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johnthetubaguy#startmeeting XenAPI15:00
openstackMeeting started Wed Sep  4 15:00:11 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is johnthetubaguy. Information about MeetBot at
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.15:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'xenapi'15:00
johnthetubaguyhello all15:00
johnthetubaguywho is around for todays meeting15:00
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johnthetubaguyI have a few things for the open discussion15:01
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johnthetubaguyother people got stuff for later in the meeting?15:01
BobBalljust the stuff we were talking about with safe_copy_vdi earlier15:01
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johnthetubaguy#topic Actions from last meeting15:02
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johnthetubaguyBobBall: time for updates on VDI.copy workaround15:02
johnthetubaguyyou have a plan that involves taking snapshots?15:02
BobBallSo - for Mate and the logs - I realised why we use safe_copy_vdi - there get_cached_vdi function can have two independent calls to it - if one call finds the VDI not there, and starts to copy, the second call might see it and then try and copy it at the same time15:03
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BobBallCan't do two copys of the same VDI at the same time15:03
BobBallso we added this hack to do the copy outside of XAPI15:03
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matelAh, so it's some kind of locking.15:04
BobBallbut the right fix is to snapshot the VDI, copy it, then delete the snapshot15:04
BobBallthe copy of the snapshot creates a full copy - not the differencing disk15:04
BobBalland you can therefore do them in parallel15:04
johnthetubaguywell, would be nice for VDI.copy to do two copies at once, or block somehow, but snapshot seems like a good solution15:04
matelThat makes sense.15:04
BobBallthat leaves the only other possible race (which I assume is dealt with already) being in the glance plugin where it downloads it to a known UUID15:05
johnthetubaguyBob, is there a bug for that?15:05
BobBallVDI.copy can't do two at once - we have to mount the VDI and then it's in use15:05
BobBallGimme an action and I'll raise a bug15:05
johnthetubaguyglance doesn't download to a known uuid15:05
matelit's always re-generating uuids.15:05
BobBallit doesn't?  Then how will the caching ever work?15:05
BobBalloh hang on15:06
BobBallof course - sorry15:06
BobBallit matches the VDI based on image_id not the uuid15:06
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BobBallso what we need to do is once we find the image_id then we can use it - snapshot, copy, delete snapshot, done.15:06
johnthetubaguyuses image tag15:06
johnthetubaguyuuids are auto_generated on each call15:06
johnthetubaguyeven across retries15:07
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johnthetubaguyBobBall: got the bug id, we might have one already15:07
BobBallnot yet15:07
BobBallI haven't created it15:08
BobBallI'll do it after the meeting15:08
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1215383 in nova "XenAPI: Consider removing safe_copy_vdi" [Low,Triaged]15:08
johnthetubaguythere we go15:08
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johnthetubaguy#topic Blueprints15:08
BobBalloh right15:08
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BobBallI'll update that bug report15:08
johnthetubaguyits freeze day15:08
johnthetubaguymate, I see your patches15:09
johnthetubaguyI think everything else is in?15:09
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BobBallMine's in15:09
BobBallThere clearly isn't time to make the change to Mate's code before the end of freeze day15:10
BobBallCan we get it in and refactor as a bug during H-4?15:10
johnthetubaguymaybe, can't decide15:11
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johnthetubaguywould like another opinion15:11
BobBallCould we involve russelb?15:11
johnthetubaguycould do, I would rather be more general15:11
BobBallrussellb even - I assume that russelb doesn't trigger his hilight :D15:11
russellbi have russelb highlghted too actually :-)15:12
BobBalloh... ok :)15:12
russellbwhatcha need15:12
BobBallSo, the scenario is that we've got a change that could do with some refactoring to make it more generic15:12
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BobBallWe don't have time today to do that refactor15:12
BobBallso I was wondering what your thoughts were on using a bug to track the refactoring and us committing to fix it during H-415:13
BobBalland getting the fix in today?15:13
russellbwhich patch15:13
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russellbhow much time do you need?15:13
matelrusselb: those are the patches15:13
BobBallOnly a few days15:13
russellblike, could it be merged this week with a refactor?15:14
russellbi'd rather "do it right" in general15:14
russellbso if doing it right means you need an extra day or two, and it's limited to the xenapi driver15:15
russellband you guys are comfortable with it going in15:15
russellband johnthetubaguy commits to reviewing it immediately15:15
johnthetubaguyI am good with +2 if we commit to refactor next week15:15
russellbthen i think we can grant an exception for extra time15:15
russellbcan it be this week?  :-)15:15
russellboh i see what you're saying15:16
johnthetubaguywell, it could be called a bug15:16
johnthetubaguybasically, its some extension to the glance download/upload15:16
russellbwould you be upset if this went out in havana without a refactor?15:16
johnthetubaguyI would be OK with that I guess15:16
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russellbjust using that as a test for whether it should go in now or not15:16
johnthetubaguyjust its extra driver specific stuff, where it doesn't have to be I guess15:16
russellbnot saying we should do it15:16
russellbah i see15:16
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russellbwell if you're OK with it as is, i say go for it15:17
johnthetubaguydoes targz raw images download/upload15:17
russellband then we'll evaluate the refactor when ready15:17
russellbhard to call it a bug though15:17
johnthetubaguycool, OK15:17
johnthetubaguyyeah, thats fair15:17
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russellbbut maybe we'll look at it and decide it's worth it15:17
russellbhard to say15:17
russellbi'm speaking high level, haven't been able to look at code15:17
russellbbut if you want it in havana, sounds like you should merge what you have as long as you're OK with it as is15:18
russellbif it was just another day, i'd grant an extension15:18
russellbbut if we're looking at next week ... i'd go with what you have15:18
russellbgood luck guys :)15:18
johnthetubaguyrussellb: thanks15:18
johnthetubaguyOK, so I am +2 on those now15:19
johnthetubaguywe should move on15:19
matelOkay, thanks.15:19
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johnthetubaguy#topic Docs15:19
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johnthetubaguyany updates this week15:19
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johnthetubaguyI saw some activity bug wise that could be related?15:19
BobBallthat was you too :)15:19
matelSo install guide15:19
matelI was thinking, that we should move all xenserver setup stuff to the install guide15:20
matelSo that it would be part of both RH, Ubuntu, etc docs15:20
johnthetubaguywould be nice to add some specific nova-compute steps too15:20
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johnthetubaguywould be good to not make it look like we just cut and paste some ideas to the front of the doc, they are quite step-by-step structured from what I remember?15:21
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johnthetubaguyso any more on that?15:24
johnthetubaguyor shall we move on to QA?15:24
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BobBallThere were going to be more updates on docs next week - but if Mate has to do the rebasing... ;)15:24
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BobBallmove on to QA yeah15:25
johnthetubaguy#topic QA and Bugs15:25
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johnthetubaguyhows the gating stuff going?15:25
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matelMate will be on Holiday for 10 days starting next week Monday15:25
BobBall is an interesting one15:25
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1218528 in nova "openvswitch-nova in XenServer doesn't work with bonding" [Medium,Confirmed]15:25
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BobBalloh okay - gating15:25
BobBallSS is now automatically commenting with the XS bugs15:26
johnthetubaguylets come back to that one15:26
BobBallafter we've parsed out the puppet and build failures15:26
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BobBallso that's on the road to getting -2 privs for SS15:26
BobBallwhich is great15:26
BobBallBUT the infra team are too good15:26
johnthetubaguyyeah, yet are very impressive15:26
BobBallor, more importantly, a combination of -infra and tempest15:26
