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| fifieldt | hi Daisy | 06:57 |
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| Daisy | hi fifieldt | 06:57 |
| fifieldt | how is life? | 06:57 |
| ujuc | hi~~~~ Daisy, fifieldt | 06:58 |
| Daisy | very good. I have a rainy summer in Beijing this year. | 06:58 |
| Daisy | hi, ujuc | 06:58 |
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| Daisy | Nice to see you again. | 06:58 |
| fifieldt | hi ujuc! How are you? | 06:58 |
| amotoki | hi everyon | 06:58 |
| fifieldt | hi amotoki! | 06:58 |
| Daisy | hi, amotoki | 06:58 |
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| ujuc | Korean is Cloud and raning~~..:( | 06:58 |
| Daisy | any new friends? | 06:58 |
| katomo | Hi | 06:59 |
| ujuc | hi~ | 06:59 |
| Daisy | hi, katomo ! are you also from Japan? | 06:59 |
| katomo | I'm new to this meeting. | 06:59 |
| amotoki | he's from japan too | 06:59 |
| ujuc | :D | 06:59 |
| katomo | I'm KATO Tomoyuki, from Japan. | 06:59 |
| Daisy | the meeting will be started 1 minute | 06:59 |
| fifieldt | hi Kato san | 07:00 |
| fifieldt | great to meet you, virtually | 07:00 |
| Daisy | ok. let's start. | 07:00 |
| Daisy | #startmeeting OpenStack I18n Meeting | 07:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jul 11 07:00:16 2013 UTC. The chair is Daisy. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 07:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 07:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: OpenStack I18n Meeting)" | 07:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_i18n_meeting' | 07:00 |
| Daisy | Hello, everyone. | 07:00 |
| ujuc | Hello, :D | 07:00 |
| Daisy | Let's see if there are any friends from Europ? | 07:00 |
| Daisy | no? | 07:00 |
| jpich | I'm here from Ireland, though not a translator | 07:01 |
| jpich | Hello :) | 07:01 |
| fifieldt | hi jpich :) | 07:01 |
| Daisy | I guess Stephane from French won't join today. | 07:01 |
| akira__ | Hello all. | 07:01 |
| ujuc | hi jpich :) | 07:01 |
| Daisy | Hi, jpich ! | 07:01 |
| Daisy | jpich, are you working for Horizon? | 07:01 |
| jpich | I am | 07:01 |
| Daisy | nice. | 07:01 |
| Daisy | Welcome ! | 07:01 |
| Daisy | ok. | 07:01 |
| Daisy | #topic Action items from the last meeting | 07:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Action items from the last meeting (Meeting topic: OpenStack I18n Meeting)" | 07:02 | |
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| Daisy | Daisy to write instructions in the wiki about creating reviewers and how to review | 07:03 |
| Fdot | Hello sorry to being late | 07:03 |
| fifieldt | hi Fdot | 07:03 |
| Fdot | I am representing french community | 07:03 |
| Daisy | I removed the PM role from wiki, and added a new section called "Translation task" | 07:03 |
| Daisy | Hi, Fdot . Welcome ! | 07:04 |
| Fdot | Hello fifeldt and Daisy | 07:04 |
| ujuc | Hi, Fdot, :D | 07:04 |
| Daisy | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/I18nTeam | 07:04 |
| Daisy | please take a look at it. | 07:04 |
| Fdot | I am alterning with steff00 | 07:04 |
| Daisy | There are two kinds of taks: regular taks and ad hoc task. | 07:04 |
| Daisy | Ad hoc tasks may be requested from community | 07:05 |
| Daisy | asking us to help to translate some materials for meeting or events, or marketing. | 07:05 |
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| Daisy | so these tasks may not be in Transifex. we can call for voluteers through mailing list. | 07:05 |
| Daisy | agree? | 07:05 |
| amotoki | +1 | 07:06 |
| Daisy | ok. | 07:06 |
| Fdot | +1 | 07:06 |
| ujuc | +1 | 07:06 |
| fifieldt | +1 | 07:06 |
| Daisy | Daisy to update roles on the wiki based on discussion | 07:07 |
| Daisy | done. | 07:07 |
| Daisy | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/Translation#Contribute_as_a_reviewer | 07:07 |
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| Daisy | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/I18nTeam/Management | 07:07 |
| Daisy | Daisy to check with Oslo team about the progress of domain seperation. | 07:07 |
| Daisy | THere is no progress with this blueprint. | 07:08 |
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| Daisy | so we will put the message translation as low priority, except the domain are separated or somebody from some country raise hands to do this work. | 07:08 |
| Daisy | Daisy to check with Doc team about the Japanese version's publish. | 07:09 |
| Daisy | Done. I attended the doc meeting this week. I wll explain it in the next topic | 07:09 |
| Daisy | Daisy to take a look at the source lang in Horizon. | 07:09 |
| Daisy | I'm not able to change the source lang. | 07:09 |
| Daisy | The only way is to delete the existing resources and upload a new resource, setting the source lang as en. | 07:10 |
| amotoki | Daisy: thanks. it is expected to some extent. | 07:10 |
| Daisy | I have not contacted with Gabriel | 07:10 |
| Daisy | But I sent email to James and Clark in CI team, and together with Gabriel. | 07:11 |
| Daisy | I will continue to track it. | 07:11 |
| Daisy | ok. next one | 07:11 |
| Daisy | fifieldt to mail to Stefano about the statistics in Transifex. | 07:11 |
| amotoki | we need to coordinate the timing when we recreate repo. | 07:11 |
| fifieldt | hi, yes | 07:11 |
| fifieldt | unfortunately stefano was at a conference in the last week | 07:11 |
| fifieldt | and just got back to the US | 07:11 |
| fifieldt | so we haven't met yet | 07:11 |
| fifieldt | Can we retain the action item until next time? | 07:11 |
| Daisy | sure | 07:11 |
| Daisy | #action fifieldt to mail to Stefano about the statistics in Transifex. | 07:12 |
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| Daisy | next topic | 07:12 |
| Daisy | #topic Release of document translation | 07:12 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Release of document translation (Meeting topic: OpenStack I18n Meeting)" | 07:12 | |
| Daisy | I want to use Japanese version of operation guide as the PoC of translation release. | 07:13 |
| Daisy | because Japanese team is the top 1 who has finished the translation of operation guide. | 07:13 |
| Daisy | I had a talk with Anne. | 07:13 |
| Daisy | we'd like to create a new page in docs.openstac.org | 07:14 |
| Daisy | docs.openstack.org/jp | 07:14 |
| Daisy | This page can be a Japanese version of http://docs.openstack.org/ | 07:14 |
| Daisy | or a simple one, because we have only 1 document available in Japanese. | 07:14 |
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| amotoki | sounds nice. | 07:15 |
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| Daisy | in order to provide a Japanese index page, what we need to do is to add a new folder under https://github.com/openstack/openstack-manuals/tree/master/www | 07:15 |
| Daisy | named jp | 07:15 |
| amotoki | Do we need to create a localized top page? | 07:15 |
| fifieldt | under /jp should be index.html ? | 07:15 |
| amotoki | yes. | 07:15 |
| Daisy | take a look at https://github.com/openstack/openstack-manuals/tree/master/www/folsom | 07:16 |
| amotoki | If there is some template it would be more helpful | 07:16 |
| Daisy | there is only 1 index page there. So I think it's a similar one. | 07:16 |
| fifieldt | you could also copy the template from the ops directory if you like that one better | 07:16 |
| amotoki | thanks. it looks a good template | 07:17 |
| Daisy | we need somebody to work on the new index page under /jp folder. | 07:17 |
| Daisy | Who would like to do it? | 07:17 |
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| amotoki | i cat take it | 07:17 |
| Daisy | nice. | 07:18 |
| Daisy | Thanks, amotoki | 07:18 |
| amotoki | #action amotoki prepare the index page for Japanese localized page | 07:18 |
| Daisy | I think you can work on it, but it's not in a hurry. | 07:18 |
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| Daisy | because I think, the most challenge work is to publish the html version to the website. | 07:18 |
| amotoki | ^^; | 07:18 |
| uvirtbot | amotoki: Error: "^;" is not a valid command. | 07:18 |
| Daisy | We need to study the script here: https://github.com/openstack-infra/config/blob/master/modules/openstack_project/files/jenkins_job_builder/config/manuals.yaml | 07:19 |
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| Daisy | Currently, the HTML documents are automatically generated with a job in Jenkins and then copy to a specific folder. | 07:20 |
| Daisy | The in the index, there is a link to the folder, I think, so that when people clicks the link, the document can be displayed. | 07:20 |
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| Daisy | I think it will take some time, base on my previous experiences in developing scripts of Jenkins. | 07:21 |
| Daisy | Will somebody take this job? | 07:21 |
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| katomo | I try it. | 07:22 |
| Daisy | There is no test environments locally. What the scripts developer can do, is to upload to the server and try. | 07:22 |
| Daisy | thanks, katomo. | 07:22 |
| amotoki | katomo: thanks. | 07:22 |
| Daisy | I can work together with you. | 07:22 |
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| katomo | Daisy: thanks. | 07:22 |
| Daisy | #action katomo and Daisy to work on the Jenkins script to publish Japanese operation guide. | 07:23 |
| Daisy | good. | 07:23 |
| Daisy | after these two works are done, the /jp website can be available to show the Japanese document. | 07:23 |
| amotoki | i have a question about language code. | 07:24 |
| Daisy | It will be a great milestone. | 07:24 |
| katomo | BTW, Can we use language code "ja" for a new folder name? -> docs.openstack.org/ja/ | 07:24 |
| amotoki | which ja is better ja or jp? | 07:24 |
| Daisy | sure. | 07:24 |
| Daisy | ja is better. | 07:24 |
| Daisy | I agree. | 07:24 |
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| amotoki | The language code in Transifex and Horizon use "ja". | 07:24 |
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| akira___ | ja means Japanese language. | 07:24 |
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| fifieldt | we can also create aliases between them if you want both :) | 07:25 |
| akira___ | jp means Japan. | 07:25 |
| * fifieldt agrees with akira__ | 07:25 | |
| Daisy | I think language code is better. | 07:25 |
| Daisy | so we use ja. | 07:25 |
| Daisy | we use zh for Chinese. | 07:25 |
| katomo | o.k. | 07:25 |
| Daisy | not "cn". :)) | 07:26 |
| ujuc | :) | 07:26 |
| amotoki | :) | 07:26 |
| akira___ | :) | 07:26 |
| Daisy | any other questions or comments? | 07:26 |
| katomo | :) | 07:26 |
| Fdot | yes | 07:26 |
| Daisy | #topic How to enroll more developers | 07:26 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "How to enroll more developers (Meeting topic: OpenStack I18n Meeting)" | 07:26 | |
| fifieldt | questions Fdot? | 07:27 |
| Fdot | yes it is about the glossary | 07:27 |
| Fdot | yesterday we have made a meeting with the french translators | 07:27 |
| Fdot | and we have a common question :) | 07:27 |
| Fdot | into Transifex there is no correct glossary | 07:28 |
| Fdot | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Glossary | 07:28 |
| Fdot | The common on is empty | 07:28 |
| Daisy | can we leave this question to the public discussion? | 07:28 |
| Fdot | But we can find one very interesting on the wiki | 07:28 |
| Fdot | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Glossary | 07:28 |
| Daisy | sorry, Fdot . | 07:28 |
| Fdot | ok no pb | 07:28 |
| Fdot | :) | 07:28 |
| Daisy | I believe katomo and amotoki can share with us their experiences about glossary. | 07:29 |
| Daisy | Let's leave it in the public discussion. | 07:29 |
| Daisy | so the topc | 07:29 |
| Daisy | topic | 07:29 |
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| Daisy | actually, when I put this in the agenda, I was thinking to find more people helping us develop web pages, or the Jenkins scripts, for example. | 07:29 |
| Daisy | now we have amotoki and katomo who voluteer to help. | 07:30 |
| Daisy | so the question can be changed to: do we need more developers? if we do, how can we enroll them? | 07:30 |
| Daisy | maybe we leave the question there. :)) | 07:31 |
| Fdot | which kind of help are you looking for exactly ? | 07:31 |
| Fdot | coding for webpage ? webdesign ? | 07:32 |
| Daisy | the translation tools enhancement. | 07:32 |
| Daisy | and the Jenkins scripts development | 07:32 |
| fifieldt | there are a bunch of tools that are used to go back and forth between transifex and the code repositories, fdot | 07:32 |
| Daisy | I want somebody can help to resolve the % issue. | 07:32 |
| Fdot | is there a place where are listed all the help you are looking for ? | 07:33 |
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| Daisy | no place at now. | 07:33 |
| Daisy | that's the next topic I'm going to discuss. | 07:33 |
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| Fdot | oh ok :) | 07:34 |
| Daisy | so we list all the works we want help, and if there are voluteers, they can know what to do. | 07:34 |
| Daisy | good question, Fdot . | 07:34 |
| fifieldt | cool - sounds like an action item | 07:34 |
| amotoki | are there any information how i18n infra job works? | 07:34 |
| Daisy | no till now. | 07:34 |
| amotoki | such information helps us to start such works I believe. | 07:34 |
| Daisy | amotoki: another good question. | 07:34 |
| Fdot | +1 amotoki :) | 07:35 |
| akira___ | :) | 07:35 |
| amotoki | at first, a list of pointers is enough. Where is the scripts or something. | 07:35 |
| Daisy | #action Daisy to describe the i18n infra job in the wiki. | 07:36 |
| Daisy | please continue, amotoki . | 07:36 |
| amotoki | no more from me now. | 07:36 |
| Daisy | how about others? | 07:36 |
| fifieldt | I'm happy with more description - do we also need to #action list all the works we want help for on the wiki? | 07:37 |
| Daisy | ok. Then we move to next topic. Hope can answer Fdot 's question and figure out action item. | 07:37 |
| Daisy | #topic: How to track issues and blueprints | 07:37 |
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| akira___ | How about testing site to confirm new/updated web pages? | 07:38 |
| Daisy | We surely need a place to list all the issues and tasks, so that when people want to help, they can know how to start. | 07:38 |
| fifieldt | akira__: docs team is working on this - they have a staging server and just need some help to get it going | 07:38 |
| akira___ | good. thanks. | 07:39 |
| Daisy | Do we also want to use Lanchpad to do it? | 07:39 |
| fifieldt | I'm OK with launchpad | 07:39 |
| fifieldt | then we can refer to other projects as well using the bug linking feature .... | 07:39 |
| Daisy | https://launchpad.net/openstack-i18n | 07:39 |
| Daisy | I created one. | 07:40 |
| Daisy | The bugs can be used to track the issues we want to resolve. | 07:40 |
| Daisy | The blueprints can be used to track the items we want to work on. | 07:40 |
| Daisy | but how to track the "translation task"? | 07:40 |
| fifieldt | we should ask someone to make this a sub-project of the global "openstack" project | 07:40 |
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| Daisy | do you know who can help to do that, fifieldt ? | 07:40 |
| fifieldt | #openstack-infra IIRC | 07:41 |
| fifieldt | does transifex do a good job at tracking progress? or perhaps we recommend a method like the japanese team's wiki page | 07:41 |
| Daisy | For example, fifieldt has asked me to help him to translate a registration form for HongKong summit. | 07:41 |
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| Daisy | that kind of tasks may not need to track through Transifex. | 07:42 |
| Fdot | In france we are going to use : http://openstack.fr/traduction/ | 07:42 |
| Fdot | for coordinate our community | 07:42 |
| fifieldt | so maybe each team does their own tracking, and updates overall status at this meeting? | 07:42 |
| fifieldt | team being language team in this sense | 07:42 |
| Daisy | Fdot: is it a wiki? | 07:43 |
| Fdot | It is a wordpress | 07:43 |
| Daisy | Take a look at: https://github.com/openstack-ja/openstack-manuals/wiki/Operations-Guide-%E7%BF%BB%E8%A8%B3%E5%88%86%E6%8B%85 | 07:44 |
| Daisy | This is how Japanese team is tracking the translation of operation guide. | 07:44 |
| Fdot | that's amazing | 07:44 |
| Fdot | good jo | 07:44 |
| Fdot | good job | 07:44 |
| Fdot | and that's a good idea | 07:45 |
| Fdot | we are going to study what you have done | 07:45 |
| Daisy | amotoki: can you explain what is https://github.com/openstack-ja for? | 07:45 |
| fifieldt | perhaps in a ML post or a wiki article - for future reference | 07:45 |
| amotoki | it is maintained by japan openstack users group. | 07:45 |
| Daisy | Is it a fork of openstack localized in Japanese? | 07:45 |
| Daisy | I see there are many openstack projects there. | 07:46 |
| * fifieldt has to leave in ~15mins :| | 07:46 | |
| amotoki | no. at now just for translation works | 07:46 |
| amotoki | but sometimes we need to manage local versions to track translations. | 07:46 |
| Daisy | is it easy to use? How to edit the wiki page in github? | 07:46 |
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| amotoki | create an github account, join the team. | 07:47 |
| Daisy | I mean, how do you edit https://github.com/openstack-ja/openstack-manuals/wiki/Operations-Guide-%E7%BF%BB%E8%A8%B3%E5%88%86%E6%8B%85? | 07:47 |
| Daisy | does people need to check out, edit and then check in? | 07:47 |
| amotoki | we can edit this page in the same way. | 07:48 |
| Daisy | I think wiki page may be a good way to track the translation task. We need to find a single way and used by all openstack translation teams. | 07:48 |
| fifieldt | see also: https://help.github.com/articles/creating-and-editing-files-in-your-repository | 07:48 |
| Daisy | so it's easy to edit? | 07:48 |
| amotoki | yes. it is just a wiki. | 07:49 |
| Daisy | amotoki: can you team members edit the progress checking page in the internet browser? | 07:49 |
| Daisy | I mean, just like edit a wiki page? | 07:49 |
| amotoki | yes. | 07:49 |
| Daisy | nice. | 07:49 |
| amotoki | github is a kind of developement infra. we can use wiki, git repository, issue tracking and so on. | 07:49 |
| Daisy | Then we create a project in github, and put the translation work items there. | 07:50 |
| amotoki | yes. | 07:50 |
| Daisy | Under each translation work items, each translation team have a file to describe the work assignment and progress. | 07:50 |
