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| sdague | ok, who's around for the tempest meeting? | 17:00 |
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| * tkammer present | 17:00 | |
| sdague | #startmeeting qa | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jun 6 17:00:59 2013 UTC. The chair is sdague. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: qa)" | 17:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'qa' | 17:01 |
| mlavalle | I am | 17:01 |
| afazekas | hi | 17:01 |
| mtreinish | hi | 17:01 |
| sdague | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/QATeamMeeting | 17:01 |
| sdague | ok, lets get running on agenda | 17:01 |
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| sdague | #topic Bug Day Roundup | 17:02 |
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| sdague | #link http://status.openstack.org/bugday/ | 17:02 |
| sdague | so I think that went very well yesterday | 17:02 |
| afazekas | nice :) | 17:02 |
| sdague | really nice to get the bug tracker into some kind of shape | 17:02 |
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| sdague | and I want to thank everyone for participating, and kashyap for organizing | 17:02 |
| sdague | we basically got everything out of new state | 17:03 |
| sdague | and got some bugs fixed | 17:03 |
| sdague | and got more eyes on the tracker, so success over all :) | 17:03 |
| sdague | anyone else with comments from the day? | 17:03 |
| sdague | ok, we'll take that as a no :) | 17:04 |
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| sdague | #topic Blueprints | 17:04 |
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| sdague | #link https://launchpad.net/tempest/+milestone/havana-2 | 17:04 |
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| sdague | as per past weeks, if you have blueprints that you have status updates for, could you please put an #info out about it? | 17:05 |
| sdague | mtreinish I assigned you the testr one which was hanging out under me :) | 17:05 |
| afazekas | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/tempest/+spec/stop-leaking | 17:05 |
| afazekas | new | 17:05 |
| sdague | #info https://blueprints.launchpad.net/tempest/+spec/speed-up-tempest now being driven by mtreinish | 17:05 |
| mtreinish | sdague: yeah I just noticed that, not a problem | 17:06 |
| sdague | afazekas: that sounds like a good blueprint | 17:06 |
| sdague | are you going to be tackling it? | 17:06 |
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| afazekas | mtreinish: can you update the wiki https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Blueprint-speed-up-tempest , it just half complete | 17:06 |
| afazekas | sdague: yes | 17:07 |
| mtreinish | afazekas: sure, I can do that | 17:07 |
| sdague | afazekas: when you do resource tracking like that, it would be nice if it wasn't just at the start and end of tempest, but also after each test | 17:07 |
| sdague | so we can guage the resource consumptions, leaks of the tests individually as well | 17:07 |
| afazekas | it has high cost | 17:08 |
| sdague | afazekas: do you have a milestone target for it? | 17:08 |
| sdague | afazekas: does it? to just list the resources and quotas? | 17:08 |
| afazekas | I want to create script which runs the test cases individually with the tracker | 17:08 |
| sdague | afazekas: ok, cool. | 17:08 |
| afazekas | If it will be gating, change cannot pass with a leak introduction | 17:09 |
| sdague | afazekas: milestone target I should set for it? | 17:09 |
| sdague | afazekas: so if you just want to solve the gate issue, it's actually much easier | 17:09 |
| afazekas | when will be the H2 release ? | 17:09 |
| sdague | because we know there shouldn't be any resources on that machine | 17:09 |
| sdague | H2 is middle of July | 17:09 |
| sdague | the 17th I think | 17:10 |
| afazekas | ok | 17:10 |
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| sdague | so should I mark this for h2? | 17:10 |
| afazekas | yes | 17:10 |
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| sdague | #info https://blueprints.launchpad.net/tempest/+spec/stop-leaking added as h2 blueprint | 17:11 |
| sdague | great, other blueprint updates? | 17:11 |
| tkammer | I would like to propose: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/tempest/+spec/tempest-encapsulation-of-data | 17:11 |
| * afazekas I will think about adding similar things to the setUP and tearDown as well. | 17:11 | |
| kashyap | Also thanks to all the guys who did more triaging | 17:12 |
| sdague | tkammer: ok, before more new blueprints, it would be nice to see about existing ones | 17:12 |
| tkammer | sdague, sorry, still new here, learning the procedures as I go :) | 17:12 |
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| sdague | davidkranz: update here https://blueprints.launchpad.net/tempest/+spec/stress-tests? | 17:12 |
| sdague | ravikumar_hp: how about your BPs? | 17:13 |
| davidkranz | sdague: There is not that much more to do but I am not sure when I will be able to get to it. | 17:13 |
| sdague | davidkranz: ok | 17:13 |
| sdague | Shree-HP: how about your BPs? | 17:14 |
| afazekas | grep ERROR /opt/stack/screen-logs/screen-n-cpu.log | wc -l | 17:14 |
| afazekas | 165 | 17:14 |
| afazekas | I still see errors in the nova log without an ERROR | 17:14 |
| sdague | afazekas: well ERRORs in nova are probably ok in some conditions | 17:15 |
| davidkranz | afazekas: Yes, running the stress tests will not be so useful until the logs are clean. | 17:15 |
| Shree-HP | <sdague> We will be submitting our test in next few days, I have moved all my BP to H2 and H3 for now | 17:15 |
| sdague | Shree-HP: could you please assign the bps to whoever is actually doing them? | 17:16 |
| sdague | and people working on blueprints should be in the #openstack-qa channel to discuss things :) | 17:16 |
| Shree-HP | I am doing it actually . But as u might know we were waiting for HP internal approval for openstack submission | 17:16 |
| sdague | ok | 17:16 |
| sdague | ok, I think that's all the folks I know in this channel with active blueprints | 17:17 |
| Shree-HP | will follow-up in openstack-qa channel | 17:17 |
| sdague | next up, tkammer your turn | 17:17 |
| tkammer | sdague, thanks | 17:17 |
| sdague | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/tempest/+spec/tempest-encapsulation-of-data | 17:17 |
| sdague | so I think that blueprint needs more details to be something that is doable | 17:17 |
| tkammer | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Blueprint-EncapsulatingData | 17:18 |
| tkammer | :) | 17:18 |
| sdague | we like to have blueprints that are something that you can declare as "done" | 17:18 |
| sdague | ok :) | 17:18 |
| dwalleck | sdague: ++. Interesting concept, but not sure what the outputs would be | 17:18 |
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| tkammer | I gave an example of what I mean with the encapsulation in the wiki page | 17:19 |
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| tkammer | I think it shouldn't be too much trouble to implement | 17:19 |
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| sdague | tkammer: so I'm concerned for tempest/api that it actually goes against what we are trying to do | 17:19 |
| tkammer | sdague, what do you mean? | 17:19 |
| sdague | because we don't want people to be changing the underlying apis willy nilly | 17:19 |
| RAX-Sam | It sounds like you guys are talking about what we have done with Models in Open/CloudCafe | 17:20 |
| sdague | it could be, maybe we should take it to the mailing list for discussion? | 17:20 |
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| tkammer | that's a good idea, I think encapsulation of things can be a good first step to reuse of code | 17:21 |
| sdague | sure, I think we just want to be cautious about hiding away what the tests are doing too much from a reviewability perspective, but I think a good ML discussion will get us to the right place | 17:22 |
| afazekas | I think it just helps in the user management, but it can help a lot there | 17:22 |
| sdague | sounds good | 17:22 |
| sdague | #action tkammer to kick of ML thread on BP proposal | 17:22 |
| tkammer | will do :) | 17:23 |
| sdague | cool, we'll discuss there with examples and such | 17:23 |
| sdague | ok, any other blueprint things? | 17:23 |
| sdague | #topic Critical reviews | 17:23 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Critical reviews (Meeting topic: qa)" | 17:23 | |
| sdague | ok, now is the time to pimp reviews that you think haven't gotten enough attention | 17:24 |
| sdague | anyone have reviews they want people to look at? | 17:24 |
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| sdague | going once... | 17:24 |
| kashyap | fyi: "git-review -l" gives all the reviews on CLI | 17:24 |
| sdague | going twice... | 17:25 |
| sdague | ok, we'll assume we are keeping up well at the moment | 17:25 |
| sdague | #topic QA Docs | 17:25 |
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| sdague | #link http://docs.openstack.org/developer/tempest/ | 17:26 |
| sdague | so we now have a docs job as part of the tempest gate, and docs get published there on every commit | 17:26 |
| sdague | so increasing help there would be appreciated :) | 17:26 |
| sdague | I tried to correct some of the biggest accuracies with the READMEs but I'm sure some are still there | 17:27 |
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| sdague | ok, moving forward | 17:27 |
