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| mestery | hi | 13:59 |
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| dandrushko | hi | 14:00 |
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| mestery | #startmeeting networking_ml2 | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Oct 2 14:00:21 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mestery. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: networking_ml2)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking_ml2' | 14:00 |
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| mestery | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/ML2 Agenda | 14:00 |
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| mestery | So, I'd like to spend 15-20 minutes on bugs and docs, and the remainder of the meeting on Icehouse planning. | 14:01 |
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| mestery | #topic Bugs and Docs | 14:01 |
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| mestery | rkukura: Can you update us on docs? | 14:01 |
| rkukura | OK | 14:01 |
| rkukura | emagana is doing a 1st pass at updating the cloud admin guide | 14:02 |
| rkukura | review is at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/49308/ | 14:02 |
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| rkukura | Does anyone have progress to report on the other guides? | 14:02 |
| Sukhdev | I have not been able to start yet | 14:03 |
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| rkukura | I don't see reviews attached to any of the other doc bugs | 14:04 |
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| mestery | OK. We'll have to keep an eye on those reviews this week to ensure some progress is made on at least some of them. | 14:04 |
| rkukura | I guess that's it for now, but we need to make progress | 14:04 |
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| mestery | rkukura: Thanks and I agree. | 14:04 |
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| mestery | On the bug front, are there any ML2 bugs we should discuss in the meeting today? | 14:05 |
| Sukhdev | I will start on mine either later this week or early next week | 14:05 |
| mestery | Sukhdev: Thanks! | 14:05 |
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| mestery | So I guess on the bug front, ML2 is looking good then! | 14:06 |
| Sukhdev | I have a patch out for Arista cleanup bug -will be pushing updated patch later today | 14:06 |
| rkukura | I just filed https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1234195 and will propose a fix similar to that for https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1230330 | 14:06 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1234195 in neutron "ML2 mechanism drivers not called for ports auto-deleted when subnet deleted" [Undecided,New] | 14:06 |
| mestery | Sukhdev: Thanks! | 14:06 |
| matrohon | I also updated my patch about live-migration | 14:06 |
| mestery | rkukura: Awesome, thanks for cleaning both of those up! | 14:06 |
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| matrohon | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/48261/ | 14:06 |
| mestery | matrohon: I saw that, thanks for adding similar support to OVS and LB plugins. | 14:06 |
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| matrohon | as I understood, mark want it for RC1? | 14:07 |
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| rkukura | I haven't reviewed it yet, but am slightly concerned its scope may too big for RC1 or RC2 | 14:07 |
| mestery | matrohon: I think RC1 was cut already or will be soon. | 14:08 |
| mestery | But there will be an RC2 likely. | 14:08 |
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| rkukura | But I think we should try to get it in | 14:08 |
| mestery | markmcclain says that bug is the last blocker for RC. | 14:08 |
| mestery | rkukura: Lets review that one ASAP once the meeting is done. | 14:08 |
| markmcclain | yes it is the last one I've been waiting on for RC1 | 14:09 |
| mestery | markmcclain: We're discussing https://review.openstack.org/#/c/48261/ | 14:09 |
| mestery | OK, lets review this one diligently after the ML2 meeting. | 14:09 |
| rkukura | markmcclain: Is this the one rc1 is waiting for? | 14:09 |
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| mestery | #action rkukura and mestery to review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/48261/ as it's the last RC1 blocker | 14:09 |
| markmcclain | yeah mainly because there's a change to the RPC interface | 14:10 |
| rkukura | I'll review it ASAP | 14:10 |
| markmcclain | ideally I we don't want to change those between RC releases | 14:10 |
| rkukura | makes sense | 14:10 |
| mestery | OK, thanks for clarifying markmcclain. | 14:10 |
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| mestery | Any other bugs to discuss? | 14:10 |
| Sukhdev | what is the timeline for RC2? | 14:10 |
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| markmcclain | Sukhdev: there is not a definitive date for RC2 | 14:11 |