BobBallnow the nodes are running tempest in parallel test times have almost halved15:27
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johnthetubaguytempest would be a much better set of tests to run, because devs can run them15:27
BobBallmaking the plan of SS commenting before tempest completes less useful15:27
BobBallIt's now much more of a race condition than it was before15:27
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BobBallso I'm not happy for SS but of course faster gate checks are better15:27
BobBallin terms of where that leaves us... well... it's an interesting one15:28
johnthetubaguywell SS still tests XenServer, and that is golden15:28
johnthetubaguywithout that, we will get pulled out of nova15:28
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BobBallI've also been working with RS cloud to get a XS virtualised - which works now15:28
BobBallso I'm now thinking about how to get that into HP cloud15:28
johnthetubaguycool, thats a good thing to have15:28
BobBallat which point we could run subset of tempest (I'd rather keep it to a subset than the full thing)15:28
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johnthetubaguydoes tempest work in the RAX cloud now?15:29
BobBalland have that integrated in -infra fully15:29
johnthetubaguyKVM + HVM should work right?15:29
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BobBallcan't use RAX because it uses xenstore to pass the IP which we can't get at because we're running Xen in the HVM which would intercept the hypercalls15:29
BobBallso until RAX uses configdrive we can't do nested tempest there15:29
johnthetubaguythat should be very very soon15:29
BobBallin terms of HP, they use DHCP, so if I can get an instance there we can use it15:30
johnthetubaguyexcept it doesn't have the IP address in there for some reason, I need to work on that then15:30
BobBallgetting an instance there is more fun because HP don't support PXE or iso or image upload...15:30
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johnthetubaguyhmm, enjoy15:30
BobBallplan is to do something extremely ugly15:30
BobBallbut quite fun15:31
BobBallcreate centos image - new partition to dump the XS iso on, replace bootloader, kernel, initrd, reboot and pray15:31
johnthetubaguywhat about testing xenserver-core?15:31
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johnthetubaguyhmm, well that could work15:31
BobBallxenserver-core has a number of things we're working on fixing ATM.  XS is more "certain" than xenserver-core in terms of how confident we are that it'd work15:31
johnthetubaguyOK, well keep in touch about the RAX issues, we have a few things in the pipe to fix that soon(ish) at least15:32
BobBallwell I'd quite like to create that hacky swizzle script15:32
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BobBallthat way we can replace anything with a XS with the right IP etc15:32
BobBallwould be very cool15:32
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BobBallAlthouhg... the next problem would be that infra expect everything to run in the host that you ssh to... so maybe would need redirection to the domU and some weird setups15:33
johnthetubaguyyeah, thats the bit I think is worth trying to fix15:33
johnthetubaguyhmm, so you could use Rescue mode on RAX to hack around the IP issue15:33
BobBallI'm hoping it'll be quite simple - but unless we can get the hard bits done I'm not going to look at that15:34
johnthetubaguymount the disk and inject the IP address, for the moment15:34
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johnthetubaguybut I think it would be better to fix that issue of integration with infra stuff, rather than getting XenServer running, that should fix its-self in a few days15:34
johnthetubaguybut thats just my 2 cents15:34
BobBallbut if I can get the swizzle working I'd use that to install XS on the RS cloud too15:34
BobBallthe way it works at the moment (hidden images, PXE boot, custom URL...) is faffy too15:35
johnthetubaguyyeah, for sure15:35
johnthetubaguyanyways, bugs you want to mention15:36
johnthetubaguywould be good to set a goal for H-4 too15:36
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1218528 in nova "openvswitch-nova in XenServer doesn't work with bonding" [Medium,Confirmed]15:36
johnthetubaguyyeah, I didn't quite get what was going on there, do tell15:36
johnthetubaguysome init script running in Dom0??15:36
BobBalltos et up the firewall rules15:37
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johnthetubaguyMAC and IP address stuff?15:37
johnthetubaguyhmm, that was written for bridge and nova-network right?15:38
johnthetubaguyoh, maybe not15:38
johnthetubaguysays OVS15:38
BobBallbut it is nova-network15:39
BobBallI think15:39
BobBallyes, of cousre it is15:39
johnthetubaguysure, nova-network flatDHCP with OVS15:39
BobBallI've got another fun one15:40
BobBalllet's talk about it here!15:40
johnthetubaguyyeah, that stuff is a mystery to me15:40
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BobBalllooks at nova's interpretation of a host15:40
johnthetubaguyoh right15:40
BobBalleach service has a host and a node15:40
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BobBallwith host being set to what the compute reports and node being set to hypervisor_hostname15:40
BobBallI think that's plain wrong.15:40
BobBallI think it should be the other way round15:41
BobBallbut changing it probably breaks the world15:41
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johnthetubaguynot sure, that stuff was added for baremetal15:41
johnthetubaguyhost is defiantly nova-compute though15:42
johnthetubaguybug do go on15:42
johnthetubaguyyou got a link?15:42
BobBalljust getting it15:42
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BobBallMy issue is that "host" should be the hypervisor and "node" should be the compute node15:43
BobBallbut this gets them the wrong way round15:43
johnthetubaguynot so sure, the host has always been nova-compute15:43
BobBallThere are one of two bugs here15:43
BobBalleither nova has got it wrong15:43
BobBallor XenAPI needs to report the DomU name as hypervisor_hostname15:44
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BobBallwhich is completely screwy15:44
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BobBallthe node has always been the nova-compute too :)15:44
BobBallexcept for XenAPI15:44
johnthetubaguyyeah, given the current model, I thought it would be both DomU address15:44
BobBallso surely we get to chose which way round it is? ;)15:44
BobBallit's not15:44
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BobBallservice['host'] is the DomU name15:45
BobBall'hypervisr_hostname' is the hostname15:45
BobBallit's fine for libvirt15:45
BobBallbut all other hypervisors have probably got it the other way round15:45
johnthetubaguyso the service host has to be what the RPC message goes to15:45
BobBallATM yes15:46
johnthetubaguythe node, in baremetal, is the thing the VM is (or in our case, runs on)15:46
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johnthetubaguyanyway, we are getting descracted15:46
BobBallIs this another question that Mr RB would be good to call in on? just to understand which way round it should be?15:46
johnthetubaguywhat is the issue with trusted filer?15:46
BobBallThe problem is the TrustedFilter uses .host15:46
BobBallwhich is the DomU15:46
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BobBalland .node "feels" wrong15:47
johnthetubaguywell node is the DomU always15:47
johnthetubaguyI mean15:47
BobBallbut if .host really is the compute node and .node really is the host for the VMs then TrustedFilter needs changing15:47
johnthetubaguynode is what is running nova-compute15:47
BobBallnot according to that code :D15:47
BobBall.node is the machine15:47
johnthetubaguyoh man15:47 is nova-compute15:47
johnthetubaguyI typed it wrong15:47
johnthetubaguyyep, host is nova-compute15:47
BobBallwhich is wrong.  Almost as wrong as calling VMs servers...15:48
johnthetubaguynode is the specific hypervisor, or baremetal node15:48
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johnthetubaguywell depends what you are looking at15:48
BobBallSo TrustedFilter has it the wrong way round15:48
BobBallyeah - TrustedFilter _MUST_ check the host15:48
johnthetubaguytrusted filter is meant to confirm the nova-compute code, I thought?15:48
BobBallthe hypervisor that'll run the VMs15:49
johnthetubaguyas well at the KVM hypervisor right?15:49
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johnthetubaguywell, in KVM land it would apply to the whole host right?15:49
BobBall is what I mean15:49
BobBallsure - but the thing that can register as trusted is the hypervisor only15:49
BobBalleven in KVM land there is no trustworthyness of the nova code15:50
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BobBallthat's never checked15:50
BobBallonly the hypervisor (I think in KVM it's just kernel and qemu even)15:50
johnthetubaguyso its what the attestation server is confirming15:50
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BobBallThe attestation service only knows about the hypervisors15:50