| sdague | #topic Tempest/Flake8/testr issues | 17:27 |
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| afazekas | sdague: where is the hacking rules on that site? | 17:27 |
| sdague | afazekas: they aren't | 17:28 |
| sdague | we should probably do something on that | 17:28 |
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| afazekas | I would like to add some exception handling guideline | 17:28 |
| sdague | afazekas: ok, great! | 17:28 |
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| sdague | you can add files to tempest/doc/source | 17:29 |
| sdague | and they will publish there | 17:29 |
| afazekas | thx, I'll check it next week. | 17:29 |
| sdague | #action afazekas to add exception handling guidelines to docs | 17:29 |
| sdague | ok, so onto the Tempest / Flake8 / testr issues | 17:29 |
| sdague | I didn't add that to the agenda, so whoever did, you want to lead the discussion? | 17:30 |
| sdague | anyone? | 17:31 |
| sdague | ok, I gues we're moving on to open discussion :) | 17:32 |
| sdague | #topic Open Discussion | 17:32 |
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| sdague | ok, any other topics from folks? | 17:32 |
| afazekas | may be the esiest way to workaround to issue to add --safe option to the flake8 | 17:32 |
| jhenner | I have some topic | 17:32 |
| sdague | jhenner: go for it | 17:32 |
| afazekas | Or it should not check for those rules whan it is not en the explicitly enforced rule set | 17:32 |
| afazekas | The other way is solving it similar as I wanted long time ago | 17:33 |
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| sdague | afazekas: the other way broke on mac though, right? | 17:33 |
| afazekas | But instead of ising the imp module, we need to implement a module finder which works as the python's on every supported os | 17:34 |
| afazekas | that thing "working" in vary strange way on mac | 17:34 |
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| afazekas | s/vary/very/ | 17:34 |
| sdague | yeh, so if someone signs up for that solution and gets it in hacking, that would be cool. Honestly I expect that testr and fixtures are going to cause other changes that affect it anyway | 17:34 |
| sdague | jhenner: what's your topic? | 17:34 |
| afazekas | I would say it is bug on the mac python, but .. | 17:35 |
| * psedlak_ is sorry that he almost missed the meeting | 17:35 | |
| jhenner | We (RedHat) may want to add some script which would take as an input an answer file from our installation tool and prepared the stack and Tempest for run | 17:35 |
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| jhenner | psedlak_: you came just in time | 17:35 |
| jhenner | would someone had something against? | 17:35 |
| sdague | jhenner: ok, is that something you think goes in tempest, or like devstack, where the config tool is in the installer? | 17:35 |
| afazekas | jhenner: https://github.com/stackforge/packstack ? | 17:36 |
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| jhenner | packstack is the deploying tool. It can take answer file as it's input | 17:36 |
| jhenner | we could use the same answer file to fill the stack with some images and generate tempest.conf | 17:37 |
| jhenner | and users | 17:37 |
| jhenner | that would be it | 17:37 |
| sdague | jhenner: ok, is there a reason not to put the tool in packstack? | 17:37 |
| sdague | I'm just wondering | 17:37 |
| sdague | and what does this answer file look like? | 17:37 |
| sdague | maybe this would be a good ML topic as well, so examples could be given | 17:38 |
| jhenner | sdague: Well, it feels like probably it should be separate thing to be honest. | 17:38 |
| psedlak_ | imho steps which are in devstack could be shared also with our tools, and probably used by others who will want to do the same | 17:38 |
| psedlak_ | *tool | 17:38 |
| psedlak_ | like the image creation and so on, those things will be the same | 17:38 |
| jhenner | psedlak_: yep, we would need the iniset | 17:38 |
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| afazekas | jhenner: IMHO: if you have the admin credentials in your environment, you can get all info for tempest prepare in any env | 17:39 |
| psedlak_ | https://github.com/stackforge/packstack/blob/master/docs/packstack.rst | 17:39 |
| jhenner | afazekas: db passwords? | 17:40 |
| psedlak_ | answer file contains OPT = value, as they can be seen on that page | 17:40 |
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| afazekas | jhenner: .my.cnf or read it from the service conf | 17:40 |
| sdague | ok, so let's take this into the mailing list? | 17:40 |
| psedlak | ok | 17:40 |
| jhenner | sdague: ok | 17:40 |
| sdague | #action jhenner to start discussion on ML on tempest config tool for packstack | 17:41 |
| psedlak | btw - who replaced the agenda? | 17:41 |
| psedlak | ah i see sdague :) | 17:42 |
| sdague | psedlak: did I break something? :) | 17:42 |
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| psedlak | ou, sorry my mistake, it's not replaced ... too much work today probably :) | 17:42 |
| sdague | ok, other open discussion items? | 17:42 |
| psedlak | did I missed that flake8/testr topic? | 17:42 |
| jhenner | psedlak: yep | 17:43 |
| sdague | psedlak: we can do it now | 17:43 |
| sdague | go for it | 17:43 |
| psedlak | well i would like to now what possibilies to fix it we have | 17:43 |
| psedlak | and if anyone is pursuing them | 17:43 |
| psedlak | */any of them | 17:44 |
| psedlak | as in that mail | 17:44 |
| psedlak | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-qa/2013-May/000429.html | 17:44 |
| afazekas | psedlak: http://paste.openstack.org/show/38193/ | 17:44 |
| psedlak | and following messages | 17:44 |
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| psedlak | yeah, i missed it i see, but if we can do it now ... (do we have time?) | 17:45 |
| psedlak | those emails ... it was mentioned that it should be moved to meeting | 17:45 |
| psedlak | but it never was | 17:45 |
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| psedlak | so does anyone know what is the state of this issue? | 17:46 |
| sdague | psedlak: so I think with mtreinish looking into what will change with fixtures, we might move the problem around again | 17:46 |
| sdague | maybe it just is worth seeing what falls out of that first | 17:47 |
| mpavlase | I have just tiny note, on the main wiki page with QATeamMeeting there is a typo... today isn't 8th but 6th June :-) If it would be noticed at some log etc. it should be fixed, otherwise let as it. | 17:47 |
| * psedlak facepalms | 17:47 | |
| sdague | heh | 17:48 |
| psedlak | sdague: fixtures? they will solve config loading issue? | 17:48 |
| ravikumar_hp | sdague: sorry . I got struck up in some urgent work . Will check BPs that are pending | 17:48 |
| sdague | psedlak: they will move the problem of loading the config | 17:49 |
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| sdague | whether they fix it is a whole other thing :) | 17:49 |
| afazekas | psedlak: they are just a nice abstractions over the setUp and tearDown | 17:49 |
| psedlak | hm, ok | 17:49 |
| sdague | ok, so anything else? | 17:50 |
| psedlak | well, maybe ... | 17:51 |
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| psedlak | would it be acceptable, to create new tempest/xy | 17:51 |
| sdague | psedlak: for what kind of things? | 17:51 |
| psedlak | for specific/additional test for non devstack versions of openstack | 17:52 |
| afazekas | psedlak: with little tweak they can be similar to the cafe 'bahavior' | 17:52 |
| psedlak | like as RH has RDO http://openstack.redhat.com/ (that packstack installer) | 17:52 |
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| psedlak | we will need to create additional, packstack/RDO specific tests | 17:52 |
| sdague | psedlak: so tempest tests shouldn't be specific to an implementation | 17:53 |
| psedlak | and as there is 'thirdparty' ... for thirdparty (api) extensions ... | 17:53 |
| psedlak | sdague: so suggestion would be to keep them in separated repository ... | 17:53 |
| psedlak | right? | 17:53 |
| sdague | I think an example would be helpful | 17:53 |
| psedlak | for example check that log from installation done using packstack contains valid url to dashboard and that user can log-in using that url | 17:54 |
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| sdague | yeh, I think that gets too implementation specific | 17:55 |
| sdague | we really want tempest to be able testing any cloud | 17:55 |
| psedlak | ok | 17:55 |
| sdague | anyway, we're about at the end of the hour, so my suggestion is further topics should go back on #openstack-qa | 17:55 |
| sdague | any last things from folks? | 17:56 |
| sdague | ok, thanks all | 17:57 |
| sdague | #endmeeting | 17:57 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jun 6 17:57:13 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:57 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2013/qa.2013-06-06-17.00.html | 17:57 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2013/qa.2013-06-06-17.00.txt | 17:57 |
| mlavalle | thanks | 17:57 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2013/qa.2013-06-06-17.00.log.html | 17:57 |
| tkammer | good day | 17:57 |
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| bdpayne | #startmeeting OpenStack Security Group | 18:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jun 6 18:01:26 2013 UTC. The chair is bdpayne. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_security_group' | 18:01 |
| bdpayne | time for some security talk | 18:01 |