| Daisy | Is that good? | 07:50 |
| Daisy | as a conclusion | 07:51 |
| amotoki | I think it works. | 07:51 |
| Daisy | we use bugs and blueprints in lanchpad to track the translation tool related works we want to do. | 07:51 |
| Daisy | we use a project in github to track the translation work items. | 07:52 |
| Daisy | so next topic | 07:52 |
| Daisy | #topic How to track contributors | 07:52 |
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| Daisy | I think the previous topic can answer part of this question. | 07:52 |
| amotoki | FYI neutron team has a page like this: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/NeutronStarterBugs | 07:52 |
| amotoki | thsi page describe what type of contributions the community wants. | 07:53 |
| Daisy | so how about the translators who has contributed? | 07:53 |
| Daisy | who are familiar with Transifex API? | 07:53 |
| Daisy | maybe I think Transifex API can help. | 07:53 |
| Daisy | I have to be quick, because fifieldt is going to leave. | 07:53 |
| Daisy | amotoki: are you familiar with Transifex API? | 07:54 |
| Daisy | maybe API can help us to get all the translators who has contributed. | 07:54 |
| amotoki | not so much. i just use tx tools. | 07:54 |
| Daisy | ok. | 07:54 |
| Daisy | #action Daisy to take a look at Transifex API to see if it's able to get the translators information. | 07:54 |
| Daisy | so next topic. | 07:54 |
| Daisy | #topic Translation of ask.openstack.org UI into Chinese and other languages | 07:54 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Translation of ask.openstack.org UI into Chinese and other languages (Meeting topic: OpenStack I18n Meeting)" | 07:55 | |
| Daisy | fifieldt: do you want to give an explaination? | 07:55 |
| fifieldt | We have had several requests for ask.openstack.org in other languages. | 07:55 |
| fifieldt | It turns out this is doable - the biggest effort is changing the search index algorithm so it works for non-English languages. This effort was successfully done for Chinese. | 07:55 |
| fifieldt | However, the UI for the site - which is powered by a piece of software called AskBot, does not have full translation yet. | 07:55 |
| fifieldt | you can see the staging site here: http://ask-staging.openstack.org/zh/questions/ | 07:55 |
| fifieldt | and note the various English UI elements | 07:55 |
| fifieldt | askbot actually uses transifex to manage their translations too | 07:56 |
| fifieldt | https://www.transifex.com/projects/p/askbot/ | 07:56 |
| fifieldt | with a relatively high degree of completeness | 07:56 |
| fifieldt | so, to get ask.openstack.org in other languages, perhaps we need to help upstream there to translate the parts of the UI we need | 07:56 |
| fifieldt | </end of summary> | 07:56 |
| Daisy | I think, Chinese translation team can do the Chinese translation. | 07:57 |
| Daisy | do you need other language? | 07:57 |
| fifieldt | ujuc, I believe the korean group has also requested it | 07:57 |
| ujuc | yeseys~ | 07:58 |
| ujuc | :) | 07:58 |
| akira___ | motoki-san, how about it for japanese? | 07:58 |
| amotoki | i am not sure the situation. | 07:58 |
| fifieldt | also, Fdot, is localized ask.openstack.org useful for the french group? | 07:58 |
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| jpich | I think there was interest from the Spanish folks as well | 07:59 |
| fifieldt | oh, cool jpich | 07:59 |
| amotoki | akira___: let's ask to the japanese ml after the meeting. someone may know it (e.g. itoh-san) | 07:59 |
| Fdot | yes it could be interesting | 07:59 |
| Daisy | so fifieldt I'm going to start a wiki page of all the tasks requested by community. and I will set this request as the first one. | 07:59 |
| akira___ | yes. | 08:00 |
| fifieldt | Daisy, perhaps as bugs, or blueprints as well? :) | 08:00 |
| Fdot | Translation is here : https://www.transifex.com/projects/p/askbot/ ? | 08:00 |
| fifieldt | yes, Fdot | 08:00 |
| fifieldt | french is mostly complete :) | 08:00 |
| Fdot | 86% for french | 08:00 |
| Fdot | it is going to be fast :) | 08:00 |
| fifieldt | but keep in mind that not every UI element is necessary, perhaps :) | 08:00 |
| Fdot | :) | 08:01 |
| Daisy | yet I will set it's medium priority, if we have high priorty work to do, such as catching the realse of Havana, we will do the requested work from community later. | 08:01 |
| Fdot | I have send a request for joining the french translation team | 08:01 |
| Daisy | Of course we don't need to catch the relase of havana now. But when we start this work, there may be other questions coming from other people. | 08:01 |
| * Fdot is brb in 5 minutes | 08:01 | |
| fifieldt | I have to go to my meeting | 08:02 |
| Daisy | ok, fifieldt | 08:02 |
| fifieldt | for the glossary section talk | 08:02 |
| Daisy | ok. | 08:02 |
| fifieldt | note that it is in openstack-manuals repo | 08:02 |
| fifieldt | and at docs.openstack.org/glossary or something | 08:02 |
| Daisy | #topic Open discussion | 08:02 |
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| Daisy | Fdot has a question about glossary. | 08:02 |
| Daisy | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Glossary | 08:03 |
| fifieldt | http://docs.openstack.org/glossary/ | 08:03 |
| Daisy | amotoki: do your team have listed any glossary during your translation? | 08:03 |
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| amotoki | we reviewed the glossary in ops-guide and use it as a master. | 08:04 |
| amotoki | but there are still many discussions.... | 08:04 |
| Daisy | ok. can you give me the link of golssary in ops-guide? | 08:05 |
| Daisy | Fdot: are you still there? | 08:05 |
| amotoki | http://docs.openstack.org/trunk/openstack-ops/content/go01.html | 08:05 |
| Daisy | In your mind, you think the glossary in the wiki page are helpful? | 08:05 |
| Daisy | Time is up. | 08:06 |
| Daisy | so action | 08:06 |
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| amotoki | one master glossary is helpful. | 08:06 |
| Fdot_ | I am back sorry :/ | 08:06 |
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| Daisy | can we merge these three all together? | 08:06 |
| Daisy | Hi, Fdot_ | 08:06 |
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| Daisy | There are three glossary | 08:06 |
| Daisy | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Glossary | 08:07 |
| Daisy | http://docs.openstack.org/glossary/ | 08:07 |
| Daisy | http://docs.openstack.org/trunk/openstack-ops/content/go01.html | 08:07 |
| Daisy | any other glossary? | 08:07 |
| Daisy | Do you think these glossary are helpful ? | 08:07 |
| Fdot | there is one into transifex | 08:07 |
| Daisy | If so, we can merge them and load into Tansifex. | 08:07 |
| Daisy | Which one? | 08:07 |
| Fdot | into the manual part | 08:08 |
| Daisy | Which one is the one in Transifex. | 08:08 |
| * Fdot is cheking the url | 08:08 | |
| Fdot | #url : https://www.transifex.com/projects/p/openstack-manuals-i18n/glossary/l/en/ | 08:08 |
| Fdot | this one is not very helpful | 08:08 |
| Daisy | #action Daisy to create wiki page and github project to track the translation tasks. | 08:09 |
| Fdot | with the french community we would be very interested to merge all the glossary into https://www.transifex.com/projects/p/openstack/glossary/l/en/ | 08:09 |
| Fdot | and to open the translation | 08:09 |
| Daisy | nice. | 08:10 |
| Daisy | I agree. | 08:10 |
| Daisy | How do you think, amotoki ? | 08:10 |
| amotoki | sounds nice. | 08:10 |
| Fdot | we can help for copying and pasting the glossray from the wiki | 08:10 |
| Fdot | I have already the 3rst ;) | 08:10 |
| amotoki | in this case, we need to remove glossary from other manuals. | 08:10 |
| amotoki | manuals on Transifex. | 08:11 |
| Daisy | do we have other glossary from other manuals? | 08:11 |
| Daisy | I think there is only 1 glossary in Transifex. | 08:11 |
| Daisy | are there? | 08:11 |
| Daisy | or there are several glossary for different resources? | 08:11 |
| amotoki | yes. 1 on Transifex. | 08:11 |
| Daisy | I think there is 1. | 08:11 |
| Daisy | Right. | 08:11 |
| ujuc | 1 on ~ | 08:11 |
| Daisy | Fdot: can you help to merge these three glossary and import to Transifex? | 08:12 |
| Fdot | yes no pb | 08:12 |
| Daisy | ok. | 08:12 |
| Fdot | I have manpower for doing this ;) | 08:12 |
| ujuc | :D | 08:12 |
| Daisy | I don't know if there is a way to import from Excel. | 08:12 |
| Fdot | #action is going to help for merging glossary and import them into transifex | 08:12 |
| Daisy | thanks, Fdot | 08:12 |
| Daisy | ok. any other topics? | 08:12 |
| Daisy | questions? problems? | 08:13 |
| Fdot | let's copy and past it is going to be faster ;) | 08:13 |
| Daisy | Sorry it's over run. | 08:13 |
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| Daisy | Sorry the meeting is over run. | 08:13 |
| Daisy | It's very nice that nobody is waiting for us and eager to start their meetings. :)) | 08:13 |
| Daisy | if no, I will close it. | 08:13 |
| Daisy | Thank you all. | 08:13 |
| Daisy | It's a very nice discussion. | 08:14 |
| Daisy | I will write the bi-weekly report to the community. | 08:14 |
| amotoki | thanks all. | 08:14 |
| katomo | Thanks all. | 08:14 |
| Fdot | thanks all :) \o/ | 08:14 |
| akira___ | thanks. | 08:14 |
| ujuc | thanks all~~ | 08:14 |
| Daisy | #endmeeting | 08:14 |
| ujuc | lol~ | 08:14 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 08:14 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jul 11 08:14:31 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 08:14 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_i18n_meeting/2013/openstack_i18n_meeting.2013-07-11-07.00.html | 08:14 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_i18n_meeting/2013/openstack_i18n_meeting.2013-07-11-07.00.txt | 08:14 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_i18n_meeting/2013/openstack_i18n_meeting.2013-07-11-07.00.log.html | 08:14 |
| amotoki | Daisy: it would be great if we have an agenda on Wiki before the meeting. | 08:14 |
| Daisy | I believe we have. | 08:14 |
| Daisy | and you can add the items you want. | 08:14 |
| Daisy | Let me find the link. | 08:14 |
| Daisy | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/I18nTeamMeeting | 08:15 |
| Daisy | You can edit the wiki page and add the things you want to discuss. | 08:15 |
| amotoki | thanks. i missed this page. | 08:15 |
| Daisy | welcome | 08:15 |
| amotoki | Daisy: i am afraid i won't enough time for translations. H2 release is close and we need to review patches as neutron-core and horizon-core. | 08:16 |
| Daisy | do you have other people who can help? | 08:17 |
| amotoki | Daisy: i believe japanese community including katomo and akira___ will help me. | 08:18 |
| amotoki | i will do it as possible as i can. | 08:18 |
| Daisy | actually, I think, translation team should be not busy during the development, but will be very very very busy at the relase time. | 08:18 |
| Daisy | amotoki: Thank you very much. | 08:18 |
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| akira___ | motoki-san, let's share your tasks. | 08:19 |
| katomo | amotoki: sure | 08:19 |
| Daisy | amotoki: you have done a very good work amotoki . | 08:19 |
| amotoki | thanks, at this moment i have no much tasks about i18n. | 08:19 |
| amotoki | Let's complete ja trans! | 08:20 |
| Daisy | amotoki: will you join the i18n meeting in the future? | 08:20 |
| akira___ | ok. | 08:20 |
| amotoki | Daisy: sure. | 08:20 |
| Daisy | amotoki: great ! I think I need your suggestions very much. | 08:21 |
| Daisy | amotoki: our team is still building, there are a lot of discussions we need to have and a lot of infra we need to set up. | 08:21 |
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| Daisy | amotoki: if you are busy, you may put the translation in low priority. It's ok. But I hope you can continue to give me good suggestions during this time. | 08:22 |
| amotoki | Daisy: this meeting is very valuable and i'll continue to join. | 08:22 |
| Daisy | amotoki: Thank you. | 08:22 |
| amotoki | bye everyone! | 08:23 |
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| akira___ | thanks. bye! | 08:23 |
| Daisy | bye ! | 08:24 |
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| Daisy | have a nice day. | 08:24 |
| Fdot | Have a nice day :) | 08:24 |
| katomo | bye | 08:24 |
| Fdot | A bientôt :) | 08:24 |
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| ujuc | :) | 08:25 |
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| jd__ | #startmeeting ceilometer | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jul 11 15:00:52 2013 UTC. The chair is jd__. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: ceilometer)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ceilometer' | 15:00 |
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| dragondm | o/ | 15:01 |
| terriyu | o/ | 15:01 |
| apmelton | o/ | 15:01 |
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| jd__ | hi there | 15:01 |
| eglynn | o/ | 15:01 |
| llu-laptop | o/ | 15:01 |
| danspraggins | o/ | 15:01 |
| dhellmann_ | o/ | 15:01 |
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| gordc | o/ | 15:02 |
| xingzhou | o/ | 15:02 |
| thomasem | o/ | 15:02 |
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| nealph | o/ | 15:03 |
| DanD | o/ | 15:03 |
| jd__ | #topic action from previous meeting: jd__ Write a terminology page in the documentation | 15:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "action from previous meeting: jd__ Write a terminology page in the documentation (Meeting topic: ceilometer)" | 15:03 | |
| jd__ | I discovered we had a glossary already, so I've updated it | 15:03 |
| jd__ | new version is online at http://docs.openstack.org/developer/ceilometer/glossary.html | 15:03 |
| thomasem | awesome | 15:04 |
| nealph | that's a good lesson to all...don't underestimate the power of the search. :) | 15:04 |
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| jd__ | hehe | 15:04 |
| jd__ | that's all for this | 15:04 |
| jd__ | #topic Deprecate the "counter" term? | 15:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Deprecate the "counter" term? (Meeting topic: ceilometer)" | 15:04 | |
| jd__ | IIRC I'm the one who wrote that while working on the glossary | 15:04 |
| jd__ | we use the counter term in a few place, especially in the source code, but it doesn't match anything really | 15:05 |
| jd__ | we build Counter and store them as Samples… in a Meter table | 15:05 |
| jd__ | so my idea would be step #1 let's drop this term from our source | 15:05 |
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| dhellmann | replace with sample? | 15:05 |
| jd__ | dhellmann: yes | 15:05 |
| eglynn | yeah counter and sample are just too close in meaning | 15:05 |
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| dhellmann | wfm | 15:05 |
| eglynn | (currently) | 15:05 |
| eglynn | so +1 on that | 15:05 |
| gordc | "we build Counter and store them as Samples… in a Meter table" seems easy enough to understand :) | 15:05 |
| dhellmann | we'll have to figure out how to rename a collection in mongo, but that shouldn't be too much trouble | 15:06 |
| * jd__ gags gordc | 15:06 | |
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| xingzhou | emm, can keep consistent with code if use sample | 15:06 |
| jd__ | dhellmann: eventually, I think we should start by targetting ceilometer.counter.* as a good first step | 15:06 |
| eglynn | dhellmann: mongo equivalent of a sqlalchemy-migrate migration script | 15:07 |
| eglynn | ? | 15:07 |
| jd__ | the API has some problem wrt this too | 15:07 |
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| dhellmann | eglynn: yes, I just meant we need to work out how to actually make the change in mongo, but that can come after we have our code changed as jd__ points out | 15:07 |
| dhellmann | I thought asalkeld got rid of counter in the v2 api? | 15:07 |
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| llu-laptop | I only saw get_samples in v2 api | 15:08 |
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| eglynn | dhellmann: k, if it's considered likely to be a tractable problem to manage the migration | 15:08 |
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| gordc | dhellmann, i think when you query, it's still 'counter_name'... | 15:08 |
| jd__ | dhellmann: you hoped so, but the fields are still named counter_name in the samples returned by /meters | 15:08 |
| * jd__ puked | 15:09 | |
| jd__ | :-> | 15:09 |
| nealph | gordc: concur. | 15:09 |
| jd__ | but well we can't break the API (for now) so let's go step by step on this | 15:09 |
| dhellmann | ah, because we deliver data right from the schema | 15:09 |
| dhellmann | oh well | 15:09 |
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| dhellmann | yeah, let's clean up the code now and the schema and api during icehouse | 15:10 |
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| eglynn | sensible | 15:10 |
| gordc | dhellmann, +1 | 15:10 |
| jd__ | +1 | 15:10 |
| llu-laptop | dhellmann, +1\ | 15:10 |
| jd__ | #agreed let's clean the code now removing counter when we can and clean the API during icehouse | 15:11 |
| jd__ | #topic Review Havana-2 milestone | 15:11 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Review Havana-2 milestone (Meeting topic: ceilometer)" | 15:11 | |
| jd__ | #link https://launchpad.net/ceilometer/+milestone/havana-2 | 15:11 |
| eglynn | I was hoping to get patches proposed for alarm-service-partitioner tomorrow | 15:11 |
| eglynn | but burned far too much time sheparding unit-transformer patches | 15:11 |
| eglynn | a likely h2 miss at this stage :( | 15:11 |
| eglynn | apologies! | 15:11 |
| eglynn | but should land soon after ... | 15:12 |
| dhellmann | we lost a lot of time this week to the oslo.config installation issue | 15:12 |
| jd__ | that and we really miss reviews I think | 15:12 |
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| jd__ | but life is life. | 15:12 |
| eglynn | declare tomorrow a review day? | 15:13 |
| dhellmann | yes, I'm going to spend as much time today as I can on reviews, too | 15:13 |
| dhellmann | I need to rebase my changes, apparently :-) | 15:13 |
| jd__ | eglynn: as you wish. every day is a review day for me for a few months now… | 15:13 |
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| jd__ | I'm pretty sure we can fit most of the bp in h2 but we have to just focus on this these next days | 15:14 |
| gordc | are we setting a cutoff date for h2 items? | 15:14 |
