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sdagueok, who's around for the tempest meeting?17:00
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* tkammer present17:00
sdague#startmeeting qa17:00
openstackMeeting started Thu Jun  6 17:00:59 2013 UTC.  The chair is sdague. Information about MeetBot at
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.17:01
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mlavalleI am17:01
sdagueok, lets get running on agenda17:01
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sdague#topic Bug Day Roundup17:02
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sdagueso I think that went very well yesterday17:02
afazekasnice :)17:02
sdaguereally nice to get the bug tracker into some kind of shape17:02
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sdagueand I want to thank everyone for participating, and kashyap for organizing17:02
sdaguewe basically got everything out of new state17:03
sdagueand got some bugs fixed17:03
sdagueand got more eyes on the tracker, so success over all :)17:03
sdagueanyone else with comments from the day?17:03
sdagueok, we'll take that as a no :)17:04
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sdague#topic Blueprints17:04
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sdagueas per past weeks, if you have blueprints that you have status updates for, could you please put an #info out about it?17:05
sdaguemtreinish I assigned you the testr one which was hanging out under me :)17:05
sdague#info now being driven by mtreinish17:05
mtreinishsdague: yeah I just noticed that, not a problem17:06
sdagueafazekas: that sounds like a good blueprint17:06
sdagueare you going to be tackling it?17:06
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afazekasmtreinish: can you update the wiki ,  it just half complete17:06
afazekassdague: yes17:07
mtreinishafazekas: sure, I can do that17:07
sdagueafazekas: when you do resource tracking like that, it would be nice if it wasn't just at the start and end of tempest, but also after each test17:07
sdagueso we can guage the resource consumptions, leaks of the tests individually as well17:07
afazekasit has high cost17:08
sdagueafazekas: do you have a milestone target for it?17:08
sdagueafazekas: does it? to just list the resources and quotas?17:08
afazekasI want to create script which runs the test cases individually with the tracker17:08
sdagueafazekas: ok, cool.17:08
afazekasIf it will be gating, change cannot pass with a leak introduction17:09
sdagueafazekas: milestone target I should set for it?17:09
sdagueafazekas: so if you just want to solve the gate issue, it's actually much easier17:09
afazekaswhen will be the H2 release ?17:09
sdaguebecause we know there shouldn't be any resources on that machine17:09
sdagueH2 is middle of July17:09
sdaguethe 17th I think17:10
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sdagueso should I mark this for h2?17:10
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sdague#info added as h2 blueprint17:11
sdaguegreat, other blueprint updates?17:11
tkammerI would like to propose:
* afazekas I will think about adding similar things to the setUP and tearDown as well.17:11
kashyapAlso thanks to all the guys who did more triaging17:12
sdaguetkammer: ok, before more new blueprints, it would be nice to see about existing ones17:12
tkammersdague, sorry, still new here, learning the procedures as I go :)17:12
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sdaguedavidkranz: update here
sdagueravikumar_hp: how about your BPs?17:13
davidkranzsdague: There is not that much more to do but I am not sure when I will be able to get to it.17:13
sdaguedavidkranz: ok17:13
sdagueShree-HP: how about your BPs?17:14
afazekasgrep ERROR /opt/stack/screen-logs/screen-n-cpu.log | wc -l17:14
afazekasI still see errors in the nova log without an ERROR17:14
sdagueafazekas: well ERRORs in nova are probably ok in some conditions17:15
davidkranzafazekas: Yes, running the stress tests will not be so useful until the logs are clean.17:15
Shree-HP<sdague> We will be submitting our test in next few days, I have moved all my BP to H2 and H3 for now17:15
sdagueShree-HP: could you please assign the bps to whoever is actually doing them?17:16
sdagueand people working on blueprints should be in the #openstack-qa channel to discuss things :)17:16
Shree-HPI am doing it actually . But as u might know we were waiting for HP internal approval for openstack submission17:16
sdagueok, I think that's all the folks I know in this channel with active blueprints17:17
Shree-HPwill follow-up in openstack-qa channel17:17
sdaguenext up, tkammer your turn17:17
tkammersdague, thanks17:17
sdagueso I think that blueprint needs more details to be something that is doable17:17
tkammer :)17:18
sdaguewe like to have blueprints that are something that you can declare as "done"17:18
sdagueok :)17:18
dwallecksdague: ++. Interesting concept, but not sure what the outputs would be17:18
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tkammerI gave an example of what I mean with the encapsulation in the wiki page17:19
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tkammerI think it shouldn't be too much trouble to implement17:19
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sdaguetkammer: so I'm concerned for tempest/api that it actually goes against what we are trying to do17:19
tkammersdague, what do you mean?17:19
sdaguebecause we don't want people to be changing the underlying apis willy nilly17:19
RAX-SamIt sounds like you guys are talking about what we have done with Models in Open/CloudCafe17:20
sdagueit could be, maybe we should take it to the mailing list for discussion?17:20
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tkammerthat's a good idea, I think encapsulation of things can be a good first step to reuse of code17:21
sdaguesure, I think we just want to be cautious about hiding away what the tests are doing too much from a reviewability perspective, but I think a good ML discussion will get us to the right place17:22
afazekasI think it just helps in the user management, but it can help a lot there17:22
sdaguesounds good17:22
sdague#action tkammer to kick of ML thread on BP proposal17:22
tkammerwill do :)17:23
sdaguecool, we'll discuss there with examples and such17:23
sdagueok, any other blueprint things?17:23
sdague#topic Critical reviews17:23
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sdagueok, now is the time to pimp reviews that you think haven't gotten enough attention17:24
sdagueanyone have reviews they want people to look at?17:24
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sdaguegoing once...17:24
kashyapfyi: "git-review -l" gives all the reviews on CLI17:24
sdaguegoing twice...17:25
sdagueok, we'll assume we are keeping up well at the moment17:25
sdague#topic QA Docs17:25
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sdagueso we now have a docs job as part of the tempest gate, and docs get published there on every commit17:26
sdagueso increasing help there would be appreciated :)17:26
sdagueI tried to correct some of the biggest accuracies with the READMEs but I'm sure some are still there17:27
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sdagueok, moving forward17:27
sdague#topic Tempest/Flake8/testr issues17:27
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afazekassdague: where is the hacking rules on that site?17:27
