let's break this in half | 19:12 |
| devananda | show of hands for those who could attend US east coast | 19:12 |
| devananda | \o | 19:12 |
| anteaya | \o | 19:12 |
| * NobodyCam could | 19:13 | |
| devananda | anyone else? | 19:13 |
| anteaya | not much of a boot camp with just 3 of us | 19:13 |
| anteaya | I'd still like to meet you though NobodyCam | 19:14 |
| martyntaylor | devananda: quite possib ly | 19:14 |
| devananda | ok, thanks | 19:14 |
| devananda | show of hands for those who could attend amsterdam? | 19:14 |
| devananda | \o | 19:14 |
| romcheg | \o | 19:15 |
| * NobodyCam could also | 19:15 | |
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| martyntaylor | \o | 19:16 |
| dprince | hi | 19:16 |
| devananda | it seems that, besides myself and NobodyCam and gherivero, we have 1 definite for NYC and 2 definite for Amsterdam | 19:16 |
| devananda | dprince: hi! | 19:16 |
| martyntaylor | <confirmation required, travel budget is tight here> | 19:16 |
| lifeless | o/ sorry i'm late | 19:16 |
| dprince | mordred: is this the same bootcamp as the infra stuff? | 19:17 |
| anteaya | lifeless: are you saying hello or is your hand in the air saying you could attend an ironic bootcamp in Amsterdam? | 19:17 |
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| devananda | dprince: we're discussing having an overlapping ironic bootcamp in NYC | 19:18 |
| mordred | dprince: I was suggesting that we potentially co-locate infra bootcamp and ironic meeting - as arranging space for two meetings is about the same effort as for one | 19:18 |
| dprince | ++ sounds like a wonderful idea | 19:18 |
| anteaya | mordred: if I can't attend the ironic bootcamp can I crash the CI one? | 19:19 |
| lifeless | anteaya: bit of column a, bit of column b. My travel stuff is weird :) | 19:19 |
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| anteaya | lifeless: very good | 19:19 |
| anteaya | so maybe lifeless for Amsterdam | 19:20 |
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| devananda | so as much as I'd like to accomodate everyone, it seems like NYC is simpler | 19:21 |
| devananda | and can get enough folks | 19:21 |
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| devananda | if we can get jayg there, that'll cover the API side | 19:21 |
| anteaya | romcheg: is applying for a VISA a possibility? | 19:21 |
| romcheg | It is. Not sure if I can get a visa in time | 19:22 |
| anteaya | understood | 19:22 |
| anteaya | they don't make it easy | 19:22 |
| devananda | mordred: is that ^ something you or the foundation could help with, and in time? | 19:22 |
| romcheg | When exactly do you plan to meet up? | 19:23 |
| devananda | IIRC, June 27 - 29 are the CI bootcamp dates | 19:23 |
| martyntaylor | jayg: we are talking about a potential meetup | 19:23 |
| anteaya | romcheg: another time, how much advance notice to you need in order to apply for a VISA? | 19:23 |
| mordred | devananda: if we're talking visas, probably no | 19:23 |
| martyntaylor | jayg: in NYC | 19:23 |
| devananda | mordred: ack :( | 19:23 |
| mordred | devananda: BUT - it's always worth asking the foundatoin about it | 19:23 |
| martyntaylor | jayg: not sure if you can make it? | 19:24 |
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| mordred | let me know if you want me to start a thread | 19:24 |
| martyntaylor | devananda: if not we could always do a hangout or something similar | 19:24 |
| jayg | hangout would likely work better for me | 19:24 |
| anteaya | you do realize they redesigned the hangouts | 19:24 |
| anteaya | rendering them unusable for my needs | 19:24 |
| devananda | so we can also do hangouts any time | 19:24 |
| jayg | anteaya: unusable how? | 19:25 |
| michchap | I can make a webex meeting if that is helpful. | 19:25 |
| anteaya | you have to be signed on to google+ to receive the call | 19:25 |
| anteaya | like skype | 19:25 |
| anteaya | I used to be able to start an empty hangout and share the url | 19:25 |
| anteaya | so the async factor has been sharply reduced from what I can see | 19:26 |
| * jayg has never used a hangout w/o being signed in, didnt realize it was not always like that | 19:26 | |
| anteaya | so perhaps I am the only one who noticed a difference | 19:26 |
| NobodyCam | we are sidetracking | 19:26 |
| devananda | so, i think we've side tracked - i'm happy to webex or hangout to knowledge share, but let's take that up after the meeting :) | 19:26 |
| romcheg | anteaya: 2 months. But I will ask the embassy about urgent visas | 19:27 |
| devananda | i'm going to go forward with plans for crashing infra's bootcamp, and let's all try to get there if we can | 19:27 |
| anteaya | romcheg: okay, thanks | 19:27 |
| anteaya | yay | 19:27 |
| devananda | and let's try to capture what we do for thsoe who can't make it | 19:27 |
| anteaya | yes | 19:27 |
| devananda | moving on | 19:27 |
| devananda | since there are a few more big things to talk about | 19:27 |
| devananda | #topic stuff in progress | 19:28 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "stuff in progress (Meeting topic: ironic)" | 19:28 | |
| devananda | we have a whole bunch of new BPs :) | 19:28 |
| devananda | some big, some small | 19:28 |
| devananda | mostly i want to call out these 4 areas of work | 19:28 |
| devananda | - DB object model | 19:28 |
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| devananda | - API & RPC implementation | 19:28 |
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| devananda | - image utils refactoring from nova/cinder | 19:28 |
| devananda | - PXE driver | 19:28 |
| devananda | as outstanding things before Ironic becomes minimally functional | 19:28 |
| devananda | martyntaylor seems to have a handle on the API parts | 19:29 |
| devananda | anything you'd like to say? questions, comments, etc? | 19:29 |
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| martyntaylor | devananda: we are blocked on the db model object | 19:30 |
| romcheg | I am keen to work on that | 19:30 |
| devananda | ah, i see | 19:30 |
| devananda | romcheg: on the api, or the db object model? | 19:30 |
| romcheg | Object model | 19:30 |
| devananda | romcheg: great. dansmith implemented this in Nova -- feel free to port his work to Ironic | 19:30 |
| martyntaylor | we can still play around with the other things, like adding routes etc... but really we can't make a great deal of process until we get that piece | 19:30 |
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| martyntaylor | once that is done, there is a ton of stuff that can be done in parrallel | 19:31 |
| devananda | ok | 19:31 |
| devananda | so actually, i can probably port that in a day or less. | 19:31 |
| romcheg | devananda: was about to start working on that | 19:31 |
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| GheRivero | o/ i'm back | 19:31 |
| devananda | i also have plenty else to do :) | 19:31 |
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| devananda | romcheg: so please post your work to gerrit early, so we can iterate quickly and unblock martyntaylor | 19:32 |
| devananda | #action romcheg to port db object model | 19:32 |
| romcheg | Ok | 19:32 |
| martyntaylor | other than that | 19:32 |
| martyntaylor | I hope I've broken down the work load into sizable chunks so much so that if anyone has any free cycles they can pick up the odd task here and there | 19:32 |
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| devananda | martyntaylor: i'm going to go through today and condense those blueprints... | 19:33 |
| devananda | for reference, a blueprint doesn't have to be assigned to you for you to work on it | 19:33 |
| devananda | eg, one BP could encompass multiple "work items" | 19:33 |
| martyntaylor | devananda: ah sure | 19:34 |
