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devananda | #startmeeting ironic | 19:01 |
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openstack | Meeting started Mon Sep 30 19:01:06 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is devananda. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:01 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:01 |
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: ironic)" | 19:01 | |
openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ironic' | 19:01 |
devananda | hi all! | 19:01 |
lucasagomes | o/ | 19:01 |
romcheg | Good evening! | 19:01 |
yuriyz | hi | 19:01 |
rloo | hi | 19:01 |
linggao | Hi | 19:01 |
devananda | I believe NobodyCam is on the road right now, but he might pop in to join us | 19:01 |
devananda | I've done a brief update to the agenda, added some notes -- https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Ironic#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 19:02 |
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devananda | and I'll try to be brief, so we have time for any discussions that folks want to have :) | 19:02 |
devananda | #topic CFP for summit | 19:02 |
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devananda | #link http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/topic/7 | 19:03 |
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devananda | so far we have 6 proposed talks | 19:03 |
dkehn_ | hi | 19:03 |
devananda | some of them are geared towards long-term goals | 19:03 |
devananda | which is great | 19:03 |
devananda | and I want to encourage more folks to submit session ideas | 19:04 |
devananda | but also, we need to focus on getting to the first functional release in the Icehouse cycle | 19:04 |
devananda | *early in the ... | 19:04 |
devananda | so I've set aside one session for us to talk about that: http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/details/139 | 19:04 |
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devananda | any questions on hong kong? | 19:04 |
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devananda | ok, moving on | 19:06 |
devananda | #topic testing | 19:06 |
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romcheg | I have a few updates here | 19:06 |
devananda | great | 19:06 |
devananda | i have only one -- that I've been testing lucasagomes' python-ironicclient in conunction with NobodyCam's undercloud image | 19:07 |
devananda | and they work well together :) | 19:07 |
romcheg | I have written API tempest tests that cover simple API usage: CRUD operations on the resources | 19:07 |
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romcheg | Several gates still fail but I expect to fix that tommorow | 19:07 |
devananda | awesome! have a link handy? | 19:07 |
lucasagomes | :) I've been testing the ironicclient with romcheg's devstack and it working fine as well! | 19:07 |
romcheg | I think it's the time to create a non-voting job for Infra? | 19:07 |
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romcheg | devananda: I do have a link but the latest changes are not there | 19:08 |
devananda | sounds good to me. mordred ? ^ | 19:08 |
romcheg | Gimme a sec | 19:08 |
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romcheg | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/48109/ | 19:08 |
romcheg | There are just a few CREATE tests | 19:08 |
mordred | what did I do? | 19:09 |
romcheg | I just test everything locally — faster | 19:09 |
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mordred | yes! I believe non-voting jobs in Infra are a great idea! | 19:09 |
devananda | :) | 19:09 |
romcheg | then you can create an # action for me | 19:10 |
devananda | #action romcheg to propose a non-gating job to -infra | 19:10 |
devananda | #action romcheg to propose a non-voting job to -infra | 19:11 |
romcheg | Two actions is always better than one :) | 19:11 |
devananda | romcheg: that's really good news :) thanks for working on all the testing side of things! | 19:11 |
lucasagomes | hehe | 19:11 |
devananda | anything else on testing before we move on? | 19:12 |
romcheg | Also devstack now exposes a different endpoint | 19:12 |
romcheg | Might be essential for lucasagomes who is testing the client | 19:12 |
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devananda | romcheg: ironic-api service is registered as "baremetal" service type, yes? | 19:13 |
lucasagomes | romcheg, I'll take a look... so you sorted out the thing about having to explicit put /v1 on the path? | 19:13 |
romcheg | Exactly | 19:13 |
romcheg | lucasagomes: Yes, I got another +10 to diplomacy :) | 19:13 |
lucasagomes | :) | 19:13 |
devananda | :) | 19:13 |
lucasagomes | sweet | 19:13 |