sdagueafazekas: they aren't17:28
sdaguewe should probably do something on that17:28
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afazekasI would like to add some exception handling guideline17:28
sdagueafazekas: ok, great!17:28
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sdagueyou can add files to tempest/doc/source17:29
sdagueand they will publish there17:29
afazekasthx, I'll check it next week.17:29
sdague#action afazekas to add exception handling guidelines to docs17:29
sdagueok, so onto the Tempest / Flake8 / testr issues17:29
sdagueI didn't add that to the agenda, so whoever did, you want to lead the discussion?17:30
sdagueok, I gues we're moving on to open discussion :)17:32
sdague#topic Open Discussion17:32
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sdagueok, any other topics from folks?17:32
afazekasmay be the esiest way to workaround to issue to add --safe option to the flake817:32
jhennerI have some topic17:32
sdaguejhenner: go for it17:32
afazekasOr it should not check for those rules whan it is not en the explicitly enforced rule set17:32
afazekasThe other way is solving it similar as I wanted long time ago17:33
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sdagueafazekas: the other way broke on mac though, right?17:33
afazekasBut instead of ising the imp module, we need to implement a module finder which works as the python's on every supported os17:34
afazekasthat thing "working" in vary strange way on mac17:34
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sdagueyeh, so if someone signs up for that solution and gets it in hacking, that would be cool. Honestly I expect that testr and fixtures are going to cause other changes that affect it anyway17:34
sdaguejhenner: what's your topic?17:34
afazekasI would say it is bug on the mac python, but ..17:35
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jhennerWe (RedHat) may want to add some script which would take as an input an answer file from our installation tool and prepared the stack and Tempest for run17:35
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jhennerpsedlak_: you came just in time17:35
jhennerwould someone had something against?17:35
sdaguejhenner: ok, is that something you think goes in tempest, or like devstack, where the config tool is in the installer?17:35
afazekasjhenner:  ?17:36
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jhennerpackstack is the deploying tool. It can take answer file as it's input17:36
jhennerwe could use the same answer file to fill the stack with some images and generate tempest.conf17:37
jhennerand users17:37
jhennerthat would be it17:37
sdaguejhenner: ok, is there a reason not to put the tool in packstack?17:37
sdagueI'm just wondering17:37
sdagueand what does this answer file look like?17:37
sdaguemaybe this would be a good ML topic as well, so examples could be given17:38
jhennersdague: Well, it feels like probably it should be separate thing to be honest.17:38
psedlak_imho steps which are in devstack could be shared also with our tools, and probably used by others who will want to do the same17:38
psedlak_like the image creation and so on, those things will be the same17:38
jhennerpsedlak_: yep, we would need the iniset17:38
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afazekasjhenner: IMHO: if you have the admin credentials in your environment,  you can get all info for tempest prepare in any env17:39
jhennerafazekas: db passwords?17:40
psedlak_answer file contains OPT = value, as they can be seen on that page17:40
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afazekasjhenner: .my.cnf or read it from the service conf17:40
sdagueok, so let's take this into the mailing list?17:40
jhennersdague: ok17:40
sdague#action jhenner to start discussion on ML on tempest config tool for packstack17:41
psedlakbtw - who replaced the agenda?17:41
psedlakah i see sdague :)17:42
sdaguepsedlak: did I break something? :)17:42
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psedlakou, sorry my mistake, it's not replaced ... too much work today probably :)17:42
sdagueok, other open discussion items?17:42
psedlakdid I missed that flake8/testr topic?17:42
jhennerpsedlak: yep17:43
sdaguepsedlak: we can do it now17:43
sdaguego for it17:43
psedlakwell i would like to now what possibilies to fix it we have17:43
psedlakand if anyone is pursuing them17:43
psedlak*/any of them17:44
psedlakas in that mail17:44
psedlakand following messages17:44
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psedlakyeah, i missed it i see, but if we can do it now ... (do we have time?)17:45
psedlakthose emails ... it was mentioned that it should be moved to meeting17:45
psedlakbut it never was17:45
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psedlakso does anyone know what is the state of this issue?17:46
sdaguepsedlak: so I think with mtreinish looking into what will change with fixtures, we might move the problem around again17:46
sdaguemaybe it just is worth seeing what falls out of that first17:47
mpavlaseI have just tiny note, on the main wiki page with QATeamMeeting there is a typo... today isn't 8th but 6th June :-) If it would be noticed at some log etc. it should be fixed, otherwise let as it.17:47
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psedlaksdague: fixtures? they will solve config loading issue?17:48
ravikumar_hpsdague: sorry . I got struck up in some urgent work . Will check BPs that are pending17:48
sdaguepsedlak: they will move the problem of loading the config17:49
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sdaguewhether they fix it is a whole other thing :)17:49
afazekaspsedlak: they are just a nice abstractions over the setUp and tearDown17:49
psedlakhm, ok17:49
sdagueok, so anything else?17:50
psedlakwell, maybe ...17:51
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psedlakwould it be acceptable, to create new tempest/xy17:51
sdaguepsedlak: for what kind of things?17:51
psedlakfor specific/additional test for non devstack versions of openstack17:52
afazekaspsedlak: with little tweak they can be similar to the cafe 'bahavior'17:52
psedlaklike as RH has RDO (that packstack installer)17:52
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psedlakwe will need to create additional, packstack/RDO specific tests17:52
sdaguepsedlak: so tempest tests shouldn't be specific to an implementation17:53
psedlakand as there is 'thirdparty' ... for thirdparty (api) extensions ...17:53
psedlaksdague: so suggestion would be to keep them in separated repository ...17:53
sdagueI think an example would be helpful17:53
psedlakfor example check that log from installation done using packstack contains valid url to dashboard and that user can log-in using that url17:54
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sdagueyeh, I think that gets too implementation specific17:55
sdaguewe really want tempest to be able testing any cloud17:55
sdagueanyway, we're about at the end of the hour, so my suggestion is further topics should go back on #openstack-qa17:55
sdagueany last things from folks?17:56
sdagueok, thanks all17:57
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tkammergood day17:57
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bdpayne#startmeeting OpenStack Security Group18:01
openstackMeeting started Thu Jun  6 18:01:26 2013 UTC.  The chair is bdpayne. Information about MeetBot at