| bdpayne | Bryan Payne from Nebula here | 18:01 |
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| bdpayne | who else do we have today? | 18:01 |
| rellerreller | Nate from APL here | 18:02 |
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| randy_perryman | Randy Perryman from Dell here (finally) | 18:02 |
| bdpayne | hi Nate | 18:02 |
| bdpayne | ah, welcome Randy | 18:02 |
| bdpayne | any items that you guys would like to discuss today? | 18:03 |
| rellerreller | None from me | 18:03 |
| randy_perryman | none from me | 18:03 |
| bdpayne | well that's easy then :-) | 18:04 |
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| bdpayne | I have a few things, of course | 18:04 |
| bdpayne | first a quick update on the upcoming doc sprint… we now have someone APL joining in with the effort | 18:04 |
| rellerreller | Yes, I was glad to hear that | 18:05 |
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| bdpayne | that rounds out the team, which also has people on it from Nebula, HP, RedHat, Intel, Paypal, Nicira, Rackspace, Cloudscaling, and Cloudpassage | 18:05 |
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| bdpayne | so, should be a really good group | 18:06 |
| randy_perryman | Good mix of talent | 18:06 |
| bdpayne | We say that the security impact tag on commits is working | 18:06 |
| bdpayne | Thanks to the volume encryption commits from APL | 18:07 |
| rellerreller | Your welcome | 18:07 |
| bdpayne | rellerreller You guys getting the feedback you need with those patches? | 18:07 |
| rellerreller | We are getting some. I'm getting back up to speed as I was out for 3 weeks. | 18:07 |
| bdpayne | got it | 18:07 |
| rellerreller | I need to check on that later today. | 18:08 |
| bdpayne | ok | 18:08 |
| bdpayne | I did review the code | 18:08 |
| rellerreller | Thanks! | 18:08 |
| bdpayne | It looked fine to me, but I didn't mark +1 b/c I'm not as familiar with those pieces of the system | 18:08 |
| rellerreller | ok | 18:08 |
| bdpayne | If you'd like me to be more vocal on it at some point, just let me know | 18:08 |
| rellerreller | Will do | 18:09 |
| bdpayne | Switching gear here... | 18:09 |
| bdpayne | Rob couldn't join today, but asked that we discussed OSSNs | 18:09 |
| bdpayne | these are the openstack security notes | 18:10 |
| bdpayne | we have published a few… basically general guidance on best practices for security deployment | 18:10 |
| bdpayne | Rob was interested in brain storming some areas that we could discuss in future OSSNs | 18:10 |
| bdpayne | any thoughts? | 18:11 |
| bdpayne | For example, what are some common OS security misconfigurations that we could help steer people away from? | 18:11 |
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| bdpayne | for reference https://launchpad.net/ossn | 18:12 |
| rellerreller | How is this different than the hardening guide? | 18:12 |
| bdpayne | clearly related | 18:12 |
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| bdpayne | these will be more timely | 18:13 |
| bdpayne | easier to push out quick advice as needed | 18:13 |
| randy_perryman | My question would be how basic | 18:13 |
| bdpayne | whereas the hardening guide will cover more long living issues | 18:13 |
| randy_perryman | ie... ensuring the network configuration is correct, password security, etc... | 18:13 |
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| bdpayne | yeah, even the most simple things are probably useful | 18:14 |
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| bdpayne | esp if the best practices for cloud setup deviate from what you would do for a basic linux setup | 18:14 |
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| randy_perryman | right | 18:14 |
| bdpayne | what network configurations would you guys typically suggest? | 18:14 |
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| * bdpayne probes for information that might also be useful in the book :-) | 18:15 | |
| bdpayne | presuming that one shared network is bad | 18:15 |
| randy_perryman | I was just thinking about on the Openstack admin guide "stories from teh cr**t" - the one about the nova.conf having a misconfugred vlan | 18:15 |
| bdpayne | ah, yeah | 18:16 |
| randy_perryman | very basic | 18:16 |
| bdpayne | so, right, I'm guessing that most people use vlans here | 18:16 |
| randy_perryman | right | 18:16 |
| bdpayne | physical separate networks could work too, but incurs more h/w cost | 18:17 |
| bdpayne | and is ultimately less flexible | 18:17 |
| bdpayne | but then vlan termination becomes something that matters | 18:17 |
| bdpayne | anyway, I imagine that we'll touch on these things in the book | 18:17 |
| bdpayne | for the OSSNs, if you are aware of deployment decisions that people are making that are wrong, but perhaps just easier | 18:18 |
| bdpayne | …that could potentially be useful topics | 18:18 |
| randy_perryman | Okay | 18:18 |
| bdpayne | we also try to address things like configuring around security issues, if reasonable to do so | 18:19 |
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| bdpayne | for example, we had one on restricting header sizes for https requests | 18:19 |
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| randy_perryman | good point | 18:19 |
| bdpayne | well, I'll leave it as an action item for us to be brainstorming such things | 18:20 |
| bdpayne | #action Think about future OSSN topics | 18:20 |
| bdpayne | ok… any other topics for discussion today? | 18:20 |
| malini1 | Any idea how the rpc encryption is going ? | 18:21 |
| bdpayne | hi malini1 :-) | 18:21 |
| malini1 | :-) | 18:21 |
| bdpayne | I have not been tracking those discussions, unfortuantely | 18:21 |
| bdpayne | anyone else aware of the rpc work? | 18:22 |
| bdpayne | @ewindisch you around? | 18:22 |
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| ewindisch | hello | 18:23 |
| bdpayne | hi! | 18:23 |
| bdpayne | we were just curious where the rpc security work has landed | 18:23 |
| bdpayne | still moving forward or ?? | 18:23 |
| ewindisch | bdpayne: good question... | 18:24 |
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| malini1 | I https://review.openstack.org/#/c/28154/ | 18:24 |
| malini1 | one review from Semo | 18:25 |
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| ewindisch | I've been otherwise occupied since the overall community support seems to be around Simo - and I'm plenty busy enough as is. | 18:25 |
| bdpayne | ok, I hadn't been following it that much | 18:25 |
| bdpayne | so community took Simo's path? | 18:25 |
| malini1 | :-) Ah! I was wondering, because at the summit you presented and had not heard more from you on the mailing list | 18:26 |
| bdpayne | looks like the PR is up there | 18:26 |
| ewindisch | but I should really work on a formal proposal for a CMS based solution | 18:26 |
| bdpayne | yeah, that'd be nice | 18:26 |
| bdpayne | I'll check out that review for Simo's work too | 18:26 |
| malini1 | Simo at one point was talking to the key manager folks and did not want to introduce yet another service into the path | 18:26 |
| ewindisch | bdpayne: I'd rather not log all my thoughts into meetingbot… :) | 18:26 |
| bdpayne | thanks ewindisch | 18:27 |
| bdpayne | ewindisch happy to chat in PM sometime if you'd like | 18:27 |
| ewindisch | sure - and we can chat when I see you later this month | 18:27 |
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| bdpayne | indeed | 18:27 |
| malini1 | i too would like to learn more about your CMS | 18:27 |
| malini1 | great | 18:28 |
| bdpayne | ok, anything else for today? | 18:28 |
| malini1 | i shall be out for two weeks, take care and fun summer | 18:28 |
| bdpayne | have a nice trip malini1 | 18:28 |
| ewindisch | not really. I have a patch outstanding to do safe_log for ZeroMQ - passwords and tokens are leaking into logs at present | 18:28 |
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| bdpayne | fun | 18:29 |
| bdpayne | I'm going to send a message to dev, but you should put "securityimpact" in the commit message for such things | 18:29 |
| malini1 | keystone introduced a decorator to silence all things password with a fixed number of * | 18:29 |
| bdpayne | that will help keep the security community engaged with reviewing such things | 18:29 |
| ewindisch | bdpayne: will do. It is linked to a bug which is pretty clear in the impact | 18:30 |
| bdpayne | yeah, but that tag will send an email to the security list :-) | 18:30 |
| malini1 | :-) that tag is powerful, wakes folksup | 18:30 |
| bdpayne | ha | 18:30 |
| bdpayne | ok, thanks everyone… have a great week | 18:31 |
| bdpayne | #endmeeting | 18:31 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jun 6 18:31:08 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:31 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_security_group/2013/openstack_security_group.2013-06-06-18.01.html | 18:31 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_security_group/2013/openstack_security_group.2013-06-06-18.01.txt | 18:31 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_security_group/2013/openstack_security_group.2013-06-06-18.01.log.html | 18:31 |
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| dripton | Okay, no DB meeting. | 19:01 |
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| harlowja | #startmetting state-management | 20:00 |
| harlowja | #startmeeting state-management | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jun 6 20:00:46 2013 UTC. The chair is harlowja. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: state-management)" | 20:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'state_management' | 20:00 |