johnthetubaguywell I think the trusted filter should be checking the other value15:50
BobBallit has no knowledge at all about the nova-computes15:51
johnthetubaguythat should work for both right?15:51
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BobBallwho knows :)15:51
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BobBallif we're asserting that in KVMland the two are always the same value15:51
johnthetubaguyyep, I am15:51
johnthetubaguyI thought that was true for us too, but it makes sense we use the second value15:51
johnthetubaguyfor a cluster you have nova-compute, hypervisor-x15:52
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johnthetubaguybut bare meta has nova-compute, random-server-for-VM-on-bare-metal-thingy15:53
johnthetubaguyrunning out of time15:53
johnthetubaguyany other bugs?15:53
BobBallbut lets save some of the fun for next week15:53
johnthetubaguyWhat is our goal for H-4?15:53
johnthetubaguyI would like to see all medium bugs squashed, is this a crazy idea?15:53
BobBallProbably - depending on what they are15:54
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BobBallWe want to seriously improve the docs15:54
johnthetubaguywell, medium as defined by the priority15:54
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johnthetubaguyYes, docs would be a good thing too15:54
BobBallI meant depending what the specific bugs are15:54
johnthetubaguyAre you Citrix guys concentrating on docs then?15:54
johnthetubaguyI am talking about all bugs that impact key features15:54
BobBallfor the next few weeks yes15:55
BobBallbut we'll see how that goes15:55
BobBallI don't think most of the bugs are as bad as the docs ATM15:55
BobBallso that is our priority15:55
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johnthetubaguyOK, that sounds good15:55
johnthetubaguyI will concentrate on bugs, if you guys are on Docs15:55
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johnthetubaguyI will try rope in some help from some other Rax guys too15:55
johnthetubaguywe only have a few weeks for bug fixing15:56
johnthetubaguybefore we get more cautious towards release15:56
johnthetubaguyOne more thing...15:56
BobBalloh yeah15:56
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johnthetubaguytesting release candidates, and things15:56
johnthetubaguywe should really help out with that, make sure H has good XenServer support15:56
johnthetubaguyI mean some testing beyond the CI15:57
BobBallI'd much rather get more stuff tested in the CI15:57
johnthetubaguystuff like full tempest (do you run that all the time now?) plus manual testing through the GUI to make sure it all hangs together OK15:57
BobBallwhich is a background thing we've been working on15:57
BobBallyes - full tempest is running in the CI and passing15:57
johnthetubaguyOK thats good15:57
matelI'm just wondering, could we get an account, and report the results?15:58
johnthetubaguyI am only talking about half a day playing with the builds manually at RC?15:58
matelVoting with +1 ?15:58
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BobBallonly once we've got the logs auto connected matel15:58
johnthetubaguymatel: its open to anyone, so go for it15:58
johnthetubaguyBobBall: you can just use for the logs15:58
BobBallI know - but we need the CI to collect them15:58
BobBallwhich it doesn't yet15:58
matelIt requires a captcha for big files15:58
johnthetubaguyhmm, that sucks15:59
BobBallbesides which - we've got space we can put it - so no need to use paste15:59
BobBallwe'll see15:59
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BobBallCan we call time?16:00
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BobBalland johnthetubaguy16:00
BobBallcan I call it?16:00
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BobBalldamn you :P16:00
BobBallNext week let me #endmeeting if we overrun16:01
BobBallI want to test my change to meetbot16:01
BobBalljust make sure it worked properly in production as well as the tests16:01
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johnthetubaguyOK… just test it in alt right?16:01
BobBallhave to leave the meeting running for an hour16:01
johnthetubaguyI can start one now16:01
BobBalland I'm likely to forget16:01
johnthetubaguyah, I see16:01
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jgriffith#startmeeting cinder16:03
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openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.16:03
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'cinder'16:03
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jgriffithany cinder peoples about?16:03
* caitlin-nexenta waves16:04
DuncanT-I'm here16:04
DuncanT-Nothing on the agenda yet16:04
jgriffithI'll just give some updates and open things up16:04
jgriffithwas hoping avishay would be around but apparantly he's off on vacation16:04
jgriffith#topic reviews16:04
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DuncanT-Can I get a quick summary on where we are with the freeze and any exceptions please?16:04
jgriffithDuncanT-: :)16:04
jgriffithso on that....16:05
DuncanT-(I've not been paying enough attention)16:05
jgriffitheverything that's been granted an exception thus far is in process16:05
jgriffiththere's nothing else that I'm planning on accepting especially at this point16:05
jgriffitha few things were snuck in, but that's ok16:05
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bswartzwhat is the status of ?16:06
jgriffithSo take a look at this list16:06
jgriffiththese are the items we should be focused on for reviews today16:06
zhiyanjgriffith: do you like give some support for landing r/o-volume in nova side?16:06
jgriffithzhiyan: I can try16:07
bswartzokay cool16:07
zhiyanjgriffith: cool16:07
eharneywhat moves blueprints from "needs code review" to "implemented"?  is that a big red button jgriffith has on his desk or automatic?16:07
* jgriffith currenlty16:07
jgriffitheharney: ^^16:07
jgriffitheharney: seems that the launchpad bot isn't very good lately16:07
jgriffitheharney: I've been updating status16:07
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jgriffitheharney: it is supposed to be automagically picked up by the bots16:08
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jgriffithso any changes that are not in the 10 needed reviews on that LP page, please ignore for now :)16:08
skolathujgriffith: wanted to check on the FC plugin support..I had addressed pretty much all comments except the latest that came today morning from Navneet16:09
jgriffithWe need to focus on the NetApp and Dell EQL changes16:09
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jgriffithskolathu: I'm a bit concerned about your timing on that16:09
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skolathujgriffith: Yeah, I know it got a little late. I had been working on the comments during last few days..16:10
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skolathuI am clearing the new comments also now16:10
skolathuHope there won't be any other gating issues16:11
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jgriffithJust a reminder today is the cut off for H316:11
jgriffiththus the concern with rushing something like that through16:11
jgriffithskolathu: it doesn't seem like it's ready IMO16:11
jgriffithanybody else have thoughts?16:12
jgriffithhemna: DuncanT- eharney ?16:12
kmartinhemna is driving into the office16:13
skolathujgriffith: I think I can clear all comments till now today. But are you suggesting there has to be more reviews?16:13
eharneyany h-3 bugs need attention?16:13
DuncanT-It still seems to be getting a lot of feedback to me16:13
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jgriffitheharney: a few, however the priority is features16:14
jgriffitheharney: we have milestones for bugs still :)16:14
DuncanT-56 comments on the latest review... that's enough to make me wary16:14
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jgriffithDuncanT-: ?16:15
eharneyjgriffith: we might as well punt that LVM volume clearing bug off of h-3 at least16:15
jgriffithDuncanT-: NM16:15
DuncanT-jgriffith: The FC stuff16:15
jgriffithDuncanT-: yeah, I'm with ya16:15
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jgriffithskolathu: I'm willing to see how it plays out16:16
jgriffitheharney: sure16:16
jgriffithanyway... my whole point was:  The bp's that need review have to be priority today16:16
jgriffiththere's a lot of complaining lately about review tims16:16
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jgriffithI want to remind that submitters are responsible for timely turn around as well16:17
jgriffithit goes both ways16:17
jgriffithand it will help your karma considerably to do reviews on other peoples code as well16:17
jgriffithcinder is not a dumping ground for code/drivers16:17
jgriffithany questions/concerns?16:18
jgriffith# topic retype16:18
jgriffith#topic retype16:18
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skolathujgriffith, DuncanT: I think the new comments are pretty straightforward and should be easy..I'll address them shortly and will see how it goes.16:18
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jgriffithso I started working on retype command16:18