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'openstack_security_group'18:01
bdpaynetime for some security talk18:01
bdpayneBryan Payne from Nebula here18:01
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bdpaynewho else do we have today?18:01
rellerrellerNate from APL here18:02
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randy_perrymanRandy Perryman from Dell here (finally)18:02
bdpaynehi Nate18:02
bdpayneah, welcome Randy18:02
bdpayneany items that you guys would like to discuss today?18:03
rellerrellerNone from me18:03
randy_perrymannone from me18:03
bdpaynewell that's easy then :-)18:04
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bdpayneI have a few things, of course18:04
bdpaynefirst a quick update on the upcoming doc sprint… we now have someone APL joining in with the effort18:04
rellerrellerYes, I was glad to hear that18:05
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bdpaynethat rounds out the team, which also has people on it from Nebula, HP, RedHat, Intel, Paypal, Nicira, Rackspace, Cloudscaling, and Cloudpassage18:05
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bdpayneso, should be a really good group18:06
randy_perrymanGood mix of talent18:06
bdpayneWe say that the security impact tag on commits is working18:06
bdpayneThanks to the volume encryption commits from APL18:07
rellerrellerYour welcome18:07
bdpaynerellerreller You guys getting the feedback you need with those patches?18:07
rellerrellerWe are getting some.  I'm getting back up to speed as I was out for 3 weeks.18:07
bdpaynegot it18:07
rellerrellerI need to check on that later today.18:08
bdpayneI did review the code18:08
bdpayneIt looked fine to me, but I didn't mark +1 b/c I'm not as familiar with those pieces of the system18:08
bdpayneIf you'd like me to be more vocal on it at some point, just let me know18:08
rellerrellerWill do18:09
bdpayneSwitching gear here...18:09
bdpayneRob couldn't join today, but asked that we discussed OSSNs18:09
bdpaynethese are the openstack security notes18:10
bdpaynewe have published a few… basically general guidance on best practices for security deployment18:10
bdpayneRob was interested in brain storming some areas that we could discuss in future OSSNs18:10
bdpayneany thoughts?18:11
bdpayneFor example, what are some common OS security misconfigurations that we could help steer people away from?18:11
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bdpaynefor reference
rellerrellerHow is this different than the hardening guide?18:12
bdpayneclearly related18:12
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bdpaynethese will be more timely18:13
bdpayneeasier to push out quick advice as needed18:13
randy_perrymanMy question would be how basic18:13
bdpaynewhereas the hardening guide will cover more long living issues18:13
randy_perrymanie... ensuring the network configuration is correct, password security, etc...18:13
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bdpayneyeah, even the most simple things are probably useful18:14
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bdpayneesp if the best practices for cloud setup deviate from what you would do for a basic linux setup18:14
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bdpaynewhat network configurations would you guys typically suggest?18:14
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* bdpayne probes for information that might also be useful in the book :-)18:15
bdpaynepresuming that one shared network is bad18:15
randy_perrymanI was just thinking about on the Openstack admin guide "stories from teh cr**t" - the one about the nova.conf having a misconfugred vlan18:15
bdpayneah, yeah18:16
randy_perrymanvery basic18:16
bdpayneso, right, I'm guessing that most people use vlans here18:16
bdpaynephysical separate networks could work too, but incurs more h/w cost18:17
bdpayneand is ultimately less flexible18:17
bdpaynebut then vlan termination becomes something that matters18:17
bdpayneanyway, I imagine that we'll touch on these things in the book18:17
bdpaynefor the OSSNs, if you are aware of deployment decisions that people are making that are wrong, but perhaps just easier18:18
bdpayne…that could potentially be useful topics18:18
bdpaynewe also try to address things like configuring around security issues, if reasonable to do so18:19
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bdpaynefor example, we had one on restricting header sizes for https requests18:19
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randy_perrymangood point18:19
bdpaynewell, I'll leave it as an action item for us to be brainstorming such things18:20
bdpayne#action Think about future OSSN topics18:20
bdpayneok… any other topics for discussion today?18:20
malini1Any idea how the rpc encryption is going ?18:21
bdpaynehi malini1 :-)18:21
bdpayneI have not been tracking those discussions, unfortuantely18:21
bdpayneanyone else aware of the rpc work?18:22
bdpayne@ewindisch you around?18:22
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bdpaynewe were just curious where the rpc security work has landed18:23
bdpaynestill moving forward or ??18:23
ewindischbdpayne: good question...18:24
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malini1one review from Semo18:25
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ewindischI've been otherwise occupied since the overall community support seems to be around Simo - and I'm plenty busy enough as is.18:25
bdpayneok, I hadn't been following it that much18:25
bdpayneso community took Simo's path?18:25
malini1:-) Ah! I was wondering, because at the summit you presented and had not heard more from you on the mailing list18:26
bdpaynelooks like the PR is up there18:26
ewindischbut I should really work on a formal proposal for a CMS based solution18:26
bdpayneyeah, that'd be nice18:26
bdpayneI'll check out that review for Simo's work too18:26
malini1Simo at one point was talking to the key manager folks and did not want to introduce yet another service into the path18:26
ewindischbdpayne: I'd rather not log all my thoughts into meetingbot… :)18:26
bdpaynethanks ewindisch18:27
bdpayneewindisch happy to chat in PM sometime if you'd like18:27
ewindischsure - and we can chat when I see you later this month18:27
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malini1i too would like to learn more about your CMS18:27
bdpayneok, anything else for today?18:28
malini1i shall be out for two weeks, take care and fun summer18:28
bdpaynehave a nice trip malini118:28
ewindischnot really. I have a patch outstanding to do safe_log for ZeroMQ - passwords and tokens are leaking into logs at present18:28
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bdpayneI'm going to send a message to dev, but you should put "securityimpact" in the commit message for such things18:29
malini1keystone introduced a decorator to silence all things password with a fixed number of *18:29
bdpaynethat will help keep the security community engaged with reviewing such things18:29
ewindischbdpayne: will do. It is linked to a bug which is pretty clear in the impact18:30
bdpayneyeah, but that tag will send an email to the security list :-)18:30
malini1:-) that tag is powerful, wakes folksup18:30
bdpayneok, thanks everyone… have a great week18:31
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driptonIs anyone here for the DB meeting?19:00
driptonOkay, no DB meeting.19:01