| devananda | it just indicates who is the primary contact for that work | 19:34 |
| martyntaylor | I see | 19:34 |
| martyntaylor | my appologies my launchpad skills are not up to scratch, I'm more used to things like Redmine and JIRA | 19:34 |
| devananda | so if others want to work on the API, at this point, they should probably be talking to you regardless of what BP they have assigned to them (or not) | 19:34 |
| martyntaylor | sure | 19:34 |
| devananda | martyntaylor: no worries :) it's a different tool, and has its limitations ... | 19:35 |
| devananda | GheRivero: niec work on the glance image utils. any estimation of how much more there is to do? | 19:35 |
| lifeless | NYC and amsterdam are about equal for me | 19:35 |
| GheRivero | 1 or 2 days top if everything goes smoothly | 19:36 |
| devananda | awesome! | 19:36 |
| devananda | so after that, i'll start helping with the PXE driver work | 19:36 |
| devananda | any more questions/comments about the open blueprints, ongoing work, etc, before I move on? | 19:37 |
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| NobodyCam | looking for reviews on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/30935/ | 19:37 |
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| devananda | ok, moving on | 19:38 |
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| devananda | #topic task flows | 19:38 |
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| devananda | so, this bears a little explanation before we discuss | 19:38 |
| devananda | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/ironic_driver_api | 19:38 |
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| devananda | i jotted down some (lengthy) notes about the issue | 19:39 |
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| harlowja | workflows, nice | 19:39 |
| devananda | tl;dr is that the nova baremetal driver implemented 2 types of "sub drivers" | 19:39 |
| devananda | power and deployment | 19:39 |
| devananda | i followed that model when laying out the skeleton for ironic | 19:39 |
| devananda | but it's looking pretty clear that it doesn't address the needs of most vendor-extensions | 19:39 |
| anteaya | what vendor-extentions does nova bare-metal drivers support now? | 19:40 |
| devananda | anteaya: none | 19:40 |
| anteaya | s/driver/drivers | 19:40 |
| harlowja | interesting | 19:40 |
| devananda | another approach that may work better is to use workflows | 19:41 |
| harlowja | *really likes how this workflow stuff is being thought ahead of time :) | 19:41 |
| harlowja | *thought about* | 19:41 |
| harlowja | devananda thx u thx u | 19:41 |
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| devananda | harlowja: well, there's a good idea under here | 19:42 |
| harlowja | def | 19:42 |
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| devananda | i dont like complicating ironic more than is necessary, but we also need to support different work flows for all the things | 19:42 |
| harlowja | agreed | 19:43 |
| devananda | changing the RAID config with IPMI+PXE will be a radically different workflow than doing the same thing with iLO or DRAC | 19:43 |
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| devananda | the current approach of putting that logic inside the ManagerService, calling down to the drivers via the current API, doesn't seem to work | 19:43 |
| devananda | because the assumption taht different drivers will follow the same work flow is flawed | 19:43 |
| devananda | they wont | 19:43 |
| devananda | deploying an image via iLO doesn't require 2 reboots, for example | 19:44 |
| devananda | that's a pretty significant difference | 19:44 |
| devananda | that shouldn't be exposed outside of the Ironic API, at least not in my opinion | 19:44 |
| harlowja | ya, its a nice ideal to have (the one api ideal) but i agree that its never really reality | 19:44 |
| devananda | lifeless: i imagine you'll also have thoughts on all this (if you're around) | 19:45 |
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| devananda | harlowja: i dont think the API clients should need to do different things depending on the driver that Ironic is using | 19:45 |
| devananda | harlowja: that'd be like expecting nova clients to send different commands for Xen vs. libvirt :) | 19:46 |
| harlowja | agreed, its internal to ironic, which is fine, but has to be flexible in ironic | 19:46 |
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| devananda | yea | 19:46 |
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| harlowja | and that begs the question of how flexible, haha | 19:46 |
| lifeless | devananda: I am; sec - catching up | 19:47 |
| devananda | harlowja: so my idea is roughly sketched at the end of that etherpad | 19:47 |
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| devananda | workflows are created for known sets of drivers | 19:47 |
| harlowja | ya, can u describe the weighting stuff | 19:47 |
| lifeless | devananda: I had assumed that the deploy driver would take a ref to the power driver instance. | 19:48 |
| devananda | lifeless: yes, it does that today | 19:48 |
| lifeless | devananda: and so could do whatever it wanted, whether thats one power on or three. | 19:48 |
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| lifeless | devananda: or vendor specific can just do $whatever and ignore the power driver | 19:48 |
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| devananda | lifeless: current model doesn't seem to work if one driver does it all (eg, iLO) | 19:49 |
| lifeless | devananda: At a guess, that means you don't have enough control passed to the driver | 19:50 |
| lifeless | devananda: the workflow thing might be good, but it seems orthogonal to thise specific point? | 19:50 |
| devananda | harlowja: idea about weights: each Driver's pubic method can be queried whether it can act on a given Node (ie, if it's got all the configuration, and whether current state prevents it) | 19:51 |
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| harlowja | hmmm, don't call that method, haha | 19:52 |
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| devananda | and if multiple drivers happen to both be capable, manager picks the "best" one | 19:52 |
| devananda | eg, PXE driver requires reboot to do $foo, but iLO doesn't | 19:52 |
| harlowja | kk, makes sense | 19:53 |
| lifeless | devananda: So, I need to see code where this is a problem. | 19:53 |
| lifeless | devananda: I don't understand why it matters at all | 19:53 |
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| devananda | lifeless: at the manager level, "deploy this image" is | 19:53 |
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| devananda | control_driver.prepare | 19:54 |
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| devananda | power_driver.boot | 19:54 |
| devananda | control_driver.deploy | 19:54 |
| devananda | power_driver.reboot | 19:54 |
| devananda | <insert some hand waving> | 19:54 |
| jbjohnso | devananda, huh? why would you use power_driver to reboot after deploy? | 19:54 |
| jbjohnso | devananda, wouldn't the deploy just do reboot internally? | 19:54 |
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| NobodyCam | 5 minute warrning bell | 19:55 |
| devananda | jbjohnso: it does that today, actually, but we ran into an issue with some HW | 19:55 |
| devananda | jbjohnso: reboot from in-ramdisk occasionally got stuck.... | 19:55 |
| jbjohnso | devananda, reboot -f? | 19:55 |
| devananda | :) | 19:55 |
| jbjohnso | devananda, or reboot? | 19:55 |
| jbjohnso | devananda, not kidding, fyi | 19:55 |
| devananda | not sure atm | 19:55 |
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| jbjohnso | devananda, we went to 'reboot -f' | 19:55 |