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| harlowja | hi all! | 20:01 |
| jlucci | hola | 20:01 |
| kchenweijie | hey there | 20:01 |
| adrian_otto | hi | 20:01 |
| harlowja | hi hi | 20:01 |
| alexheneveld | hello | 20:01 |
| harlowja | howdy | 20:01 |
| harlowja | so agenda for those that are interested (and/or missed the email since it was sent out late) | 20:01 |
| harlowja | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/StateManagement#Previous_meetings | 20:01 |
| changbl | hey guys | 20:01 |
| harlowja | hi hi | 20:01 |
| harlowja | oops wrong link | 20:02 |
| harlowja | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/StateManagement#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 20:02 |
| harlowja | much betta | 20:02 |
| harlowja | so lots of newness this week! | 20:02 |
| harlowja | #topic where-everyone-is-at | 20:02 |
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| harlowja | just want to see how everyone is doing, any goodness that is being produced | 20:03 |
| changbl | I am reading your taskflow code | 20:03 |
| harlowja | i'm still working on the cinder review (anvil took 1.5 days away from me this week so far) | 20:03 |
| harlowja | i setup the launchpad site and a initial blueprints and bug (1) | 20:03 |
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| harlowja | jgriffith started looking over the review and seems like he's mostly happy (so far) | 20:04 |
| harlowja | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/29862/ (patch set 8) | 20:04 |
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| harlowja | hemna have you been looking at anything for H2? | 20:05 |
| hemna | I've been slammed a bit | 20:05 |
| harlowja | np | 20:05 |
| hemna | we can chat offline if you like | 20:05 |
| harlowja | k | 20:05 |
| harlowja | all good | 20:05 |
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| harlowja | i also talked more with devananda about some usage in ironic, hoepfully taskflow can help out there | 20:06 |
| hemna | do you have the launchpad url ? | 20:06 |
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| jlucci | https://launchpad.net/~taskflow-dev and https://launchpad.net/taskflow | 20:06 |
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| hemna | jlucci, thanks | 20:07 |
| harlowja | so i think kchenweijie has been continuing on the db work, correct? | 20:07 |
| kchenweijie | thats right | 20:07 |
| harlowja | and jlucci on the celery/distributed goods | 20:07 |
| jlucci | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/32036/ | 20:07 |
| harlowja | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/32036/ | 20:07 |
| jlucci | ^^ distributed goods | 20:07 |
| uvirtbot | jlucci: Error: "^" is not a valid command. | 20:07 |
| harlowja | :) | 20:07 |
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| harlowja | all cool stuff, awesome work! | 20:08 |
| harlowja | #topic launchpad | 20:08 |
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| harlowja | as jlucci pointed out, there is a new taskflow site and dev group! | 20:08 |
| harlowja | #link https://launchpad.net/taskflow | 20:08 |
| hemna | nice | 20:08 |
| changbl | +1 jlucci | 20:09 |
| harlowja | it seems to be a good place to register what people are working on and bugs and such | 20:09 |
| harlowja | sound good to all? | 20:09 |
| changbl | yes | 20:09 |
| hemna | +1 | 20:09 |
| harlowja | feel free to join the https://launchpad.net/~taskflow-dev group also | 20:09 |
| harlowja | i think its an open group | 20:09 |
| harlowja | if not then let me know and i'll try to fix that setting :-p | 20:10 |
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| hemna | pending approval :P | 20:10 |
| harlowja | kk | 20:10 |
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| harlowja | hmmm, wonder why it can't be switched to open, well nm, either is fine i guess | 20:11 |
| harlowja | #action harlowja investigate dev openness | 20:11 |
| harlowja | so thats good stuff, nothing to exciting there :) | 20:12 |
| harlowja | any questions about it, just bug me :-p | 20:12 |
| harlowja | #topic stackforge | 20:12 |
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| harlowja | and we finally made it to stackforge! | 20:13 |
| harlowja | #link https://github.com/stackforge/taskflow | 20:13 |
| harlowja | yaaaa! | 20:13 |
| changbl | great! | 20:13 |
| harlowja | the yahoo repo i removed so that we can not diverge there btw | 20:13 |
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| harlowja | so u might have to adjust your git remote if u were connected to the other one | 20:13 |
| harlowja | just fyi | 20:13 |
| harlowja | if that doesn't work out, i can try to help there | 20:13 |
| harlowja | but that allows us to use review.openstack.org | 20:14 |
| harlowja | right now there are 4 core people, more are welcome if they feel like they want to help out | 20:14 |
| harlowja | jlucci devananda harlowja (and rohitk who isn't online) | 20:14 |
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| harlowja | i'd like to get hemna and other core members from involved teams in there, so they can have inputs (since the library will be used in there project) | 20:15 |
| harlowja | hemna would u want to be in there? | 20:15 |
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| hemna | sure | 20:15 |
| harlowja | cool | 20:16 |
| harlowja | hemna u have been added | 20:16 |
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| hemna | rockin | 20:16 |
| harlowja | i guess we can follow somewhat of the normal process for core people, or keep it pretty simple for now | 20:16 |
| harlowja | the whole voting thing someday maybe, lol | 20:17 |
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| harlowja | sound good? | 20:17 |
| jlucci | +1 | 20:17 |
| hemna | +1 | 20:17 |
| harlowja | coolness | 20:17 |
| harlowja | alright, any questions on that before next topic? | 20:18 |
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| harlowja | going once, going twice, sold | 20:18 |
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| harlowja | #topic fsm-pattern | 20:19 |
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| harlowja | sooo right now there exists a set of patterns in the taskflow library that allow users of the library to structure there tasks in different sequences | 20:19 |
| harlowja | 1 being a linear sequence (where a task can have inputs that are satisfied by a previous task, and output something for tasks 'down the line' to use) | 20:20 |
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| harlowja | the second being a graph sequence (using topological sort) which allows for tasks to have inputs satisfied by some other task in said graph, with the running order of the set of tasks determined by the dependency ordering | 20:20 |
| harlowja | and right now thats currently the 2 patterns :) | 20:20 |
| hemna | ok | 20:21 |
| hemna | I think most of the cinder tasks will be linear no? | 20:21 |
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| harlowja | yes, i think those 2 patterns likely solve many of the problems | 20:21 |
| harlowja | where u have action X -> Y -> Z | 20:21 |
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| harlowja | or X1->Y and X2->Y with Y->Z (graph) | 20:22 |
| harlowja | *no loops allowed* | 20:22 |
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| hemna | ok cool | 20:22 |
| hemna | sorry, but I have to run to the bus stop to get my kids...bbiab | 20:23 |
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| harlowja | np | 20:23 |
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| harlowja | but maybe its to early to tell, but there likely will be a desire for a more generic mechanism where u can structure your tasks via a FSM (inputs, outputs are part of tasks) and u could imagine a FSM table structure (X triggers Y after Z inputed provided) being defined that would allow for people creating FSMs with tasks | 20:24 |
| harlowja | i think jlucci might be getting close to something like this | 20:24 |
| jlucci | yupyup. Want me to give a quick overview of how that's working with the distributed pattern? | 20:24 |
| harlowja | sure | 20:25 |
| jlucci | Shweet. So, high-level overview, when you choose a distributed flow, a client in charge of task management is created for you | 20:25 |
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| jlucci | That client keeps track of all tasks and those task's "listeners/callbacks" | 20:25 |
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| changbl | any example code? | 20:26 |
| jlucci | So whenever a task completes successfully, the client is notified, and in turn notified all tasks that were listening for the now-successful task that it has completed | 20:26 |
| harlowja | thats similar to the FSM 'state transition table' in a way right? | 20:26 |
| harlowja | *to a FSM 'state transition table' | 20:26 |
| jlucci | Rightright | 20:26 |
| jlucci | Umm, as far as example code goes - | 20:27 |
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| jlucci | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/32036/ This contains the entirety of the distributed code right now | 20:27 |
| jlucci | more specifically | 20:27 |
| jlucci | the client | 20:27 |
| jlucci | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/32036/1/taskflow/distributed/DTClient.py | 20:27 |