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devananda | #topic python-ironicclient | 19:14 |
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devananda | so we've already touiched on this a few times :) | 19:14 |
devananda | basically, lucasagomes rocks,a nd we have a python client in progress | 19:14 |
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romcheg | lucasagomes: I think I can add the client to devstack, right? | 19:14 |
lucasagomes | yes! | 19:15 |
romcheg | cool | 19:15 |
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devananda | i would think so. it's working fine for me locally! | 19:15 |
romcheg | please, action me more :) | 19:15 |
devananda | ironic node-list ... ironic node-create ... etc .. | 19:15 |
devananda | #action romcheg to add python-ironicclient to devstack install scripts | 19:15 |
lucasagomes | there's a patch upstream implementing update on resources | 19:15 |
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lucasagomes | so the basic commands are almost all there | 19:15 |
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lucasagomes | there = upstream | 19:15 |
devananda | lucasagomes: yep. i saw but haven't reviewed yet. will try to find time today, bu tmight not get to it | 19:16 |
lucasagomes | np :) | 19:16 |
devananda | we're approaching the state of "must land change in A before we can test change in B" | 19:16 |
devananda | ie, dependencies between python-ironicclient and devstack/tempest's ability to test ironic | 19:17 |
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devananda | also, vendor_passthru landed in trunk | 19:18 |
lucasagomes | yea, getting things working soon will give us a lot of time to polish Ironic and release a very good v1 on icehouse | 19:18 |
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devananda | IMHO, we should expose that in the API client, but not necessarily in teh CLI itself. | 19:18 |
lucasagomes | +1 | 19:19 |
lucasagomes | if vendors want to have a client then can create their own using the lib | 19:19 |
lucasagomes | and then they can expose their custom functions | 19:19 |
devananda | lucasagomes: yep. the sooner we get all the bits together and into -infra, the more time we have to be sure it all works before icehouse | 19:19 |
devananda | lucasagomes: exactly | 19:19 |
yuriyz | but my new small test on nodes API side failed, Pecan broken again | 19:19 |
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yuriyz | https://bugs.launchpad.net/pecan/+bug/1233258 | 19:20 |
uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1233258 in pecan "'_default' handler does not work" [Undecided,New] | 19:20 |
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devananda | dhellmann: another pecan issue with latest release ^^ | 19:21 |
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dhellmann | did that used to work? | 19:21 |
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yuriyz | Yes, existing code broken | 19:22 |
lucasagomes | dhellmann, yes, that was how we were implementing our vendor_passthru resource | 19:22 |
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dhellmann | what is that? | 19:22 |
dhellmann | ok, I think I'm caught up with the code | 19:22 |
dhellmann | I probably would have had the vendor provide a controller implementation and plug it into the main controller tree explicitly, but if this was working we should make it work again | 19:23 |
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lucasagomes | it's a resource that allows vendors to extend our API in order to expose some custom functionality | 19:24 |
devananda | dhellmann: this is implemented so that teh vendor doesn' tneed to patch the API, and so the API doesn't need to load plugins | 19:24 |
devananda | dhellmann: vendor can provide a plugin to the conductor node, and our existing API just forwards special requests to their driver plugin | 19:24 |
dhellmann | why is having the api not load plugins a design goal? | 19:24 |
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devananda | dhellmann: separate functionality for what is core / common to all drivers vs. what is an extension to the vendor's driver | 19:25 |
lucasagomes | #link http://docs.openstack.org/developer/ironic/dev/architecture.html#Drivers | 19:26 |
dhellmann | this may be something to discuss in person with less of a lag, but it feels like the wrong approach off the top of my head | 19:26 |
devananda | dhellmann: "not load plugins" may be too broad of a statement. the API does load plugins. but for a vendor to extend Ironic's hardware support, they don't need to write two plugins. just one. | 19:26 |
dhellmann | I'll have Ryan look at the bug | 19:26 |
devananda | dhellmann: sure. i'm happy to talk about the arch at ODS :) | 19:26 |
