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| Daisy | Good moring and Good evening | 00:58 |
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| Daisy | anybody there? | 00:58 |
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| Daisy | Good evening, gabrielcw | 00:59 |
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| gabrielcw | Hello Daisy! | 01:00 |
| gabrielcw | How are you? | 01:00 |
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| Daisy | I'm good. Thank you. | 01:00 |
| Daisy | I think it's late for you, right? It's 22pm now? | 01:00 |
| gabrielcw | right! not so late | 01:00 |
| gabrielcw | I go to bed at 12 normally :) | 01:00 |
| Daisy | oh. That's not an early time. :) | 01:01 |
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| Daisy | Let's see if we can get anybody else. | 01:01 |
| gabrielcw | yeah, I agree | 01:01 |
| gabrielcw | so many things to do! | 01:01 |
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| Daisy | agree. | 01:01 |
| Daisy | I don't see Japanese team and Korean team yet. | 01:02 |
| Daisy | anyway, let's start. | 01:02 |
| gabrielcw | ok | 01:02 |
| Daisy | #startmeeting OpenStack I18n Meeting | 01:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Aug 15 01:02:36 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is Daisy. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 01:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 01:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: OpenStack I18n Meeting)" | 01:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_i18n_meeting' | 01:02 |
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| Daisy | #topic Action items from the last meeting | 01:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Action items from the last meeting (Meeting topic: OpenStack I18n Meeting)" | 01:03 | |
| fifieldt | hi | 01:03 |
| gabrielcw | hello | 01:03 |
| Daisy | Good morning, fifieldt ! | 01:03 |
| Daisy | we just starts. | 01:03 |
| Daisy | Daisy to track the font problem with David. | 01:03 |
| Daisy | It's done. | 01:03 |
| Daisy | Korean team has sent the font file to David, David will cut a release | 01:04 |
| Daisy | So the Korean font issue can be resolved. I don't know if the same issue will happen to other language. | 01:04 |
| Daisy | But David agreed to change his plugin to enable people to set the font path. | 01:04 |
| Daisy | Fdot to check whether openstack-manuals can use the glossary defined in openstack hub. | 01:04 |
| Daisy | Fdot is not there. | 01:05 |
| Daisy | Daisy to check if we can define into the configuration if we can force the hub glossary. | 01:05 |
| Daisy | It's done. But I'm going to cover it in the following topic. | 01:05 |
| Daisy | each team collect the wish list of Transifex and Daisy to combine them. | 01:05 |
| Daisy | I only got feedback from Giang Duong, the Vietnamese team. I will also cover it in the following topic. | 01:05 |
| Daisy | Daisy to track the source lang in Horizon | 01:06 |
| Daisy | Sorry I don't get more information. Per my understanding, there is no progress with this issue. I don't have the right to change Horizon project. I think Gabriel Hurley is the key person and I will continue to reach him. | 01:06 |
| Daisy | ok. that's all of the action items last meeting. | 01:06 |
| Daisy | we will move to next. | 01:07 |
| Daisy | #topic Progress with Japanese doc site | 01:07 |
| gabrielcw | nice | 01:07 |
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| Daisy | fifieldt: I see there is progress with https://review.openstack.org/#/c/39846 | 01:07 |
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| fifieldt | yes | 01:07 |
| Daisy | what's left in your mind? | 01:07 |
| fifieldt | it now passes tests | 01:07 |
| fifieldt | it needs to be merged | 01:07 |
| fifieldt | I'm also not sure whether we merged the docs.openstack.org/ja page | 01:08 |
| fifieldt | did that happen yet? | 01:08 |
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| Daisy | I didn't see the page yet. | 01:08 |
| fifieldt | I know the basic design exists | 01:08 |
| Daisy | I will check with Akihiro MOTOKI offline. | 01:08 |
| fifieldt | maybe we just need to turn it into a patch | 01:08 |
| fifieldt | ok | 01:08 |
| Daisy | Right. | 01:08 |
| Daisy | fifieldt: do you think it is possible to enable a parameter in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/39846, so that when we want to add Chinese site, we can simply change the parameter? | 01:09 |
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| fifieldt | yes, it can likely be modified for this | 01:10 |
| fifieldt | is it OK to iterate? | 01:10 |
| fifieldt | I'm not 100% sure this patch will work | 01:10 |
| fifieldt | so plan to keep it simple first | 01:10 |
| fifieldt | then make it better later | 01:10 |
| Daisy | ok. | 01:10 |
| Daisy | got your point. | 01:10 |
| Daisy | #topic Glossary defined in Transifex | 01:10 |
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| Daisy | I checked Transifex. | 01:11 |
| Daisy | A user can create multiple glossaries and attach them to the projects he owns, as long as the project and the glossary share the same source language. The glossaries can be bootstrapped by uploading a CSV file. | 01:11 |
| Daisy | It looks like it's able to define a glossary and associate all the openstack projects with it. But this action needs an account with all the full access to the hub project Openstack and its related projects. I don't know if there is such account. | 01:11 |
| fifieldt | don't you have access? | 01:11 |
| Daisy | I did test within my account. I'm able to create a glossary and associate it with all the project (with same source language) I own. | 01:12 |
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| Daisy | Although I'm the maintainer of OpenStack, I'm not able to manage the glossary defined within OpenStack. | 01:12 |
| fifieldt | mmm, odd | 01:12 |
| fifieldt | can we create a support request with transifex? | 01:13 |
| Daisy | I'm not able to manage other projects, like Nova, Horizon, and etc. Because I'm not the owner. | 01:13 |
| fifieldt | oh, right | 01:13 |
| fifieldt | so there is only ever one owner? | 01:13 |
| Daisy | It looks like owner is the one who create such project. | 01:13 |
| fifieldt | argh, damn | 01:13 |
| lifeless | the maintainer can be a team | 01:14 |
| lifeless | oh, sorry, transifex, I dunno. | 01:14 |
| Daisy | right. But it looks like the team don't have the right to manage glossary. | 01:14 |
| lifeless | I was thinking LP. | 01:14 |
| Daisy | Hi, lifeless | 01:14 |
| fifieldt | np | 01:14 |
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| Daisy | so I will continue to follow up with this issue. If we fail to do, we can ask help from Transifex. Let's see. | 01:16 |
| fifieldt | ok | 01:16 |
| gabrielcw | Hello? | 01:16 |
| Daisy | BTW, I find there are several project setting the source language as en_US. | 01:16 |
| fifieldt | oh no | 01:17 |
| fifieldt | hi gabrielcw! | 01:17 |
| Daisy | The source language of Cinder, Glance, Horizon,and Nova are en_US, and others are en. | 01:17 |
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| gabrielcw | oh, some delay here...nevermind | 01:17 |
| Daisy | Now we only meet with problem in Horizon. | 01:17 |
| Daisy | I don't know if this issue will cause problems in other projects. | 01:17 |
| gabrielcw | sorry, i`m not aware of this problem, can you explain shortly? | 01:18 |
| Daisy | And, if the source language are different, it's not able to share a same glossary among them, because glossary can only share among projects with same source langauge. | 01:18 |
| Daisy | so...anyway, we need to change the issue. | 01:18 |
| Daisy | I hope I can have the higher right than I have now. | 01:19 |
| yosshy | Sorry, I'm late. Hello all. | 01:19 |
| Daisy | It looks like projects of openstack translations are made by different people. | 01:19 |
| Daisy | Hi, yosshy | 01:20 |
| gabrielcw | hi | 01:20 |
| Daisy | created by different people. | 01:20 |
| Daisy | any comments? | 01:20 |
| Daisy | #action: Daisy to continue to track the glossary and source language issue. | 01:21 |
| Daisy | let's move on. | 01:21 |
| Daisy | #topic Transifex requirements/bugs collection | 01:21 |
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| Daisy | Stefano Maffulli suggested us to collect our requirements to translation tool, not only specific to Transifex. | 01:22 |
| Daisy | If we are not so satisified with Transifex, we can change to other tools. | 01:22 |
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| Daisy | I looked in my old mails and found this: | 01:22 |
| Daisy | https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Aqevw3Q-ErDUdFgzT3VNVXQxd095bFgzODRmajJDeVE#gid=0 | 01:22 |
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| Daisy | It was the original discussion when the community was going to select a translation management tools other than Launchpad. | 01:23 |
| gabrielcw | Besides some minor issues, I like to use Transifex, even the web client | 01:24 |
| Daisy | I don't know your opinion to Transifex. Do you like it? Do you use it? Do you think it can satisy you? | 01:24 |
| Daisy | satisfy you? | 01:24 |
| Daisy | how about you, yosshy ? | 01:24 |
| yosshy | Yes. | 01:24 |
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| fifieldt | the web client is nice (especially when it has suggestions from the translation memory) but it doesn't show context of the string | 01:25 |
| gabrielcw | they are very helpful when bugs are found | 01:25 |
| gabrielcw | yeah, true | 01:25 |
| yosshy | We found that Transfex is not good for review. | 01:25 |
| gabrielcw | I miss the context too | 01:25 |
| Daisy | What do you mean, yosshy ? | 01:25 |
| Daisy | Yeah, maybe when reviewer does the review, they want to review a whole document, not paragraph. | 01:26 |
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| Daisy | That's to documents. not to messages. | 01:27 |
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| fifieldt | it would be good to have the whole document be displayed, but be able to mark certain paragraphs OK as you go | 01:27 |
| Daisy | I think, Transifex is all right as to message translation. | 01:27 |
| yosshy | Yes, but no for long sentences. | 01:27 |
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| Daisy | maybe we can look for better tool for document translation. | 01:28 |
| Daisy | but the translation memory share will be a problem if we move documents to other tools. | 01:28 |
| yosshy | I hear that each review is closed if somebody push "reviewed" button on Transfex. | 01:29 |
| fifieldt | yeah - recently I've been translating AskBot, which has excellent translation memory already and it's a lot more fun | 01:29 |
| Daisy | in Transifex? | 01:29 |
| fifieldt | yeah | 01:29 |
| Daisy | AskBot don't have document translation. | 01:29 |
| fifieldt | true | 01:29 |
| fifieldt | it's just good for strings | 01:29 |
| fifieldt | just sharing experience :) | 01:29 |
| Daisy | correct. | 01:29 |
| Daisy | let's continue the discussion with our translation team through mailing list. | 01:30 |
| Daisy | Again, Transifex is a good tool to translate strings. Even it's not open source, in my opinion, I think it's acceptable. | 01:31 |
| Daisy | I don't know if the community agrees or not if Transifex is not open source any more. | 01:31 |
| Daisy | any other comments? If no, we move to next topic. | 01:32 |
| gabrielcw | they think they are :) http://help.transifex.com | 01:32 |
| Daisy | #topic Open discussion | 01:32 |
| yosshy | It looks that amotoki is absent today. He can describe problems to work on Transfex. | 01:32 |
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| Daisy | https://github.com/transifex/transifex/issues/206#issuecomment-15243207 | 01:33 |
| Daisy | gabrielcw: Transifex is going to not be open source any more. | 01:33 |
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| gabrielcw | oh | 01:34 |
| Daisy | I'd like to say something about progress with translation. | 01:34 |
| yosshy | As a report, japanese team doesn't start the next translation work. | 01:34 |
| Daisy | Chinese team is setting up the team now, and then we will start the translation of operation guide. | 01:35 |
| Daisy | I'm going to look for another coordinator in China, yet I didn't find. :) | 01:36 |
| fifieldt | ask openstack is now in chinese too: https://ask.openstack.org/zh/ | 01:36 |
| Daisy | Thanks, fifieldt . | 01:36 |
| Daisy | As to the priority, I will set Operation guide as the top priority during this period. Do you have opposite opinion? | 01:37 |
| gabrielcw | nope | 01:37 |
| Daisy | When we set the priority, I hope the whole translation team can follow it. | 01:37 |