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| Sukhdev | OK | 14:11 |
| markmcclain | it depends on any issues we find the first RC | 14:11 |
| Sukhdev | I will be putting out an updated patch today - wanted to check when will it make it in | 14:12 |
| mestery | OK, just a note for everyone in case you missed it: ML2 is now the default plugin for devstack when running with Neutron. | 14:13 |
| Sukhdev | saw that - thanks | 14:13 |
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| mestery | Thanks to rkukura for working with me last week for 2.5 days to track down the tempest failures! | 14:13 |
| pcm_ | Are there published notes for users wanting to migrate from OVS-> ML2? | 14:14 |
| mestery | pcm_: Not yet, we're working on that. | 14:14 |
| mestery | And in fact, that leads us to the next topic ... | 14:14 |
| mestery | #topic ML2 Icehouse Planning | 14:14 |
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| mestery | If you look at the agenda, we have a list of ML2 Icehouse items listed there, collected from anyone who wanted to put an idea down. | 14:15 |
| rkukura | do we want to consider a conversion tool that populates ML2's tables based on existing OVS tables? | 14:15 |
| mestery | rkukura: That would be interesting actually. | 14:15 |
| roaet | hello. I am back. | 14:15 |
| mestery | roaet: Hi, we're discussing Icehouse planning now. | 14:16 |
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| mestery | So, the thinking is that we'd like to see if we could group all the ML2 items into maybe two Icehouse sessions. | 14:16 |
| roaet | Thank you, I apologize for lateness. Flu season hitting my family hard. Have we done doc-project status? | 14:16 |
| rkukura | would such a conversion tool be required at the point when icehouse drops the deprecated plugins? | 14:16 |
| mestery | rkukura: That's when it would make most sense, yes. | 14:17 |
| mestery | rkukura: I was hoping to walk down the list and discuss the items now, make sense? | 14:18 |
| rkukura | sure | 14:18 |
| rkukura | I'm not sure the conversion tool would need a session, but maybe be part of one | 14:18 |
| mestery | Agreed | 14:18 |
| mestery | So, the first item which is on the list is RPC handling in ML2. | 14:18 |
| mestery | asomya has looked at this a bit, and we even talked about this a bit in May/June of this year. | 14:19 |
| mestery | But deferred doing anything until Icehouse. | 14:19 |
| mestery | asomya: Here? Want to elaborate on this one? | 14:19 |
| asomya | @mestery sure | 14:20 |
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| asomya | In a nutshell, we want RPC messages to be sent all the way to they type and mechanism managers instead of the ml2 plugin answering them. | 14:20 |
| rkukura | asomya: what about when several mechanism (all the l2 agent drivers) receive the same RPC? | 14:21 |
| asomya | This does crop up some issues with multiple drivers loaded, so I was thinking we could either implement multiple topics and send all messages to all drivers to be consumed as seen fit or implement an RPC manager that collects replies from all dirvers and sends it down to the sender | 14:21 |
| rkukura | asomya: What is motivating this? | 14:22 |
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| Sukhdev | asomya: what is the goal for doing this>? | 14:22 |
| asomya | @rkukura A couple of ML2 drivers that we were tying to implement, including Opendaylight.. where we need custom RPC calls to the mechanism manager that talks to the controller | 14:23 |
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| rkukura | For "common" RPC methods like get_device_details(), could common plugin code handle the RPC, find the bound mech driver, and call it? | 14:23 |
| mestery | rkukura: For common RPC methods, that makes sense to me. | 14:23 |
| asomya | We could take the common code and make a class out of it so that if any mech manager just wants the generic replies.. it can simply inherit that otherwise override calls as needed | 14:24 |
| asomya | *mech driver.. not mech manager | 14:24 |
| rkukura | does anything prevent mech drivers currently from registering additional RPC methods they handle, or do we need to provide an interface for this? | 14:24 |
| matrohon | this is done with type_tunnel, which handle tunnel_sync | 14:25 |
| asomya | There's shouldn't be anything blocking additional registering, this is for the case where we want to override the common methods as well | 14:25 |
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| rkukura | sounds like something we could work out at the summit as part of a session on ML2 driver APIs or something | 14:26 |
| asomya | @rkukura yup, i was thinking the same | 14:26 |
| mestery | Makes sense to me | 14:26 |
| mestery | LEts move on, considering the time and the rest of hte list. | 14:27 |
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| mestery | #action RPC handling in ML2 to be added to an ML2 sessions for Icehouse Summit | 14:27 |
| mestery | Next item on the list: More extensible TypeDrivers. | 14:27 |
