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s3wongIs there a weekly LBaaS meeting now?14:12
amotokis3wong: i think LBaaS meeting is not held these days. I think it is better to remove it from the meeting list.14:14
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s3wongamotoki: OK. Thanks!14:15
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amotokis3wong: lbaas topic is usually discussed in neutron meeting14:15
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s3wongamotoki: Great. Thanks!14:17
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jd__#startmeeting ceilometer15:00
openstackMeeting started Thu Oct  3 15:00:51 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is jd__. Information about MeetBot at
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'ceilometer'15:00
jd__hi guys15:01
jd__#topic Havana release15:02
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jd__a few words about Havana, so RC1 has been released yesterday15:02
* dragondm applauds15:02
dhellmannnice work, everyone!15:02
sandywalshcongrats y'all15:02
jd__the milestone-proposed branch has been cut to at some point include fixes if needed, if we need to respin a rc2 release15:03
jd__it's time to test heavily!15:03
jd__congratulations to you all too! :)15:03
eglynnjd__: re. needing an rc2 release ...15:03
eglynnon we discussed considering the leaking of admin-ness to non-admin users as a separate bug15:04
jd__you can merge patches in master once again and that'll be in Icehouse15:04
eglynnsounds like an RC2 candidate?15:04
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jd__eglynn: maybe15:04
eglynnjd__: k, I'll file a bug and work on a fix15:05
jd__I think I'd like to see the fix before deciding15:05
eglynnjd__: (we can decide later if target'd at Icehouse or RC2)15:05
jd__(I know that sounds weird)15:05
eglynnjd__: no, that's fair enough15:05
jd__cool :)15:06
jd__and for people not following at home, I think I'll still be the benevolent democractic dictator for the Icehouse release15:06
* dragondm hands jd__ a handfull of medals and a funny hat.15:07
eglynnwith 100% of the vote, Stalin would have been proud of that ;)15:07
thomasmWhy'd you take my hat?15:07
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jd__eglynn: 100 % of 0 vote :-)15:07
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gordcjd__: you just broke maths.15:08
jd__#topic Release python-ceilometerclient?15:08
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eglynnI'd like to include if poss15:08
jd__works for me15:09
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jd__anybody ping me or eglynn to release15:09
jd__eglynn: so ping me or yourself to this to happen15:09
lsmolaeglynn, cool15:09
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jd__#topic Talking about Hardware Agent15:10
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jd__lsmola: floor is yours15:10
lsmolaI have prepared several questions15:10
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lsmolai will just throw them in so we can start discuss that15:11
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lsmola1. Should it act as a central Agent? Or should it be deployed on every hardware. It seems that the original author planned both:15:11
lsmolaSo the settings determining what is visible for the agent would reside in the agent somehow?15:11
lsmola2. Regarding security, is it better to have an Agent on each baremetal? Or rather have there only some daemon like snmpd and allowing communication from and to central agent.15:11
lsmola3. There is very little documentation about how to set this up. I couldn't find, from where the agent takes the list of resources it should poll. E.g. list of routers or list of baremetals it can see. Does anybody know?15:11
lsmola4. About the IMPI inspector. It is probable that he IPMI credentials will reside in Ironic (at least for Undercloud), so the inspector should be able to talk both to Ironic API, or to IPMI directly, right? So it works also when Ceilometer knows the IPMI credentials.15:11
thomasmow my eyes15:11
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jd__and you got only 49 minutes left to answer this15:11
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lsmolathere was a warning :-) you have to catch15:12
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dhellmannwhat are the security implications of running an agent on the server with an image owned by the tenant?15:12
dhellmannand how would we get the agent into the image in the first place?15:12
lsmoladhellmann, our primary use case is to use it in udercloud via tripleo15:13
dhellmannah, ok, that makes more sense :-)15:13
lsmoladhellmann, so it would be image element of tripleo15:13
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eglynnlsmola: "should it act as a central agent" == "should it not run on-host" ?15:13
* eglynn confused on the "central agent" reference in #115:13
lsmolaeglynn, if i get it correctly, central agent is running on Control node, right?15:14
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lsmolaeglynn, so there is only one agent, polling everything15:14
eglynnlsmola: well in theory it could be running anywhere, but yes you could call it a control node, and yes it polls everything15:14
sandywalshthere would have to be something on the host answering the poll though.15:14
lsmolajd__, btw. how is it with scaling of central agent? i thing that was the biggest concern of tripleo guys15:14
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eglynnlsmola: so you mean, load the hardware monitoring piece as an extension into the existing central agent?15:15
dhellmannwould a central agent use IPMI and SNMP?15:15
lsmolasandywalsh, for nsmp, it will be snmpd15:15
jaypipeshi guys, sorry I'm late... wanted to let you know I should have the Alembic removal patch updated and done today.15:15
sandywalshlsmola: gotcha15:15
lsmolasandywalsh, there is also image element for this in tripleo15:15
jd__lsmola: I should be working on it soon15:15
lsmolasandywalsh, though you have to allow communication in firewall15:16
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lsmolaok so, anybody has an idea how the architecture should work?15:17
sandywalshyes, there is also the rackspace agent, which is open sourced. Perhaps could be manipulated for guest-side reporting. It's available for windows and linux.15:17
dhellmannI'm not sure how we could handle baremetal securely using either mode for any use case other than tripleo. Are we trying for tenant images at all?15:17
sandywalshI think it's very xen-specific currently though15:17
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dragondmsandywalsh: yah, the rs agent uses xen store for communication.15:17
sandywalshyeah :/15:18
jd__if the user rans on baremetal, either the monitoring can be done by IPMI or the like, otherwise the user could have an agent posting via the API untrusted metrics that wouldn't not used for billing but could be used for stuff like autoscaling15:19
eglynnis IPMI alone sufficient though?15:20
eglynn(from what we discussed previously, seemed that was limited to temperature, fan speed, voltage etc.)15:21
lsmolaeglynn, i am not sure, from metrics i saw, it didn't have everything15:21
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lsmolaeglynn, there is a full list in the IPMI blueprint15:21
lsmolajd__, the other thing is, that we might want to read syslog or other things from baremetal15:22
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eglynnlsmola: you mean the monitoring-physical-devices BP?15:22
jd__eglynn: it may not indeed15:22
lsmolajd__, so it would be much easier with agent on the baremetal15:22
jd__lsmola: well everything that comes from baremetal cannot be trusted15:22
jd__you can run an agent on baremetal and uses the API to post samples15:23
sandywalshbut not everyone wants an agent on their machines15:23
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jd__it should just be tagged as something coming from the user, not the operator15:23
jd__sandywalsh: clearly, it'll be optional15:23
eglynnlsmola: thanks15:23
lsmolaeglynn, it should be IMPI inspector for hardware agent15:23
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lsmolasandywalsh, so it seems to me, it should be matter of configuration15:24
sandywalshyep, if you want the buttery goodness, you have to install it15:24
lsmolasandywalsh, for tripleo, there could be several images prepared, so..15:25
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sandywalshlsmola: right, our rackspace images have the agent preinstalled.15:25
lsmolasandywalsh, yep15:25
lsmolasandywalsh, and it could be preconfigured too, (or some configuraton scripts prepared)15:26