| Daisy | So we focus on one job, when it is finished, we start another one. | 01:37 |
| gabrielcw | yeah, that's good! | 01:37 |
| Daisy | ok. | 01:37 |
| Daisy | I'm going to write an update to the whole community. Here is a draft: | 01:38 |
| Daisy | https://etherpad.openstack.org/WhatupI18nTeam | 01:38 |
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| Daisy | Please let me know your opinion to expose your name and email in the mailing list. I write down the list of our contact information because I think there may be some people in your country to contact with you in order to understand more about openstack translations. | 01:39 |
| yosshy | amotoki wrote japanese dashboard page of doc. | 01:39 |
| fifieldt | I saw that yosshy, it looks good | 01:39 |
| Daisy | yosshy: where is the link? | 01:39 |
| gabrielcw | I agree, | 01:39 |
| yosshy | yeah. | 01:39 |
| fifieldt | does he plan to submit a patch? | 01:39 |
| fifieldt | or should we help to submit the patch? | 01:40 |
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| yosshy | I'm now looking for the mail with the link... | 01:40 |
| Daisy | oh. I think I know the link. Sorry I just did not understand what was dashboard. :) | 01:40 |
| fifieldt | http://openstack-ja.github.io/openstack-manuals/ja/ | 01:41 |
| yosshy | oh, thank you. | 01:41 |
| fifieldt | my pleasure | 01:41 |
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| yosshy | That's a draft now and we are in review. | 01:42 |
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| Daisy | yosshy: is it the first time you join the meeting? I don't see this id before. | 01:42 |
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| fifieldt | ok | 01:43 |
| fifieldt | then after the review it will be submitted as a patch | 01:43 |
| fifieldt | sorry, I didn't completely read the emails :) | 01:43 |
| yosshy | No. I joined the last meeting. | 01:43 |
| fifieldt | 吉山? | 01:44 |
| yosshy | but perhaps I have another id. I'm new for webchat. | 01:44 |
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| yosshy | Yeah. I'm Akira Yoshiyama (吉山). | 01:44 |
| fifieldt | :) | 01:44 |
| Daisy | I know this name: Akira Yoshiyama. | 01:45 |
| Daisy | Thank you, yosshy. I just want to make sure I understand who you are. :) | 01:45 |
| Daisy | so any other topics? | 01:45 |
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| Daisy | if no, we will close the meeting. | 01:46 |
| gabrielcw | I'm still watching the Tx API for the translators stats | 01:46 |
| gabrielcw | just a heads up | 01:46 |
| yosshy | ok. | 01:46 |
| Daisy | Thanks, gabrielcw . | 01:46 |
| gabrielcw | sure | 01:47 |
| Daisy | Our next meeting will be hosted next Month, 5th, Sep | 01:47 |
| gabrielcw | nothing new yet, but they fixed a bug I found recently very quickly | 01:47 |
| yosshy | I see. | 01:47 |
| gabrielcw | will you guys attend the summit btw? | 01:47 |
| Daisy | Yes, I see your email. | 01:47 |
| Daisy | I will. Will you, gabrielcw ? | 01:48 |
| fifieldt | I will be there :) | 01:48 |
| Daisy | Surely you will, fifieldt . | 01:48 |
| gabrielcw | Oh, I won't...:( | 01:48 |
| gabrielcw | it's very far from here :) | 01:48 |
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| yosshy | I hope to join it but... | 01:49 |
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| gabrielcw | There will be some people from hp, but not me | 01:49 |
| fifieldt | I went to the venue | 01:49 |
| Daisy | maybe next time, the summit can be hosed in a city near Brazil. | 01:49 |
| fifieldt | it's awesome :) | 01:49 |
| gabrielcw | in fact this is my off work hours, so... | 01:49 |
| gabrielcw | we hope so! | 01:49 |
| Daisy | anything else to discuss? | 01:50 |
| gabrielcw | quick question | 01:50 |
| gabrielcw | do we have a deadline for the translations? | 01:50 |
| Daisy | not exactly deadline. | 01:50 |
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| Daisy | I know many people do the translation in their spare time, so there is no deadline in my mind. | 01:51 |
| Daisy | I don't want to push... | 01:51 |
| gabrielcw | yeah, but is there a target date, to try to finish | 01:51 |
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| Daisy | But, I think, there should be a deadline within a translation team. | 01:52 |
| gabrielcw | losse date | 01:52 |
| gabrielcw | *loose | 01:52 |
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| gabrielcw | I understand | 01:52 |
| Daisy | the deadline can be discussed within a translation team, the team can decide, depending on their situation. | 01:52 |
| yosshy | I agree. | 01:52 |
| Daisy | The top priority work for us are operation guide (documentation ) and Horizion. | 01:53 |
| gabrielcw | right, will you update the priorities in the Tx? | 01:53 |
| Daisy | As to documentation, I don't have an overall deadline, I want each team to decide. When the document is ready, we can publish to website. | 01:53 |
| Daisy | But as to the Horizion, when the code strings are frozen, there should be a deadline before the product release. | 01:54 |
| gabrielcw | right | 01:54 |
| Daisy | So when the code strings are frozen, I hope each translation team can focus their time on the Horzion transaltion. Again, this is not mandatory. Which team can finish on the time, which translation can be merged in the product release. | 01:55 |
| fifieldt | sounds reasonable | 01:55 |
| Daisy | :) | 01:56 |
| Daisy | I haven't talked with Horzion team yet. | 01:56 |
| yosshy | I see. We'll discuss about it in the next week because we have a week vacation in Japan. | 01:56 |
| Daisy | I'm going to attend their meeting next week, it's in the early moring, hard for me to catch. | 01:56 |
| fifieldt | enjoy it yosshy :D | 01:56 |
| yosshy | Thank you. | 01:56 |
| Daisy | I will repor to you after I talk with Horizon team, about the string forzon time and release time. | 01:57 |
| Daisy | anything else? | 01:57 |
| Daisy | no? | 01:58 |
| gabrielcw | not for me :) | 01:58 |
| Daisy | I will end up the meeting then. | 01:58 |
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| Daisy | Thank you for joining ! | 01:58 |
| Daisy | #endmeeting | 01:58 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Aug 15 01:58:29 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 01:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_i18n_meeting/2013/openstack_i18n_meeting.2013-08-15-01.02.html | 01:58 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_i18n_meeting/2013/openstack_i18n_meeting.2013-08-15-01.02.txt | 01:58 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_i18n_meeting/2013/openstack_i18n_meeting.2013-08-15-01.02.log.html | 01:58 |
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| gabrielcw | Thank you all, have a good evening/night | 01:58 |
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| mtreinish | #startmeeting qa | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Aug 15 17:00:07 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mtreinish. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
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| mtreinish | who do we have here? | 17:00 |
| mkoderer | Hi | 17:00 |
| mlavalle | hi | 17:00 |
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| adalbas | hi | 17:00 |
| mtreinish | today's agenda: | 17:00 |
| mtreinish | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/QATeamMeeting | 17:00 |
| mtreinish | it's pretty short today just the usual things no one added anything extra | 17:01 |
| mtreinish | so I guess lets dive into it | 17:01 |
| mtreinish | #topic testr status | 17:01 |
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| mtreinish | so my topic is up first | 17:01 |
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| mtreinish | earlier this week I got the fix for the last big blocking race condition merged | 17:02 |
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| mtreinish | and the runs seem fairly stable | 17:02 |
| mtreinish | so I added a parallel run nonvoting to the gate queue on zuul | 17:02 |
| mtreinish | I'm going to watch it for a while to see how stable it seems | 17:02 |
| mkoderer | cool | 17:02 |
| mtreinish | and hopefully make it the default sometime in the next week or 2 | 17:02 |
| mtreinish | right now we're tracking down some other races that have been popping up | 17:03 |
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| mtreinish | and I hope to get tenant isolation on swift and keystone testing before we green light it | 17:03 |
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| mtreinish | but we're really close here | 17:03 |
| mkoderer | is there a plan to delete all the nose things in the code? | 17:03 |
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| mtreinish | mkoderer: yeah at some point, just right now I've been too distracted with trying to get it gating parallel to push the patch | 17:04 |
| mkoderer | mtreinish: ok cool | 17:04 |
| mtreinish | mkoderer: feel free to push it yourself if you'd like | 17:04 |
| mkoderer | mtreinish: ok shouldn't be hard | 17:04 |
| mtreinish | ok, does anyone have anything else on testr? | 17:05 |
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| adalbas | mtreinish, i saw you get the tenant_isolation for swift | 17:05 |
| adalbas | do you still need to get the swift tempest tests locked up ? | 17:06 |
| mtreinish | adalbas: yeah I pushed it out, but it's probably going to need a devstack change to get it working | 17:06 |
| mtreinish | adalbas: probably not if it was a user conflict that was causing the fail | 17:06 |
| adalbas | ok | 17:06 |
| mtreinish | adalbas: we can pick this up on the qa channel after the meeting though | 17:07 |
| adalbas | sure | 17:07 |
| mtreinish | ok, then moving on to the next topic | 17:07 |
| mtreinish | #topic stress tests status | 17:07 |
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| mtreinish | mkoderer: you're up | 17:07 |
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| mkoderer | so I want to introduce this decorator "stresstest" | 17:07 |
| mkoderer | it will automatically set attr type=stress | 17:08 |
| mkoderer | with this I could use subunit to discover all stress test inside the tempest tests | 17:08 |
| mkoderer | thats my plan and I am working on that | 17:08 |
| mkoderer | if we have this we could go through the test and search for good candidates | 17:09 |
| mtreinish | ok, cool so things are in motion with that then | 17:09 |
| mkoderer | yes | 17:09 |
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| mkoderer | about this https://review.openstack.org/#/c/38980/ | 17:09 |
| mtreinish | I imagine a lot of tests won't be good candidates for stress tests | 17:09 |
| mtreinish | like the negative tests :) | 17:10 |
| mtreinish | afazekas: ^^^ are you around? | 17:10 |
| mkoderer | mtreinish: thats right.. but I am quite sure we will have some good ones | 17:10 |
| mkoderer | could be that https://review.openstack.org/#/c/38980/ is not needed after my fix | 17:10 |
| mkoderer | but anyway we could use it in the meanwhile | 17:11 |
| mtreinish | mkoderer: ok, yeah might be, you should coordinate with afazekas about that | 17:11 |
| mtreinish | but he doesn't seem to be around right now | 17:11 |
| mkoderer | I think I will chat with afazekas when hes around | 17:11 |
| mkoderer | np | 17:11 |
| mkoderer | any other question? | 17:12 |
| mtreinish | mkoderer: ok all sounds good to me. Anything else on the stress test front? | 17:12 |
| mtreinish | mkoderer: nothing from me :) | 17:12 |
| mkoderer | ok cool :) | 17:12 |
| afazekas | re | 17:13 |
| mtreinish | ok then we'll move on to the next topic | 17:13 |
| mlavalle | mtreinish: I want to report status on https://blueprints.launchpad.net/tempest/+spec/fix-gate-tempest-devstack-vm-quantum-full | 17:13 |
| mtreinish | #topic other blueprint status | 17:13 |
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| mtreinish | mlavalle: ok you're up | 17:13 |
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| mlavalle | mtreinish: we have achieved good progress on this. Several of the items in the BP are already fixed | 17:13 |
| mlavalle | mtreinish: we have a shot at getting this done by H-3 | 17:14 |
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| mtreinish | mlavalle: ok cool, that would be great to get the quantum full jobs passing | 17:14 |
| mlavalle | mtreinish: I am working now on a nova patch, that is required by one of the tests I am fixing | 17:14 |
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| afazekas | mlavalle: do you know about a bug related to the failing fixed ip or interface tests ? | 17:14 |
| mlavalle | mtresinish: any help I can get with this would be great: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/41329 | 17:15 |