| jd__ | dhellmann: maybe https://bugs.launchpad.net/ceilometer/+bug/1178845 should be moved to h3 OTOH? | 15:14 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1178845 in ceilometer "API server should not create a new database handle on each request" [Medium,Confirmed] | 15:14 |
| * dhellmann looks | 15:15 | |
| jd__ | dhellmann: also, remove yourself from assignee maybe if you don't think you'll handle it soon | 15:16 |
| dhellmann | yes, let's move that | 15:16 |
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| dhellmann | moved | 15:16 |
| dhellmann | and unassigned | 15:16 |
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| jd__ | ack | 15:17 |
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| jd__ | I'll move https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ceilometer/+spec/monitoring-physical-devices to h3 too | 15:18 |
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| jd__ | and probably others low priority items soon | 15:18 |
| gordc | jd__, +1 that is going to be beast to review by h2. | 15:19 |
| jd__ | #topic Tempest tests | 15:19 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Tempest tests (Meeting topic: ceilometer)" | 15:19 | |
| jd__ | #vote yes | 15:19 |
| jd__ | :-) | 15:19 |
| sileht | #vote yes | 15:19 |
| dhellmann | heh | 15:19 |
| dhellmann | so, tempest tests came up in the -infra room the other day | 15:19 |
| eglynn | +1 | 15:20 |
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| dhellmann | I forget who was asking, but they wanted to know if we were going to add them :-) | 15:20 |
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| llu-laptop | +1 | 15:20 |
| dhellmann | sdague suggested wrapping the other existing tests | 15:20 |
| dhellmann | and mordred suggested using a specific feature of testtools to do that | 15:20 |
| * dhellmann looks for link | 15:20 | |
| mordred | matchers | 15:20 |
| jd__ | I think what we really need is a volunteer to do the job at this point | 15:21 |
| mordred | https://testtools.readthedocs.org/en/latest/for-test-authors.html#matchers | 15:21 |
| dhellmann | #link https://testtools.readthedocs.org/en/latest/for-test-authors.html?highlight=Matchers#matchers | 15:21 |
| dhellmann | bah, mordred beat me to it :-) | 15:21 |
| mordred | :) | 15:21 |
| jd__ | and to at least start so followers can program by imitation | 15:21 |
| * dhellmann is already overcommitted for this release | 15:22 | |
| nealph | is there a bug/feature submitted for this yet? | 15:23 |
| jd__ | nealph: only good intentions and https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ceilometer/+spec/more-qa-test | 15:23 |
| * nealph should take his own advice about searching | 15:24 | |
| jd__ | which is partially done since we're in the devstack-gate now | 15:24 |
| dhellmann | jd__: sorry to backtrack, but I'd like to move the low priority bp pipeline-configuration-cleanup to h3, if that's ok | 15:24 |
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| jd__ | dhellmann: sure | 15:24 |
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| jd__ | ultimately we should open a bp on https://blueprints.launchpad.net/tempest I guess | 15:25 |
| dhellmann | moved | 15:25 |
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| jd__ | dhellmann: if you don't have time to tackle your stuff, ping me at some point I'll try to jump in | 15:25 |
| dhellmann | jd__: I expect to get some more time between h2 and h3, but thanks | 15:26 |
| jd__ | dhellmann: we all hope so ;) | 15:26 |
| jd__ | any volunteer to lead the Tempest effort? | 15:26 |
| nealph | jd_: I'll look at that a little closer and see what I can do. No promises at this point. :-) | 15:26 |
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| jd__ | nealph: do you want to store an #action or something so we can track this during the next meetings? | 15:27 |
| nealph | that'll keep me honest...sure. | 15:28 |
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| nealph | #action nealph to follow up on tempest qa efforts | 15:29 |
| jd__ | good! thanks nealph! | 15:29 |
| jd__ | hashtag-way-to-go | 15:29 |
| jd__ | #topic Release python-ceilometerclient? | 15:30 |
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| jd__ | do we need that? | 15:30 |
| eglynn | is there anything we need? | 15:30 |
| jd__ | not from my PoV | 15:30 |
| eglynn | lets wait for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/35728/ to land so | 15:30 |
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| jd__ | fair enough | 15:31 |
| jd__ | #topic Open discussion | 15:31 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open discussion (Meeting topic: ceilometer)" | 15:31 | |
| litong | @jd__, since this open discussion. I would like to bring the File Publisher comments here. | 15:32 |
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| litong | I used RotatingFileHandler to make sure that the file won't grow so big and out of control. | 15:32 |
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| litong | that was the reason to have it using rotatingFile vs, plain log file. | 15:33 |
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| jd__ | litong: there's bigger problem in your code AFAIU at this point | 15:33 |
| litong | like what? | 15:33 |
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| jd__ | litong: like the inability to have different files for different pipelines (if I understood correctly) | 15:33 |
| jd__ | litong: about rotating, I'm happy to have a rotating file, but I want the possibility to not have one too | 15:34 |
| litong | hmmm. making even that configurable? | 15:34 |
| litong | the different pipeline use, for that one, need to get different logger. | 15:35 |
| jd__ | litong: yeah, my point, with it used by default with max_size and backup set to None | 15:35 |
| jd__ | litong: indeed | 15:35 |
| litong | @jd__, oh, ok, so if no setting for these two, then use plain log. | 15:35 |
| jd__ | I wrote all that in the review a few minutes earlier if you didn't see :) | 15:35 |
| jd__ | litong: yes :) | 15:35 |
| litong | ok. that will be fine. | 15:35 |
| boris-42 | Hi guys=) | 15:36 |
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| eglynn | hey boris-42 | 15:36 |
| litong | any other stuff want to be in this one? | 15:36 |
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| litong | @jd__, the IIUC comment, I do not think I follow what you were saying. | 15:37 |
| litong | file:///tmp/foobar that should be the string in the pipeline . | 15:37 |
| boris-42 | oh it is opendisucssion | 15:38 |
| boris-42 | =) | 15:38 |
| jd__ | litong: if you use multiple pipeline with different file:/// your code will only use one file:/// | 15:38 |
| jd__ | boris-42: do you want to flood us? :) | 15:38 |
| boris-42 | ahaha=) | 15:38 |
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| litong | so that was the comment for multiple pipeline uses? | 15:38 |
| boris-42 | I could give some feedbac | 15:38 |
| jd__ | litong: yes | 15:38 |
| litong | the solution is to get a logger for each pipeline. | 15:39 |
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| boris-42 | jd__ are you interested?) | 15:39 |
| litong | well each instances of the publisher I assume. | 15:39 |
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| jd__ | litong: yeah, but I think you can instanciate logger and keep them locally in the class, you are not forced to use the system loggers globally registered | 15:39 |
| jd__ | boris-42: always, feedback on what? | 15:40 |
| litong | @jd__, right. ok. thanks for clarifing it. | 15:40 |
| boris-42 | jd__ we have started work around test scenarios and doing first step around migration to sqlalchemy alembic | 15:40 |
| litong | thanks for reviewing it. | 15:40 |
| boris-42 | jd_ here is one patch about test scenarios https://review.openstack.org/#/c/36237/ | 15:41 |
| boris-42 | jd__ and we started to sync db Models to schema that is created by Migrations | 15:41 |
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| boris-42 | jd__ then we will fix some bugs in current schema | 15:42 |
| jd__ | sounds like a good plan :) | 15:42 |
| jd__ | I'll try to review this today | 15:42 |
| boris-42 | jd__ And I think that best solution for switching to alembic will be replace part by part of migrations | 15:42 |
| boris-42 | old migrations | 15:42 |
| boris-42 | so replace in place | 15:43 |
| boris-42 | instead of creating some new and then switching | 15:43 |
| boris-42 | new queue | 15:43 |
| boris-42 | jd__ what do you think about it ^ | 15:43 |
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| jd__ | if we can do this step by step that works for me I guess | 15:44 |
| boris-42 | jd__ we are investigating this question | 15:45 |
| jd__ | ok cool | 15:45 |
| boris-42 | jd__ so we are searching for the best solution to do it step by step | 15:45 |
| boris-42 | jd__ because it will be impossible in one step to replace all migrations for example in nova=) | 15:45 |
| jd__ | indeed | 15:45 |
| boris-42 | jd__ so we have to find the right way to do it step by step=) | 15:46 |
| boris-42 | jd__ also we would like to implement some new features | 15:46 |
| boris-42 | jd__ to use Agent not only on compute_node but also inside the VMs | 15:46 |
| boris-42 | jd__ but I couldn't give you a some drafts of plan because we are still investigating this thing | 15:47 |
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| boris-42 | jd__ are you interested in such things, just theoretically?) | 15:47 |
| jd__ | boris-42: probably | 15:48 |
| jd__ | we have a mechanism so user can publish their own samples via the API | 15:48 |
| boris-42 | jd__ ok then we will work around paper to have something for discussion | 15:48 |
| jd__ | boris-42: ack, feel free to build a blueprint or enhance an existing one | 15:49 |
| boris-42 | jd__ thanks | 15:49 |
| gordc | quick note: we got multiple patches for updating keystoneclient version requirements, can we agree on one? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/36396/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/36561/ | 15:49 |
| jd__ | then you can bring such things on the meeting's agenda | 15:49 |
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| jd__ | gordc: too late I think https://review.openstack.org/#/c/36396/ won | 15:49 |
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| gordc | jd__, darn, saved that msg too long.lol | 15:50 |
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| gordc | nm, carry on. | 15:50 |
| jd__ | dhellmann: also https://review.openstack.org/#/c/36465/ should be approved quickly I guess if you've a minute | 15:50 |
| jd__ | gordc: haha | 15:50 |
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| gordc | +1, 36465 patch works for me. | 15:51 |
| dhellmann | approved | 15:51 |
| jd__ | thanks dhellmann | 15:51 |
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| gordc | yay | 15:51 |
| jd__ | wrapping up in a minute now if there's nothing left | 15:51 |
| terriyu | oh, I'm the intern that's hanging around, in case anyone is wondering | 15:52 |
| terriyu | let me know if I screw anything up | 15:52 |
| eglynn | terriyu: hi! | 15:52 |
| jd__ | terriyu: :) | 15:52 |
| terriyu | jd__ is my mentor. I think my official internship runs through September 23 | 15:52 |
| dhellmann | hi, terriyu | 15:52 |
| terriyu | It's been fun so far and I look forward to working with all of you | 15:53 |
| nealph | welcome, terriyu! | 15:53 |
| terriyu | I studied physics for a long time, so part of my interest in OpenStack is how it can be used for science | 15:54 |
| terriyu | ping me if you'd like to talk about that :) | 15:54 |
| terriyu | or anything else :) | 15:55 |
| llu-laptop | terriyu: welcome | 15:55 |
| eglynn | terriyu: if you can see any specific opportunities to apply your analytical background to ceilo, that would be welcome! | 15:55 |
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| jd__ | time to wrap up guys | 15:59 |
| jd__ | see you on -metering! | 15:59 |
| jd__ | #endmeeting | 15:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jul 11 15:59:32 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ceilometer/2013/ceilometer.2013-07-11-15.00.html | 15:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ceilometer/2013/ceilometer.2013-07-11-15.00.txt | 15:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ceilometer/2013/ceilometer.2013-07-11-15.00.log.html | 15:59 |
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| jd__ | eglynn: I'm sure we'll need terriyu to meter neutron! :-) | 16:00 |
| terriyu | neutron? | 16:00 |
| terriyu | oh ok :) | 16:01 |
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| nealph | terriyu: your first task is to develop a decoder ring for all the name changes going on in the projects. | 16:01 |
| nealph | :) | 16:01 |
| nealph | trove, neutron, ironic. | 16:01 |
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| nealph | aaaand go! | 16:02 |
| terriyu | nealph: haha | 16:02 |
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| afazekas | hi | 16:59 |
| mkoderer | Hi | 17:00 |
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| psedlak_ | hi | 17:01 |
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| sdague | hey folks, who's here for the meeting? | 17:03 |
| mtreinish | I am | 17:03 |
| mlavalle | I am | 17:03 |
| mkoderer | I am | 17:03 |
| sdague | #startmeeting qa | 17:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jul 11 17:03:58 2013 UTC. The chair is sdague. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:04 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'qa' | 17:04 |
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| sdague | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/QATeamMeeting | 17:04 |
| sdague | ok, lets get rolling with the agenda | 17:04 |
| dwalleck | And me | 17:04 |
| sdague | #topic QA Program Business | 17:04 |
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| sdague | so QA is now an official program, which means we need a PTL and a program description | 17:05 |
| sdague | I believe I'm still the only PTL nominee as of this meeting, so is there any objection to closing the nominations? | 17:05 |
| mtreinish | sdague: nope, congrats | 17:06 |
| dwalleck | nope, sounds like a good idea to me | 17:06 |
| mlavalle | sdague: congrats Mr. PTL | 17:06 |
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| sdague | ok, thanks :) | 17:06 |
| afazekas | sdague: congrats | 17:06 |
| sdague | ok, topic 2 in QA | 17:06 |
| sdague | #info sdague officially now QA PTL | 17:07 |
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| sdague | ok, next topic that is | 17:07 |
| sdague | #topic QA Program Description | 17:07 |
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| sdague | I think we've got a pretty fruitful email thread going on on this one | 17:07 |
| sdague | so I'd mostly like to just highlight that, and ask people to participate in it if they have other ideas | 17:07 |
| sdague | I'll try to assimilate it all tomorrow into a mission statement we can take forward to the TC | 17:08 |
| sdague | and get another round of feedback on it | 17:08 |
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| mtreinish | sdague: ok, sounds good to me | 17:08 |
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| sdague | if you haven't been on the ML thread it's here - http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-qa/2013-July/000602.html | 17:09 |
| sdague | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-qa/2013-July/000602.html | 17:09 |
| afazekas | sdague: IMHO tools should be generally useabel both for upstream and downstream usage | 17:09 |
| sdague | afazekas: ok, you want to get back on the thread there? | 17:09 |
| sdague | I think that's the right place to drive the discussion | 17:09 |
| sdague | as it lets everyone participate | 17:09 |
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| afazekas | sdague: yes | 17:10 |
| sdague | cool, great | 17:10 |
| dwalleck | afazekas: Agreed. A tool is just a tool. It should be flexible enough to use anywhere | 17:10 |
| sdague | ok, so lets get to Blueprints | 17:10 |
| sdague | #topic Blueprints | 17:11 |
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| sdague | #link https://launchpad.net/tempest/+milestone/havana-2 | 17:11 |
| mtreinish | sdague: when is the h2 deadline? | 17:12 |
| sdague | can people provide #info updates to blueprints they are working | 17:12 |
| sdague | h2 is a week from now | 17:12 |
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| sdague | #info h2 happens July 18 | 17:12 |
| sdague | let's at least ping folks on the high and up ones | 17:13 |
| sdague | mtreinish: how's testr looking? | 17:13 |
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| mtreinish | sdague: so I've respun the testrepository patch based on lifeless's review | 17:13 |
| sdague | afazekas: how's the leak detection looking? | 17:13 |
| afazekas | I have small POC code , where I can add new detecors/monitors by 5-8 lines https://review.openstack.org/#/c/35516/, I before I am starting puppuliation it with new detectors, I would like to knw is the basic frame ok or not | 17:13 |
| mtreinish | it's pending for review: https://code.launchpad.net/~treinish/testrepository/testrepository-group-regex/+merge/173749 | 17:13 |
| mtreinish | I also have a tempest patch using that approach to move over run_tests.sh and not gating tox jobs to use testr --parallel pending | 17:14 |
| sdague | afazekas: ok, I'll take a look this afternoon on the patch | 17:14 |
| mtreinish | I can push it as WIP but it won't work unless you patch testr with those commits | 17:14 |
| sdague | #info review requested on afazekas' leak detector patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/35516/ | 17:14 |
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| sdague | #info testr work awaiting review on testr code change - https://code.launchpad.net/~treinish/testrepository/testrepository-group-regex/+merge/173749 | 17:15 |
| sdague | mtreinish: yeh the WIP might be nice for folks to just see | 17:15 |
| afazekas | mtreinish: can we add temporary testr fork to tempest, until your patch not merged ? | 17:15 |
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| mtreinish | afazekas: I guess we could, but I'm reluctant to do that if lifeless comes back with more changes it'll just diverge more when I make the changes | 17:16 |
| sdague | afazekas: I think we should avoid that, as we'll be doing dual maintenance until testr gets the features | 17:16 |
