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| mestery | Hi folks, everyone here for the ml2 meeting? | 13:59 |
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| apech | yup, let's do it! | 13:59 |
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| mestery | apech: Love the enthusiasm. :) | 13:59 |
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| apech | mestery: haha, it's early in the morning for me | 13:59 |
| mestery | OK, lets get started! | 14:00 |
| mestery | #startmeeting networking_ml2 | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jun 19 14:00:12 2013 UTC. The chair is mestery. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: networking_ml2)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking_ml2' | 14:00 |
| mestery | #agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/ML2 | 14:00 |
| mestery | Before we get started on the agenda, rkukura, you here too? | 14:00 |
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| rkukura | hi | 14:00 |
| mestery | hey | 14:01 |
| mestery | OK, so the first item on the agenda is blueprints. | 14:01 |
| mestery | Lets start with the MechanismDriver blueprint | 14:01 |
| mestery | #link MechanismDriver Code Review https://review.openstack.org/33201 | 14:02 |
| mestery | apech: Nice work on getting this out over the weekend! | 14:02 |
| apech | sure - got a lot of great comments, thanks everyone. I think i'm in line with most of them. Had one question on testing that might be interesting | 14:02 |
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| apech | i should have another version out for review in the next day or so | 14:02 |
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| mestery | apech: great! | 14:03 |
| mestery | apech: What was the testing question? | 14:03 |
| apech | mark mcclain rightly brought up the question of testing, which I had been a bit ignoring under the assumption that most would be driven by the actual mechanism driver implementations (including ours) | 14:03 |
| apech | any thoughts on a generic test suite I should add, or is putting this off in the short term ok? | 14:03 |
| apech | I could go down the path of adding test mechanism drivers, but that seemed a bit silly | 14:04 |
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| mestery | I think putting it off for the short term is ok, until we get an actual MechanismDriver. | 14:04 |
| rkukura | An obvious approach would be to unit test the manager classes using a mock driver | 14:04 |
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| rcurran | i'm guessing that's what mark m was looking for | 14:04 |
| apech | sure, that's true, could right a targetted test for the manager | 14:04 |
| apech | okay, thanks! | 14:05 |
| apech | other people have questinos for me on the mechanism driver? | 14:05 |
| mestery | Yes, I think in general, we'll want solid unit tests before most of these blueprints go up. | 14:05 |
| rkukura | we probably should also plan a test for each driver class too | 14:05 |
| apech | rkukura - yes, for sure | 14:05 |
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| rkukura | I was also trying to figure out how to test the rpc methods to make sure correct results returned, etc. | 14:06 |
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| sukhdev | ON the subject od testing, Can I ask you guys a question about bringing up of ML2 with devstack? | 14:06 |
| apech | rkukura: are you thinking of an end to end test, or a stubbed out rpc responder? | 14:06 |
| rkukura | apech: had not decided between those | 14:07 |
| rkukura | sukhdev: what's the devstack question? | 14:07 |
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| apech | rkukura: yeah, this comes up in the context of all mechanism drivers making external calls, though there I think the response has to be stubbed out | 14:07 |
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| mestery | apech: Agreed. | 14:08 |
| rcurran | yes, that's what we did w/ our netconf calls ... stubbed | 14:08 |
| sukhdev | rkukura: yesterday I was able to play with ML2, created networks, VMs, etc... but, had to struggle a lot - could not find any instructions on config | 14:08 |
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| rkukura | would seem to make sense to test mechanism drivers that make remote calls directly, with a stubbed out client lib or whatever | 14:08 |
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| sukhdev | Is it documented some where as to the localrc setups to fire off ML2 instead of OVSPlugin? | 14:09 |
| rkukura | sukhdev: we will definitely need to cover ml2 in the docs, etc., but maybe a wiki page for now that everyone can easily contribute to | 14:09 |
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| rkukura | sukhdev: The comments in the script for devstack's ml2 support should have some info | 14:10 |
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| sukhdev | rkukura: do you have any wiki page - where I can add to? or do you have any cheatsheet that you have been using that I can leverage from? | 14:11 |
| mestery | #action mestery to setup a wiki page for ML2 with devstack | 14:11 |
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| mestery | sukhdev: I'll set one up (or start one). | 14:11 |
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| sukhdev | mestery: tahnks | 14:11 |
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| rkukura | lets have one top-level ml2 page with links to a devstack page, the meeting page, etc. | 14:11 |
| mestery | rkukura: OK, makes sense. | 14:12 |
| mestery | OK, any more questions on MechanismDriver? | 14:12 |
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| rkukura | Did I post my comment about bulk operations? | 14:12 |
| apech | mestery: i'm good | 14:12 |
| mestery | rkukura: I don't think so. | 14:12 |
| apech | rkukura: yes | 14:12 |
| rcurran | not for now, i'm porting over one of our subplugins now ... conf questions will need to be addressed (obviously) | 14:13 |
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| apech | sorry, i meant in the review :) | 14:13 |
| mestery | apech: No worries. | 14:13 |
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| mestery | rcurran: Yes, configuration items will have to be dealt with. | 14:13 |
| mestery | OK, lets move on to the next agenda item. | 14:13 |
| rkukura | Do we all agree its OK to use the default bulk operation implementations for now that call the normal ones inside a single transaction? | 14:13 |
| apech | rkukura: did you have something you wanted to bring up here? | 14:14 |
| mestery | rkukura: I'm all in favor of keeping things simple, given how close H2 is. :) | 14:14 |
| apech | rkukura: that seems like the simple approach | 14:14 |
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| apech | rkurura: do you think the api will have to change to better support bulk operations? | 14:15 |
| rkukura | agreed - just want to make sure we are clear that the outside-the-transaction semantics for the _postcommit() ops don't apply yet to bulk ops | 14:15 |
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| mestery | I think that's a tradeoff I'm ok with for now. | 14:15 |
| apech | rkukura: ah right, good point | 14:15 |
| apech | mestery: agreed, let's get a first working version we're happy with | 14:15 |
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| rkukura | I think the proposed mechanism driver API should be OK, but we will eventually need to call create_precommit() for all the items, commit, then call create_postcommit() for each | 14:16 |
| mestery | #info ML2 MechanismDriver to keep default bulk operations for now due to the approach of H2. | 14:16 |
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| apech | rkukura: right, we'll need to override the _bulk functions as you pointed out in the review | 14:16 |
| rkukura | lets file a bug to track this | 14:17 |
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| apech | I'm happy to take that on for H3 | 14:17 |
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| mestery | apech: Can you file a bug? | 14:17 |
| apech | mestery: sure, will do | 14:17 |
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| mestery | #action apech to file bug to track bulk operation fixes for H3. | 14:17 |
| rkukura | sounds good | 14:18 |
| mestery | OK, anything else on MechanismDriver? | 14:18 |
| mestery | #topic ml2-portbinding | 14:18 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "ml2-portbinding (Meeting topic: networking_ml2)" | 14:18 | |
| mestery | I thought I'd move to portbinding next. | 14:18 |
| mestery | Before moving to the TypeDrivers. | 14:18 |
| rkukura | any feedback on the "context" class idea, which might apply to portbinding and other ops on mechanism driver? | 14:18 |
| apech | rkukura: I like it (especially the caching) | 14:19 |
| mestery | rkukura: Do you have a link to info on that? | 14:19 |
| apech | one question is how far to go - do you put everything in the context, or is 'network' / 'port' dict still separate | 14:19 |
| apech | am coding it up now :) | 14:19 |
| mestery | apech: got it :) | 14:19 |
| sukhdev | I think we need info on the instance information in the context | 14:19 |
| rkukura | cool - what are your thoughts on making it the only param? | 14:20 |
| apech | standard thoughts on type safety. Were you thinking of a single context class, or one for network, one for port, etc | 14:20 |
| rkukura | and do we want separate context classes for each operation, for each resource type, or a single one? | 14:21 |
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| apech | rkukura: I was thinking separate per resource | 14:21 |
| rkukura | makes sense if it works | 14:21 |
| apech | thoughts? | 14:21 |
| rkukura | could always subclass for specific ops later if needed | 14:21 |
| apech | right, was definitely going to go heirarchical. hard to saw how it will turn out not having finished it yet | 14:21 |
| rkukura | OK, as soon as you settle on something, please share it and I'll try to figure out if the portbinding stuff fits | 14:22 |
| sukhdev | folks, we need Instance info, in addition to port info - | 14:22 |
| apech | okay that works | 14:22 |
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| apech | others okay with the context idea? | 14:22 |
| rkukura | sukhdev: what do you mean by "instance info"? | 14:23 |
| mestery | apech: Seems like it will work to me. | 14:23 |
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| sukhdev | rkukura: VM Id, etc | 14:23 |
| rcurran | not following the portbinding stuff specifically, but everything regarding the use of context makes sense to me | 14:23 |
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| apech | rcurran: great | 14:23 |
| apech | rkukura: will send out review once I have it | 14:23 |
| rkukura | sukhdev: the portbinding ops on mech drivers will have the host_id from the portbinding extension, but I'm not sure about more specific info from nova | 14:24 |
| sukhdev | rkukura: Yes, I know it has host_id - but, we need in addition VM ID, name, etc. -- some additional params | 14:25 |
| rkukura | rcurran: the portbinding BP covers letting the MechanismDrivers determine what segment will be used for a port, and returning the correct binding:vif_type for the mechanism used on that node | 14:25 |
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| rcurran | ok, got it | 14:25 |
| rkukura | sukhdev: does the necessary info get set on port currently - device_id or something? | 14:26 |
| sukhdev | rkukura: I can look it up and let you know - as of now, I do not know | 14:26 |
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| rkukura | sukhdev: OK - I think the port dict will be available to mech drivers, so if they should be able to get the instance ID for the port and get the nova instance | 14:27 |
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| mestery | OK, anything else on portbinding? | 14:28 |
| rkukura | hopefully will have code to look at early next week | 14:28 |
| mestery | rkukura: Great! | 14:29 |
| mestery | OK, if nothing else on portbinding, lets move on to the next agenda item then. | 14:29 |
| mestery | #topic ml2-gre | 14:29 |
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| mestery | #link https://review.openstack.org/33297 ml2-gre code review | 14:30 |
| matrohon | hi | 14:30 |
| mestery | matrohon: Hi! | 14:30 |
| matrohon | i just submitted a new patch | 14:30 |
| matrohon | on the review | 14:30 |
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| mestery | matrohon: This one looks like it has a new TunnelType class now? | 14:30 |
| rkukura | matrohon: I'll give that a close review today | 14:31 |
| matrohon | mestery : yes, t's a generic clss to handle RPC and endpoints stuff related to tunnel types | 14:31 |
| mestery | matrohon: Great! Thanks for taking care of this, as the VXLAN type driver will need this as well. | 14:31 |
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| mestery | I will also review this today, though I see it is failing Jenkins right now. | 14:32 |
| mestery | matrohon: Looks like the white space issues may be causing flake8 to fail. | 14:32 |
| matrohon | yes i wanted to share it for the moment, so i misse flake8 tests | 14:33 |
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| mestery | OK, so any questions on ml2-gre? | 14:33 |
| rkukura | should we ignore the jenkins flake8 issue for now, and review this version | 14:33 |
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| matrohon | rkukura : yes please, i've put it in WIP | 14:34 |
| rkukura | ok | 14:34 |
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| matrohon | please telle what what do you think about the general architecture | 14:34 |
| rkukura | will do - makes sense so far | 14:34 |
| mestery | matrohon: Sounds good. | 14:34 |
| matrohon | thanks | 14:34 |
| mestery | Any more questions on ml2-gre before we move to the next agenda item? | 14:35 |
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| mestery | #topic ml2-vxlan | 14:36 |
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| mestery | So, the updates on ml2-vxlan are short: I haven't started coding this yet. | 14:36 |
| mestery | I' | 14:36 |
| mestery | I've been stuck on a bug (which we'll discuss next). | 14:36 |
| mestery | matrohon: The work you've done for ml2-gre will make ml2-vxlan easier, however. | 14:36 |
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| matrohon | mestery : hope so | 14:37 |
| matrohon | the real challenge will be to manage both vxlan and gre on OVS | 14:37 |
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| mestery | matrohon: Yes, that will require some agent changes, which I will try to make as part of the ml2-vxlan blueprint I think. | 14:38 |
| feleouet | mestery: one question about that | 14:38 |
| feleouet | I gave a look at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/33107/ | 14:38 |
| feleouet | and am wondering on how to avoid duplicate work, as we were willing to start working on l2-population | 14:39 |
| mestery | feleouet: I have a new version of that patch I have not submitted yet, as I'm blocked on testing due to some Nova bug right now. | 14:39 |
| mestery | feleouet: I can submit what I have now (it passes flake8 and unit tests) so you can review the latest version. | 14:39 |
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| mestery | I think the l2-population work is intertwined with this as you say. | 14:40 |
| feleouet | which nova bug? | 14:40 |
| mestery | feleouet: I need to search for it, what I see is with the latest Havana, when I launch VMs nova-compute stops working (e.g. nova-manage service list shows it dead). | 14:41 |
| mestery | Something is hanging somewhere, as even the quantum agents stop communiating back to the server. | 14:41 |
| mestery | This is on Fedora 18 (rkukura, have you seen this recently?) | 14:41 |
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| rkukura | mestery: no, but I haven't run devstack for a couple weeks | 14:42 |
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| mestery | rkukura: If you give it a shot with Fedora, let me know if things work for you. | 14:42 |
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| mestery | Anyways, I need to chase that down after the meeting this morning. | 14:42 |
| rkukura | ok | 14:42 |
| mestery | feleouet: Sorry for the long-winded story there, but how should we ensure no overlap? | 14:43 |
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| feleouet | mestery: don't know how to manage that, but we're goig to start working on that on our side | 14:44 |
| mestery | feleouet: OK, lets try to stay in sync. I'll send my latest patch out after the meeting, please provide comments if you can. | 14:45 |
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| matrohon | mestery : great | 14:45 |
| feleouet | maybe ovs agent can stay as is (meaning ovs or vxlan) in the meanwhile | 14:45 |
| feleouet | or we'll rebase our efforts on your work | 14:45 |
| mestery | feleouet: That's the plan, at least with the bug you referenced. | 14:45 |
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| mestery | feleouet: OK, great! | 14:46 |
| mestery | OK, I think we covered the ML2 Bugs during this last discussion. | 14:46 |
| mestery | So, lets move on to the next agenda item then. | 14:46 |