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sandywalshsome mount a "configuration drive"15:26
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eglynnso it seems like two alternative modes are possible (on- and off-host) ... are we saying that *both* approaches have their place?15:27
lsmolaby the way, regarding the 1, I have no idea how it works now, i haven't found anywhere the list of hosts that is polls, anybody have an idea?15:27
eglynn(i.e. depends on the cloud deployer's policies)15:27
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lsmolaeglynn, yes15:27
sandywalshyep, from the cm perspective I don't think things should really change. It's just a source of events.15:27
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sandywalshbe it from these agents/pollsters or something like Diamond or a periodic_task15:28
sandywalshwhether it's a part of core CM is perhaps a bigger question15:28
jd__eglynn: I think so indeed15:28
eglynnand in the off-host/central-agent case, is the potential for data acquisition more constrained?15:28
sandywalshshould we just focus on providing a solid api for these things15:29
eglynn(so the two approaches aren't fully inter-change-able)15:29
sandywalsh(api = http/udp/rpc-cast/whatever)15:29
jd__eglynn: no they wouldn't be15:29
jd__sandywalsh: we do have an HTTP API for posting sample taht should be enough15:30
jd__I don't think the problem is in Ceilometer, it's rather on how to build things around what it offers right now :)15:30
sandywalshjd__: yep, depends on the volume/frequency, but a good start for sure15:30
lsmolajd__, yes exactly15:30
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jd__sandywalsh: yeah, I also think there's a good chance your baremetal might not have access to RabbitMQ for example for security reasons15:31
jd__sandywalsh: like different networks15:31
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sandywalshsure, there's going to be a pile of deployment considerations ... too many to deal with. We should just focus on the api. and perhaps some example pollsters/agents15:31
lsmolajd__, well for snmp, you need to allow udp communication with snmpd15:31
sandywalsh(imho :)15:31
lsmolajd__, if it's remote15:31
jd__lsmola: yeah but that's just for polling, not a problem  :)15:32
lsmolajd__, ok15:32
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jd__does that answer enough of your questions lsmola ?15:32
lsmolajd__, well15:32
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lsmolajd__, I have almost the same amount of confusion :-D15:33
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jd__you're welcome.15:33
lsmolajd__, ok, so the main thing is, can we leave the hardware agent as it is?15:33
lsmolajd__, as a separate from central15:33
lsmolajd__, as it can be used as central of per host agent15:33
jd__lsmola: good question, I think we are going to work on the central agent and improve it15:34
jd__having to do that twice for no reason does not sound like a good option to me15:34
lsmolajd__, this is a sttarting point for me, to get the hardware agent in15:34
jd__considering the code for the hardware agent is quite the same AFAIK15:34
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jd__question is: is there anything you can't do with the central agent right now?15:34
lsmolajd__, well i guess you can put central agent to each host too, if you want right?15:35
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lsmolajd__, is there some horizontal scaling of the central agent?15:35
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jd__lsmola: not yet, but this is going to be implemented15:35
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lsmolajd__, tripleo is afraid of large deployments15:35
lsmolajd__, ok, fair enough15:35
sandywalsh(we all are :)15:36
jd__lsmola: if there is a hardwar agent I think it should be the agent polling things from inside the host and posting stuff to the REST API for example15:36
jd__so it's not polling really hardware, but instances-on-hardware15:36
lsmolajd__, yes, or directly to message buss15:36
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jd__lsmola: if you an access it, for sure15:37
lsmolajd__, yes15:37
jd__so that means basically that you can reuse the central agent15:37
jd__only enable the pollsters that polls locally thinsg like CPU time etc15:37
lsmolajd__, ok cool15:37
jd__and write a new publisher to publisher over HTTP15:37
lsmolajd__, then there is no reason to have separate hardware agent I guess15:38
jd__something like that (maybe I miss some detail, I'm thinking out loud)15:38
lsmolajd__, at least i don't see any15:38
jd__lsmola: maybe there is and we don't see it yet, but for now I don't think so15:38
jd__let's keep things simple if we can!15:38
eglynnif there's an agent posting samples to the REST API from on-host, then we have propogate keystone credentials onto every host also, right?15:38
lsmolajd__, agree15:38
jd__eglynn: right15:38
jd__eglynn: maybe we could use a new role or something to have a better split on permissions about posting sample from trusted sources15:39
lsmolajd__, i guess it will be safer to run only daemons on hosts, that can be polled15:39
jd__that's another (part of the) issue15:39
jd__lsmola: I can't see how safer it would be :)15:39
sandywalshyeah, we should support anonymous posts15:39
sandywalshfor monitoring  ... not billing15:39
eglynnjd__: hmmm, yeah a very limited RBAC policy, plus possibly rate limiting to avoid DDoSing15:40
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sandywalsheverything should be rate limited15:40
sandywalshor just use udp15:40
jd__eglynn: I'm pretty sure we can re-use or add a middleware on Oslo for that15:40
jd__eglynn: the DoSing thing15:40
eglynncool enough15:40
jd__but good idea15:40
jd__(yet another part of te problem :-)15:40
jd__lsmola: if you got further point don't hesitate to send a mail to the list I guess15:41
lsmolajd__, ok, so my main testing scheme is run the central agent and SNMPd on each host15:41
lsmolajd__, i think I can go with this15:42
lsmolajd__, i will try to talk with llu about merging of the hardware agent into central agent15:42
jd__lsmola: sounds like a good idea15:42
lsmolajd__, he seems to be on vacation15:42
jd__it's too bad llu is not here15:42
jd__ok :)15:42
lsmolajd__, so when i catch him15:43
lsmolajd__, could you also post the decision to the blueprint?15:43
jd__hm I can try but if I forgot feel free to do it intead15:43
lsmolajd__, ok fair enough :-)15:44
jd__#topic Open discussion15:44
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lsmolajd__, i think that's all regarding hardware agent, I have my starting point15:44
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vvechkanovHello all. I want to ask about notification via emails. Is it planned to add it?15:45
jd__if anyone has anything else go ahead15:45
jd__vvechkanov: for alarms?15:45
jd__vvechkanov: it's planned somehow, but nobody took the task over AFAIK15:45
eglynnIIRC we were thinking Marconi would provide SNS-like functionality15:46
eglynn(for email/SMS/etc notifications)15:46
eglynnnot sure if that's still on the Marconi roadmap tho'15:46
jd__you can write a Marconi target too eventually15:46
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eglynnperhaps we could do with a ceilo/marconi session at summit?15:46
vvechkanovAs I know Marconi don't plan to provide notfication...15:47
vvechkanovI am wrong?15:47
eglynndunno, I'd need to check with the Marconi folks15:47
eglynn(I've had that on my mind also, so I'll chase it up)15:47
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gordci had a question about queue... is that strictly for ceilometer? apparently some ppl have been listening to that queue (for whatever reason) and when we enable ceilometer, they start racing and grabbing random msgs. wondering what's the correct way to impl this?15:48
jd__eglynn: yeah good idea15:48
jd__gordc: no, we consume from it by default but you can configure another queue to be used15:48
jd__gordc: just add more topic in nova.conf for example, change the topic in ceilometer.conf15:48
sandywalshgordc: we have our services configured to publish to two exchanges, one for stacktach/ceilometer and another for our billing dept.15:49
jd__notifications_topics=notification,ceilometer in nova.conf and notificatiosn_topics=ceilometer in ceilometer.conf15:49
jd__something like that15:49
gordcjd__, sandywalsh: cool cool. that's what i thought. wanted to confirm thats how everyone else is doing it before i make stuff up. :)15:50
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jd__sandywalsh: by the way I think that your notification patch introduces a new issue15:50
sandywalshconflicting rabbit configs?15:51