jgriffithbut there's some conflicting views on what this should be16:18
kmartinwill retype require driver changes?16:19
jgriffithmy thought was local retype, with no migration16:19
jgriffithavishay however submitted a patch that copies that but also makes it do a migration16:19
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jgriffithkmartin: it would16:19
jgriffithseems to me that it's too late in the game16:19
kmartinI agree16:19
jgriffithsince there's disagreement on what it should do etc16:19
jgriffithand I'm also not sure about migration functionality as it is16:20
kmartindid the same thing last release with config and half the drivers were broke out of the gate16:20
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* DuncanT- wants it to do everything. With unicorns on top16:20
jgriffithDuncanT-: quadricorns!!!16:20
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jgriffithkmartin: fair16:21
* DuncanT- starts on a blueprint16:21
jgriffithalright, I'm going to defer it16:21
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kmartinjgriffith: +116:21
jgriffith#topic other questionable bp's16:21
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jgriffithPersonally I feel this introduces a good deal of un-needed complexity16:22
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jgriffithI'd like to get other people to provide input and feedback16:22
eharneyhow many people have a good understanding of this work at this point?16:23
* DuncanT- doesn't any more16:23
eharneyi know i don't16:23
kmartinnot me16:23
jgriffithok, sounds to me like this one's out16:23
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jgriffithTBH I'd much rather wait and do a proper/clean integration via keystone16:24
DuncanT-Makes sense to me16:25
zhiyanjgriffith: sounds good to me16:25
caitlin-nexentaAlso makes sense to me. Let keystone/nova/whomever worry about this.16:25
jgriffithso from my perspective everything else on the list right now is a go16:26
jgriffithThat give us 9 patches as the priority16:26
jgriffithanything people see missing from that list, or disagreements with what's there?16:26
jgriffithkeep in mind the "add tests in test_db api" can be late if need be16:26
jgriffithchanges to tests are part of feature freeze16:27
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jgriffithOk... guess that it then :)16:28
eharneyone question16:28
jgriffith#topic open-discussion16:28
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jgriffitheharney: go for it16:28
eharneywhat's the schedule/policy/etc around cinderclient changes at this point?16:28
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jgriffitheharney: cinderclient is an open book :)16:29
jgriffitheharney: it's not tied to milestones16:29
topsharehave someone use ceph?16:29
eharneygood, because i'm probably going to propose something soon16:29
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jgriffitheharney: I'll do a tag to pypi later next week and then problem another before final release16:29
jgriffitheharney: :)16:29
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jgriffithtopshare: say what?16:29
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jgriffithso I want to spend today and the rest of the week just focusing on H316:30
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jgriffithwe'll start up on some other things like the driver qual etc first thing next week16:30
jgriffithI'll get the code up and start talking to folks about some different ideas16:31
jgriffithanybody have anything else?16:31
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* DuncanT- would like to know if anybody considers themselves well versed in policy stuff?16:31
jgriffithDuncanT-: :)16:31
DuncanT-(because I unserstand even less than I thought I did)16:32
jgriffithDuncanT-: yeah... sadly I thought I knew more than I do there as well16:32
zhiyanjgriffith: can you add this to you list:
jgriffithFor everybody's benefit the goal is to figure out how to disable extensions16:32
guitarzansome way other than just manually enabling all the extensions you want?16:33
jgriffithguitarzan: even that would be fine via policy file16:33
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eharneyi'm not sure about the context here (something with extend volume right?)16:33
jgriffithguitarzan: but I *thought* you could enable/disable specific actions in the volume_actions module16:34
DuncanT-Specifically I want to disable extend and only extend16:34
guitarzanah, we disable entire extensions just via cinder.conf16:34
jgriffitheharney: yes, be able to disable os-extend16:34
DuncanT-I can't find a syntax to do it16:34
guitarzanDuncanT-: let me look16:34
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eharneyyou may be able to do it via policy.json16:34
DuncanT-Thanks all16:34
eharneyset rule is_admin etc16:34
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DuncanT- is the bug16:34
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1220752 in cinder "Can't disable extend_volume call via policy" [Undecided,New]16:34
jgriffitheharney: that's something I tried but didn't work out the way I'd hoped :)16:34
jgriffitheharney: I set a new role "disabled_exts"16:35
jgriffitheharney: and assigned that to the extension in the policy file16:35
jgriffitheharney: I may have missed something16:35
eharneyjgriffith: some of the work we just did in Nova also tied whether the extension was enabled to whether you were coming in via publicURL API or adminURL16:35
eharneymaybe another thing to consider but i'm still kinda fuzzy there on the exact details16:35
guitarzannova's policy engine is smarter than cinders16:35
jgriffitheharney: ahhh...16:35
jgriffithguitarzan: :(16:36
eharneythere was a bug out there somewhere about porting Cinder to use oslo's policy code but i'm not sure where it ended up16:36
guitarzanI saw some of the syntax the cloud servers guys use and it doesn't work in cinder16:36
jgriffitheharney: it was a nightmare!16:37
jgriffitheharney: I started working on it, then somebody said they wanted to take it..16:37
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jgriffitheharney: I think his name started with hem and ended with a16:37
guitarzanit looks like you should be able to do policy out the volume api extend call...16:37
jgriffithOk, let's take that offline and see if we can get it to work as expected16:37
jgriffithanything else?16:38
eharneyjust thanks for everyone reviewing stuff16:38
jgriffithbig thank you to EVERYBODY!16:38
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jgriffith3'rd milestone is always hectic16:38
jgriffithbut this one's going well I think with the soft freeze16:39
jgriffithOk.... one more day of review focus please :)16:39
jgriffithremember turn around time on comments/feedback16:39
jgriffithand don't be crazy about typos in comments and such at this stage if you can avoid it :)16:39
jgriffiththanks everyone!16:40
jgriffith#endmeeting cinder16:40
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jgriffithI forgot my game16:40
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jgriffithbswartz: sorry if I dissappointed :)16:40
bswartzjgriffith: it's okay -- I'm working on hacking the bot so it won't matter16:40
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Subbu_jgriffith: would this be reviewed for h3? Hope it is not too late to ask now?16:42
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jgriffithSubbu_: it's targetted and in so it's good16:43
Subbu_jgriffith: Thanks for clarifying! Will wait for the reviews.16:44
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hartsocks#startmeeting VMwareAPI17:00
openstackMeeting started Wed Sep  4 17:00:51 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is hartsocks. Information about MeetBot at
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'vmwareapi'17:00
hartsocksgreetings stackers!17:01
hartsocksWho's online?17:01
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hartsocksToday's the last day to work before feature freeze. I'm sure folks are busy.17:02
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danwentvuil: perfect, was just planning on pinging you to ask if you were joining :)17:03
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hartsocksThis is normally the part of the meeting where I ask about bugs.17:04
hartsocksBut I think everyone is pretty focused on reviews.17:04
hartsocksWhy don't we start there?17:04
danwentseems smart17:04
hartsocks#topic reviews17:04
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hartsocksI've been working off of the priority order list we built a while ago...17:04
hartsocksThis is the multiple-cluster review...17:05
hartsocksIt was rev-ed less than an hour ago.17:05
hartsocksI'm waiting on the test results from CI before I re-review.17:05
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danwentyeah, garyk added some additional tests17:06
danwentbased on russell's request17:06
danwentthe good news is that we have the attention of two core reviewers17:06
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hartsocks*go team*17:07
smurugesanHey all, Sabari here17:07
tjonesyeah!  and russell said it looks good other than tests17:07