| mestery | #topic Ported MechanismDrivers | 14:46 |
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| mestery | I put a list of the MechanismDrivers I know are under development in the agenda. | 14:47 |
| mestery | If people want to update status during this slot, that would be great! | 14:47 |
| sukhdev | We will be submitting Arista Driver sometime next week to be added to this list | 14:47 |
| mestery | sukhdev: Cool! | 14:48 |
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| rcurran | cisco - porting over nexus plugin (assuming OVS will still be hardcoded for now ... although this still needs to be addressed) | 14:48 |
| mestery | rcurran: Great! | 14:48 |
| rcurran | for other cisco subplugins to be ported over | 14:48 |
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| mestery | For the OpenDaylight driver, I need to port that over as a MechanismDriver. I won't get started on that until next week I suspect. | 14:49 |
| mestery | #topic Questions/Comments? | 14:50 |
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| mestery | OK, anything else for ML2 this week? | 14:50 |
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| rkukura | mestery: great job with the meetings! thanks | 14:51 |
| rkukura | ! | 14:51 |
| mestery | rkukura: Thanks! | 14:51 |
| mestery | OK, thanks for everyone's efforts on all the ML2 work! | 14:51 |
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| apech | thanks all | 14:51 |
| mestery | Lets keep the momentum going as H2 approaches! | 14:51 |
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| mestery | #endmeeting | 14:51 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jun 19 14:51:47 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:51 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_ml2/2013/networking_ml2.2013-06-19-14.00.html | 14:51 |
| rcurran | thanks | 14:51 |
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| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_ml2/2013/networking_ml2.2013-06-19-14.00.txt | 14:51 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_ml2/2013/networking_ml2.2013-06-19-14.00.log.html | 14:51 |
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| johnthetubaguy1 | #startmeeting XenAPI | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jun 19 15:00:17 2013 UTC. The chair is johnthetubaguy1. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'xenapi' | 15:00 |
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| johnthetubaguy | so, who is here for the meeting today? | 15:00 |
| johnthetubaguy | also, got anything for the agenda? | 15:00 |
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| matel | I am here. | 15:01 |
| johnthetubaguy | I was going ask about gating trunk progress, and that is about all | 15:01 |
| matel | Okay, you need bob. | 15:01 |
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| matel | What I wanted to ask, is a review on this: #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/33424/ | 15:02 |
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| johnthetubaguy | yeah, spoke to him earlier, think he is attending the bootcap | 15:02 |
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| johnthetubaguy | matel: sure, I spotted that the other day :) | 15:02 |
| matel | I'm working from HUN this week, and next, so I can't just shout for Bob. | 15:03 |
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| johnthetubaguy | gotcha | 15:03 |
| matel | And have you seen the quantum blog entry? #link http://blogs.citrix.com/2013/06/14/openstack-networking-quantum-on-xenserver-from-notworking-to-networking/ | 15:03 |
| BobBall | I'm here too | 15:03 |
| BobBall | sorry - was watching the wrong window | 15:04 |
| matel | Oh, we have a Bob. | 15:04 |
| BobBall | :D | 15:04 |
| BobBall | was wondering why the meeting hand't started... | 15:04 |
| BobBall | hadn't* | 15:04 |
| johnthetubaguy | so, just wondering if anyone has anything for the agenda | 15:04 |
| matel | John is asking about gating. | 15:04 |
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| johnthetubaguy | #topic OpenDiscussion | 15:04 |
| BobBall | I'd like to talk about snapshot_attached_here | 15:04 |
| johnthetubaguy | OK | 15:04 |
| BobBall | but we can talk about gating first | 15:04 |
| matel | link in a line of code. | 15:04 |
| johnthetubaguy | I think gating is OK, you are going away to NY to ask the people there about things | 15:05 |
| BobBall | 1 sec | 15:05 |
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| johnthetubaguy | fireaway about snapshot_attached_here, although I might not remember everything | 15:05 |
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| BobBall | https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/nova/virt/xenapi/vm_utils.py#L649 | 15:05 |
| BobBall | #link https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/nova/virt/xenapi/vm_utils.py#L649 | 15:06 |
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| matel | oK | 15:06 |
| BobBall | so - yes - snapshot_Attached_here | 15:06 |
| BobBall | doesn't attach a snapshot | 15:06 |
| BobBall | from what I can tell... :) | 15:06 |
| BobBall | it _creates_ a snapshot | 15:06 |
| BobBall | which is deleted at the end of the function (after yielding it to the caller) | 15:06 |
| BobBall | but nothing is attached in the context - correct? | 15:07 |
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| johnthetubaguy | yeah, maybe… yuck | 15:07 |
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| johnthetubaguy | never used it myself | 15:07 |
| johnthetubaguy | used vdi_attached_here | 15:07 |
| BobBall | well that does do an attach | 15:07 |
| BobBall | so that makes sense | 15:07 |
| johnthetubaguy | indeed | 15:07 |
| BobBall | but snapshot_attached_here doesn't AFAICT - agreed? | 15:08 |
| BobBall | If so, I'll rename it shortly | 15:08 |
| BobBall | The next thing I want to talk abnout is... | 15:08 |
| johnthetubaguy | one sec | 15:08 |
| BobBall | #link https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/nova/virt/xenapi/vm_utils.py#L1861 | 15:08 |
| johnthetubaguy | just looking at the change that introduced it | 15:08 |
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| matel | what does this function do... | 15:10 |
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| BobBall | that history is a mess | 15:10 |
| johnthetubaguy | BobBall: https://github.com/openstack/nova/commit/665516f72402eac00455517446716cd7d43323db maybe with_tempory_snapshot? | 15:10 |
| BobBall | yes | 15:10 |
| BobBall | that was what I was going to rename it to | 15:10 |
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| johnthetubaguy | cool | 15:11 |
| johnthetubaguy | sounds good | 15:11 |
| johnthetubaguy | so… _wait_for_vhd_coalesce | 15:11 |
| BobBall | yes | 15:11 |
| BobBall | wait for vhd coalesce... | 15:11 |
| matel | so. | 15:11 |
| BobBall | I don't understand it | 15:11 |
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| BobBall | it seems too complicated and I want to simplify it | 15:11 |
| matel | the main purpose seems to be, that you'll have a snapshot in the context. | 15:11 |
| BobBall | yes Mate - that's right | 15:12 |
| BobBall | and the 0'th uuid you get back is the snapshot uuid | 15:12 |
| BobBall | but that's all it does | 15:12 |
| matel | Name proposals? | 15:12 |
| BobBall | temporary_snapshot so you can have with temporary_snapshot | 15:12 |
| johnthetubaguy | well never touched that myself, it looks a bit dodgy, I think its trying to ensure the chain is as small as possible I guess | 15:12 |
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| johnthetubaguy | Oh, OK, sorry, we going back to that other code | 15:13 |
| BobBall | yes, that's what it's doing, but it's not doing it right (IMO) - if we want to ensure the chain is as small as possible then perhaps we should link through to the GC and ask when it's finished collecting on that SR | 15:13 |
| BobBall | it's easy to have a plugin that finds out if GC is running on the SR (and trigger it if not) | 15:13 |
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| BobBall | then we can have a check that the state is something we can manage - which is what we should be really testing... | 15:14 |
| johnthetubaguy | BobBall: yeah, we really should, its just using the public stuff and looping I guess | 15:14 |
| BobBall | I don't like the assumptions in the function | 15:14 |
| BobBall | no, no looping... | 15:14 |
| BobBall | it's dodgy because it's asking for a VDI ref _and_ an original parent UUID | 15:14 |
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| BobBall | so there is an in-built assumption that you know what will be coalesced | 15:14 |
| johnthetubaguy | erm, I supose | 15:15 |
| BobBall | which is wrong isn't it? | 15:16 |
| johnthetubaguy | from memory its to help tidy up after migration and snapshot uploads | 15:16 |
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| johnthetubaguy | so, feel free to go wild | 15:16 |
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| BobBall | ok. In terms of the wait condition, would there be objections to waiting on that SR for all GC to be completed? | 15:16 |
| BobBall | that may include other VDIs on the same SR, which is a pain | 15:17 |
| BobBall | but I'm not sure it wouldn't anyway (i.e. does the DB really reflect the right state mid-GC) | 15:17 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, I don't think it makes any material difference, sadly | 15:17 |
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| johnthetubaguy | it would be good to know the expected coallese has actually happened though | 15:17 |
| johnthetubaguy | incase the GC decided not to bother, for whatever reason | 15:18 |
| BobBall | indeed | 15:18 |
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| johnthetubaguy | well, that all sounds like something worth doing | 15:19 |
| johnthetubaguy | some good code tidies | 15:19 |
| BobBall | it's part of making EXT3 leaf coalesce work | 15:19 |
| johnthetubaguy | ah, OK, sounds good | 15:20 |
| BobBall | I know I could just fix the resize up case but I was trying to test it as I was going and there isn't a sensible way to do that atm | 15:20 |
| BobBall | :) | 15:20 |
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| johnthetubaguy | I had talking direct to the GC on my TODO list | 15:20 |
| BobBall | or if there is I haven't figured it out yet | 15:20 |
| johnthetubaguy | resize up case? | 15:20 |
| johnthetubaguy | ah yes | 15:20 |
| johnthetubaguy | the leaf VHD bigger than parent? | 15:20 |
| BobBall | yeah - if you do a resize up it uses snapshot_attached_here then assumes it continues to exist after it is deleted | 15:21 |
| johnthetubaguy | hmm, that sounds bad | 15:21 |
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| johnthetubaguy | resize up works today, so is it just an edge case that fails? | 15:21 |
| BobBall | so I was trying to prove that was the case by using wait_for_vhd_coalesce to GC (or fail to GC) the snapshot down into one VDI | 15:21 |
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| BobBall | no, it doesn't fail - XS doesn't support leaf coalesce for EXT3 atm | 15:22 |
| BobBall | so the case never happens | 15:22 |
| BobBall | because the snapshot is never coalesced down | 15:22 |
| johnthetubaguy | ah, I see | 15:22 |
| BobBall | however it's trivial to enable it and we want to enable it but not break openstack :) | 15:22 |
| johnthetubaguy | its only the non-leaf that are coalesced... | 15:22 |
| BobBall | correct | 15:22 |
| johnthetubaguy | OK, yeah, got confused with other things | 15:22 |
| BobBall | so after a snapshot you are currently guaranteed to have one base and one snap | 15:23 |
| BobBall | I want to break that guarantee :) | 15:23 |
| johnthetubaguy | cool | 15:23 |
| johnthetubaguy | makes sense | 15:23 |
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| BobBall | grand | 15:23 |
| BobBall | ok - I'll just plough on with what I'm doing then and put something up | 15:24 |
| BobBall | I'll raise a bug too - because I consinder this a bug against XS trunk | 15:24 |
| johnthetubaguy | sounds good | 15:24 |
| johnthetubaguy | you mean OS trunk? | 15:24 |
| BobBall | i.e. the OS code is making assumptions that aren't necessarily true | 15:24 |
| BobBall | no - OS running against XS turnk | 15:24 |
| BobBall | trunk* | 15:24 |
| johnthetubaguy | ah, I see now | 15:24 |
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| johnthetubaguy | OS fails on trunk because the orig has gone away | 15:25 |
| BobBall | Some fun news - euanh is going to look at a live migration bug this week! | 15:25 |
| johnthetubaguy | which bug? | 15:25 |
| BobBall | first OS bug he'll be fixing for us :) | 15:25 |
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| johnthetubaguy | got a link? | 15:25 |
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| BobBall | Maybe https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1073306 or https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1074087 depending on how things go | 15:26 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1073306 in nova "xenapi migrations don't apply security group filters" [Medium,Triaged] | 15:26 |
| johnthetubaguy | ah cool | 15:26 |
| johnthetubaguy | of course, don't forget to nick the bug when he starts looking | 15:27 |
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| johnthetubaguy | can you tell rackspace doesn't expose security groups yet... | 15:27 |
| BobBall | indeed. Currently fighting with devstack | 15:27 |
| johnthetubaguy | ah, a new tester for matel changes :) | 15:28 |
| BobBall | well more fighting with it expecting to install it's own Ubuntu VM which Mate isn't changing... | 15:28 |
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| matel | My job is to make Bob's life harder | 15:28 |
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| BobBall | You're doing great at that Mate! | 15:29 |
| matel | Thanks. | 15:29 |
| johnthetubaguy | hmm, OK | 15:29 |
| matel | So, I think you need the flat_network_bridge | 15:29 |
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| johnthetubaguy | anyways | 15:29 |
| johnthetubaguy | any more to discuss? | 15:30 |
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| matel | Just put FLAT_NETWORK_BRIDGE in your localrc with the right value. | 15:30 |
| matel | I am done, | 15:30 |
| BobBall | no, I think that's it from me! | 15:30 |
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| johnthetubaguy | cool | 15:31 |
| johnthetubaguy | #endmeeting | 15:31 |
| johnthetubaguy | thanks all | 15:31 |
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| johnthetubaguy1 | #endmeeting | 15:31 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jun 19 15:31:29 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:31 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/xenapi/2013/xenapi.2013-06-19-15.00.html | 15:31 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/xenapi/2013/xenapi.2013-06-19-15.00.txt | 15:31 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/xenapi/2013/xenapi.2013-06-19-15.00.log.html | 15:31 |
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| seiflotfy_ | when is the next meeting | 16:00 |
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| avishay | now :) | 16:01 |
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| winston-d | hi all | 16:01 |
| kmartin | hey | 16:01 |
| zhiyan | hi o/ | 16:01 |
| mkoderer | hi | 16:01 |
| xyang_ | hi | 16:01 |
| seiflotfy_ | hi | 16:02 |
| jgallard | hi all | 16:02 |
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| avishay | hello! | 16:02 |
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| avishay | jgriffith: hi? | 16:03 |
| jgriffith | #startmeeting cinder | 16:04 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jun 19 16:04:04 2013 UTC. The chair is jgriffith. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:04 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:04 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'cinder' | 16:04 |
| seiflotfy_ | ok cool | 16:04 |
| jgriffith | Happy Wednesday everyone! | 16:04 |
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| jgriffith | Let's rolll.. I wanna save some time for zhiyan | 16:04 |
| seiflotfy_ | ok cool | 16:05 |
| jgriffith | #topic refactoring SwiftBackupService methods | 16:05 |
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| seiflotfy_ | ok this is my item | 16:05 |
| jgriffith | :) | 16:05 |
| seiflotfy_ | basically i looked intro refactoring the backup method | 16:05 |
| zhiyan | thanks ~ | 16:05 |
| seiflotfy_ | there is not api change for this method | 16:05 |
| seiflotfy_ | but instead of doing everything in one big call | 16:06 |
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| jgriffith | seiflotfy_: so that works? | 16:06 |
| seiflotfy_ | backup now looks as followshttp://fpaste.org/19661/65649113/ | 16:06 |
| seiflotfy_ | yes it works | 16:06 |
| seiflotfy_ | it did not break the tests | 16:06 |
| seiflotfy_ | i need to clean up the patch though | 16:06 |
| jgriffith | ollie1: around? | 16:06 |
| seiflotfy_ | and based on that i implemented the next item (rbddriver) which also works without having to map the ceph volumes or export them | 16:07 |
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| ollie1 | yep | 16:07 |
| jgriffith | I'd be curious to get input from the HP folks that initially wrote this code | 16:07 |