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| jbjohnso | devananda, which resolved a lot of weirdness in corner cases | 19:55 |
| devananda | so the same thing applies to "set this BIOS setting" | 19:55 |
| devananda | PXE driver must: prepare. reboot. deploy special ramdisk. unprepare. | 19:56 |
| devananda | iLO driver would just: send message to iLO | 19:56 |
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| lifeless | devananda: so I'm saying at the manager level it shoudl be | 19:56 |
| lifeless | devananda: control_driver.deply(image_ref, node_ref, power_driver_instance) | 19:56 |
| lifeless | devananda: -done- | 19:57 |
| devananda | yea | 19:57 |
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| lifeless | devananda: and that your problem is you are violating the control driver abstraction today. | 19:57 |
| lifeless | devananda: for which the fix is simple :). | 19:57 |
| lifeless | devananda: now, you'll tell me why I'm wrong! | 19:57 |
| devananda | perhaps after your meeting :) | 19:57 |
| devananda | let's continue this in #-ironic if fokls want to | 19:57 |
| devananda | #topic open discussion | 19:58 |
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| devananda | we have 2 minutes left :) | 19:58 |
| lifeless | tick tock :> | 19:58 |
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| harlowja | so maybe more writeup will help here :) | 19:59 |
| harlowja | and maybe some small code examples? | 19:59 |
| devananda | possibly | 19:59 |
| devananda | i'll add stuff to the etherpad | 19:59 |
| devananda | thanks everyone! | 19:59 |
| devananda | #endmeeting | 19:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jun 3 19:59:46 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2013/ironic.2013-06-03-19.02.html | 19:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2013/ironic.2013-06-03-19.02.txt | 19:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2013/ironic.2013-06-03-19.02.log.html | 19:59 |
| lifeless | #startmeeting tripleo | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jun 3 20:00:21 2013 UTC. The chair is lifeless. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 20:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tripleo' | 20:00 |
| lifeless | #agenda | 20:00 |
| lifeless | bugs | 20:00 |
| lifeless | Grizzly test rack progress | 20:00 |
| lifeless | CI virtualized testing progress | 20:00 |
| lifeless | open discussion | 20:00 |
| lifeless | bah | 20:00 |
| lifeless | #topic agenda | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "agenda (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 20:00 | |
| lifeless | bugs | 20:01 |
| lifeless | Grizzly test rack progress | 20:01 |
| lifeless | CI virtualized testing progress | 20:01 |
| lifeless | open discussion | 20:01 |
| lifeless | #topic bugs | 20:01 |
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| lifeless | https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/ | 20:01 |
| lifeless | sigh. | 20:01 |
| lifeless | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/ | 20:01 |
| SpamapS | o/ | 20:02 |
| lifeless | 10 criticals | 20:02 |
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| lifeless | 4 in progress | 20:02 |
| lifeless | SpamapS: am I wrong, or do you have 1182249 too ? | 20:02 |
| lifeless | and 1182732 and 1182737 ? | 20:03 |
| SpamapS | checking | 20:03 |
| lifeless | and 1183442 ? :) | 20:03 |
| SpamapS | I believe 1182249 yes | 20:03 |
| Ng | lifeless: which bug? :) | 20:04 |
| lifeless | #action lifeless https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1184484 I will add it to the discussion about defaults on the -dev list. | 20:04 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1184484 in tripleo "Quantum default settings will cause deadlocks due to overflow of sqlalchemy_pool" [Critical,Triaged] | 20:04 |
| lifeless | Ng: iLO | 20:04 |
| SpamapS | Not sure if my patches in review handle 1182732 | 20:04 |
| lifeless | Ng: https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/ | 20:04 |
| SpamapS | I do have 1183442 | 20:05 |
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| SpamapS | is there some reason gerrit doesn't manage LP projects for stackforge? | 20:06 |
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| lifeless | unlinking https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1182732 - we have a separate workaround task. | 20:07 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1182732 in quantum "bad dependency on quantumclient breaks metadata agent" [High,Confirmed] | 20:07 |
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| lifeless | SpamapS: it will | 20:07 |
| lifeless | SpamapS: if it's configured correctly | 20:07 |
| lifeless | SpamapS: we should be configured correctly now; clarkb gave us a hand last week to sort it out | 20:08 |
| SpamapS | good, will cross my fingers :) | 20:09 |
| lifeless | Ng: https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1178112 specifically | 20:09 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1178112 in tripleo "baremetal kernel boot options make console inaccessible on ILO environments" [Critical,Triaged] | 20:09 |
| lifeless | so that leaves two | 20:11 |
| lifeless | one is a workaround issue | 20:11 |
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| lifeless | not a lot we can do; clearly quantum hasn't been used at moderate scale | 20:11 |
| lifeless | thats bug | 20:11 |
| lifeless | bug 1184484 | 20:11 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1184484 in tripleo "Quantum default settings will cause deadlocks due to overflow of sqlalchemy_pool" [Critical,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1184484 | 20:11 |
| lifeless | and I'm fairly sure we have to have 1182737 fixed to bring up an automated overcloud | 20:12 |
| Ng | lifeless: repointed at the commit that landed in dib and market as fix committed | 20:12 |
| lifeless | Ng: \o/ - as dib isn't doing releases yet, just fix released please. | 20:12 |
| Ng | k | 20:12 |
| lifeless | SpamapS: as you sure you're not installing git trunk of quantumclient yet ? | 20:12 |
| SpamapS | lifeless: was just looking | 20:13 |
| lifeless | SpamapS: I thought you brought up an overcloud in fully automated fashion and it worked? | 20:13 |
| SpamapS | lifeless: 99% automated.. still getting stuck at booting an instance and having metadata because of a lack of routers.. | 20:13 |
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| SpamapS | lifeless: in my notes I have "install quantumclient from trunk in quantum venv" | 20:14 |
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| lifeless | kk | 20:14 |
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| lifeless | SpamapS: I will debug that with you later today? | 20:14 |
| lifeless | so, bugs done to death I think; lots of high, but lets get the fire drill sorted before we worry about that. | 20:14 |
| SpamapS | lifeless: yes I've got it working well with very straight forward manual steps | 20:15 |
| lifeless | #topic Grizzly test rack POC | 20:15 |
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| SpamapS | lifeless: also we should lean on quantumclient maintainers maybe? | 20:15 |
| lifeless | So, we have a live working grizzly cloud. | 20:15 |
| lifeless | SpamapS: we should. | 20:15 |
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| lifeless | but we have no monitoring in place. | 20:16 |
| SpamapS | lifeless: I need to lean on the keystoneclient maintainers for similar reasons. :) | 20:16 |
| lifeless | Ng: GheRivero: perhaps thats something you guys have lots of experience and would like to take up the mantle for? | 20:16 |
| SpamapS | lifeless: sure we do, our POC users will phone us if it breaks. ;) | 20:16 |