hartsockssmurugesan: hey glad you joined.17:07
hartsocksHopefully the last round of CI testing comes back clean and we can just have this merge.17:08
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smurugesanI couldn't make it for the last few weeks. Good to be here :D17:08
DarkSinclairGreetings Dan, Shawn.  When appropriate I'd like to make a request if possible.17:08
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hartsocksDarkSinclair: we'll have plenty of open-discussion time at the end this week.17:08
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hartsocksNext on my list17:08
dimsHi all17:09
hartsockswaiting to merge it looks like… has 2 +2's and an approve...17:09
hartsocksdims: hey.17:09
hartsocksLooks like it's waiting on an approve so it can merge.17:10
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hartsocks#link Merged!17:10
hartsocksDeploy vCenter templates17:11
hartsocks 17:11
danwentvuil: does it make sense for you to re-rev the template patch yourself?17:11
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hartsocksvui: looks like you have a −1 here?17:11
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hartsocksvuil: can you address this issue yourself? I think Kiran is travelling.17:12
vuilsorry offscreen17:12
vuilI am going to rerev the patch.17:13
hartsocksvuil: thanks.17:13
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hartsocksvuil: if you need help figuring out the process, I'll be around late tonight.17:13
vuilneed to tease out what else needed to be done to the vm cloned from the template17:14
vuilsure thanks Shawn.17:14
hartsocks"Enhance VMware instance disk usage" is recently rev-ed.17:14
hartsocksIt's on my list to re-review next.17:14
hartsockssitting idle (that's the image clone stuff) not as important as the other features.17:15
hartsocksThe three bugs I was tracking are...17:15
hartsocksmerged except for:
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hartsocksThis is Sabari's ....17:16
hartsocks"Fixes host stats for VMWareVCDriver"17:16
danwenthartsocks: we should also talk about the second half of the cinder stuff17:16
smurugesanyes, I think it's important to show the correct stats to the users17:16
hartsocksThis is a bug so it can go later.17:16
danwenthartsocks: unless i missed that discussion already17:16
hartsocksI mentioned them…17:16
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hartsocksnova-side cinder support17:17
danwentnot the nova side, there is an additional patch that is in cinder that has not really been on our radar17:17
danwentit is owned by subbu17:17
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danwentbut he is based in india, I believe, so if we get feedback from the core cinder team, we could use someone on our team to re-rev that17:18
hartsocksAdding it to my list.17:18
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hartsocksLooks like ...17:19
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hartsocksfirst review merged, this second one didn't merge yet...17:19
danwenthartsocks: exactly17:20
danwentI just ping jgriffith and he said it was one of the items the team discussed at their meeting right before us17:20
hartsocksdanwent: normally, I sit in on jgriffith's meeting … I'll spend some time with this review myself then.17:21
hartsocksAny other reviews we need to pay attention to?17:21
danwenthartsocks: that is the only I noticed that wasn't on our list already17:21
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hartsocks#action vmwareapi team members review to support cinder team17:22
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hartsocksHopefully, we don't have to apply for exception on any blueprint patches. I will send out a note after the 5th to the Mailing List if there's a significant miss.17:23
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hartsocksanything else on reviews folks want to bring up?17:23
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hartsocksOnly a few more hours before the 5th. Thanks for staying on top of things!17:24
hartsocks#topic bugs17:24
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smurugesanI would like some +1 s on the host stats patch that you mentioned last17:24
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hartsocks#action reviews for
smurugesanAlso is a good change that needs to be in17:25
hartsocksFortunately, bugs aren't under as much pressure as blueprints (bug fixes can be back ported).17:26
smurugesanGood to know that Shawn!17:27
tjonesand we all love to backport ;-D17:27
hartsocks#action give timely follow up on
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hartsocksanything else we need to be aware of in front of the feature freeze?17:28
hartsocksThere is an exception procedure for feature freeze. I hope to not have to use it.17:29
hartsocks#topic bugs17:29
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hartsocksAny bugs we need to be aware of? (that we aren't already?)17:30
hartsocksgoing once...17:30
hartsocksgoing twice...17:30
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hartsocksI think we're all properly focused on getting those critical blueprints through.17:31
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hartsocks#topic open discussion17:31
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hartsocksThe floor is open… what's going on?17:31
hartsocksDarkSinclair: ping17:32
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DarkSinclairI've had an internal request after an Audit to explore the opportunity of encrypting the vmware virtual center user's password in the nova-compute.conf file.  Is this within teh realm of possiblity?17:32
hartsocksPossible? yes.17:33
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hartsocksAt the moment you'll have to either…17:33
hartsocksuse a symmetric cipher17:33
hartsocks… that is encrypt the password in the file, then decrypt it in memory right before Python SUDS uses it.17:33
hartsockswe'll have to add SSO support to the driver.17:34
hartsocksThat's in a blue print for IceHouse...17:34
* hartsocks digs around for blueprint link.17:34
DarkSinclairi was hoping the later ;)  The next Audit request is around accountability and ownership, SSO support would alleviate both concerns.17:34
hartsocksThe vCenter SSO service starting at vSphere 5.1 ...17:34
hartsocksallows for holder of key tokens.17:34
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danwentDarkSinclair: yeah, this is definitely something we want to work on17:35
hartsocksI decided to not try and get SSO into Havana because we were running tight as it was.17:35
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DarkSinclairIs it possible to proxy authentication of the logged in Openstack user for vCenter authentication?17:35
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DarkSinclairit's understood there's no chance for Havana.17:36
hartsocksThere's a few moving parts there...17:36
danwentDarkSinclair: we'll probably provide a way to backport the change17:36
DarkSinclairdanwent: even better.17:36
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danwentbut its unlikely that it will be backported to the official branch, unless we can spin it as a security issue17:37
hartsocksWe should probably have a conversation with some vSphere SSO experts on what the best thing to do is.17:37
DarkSinclairMy timeline is 6 months to a year, so it aligns with I-release17:37
hartsocksThere might be something clever we can do with a Keystone plugin either in keystone or in vCenter.17:38
hartsocksWhen you say "proxy" you mean...17:38
DarkSinclairdoes Keystone in havana better support Microsoft AD integration?  (i havent checked yet.  if so, that would be excellent.)17:38
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hartsocksto be honest I've not watched keystone closely this cycle. I'd have to dig in code.17:39
danwentDarkSinclair: not sure, but exploring connections of our SSO and keystone is on our list to explore17:39
hartsocksWould AD integration in keystone plus AD integration in vCenter (already there in 5.1) be enough to satisfy your req?17:39
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hartsocksThat would mean there really wouldn't be much integration between keystone and vCenter SSO.17:40
* russellb waves17:40
hartsocksBut… you would have to re-auth on both sides.17:40
hartsocksrussellb: hei hei!17:41
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russellbhartsocks: need anything while i'm around17:41
hartsocksrussellb: we're all anxiously watching those reviews… listed in the channel already.17:41
danwentrussellb: we really appreciate the work you've been doing on our reviews the past few days17:42
DarkSinclairhartsocks: ideally all authentication is against individual users in AD.  SSO is already setup and pulling from AD, if we could re-use that from Openstack and keystone, that'd be perfect17:42
russellbdanwent: np17:42
russellbhartsocks: cool, reviewing what i can17:43
hartsocksrussellb: thanks.17:43
danwentlooks like jenkins is struggling a bit :)
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hartsocksrussellb: and I have been working on your IPC problem in the test harness a bit… :-)17:44