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| jgriffith | seiflotfy_: if it's functionally equivalent and works I say submit it | 16:07 |
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| seiflotfy_ | jgriffith: basically i did not change the code at all but just moved pieces of it around | 16:08 |
| dosaboy | seiflotfy_: you do realise I am working on the rbd side of things as part of A PUT without content length needs to be chunked. If the missing | 16:08 |
| seiflotfy_ | into new function | 16:08 |
| DuncanT-meeting | I looked at it briefly... Looks good | 16:08 |
| dosaboy | whoops | 16:08 |
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| ollie1 | griffith: I think smul has been talking to seiflotfy about the backup code | 16:08 |
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| dosaboy | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/cinder/+spec/cinder-backup-to-ceph | 16:08 |
| ollie1 | that what you're referring to? | 16:08 |
| jgriffith | ollie1: DuncanT-meeting seiflotfy_ awesome! | 16:08 |
| jgriffith | seiflotfy_: I say finish it up and submit the patch | 16:08 |
| jgriffith | first glance it looks pretty good to me | 16:08 |
| seiflotfy_ | its 2 patches | 16:08 |
| seiflotfy_ | one of it to refactor | 16:08 |
| seiflotfy_ | and based on it another for the rbddriver | 16:09 |
| jgriffith | seiflotfy_: fair enough | 16:09 |
| jgriffith | seiflotfy_: have you looked at Ceph ObjectStore as a target? | 16:09 |
| seiflotfy_ | dosaboy: i did not understand what you were telling me | 16:09 |
| seiflotfy_ | jgriffith: i am going from ceph 2 ceph | 16:09 |
| dosaboy | so I intend to implemet the backup to Ceph object store stuff as part of https://blueprints.launchpad.net/cinder/+spec/cinder-backup-to-ceph | 16:09 |
| mkoderer | Ceph ObjectStore is working as target | 16:09 |
| dosaboy | which I am working on right now | 16:10 |
| seiflotfy_ | i based my work ontop of the work of mkoderer | 16:10 |
| jgriffith | seiflotfy_: haha... I think I was asking the same thing dosaboy was pointing to | 16:10 |
| mkoderer | but this patch must be applied https://review.openstack.org/#/c/33639/ | 16:10 |
| mkoderer | ;) | 16:10 |
| dosaboy | just want to be sure we don't overlap/conflict ;) | 16:10 |
| seiflotfy_ | so yes for me here it backs up to ceph based on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/33639/ | 16:10 |
| jgriffith | cool! | 16:11 |
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| dosaboy | ah you are talking about Ceph + RGW | 16:11 |
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| seiflotfy_ | dosaboy: yes sir | 16:11 |
| seiflotfy_ | basically i am reading in and saving the stuff just like lvm did so it stays generic | 16:11 |
| dosaboy | I am talking about backup to Ceph object without RGW ;) | 16:11 |
| seiflotfy_ | thus i needed to refactor | 16:11 |
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| seiflotfy_ | dosaboy: that would be great | 16:12 |
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| seiflotfy_ | we did not touch that at all | 16:12 |
| dosaboy | gotcha | 16:12 |
| mkoderer | no, we just used radiosgw | 16:12 |
| mkoderer | so based on swift api | 16:12 |
| seiflotfy_ | yes | 16:12 |
| dosaboy | just quickly, I pinged the Ceph guys re your PUT issue | 16:12 |
| seiflotfy_ | and? | 16:12 |
| dosaboy | I will paste their response in maling list | 16:12 |
| dosaboy | they say that exising backup service is not using api correctly | 16:13 |
| dosaboy | if content-lenght is not specified, | 16:13 |
| dosaboy | you need to set 'chunked' in metadata | 16:13 |
| dosaboy | I will post ina bit | 16:13 |
| seiflotfy_ | dosaboy: great | 16:13 |
| mkoderer | ok intressing | 16:13 |
| seiflotfy_ | dosaboy: do you however mind a refactor to the backup function | 16:14 |
| dosaboy | should be fine | 16:14 |
| seiflotfy_ | dosaboy: great | 16:14 |
| dosaboy | I intentd to use it, as much as possible, as it is | 16:14 |
| dosaboy | so go ahead | 16:14 |
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| seiflotfy_ | ok cool | 16:14 |
| seiflotfy_ | will post a patch then | 16:15 |
| seiflotfy_ | any questions regarding this issue or should we move on | 16:15 |
| seiflotfy_ | ? | 16:15 |
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| mkoderer | move on.. ;) | 16:15 |
| rushiagr | oops, late, Hi all! | 16:15 |
| jgriffith | awesome... thanks guys | 16:15 |
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| avishay | rushiagr: yo | 16:16 |
| zhiyan | next item for 'brick' status update? | 16:16 |
| jgriffith | seiflotfy_: so that seems to take care of items 1 and 2 on the agenda no? | 16:16 |
| seiflotfy_ | yes | 16:16 |
| seiflotfy_ | will post both patches first thing in the morning then | 16:16 |
| seiflotfy_ | :D | 16:16 |
| jgriffith | Ok | 16:17 |
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| jgriffith | #topic brick status update | 16:17 |
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| jgriffith | zhiyan: you're up | 16:17 |
| zhiyan | hemna, you there? | 16:17 |
| jgriffith | I think hemnafk is not here yet | 16:17 |
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| kmartin | hemna is on his way to work | 16:17 |
| kmartin | might want to bring this up at the end | 16:18 |
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| zhiyan | ok, i have reviewed the https://review.openstack.org/#/c/32650/ | 16:18 |
| jgriffith | zhiyan: his changes are coming along nicely and I think they'll land this week | 16:18 |
| zhiyan | and give some comments there | 16:18 |
| kmartin | of the meeting, he should be here by then | 16:18 |
| avishay | looks like his patch is almost ready, but xyang_ found an issue in testing | 16:18 |
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| jgriffith | unfortunately I think all of this is why we ended up with BDM tables :( | 16:19 |
| zhiyan | yes, seems hook host_driver in brick has some issues.. | 16:19 |
| xyang_ | avishay: I didn't test this particular patch. My concern is based on my observations of /dev/disk/by-path | 16:19 |
| avishay | jgriffith: BDM? | 16:19 |
| zhiyan | add table to booking those device will solve that | 16:19 |
| jgriffith | avishay: Block Device Mapping table | 16:19 |
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| jgriffith | zhiyan: :) | 16:20 |
| avishay | ahh ok, yep | 16:20 |
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| jgriffith | I'd really like to avoid if we can... but it may be inevetable | 16:20 |
| zhiyan | don't like that also... | 16:20 |
| jgriffith | zhiyan: FYI nova already has it and will continue to use it... but we'd certainly like to not have to duplicate it in Glance etc | 16:20 |
| jgriffith | or Cinder for that matter | 16:20 |
| zhiyan | adding a file to save them? | 16:20 |
| jgriffith | worst case however we could put it in Cinder | 16:21 |
| jgriffith | and make the info available via API | 16:21 |
| zhiyan | jgriffith: yes, yes | 16:21 |
| jgriffith | zhiyan: not a fan of flat files to store data | 16:21 |
| avishay | jgriffith: that's what i thought to do months ago...cinder should track that for everyone IMO | 16:21 |
| jgriffith | we'll let hemnafk take a look and give us his ideas here | 16:21 |
| zhiyan | that will push brick to bind with a table/database... | 16:21 |
| jgriffith | avishay: perhaps | 16:21 |
| avishay | any other topics that we discuss until hemnafk gets here? | 16:22 |
| jgriffith | avishay: I think I threw up in my mouth when you first suggested it | 16:22 |
| zhiyan | i have one | 16:22 |
| jgriffith | avishay: but I think it may be the right thing to do | 16:22 |
| avishay | jgriffith: haha | 16:22 |
| jgriffith | zhiyan: ? | 16:22 |
| zhiyan | do we have a long term play to add other type volume attaching/detaching support to brick? | 16:22 |
| jgriffith | zhiyan: sorry... not sure I follow? | 16:23 |
| avishay | zhiyan: other type == other protocols? | 16:23 |
| zhiyan | such as sheepdog ( + fuse).. | 16:23 |
| zhiyan | yes | 16:23 |
| xyang_ | an alternative that Avishay and I talked about a while ago, is to have a method and driver has to implement it and returns whether there are still luns on a target. | 16:23 |
| jgriffith | zhiyan: :) | 16:23 |
| zhiyan | jgriffith: we have? | 16:23 |
| jgriffith | xyang_: I might like that better | 16:23 |
| jgriffith | zhiyan: it's come up | 16:23 |
| winston-d | zhiyan: why sheepdog? any special reason? | 16:23 |
| xyang_ | jgriffith: it's just every driver has to implement it. | 16:24 |
| zhiyan | maybe will be addressed in I releease? | 16:24 |
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| avishay | xyang_: oh yes, i forgot about that option! | 16:24 |
| jgriffith | xyang_: yeah, could be troublesome | 16:24 |
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| zhiyan | winston-d: no ,just example, we should give a order... | 16:24 |
| jgriffith | xyang_: I like the idea on the surface... I don't like the idea of implementing it everywhere :) | 16:24 |
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| xyang_ | jgriffith: ya, it has problems. | 16:24 |
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| jgriffith | xyang_: it's easy for us to force it by having an unimplemented method in the base driver, it's different to get everybody to implement it and work | 16:25 |
| avishay | it seems that there's no easy fix | 16:25 |
| zhiyan | avishay: yes :) | 16:25 |
| jgriffith | avishay: that's a good thing :) | 16:25 |
| zhiyan | seems iscsi tool miss some control plane api... | 16:26 |
| xyang_ | jgriffith: no good solution | 16:26 |
| zhiyan | jgriffith: sorry, about more protocol support for brick question, we will address them in I release? | 16:27 |
| zhiyan | or have no draft plan for that yet.. | 16:27 |
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| zhiyan | jgriffith: need some coffee? :) | 16:29 |
| guitarzan | haha | 16:29 |
| jgriffith | zhiyan: haha... sorry | 16:29 |
| jgriffith | zhiyan: have people in my cube looking at a problem :) | 16:29 |
| jgriffith | zhiyan: I think we may be able to address them sooner | 16:29 |
| zhiyan | oh, never mind | 16:29 |
| jgriffith | zhiyan: but I want to get the basic implementation committed first | 16:30 |
| jgriffith | zhiyan: and build off of that | 16:30 |
| zhiyan | yes, yes | 16:30 |
| jgriffith | zhiyan: if we can solve iSCSI and FC first that would be ideal | 16:30 |
| zhiyan | so, the device booking issue is a big blocker | 16:30 |
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| jgriffith | zhiyan: let's talk to hemnafk later this morning... | 16:30 |
| zhiyan | sure, of cause, we are in the same page | 16:31 |
| jgriffith | zhiyan: then we can decide to either add a table of consider the driver approach | 16:31 |
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| jgriffith | other thoughts/concerns? | 16:32 |
| zhiyan | yes, IMO, adding a table is fine for nova and cinder, since nova already have it, cinder add it is make sense, but for glance, there are some challenge | 16:32 |
| jgriffith | zhiyan: what I mean by that is add the table in Cinder | 16:32 |
| jgriffith | zhiyan: and create an API call to update/access it | 16:32 |
| zhiyan | ok, got it | 16:32 |
| avishay | need to think about the table approach...make sure the table stays sync'ed with reality...for example, what if a connection is dropped for some reason without calling the cinder method? | 16:33 |
| zhiyan | not much good, but can work well.. | 16:33 |
| zhiyan | avishay: +1 | 16:33 |
| jgriffith | avishay: yup, that's one of the big problems with that approach | 16:33 |
| zhiyan | we need SYNC them manually | 16:33 |
| zhiyan | ok, next item? | 16:33 |
| jgriffith | zhiyan: if it were that easy we wouldn't need the table to begin with :) | 16:33 |
| xyang_ | jgriffith: are we still keeping that table in nova if we add one in cinder? need to sync them too | 16:34 |
| zhiyan | haha | 16:34 |
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| jgriffith | xyang_: if we add a table in Cinder I would propose no | 16:34 |
| jgriffith | xyang_: but it's still unknown if we'll go that route or not | 16:34 |
| jgriffith | xyang_: and the Nova folks may not be keen on the idea | 16:34 |
| xyang_ | jgriffith: ok | 16:34 |
| jgriffith | xyang_: initially maybe there would be a duplicate to make sure they can trust us :) | 16:35 |
| xyang_ | jgriffith: :) | 16:35 |
| zhiyan | save one data to multiple place, bad idea... | 16:35 |
| jgriffith | xyang_: the other challenge is there are cases where they have items in there that aren't Cinder | 16:35 |
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| jgriffith | xyang_: so going back to what started brick being local devices for Nova | 16:35 |
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| xyang_ | jgriffith: ok | 16:36 |
| jgriffith | #topic H2 status | 16:36 |
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| jgriffith | Just a reminder that H2 is scheduled to land 7/18 | 16:37 |
| zhiyan | yep | 16:37 |
| zhiyan | i need speed up :) | 16:37 |
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| jgriffith | Freeze will be a few days before that | 16:37 |
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| jgriffith | and we'll probably have a Cinder freeze imposed before that as well | 16:37 |
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| avishay | i have a dependency on the brick attach/detach - would be awful to merge it with this table issue outstanding? | 16:38 |
| jgriffith | after G2 I said I wouldn't stay up all night doing reviews and baby-sitting Jenkins any more :) | 16:38 |
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| jgriffith | avishay: I'd prefer you wait if you don't mind | 16:38 |
| avishay | jgriffith: ok | 16:38 |
| jgriffith | avishay: I think we'll sort something out in the next couple of days | 16:38 |
| avishay | sure | 16:38 |
| jgriffith | So back to H2 :) | 16:39 |
| jgriffith | well.. that kinda is H2 | 16:39 |
| jgriffith | but... | 16:39 |
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| jgriffith | If you have items assigned please please please keep me updated on your progress | 16:39 |
| jgriffith | if you think you're not going to finish them let me know earlier rather than later | 16:39 |
| kmartin | jgriffith: Could winston-d provide an update on the QoS support patch, if time allows? | 16:40 |
| jgriffith | There's nothing wrong with removing the target and adding in later if you end up making it | 16:40 |
| jgriffith | kmartin: Yep, I was saving the last 15 minutes :) | 16:40 |
| zhiyan | kmartin: sorry :) | 16:40 |
| kmartin | ok, go on for another 5 minutes then? :) | 16:40 |
| jgriffith | but if nobody has anything else on this topic... :) | 16:40 |
| jgriffith | anybody have questions, new things to add for H2? | 16:41 |
| avishay | so i put up a WIP of volume migration | 16:41 |
| avishay | still a stub there waiting for attach/detach, but if anyone wants to take a look i'd appreciate it | 16:41 |
| jgriffith | avishay: will do | 16:41 |
| * jgriffith said that last week too | 16:41 | |
| avishay | :) | 16:41 |
| jgriffith | alright... | 16:41 |
| avishay | it wasn't ready last week, it is now | 16:42 |
| jgriffith | #topic QoS | 16:42 |
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| winston-d | kmartin: sure | 16:42 |
| jgriffith | winston-d: how goes the battle | 16:42 |
| winston-d | so we talked about how we should store QoS/Rate-limit info in Cinder DB after meeting last week. | 16:43 |
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| winston-d | and I'm not sure DuncanT-meeting and jgriffith who wins the argument... | 16:43 |
| * jgriffith should win just because :) | 16:44 | |
| winston-d | :) | 16:44 |
| jgriffith | winston-d: actually I though DuncanT-meeting and I ended up agreeing for the most part | 16:44 |
| kmartin | yeah, jgriffith wins since DuncanT-meeting isn't here | 16:44 |
| jgriffith | winston-d: I conceded that modifying QoS in an existing type could be skipped | 16:45 |
| jgriffith | kmartin: haah! I like that | 16:45 |
| jgriffith | Until I'm not here | 16:45 |
| jgriffith | winston-d: I think that was the big sticking point... retype versus modify type | 16:45 |
| jgriffith | winston-d: retype is the one that's important to me :) | 16:45 |
| winston-d | k. so i'll submit another patch for rate-limit first. | 16:46 |
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| winston-d | jgriffith: that's right. | 16:46 |
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| jgriffith | kmartin: so were you synched up on that discussion? | 16:46 |
| jgriffith | rate-limiting versus QoS | 16:46 |
| kmartin | winston-d: I believe so | 16:46 |
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| avishay | hemna: woohoo! we're all waiting for you! :P | 16:46 |
| jgriffith | kmartin: winston-d cool cool | 16:46 |
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| hemna | :P | 16:46 |
| hemna | doh | 16:46 |
| hemna | sorry guys...traffic was bad today | 16:47 |
| jgriffith | hemna: that's what you get for living in Cali | 16:47 |
| zhiyan | oh, hi hemna~ | 16:47 |
| hemna | :P | 16:47 |
| jgriffith | Isn't traffic always bad? | 16:47 |
| hemna | yah usually...today was logging trucks | 16:47 |
| hemna | bleh | 16:47 |
| jgriffith | winston-d: ok... so did we have any outstadnign questions? | 16:47 |
