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mesteryrkukura, rcurran, matrohon: here?14:00
mesteryLets do the ML2 meeting!14:00
mestery#startmeeting networking_ml214:00
openstackMeeting started Wed Jul 10 14:00:21 2013 UTC.  The chair is mestery. Information about MeetBot at
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.14:00
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: networking_ml2)"14:00
openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'networking_ml2'14:00
mestery#topic Action Items14:00
*** openstack changes topic to "Action Items (Meeting topic: networking_ml2)"14:00
mestery#link ML2 Wiki14:00
mesteryWe should try to start filling up the ML2 wiki page.14:00
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rkukuraI have not made any progress on this, but will. Others should contribute as well.14:01
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mesteryrkukura: Yes, agreed! I plan to add some devstack setup info this week.14:01
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rkukuraI'm planning to add an intro and links to slides, etc.14:01
mesteryThat would be most helpful for folks new to ML2.14:02
rkukuraThen we should link it into the main neutron wiki page's list of plugins14:02
mestery#action ML2 Team to update ML2 wiki page.14:02
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mesteryrkukura: Is arosen on the same page as ML2 multi-segment networks with this review:
mesteryThat was the next action item on the list.14:03
mesteryfrom last week14:03
rkukurai haven't heard any objections to that approach - will do a detailed review14:03
mesteryrkukura: Great, thanks!14:03
rkukuraand will look into exposing that extension14:03
rkukuraarosen did ping me about it last week14:04
mesteryrkukura: There is also this one from the Cisco side:
mesteryrkukura: That one will be implemented in the context of Nexus 1000V, just throwing it out there for now.14:04
rkukurasame extension API?14:05
mesteryI need to validate that and get back to you, but I believe it's very similar yes.14:05
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rkukuraI'm thinking this approach could give more flexibility for type drivers to define sensible attributes14:05
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mesteryOK, great!14:06
mesteryOK, moving on to the next agenda item.14:06
mestery#topic Blueprint Updates14:06
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mestery#link MechanismDriver Review14:07
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mesteryapech can't make it today14:07
mesteryBut I think the MechanismDriver review is in good shape now.14:07
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rkukurathat one is looking good to me - could get in today14:07
mesteryrkukura: My thoughts exactly!14:07
rkukuraI will test it in devstack today and +2 if no issues14:07
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mesteryGreat! I hope we can get that one and the GRE and VXLAN type drivers in today if possible.14:08
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mesteryAny questions on MechanismDriver review?14:08
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rkukurais apech available if updates are needed today?14:08
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mesteryYes, he said he would be online most of the day, just not for hte meeting.14:08
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sukhdevrkukura: I can fill in for apech, if needed14:09
mesterysukhdev: Thanks!14:09
mesteryOK, next blueprint.14:09
mestery#link ML2 PortBinding14:09
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rkukurano progress - tied up with release work - should free up today to work on this14:10
mesteryrkukura: How goes PortBinding?14:10
mesterySo this one is likely H3 then right?14:10
rkukurabut early H314:10
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mesteryOK, any questions on PortBinding?14:10
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rkukuraanyone know if the nova side got in ?14:11
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mesteryI don't think it quite made it yet.14:11
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sukhdevYes, Nova side is in14:11
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mestery#link ML2 GRE14:12
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mesterymatrohon: Hi14:12
matrohonhi : I will push a new version with alembic script14:12
mesteryGreat! I did the same for VXLAN. If that's your only change, I won't have to rebase the VXLAN review against yours.14:13
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mesteryI think we can get ML2 GRE in today, what do you think matrohon?>14:13
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rkukuraAre Zhang Hua's comments all addressed?14:13
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matrohonmestery I hope so, maybe tomorrow because it's the end of the day for me14:14
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mesteryI think matrohon was waiting for Zhang Hua to respond to a few of his comments.14:14
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rkukuraI think he wanted the range numbers stripped14:14
matrohonrkukura: zhang hua complains about lockmode('update')14:14
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matrohonwhich is used everywhere else14:15
rkukuralet just be consistent with the rest of neutron on this for now14:15
mesteryrkukura: Does the freeze for H2 mean that if we don't get this in today it won't make H2?14:15
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rkukuraI think so14:16
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rkukuraend of day today14:16
mesteryOK, it's likely then this and VXLAN will land early in H3.14:16
rkukuraseems we could get gre in today14:16
matrohonok, i will propose something before the end of the day14:17
mesterymatrohon: thanks!14:17
mesteryAnything else on ML2 GRE?14:17
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mestery#link ML2 VXLAN14:17
amotoki__mestery: from yesterday neutron: mark said "All blueprints for H2 need to be proposed by Thursday,"14:18
mesteryI addressed all remaining comments with the review I pushed out this morning.14:18
mesteryamotoki__: Thanks!14:18
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mesterySo I'm hopeful to get some +1s on the ML2 VXLAN review today.14:18
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mesteryHowever, ML2 VXLAN is dependent on ML2 GRE to upstream, so I need GRE to go up first.14:19
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mesteryAny ML2 VXLAN questions?14:19
rkukuralooks like multicast address is move to conf now, right?14:19
matrohonmestery : do you keep multicast group in base?14:20
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mesteryIt's in the VXLANAllocation, if that's what you mean.14:20
matrohoni'm not against this but i though that we decided to leave it only in the conf file14:20
mesterymatrohon: I think I missed that. I can spin a new version with that change, though.14:21
rkukurathat was my understanding as well14:21
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mesteryOK, I will respin after the meeting with this change.14:21
matrohonmestery : if we don't mind, thanks14:21
mesterymatrohon: No worries, it's a simple change, thanks for reminding me!14:22
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mestery#action mestery to respin the ML2 VXLAN review with muilticast group configuration via config file14:22
mesteryAnything else on ML2 VXLAN before we move on?14:23
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mestery#topic ML2 Related Bugs and Blueprints14:23
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mestery#link tunnel_types review14:24
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mesteryI hope to push a new version of this patch out later today14:24
mesteryHit some issues doing some testing with devstack (not related to my change) yesterday14:24
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mesteryBut I believe the version I will push goes the full way and will address gongysh's concerns.14:24
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mesteryWould be great to see if this can make H2 today! rkukura, any chance you can review this later today?14:25
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rkukuraI will14:25
mesteryThe incremental change is minimal14:25
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mesteryrkukura: Thanks!14:25
mesteryOK, moving on14:26
mestery#link Campus Networks14:26
mesteryIs Filipe here?14:26
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mesteryfmanco: Hey!14:26
mesteryNot sure if people have looked at fmanco's blueprint, but there is some overlap with ML2, and some ideas on extending ML2 as well.14:26
fmancomestery: thanks for bringing this14:27