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harlowja#startmetting state-management20:00
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openstackMeeting started Thu Jun  6 20:00:46 2013 UTC.  The chair is harlowja. Information about MeetBot at
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harlowjahi all!20:01
kchenweijiehey there20:01
harlowjahi hi20:01
harlowjaso agenda for those that are interested (and/or missed the email since it was sent out late)20:01
changblhey guys20:01
harlowjahi hi20:01
harlowjaoops wrong link20:02
harlowjamuch betta20:02
harlowjaso lots of newness this week!20:02
harlowja#topic where-everyone-is-at20:02
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harlowjajust want to see how everyone is doing, any goodness that is being produced20:03
changblI am reading your taskflow code20:03
harlowjai'm still working on the cinder review (anvil took 1.5 days away from me this week so far)20:03
harlowjai setup the launchpad site and a initial blueprints and bug (1)20:03
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harlowjajgriffith started looking over the review and seems like he's mostly happy (so far)20:04
harlowja#link (patch set 8)20:04
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harlowjahemna have you been looking at anything for H2?20:05
hemnaI've been slammed a bit20:05
hemnawe can chat offline if you like20:05
harlowjaall good20:05
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harlowjai also talked more with devananda about some usage in ironic, hoepfully taskflow can help out there20:06
hemnado you have the launchpad url ?20:06
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jlucci and
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hemnajlucci, thanks20:07
harlowjaso i think kchenweijie has been continuing on the db work, correct?20:07
kchenweijiethats right20:07
harlowjaand jlucci on the celery/distributed goods20:07
jlucci^^ distributed goods20:07
uvirtbotjlucci: Error: "^" is not a valid command.20:07
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harlowjaall cool stuff, awesome work!20:08
harlowja#topic launchpad20:08
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harlowjaas jlucci pointed out, there is a new taskflow site and dev group!20:08
changbl+1 jlucci20:09
harlowjait seems to be a good place to register what people are working on and bugs and such20:09
harlowjasound good to all?20:09
harlowjafeel free to join the group also20:09
harlowjai think its an open group20:09
harlowjaif not then let me know and i'll try to fix that setting :-p20:10
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hemnapending approval :P20:10
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harlowjahmmm, wonder why it can't be switched to open, well nm, either is fine i guess20:11
harlowja#action harlowja  investigate dev openness20:11
harlowjaso thats good stuff, nothing to exciting there :)20:12
harlowjaany questions about it, just bug me :-p20:12
harlowja#topic stackforge20:12
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harlowjaand we finally made it to stackforge!20:13
harlowjathe yahoo repo i removed so that we can not diverge there btw20:13
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harlowjaso u might have to adjust your git remote if u were connected to the other one20:13
harlowjajust fyi20:13
harlowjaif that doesn't work out, i can try to help there20:13
harlowjabut that allows us to use review.openstack.org20:14
harlowjaright now there are 4 core people, more are welcome if they feel like they want to help out20:14
harlowjajlucci devananda harlowja (and rohitk who isn't online)20:14
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harlowjai'd like to get hemna and other core members from involved teams in there, so they can have inputs (since the library will be used in there project)20:15
harlowjahemna would u want to be in there?20:15
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harlowjahemna u have been added20:16
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harlowjai guess we can follow somewhat of the normal process for core people, or keep it pretty simple for now20:16
harlowjathe whole voting thing someday maybe, lol20:17
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harlowjasound good?20:17
harlowjaalright, any questions on that before next topic?20:18
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harlowjagoing once, going twice, sold20:18
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harlowja#topic fsm-pattern20:19
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harlowjasooo right now there exists a set of patterns in the taskflow library that allow users of the library to structure there tasks in different sequences20:19
harlowja1 being a linear sequence (where a task can have inputs that are satisfied by a previous task, and output something for tasks 'down the line' to use)20:20
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harlowjathe second being a graph sequence (using topological sort) which allows for tasks to have inputs satisfied by some other task in said graph, with the running order of the set of tasks determined by the dependency ordering20:20
harlowjaand right now thats currently the 2 patterns :)20:20
hemnaI think most of the cinder tasks will be linear no?20:21
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harlowjayes, i think those 2 patterns likely solve many of the problems20:21
harlowjawhere u have action X -> Y -> Z20:21
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harlowjaor X1->Y and X2->Y with Y->Z (graph)20:22
harlowja*no loops allowed*20:22
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hemnaok cool20:22
hemnasorry, but I have to run to the bus stop to get my kids...bbiab20:23
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harlowjabut maybe its to early to tell, but there likely will be a desire for a more generic mechanism where u can structure your tasks via a FSM (inputs, outputs are part of tasks) and u could imagine a FSM table structure (X triggers Y after Z inputed provided) being defined that would allow for people creating FSMs with tasks20:24
harlowjai think jlucci might be getting close to something like this20:24
jlucciyupyup. Want me to give a quick overview of how that's working with the distributed pattern?20:24
jlucciShweet. So, high-level overview, when you choose a distributed flow, a client in charge of task management is created for you20:25
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jlucciThat client keeps track of all tasks and those task's "listeners/callbacks"20:25
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changblany example code?20:26
jlucciSo whenever a task completes successfully, the client is notified, and in turn notified all tasks that were listening for the now-successful task that it has completed20:26
harlowjathats similar to the FSM 'state transition table' in a way right?20:26
harlowja*to a FSM 'state transition table'20:26
jlucciUmm, as far as example code goes -20:27
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jlucci This contains the entirety of the distributed code right now20:27
jluccimore specifically20:27
jluccithe client20:27
harlowjaand the file ?20:27
jlucciteh flow20:27
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jlucciyeah, that's the pattern20:28
harlowjaya, thx20:28