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| mlavalle | afazekas: no i don't | 17:15 |
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| mtreinish | mlavalle: sure I'll take a look | 17:15 |
| mlavalle | that's it | 17:16 |
| mtreinish | and point some nova cores at it too | 17:16 |
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| mtreinish | mlavalle: ok cool, one quick thing about neutron is last week we had to skip another neutron test | 17:16 |
| afazekas | https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1189671 another interesting related bug | 17:17 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1189671 in neutron "default quota driver not suitable for production" [Wishlist,In progress] | 17:17 |
| mtreinish | because a broken change got merged while the gate was messed up and passing all the tests | 17:17 |
| mlavalle | mtreinish: ok, i'll take a look | 17:17 |
| mlavalle | afazekas: i'l take a look | 17:17 |
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| afazekas | unfortunately when thet test case was skipped several additional introduced.. | 17:18 |
| mtreinish | mlavalle: I can dig up a link but it's one of the bugs marked as critical | 17:18 |
| mtreinish | marun was working on it yesterday I think | 17:18 |
| afazekas | tho know ones are fixed, but something still not ok with the ssh connectivity | 17:18 |
| marun | afazekas: I am looking at it | 17:19 |
| mlavalle | I'll ping marun | 17:19 |
| marun | It's not ssh that's the problem - it's the metadata service. | 17:19 |
| afazekas | marun: can you reproduce it ? | 17:19 |
| marun | afazekas: trivially | 17:19 |
| marun | but i don't know why it's happening. | 17:19 |
| marun | working on it now | 17:19 |
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| afazekas | marun>: cool | 17:20 |
| mlavalle | marun: i'll let you run with it,….. | 17:20 |
| mtreinish | mlavalle: ok, is there anything else on neutron status? | 17:20 |
| mlavalle | i'm done | 17:21 |
| mtreinish | ok then are there any other blueprints that need to be discussed | 17:21 |
| afazekas | leaking | 17:21 |
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| mtreinish | afazekas: ok what's going on with that? | 17:22 |
| afazekas | looks like the original connect did not liked, so I will introduce different one | 17:22 |
| afazekas | Which will be designed to clean up at run time, and also report the issues | 17:23 |
| afazekas | but it will not cover the leakage what is not visible via the api | 17:23 |
| afazekas | and it will relay on the tenant isolation | 17:24 |
| mtreinish | afazekas: will it ensure that the isolated tenants will be cleaned up too? | 17:24 |
| afazekas | just about the resources in the tenant | 17:24 |
| mtreinish | afazekas: ok | 17:25 |
| mtreinish | is there anything else about resource leakage detection? | 17:26 |
| afazekas | I can restore the previous patch if anybody interested in the global leakage | 17:27 |
| mtreinish | afazekas: do you have a link? | 17:27 |
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| afazekas | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/35516/ | 17:28 |
| mtreinish | afazekas: ok, I'll take a look at it later and let you know | 17:29 |
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| afazekas | thx | 17:29 |
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| mtreinish | ok then, moving on: | 17:29 |
| mtreinish | #topic critical reviews | 17:30 |
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| mtreinish | does anyone have any reviews that they like to bring up? | 17:30 |
| Ravikumar_hp | I have one concern | 17:30 |
| Ravikumar_hp | on review process | 17:30 |
| Ravikumar_hp | please bear with mee | 17:31 |
| Ravikumar_hp | I want to put up my point | 17:31 |
| Ravikumar_hp | I want to raise one concern. | 17:31 |
| Ravikumar_hp | Test developement and contribution seems to be really pain. | 17:31 |
| Ravikumar_hp | It takes 10 patches to get through even for people contributing to Tempest for more than one year. | 17:31 |
| Ravikumar_hp | We need to have some policy on reviews. | 17:31 |
| Ravikumar_hp | It appears many times , some late entrants offer new comments/suggestions when it seems like code review done and one more review cycle. | 17:31 |
| Ravikumar_hp | we need to refine the process .. Otherwise , it slows down test developement cycle and difficult to maintain contributor's motivation | 17:31 |
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| afazekas | Ravikumar_hp: I agree, do you have a recommendation how to do it? | 17:32 |
| mkoderer | Ravikumar_hp: I understand that point | 17:32 |
| mkoderer | but it's hard to solve that | 17:32 |
| mtreinish | Ravikumar_hp: I understand what you're saying but the review process is needed | 17:32 |
| mtreinish | we need to ensure code quality | 17:32 |
| mtreinish | and review resources are limited | 17:32 |
| Ravikumar_hp | as a group, we need to fix this | 17:33 |
| mtreinish | so sometimes it takes time | 17:33 |
| Ravikumar_hp | now a days , all the reviews | 17:33 |
| Ravikumar_hp | I can agree for framework design | 17:33 |
| Ravikumar_hp | if test developement takes 10 reviews, then something is wrong | 17:33 |
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| Ravikumar_hp | It is not working well | 17:33 |
| afazekas | mtreinish: the small nits can be fixed later | 17:34 |
| marun | disagree | 17:34 |
| marun | You fix it before merge or it doesn't get fixed | 17:34 |
| mtreinish | marun: +1 that has been my experience as well | 17:34 |
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| Ravikumar_hp | we cannot move forward if one test contribution takes one month / 10 patch reviews | 17:34 |
| marun | My suggestion is to have a guide for what needs to be done, so at least the criteria is clear. | 17:34 |
| marun | If the submitter does not follow the guide, then it takes 10 reviews. | 17:34 |
| patelna | thiis is over engineering test code | 17:34 |
| mkoderer | the question is why does it take 10 patchsets | 17:34 |
| marun | If they do follow the guide, it gets in faster. | 17:35 |
| patelna | in your own company, do qa has 10 or more reviews? | 17:35 |
| mkoderer | it's just because of nits.. then it's too much | 17:35 |
| afazekas | marun: IMHO not the 10 or 100 review is the issue, the 1 month | 17:35 |
| Ravikumar_hp | many times , reviewers change from patch to patch | 17:35 |
| marun | In your own company, do you have clear criteria for what is good? | 17:35 |
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| afazekas | marun: waiting on review reply | 17:35 |
| patelna | we need to be agile in our test development process...I suggest we have 2 to 3 reviews | 17:35 |
| marun | That's a different issue, though. | 17:35 |
| Ravikumar_hp | if two reviwers take care of one code submission , we can finish in max 3 patches | 17:36 |
| marun | afazekas: timely review vs quality of review | 17:36 |
| patelna | yes - we trust our QA | 17:36 |
| marun | Well, we need that same criteria in tempest. | 17:36 |
| Ravikumar_hp | just 20 lines of code takes one month - ten patches | 17:36 |
| marun | We need it in writing, so it isn't just in some people's head. | 17:36 |
| afazekas | marun: yes | 17:36 |
| patelna | so lets do 2 things to improve this process (a) define what will code review consists off? a checklist (b) reduce the reviewer to 2 to 3 | 17:37 |
| marun | Ravikumar_hp: So think of a way to fix the problem that does not result in lower review quality. | 17:37 |
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| mkoderer | I don't think that limiting the number of reviewer will be a good solution | 17:37 |
| mkoderer | ^reviewers | 17:37 |
| patelna | it is | 17:37 |
| afazekas | IMHO every typical review issue should be in the HACKING,rst | 17:37 |
| marun | +1000 | 17:37 |
| Ravikumar_hp | marun: my suggestion - only TWO reviewers per one submission | 17:37 |
| marun | And over time that list should evolve | 17:37 |
| mtreinish | afazekas: yes that should be the case | 17:37 |
| patelna | do anyone know how many reviews dev code goes thru before merge? | 17:37 |
| mtreinish | but I think we might have some gaps I'm not sure | 17:37 |
| mkoderer | Ravikumar_hp: only two core reviewers? | 17:38 |
| marun | Ravikumar_hp: I don't think that's workable. | 17:38 |
| afazekas | some additional style issue can be tested by flake8 | 17:38 |
| marun | Two core people, fine. | 17:38 |
| patelna | +1 Ravikumar_hp | 17:38 |
| marun | But there are often stakeholders outside of those two | 17:38 |
| marun | Look, tempest is not unique | 17:38 |
| mkoderer | -1 | 17:38 |
| marun | There are tons of core projects that have the same challenges. | 17:38 |
| mtreinish | patelna, Ravikumar_hp: limiting the number of reviews is not the solution | 17:38 |
| patelna | we have less QA contributors | 17:38 |
| marun | Thinking that we are special and need to do something different? Just silly. | 17:38 |
| Ravikumar_hp | mtreinish: we want good quality , but need to refine so as to minimize patches/cycles, duration | 17:39 |
| marun | How about maximizing patch quality? | 17:39 |
| patelna | do u want to add more coverage or do less tests and more reviewers -- and then turnign people away as they been frustrated | 17:39 |
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| marun | Tough | 17:39 |
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| marun | If we don't screen for quality, things fall apart. | 17:40 |
| mtreinish | ok I think that this topic has been played out enough. I think we should move on | 17:40 |
| patelna | we really need to draft a guideline for reviewers/checklist | 17:40 |
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| marun | So let's focus on improving patch quality | 17:40 |
| marun | NOT | 17:40 |
| marun | reducing review quantity | 17:40 |
| mtreinish | does anyone have any reviews they want to bring up | 17:40 |
| patelna | no one is saying don't screen for the quality -- you are missing the point | 17:40 |
| mkoderer | I think if someone feels fruststarted it the best way to have direct communication via IRC... | 17:40 |
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| afazekas | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/35165/ | 17:40 |
| Ravikumar_hp | mtreinish: Thanks | 17:40 |
| afazekas | looks like I got an opposite review response at the end, can I return to something closer to the original version ? | 17:41 |
| mtreinish | afazekas: that's marked as abandonded | 17:41 |
| mtreinish | are there any other reviews? Otherwise we'll move on | 17:42 |
| afazekas | mtreinish: restored | 17:42 |
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| mtreinish | afazekas: ok cool | 17:43 |
| mkoderer | ;) | 17:43 |
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| afazekas | I will move back to the original new module / function style unless otherwise requested | 17:44 |
| mtreinish | afazekas: I'll have to take a look in detail after the meeting | 17:44 |
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| mtreinish | ok if there aren't any other reviews that people want to bring attention to then let move on to the open discussion | 17:45 |
| mtreinish | #topic open discussion | 17:45 |
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| marun | I have a testr question | 17:45 |
| mtreinish | marun: ok | 17:45 |
| marun | As per discussion yesterday, it appears tempest is broken on py26 | 17:45 |
| marun | The fix would be moving away from setupClass? | 17:46 |
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| marun | Is there a plan/effort underway to accomplish that? | 17:46 |
| afazekas | marun: IMHO the fixing patch is merged | 17:46 |
| marun | since yesterday? | 17:46 |
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| mtreinish | marun: not currently we use setupClass fairly extensively throughout tempest | 17:46 |
| mtreinish | reworking things to avoid using it would be a huge undertaking | 17:46 |
| afazekas | marun: the patch was older, but it contained the py 2.6 compatibility step | 17:47 |
| marun | afazekas: are you running successfully on 2.6 then? | 17:47 |
| marun | This is really important for Red Hat. | 17:47 |
| marun | We need to run Tempest on RHEL 6.4 with py26. | 17:48 |
| marun | If anyone is running on 2.6 then I'd be happy to talk offline about what I might be doing wrong. | 17:48 |
| marun | But if not, then Red Hat will likely want to see a move away from setupClass and will devote resources to making it happen. | 17:49 |
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| mtreinish | marun: I know there have been troubles with py26 lately especially after we've been moving to testr | 17:49 |
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| mtreinish | but I don't have py26 on any of my systems so I haven't been able to test things | 17:49 |