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| Ng | lifeless: monitoring? sure. do we have any ideas about what we want? | 20:17 |
| GheRivero | lifeless: yeah, sure (don't know what, but if you say so... :) | 20:18 |
| lifeless | well | 20:18 |
| lifeless | icinga or nagios perhaps? NobodyCam had the start of an element, but it's stalled AFAICT' | 20:18 |
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| lifeless | perhaps work with him on that, and on the heat template for same | 20:18 |
| jog0 | I assume alerting is included in monitoring? | 20:19 |
| cody-somerville | I can also give a hand there. | 20:19 |
| lifeless | cody-somerville: cool | 20:19 |
| SpamapS | I'd love to have an icinga-heat bit that, given heat read credentials, can interpret a heat stack and generate all of the monitoring. | 20:19 |
| lifeless | SpamapS: +1, and I welcome our strong AI overlords. | 20:19 |
| NobodyCam | I ment to get back to the nagios ... but got side tracked on ironic | 20:19 |
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| lifeless | so, we've three weeks of POC to go; be really good to have monitoring sooner rather than earlier. | 20:20 |
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| lifeless | jog0: oh yeah, HI | 20:20 |
| lifeless | ! | 20:20 |
| lifeless | what do we want? | 20:20 |
| lifeless | I think we want base level hardware/OS monitoring. | 20:20 |
| lifeless | We want cloud health - have we maxed out any resource | 20:20 |
| * jog0 waves to lifeless and the rest of the room | 20:20 | |
| lifeless | We want API health: are all the API endpoints answering, and doing so in a reasonable timeframe. | 20:21 |
| lifeless | We want functional monitoring - is spinning up/down instances working, is networking working. | 20:21 |
| lifeless | it's likely we want more than one tool; but a consolidated view of their data. | 20:21 |
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| lifeless | should I turn this into a blueprint/etherpad? | 20:21 |
| Ng | we should probably have this captured somewhere | 20:22 |
| lifeless | I'd love it if someone can pick it up and run with it; dragging other folk in as needed. | 20:22 |
| jog0 | lifeless: and cloud health also detects if a box dies? | 20:22 |
| lifeless | jog0: the base hardware/os layer stuff would capture that | 20:23 |
| lifeless | jog0: I'm inclined to worry about automated remedial actions at a later date | 20:23 |
| jog0 | ah, perhaps we should sync up offline, so I can get up to speed | 20:23 |
| lifeless | jog0: sure; though we have some time here. | 20:24 |
| SpamapS | Note that Heat wants to be able to do some of that remedial action stuff too. | 20:24 |
| lifeless | Basically, tripleo aims to deliver a production ready cloud; having *an* answer for monitoring is an important thing. | 20:24 |
| lifeless | SpamapS: right | 20:24 |
| lifeless | SpamapS: I'm thinking an icinga endpoint can be the canary check. | 20:24 |
| SpamapS | yes indeed | 20:24 |
| lifeless | SpamapS: at 10000ft view | 20:24 |
| lifeless | jog0: the other thing as SpamapS just brought up, is that solid service monitoring is a key part of safe deployment automation. | 20:25 |
| lifeless | jog0: so you can stop a deploy mid-way if things go pear shaped. | 20:25 |
| jog0 | right | 20:26 |
| lifeless | right now we have nothing; so we need someting | 20:26 |
| lifeless | #action lifeless to capture 10000ft view of monitoring needs in a blueprint | 20:26 |
| lifeless | #action someone to take point on monitoring | 20:26 |
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| lifeless | I have an open todo to track down the missing machines; echohead gave me a spreadsheet, but I don't know [yet] the network topology | 20:27 |
| lifeless | anything else about the test rack? | 20:27 |
| lifeless | ok | 20:28 |
| lifeless | #topic | 20:29 |
| SpamapS | next topic: 2nd test rack? :) | 20:29 |
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| lifeless | #topic CI virtualized testing progress | 20:29 |
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| pleia2 | so, this one is lots of fun | 20:29 |
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| lifeless | SpamapS: once we can bring up and pull down parallel clouds in this rack I'll ask for a test row. | 20:29 |
| pleia2 | a couple months ago I was tasked with testing nova-baremtal https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-ci/+bug/1082795 | 20:29 |
| lifeless | pleia2: tag, you're it | 20:29 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1082795 in openstack-ci "Add baremetal testing" [High,Triaged] | 20:29 |
| pleia2 | as we all know, a ton has changed since then, ironic and all | 20:29 |
| pleia2 | but I've still been focusing on tripleo to do virtualized testing of the soundness of launching these test bmnodes | 20:30 |
| pleia2 | so two things | 20:30 |
| pleia2 | 1. This is difficult, I tried just straight toci that dprince worked on, but our virtualized environment don't really allow for this (they don't have kvm, and qemu is way way too slow) | 20:30 |
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| lifeless | how slow? | 20:31 |
| lifeless | Like, can we get working-but-slow, and then iterate? | 20:31 |
| pleia2 | openstack starts exhibiting strange timeout bugs slow, not usable | 20:31 |
| pleia2 | 2 minutes to ssh in | 20:31 |
| lifeless | ok, thats pretty messed up. | 20:32 |
| pleia2 | 2. Am I still on the right track here at all by using tripleo? If I use lifeless' takeover node I end up pulling out so much virtualization that I'm really just testing dib and launching of nodes (and haven't quite figured out networking on that) | 20:32 |
| pleia2 | which isn't really tripleo anymore, but probably is where I want to be testing baremetal-wise (I think) | 20:32 |
| SpamapS | pleia2: I have working nested kvm on my i7 laptop | 20:33 |
| lifeless | pleia2: so, what code path do you want to test ? | 20:33 |
| SpamapS | pleia2: using boot-stack | 20:33 |
| lifeless | SpamapS: cloud test environments are rackspace/HPCS. | 20:33 |
| lifeless | SpamapS: so thats interesting but irrelevant | 20:33 |
| pleia2 | SpamapS: me too, but not on hpcloud | 20:33 |
| SpamapS | gah | 20:33 |
| pleia2 | can't even load kvm module on hpcloud | 20:33 |
| SpamapS | yeah didn't realize thats what we were talking about | 20:33 |
| lifeless | pleia2: what codepath are you aiming to test. | 20:33 |
| pleia2 | lifeless: so that's what I realized this morning - I don't know, nova-baremetal is now ironic (and doesn't yet have a nova driver afaik) | 20:34 |
| lifeless | nova-baremetal still exists. | 20:34 |
| lifeless | ironic is coming together. | 20:34 |
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| pleia2 | right, and it's a goal for ironic to have a driver which I assume will behave the same way | 20:34 |
| pleia2 | +for nova | 20:34 |
| lifeless | once ironic is integrated, we'll still want to know that the use case of 'nova boot baremetal' still works. | 20:34 |
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| lifeless | so, lets ignore ironic. | 20:35 |
| lifeless | if we do that, what codepath do you want to test? | 20:35 |
| pleia2 | nova | 20:35 |
| lifeless | ok | 20:35 |
| lifeless | so the minimum you need for that is | 20:36 |
| lifeless | the nova code | 20:36 |
| lifeless | configured for baremetal | 20:36 |
| * pleia2 nods | 20:36 | |
| lifeless | you need a dedicated network | 20:36 |
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| lifeless | with 'physical' machines on it w/PXE boot configured | 20:36 |
| pleia2 | yes, this is my current challenge when trying to do this virtualized without nesting | 20:36 |