harlowjapretty neat20:28
jlucciAnd these (not-quite-functioning tests lolz) show how the flow would be used at the user-level20:28
adrian_ottoI did follow up with the Galera guys, and they indicated that a Galera cluster (which could be deployed using heat) would be suitable for a backing store for a lock service because of the synchronous nature of the replication.20:28
harlowjaadrian_otto good to know20:29
adrian_ottoit would not be fast or scalable, but it would work for those that don't want to use ZK for whatever reason20:29
harlowjaadrian_otto cool, lets save that for a little bit after the distributed stuffs20:30
harlowjajlucci so would there be a wrapper needed for the task class/decorator to make it work with that pattern, or would that be only internally used in the distributed_pattern class?20:31
adrian_ottoI'm just following up because I took a previous action item to ask that.20:31
harlowjanp :)20:31
harlowjaits much appreciated20:31
harlowjajlucci the test looks pretty neat, seems to match how other tasks are formed (and connected into the FSM via the link method right?)20:32
jlucciSo, as of now, I'm using our task backend data structure, but not the actual task object20:32
jlucciI'm using celery tasks20:32
jlucciThe choice for this is that celery has these cool things called 'signals'20:32
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harlowjathat exposes the celery usage, i wonder if that can be something internal only to the distributed_flow pattern?20:32
jlucciThat act just like zookeeper notifiers20:32
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jlucciWell, this might be reaching, but since you're declaring a task with a decorator right now20:33
jlucciAnd that's what celery already does20:33
jlucciWe could just have the users always use @task.whatever to define a task, and then on our side, we'll know whether to use that to mean a celery or taskflow task20:34
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harlowjabut then we are exposing users to celery, instead of nicely compartalmenalizing  it in the distributed_flow20:35
harlowjaeck, bad spelling20:35
jluccioh, okay. Sorry. Misunderstood what you meant the first time20:36
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jlucciI think I could wrap it in the taskflow task object20:36
jlucciGoing to take some thinking through/hacking though.20:36
harlowjaor translate it when u do add() link() ?20:36
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adrian_ottoare you suggesting that distributed and sigular tasks have the same interface, but the distributed has more attached?20:36
adrian_ottoor are you suggesting divergent usage?20:37
harlowjano, same task interface, how the distributed_flow connects them or wraps them is up to it20:37
adrian_ottook, good.20:37
jlucciCould we add that as an action item for me? Or whatever the "go do this" thing is?20:37
harlowja#action jlucci think about how taskflow decorator/task object can be translated in the distriubted_flow pattern to something that celery can use (thus not exposing celery to everyone)20:38
harlowjai think that will do it20:38
jluccihaha I think so. :P20:38
harlowja#action bug josh if it makes no sense20:38
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adrian_ottoin other words: "abstract celery".20:39
jluccihaha That's too simple adrian_otto We like to keep it overly difficult here. :P20:39
harlowjauntil someday in the future when the only thing uses is the distributed_flow, then just say use celery at that point, lol20:39
harlowjadon't want to overly restrict what or how people can use taskflow this early in the game (if ever)20:40
devanandasorry i'm late... <reading scrollback>20:41
harlowjadevananda do all the work, thx20:41
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harlowjaanything else jlucci for the distributed stuffs? we'll see if that might solve the FSM case by itself20:41
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harlowjaif not we can see what else we can do20:42
jlucciNope. That's pretty much it. Just need to do some more hacking on it20:42
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harlowja#topic cinder/nova integration20:42
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harlowjaso cinder is ongoing by me, slowly but surely i think20:42
harlowjai think hemna will get involved there when he gets some time and such20:42
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harlowjajohnthetubaguy i think is doing some of the stuff in nova (but not using taskflow just yet, but doing something that should easily map to taskflow)20:43
harlowjaany ntt folks here?? i think they might be doing some nova stuff also20:43
harlowjaany heat folks?20:44
kebrayI'm lurking.20:44
kebrayBut, I'm not Heat core.20:44
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harlowjakk, just don't want to lose heat focus also, i haven't been super involved in there meetings20:44
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harlowjamake sure convection materializes using taskflow if thats being worked on20:45
adrian_ottorandallburt:  welcome20:45
randallburthello everybody20:45
kebrayThere's enough overlap from the Rackspace side that we are keeping an eye towards Heat.20:45
* kebray thinks20:45
harlowjakebray thats much appreciated20:45
randallburthow can I be of service?20:45
kebrayjlucci sits amongst the rackspace Heat devs.20:45
adrian_ottoanything Heat can use from taskflow?20:45
adrian_ottoemerging recent needs?20:46
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randallburtnothing I can think of beyond its general stated purpose20:46
harlowjaadrian_otto kebray do we want to set any kind of mini-milestone where a piece of heat tries out taskflow?20:46
adrian_ottoI have not seen anything on the Heat ML on the taskflow subject20:46
randallburttbh, integration of it is low on the havana timeframe from what I can see, but progress on tf has looked pretty good so far, so you never know20:46
harlowjaa mini-milestone/piece of heat might be cool20:47
alexheneveldheat is using a lot of python coroutines which are nifty but don't really lend themselves to this :(20:47
kebraythe Heat core team feels we have a full plate for Havana, so they are unlikely to want a milestone...20:47
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randallburtits not likely but not impossible at this stage. there's scaling/multi engine work that would make it difficult at this point20:47
randallburtwhat alexheneveld said ;)20:48
harlowjainteresting, how do coroutines usage make tasks harder to use?20:48
kebraybut, that's not to say at some point we can't leverage jlucci and the Heat devs she sits next to and go after our own milestone.20:48
alexheneveldat some point i see a major refactoring in heat to replace that nifty work with tasks but not much appetite for havana20:48
kebrayalexheneveld  agreed20:49
harlowjaalexheneveld ok, be interesting to get a braindump someday, is there anything written up that might be useful?20:49
alexheneveldthe coroutines are about thread-sharing with a lot of back and forth20:49
harlowjasounds like u guys made your own message passing?20:49
kebrayjlucci may not know it yet, but I'm going to ask her help document a plan of integration for TF in Heat.. if we need to do any selling, discussion, I'd like to get that started early.20:50
adrian_ottoI really think that coroutine stuff will get yanked out in the future20:50