| afazekas | marun: are you using nosetests or testr ? | 17:50 |
| marun | afazekas: testr + py26 is broken because it doesn't seem to invoke setupClass | 17:50 |
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| marun | afazekas: nose appears to work, but has to be manually invoked | 17:50 |
| mtreinish | marun: but if you switch back to nose would it work? | 17:50 |
| afazekas | marun: you can run it with nose on py 2.6 | 17:50 |
| marun | So manually run? | 17:51 |
| mtreinish | marun: ok, then would adding a nondefault job in tox and run tests to use nose solve this | 17:51 |
| marun | mtreinish: +1 | 17:51 |
| marun | It's not so much for me, but allowing non-developers to be able to run tempest trivially. | 17:51 |
| mtreinish | marun: ok that's simple enough | 17:52 |
| marun | Ok, cool. | 17:52 |
| mtreinish | #action mtreinish to add options to use nose instead of testr for py26 compat | 17:52 |
| mtreinish | mkoderer: so much for pulling out all the nose references then | 17:52 |
| marun | :) | 17:52 |
| mkoderer | mtreinish: yeah | 17:52 |
| marun | rhel'd again ;) | 17:53 |
| mtreinish | ok, are there any other topics to discuss in the last 7 min? | 17:53 |
| malini1 | do we really want both testr and nose to be invoked, guessing they do not cover exactly the same stuff | 17:53 |
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| marun | malini1: I think the alternative is removing the use of setupClass, which is desirable but costly. | 17:54 |
| mtreinish | malini1: it would either or. Testr is still the default but if you run with py26 you'll have to use nose | 17:54 |
| malini1 | got it -- thanks | 17:55 |
| mkoderer | is it a know bug in testr? | 17:55 |
| mkoderer | ^known | 17:55 |
| uvirtbot | mkoderer: Error: "known" is not a valid command. | 17:55 |
| marun | mkoderer: yes, I talked with lifeless about it yesterday. | 17:55 |
| mkoderer | ok - so if this would be fixed we could switch to testr | 17:56 |
| afazekas | marun: the numbered tests also should be fixed when they are start working | 17:56 |
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| marun | mkoderer: if setupClass was not used, then testr + py26 would play nicely | 17:57 |
| marun | afazekas: Ah, yes. | 17:57 |
| afazekas | marun: it is required to run as a stress test | 17:57 |
| marun | afazekas: Why required for a stress test? | 17:57 |
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| marun | afazekas: I thought the way to handle order was simply to inline the functionality? | 17:58 |
| afazekas | because you specify exactly on test case IE test method | 17:58 |
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| mtreinish | so we've got ~1 min left. afazekas, marun do you want to pick this up on qa? | 17:58 |
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| marun | mtreinish: sounds good | 17:59 |
| afazekas | ok | 17:59 |
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| mtreinish | ok I guess a good as point as any to stop | 17:59 |
| mtreinish | #endmeeting | 17:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Aug 15 17:59:38 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2013/qa.2013-08-15-17.00.html | 17:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2013/qa.2013-08-15-17.00.txt | 17:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2013/qa.2013-08-15-17.00.log.html | 17:59 |
| mtreinish | thanks everyone | 18:00 |
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| bdpayne | #startmeeting OpenStack Security Group | 18:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Aug 15 18:03:30 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is bdpayne. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:03 |
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| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:03 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_security_group' | 18:03 |
| bdpayne | hi everyone, sorry for the slight start delay | 18:03 |
| bdpayne | who do we have for the meeting today? | 18:03 |
| malini1 | Good morning! | 18:03 |
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| bdpayne | morning malini1 | 18:04 |
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| bdpayne | ok, we'll let's get started | 18:04 |
| bdpayne | #topic Previous Action Items | 18:04 |
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| bpb | Bruce and APL here, and Joel coming soon | 18:04 |
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| bdpayne | there have been several action items in recent weeks, let's review those | 18:05 |
| malini1 | bdpayne did you still need a tacker for creating the security slide set based on book | 18:05 |
| bdpayne | yes, that would be great | 18:05 |
| bdpayne | you interested? | 18:05 |
| malini1 | I will make time next week for it then | 18:06 |
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| bdpayne | great, thanks | 18:06 |
| malini1 | :) | 18:06 |
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| bdpayne | #action malini1 to make an initial OSSG slide deck | 18:06 |
| bdpayne | basing it on the book is a good start, and I think there were some other ideas in that email thread | 18:06 |
| malini1 | will grab them from email thread | 18:06 |
| bdpayne | looks like some of the other action items were on my plate, so I'll report back here | 18:07 |
| bdpayne | Re OSSG logo | 18:07 |
| bdpayne | malini1 got some initial ideas out from someone at Intel | 18:07 |
| bdpayne | now we're looking for someone to do the final graphics work | 18:07 |
| bdpayne | I'm checking with someone | 18:07 |
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| bdpayne | and Rob is checking with someone at HP as well | 18:07 |
| bdpayne | so hopefully we'll get that wrapped up soon | 18:08 |
| elo | Hi. Eric here... | 18:08 |
| bdpayne | my other action item was to put together a wiki page for getting people started with ossg | 18:08 |
| bdpayne | here's my work on that | 18:08 |
| bdpayne | https://docs.google.com/document/d/1TmygsnqU2MeHMYf_mqIV_dZpDaeLEzR7mGSE9n9SWKk/edit?usp=sharing | 18:08 |
| bdpayne | I wanted to get some other eyes on it before posting to the wiki | 18:09 |
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| bdpayne | feel free to comment / edit / etc to improve that writeup | 18:09 |
| bdpayne | perhaps we could take a minute to look over and see if there's any high level comments at this time | 18:10 |
| * bdpayne will wait for a minute or two | 18:10 | |
| malini1 | Looks good -- getting involved | 18:10 |
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| elo | checking now | 18:12 |
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| bpb | looks reasonable to me also, but I think I'll have a couple of sections to add | 18:12 |
| bdpayne | ok, sounds good | 18:13 |
| bdpayne | bpb what sections do you have in mind? | 18:13 |
| bdpayne | I think the more ways we can find for people to help the better | 18:13 |
| elo | looks good at the high level.. | 18:13 |
| joel-coffman | I think it looks good | 18:14 |
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| bpb | bdpayne: Maybe some references to the security guide, in terms of mapping security controls. | 18:14 |
| bdpayne | ahh, so listing specific additions that people could make to the security guide? | 18:14 |
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| bdpayne | well, we can take this offline | 18:16 |
| bpb | bdpayne: Yes, but also to use the security guide outline as a reference to point to OpenStack services | 18:17 |
| bdpayne | for everyone, please let me know if you have any more specific comments, you can email me or just start a thread in the openstack-security mailing list | 18:17 |
| bdpayne | #topic OSSNs | 18:17 |
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| bdpayne | ok | 18:17 |
| bdpayne | So we still have several OSSNs that are up for review | 18:17 |
| bdpayne | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ossn | 18:17 |
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| bdpayne | eyes are certainly welcome there | 18:18 |
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| bdpayne | I'm not sure what Rob's timeline is for getting those out, but I'm guessing somewhat soon | 18:18 |
| bdpayne | #topic Other Discussion | 18:19 |
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| malini1 | i picked up one on https keystone | 18:19 |
| bdpayne | What other items would people like to discuss today? | 18:19 |
| malini1 | if we have a few minutes, may i ask about "interest" in geo-tagging | 18:19 |
| bdpayne | joel-coffman I was able to get Vish to review your vol encryption work, hopefully that was helpful | 18:20 |
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| malini1 | are their customers out there who want to a particular geo to run their VMs and storage | 18:20 |
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| bdpayne | you mean availability zones? | 18:20 |
| joel-coffman | yes, thanks so much!!! | 18:21 |
| malini1 | :)I knew it was you bdpayne! thanks for getting Vish involved and congratulations joel on that +1 !! | 18:21 |
| bdpayne | or is this some kind of provable gps coords for a resource? | 18:21 |
| bdpayne | joel-coffman excellent | 18:21 |
| malini1 | not really availability zones (that could be both in the same building but on a difgferent power strip) | 18:21 |
| joel-coffman | malini1: do you have a link to a blueprint, etc.? | 18:21 |
| malini1 | this is more like India/China/USA/Canada type of stuff, for example in CA versusi new hampshire to avoid some sales tax even | 18:22 |
| malini1 | not yet written it | 18:22 |
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| joel-coffman | oh, okay | 18:22 |
| malini1 | still a bunch of jumbled ideas in my head, the crux being to say a host is in a geo need GPS, with any certificate | 18:22 |
| bdpayne | so provable location? | 18:23 |
| malini1 | attached to machine, you can claim it is at X,Y, Z and then move to P,Q,R | 18:23 |
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| malini1 | IP based location can happen, 90% accurate, country level granualrity pretty accurate | 18:23 |
| bdpayne | sure | 18:23 |
| bdpayne | but not perfect | 18:23 |
| malini1 | bdpayne, exactly provable location | 18:23 |
| bdpayne | ok, yeah, makes sense | 18:23 |
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| malini1 | have any of yourun into customers who want it? | 18:24 |
| bdpayne | the details would be interesting, but it seems useful | 18:24 |
| bdpayne | not specifically at my end | 18:24 |
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| bdpayne | malini1 any references describing how this would work? | 18:26 |
| joel-coffman | seems like it could be useful for compliance in certain industries | 18:26 |
| joel-coffman | but that's outside my expertise (at least at the moment) | 18:26 |
| malini1 | for complaince need provabale, but it we trust the cloud provider, "aggregates" in openstack are adequate to indicate geo | 18:26 |
| bpb | malini1: I've heard that some networking components include a GPS reciever, but I haven't verified this. | 18:27 |
| malini1 | bpb -- that is an nice idea -- could be used for provable, would you please send me more info if you find | 18:28 |
| * bdpayne is now curious | 18:28 | |
| elo | Just catching up on thread. I've not heard this from any of our customers that we are involved with at this point. | 18:28 |
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| bdpayne | from my end, one big win of a gps receiver would be to have a reliable external time source | 18:28 |
| bdpayne | :-) | 18:28 |
| malini1 | bdpayne -- how is that different from NTP? GPS also needs to contact other machines, but you get time and location, 2 for 1 | 18:29 |
| bpb | malini1: I'll see if I can find info on this | 18:30 |
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| bdpayne | ntp requires connectivity to an ntp server | 18:30 |
| malini1 | one of the arguments i have heard for GPS is that data centers hosting compute hosts may be in a bnunker somewhere, unable to grab a GPS dsignal | 18:30 |
| bdpayne | seems like that's an argument against gps | 18:30 |
| bdpayne | ok, looks like we're over on time | 18:31 |
| bdpayne | we can continue this one on the mailing list | 18:31 |
| bdpayne | thanks everyone, see you next week | 18:31 |
| malini1 | byeee | 18:31 |
| joel-coffman | thanks | 18:31 |
| bdpayne | #endmeeting | 18:31 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Aug 15 18:31:37 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:31 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_security_group/2013/openstack_security_group.2013-08-15-18.03.html | 18:31 |