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devananda | dhellmann: thanks! I tried to reach him but not on IRC | 19:27 |
dhellmann | yeah, we're all heads-down trying to get some internal stuff done | 19:27 |
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devananda | yuriyz: do you think you can work around this for now? | 19:28 |
yuriyz | only if pass 'method' in body, not in url | 19:29 |
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devananda | hrm, k. let's talk about that after the meeting / on the ML | 19:29 |
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devananda | any other API questions/issues? | 19:29 |
devananda | if not, we're up to FFT and open discussion | 19:30 |
devananda | #topic open discussion | 19:30 |
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devananda | don't all talk at once :p | 19:32 |
dkehn | cue crickets | 19:32 |
devananda | dkehn: hi! | 19:32 |
dkehn | devananda, hi | 19:32 |
devananda | dkehn: how about the neutron integration in nova-baremetal? | 19:32 |
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dkehn | on hold today, it appears that they have opened up the neutron and I've got del to complete | 19:33 |
devananda | dkehn: did that affect the pxe sub-driver at all, or just the nova/virt/baremetal/driver.py ? | 19:33 |
dkehn | haven't really started on the refactoring stuff | 19:33 |
dkehn | did what | 19:34 |
dkehn | maybe I should ask | 19:34 |
devananda | ah, somehow i thought a bunch of that was proposed last week | 19:34 |
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dkehn | hmm, I only saw the lifeless stuff which was more of a question | 19:34 |
dkehn | the +5 thing | 19:34 |
devananda | k | 19:35 |
dkehn | also got new hardware which I'm trying to get it back there were I was when I left the old hardware | 19:35 |
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devananda | well, if the nova-baremetal->neutron integration affects pxe.py, that should be fairly easy to port to ironic/drivers/modules/pxe.py | 19:35 |
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dkehn | Its pretty much there, but spent the morning screwing around with a new neutron env on the new hardware, nothing ever goes as planned | 19:36 |
dhellmann | devananda: http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/details/154 | 19:36 |
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devananda | and if the neutron integration affects baremetal/driver.py, I'd like to know as i'll probably be writing the nova-ironic driver in the next month or so | 19:36 |
dkehn | devananda, ok | 19:36 |
devananda | lucasagomes: that session also interesting for you ^ | 19:36 |
lucasagomes | dhellmann, sweet! | 19:36 |
lucasagomes | yup | 19:37 |
devananda | dhellmann: thanks for pointing it out :) | 19:37 |
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dkehn | devananda, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/45589/ is probably where its going | 19:38 |
lucasagomes | idk much about the neutron integration, but might have to change something on pxe no? so it can inform which macaddress are allowed to get a dhcp request? | 19:38 |
devananda | lucasagomes: possibly | 19:39 |
devananda | it's sort of a question of, does ironic tell neutron stuff? or does nova tell neutron that stuff? | 19:39 |
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devananda | my inclination is it'll have to be inside the ironic pxe driver | 19:40 |
lucasagomes | I see, idk as ironic is going to build the tftp directory + create the configurations seems it's going to be ironic to inform neutron | 19:41 |
devananda | particularly so that we can handle fail-over of the ironic-conductor nodes | 19:41 |
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devananda | lucasagomes: on the other hand -- https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/nova/virt/baremetal/driver.py#L501 | 19:42 |
devananda | nova-baremetal is doing it, not the nova-baremetal-pxe sub driver | 19:42 |
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lucasagomes | devananda, yea... but looking at lifeless patch here https://review.openstack.org/#/c/45589/1/nova/virt/baremetal/pxe.py | 19:43 |
devananda | *is doing it today | 19:43 |
lucasagomes | seems it's being refactored | 19:43 |
devananda | yep | 19:43 |
devananda | but the API for that info is still going through nova/driver.py | 19:43 |
devananda | ** nova/virt/driver.py | 19:43 |
lucasagomes | yea, there's a call self.driver.dhcp_options... | 19:44 |
lucasagomes | hmm | 19:44 |
devananda | but I think we've wandered into the weeds now :) | 19:44 |
lucasagomes | hehe yea | 19:45 |
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lifeless | it's cleanup | 19:46 |
lucasagomes | devananda, any luck finding that link about the discovery ramdisk? | 19:46 |