| mestery | This came out of controller-based MEchanismDrivers, specifically OpenDaylight. | 14:27 |
| mestery | asomya and I hit this, and I know rkukura has talked to cdub about this as well. | 14:27 |
| rkukura | is the crux of this that some controller want network_type to be opaque? | 14:28 |
| mestery | Specifically, if a controller wants to control segment allocation, it's possible a TypeDriver may need to make a REST call to a controller. | 14:28 |
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| mestery | rkukura: Yes. | 14:28 |
| rkukura | Really opaque, or just selected by the controller? | 14:28 |
| mestery | Both, to some extent. | 14:29 |
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| asomya | Currently the segementation management is distributed across the plugin and the type drivers are just selectors. We should move everything segmentation related to the type drivers and the Ml2 plugin could just call the type drivers tfor segmentation ids | 14:29 |
| rkukura | A completely opaque network_type should just be a new driver in the existing framework, but the later might take some work | 14:29 |
| Sukhdev | Will this mean the segmentation ID allocation be pushed to controller as well? | 14:30 |
| mestery | Sukhdev: That was part of the motiviation in the case of ODL, yes. | 14:30 |
| rkukura | asomya: Isn't that how it works now? | 14:30 |
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| asomya | @rkukura from what i saw, the plugin expects an integer segmentation id and stores it in the DB itself.. the network_id is not sent to type drivers.. at least in the case of the vlan type driver that i saw.. it was jsut selecting a vlan id available and sending it back to the ml2 plugin | 14:31 |
| rkukura | clearly this is something to discuss at the summit - should it be part of the same "ML2 driver API" session as above? | 14:31 |
| rkukura | asomya: I thinkk https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/ml2-typedriver-extra-port-info already addresses at least part of this | 14:32 |
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| mestery | rkukura: I think that makes sense. | 14:32 |
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| mestery | rkukura: I forgot about that one, thanks for reminding me! | 14:32 |
| mestery | OK, lets add this one to the Summit list as well. | 14:32 |
| mestery | #action TypeDriver extension in the context of controller MechanismDrivers to be part of Icehouse Summit sessions. | 14:32 |
| rkukura | I'm thinking that BP and the two items we've discussed all relate to each other | 14:33 |
| mestery | Next on the list: Monolithic plugins vs. ML2 MechanismDrivers: current and future plans | 14:33 |
| mestery | rkukura: Agreed. | 14:33 |
| mestery | rkukura: You put this on on the agenda, right? | 14:33 |
| mestery | *one | 14:33 |
| rkukura | yes | 14:33 |
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| rkukura | The idea was to get the maintainers of existing monolithic controller-based plugins, and those considering writing new ones, into a room to discuss tradeoffs/obstacles/etc regarding ML2 driver vs. monolithic | 14:34 |
| mestery | So, more of a discussion to see if ML2 is missing something to support their needs? | 14:35 |
| amotoki | hi, i am interested in this topic too. If ML2 allows additional extension support by mechanism drivers, migration to ML2 becomes easier. | 14:35 |
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| rkukura | so the issues we discussed already are deep technical details, but I'm looking more at the ecosystem and community aspects of it | 14:35 |
| mestery | amotoki: What do you mean by additional extension support? Extension APIs? | 14:35 |
| mestery | rkukura: I think this aspect is perfect to start off the ML2 sessions with at the Summit. | 14:35 |
| rkukura | and also whether, for example, the L3 and other service plugability need to evolve for this | 14:36 |
| amotoki | Some monilithic plugin supports extra extensions and it can be a blocker to migratoin to ML2. | 14:36 |
| amotoki | service plugin mechanism may help it of course. | 14:36 |
| rkukura | amotoki: that's a great item for that session | 14:36 |
| amotoki | that sounds nice thought i haven't break down the problem yet. | 14:37 |
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| mestery | #action Add Ecosystem and community aspects of ML2 to the Icehouse list | 14:37 |
| mestery | I think that one is a no-brainer to add the Summit list rkukura. | 14:37 |
| rkukura | My suggestion is this one is not a BP, but more of a debate | 14:37 |
| mestery | rkukura: Agreed. | 14:37 |
| rkukura | OK, I'll submit it | 14:37 |
| mestery | Cool. | 14:37 |
| amotoki | agree. | 14:37 |
| mestery | OK, next item on the list: Future directions for ML2 (orchestration, deployment, management, ...) | 14:38 |
| mestery | rkukura: Looks like this one is more of a discussion as well, correct? | 14:38 |