| bpb | thanks | 18:31 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_security_group/2013/openstack_security_group.2013-08-15-18.03.txt | 18:31 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_security_group/2013/openstack_security_group.2013-08-15-18.03.log.html | 18:31 |
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| harlowja | #startmeeting state-management | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Aug 15 20:00:10 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is harlowja. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'state_management' | 20:00 |
| harlowja | welcome welcome welcome | 20:00 |
| harlowja | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings#State_management_team_meeting | 20:00 |
| kebray | Hello | 20:01 |
| harlowja | howday | 20:01 |
| changbl | hi | 20:01 |
| harlowja | hi | 20:01 |
| jlucci | here - btw | 20:02 |
| harlowja | hey | 20:02 |
| harlowja | thx thx :) | 20:02 |
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| harlowja | so i think there isn't much status things to report since last time but lets see | 20:03 |
| harlowja | #topic status | 20:03 |
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| harlowja | whats everyone doing???? | 20:03 |
| * harlowja been reworking some of kevins persistence code | 20:03 | |
| harlowja | and helping make sure the cinder crowd understands the taskflow code there | 20:04 |
| harlowja | *answering questions and such* | 20:04 |
| harlowja | *or bugs that i might of caused, not to many so far | 20:04 |
| * kebray evangelizing TaskFlow with other developers at Rackspace. This will make jlucci happy: but, found out another internal team wants to move to TaskFlow, specifically _because_ of celery backed distributed state! | 20:04 | |
| jlucci | That's awesome! | 20:04 |
| harlowja | woot ! | 20:04 |
| jlucci | Can I ask what team? Or is that internal stuffs? | 20:04 |
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| harlowja | kebray thx for helping evalgelize, i think its not always the most fun activity :) | 20:06 |
| kebray | a managed cloud team… they want to move to Heat to replace something internal. But, they have larger Task Orchestration (which will need to be baked around Heat). They switched their current solution to celery because it was the only thing they could find that solved their specific scale challenges. | 20:06 |
| kebray | anyway… we can take the details offline. | 20:07 |
| harlowja | interestingggg | 20:07 |
| jlucci | Still awesome. (: | 20:07 |
| harlowja | :) | 20:07 |
| jlucci | So, I've been working on fixing up some distributed pep8 related stuff | 20:08 |
| kebray | harlowja: I've given a tech talk at 3 of our 5 software development offices in the past two months, and each talk I evangelized both Heat and TaskFlow. About 125 product folks at Rackspace in total were in attendance across the 3 talks. | 20:08 |
| harlowja | kebray wow | 20:08 |
| harlowja | cool | 20:08 |
| harlowja | jlucci mr.jenkins will be very happy with u | 20:08 |
| jlucci | Yeah - still have to fix a couple import things, but that should be done today | 20:08 |
| jlucci | Mostly been working on trove related stuff though | 20:08 |
| jlucci | Spinning up a _working_ openstack environment | 20:09 |
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| harlowja | cool | 20:09 |
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| jlucci | Running trove test cases, starting to put some taskflow codes in there | 20:09 |
| jlucci | etc, etc | 20:09 |
| harlowja | ya, its interesting to see how it feels to use it | 20:09 |
| kebray | harlowja, is it a good thing I hope? :-/ | 20:09 |
| harlowja | each different project is also at a different place where they coudl use it in different ways | 20:09 |
| harlowja | kebray i think its good of course, ha | 20:10 |
| harlowja | but we are all slightly biased :-P | 20:10 |
| harlowja | *just slightly* | 20:10 |
| harlowja | changbl any think u've been looking | 20:11 |
| harlowja | *anything | 20:11 |
| harlowja | i'm hoping these persistence adjustments will make it easier to connect zookeepr in | 20:11 |
| changbl | harlowja, sorry I did not do much, quite a hectic week. My intern is wrapping up his work here. I will try to do more by next meeting | 20:11 |
| harlowja | np :) | 20:11 |
| harlowja | i know how it goes, ha | 20:12 |
| harlowja | i think the one at y! is heading out shortly to | 20:12 |
| harlowja | ok, well lets see if we have any topics to talk about for blocks/engines/stuff there | 20:13 |
| harlowja | if not i think a writeup is underway by the people working on it | 20:13 |
| harlowja | #topic block-engines-flows | 20:13 |
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| harlowja | so overall i think there is alot of neat work being done here to help streamline the various usage of tasks | 20:13 |
| kebray | harlowja that would be good… I had jlucci explain blocks to me… but, I was struggling to understand… it sounded like another arbitrary primitive. | 20:14 |
| harlowja | ya, we want to make sure that its not a struggle to understand, that will be key | 20:14 |
| harlowja | the more struggle, the harder it will be for others to see it also | 20:14 |
| kebray | And, once you start mixing flow types with execution engines, things get odd. | 20:14 |
| jlucci | I think if we ended up using blocks, they'd really just be replacing patterns | 20:14 |
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| harlowja | possibly, and engines would replace the internals of what runs the patterns | 20:15 |
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| kebray | ah, patterns I meant… things get weird when you start mixing patterns with execution engines. | 20:15 |
| jlucci | Oh, yeah. That was another thing - | 20:15 |
| harlowja | melnikov yt | 20:15 |
| jlucci | I'm 100% in support of separating engines and patterns | 20:15 |
| jlucci | But, after thinking stuff over more, I really don't think we should mix patterns and engines | 20:15 |
| jlucci | I think a linear engine should only run a linear flow, etc, etc | 20:15 |
| melnikov | yes, i am, hi there | 20:16 |
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| kebray | If the user doesn't have a reasonable assurance that a pattern will execute in particular way, then the pattern becomes meaningless other than it's a way to hook things up. | 20:16 |
| jlucci | Right, it seems that if we allow distributed to run on linear, or something similar, we negate the need for patterns at all | 20:16 |
| jlucci | The only thing that remains relevant are the relations | 20:16 |
| melnikov | jlucci, have you seen http://paste.openstack.org/show/44004/? | 20:16 |
| jlucci | relations between tasks * | 20:16 |
| harlowja | i think melnikov example there would have seperate engines | 20:17 |
| melnikov | yes, but thay both run linear flow linearly | 20:17 |
| melnikov | and parallel flows in parallel | 20:17 |
| melnikov | and so on | 20:17 |
| kebray | separate engines or not, I think one needs a reasonable assurance that a pattern will execute in a particular way.. otherwise what jlucci said is right, all that matters is relations and patterns/blocks become irrelevant. | 20:18 |
| jlucci | On the flip side as well, if an engine can run any pattern, why make more than one engine? | 20:18 |
| jlucci | Why not have only one engine run all the patterns | 20:19 |
| kebray | So, both he linear engine and the distributed engine could execute a linear flow… but, they both should execute it linearly!! | 20:19 |
| jlucci | *in regards to 44004* | 20:19 |
| melnikov | we may have single-threaded, or multi-threaded, or distributed engines | 20:19 |
| harlowja | kebray i think thats a must, those kind of guarantees we can't ever break | 20:19 |
| melnikov | and choose which is suited best for particular setup | 20:19 |
| kebray | good point jlucci… only reason to have more engines is one could be easier to setup, but not scale as well… another could require a lot more configuration and setup, but run at service provider scale. | 20:19 |
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| * harlowja this engine stuff is really neat, ha | 20:20 | |
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| jlucci | Yeah, there's a ton of possibilities with it - just want to make sure we pick the least complicated one. heh | 20:20 |
| kebray | so, more than one engine doesn't bother me, as long as the TaskFlow user can reasonably expect a pattern to execute in a way that matches that pattern. | 20:20 |
| melnikov | yes, all engines should provide some common high-level guarantees | 20:21 |
| melnikov | like, that linear flow is linear | 20:21 |
| kebray | Some patterns have execution benefits over other patterns depending on the flow you want. | 20:21 |
| kebray | +1 melnikov | 20:22 |
| harlowja | agreed, although i also think that jlucci is right, it will be neat to see how the balance works out | 20:22 |
| kebray | anyway, write up on blocks would be good… I'm struggling to see where it fits into all this about patterns and engines. | 20:22 |
| harlowja | kebray another thing that i think would be useful, maybe if we can get zane b. involved in some of these ideas that would be pretty benefical | 20:23 |
| harlowja | even as just a person that offers some experience from heat | 20:23 |
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| kebray | agreed harlowja. Maybe you can convince him to participate in TaskFlow at the summit! It doesn't look like I'm going to be able to go :-( | 20:23 |
| harlowja | whatttt | 20:23 |
| harlowja | :( | 20:23 |
| harlowja | do u want me to register that i'm taking a baby with me | 20:24 |
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| harlowja | and u can be da baby | 20:24 |
| jlucci | lololol | 20:24 |
| jlucci | Do that | 20:24 |
| jlucci | I want that to happen | 20:24 |
| harlowja | lol | 20:24 |
| hemna | heh | 20:24 |
| kebray | oh my.. not where I expected the conversation to go. | 20:24 |
| hemna | get a room | 20:25 |
| * kebray asks, so where were we on the agenda? | 20:25 | |
| harlowja | lol | 20:25 |
| hemna | :P | 20:25 |
| changbl | :) | 20:25 |
| harlowja | so melnikov i think just some writing up would really help | 20:25 |
| harlowja | which i think u are doing anyway | 20:25 |
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| jlucci | lol | 20:25 |
| harlowja | i'll see if maybe i can ask zane to look at it and see what he thinks | 20:26 |
| harlowja | be nice to have said input, since heat has similar components | 20:26 |
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| kebray | agreed. | 20:26 |
| harlowja | #action melnikov send out some docs to email list, or IRC, or both | 20:27 |
| harlowja | even rough ideas are fine, the engine/blocks/subflows all that are still a WIP i know :) | 20:27 |
| melnikov | harlowja, yes, i was hoping to get something written by the meeting, but did not have enough time | 20:27 |
| harlowja | np | 20:28 |
| harlowja | thx melnikov | 20:28 |
| harlowja | cool, so lets continue that discussion and see what happens | 20:29 |
| harlowja | next up any cinder/heat/nova/trove/... topics/discussion | 20:29 |
| harlowja | #topic integration | 20:29 |
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| jlucci | Trove stuff is looking pretty promising | 20:29 |
| kebray | Cinder integration for H release is done-done, except answering questions and any bug fixes, correct? That is SUPER cool btw. | 20:30 |
| harlowja | so thanks to hemna and jgriffith it has been realitively painless, only a few whitespace issues i caused and maybe a little more | 20:30 |
| harlowja | done-done, never done-done | 20:30 |
| hemna | :) | 20:30 |
| harlowja | always more to do, ha | 20:30 |
| hemna | it's never 'done' | 20:30 |
| harlowja | its a continuation of space and time | 20:30 |
| harlowja | ha | 20:30 |
| harlowja | its a start really, i'm gonna help split up the file that i created into pieces, that will help | 20:31 |
| harlowja | and continue questions, bug fixes, what the heck is this questions | 20:31 |
| harlowja | and as taskflow gets more features, they should be easily added in | 20:31 |
| hemna | so what's next for taskflow + cinder? | 20:31 |
| harlowja | and world peace at the end | 20:31 |
| hemna | taskflow shipped...next up, world peace! | 20:32 |
| harlowja | ha | 20:32 |
| harlowja | so hemna i'm gonna spend a little time to split up that file with all the tasks, that is part of the plan for me soon | 20:32 |
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| harlowja | then i think anastsia might be working on another flow there | 20:32 |
| hemna | ok | 20:32 |
| hemna | there was the debug wrapper thing as well, which could be helpful as a general purpose thing | 20:33 |