mesteryI think this makes sense for the ML2 team to review and provide feedback to fmanco. What do people think?14:27
rkukurahad not seen it, but will definitely need to read it14:28
fmancoFrom my point of view I think I will have to extend the MechanismDriver14:28
mesteryrkukura: Thanks! I encourage other ML2 team members to review as well.14:28
mesteryfmanco: I think so too. My only concern is if this is something we can do in H3 or not.14:28
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mesteryI think once rkukura and I have reviewed in detail we can provide more guidance.14:29
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fmancomestery: I'm not sure14:29
sukhdevI had not seen it either - I will look at it - sounds intersting14:29
fmancoIf I can divide it somehow I think maybe it can hit H314:29
fmancobut not all the blueprint almost for sure14:29
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mesteryfmanco: That's a good plan, can you see how you might do that and propose that in your blueprint?14:29
fmancomestery: sure14:30
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mestery#action fmanco Split out the campus network blueprint into something which can maybe make H314:30
rkukurasounds like a good Icehouse summit topic to me!14:31
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mesteryOK, moving on.14:31
mestery#link L2 Population blueprint14:31
mesteryIs Francois here?14:31
mesteryWait: I see this is now assigned to matrohon14:32
mesterymatrohon: Are you doing the L2 population work now?14:32
matrohonit's not begin yet14:32
mesterymatrohon: OK14:32
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matrohonwe still targeting it for H314:32
mestery#info L2 Population Blueprint now targeted for H314:33
matrohonbut I have to take care about multi-tunnel support bug first14:33
mesteryYou mean bug 119696314:33
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1196963 in neutron "Update the OVS agent code to program tunnels using ports instead of tunnel IDs" [Wishlist,Triaged]
mesteryOK, cool!14:34
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mesteryCan you target that one to H3? I see markmcclain moved it to wishlist and no milestone.14:34
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mestery#action matrohon to target 1196963 to H314:34
mesteryOK, any other bugs or blueprints the ML2 team should be tracking?14:35
rcurrani take it you're purposefully leaving off the arista/cisco mech drivers for now14:35
rkukurais event-based polling still important?14:35
mesteryrcurran: Yes, we'll talk about those in the next section14:36
mesteryrkukura: Is that an opened bug or blueprint?14:36
mesteryOR something that we may want to implement in ML2?14:36
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1177973 in neutron "OVS L2 agent polling is too cpu intensive (dup-of: 1194438)" [Medium,In progress]14:36
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1194438 in neutron/grizzly "compute node's OVS agent takes long time to scan sync all port's stat and update port security rules" [High,In progress]14:36
mesteryrkukura: I missed that one, it is being tracked on the ML2 meeting page.14:37
rkukuraA separate improvement in polling went in, but event-based may still be worth doing14:37
mesteryrkukura: That particular bug is unassigned now.14:37
sukhdevmestery: Arista driver is pretty much ready - just waiting on portbinding to make through, and test it14:37
rkukuralooks like it was marked as a duplicate14:38
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mesteryrkukura: I see that now14:38
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rkukuraLets think about whether event-based is still worth doing14:39
mesteryrkukura: Seems like a large change, do we have someone with cycles to fully implement and test this out?14:39
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rkukuranot sure, but long term is probably worthwhile14:40
rkukuraI'll talk to maru who originally filed it14:40
mesteryrkukura: Thanks!14:40
mestery#action rkukura To discuss event-based polling bug with maru.14:40
mesteryOK lets move on now.14:41
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mestery#topic Ported Mechanism Drivers14:41
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mesterysukhdev: Arista driver updates?14:41
sukhdevmestry: it is on track - as soon portbinding support makes it in, I am ready to go with this14:42
mesterysukhdev: Great!14:42
mesteryrcurran: Cisco driver updates?14:42
sukhdevOther than create_port (which needs binding info) all is a go14:42
rcurranneed to change how we access the external device info (existing cisco subplugin bug)14:42
rcurranneed to add UTs14:42
rcurranbut overall progress is fine14:43
mesteryrcurran: Are you also dependent on portbinding?14:43
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rkukuraOK, this is my highest priority for the rest of this week14:43
sukhdevrkukura: thanks14:44
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mesteryWith respect to the OpenDaylight driver, we were waiting for OVSDB support on the OpenDaylight side, and someone has stepped up to implement that work there.14:45
mesterySo I'm still hopeful we can get an ODL MechanismDriver done for H3.14:45
mesteryIs Like Gorrie here for an update on the Tail-f NCS MechanismDriver?14:45
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mestery#topic Question?14:47
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mesteryOK, anything else we need to discuss today?14:47
rkukuraIs anyone else seeing unit test failures with ml2 on trunk:14:47
rkukuraFAIL: neutron.tests.unit.ml2.test_agent_scheduler.Ml2AgentSchedulerTestCase.test_network_add_to_dhcp_agent14:47
mesteryrkukura: I just ran them all (including GRE and VXLAN) and they all worked fine for me.14:47
mesteryThis was with Fedora19.14:47
mesteryrkukura: Have you tried blowing away your .tox directory and letting it recreate?14:48
mesteryThat has helped me before (though I don't know why).14:48
rkukurayes, many times14:48
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mesteryrkukura: I'll reverify after the meeting and ping you on IRC with my results.14:49
rkukuramestery: thanks - this is really baffling me14:49
mesteryOK, lets see if we can get the MechanismDriver review merged today if we can!14:49
mesteryAnd as a stretch goal, the GRE and VXLAN TypeDrivers as well.14:50
mesteryThanks for everyone's hard work on ML2 items!14:50
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mesteryThanks everyone!14:50
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johnthetubaguyHello, who is around for the XenAPI meeting?15:02
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matelI am here15:04
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johnthetubaguycool, any more people around?15:05
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matelOkay, so I have a question.15:06
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BobBallsorry - I thought I was in here!15:06
matelDoes RS has pygrub installed in domU/15:06
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johnthetubaguymatel: oh, good question, don't think so, let me check15:07
johnthetubaguyanyone got stuff to raise today?15:07
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BobBallnot from me that I can think of15:07
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BobBallalthough my brain is in so many different places who knows if I'll remember something15:08
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matelI have another question about what images are used for testing within RS15:08
matelAnd if RS support 3 part images at all15:09
johnthetubaguymatel: just our usual image we use in production, no three part images15:09
johnthetubaguymatel: all vhds in the usual way15:09
matelOkay, I had a discussion around a tempest test.15:09
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matelI was using a vhd, and it behaves in a different way compared to the 3 part ones.15:10
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matelIf anyone is interested: #link
matelIt's not a biggie, and I am about to commit the change.15:11
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johnthetubaguymatel: what happens differently?15:11
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matelcreate an image from an instance15:12
matelminDisk parameter15:12
matelthe review page contains all the info.15:12
johnthetubaguynot sure I get it15:13
johnthetubaguywhat is minDisk trying to say?15:13
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matelI guess a minDisk in an image whould indicate the minimum required disk.15:13
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johnthetubaguyright, that makes sense15:14
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johnthetubaguyso I think our behavior makes sense, trying to understand the other case15:14
matelYeah, that is strange.15:14