| harlowja | and the pattern.py file ? | 20:27 |
| jlucci | teh flow | 20:27 |
| jlucci | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/32036/1/taskflow/patterns/distributed_flow.py | 20:27 |
| harlowja | *distributed_flow.py | 20:27 |
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| jlucci | yeah, that's the pattern | 20:28 |
| harlowja | ya, thx | 20:28 |
| harlowja | pretty neat | 20:28 |
| jlucci | And these (not-quite-functioning tests lolz) show how the flow would be used at the user-level | 20:28 |
| jlucci | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/32036/1/taskflow/tests/unit/test_distributed_flow.py | 20:28 |
| adrian_otto | I did follow up with the Galera guys, and they indicated that a Galera cluster (which could be deployed using heat) would be suitable for a backing store for a lock service because of the synchronous nature of the replication. | 20:28 |
| harlowja | adrian_otto good to know | 20:29 |
| adrian_otto | it would not be fast or scalable, but it would work for those that don't want to use ZK for whatever reason | 20:29 |
| harlowja | adrian_otto cool, lets save that for a little bit after the distributed stuffs | 20:30 |
| harlowja | jlucci so would there be a wrapper needed for the task class/decorator to make it work with that pattern, or would that be only internally used in the distributed_pattern class? | 20:31 |
| adrian_otto | I'm just following up because I took a previous action item to ask that. | 20:31 |
| harlowja | np :) | 20:31 |
| harlowja | its much appreciated | 20:31 |
| harlowja | jlucci the test looks pretty neat, seems to match how other tasks are formed (and connected into the FSM via the link method right?) | 20:32 |
| jlucci | So, as of now, I'm using our task backend data structure, but not the actual task object | 20:32 |
| jlucci | I'm using celery tasks | 20:32 |
| jlucci | The choice for this is that celery has these cool things called 'signals' | 20:32 |
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| harlowja | that exposes the celery usage, i wonder if that can be something internal only to the distributed_flow pattern? | 20:32 |
| jlucci | That act just like zookeeper notifiers | 20:32 |
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| harlowja | cool | 20:33 |
| jlucci | Well, this might be reaching, but since you're declaring a task with a decorator right now | 20:33 |
| jlucci | And that's what celery already does | 20:33 |
| jlucci | We could just have the users always use @task.whatever to define a task, and then on our side, we'll know whether to use that to mean a celery or taskflow task | 20:34 |
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| harlowja | but then we are exposing users to celery, instead of nicely compartalmenalizing it in the distributed_flow | 20:35 |
| harlowja | eck, bad spelling | 20:35 |
| jlucci | oh, okay. Sorry. Misunderstood what you meant the first time | 20:36 |
| jlucci | mmm | 20:36 |
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| jlucci | I think I could wrap it in the taskflow task object | 20:36 |
| jlucci | Going to take some thinking through/hacking though. | 20:36 |
| harlowja | or translate it when u do add() link() ? | 20:36 |
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| adrian_otto | are you suggesting that distributed and sigular tasks have the same interface, but the distributed has more attached? | 20:36 |
| harlowja | ya | 20:37 |
| adrian_otto | or are you suggesting divergent usage? | 20:37 |
| harlowja | no, same task interface, how the distributed_flow connects them or wraps them is up to it | 20:37 |
| adrian_otto | ok, good. | 20:37 |
| jlucci | Could we add that as an action item for me? Or whatever the "go do this" thing is? | 20:37 |
| harlowja | #action jlucci think about how taskflow decorator/task object can be translated in the distriubted_flow pattern to something that celery can use (thus not exposing celery to everyone) | 20:38 |
| harlowja | i think that will do it | 20:38 |
| jlucci | haha I think so. :P | 20:38 |
| harlowja | #action bug josh if it makes no sense | 20:38 |
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| adrian_otto | in other words: "abstract celery". | 20:39 |
| devananda | \o | 20:39 |
| jlucci | haha That's too simple adrian_otto We like to keep it overly difficult here. :P | 20:39 |
| harlowja | until someday in the future when the only thing uses is the distributed_flow, then just say use celery at that point, lol | 20:39 |
| harlowja | don't want to overly restrict what or how people can use taskflow this early in the game (if ever) | 20:40 |
| devananda | sorry i'm late... <reading scrollback> | 20:41 |
| harlowja | np | 20:41 |
| harlowja | devananda do all the work, thx | 20:41 |
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| harlowja | anything else jlucci for the distributed stuffs? we'll see if that might solve the FSM case by itself | 20:41 |
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| harlowja | if not we can see what else we can do | 20:42 |
| jlucci | Nope. That's pretty much it. Just need to do some more hacking on it | 20:42 |
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| harlowja | coolness | 20:42 |
| harlowja | #topic cinder/nova integration | 20:42 |
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| harlowja | so cinder is ongoing by me, slowly but surely i think | 20:42 |
| harlowja | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/29862/ | 20:42 |
| harlowja | i think hemna will get involved there when he gets some time and such | 20:42 |
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| harlowja | johnthetubaguy i think is doing some of the stuff in nova (but not using taskflow just yet, but doing something that should easily map to taskflow) | 20:43 |
| harlowja | any ntt folks here?? i think they might be doing some nova stuff also | 20:43 |
| harlowja | any heat folks? | 20:44 |
| kebray | I'm lurking. | 20:44 |
| kebray | But, I'm not Heat core. | 20:44 |
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| harlowja | kk, just don't want to lose heat focus also, i haven't been super involved in there meetings | 20:44 |
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| harlowja | make sure convection materializes using taskflow if thats being worked on | 20:45 |
| adrian_otto | randallburt: welcome | 20:45 |
| randallburt | hello everybody | 20:45 |
| kebray | There's enough overlap from the Rackspace side that we are keeping an eye towards Heat. | 20:45 |
| * kebray thinks | 20:45 | |
| harlowja | kebray thats much appreciated | 20:45 |
| randallburt | how can I be of service? | 20:45 |
| kebray | jlucci sits amongst the rackspace Heat devs. | 20:45 |
| adrian_otto | anything Heat can use from taskflow? | 20:45 |
| adrian_otto | emerging recent needs? | 20:46 |
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| randallburt | nothing I can think of beyond its general stated purpose | 20:46 |
| harlowja | adrian_otto kebray do we want to set any kind of mini-milestone where a piece of heat tries out taskflow? | 20:46 |
| adrian_otto | I have not seen anything on the Heat ML on the taskflow subject | 20:46 |
| randallburt | tbh, integration of it is low on the havana timeframe from what I can see, but progress on tf has looked pretty good so far, so you never know | 20:46 |
| harlowja | a mini-milestone/piece of heat might be cool | 20:47 |
| alexheneveld | heat is using a lot of python coroutines which are nifty but don't really lend themselves to this :( | 20:47 |
| kebray | the Heat core team feels we have a full plate for Havana, so they are unlikely to want a milestone... | 20:47 |
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| randallburt | its not likely but not impossible at this stage. there's scaling/multi engine work that would make it difficult at this point | 20:47 |
| randallburt | what alexheneveld said ;) | 20:48 |
| harlowja | interesting, how do coroutines usage make tasks harder to use? | 20:48 |
| kebray | but, that's not to say at some point we can't leverage jlucci and the Heat devs she sits next to and go after our own milestone. | 20:48 |
| alexheneveld | at some point i see a major refactoring in heat to replace that nifty work with tasks but not much appetite for havana | 20:48 |
| kebray | alexheneveld agreed | 20:49 |
| harlowja | alexheneveld ok, be interesting to get a braindump someday, is there anything written up that might be useful? | 20:49 |
| adrian_otto | +1 | 20:49 |
| alexheneveld | the coroutines are about thread-sharing with a lot of back and forth | 20:49 |
| harlowja | sounds like u guys made your own message passing? | 20:49 |
| kebray | jlucci may not know it yet, but I'm going to ask her help document a plan of integration for TF in Heat.. if we need to do any selling, discussion, I'd like to get that started early. | 20:50 |
| adrian_otto | I really think that coroutine stuff will get yanked out in the future | 20:50 |
| randallburt | nope, that part is more to do with higher concurrency | 20:50 |
| jlucci | haha Awesome. I'll get right on that kebray. :p | 20:50 |
| harlowja | kebray i guess jlucci knows now ;) | 20:50 |
| randallburt | bumbumbuuuuuum | 20:50 |
| alexheneveld | harlowja it's like that, but it is really a core python feature (just rarely used) - but short of it is you don't have access to task objects (on the plus side you don't have to write task objects, you can use core python syntax) | 20:50 |
| adrian_otto | kebray: I'm happy to help out as needed | 20:50 |