| harlowja | yup | 20:33 |
| harlowja | that exposes the functionality to do persistence, or event recording, or ... | 20:33 |
| harlowja | *or its one of the ways to expose it | 20:33 |
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| harlowja | especially if u imagine all of cinder using taskflow, then the debug thing becomes pretty awesome | 20:34 |
| kebray | harlowja can you comment on TaskFlow in Nova? Is that a "Start evangelizing at the summit" thing and hope a blueprint gets accepted for I release? | 20:34 |
| harlowja | kebray hmmmm, i think there will be something going on there, either me, possibly NTT, possibly others, still underflux | 20:34 |
| harlowja | i hope to re-enter that area and see what happens | 20:35 |
| kebray | Trove isn't core… so, what's our next core target for integration? | 20:35 |
| hemna | soren, should we in cinder start to try to implement other capabilities w/ taskflow ? | 20:35 |
| hemna | err s/soren/so | 20:35 |
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| harlowja | hemna i think that would be great, of course, but depends on timing/workflows of everyone i think | 20:36 |
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| kebray | henna The more use of Taskflow the better.. but, as harlowja says, we're biased :-) | 20:36 |
| harlowja | kebray i think it will be nova, glance did mention that they might have a feature there also | 20:36 |
| hemna | so we just have volume/clone create today right ? | 20:36 |
| harlowja | right, the main create functionality | 20:37 |
| hemna | maybe we should create a wiki or something that describes what's left to convert to taskflow | 20:37 |
| hemna | for cinder | 20:37 |
| harlowja | agreed | 20:37 |
| hemna | just want to have it documented | 20:37 |
| harlowja | sure | 20:37 |
| kebray | I'm also prodding jlucci after trove integration to work on a PoC for Heat. | 20:37 |
| hemna | then we can see if we can get folks to pick up the remaining for I | 20:37 |
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| harlowja | hemna soudns good, let me start one | 20:38 |
| hemna | I'd like to see all the main cinder capabilities moved to taskflow, or at least as much as we can in I | 20:38 |
| hemna | ok | 20:38 |
| harlowja | #action harlowja start cinder flow wiki | 20:38 |
| harlowja | all of cinder capabilities?? | 20:38 |
| harlowja | wow | 20:38 |
| harlowja | :) | 20:38 |
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| harlowja | how far do u want to go is a good question :) | 20:39 |
| harlowja | if u look at the distributed work from jlucci it starts to become the thing that could power cinder | 20:39 |
| harlowja | then cinder would no longer have an RPC system, but this is likely extremly ambitious | 20:39 |
| hemna | well the end game for me is to get | 20:40 |
| hemna | cinder into a safe restart capability | 20:40 |
| hemna | so that if someone tells cinder to shutdown, or it dies | 20:40 |
| hemna | that we can get cinder to pick up where it left off | 20:40 |
| hemna | if possible | 20:40 |
| hemna | IMHO that's the wholy grail for taskflow | 20:40 |
| harlowja | sure, so thats a good goal to, and one that we are aiming for also | 20:40 |
| jlucci | heeh | 20:40 |
| jlucci | I feel like this is the point where I jump up and start preaching distributed | 20:41 |
| harlowja | lol | 20:41 |
| hemna | hush | 20:41 |
| hemna | :P | 20:41 |
| jlucci | :P | 20:41 |
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| harlowja | haha, so i think hemna your case will def be there pretty soon i think | 20:41 |
| kebray | jlucci, you're gonna get a following yet.. I just know it. | 20:41 |
| hemna | distributed HA would be nice | 20:42 |
| hemna | and taskflow helps us get there I believe | 20:42 |
| jlucci | Yeah, as of now, distributed provides the "fix this thing and let the workflow continue on" issue, but is still lacking in the "my box caught fire and I need to resume my flow" issue | 20:42 |
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| hemna | yah | 20:42 |
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| hemna | taskflow is a good start to that | 20:42 |
| hemna | at least we'll know where in the process the box caught fire :) | 20:43 |
| harlowja | ya, there is an interesting area that jlucci i think is uncovering really, if u look at all the openstack projects, they execute tasks via some code, using this RPC thing, then if u look at jlucci distributed stuff and taskflow integration u start to see the same thing | 20:43 |
| jlucci | Yes. lol We're trying to get all the persistence stuff in right now - harlowja is doing some fixes on that | 20:43 |
| hemna | some use cases are going to be difficult to reconcile moving to other machines though | 20:44 |
| hemna | in the case of cinder's copy volume to image | 20:44 |
| hemna | the cinder node mounts the backend volume | 20:45 |
| hemna | and starts the copy | 20:45 |
| harlowja | sure, i'm pretty sure jlucci has a solution there, haha, like celery has to have it i wuld think | 20:45 |
| hemna | that mounting would have to be reissued on the next box if the primary burned | 20:45 |
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| hemna | in this case the process would need to be started over from the beginning I thinks | 20:45 |
| jlucci | And that's something taskflow will be able to provide | 20:46 |
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| harlowja | or from the last checkpoint, which is something we've been figuring out how to semantically support (And actually do) | 20:46 |
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| jlucci | I want to see the option of giving the user a "flow failed action" | 20:46 |
| hemna | ah yah, checkpointing. nice | 20:46 |
| hemna | yah that'd help for sure | 20:46 |
| harlowja | ya, melnikov i think has been thinking about this more than me recently, but def its wanted | 20:46 |
| hemna | completely awesome | 20:47 |
| harlowja | thx hemna :) | 20:47 |
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| harlowja | alright, just gonna open it up for anything else to discuss since it seems like we are done for now talking about how integration is going | 20:48 |
| harlowja | #topic open-discuss | 20:48 |
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| harlowja | any interesting question, that i think we never quite finished is the question releated to persistence | 20:49 |
| harlowja | and might still be an open question until its a little more flushed out | 20:49 |
| harlowja | we have some basic concept/idea of what to store, which is great, ha | 20:50 |
| harlowja | my question though is if there should be a limit to how long we store it | 20:50 |
| jlucci | When I first started taskflow stuffs, I had an idea that we sort of "purged as we went along" | 20:51 |
| melnikov | i think checkpoints might provide good answer | 20:51 |
| jlucci | I'm not sure if it's feasible, but the idea is that once you get to a checkpoint, | 20:51 |
| jlucci | you can sort of consolidate the data up to that point | 20:51 |
| jlucci | You don't have to keep track of the states of any previous taks or anything like that | 20:51 |
| harlowja | seems reasonable | 20:51 |
| jlucci | I just worry that someone's gotten to a checkpoint, and wants to roll back to a previous one | 20:52 |
| jlucci | We have to make sure we store enough data to make that possible | 20:52 |
| jlucci | But nothing more | 20:52 |
| jlucci | Might be something we solve when we actually start implementing checkpoints though | 20:52 |
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| harlowja | sure, i could see there be an interesting case for checkpoints, for taskflow internal usage | 20:53 |
| harlowja | and still providing the abilitiy to attach lisenters to a flow so that say cinder can log all the things happening (or store it in there own little api) | 20:54 |
| harlowja | seems like there is internal storage, which involves checkpoints and state/task/flow information, and then letting say cinder see what is happening in taskflow, and then say cinder can store that and tell people about whats happening if they want | 20:55 |
| harlowja | make sense? | 20:55 |
| harlowja | if not thats ok, just brainstorming, ha | 20:56 |
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| jlucci | I think so | 20:56 |
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| jlucci | This is in line with the restricting what can be accessed from the DB type stuff we talked about yesterday? | 20:56 |
| harlowja | hmmmm, possibly | 20:57 |
| * harlowja can't remember, ha | 20:57 | |
| harlowja | anyways, we can continue later in #openstack-state-management | 20:58 |
| harlowja | all are welcome to bug us :) | 20:58 |
| jlucci | Sounds good | 20:58 |
| jlucci | :D | 20:58 |
| harlowja | thx again everyone :) | 20:58 |
| harlowja | #endmeeting | 20:58 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 20:58 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Aug 15 20:58:28 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/state_management/2013/state_management.2013-08-15-20.00.html | 20:58 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/state_management/2013/state_management.2013-08-15-20.00.txt | 20:58 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/state_management/2013/state_management.2013-08-15-20.00.log.html | 20:58 |
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| russellb | #startmeeting nova | 21:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Aug 15 21:00:48 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is russellb. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova' | 21:00 |
| russellb | Hello, everyone! | 21:00 |
| hemna | hey | 21:01 |
| mrodden | hi | 21:01 |
| russellb | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Nova | 21:01 |
| n0ano | o/ | 21:01 |
| NobodyCam | o/ | 21:01 |
| hartsocks | o/ | 21:01 |
| russellb | annegentle: around? | 21:01 |
| alaski | hi | 21:01 |
| cyeoh | Hi | 21:01 |
| dansmith | o/ | 21:01 |
| annegentle | o/ | 21:01 |
| russellb | great | 21:01 |
| llu-laptop | o/ | 21:01 |
| russellb | #topic compute admin guide | 21:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "compute admin guide (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:01 | |
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| annegentle | woo I'm up | 21:01 |
| mriedem | hi | 21:01 |
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| russellb | annegentle: yep! what's up? | 21:01 |
| annegentle | so the guide mostly known as the Compute Administration Guide will be likely removed as that title, and distributed to the new Configuration Reference, User Guide, and Operations Guide | 21:02 |
| annegentle | it got really massive, bloated, etc. and we're parting it out. | 21:02 |
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| russellb | so, restructuring based on target audience? | 21:02 |
| annegentle | I want to make sure you're all good with that, and that I'm not missing some reason not to do that. | 21:02 |
| russellb | mostly anyway | 21:03 |
| annegentle | yes, the audience and their tasks. We find that "admin" and "operator" are mostly synonymous. | 21:03 |
| * russellb nods | 21:03 | |
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| annegentle | it may mean some "where'd that page go?" at release time, but I'm hopeful we'll get htat sorted out. | 21:03 |
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| russellb | could just be replaced with a page for a while explaining the split? | 21:04 |
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| annegentle | also, about 1/4th of docs visitors go to /trunk/, so we'll be working towards only about 2 guides going under the docs.openstack.org/havana umbrella | 21:04 |
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| annegentle | russellb: could be, yeah. I think the move towards only 2 documents under a release umbrella and many documents under /current/ or /trunk/ will help people see where the site's going | 21:05 |
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| annegentle | we'll certainly keep an eye out for patches as you near the features freeze, and help you find the right placement | 21:05 |
| russellb | ok, well sounds fine to me, and i appreciate the heads up | 21:05 |
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| russellb | any questions or concerns from anyone? | 21:06 |
| russellb | or virtual high fives for the docs team? | 21:06 |
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| annegentle | heh | 21:06 |
| * dansmith high-fives annashen | 21:06 | |
| dansmith | dammit | 21:06 |
| * dansmith high-fives annegentle | 21:06 | |
| dansmith | tab fail | 21:06 |
| annegentle | heh heh | 21:06 |