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| lifeless | and you need a power driver capable of turning them on / off. | 20:36 |
| lifeless | I suggest that a solid 'it worked' test is to boot a vanilla ubuntu image, ssh in with metadata supplied ssh key. | 20:37 |
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| lifeless | tripleo's boot-stack is neither here nor there w.r.t. to testing this specific code path. | 20:37 |
| pleia2 | ok | 20:37 |
| SpamapS | Just a thought. Have we ever tried lxc as a way around the nesting problems? | 20:37 |
| pleia2 | SpamapS: nope | 20:38 |
| lifeless | SpamapS: lxc container set to pxe boot ? | 20:38 |
| lifeless | SpamapS: with a different kernel.... | 20:38 |
| pleia2 | just qemu (drop in for kvm, easy to test) | 20:38 |
| lifeless | SpamapS: I don't think its a fit. | 20:38 |
| lifeless | SpamapS: though it's an interesting idea | 20:38 |
| SpamapS | lifeless: oh well if we're testing _that_ part yeah there's no point. | 20:38 |
| pleia2 | so I've had a few ideas, but they end up being so weird that we don't end up testing what we think we're testing (and the tests could break in weird ways) | 20:38 |
| lifeless | pleia2: so, *tripleo* want to test the full path. | 20:39 |
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| lifeless | pleia2: one reason you've been steered at tripleo, I think, is so that you can kill two birds with one stone. | 20:39 |
| lifeless | pleia2: a) nova baremetal functional/integration test. b) tripleo boot-stack functional/integration test. | 20:39 |
| lifeless | pleia2: I'll let -infra folk weigh in on the relative importance of that, but... | 20:40 |
| pleia2 | yeah, and it also tests dib | 20:40 |
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| lifeless | pleia2: for my part, I think 'lets get /a/ test in place and upgrade it later' | 20:40 |
| pleia2 | (or, is potentially broken by dib :)) | 20:40 |
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| lifeless | now, in the absence of a test cloud with nested vm enabled.... which btw the grizzly POC rack could be setup | 20:40 |
| lifeless | or a bare metal test cloud | 20:41 |
| lifeless | we're going to have nested KVM for the baremetal node you boot | 20:41 |
| lifeless | we don't have to have nested KVM for the boot-stack node. | 20:41 |
| lifeless | SpamapS: oh, I may have misinterpreted you.... | 20:41 |
| pleia2 | so my thought was to spin up 3 hpcloud/rackspace instances | 20:41 |
| lifeless | pleia2: we could run the boot-stack image in lxc perhaps. | 20:41 |
| lifeless | SpamapS: ^ is that what you meant ? | 20:42 |
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| pleia2 | one would be what usually is physical hardware, then boot-stack then the baremetal node, but those are all public machines, not a private lan where they all talk | 20:42 |
| lifeless | I don't think it will buy you anything | 20:43 |
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| pleia2 | yeah, it's a mess | 20:43 |
| lifeless | as they'll have to run a VPN to get the layer 2 network to do PXE | 20:43 |
| lifeless | and that implies nested KVM on each machine | 20:43 |
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| lifeless | except the boot-stack on; but - see lxc. | 20:43 |
| lifeless | sp, SpamapS is afk ;). I'll riff | 20:43 |
| lifeless | use dib to build a boot-stack image. loopback mount it and lxc boot it - no nested kvm | 20:44 |
| pleia2 | hah, so lxc container inside the hpcloud instance? | 20:44 |
| lifeless | we document 'use kvm to boot the seed cloud' | 20:44 |
| lifeless | we can also document 'use lxc to boot the seed cloud', just as well | 20:44 |
| lifeless | bmnodes will still be nested kvm | 20:44 |
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| lifeless | and you'll still have a br99 or whatever between the bm nodes and eth1 in the boot-stack container. | 20:45 |
| SpamapS | sorry yeah had local interrupt | 20:45 |
| pleia2 | well, qemu, right? | 20:45 |
| pleia2 | since we can't do nested kvm | 20:45 |
| lifeless | pleia2: ack | 20:45 |
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| SpamapS | lifeless: and yes I meant run boot-stack in lxc | 20:45 |
| lifeless | SpamapS: so yeah, I misinterpreted you :(. | 20:45 |
| lifeless | SpamapS: argue more, dammit! | 20:45 |
| SpamapS | lifeless: I was mid-argument when wife needed muscles | 20:46 |
| lifeless | doh! | 20:47 |
| lifeless | pleia2: what do you think ? | 20:47 |
| pleia2 | ok, so instead of booting boot-stack as a kvm instance, we make it lxc (can lxc boot qcow2?), right? | 20:47 |
| pleia2 | then we just create the bmnode as usual (except with qemu rather than kvm) | 20:47 |
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| NobodyCam | just I run boot-stack setup on three virtual box vms, dib,boot-stack,bm-node.... no nested vms at all | 20:48 |
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| NobodyCam | *justFYI* | 20:48 |
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| lifeless | NobodyCam: those are nested when your host is a cloud instance | 20:48 |
| lifeless | NobodyCam: thats the issue | 20:48 |
| pleia2 | yeah, we're doing this on a public cloud | 20:48 |
| lifeless | pleia2: yes. And qemu-nbd can loopback mount qcow2. | 20:48 |
| pleia2 | lifeless: ok, cool | 20:48 |
| pleia2 | ok, I have a plan, thanks lifeless and SpamapS | 20:49 |
| lifeless | cool | 20:49 |
| pleia2 | (now to learn more about lxc :)) | 20:49 |
| lifeless | #topic open discussion | 20:49 |
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| lifeless | anything? | 20:50 |
| SpamapS | so many bugs | 20:50 |
| SpamapS | so little time :) | 20:50 |
| SpamapS | (I think that may mean tripleo is healthy) | 20:50 |
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| SpamapS | oh | 20:51 |
| lifeless | MORE PEOPLEZ PLEAHSE | 20:51 |
| SpamapS | os-config-applier is now os-apply-config | 20:51 |
| SpamapS | also I was thinking o-a-c should have a way to reference instance metadata the same way it references heat metadata. | 20:52 |
| lifeless | mmm | 20:52 |
| lifeless | what about a thing to suck instance metadata down to disk as json | 20:52 |
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| lifeless | and oac unions in some well defined manner multiple json files? | 20:53 |
| SpamapS | yeah thats the way I was thinking of doing it actually. | 20:53 |
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| SpamapS | local_ip = {{instance_metadata.private_ip}} or something like that. | 20:53 |
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| lifeless | sob, you want to kill my sed ?:) | 20:54 |
| lifeless | should we namespace the heat variables too ? | 20:54 |
| lifeless | {{heat.goo}} ? | 20:54 |
| SpamapS | Yeah thats what pops into my head as well | 20:54 |
| lifeless | so | 20:55 |
| SpamapS | though another thought is to just reserve some namespaces | 20:55 |
| lifeless | what I was thinking was that neither was namespaced | 20:55 |
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| lifeless | and we define what happens on conflicts in a formal predictable manner | 20:55 |
| sthakkar | hey guys | 20:55 |
| lifeless | so that you can locally override something | 20:55 |
| lifeless | sthakkar: hi ? | 20:55 |
| * mestery thinks sthakkar is early for the next meeting. :) | 20:56 | |
| sthakkar | mestery is right. sorry guys :) | 20:56 |
| SpamapS | lifeless: well I will put together a bug about the need for access to metadata.. the design can come later. | 20:56 |
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| lifeless | ok, so I think thats a wrap then. | 20:57 |
| lifeless | last call | 20:57 |