lifeless | the API is fine | 19:46 |
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devananda | lucasagomes: nope :( | 19:46 |
lucasagomes | :) np | 19:46 |
devananda | lifeless: the question was wether we'll stick with dhcp boot information flowing (ironic->)nova->neutron or change to ironic->neutron | 19:47 |
devananda | lifeless: and i suspect it'll need a longer discussion to tease out the implementation/complications of that change, at least for me | 19:48 |
devananda | if no one has other topics, shall we wrap up a bit early? | 19:50 |
dkehn | +1 | 19:50 |
yuriyz | deploy ramdisk changes for Ironic? | 19:50 |
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devananda | yuriyz: that should end up being a fairly minor change, once all the API aspects around vendor_passthru are done | 19:52 |
lucasagomes | yuriyz, shoot :) | 19:52 |
devananda | but if you have questions about it, dont hesitate to ask | 19:52 |
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devananda | well, let's wrap up. thanks everyone! | 19:55 |
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devananda | #endmeeting | 19:55 |
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lucasagomes | thanks | 19:55 |
openstack | Meeting ended Mon Sep 30 19:55:47 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:55 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2013/ironic.2013-09-30-19.01.html | 19:55 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2013/ironic.2013-09-30-19.01.txt | 19:55 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2013/ironic.2013-09-30-19.01.log.html | 19:55 |
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lifeless | devananda: ah | 19:56 |
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lifeless | reminder to anyone looking for the tripleo meeting, it's in 23 hours from now, in rm 2. | 20:03 |
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mestery | Howdy folks | 20:59 |
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nextone92 | How are you doing (from a newbie here) | 20:59 |
mestery | nextone92: It's Monday afternoon for me, so not too bad. :) | 20:59 |
markmcclain | hi | 20:59 |
rkukura | hi | 21:00 |
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Swami | hi | 21:00 |
pcm_ | hi | 21:00 |
SumitNaiksatam | hi all! | 21:00 |
beagles | o/ | 21:00 |
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dkehn | hi | 21:01 |
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markmcclain | arosen, armax, emagana, amotoki, marun: around? | 21:02 |
emagana | hello all! | 21:02 |
emagana | here!! | 21:02 |
arosen | Hiya | 21:02 |
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marun | hi | 21:02 |
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markmcclain | #startmeeting Networking | 21:04 |
openstack | Meeting started Mon Sep 30 21:04:02 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is markmcclain. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:04 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:04 |
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openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking' | 21:04 |
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markmcclain | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Network/Meetings | 21:04 |
markmcclain | #topic Announcements | 21:04 |
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markmcclain | The RC will cut tonight/tomorrow | 21:04 |
markmcclain | I've been tagging non-essential bugs as havana-rc-potential | 21:04 |
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markmcclain | if they land before the release candidate is cut great | 21:05 |
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markmcclain | if not we'll consider any late merges into a potential RC2 | 21:05 |
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markmcclain | We've had a few bugs that have been causing problems in the gate for a few days now | 21:06 |
markmcclain | #topic Bugs | 21:07 |
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markmcclain | https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bugs?search=Search&field.importance=Critical&field.status=New&field.status=Confirmed&field.status=Triaged&field.status=In+Progress | 21:07 |
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markmcclain | The bugs have been causing gate resets which slows down code merging for the entire community | 21:07 |
marun | :( | 21:08 |
markmcclain | https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1230407 | 21:08 |
uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1230407 in neutron "VMs can't progress through state changes because Neutron is deadlocking on it's database queries, and thus leaving networks in inconsistent states" [Critical,Confirmed] | 21:08 |