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| * annegentle lobs an 'e' to dansmith | 21:06 | |
| dansmith | yeah, I suck | 21:06 |
| russellb | i'm sure annashen appreciated the high five, too. | 21:07 |
| dansmith | heh | 21:07 |
| annegentle | I really think the amount of content we have is astonishing, but it also concerns me that it's outdated all the time :) | 21:07 |
| annegentle | so be on the lookout for DocImpact bugs you can pick up because you know the code | 21:07 |
| annegentle | that's all I got! We're ready for the onslaught :) | 21:07 |
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| russellb | yeah ... i wish we did a better job helping keep it up to date, beyond just tagging things with DocImpact | 21:07 |
| russellb | but i haven't come up with any brilliant suggestions | 21:08 |
| russellb | obviously, getting in there and writing stuff would help :) | 21:08 |
| russellb | but how to generally encourage that kind of thing as features come in | 21:08 |
| russellb | something to think about some more | 21:08 |
| comstud | ohmtg | 21:08 |
| russellb | comstud: way to announce how late you are :-p | 21:09 |
| annegentle | yeah definitely just get it out of your brain onto text of any form | 21:09 |
| annegentle | heh comstud | 21:09 |
| timello | (late) o/ | 21:09 |
| harlowja | (late 2) \o | 21:09 |
| annegentle | the docs team can take it the rest of the way | 21:09 |
| russellb | annegentle: yeah, maybe we'd have better luck just ensuring there's a wiki page | 21:09 |
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| russellb | ensuring the blueprint includes or links to some form of user doc content before the feature patch is merged ... something like that | 21:10 |
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| annegentle | russellb: we read the blueprint pages as much as possible, those are good places to braindump | 21:10 |
| russellb | yeah, i just don't think we (in nova anyway) really put as much efffort into ensuring the content is there by the end of it | 21:10 |
| russellb | sometimes the user details aren't finalized until they very end of development, and the blueprint content is usually written much earlier | 21:10 |
| russellb | i know you know all of this well :) | 21:11 |
| annegentle | russellb: we have really good tagging of our docimpact stuff and automated much of it | 21:11 |
| russellb | just acknowledging that we could and should do better i guess | 21:11 |
| annegentle | russellb: and, we automated a bunch of config info | 21:11 |
| russellb | nice | 21:11 |
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| annegentle | sure, we keep eating the elephant a bite at a time | 21:11 |
| russellb | ha | 21:11 |
| russellb | fair enough | 21:11 |
| russellb | anything else? | 21:11 |
| annegentle | that's it | 21:11 |
| russellb | cool, thanks! | 21:11 |
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| russellb | #topic havana-3 status | 21:12 |
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| russellb | #link https://launchpad.net/nova/+milestone/havana-3 | 21:12 |
| russellb | deadline to have patches *proposed* is EOD Wednesday, August 21 | 21:12 |
| russellb | less than 1 week away | 21:12 |
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| russellb | we're actually in pretty good shape, lots of stuff is already up for review | 21:12 |
| russellb | then it'll be an insane review rush up to the feature freeze ... | 21:13 |
| russellb | so with all that said ... let's dive into specific blueprints | 21:13 |
| russellb | any specific ones folks here would like to cover? | 21:13 |
| russellb | anything on this list that people know won't make it and should be deferred? | 21:13 |
| russellb | vishy started a thread about his live snapshot work: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2013-August/013688.html | 21:14 |
| russellb | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2013-August/013688.html | 21:14 |
| russellb | we talked about it last week | 21:14 |
| russellb | looks like he's trying to build some consensus around whether that will go in or not | 21:15 |
| russellb | so if you have an interest in the feature, please provide input on that thread | 21:15 |
| russellb | no blueprints anyone wants to cover? everyone heads down in panic coding mode? :) | 21:15 |
| timello | hehe | 21:15 |
| dansmith | russellb: yes | 21:16 |
| russellb | timello: how's your cold migrations migration coming along? | 21:16 |
| harlowja | heads down, trying not to panic, ha | 21:16 |
| mriedem | russellb: this needs review: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/powervm-configdrive | 21:16 |
| yjiang5 | russellb: can low priority one give information? | 21:16 |
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| mriedem | russellb: does the blueprint owner just change status to 'needs review'? | 21:16 |
| russellb | mriedem: yeah, or I (or anyone in nova-drivers) can | 21:17 |
| mriedem | ok | 21:17 |
| russellb | updated | 21:17 |
| russellb | yjiang5: sure | 21:17 |
| timello | russellb: we got some important changes merged, I'm working on in the final step which is move things that are in compute.manager to conductor. Everything from the scheduler have been moved already | 21:17 |
| timello | there is a WIP for it, hopefully today I'll submit the ready for review patch. | 21:17 |
| russellb | timello: nice, sounds good | 21:18 |
| yjiang5 | timello: possibly we can have some changes to the resource tracker in I release . | 21:18 |
| timello | yjiang5: yes, plus that... | 21:18 |
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| russellb | alright, moving on for now then | 21:19 |
| russellb | #topic subteam reports | 21:19 |
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| russellb | any subteams want to provide an update? | 21:19 |
| harlowja | \0/ | 21:19 |
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| hartsocks | o/ | 21:20 |
| russellb | hartsocks: go ahead | 21:20 |
| hartsocks | folks are heads down the next two weeks… but... | 21:21 |
| hartsocks | We're tagging bugs with vmware-co-preferred to mark bug fixes or distro people to pull/pay attention to. | 21:21 |
| russellb | vmware-co-preferred? | 21:21 |
| russellb | what does that mean? | 21:21 |
| hartsocks | so... | 21:21 |
| mrodden | i was curious about that as well... | 21:21 |
| hartsocks | vmware-co <- vmware company | 21:21 |
| hartsocks | preferred <- fine wine. | 21:21 |
| russellb | ok, so, i don't like that. | 21:21 |
| dansmith | yeah. | 21:21 |
| russellb | launchpad doesn't prevent people from putting whatever tags you want, but, i don't like it | 21:21 |
| russellb | we don't have redhat-preferred, ibm-preferred, rackpsace-preferred, hp-preferred, etc etc | 21:22 |
| jog0 | russellb: there is precident with te cannonistack tag | 21:22 |
| russellb | and i don't like that either | 21:22 |
| hartsocks | Well… the idea is we wanted to find a way to mark publicly that these were patches that distro people should look to. | 21:22 |
| jog0 | russellb: fare enough, what do you propose instead | 21:22 |
| hartsocks | and… we got the idea from cannonistack. | 21:22 |
| russellb | that kind of thing is something for your company to figure out using your own system(s) | 21:22 |
| russellb | for red hat, we have our own public tracker | 21:23 |
| russellb | for canonical, they have other projects in launchpad | 21:23 |
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| russellb | but using the upstream bugs is not appropriate IMO | 21:23 |
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| hartsocks | I wanted to do this in a way that was public and upstream. | 21:23 |
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| russellb | public is good, but it belongs on a vmware tracker of some sort | 21:23 |
| hartsocks | The idea is, I don't want to get into the business of maintaining these lists outside of the public arena. | 21:23 |
| mrodden | would it be possible to create another launchpad project to use to track upstream project bugs... | 21:24 |
| hartsocks | I'm open to suggestions. | 21:25 |
| russellb | not using the upstream project bugs for noting your business priorities | 21:25 |
| russellb | is my suggestion :) | 21:25 |
| hartsocks | Hopefully we would only have to do this for a little while. | 21:25 |
| russellb | i'm not sure how else to express it | 21:25 |
| hartsocks | Well, the list comes from use-cases that don't flow through without the particular bug-fix. | 21:25 |
| russellb | but i'm basically -2 on it | 21:26 |
| clarkb | could you create a new LP org, add the bugs to that org then remove them from nova? | 21:26 |
| clarkb | then you don't even need to copy pasta | 21:26 |
| jog0 | what to do about https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bugs?field.tag=canonistack | 21:26 |
| hartsocks | These are nova bugs. | 21:26 |
| russellb | jog0: kill the tag preferably | 21:27 |
| jog0 | hartsocks: there may be a way to just use the launchpad API to make a list ala rechecks | 21:27 |
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| jog0 | (http://status.openstack.org/rechecks/) | 21:27 |
| russellb | https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bugs?field.tag=vmware | 21:27 |
| russellb | tagging something as affecting the driver is perfectly appropriate | 21:27 |
| hartsocks | I'll take out the tags by next weeks' meeting. But we'll need to figure out what else to do. | 21:28 |
| dansmith | hartsocks: presumably anything tagged as vmware-related and high priority == your special list anyway, right? | 21:28 |
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| jog0 | russellb: this may be worth a ML post to notify canonistack folks as well | 21:28 |
| russellb | sure, or just a more direct ping | 21:28 |
| russellb | i wouldn't kill it without a heads up | 21:28 |
| russellb | so they can make those notes elsewhere | 21:28 |
| hartsocks | dansmith: yes, but… there are fixes we've identified as being necessary to completing a "workflow" | 21:29 |
| dansmith | hartsocks: so if I could offer some experience, | 21:30 |
| dansmith | from an org that has done this for a very long time, | 21:30 |
| hartsocks | dansmith: we don't want to have a separate repo or anything for that, just let folks like canonical or whom ever know that's somethin for them to look at. | 21:30 |
| mrodden | bugzilla | 21:30 |
| clarkb | hartsocks: what about making the bug affect both orgs? | 21:30 |
| clarkb | hartsocks: you can manage priority and stuff independently | 21:30 |
| dansmith | this is why you build a tracker to manager your release and your relationship with your vendors, preferably with slick glue to keep it sync'd upstream | 21:30 |
| russellb | #action get rid of all business-priority related tags in launchpad, to kill off this bad precedent | 21:30 |
| russellb | #undo | 21:30 |
| russellb | #action russellb to get rid of all business-priority related tags in launchpad, to kill off this bad precedent | 21:30 |
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| hartsocks | dansmith: okay, but I was looking for the simplest thing possible. | 21:30 |
| russellb | hartsocks: but this is what every vendor has to do ... | 21:30 |
| russellb | to keep your business stuff separate from the upstream stuff | 21:31 |
| russellb | because they're not the same | 21:31 |
| dansmith | hartsocks: I understand your intentions are good, but it's just not the right way | 21:31 |
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| hartsocks | So we'll have the vmware tags removed by next meeting. Just have to figure out how else to track this w/o hiding it. | 21:31 |
| hartsocks | That's not even what I *really* wanted to talk about. | 21:32 |
| mrodden | hartsocks: clarkb's suggestion is what i would do | 21:32 |
| hartsocks | mrodden: I like it because it doesn't involve me figuring out how to build something new. | 21:32 |
| mrodden | right | 21:32 |
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| hartsocks | Thanks. Glad I mentioned the topic in meeting. | 21:33 |
| hartsocks | We are tracking these blueprints: | 21:33 |
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| hartsocks | Proposed, code posted, trying to get in good shape for core-reviewers | 21:33 |
| hartsocks | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/multiple-clusters-managed-by-one-service | 21:33 |
| hartsocks | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/vmware-nova-cinder-support | 21:33 |
| hartsocks | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/cinder/+spec/vmware-vmdk-cinder-driver | 21:33 |
| hartsocks | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/improve-vmware-disk-usage | 21:33 |
| hartsocks | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/vmware-image-clone-strategy | 21:33 |