jd__because in such a context, now Ceilometer publishes and consumes only on "notification_topics"15:51
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jd__so with something I've described, it's problematic15:51
jd__we should have notification_topics and notification_topics_to_consume15:51
sandywalshright, because we can't inject into the rpc_notifier ... so we'll need the _to_consume part15:52
sandywalshk, I'll look into that15:52
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dragondmbtw, I gather all of the -2's for FF will be lifted soon?15:53
jd__dragondm: already done (unless I forgot some)15:53
dragondmYah, there are still some.15:54
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jd__dragondm: feel free to send them to me so I can lift :)15:54
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dragondmThe auto-expire hit a few. I've revived mine:
jd__ah indeed15:55
jd__I didn't looked into expired ones15:55
jd__anything else guys? otherwise closing in a minute15:55
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lsmolathank you guys, see you15:56
jd__well happy hacking and testing! :)15:56
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sdague#startmeeting qa17:00
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sdagueok, who's around for the qa meeting?17:00
sdague#link Agenda -
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sdagueok, lets get started on blueprint cleanup17:01
sdague#topic Blueprints (sdague)17:01
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sdagueso, I started going through and closing out blueprints that I think are done this morning17:02
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ravikumar_hpsdague: I have closed some17:02
sdaguehowever, we have a ton in Unknown state17:02
ravikumar_hpsdague: anything pending more than 6 months and with out any action should be closed17:02
sdagueso it would be really good if people could update those17:02
dkranzsdague: I think a lot of them are Started based on patches/reviews17:03
sdaguemlavalle: is this still "Not Started" -
mlavallesdague: Not started17:03
sdagueok, that I think we still want, what's your target in icehouse for it?17:04
mlavallesdague: icehouse 217:04
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giulivosdague, I'm not in the launchpad group to be able to work on the blueprints17:05
sdaguegiulivo: ok, I can fix that17:05
mlavallesdague: I want to tackle first the neutron job thing17:05
sdaguewill do after17:05
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sdaguemlavalle: that's fine, I marked it medium / icehouse-217:05
sdague#action sdague to put giulivo into tempest-drivers17:05
sdagueok, other updates on blueprints there?17:06
sdaguedo we know about stevebaker's bp?17:06
giulivoI think there are some duplicates about the neutron APIs17:06
giulivoI reviewed quite a few changes actually implementing those which weren't using the appropriate topic17:06
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giulivoso the blueprints would need some love around that, I'd be happy to do that17:07
sdaguegiulivo: ok, great, if you could collapse some of those, that would be great17:07
sdaguein future I'd like to not use so many small blueprints, as I think they carry a lot more weight to manage17:07
dkranzsdague: +117:07
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sdaguehonestly, I'll probably see how ttx's storyboard project is progressing at icehouse, and see if it would be good to make tempest an early user of it17:08
sdagueas a replacement for blueprints17:08
sdagueat icehouse summit that is17:08
sdaguethe inability for us to target blueprints to multiple projects (like tempest + core project) is really annoying17:08
mtreinishsdague: normally you can get around that with dependecies though17:09
sdagueok, I'll send out an email today to the list giving people a week to update items in Unknown state, and then plan to script purge them17:09
sdaguemtreinish: you can... but it gets a little clunky17:09
mtreinishyes it is17:09
sdaguealright, any other blueprint discussions?17:10
sdague#topic Neutron job status (sdague)17:10
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dkranzsdague: I was going to do some work on the log errors blueprint Friday but don't want to conflict with any one.17:10
sdaguedkranz: honestly, I won't be able to touch if for a bit, so go ahead17:10
dkranzsdague: OK, you had some ideas already so perhaps you can tell me out-of-meeting, or I coujld just proceed.17:11
sdagueok, on the neutron jobs, mlavalle you have an update on where we are with the full job?17:11
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sdaguedkranz: lets chat in irc after the meeting17:11
dkranzsdague: k17:11
mlavallesdague: I've been running it. We still have 14 modules with failures17:11
mlavallesdague: a couple of them are related to quotas17:12
mtreinishmlavalle: is that more or less than before?17:12
sdaguemlavalle: ok, is it in a state where we should turn it back on non voting so it's easier to work the issues?17:12
mlavalleYes, that will make it easier for me17:12
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sdaguemlavalle: ok, lets do that. You want to submit the review? or we need someone else to?17:13
mlavalleI'll do it17:13
mlavalleif I need help, i'll yell17:13
sdague#action mlavalle to submit review to turn neutron-full back on non-voting17:13
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dimssdague, the bogus fd patch is holding up17:14
sdaguewe're now running 4 devstack/tempest runs on neutron jobs to help prevent races from sliding through17:14
sdaguedims: we're not running any tenant isolation jobs atm (because I screwed up the config)17:14
afazekasI guess this bug needs to be fixed in order to pass the quota tests:
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1189671 in neutron "default quota driver not suitable for production" [High,In progress]17:14
sdagueso that might come back when we get that changed again17:14
sdaguesalv-orlando had patches17:14
dimssdague, will keep an eye out17:14
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mlavalleafazekas: correct17:15
sdagueok, any other neutron things?17:15
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afazekasthe other issue is the inerfaces extension, can we skip it until it is not fixed ?17:15
sdagueif we get down to just a skip or two that we need, we can definitely propose that17:16
sdagueok, next up...17:16
afazekasI possible workaround for the quota issue is to configure it by devstack17:16
sdague#topic Elastic Recheck Top issues (mtreinish)17:16
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mtreinishsdague: so this was what the big offenders are now?17:17
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sdaguemtreinish: yep17:17
mtreinishwell right now bug 1226337 is still the biggest one I think17:17
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1226337 in cinder "tempest.scenario.test_volume_boot_pattern.TestVolumeBootPattern 'qemu-nbd: Failed to bdrv_open'" [Critical,Fix committed]
mtreinishfollowed by a few neutron ones17:18
sdaguemtreinish: so do we need to reopen the cinder bug?17:18
mtreinishthe biggest of which was avoided by stopping tenant isolation17:18
sdagueit's in fix released17:18
sdaguejog0: yeh, I was about to share that :)17:18
mtreinishsdague: not sure I haven't really been watching things closely enough the past day or so17:18
jog0sorry for beating you to the punch17:18
mtreinishI just have the aggregate numbers17:18
sdaguethough it occurs to me that we actually should scale the metrics based on the % chance that it fails it jobs17:18
sdaguebecause the neutron bugs don't look as bad now that they only trip up in neutron jobs17:19
mtreinishit looks like it's fixed based on the graphs17:19
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mtreinishyeah the neutron ones have a bunch of attention right now17:19
jog0sdague: yeah this isn't perfect for showing how severe but does show when something is fixed17:19
sdaguemtreinish: yeh 1226337 actually does look probably fixed17:20
sdaguethough... the gate's been really quiet today17:20
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sdaguewith the RCs going out17:20
jog015 jobs up on zuul ATM which is quiet17:21
sdagueyeh, the nova db patch had the gate all to itself this morning17:21
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sdagueok, anything else on ER?17:21
mtreinishno I don't think so17:21
sdaguewhich has already shown great value, can't wait to see how it evolves17:22
jog0I have one thing17:22
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1233923 in neutron "FAIL: tempest.thirdparty.boto.test_ec2_instance_run.InstanceRunTest.test_run_stop_terminate_instance -- nova VM fails to go to running state when using neutron" [Undecided,Confirmed]17:22