| harlowja | alexheneveld interesting | 20:51 |
| kebray | thanks adrian_otto! | 20:51 |
| randallburt | IMO, its not a question of selling it as much as it is a question of timing. | 20:51 |
| hemna | back | 20:51 |
| randallburt | and now's a bad time ;) | 20:51 |
| alexheneveld | adrian_otto: +1 will have to go at some point - this work will be much better and i think they will agree, once it is clear | 20:51 |
| harlowja | np | 20:51 |
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| adrian_otto | yep | 20:52 |
| adrian_otto | alexheneveld: I agree | 20:52 |
| adrian_otto | randallburt: Yes, there is plenty on the plate now, but it can't hurt to see about filling it in after H release | 20:52 |
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| harlowja | i wonder about how corountines are pretty much just individual FSM's (in a way), FSM's that connect to one another, but i guess u guys have thought about this more than me, haha | 20:53 |
| adrian_otto | planting the seends for it | 20:53 |
| harlowja | ok cool, not much time left! | 20:53 |
| adrian_otto | they don't use them for communication | 20:53 |
| adrian_otto | they use it as a concurrency intrument | 20:53 |
| randallburt | sure, no harm in that. Would be nice to start the bp for it now and get the ball rolling before I summit anyway | 20:53 |
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| adrian_otto | s/intrument/instrument/ | 20:53 |
| adrian_otto | yes, but I would wait before proposing that | 20:54 |
| adrian_otto | as you said it's a matter of timing. | 20:54 |
| jlucci | Yeah, and I'll talk to you offline randallburt, but I'd like to get an overview of the co-routine system if you find time soon | 20:54 |
| harlowja | adrian_otto sure, if u have concurrent workflows that have ordering dependencies (start X after Y is produced by that other workflow Z) then it seems similar, but maybe not, haha | 20:54 |
| harlowja | jlucci me too, so fill me in :) | 20:54 |
| randallburt | jlucci: sure, I haven't kept up with Zane's fork, but we can look at it soon-ish | 20:54 |
| jlucci | Yeah. That would be a good action item as well. Research heat co-routines or whatevers | 20:55 |
| randallburt | and adrian_otto is right, its not a task issue as much as changes being made to the existing system that would make doing both a bit… messy | 20:55 |
| harlowja | #action jlucci get overview of heat co-routine and report back? | 20:55 |
| alexheneveld | harlowja: yes it is just fsm so would map to tasks but it is native python so not a small job (plus state is persisted). also i can't take any credit, it is all zaneb's work! | 20:55 |
| jlucci | Works for me. :D | 20:56 |
| harlowja | alexheneveld cool, looking forward to more info | 20:56 |
| alexheneveld | #action alexheneveld get sam corbett from our side to give you chapter and verse :) | 20:56 |
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| harlowja | +- singing a choir song | 20:56 |
| harlowja | lol | 20:57 |
| harlowja | ok cool, so lets finish up with any action items from last time (probably should have started with this) | 20:57 |
| harlowja | #topic action-items-that-should-of-been-done-at-the-start | 20:57 |
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| harlowja | adrian_otto so galleria stuff quick :) | 20:57 |
| adrian_otto | provided update earlier. | 20:57 |
| harlowja | speed IRC, lol | 20:57 |
| harlowja | perfect :) | 20:57 |
| adrian_otto | Galera should work. | 20:58 |
| adrian_otto | of the options for a SQL backend, it's my preferred one. | 20:58 |
| * adrian_otto done | 20:58 | |
| harlowja | agreed | 20:58 |
| dansmith | (two minute warning :) | 20:58 |
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| harlowja | adrian_otto would u want to update https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/StructuredWorkflowLocks#Databases with anything u learned | 20:59 |
| harlowja | 1 minute, ahhhh | 20:59 |
| adrian_otto | #adction adrian_otto to update wiki with Galera as a SQL option | 20:59 |
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| harlowja | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/StructuredWorkflowLocks#Databases | 20:59 |
| jlucci | nopressurenopressure | 20:59 |
| harlowja | ah | 20:59 |
| harlowja | ok, anything else? | 20:59 |
| hemna | looks good guys | 20:59 |
| harlowja | thx :) mailing list for anything else! | 21:00 |
| adrian_otto | #action drian_otto to update wiki with Galera as a SQL option | 21:00 |
| jlucci | Thanks guys! | 21:00 |
| harlowja | #action adrian_otto to update wiki with Galera as a SQL option | 21:00 |
| alexheneveld | bye folks | 21:00 |
| harlowja | #endmeeting | 21:00 |
| changbl | ttyl | 21:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "R/O volumes (Meeting topic: cinder)" | 21:00 | |
| adrian_otto | bye | 21:00 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jun 6 21:00:23 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/state_management/2013/state_management.2013-06-06-20.00.html | 21:00 |
| kebray | great work and progress! | 21:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/state_management/2013/state_management.2013-06-06-20.00.txt | 21:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/state_management/2013/state_management.2013-06-06-20.00.log.html | 21:00 |
| randallburt | bye all! | 21:00 |
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| dansmith | #startmeeting nova | 21:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jun 6 21:00:38 2013 UTC. The chair is dansmith. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova' | 21:00 |
| dansmith | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Nova | 21:00 |
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| dansmith | russellb asked me to run this in his absence | 21:00 |
| dansmith | who is around? | 21:00 |
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| dripton | hi | 21:00 |
| cyeoh | hi | 21:00 |
| devananda | \o | 21:00 |
| n0ano | o/ | 21:01 |
| melwitt | hi | 21:01 |
| krtaylor | o/ | 21:01 |
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| ken1ohmichi | hi | 21:01 |
| mriedem1 | hi | 21:01 |
| hartsocks | \\o | 21:01 |
| dansmith | cool, not sure we'll have all that much to talk about, but we'll run through the same ol' agenda items and see | 21:01 |
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| dansmith | #topic havana blueprints | 21:01 |
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| dansmith | blueprints: we've got 'em | 21:01 |
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| dansmith | anything anyone needs to bring up about a blueprint? | 21:02 |
| dansmith | any blueprints needing (re-)targeting or anything? | 21:02 |
| vishy | o/ | 21:02 |
| dansmith | vishy: go! | 21:02 |
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| alaski | o/ | 21:02 |
| vishy | well i have two small blueprints i will be creating soon | 21:02 |
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| vishy | one was the ml post and poc i made earlier about volume-swap | 21:03 |
| vishy | the other is about live-snapshots that i mentioned yesterday | 21:03 |
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| * dansmith thinks live snapshots == cool | 21:03 | |
| dansmith | vishy: are you expecting these to be targeted to H2? | 21:04 |
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| vishy | possibly | 21:04 |
| vishy | i think yes | 21:04 |
| vishy | since i don't think either is very big | 21:04 |
| dansmith | okay, cool | 21:04 |
| vishy | the outstanding question is someone going to implement them for other hypervisors? | 21:04 |
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| dansmith | hartsocks: ? | 21:05 |
| hartsocks | @dansmith I'll look at it. | 21:05 |
| dansmith | okay | 21:05 |
| dansmith | I don't think we have representation from any of the other hypervisors here, but I assume they would have spoken up on the ML | 21:06 |
| alaski | I can bring it up with johnthetubaguy re: xen | 21:06 |
| dansmith | alaski: cool | 21:06 |
| alaski | just to get his thoughts | 21:06 |
| mriedem1 | dansmith: i can look at it for powervm | 21:06 |
| dansmith | #action alaski to talk to johnthetubaguy about live snapshots and volume swap | 21:06 |
| dansmith | #action mriedem1 to look at live snapshots and volume swap for powervm | 21:07 |
| dansmith | vishy: anything else on that? | 21:07 |
| hartsocks | @dansmith I'll put it on the vmwareapi team agenda to discuss | 21:07 |
| dansmith | #action hartsocks to bring up volume swap and live snapshots on the vmwareapi team meeting | 21:07 |
| vishy | nope | 21:08 |
| dansmith | okay, alaski: did you have a blueprint to bring up? | 21:08 |
| alaski | dansmith: that was my hello wave. Though I do have a quick question on the scheduling blueprint that I can ask | 21:08 |
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| dansmith | cool | 21:08 |
| alaski | So in order to break up the tasks to prepare for orchestration, things like allocate_networks are looking like they need a new compute rpcapi call | 21:09 |
| alaski | But for that one in particular, the only reason it can't be done in conductor is the get_mac_* call which differs based on virt driver | 21:10 |
| alaski | I guess I'm wondering what the thought is on more back and forth RPC calls, and if I should worry about trying to mive that up a level | 21:10 |
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| alaski | even though conceptually it fits on the compute node. It just doesn't actually need to run there based on the logic I've seen | 21:11 |