markmcclain | the interim work around was to revert the inclusion of the VPN service into the gate | 21:08 |
marun | is that a duplicate of that previous gate bug? | 21:08 |
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markmcclain | marun: they're all slight variants of the same problem | 21:08 |
marun | I think jlibosva (probably not on) has narrowed the problem to a deadlock with the l3scheduler | 21:09 |
marun | he reports being able to consistently reproduce anyway | 21:09 |
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marun | to clarify, competition between l3scheduler and agent heartbeat update via rpc | 21:09 |
markmcclain | good to know.. reproducing these failures has been a bit of a challenge | 21:10 |
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nati_ueno | Hi sorry late | 21:11 |
markmcclain | Are there any other critical bugs that team needs to be tracking? | 21:12 |
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markmcclain | #topic API Docs | 21:13 |
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emagana | we are targeting ML2 first cut of the documentation this wednesday, the ML2 team has done a great job finding owners for the doc bugs.. all of them have been assigned | 21:13 |
markmcclain | emagana: you jumped the gun :) | 21:13 |
emagana | also a bug doc to include a note about deprecating the OVS and LB | 21:14 |
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emagana | markmcclain: sorry.. | 21:14 |
emagana | will wait! | 21:14 |
markmcclain | no worries | 21:14 |
markmcclain | Salvatore is off this evening, but emailed me to say that the API docs are on scheduled and should be completed by the Havana release | 21:14 |
markmcclain | https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-api-site/+bugs?field.tag=netconn-api | 21:14 |
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markmcclain | now we'll move to Admin and user docs | 21:15 |
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markmcclain | #topics Docs | 21:15 |
markmcclain | emagana: your turn | 21:15 |
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markmcclain | #topic Docs | 21:15 |
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emagana | well, I did already mention the ML2 | 21:15 |
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emagana | I think that is the most important update | 21:15 |
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markmcclain | that's good news | 21:16 |
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markmcclain | Anything questions on docs? | 21:16 |
markmcclain | #topic FWaaS | 21:17 |
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markmcclain | SumitNaiksatam: looks like we a few open reviews for Horizon support | 21:18 |
SumitNaiksatam | just one as of now | 21:18 |
SumitNaiksatam | one just got merged | 21:18 |
SumitNaiksatam | we are doing good :-) | 21:18 |
markmcclain | good | 21:18 |
SumitNaiksatam | this one should also get through | 21:18 |
markmcclain | this one? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/49019 | 21:18 |
SumitNaiksatam | yeah | 21:19 |
SumitNaiksatam | its failing on tempest gate | 21:19 |
SumitNaiksatam | otherwise fix is good | 21:19 |
amotoki | SumitNaiksatam: the fix is good. now looking :-) | 21:19 |
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SumitNaiksatam | yeah thanks to KC for the fix | 21:20 |
markmcclain | looks like it is being caught up in the mix of the critical bugs we talked about earlier | 21:20 |
SumitNaiksatam | yeah | 21:20 |
SumitNaiksatam | otherwise all other fwaas neutron bugs fixed, so good for now, touch wood | 21:20 |
markmcclain | good thanks for updating | 21:21 |
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markmcclain | #topic Horizon | 21:21 |
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amotoki | hi, morning. | 21:21 |
markmcclain | amotoki: Any additional Horizon related information to share? | 21:21 |
amotoki | thanks for taking care of quota issue. | 21:22 |
amotoki | https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1189671 is the only remaining one. | 21:22 |
markmcclain | you're welcome | 21:22 |
uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1189671 in neutron "default quota driver not suitable for production" [High,In progress] | 21:22 |
amotoki | what is its status? | 21:23 |
markmcclain | that one has some strange unit test assumptions | 21:23 |
markmcclain | so when run out of order installed quota driver isn't always initialized | 21:24 |
markmcclain | in production the order is correct based on normal operation | 21:24 |
markmcclain | I'll post a new revision for you to look at today.. I'll ping you when it's ready | 21:26 |