matelI think afazekas said that it should be the behavior as well.15:15
johnthetubaguyhmm, odd one15:15
johnthetubaguyany more for any more?15:15
matelI just have a comment, that I looked to the volume related stuff today, and we would definitely need to clean up that part.15:16
johnthetubaguyin tempest?15:17
matelIn nova15:17
johnthetubaguywhats up with it, looking at the volume driver stuff again?15:17
johnthetubaguyyeah, lots of tidying required in there15:17
johnthetubaguywhats the state of that blueprint?15:17
johnthetubaguydo we think its more important than the other ones we have for h-3?15:18
matelTrying to catch up what's needed, but did not do too much with it this week.15:18
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BobBallI guess the problem we have with the h-3 blueprints is that other priorities are overtaking it15:19
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johnthetubaguysure, we just need to keep that up to date15:20
johnthetubaguywhat is so low priority about what is in those bps15:20
matelI think we could look at the bps on Monday, and update their status, Bob, what do you think?15:20
johnthetubaguyor should we raise new ones for the work you are doing now15:20
johnthetubaguyjust good to be clear on our plans for H15:20
BobBallwe'll updapte on Monday15:21
johnthetubaguyH-3 is going to be super full of stuff, so we might be thanked for dropping a few bits, particular if it anit making it in15:21
johnthetubaguy#action BobBall to update blueprint around Citrix efforts15:21
BobBallmuch of the work we're doing isn't a BP type thing - e.g. making our integration using supported interfaces15:21
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johnthetubaguywell, that is a blueprint really, but hey15:21
BobBallit is?15:22
johnthetubaguyor could be I guess15:22
BobBallwell we can add that for sure!15:22
johnthetubaguyjust need to add the sub steps correctly, and you might want it in several bps, if it will go over several sprints15:22
johnthetubaguysadly there is no epic or group of blueprints, just make the end goal the last bp in the set of dependencies15:23
johnthetubaguymatel: how to I check for pygrub again?15:23
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mateljohn, I don't really understand your q15:23
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johnthetubaguywell, I am on a nova-compute, checking for pygrup15:24
matelI was looking at that bug, and discovered, that the same pygrub logic is used if you're booting a raw volume.15:24
matelSo I don't want to screw up RS functionality, so that's why I ended up asking you if you guys have pygrub in domU15:25
matelI know that we agreed to remove that logic, and I would love to do that, although I think an extra check should not be a pain.15:25
johnthetubaguymatel: we don't boot from a volume today15:25
johnthetubaguymatel: it only uses that with nfs though, right?15:25
mateljohn: Do you boot raw volumes?15:25
johnthetubaguymatel, we don't boot from any volumes15:26
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matelIt has noting to do with nfs15:26
johnthetubaguywhat do you mean by raw volumes?15:26
matelsorry, I meant raw images15:26
johnthetubaguyoh, we don't have raw images either15:26
matelOkay, so you only have vhd.15:26
johnthetubaguyyep, ^15:26
johnthetubaguyall vhd, no three part15:27
johnthetubaguyall ovf15:27
mateltgz -ed vhd15:27
johnthetubaguytrailling some ISO booting, but thats separate15:27
johnthetubaguymatel: yep15:27
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johnthetubaguywhen do we use pygrub with raw images then?15:28
johnthetubaguysurely its only when there is no os_type stated?15:28
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johnthetubaguymatel ^15:29
matelyes, I guess, I am digging the code.15:29
johnthetubaguythere is nothing much special about raw image15:29
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johnthetubaguywe just stream into a VHD, then keep going down the same path as VHD15:30
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BobBallAm I still here?15:31
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johnthetubaguymatel: can confirm we don't have pygrub on nova-compute15:31
johnthetubaguyBobBall: yes15:31
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johnthetubaguyany more questions?15:31
BobBallI thought so15:32
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BobBallSorry - a bit of a rubbish one from me today15:32
matelYou see john, raw is using the same pygrub approach.15:32
johnthetubaguymatel: gotya15:33
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johnthetubaguymatel: but only once its not marked on the image15:33
johnthetubaguyooh, maybe not...15:33
matelI'm gonna remove that intel.15:33
johnthetubaguyyeah, I am +1 on that15:33
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matelOkay, let the code speak, I will add you to the reviewers.15:34
matelI am done.15:34
johnthetubaguyyep, sounds best15:34
johnthetubaguyany more?15:34
johnthetubaguyjust the one action for bob to update blueprint15:34
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johnthetubaguyI am mostly tracing down a few gremlins and race conditions we are seeing, but thats about all15:35
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avishaymed_: no meeting today, so not late :)16:03
med_thanks avishay16:03
avishayno prob16:04
jungleboyjavishay: Ah, good to know.  Was wondering.  Should have known, I am finally around to join and they don't have one.  :-)16:04
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med_ah, bug squash day!16:05
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hartsocks#startmeeting VMwareAPI17:00
openstackMeeting started Wed Jul 10 17:00:31 2013 UTC.  The chair is hartsocks. Information about MeetBot at
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'vmwareapi'17:00
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hartsocksGreetings! Who is around to talk OpenStack + VMwareAPI?17:00
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hartsocksOkay, I got a few notes from folks saying they would be late or miss the meeting this time around. The rule of the week is reviews, reviews, reviews.17:03
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hartsocksIf there's seriously nobody around to discuss I'll just head over and conduct some reviews myself.17:04
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hartsocksFor the record then...17:06
hartsocks#topic blueprints17:06
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hartsocks#link needs reviews17:07
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hartsocksmoved to havana-317:07
danwentsorry i'm late :)17:07
hartsocksjust you and I in here right now.17:08
hartsocksI was going to leave some links/status updates for the record then move to reviews17:08
hartsocksis work in progress, moved to havana-317:09
danwentgaryk seems to be here17:09
hartsocks@garyk yt?17:09
danwentbut not sure where HP + Canonical are17:09
danwentmmm… may be afk17:09
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hartsocksHP's rep and Canonical's rep sent me a PM that they weren't going to make tonight's meeting.17:10
hartsocksThe big update would be we only have one BP trying to make H2 now.17:10
hartsocksNever mind… looks like he updated it this morning...17:11
hartsocksIs set to Havana-3 now.17:11
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hartsocksThis is up for review again.17:12
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hartsocksThat leaves us with only bugs for the H-2 milestone17:12
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hartsocks#topic bugs17:13
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hartsocksMore for the record than anything else...17:13
hartsocksI see 13 open bugs.17:13
hartsocks5 bugs set for H2 deadline17:13
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hartsocksmiss counted ....17:14
hartsocks4 bugs17:14
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1180897 in nova "nova boot fails to attach vmdk in multi-host environments" [High,In progress]17:14
hartsocksThis is related to non-DRS clusters. Perhaps we should drop it to "Low/Medium" priority and move it away from a milestone?17:15
sabari_Even with drs clusters, does this issue happen with multiple datacenters ?17:16
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hartsocksI'll put a note to follow up on multiple datacenters.17:17
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sabari_Sure, if so it can still hold its priority is what I think17:17
hartsocksI'll spend some time with this bug today since it's assigned to me.17:18
hartsocksHere's another bug:17:18
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1190515 in nova "disconnected ESXi Hosts cause VMWare driver failure" [High,In progress]17:18
hartsocks@sabari_ I think that's yours right?17:19
sabari_I need to address some review comments and send out a new patchset17:19