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| winston-d | i will be in cinder channel after meeting if there's anything to follow up | 16:48 |
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| jgriffith | cool... | 16:48 |
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| winston-d | i think hemna should have some time for brick | 16:48 |
| jgriffith | then I guess we'll actually wrap it up early today :) | 16:48 |
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| * jgriffith will save controversial stuff for next time :) | 16:48 | |
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| jgriffith | #topic open discussion | 16:49 |
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| jgriffith | last chance if anybody has anything? | 16:49 |
| hemna | brick ? | 16:49 |
| zhiyan | jgriffith: ready for 'volume-host-attaching' bp design discussing? | 16:49 |
| jgriffith | zhiyan: oh... yah | 16:49 |
| jgriffith | zhiyan: #openstack-cinder | 16:50 |
| jgriffith | alrighty folks.. thanks! | 16:50 |
| zhiyan | i have post the design/question on https://etherpad.openstack.org/volume-host-attaching , can you check it? | 16:50 |
| winston-d | oh, btw, there's some interests in more filter/weigher in operator mailing list. i'll try address that after QoS/ratelimit settles | 16:50 |
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| jgriffith | guitarzan: hemna kmartin we should all take a look | 16:50 |
| jgriffith | winston-d: ooooo... I'm not on that list anymore I don't think :( | 16:51 |
| jgriffith | winston-d: if you have time I'd like your input on zhiyan etherpad as well | 16:51 |
| jgriffith | alright everyone | 16:51 |
| jgriffith | thanks! | 16:51 |
| hemna | ok | 16:51 |
| jgriffith | #end meeting cinder | 16:51 |
| winston-d | jgriffith: because capacity weigher sucks when every back-end reports infinite... | 16:51 |
| jgriffith | #endmeeting cinder | 16:51 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jun 19 16:51:42 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:51 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2013/cinder.2013-06-19-16.04.html | 16:51 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2013/cinder.2013-06-19-16.04.txt | 16:51 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2013/cinder.2013-06-19-16.04.log.html | 16:51 |
| avishay | bye all!! | 16:51 |
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| jungleboyj | bye. | 16:52 |
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| hartsocks | hi all! | 17:01 |
| tjones | hi shawn | 17:01 |
| danwent | hello :) | 17:01 |
| hartsocks | #startmeeting VMwareAPI | 17:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jun 19 17:01:25 2013 UTC. The chair is hartsocks. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'vmwareapi' | 17:01 |
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| hartsocks | Who all is around to talk VMwareAPI stuff and OpenStack? | 17:01 |
| ivoks | hi | 17:01 |
| kirankv | hi | 17:01 |
| hartsocks | Anyone else? | 17:02 |
| Eustace | hi | 17:02 |
| yaguang | hi | 17:03 |
| hartsocks | Let's get started then. | 17:03 |
| hartsocks | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/VMwareAPI#Agenda | 17:03 |
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| hartsocks | Let's start this week with bug follow ups. | 17:04 |
| hartsocks | #topic bugs | 17:04 |
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| hartsocks | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1180044 | 17:04 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1180044 in nova "nova boot fails when vCenter has multiple managed hosts and no clear default host" [High,In progress] | 17:04 |
| hartsocks | I'll start with mine. This was downgraded from Critical to High | 17:04 |
| cbananth | Hi | 17:05 |
| hartsocks | I've posted a patch, but it is "work in progress" I can't seem to click that button for some reason. | 17:05 |
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| hartsocks | Our other open Critical bug is: | 17:05 |
| hartsocks | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1183192 | 17:06 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1183192 in nova "VMware VC Driver does not honor hw_vif_model from glance" [Critical,Fix committed] | 17:06 |
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| hartsocks | @yaguang that's you I think | 17:06 |
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| yaguang | this has been fixed | 17:06 |
| hartsocks | Okay! Good job! | 17:06 |
| yaguang | may be need a backport | 17:06 |
| yaguang | should we backport it to grizzly? | 17:07 |
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| hartsocks | I don't see why not myself. Any other opinions? | 17:07 |
| kirankv | yes, since its marked critical | 17:08 |
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| Sabari_ | Hi, Sabari here | 17:08 |
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| hartsocks | I've tagged the bug for back port consideration. | 17:09 |
| hartsocks | I see two other bugs that are open + critical | 17:09 |
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| hartsocks | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1184807 | 17:09 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1184807 in nova "Snapshot failure with VMware driver" [Critical,Confirmed] | 17:10 |
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| tjones | that one could be related to another one i've been working on - CopyVirtualDisk_Task server responds with not implemented | 17:10 |
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| tjones | if no one else has taken it I can take a look | 17:11 |
| hartsocks | @tjones thanks. | 17:11 |
| hartsocks | Next up... | 17:11 |
| hartsocks | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1192192 | 17:11 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1192192 in nova "Live Migration regression for vmware VCDriver" [Critical,New] | 17:11 |
| hartsocks | I've not marked this as "confirmed" yet. | 17:11 |
| hartsocks | Can anyone else look at this? | 17:12 |
| kirankv | Im not sure if we want to support this since the cluster is a compute node | 17:12 |
| kirankv | and we should not expose the hosts within it to O~S | 17:12 |
| Sabari_ | Thats true. But would it make sense in any other scenario ? | 17:13 |
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| Sabari_ | Like with standalone hosts within VC ? | 17:13 |
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| hartsocks | The feature actually supports live migration between compute nodes… which may be clusters or stand alone hosts. | 17:14 |
| hartsocks | If we want to disable it in VC + Cluster mode… we should say something to that effect I suppose. | 17:15 |
| hartsocks | For example: override the live_migration API call in the driver to raise an exception when using clusters. | 17:16 |
| kirankv | is it possible to do a migration between a standalone hosts (ESXDriver) to an cluster that uses VCDriver? | 17:16 |
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| hartsocks | No. It is not. | 17:17 |
| hartsocks | At least I don't think it is. | 17:17 |
| hartsocks | … hmm ... | 17:17 |
| * hartsocks imagining a scenario how that could work... | 17:18 | |
| kirankv | @Sabari, what configuration of standalone hosts are you indicating that live migrate is possible | 17:18 |
| hartsocks | Live migration should work in Clusters without DRS and local storage. | 17:18 |
| kirankv | i.e with storage vMotion enabled? | 17:19 |
| * hartsocks googles some references | 17:19 | |
| kirankv | why setup a cluster and not have DRS enabled! | 17:20 |
| Sabari_ | I am talking about ESXi hosts managed by a VC. Shoudlnt it be possible to use vMotion ? At least in vSphere 5.1 | 17:21 |
| Sabari_ | Even I need to confirm the scenarios | 17:21 |
| hartsocks | I've not found a tidy reference for this. | 17:21 |
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| hartsocks | vMotion allows "live migration" and that this can be made to work between hosts… so we *can* support this. | 17:22 |
| kirankv | lets work on a fix only if we find some compelling scenarios | 17:22 |
| hartsocks | I think vMotion has some compelling scenarios. | 17:23 |
| kirankv | ok | 17:23 |
| hartsocks | People seem to like it anyhow. | 17:23 |
| Sabari_ | May be we can update the bug with a scenario that is compelling enough. | 17:23 |
| Sabari_ | We can take it as an Action item | 17:24 |
| hartsocks | I've not done any more on this than report it on behalf of another user. | 17:24 |
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| Sabari_ | Same here. | 17:24 |
| hartsocks | If anyone wants to take this over I'm not actively working on it. | 17:24 |
| hartsocks | #action follow up on "live migration" bug use cases | 17:25 |
| Sabari_ | I can take it to the point of saying if we need to support this | 17:25 |
| hartsocks | @Sabari_ please do. | 17:25 |
| Sabari_ | Sure | 17:25 |
| hartsocks | Okay. Now comes the point in the meeting when I ask... | 17:25 |
| hartsocks | #topic blocker bugs | 17:26 |
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| hartsocks | Does anyone have any blocker issues? | 17:26 |
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| Sabari_ | I guess most of the critical bugs are already being addressed. | 17:27 |
| hartsocks | Okay... | 17:27 |
| hartsocks | Before I move to blueprints... | 17:27 |
| hartsocks | #topic code reviews | 17:27 |
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| hartsocks | Reviews Ready for +2's: | 17:27 |
| hartsocks | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/30036/ <- VNC rebased (same old patch) | 17:27 |
| hartsocks | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/29396/ | 17:27 |
| hartsocks | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/30822/ | 17:27 |
| hartsocks | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/33482/ | 17:27 |
| hartsocks | I had a patch that needed to be rebased, now it gets to go through the whole approval process again. | 17:28 |
| hartsocks | These are all ready for +2's and I'll be posting about them on Friday to the main list. | 17:28 |
| hartsocks | Needs VMwareAPI expert's attention: | 17:28 |
| hartsocks | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/27885/ | 17:28 |
| hartsocks | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/29453/ | 17:28 |
| hartsocks | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/30282/ | 17:28 |
| hartsocks | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/30289/ | 17:28 |
| hartsocks | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/32695/ | 17:28 |
| hartsocks | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/33100/ | 17:28 |
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| hartsocks | These need attention by people who know VMwareAPI well. Please pick one if you know your API calls well and do a review. | 17:29 |
| hartsocks | #topic blueprints | 17:29 |
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| hartsocks | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack?searchtext=vmware | 17:30 |
| hartsocks | I'd like to have folks look at... | 17:30 |
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| hartsocks | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/improve-vmware-disk-usage | 17:30 |
| hartsocks | @yaguang I think that's you again. | 17:30 |
| yaguang | yes | 17:30 |
| yaguang | more details discuss on it | 17:31 |
| hartsocks | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/33238/ <- review on the topic | 17:31 |
| yaguang | this is a initial patch | 17:31 |
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| yaguang | just resize the root disk of vm to the flavor specified size , | 17:32 |
| hartsocks | In particular... | 17:32 |
| hartsocks | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/33238/3/nova/virt/vmwareapi/disk_util.py | 17:32 |
| hartsocks | So… this BP is about getting a VMDK to grow or shrink based on the flavor? | 17:33 |
| yaguang | yes | 17:33 |
| yaguang | exactly | 17:33 |
| hartsocks | I see. So this first pass is about growing the disk. | 17:33 |
| hartsocks | Is there more to do (besides figuring out how to test this) | 17:34 |
| yaguang | and the second will add a ephemeral disk | 17:34 |
| hartsocks | When I look up "ephemeral disk" it sounds like this is a disk that lives only as long as the VM that owns it. | 17:34 |
| hartsocks | Is that right? | 17:34 |
| yaguang | yes | 17:35 |
| yaguang | it's a vdb usually inside vm | 17:35 |
| yaguang | if you won't use remote volume | 17:35 |
| yaguang | so to implement this, we just create a disk and attach it to the vm before the vm starts | 17:36 |
| ssurana | but how would the end user request this in O~S | 17:36 |
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| hartsocks | If our driver works correctly (sometimes it doesn't) the VMDK should be destroyed when the VM is destroyed. The disk is created and attached before the VM boots too... Isn't that the same as an "ephemeral disk"? | 17:37 |
| yaguang | here I want to confirm is it supported by VMware api to reconfig vm configration to add a second disk | 17:37 |
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| ssurana | yes vmware API can be used to add disks to a VM | 17:37 |
| yaguang | the use just create a instance with the flavor he wants | 17:37 |
| yaguang | the flavor can be add/remove/change by cloud admin | 17:38 |
| hartsocks | So the difference here would be... | 17:38 |
| hartsocks | The user adds a new disk to the VM. | 17:39 |
| yaguang | yes, that's what ephemeral disk is | 17:39 |
| kirankv | can the root disk size be changed even when the new instances are linked clones? | 17:39 |
| hartsocks | The new disk is only alive as long as the VM? | 17:39 |
| hartsocks | @kirankv good question. I don't think so. | 17:39 |
| hartsocks | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/vmware-image-clone-strategy | 17:40 |
| hartsocks | I posted this so we could have some discussion about changing the "clone strategy" in the driver. | 17:40 |
| hartsocks | I wanted the user to be able to pick which was best for them. | 17:41 |
| hartsocks | I think this feature may compliment the resize feature. | 17:42 |
| kirankv | #2 in the blueprint offers more dynamic flexibility | 17:42 |
| hartsocks | @kirankv yes, that is the "blue sky" part that I don't know if we can actually provide easily. It would be nice to have parts of the driver switch strategies in general. This would be a good first-test of that idea. | 17:44 |
| hartsocks | Note: "Full clones do not require an ongoing connection to the parent virtual machine. Overall performance of a full clone is the same as a never-cloned virtual machine, while a linked clone trades potential performance degradation for a guaranteed conservation of disk space. If you are focused on performance, you should prefer a full clone over a linked clone." | 17:44 |
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| hartsocks | So back to "ephemeral disk" … these are related ideas it seems. We can't actually provide @yaguang's feature without also addressing this problem of how cloning is done. | 17:45 |
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| hartsocks | Should we fold these into the same large blueprint? Are they too close to each other? | 17:46 |
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| hartsocks | Should we express some kind of dependency between them? | 17:47 |
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| kirankv | continuing on ephermal disk these will be independent disks for each instance and therefore we can still add the right disk size based on flavor | 17:47 |
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| yaguang | it's very close , all are about how we handle disk usage for instance | 17:47 |
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| hartsocks | @yaguang do you need the "clone strategy" feature first or will you be able to work without it? | 17:48 |
| yaguang | I am concern how to use root disk shared by instances of the same flavor | 17:49 |
| hartsocks | @yaguang yes that's the problem I'm also concerned about… I'm not sure how to solve that without switching to "full clone" strategy universally. | 17:50 |
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| yaguang | there is a option to allow user to choose whether to use linked clone or not | 17:51 |
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| hartsocks | If we make that a new feature... | 17:52 |
| hartsocks | where you can check something | 17:52 |
| hartsocks | like... | 17:52 |
| hartsocks | "is_full_clone(disk)" | 17:52 |
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| hartsocks | … then you could either allow for a resize or print a warning. | 17:53 |
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| hartsocks | I will record some of this conversation in the BluePrint for the other "clone strategy" feature. | 17:54 |
| yaguang | yes | 17:54 |
| hartsocks | Okay. Last 5 minutes. | 17:55 |
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| hartsocks | #topic open discussion | 17:55 |
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| hartsocks | Anything else people need to talk about? | 17:55 |
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| ivoks | thanks to yaguang for staying up so late :) | 17:55 |