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| dansmith | but it might someday, right? | 21:11 |
| dansmith | seems like a very virt-driver-ish sort of thing | 21:11 |
| alaski | it is | 21:11 |
| alaski | And I kind of like it staying there. It's just that spawn would be moving from one RPC call to probably 4 | 21:12 |
| dansmith | yeah | 21:12 |
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| alaski | just wanted to make sure no one is concerned about that | 21:12 |
| dansmith | interestingly, | 21:12 |
| dansmith | this would apply rather neatly to objects, although kinda different than the other cases | 21:12 |
| dansmith | where we could ask for an driver info object from compute once, | 21:12 |
| dansmith | which could implement the mac function locally, never needing an rpc call back, | 21:13 |
| dansmith | or it could make it remoted and then every call would go back to compute if needed | 21:13 |
| dansmith | but that's just craziness since I have objects on the brain :) | 21:13 |
| dansmith | comstud: any thoughts on the extra rpc traffic alaski is asking about? | 21:13 |
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| alaski | :) that sounds great actually, the never needing an RPC call. Since in this case the logic is driver specific, but not host specific | 21:14 |
| comstud | the problem is expanding instances right? | 21:14 |
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| comstud | sorry, i need to scroll back | 21:14 |
| alaski | more RPC calls | 21:14 |
| dansmith | the problem is moving things out of compute to conductor, | 21:14 |
| comstud | Why is the message larger ? | 21:14 |
| dansmith | and then needing access to things that compute has, like asking the virt driver to generate a mac | 21:14 |
| comstud | Is this the qpid problem we're talkinga bout? | 21:14 |
| comstud | It doesn't support > 64K msg size | 21:14 |
| dansmith | no | 21:14 |
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| comstud | Oh | 21:14 |
| alaski | The message isn't larger, just more of them | 21:14 |
| alaski | also, the qpid fix was merged yesterday | 21:15 |
| dansmith | hah | 21:15 |
| comstud | I am in favor of more calls from conductor to compute | 21:15 |
| dansmith | we should have woken up ol' man bearhands earlier | 21:15 |
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| comstud | if that's what's being asked | 21:15 |
| comstud | Yeah, I forgot about this mtg :) | 21:15 |
| alaski | comstud: cool. Just wanted to get some positive vibes before I do all that plumbing | 21:16 |
| comstud | Splitting up the work into more calls makes for better error recovery and retrying and whatever you may need to do | 21:16 |
| comstud | IMO | 21:16 |
| johnthetubaguy | sorry, I missed stuff, conductor is gonna start making all the RPC calls to compute still right? | 21:16 |
| comstud | I'm fine with it on the backend... but not in the API :) | 21:16 |
| dansmith | alaski: sounds like you're good then | 21:17 |
| johnthetubaguy | comstud +1 hoping migrate improves due to that | 21:17 |
| comstud | (ie, not when a caller is blocking) | 21:17 |
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| alaski | dansmith: cool | 21:17 |
| mriedem1 | just an fyi, i'm planning on submitting a blueprint to support config drive and attach/detach volumes for the powervm driver sometime here (hopefully next week) | 21:17 |
| alaski | johnthetubaguy: conductor to compute manager | 21:17 |
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| johnthetubaguy | alaski: cool, all good | 21:17 |
| dansmith | okay, so we're good on that it sounds like | 21:17 |
| comstud | +1 | 21:17 |
| alaski | I'm good | 21:17 |
| comstud | dansmith: 'for now' | 21:18 |
| dansmith | mriedem1: did you have anything more to say about that, or just a warning to the group? | 21:18 |
| mriedem1 | just giving a warning | 21:18 |
| dansmith | comstud: right, until you change your mind. it's always implied | 21:18 |
| dansmith | mriedem1: okay | 21:18 |
| comstud | correcto | 21:18 |
| dansmith | any other blueprint discussion? | 21:18 |
| ken1ohmichi | can i bring api-validation up? | 21:18 |
| dansmith | sure | 21:18 |
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| ken1ohmichi | now we are discussing WSME or jsonschema for validation. | 21:19 |
| hartsocks | neat | 21:19 |
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| ken1ohmichi | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/25358/ | 21:21 |
| hartsocks | thank you. I couldn't find it. | 21:21 |
| cyeoh | ken1ohmichi: I don't think we are getting WSME in Nova for a while? afaik no one is working on it. | 21:22 |
| ken1ohmichi | In this patches, WSME is not used for nova-v3-api. so I'd like to discuss jsonschema will be used for nova-v3-api. | 21:22 |
| ken1ohmichi | cyeoh: yes, right. | 21:22 |
| dansmith | is there some discussion to have here? | 21:24 |
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| dansmith | any other blueprint items to bring up? | 21:24 |
| dansmith | alright | 21:25 |
| dansmith | #topic bugs | 21:25 |
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| dansmith | we have those too! | 21:25 |
| whenry_ | is this nova meeting? is it still active? how do I make a comment/discuss a topic? | 21:25 |
| jog0 | dansmith: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/flavor-instance-type-dedup needs a review | 21:25 |
| dansmith | I don't have the link to the bug plot, does anyone have it handy? | 21:26 |
| jog0 | or two or three | 21:26 |
| dansmith | 58 new bugs right now | 21:26 |
| dripton | whenry_: yes, it's the right time to talk about the qpid leak | 21:26 |
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| dansmith | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/flavor-instance-type-dedup | 21:26 |
| * whenry_ has identified the qpidd leak problem. it's a bad nasty one. tross and I have been looking at it and we think we have fixed it and simplified dramatically | 21:27 | |
| dansmith | whenry_: okay, is there a link to a review? | 21:27 |
| whenry_ | dansmith, I don't have a link right now. we are still testing but it looks promising. | 21:27 |
| whenry_ | where to I post link for review when it's time | 21:28 |
| whenry_ | ? | 21:28 |
| dansmith | okay, is this different than the one alaski mentioned a minute ago? | 21:28 |
| dripton | yes | 21:28 |
| dansmith | okay | 21:28 |
| dripton | alaski's qpid bug was the 65535 limit on a message | 21:28 |
| dansmith | gotcha | 21:28 |
| dripton | this one is qpid leaking lots of exchanges | 21:28 |
| dansmith | okay | 21:29 |
| dripton | whenry_: is https://review.openstack.org/#/c/29617/ helpful or unrelated? | 21:29 |
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| dansmith | do we need to discuss it? sounds like until it hits gerrit, there's not much else to do, is that right? | 21:29 |
| dripton | (It at least lets us turn durable on and off for qpid like we can for rabbit.) | 21:29 |
| tedross | dripton: 65535 limit on what? | 21:29 |
| dripton | size of a message sent across qpid | 21:29 |
| whenry_ | there is no such limit | 21:29 |
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| dripton | see commit 781a8f908cd3e5e69ff8b88d998fa93c48532e15 from yesterday | 21:29 |
| alaski | I think it was just the size of a string within a message, but not exactly sure | 21:30 |
| dansmith | dripton: it's size of a single string, IIRC | 21:30 |
| dansmith | right | 21:30 |
| tedross | dripton: there's no such limit unless you're carrying the content in a header | 21:30 |
| tedross | rather than the message body | 21:30 |
| dripton | well, the commit went in yesterday, so you're a bit late, but feel free to go back and see if there's a better way. | 21:30 |
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| whenry_ | dripton, who was the "feel free" comment addressed to? | 21:31 |
| whenry_ | dragondm, this re the string size limit? | 21:32 |
| dripton | you and tedross. Anyone who thinks that wasn't a real qpid problem that alaski fixed. | 21:32 |
| whenry_ | dripton, , this re the string size limit? | 21:32 |
| dripton | whenry_: right | 21:32 |
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| whenry_ | dripton, ack I'll let tedross look at that | 21:32 |
| alaski | well, I didn't fix it. I just copied the fix from oslo | 21:32 |
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| dansmith | okay, so I think we're good on these two issues for now, anything else? | 21:33 |
| whenry_ | so re https://review.openstack.org/#/c/29617/ when do we discuss this? | 21:34 |
| dansmith | jog0: shall we get back to your blueprint link in open discussion? | 21:34 |
| whenry_ | what use case is begging for durable? | 21:34 |
| jog0 | dansmith: I hope there isn't to much to discuss about it, just to review | 21:34 |
| dripton | whenry_: I think the leak was begging for a way to turn durable off | 21:34 |
| dragondm | Hrrrm? | 21:34 |
| dansmith | jog0: okay | 21:35 |
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| whenry_ | dripton, oh well that's fixed now ;-) when we send the code for review | 21:35 |
| mriedem1 | dansmith: the only thing related to bugs i'd bring up is asking for help from core reviewers to check this out, i think it's ready: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/30694/ | 21:35 |
| whenry_ | dragondm, sorry about that .. go back | 21:35 |
| dansmith | okay, anything else on bugs? | 21:36 |