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| rkukura | yes, various ideas were in my ML2 proposals at the last two summits, and others may have ideas too | 14:39 |
| rkukura | modular agent is another | 14:39 |
| mestery | Yes, I agree. | 14:39 |
| mestery | Also, Modular Layer 3 as well, though that may be outside the scope of ML2 perhaps. | 14:40 |
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| rkukura | so not sure if a free-form session on futures makes sense, or a set of BPs to discuss | 14:40 |
| roaet | mestery: I've been interested in working with pluggable/configurable IPAM. Would that be Modular Layer 3? | 14:41 |
| Sukhdev | Do we have plans to cover ML3 in IceHouse or only limit it to ML2? | 14:41 |
| rkukura | is these where discussion of https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/campus-network fits? | 14:41 |
| mestery | roaet: I think it's separate, modular layer 3 would be allowing multiple disparite L3 agents to work together, similar to how ML2 does it for MechanismDrivers. | 14:41 |
| roaet | Ah got it. | 14:41 |
| mestery | rkukura: I think so, yes. | 14:41 |
| mestery | Sukhdev: I'm throwing ML3 out there, since in Havana L3 was made pluggable, it only makes sense to make it more extensible in the same way as ML2 IMHO. | 14:42 |
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| rkukura | I was touching on this under the monolithic-vs-driver session as well, but a specific BP to discuss for ML3 would be great | 14:43 |
| mestery | #action File blueprint for Modular Layer 3 (ML3), good Icehouse Summit session. | 14:43 |
| mestery | OK, moving on to the next item. | 14:43 |
| Sukhdev | So, shall we add a session to discuss ML3 extensibility as well? | 14:43 |
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| mestery | Sukhdev: Yes, just noted that. :) | 14:43 |
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| mestery | NExt item: Migration from deprecated plugins. | 14:44 |
| mestery | We touched on this a bit already. | 14:44 |
| mestery | I think it's worth talking about this at the Summit as well, perhaps in a combined session. | 14:44 |
| rkukura | Seems we might have some ideas how to combine topics into a set of sessions, but cannot finalize that until we have them all | 14:44 |
| mestery | rkukura: Yes. | 14:44 |
| mestery | So, regarding migration, rkukura, something to add to the Summit list? | 14:45 |
| rkukura | not sure how much there is to discuss about it | 14:45 |
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| mestery | rkukura: Fair point. | 14:46 |
| rkukura | We could file a BP for a tool and discuss it | 14:46 |
| mestery | true. | 14:46 |
| rkukura | but something like 10 minutes might be enough | 14:46 |
| mestery | #action File BP for migration from deprecated plugins to ML2. | 14:46 |
| mestery | yes | 14:46 |
| rkukura | unless there is controversy | 14:46 |
| mestery | Heh :) | 14:46 |
| mestery | OK, next item, and something matrohon may be interested in: | 14:47 |
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| mestery | Adding VXLAN multicast into the OVS agent. | 14:47 |
| mestery | This is somewhat related to ML2, and was brought up on #openstack-neutron this week, so I thought I'd put it in here. | 14:47 |
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| mestery | Anyways, this is something which is possible with newer versions of OVS, Linux kernel, and iproute2 packages. | 14:48 |
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| mestery | And would make LB and OVS with VXLAN very close to the same, as both would use VXLAN ports from the Linux kernel. | 14:48 |
| rkukura | Is using it just a matter of turning off the endpoint management, or is there more to it? | 14:49 |
| mestery | #action File BP for VXLAN multicast support in OVS plugin using upstream Linux kernel VXLAN ports. | 14:49 |
| mestery | rkukura: That may be it, but there may be a bit of underlying configuration required, I need to look into it a bit to verify. | 14:49 |
| rkukura | trying to get a sense of which are 10 minute topics vs. needing 40 minutes (or more) | 14:50 |
| matrohon | mestery: sounds great, we need to have the same beahvior between ovs and lb with vxlan | 14:50 |
| Sukhdev | I thought OVS plugin was being deprecated, am I missing something? | 14:50 |
| mestery | Sukhdev: I mean OVS agent. | 14:50 |
| mestery | With the OVS MD | 14:50 |
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| Sukhdev | ah thanks | 14:50 |
| mestery | matrohon: Yes, I think that's a good goal to have, and it's achievable. | 14:50 |
| mestery | rkukura: I think this is a 10 minute topic, or maybe not even worth discussing at the summit. | 14:51 |
| mestery | BP may be all that is needed. | 14:51 |
| matrohon | agreed, this is just an aligment betwen the two agent | 14:51 |
| mestery | OK, the last topic: Multisegment provider network implementations in MechanismDrivers and OVS. | 14:51 |
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| mestery | This came up from a discussion amongst apech rcurran myself and a few others yesterday. | 14:52 |