sabari_Apart from that the fix is all set17:19
hartsocksOkay. You might hit H2 then?17:19
sabari_I hope so. If I get enough reviews.17:20
hartsocksI'm going to spend most of the rest of my development time this week on reviews.17:20
hartsocksThe word of the day is...17:21
hartsocksreviews, reviews, reviews!17:21
hartsocks3rd open bug fro H2:17:21
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uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1189585 in nova "VNC default password for vmwareapi is bad" [Low,In progress]17:22
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hartsocksI think we decided this was not a bug after all right?17:22
hartsocksThe resolution was that it wasn't ESXi that didn't allow blank passwords, but the VNC client. So this shouldn't be changed.17:22
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hartsocksI'll leave a note on that bug asking about that.17:23
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sabari_For bug , my comment was not valid. I was looking at
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1180897 in nova "nova boot fails to attach vmdk in multi-host environments without DRS properly enabled" [Medium,In progress]17:24
sabari_Sorry about that17:24
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hartsocksJust make a note in after the comment made in error, then comment in the right place.17:25
hartsocksI think that's all you can do.17:25
hartsocksThere's no editing comments.17:25
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hartsocksIs Tracy around?17:26
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1180471 in nova "vmware: vmdk fail to attach to new VMs when using "thin" vmdk" [High,In progress]17:26
hartsocksThat's the last thing slated for Havana-2.17:27
hartsocks(at least that I see)17:27
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hartsocksIIRC: there's progress being made. My only query was whether it will make Havana-2 or if it should be moved to Havana-3.17:27
hartsocksSo we've covered blueprints, all of them are now set to Havana-3 after all.17:28
hartsocksWe've covered the 4 bugs that are open and set for Havana-217:28
hartsocks#topic open discussion17:29
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hartsocksAnything else to discuss?17:29
hartsocksAny pet reviews?17:29
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garykhi guys. sorry i am late17:31
hartsocks@garyk thanks for joining. It's late there.17:32
hartsocksWe're in open discussion right now.17:32
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garykok. is there anything special that we should focus on that i missed?17:33
hartsocksI have 12 open reviews that I need to get to by Friday.17:33
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hartsocksI see @garyk at the bottom of the list :-)17:33
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hartsocks@garyk this your review?17:34
garykhartsocks: :). i'll take a look at the reviews later and tomorrow. i have a working setup with devstack (nice instructions). this helps validate them17:34
hartsocks@garyk I like hearing that my instructions work.17:35
hartsocks@garyk I added a troubleshooting section on networking. I have not had to use this extra config in my own setup but I understand if you are behind certain types of firewalls you need to follow extra networking config.17:35
hartsocksJust FYI.17:36
hartsocksAny other topics to discuss? Any other follow up items?17:36
garykok. thanks. i'll check it out.17:36
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hartsocksAlso, if you think I should look at something, or track something…
hartsocksadd me as a reviewer. Use my username, not email.17:38
hartsocksOkay, so the word for the next couple weeks is reviews, reviews, reviews!17:38
hartsocksI'll go ahead and sign us off.17:39
danwentslow week :)17:39
hartsocksRemember: #openstack-vmware is always open for discussion.17:39
hartsocks@danwent reminds me of week #1 :-)17:39
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garyknati_ueno: ping18:32
nati_uenogaryk: hi!18:32
nati_uenogaryk: what's meeting going on?18:32
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notmynamemeeting time for swift19:03
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notmynamejust saw the time19:03
notmynameanyone here?19:03
notmyname#startmeeting swift19:04
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'swift'19:04
* portante finally sees that as raising a hand19:04
portantegiven that only three of us are here, we can prolly keep this short19:04
notmynamethe only agenda item that I know of is portante and/or zaitcev talking about diskfile refactors19:04
portantedo we all agree that it should be done?19:05
notmynamewell, you may have seen a little blog post :-)19:05
portanteI have heard about it19:05
notmyname#topic diskfile refactors19:05
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notmynameportante: yes, I think diskfile refactors are good19:05
portantegreat, any other topcs?19:05
zaitcevwell, there's DB broker too19:06
notmynameportante: I have a questions19:06
portanteah, so there are other people lurking19:06
notmynameportante: how will a deployer be able to select a disk file implementation?19:06
portanteany other lurkers out there?19:06
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notmynameas in, your glusters stuff monkey patches swift, but IMO that's not great19:07
torgomaticI don't know how a lurker would answer that question truthfully19:07
portanteright now we use the configuration file to just pick the python class of the outer layer19:07
notmynametorgomatic: FWIW, I'm "not my name"19:07
notmynameportante: as in a use=egg#... line?19:07
torgomaticthe object server has a _diskfile() method that is now the one spot responsible for instantiation of a DiskFile object19:07
zaitcevSo, it's not exactly what's commonly understood as "monkey patching", when code changes global semantics of classes or functions by assigning to htem. I think.19:08
portantethe outer class is just a subclass of the servesr that invokes a different diskfile object19:08
notmynamedid I miss a patch that is doing that in swift right now?19:08
torgomaticso if you wanted to cram something in there, that'd be a good spot maybe19:08
portantetorgomatic: take a look at the refactoring work, though19:08
torgomaticportante: I reviewed the first patch in the series19:09
zaitcevI wanted to get away from overloading _diskfile(), _get_account_broker(), and _get_container_broker(). But honestly I do not have a whole lot of reasoning, I just hate when API implementors (even in-tree ones) do stuff like that19:09
portantedon't you read the last page of the book before the rest? ;)19:09
zaitcevYeah, like *rawr*19:09
notmynamezaitcev: it's funny to me reading that in your russian accent ;-)19:10
torgomaticcould make swift.obj.server.ObjectController() take an optional diskfile_class arg that defaults to the obvious thing19:10
portantesee the refactoring work. :)19:10
portantehint hint19:10
zaitcevActually that's in 30051 already, it's called disk_klass or something19:10
zaitcevWith German accent.19:11
portantethe parameter to the controller, I think so19:11
portantei'm itialian, though19:11
portantemaybe I should have called is disk_pizza19:11
torgomaticwe should call it disc_klass just to be sure nobody can ever type it19:11
zaitcevOh god19:12
portanteseriously, though19:12
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zaitcevSeriously though, the biggest problem is, are we in time for Havana19:12
notmynameportante: do you have specific topics or questions you want to raise in here today? beyond "do we want it?"19:12
claygI added klass to daemon onetime and always regretted it, pep8 acctually says to use a trialing _ to avoid keyword naming conflicts19:12
torgomaticanyhow, it sounds like the existing refactors could use some more reviewers, especially since they're chained together19:12
claygi.e. hash_ and class_19:12
portanteI would like to drum up support to get some review eyes on it19:12
notmynameclayg: assert_19:12
portantenotmyname: ^^^19:13
notmynameportante: I've been busy writing blog posts about erasure codes :-)19:13
claygportante: I'll look at it!19:13
claygdon't know if you consider that a good thing :\19:13
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portanteclayg: I do, thanks!19:13
claygoh phew, finally got to the first one :\19:14
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zaitcevThat was rather vague post, I saw it. It said "we have proposals on the table" but did not link to blessed proposals. Man, they even publish contestants of government tenders for secret misslies.19:14
portantethere is one wart in it that I would love to have some mind share on, that is with the new DiskReader class19:14
portantethe current code passes all the unit tests, but I have not run it against the functional tess19:15