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russellbdanwent: ah, that neutron thing again :-p17:44
russellbthough ideally the recheck wouldn't have said "no bug"17:44
russellbneed to reference the bugs so it's clear how much problems are affecting the gate17:44
danwentrussellb: agreed17:45
hartsocksDarkSinclair: I'll record some of this conversation in the blueprint for discussion in the next design summit.17:45
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danwentrussellb: we should be available on irc if anything pops up during the day17:46
hartsocksrussellb: if something/someone is stuck you can ping me17:46
DarkSinclairhartsocks: thanks.17:46
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russellbhartsocks: danwent ok will do, will ping if i need updates on anything17:47
russellblooking over the multiple cluster one again now17:48
hartsocksrussellb: thanks.17:48
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hartsocksAnything else folks need to discuss while we have people's attention?17:50
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DarkSinclairWill everything work w/ vSphere 5.5 ?17:51
DarkSinclairaka: any known got-chas currently?17:51
hartsocksDarkSinclair: we have had testing with 5.5 and so far we've not had anything come back to us.17:52
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hartsocksDarkSinclair: we do have an open bug on using more than one dataCenter … but that's not a 5.5 specific thing… and we have a set of proposed fixes for the problem. They aren't blueprints (feature requests) so they've been lower priority for the last week or two.17:54
hartsocksDarkSinclair: just a BTW thing. If you use one datacenter things work well.17:54
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hartsocksWith that, I'll give people back a few minutes.17:55
hartsocksThanks for all your hard work.17:55
hartsocksVMworld and this feature freeze at the same time was a lot to do!17:56
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hartsocksSee you all next week.17:56
hartsocksAnd we're in #openstack-vmware if you need us.17:56
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notmynameswift meeting time19:01
notmyname#startmeeting swift19:01
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notmynameagenda for today
notmynamewho's here?19:02
* chmouel is back from holidays19:02
* creiht looks around19:02
notmynamewelcome back :-)19:02
notmynametorgomatic: here?19:02
notmynamesmall group here today19:03
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notmynamehmm...should we defer until next meeting?19:04
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notmynameincluding zaitcev, that's only 4 of us here19:04
chmoueli think that would make sense19:04
portanteI'd be okay with that19:05
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notmyname#info only 5 of us here, defer the topics until next meeting19:06
notmynamethanks for those that are here19:07
dfgis meeting cancelled?19:07
portantedfg, you make six19:07
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portantenot many people attending19:07
notmyname5, actually, right?19:07
dfgaren't I being here enough?19:07
dfgi think i should count as 219:08
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notmynamestill doesn't give us many people here19:08
portantedfg: does that mean we can give you more tasks?19:08
dfgno- i'm just a good listener. or ignorer. one of those19:09
notmynamemost stuff can probably be handled in the day-to-day IRC. the advantage of talking about it here is it being a place where many people are together19:09
notmynameand if not many people are here, let's defer19:09
dfgfine with me. see ya19:09
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shardy#startmeeting heat20:00
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shardy#topic rollcall20:00
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zanebhowdy y'all20:00
sdake_feeling ill today may not be all that responsive20:01
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sdake_watching from bed20:01
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adrian_ottosdake: sorry to hear that. I hope you feel better soon.20:01
sdake_thanks adrian20:01
sdake_school plague season20:01
* sdake_ ughs20:01
shardyHi all, lets get started20:02
shardyhope you feel better soon sdake ;)20:02
shardy#topic Review last week's actions20:02
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sdake_fever broke so should be better tomorrow20:02
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shardyThere was only one, which I think randallburt has in progress20:02
randallburtconverted to bug so we can track it there from here on out.20:03
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shardy#info andrew_plunk to move Rackspace resources to /contrib directory20:03
shardy#action randallburt to move Rackspace resources to /contrib  directory20:03
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radixI have a question about that20:03
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1220798 in heat "Move Rackspace Resources to contrib" [Medium,Triaged]20:04
radixwill the feature freeze apply to contrib?20:04
shardyradix: ummm20:04
asalkeldradix wants get out of jail free card20:04
shardyI think it makes sense for it to apply to the whole tree, we should be moving to test/bugfix mode20:04
zanebradix: maybe you should explain what you're planning ;)20:04
stevebakeris contrib included in the tarball?20:04
radixwell, I'm gonna be working on some of those regardless20:05
zanebstevebaker: definitely IMO20:05
radixthe Rackspace resources I mean20:05
radixsorry I'm on a phone :p20:05
adrian_ottoyes, contrib should be in the tarball, and the freeze rules should apply to the whole tree.20:06
shardySo, just to clarify, we only have a couple of weeks until RC1, at which point master will be open for Icehouse development20:06
zanebso, purely from a Rackspace point of view, I think there would be advantages to testing/bug fixing against a stable set of features20:06
radixthat's fine20:06
stevebakergiven that they are self-contained and work with a service on a different release cycle, there could be a case for being more relaxed20:06
shardySo my preference is just to pause on the features until we get RC1 branched20:06
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radixshardy: oh! OK, good to know20:06
shardyany objections or other opinions?20:06
radixthat's great20:06
zanebshardy: +120:06
stevebakershardy: sounds good20:07
kebrayIs there a target date for branching RC1?20:07
radixthanks :)20:07
shardyok, cool, which brings us to;20:07
kebrayah, duh. thx.20:07
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randallburtshardy:  to clarify, since this is a bug, I can get it in before RC? or are you saying wait until RC.20:08
shardy#topic Feature Freeze, final status for h320:08
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shardyrandallburt: yes, it's just features (blueprints) which are frozen20:08
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shardybugs are fine20:08
randallburtcool, thought so, just wanted to be sure.20:08
shardySo the feature freeze is EOD today, ttx is going to cut the milestone-proposed branch early tomorrow20:09
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ttx2 bp left open20:09
shardyThere are still quite a few patches we need in to complete the last two bps20:10
ttx parallel-delete and  vpnaas-support20:10
shardyttx: yup20:10
asalkeldso from now on patches have to be cherry picked?20:10
ttxasalkeld: no20:10
zanebjust approved the parallel-delete patch approx 8s ago20:10
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shardyzaneb: thanks20:10
asalkeldcool thanks ttx20:10
ttxasalkeld: the mp branch that will be cut tomorrow is just for h320:10
asalkeldmakes sense20:11
ttxmaster is still used for havana feature freeze exceptions and bugfixes until we do RC120:11
ttxthen master unfreezes20:11
ttxmakes sure everyone stays focused on the RC buglist20:11
bgorskisorry i had some technical problems20:11
bgorskiwhat about the vpnaas patch?20:12
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shardySo, we need some reviews for vpnaas, and for those up over the next few hours to keep an eye incase stuff needs rebasing20:12
shardybut overall we're looking in pretty good shape20:12
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bgorskiSo the patch with requirements changes is merged already?20:13
ttxshardy: do you think those las two will make it in hte nex thours ?20:13
stevebakerare we considering extensions for any features that miss the boat?20:13
bgorskiIf so I will rebase my patches20:13
ttxshardy: or do you plan to require exceptions for them ?20:13
shardyttx: I hope so, but it depends on the gate (and reviews for the vpnaas, although I've +2'd them all)20:13
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shardybgorski: Your patches need rebasing over the trusts patch which bumps keystoneclient20:14
ttxshardy: if all it needs is a couple more hours it's fine for FFE. It's just slightly inconvenient that they miss the H3 boat20:14