| hartsocks | heh, if we're soliciting reviews, I've got one: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/30036/ | 21:36 |
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| dansmith | everyone has a pet review, lets bring up critical bugs needing discussion here and save the others for the end okay? :) | 21:37 |
| hartsocks | sorry. | 21:37 |
| dansmith | #topic subteam reports | 21:37 |
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| dripton | db | 21:37 |
| dansmith | who has a subteam report to make? | 21:37 |
| n0ano | scheduler | 21:37 |
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| johnthetubaguy | xenapi: smokestack (was) back testing on XenServer 6.1 EOM | 21:38 |
| dansmith | okay, dripton: go for db | 21:38 |
| dansmith | johnthetubaguy: nice :) | 21:38 |
| dripton | DB meeting failed to happen again. Need a new meeting time that's more Europe friendly since that's where everyone is. | 21:38 |
| dripton | But we got a bunch of good patches in | 21:38 |
| dripton | And maurosr fixed the postgresql gate failure, which is awesome. | 21:38 |
| dripton | that's all | 21:38 |
| johnthetubaguy | dansmith: credit to danprince for his good work | 21:38 |
| dansmith | johnthetubaguy: sorry, you said EOM, so you have to save it until next week :) | 21:39 |
| dansmith | dripton: okay, cool | 21:39 |
| dansmith | n0ano: scheduler, go for it | 21:39 |
| johnthetubaguy | dansmith: lol, oK | 21:39 |
| devananda | ironic | 21:39 |
| n0ano | long discussion on isolation filter, hope to coalesce (sp) 3 BPs into one ... | 21:39 |
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| n0ano | jog0, brought up issue of BlueHost creating a 16K OpenStack cluster and had to throw out the scheduler (didn't scale)... | 21:40 |
| n0ano | expect to see a lively discussion over that issue at the meeting next Tues. | 21:40 |
| n0ano | that's about it, read the IRC log for details | 21:40 |
| dansmith | hah, okay, cool | 21:40 |
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| dansmith | hartsocks: vmware | 21:41 |
| hartsocks | So, we're starting to get some motion on blueprints. | 21:41 |
| hartsocks | There are several blueprint related patches up for review. | 21:41 |
| hartsocks | We're having some in depth design discussions on some of these b/c a few conflict with each other. | 21:41 |
| hartsocks | Also, reviews are taking a long time. | 21:42 |
| hartsocks | We're looking at getting together a group of people who are really good with VMwareAPI to kind of "pre-review" these patches ahead of the core team that way y'all can focus on the OpenStack bits of the patches. | 21:42 |
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| hartsocks | That… and we've got guys in about 5 timezones now… so yeah. That's fun. | 21:43 |
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| hartsocks | That's it for us. See the Wiki for logs. | 21:43 |
| dansmith | welcome to the club :) | 21:45 |
| dansmith | it's really scary when you get five guys in six timezones, but.. | 21:45 |
| dansmith | okay, cool | 21:45 |
| dansmith | devananda: ironic | 21:45 |
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| devananda | hi! | 21:45 |
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| devananda | wanted to say thanks to dansmith - we've ported some of his work with unified objects | 21:45 |
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| devananda | and are moving with that now, hoping to see it get into oslo :) | 21:45 |
| dansmith | woo! | 21:45 |
| devananda | other than that, i think there's not a lot of nova-facing news. | 21:46 |
| devananda | [eol] | 21:46 |
| dansmith | heh, okay, cool | 21:46 |
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| dansmith | comstud: you want to (or want me to) talk about objects a little? | 21:46 |
| devananda | oh! | 21:46 |
| devananda | i nearly forgot - one other thing. | 21:47 |
| devananda | gherivero is porting a lot of the image manipulation from nova to glance-client | 21:47 |
| * devananda looks for the link | 21:47 | |
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| devananda | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/31473/ | 21:47 |
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| devananda | not sure how directly that affects you guys, but worth knowing about | 21:48 |
| devananda | really done this time :) | 21:48 |
| dansmith | cool | 21:48 |
| dansmith | well, I'll talk about objects real quick then | 21:48 |
| dansmith | so, we're making lots of progress on getting objects into the tree | 21:48 |
| comstud | well | 21:49 |
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| dansmith | we've got a lot of base stuff integrated and we keep refining that with the patches to actually start using them floating ever so slightly above the cut line | 21:49 |
| comstud | we need reviewers. | 21:49 |
| comstud | other than me | 21:49 |
| comstud | and dan | 21:49 |
| comstud | :) | 21:49 |
| dansmith | heh, yes :) | 21:49 |
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| dansmith | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+branch:master+topic:bp/unified-object-model,n,z | 21:49 |
| vishy | devananda: what image manip? | 21:49 |
| comstud | dansmith has about 100 patches up already | 21:49 |
| dansmith | er, | 21:49 |
| dansmith | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+branch:master+topic:bp/unified-object-model,n,z | 21:49 |
| dansmith | heh | 21:49 |
| dripton | this meeting was a great break from gerrit emailing me constantly with more dansmith patches | 21:50 |
| dansmith | haha | 21:50 |
| devananda | vishy: comments on that review explain it pretty thoroughly. tl;dr - nova and cinder duplicate a bunch of the code to download an manipulate glance images. ironic needs to do the same stuff | 21:50 |
| devananda | vishy: and we figure it's time to share that code instead of keep copying it all over ... :) | 21:50 |
| dripton | devananda: does that mean the code comes out of nova after it goes into glanceclient? | 21:50 |
| vishy | i guess i'm not clear on "manipulate" | 21:51 |
| devananda | dripton: i think that's the plan, yes. | 21:51 |
| comstud | vishy: nova's image_service code. | 21:51 |
| dripton | devananda: ++ | 21:51 |
| comstud | nova/image/glance.py | 21:51 |
| vishy | yeah I'm wondering what manipulation it did | 21:51 |
| devananda | dripton: i'm not sure if ghe is planning on doing that (would love it if any nova folks want to help out) | 21:52 |
| devananda | vishy: file injection | 21:52 |
| vishy | just curious if it overlaps with the stuff going into brick | 21:52 |
| comstud | i think that's just his word for create/update/delete.. which it all wraps | 21:52 |
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| comstud | :) | 21:52 |
| comstud | if we need this much wrapping of glanceclient... | 21:53 |
| comstud | it does feel like there's a problem with glanceclient | 21:53 |
| comstud | or something. | 21:53 |
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| vishy | ok i don't see anything in there for qcow or lvm handling | 21:54 |
| vishy | seems ok then | 21:54 |
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| dansmith | okay, anything else on subteam reports? | 21:55 |
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| hartsocks | well... | 21:56 |
| hartsocks | some of us vmware folks might need to be schooled on what "ephemeral" disks are... | 21:56 |
| dansmith | sounds like a perfect segway into the open discussion/whining portion | 21:57 |
| dansmith | #topic open discussion | 21:57 |
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| hartsocks | I keep forgetting to mention we also have #openstack-vmware | 21:57 |
| hartsocks | for *developer* discussion tho | 21:57 |
| hartsocks | Please don't send disgruntled Admins in there... | 21:57 |
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| hartsocks | :-p | 21:58 |
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| dansmith | okay, time | 21:59 |
| dansmith | #endmeeting | 22:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jun 6 22:00:02 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2013/nova.2013-06-06-21.00.html | 22:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2013/nova.2013-06-06-21.00.txt | 22:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2013/nova.2013-06-06-21.00.log.html | 22:00 |
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| dansmith | heh | 22:00 |
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| jgriffith | devananda: ping | 22:22 |
| devananda | pong | 22:23 |
| devananda | jgriffith: pong | 22:23 |
| jgriffith | devananda: hey... just wondering on that patch | 22:23 |
| jgriffith | devananda: so is the idea to move the image_utils duplication out | 22:23 |
| jgriffith | devananda: ie be able to call into glance API | 22:23 |
| jgriffith | devananda: from cinder/nova etc and keep it all there? | 22:24 |
| jgriffith | devananda: of course I can just look at the code :) | 22:24 |
| devananda | jgriffith: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2013-June/009815.html | 22:25 |
| devananda | jgriffith: might give better background | 22:25 |
| jgriffith | devananda: awesome, thanks! | 22:25 |
| devananda | jgriffith: our initial thought was move it to oslo, but some discussion ensued and glanceclient seemed to be the concensus. a few file utils did make it into oslo | 22:26 |
| devananda | i think those landed yesterday or this morning | 22:26 |
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