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amotoki | markmcclain: thanks. I will take care of the status. | 21:26 |
amotoki | all from me. | 21:26 |
markmcclain | amotoki: thanks for updating | 21:27 |
markmcclain | #topic Hong Kong Design Summit | 21:27 |
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markmcclain | #link http://summit.openstack.org | 21:27 |
markmcclain | You can file summit sessions ideas at that site. | 21:28 |
markmcclain | Remember it is not the first to file, so if your idea overlaps with another feel free to file yours too. | 21:28 |
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geoffarnold | What's the deadline? | 21:29 |
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markmcclain | I believe the deadline is October 18th | 21:29 |
markmcclain | I encourage folks to file early | 21:29 |
markmcclain | it enables time to provide feedback and helps with planning | 21:30 |
mestery | markmcclain: At one point you said these need blueprints attached, still the case? | 21:30 |
geoffarnold | And do we know how many Neutron-related slots will be available? (From which we can infer pressure to merge....) | 21:30 |
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markmcclain | geoffarnold: We have Tues, Wednesday, and Friday | 21:31 |
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markmcclain | there will be some pressure to merge as our time in our track has been oversubscribed for the last 3 summits | 21:32 |
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markmcclain | That's where filing early helps us better plan and schedule to reduce conflicts for folks who are speaking or needed for cross project sessions | 21:33 |
markmcclain | When proposing topics remember to consider community features too. | 21:33 |
markmcclain | Community features are beneficial to everyone in the Neutron community. | 21:34 |
markmcclain | Any questions on the summit? | 21:35 |
SumitNaiksatam | markmcclain: except vendor plugin features, aren't what we are all doing beneficial to the entire community? | 21:35 |
mestery | Do we need blueprints for design summit proposals? | 21:35 |
marun | mestery: only if you're implementing something! | 21:36 |
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mestery | marun: I thought markmcclain said at an earlier meeting design summit sessions with blueprints would have higher precedence. | 21:36 |
geoffarnold | Implementing includes refactoring and deprecating, of course ;-) | 21:36 |
markmcclain | SumitNaiksatam: Yes, but there is a tendency to shiny new features instead of the task such is refactoring code or improving scalability | 21:37 |
marun | of course | 21:37 |
marun | *cough* testing *cough* | 21:37 |
* mestery thinks marun is trying to tell us something. :) | 21:37 | |
markmcclain | mestery: yes.. including a blueprint with your summit proposal will increase your chances of being selected | 21:37 |
marun | mestery: it's like you're psychic or something! | 21:37 |
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mestery | markmcclain: thanks for clarifying. | 21:37 |
SumitNaiksatam | markmcclain: don't want to get into philosophical debate, but I request we stop using the "shiny" new feature terminology | 21:38 |
marun | why? | 21:38 |
SumitNaiksatam | in my mind there are two types of feature, neutron common, and vendor specific | 21:38 |
markmcclain | marun is being a little subtle on testing bit, but testing is something that would definitely want to discuss | 21:38 |
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markmcclain | the current tempest random failures are a good indicator that we have some work to do in this area | 21:39 |
marun | SumitNaiksatam: if our existing codebase is extremely problematic from a quality perspective - and our gate issues suggest that is the case - most new features are shiny by definition | 21:39 |
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SumitNaiksatam | marun: to me that is a matter of prioritization | 21:40 |
marun | Hopefully the 'neutron sucks' (provisional name of course) session will bring about consensus on how to change this | 21:40 |
marun | But one of the main things is that no new feature should be acceptable without corresponding tempest tests | 21:40 |
markmcclain | SumitNaiksatam: shiny features are good things too I'll find a different way of classifying items | 21:40 |
emagana | marun: +1 | 21:40 |
marun | Writing them after the fact has proven disastrous. | 21:40 |
SumitNaiksatam | marun: agree | 21:40 |
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mestery | marun: +1 | 21:41 |
marun | SumitNaiksatam: Agree on prioritization, completely. | 21:41 |
mestery | And lets not forget migration from and deprecation of nova-networking | 21:41 |