shardyttx: Ok, well if necessary we may need a FFE for parallel-delete and vpnaas20:15
ttxok noted20:15
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shardyttx: I bumped as-update-policy as it was just getting too late20:16
ttxshardy: ack20:16
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shardyAnyone have anything to add, or any questions?20:16
ttxvpnaas is a no brainer since it's well contained20:17
asalkeldbgorski, there seems to be a requiresments change needed?20:17
shardyttx: agree, patches all lgtm too20:17
ttxparallel-delete is slightly more invasive but I guess it's worth it20:17
shardynice work bgorski20:17
ttxas long as they merge in the next days we should be fine for FFE20:18
ttxin case they need one20:18
shardyNice work everyone on h3, we've got through a huge pile of bps and bugs, really great work :)20:18
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shardyasalkeld: no it needs rebasing on my bumped keystoneclient version20:19
asalkeldok, cool20:19
stevebakerwe should probably do those requirements version changes in separate commits20:19
shardystevebaker: rather than in the commit which requires them?20:20
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shardystevebaker: I think that happened anyway for neutronclient, but I bumped keystoneclient in the trusts patch20:20
stevebakerwell, I'm talking about the automatic requirements changes that happen just by running devstack20:20
stevebakerif it is coupled to the code, then ignore me20:20
bgorskiasalkeld: thx, I a little bit distructed but I'm trying to keep up with you guys20:21
shardyasalkeld: Yeah, the same bump happens in the first vpnaas patch, but shouldn't conflict20:22
shardyoh that needs a rebase anyway20:22
* SpamapS o/20:22
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shardyasalkeld, stevebaker: are you in a position to pull some of these and re-propose if needed, if there are simple rebases that need to happen over the next few hours?20:23
shardyor should we just let things slip and use the FFEs to get them in later?20:23
stevebakeryep, we can nurse them in20:23
shardystevebaker: Ok, cool, probably easier if possible20:23
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shardyOk, on to open discussion, or anything remaining re h3?20:24
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shardy#topic Open Discussion20:25
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shardyAnyone have anything to raise?20:25
stevebakershall we talk docs next week?20:25
asalkeldshardy, we really need deployment guide20:25
shardystevebaker: yup, need a docs sprint soon20:25
stevebakerdeployment guide should really be integrated with the one20:26
shardyalthough the template orientated docs are already looking really good, so kudos to all who made that happen :)20:26
asalkeldbtw I am off for 3 weeks from the end of this week20:26
shardyasalkeld: nice! :)20:26
SpamapSI am curious about HOT templates.20:26
zanebstevebaker: I've been thinking about the multi-region stuff20:26
SpamapSthe heat-templates repo currently has only 220:26
stevebakerzaneb: yes?20:26
radixoh no! we'll miss you asalkeld :)20:26
shardySpamapS: more would be good20:27
zanebstevebaker: I think configuring the region always makes sense, so we should go ahead with that change...20:27
radixwell we could auto convert a bunch couldn't we?20:27
SpamapSI think as part of the test/fix/document effort we should put special emphasis on writing HOT templates.20:27
SpamapSand using HOT in examples.20:27
zanebstevebaker: but, I also think the multi-region thing makes sense *provided* it's only used for stand-alone Heat installations20:27
stevebakerSpamapS: +120:27
SpamapSBut.. is it.. stable enough for that?20:27
randallburtwe've been working on several HOT templates. There are a couple of repos out on github we can pull from and consolodate20:27
shardySpamapS: I think the example templates can follow the docs (which look nearly there atm)20:27
SpamapSI was thinking I'd start by converting tripleo-heat-templates to HOT.20:28
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shardySpamapS: but go for it if you want to contribute some :)20:28
randallburtThey seem to be working fine so far20:28
shardySpamapS: cool, sounds good20:28
zanebstevebaker: so I'd support adding that as well, as long as it's something configured in the config file. preferably using a different middleware.20:28
stevebakerzaneb: hmm, that sounds fine. it could either go into the auth_password middleware or something else in the standalone pipeline20:28
shardyrandallburt: Ok if you have stuff you can contribute to heat-templates that would be great20:29
stevebakerand better yet, its *obviously* a bug ;)20:29
zanebstevebaker: my thoughts exactly ;)20:29
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randallburtshardy:  will do20:30
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shardymore provider template examples would be really good too20:31
stevebakershardy: how will heatclient know not to send credentials on create when trusts are enabled?20:31
spzalarandallburt: cool. Are those new HOT templates? or converting existing ones?20:31
shardystevebaker: It still sends credentials20:32
shardystevebaker: we just create a trust internally instead of storing them20:32
randallburtshardy:  those might be a little broken atm wrt HOT. we're investigating now20:32
stevebakerbut it doesn't strictly need to does it? because the trust is created from the token?20:32
shardyrandallburt: Ok, pls raise bugs with details20:33
shardystevebaker: well you need to pass either user/pass, or token20:33
shardythen that's used to create the trust, which we store the ID of20:33
randallburtwill do when I figure out what's going on. its in the refactored attribute/property schema conversion code somewhere I think.20:33
SpamapSseems like a follow up to heatclient would be to try w/o creds first20:33
adrian_ottowe should consider adding a feature to suppress sending of credentials when trusts are used, and probably a hot expression to enable that so the template itself can indicate that heatclient should act that way.20:33
shardytrusts does *not* mean heatclient works without credentials!20:34
shardywhere are people getting that from?20:34
adrian_ottono, it does not need to send them after it's using a trust20:34
SpamapSseems logical to me20:34
adrian_ottoso sending them when a trust is in play is redundant20:34
shardyadrian_otto: that's wrong, all it means is that we no longer store the username and password20:35
SpamapSshardy: why do we keep sending it to Heat though?20:35
stevebakershardy: currently on create, credentials are sent to keystone, then token *and* credentials are sent to heat20:35
shardyand that deferred operations now work with token auth, not just user/password20:35
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zanebshardy: surely you can just send a token, not the username/pass20:35
SpamapSshardy: shouldn't we just .. trust .. that stacks we created have a trust, and talk to heat using our heat token?20:35
stevebakerideally it should be credentials to keystone, then only a token to heat20:35
shardystevebaker: yeah, we only need the token when trusts are enabled20:35
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shardythats the other big enhancement, over not storing creds20:36
asalkeldis there a way to check if the cloud you are talking to supports trusts?20:36
asalkeld(via api)20:36
SpamapSRight so it seems to me that we should be able to try to operate with token.. and if that fails.. fall back to u/p20:36
shardySpamapS: you can talk to heat with whatever credentials or token you like as long as keystone will validate it20:36
shardywhat you authenticate against the heat API with has nothing to do with trusts (which we just use internally)20:37
stevebakerso I think SpamapS is right, heatclient can attempt without creds first, then with on failure20:37
shardyasalkeld: You could try to read the OS-TRUST path of the v3 keystone API20:37
shardybut atm we expect deployers to enable it via a config file option20:38
radixcould heat grow an api that allows users to pass in a trust and no u/p?20:38
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asalkeldjust thinking of the multicloud option20:38
zanebshardy: other services only allow token auth though, right?20:38
SpamapSradix: I was hoping that was how it would work actually.20:38
shardystevebaker: when you say creds, you mean user/password right?20:38
stevebakershardy: yes20:38
stevebakerradix: we may need something like that if we add oauth20:39
shardyas a bearer token is a credential in my mind, which is why I'm confused20:39
SpamapSAFAIK, trusts are behind the scene right now.20:39
SpamapSbut they certainly could be something that heatclient fetches itself from keystone, and gives to heat, right?20:39
shardyOk, so *yes* trusts should allow Heat to work properly, including deferred operations like AutoScaling with token-only auth20:39
stevebakershardy: ah, sorry.20:39
shardySpamapS: no, the user passes either a token or user/pass to heat, then *heat* creates the trust internally20:40
radixhm. OK20:41