zaitcevtell meee19:15
claygportante: we have a DiskWriter now right?  what's one more?19:15
portantethe submits leading up to the last one were done to address the API changes that affect existing code, hiding interfaces to make it easier to identify the nature of an on-disk implementation19:16
zaitcevSo, Peter, what's the wart?19:16
portantethe DiskReader and DiskWriter classes are helper classes that allow an implementation to change how reads and writes are performed with the caller using a simple interface to get them19:16
claygportante: I'm not sure how that last comment was directed at - everyone here agree's it's a good idea asfaik - I acctually think you've made a lot of good progress already; it's not surprising you have to rattle the cage in the last mile19:17
portantethe DiskReader object inherits the open file from the DiskFile class, to avoid having to open it again19:18
portantebut the handoff point as to who closes that file is tricky19:18
portantea with context is used to hide the caller having to know when it should close it, but the app_iter object still needs it open long after PUT API code starts the wsgi response19:19
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portanteif folks are open to it, I would not mind doing a guided walk through on hangouts or something19:19
cschwede@portante: +119:20
claygportante: k, i'll need to familiarize myself then; i sorta want to say if you have stuff like that leaking between classes and it looks weird; it's probably because they should be the same class?  Or everything under a module of some kind?  Like a single class that's passed to functions which can be swapped out via entrypoint...19:20
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notmynameportante: I think that's a good idea19:20
zaitcevI see.19:20
portanteclayg: yes, perhaps19:20
portantenotmyname: regarding the guided hangouts walk through?19:21
portantedo we have a swift email list that I should post a time request?19:21
claygnotmyname: can you action portante to schedule that - maybe on the ML19:21
notmynameno, there is just the openstack list19:22
portantewhich ML?19:22
portantek that is where I'll action it.19:22
claygportante: let's do it before the next meeting but maybe with some runway so I can read the code before-hand19:22
notmynameportante: I'd suggest choosing a time next week19:22
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zaitcevportante: I would move that open from DiskFile.reader() into DiskReader.__init__(). It's not like you're re-using the old _fp that init of DiskFile sets up19:22
portantehow wed next week?19:22
notmyname#action portante to chose a time for a guided walkthrough of the DiskFile refactors and progress19:22
notmynameportante: works for me19:23
zaitcevokay. At least portante has something to show. I need to catch up19:23
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claygportante: yeah same time next week wfm, but you should send something out for folks that aren't here19:23
notmynameportante: you're talking about a google hangout, right?19:23
portanteI'll do that onthe openstack mailing list19:23
portanteis that bad or good?19:23
notmynameportante: the openstack-dev list19:23
portantesorry, yes, openstack-dev19:24
notmynameportante: google hangouts are fine. maybe I can figure out how to use the openstack swift page I have there to officialize it or something19:24
portanteokay, that would be great19:24
claygsince david's not here I'll thorw out reviews for account-acl ->
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portanteI'll do more work in the mean time on documentation and take in early review feedbavck19:25
claygI think it's a great feature, david's worked really hard and my eyes are getting squnity19:25
notmyname#help requested on account-acl reviews
notmynameanything else to cover for now (5 minutes left)19:25
portanteI am available for questions any time19:26
portanteI would say that one of the other refactorings that we need to do19:26
portanteis to address redundant operations on the marshall and unmarshall paths19:26
portantefor the servers, we access dictionaries repeatedly for the same value many many times over19:27
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portantethat kind of work will like to making it easier to see where a DiskFile or DatabaseBroker interface layer can be clearly defined19:27
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portantemuch of the lead up work to the current refactoring has been analyzing that layer to make sure it does not spill over into the lower layers19:28
portanteor vice-versa19:28
portanteAlso, Pete Z is starting to work on the DatabaseBroker refactoring19:29
portantewill be joining him on that after DiskFile winds down19:29
portantenothing else from here19:29
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notmynameand I gotta run from this side.19:30
notmynameportante: zaitcev: thanks for you time and effort19:30
notmynamethanks everyone for your time today19:30
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chmouelcrap i have came to late :(19:31
claygchmouel: too late!19:32
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chmouelgoing back to get the kid to sleep then :)19:33
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stevebaker#startmeeting heat20:00
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stevebaker#topic rollcall20:00
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stevebakershardy, jpeeler on pto20:01
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stevebaker#topic review last weeks actions20:02
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stevebakershardy to organize docs sprint during h320:02
stevebakerhe not here20:02
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stevebaker kebray to put on RS backlog testing of RS Database Resource against generic Trove, and consider rename/refactoring of provider to use Trove for naming.20:02
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kebraystevebaker  Work has begun on that backlog item.20:03
kebraySo, WIP.20:03
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stevebaker...and finally, SpamapS to reply to m4dcoder's ML question20:03
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stevebaker#topic h2 bug/blueprint defer or deploy decisions20:05
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stevebakerwe have 4 blueprints in-flight20:05
m4dcoderyes, thank you SpamapS for replying.  but the as-update-policy spec points to the AWS description.  so not sure what the spec for heat should be.20:06
therve1 week to go20:06
stevebakerEOD Tuesday is when milestone-proposed will be branched20:06
SpamapSm4dcoder: we can discuss later in the meeting :)20:06
therveLooks tight for 2 of them20:06
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stevebakerSpamapS blueprint native-in-instance-tools is odd, by some definitions it is done?20:07
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stevebakerby others it is not associated with the heat release at all20:07
SpamapSstevebaker: 66%.. no cfn-signal replacement yet20:08
stevebakerok, i'll defer20:08
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kebrayrandallburt mentioned in a huddle that he would probably have his BP code complete, but not sure that it will have had time to be reviewed by community and merge accepted by Tuesday.20:08
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SpamapSstevebaker: it isn't really tied ot the release anyway, and there's the issue of native API calls as well. :)20:08
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randallburtkebray:  I got no worries. the bulk of the work has been done by asalkeld.20:08
therveThe review queue filled up pretty quickly :/20:08
SpamapSstevebaker: what I have still uses cfn20:08
kebrayrandallburt excellent!20:09
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randallburtI have one more review to submit and that should be done today/first thing tomorrow.20:09
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stevebakerif you think it has a chance getting in, then leave it in h-2 for now20:09
stevebakersdake: how about gzip-userdata?20:09
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sdake_ppl complaining about feature20:11
sdake_gold plating test case atm ;)20:11
asalkeldit's on review20:11
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sdake_some folks think there is no value in compressing userdata20:12
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stevebakerok, can we all keep on top of reviews related to any bug, and those blueprints?20:12
sdake_from a technical perspective, the test cases are a bit painful because is not a class so that needs to be sorted out20:12
zanebsounds like a good feature to me, why wouldn't you want to compress it?20:12
SpamapS"why would you?"20:13