| hartsocks | boom. | 21:33 |
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| hartsocks | That's what we hope to get into Havana in *priority* order. Note: priority for health of the driver. | 21:34 |
| hartsocks | That's EOL for me then. | 21:34 |
| russellb | cool, thanks | 21:34 |
| russellb | harlowja: did you want to give an update? | 21:35 |
| harlowja | def :) | 21:35 |
| harlowja | so taskflow has gotten initial integration with cinder, yaaaaaa | 21:35 |
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| russellb | cool | 21:35 |
| harlowja | otherwise mostly heads down, continuing persistence work there and hoping to get into nova soon :) | 21:35 |
| harlowja | picking up steam i think, but not to much steam since everyone busy in H3+ | 21:36 |
| russellb | so a design summit session giving an update on this library and proposed integration with nova may be a good discussion. | 21:36 |
| harlowja | agreed | 21:36 |
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| russellb | anything else? | 21:36 |
| harlowja | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/TaskFlow/HavanaSummitPresentationAbstract#Speakers | 21:36 |
| harlowja | that might happen ;) | 21:36 |
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| harlowja | but a design summit session sounds great to | 21:36 |
| russellb | ah ok. | 21:37 |
| harlowja | thats it with me, thx russellb | 21:37 |
| russellb | k, thx | 21:37 |
| russellb | any other subteams? | 21:37 |
| harlowja | np :) | 21:37 |
| n0ano | scheduler | 21:37 |
| russellb | n0ano: go for it | 21:37 |
| n0ano | long discussion on Boris' suggested scalability changes to the scheduler, no concensus, definitely post-havana, we'll need some sessions at the next summit | 21:38 |
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| n0ano | that's about it. | 21:38 |
| russellb | yep, sounds good to me | 21:38 |
| russellb | thanks! | 21:38 |
| russellb | #topic open discussion | 21:38 |
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| russellb | anything else from anyone? | 21:39 |
| jog0 | not sure where best to throw this out there but https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1212418 | 21:39 |
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| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1212418 in nova "SQLAlchemy performs poorly on large result sets" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 21:39 |
| jog0 | SQLA's ORM is a no go for scale | 21:39 |
| jog0 | 3 second DB 50 in sqla | 21:39 |
| russellb | ouch | 21:40 |
| melwitt | I have posted to ML about possible removal of the security_groups extension from v3 api, if anyone has any input. | 21:40 |
| russellb | how many instances are we talking about for the 2 seconds vs 53 seconds thing? | 21:40 |
| comstud | that particular case would be better if we didn't join | 21:40 |
| jog0 | so we need to sort that out at the summit | 21:40 |
| comstud | or we change what we join | 21:40 |
| comstud | but in general, the ORM mapping results does suck | 21:40 |
| jog0 | russellb: that was for 600k lines I think which will happen at scale for several calls I think | 21:41 |
| jog0 | in general we see this overhead on small calls to just the absolute times are not as bad | 21:41 |
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| russellb | so, sounds like we can make it somewhat better | 21:41 |
| jog0 | I hope so | 21:41 |
| russellb | ... and then there's the plan for a native mysql driver for some critical bits | 21:41 |
| * russellb looks at comstud | 21:41 | |
| dansmith | hey! | 21:42 |
| dansmith | don't distract him | 21:42 |
| dansmith | he has objects work due | 21:42 |
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| jog0 | russellb: but we can't just depend on that for everything .. postgres folks | 21:42 |
| russellb | jog0: sure, agreed | 21:42 |
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| russellb | jog0: need to make sqla work as best we can | 21:42 |
| jog0 | anyway we need a good plan for this just an FYI | 21:42 |
| jog0 | russellb: we can use it without the ORM for some benifits | 21:42 |
| comstud | :) | 21:42 |
| cyeoh | melwitt: it sounds like it can be removed, just need to preserve the instance create part | 21:42 |
| russellb | security group management? yeah makes sense to me | 21:43 |
| yjiang5 | jog0: comstud should we do something in H release for this performance issue? Or wait till summit discussion? | 21:43 |
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| shanewang | jog0: will that go before havana? I mean without orm. | 21:43 |
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| jog0 | yjiang5: no ORM wait I think | 21:43 |
| cyeoh | russellb: this is associating/disassociating security groups with instances, originally we thought nova had to been in the loop, but it appears not | 21:43 |
| jog0 | but somethings can be done now | 21:44 |
| jog0 | like https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1212428 | 21:44 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1212428 in nova "compute_node_get_all slow as molasses" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 21:44 |
| russellb | cyeoh: ack, sounds good then | 21:44 |
| shanewang | jog0: ack | 21:44 |
| melwitt | cyeoh: why keep instance create part? since that's also just a neutron update port? | 21:44 |
| russellb | nova creates the port though, right? | 21:45 |
| shanewang | comstud: is the orm issue a known issue in sqla? | 21:45 |
| jog0 | shanewang: also more analysis about solutions is needed for summit | 21:45 |
| jog0 | shanewang: yes | 21:45 |
| jog0 | we chatted in the #sqlalchemy room for abit on it | 21:46 |
| cyeoh | russellb: I'm pretty sure you pass the port that nova should use on the instance creation | 21:46 |
| comstud | there's some benefit in switching some things to use the core API vs the ORM API | 21:46 |
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| dansmith | cyeoh, russellb: it can go either way | 21:46 |
| comstud | but ultimately in my testing, both suck compared to a simple native mysqldb implementationn | 21:46 |
| shanewang | jog0: sad to hear that. | 21:46 |
| dansmith | the port can be created ahead of time or by nova I think | 21:46 |
| * russellb sometimes laughs to himself that we use a language like Python and then get surprised sometimes with performance issues :-) | 21:46 | |
| melwitt | russellb: if a specific port isn't specified in the create request, one will be created by nova | 21:47 |
| russellb | melwitt: cool | 21:47 |
| comstud | russellb: IKR | 21:47 |
| dansmith | wait | 21:47 |
| dansmith | PYTHON IS SLOW?! | 21:47 |
| russellb | IKR? | 21:47 |
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| jog0 | :-) | 21:47 |
| russellb | but if there's a clear usage issue we can change to get a significant performance improvement in a case like this, we should do it | 21:47 |
| russellb | sounds like that may be the case here | 21:48 |
| dansmith | yeah | 21:48 |
| alaski | I'd like to discuss https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1212798 if there's time | 21:48 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1212798 in nova "quota_usages not decremented properly after per user quota migration" [Undecided,New] | 21:48 |
| llu-laptop | hello, looking forward to reviews of this bp https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/utilization-aware-scheduling, it's about the generic framework to have compute manager reporting various metrics for scheduling purpose. Thanks. | 21:49 |
| russellb | alaski: sure, can look at it now | 21:49 |
| cyeoh | melwitt: so you're saying that if you want to set the security group on instance create then we expect the user to create their own port first and setup the security group first? | 21:49 |
| alaski | I'm pretty sure I'm reading the quota code correctly for my analysis of that issue | 21:49 |
| alaski | But what I don't know is the best approach to fix it | 21:49 |
| alaski | the quota_usages table could be incorrect after that migration | 21:50 |
| russellb | didn't per user quotas break the world last release too? :( | 21:50 |
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| melwitt | cyeoh: no, nova will create the port and associate with instance so it gets network. then to apply security group, you query neutron to pull the port using device_id == instance uuid and then do an update port with security group you want | 21:50 |
| alaski | russellb: that's what I've heard :( | 21:50 |
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| alaski | I was thinking of a new migration to force a resync of quota_usages | 21:51 |
| comstud | yes they did | 21:51 |
| russellb | yeah, that was my first thought | 21:51 |
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| comstud | and this looks somewhat familiar | 21:51 |
| comstud | this bug | 21:51 |
| russellb | and if this can't get worked out, then i'm not against ripping it out (again) | 21:51 |
| alaski | there's code in the sqlalchemy api to resync quotas, but I don't know if I can call that from a migration script yet | 21:52 |
| cyeoh | melwitt: isn't there a problem with a race there where for a while the the instance could have a security group you don't want? | 21:52 |
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| alaski | it may need to get rewritten to do the sync | 21:52 |
| cyeoh | melwitt: or more precisely would not have a security group that you do want. | 21:53 |
| russellb | alaski: well, sorry to see this is broken, sounds like you're on the right track for the fix IMO | 21:53 |
| alaski | cool. I'll try to migration approach | 21:54 |
| russellb | but if you keep looking at feel like this is more fundamentally busted, please keep me updated | 21:54 |
| alaski | kk. data integrity is the only issue so far | 21:54 |
| alaski | which should be fixable with a one time sync | 21:54 |
| russellb | and migrations are fun right now | 21:55 |
| russellb | with 10+ patches competing for a migration number | 21:55 |
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| russellb | kinda messy. | 21:55 |
| dansmith | -ETOOMANYMIGRATIONS | 21:55 |
| russellb | yar | 21:55 |
| alaski | yeah, mikal seems to have scripted his -1s for conflicts | 21:55 |
| russellb | yeah, he's done some cool work with db CI | 21:55 |
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| dansmith | whatever, I'll be impressed when he can make a "wah wah waaaah" sound during git-review for those | 21:56 |
| melwitt | cyeoh: I guess that's true, without the instance create part the instance would start in the default group, become available, and then afterward the desired group could be added. | 21:56 |
| jog0 | I won migration 208 | 21:56 |
| russellb | should we had out migration trophies? | 21:56 |
| yjiang5 | PCI has push migration from 197 to 209 now :) | 21:56 |
| russellb | another code review system, reviewboard, gives out trophies for random things | 21:57 |
| russellb | like, if your review # is a palindrome :-) | 21:57 |
| melwitt | cyeoh: I wasn't thinking that would be an problem but I'm not sure the use case | 21:57 |
| russellb | it's silly, and awesome. | 21:57 |
| bnemec | russellb: +1 | 21:57 |
| shanewang | jog0: sad to hear that, which means we need rebase:) | 21:57 |
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| jog0 | russellb: yes! | 21:57 |
| shanewang | hi, I have one more question for bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1212428, besides removing orm, is that decided to convert the stat table into an id and a stats json? or needs more analysis. | 21:57 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1212428 in nova "compute_node_get_all slow as molasses" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 21:57 |
| jog0 | shanewang: thinking now is convert but there was a similar attempt before that didn't work so more thought may be needed | 21:58 |
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| shanewang | jog0: got you | 21:59 |
| russellb | alright, looks like we're out of time for the meeting | 22:00 |
| russellb | thanks everyone! | 22:00 |
| NobodyCam | Good meeting, Thank you | 22:00 |
| shanewang | thank you | 22:00 |
| jog0 | thanks russellb | 22:00 |
| russellb | don't stress too much over the incoming deadlines :-) | 22:00 |
| russellb | #endmeeting | 22:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Aug 15 22:00:29 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2013/nova.2013-08-15-21.00.html | 22:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2013/nova.2013-08-15-21.00.txt | 22:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2013/nova.2013-08-15-21.00.log.html | 22:00 |
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