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jog0we don't have a query for that bug because don't know why what to look for in the logs to find it17:23
jog0its one of a few reasons why test_run_stop_termiante_instance can fail17:23
sdagueright, this is because we don't know why the network setup is wrong?17:23
jog0well I think its a two part issue both nova and neutron17:24
jog0but its very unclear to me whats going on so extra eyes would be useful17:24
afazekas it might fix/workaround a lot of neutron issue, I wonder why not monky patch the mysql module17:24
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dkranzjog0: It is Unassigned17:25
sdague#action extra eyes asked for on
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1233923 in neutron "FAIL: tempest.thirdparty.boto.test_ec2_instance_run.InstanceRunTest.test_run_stop_terminate_instance -- nova VM fails to go to running state when using neutron" [Undecided,Confirmed]17:25
jog0although it hasn't been seen almost 24 hours, but that may be a quiet gate issue17:25
sdagueeven if people don't manage to figure out the whole thing, we did a pretty good job on the tenant isolation issue by lots of people adding little bits to the bug17:25
mlavallejog0: I'll take a look and ping you if i can help17:26
sdaguethanks mlavalle !17:26
sdagueok, next topic17:26
sdague#topic Stable branch timing (sdague)17:26
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sdagueso this came up in IRC today, and I figured we could use a plan17:27
mtreinishsdague: haven't we just done it around release day in the past17:27
sdaguelast time we basically waited until the week before release and set the stable branch on tempest / devstack / devstack-gate that day17:27
sdaguemtreinish: well in grizzly we actually did it once we broken stable/grizzly bitrot :)17:28
sdaguebut I think 1 week prior17:28
sdagueis a good plan17:28
dkranzsdague: I think that makes sense to delay as long as we can17:28
sdaguedkranz: ok, sure17:28
dkranznew tests are pouring in17:28
sdaguedkranz: that's actually my concern17:28
mtreinishwell this brings up the backport policy17:28
sdaguemaster is now open for 1/2 the projects for icehouse17:28
dkranzsdague: I would like to touch on the post-release issue as well , which is related17:28
mtreinishdo we have a specific one for new tests17:28
sdaguemtreinish: I think our decision was new tests could backport if people wanted to do the work17:29
dkranzmtreinish: I think some folks will be maintaining havana for a while17:29
giulivoso btw that is about cutting a line we don't have strict rules about what we can or can't add in the period preceding the branch, is that correct?17:29
sdaguethough I'd say only for the last stable17:29
dkranzThe question is whether they should be encouraged to add tests upstream or down17:29
sdaguei.e. we stop landing grizzly tests once havana is out17:29
dkranzsdague: Yes17:30
mtreinishsdague: that's reasonable17:30
giulivosdague, not even cherry pick?17:30
sdaguegiulivo: not 2 releases back17:30
giulivoah okay, missed that sorry17:30
giulivoso cherry pick from icehouse to havana is okay17:30
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dkranzsdague: Do you have an opinion on my question above?17:31
sdaguewhat's the post-release issue?17:31
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mtreinishdkranz: I think master is priority if that's what you're asking17:31
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dkranzsdague: Whether folks continuing to add tests to havana should be encouraged to do that upstream or down17:31
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sdagueright, they need to go master first17:31
dkranzmtreinish: Of course they would go in trunk first17:32
dkranzbut about the backporing17:32
sdagueother than that, havana backporting is fine17:32
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dkranzDo we want a lot of actgivity on stable/havana, or not is the question17:32
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sdaguedkranz: I'm not sure I have a huge opinion on that17:33
dkranzsdague: ok17:33
dkranzsdague: I am concerned about the review burden for backports17:34
sdagueI'm completely ok with people doing havana backports. I think if we think it's becoming a distraction for other work, we can sort it out later17:34
dkranzsdague: It is a tradeoff17:34
dkranzsdague: OK, works for me.17:34
sdagueI think this time around the amount of grizzly activity was fine17:34
dkranzsdague: Yes, but I predict havana will be more.17:34
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sdagueFYI, I did close a blueprint this morning that someone put in for backporting quantum tests to folsom17:34
dkranzsdague: But we can see.17:34
dkranzsdague: :)17:34
sdaguewhich is crazy talk :)17:35
sdaguedkranz: yeh, I'd rather deal with problems when they come up17:35
sdagueok so17:35
sdague#agreed wait as long as possible to set stable branch17:35
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sdaguenext topic...17:35
sdague#topic Design Summit Initial Planning (sdague)17:36
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sdagueso, this isn't going to be a top focus for 2 weeks, as we don't need a schedule till after the release17:36
sdaguehowever I wanted to get people thinking about design summit17:36
sdaguewho all is planning on being there?17:37
* afazekas me17:37
* giulivo isn't sure17:37
mtreinishsdague: I think mkoderer said he was going to be there earlier (I don't think he's around now)17:38
sdagueso we'll eventually need things in summit.openstack.org17:38
sdaguebut like last time, I think planning for a coherent track is better in etherpad17:38
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sdagueso I'm starting to fill out ideas that I think we surely need to discuss17:39
dkranzsdague: I think multi-node test runs upstream would be a good topic (again) but not sure if that is us or infra17:39
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sdaguedkranz: so I think it's actually an infra talk, because what it really is is a nodepool discussion17:39
sdagueabout whether node pool can allocate us a set of machines17:40
dkranzsdague: Yeah, I just want it to happen :)17:40
sdaguedkranz: that being said, we've talked about that at every summit I've ever been at17:40
mkodererI am waiting to get my final approval for the trip17:40
dkranzsdague: But it also raises the issue of "install"17:40
sdagueso I'm going to be weary of taking sessions that have shown up before and gotten no progress on them17:41
dkranzsdague: Which we have ignored with all-in-one only17:41
sdaguedkranz: so devstack will do multi node17:41
mtreinishdkranz: devstack has multinode support17:41
afazekasheat + devstack  sounds cool :)17:41
sdagueyeh with heat and nodepool I feel like we have more tools this time17:41
dkranzsdague: I think it is worth a topic either here or infra17:42
sdaguedkranz: sure, can you put something in the etherpad in proposed for it17:42
dkranzsdague: The chance of succes if more now17:42
dkranzsdague: Yes17:42
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sdaguewe've got 13 sessions this time, and we won't overlap with infra17:42
sdaguewe'll be in the same room17:42
sdagueso that's good17:42
sdaguepersonally, my top priority in HK is a solid neutron plan17:43
ravikumar_hpsdague: how many max Qa sessions?17:43
mlavallesdague: +117:43
sdagueand markmcclain1 and I have been talking about that already17:43
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sdaguethat may actually be in the neutron track17:43
dkranzravikumar_hp: 1317:43
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markmcclain1I'd like to be in Neutron if everyone can attend17:44
sdaguemarkmcclain1: yep, I think that's a good call. I was actually going to look at schedule blocks later17:44
mkodererI would like to speak about the stress tests.. but it's still not sure if the trip will be approved17:44
sdagueI think that's an important enough session we should do it in neutron when there is a QA slot and just drive all the QA folks into the neutron room17:45
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sdaguemkoderer: you have an idea when you'll know about approval?17:45
sdaguefor now I'll save you a slot, because I think that's important17:45
dkranzsdague: So "dual session"?17:45
sdaguedkranz: basically17:45
mkoderersdague: hopefully next week17:45
sdaguethat will ensure we aren't conflicting17:46
mkoderersdague: ok sounds great17:46
mlavallesdague: I won't go to HK but I want to be part of the Neutron plan17:46
dkranzsdague: Good idea17:46