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sdake_zaneb I think there is some confusion that that blueprint leads to a different blueprint of loading the instance tools into the metadata20:13
sdake_even though they are orthogonal imo20:13
sdake_we compress, we can handle more complex blobs20:14
SpamapSThe answers to "why would you?" are valid.. though I'm still dubious at the approach.. userdata is "provide enough to get the instance working" not "upload tools"20:14
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sdake_that is a separate blueprint spamaps20:14
sdake_not part of this blueprint20:14
asalkeldsdake_ maybe remove that from the commit message20:15
randallburtI admit to that assumption as well. I don't have issue on the face of it, its just low-return val imo based on how much compression we get vs. real-world injection limits20:15
sdake_when it is submitted for review folks can complain on that review :)20:15
SpamapSRight but the extra complexity of compression demands a reason.20:15
sdake_asalkeld yes i already have in my local repo ;)20:15
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sdake_the reason is simple - we can handle 10x as much metadata with compression as without20:15
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stevebakerseems useful20:16
SpamapSsdake_: with a really big door on my house, I can handle 10x more elephants than I can right now.. but.. what are the elephants for?20:16
sdake_are they pink? :)20:17
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sdake_atm some of our larger templates are coming close to bumping against the userdata limits20:17
zanebI can easily imagine wanting to pass e.g. a whole puppet manifest20:17
SpamapSMy point is, if it simplifies something, +2. If it complicates in support of something else that is also complicating.. -1.20:17
zaneband 16k is a really small limit20:17
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stevebakershall we move this discussion to the review?20:17
SpamapSsdake_: why would template size increase userdata size?20:17
zanebyah, sorry, my bad for dragging this off topic ;)20:18
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SpamapSHow is it off topic?20:18
SpamapSh2 blueprints is the topic.. :p20:18
zaneb"h2 bug/blueprint defer or deploy decisions"20:18
SpamapSand we gather here to have more bandwidth to discuss issues.. :)20:18
asalkeldwell we could just bump to h320:18
asalkeldand think about it a bit more20:19
asalkeldwe have the code20:19
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asalkeldit's ready to go20:19
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sdake_its blocking native nova instance20:19
asalkeldnot really20:20
sdake_i dont want to think about it more20:20
stevebakeris it?20:20
SpamapSblocking native nova?20:20
sdake_thenative nova blueprint20:20
sdake_its all tied up in the same code base20:20
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SpamapSclearly there is more going on here than I have context for. Lets indeed take this up outside the meeting. :)20:21
sdake_sounds good :)20:21
stevebaker#topic h3 blueprint milestone and priority20:21
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stevebaker26 blueprints! holymoly!20:21
asalkeldwell the ceilometer one is nearly done20:22
stevebakerso there has been a change in how blueprints are scheduled and prioritised20:22
SpamapSYeah I think the "abstract away aws" one can drop off H3. I know I am not going to get to that.20:22
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stevebakerFrom now on we can ignore the Series goal, a script handles that20:22
sdake_SpamapS I think I may pick that one up20:23
SpamapSsdake_: sweet!20:23
stevebakerThe author/assignee should choose a Milestone target that they think can be achieved20:23
stevebakerso y'all and all-y'all should do that for your assigned blueprints20:23
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asalkeldstevebaker, moved to texas?20:24
SpamapSAlso is, IMO, a lot higher priority than "Low" .. as without it any stack creation or update that has any hiccups becomes a dead stack. :-/20:24
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1160052 in heat "Need a way to retry creation" [Low,Triaged]20:24
SpamapSI do intend to work on it and get something ready for H320:24
zaneby'all *and* all-y'all?20:24
stevebakerand finally, heat-core need to decide how much they want each blueprint by setting the priority20:24
stevebakerzaneb: and youse20:24
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sdake_we have some unowned blueprints20:26
stevebakerSpamapS: I guess any core member can set any priority they think appropriate20:26
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kebraySpamapS: Abstract away AWS namespaces out of heat is important to me… quite possible I might be able to put someone on that for H3.20:26
therveI can take the instance resize one20:27
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sdake_kebray i've assingned it to myself so point them at me - can work together on that20:27
stevebakeractually when broken down by assignee, we could get a decent amount of those done20:27
kebraysdake_  no worries.. and, if you crank it out, all the better ;-)20:28
SpamapSkebray: sweet20:28
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randallburtwasn't shardy already working on snapshotting?20:28
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asalkeld(mostly done by the looks of it)20:28
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randallburtthought so, that was another unassigned one20:28
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asalkeldwe don't have documentation as a bp20:30
asalkeldI guess we will just have to squeeze that in20:30
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stevebaker#action asalkeld, stevebaker to raise some documentation blueprints20:30
randallburtkebray, asalkeld: we also want to pitch in with if you need/want it.20:31
SpamapSrandallburt: how is open-api-dsl doing?20:31
asalkeldok cool20:31
SpamapSoh yes multiple-engines is Critical20:31
randallburtSpamapS:  my nefarious plan is to declare victory with the progress we make by h3.20:31
stevebakeranything else h-3 before we move to open discussion?20:32
SpamapSrandallburt: you fiend20:32
randallburtIMO, we've lain the groundwork and are at a good place for progress. I'd like to move forward by taking a page from zaneb's book and propose very specific changes moving forward20:32
sdake_randallburt would like to see an autoscaling example out of that work20:32
sdake_it is missing from the example review20:33
sdake_imo seems critical to see how that fits in20:33
randallburtsdake_:  roger that. though IMO, its a resource like any other.20:33
zanebI should write a book20:33
sdake_writing a book is overrated20:33
stevebaker#topic Open discussion20:33
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SpamapSm4dcoder: you wanted to talk about UpdatePolicy ?20:34
stevebakerso I've got some local tempest tests which will have to pass before h-2 can go out the door, including an autoscaling one
m4dcoderwhat's as-update-policy h3 priority for folks here?20:34
m4dcoderspecs and ML reply is not clear what i should implement for it20:35
SpamapSm4dcoder: I don't really care about AWS compatibility. I do intend to implement rolling updates, though slightly different than AWS's and slightly different than the spec I originally wrote.20:35
m4dcoderif you can clarify that, i can help with the implementation.20:36
kebrayOpen discussion topic:  Heat mission statement. The wiki seems outdated, and it seems we need one for the TC.20:36
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SpamapSI'd like to be able to have stack updates move forward using a waitcondition as feedback for whether to wait/go forward/rollback.20:36
stevebakerkebray: +120:36
SpamapSm4dcoder: I will fix up the spec.20:36
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kebrayTC request:
m4dcoderSpamapS: thanks!  should we put focus on it for h3?  if not, i can work on other higher priority bp/bugs.20:37
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stevebaker#action heat-core to write a mission statement20:37
SpamapSm4dcoder: rolling-updates is targetted at h320:37
zanebWorld Domination20:38
asalkeldkebray, we just need to clean the aws out20:38
stevebakerdo all the things20:38
mroddenviagra for your private cloud20:38
randallburttalk about scope creep20:38
mrodden(heat makes it rise right...)20:38
m4dcoderSpamapS: got it. if you can just put some outlines around your thoughts, i can pitch in.20:39
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SpamapSm4dcoder: yeah, there's a spec attached to that bp, but it is way out of date.20:39
asalkeldstevebaker, maybe you can take an action to send that email out20:39
stevebakerok, I'll write a straw-mission to start20:40
stevebaker#action stevebaker to start mission discussion on list20:40