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| hartsocks | Yes! Thank you @yaguang! That has helped so much! | 17:56 |
| kirankv | @ Shawn, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/30628/7/nova/virt/vmwareapi/vm_util.py | 17:56 |
| yaguang | glad to work with you | 17:57 |
| kirankv | did you get any additional inputs from your team | 17:57 |
| hartsocks | #action hartsocks follow up on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/30628/7/nova/virt/vmwareapi/vm_util.py traversal specs | 17:58 |
| kirankv | one last thing, FC support in the VCdriver | 17:58 |
| hartsocks | @kirankv I have not. I did, however, finally get a working traversal spec to run under OpenStack! So now we know how to do them. | 17:58 |
| hartsocks | FC? I'm drawing a blank. What is FC? | 17:59 |
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| ivoks | fiber channel? | 17:59 |
| hartsocks | Feature Complete? | 17:59 |
| kirankv | Fibre Channel LUNs | 17:59 |
| ssurana | I will look into the review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/30628/7/nova/virt/vmwareapi/vm_util.py | 17:59 |
| hartsocks | Ah. | 17:59 |
| tjones | LOL | 17:59 |
| kirankv | we have iSCSI suppor | 17:59 |
| hartsocks | @ssurana thank you o' honorable traversal spec guru! | 18:00 |
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| kirankv | for instances in a cluster, when a LUN is attached, should it get presented to all hosts in the cluster or only the one on which the instance is hosted upon. | 18:00 |
| hartsocks | @kirankv do you have a link to code? | 18:00 |
| kirankv | If its only to one host then the VM cants be live migrated in a DRS cluster | 18:00 |
| kirankv | no, i dont have the patch in yet | 18:01 |
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| hartsocks | @kirankv It sounds like a good BP. I think I heard someone else talk about iSCSI support too though. | 18:02 |
| kirankv | ok, we can discuss it in the next meeting | 18:02 |
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| hartsocks | I will put that on the top of our next meeting agenda | 18:02 |
| hartsocks | #action next meeting Fiber Chanel , iSCSI support for VCDriver | 18:02 |
| hartsocks | That's all the time we have. | 18:02 |
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| kirankv | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/fc-support-for-vcenter-driver | 18:02 |
| hartsocks | #openstack-vmware is open all the time | 18:03 |
| kirankv | Thanks! | 18:03 |
| hartsocks | head over there for further discussion | 18:03 |
| hartsocks | #endmeeting | 18:03 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jun 19 18:03:23 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:03 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vmwareapi/2013/vmwareapi.2013-06-19-17.01.html | 18:03 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vmwareapi/2013/vmwareapi.2013-06-19-17.01.txt | 18:03 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vmwareapi/2013/vmwareapi.2013-06-19-17.01.log.html | 18:03 |
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| shardy | #startmeeting heat | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jun 19 20:00:14 2013 UTC. The chair is shardy. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: heat)" | 20:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'heat' | 20:00 |
| shardy | #topic rollcall | 20:00 |
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| shardy | hey, who's around? | 20:00 |
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| adrian_otto | hi | 20:00 |
| therve | Hey there | 20:00 |
| stevebaker | me | 20:00 |
| zaneb | o/ | 20:00 |
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| jpeeler | hi | 20:00 |
| asalkeld | o/ | 20:00 |
| SpamapS | o/ | 20:01 |
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| andrew_plunk | hello | 20:01 |
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| radix | hello | 20:01 |
| tspatzier | Hi | 20:01 |
| maksimov_ | o/ | 20:01 |
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| shardy | ok, hi all, lets get started! | 20:02 |
| shardy | #topic Review last week's action | 20:02 |
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| shardy | So there was only one, and not sure if sdake is around? | 20:02 |
| shardy | #info sdake to raise BP re gold images | 20:02 |
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| m4dcoder | o/ | 20:03 |
| shardy | I'm not sure if that happened, will check later | 20:03 |
| shardy | #topic h2 blueprint status | 20:03 |
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| shardy | #link https://launchpad.net/heat/+milestone/havana-2 | 20:04 |
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| shardy | So ttx observed that we appear to be behind atm | 20:04 |
| kebray | o/ | 20:04 |
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| shardy | are there BPs which are marked not started, which are actually in progress? | 20:04 |
| randallburt | hey, sorry I'm late | 20:05 |
| shardy | hi randallburt, no worries | 20:05 |
| shardy | just discussing the h2 BP status | 20:05 |
| stevebaker | SpamapS: should I assign this to you? https://blueprints.launchpad.net/heat/+spec/native-in-instance-tools | 20:05 |
| SpamapS | stevebaker: yeah its what I'm working on anyway :) | 20:05 |
| shardy | if people are working on stuff and the BP is still "Not Started", please change it or it's liable to get bumped to h3 | 20:05 |
| randallburt | wrt my stuff, I'm making review comment changes and waiting on acceptance before submitting another change | 20:06 |
| shardy | likewise, if you know its | 20:06 |
| shardy | not going to land, please bump to h3 | 20:06 |
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| shardy | anyone got anything to add, status or anything? | 20:06 |
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| shardy | SpamapS: is that likely to land for h2? | 20:07 |
| randallburt | need to have attribute schema from me and provider resource from angus before moving forward | 20:07 |
| bgorski_ | o/ | 20:07 |
| SpamapS | shardy: yes | 20:07 |
| adrian_otto | randallburt: does that mean that you could make faster progress if something changed with respect to acceptance? | 20:07 |
| shardy | SpamapS: cool | 20:07 |
| shardy | randallburt: Yeah, I reviewed the attribute schema today and mostly looks good, so lets get that in soon | 20:08 |
| randallburt | currently blocked until those are accepted | 20:08 |
| SpamapS | shardy: It will likely only serve tripleo's purposes, but the framework should allow everyone to migrate eventually. :) | 20:08 |
| randallburt | shardy: will do | 20:08 |
| shardy | anyone got any other concerns or comments on h2? | 20:08 |
| shardy | I know the review cycle has been somewhat long recently | 20:08 |
| shardy | so apologies from me, and please everyone (including non-heat-core) do lots of reviews ;) | 20:09 |
| * SpamapS will be diving into the review queue quite a bit today | 20:09 | |
| zaneb | good news, we have an agenda item for that :) | 20:09 |
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| randallburt | :D | 20:09 |
| shardy | zaneb: yup, we're about to get to that :D | 20:09 |
| shardy | #topic Gerrit approval policy | 20:10 |
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| shardy | all yours zaneb ;) | 20:10 |
| zaneb | so, it's not clear to me that we are getting a lot of value from requiring 2 +2's before approving a patch | 20:10 |
| zaneb | as I understand it other OpenStack projects require 2 core developers with different affiliations to +2 before approving | 20:10 |
| zaneb | so we're not really following that rule anyway | 20:10 |
| shardy | does anyone know if it's mandatory now we're integrated? | 20:10 |
| zaneb | I don't think that would be even feasible at this stage of the project | 20:11 |
| radix | what about just having one +2 from the opposite affiliation of the author? | 20:11 |
| randallburt | poor therve ;) | 20:11 |
| radix | hehe | 20:11 |
| zaneb | radix: everyone is still blocked on therve and SpamapS | 20:11 |
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| radix | hehe, yeah | 20:11 |
| therve | Yeah we can't really afford it right now | 20:12 |
| zaneb | so, my point here is *not* to make the process *more* difficult! | 20:12 |
| asalkeld | I honestly don't think the affilation is the issue | 20:12 |
| stevebaker | me neither | 20:12 |
| therve | I'm +1 on keeping things as they are | 20:12 |
| zaneb | asalkeld: totally agree | 20:12 |
| zaneb | here is my suggestion: | 20:12 |
| zaneb | currently the +1 is effectively meaningless | 20:12 |
| asalkeld | it's we might just want to be a bit more flexibe | 20:12 |
| zaneb | I think we should treat +1 as if it means what it says: "looks good to me, but someone else must approve" | 20:12 |
| zaneb | core reviewers decide whether to use +1 or +2, and when doing +2 approve at the same time | 20:12 |
| zaneb | so e.g. if the code looks good but you're not an expert in that area, +1 | 20:12 |
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| therve | So effectively 1 core + 1 other (maybe core) | 20:13 |
| zaneb | if there were a bunch of comments on the previous patch and they've all been addressed and look good, maybe just +2 & approve | 20:13 |
| zaneb | use appropriate judgement according to the situation | 20:13 |
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| zaneb | I'm not really concerned about the review time per se, but the number of rebases required for each patch is seriously slowing things down | 20:13 |
| asalkeld | sounds good to me | 20:13 |
| zaneb | so I think it is probably having a non-linear effect | 20:13 |
| therve | It sounds reasonable | 20:13 |
| SpamapS | zaneb: +1 is quite meaningful for us tracking non-core reviewers to make sure they understand what we expect from reviewers. | 20:14 |
| shardy | SpamapS: +1! | 20:14 |
| zaneb | SpamapS: agree that +1 is meaningful from non-core reviewers | 20:14 |
| * radix hopes so | 20:14 | |
| zaneb | was that your point? | 20:14 |
| SpamapS | And just leaving +2 with no approval means I don't have to think "is Angus core?" | 20:14 |
| stevebaker | possibly other projects have many more reviews in-flight, but maybe the rebase effort is less because the code bases are more mature | 20:14 |
| shardy | Definitely, if non-core reviewers can give good feedback consistently it's hugely valuable, and makes life much easier | 20:14 |
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| therve | I think the current situation is more that the features are a bit tricky to grasp and nobody commits to approve | 20:15 |
| asalkeld | yea, approve fear | 20:15 |
| zaneb | therve: there is a bit of that | 20:15 |
| shardy | therve: also differnent people spot different things | 20:16 |
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| shardy | I don't think we should routinely approve patches with just one reviewer | 20:16 |
| shardy | unless really trivial | 20:16 |
| zaneb | tbh I think if it were quicker to get a fix in when you spot something after the fact, people might not be so slow to approve | 20:16 |
| therve | One thing is that if someone did -1 a branch, they should look back again | 20:16 |
| therve | It doesn't seem to be always the case | 20:16 |
| shardy | but if you have several +1's and several revisions, maybe it makes sense | 20:16 |
| therve | shardy, Well approve means reviewing, right? | 20:17 |
| zaneb | shardy: but if it has been through 15 patchsets and everyone is agreed | 20:17 |
| zaneb | just merge it | 20:17 |
| SpamapS | So it sounds to me like we're just bottlenecked on reviewers... have we polled the Heat dev community to see if there are those with active aspirations that we may not have mentored appropriately? | 20:17 |
| zaneb | don't wait around for a second core reviewer | 20:17 |
| shardy | therve: Yeah, I'm saying we shouldn't routinely ack via one reviewer doing review/approve without other eyes on the patch | 20:17 |
| randallburt | shardy: I think that and what zaneb said earlier has a lot of goodness. if there are lots of +1's and some comments that are addressed in the latest of several patches, seems ok to approve with fewer constraints | 20:17 |
| radix | SpamapS: I plan on reviewing more, I haven't done many in the past couple days but it's something I fully intend to do | 20:18 |
| radix | I'm trying to get a better understanding for the codebase (and some recent design discussions have helped a lot) | 20:18 |
| randallburt | zaneb: +111 because I can't type and read | 20:18 |
| zaneb | SpamapS: I don't think we're lacking reviewers. we're lacking reviewers with deep knowledge of the code base | 20:18 |
| shardy | radix: reviews are also a great way to learn the code :) | 20:18 |
| radix | yep, definitely | 20:18 |
| SpamapS | zaneb: true, and I agree, a big part of that is that the code base is young. | 20:19 |
| zaneb | yeah, that problem should fix itself over time | 20:19 |
| SpamapS | No reason to panic, just means we have to try harder on reviews. :) | 20:19 |
| asalkeld | sounds like we all agree? | 20:20 |
| therve | Yeah it's worth trying to smooth things out a bit | 20:20 |
| therve | We can reevaluate if things go south anyway | 20:20 |
| * randallburt starts planning patch bomb | 20:20 | |
| shardy | do we need to have a vote, or are we all agreed anyway? | 20:20 |
| zaneb | does anyone from core disagree? | 20:20 |
| stevebaker | So in summary, core reviewers can use their discretion on whether to approve? | 20:20 |
| zaneb | yes | 20:21 |
| jpeeler | right, sounds good | 20:21 |
| shardy | stevebaker: yes | 20:21 |
| SpamapS | shardy: perhaps a motion on the mailing list | 20:21 |
| SpamapS | tho | 20:21 |
| stevebaker | and if the change breaks anything, they can be soundly beaten | 20:21 |
| SpamapS | I think we have a super majority already | 20:21 |
| zaneb | SpamapS: good idea | 20:22 |
| shardy | SpamapS: Yep, I'll send one tomorrow - I'm still not clear if there's openstack-wide policy we should observe or not | 20:22 |
| asalkeld | SpamapS, that's more likely to just generate noise | 20:22 |
| zaneb | other projects might have some input for us also | 20:22 |
| shardy | stevebaker: lol | 20:22 |
| SpamapS | Yeah I'm reversing myself. | 20:22 |
| SpamapS | ML is not necessary, I really think we can all just agree now. | 20:22 |
| zaneb | stevebaker: if the change breaks anything it can be reverted just as quickly :) | 20:22 |
| shardy | obviously, let's all be sensible, but I for one am pretty tired of rebasing huge patch queues for weeks on end | 20:22 |
| shardy | hopefully this may help a bit :) | 20:23 |
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| shardy | SpamapS: Ok, I may just find out re approval policy off list then | 20:23 |
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| SpamapS | shardy: yeah I'm sure we are granted at least some autonomy there, but I eagerly await your confirmation of that. :) | 20:24 |
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| shardy | Ok, anything else on this, or shall we move on to open discussion? | 20:24 |
| zaneb | shardy: I don't see how they can stop us ;) | 20:24 |
| zaneb | move on | 20:25 |
| shardy | zaneb: I just don't want to get told off ;) | 20:25 |
| shardy | #topic open discussion | 20:25 |
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| zaneb | pfft | 20:25 |
| shardy | anyone have anything? | 20:25 |
| radix | thanks for all the responses to that thread :) | 20:25 |
| zaneb | just fyi all, I'll be away next week and the week after | 20:25 |
| therve | stevebaker, Did you start something for fixing autoscale instance list? | 20:26 |
| stevebaker | therve: not yet. I was going to write an autoscaling tempest test first | 20:26 |
| stevebaker | therve: did you want to have a go? | 20:27 |
| asalkeld | therve, I did a while back, but can't find the patch:( | 20:27 |
| therve | stevebaker, OK cool | 20:27 |
| therve | I was mostly wondering if you had a path | 20:27 |
| therve | You mentioned metadata, but zaneb didn't seem to like it | 20:27 |
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| asalkeld | don't worry therve I'll push approve really fast;) | 20:28 |
| stevebaker | this raises a good question, *where* can we store heat specific state for running resources? | 20:28 |
| andrew_plunk | therve: are you guys talking about storing the lists of instances within a scalinggroup? | 20:28 |
| therve | Ah :) | 20:28 |
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| zaneb | stevebaker: I think we need a new catch-all database column ;) | 20:28 |
| zaneb | metadata is being seriously abused atm | 20:28 |
| therve | andrew_plunk, Yeah, bug 1189278 | 20:28 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1189278 in heat "Autoscaling max limit is capped by length of resource.nova_instance column" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1189278 | 20:28 |
| shardy | andrew_plunk: yes, or more precisely how to stop doing it ;) | 20:28 |
| asalkeld | runtime_data | 20:28 |
| shardy | Yeah, we should stop abusing the metadata column really | 20:29 |
| radix | could we create tables as needed for resources? | 20:29 |
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| stevebaker | maybe a key/value tags table | 20:29 |
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| asalkeld | radix, isn't that going to get messy | 20:29 |