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| lifeless | #endmeeting | 20:57 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jun 3 20:57:57 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:57 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tripleo/2013/tripleo.2013-06-03-20.00.html | 20:58 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tripleo/2013/tripleo.2013-06-03-20.00.txt | 20:58 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tripleo/2013/tripleo.2013-06-03-20.00.log.html | 20:58 |
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| markmcclain | hello | 21:00 |
| armax | hello | 21:00 |
| salv-orlando | aloha | 21:00 |
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| mestery | howdy! | 21:00 |
| danwent | hi | 21:00 |
| gongysh | hi | 21:00 |
| nati_ueno | hello! | 21:00 |
| rkukura | hi | 21:00 |
| salv-orlando | armax: moon-ez | 21:01 |
| shiv | hi all | 21:01 |
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| asadoughi | hi | 21:01 |
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| Swami | hi | 21:02 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hi all! | 21:02 |
| markvoelker | o/ | 21:02 |
| emagana | Hola!! | 21:02 |
| mlavalle | que onda!! | 21:02 |
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| markmcclain | ok.. looks like we're missing garyk, arosen, and marun | 21:03 |
| emagana | more spanish!! muy bien! | 21:03 |
| markmcclain | hopefully they'll join soon | 21:03 |
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| markmcclain | #startmeeting Networking | 21:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jun 3 21:03:28 2013 UTC. The chair is markmcclain. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:03 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking' | 21:03 |
| danwent | armax: you're closest to arosen, can you kick him :) | 21:03 |
| markmcclain | haha | 21:03 |
| armax | hang on :) | 21:03 |
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| markmcclain | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Network/Meetings | 21:04 |
| armax | done | 21:04 |
| gongysh | what a long leg ... | 21:04 |
| arosen | Hi | 21:04 |
| armax | :) | 21:04 |
| * salv-orlando if my leg was 6,000 miles long I could have kicked him | 21:04 | |
| dkehn | hi | 21:04 |
| maroh_1 | hi | 21:04 |
| markmcclain | any changes to the agenda before we get going? | 21:05 |
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| markmcclain | #topic Announcements | 21:05 |
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| markmcclain | #info H1 was released last week | 21:05 |
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| garyk | hi, all | 21:06 |
| markmcclain | H1 included the initial work commit for ML2 | 21:06 |
| markmcclain | if you have some spare cycles take a moment to test the builds and report back any findings | 21:06 |
| markmcclain | H2 will be released July 18th | 21:07 |
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| amotoki | hi all | 21:07 |
| markmcclain | #link https://launchpad.net/quantum/+milestone/havana-2 | 21:07 |
| markmcclain | we have 50 blueprints targeted | 21:07 |
| markmcclain | and is way over our normal velocity | 21:07 |
| * salv-orlando is having a laugh | 21:07 | |
| markmcclain | I'd like to ask that the subteam leads take a look through the H2 blueprint list and refine the items that need to be in H2 | 21:08 |
| markmcclain | also we have glut of Medium blueprints | 21:08 |
| markmcclain | With that let's run through the sub teams reports | 21:09 |
| markmcclain | #topic API | 21:09 |
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| salv-orlando | hello | 21:10 |
| salv-orlando | nothing major to report if not that we've merged a few patches. | 21:10 |
| salv-orlando | I will refine blueprints targeting H-2 as suggested by markmcclain | 21:10 |
| salv-orlando | and unless I've missed it, we do not have any major bug | 21:11 |
| markmcclain | ok.. cool | 21:11 |
| gongysh | we need more testing to find some | 21:12 |
| markmcclain | we've got one bug I've highlighted, but we can talk about it when we talk Nova | 21:12 |
| markmcclain | Any questions for salv-orlando? | 21:13 |
| salv-orlando | gongysh: yeah the API lacks coverage especially when it comes to scale and performance | 21:13 |
| salv-orlando | but that involves several components, not just the API layer. | 21:13 |
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| markmcclain | marun is also work on improving the API test coverage too | 21:14 |
| markmcclain | #topic VPNaaS | 21:14 |
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| markmcclain | nati_ueno: how are things progressing | 21:15 |
| mlavalle | markmcclain: we are doing our bit with Tempest also | 21:15 |
| markmcclain | looks like StrongSwan is back? | 21:15 |
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| markmcclain | mlavalle: good point | 21:15 |
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| markmcclain | nati_ueno: around? | 21:16 |
| markmcclain | We'll skip to Nova and come back to VPN when he returns | 21:17 |
| markmcclain | #topic Nova | 21:17 |
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| nati_ueno | hi | 21:17 |
| nati_ueno | sorry | 21:17 |
| nati_ueno | May I report it ? | 21:17 |
| markmcclain | nati_ueno: sure | 21:17 |
| nati_ueno | VPN has two important bp for H2 | 21:17 |
| nati_ueno | markmcclain: Thanks | 21:17 |
| nati_ueno | [1] CRUD API and DB model for IPSec https://blueprints.launchpad.net/quantum/+spec/vpnaas-python-apis | 21:18 |
| nati_ueno | In review | 21:18 |
| nati_ueno | Quantum Advanced Service Plugin for VPNaas (Patchset 5) https://review.openstack.org/#/c/29812/ | 21:18 |
| nati_ueno | Quantum Client for VPNaaS (Patchset 3) https://review.openstack.org/#/c/29811/ | 21:18 |
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| nati_ueno | [2] Agent Impl https://blueprints.launchpad.net/quantum/+spec/ipsec-vpn-reference | 21:18 |
| nati_ueno | About to finish investigation. I'm start implementing | 21:18 |
| nati_ueno | As mark said, it looks like we can use strongswan | 21:18 |
| nati_ueno | using nswrap script by Francois | 21:19 |
| nati_ueno | That's all from me | 21:19 |
| markmcclain | cool.. thanks for the update | 21:19 |
| markmcclain | any VPNaaS questions? | 21:20 |
| garyk | MarkAtwood: there is an open review for the host parameter to the plugin | 21:20 |
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| garyk | MarkAtwood: i saw Nova | 21:21 |
| garyk | markmcclain: we talking about nova now? | 21:21 |
| markmcclain | yes | 21:21 |
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| markmcclain | garyk: you're talking about the extension to notify quantum of the host? | 21:22 |
| garyk | markmcclain: yes. i'll post the review in a sec | 21:22 |
| markmcclain | ok | 21:22 |
| garyk | markmcclain: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/29767/ | 21:22 |
| garyk | this is really holding back the multi host feature | 21:22 |
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| gongysh | we need some core review on nova side | 21:23 |
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| markmcclain | right.. let me work on getting Nova cores to review it | 21:24 |
| gongysh | great | 21:24 |
| garyk | markmcclain: thanks | 21:24 |
| markmcclain | I also wanted to ask who can look into this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/quantum/+bug/1160442 | 21:25 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1160442 in quantum "when boot many vms with quantum, nova sometimes allocates two quantum ports rather than one" [High,Incomplete] | 21:25 |
| garyk | markmcclain: this is on my to do list for tomorrow. | 21:25 |
| emagana | markmcclain: I was able to reproduce that one | 21:25 |