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marun | SumitNaiksatam: The hope is to make sure all the important quality issues can be weighed against features this cycle rather than being relegated to the end of the list by inattention. | 21:41 |
mestery | That's been on the docket for a while as well, and is something we as a team need to start looking at solving I think. | 21:41 |
SumitNaiksatam | marun: agree | 21:42 |
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geoffarnold | I know we've used Tempest for a while, but it still makes me think of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tempest_(codename) | 21:42 |
markmcclain | mestery: I agree | 21:42 |
marun | mestery: +1 | 21:43 |
beagles | I've been working on a first crack of a definition of "parity", it isn't quite done yet (should be next COB) | 21:43 |
emagana | please, include Performance Improvement as a main topic. I am pretty sure some developers are working on that | 21:43 |
markmcclain | beagles: great! | 21:43 |
mestery | beagles: Perfect! | 21:43 |
beagles | https://docs.google.com/document/d/1E9CiG8fmcn0FMI15zpE0dRQ1CcFhXV8TxL7mU7vgWv8/edit?usp=sharing | 21:43 |
marun | emagana: I'm not sure we should be approaching that yet | 21:43 |
geoffarnold | emagana: +1 | 21:43 |
marun | I think quality and testing are a prerequisite for optimization. | 21:43 |
mestery | beagles: This is pretty awesome, thanks for writing this up. | 21:43 |
marun | If we do one before the other we're going to have issues. | 21:43 |
beagles | there is still lots to add in there, but some of that is in "put all my bloody notes together" | 21:44 |
markmcclain | Remember the summit is community driven, so please do file sessions on these topics | 21:44 |
beagles | there is some very strong language about the necessity of testing there :) | 21:44 |
emagana | marun: we add a lot of new features in this release, I suggest we should focus on performance and scalability for I release | 21:44 |
mestery | beagles: I'm sure marun approves of that. :) | 21:44 |
marun | +1 | 21:45 |
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beagles | heh | 21:45 |
marun | emagana: if there were tempest tests for those features, I'd agree. | 21:45 |
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marun | emagana: But in the absense of being able to ensure that optimizations don't cause regressions, I'll fight tooth and nail against optimization initiatives. | 21:45 |
emagana | marun: Yes, of course. My point is to give priority to performance improvement instead of more new features. I remember reading an email when L3 agent took 5 minutes in restart with just 10 tenants and 10 networks each | 21:46 |
marun | emagana: Ah, ok. Yes, we need acceptable quality (whatever that might be) in existing features before new ones get priority. | 21:47 |
marun | +1 | 21:47 |
markmcclain | So remember to file early: http://summit.openstack.org | 21:47 |
markmcclain | #topic Open Discussion | 21:48 |
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markmcclain | Any other items the team needs to discuss? | 21:48 |
mestery | The patch to default devstack to ML2 instead of OVS has been stalling in the gate all day: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/47837/ | 21:48 |
mestery | But once that goes in, ML2 will be exercised much more as part of the gate. | 21:48 |
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markmcclain | cool | 21:49 |
amotoki | cool, but one question. | 21:49 |
amotoki | Doesn't it make the situation more complicated if we change the defautl plugin at this moment? | 21:49 |
jog0 | markmcclain: whats your plan for stabilizing gate? | 21:50 |
mestery | amotoki: It's a risk, but this will help catch issues with ML2 earlier rather than later. | 21:50 |
mestery | And tempest passes the full suite with it already. | 21:50 |
mestery | rkukura and I have verified this locally in our setups. | 21:50 |
markmcclain | jog0: Salvatore did some digging on two of the issues | 21:50 |
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jog0 | markmcclain: because cutting an RC and opening up development with these bugs outstanding concerns me | 21:51 |
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markmcclain | so I'm picking up from the notes he left and I'll ping marun about the agent scheduling deadlock | 21:51 |
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amotoki | mestery: I don't have an objection on moving the default. just hearing opinions. | 21:51 |
rkukura | I have one topic to discuss | 21:52 |
mestery | amotoki: Understood. | 21:52 |
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sdague | markmcclain: as far as i can see droping q-vpn from devstack-gate made the deadlock go away just be decreasing neutron db traffic | 21:52 |