| mtreinish | sdague: ok, I'll push it out after the meeting | 17:16 |
| afazekas | ok | 17:16 |
| sdague | adalbas: you have an update on the grenade enablement in the gate? | 17:16 |
| sdague | I think that's the last high priority blueprint that's up there that we've got folks around for | 17:17 |
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| sdague | ok, well lets move on to reviews | 17:18 |
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| sdague | #topic Critical Reviews | 17:18 |
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| afazekas | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/33211/ | 17:19 |
| sdague | ok, critical reviews people want to get more eyes on? | 17:19 |
| sdague | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/33211/ | 17:19 |
| sdague | afazekas: ok, I'll relook at that | 17:20 |
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| sdague | as I'm the only one blocking it | 17:20 |
| afazekas | I do not really see why we need this kind of tests in tempest | 17:20 |
| afazekas | sdague: ok, thx | 17:20 |
| afazekas | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/35165/ | 17:20 |
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| sdague | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/35165/ | 17:21 |
| sdague | ok, I'm openning up tabs to go take a look post meeting | 17:21 |
| sdague | any other critical reviews? | 17:21 |
| afazekas | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/36367/ | 17:21 |
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| dwalleck | Is this supposed to be some sort of state-machine like verification? | 17:22 |
| sdague | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/36367/ | 17:22 |
| afazekas | The real heat scenario tests needs a lot of time, how we will be able to handle it | 17:22 |
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| afazekas | Probably the same will be true for the ceilometer tests | 17:22 |
| sdague | afazekas: so we were actually discussing heat and ceilo in -infra yesterday | 17:23 |
| sdague | I think we're going to try to handle ceilo by decorators on existing tests, dhellmann_ liked the idea, and was going to propose something | 17:23 |
| afazekas | cool | 17:24 |
| sdague | for heat, I think we might want to make a separate heat gate job. But we'll see. | 17:24 |
| sdague | I guess a big part of landing those heat tests is if the testr patch is accepted and we can get that in within a week | 17:24 |
| sdague | if so we can just hold the heat patch until it's ready | 17:24 |
| sdague | otherwise we should come up with an alternative that lets them be in the gate | 17:25 |
| afazekas | ok, BTW: I tried to but together what I know about the heat tests .. : https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Blueprint-add-basic-heat-tests , I would like confirm it with heat devs | 17:25 |
| sdague | afazekas: great | 17:25 |
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| sdague | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Blueprint-add-basic-heat-tests heat test information | 17:25 |
| sdague | ok, any other reviews? | 17:25 |
| sdague | #topic Stress Tests in CI | 17:26 |
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| sdague | was this a dkranz thing? or a jog0-away thing? | 17:26 |
| sdague | that's not promissing that neither are around, maybe we skip and see if jog0-away or someone else pops back up in a bit | 17:27 |
| afazekas | mkoderer: ^^^ | 17:27 |
| mtreinish | sdague: dunno, but I setup a periodic for the stress tests last week | 17:27 |
| mtreinish | there is a tox job that gets used for it so if there are new stress tests just add them to the tox job | 17:28 |
| sdague | mkoderer: is that your thing? | 17:28 |
| mkoderer | no it's not | 17:28 |
| sdague | which I also see at the end of the agenda | 17:28 |
| sdague | ok, well why don't we take your topic now too, as it seems like it's related | 17:28 |
| mkoderer | I know that dkranz wanted to do something with CI and stress tests | 17:28 |
| mkoderer | yes sure | 17:28 |
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| sdague | mkoderer: or should we just take it to the mailing list because dkranz isn't around, and we want to get him in on it as well? | 17:29 |
| afazekas | IMHO we should add more stress periodic jobs in the future.. | 17:29 |
| hemna | so a while back we wrote a cinder stress test to bang on our 3par drivers. we recently published it on github | 17:29 |
| afazekas | As I remember an another stress test was proposed on the mailing list | 17:29 |
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| sdague | yeh, I really think like we've got the proliferation of different but similar approaches | 17:29 |
| hemna | we've been running it to find issues w/ our drivers and cinder and nova | 17:29 |
| mkoderer | sdague: I spoke to dkranz we can discuss it here now | 17:30 |
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| sdague | mkoderer: go for it | 17:30 |
| afazekas | IMHO, nowadays the openstack has too many race issue, so we should put more effort on the stress testing .. | 17:30 |
| mkoderer | so we are planning a stress test for the new backup function in cinder | 17:30 |
| mkoderer | so question .. .what is the right tool? ;) | 17:31 |
| sdague | hemna: so how similar, or different is it from the stress stuff in tempest today? | 17:31 |
| mkoderer | I think tempest stress test looks quite good | 17:31 |
| hemna | I haven't seen the tempest stress stuff yet | 17:31 |
| sdague | hemna: can you take a look? | 17:31 |
| hemna | sure | 17:31 |
| mkoderer | so I already put a new test for review | 17:31 |
| sdague | it would be nice if we could figure out a way to have everyone playing in one stress test tree | 17:32 |
| hemna | here is our stress tool FWIW : https://github.com/terry7/openstack-stress.git | 17:32 |
| mkoderer | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/36652/ | 17:32 |
| hemna | sdague, +1 | 17:32 |
| mtreinish | hemna: they're here: https://github.com/openstack/tempest/tree/master/tempest/stress | 17:32 |
| sdague | so we don't duplicate infrastructure | 17:32 |
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| afazekas | the tempest test stuff is simpler, but configurable. The tool I saw on the ML was more complex, but less flexible | 17:32 |
| hemna | mtreinish, thanks | 17:32 |
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| afazekas | I see good values in both tool | 17:32 |
| sdague | right, I guess are they resolvable to meet everyone's needs? | 17:32 |
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| sdague | because maintaining 2+ tools for this is silly | 17:32 |
| hemna | yah | 17:33 |
| sdague | if we can avoid it | 17:33 |
| afazekas | sdague: It would't be an easy job | 17:33 |
| hemna | we wrote ours just as a quick and dirty tool to get the job done, and then we found it useful for finding issues | 17:33 |
| sdague | hemna, mkoderer: I guess can I ask you two to get together over the next week and figure out if we could merge these efforts in some way? | 17:33 |
| afazekas | we would need to increase the complexity | 17:33 |
| hemna | I'd be willing to work on a stress tool, as it has great benefit for us as well as the community as a whole | 17:33 |
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| afazekas | cool | 17:34 |
| adalbas | sdague, sorry, just joined now. | 17:34 |
| mkoderer | sdague: yes sure! | 17:34 |
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| sdague | afazekas: well we could also spin the stress directory out of tempest if it would be dragging too much complexity there | 17:34 |
| sdague | as a program we don't need to be just one git tree | 17:34 |
| sdague | and we'll already be 2 really soon, grenade is going to fall under this program, dtroyer and I just need to work out a groups thing in gerrit | 17:34 |
| afazekas | :), It will not be a too big difference | 17:35 |
| adalbas | i have an update on grenade job in the gate, sdague | 17:35 |
| sdague | adalbas: ok, lets come back around in a minute on that | 17:35 |
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| sdague | hemna: ok, you up for taking some time this week with mkoderer to figure out if things could merge together? | 17:35 |
| sdague | I don't want to volunteer folks for things unless they have the time :) | 17:36 |
| hemna | so the tempest test, is there a way to focus the testing on one component? say I want to stress cinder only | 17:36 |
| afazekas | So the tempest stress tool can similar stress, but in different way. | 17:36 |
| hemna | or does it run against the entire OS suite ? | 17:36 |
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| hemna | sdague, yah I'll take a look at the tempest stress tool and see if it can do what my tool does | 17:36 |
| sdague | hemna: cool, thanks | 17:37 |
| mkoderer | hemna: currently there are just 2 test inside | 17:37 |
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| afazekas | hemna: the basic concept of the tempest stress tool you can define worker threads with peridic stress job | 17:37 |
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| afazekas | for cinder it would be great if it would read the cinder's log file as well | 17:37 |
| hemna | I would suppose there would be 'plugins' for each OS component | 17:37 |
| sdague | #todo hemna and mkoderer to look at the possibility of making https://github.com/terry7/openstack-stress.git and https://github.com/openstack/tempest/tree/master/tempest/stress be able to become one approach | 17:37 |
| hemna | and possibly parameterize the run to say...I want to test these OS components only... | 17:38 |
| sdague | we'll put this back on the agenda for next week to check in on what people found | 17:38 |
| afazekas | hema: https://github.com/openstack/tempest/blob/master/tempest/stress/actions/volume_create_delete.py | 17:38 |
| hemna | sdague, ok | 17:38 |
| dwalleck | I'd definitely like to see some more flexibility in stress testing. What I'm interested in is combinations/randomization of load. That's when things get interesting | 17:38 |
| sdague | #todo revisit stress testing next week | 17:38 |
| hemna | I don't see why it can't meet everyone's needs in 1 tool/codebase | 17:38 |
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| sdague | hemna: we should be able to poke just one component, I think that should be a design point | 17:38 |
| hemna | I've found race conditions in my FibreChannel code in Nova due to my tool. been very helpful | 17:38 |
| sdague | cool | 17:39 |
| hemna | sdague, yah I agree. | 17:39 |
| sdague | ok, great | 17:39 |
| sdague | ok, lets move onto the last topic then | 17:39 |
| sdague | #topic Full Open Stack networking gate job | 17:39 |
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| sdague | anyone around from neutron, or anyone working on that about? | 17:39 |
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| sdague | you know I think I'll need to start asking folks to put their names next to agenda items :) | 17:40 |
| afazekas | I added this topic to the agenda | 17:40 |
| sdague | ok, cool | 17:40 |
| sdague | afazekas: the floor is yours | 17:40 |
| afazekas | What is missing to have a full neutron voting gate job ? | 17:40 |
| afazekas | As I see tens of test cases are failing for ~7 reason | 17:41 |
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| sdague | the biggest issue is API issues where neutron causes different error codes when called via nova | 17:41 |
| nati_ueno | hi are you talking about gating issues now? | 17:41 |
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| sdague | nati_ueno: no, though I was about to bring that up | 17:41 |
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| afazekas | Can we skip those with bug until they are fixed ? | 17:42 |
| sdague | because we're about to be non voting on neutron at all | 17:42 |
| nati_ueno | sdague: gotcha | 17:42 |
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| sdague | afazekas: the problem is no one is working to fix them | 17:42 |
| mlavalle | sdague, afazekas: i've been working on fixing some of those issues | 17:42 |
| sdague | ok, sorry :) | 17:42 |
| mlavalle | in fact, I have a review pending | 17:42 |
| afazekas | Do we track / group those issues in anyway ? | 17:42 |
| mlavalle | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/35724/ | 17:42 |
| mlavalle | that is aimed at one of those issues | 17:43 |
| afazekas | I reported one today .. | 17:43 |
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| sdague | mlavalle: great | 17:43 |
| mlavalle | sdague: there is also Jordan Pittier working on this | 17:43 |
| sdague | #info please review - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/35724/ | 17:43 |
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| mlavalle | sdague; I will ping him to see what progress he has achieved | 17:44 |
| mlavalle | on the isues | 17:44 |
| mlavalle | he is working on | 17:44 |
| sdague | mlavalle: yes, jordan seemed to get blocked recently though, as he wend back down the path of special casing tempest, which I really don't agree with | 17:44 |
| sdague | nova v2 api can't return different values with neutron in the backend if we want to provide a seemless migration path for people | 17:44 |
| mlavalle | sdague: I will review the email thread as see how can I help | 17:44 |
| sdague | mlavalle: cool, thanks | 17:44 |
| afazekas | IMHO we should have an etherpad or wikipage or blueprint or something, where we track the full neutron gate blocker issues | 17:45 |
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| mlavalle | afazekas: We already have one ether pad. I will resend it to the ML | 17:46 |
| afazekas | mlavalle: cool, thank you | 17:46 |
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| sdague | mlavalle: great, do we have a blueprint for this? | 17:46 |
| mlavalle | sdague: no, I've been working off of the etherpad | 17:47 |
| sdague | so can you make a blueprint as well | 17:47 |
| sdague | link it to the etherpad | 17:47 |
| mlavalle | sdague: sure | 17:47 |
| sdague | but we can track it as a high priority item to revisit each week | 17:47 |
| afazekas | cool :) | 17:47 |
| sdague | great | 17:47 |
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| mlavalle | sdague; please add it as a todo to this meetings log | 17:48 |
| sdague | so one other thing... we're actually about to turn off voting on neutron entirely | 17:48 |
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| sdague | #todo mlavalle create a blueprint for full neutron gate tests | 17:48 |
| sdague | because there is a neutron flakey bug with at least 124 rechecks on it | 17:49 |
| sdague | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1194026 | 17:49 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1194026 in neutron "check_public_network_connectivity fails with timeout" [Critical,Confirmed] | 17:49 |
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| sdague | nati_ueno: you were poking at this last night, any updates on it? | 17:49 |
| afazekas | sdague: that neuron recheck bug is very annoying, may be enough to skip just that one | 17:49 |
| nati_ueno | sorry, no. I'm writing stress code for floating ip | 17:49 |
| sdague | afazekas: so the concern was that the neutron team couldn't reproduce locally | 17:50 |
| sdague | which means if we skip it in the gate, it's impossible to debug | 17:50 |
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| sdague | so instead the approach was to make neutron non voting | 17:50 |
| sdague | nati_ueno: ok, no problem, someone said you were working on it earlier | 17:50 |
| afazekas | sdague: my problem I frequently trigger an another issue when I try to reproduce a race issue .. :( | 17:50 |
| nati_ueno | Sorry for inconvenience. Mark and I'm OK for non-vonting now | 17:50 |
| afazekas | But I will try it | 17:51 |
| nati_ueno | Mark and Gary and me is at least working on this issue as a top priority | 17:51 |
| afazekas | sdague: BTW: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/33932/ | 17:51 |
| afazekas | I usually using tracers what needs to run from the beginning | 17:51 |
| sdague | afazekas: right, I think part of the issue is neutron logging doesn't seem very sufficient in the gate, which is making it harder to debug. Might end up needing some enhancements to neutron to make that better to get to problems quick in the gate | 17:51 |
| afazekas | That is the reasion why that change would be helpfull for me | 17:52 |
| sdague | afazekas: ok, let me ponder that | 17:52 |
| sdague | the reality is, when we hit these kinds of races in nova, we can usually get really close to the issue with just the debug logs | 17:53 |
| afazekas | I have doubts this time tracing just single process is enough, maybe I will need to use sytemtap .. | 17:53 |
| sdague | so I'd hope we could do the same with neutron | 17:53 |
| sdague | ok, I think we're good there for now | 17:53 |
| sdague | #topic Open Discussion | 17:54 |
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| sdague | any other items? | 17:54 |
| sdague | going once | 17:55 |
| sdague | going twice | 17:55 |
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| sdague | ok, thanks for joining everyone, we'll see you on #openstack-qa | 17:55 |
| sdague | #endmeeting | 17:55 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jul 11 17:55:53 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:55 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2013/qa.2013-07-11-17.03.html | 17:55 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2013/qa.2013-07-11-17.03.txt | 17:55 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2013/qa.2013-07-11-17.03.log.html | 17:55 |
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| bdpayne | #startmeeting OpenStack Security Group | 18:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jul 11 18:00:15 2013 UTC. The chair is bdpayne. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: OpenStack Security Group)" | 18:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_security_group' | 18:00 |
| bdpayne | good morning security group | 18:00 |
| nicolae__ | Good evening :-) | 18:00 |
| bdpayne | :-) | 18:00 |
| bdpayne | we've taken a few weeks off here, and I'm hoping to ramp things up again | 18:01 |
| bdpayne | so lots to discuss today | 18:01 |
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| bdpayne | first, who do we have in the meeting? | 18:01 |