randallburtnope, that part is more to do with higher concurrency20:50
jluccihaha Awesome. I'll get right on that kebray. :p20:50
harlowjakebray i guess jlucci knows now ;)20:50
alexheneveldharlowja it's like that, but it is really a core python feature (just rarely used) - but short of it is you don't have access to task objects (on the plus side you don't have to write task objects, you can use core python syntax)20:50
adrian_ottokebray: I'm happy to help out as needed20:50
harlowjaalexheneveld interesting20:51
kebraythanks adrian_otto!20:51
randallburtIMO, its not a question of selling it as much as it is a question of timing.20:51
randallburtand now's a bad time ;)20:51
alexheneveldadrian_otto: +1 will have to go at some point - this work will be much better and i think they will agree, once it is clear20:51
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adrian_ottoalexheneveld: I agree20:52
adrian_ottorandallburt: Yes, there is plenty on the plate now, but it can't hurt to see about filling it in after H release20:52
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harlowjai wonder about how corountines are pretty much just individual FSM's (in a way), FSM's that connect to one another, but i guess u guys have thought about this more than me, haha20:53
adrian_ottoplanting the seends for it20:53
harlowjaok cool, not much time left!20:53
adrian_ottothey don't use them for communication20:53
adrian_ottothey use it as a concurrency intrument20:53
randallburtsure, no harm in that. Would be nice to start the bp for it now and get the ball rolling before I summit anyway20:53
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adrian_ottoyes, but I would wait before proposing that20:54
adrian_ottoas you said it's a matter of timing.20:54
jlucciYeah, and I'll talk to you offline randallburt, but I'd like to get an overview of the co-routine system if you find time soon20:54
harlowjaadrian_otto sure, if u have concurrent workflows that have ordering dependencies (start X after Y is produced by that other workflow Z) then it seems similar, but maybe not, haha20:54
harlowjajlucci me too, so fill me in :)20:54
randallburtjlucci:  sure, I haven't kept up with Zane's fork, but we can look at it soon-ish20:54
jlucciYeah. That would be a good action item as well. Research heat co-routines or whatevers20:55
randallburtand adrian_otto is right, its not a task issue as much as changes being made to the existing system that would make doing both a bit…  messy20:55
harlowja#action jlucci get overview of heat co-routine and report back?20:55
alexheneveldharlowja: yes it is just fsm so would map to tasks but it is native python so not a small job (plus state is persisted).  also i can't take any credit, it is all zaneb's work!20:55
jlucciWorks for me. :D20:56
harlowjaalexheneveld cool, looking forward to more info20:56
alexheneveld#action alexheneveld get sam corbett from our side to give you chapter and verse :)20:56
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harlowja+- singing a choir song20:56
harlowjaok cool, so lets finish up with any action items from last time (probably should have started with this)20:57
harlowja#topic action-items-that-should-of-been-done-at-the-start20:57
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harlowjaadrian_otto so galleria stuff quick :)20:57
adrian_ottoprovided update earlier.20:57
harlowjaspeed IRC, lol20:57
harlowjaperfect :)20:57
adrian_ottoGalera should work.20:58
adrian_ottoof the options for a SQL backend, it's my preferred one.20:58
* adrian_otto done20:58
dansmith(two minute warning :)20:58
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harlowjaadrian_otto would u want to update with anything u learned20:59
harlowja1 minute, ahhhh20:59
adrian_otto#adction adrian_otto to update wiki with Galera as a SQL option20:59
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harlowjaok, anything else?20:59
hemnalooks good guys20:59
harlowjathx :) mailing list for anything else!21:00
adrian_otto#action drian_otto to update wiki with Galera as a SQL option21:00
jlucciThanks guys!21:00
harlowja#action adrian_otto to update wiki with Galera as a SQL option21:00
alexheneveldbye folks21:00
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kebraygreat work and progress!21:00
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randallburtbye all!21:00
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dansmith#startmeeting nova21:00
openstackMeeting started Thu Jun  6 21:00:38 2013 UTC.  The chair is dansmith. Information about MeetBot at
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dansmithrussellb asked me to run this in his absence21:00
dansmithwho is around?21:00
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dansmithcool, not sure we'll have all that much to talk about, but we'll run through the same ol' agenda items and see21:01
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dansmith#topic havana blueprints21:01
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dansmithblueprints: we've got 'em21:01
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dansmithanything anyone needs to bring up about a blueprint?21:02
dansmithany blueprints needing (re-)targeting or anything?21:02
dansmithvishy: go!21:02
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vishywell i have two small blueprints i will be creating soon21:02
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vishyone was the ml post and poc i made earlier about volume-swap21:03
vishythe other is about live-snapshots that i mentioned yesterday21:03
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* dansmith thinks live snapshots == cool21:03
dansmithvishy: are you expecting these to be targeted to H2?21:04
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vishyi think yes21:04
vishysince i don't think either is very big21:04
dansmithokay, cool21:04
vishythe outstanding question is someone going to implement them for other hypervisors?21:04
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dansmithhartsocks: ?21:05
hartsocks@dansmith I'll look at it.21:05
dansmithI don't think we have representation from any of the other hypervisors here, but I assume they would have spoken up on the ML21:06
alaskiI can bring it up with johnthetubaguy re: xen21:06
dansmithalaski: cool21:06
alaskijust to get his thoughts21:06
mriedem1dansmith: i can look at it for powervm21:06
dansmith#action alaski to talk to johnthetubaguy about live snapshots and volume swap21:06
dansmith#action mriedem1 to look at live snapshots and volume swap for powervm21:07
dansmithvishy: anything else on that?21:07
hartsocks@dansmith I'll put it on the vmwareapi team agenda to discuss21:07
dansmith#action hartsocks to bring up volume swap and live snapshots on the vmwareapi team meeting21:07
dansmithokay, alaski: did you have a blueprint to bring up?21:08
alaskidansmith: that was my hello wave.  Though I do have a quick question on the scheduling blueprint that I can ask21:08
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alaskiSo in order to break up the tasks to prepare for orchestration, things like allocate_networks are looking like they need a new compute rpcapi call21:09
alaskiBut for that one in particular, the only reason it can't be done in conductor is the get_mac_* call which differs based on virt driver21:10