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markmcclain | jog0: I don't think these are recent regressions, but instead we've managed to tweak unrelated items in such a way to amplify them | 21:52 |
sdague | which means the issue is still there, we just aren't tickling it | 21:52 |
markmcclain | sdague: agreed that's why I'm still working on that problem | 21:53 |
sdague | that looked like the minor race though, there are a lot more hard to track down races on networks not starting, and no indication why | 21:53 |
markmcclain | the reversion was temporary workaround | 21:53 |
jog0 | sdague: that sounds like a workaround not a fix | 21:53 |
markmcclain | the failures still occur too frequently | 21:53 |
sdague | jog0: absolutely | 21:53 |
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markmcclain | sdague: devstack is a still testing environment, so the problem itself needs to be addressed because prod is going to be significantly more complex | 21:54 |
markmcclain | s/still/simple/ | 21:54 |
sdague | markmcclain: yep, definitely | 21:54 |
jog0 | markmcclain: so will RC and trunk open even if these aren't fixed? | 21:55 |
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markmcclain | my personal preference is to cut an RC with this as a known issue | 21:55 |
jog0 | markmcclain: can we cut a release with this as a bug? | 21:56 |
markmcclain | mainly for the psychological reason that folks are more likely to test the RC | 21:56 |
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jog0 | markmcclain: true, but I am afraid of devs moving forward while critical bugs still exist | 21:56 |
markmcclain | jog0: I'd have reservations cutting a release until we understand bug better | 21:56 |
jog0 | markmcclain: fair enough, thanks | 21:57 |
sdague | markmcclain: so I'm actually more concerned with the other neutron races which seem far easier to tickle | 21:57 |
sdague | and far harder to figure out the issue | 21:57 |
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sdague | https://bugs.launchpad.net/swift/+bug/1224001 | 21:57 |
uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1224001 in neutron "test_network_basic_ops fails waiting for network to become available" [Critical,New] | 21:57 |
jog0 | sdague: yeah that one is a strange | 21:57 |
sdague | that's basically why the gate is slow | 21:58 |
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markmcclain | sdague: I think that one might be related to same agent problems | 21:58 |
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sdague | possibly | 21:58 |
sdague | http://logstash.openstack.org/#eyJzZWFyY2giOiJcInRlbXBlc3Quc2NlbmFyaW8udGVzdF9uZXR3b3JrX2Jhc2ljX29wcyBBc3NlcnRpb25FcnJvcjogVGltZWQgb3V0IHdhaXRpbmcgZm9yXCIiLCJmaWVsZHMiOltdLCJvZmZzZXQiOjAsInRpbWVmcmFtZSI6Ijg2NDAwIiwiZ3JhcGhtb2RlIjoiY291bnQiLCJ0aW1lIjp7InVzZXJfaW50ZXJ2YWwiOjB9LCJzdGFtcCI6MTM4MDQ1NzY5NzMxOX0= | 21:58 |
sdague | just to get an idea of *how* often that one's popping up | 21:58 |
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jog0 | sdague: and flaky gate meens bad user experience for havana :( | 21:59 |
markmcclain | jog0: agreed…. users expect stability | 21:59 |
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markmcclain | Ok time is up for today… thanks for stopping by.. if you've more data on the critical bugs please add comments to https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1230407 or https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1224001 | 22:01 |
uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1230407 in neutron "VMs can't progress through state changes because Neutron is deadlocking on it's database queries, and thus leaving networks in inconsistent states" [Critical,Confirmed] | 22:01 |
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markmcclain | Have a good rest of the week | 22:01 |
markmcclain | #endmeeting | 22:01 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Mon Sep 30 22:01:56 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:01 |
emagana | ciao ciao | 22:01 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2013/networking.2013-09-30-21.04.html | 22:02 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2013/networking.2013-09-30-21.04.txt | 22:02 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2013/networking.2013-09-30-21.04.log.html | 22:02 |
mestery | bye everyone! | 22:02 |
jog0 | thanks markmcclain | 22:02 |
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beagles | ciao | 22:02 |
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nati_ueno | bye! | 22:02 |
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amotoki | thanks | 22:02 |
rkukura | bye | 22:02 |
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