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therveI was wondering about the neutron renaming20:41
therveHow are we going to handle that?20:41
m4dcoderSpamapS: you mean  should we collapse the as-update-policy bp with the rolling updates bp into one?20:41
sdaketherve there is already a review up for it20:41
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therveOh I missed it20:41
sdakei believe it is blocked on the client not being done yet20:41
SpamapSm4dcoder: They are different things, but I think one should probably follow the other20:41
kebrayasalkeld: I can explain Heat's capabilities, I can also explain the why use Heat vs. talk direct to the infrastructure.  Once I get past all that, ppl get stuck on what capabilities will go in Heat vs. capabilities they need to build on top of Heat.  That's where mission statement will really help bring some clarity me thinks.20:42
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stevebakeri think there is a desire that we do the neutron rename before h-220:42
therveAh yeah it's not verified, I filtered it out20:42
sdakethe patch looked correct - got my +2 - just depends on that update to the client20:43
therveThe current patch seems to be seriously backward incompatible20:43
asalkeldisn't renaming a project backwards incompatible?20:44
stevebakercan we register the quantum plugins as both ::Quantum and ::Neutron for now? breaking all the templates seems bad20:44
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asalkeld+1 stevebaker20:44
m4dcoderSpamapS: i guess my original confusion was with the spec under the as-update-policy since i signed up for it.  so i'll review the rolling-updates bp and figure what to do.20:44
zaneb+1 for backwards compatibility20:44
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sdakeprobably worth commenting on the review then if you feel we need backwards compat ;)20:45
thervestevebaker, Yeah that sounds like a good step20:45
zanebjust register them all twice with different names20:45
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thervesdake, This was mentioned20:45
sdakeoh, haven't seen the review lately20:45
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sdakebeen on vac ation :)_20:45
stevebakerhey, I need to go, shall we endmeeting?20:45
bgorskiI have a question about Heat support for multi region. I am working on it and I will write a blueprint about it in near future. Anybody is working on or thinking about it also?20:45
SpamapSm4dcoder: yeah, lets talk in a bit in #heat20:46
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m4dcoderSpamapS: ok20:46
asalkeldstevebaker, you can give us power then we can endmeeting20:46
sdake #chair20:46
SpamapSbgorski: I think the folks behind HOT have it as a long term goal to have Heat even be multi-cloud20:46
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stevebaker#chair asalkeld20:48
openstackCurrent chairs: asalkeld stevebaker20:48
randallburtSpamapS:  I'd say that's a fair statement20:48
stevebakersweet, later20:48
therveHaving a multi region blueprint would be a good start20:49
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asalkeldif anyone has any thoughts about this bp: feel free to comment20:49
asalkeldnot very urgent20:49
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asalkeldjust was having a think about it20:50
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randallburtasalkeld:  a couple of folks on my team would def be interested in that20:51
timductiveI would be interested in that20:51
kebrayasalkeld  I care about that one too.  doh, randallburt beat me.20:51
randallburtwe've kicked it around for Horizon stuff too20:51
kebrayTim's the man!20:51
asalkeldwell it needs heap of discussion20:51
zanebasalkeld: doesn't using Marconi preclude your goal of having the same logs available to different users in different languages?20:51
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asalkeldzane not really20:51
asalkeldas it is in a mechanical format20:52
asalkeldthat could be localized20:52
asalkeldit is just a message20:52
zanebtrue, but where would the translations come from?20:52
randallburtcan Marconi localize at request time?20:52
randallburtwouldn't we have to send i18n data along with every log message?20:52
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asalkeldI think you would need something on top of merconi20:53
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asalkeldheat stack-tail-messages20:53
asalkeldyea nutty20:55
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asalkeldso yea, I should really post a discussion on the ml20:55
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asalkeldI don't see nova doing this20:55
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asalkeldbut seems neat to see what is going on in your request20:56
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therveDebugging nova problems is not nice though20:56
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asalkeldand users don't seem to have access to rpc notifications20:57
zanebI'm a big fan of the idea20:57
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asalkeld3 mins20:57
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asalkeldanything else20:58
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asalkeldthanks everyone20:58
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stevebakerI'm back!21:01
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fifieldthi reed23:03
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reedmore than enough23:04
fifieldtthat meeting that cancelled our community meeting last week got rescheduled :s23:04
fifieldtsorry about that23:04
fifieldtanyone else here for weekly commuity meeting?23:04
fifieldtevgeny is online on skype23:05
fifieldtI didn't see him online while you were in the air unfortunately23:05
reedI talked to him before, I can report23:05
fifieldtshould we log this?23:05
reed#startmeeting openstack-community23:06
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'openstack_community'23:06
reed#topic Ask in Chinese23:06
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reedI talked to Evgeny and basically he's done with the implementation of haystack support and the lucene/solr search engine23:07
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reedthe UI translation in Chinese is 59% done23:07
fifieldtthe HK group has been testing too:
fifieldtthey talked about it on their ML23:07
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fifieldtthere was no immediate "this is crap" response, so I assume it is good :)23:07
reedwe've agreed that he's going to work on setting up the staging server with the askopenstack-theme23:08
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reedso we can complete come to agree on how to implement the language switch menu23:08
reedafter that we'll set a roadmap and deadlines to go in production23:09
reedI think that even if the GUI is not 100% translated we should still upgrade the server and get started23:09
fifieldtsure, yes23:09
reedthat will motivate more translations and contributions23:09
fifieldtI presume it's easy to update the translations once it's live?>23:09
fifieldti.e. no downtime required to do this?23:09
reedwe'll need to provide documentation for how to translate23:09
reedfifieldt, good question, I'll ask him23:10
fifieldtI18N can discuss this at their meeting today23:10
fifieldtI'll add it to the agenda23:10
reed#action reed to ask Evgeny about the uprade of translations in askbot: do they need downtime?23:10
fifieldt#action fifieldt to dicuss translation of ask at I18N meeting23:11
reedi'm still not sure this should be a task for openstack i18n23:11
fifieldtwhy not?23:11
reedI am not sure it's a priority  for them23:12
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fifieldtall the more reason to discuss and find out :)23:12
reedwhile they have the expertise, they have other priorities I believe23:12
fifieldtI18N is the group to discuss priorities for translation23:12
reedok, as long as they know we can ask other groups to help out23:12
reedi guess you're right, we can grow that group23:13
reedanything else for Ask in Chinese?23:13
fifieldtnot from me23:13
reed#topic Ask OpenStack23:14
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reedI wrote that guide to help moderators23:15
reedit probably should go somewhere on the ask site23:15
fifieldtyou want to make that linked from ask somewhere, I guess?23:16
fifieldtlinked from FAQ?23:16
fifieldtor content in FAQ/another page?23:16
reedI think the easiest fix is to add the link in the footer23:16
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reedI don't know if/how to create pages on Ask23:16
fifieldtmy feeling is it isn't easy23:16
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reed#action reed to find a way to add a link to wiki AskModerators from Ask.openstack.org23:17
reedfor the existing bugs, I've asked Evgeny to look into them and give comments. He's promised to do it tomorrow23:18