| shardy | for autoscaling groups, can't we just store the instance count, since the prefix is known and consistent? | 20:30 |
| * asalkeld scared of schema madness | 20:30 | |
| asalkeld | shardy, there might be holes? | 20:30 |
| shardy | oh no, we've got the random suffix now | 20:30 |
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| radix | asalkeld: well... I donno. It depends how many resources we have | 20:30 |
| shardy | asalkeld: would there? | 20:30 |
| zaneb | shardy: the random suffix is irrelevant | 20:30 |
| radix | asalkeld: I've worked with systems like that, it's not so bad if you have good processes around schema management | 20:30 |
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| asalkeld | instance failed? | 20:31 |
| zaneb | currently we don't support holes | 20:31 |
| zaneb | but we'll need to be able to eventually | 20:31 |
| radix | the question is, do you need more structure than k/v, or is it okay by itself? | 20:31 |
| stevebaker | the value can be json | 20:31 |
| shardy | zaneb: Ok, may as well improve the status-quo then | 20:31 |
| sdake | o/ | 20:31 |
| asalkeld | I am in favour of stack'like class that can have proper resource entries | 20:31 |
| zaneb | stevebaker: +1 | 20:31 |
| andrew_plunk | asalkeld: +1 | 20:32 |
| zaneb | asalkeld: that also sounds like it would work | 20:32 |
| jasond | anything to avoid db migration script version hell would be good | 20:32 |
| randallburt | asalkeld: +1 | 20:32 |
| therve | stevebaker, It may be problematic if we want to have concurrency, no? | 20:32 |
| therve | (Not that it's possible currently) | 20:32 |
| therve | asalkeld, So I guess it links to the other subject we could talk: autoscale API | 20:33 |
| stevebaker | therve: that would probably depend on how it is used | 20:33 |
| * SpamapS returns | 20:33 | |
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| therve | Should we spend (much) time improving the current resources, or should we design something more robust? | 20:34 |
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| stevebaker | therve: could you be more specific? | 20:35 |
| asalkeld | that is the same thing isn't it? | 20:35 |
| zaneb | lol | 20:35 |
| andrew_plunk | I think if we have an interface for each resource "type" it would be fine | 20:35 |
| shardy | therve: we need a native scaling group resource anyway, but it would be good if both AWS-compatible and native resources inherited from the same non-broken base class | 20:35 |
| therve | I think some people mentioned that resources are a tight fit for autoscale | 20:36 |
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| shardy | therve: define tight fit? | 20:36 |
| therve | shardy, Limit how clean we could make it? | 20:36 |
| radix | hmm | 20:37 |
| radix | therve: I think everyone agrees that there should be resources | 20:37 |
| shardy | therve: well heat is stack and resource orientated | 20:37 |
| radix | but whether the autoscaling logic is actually inside the resource class (living in heat) or if the resource delegates to an autoscaling service separate from heat | 20:37 |
| radix | in both cases, there are resources | 20:37 |
| therve | Okay | 20:37 |
| asalkeld | so we do want autoscale to be an actual rest api | 20:37 |
| andrew_plunk | shardy: but because of the way we rely on the properties schema, people implementing multiple resources that have the same function are out of luck in many cases | 20:37 |
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| shardy | so if people want a non-resource orientated AS solution, I guess it doesn't belong in Heat, but I still don't really understand what the problem is with resources | 20:38 |
| therve | Well I guess what I'd like to understand is what would the responsibilities of the AS service | 20:38 |
| asalkeld | shardy, I think it's the interactions | 20:38 |
| asalkeld | so we need a rest api to case the scale up/down actions | 20:39 |
| radix | asadoughi: yeah, agreed | 20:39 |
| radix | er | 20:39 |
| radix | asalkeld: yeah, agreed. we need "scale-up" and "scale-down" operations no matter what the end solution is | 20:39 |
| shardy | One thing I mentioned a few times is that when we rip out all the alarms/monitoring stuff in favour of ceiolometer, then all you have in heat for AS is orchestration of actions triggered by ceilometer | 20:39 |
| shardy | so after that happens, I'm not really sure where the separate autoscale service fits | 20:39 |
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| asalkeld | mabe I can write something up | 20:40 |
| radix | shardy: yeah, agreed that monitoring should be external | 20:40 |
| asalkeld | and see if it makes sense to otheres | 20:40 |
| therve | asalkeld, That'd be wonderful :) | 20:40 |
| radix | shardy: and I'm also not super sure of why autoscale needs to be a separate service in that case | 20:40 |
| shardy | you could have some other orchestration service triggered by ceilometer, or have heat triggerd by some other alarm source, but I'm not sure what use-case people see for the standalone AS service | 20:40 |
| asalkeld | shardy, I guess action for me | 20:40 |
| shardy | #action asalked to write up AS/Ceilometer wiki | 20:41 |
| adrian_otto | I have a question about the Ceilometer suggestion before we switch topics | 20:41 |
| shardy | asalkeld: if you can clarify the vision for the Heat+CM story that would be great | 20:41 |
| asalkeld | shoot adrian_otto | 20:41 |
| adrian_otto | for autoscale, measurement of KPI's are needed in order to trigger a scale[up|down] event... | 20:42 |
| asalkeld | (as in go ahead) | 20:42 |
| asalkeld | :) | 20:42 |
| adrian_otto | some of those will be visible to the hypervisor (host) | 20:42 |
| adrian_otto | others are only visible from within the guest | 20:42 |
| asalkeld | both are possible | 20:42 |
| SpamapS | All handled by ceilometer's in-instance tools IIRC | 20:42 |
| adrian_otto | is there a strategy to be able to get at both categories of KPI's? | 20:42 |
| asalkeld | yes | 20:43 |
| adrian_otto | ok, so csilometer will have some form of an agent? | 20:43 |
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| adrian_otto | and that agent will be extensible? | 20:43 |
| asalkeld | yip, not yet - but in the works | 20:43 |
| SpamapS | s/agent/guest api/ .. tools should be really lightweight. | 20:43 |
| adrian_otto | will that be based on the open source Virgo agent on github? | 20:43 |
| asalkeld | adrian_otto, best if you can use curl | 20:43 |
| asalkeld | i.e. super easy | 20:43 |
| asalkeld | adrian_otto, I havn't see that | 20:44 |
| adrian_otto | so an in-guest client wold talk to an external API running somewhere (a ceilometer service?) | 20:44 |
| asalkeld | yes, rest api | 20:44 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://github.com/racker/virgo | 20:44 |
| kgriffs | +1 for using virgo (I recommended this a couple summits back) | 20:45 |
| adrian_otto | it's a pretty compact C based agent, extensible, signing features. | 20:45 |
| * stevebaker has to go | 20:45 | |
| asalkeld | adrian_otto, I'll have a look | 20:45 |
| adrian_otto | that assumes a pull model rather than a push model as you described. | 20:46 |
| adrian_otto | I think it's easier to scale a pull model in large deployments | 20:46 |
| SpamapS | Agents that measure things on servers are a dime a dozen. Give me a way to push that information somewhere and I'll be happy. :) | 20:46 |
| adrian_otto | think what happens when you have a million guests | 20:46 |
| asalkeld | I don't like that it's c | 20:46 |
| adrian_otto | you have a collector for the data regardless | 20:46 |
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| adrian_otto | a python agent would be considerably less memory efficient | 20:47 |
| adrian_otto | kgriffs can verify that claim | 20:47 |
| SpamapS | adrian_otto: push/pull is the common scaling pattern that goes back to large scale manufacturing automation.. where individuals push to collector caches which are pulled from by centralized systems as resources permit. | 20:47 |
| radix | I can too, unfortunately | 20:47 |
| therve | radix, Heh heh | 20:47 |
| radix | :) | 20:48 |
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| zb | I'm awake | 20:48 |
| radix | one way to partially mitigate memory-hungry agents is by not running them persistently, but instead as a cron job, depending on the type of collection you're doing | 20:49 |
| SpamapS | But yes, there are a bazillion ways to collect data about servers. Pull can easily be implemented by having one puller instance which then pushes everything into ceilometer. | 20:49 |
| radix | but this is getting pretty off-topic | 20:49 |
| sdake | morning zb ;) | 20:49 |
| * zb mutters at flaky internet | 20:49 | |
| adrian_otto | SpamapS: yep, I don't really care which way | 20:49 |
| shardy | radix: that's exactly what we do atm, basic but works ;) | 20:49 |
| adrian_otto | as long as there is an agent that can be easily and efficiently extended to allow the custom KPI's to surface to inform auto-scaling decisions | 20:50 |
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| SpamapS | Point is, ceilometer has an API for defining what acceptable operating parameters are, and for calling out to a hook URL when those parameters are exceeded. | 20:50 |
| shardy | shall we follow up on this discussion on the ML after asalkeld has documented the plan for Heat/Ceilometer integration? | 20:50 |
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| radix | +1, can't wait for asalkeld's post :) | 20:50 |
| SpamapS | which sounds suspiciously like what autoscaling does. :) | 20:50 |
| asalkeld | shardy, It was more about autoscaling | 20:50 |
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| radix | SpamapS: I think the only piece in the middle is defining smarter stuff about what to do when scaling | 20:50 |
| asalkeld | ceilo work is in progress | 20:50 |
| radix | SpamapS: which isn't totally trivial | 20:51 |
| kgriffs | virgo is nice because it's already there, supports signing, and is extremely light weight. All your logic is written in Lua, and it's very efficient at posting metrics since it uses luvit. | 20:51 |
| shardy | asalkeld: I think the two are closely related, so it would be great to explain the CM/Heat thing as well as the AS ideas | 20:51 |
| asalkeld | ok | 20:51 |
| asalkeld | np | 20:51 |
| shardy | I think that autoscaling == alarms+orchestration | 20:51 |
| shardy | essentially | 20:51 |
| asalkeld | sure | 20:51 |
| SpamapS | radix: yes, _that_ would be what I call orchestration. :) | 20:51 |
| radix | shardy: "orchestration" is like a gas :) | 20:52 |
| shardy | asalkeld: anyway, you're best placed to join the dots for us all on the CM stuff, so hopefully that will help the AS discussions too :) | 20:52 |
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| asalkeld | yip | 20:52 |
| SpamapS | I do think there's a need for an API for those alarm hooks to hit, and that API is "the scaling API" | 20:52 |
| shardy | 8 mins, anything else from anyone? | 20:53 |
| m4dcoder | if alarms+orchestration, then instead of a service that focus on AS, why not a service that has broad scope on automated actions and remediations? | 20:53 |
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| m4dcoder | any input to http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2013-June/010593.html? | 20:53 |
| adrian_otto | sensor/effector | 20:53 |
| shardy | m4dcoder: You mean something which can orchestrate stuff, like heat? | 20:53 |
| m4dcoder | i'm still trying to gather requirements for bp as-update-policy | 20:53 |
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| asalkeld | m4dcoder, if we just had a work flow thingy | 20:53 |
| shardy | triggered by an alarm source, like ceilometer? | 20:53 |
| radix | SpamapS: it needs to know about groups, and policies like "scale up 10%" vs "scale up +1" and stuff like that | 20:54 |
| randallburt | queue kebray | 20:54 |
| SpamapS | m4dcoder: automated actions and remediations fall into orchestration as a general topic, and the provider stuff being added to HOT will likely make that a user definable thing. | 20:54 |
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| kebray | workflow thingies are good. | 20:54 |
| SpamapS | m4dcoder: I'd love to work with you on as-update-policy .. it falls right into my rolling updates work. | 20:54 |
| kebray | But, TaskFlow projects are even better :-) | 20:54 |
| randallburt | loves all the hopes and dreams being piled on to "hot provider stuff" | 20:54 |
| asalkeld | SpamapS, well we just need a resource to create workflows | 20:55 |
| asalkeld | and we can action those from alarm/scaling | 20:55 |
| m4dcoder | SpamapS: awesome. need some guidance. | 20:55 |
| SpamapS | randallburt: its the duke nukem of orchestration | 20:55 |
| * asalkeld thinks it's not much to do with format | 20:55 | |
| randallburt | at first I was all like "HA" and then I was all like 'awww.' | 20:55 |
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| randallburt | just call me the John Carmack of Openstack | 20:56 |
| asalkeld | kebray, how is your proj. doing? | 20:56 |
| asalkeld | does it do something yet? | 20:56 |
| kebray | It's great.. can't really call it my project, but TaskFlow is making excellent progress. Cinder took a dependency on the Task library for H release. | 20:56 |
| asalkeld | can I create a job to run acommand | 20:56 |
| * stevebaker is back | 20:56 | |
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| kebray | create_volume is almost fully working in cinder using the new library. | 20:57 |
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| asalkeld | I meant aas | 20:57 |
| SpamapS | nice | 20:57 |
| SpamapS | 2 min | 20:57 |
| asalkeld | (the service, not the lib) | 20:57 |
| randallburt | there is no aas until the lib is done/vetted, right? | 20:58 |
| zaneb | asalkeld: I totally misread that previous line | 20:58 |
| asalkeld | yea zaneb needs some sleep | 20:58 |
| kebray | create_volume stuff using TaskFlow: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/29862/ | 20:58 |
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| shardy | kebray: interesting | 20:59 |
| shardy | time's up - thanks all! | 20:59 |
| shardy | #endmeeting | 20:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jun 19 20:59:22 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2013/heat.2013-06-19-20.00.html | 20:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2013/heat.2013-06-19-20.00.txt | 20:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2013/heat.2013-06-19-20.00.log.html | 20:59 |
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| therve | Thanks! | 20:59 |
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| radix | thanks guys ) | 20:59 |
| jd__ | #startmeeting ceilometer | 21:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jun 19 21:00:22 2013 UTC. The chair is jd__. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: ceilometer)" | 21:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ceilometer' | 21:00 |
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| asalkeld | o/ | 21:00 |
| sandywalsh | o/ | 21:00 |
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| eglynn-afk | o/ | 21:00 |
| nealph | \o | 21:00 |
| DanD | o/ | 21:00 |
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| jd__ | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/MeteringAgenda | 21:01 |
| jd__ | I'll start with my havana-2 review if you don't mind eglynn | 21:01 |
| eglynn | jd__: shoot | 21:01 |
| jd__ | #topic Review Havana-2 milestone | 21:01 |
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| dhellmann | o/ | 21:01 |
| jd__ | #link https://launchpad.net/ceilometer/+milestone/havana-2 | 21:01 |
| jd__ | so ttx thinks we're on track and starts asking question about the High bp here | 21:02 |
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| jd__ | eglynn: typically you seems to have a lot and only one started, will everything be ok? | 21:02 |
| jd__ | -s | 21:02 |
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| eglynn | yep, I might bump a couple of minor ones | 21:03 |
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| jd__ | havana-2 is in 1 month from now | 21:03 |
| eglynn | e.g. https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ceilometer/+spec/transformer-unit | 21:03 |
| * dhellmann will be starting his high bp late this week or early next week | 21:03 | |
| eglynn | i.e. bump that transformer one to h3 | 21:03 |
| jd__ | eglynn: ok, if you need some help about this one I can probably take it over or assign someone | 21:03 |
| eglynn | k, cool | 21:03 |
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| jd__ | dhellmann: cool | 21:04 |
| jd__ | otherwise we're pretty ok! | 21:04 |
| jd__ | and if you've some time, code reviews would be nice too :) | 21:04 |
| asalkeld | yea, my reviews have been patchy - been working on heat | 21:05 |
| jd__ | ok, moving on :) | 21:05 |
| jd__ | asalkeld: I guessed so :) | 21:05 |
| jd__ | #topic eglynn: Discuss preferred approach to detailed metering (CPU, network I/O, disk etc.) of nodes managed by the baremetal virt driver | 21:05 |
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| eglynn | ok, so the basic requirement is captured here ... | 21:06 |