shardythen we store the ID of that trust, and use it to impersonate the stack creator, e.g when we create an instance for AutoScaling20:41
SpamapSshardy: I know that is how it works now. I am hoping that we can let the client do the trust creating and heat will never be made aware of the user/pass.. eventually. :)20:41
shardySpamapS: you mean pass a trust ID to heat via the API?20:41
shardySpamapS: yes, that should be pretty easy to add now20:41
SpamapSshardy: seems like it would require a bunch of work in heatclient and inside heat, and would be a good candidate for early icehouse :)20:42
shardySpamapS: yeah, I was thinking pretty easy when it hits the engine..20:42
SpamapSshardy: the only real benefit though is improved security for usernames and passwords... I think.20:43
shardySpamapS: Ok, I'll raise a BP and we can discuss this at summit20:43
shardySpamapS: why can you just pass a token?20:43
shardywhich works now?20:43
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radixtrusts are revokable too, right?20:43
shardyradix: yes20:44
SpamapSshardy: pass a keystone-access token which enables you to create the trust? If that works, cool.. didn't think it would.20:44
shardySpamapS: that works now, with what was merged today20:44
shardy(hopefully ;)20:44
SpamapS"in theory"20:44
stevebakerhey, I need to go now20:45
SpamapSwell then that would mean only temporary secrets being passed around.. which is a win, IMO.20:45
shardy<disclaimer> etc ;D20:45
zanebstevebaker: o/20:45
shardySpamapS: yeah, it's a step in the right direction20:45
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shardystevebaker: o/20:45
SpamapSshardy: well hopefully we have all gained clarity on the situation. Thanks.20:45
radixso is it possible to get full functionality out of heat and autoscale without giving heat a u/p?20:45
SpamapSradix: sounds like "yes in theory"20:45
SpamapSbut that heatclient still passes u/p "because"20:46
shardySpamapS: cool, everyone keep firing questions at me over the next few weeks as you try this stuff out, hopefully we can gain collective knowledge and test exposure :)20:46
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shardyradix: Yes, but it's not very well tested yet as it was only merged today :)20:47
radixsure :)20:47
shardySpamapS: we should add a token-only option to heatclient if one doesn't already exist20:48
shardyanyone have anything else to raise for the last 10mins?20:48
SpamapSI would like to raise that you are all ninjas.<EOM />20:49
zanebSpamapS: rofl20:49
shardyOk, well we can wrap up early then20:49
shardygreat work everyone :)20:50
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sarob_reed: you there?23:01
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MarkAtwoodthe community meeting is now?23:06
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sarobreed: yo23:10
reedhi there23:11
reedmeeting time?23:11
reedTom is lost in a Russian embassy23:11
sarobi just sent the community track gsheet link23:12
reedyou can't wait to hear the full story, can you? :)23:12
sarobumm, nope23:12
sarobi had a former manager get held at the canadian border for 6 hours23:12
sarobthat was a good one23:12
sarobcanadians didnt want his kind23:13
reedmaybe I should start the meeting, it'll be a fast one :)23:13
reed#startmeeting openstack-community23:13
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reed#topic past action items23:13
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reedreed to organize the event before Sep 14 -- done23:14
reed#info we have the Ask OpenStack meeting scheduled for Thursday (tomorrow) at 6pm PDT on IRC #openstack-community23:15
reedspread the word, please23:15
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fifieldthi reed23:15
fifieldtsorry I'm late - russian embassy took longer than expected23:15
reedoh, did they deny asylum ?23:15
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fifieldthahaha :)23:16
reedah, we have a spammer23:16
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fifieldtnow to finx the syntax for ban :s23:16
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sarobblock? i think23:16
reedfifieldt, we were reviewing past action items23:17
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reedthere we are, it left23:17
reedbut it makes sense that spammers target the channels that are logged with a web archive23:18
reedgeez, so smart and so useless23:18
reedin the todo was: fifieldt to give a first stab at drafting the blog post for the training sprint23:18
fifieldtI started the post23:18
fifieldtit's not finished, sadly23:18
reedwhat's the deadline for that?23:18
* fifieldt looks to sarob23:19
fifieldtI wrote up a bunch of text to introduce the community training project, since maybe not everyone knows about it yet23:19
reedindeed, good way to start23:19
fifieldt"""The OpenStack Community Training project aims to provide community-generated manuals, to enable skill development for maintaining, consuming, and contributing to OpenStack. Started by a group of people in San Francisco, USA, led by Sean Roberts and Colin McNamara, the team is expanding and looking for new members."""23:19
sarobwhere did it be?23:19
sarobcollab on gdoc?23:20
reedsarob, for
sarobor email?23:20
sarobeither good for sarob23:20
reedemail is bad23:20
sarobbad email, bad23:20
sarobgdoc then?23:20
reed#info email is bad23:20
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fifieldthow about ?23:21
sarobroger that23:21
reedetherpad is good23:21
reed#info etherpad is good23:21
fifieldt#info it's lovely weather in the bay area right now23:21
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reedI haven't had time to look at changes in askbot to pass them to clarkb23:22
reed#action reed to look at the recent changes in askbot and pass data to clarkb. Low priority.23:22
reedthis ends the review for past action items23:22
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reedsilly caps-lock23:23
reedi'm reviewing a bunch of bug fixes from zagile for the Community Insights, a new release is expected for some time next week23:23
* sarob all this yelling...23:23
fifieldtfrom me - 2nd ambassador program post went live, with a subtle link to the application form23:24
fifieldt19 applications so far (5 from the same person, so really 14  crazy people)23:24
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fifieldtsince there's been only positive feedback I need to do a proper call for people23:25
sarobso i should submit more than one application?23:25
sarobgeez, who knew?23:25
fifieldtbut want to get some more ideas down on the wiki first23:25
fifieldtthat's all for ambassador program status23:26
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fifieldtI'd like to enquire as to status of launchpad answers migration, and any other askbot things23:27
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reedI made no progress on that, sorry23:27
fifieldtno problems!23:27
fifieldtalso, I note the enthusiast badge bug is fixed :)23:27
reedI think the askbot system is working decently now23:27
reedI think Atul is right and we do need to focus on quality from now on23:28
reedat least for a while23:28
fifieldtyay for koolhead1723:28
reedbtw, fifieldt, get to Rackspace if you're not too sleepy and go out for drinks later23:28
reedkoolhead17 and notmyname are around23:29
fifieldthah, I will think about that, tempered with the fact I've not slept for 30 hours :)23:29
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fifieldtsf rockin'23:29
koolhead17hi all23:29
fifieldtkoolhead17, this is our community team meeting23:30
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fifieldtwe were just talking about the status of askbot23:30
koolhead17fifieldt: w0ot. Better come over we all are here23:30
reedon the Travel Program: we have notified all applicants, most of them replied. I'll have a meeting tomorrow with Lauren, Tom and Claire to sync up the status. Will probably be able to report the results next week.23:31
reedstarted to look at the speaking proposals for the tracks at the summit23:31
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reed#info Groups portal: started working on the UX design, things are moving along23:32
sarobexcellent, cant wait23:33
reedyeah, me too...23:33
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reedI need to go soon23:35
reedanything else to discuss?23:35
koolhead17reed: yes we have started beer bash here :D23:35
reedwe're being logged23:35
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koolhead17reed: no :P23:35
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koolhead17sarob: pinged you couple of times, let me know when your free, can chat23:36
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sarobcan now23:36
* sarob no beer though23:36
* sarob :(23:36
koolhead17sarob: you could have come here. :D23:37
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sarobi gots my boy's football practice to go to in 1523:37
sarobotherwise id be there!23:37
sarobwhats up?23:37
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sarobkoolhead17: keg roll over you?23:41
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