alaskiI guess I'm wondering what the thought is on more back and forth RPC calls, and if I should worry about trying to mive that up a level21:10
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alaskieven though conceptually it fits on the compute node.  It just doesn't actually need to run there based on the logic I've seen21:11
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dansmithbut it might someday, right?21:11
dansmithseems like a very virt-driver-ish sort of thing21:11
alaskiit is21:11
alaskiAnd I kind of like it staying there.  It's just that spawn would be moving from one RPC call to probably 421:12
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alaskijust wanted to make sure no one is concerned about that21:12
dansmiththis would apply rather neatly to objects, although kinda different than the other cases21:12
dansmithwhere we could ask for an driver info object from compute once,21:12
dansmithwhich could implement the mac function locally, never needing an rpc call back,21:13
dansmithor it could make it remoted and then every call would go back to compute if needed21:13
dansmithbut that's just craziness since I have objects on the brain :)21:13
dansmithcomstud: any thoughts on the extra rpc traffic alaski is asking about?21:13
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alaski:)  that sounds great actually, the never needing an RPC call.  Since in this case the logic is driver specific, but not host specific21:14
comstudthe problem is expanding instances right?21:14
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comstudsorry, i need to scroll back21:14
alaskimore RPC calls21:14
dansmiththe problem is moving things out of compute to conductor,21:14
comstudWhy is the message larger ?21:14
dansmithand then needing access to things that compute has, like asking the virt driver to generate a mac21:14
comstudIs this the qpid problem we're talkinga bout?21:14
comstudIt doesn't support > 64K msg size21:14
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alaskiThe message isn't larger, just more of them21:14
alaskialso, the qpid fix was merged yesterday21:15
comstudI am in favor of more calls from conductor to compute21:15
dansmithwe should have woken up ol' man bearhands earlier21:15
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comstudif that's what's being asked21:15
comstudYeah, I forgot about this mtg :)21:15
alaskicomstud: cool.  Just wanted to get some positive vibes before I do all that plumbing21:16
comstudSplitting up the work into more calls makes for better error recovery and retrying and whatever you may need to do21:16
johnthetubaguysorry, I missed stuff, conductor is gonna start making all the RPC calls to compute still right?21:16
comstudI'm fine with it on the backend... but not in the API :)21:16
dansmithalaski: sounds like you're good then21:17
johnthetubaguycomstud +1 hoping migrate improves due to that21:17
comstud(ie, not when a caller is blocking)21:17
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alaskidansmith: cool21:17
mriedem1just an fyi, i'm planning on submitting a blueprint to support config drive and attach/detach volumes for the powervm driver sometime here (hopefully next week)21:17
alaskijohnthetubaguy: conductor to compute manager21:17
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johnthetubaguyalaski: cool, all good21:17
dansmithokay, so we're good on that it sounds like21:17
alaskiI'm good21:17
comstuddansmith: 'for now'21:18
dansmithmriedem1: did you have anything more to say about that, or just a warning to the group?21:18
mriedem1just giving a warning21:18
dansmithcomstud: right, until you change your mind. it's always implied21:18
dansmithmriedem1: okay21:18
dansmithany other blueprint discussion?21:18
ken1ohmichican i bring api-validation up?21:18
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ken1ohmichinow we are discussing WSME or jsonschema for validation.21:19
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hartsocksthank you. I couldn't find it.21:21
cyeohken1ohmichi: I don't think we are getting WSME in Nova for a while? afaik no one is working on it.21:22
ken1ohmichiIn this patches, WSME is not used for nova-v3-api. so I'd like to discuss jsonschema will be used for nova-v3-api.21:22
ken1ohmichicyeoh: yes, right.21:22
dansmithis there some discussion to have here?21:24
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dansmithany other blueprint items to bring up?21:24
dansmith#topic bugs21:25
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dansmithwe have those too!21:25
whenry_is this nova meeting? is it still active? how do I make a comment/discuss a topic?21:25
jog0dansmith: needs a review21:25
dansmithI don't have the link to the bug plot, does anyone have it handy?21:26
jog0or two or three21:26
dansmith58 new bugs right now21:26
driptonwhenry_: yes, it's the right time to talk about the qpid leak21:26
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* whenry_ has identified the qpidd leak problem. it's a bad nasty one. tross and I have been looking at it and we think we have fixed it and simplified dramatically21:27
dansmithwhenry_: okay, is there a link to a review?21:27
whenry_dansmith, I don't have a link right now. we are still testing but it looks promising.21:27
whenry_where to I post link for review when it's time21:28
dansmithokay, is this different than the one alaski mentioned a minute ago?21:28
driptonalaski's qpid bug was the 65535 limit on a message21:28
driptonthis one is qpid leaking lots of exchanges21:28
driptonwhenry_: is helpful or unrelated?21:29
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dansmithdo we need to discuss it? sounds like until it hits gerrit, there's not much else to do, is that right?21:29
dripton(It at least lets us turn durable on and off for qpid like we can for rabbit.)21:29
tedrossdripton: 65535 limit on what?21:29
driptonsize of a message sent across qpid21:29
whenry_there is no such limit21:29
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driptonsee commit 781a8f908cd3e5e69ff8b88d998fa93c48532e15 from yesterday21:29
alaskiI think it was just the size of a string within a message, but not exactly sure21:30
dansmithdripton: it's size of a single string, IIRC21:30
tedrossdripton: there's no such limit unless you're carrying the content in a header21:30
tedrossrather than the message body21:30
driptonwell, the commit went in yesterday, so you're a bit late, but feel free to go back and see if there's a better way.21:30
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whenry_dripton, who was the "feel free" comment addressed to?21:31
whenry_dragondm, this re the string size limit?21:32
driptonyou and tedross.  Anyone who thinks that wasn't a real qpid problem that alaski fixed.21:32
whenry_dripton, , this re the string size limit?21:32
driptonwhenry_: right21:32
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whenry_dripton, ack I'll let tedross look at that21:32
alaskiwell, I didn't fix it.  I just copied the fix from oslo21:32
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dansmithokay, so I think we're good on these two issues for now, anything else?21:33
whenry_so re when do we discuss this?21:34
dansmithjog0: shall we get back to your blueprint link in open discussion?21:34
whenry_what use case is begging for durable?21:34
jog0dansmith: I hope there isn't to much to discuss about it, just to review21:34
driptonwhenry_: I think the leak was begging for a way to turn durable off21:34