| markmcclain | ok.. also looks like arosen has been digging into to it too | 21:25 |
| arosen | I've actually seen this occur on our cloud too but haven't had time to track it down :/ | 21:26 |
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| emagana | markmcclain: suppose to provide more logs to arosen and gary | 21:26 |
| markmcclain | emagana: ok.. thanks for posting the first set | 21:26 |
| arosen | I was supprised emagana was able to reproduce this with just one HV. I haven't been able to do that. | 21:26 |
| garyk | markmcclain: arosen emagana: i'll work on this tomorrow. | 21:26 |
| emagana | just got stuck into tasks but I will update the launchpad page | 21:26 |
| gongysh | it seems we have already minds on it before I want to jump in. | 21:27 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | i had earlier posted the logs in the launchpad anwers | 21:27 |
| SumitNaiksatam | difficult to figure out with just the logs | 21:27 |
| SumitNaiksatam | need to put debug statement | 21:27 |
| markmcclain | ok.. I just wanted to make sure we've got folks working on it as it's current rated high | 21:28 |
| markmcclain | garyk: any update on Nova migration? | 21:28 |
| garyk | markmcclain: sorry, no. | 21:28 |
| markmcclain | ok | 21:29 |
| markmcclain | Any other Nova items? | 21:29 |
| garyk | markmcclain: there is a little update which may be worth exploring | 21:29 |
| markmcclain | sure.. what's the update? | 21:29 |
| garyk | markmcclain: it may be libvirt centric, but there may be a flag in libvirt whcih can be set which can enable a tap device to be moved from a linux bridge to an open vswitch. | 21:30 |
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| garyk | markmcclain: i need to investigate a little more. if so then mabe we need to move that support to nova and later this be leveraged to enable a migration. | 21:30 |
| garyk | it is still early days | 21:30 |
| markmcclain | oh cool.. that would help out | 21:31 |
| markmcclain | #topic Security Groups | 21:31 |
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| markmcclain | arosen: any updates? | 21:31 |
| arosen | no updates from me | 21:31 |
| markmcclain | alright | 21:31 |
| markmcclain | #topic FWaaS | 21:32 |
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| markmcclain | SumitNaiksatam: quick update? | 21:32 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hi | 21:32 |
| SumitNaiksatam | more progress in the past week | 21:32 |
| SumitNaiksatam | RajeshMohan has posted a patch for the iptables driver for the ref impl | 21:32 |
| SumitNaiksatam | KC has started work on client and CLI | 21:32 |
| markmcclain | cool | 21:32 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i need to do more work on the API patch | 21:33 |
| markmcclain | ok | 21:33 |
| SumitNaiksatam | both iptables driver and cli is being documented in the same fwaas google doc as before: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1PJaKvsX2MzMRlLGfR0fBkrMraHYF0flvl0sqyZ704tA | 21:33 |
| SumitNaiksatam | RajeshMohan: u there for an update? | 21:33 |
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| RajeshMohan | you covered it all - nothing from me | 21:33 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ok, i think there is good info in the google doc | 21:34 |
| SumitNaiksatam | pl check and comment | 21:34 |
| gongysh | is the link in the BP desc? | 21:34 |
| SumitNaiksatam | we might have to rework the review patch since it currently is not based off the API patch | 21:34 |
| SumitNaiksatam | gongysh: yeah, its in the bp | 21:34 |
| SumitNaiksatam | we are actually using the same google doc that we used for the other fwaas bp | 21:35 |
| gongysh | ok, I don't want to scan the meeting log to find the doc. | 21:35 |
| SumitNaiksatam | just want to make sure that we find all info in one place | 21:35 |
| RajeshMohan | The description for IPTables BP has the li nk | 21:35 |
| markmcclain | SumitNaiksatam: ok | 21:35 |
| SumitNaiksatam | thats the quick update | 21:35 |
| markmcclain | SumitNaiksatam: can you update the blueprint assignees with person leading the dev work? right now you're still listed for a few of them | 21:36 |
| SumitNaiksatam | yeah, i will be posting patches for those (plugin and agent) | 21:36 |
| SumitNaiksatam | other bps already assigned | 21:36 |
| markmcclain | oh.. I that was farmed out to others on the team | 21:36 |
| amotoki | SumitNaiksatam: gongysh: each BP has the spec link, but there is no list which covers all of FWaaS.... It is better to have a summary page. | 21:36 |
| markmcclain | we're good then | 21:36 |
| SumitNaiksatam | plugin and agent might be smaller patches so i was thinning of rolling them into the api patch, might make it easier to test | 21:37 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | amotoki: summary page is already present | 21:38 |
| SumitNaiksatam | just finding the link, one sec | 21:38 |
| markmcclain | yeah it nicer to be able to test end to end | 21:38 |
| markmcclain | I think the summary is here: | 21:38 |
| markmcclain | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/quantum/+spec/quantum-fwaas | 21:38 |
| SumitNaiksatam | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Quantum/FWaaS/HavanaPlan | 21:39 |
| SumitNaiksatam | markmcclain: thanks, that too | 21:39 |
| markmcclain | ok any other FWaaS questions? | 21:39 |
| amotoki | SumitNaiksatam: thanks, good summary! | 21:39 |
| markmcclain | SumitNaiksatam: thanks for the update | 21:40 |
| markmcclain | #topic LBaaS | 21:40 |
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| markmcclain | LBaaS is bit behind schedule | 21:40 |
| markmcclain | to get back on track the team is going to focus on getting this blueprint done | 21:41 |
| markmcclain | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/quantum/+spec/multi-vendor-support-for-lbaas-step0 | 21:41 |
| markmcclain | once this step is complete others who want to write drivers will have stable base to work from | 21:41 |
| markmcclain | This is currently in review: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/28245/ | 21:41 |
| markmcclain | Also once this step is complete, LBaaS team will resume working on some of the other items on on the roadmap | 21:42 |
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| markmcclain | Any LBaaS questions? | 21:42 |
| nati_ueno | Is there any conclusion for inherit VS composition ? | 21:42 |
| garyk | i have started t review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/28245/ | 21:42 |
| garyk | once again i am sleeping. i have a really minor nit with the last pacth | 21:43 |
| markmcclain | composition is something we really should look at, but we need to do this on a project wide basis | 21:43 |
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| nati_ueno | markmcclain: I agree. so this is related to VPN code also. We should do composition in new code ? or wait some big refactoring? | 21:44 |
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| markmcclain | I expect there is going to be some necessary refactoring | 21:44 |
| gongysh | all mixin into components? | 21:44 |
| markmcclain | that is ahead in the future for us to align with the other projects that moving to Pecan & WSME | 21:45 |
| markmcclain | the current wsgi framework which we inherited is planned for deprecation in Oslo and other projects | 21:45 |
| markmcclain | I expect to talk about this in Hong Kong more than what we touched on in Portland | 21:45 |
| markmcclain | nati_ueno: to answer your question specifically, I think we should strive to be consistent for now | 21:46 |
| nati_ueno | so you are expecting we will work on the refactoring in next release? | 21:46 |
| nati_ueno | markmcclain: OK so we should choose inherit for now? | 21:46 |