| bdpayne | Bryan from Nebula here | 18:01 |
| rlp | Good Afternoon | 18:01 |
| rlp | Randy Perryman from Dell | 18:01 |
| bdpayne | hi randy | 18:02 |
| nicolae__ | Nicolae, sics | 18:02 |
| bdpayne | ok, great | 18:02 |
| bdpayne | I'm sure others will join in as we go along too | 18:02 |
| bdpayne | #topic Annoucements | 18:02 |
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| bdpayne | First, I wanted to make sure that everyone is aware of the mailing list | 18:03 |
| bdpayne | http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-security | 18:03 |
| bdpayne | This is where security related announcements go, along with notifications about OpenStack bugs that need security team review | 18:03 |
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| bdpayne | also a fine place for security discussion | 18:04 |
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| bdpayne | I'd encourage everyone in OSSG to join that list | 18:04 |
| bdpayne | Also, Rob put together the initial pieces for a security wiki web page | 18:04 |
| bdpayne | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Security | 18:04 |
| rlp | ty | 18:05 |
| bdpayne | I'd like to build this out to be a nice landing page for people interested in openstack security | 18:05 |
| bdpayne | and then perhaps have a subpage that is full of suggestions for people wanted to get involved in OSSG | 18:06 |
| bdpayne | nicolae__ said he could help with this | 18:06 |
| bdpayne | right? :-) | 18:06 |
| bdpayne | #action nicolae__ to help fill out the wiki pages | 18:07 |
| nicolae__ | Right :) | 18:07 |
| bdpayne | #topic Security Guide | 18:07 |
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| bdpayne | If you haven't heard the news yet, the security guide book sprint was a big success | 18:08 |
| bdpayne | http://docs.openstack.org/sec/ | 18:08 |
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| bdpayne | We'll be getting a pdf and html up there shortly | 18:08 |
| rlp | thanks | 18:08 |
| rlp | I just saw this and now to read... | 18:08 |
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| bdpayne | This was really a huge effort by a great team of people | 18:08 |
| bdpayne | I think it's a great first cut | 18:09 |
| bdpayne | But there's plenty of places where it can be improved | 18:09 |
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| bdpayne | So I would encourage others to contribute back to the guide… anything from grammatical edits to new chapters | 18:09 |
| bdpayne | https://github.com/openstack/openstack-manuals/tree/master/doc/src/docbkx/openstack-security-guide | 18:09 |
| bdpayne | ^^ The book is in docbook source and held in that github repo ^^ | 18:09 |
| uvirtbot | bdpayne: Error: "^" is not a valid command. | 18:09 |
| bdpayne | sorry about that bot | 18:09 |
| bdpayne | any questions about the book? | 18:10 |
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| bdpayne | ok, I'll push ahead | 18:11 |
| bdpayne | #topic Reviewing open security issues | 18:11 |
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| bdpayne | So there's a lot of code that needs security reviews | 18:11 |
| bdpayne | The mailing list is a great way to get plugged into this | 18:12 |
| bdpayne | But I wanted to call to the attention of the group here some specific itema | 18:12 |
| bdpayne | s/itema/items/ | 18:12 |
| bdpayne | the APL team (who couldn't make the meeting today) have done a lot of work on Volume encryption | 18:13 |
| bdpayne | and this work is ready for review now | 18:13 |
| bdpayne | unfortunately, they haven't been getting as many eyes as they would like | 18:13 |
| bdpayne | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/30973/ | 18:13 |
| bdpayne | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/30974/ | 18:13 |
| bdpayne | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/30976/ | 18:13 |
| bdpayne | There's the links | 18:13 |
| bdpayne | I would encourage people to spend some time reviewing those | 18:14 |
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| bdpayne | You can find other things that need review by checking the security mailing list archives and/or by search the various projects for security tags | 18:15 |
| bdpayne | list archives are here http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-security/ | 18:15 |
| bdpayne | security tagged items look like: https://bugs.launchpad.net/keystone/+bugs?field.tag=security | 18:15 |
| bdpayne | similar link for other projects | 18:15 |
| bdpayne | for example | 18:16 |
| bdpayne | https://bugs.launchpad.net/keystone/+bugs?field.tag=security | 18:16 |
| bdpayne | for OSSG members that want to get involved with code-level contributions, this is a great place to get started | 18:16 |
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| bdpayne | any questions about these? | 18:17 |
| bdpayne | you guys are quiet today :-) | 18:17 |
| bdpayne | ok, pushing forward | 18:17 |
| rlp | :) | 18:17 |
| bdpayne | #topic Ongoing security projects | 18:18 |
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| bdpayne | There's a few ongoing projects to mention | 18:18 |
| bdpayne | Unfortunately, the people with knowledge on the current status aren't here today | 18:18 |
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| bdpayne | There's the volume encryption work that I mentioned above | 18:19 |
| bdpayne | There's also work on a key manager | 18:19 |
| malini1 | Greetings, sorry to join late | 18:19 |
| bdpayne | contacts for the key manager work include Jerret Raim (Rackspace) and malini1 | 18:19 |
| bdpayne | nice timing malini1 :-) care to give an update on the key manager work? | 18:20 |
| malini1 | going well, very few bugs left | 18:20 |
| bdpayne | on track for H? | 18:21 |
| malini1 | the thing that concerns me more is no reviews of the volume encryption patches | 18:21 |
| bdpayne | need any review eyes or ?? | 18:21 |
| bdpayne | fair… so let's focus resources there | 18:21 |
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| malini1 | absolutely need review eyes, those are languishing and they are the proof of the pudding | 18:21 |
| bdpayne | sounds good | 18:21 |
| malini1 | there are 3 a-- all by joel C | 18:22 |
| bdpayne | yeah, I've got links above | 18:22 |
| bdpayne | so they will be in the meeting transcripts | 18:22 |
| malini1 | :-) | 18:22 |
| bdpayne | other thing worth mentioning in ongoing work is something that came out of the book sprint | 18:23 |
| bdpayne | while writing the book, the team captured a variety of security shortcomings in openstack | 18:23 |
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| bdpayne | I'll be working with the book sprint team to triage these and figure out how to handle each one | 18:23 |
| bdpayne | These will end up as a collection of blueprints, bugs, security notes, etc | 18:24 |
| malini1 | and a thought on libvirt connection, there is readonly mode which does not need credentials and one which needs credentials | 18:24 |
| bdpayne | so be watching here for updates on those in the coming weeks | 18:24 |
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| malini1 | it can be a pain to prompt and provide, but should this be something that is enforced | 18:24 |
| bdpayne | malini1 perhaps a worthwhile OSSN? | 18:24 |
| bdpayne | would you like to work with Rob on that? | 18:25 |
| malini1 | a use case of libvirt connection is to obtain stats on cpu usage | 18:25 |
| malini1 | sure | 18:25 |
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| bdpayne | #action malini1 to work with Rob on OSSN for libvirt authentication best practices | 18:26 |
| bdpayne | #action bdpayne to work with book sprint team to push out security issues identified during the sprint | 18:27 |
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| bdpayne | #topic Open Discussion | 18:27 |
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| bdpayne | that's all I have for today… anything else that people would like to discuss? | 18:27 |
| malini1 | BTW -- there is a pitch for geo tagging in NIST .. something to watch | 18:27 |
| bdpayne | link? | 18:27 |
| malini1 | one second | 18:27 |
| malini1 | http://csrc.nist.gov/groups/SMA/forum/documents/april2013presentations/forum_april_11_2013_bartock.pdf http://csrc.nist.gov/publications/drafts/ir7904/draft_nistir_7904.pdf | 18:28 |
| malini1 | it is all fluffy right now, nothing implemented | 18:28 |
| bdpayne | interesting | 18:28 |
| bdpayne | what's the goal there? | 18:28 |
| bdpayne | to know where the cloud resources are located? | 18:28 |
| malini1 | basically folks want to control where their payload runs, where their data is stored to meet | 18:28 |
| malini1 | regulation requirements | 18:28 |
| bdpayne | makes sense | 18:28 |
| malini1 | to truely now where machien is located needs GPS (which will not work in a bunker somewhere) | 18:28 |
| malini1 | also those GPS co-ordinates have to be mapped to a country | 18:29 |
| malini1 | and sub-area (say embassy in a foreign land or in international airspace or waters) which maynot be an issue | 18:29 |
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| malini1 | for data center | 18:29 |
| malini1 | and all server chips today do not have GPS while phones etc do | 18:30 |
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| malini1 | may have to trust admin who deploys machine | 18:30 |
| bdpayne | ok, thanks for the pointer | 18:30 |
| bdpayne | that all we have time for today | 18:30 |
| malini1 | to certify where it is located, and sign it | 18:30 |
| nicolae__ | There were some research publications on this topic too, don't have the links right now, can send them if interested | 18:30 |
| malini1 | please do, thanks | 18:31 |
| bdpayne | sure, perhaps start a thread on the securty mailing list | 18:31 |
| nicolae__ | Ok, will do | 18:31 |
| bdpayne | thanks | 18:31 |
| bdpayne | have a great week everyone | 18:31 |
| malini1 | bye | 18:31 |
| bdpayne | #endmeeting | 18:31 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jul 11 18:31:41 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:31 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_security_group/2013/openstack_security_group.2013-07-11-18.00.html | 18:31 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_security_group/2013/openstack_security_group.2013-07-11-18.00.txt | 18:31 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_security_group/2013/openstack_security_group.2013-07-11-18.00.log.html | 18:31 |
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| dripton | #startmeeting DB | 19:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jul 11 19:00:03 2013 UTC. The chair is dripton. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'db' | 19:00 |
| dripton | Who's here for the DB meeting? | 19:00 |
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| rpodolyaka1 | Hello, guys! | 19:00 |
| vsergeyev | hi All | 19:00 |
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| dripton | Is boris-42 around? | 19:01 |
| boris-42 | Hi all | 19:01 |
| dripton | russellb said he'd come | 19:01 |
| boris-42 | vsergeyev hI | 19:01 |
| dripton | #topic sqlalchemy-migrate vs. alembic | 19:01 |
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| boris-42 | vsergeyev pls remove code that is connected with db archiving from our sola utilites | 19:01 |
| russellb | o/ | 19:01 |
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| dripton | I don't know if you guys saw the thread on the openstack-dev ML but sqlalchemy-migrate is looking for a new maintainer. So we have to choose. | 19:02 |
| boris-42 | sqlalchemy-migrate is death and it sucks.. | 19:02 |
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| boris-42 | sory | 19:02 |
| boris-42 | sorry | 19:02 |
| dripton | Do we want to maintain it or do we want to switch to Alembic? | 19:02 |
| boris-42 | no | 19:02 |
| russellb | so when can we switch? :-) | 19:02 |
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| boris-42 | russellb at the moment we are switching in ceilometer | 19:02 |
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| russellb | neutron, at least, already uses alembic | 19:02 |
| boris-42 | russellb there is not so much bugs in migrations and not so much migrations and models | 19:02 |
| dripton | How many migrations does ceilometer have? | 19:02 |
| boris-42 | 10 | 19:03 |
| boris-42 | But we are working on step by step solution | 19:03 |
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| dripton | okay, so the hope is to finish that first and hope it scales to Nova after? | 19:03 |
| boris-42 | so that in one moment we have migrations with alembic and sql migate | 19:03 |
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| boris-42 | dripton yes we will continue our work in all projects | 19:03 |
| boris-42 | cinder, glance, nova | 19:04 |
| boris-42 | at least | 19:04 |
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| boris-42 | russellb what do you think about switching to alembic after fixing current models and migrations?) | 19:04 |
| mordred | should we take over sqlalchmey-migrate anyway? | 19:04 |
| mordred | our stable branches will still use it | 19:05 |
| boris-42 | mordred I would strongly preferred to do that | 19:05 |
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| boris-42 | only old stable branches | 19:05 |
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| russellb | the issues with models/migrations are separate from which tool we're using right? | 19:05 |
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| boris-42 | yes but we are not able to switch until we fix them | 19:05 |
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| russellb | right, so makes sense to keep doing that? | 19:06 |
| boris-42 | we should know exactly what our migrations produces | 19:06 |
| mordred | sure. but still, it'll be at least a year before we as a project could possibly not have any needs for sqla-migrate... that seems like too long for it to be abandonware | 19:06 |
| russellb | mordred: that's a good point... | 19:06 |
| russellb | mordred: as much as i hate it | 19:06 |
| dripton | mordred: I agree but I hate to volunteer to maintain code that's 1. bad 2. has lots of open bugs on it 3. not compatible with SQLAlchemy 0.8 | 19:06 |
| mordred | russellb: and then, once we stop caring - if someone else wants to care, it's not like we don't have the infrastructure to let them | 19:06 |
| boris-42 | mordred it is not enough big reason to shoot your legs.. | 19:07 |
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| mordred | well, we probably need to get it up to sqlalchemy 0.8 - I think 0.8 is kinda inevitable | 19:07 |
| mordred | how bad is it? /me cringes | 19:07 |
| dripton | there is allegedly a patch on github that brings it to 0.8, but I haven't tested it. | 19:07 |
| mordred | cool. well, that's a start | 19:07 |
| boris-42 | mordred it is f**cking terrible=) | 19:07 |
| boris-42 | i hate it=) | 19:07 |
| dripton | It's ugly but not huge. So at least it's a small about of ugly. | 19:08 |
| mordred | boris-42: excellent. my favorite kind of terrible code | 19:08 |
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| dripton | I do not want to volunteer to maintain it but if someone else does they have my full support. :-> | 19:08 |
| mordred | I'll work with zigo to get it moved somewhere. if we never patch it, then it's no different than now | 19:08 |
| mordred | but if we do, then great | 19:08 |
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| boris-42 | at moment we would like to write some monkey patches | 19:09 |
| dripton | What's wrong with leaving it at code.google.com? It's been there a long time and there are many bugs there. Moving it might be bad. | 19:09 |
| russellb | if we're maintaining it, it needs to be in our infrastructure | 19:09 |
| boris-42 | dripton mordred sqlalchemy-migrate is bad thing | 19:09 |
| mordred | yup | 19:09 |
| boris-42 | bad bad bad very bad thing | 19:09 |
| russellb | boris-42: but we're stuck using it for at least another year | 19:09 |
| boris-42 | and there is no communtiy | 19:09 |
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| russellb | that's reality | 19:10 |
| dripton | if we do that then we should consider moving all those bug reports to launchpad so we don't lose them. | 19:10 |
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| mordred | russellb: I agree. | 19:10 |
| boris-42 | btw | 19:10 |
| mordred | dripton: good point | 19:10 |
| boris-42 | there is some trick | 19:10 |
| boris-42 | we could back port | 19:10 |
| boris-42 | all migrations | 19:10 |
| boris-42 | if they do the same thing, and I will try to make garantie of that | 19:11 |
| boris-42 | we could just replace it all in stable branches | 19:11 |
| boris-42 | and use in stable branches Alembic | 19:11 |
| russellb | that's not going to fly ... | 19:11 |
| boris-42 | why? | 19:11 |
| boris-42 | just one patch set | 19:11 |
| russellb | nobody is going to be ok making such a drastic change to stable branches | 19:11 |
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| russellb | well, most poeople :-) | 19:12 |
| russellb | obviously you're ok with it, ha | 19:12 |
| boris-42 | it could be really good tested | 19:12 |
| russellb | i really don't think that's an option | 19:12 |
| dripton | yeah, we have to keep it alive for grizzly. If we can get to Alembic by havana final we've at least limited our pain. | 19:12 |
| boris-42 | on real data step by step | 19:12 |
| russellb | we don't let *any* new features in stable branches | 19:12 |
| boris-42 | it is not *new feature* | 19:12 |
| russellb | if we switched by havana, then it's less than a year until we're no longer using it | 19:12 |
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| boris-42 | btw why is it more safe to switch it in havana | 19:13 |
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| boris-42 | and it is not safe to switch it in grizzly stable branch? | 19:13 |
| russellb | because it's a new release, and that's when we make disruptive changes? | 19:13 |
| dripton | Havana is still in development. Nobody has production clusters on it yet. | 19:13 |
| boris-42 | russellb let me try to describe situation | 19:13 |
| boris-42 | russellb you have could that runs grizzly | 19:14 |
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| boris-42 | russellb you have done a tons of migrations | 19:14 |
| boris-42 | russellb then you are trying to move to havana | 19:14 |