dansmithjog0: okay21:35
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whenry_dripton, oh well that's fixed now ;-) when we send the code for review21:35
mriedem1dansmith: the only thing related to bugs i'd bring up is asking for help from core reviewers to check this out, i think it's ready:
whenry_dragondm, sorry about that .. go back21:35
dansmithokay, anything else on bugs?21:36
hartsocksheh, if we're soliciting reviews, I've got one:
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dansmitheveryone has a pet review, lets bring up critical bugs needing discussion here and save the others for the end okay? :)21:37
dansmith#topic subteam reports21:37
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dansmithwho has a subteam report to make?21:37
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johnthetubaguyxenapi: smokestack (was) back testing on XenServer 6.1 EOM21:38
dansmithokay, dripton: go for db21:38
dansmithjohnthetubaguy: nice :)21:38
driptonDB meeting failed to happen again.  Need a new meeting time that's more Europe friendly since that's where everyone is.21:38
driptonBut we got a bunch of good patches in21:38
driptonAnd maurosr fixed the postgresql gate failure, which is awesome.21:38
driptonthat's all21:38
johnthetubaguydansmith: credit to danprince for his good work21:38
dansmithjohnthetubaguy: sorry, you said EOM, so you have to save it until next week :)21:39
dansmithdripton: okay, cool21:39
dansmithn0ano: scheduler, go for it21:39
johnthetubaguydansmith: lol, oK21:39
n0anolong discussion on isolation filter, hope to coalesce (sp) 3 BPs into one ...21:39
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n0anojog0, brought up issue of BlueHost creating a 16K OpenStack cluster and had to throw out the scheduler (didn't scale)...21:40
n0anoexpect to see a lively discussion over that issue at the meeting next Tues.21:40
n0anothat's about it, read the IRC log for details21:40
dansmithhah, okay, cool21:40
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dansmithhartsocks: vmware21:41
hartsocksSo, we're starting to get some motion on blueprints.21:41
hartsocksThere are several blueprint related patches up for review.21:41
hartsocksWe're having some in depth design discussions on some of these b/c a few conflict with each other.21:41
hartsocksAlso, reviews are taking a long time.21:42
hartsocksWe're looking at getting together a group of people who are really good with VMwareAPI to kind of "pre-review" these patches ahead of the core team that way y'all can focus on the OpenStack bits of the patches.21:42
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hartsocksThat… and we've got guys in about 5 timezones now… so yeah. That's fun.21:43
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hartsocksThat's it for us. See the Wiki for logs.21:43
dansmithwelcome to the club :)21:45
dansmithit's really scary when you get five guys in six timezones, but..21:45
dansmithokay, cool21:45
dansmithdevananda: ironic21:45
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devanandawanted to say thanks to dansmith - we've ported some of his work with unified objects21:45
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devanandaand are moving with that now, hoping to see it get into oslo :)21:45
devanandaother than that, i think there's not a lot of nova-facing news.21:46
dansmithheh, okay, cool21:46
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dansmithcomstud: you want to (or want me to) talk about objects a little?21:46
devanandai nearly forgot - one other thing.21:47
devanandagherivero is porting a lot of the image manipulation from nova to glance-client21:47
* devananda looks for the link21:47
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devanandanot sure how directly that affects you guys, but worth knowing about21:48
devanandareally done this time :)21:48
dansmithwell, I'll talk about objects real quick then21:48
dansmithso, we're making lots of progress on getting objects into the tree21:48
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dansmithwe've got a lot of base stuff integrated and we keep refining that with the patches to actually start using them floating ever so slightly above the cut line21:49
comstudwe need reviewers.21:49
comstudother than me21:49
comstudand dan21:49
dansmithheh, yes :)21:49
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vishydevananda: what image manip?21:49
comstuddansmith has about 100 patches up already21:49
driptonthis meeting was a great break from gerrit emailing me constantly with more dansmith patches21:50
devanandavishy: comments on that review explain it pretty thoroughly. tl;dr - nova and cinder duplicate a bunch of the code to download an manipulate glance images. ironic needs to do the same stuff21:50
devanandavishy: and we figure it's time to share that code instead of keep copying it all over ... :)21:50
driptondevananda: does that mean the code comes out of nova after it goes into glanceclient?21:50
vishyi guess i'm not clear on "manipulate"21:51
devanandadripton: i think that's the plan, yes.21:51
comstudvishy: nova's image_service code.21:51
driptondevananda: ++21:51
vishyyeah I'm wondering what manipulation it did21:51
devanandadripton: i'm not sure if ghe is planning on doing that (would love it if any nova folks want to help out)21:52
devanandavishy: file injection21:52
vishyjust curious if it overlaps with the stuff going into brick21:52
comstudi think that's just his word for create/update/delete.. which it all wraps21:52
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comstudif we need this much wrapping of glanceclient...21:53
comstudit does feel like there's a problem with glanceclient21:53
comstudor something.21:53
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vishyok i don't see anything in there for qcow or lvm handling21:54
vishyseems ok then21:54
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dansmithokay, anything else on subteam reports?21:55
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hartsockssome of us vmware folks might need to be schooled on what "ephemeral" disks are...21:56
dansmithsounds like a perfect segway into the open discussion/whining portion21:57
dansmith#topic open discussion21:57
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hartsocksI keep forgetting to mention we also have #openstack-vmware21:57
hartsocksfor *developer* discussion tho21:57
hartsocksPlease don't send disgruntled Admins in there...21:57
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dansmithokay, time21:59
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jgriffithdevananda: ping22:22
devanandajgriffith: pong22:23
jgriffithdevananda: hey... just wondering on that patch22:23
jgriffithdevananda: so is the idea to move the image_utils duplication out22:23
jgriffithdevananda: ie be able to call into glance API22:23
jgriffithdevananda: from cinder/nova etc and keep it all there?22:24
jgriffithdevananda: of course I can just look at the code :)22:24
devanandajgriffith: might give better background22:25
jgriffithdevananda: awesome, thanks!22:25
devanandajgriffith: our initial thought was move it to oslo, but some discussion ensued and glanceclient seemed to be the concensus. a few file utils did make it into oslo22:26
devanandai think those landed yesterday or this morning22:26
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