| markmcclain | the nice thing about drivers is that we should be able to refactor with minimal disruption to vendor impls | 21:46 |
| salv-orlando | nati_ueno: I think the gist of the discussion is: whatever you choose there's going to a major refactoring (likely to happen over 2 release cycles) | 21:47 |
| markmcclain | nati_ueno: refactoring will be a large task | 21:47 |
| nati_ueno | I got it | 21:48 |
| markmcclain | salv-orlando is correct.. this will be a long term process | 21:48 |
| markmcclain | #topic ML2 | 21:48 |
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| rkukura | the initial ml2 code was merged, but we still need core reviewers for the devstack patch: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/27576/ | 21:49 |
| rkukura | without this, the ml2 plugin isn't going to get sufficient testing as various merges change it | 21:50 |
| markmcclain | garyk: can you take a look at it? | 21:50 |
| garyk | markmcclain: sure | 21:50 |
| markmcclain | thanks! | 21:50 |
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| markmcclain | Any other ML2 updates? | 21:51 |
| rkukura | salv-orlando had looked at an earlier version, so I'd appreciate if he takes another look | 21:51 |
| nati_ueno | so new feature for ovs and linuxbridge plugin should go to ml2? | 21:51 |
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| salv-orlando | rkukura: np. That patch worked well for me. | 21:51 |
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| markmcclain | nati_ueno: ideally once we're at fully parity yes | 21:51 |
| gongysh | will we set ML2 plugin as default one in devstack? | 21:51 |
| rkukura | To get to full parity, we need https://blueprints.launchpad.net/quantum/+spec/ml2-gre | 21:52 |
| nati_ueno | markmcclain: so kyle is going to add VXLan for ovs, this work should go to ml2 or not? | 21:52 |
| markmcclain | gongysh: eventually yes.. as there will be only one OpenSource plugin | 21:52 |
| nati_ueno | rkukura: ah I got it, after the ml2-gre, we will quit to get new feature for ovs and linuxbridge. | 21:52 |
| rkukura | I've been focusing on trying to make sure the agent side of the various tunnel-related work will all work with ml2 | 21:53 |
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| markmcclain | nati_ueno: there will be a few bits of overlap | 21:53 |
| rkukura | So there is vxlan work going on right now for both agents, plus work on partial mesh and l2-population | 21:53 |
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| rkukura | All of these potentially effect the tunnel management RPCs that ml2 needs to implement for gre | 21:54 |
| markmcclain | the vxlan work for the current plugin is relatively small | 21:54 |
| nati_ueno | markmcclain: rkukura: OK please let me know when we quit to add new feature for ovs and lb. | 21:54 |
| markmcclain | I think it makes sense to still review it | 21:54 |
| rkukura | Its been suggested to have a weekly IRC meeting on all this | 21:54 |
| markmcclain | rkukura: do we need a weekly meeting | 21:55 |
| rkukura | Also, I filed 5 BPs today for H-2 | 21:55 |
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| markmcclain | or one time meeting to get the next steps organized and then move back to the ML? | 21:55 |
| markmcclain | *mailing list | 21:55 |
| rkukura | We can't do all that without more people involved, so a weekly meeting might make sense | 21:55 |
| markmcclain | k | 21:56 |
| rkukura | Of the BPs, only the GRE one is high priority | 21:56 |
| markmcclain | ok | 21:56 |
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| markmcclain | Anything else? | 21:56 |
| rkukura | So I'd really like to get names on most of these soon, or take them off h-2 | 21:56 |
| gongysh | Why is GRE so different? | 21:56 |
| rkukura | that covers it for now - see the agenda for links, etc. | 21:57 |
| rkukura | GRE is needed for parity right now. | 21:57 |
| gongysh | I mean the implementation | 21:57 |
| markmcclain | gongysh: we'll have to talk about GRE offline as we're running short on time | 21:57 |
| rkukura | There's a BP for VXLAN, which would be needed for parity if it gets in openvswitch first | 21:57 |
| gongysh | ok | 21:57 |
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| markmcclain | #topic CLI | 21:58 |
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| markmcclain | A tarball for 2.2.2a was created last week | 21:58 |
| gongysh | I still cannot see it in https://pypi.python.org/pypi/python-quantumclient | 21:58 |
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| gongysh | any problems found with the tarball? | 21:58 |
| markmcclain | gongysh: since it was tagged as an alpha | 21:58 |
| markmcclain | it won't show up in PYPI | 21:59 |
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| markmcclain | http://tarballs.openstack.org/python-quantumclient/python-quantumclient-2.2.2a.tar.gz | 21:59 |
| markmcclain | is the link for folks that want to test | 21:59 |
| markmcclain | I hope to push it out to PyPI later today | 21:59 |
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| markmcclain | #topic Testing | 22:00 |
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| markmcclain | mlavalle: Quick update? | 22:00 |
| mlavalle | I will send an email to the ML with what will be delivered for Havana in Tempest | 22:00 |
| mlavalle | this week | 22:00 |
| markmcclain | awesome.. we'll be on the lookout for it | 22:01 |
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| markmcclain | #topic Horizon | 22:01 |
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| mlavalle | I am also cleaning up gate-tempest-devstack-vm-quantum-full | 22:01 |
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| mlavalle | and I need help from arisen this week | 22:01 |
| mlavalle | arosen | 22:01 |
| arosen | mlavalle: sure. If this on the security group stuff and ping? | 22:02 |
| markmcclain | cool.. will this make the gate more stable? | 22:02 |
| mlavalle | yes, security groups | 22:02 |
| arosen | mlavalle: lets talk in #openstack-dev after and i'm happy to help. | 22:02 |
| nati_ueno | markmcclain++ | 22:02 |
| nati_ueno | mlavalle: let's me help too | 22:02 |
| mlavalle | arosen: ;-) | 22:02 |
| mlavalle | nati_ueno: ;-) | 22:02 |
| markmcclain | amotoki: Looks like you've got assignees for the Quantum related blueprints in Horizon | 22:03 |
| amotoki | yes. i updated Wiki. no big progress from last week. H-2 started, so i will check the target and progress of each blueprint this week. | 22:03 |
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| amotoki | that's all from me this week. | 22:03 |
| markmcclain | great.. thanks for the update | 22:04 |
| markmcclain | #topic Open Discussion | 22:05 |
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| garyk | i am going to crash. good night all | 22:05 |
| nati_ueno | markmcclain: IMO, we should also manage service framework progress | 22:05 |
| markmcclain | garyk: night | 22:05 |
| nati_ueno | garyk: have a good dream :) | 22:05 |
| emagana | ciao ciao | 22:06 |
| markmcclain | thanks for the all of the hard work on H1 | 22:06 |
| markmcclain | next week we'll look that blueprints since 50 is way too many | 22:07 |
| markmcclain | have a great week everyone | 22:07 |
| markmcclain | #endmeeting | 22:07 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jun 3 22:07:41 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:07 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2013/networking.2013-06-03-21.03.html | 22:07 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2013/networking.2013-06-03-21.03.txt | 22:07 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2013/networking.2013-06-03-21.03.log.html | 22:07 |
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