sdaguemlavalle: ok, no problem, we'll make sure to get etherpad notes up in advance17:46
sdaguereminder to everyone proposing things, we want an etherpad URL to link to with outline of the discussion17:47
mtreinishsdague: how soon?17:47
sdagueI'm not going to give final approval to anything that doesn't have a good etherpad with agenda, as we want to make the most of our time17:47
sdaguemtreinish: 2 weeks17:47
dkranzsdague: Let's put the urls in a canonical place17:47
sdagueI'll start evaluating on release day17:47
sdagueOct 1717:47
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dkranzsdague: Last time around I created them all when populating the schedule17:47
sdaguedkranz: ok, well how about getting folks to link them in
sdagueI'll build a template on the train tomorrow17:48
dkranzsdague: sounds good17:48
sdagueI'm down in NYC for most of the day, so I have a train ride to do stuff like that17:48
sdaguewe can revisit next week as well17:49
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sdagueok, any other design summit questions / conversations?17:49
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sdague#topic Critical Reviews17:50
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sdagueany critical reviews that need to get eyes on?17:51
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giulivoI've one not critical per-se but which doesn't pass jenkins failing because of devstack errors on the neutron VM (this is on stable/grizzly)17:51
sdaguegiulivo: right, I wonder how those regressed17:52
sdaguebecause we had stable/grizzly working again17:52
sdaguedo we know when it started failing?17:52
sdagueand what could have caused it?17:52
psedlakit's the right?17:52
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1233264 in python-neutronclient "stable branch patches failing in check queue due to missing 'find_resourceid_by_name_or_id'" [High,Fix released]17:52
mtreinishsdague: on the stable branch note there is this: with your -217:52
giulivosdague, mine was pushed on Oct 3, 2013 10:53 and never got the +117:53
psedlaksorry, the
giulivo(well, not from neutron)17:53
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1234181 in neutron "stable/grizzly patches are failing jenkins in check-tempest-devstack-vm-neutron" [Undecided,New]17:53
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sdaguemtreinish: ok, I'll put that back in the check queue17:53
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giulivosdague, people who could work on it I can refer to, to help?17:54
sdaguegiulivo: honestly the #openstack-neutron channel might be better17:54
giulivogot it, thanks :)17:55
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dkranzHas this particular devstack exit happened more than once?17:55
psedlakdkranz: yes17:55
giulivodkranz, yeah it seems to be blocking actually17:55
sdaguegiulivo: so something I experienced is jenkins kills the script late17:55
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sdagueso the actual fail might be 100 lines up17:55
psedlakdkranz: it's already on rechecks ... Affecting changes: 48300, 49485, 49487, 49490, 4949117:56
sdagueyou have a link to a fail log?17:56
giulivosdague, I see, thanks17:56
sdaguegiulivo: actually, lets take that to -qa after the meeting17:56
sdaguewe have 4 mins left17:56
sdagueanything else from folks?17:56
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mkodererstress tests sometimes failing in the nightly17:56
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mkodererI will enhance the logging to get some more information about it17:57
sdaguemkoderer: great!17:57
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sdagueok, I have to run to another meeting. so thanks everyone for coming17:58
sdaguewe'll talk more in -qa17:58
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bdpayne#startmeeting OpenStack Security Group18:00
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bdpaynehi everyone18:00
bpbI hear an echo ....18:01
bdpayneI don't have much on the agenda for the meeting today18:01
bdpayneBut I at least wanted to check in and see if there are any issues that people would like to discuss18:01
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elogood morning...18:01
elonot for me18:02
bdpaynebpb anything you'd like to discuss?18:02
bpbWe got our last patch into Cinder for the volume encryption, so that it's a plug and play feature.  No issues to report, though18:02
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bdpaynebpb great news!18:02
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bdpayneis that the last patch needed for the volume encryption work?18:02
bpbYes, that's right.  But the key manager is not full featured at all...18:03
bpbWe're waiting for Barbican18:03
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bdpaynebut nice to have the feature wrapped up for Havanna18:03
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bpbWe were sweating for a while, esp. with the gating issue.18:04
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bdpaynethomasbiege1 anything you'd like to discuss today?18:04
thomasbiege1bdpayne: no, sorry18:04
bdpayneok, no worries18:04
bdpayneSounds like a quiet week, which if just fine18:05
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thomasbiege1even natinal holiday here18:05
bdpayneSo I won't keep you guys… have a great week and we'll touch base again next week with some more summit planning18:05
rellerrellerWhoa. That was quick.18:05
bpbsounds great.  Joel should be back next week too.18:05
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harlowja#startmeeting state-management20:00
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harlowjaanyone around today :-P20:00
melnikovhi there20:00
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harlowja#link (last meeting)20:02
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harlowja#link (this meeting)20:02
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harlowjaok dokie20:05
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harlowjaguess its just us, so might be quick :-P20:05
harlowja#topic action-items20:05
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harlowjai guess i just had one, ha20:05
harlowjaso Caitlin56 it doesn't appear u can cross link blueprints :(20:06
harlowja*cross project link20:06
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Caitlin56So enter them twice and type the URL in yourself, I suppose.20:07
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harlowjaor like create one, then create a 'link' one that in its description has a link to the other one :-/20:07
harlowjasorta not so nice20:07
harlowja*especially for a project like openstack where alot of stuff is cross-linked20:08
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harlowja#topic coordination20:10
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harlowjaso i think there is some work going on with the celery stuff that could benefit from a little more coordiation20:10
harlowjalet me see if any of those guys are around, kebray yt20:10
jlucciI'm here for like five minutes20:10
jlucci: X20:10
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harlowjaso i was thinking that if we get the real basics in, even with @celery.task decorator, then we can proceed forward with fixing that problem20:11
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harlowjadoes that seem reasonable, i'm not sure how easy it will be to fix that20:11
harlowja*the dependence on celery.task and ultimately its static registry20:11
jlucciYeah, I'm okay with that20:12
jlucciNot sure what changes I need to make for that to happen though20:12
jlucciJust pull out the event thread to consumer stuff?20:12
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jluccis/pull out/change20:12
harlowjai think thats fair, and i think we need to writeup what the issue is, and have a little plan to address it20:12
jlucciWill that change let distributed in, I guess was the question20:12
harlowjawhich i think melnikov, u, and me can explore20:12
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harlowjasure, that change, + bugs/blueprints/plan on next steps to fix that would be great20:13
harlowjai think thats reasonable20:13
jluccikk - Must go for school stuff, but I will get that doe20:13
jluccidone *20:13
* harlowja for those that have no idea what we are talking about, the writeup/plan would help20:13
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harlowjaok, so thats good20:13
harlowjamelnikov does that seem ok with u, i'd almost want to put the distributed_engine in some sorta of 'alpha' area if i could, due to these restrictions20:14
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harlowjabut at least documenting bugs, blueprints, a plan to get out of the problematic situation would be a start20:15