| russellb | i'm sorry, but there's no way you can convince me that switching this in stable/grizzly is ok | 19:14 |
| boris-42 | russellb and half of migrations are replaced=) | 19:14 |
| boris-42 | ok, I just would like to explain situation | 19:15 |
| boris-42 | why I am so afraid to switch to something else without fully tested migrations and synced models with tons of tests=) | 19:15 |
| boris-42 | even in Havana | 19:15 |
| boris-42 | we should be very careful with this things =) | 19:16 |
| boris-42 | such* | 19:16 |
| dripton | We all agree that we should be really careful even in Havana. But there's no such thing as careful enough for Grizzly stable, since we promise not to add new features there. | 19:16 |
| boris-42 | Ok | 19:16 |
| boris-42 | I agree that it could be dangerous =) | 19:16 |
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| dripton | So do we have consensus that we're moving to Alembic in Havana, and taking over maintainership of sqlalchemy-migrate for legacy use? | 19:18 |
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| russellb | i personally don't necessarily have a strong tie to Alembic. It's just obvious that we need to *not* be using migrate | 19:18 |
| dripton | I don't know of a third option unless we want to write our own. Which would be well behind Alembic. | 19:19 |
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| boris-42 | Alembic is good because it has a community around it | 19:19 |
| russellb | and it's cool if there are 10 steps that need to be completed before we can move | 19:19 |
| boris-42 | And it is really much simpler to extend | 19:19 |
| russellb | but as long as it's on our radar for asap | 19:19 |
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| russellb | using a dead upstream is a really really bad position to be in | 19:19 |
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| dripton | I think I already have a blueprint for migrate -> alembic. I will update it since it has more urgency now, and send mail to the ML. | 19:20 |
| dripton | Unless someone else has a competing blueprint that they'd rather use? | 19:20 |
| boris-42 | we don't have but we have it on our road map | 19:21 |
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| dripton | #agreed move to Alembic in Havana | 19:21 |
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| dripton | next topic anyone? | 19:21 |
| boris-42 | I am not sure that we will be able to do it in Havana | 19:21 |
| boris-42 | without a tons of reviews | 19:21 |
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| boris-42 | russellb ^ | 19:22 |
| dripton | It sounds like we have to try hard or we're in danger of being stuck on sqlalchemy-migrate for another year. | 19:22 |
| russellb | yeah, it may be too late at this point | 19:22 |
| boris-42 | russellb we are able to make all code in Havana | 19:22 |
| russellb | we can only review so much | 19:23 |
| boris-42 | if you can | 19:23 |
| russellb | and it may be the kind of change that's better to land early in the cycle than right at the end | 19:23 |
| boris-42 | there is no problem+) | 19:23 |
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| russellb | need time to find any possible regressions | 19:23 |
| boris-42 | I could ask QA guys to test in every possible way | 19:23 |
| boris-42 | on real data | 19:24 |
| boris-42 | from real deployements | 19:24 |
| boris-42 | chose you destiny =) | 19:24 |
| boris-42 | russellb ^ | 19:24 |
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| russellb | if the code was ready this week maybe | 19:25 |
| russellb | otherwise i'm not terribly optimistic | 19:25 |
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| russellb | we already have 80+ blueprints on havana-3 | 19:25 |
| russellb | no way we can get that many in | 19:25 |
| russellb | adding another high risk one probably isn't an option | 19:25 |
| boris-42 | is it so problem to implement in I cycle | 19:26 |
| boris-42 | and wait for 1.5 year? for this moment?) | 19:26 |
| boris-42 | from* | 19:26 |
| russellb | that's probably the only option right now | 19:26 |
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| russellb | for nova anyway | 19:26 |
| boris-42 | russellb ok then we will get some experience in ceilometer | 19:27 |
| dripton | #agreed move nova to alembic in Icehouse. Too late for Havana. | 19:27 |
| dripton | next topic? | 19:27 |
| boris-42 | hm | 19:28 |
| boris-42 | db-archiving | 19:28 |
| dripton | boris-42 did we break the roadblock on getting your db code into oslo now that the archiving functions are out? | 19:28 |
| dripton | #topic db-archiving | 19:28 |
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| boris-42 | Ok we decide that db-archiving is not good enough for oslo DB code | 19:28 |
| boris-42 | so it should stay only in Nova for a moment | 19:29 |
| boris-42 | so we will remove our code from oslo sqlalchemy utilites | 19:29 |
| boris-42 | and I hope our utilities will be land to oslo | 19:29 |
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| boris-42 | So we will have, our sqlalchemy utilities and test_migrations in oslo | 19:30 |
| boris-42 | Also I have some question | 19:30 |
| boris-42 | As we are not able to move from sqlalchemy-migrate for a long period of time | 19:30 |
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| boris-42 | it makes sense to move to oslo also code that makes migrations | 19:30 |
| boris-42 | russellb ^ | 19:30 |
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| boris-42 | dripton ^ | 19:31 |
| dripton | But only some projects are using sqlalchemy-migrate, so there might be resistance to having it in oslo. | 19:31 |
| dripton | Like Neutron and now ceilometer won't use it. | 19:32 |
| boris-42 | yeah but to have N different wrappers around sqlalchemy-migarte is also not so good idea | 19:32 |
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| dripton | Well, I guess it's okay to propose it and see if they're okay with it. Though it would be good if there were an obvious parallel path for alembic. | 19:33 |
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| dripton | I have a controversial proposal. Is it okay to remove FK constraints so that db-archiving can clean up deleted instances with metadata (wrongly but necessarily) still pointing to them? | 19:34 |
| dripton | I kind of think no, because the tail of archiving should not wag the dog of the Nova db schema | 19:34 |
| dripton | bug it would let us fix bug #1183523 | 19:35 |
| dripton | #topic open discussion | 19:36 |
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| dripton | Anyone have anything else? | 19:36 |
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| rpodolyaka1 | I've been working on implementation of db-api-tests-on-all-backends | 19:36 |
| vsergeyev | I have a question about db-reconnect | 19:36 |
| rpodolyaka1 | mordred: could please take a look at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/33236/? | 19:37 |
| rpodolyaka1 | comments from anyone else are welcome too! | 19:37 |
| mordred | looking | 19:38 |
| dripton | rpodolyaka1: that looks great. We've needed that for a while. I'll take a close look later. | 19:38 |
| rpodolyaka1 | (as well as for any patches for this topic in Gerrit https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+branch:master+topic:bp/db-api-tests-on-all-backends,n,z) | 19:38 |
| rpodolyaka1 | mordred: I'm not sure that's the best way to run those tests... | 19:39 |
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| rpodolyaka1 | mordred: probably a better explanation is here http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2013-June/010763.html | 19:41 |
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| boris-42 | rpodolyaka1 I think that we shouldn't fix UC in Nova | 19:42 |
| boris-42 | rpodolyaka1 because that code is already in oslo | 19:43 |
| rpodolyaka1 | boris-42: yep, and don't we need to import those code from Oslo? | 19:43 |
| boris-42 | I think that we should wait until other code | 19:43 |
| rpodolyaka1 | I've been making a slow progress on running DB API tests on MySQL and PostgreSQL, there are a few patches on review fixing various issues. There are about 15-20 test cases still failing | 19:43 |
| boris-42 | that will be merged tomorrow when vsergeyev remove from it utilities that work with db archiving | 19:44 |
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| boris-42 | as we discussed before today (it it not ready to be implemented in all proejcts) | 19:44 |
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| boris-42 | So we will rethink it | 19:45 |
| boris-42 | rpodolyaka1 nice work | 19:45 |
| dripton | you might want to ask in #openstack-infra about the issues testing multiple DBs, since the cabal of infra geniuses hangs out there. | 19:46 |
| rpodolyaka1 | dripton: actually, I tried, but haven't received enough feedback | 19:47 |
| dripton | rpololyaka1: I fear that means the answer isn't obvious to anyone because you're doing trailblazing work. | 19:47 |
| dripton | but if we all go look at your patches, maybe someone will have good ideas. | 19:47 |
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| rpodolyaka1 | dription: sure! that's exactly what I'm looking for | 19:48 |
| vsergeyev | please can somebody look at blueprint db-reconnect implementation? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/33831/ | 19:48 |
| boris-42 | russellb dripton this is the almost patch set in db-api-tests https://review.openstack.org/#/c/33962/ | 19:48 |
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| boris-42 | almost last* | 19:48 |
| russellb | cool, may be able to have it done in h2 then | 19:49 |
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| boris-42 | and Unique Constraints also | 19:49 |
| boris-42 | how much days we have? | 19:49 |
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| rpodolyaka1 | boris-42: 7? | 19:50 |
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| boris-42 | i don't know=) | 19:50 |
| rpodolyaka1 | boris-42: if you are talking about H2 | 19:50 |
| boris-42 | yeah about H2 | 19:50 |
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| dripton | https://launchpad.net/nova/+milestone/havana-2 says 2013-07-18 | 19:51 |
| dripton | So very close | 19:51 |
| russellb | needs to be merged by the end of Tuesday | 19:51 |
| russellb | 18 is the release | 19:51 |
| russellb | so, 16 | 19:51 |
| boris-42 | If you help with reviews | 19:51 |
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| boris-42 | I think that all patches are already on review | 19:52 |
| boris-42 | But even if they are not we will finish it tomorrow | 19:52 |
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| dripton | #todo dripton send meeting minutes link to openstack-dev ML to try to get more reviewers | 19:52 |
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| dripton | Anyone have anything else? | 19:53 |
| vsergeyev | question about db reconnect ) | 19:53 |
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| vsergeyev | do we need procced situation when method could execute successfully in the database, but the connection could be dropped before the final status is sent to the client? | 19:54 |
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| rpodolyaka1 | vsergevev: it | 19:55 |
| rpodolyaka1 | vsergeyev: it's a real edge case, but data corruption is still possible... | 19:55 |
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| dripton | I don't know if databases let you handle that case where the connection drops at the very end. There would have to be a final handshake telling the server that the client got the status. | 19:56 |
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| boris-42 | sorry guys I have to go | 19:57 |
| vsergeyev | dripton, yes that's a question | 19:57 |
| dripton | It's a real concern but I don't think we should hold up your patch over it. If it's a problem in the real world there could be another fix later. | 19:57 |
| boris-42 | dription russellb Thanks for meeting | 19:57 |
| dripton | thanks boris-42 | 19:57 |
| vsergeyev | but its most unlikely situation | 19:57 |
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| vsergeyev | boris-42, bye | 19:57 |
| dripton | If your patch only fixes 90% of the problem and we need another one for the other 10% later, that seems like it's still going in the right direction. | 19:58 |
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| dripton | Anything else? We're almost out of time. | 19:59 |
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| dripton | Thanks everyone. | 19:59 |
| dripton | #endmeeting | 19:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jul 11 19:59:15 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/db/2013/db.2013-07-11-19.00.html | 19:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/db/2013/db.2013-07-11-19.00.txt | 19:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/db/2013/db.2013-07-11-19.00.log.html | 19:59 |
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| harlowja | #startmeeting state-management | 19:59 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jul 11 19:59:37 2013 UTC. The chair is harlowja. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:59 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:59 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'state_management' | 19:59 |
| harlowja | howday folks! | 19:59 |
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| harlowja | \o/ | 20:00 |
| jlucci1 | hola | 20:00 |
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| harlowja | cómo estás | 20:01 |
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| harlowja | Es este el canal español | 20:01 |
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| jlucci1 | Muy bien. Gracias. Y tu? | 20:01 |
| harlowja | mu bein | 20:01 |
| harlowja | haha | 20:01 |
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| harlowja | oh this is meeting time, not play around time, oops | 20:02 |
| jlucci1 | Si, si es el canal de espanol | 20:02 |
| jlucci1 | boo | 20:02 |
| harlowja | ha | 20:02 |
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| harlowja | been a long time, hope had good 4th | 20:03 |
| harlowja | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/state_management/2013/state_management.2013-06-27-20.00.html | 20:03 |
| harlowja | i made a few more tiny examples, nothing super major yet | 20:03 |
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| harlowja | #topic action-items | 20:03 |
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| * harlowja i made a few more tiny examples, nothing super major yet | 20:04 | |
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| harlowja | made https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Nova/TaskSystemRequirements brought that up during nova meeting, not much filled in there, guess i'll have to get creative and make more of my own nova requirements :( | 20:04 |
| harlowja | johnthetubaguy1 might get some time to help, but depends on how busy he is | 20:04 |
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| harlowja | kebray u have any luck with the 'see if someone from Trove can provide a high level sentence or two (and link to code) on their task execution code, desires around a common library, etc.' | 20:05 |
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| kebray | dough… let me ping mbasnight via email right now… will copy you. | 20:05 |
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| kebray | doh! sorry, got homemade pizza dough recipe on the brain… already planning ahead for the evening :-) | 20:06 |
| harlowja | np | 20:06 |
| harlowja | your brain has turned into pizza dough | 20:06 |
| harlowja | not good | 20:06 |
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| harlowja | u might want to get that checked out | 20:06 |
| kebray | nope.. not good at all. | 20:06 |
| kebray | Traveling… that's what happens. currently in ATL airport. | 20:06 |
| harlowja | ah | 20:06 |
| harlowja | friends don't let friends turn there brains into pizza dough | 20:07 |
| harlowja | anyway, i'll continue working on more examples | 20:07 |
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| harlowja | think that covers action items, adrian not around it seems | 20:08 |
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| harlowja | #topic status-check | 20:08 |
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| harlowja | so i've just been chugging away at the parallel flow, doing reviews, updating taskflow with some mini-changes | 20:09 |
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| harlowja | jlucci1 how's the distributed goodness going | 20:09 |
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| jlucci1 | Pretty good, pretty good. Only blocker left is the stuff I talked with you about yesterday | 20:10 |
| harlowja | ya, the user-code stuff | 20:10 |
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| harlowja | or user-tasks and imports and all that | 20:10 |
| jlucci1 | Yeah, so for right now, just working on forcing a user defined-task at woker startup | 20:10 |
| jlucci1 | worker * | 20:10 |
| jlucci1 | Yupyup | 20:11 |
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| jlucci1 | So, getting that in for the taskflow release | 20:11 |
| kchenweijie | hey, sorry im a bit late. didnt see the time | 20:11 |
| jlucci1 | Then going back to change the impl to make it more customizable | 20:11 |
| harlowja | sweet | 20:11 |
| harlowja | kchenweijie np | 20:11 |
| jlucci1 | after initial taskflow release | 20:11 |
| harlowja | ya jlucci1 i think we can spend quite a bit of time figuring out how to do what u guys want | 20:11 |
| harlowja | in a way that won't require making a new python sandbox | 20:12 |
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| jlucci1 | Yeah, I feel like this might be a couple-day's worth of discussion type thing | 20:12 |
| harlowja | just depends on what u really want users to be able to do | 20:12 |
| harlowja | arbitiray code execution *scary* | 20:12 |
| jlucci1 | So, just getting this first pass in so distributed exists | 20:12 |
| jlucci1 | Then going back and having all the fun talks. haha | 20:12 |
| harlowja | sweet | 20:13 |
| harlowja | u guys are coming to CA so we can have that fun then :-p | 20:13 |
| harlowja | i think thats still happening, kebray ? | 20:13 |
| jlucci1 | It better be - I already bought my plane tickets. ha | 20:13 |
| harlowja | lol | 20:13 |