fifieldtfingers crossed23:18
reedother topics?23:18
fifieldtum - satellite events pre/post summit23:18
fifieldtI guess I just need to email the community ML as you said :)23:18
reed#topic satellite events pre/post HK summit23:18
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fifieldtso the idea is to get some events happening pre/post summit23:19
fifieldtaround asia, since we have awesome people in the area23:19
reedthe idea is to use the presence of many people in the APEC area for the summit and have events in the area before or after the summit23:19
fifieldtgot it23:19
reedyou typed faster :)23:19
fifieldtbut less eloquently23:20
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sarobhe dropped23:20
fifieldtthe idea is that, if the local UGs (or in the absence of a UG, perhaps we can arrange something) organise a meet we should work to try and facilitate people getting there23:20
fifieldtsarob, that's my cell phone  - which I'll have to switch to in ~10mins23:21
sarobright sorry :)23:21
reedwe need to act fast, get APEC groups to organise something23:21
fifieldtyes, you are totally right23:21
fifieldtfast action is needed23:21
reedpeople will need to finalize their tickets like... yesterday23:21
reedlike me :)23:21
sarobare we going to have overlapping events?23:21
fifieldtmmm, I need to do that too23:21
fifieldtI think that's another discussion sarob :)23:21
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fifieldtrelated to the remote participation emails on the ML23:22
fifieldtthese events are pre or post23:22
reedsarob, no, the idea is that, for example, since Jonathan will be in HK maybe after the summit he can fly to Shanghai and talk there on his way back23:22
sarobahh, right23:22
reedmaybe sarob can stop in Tokio on his way back :)23:22
fifieldtreed, my feeling is it might be easier to suggest people do return flights from HKG to the asian destination23:22
fifieldtrather than trying to change the long haul flight23:23
fifieldtit separates the trip purpose and might end up cheaper23:23
reedfifieldt, I have tricked air fares in the past ...23:23
reedan open jaw ticket is very expensive but changing the origin of the return flight is cheap23:24
fifieldthowever, what happens if Company X is paying for Employee to get to the summit, but Foundation is paying to get to this related event ? :)23:24
reedso you buy SFO - HK - SFO then after you do the first SFO - HK you change and do Shanghai to SFO for maybe $20023:24
fifieldtit becomes challenging to separate that23:25
reedfifieldt, indeed... are you sure you want to get in the middle of that though?23:25
fifieldtI'm not sure. I worry that high quality people will struggle with their companies to get to such events ...23:26
reedmanaging that sort of logistics is a huge effort23:26
fifieldtso, we get the local UGs to manage it23:27
fifieldtfor the speakers coming to their dest23:27
reedthat's what I would suggest to do...23:27
sarobthats how we do it now23:27
fifieldtyup, though keep in mind this doesn't work for: Malaysia, Phillipines, and a couple of others :)23:28
sarobgetting the word out as well23:28
reedunless you think we have the manpower to manage local events, too... while we setup the summit23:28
fifieldtthat was never the plan reed :)23:28
sarobmarketing would love to take that on ;)23:28
fifieldtI need to go - will be in the elevator for the next few minutes23:29
reedi'd say lets shoot the email to the list and see what response we get23:29
fifieldtaction me :D23:29
reed#action fifieldt to send an email to the community list to gauge the interest in the APEC communities to host pre/post summit events23:30
sarobme wants to speak on
reed#topic  How to Participate in the Foundation workflow23:31
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reedfloor is yours23:31
sarobso we talked about your focus on getting23:31
sarobthe user group org tools23:31
sarobcentralized and some goodness of automation going23:32
sarobthis is about the next step of creating a new user / new corporation23:32
sarobtool that would be an improved im new what do i do23:33
reedyep, I'm discussing the contract with the developers of the portal, hopefully will be able to report next week23:33
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sarobdo you think we could make this phase 2 or 323:33
reedsarob, phase 2 of the user group portal?23:34
fifieldt3latency on 4g is worse than 3g :)23:34
sarobi thinking it would feed new user into the user group portal23:34
sarobas new user hits the site23:34
sarobhe uses this tool23:34
reedsarob, if I understand correctly the blueprint is about a navigation path from to having a role in the community23:35
reedbe it a developer or a corporation as a sponsor or a user... etc23:35
sarobfrom a series of questions, like a list of checkoffs23:35
sarobthey would be saved in their profile23:35
reedwe've set up time as staff to redo the page with something like that23:35
fifieldt3yeah, fun23:36
reedwell... not as sophisticated though :)23:36
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sarobbaby steps23:36
reedwe're starting to think of the community as a funnel23:36
sarobmy thinking exactly23:36
reedor better, we always thought about that but we're building tools and measurement points now23:37
sarobwhy i want to train peoples that show up to the user group meetings23:37
fifieldt3ABE :)23:37
reedfifieldt3, you missed C and D :)23:38
sarobi still have the participation table on my plate23:38
fifieldt3reed: Always Be Educating :)23:38
* reed ignorant23:38
reedtoo many TLA23:38
* sarob thinking deeply23:38
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sarobokay im good23:39
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reedsarob, the blueprint also fits well with the idea of mentors that I and Anne talked about23:39
sarobwhich one?23:39
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reedto have mentors for new comers in the community23:39
reedfor all kind of roles23:39
sarobahh, right23:39
sarobthat would be a cool name for the tool23:40
sarobopenstack mentor23:40
sarobhandholding you to knowledge23:40
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reedit's a huge task...23:40
sarobthat why they pay you the big bucks :)23:41
reednati_ueno, you there?23:41
fifieldt3yeah, I've mentored a few ppl to ATC ... it takes work ... challenging to scale23:41
reedsarob, I was not complaining, meant to say that it needs proper allocation of time/resources23:41
nati_uenoreed: what's up?23:41
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fifieldt3Problem based learning worked well for that23:41
reednati_ueno, can you make me an admin of the trystack facebook group please?23:42
fifieldt3oh, can I get one too? :)23:42
fifieldt3sarob: coding dojo style23:42
nati_uenoreed: may I ask your name? and purpose?23:42
reednati_ueno, Stefano Maffulli23:42
nati_uenoreed: ah, you are stef!23:43
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nati_uenoreed: could you send me your facebook page?23:43
reednati_ueno, I am :) I and Tom are going to publish a survey there23:43
fifieldt3hi nati23:43
nati_uenofifieldt3: <-- Tom?23:43
fifieldt3reed - give nati a link to survey for feedback?23:44
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* reed looking for link23:45
fifieldt3silly gdoc23:45
nati_uenofifieldt3: could you share your facebook account?23:45
fifieldt3nati i am on your friend list iirc23:46
fifieldt3i am on cell phone right now23:46
fifieldt3so can't link eadily23:46
fifieldt3my ketai isn't so advamced23:46
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nati_uenoreed: fifieldt3: you are now also trystack admins!23:47
reedI can make Tom an admin23:47
reedsweet, thanks nati_ueno23:47
nati_uenowelcome trystack admins!23:47
fifieldt3thanks nati!23:47
reednati_ueno, let us know what you think of the questions on the survey23:47
reedI don't add friends though, so don't take it personally :)23:48
nati_uenoreed: could you give me permission23:48
reedtry again23:48
sarobisnt there an irc script for facebook?23:49
* sarob so complicated23:49
nati_uenoreed: you may use ask question function in the facebook group23:50
fifieldt3too basic imo23:50
reednati_ueno, I'm not a big facebook user, I have no idea what that does...23:51
reedi'm trying to understand if there is any way to get reports from users, who they are, where they live... some stats on the group23:51
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nati_uenoreed: there is button 'ask questions' on the comment box,23:52
reedi gotta go too23:52
nati_uenokk TL guys!23:52
reednati_ueno, I'll look into the help and see if it helps using it23:52
reedespecially if there is any reporting capability23:53
reedlet's close the meeting23:53
nati_uenoGood day23:53
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reedthanks all23:54
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