harlowjaat least then we agree it is a problem and have some sort of path to fixing it20:15
melnikovsounds reasonable20:15
harlowja*instead of no path20:15
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harlowja*whether it can be fixed is another question, but we can talk about that outside of this meeting i gues20:15
harlowjaok cool20:15
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harlowja#topic resumption-migrations20:16
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harlowjaso melnikov and i have been throwing around ideas for how to migrate the persisted flow/task details and just wanted to make people aware (or get other input)20:16
harlowjathx melnikov for making that blueprint20:16
harlowjathere is a couple of prototypes up20:17
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harlowjathe general idea though is that when u have a flow with a set of tasks running, while those tasks are running taskflow is actively persisting what those tasks have done20:17
harlowjabut now say half-way through running that set of tasks, the program is stopped, say for a software upgrade20:18
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harlowjathen what happens when the program comes back online and needs to migrate the persisted data for those tasks to some newer format20:18
harlowjaso that the flow that was running can resume running20:18
harlowjaif anyone wants to comment on that blueprint with ideas, its fine also20:19
harlowjaa couple different code reviews with different ideas also20:19
harlowjait'd be nice to see what other people think, are we makign it to complex, to simple, shouldn't do it at all (any of the above)20:19
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harlowjathats about all i had, seeking of course more input on designs and such :)20:21
harlowjaany other topics before open-discuss?20:21
harlowja#topic open-discuss20:22
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harlowjaso just to keep everyone updated20:22
harlowjaalso feel free to update that, still collecting ideas20:22
harlowjamelnikov i was thinking maybe i can focus on improving some examples and such, or maybe anastasia wants to, either or20:22
harlowjaor both of us can20:22
harlowjaget the resumption stuff in20:23
harlowjaand i can also start on whatever the talk will be about with kebray (who i think is going now!)20:23
melnikovanastasia is on vacations until oct 14th20:23
harlowjai can do examples then also, and whatever other stuff y! throws at me20:24
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harlowjamaybe i can start a 'best-practices-for-taskflow' wiki also20:24
harlowjathat seems like a good idea20:24
melnikovyes, good idea20:24
harlowja#action harlowja start taskflow-best-practices wiki20:24
harlowjasince i think we'll hit alot of the same questions over and over20:25
harlowjaand things that taskflow is good at, and thinks that it is not20:25
harlowjaso this seems like a good place to direct people to for common stuff like that20:25
harlowjawill do that20:25
harlowjaCaitlin56 is any of the nextenta people doing a session for cinder20:26
harlowjaif u know20:26
harlowjaah, i see
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Caitlin56planned but not formally scheduled as of yet,20:27
harlowjasure sure20:27
harlowjamost of those seem 'Unreviewed' still20:27
Caitlin56I wouldn't be opposed to presenting a version in a second session if you'd like.20:27
harlowjashould start transitioning to 'approved' (or not) hopefully i guess in the next couple of weeks20:27
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Caitlin56jgriffith is fighting havana bugs - not thinking about icehouse yet20:28
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harlowjaeither or, i was just thinking u might have some good ideas for
harlowjaand we can combine our idea power!20:28
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harlowjaand if i can help out with your session, let me know also20:29
Caitlin56But I am finally confirmed for Hong Kong.20:29
harlowjathats step #1 i guess ;)20:29
kebrayharlowja   hey, I'm here, but dealing with an internal issue... so, not really here.20:29
harlowjakebray jessica popped in, we i think have a good plan20:30
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harlowjajust i need to connect with u on talk and stuff20:30
harlowjacan do after/outside meeting20:30
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harlowjaok, cool, any other stuff for people to talk about, or we can end early :)20:32
harlowjaspeak now!, ha20:32
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harlowjaalright then20:34
harlowjafor more stuff #openstack-state-management folks!20:34
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harlowjau'll find most of us in there20:34
harlowjathx for coming folks melnikov Caitlin56 ;)20:36
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russellbalright, let's do this thang21:02
russellb#startmeeting nova21:02
openstackMeeting started Thu Oct  3 21:02:10 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is russellb. Information about MeetBot at
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.21:02
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russellbhello, everyone!21:02
openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'nova'21:02
russellbwho's around?21:02
russellbalright, cool, and some other lurkers i'm sure21:03
russellb#topic havana status21:03
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russellbhavana-rc1 for nova went out today \o/21:03
russellb5 blueprints and 167 bug fixes in rc121:03
beaglesuh sorry.. new yubikey21:03
russellbah, ok.21:03
russellbso, at this point we do not have an rc2 planned21:03
russellbbut we have 2 weeks until the scheduled havana release21:04
russellbso for any bugs that might be worth including in an rc2, please tag them with "havana-rc-potential"21:04
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comstuda 2 week vacation sounds great.21:04
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russellband if something comes up that you feel justifies an RC2, please talk to me21:04
russellbi wouldn't be surprised if we hit *something* in 2 weeks21:04
russellbany questions about havana status or process?21:05
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russellblast thing, if you have some time, please take a look at bug triage21:05
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russellbwe need to regularly look there for any potential release blockers21:06
russellbnext topic ...21:06
russellb#topic Icehouse21:06
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russellbthe master branch is now open for Icehouse development, feature freeze is over21:06
* comstud claps.21:06
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russellbif you -2'd stuff for the feature freeze, it's worth a pass through your review list to remove those21:06
russellblooks like most of mine expired already, so hoping people will ping me ...21:07
russellbi posted to the ML as a reminder21:07
russellbIf you have blueprints, feel free to start targeting them to icehouse milestones you intend to deliver them in, and blueprint review will kick off soon (probably mostly after the summit though)21:07
russellbspeaking of the summit!21:07
russellbplease propose sessions by the havana release, oct 1721:08
russellb#note please propose design summit sessions by oct 1721:08
russellb23 proposals for nova so far, 32 time slots21:08
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russellbfor reference, 31 time slots in portland21:08
russellbi suspect a bunch more proposals will come in21:08
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* johnthetubaguy has a few sessions to submit tomorrow21:08
russellbjohnthetubaguy: cool :)21:09
russellbi'm sure there's a lot left to come21:09
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russellbwhich brings me to ... i'd like help putting together the schedule21:09
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johnthetubaguyI can probably help if thats useful?21:09
russellbi did it mostly on my own last time, which probably wasn't a great idea21:09
russellbi'd like to gather more input for the hard decisions that have to be made21:09
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russellbwhat sessions are in vs out21:10
russellbwe have tools at our disposal ... like merging sessions together, or just deciding that something is non-controversial or easy enough that just a mailing list thread is sufficient21:10
russellbso, i guess i'd like to know who all would be interested21:10
russellband then, the best way to work together21:10