| harlowja | cool | 20:13 |
| harlowja | well sounds pretty good, how much longer u think for that first pass? | 20:14 |
| kebray | Yeah, it's a definite.. Thursday July 25 | 20:14 |
| harlowja | k | 20:14 |
| harlowja | thx kebray | 20:14 |
| harlowja | i'll try not to die in NY | 20:14 |
| kebray | harlowja, you are welcome to visit the RS office Friday if you want. | 20:14 |
| jlucci1 | I'm just building up test cases at this point/hammering out fine details | 20:14 |
| harlowja | kebray sure sure | 20:14 |
| harlowja | jlucci1 cool | 20:14 |
| jlucci1 | Soo, I want to say tomorrow, but I also have an exam tonight and a final on Saturday | 20:15 |
| harlowja | eck | 20:15 |
| jlucci1 | So it may not be until Monday/Tuesday next week | 20:15 |
| harlowja | python exam? | 20:15 |
| jlucci1 | hahah | 20:15 |
| jlucci1 | I wish | 20:15 |
| jlucci1 | Electrochemistry/redox reactions and kinetics just aren't as much fun | 20:15 |
| harlowja | woah | 20:15 |
| harlowja | h20 | 20:15 |
| jlucci1 | Done. I'll have your code in two hours | 20:16 |
| jlucci1 | ha | 20:16 |
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| harlowja | all good, i'll try to do some code reviews next week also, when i'm in NY | 20:16 |
| harlowja | *unsure about wireless access* | 20:16 |
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| harlowja | kchenweijie how's your persistance stuff | 20:16 |
| harlowja | mr.leading db expert kchenweijie | 20:17 |
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| kchenweijie | well i finished up working in the new design (no persistence for flows, jobs, tasks, etc) | 20:17 |
| kchenweijie | now im just wrestling with git (i dont understand why im so bad) and getting ready to put up a code review | 20:17 |
| harlowja | git has like a learning period i think | 20:17 |
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| harlowja | like 3months i think | 20:17 |
| kchenweijie | i feel like i break git on a daily basis | 20:17 |
| harlowja | ya, i felt that way a while ago also | 20:17 |
| kchenweijie | but yeah, once i get git to do what i want, the code review will be up for you | 20:18 |
| harlowja | anything we can help with | 20:18 |
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| harlowja | beat git with a stick? | 20:18 |
| harlowja | *not literally* | 20:18 |
| kchenweijie | if you could somehow explain to me why rebasing makes git think my branch is 5 commits behind and 4 commits ahead, that would be very helpful | 20:18 |
| * harlowja gonna get in trouble via anniec | 20:18 | |
| harlowja | so 5 commits behind, 4 commits ahead | 20:19 |
| harlowja | thats 9 commits in the middle | 20:19 |
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| harlowja | or -1 commits behind | 20:19 |
| harlowja | :-/ | 20:19 |
| kchenweijie | so i do an interactive rebase, re-push it, and all of a sudden bad things happen | 20:19 |
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| harlowja | hmmm, let me see if i can help u afterwards, sound good | 20:20 |
| clarkb | I think that means you rebased atop something that was 5 commits behind and have 4 commits you added there | 20:20 |
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| kchenweijie | maybe | 20:20 |
| kchenweijie | i really need to figure out this rebasing thing | 20:20 |
| harlowja | ya clarkb could be right, but if pushing breaks, then it might not be able to rebase correctly | 20:20 |
| harlowja | and u could be in the middle of a rebase still | 20:20 |
| kchenweijie | thats wehre i keep breaking git | 20:20 |
| kchenweijie | ill look into it after i get this code review in | 20:21 |
| harlowja | ya, its a tricky part | 20:21 |
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| kchenweijie | other than that, thats it for me | 20:21 |
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| harlowja | cool, i'll see if i can help u with the git madness | 20:21 |
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| harlowja | any other status from folks, there is some neat work that i know about going with a 'block flow' concept | 20:22 |
| harlowja | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/36472/ | 20:22 |
| harlowja | seeing how that can shape into something pretty useful | 20:22 |
| harlowja | *see the tests for a good example or 2 | 20:22 |
| harlowja | it allows for a slightly more natural way to use flows (and subflow), so might be pretty nice | 20:23 |
| harlowja | although we have to be careful to not start creating to much of a mini-dsl (domain specific language) ahead of time | 20:23 |
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| harlowja | so just something neat to comment on if u guys want to | 20:24 |
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| harlowja | #topic release | 20:25 |
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| harlowja | so for this one, seems like after next week, we can have a potential 0.1 ? | 20:25 |
| jlucci1 | I think so | 20:25 |
| harlowja | and then we can start getting usage in cinder and nova (and heat?) and elsewhere, at least with said thing it becomes easier for them to try it | 20:25 |
| jlucci1 | I'd also really like to get some more robust docs/examples before release too | 20:26 |
| harlowja | asalkeld keeps on suggesting to me that we shouldn't go on pypi and should go via a update.py (copy/paste) mechaism like oslo-incubator | 20:26 |
| harlowja | pypi means some level of api stabilitiy i think in his point of view, which means we can't change stuff as easily | 20:27 |
| harlowja | but with update.py we can more easily change things (?) | 20:27 |
| jlucci1 | mmm | 20:28 |
| jlucci1 | But this would have the potential to move over to pypi after more stabilization? | 20:28 |
| harlowja | sure, thats afaik how the oslo-incubator path goes | 20:28 |
| jlucci1 | kewl | 20:29 |
| harlowja | but it becomes a question of when is anything stable, ha | 20:29 |
| harlowja | #link https://github.com/openstack/oslo-incubator/blob/master/update.py | 20:29 |
| jlucci1 | Right, right. But that's true for any project. : P | 20:30 |
| harlowja | so the update.py approach would mean that if openstack project wants to use taskflow, we'd basically copy taskflow to there source directory, ie nova/taskflow | 20:30 |
| jlucci1 | :/ | 20:30 |
| harlowja | ya, so thats the downside | 20:30 |
| harlowja | or u could make it more configurable, update.py --flows=linear,graph | 20:31 |
| harlowja | and then just copy the pieces needed to use those | 20:31 |
| harlowja | but its copy still | 20:31 |
| jlucci1 | mmm - I just hate the idea of this going to pypi one day, and then having 20 files break because your import path has changed | 20:31 |
| jlucci1 | And copy/pasting files | 20:31 |
| jlucci1 | haha | 20:31 |
| harlowja | ya, i know what u mean | 20:32 |
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| jlucci1 | But it sort of seems like the only option atm | 20:33 |
| harlowja | well or release to pypi and deal with that | 20:33 |
| jlucci1 | I just don't think we're ready for a pypi release yet | 20:33 |
| jlucci1 | If we have to have a pretty-set API | 20:34 |
| harlowja | but maybe we aren't ready for that, maybe if we get pretty good used adoption in cinder/heat for example then we can say 'its great now' and then pypi | 20:34 |
| jlucci1 | Yeah, that seems to be the way to go | 20:34 |
| harlowja | k, it does make it a little more painful versioning wise, but might be ok to get adoption | 20:35 |
| harlowja | tradeoffs either way i guess | 20:35 |
| harlowja | i'm fine with trying it and seeing how it goes | 20:36 |
| jlucci1 | + 1 | 20:36 |
| harlowja | *the update.py approach | 20:36 |
| jlucci1 | yeah haha | 20:36 |
| harlowja | ok, i'll see if i can create a update.py *similar thing* sometime | 20:37 |
| jlucci1 | action item? | 20:37 |
| harlowja | #action harlowja make update.py similar thing | 20:37 |
| jlucci1 | lol | 20:37 |
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| harlowja | :) sounds like we'll see what happens with that until proven otherwise | 20:38 |
| harlowja | #topic use-cases | 20:39 |
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| harlowja | any new uses cases for folks interesting in trying taskflow out?? | 20:39 |
| harlowja | use cases (free by the dozen) | 20:39 |
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| harlowja | alright then, maybe next time :-P | 20:40 |
| jlucci1 | Not that I know of | 20:40 |
| jlucci1 | ha | 20:40 |
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| harlowja | sweet, open discussion then | 20:40 |
| harlowja | #topic open-discuss | 20:41 |
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| harlowja | i'll be out next week btw, so jlucci1 i think will be leading the starship | 20:41 |
| jlucci1 | : D | 20:41 |
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| harlowja | phases at stun jlucci1 | 20:41 |
| harlowja | *phasers | 20:41 |
| harlowja | lol | 20:42 |
| jlucci1 | :P | 20:42 |
| harlowja | any awesome open discussions for folks? | 20:42 |
| harlowja | *or not awesome is ok also | 20:42 |
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| harlowja | goiiing once | 20:43 |
| harlowja | goiiiiing twiiice | 20:43 |
| harlowja | sold | 20:44 |
| harlowja | for refunds (or futher questions) please visit #openstack-state-management | 20:44 |
| harlowja | 24/7 service | 20:44 |
| harlowja | thx kchenweijie jlucci1 for coming :) | 20:44 |
| jlucci1 | haha yupyup | 20:45 |
| harlowja | #end-meeting | 20:45 |
| harlowja | #endmeeting | 20:45 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 20:45 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jul 11 20:45:27 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:45 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/state_management/2013/state_management.2013-07-11-19.59.html | 20:45 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/state_management/2013/state_management.2013-07-11-19.59.txt | 20:45 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/state_management/2013/state_management.2013-07-11-19.59.log.html | 20:45 |
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| russellb | #startmeeting nova | 21:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jul 11 21:00:34 2013 UTC. The chair is russellb. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova' | 21:00 |
| russellb | hello, everyone | 21:00 |
| russellb | who's here? | 21:00 |
| dansmith | \o | 21:00 |
| dripton | hi | 21:00 |
| * johnthetubaguy waves | 21:00 | |
| cyeoh | hi | 21:00 |
| n0ano | o/ | 21:00 |
| sdague | o/ | 21:00 |
| bnemec | o/ | 21:00 |
| mikal | Morning | 21:00 |
| mrodden | heyo | 21:00 |
| russellb | #link http://wiki.openstack.org/Meetings/Nova | 21:01 |
| russellb | #topic havana-2 | 21:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "havana-2 (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:01 | |
| russellb | havana-2 release is next week | 21:01 |
| alaski | o/ | 21:01 |
| russellb | merge deadline is EOD Tuesday, July 16 | 21:01 |
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| russellb | I've already deferred a *bunch* of stuff to havana-3 that didn't look like it could make it | 21:01 |
| russellb | let's review the list of what's left | 21:01 |
| russellb | #link https://launchpad.net/nova/+milestone/havana-2 | 21:01 |
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| harlowja | \o/ | 21:02 |
| russellb | first up, let's cover v3 API work | 21:02 |
| russellb | cyeoh: hi! | 21:02 |
| cyeoh | heh ok. | 21:02 |
| russellb | a lot has merged in the last week | 21:02 |
| devananda | \o | 21:02 |
| cyeoh | so we have about 40 or so extensions merged so far | 21:02 |
| cyeoh | around 15-20 more to go | 21:02 |
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| cyeoh | I don't think all will make it in - merge conflicts and also we need a newer version of stevedore for 1 of them | 21:03 |
| russellb | ok, so of these blueprints, are any that aren't marked as Implemented feasible for h2? | 21:03 |
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| cyeoh | but they should all flow in not long after | 21:03 |
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| russellb | as in, which ones should we go ahead and set for havana-3? | 21:04 |
| cyeoh | sorry just doing a quick check | 21:04 |
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| russellb | i guess about all of them | 21:04 |
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| russellb | except maybe "convert core API" ? | 21:04 |
| cyeoh | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/v3-api-core-as-extensions might actually be done | 21:04 |
| cyeoh | there is one more to go and that's it | 21:04 |
| russellb | nice | 21:04 |
| russellb | ok, so let's keep that one in h2 | 21:04 |
| russellb | and move the rest | 21:04 |
| russellb | can you update them? | 21:04 |
| cyeoh | yea the rest are all pretty much dependent on all the extensions being merged before considered done | 21:05 |
| cyeoh | ok, will do | 21:05 |
| russellb | yeah makes sense | 21:05 |
| russellb | really nice progress though | 21:05 |
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| russellb | anything else on v3 API you'd like to discuss? | 21:05 |
| cyeoh | thx - have had lots of help getting them merged - thank you to all who have pushed them through with all the merge conflicts... | 21:05 |
| cyeoh | nothing else on v3 API. | 21:05 |
| russellb | sure np, and now you're on the hook to help push the ones through that others write :) | 21:05 |
| cyeoh | :-) | 21:05 |
| russellb | k | 21:06 |
| russellb | alaski: query-scheduler | 21:06 |
| russellb | alaski: looks like some core bits are in, but not the part where we change the main instance boot code path to use it | 21:06 |
| alaski | Right. | 21:06 |
| alaski | From a dependency standpoint it's not in the way | 21:06 |
| alaski | but there's a little more to do, which probably won't make h-2 | 21:07 |
| russellb | ok, wanted to clarify that part was in scope for this blueprint | 21:07 |
| russellb | sounds like it is | 21:07 |
| russellb | and won't make it | 21:07 |
| russellb | so defer to h-3? | 21:07 |
| alaski | yep. That part turned out to be more nuanced than I had hoped. | 21:07 |
| russellb | cool, there are often dragons when you go trying to redo something that has been there for ages :) | 21:08 |
| russellb | dansmith: compute-api-objects | 21:08 |
| russellb | dansmith: have a chance for h-2? | 21:08 |
| dansmith | russellb: not gonna make h2, | 21:08 |
| russellb | ack, will defer | 21:08 |
| dansmith | comstud: disagree? | 21:08 |
| comstud | no | 21:09 |
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| dansmith | I wish it were different, but, it ain't. | 21:09 |
| comstud | Too many methods left | 21:09 |
| russellb | boris-42: db-api-tests | 21:09 |
| russellb | boris-42: looks really close to done | 21:09 |
| russellb | according to status on the blueprint, only a few spots left to cover, and 2/3 have patches up for review | 21:10 |
| russellb | so we'll leave this on for h-2 and hope we can get it done by the deadline | 21:10 |
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| russellb | boris-42: sound good? | 21:10 |
| russellb | boris may be asleep. :-) | 21:10 |
| dripton | boris-42 would ask everyone to please review those patches. | 21:11 |
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| mikal | Heh, so many db reviews | 21:11 |
| russellb | next is cross-service-request-id | 21:11 |
| russellb | anyone know status of that one? | 21:11 |
| russellb | has 3 +2s and a -2 | 21:12 |
| devananda | i blocked one of the pacthes for it | 21:12 |
| devananda | because it exposed the cross serive id in a way that any user could set any value for it | 21:12 |
| devananda | and tht would get passed all over the place | 21:12 |
| devananda | kinda defeats the point, IMO | 21:12 |
| devananda | i really like the concept, just not that it's exposed in that way | 21:13 |
| russellb | yeah, seems like users should have no ability to impact | 21:13 |
| russellb | and no knowledge of | 21:13 |
| devananda | right | 21:13 |
| russellb | just an admin thing | 21:13 |
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| russellb | ok, well, if it's blocked by a fundamental design issue, i'm deferring it | 21:13 |
| johnthetubaguy | seems fair | 21:14 |
| russellb | alaski: shelve-instance | 21:14 |
| russellb | just needs review? | 21:14 |
| alaski | yes. two need rebase once the first is in, but everythings up | 21:15 |
| russellb | ok cool | 21:15 |
| russellb | need help reviewing that one then! | 21:15 |
| russellb | Vek has eliminate-clear-passwords-from-cells-table | 21:16 |
| russellb | I think that one is close to ready | 21:16 |
| russellb | i had a problem with the data migration, but we've talked about it and he should have it updated soon | 21:16 |
| johnthetubaguy | alaski: will take a closer look tomorrow | 21:16 |
| russellb | johnthetubaguy: awesome thanks! | 21:16 |
| alaski | johnthetubaguy: thanks. | 21:16 |
| russellb | next is ec2-error-codes | 21:16 |
| russellb | don't think the author is around | 21:16 |
| russellb | I -2'd that one, because it looked like it needed to be broken up a bunch, but that was after a quick review | 21:17 |
| russellb | he basically asked me to reconsider, and I haven't had a chance yet | 21:17 |
| russellb | so I would appreciate a 2nd opinion | 21:17 |
| dansmith | link? | 21:17 |
| russellb | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/28330/ | 21:17 |
| russellb | probably need to give him guidance on how to break it up, that was going to be my response when i get back to it | 21:18 |
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| russellb | unless someone else looks and tells me they agree with him that it's fine as-is | 21:18 |
| dansmith | I'll have a look when we're done | 21:18 |
| russellb | ok cool thanks | 21:18 |
| mrodden | yeah i think that definitely needs to be broken up... | 21:19 |
| johnthetubaguy | at first glance it looks huge | 21:19 |
| russellb | mrodden: ok, feedback appreciated on the review then | 21:19 |
| boris-42 | russellb I am here | 21:19 |
| russellb | ok last medium one is from johnthetubaguy | 21:19 |
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| johnthetubaguy | ah, its in review | 21:19 |
| russellb | xenapi large ephemeral disks | 21:19 |
| russellb | so just need review? | 21:19 |
| johnthetubaguy | got almost approved, just added an extra log | 21:19 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah | 21:19 |