| eglynn | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1188218 | 21:06 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1188218 in tripleo "Support standard ceilometer compute metrics with nova baremetal" [Medium,Triaged] | 21:06 |
| jd__ | is that related with the blueprint we have on hardware monitoring? | 21:06 |
| eglynn | obviously in the baremetal case, no libvirt => current ceilo compute agent will not cut it for detailed metering | 21:06 |
| jd__ | or can that be related? | 21:06 |
| asalkeld | eglynn, someone just pointed me at https://github.com/racker/virgo | 21:06 |
| jd__ | right, I already asked the question in the bug report. | 21:06 |
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| jd__ | there's Lua in there | 21:07 |
| * jd__ runs | 21:07 | |
| asalkeld | yea, and c | 21:07 |
| eglynn | jd__: related to https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack/?searchtext=monitoring-physical-devices do you mean? | 21:07 |
| asalkeld | just saying... | 21:07 |
| jd__ | I don't run on C, it might bites otherwise | 21:07 |
| jd__ | eglynn: yeah | 21:07 |
| eglynn | jd__: yep, that one possibility | 21:08 |
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| kgriffs | it might be interesting to do something in the spirit of virgo, but using Python | 21:08 |
| eglynn | however I don't fully understand how that hardware agent works | 21:08 |
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| eglynn | i.e. would the agent run on the baremetal host? | 21:08 |
| jd__ | eglynn: I admit I stiil didn't take the time to review deeply | 21:08 |
| eglynn | or externally? | 21:08 |
| sandywalsh | asalkeld, could Diamond not do it? | 21:08 |
| dhellmann | sandywalsh: you took the words right out of my keyboard | 21:09 |
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| asalkeld | sandywalsh, maybe | 21:09 |
| sandywalsh | :) | 21:09 |
| asalkeld | you mean running on the instances? | 21:09 |
| asalkeld | auth would be an issue | 21:09 |
| dhellmann | the agent could publish to the rest api, right? | 21:10 |
| eglynn | yeah, so on the subject of auth | 21:10 |
| jd__ | dhellmann: I was about to say that | 21:10 |
| sandywalsh | if it's running on the instances, that would be an issue for any solution | 21:10 |
| eglynn | the agent would need to know os_username, os_passeord etc | 21:10 |
| sandywalsh | (ie. if there's no host/hypervisor under the instance) | 21:10 |
| asalkeld | eglynn, keypair | 21:10 |
| jd__ | just build an hardware agent that pushes metrics via the REST API and that's it | 21:10 |
| jd__ | basically the use case of such hardware monitoring is the same as monitoring something external to OS | 21:11 |
| eglynn | but maybe that's no worse than the heat approach of pushing out the AWS access and secret key? | 21:11 |
| eglynn | (IIUC) | 21:11 |
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| eglynn | https://github.com/stackforge/tripleo-image-elements/blob/master/elements/heat-cfntools/os-config-applier/etc/cfn/cfn-credentials | 21:11 |
| asalkeld | yip that is it | 21:11 |
| sandywalsh | eglynn, perhaps we could issue a revokable "API key" that the agent could use to push data, but the user could take away if needed or abused | 21:12 |
| jd__ | eglynn: these are users credentials, right? | 21:12 |
| eglynn | so is that any more secure, really? | 21:12 |
| sandywalsh | we'd still need proper rate limiting anyway | 21:12 |
| asalkeld | https://github.com/openstack/heat-cfntools/blob/master/bin/cfn-push-stats | 21:12 |
| dhellmann | sandywalsh: that sounds like a keystone token? | 21:12 |
| asalkeld | we have this little script we use in heat ^ | 21:12 |
| eglynn | jd__: creds sufficient to POST stats to the ceilo API | 21:12 |
| asalkeld | sandywalsh, + | 21:12 |
| jd__ | eglynn: fair enough | 21:12 |
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| sandywalsh | dhellmann, slightly different, kind of like when you let Twitter issue another api token | 21:13 |
| jd__ | eglynn: but how can ceilometer/keystone issue such special creds? we don't have delegatino or anything AFAIK | 21:13 |
| dhellmann | asalkeld: if you have that, why are we building another? :-) | 21:13 |
| eglynn | sandywalsh: well what would be nice would the AWS AMI style of key rotation | 21:13 |
| dhellmann | sandywalsh: ok, I thought keystone could do something similar | 21:13 |
| asalkeld | yea, we need to move that into ceilo domian | 21:13 |
| sandywalsh | keystone can issue more tokens but they're still tied to that use (acting as that user), no on-behalf of, with limited access | 21:14 |
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| dhellmann | asalkeld: where do the values for the args come from? | 21:14 |
| sandywalsh | for example, the token couldn't be used to stop the instance | 21:14 |
| asalkeld | psutil | 21:14 |
| asalkeld | dhellmann, o | 21:14 |
| dhellmann | so there's a wrapper script that calls psutil and then invokes this script? | 21:14 |
| asalkeld | dhellmann, the template | 21:14 |
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| asalkeld | no the template sets up the args | 21:15 |
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| asalkeld | I'll get a like | 21:15 |
| asalkeld | link | 21:15 |
| dhellmann | how does the template know, for example, the value for --mem-util? | 21:15 |
| dolphm | reading back... user to user role delegation per project is available in grizzly via https://github.com/openstack/identity-api/blob/master/openstack-identity-api/src/markdown/identity-api-v3-os-trust-ext.md | 21:15 |
| asalkeld | dhellmann, https://github.com/openstack/heat-templates/blob/master/cfn/AutoScalingMultiAZSample.template#L224 | 21:16 |
| jd__ | dolphm: ah interesting | 21:16 |
| asalkeld | dhellmann, it's not a value | 21:16 |
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| asalkeld | just please send memutils | 21:16 |
| dhellmann | ah, I see | 21:17 |
| dhellmann | I thought psutil was a cli | 21:17 |
| eglynn | dolphm: on the keyestone trusts: "The trust may only be valid for a specified time period, as defined by expires_at" | 21:18 |
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| * eglynn wonders if if a trust can last forever effectively ... | 21:18 | |
| asalkeld | dhellmann, https://code.google.com/p/psutil/ | 21:18 |
| dhellmann | asalkeld: | 21:18 |
| dolphm | eglynn: yes, just don't specify an expiration | 21:18 |
| dhellmann | asalkeld: cool | 21:18 |
| eglynn | k | 21:18 |
| dolphm | that could be worded more clealry | 21:18 |
| jd__ | so we would have to use a special role or something IIUC? | 21:19 |
| dolphm | Optionally, the trust may only be valid... | 21:19 |
| eglynn | so I guess most basic question is whether we've confidence in the hardware-agent landing anytime soon | 21:19 |
| eglynn | or whether it's better to concentrate on a simple on-host script and deal with the auth issue in some way | 21:19 |
| * dhellmann shrugs | 21:19 | |
| eglynn | e.g. via trusts as suggested above | 21:19 |
| dhellmann | we have the trust issue either way, right? | 21:19 |
| sandywalsh | https://github.com/BrightcoveOS/Diamond | 21:20 |
| eglynn | yep, I guess | 21:20 |
| dhellmann | we can't assume the ceilometer service is going to be able to talk to the instance | 21:20 |
| jd__ | eglynn: it can land if we review it | 21:20 |
| dhellmann | the connection has to come out of the instance to a potentially public API | 21:20 |
| jd__ | dhellmann: +1 | 21:20 |
| sandywalsh | diamond also has hypervisor support so it can be used on both sides of the fence | 21:20 |
| sandywalsh | and it already has graphite/statsd/etc support | 21:20 |
| sandywalsh | (and we've already rolled it out internally ... :) | 21:21 |
| eglynn | sandywalsh: "on both sides of the fence" == "inside or outside the baremetal host"? | 21:21 |
| sandywalsh | eglynn, yep | 21:21 |
| eglynn | k | 21:21 |
| sandywalsh | eglynn, under a hypervisor or not | 21:21 |
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| asalkeld | sandywalsh, that's great but again we need to get it to talk to ceiloapi | 21:22 |
| dhellmann | asalkeld: there's a "plugin" system for creating publishers, sort of like ours | 21:22 |
| asalkeld | ok | 21:22 |
| sandywalsh | same problem regardless of the solution you pick. diamond has a nice driver interface | 21:22 |
| dhellmann | it would work ok for running on the host and collecting data, because we could configure tenant id and stuff | 21:22 |
| asalkeld | well that is cool | 21:22 |
| dhellmann | I'm not so sure about on the hypervisor side, since we couldn't tie usage for a given instance to a tenant from the outside as easily | 21:22 |
| dhellmann | although it would work well for monitoring the hypervisor itself, for the scheduler | 21:23 |
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| asalkeld | in instance would be fine | 21:23 |
| dhellmann | but one problem at a time -- let's see if it works for collecting data from inside the instance first | 21:23 |
| asalkeld | we just need the publisher | 21:23 |
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| eglynn | so are we saying that all on-host approaches would suffer from the same auth issue? (i.e. needing to talk to the ceilo API) | 21:23 |
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| dhellmann | and we need some sort of deployment instructions | 21:23 |
| dhellmann | eglynn: yes | 21:24 |
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| asalkeld | sandywalsh, thanks I didn't know about the publisher plugin | 21:24 |
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| sandywalsh | asalkeld, np | 21:24 |
| dhellmann | you cannot assume that the instance can talk to protected services through back-channels | 21:24 |
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| dhellmann | I could see us, eventually, supporting several data collection tools inside the instance | 21:24 |
| sandywalsh | right, we have the rackspace agent, which uses the xen back-channel, but it's still an optional component the user can opt-out of | 21:24 |
| dhellmann | that way tenants can choose to run something they're comfortable with | 21:24 |
| dhellmann | the heat script and a diamond plugin seem like good places to start | 21:25 |
| asalkeld | yip | 21:25 |
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| dhellmann | I suggest we create separate git repos for each of these clients, so they can be packaged and distributed separately from the rest of ceilometer | 21:25 |
| eglynn | yep the heat scrtip definitely has the benefit of simplicity | 21:25 |
| sandywalsh | https://github.com/rackerlabs/openstack-guest-agents-unix | 21:25 |
| dhellmann | some day someone will need to write a windows client, too, I suppose | 21:25 |
| jd__ | dhellmann: +1 | 21:26 |
| sandywalsh | we have a windows one too | 21:26 |
| dhellmann | cool | 21:26 |
| sandywalsh | https://github.com/rackerlabs/openstack-guest-agents-windows-xenserver | 21:26 |
| dhellmann | so is the roadmap 1) heat script 2) diamond publisher 3) other ? | 21:26 |
| sandywalsh | it would be nice to abstract the xen stuff and make it generic | 21:26 |
| eglynn | dhellmann: yep, and then tie into tripleO via a ceilometer element | 21:26 |
| eglynn | in the style of https://github.com/stackforge/tripleo-image-elements/tree/master/elements | 21:27 |
| dhellmann | where other might be something based on all the fancy agents the rackers keep building :-) | 21:27 |
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| * dhellmann needs to read more about triple0 | 21:28 | |
| eglynn | given the buzz behind tripleO, use of the baremetal driver is going to be widespread | 21:28 |
| * eglynn state the obvious again ... ;) | 21:28 | |
| dhellmann | yeah, we're looking at it internally, too | 21:28 |
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| eglynn | so defo something we or the tripleO team will need to get to grips with | 21:29 |
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| eglynn | anyway some good ideas above | 21:29 |
| eglynn | good food for thought ... | 21:29 |
| sandywalsh | we can probably arrange a meetup at rackspace to go over TripleO if that's of interest? | 21:29 |
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| dhellmann | that might be cool, but it would have to wait. I'm seriously overbooked right now. | 21:30 |
| eglynn | sandywalsh: interesting, we've got some Red Hatters ramping up on tripleO | 21:30 |
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| dhellmann | it would probably make as much sense for me to send one of our ops guys, so do let me know if you schedule something sandywalsh | 21:30 |
| sandywalsh | k, I'll send it up the flagpole | 21:31 |
| dhellmann | ty | 21:31 |
| eglynn | yep similarly, keep us informed if it's a runner ... | 21:31 |
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| jd__ | should we move on to the next topic? | 21:32 |
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| eglynn | next one should be quicker ;) | 21:32 |
| jd__ | #topic eglynn: discuss timing of next python-ceilometerclient release (one distro has started to carry additional patches as there's no stable branches for clients upstream) | 21:32 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "eglynn: discuss timing of next python-ceilometerclient release (one distro has started to carry additional patches as there's no stable branches for clients upstream) (Meeting topic: ceilometer)" | 21:32 | |
| jd__ | which distro is doing that? | 21:32 |
| eglynn | k, so last ceiloclient release was 2013-03-28 | 21:32 |
| eglynn | jd__: RHOS | 21:33 |
| dhellmann | is there any reason not to just release every month or so, if there are changes? | 21:33 |
| eglynn | (just the change to make the v2 API the default ...) | 21:33 |
| jd__ | obviously! :p | 21:33 |
| jd__ | dhellmann: I can't see any | 21:33 |
| jd__ | eglynn: could/would you take care of it? | 21:33 |
| eglynn | jd__: sure | 21:33 |
| jd__ | I mean at least this time | 21:33 |
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| eglynn | understood | 21:34 |
| asalkeld | maybe have this as a running topic? "do we need a client release" | 21:34 |
| jd__ | though I don't mind if you release once in a while | 21:34 |
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| jd__ | we have no bp to implement in this, we have tests to know it works :) | 21:34 |
| dhellmann | asalkeld: +1 | 21:34 |
| eglynn | asalkeld tell me it's just a case of pushing a tag, so it could be done very frequently if we're so inclined ... | 21:34 |
| jd__ | asalkeld: fair enough, I'll add in the agenda then | 21:34 |
| eglynn | cool | 21:34 |
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| asalkeld | yea | 21:34 |
| asalkeld | git tap | 21:35 |
| asalkeld | git tag | 21:35 |
| asalkeld | git push --tags | 21:35 |
| dhellmann | I think it needs to be a signed tag, but otherwise it doesn't have to be special | 21:35 |
| asalkeld | that's it | 21:35 |
| asalkeld | yea, maybe | 21:35 |
| asalkeld | git tag -s | 21:35 |
| dhellmann | yeah | 21:35 |
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| eglynn | so the lack of stable branches in the python-*clients upstream behooves us to release often I think | 21:36 |
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| jd__ | yep | 21:36 |
| dhellmann | yep | 21:36 |
| asalkeld | I need to go soon | 21:37 |
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| jd__ | here here here he…. | 21:37 |
| asalkeld | (kids/school/breakfast/mayhem) | 21:37 |
| jd__ | I think we're good to got | 21:37 |
| kgriffs | O/ | 21:37 |
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| jd__ | #topic open discussion | 21:37 |
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| jd__ | anything to add? | 21:37 |
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| kgriffs | quick question | 21:37 |
| kgriffs | thinking longer-term, will ceilometer ever be exposed to tenants as a sort of generic monitoring service? | 21:38 |
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| jd__ | users have access to their meters | 21:38 |
| jd__ | they will have alarming soon | 21:38 |
| kgriffs | oic | 21:39 |
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| jd__ | does that quality as what you heard with monitoring, I don't know | 21:39 |
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| jd__ | s/heard/mean/ | 21:39 |
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| eglynn | s/quality/qualify/ ? | 21:39 |
| kgriffs | would it be helpful for users to be able to set custom monitors, like write a script to check my special app or something? | 21:39 |
| eglynn | currently the idea is threshold checking for ceilo meters only | 21:40 |
| eglynn | (i.e. not for custom application states) | 21:40 |
| kgriffs | ok. seems like there was a project someone talked about at the last summit that was trying to be more generic like that, and I was wondering how that meshed with ceilometer's roadmap | 21:40 |
| nealph | kgriffs: is there a specific requirement in your use case that rules out using the reporting api? | 21:41 |
| jd__ | eglynn: s// indeed :) | 21:42 |
| kgriffs | no, I was just wondering about custom collectors in the agent. | 21:42 |
| kgriffs | thinking longer term, Rackspace has a cloud monitoring product and it would be nice to see that built on OpenStack projects some day | 21:42 |
| dhellmann | kgriffs: ceilometer itself doesn't care what "meter" a sample is for | 21:43 |
| eglynn | cloudkick? | 21:43 |