russellblike ... just comment on the proposals?  (it's public though)21:11
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russellbused a google spreadsheet to rate them?  have some meetings?21:11
russellbor any other ideas?21:11
johnthetubaguyI wondered about a doodle poll, but its not expressive enough21:11
russellb(this is a very good thing to jump in and help with if you have interest in leadership/PTL positions in nova or other projects in the future)21:11
russellbjohnthetubaguy: hm, i haven't used doodle for something like this21:12
russellbi suppose it depends on how many people want to work on it21:12
russellbif it's just a few, we could hop on the phone21:12
johnthetubaguyrussellb: yeah, probably a bad idea, just thinking out loud, yeah depends how many21:12
russellbif a lot of people want to rate proposals, then we should probably just have some sort of simple voting set up21:12
russellband see how that shakes out21:13
mrodden1google form would be how i would probably attack that issue...21:13
johnthetubaguyyeah: +1 to that, depends on the number of people21:13
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russellbok, so I guess I'll post to the mailing list to get a wider audience to the question and figure out how many people want to provide input21:13
russellbi suspect if i do that we'll get a bunch of people saying they'd like to vote ...21:14
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johnthetubaguyyeah, thats true, but then someone group has to read through the vote, and combine duplicate sessions to start with I guess21:14
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cyeohif voting might be worth allowing everyone -2/-1/0/+1/+2 not to actually block or approve but get a better feeling of how strongly they feel about a session21:15
johnthetubaguyI wondered about putting it up in gerrit, lol21:15
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russellbhow would we do that ... a new "project" and each session is a gerrit change?21:15
russellbthat's kinda funny.21:15
russellband i kinda like it21:16
johnthetubaguyit could actually work21:16
clarkbyou don't even need a new project. just a magical nova branch21:16
russellbclarkb: ooh21:16
russellbclarkb: how do you create the branch?  just push it?21:17
clarkb(though that might be interesting to sort out gate jobs for)21:17
cyeohThere is also something like: - which we've used for paper review but might be overkill for this...21:17
clarkbrussellb: no, you need to create it in UI. I should think the branch idea through a little more21:17
russellbclarkb: ok21:17
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clarkbjust to make sure it doesn't make zuul stuff more painful21:17
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russellbclarkb: ok, should I start a thread on the infra list?  or just let you ponder it for a while?21:18
clarkbrussellb: a thread would be great21:18
russellb#action russellb to start a thread on the infra list to explore possibility of using gerrit to gather summit proposal feedback21:18
russellbyou know ... that could result in sessions becoming a popularity contest21:18
russellbemail your company and ask them all to go +1 your thing21:18
* russellb sighs21:18
comstudonly +2s from cores count21:19
comstudthat's wrong too21:19
russellbyeah, crossed my mind, but there's a whole bunch of +1s i'd want to count21:19
russellbif only we could limit it to nova ATCs21:19
johnthetubaguymaybe attendees only, but thats harder to do I guess21:19
comstudmaybe gerrit needs a +1, +2, and +321:20
russellbwell, we have about 2 weeks to sort out the method used for this21:20
dansmithhave we had anyone throw a fit in the past because their session was maliciously ignored in the schedule?21:20
tjonesCan u toss votes from people who r not ATC?21:20
russellbdansmith: ummm, sort of21:20
dansmithrussellb: okay then :)21:20
russellbdansmith: i got lots of grumbling about sessions getting merged, mostly21:21
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russellbso this time i think i'd actually lean more towards saying no than merges (except for obvious duplicates)21:21
russellbfind more cases where a live discussion doesn't seem really useful (the ones where it's an obvious good idea)21:21
russellband yeah, i think some people were offended when i rejected theirs21:22
cyeohif you decide to have a vote, probably a good idea to say up front if you'll follow the results of the vote strictly or just use it as guideline for what you decide to include21:22
russellbit's mighty political :-)21:22
russellbcyeoh: +121:22
russellbso if you want to get more involved in the political side, come right up!21:23
russellbwell it's not political to me, but people take it that way21:23
russellbbut anyway, it's really quite a bit of work, so i'd like to get help and include more people on the decisions :-)21:23
russellband generally thing the more open the better21:23
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johnthetubaguyall sounds good21:24
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russellbI think that's really all I had on Icehouse right now21:24
russellbjust getting things moving there21:24
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russellb#topic sub-team reports21:25
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russellbhaven't done this in a few weeks, sorry21:25
russellbanyone want to give a report on a specific area?21:25
russellbjohnthetubaguy: tjones121:25
johnthetubaguyno xenapi update really, planning the roadmap session next week21:25
johnthetubaguysmokestack is proving useful, looking at tempest based stuff too21:26
russellbso you think we should include plugin versioning if we do an rc2?21:26
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johnthetubaguyits probably worth it, just to help support people with that first time setup21:27
johnthetubaguyits low risk, given smokestack worked21:27
russellbjohnthetubaguy: ok, i'm sort of neutral on it, but with your support i'm good with it21:27
russellbjohnthetubaguy: help me remember if we make rc2 though :)21:27
johnthetubaguyyeah, its a close call, I will try to :)21:27
russellbk, i should remember when i go over the havana-rc-potential list, so shouldn't have to worry ...21:28
russellbthere was talk of smokestack eventually gating21:28
russellbis that still moving?21:28
johnthetubaguyI think so, not totally sure what the blocker is now21:28
driptonIs smokestack fast enough to get to every change in time yet?21:28
johnthetubaguyI think thats the issue, thinking about it21:29
russellbthere seemed to be concerns at first about it not being official infrastructure21:29
johnthetubaguyit used to be, its just that the gate got faster recently21:29
russellbbut that was at the beginning of the conversation, and i haven't followed21:29
johnthetubaguyyeah, I kinda lost track of that, leaving BobBall to push it though, I will follow up with him and Dad21:29
russellbkinda seems like the same sorts of tests should just be run under the same job scheduler (jenkins, zuul) ...21:29
russellbwell definitely glad it's at least running non-gating, so we get heads up21:30
russellbi'm happy with that for all the drivers21:30
johnthetubaguyyeah, I kinda like it doing tempest and devstack, but there are issues down that route21:30
russellbcool, well thanks for the updates21:30
russellbtjones: tjones1 around?21:30
tjonesWe are very  close to posting +1 for changes that pass our CI tests. We just have some small issues to take care of.21:30
russellbdo you know how the vmware CI is coming?21:30
russellbgood to hear21:30
russellbhow about -1s?21:30
tjonesWe will do that too once we are confident in the results21:31
tjonesMaking sure our infra is solid21:31
russellbone thing to consider short term is something that smokestack did21:31
russellbwhich is for -1s, they had to be manually reviewed21:31
russellband if approved, a -1 got posted21:31
russellbit may still work that way, not positive21:31
dansmithtjones: and logs of runs too, I hope?21:31
russellbdansmith: +121:31
tjonesYes exactly. Don't want false negatives. Yes - with logs21:31
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russellbalexpilotti: you aren't around by chance are you?  curious about CI on hyper-v.  ping me later to chat if not around now21:32
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russellbi know there's active work on CI for baremetal with the other triple-o elements21:32
alexpilottirussellb: hi21:32
russellbalexpilotti: hi there :)21:32
russellbalexpilotti: was just talking through hypervisors and CI status, was wondering about hyper-v21:33
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russellbsince that's something we want to require before the icehouse release21:33