| russellb | ok cool, so hopefully we can knock that out in the next few days. | 21:20 |
| johnthetubaguy | hopefully | 21:20 |
| russellb | the rest still on the list are Low priority ones, anyone around that wants to talk about them? | 21:20 |
| russellb | Low priority ones aren't worried about quite as much from a release management perspective, just nice to haves | 21:20 |
| russellb | if you have time to help review stuff, please focus on the > Low priority stuff first | 21:20 |
| russellb | boris-42: i was reviewing blueprints, covered db-api-tests, looks like there's a good chance we can have it completed for h-2, correct? | 21:21 |
| boris-42 | yes correct | 21:21 |
| boris-42 | I will force guys to finish tomorrow all patches | 21:21 |
| mikal | boris-42: that sounds... concerning | 21:21 |
| boris-42 | if instance_* tests will be merged | 21:21 |
| boris-42 | then there is just a little bit work | 21:22 |
| boris-42 | I think we will finish before you wake up-) | 21:22 |
| russellb | mikal: lol, the forcing part? | 21:22 |
| johnthetubaguy | BTW, anyone know why http://status.openstack.org/reviews/ is not refreshing, maybe I need to check my email? | 21:22 |
| mikal | russellb: yeah, I imagine a drum being beaten at the back of the room or something | 21:22 |
| russellb | mikal: i imagine boris-42 as a russian mob boss | 21:23 |
| russellb | "you WILL finish these patches.... or else" | 21:23 |
| russellb | johnthetubaguy: i do not ... i would ask in -infra. i haven't seen any email about it | 21:23 |
| boris-42 | =)) | 21:24 |
| boris-42 | lol | 21:24 |
| johnthetubaguy | russellb: yeah, I should head over there | 21:24 |
| russellb | ok | 21:24 |
| russellb | so last comment before we move on | 21:24 |
| mrodden | user-locale-api is still waiting for reviews, but it also has a prereq. that I am waiting to be merged in oslo, which is actually +2CR right now just waiting for an approval to throw it to Zuul for merge | 21:24 |
| russellb | mrodden: ok, will leave it on the list for now then | 21:24 |
| russellb | so ... havana-3 is going to be insane | 21:25 |
| russellb | https://launchpad.net/nova/+milestone/havana-3 | 21:25 |
| boris-42 | pci passthrough .... | 21:25 |
| boris-42 | ouch | 21:25 |
| russellb | if you want your stuff to actually land, PLEASE have it up for review as early as possible | 21:25 |
| boris-42 | it makes m cry | 21:25 |
| russellb | because if even half of that gets implemented, that's going to be pushing our review bandwidth | 21:25 |
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| russellb | it also means prioritizing reviews is very important, so we focus on getting the most important stuff in | 21:26 |
| boris-42 | there are 2 implementations my and Inetels based on my patch | 21:26 |
| boris-42 | DB patch | 21:26 |
| boris-42 | that should be rewritten in unified models way | 21:26 |
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| russellb | your db patch should be rewritten? | 21:26 |
| russellb | yes, please use the unified-objects stuff | 21:26 |
| russellb | speaking of which, we need to start blocking patches that should be using those, but aren't | 21:27 |
| russellb | basically, creating new DB models and then exposing them to the rest of the code | 21:27 |
| boris-42 | absolutely agree | 21:27 |
| russellb | needs to be done using the new way. | 21:27 |
| boris-42 | but this patch is much more older then unified models=) | 21:27 |
| boris-42 | so it use old way=) | 21:27 |
| russellb | i -2'd another that is in the same situation | 21:27 |
| russellb | but we really can't afford going backwards on this effort | 21:27 |
| boris-42 | I agree | 21:28 |
| russellb | it's critical for one of the highest priority efforts we have - the long road to solid support for live rolling upgrades | 21:28 |
| boris-42 | I agree lol=) | 21:28 |
| johnthetubaguy | same for v3 things, all changes to both apis? | 21:28 |
| russellb | saying it so everyone else understands too | 21:28 |
| boris-42 | We will help also with this stuff in I cycle | 21:28 |
| comstud | Yea, I kinda crapped all over boris's reviews, unfortunately. | 21:28 |
| russellb | johnthetubaguy: that's a good point ... we should probably start forcing v3 versions as well | 21:28 |
| dansmith | +1 on v3 | 21:29 |
| boris-42 | comstud it's ok | 21:29 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, makes sense, for the same reasons | 21:29 |
| russellb | cool | 21:29 |
| cyeoh | yes, definitely for v3 | 21:29 |
| russellb | alright, onward | 21:29 |
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| boris-42 | ok I have to sleep+) | 21:29 |
| russellb | #topic bugs | 21:29 |
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| russellb | any particular bugs we need to discuss | 21:29 |
| russellb | boris-42: ok thanks! | 21:29 |
| russellb | 67 new bugs, a little more than i'd like | 21:30 |
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| boris-42 | russellb do you need some help?) | 21:30 |
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| boris-42 | with bugs?) | 21:30 |
| russellb | boris-42: with bug triage, always | 21:30 |
| russellb | and fixing them :) | 21:30 |
| russellb | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Nova/BugTriage | 21:30 |
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| boris-42 | russelb ok I add some rule about fixing bugs=) | 21:30 |
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| boris-42 | minimum 1 bug / week | 21:30 |
| russellb | lol | 21:30 |
| russellb | sounds ok to me | 21:30 |
| boris-42 | for each developer=) | 21:31 |
| bnemec | I started triaging - feel free to yell at me if I confirmed anything I shouldn't have. :-) | 21:31 |
| dripton | Fixing bugs you created yourself doesn't count | 21:31 |
| boris-42 | dripton ok=) | 21:31 |
| boris-42 | dription I will say them=) | 21:31 |
| boris-42 | lol | 21:31 |
| russellb | if anyone comes across High/Critical bugs while triaging, it would be good to bring them up here | 21:31 |
| dansmith | dripton: that vastly limits the bugs I can fix for credit :( | 21:31 |
| russellb | i want to sure at least those get some attention .. | 21:31 |
| boris-42 | russellb I would like to merge all models vs migrations syncs in H2 | 21:32 |
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| russellb | boris-42: ok, we can try. | 21:32 |
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| russellb | let's just to sub-teams | 21:32 |
| boris-42 | it could produce some unexpected bugs in psql and mysql | 21:32 |
| russellb | #topic sub-team reports | 21:32 |
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| russellb | anyone around to give a report? | 21:33 |
| russellb | devananda: ? | 21:33 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah | 21:33 |
| boris-42 | Ok see you later=) | 21:33 |
| n0ano | scheduler | 21:33 |
| devananda | o/ | 21:33 |
| harlowja | \o/ but not that much to report on | 21:33 |
| russellb | devananda: wanna go first? | 21:33 |
| devananda | sure | 21:33 |
| russellb | (Ironic / baremetal driver) | 21:33 |
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| devananda | not much to report on. working on the API service for ironic, definitely not going to be ready for h3 in a comparable-to-baremetal way | 21:34 |
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| russellb | devananda: i went ahead and deferred the deprecate-baremetal blueprint to post-havana | 21:34 |
| devananda | the tripleo side of baremetal is moving alogn well, but i dont think a lot has changed with the baremetal driver itself | 21:34 |
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| russellb | yeah, saw the proposal to make an official program for it | 21:34 |
| russellb | cool stuff. | 21:34 |
| devananda | ironic is still waiting for the image utils to move out of nova and into glanceclient | 21:35 |
| devananda | once that lands in glanceclient, i think GheRivero will be able to propose a DRY-it-up patch to nova and cinder | 21:35 |
| devananda | but that wont be a functional change | 21:35 |
| devananda | that's probably it for the nova side of our work latey | 21:35 |
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| devananda | [eol] | 21:36 |
| russellb | ok cool thanks! | 21:36 |
| russellb | johnthetubaguy: you're up, for xenapi! | 21:36 |
| johnthetubaguy | cool | 21:36 |
| johnthetubaguy | so not a lot of news really | 21:37 |
| russellb | you need reviews on your h-2 blueprint :-) | 21:37 |
| johnthetubaguy | some work towards getting XenAPI gated, but not visible progress | 21:37 |
| russellb | oh yeah? didn't know about that | 21:37 |
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| johnthetubaguy | +1 for reviews on that blueprint :) | 21:37 |
| russellb | that's cool to hear actually. | 21:37 |
| johnthetubaguy | a few h-3 blueprints might get pushed out | 21:37 |
| russellb | johnthetubaguy: btw, did you see my email a week or two ago about "compute driver criteria" ? | 21:38 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, Citrix guys have most of the tempest tests going | 21:38 |
| russellb | devananda: you too, since it affects baremetal ^^ | 21:38 |
| johnthetubaguy | russellb: I did, but I should re-read it and check it again! | 21:38 |
| russellb | xenapi is already in the clear since it's running in smokestack | 21:38 |
| devananda | hm, nope :( /me goes and looks | 21:38 |
| johnthetubaguy | :) | 21:38 |
| russellb | baremetal needs to have something going in the next 9 months ... but I believe that's being worked on | 21:38 |
| russellb | devananda: no worries, easy to miss stuff on the ML ... | 21:38 |
| devananda | russellb: tl;dr - we need a smokestack-like test rig, yes? | 21:39 |
| russellb | devananda: basically i want all virt drivers being tested against changes, even if just providing info like smokestack does | 21:39 |
| russellb | yes | 21:39 |
| devananda | russellb: perfect. already talked at length with folks about this, and yea, it's being worked on | 21:39 |
| russellb | and i proposed a Icehouse release deadline basically | 21:39 |
| russellb | perfect | 21:39 |
| devananda | ++ | 21:39 |
| russellb | and on that note ... | 21:39 |
| russellb | hartsocks: hi! | 21:39 |
| johnthetubaguy | so, Citrix guys are going to updated their blueprints soon, maybe dropping some from h-3 | 21:39 |
| johnthetubaguy | I am all done now though | 21:40 |
| russellb | johnthetubaguy: ok cool, let me know and i'll update them | 21:40 |
| russellb | johnthetubaguy: thanks! | 21:40 |
| hartsocks | okay. | 21:40 |
| johnthetubaguy | russellb: thanks, will do | 21:40 |
| russellb | hartsocks: updates? also, did you see that email i'm referencing? | 21:40 |
| hartsocks | So on VMwareAPI team... | 21:40 |
| hartsocks | email? | 21:40 |
| russellb | "Compute driver criteria" i think | 21:40 |
| russellb | tl;dr ... are you guys working on some sort of CI integration? | 21:40 |
| hartsocks | Doesn't ring a bell. | 21:40 |
| hartsocks | Yes. | 21:41 |
| russellb | ok, then you're safe | 21:41 |
| russellb | i'd like to see it by Icehouse | 21:41 |
| hartsocks | I was going to mention I heard back from a group working on 'tempest' for vmwareapi stuff | 21:41 |
| russellb | which is a good ways out, so shouldn't be a big deal if you're looking into it already | 21:41 |
| hartsocks | I'm not going to forecast when they'll have that up | 21:41 |
| russellb | but at some point in the future, i'm going to start to push removing things we're not testing :-) | 21:41 |
| russellb | that's what the openstack-dev ML post was about | 21:41 |
| russellb | kind of a first warning shot about it | 21:42 |
| hartsocks | Okay. | 21:42 |
| hartsocks | I will feel much better when we get our test coverage up higher. | 21:42 |
| * russellb nods | 21:42 | |
| hartsocks | I went around to the H2 blueprint holders... | 21:42 |
| hartsocks | looked them deep in the eyes... | 21:42 |
| hartsocks | and asked... | 21:42 |
| hartsocks | Are you really really going to make H2? | 21:42 |
| russellb | i may have already deferred some/most/all of them ... | 21:42 |
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| russellb | if they didn't look like they could make it | 21:43 |
| hartsocks | Yeah. | 21:43 |
| russellb | if you feel otherwise, let me know | 21:43 |
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| hartsocks | We're close but H2 is too close and a lot of our contributors are traveling in the next couple weeks. | 21:43 |
| russellb | ack | 21:43 |
| russellb | anything else going on? | 21:44 |
| hartsocks | It looks like H2 will be all about bug fixes for us. | 21:44 |
| hartsocks | That's the big new. | 21:44 |
| hartsocks | s/new/news/ | 21:44 |
| hartsocks | end. | 21:44 |
| russellb | cool, thanks! | 21:44 |
| russellb | n0ano: scheduling! | 21:45 |
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| n0ano | like others, not too much this week, we talked about two patches going around... | 21:45 |
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| n0ano | code refactoring - e.g. moving common scheduler & cinder code to oslo, concensus was that's a good idea.. | 21:45 |
| harlowja | +1 | 21:46 |
| russellb | there is some already in oslo | 21:46 |
| russellb | that nova needs to get updated to use | 21:46 |
| russellb | common filter and weight infrastructure | 21:46 |
| n0ano | other was volume affinity filter - concensus there was this was more likely a weighting function rather than a filter | 21:46 |
| russellb | was put there when cinder was doing its filter scheduler | 21:46 |
| russellb | n0ano: ok i was going to ask about that | 21:46 |
| russellb | i'm fine with the weight, but the more i thought about it, the more I'm -2 on the filter as proposed | 21:46 |
| russellb | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/29343/ for reference | 21:46 |
| n0ano | indeed, we pretty much agreed with you on that, didn't see any compelling use cases for a filter | 21:47 |
| russellb | ok | 21:47 |
| n0ano | that's about it | 21:47 |
| russellb | ok thanks! | 21:47 |
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| russellb | harlowja: hi! | 21:47 |
| harlowja | howday! | 21:48 |
| russellb | sup? | 21:48 |
| harlowja | so just getting the relase of taskflow ready, shaping up, few more items being worked on, then hopefully can start plugging it in for H3 into cinder at least to start | 21:48 |
| harlowja | just mostly chugging away on making that initial release possible | 21:48 |
| harlowja | chug chug | 21:49 |
| russellb | cool, well thanks for the update, any other details you want to share? | 21:49 |
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| harlowja | nothing much yet :) | 21:49 |
| russellb | k, thanks! | 21:49 |
| russellb | #topic open discussion | 21:49 |
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| russellb | 10 minutes left if anyone wants to chat about ... anything! | 21:50 |
| russellb | jenkins is busy. | 21:50 |
| russellb | 87 patches total under test right now | 21:50 |
| russellb | 30 in the gate. | 21:50 |
| russellb | (across all projects) | 21:50 |
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| russellb | other random interesting number ... in nova we've had 3597 code reviews done by 176 people in the last 30 days. | 21:51 |
| timello_ | I'm back. Any feedback on patches: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/32040/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/32503/ would be nice. | 21:51 |
| timello_ | They are related to the cold-migrations-to-conductor bp. | 21:51 |
| johnthetubaguy | timello_: on my list for tomorrow, a review day for me tomorrow I feel | 21:52 |
| harlowja | russellb is there a jenkins monitor that can be used to see how busy it is? | 21:52 |
| comstud | i'll be out of town for over a week | 21:52 |
| timello_ | johnthetubaguy: awesome, I appreciate. | 21:52 |
| russellb | johnthetubaguy: cool, appreciate that | 21:52 |
| comstud | with limited online-ness | 21:52 |
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| russellb | comstud: ah yes, thanks for the reminder / heads up | 21:52 |
| russellb | comstud: safe travels to you sir | 21:52 |
| comstud | ty | 21:52 |
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| russellb | harlowja: there are a couple of things you can use ... one is http://status.openstack.org/zuul/ | 21:53 |
| Chinmay_ | hey guys i had a quick question about imagebackend caching | 21:53 |
| Chinmay_ | any reasons why were create it per flavor ? | 21:53 |
| russellb | harlowja: the other is https://github.com/kk7ds/openstack-gerrit-dashboard/ | 21:53 |
| Chinmay_ | s/were/we/ | 21:53 |
| russellb | harlowja: which is just a command line thingy, but it's pretty awesome. | 21:53 |
| harlowja | coolness | 21:53 |
| dansmith | russellb: JUST a command line thingy? | 21:53 |
| russellb | mikal: ^ ? | 21:53 |
| russellb | dansmith: hehe | 21:53 |
| dansmith | like bash is JUST a command line thingy? | 21:54 |
| russellb | yes. | 21:54 |
| dansmith | mkay :) | 21:54 |
| mikal | russellb: curse you | 21:54 |
| harlowja | is it using ncurses? | 21:54 |
| harlowja | :) | 21:54 |
| mikal | Chinmay_: IIRC, and it might have changed, we cache the glance image, and then the post resize image | 21:54 |
| mikal | Chinmay_: we do that to avoid doing the resize over and over | 21:54 |
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| Chinmay_ | mikal : ok thanks | 21:55 |
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| russellb | harlowja: no | 21:56 |
| russellb | harlowja: print! | 21:56 |
| dansmith | russellb: I hit that review | 21:57 |
| dansmith | the ec2 madness one | 21:57 |
| russellb | dansmith: cool | 21:57 |
| russellb | dansmith: ok so hopefully that's enough to convince him to split it up | 21:58 |
| harlowja | russellb hmmm might have to hook in curses :-p | 21:58 |
| russellb | harlowja: yeah | 21:58 |
| dansmith | are we done here? :) | 21:58 |
| russellb | yep! | 21:58 |
| russellb | thanks everyone! | 21:58 |
| russellb | #endmeeting | 21:58 |
| comstud | ty | 21:58 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jul 11 21:58:57 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2013/nova.2013-07-11-21.00.html | 21:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2013/nova.2013-07-11-21.00.txt | 21:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2013/nova.2013-07-11-21.00.log.html | 21:59 |
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