| dhellmann | so it's just a question of how to get the data into the system | 21:43 |
| kgriffs | right | 21:43 |
| dhellmann | if you have access to the message bus, that's one way | 21:44 |
| kgriffs | we currently use virgo which can pull down signed scripts and run them to do custom checks | 21:44 |
| kgriffs | it would be cool if diamond could support that, but it may be out of scope for that project. | 21:44 |
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| nealph | dhellmann: that's the yang to my reporting comment yin. :) | 21:45 |
| dhellmann | yep | 21:46 |
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| sandywalsh | gotta jump off ... later guys! | 21:46 |
| jd__ | cya | 21:46 |
| eglynn | bye | 21:47 |
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| kgriffs | ok, cool. this all pie-in-the-sky, but good to keep on the radar | 21:47 |
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| jd__ | closing the meeting, continue to hangout in #openstack-metering if you need | 21:47 |
| kgriffs | kk | 21:47 |
| jd__ | have a nice day/night/whatever and thanks for coming :) | 21:47 |
| jd__ | #endmeeting | 21:47 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 21:47 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jun 19 21:47:33 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:47 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ceilometer/2013/ceilometer.2013-06-19-21.00.html | 21:47 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ceilometer/2013/ceilometer.2013-06-19-21.00.txt | 21:47 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ceilometer/2013/ceilometer.2013-06-19-21.00.log.html | 21:47 |
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| fifieldt | reed? | 23:06 |
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| fifieldt | hi etoews1 | 23:07 |
| etoews1 | Hi! | 23:07 |
| fifieldt | how are you? | 23:08 |
| etoews1 | Anyone else around? | 23:08 |
| fifieldt | well, reed isn;t here :| | 23:08 |
| etoews1 | Good | 23:08 |
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| etoews1 | Heh good as in I'm good | 23:08 |
| etoews1 | Not good that reed isn't here | 23:08 |
| fifieldt | haha, indeed | 23:08 |
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| etoews1 | Who's reed? | 23:09 |
| fifieldt | stef | 23:09 |
| etoews1 | Ah | 23:09 |
| fifieldt | he's not on skype either, so perhaps he messed up the time | 23:09 |
| fifieldt | worth waiting, I guess :) ? | 23:09 |
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| etoews1 | But the hockey game is about to start! | 23:10 |
| etoews1 | S'okay | 23:10 |
| fifieldt | oh no! | 23:10 |
| etoews1 | I can wait | 23:10 |
| etoews1 | Anyone else express an interest in this meeting? | 23:11 |
| fifieldt | not that I was emailed about :) | 23:12 |
| * fifieldt is reading https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-community while waiting | 23:12 | |
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| etoews1 | 3 more min will make it 15 | 23:12 |
| evgeny_ | fifieldt: hi | 23:12 |
| fifieldt | hi evgeny_ | 23:12 |
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| fifieldt | Stef says: "I'm having serious issues joining irc from this goddamn conference " | 23:13 |
| evgeny_ | Tom, ok. We've deployed the Paoding search, but we need a tester to evaluate. | 23:14 |
| etoews1 | I had to find some sketchy restaurant wifi to connect because SASL | 23:14 |
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| evgeny_ | also we language is integrated into the openstack-ask theme | 23:14 |
| fifieldt | lol, you're in a sketchy restaurant? awesome | 23:14 |
| fifieldt | that's awesome news evgeny_! | 23:15 |
| fifieldt | stef may have found a way in | 23:15 |
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| reed | hi all | 23:16 |
| fifieldt | hi reed! | 23:16 |
| fifieldt | we have etoews1 and evgeny_ here | 23:16 |
| reed | sorry for the delay: IRC from conferences is way too complicated | 23:16 |
| reed | ok, let's start the meeting | 23:16 |
| reed | #meeting start OpenStack Community | 23:16 |
| reed | #start OpenStack Community | 23:17 |
| fifieldt | #startmeeting OpenStack Community | 23:17 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jun 19 23:17:43 2013 UTC. The chair is fifieldt. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 23:17 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 23:17 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: OpenStack Community)" | 23:17 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_community' | 23:17 |
| fifieldt | there you go :) | 23:17 |
| reed | yeah | 23:18 |
| reed | thanks, I don't have all my tools in here | 23:18 |
| reed | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Community has the agenda | 23:18 |
| fifieldt | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Community | 23:18 |
| reed | evgeny_: want to start from first point, evaluate pending issues https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-community ? | 23:19 |
| evgeny_ | ok. | 23:19 |
| reed | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-community/+bugs?field.tag=askproject | 23:19 |
| reed | what's the status of the certificate? | 23:20 |
| evgeny_ | no progress yet on those. We've updated the Chinese search and integrated theme with the language menu | 23:20 |
| evgeny_ | reed: we need the bundle file | 23:20 |
| evgeny_ | I think I can't come up with it on my own | 23:21 |
| reed | jim replied to that but saying that the bundle file is included in the tar.gz he sent | 23:21 |
| evgeny_ | it's a set of certificates from yours to roots | 23:21 |
| reed | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-community/+bug/1172076/comments/2 | 23:21 |
| evgeny_ | looking | 23:21 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1172076 in openstack-community "ask.openstack.org misconfigured security certificate" [High,In progress] | 23:21 |
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| evgeny_ | I've looked for email from him with the certs - don't see | 23:22 |
| evgeny_ | oh, ok | 23:23 |
| evgeny_ | let me see | 23:23 |
| fifieldt | based on that comment it seems like it's on the system already? | 23:23 |
| evgeny_ | sounds like it, looking | 23:23 |
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| reed | evgeny_: let's put this as an action item for next week. Please allocate time to fix that issue | 23:24 |
| evgeny_ | I see this file | 23:24 |
| evgeny_ | will do very soon | 23:24 |
| reed | #action evgeny_ to work on bug 1172076 | 23:24 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1172076 in openstack-community "ask.openstack.org misconfigured security certificate" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1172076 | 23:24 |
| reed | evgeny_: do you want to highlight briefly the status of Ask in Chinese? | 23:25 |
| evgeny_ | we've updated the language analyzer for Chinese, now need a tester to evaluate | 23:25 |
| fifieldt | I can take a look | 23:26 |
| evgeny_ | also language selector is implemented in your theme (ask-staging.openstack.org) | 23:26 |
| reed | evgeny_: what's the url for the test? | 23:26 |
| evgeny_ | ask-staging.openstack.org/zh/ | 23:26 |
| reed | #link http://ask-staging.openstack.org | 23:26 |
| evgeny_ | language navigation is top right | 23:26 |
| reed | evgeny_: what's the status of the translation for the GUI elements? do you need help from translators on transifex? | 23:28 |
| evgeny_ | yes | 23:28 |
| evgeny_ | ok, I will deploy the UI in a couple of days | 23:29 |
| evgeny_ | then we'll see how it looks | 23:29 |
| reed | #info Ask in Chinese needs help from Chinese community to translate GUI elements https://www.transifex.com/projects/p/askbot/ | 23:29 |
| etoews1 | FYI I'm going to need to drop off on 10 minutes or so. The family is getting antsy. :) | 23:29 |
| fifieldt | evgeny_, is it possible to generate PO files for askbot? | 23:29 |
| reed | etoews1: sorry for it | 23:30 |
| evgeny_ | they are in transifex | 23:30 |
| fifieldt | oh cool | 23:30 |
| evgeny_ | fifieldt: yes - they are generated from the templates and js and are part of the repo | 23:30 |
| evgeny_ | but we use ONLY transifex for the translations b/c it is important to have a single source (at least helps a lot) | 23:30 |
| reed | fifieldt: I think we can help with transifex, right? | 23:31 |
| fifieldt | https://www.transifex.com/projects/p/askbot/ | 23:31 |
| fifieldt | #link https://www.transifex.com/projects/p/askbot/ | 23:31 |
| evgeny_ | reed: I'm creating a Trello board, will invite you | 23:32 |
| fifieldt | it looks like chinese is only 60% translated so far | 23:32 |
| fifieldt | so it's >5000 words to go | 23:32 |
| fifieldt | this would be a major translation effort for us right now | 23:32 |
| fifieldt | so we'd probably need to look at which specific strings we actually need | 23:33 |
| reed | #link https://www.transifex.com/projects/p/askbot/ | 23:33 |
| evgeny_ | yes, that makes sense | 23:33 |
| reed | fifieldt: I'm thinking of asking people to help | 23:33 |
| evgeny_ | there probably a bunch of fuzzy (outdated) strings | 23:33 |
| reed | from the Chinese groups | 23:34 |
| fifieldt | yes, reed - but we also have a lot of other needs for translation right now | 23:34 |
| fifieldt | they should be prioritised | 23:34 |
| fifieldt | so we should talk to daisy | 23:34 |
| reed | #action reed to send a request to Chinese User Groups to help translate askbot GUI | 23:35 |
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| fifieldt | I think you should be sending an email to daisy first | 23:35 |
| reed | evgeny_: what are next steps for the project? | 23:35 |
| fifieldt | such random requests without a plan and priorities can burn out our people :) | 23:36 |
| evgeny_ | reed: fix the issues on the tracker | 23:36 |
| evgeny_ | implement UI language switch | 23:36 |
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| evgeny_ | deploy what on ask-staging | 23:37 |
| evgeny_ | then people will be able to see what needs to be translated | 23:37 |
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| evgeny_ | technically - if Chinese search works we can deploy on the production | 23:38 |
| evgeny_ | even if the UI is not translated | 23:38 |
| evgeny_ | reed: that's up to you - to wait for the UI translation or not | 23:39 |
| reed | agreed, I'm not too concerned about having 100% UI translated | 23:39 |
| reed | let's get the search capability out of the door first, I and fifieldt will take care of the GUI stuff | 23:40 |
| etoews1 | Yep. I really gotta go. I'll catch up with the meeting minutes later. I'm out of the office next week so won't be around. | 23:40 |
| etoews1 | TTLY | 23:40 |
| fifieldt | ciao etoews1 | 23:41 |
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| reed | evgeny_: what are the next steps for this project... what are you going to do until next meeting? | 23:41 |
| reed | for the Ask Chinese project I mean | 23:41 |
| evgeny_ | I will fix issues listed on the board (ssl cert, etc), implement UI language switch, setup alert for security updates | 23:42 |
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| reed | evgeny_: do you want to go through the other bugs and make sure they're properly triaged? | 23:43 |
| evgeny_ | for the chinese | 23:43 |
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| evgeny_ | ok | 23:43 |
| reed | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-community/+bug/1190834 | 23:43 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1190834 in openstack-community "ask.openstack can't interrogate based on views" [Undecided,New] | 23:43 |
| evgeny_ | let's do that | 23:43 |
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| reed | fifieldt: you filed that, want to add more details? | 23:43 |
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| fifieldt | oh, sure | 23:44 |
| evgeny_ | reed: imo that one is invalid (at least if taken literally) | 23:44 |
| fifieldt | so, I basically figured that the number of views indicates how 'popular' the question is | 23:44 |
| evgeny_ | that is because usually view counts correlate strongly with age | 23:44 |
| evgeny_ | of the question | 23:44 |
| fifieldt | getting there evgeny_ :) | 23:44 |
| evgeny_ | trending score would need to be something different | 23:45 |
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| fifieldt | since our questions are mainly problems, the view count normalised against the age could be an indicator of issues in openstack | 23:45 |
| evgeny_ | maybe, that might work | 23:45 |
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| evgeny_ | "trending" sort may be another sort option and may be default, if it works well. | 23:46 |
| reed | ok, I think this is something that needs more discussions... let's move the comments on the bug itself and we can decide if it's a bug or not | 23:47 |
| evgeny_ | it's definitely a feature request | 23:47 |
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| reed | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-community/+bug/1190915 | 23:47 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1190915 in openstack-community "ask.openstack - angle brackets, even inside <pre> tags are not printed in preview mode" [Undecided,New] | 23:47 |
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| evgeny_ | the previewer will need work | 23:48 |
| evgeny_ | there are two markdown parsers | 23:48 |
| evgeny_ | one in js for the frontend and one on the server - for display | 23:48 |
| evgeny_ | of the rendered posts | 23:48 |
| evgeny_ | two code bases | 23:49 |
| evgeny_ | ideally the previewer implementation should be a 1:1 port of python markdown | 23:49 |
| evgeny_ | to javascript | 23:49 |
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| evgeny_ | but again - issues like this one can be dealt with on one by one bases | 23:50 |
| evgeny_ | basis | 23:50 |
| evgeny_ | there won't be a solid guarantee though, one new thing can break another | 23:51 |
| evgeny_ | as it's a parser | 23:51 |
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| fifieldt | it's not my place to say, but isn't this a classic double-maintenance problem? I'm just thinking whether there might be some way to use just the server parser :) but anyway, it tends to work well | 23:52 |
| fifieldt | ok reed has dropped out | 23:52 |
| fifieldt | I am relaying messages from skype | 23:52 |
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| fifieldt | reed: " my long term suggestion: get rid of markdown and go wysiwyg html editor" | 23:52 |
| evgeny_ | unfortunately that would make the previewer lagging | 23:52 |
| evgeny_ | but definitely possible | 23:52 |
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| fifieldt | coolo, will leave you to think - you're the experts :) | 23:53 |
| fifieldt | next bug ... | 23:53 |
| evgeny_ | reed: frankly for your community I recommend markdown, but wysiwyg is an available option | 23:53 |
| fifieldt | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-community/+bug/1189103 | 23:53 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1189103 in openstack-community "ask.openstack user profile 'activity' tab not showing latest info for frequent contributors" [Medium,Triaged] | 23:53 |
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| reed | dropped | 23:54 |
| fifieldt | wb reed, we';re on the next bug | 23:54 |
| reed | cool | 23:54 |
| evgeny_ | activity tab is supposed to show activity of the given user | 23:54 |
| evgeny_ | not the whole forum activity | 23:55 |
| fifieldt | yes, of course | 23:55 |
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| fifieldt | the problem is that it appears to be truncated after a certain amount of lines | 23:55 |
| evgeny_ | so given that there is still an issue in your opinion? | 23:56 |
| fifieldt | yes | 23:56 |
| evgeny_ | ok - got it | 23:56 |
| fifieldt | look at the example user | 23:56 |
| fifieldt | cool | 23:56 |
| evgeny_ | the solution is to add pagination (at least this is how we have it on other pages) | 23:56 |
| reed | evgeny_: that sample link shows my activity as it stopped in April... not good :) | 23:57 |
| fifieldt | works for me | 23:57 |
| evgeny_ | we had a similar problem on the list of users questions and answers - I've just solved this on a dev branch | 23:57 |
| reed | yeah, pagination or just the most recent activity in one page, latest first | 23:57 |
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| evgeny_ | ok, second item - see if info is not dropped for some reason or sorting is correct | 23:58 |
| reed | ready to go to the next one? | 23:58 |
| reed | https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-community/+bug/1184298 | 23:58 |
| evgeny_ | yes, I've updated the commment | 23:58 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1184298 in openstack-community "ask.openstack 'Enthusiast' badge appears not to be working" [Medium,Triaged] | 23:58 |
| evgeny_ | this is clear t ome | 23:59 |
| reed | alright | 23:59 |
| evgeny_ | let's go to the next one | 23:59 |
| reed | https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-community/+bug/1190695 | 23:59 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1190695 in openstack-community "email summary from Ask lists Evgeny as contact point" [High,Triaged] | 23:59 |
| reed | I think there are two issues here | 23:59 |
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