alexpilottirussellb: primeministerp is coordinating this effort21:33
russellbah ok21:33
alexpilottirussellb: I can tell you anyway that we will have it ready21:33
russellbok great :-)21:34
alexpilottirussellb: what's the deadline21:34
alexpilottirussellb: I3 or the actual Icehouse release :-)21:34
russellbgood question21:34
russellbi suppose the idea was that if it's not done we'd be pulling drivers out21:34
russellbso really needs to be done by feature freeze, or shortly after21:34
russellbso, icehouse-3 ideally21:34
alexpilottirussellb: oki21:34
russellbwith a little bit of slack21:35
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russellbdocker is a new driver in havana21:35
alexpilottirussellb: is there a common design / implementation among the driver's CIs?21:35
russellbthey added devstack suppot (i asked for it so we'd have an easy path to CI)21:35
russellbalexpilotti: no, the idea is just to use gerrit's interface for voting for test results21:36
alexpilottirussellb: ok, and for the rest each driver can do whatever is needed?21:36
russellbalexpilotti: you basically could either try to get hooked into jenkins/zuul, join in with smokestack, or build your own (like vmware is doing)21:36
alexpilottirussellb: yep, the zuul part is clear21:37
russellbi don't mind, if it's easier to build your own thing, i'm OK with that, as long as the test results are available21:37
russellbbasically, act like smokestack21:37
russellbbut really, the *best* thing IMO is see if you can work with the infrastructure team21:37
alexpilottirussellb: are there requirements, like doing a triple-o deployment21:37
dansmithrussellb: and the goal is 'running tempest' right?21:37
russellbdansmith: good point, yes21:37
russellbi guess i haven't been especially clear on details here :)21:37
dansmithbecause that's not what smokestack does, just to be clear21:37
russellbdansmith: good point ...21:38
dansmithand while it's a good step, I definitely think running tempest is what we should shoot for21:38
alexpilottidansmith: yep, we're already working on tempest21:38
dansmithalexpilotti: cool21:38
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russellbso on docker, it *should* be easy to add to the existing infra21:39
russellbblocker i hit was that the images we use right now don't have a new enough kernel21:39
russellbso either i need to convince infra to upgrade the kernel in the image everything uses, or get a new image created just for the docker runs21:39
alexpilottirussellb: during H3 I saw a real massive peak of jobs21:39
russellbalexpilotti: for sure :)21:40
russellband i would prepare for even more in icehouse21:40
alexpilottirussellb: do you know how many bare metal servers are being used for smokestack?21:40
russellbmore contributions, and an improved infrastructure will result in a bunch more, just like havana21:40
russellbalexpilotti: talk to dan prince for details on smokestack21:40
alexpilottirussellb: I will, tx21:40
russellbonly driver we haven't discussed is powervm21:41
russellbi've heard rumors of CI for that being worked on, don't know details or status though21:41
dansmithmriedem: mrodden ?21:41
mriedemwas just about to head out21:41
russellbtoo bad, now you have the spotlight21:42
mriedemit's a WIP, working with dansmith's old team on details21:42
mriedemwe already run something like smokestack and tempest internally21:42
dansmithmriedem: really?21:42
mriedemdansmith: yup, it's a bit *confused* at the moment21:42
dansmithhumkay :)21:42
mroddenthe biggest worry is being able to keep up with community patchsets coming it at the moment21:43
russellbyeah, it's quite a flow21:43
mroddencoming in*21:43
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russellband only going to increase21:43
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mroddenthats true21:43
russellbwell, let me know if you  need anything from me21:44
russellb#topic open discussion21:44
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russellbany other topics you fine folks would like to discuss?21:44
russellbzuul is really bored21:44
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dansmithI'm about to fix that21:44
russellbso we should go review or write more code, heh21:44
beaglesI do.. actually21:44
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russellbbeagles: cool! what's up21:44
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beaglesokay, so I've been out in quantum/neutron land for the past. The idea was to provide some continuity or something but that quickly got subverted by...21:46
beaglesother thiings21:46
jog0russellb: what happens when this deadline passes
russellbjog0: pull the drivers out of the tree IMO21:47
russellbjog0: that's why i'm trying to over-communicate about this to the driver maintainers21:47
beaglesanyways, the goal of bringing it up to snuff and deprecating nova-networking afaik remains21:47
jog0russellb: ++ it may be worth making that public since that is only 6.5 months away21:47
russellbjog0: OK21:47
jog0err more public21:47
russellb#action russellb to send an update on the driver CI requirement to the ML21:47
beaglesthere is no actual roadmap for that... so I've started trying to make sense of that21:47
beaglesI started a doc
beaglesthe notion is to start a productive conversation around what it is going to take to meet that goal21:48
russellbsidenote: can we move it to the wiki?  :-)21:49
beaglesthere is still a lot of librarian work to do on cataloging particular points... but that is perhaps besides the point21:49
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driptonThat is a ton of detail to absorb.  Can we all read it and discuss again next week?21:49
jog0beagles: I didn't see tempst anywhere in that doc, a little surprised21:49
beaglesdripton, yes21:49
russellbbeagles: how would you like feedback on this?21:49
beaglesjog0, it is implied21:49
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beaglesat the bottom21:50
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russellb#note Check out beagles' doc on nova-network and neutron -->
* jog0 doesn't do well with implicit21:50
russellbyeah, i need some time to read through it21:50
beaglesrussellb, not sure really. Does the wiki provide mechanisms for comments21:50
russellbbeagles: no21:50
russellbdoes google?  i haven't used that if so21:50
beaglesjog0: :) truth be told I didn't get to the point of pointing all tha tis broken21:50
beaglesrussellb, I think so21:50
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tjones1yes google does21:51
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russellbjust trying to keep everything in one place is all21:51
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beaglesfwiw: when I started this doc, it was meant to be a four pager, but each time I bring it up I find out something else that needs to be at least summarized21:51
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russellbso doesn't have to move now, can move later when you have collected feedback if that works best21:52
beaglesrussellb, k21:52
russellbOk, so, we should all review this and discuss next week?21:52
beaglesyup.. feel free to email me or comment or ping me on irc or whatever21:52
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jog0beagles: is there a summery anywhere?21:53
russellbbut this is by far the most detail on the topic i've seen, so nice work21:53
beaglesjog0: not at the moment... it will need a blueprint21:53
russellbjog0: the end has a section on what to do from here21:53
jog0russellb: ahh nice21:53
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russellbbeagles: gathering feedback from the neutron side as well?21:54
russellbguess that's a silly question21:54
beaglesrussellb, yes... I introduced this earlier this week.. no feedback yet. I'm also planting seeds that any discussions of Icehouse endeavors for neutron have to take this into account very seriously21:54
beaglesplanting seeds? no, I've just said it outright actually :)21:55
beaglesand will continue to do so21:55
russellbhuge +121:55
russellbi feel like we as a project sort of dropped the ball on this in havana21:55
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* beagles shrugs21:56
russellbbeagles: well thanks a lot for bringing this up, and i'll be sure to read soon21:56
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johnthetubaguy+1 we need to make progress on this, this looks like a good step forward :)21:56
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beaglesno hurry for the weekend, rewrites in progress :)21:57
russellbwell, good meeting everyone, thanks a lot!21:58
russellbbye for now21:58
tjones1c ya21:58
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