| rkukura | mestery: Can you explain? | 14:52 |
| mestery | Yes. | 14:52 |
| apech | i can try too :) | 14:52 |
| mestery | The thinking was that we could modify the OVS agent to support "bridging" provider networks, if needed. | 14:52 |
| mestery | apech: Please, jump in here. :) | 14:53 |
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| mestery | But there was slightly more to it as well, I'm missing some nuance perhaps. | 14:53 |
| rkukura | interesting | 14:53 |
| apech | so i'm not sure if this needs to be discussed at the summit, but one area of interest is how neutron can define VXLAN gateways (basically a translation of VXLAN to VLAN). This seems to be something a bunch of different plugins solve | 14:53 |
| rkukura | this kind of fits in with the futures and orchestration | 14:53 |
| rkukura | bridging service? | 14:54 |
| apech | yeah | 14:54 |
| mestery | rkukura apech: Yes to both. | 14:54 |
| mestery | :) | 14:54 |
| apech | looking at what's out there, there seem to be a couple possible ways of doing this - provider networks (and multi provider networks), and the Nicira plugin defines a NetworkGateway class | 14:54 |
| mestery | So, I think this may be something to discuss at the summit. | 14:54 |
| matrohon | you can use l2-pop two | 14:54 |
| apech | so I'm not sure what the right way to push this is, but wondering if others have thoughts, or if it is worthwhile discussing | 14:54 |
| apech | and what that means for the mech drivers | 14:54 |
| mestery | matrohon: How so? | 14:54 |
| matrohon | with l2-pop you can tell what next-hop you will use for your vxlan traffic | 14:55 |
| matrohon | what tunnel, and so what gateway to use | 14:56 |
| apech | sure, but you need some way to define that the gateway exists, and what attributes it has (ie VTEP IP) - does l2-pop provide this? | 14:56 |
| mestery | matrohon: Interesting. I think this will be worth discussing in Hong Kong. | 14:56 |
| rkukura | seems like a good topic to discuss at the summit - maybe a focus on multi-segment networks | 14:56 |
| apech | then you can bind an existing network to that gateway | 14:56 |
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| mestery | rkukura: Agreed. | 14:56 |
| mestery | Lets add this one to the agenda. | 14:56 |
| apech | okay sounds good | 14:56 |
| matrohon | mestery: agreed | 14:56 |
| mestery | #action Add multi-segment networks in ML2 to the Icehouse Summit list. | 14:57 |
| mestery | OK, that was the last one I had. | 14:57 |
| rkukura | we should see if others in the meeting have additional topics to suggest | 14:57 |
| amotoki | apech: i think a gateway is to communicate outside to neutron network. | 14:57 |
| mestery | IF people have more, please add them to the meeting page for now. | 14:57 |
| amotoki | Do we have a plan to support multiple provider networks on a compute node? if i remember correctly rkukura presented the similar topic in last summit. | 14:57 |
| mestery | amotoki: That is what we'll discuss in Hong Kong. | 14:57 |
| mestery | We could do it using L2 Population it seems. | 14:57 |
| amotoki | mestery: nice | 14:58 |
| mestery | OK, so please list more ML2 ideas on the meeting page. | 14:58 |
| matrohon | amotoki : we also need gateway to communicate between segment | 14:58 |
| mestery | Next week, rkukura and I will see which ones we can combine and which ones need more time. | 14:58 |
| amotoki | it seems better to create a wiki page such as Nuetron/ML2/Havana. | 14:58 |
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| rkukura | amotoki: Not sure I understand the question - even grizzly supports multiple provider networks | 14:58 |
| amotoki | can we use multiple provider networks on a single node? | 14:58 |
| mestery | amotoki: This is very temporary for now I think. :) | 14:58 |
| mestery | amotoki: Yes. | 14:59 |
| amotoki | but we need a single br-int. | 14:59 |
| matrohon | one more subject : do we need a new agent with drivers for ovs and lb? | 15:00 |
| mestery | We may need to modify the agent to do this or use L2 Pop, we'll discuss more in Hong Kong it seems. | 15:00 |
| rkukura | that br-int is managed by a single L2 agent, and can support multiple provider and tenant nets | 15:00 |
| mestery | matrohon: Good one! rkukura and I were thinking a combined agent perhaps? | 15:00 |
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| rkukura | amotoki: Are you looking for multiple mechanisms (agents, etc) on same compute node? | 15:00 |
| mestery | #action Discuss a combined Linuxbridge and OVS agent for ML2 as the two converge more nad more. | 15:00 |
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| matrohon | mestery :sounds great! | 15:00 |
| mestery | OK, thanks again everyone! | 15:00 |
| mestery | #endmeeting | 15:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Oct 2 15:00:52 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_ml2/2013/networking_ml2.2013-10-02-14.00.html | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_ml2/2013/networking_ml2.2013-10-02-14.00.txt | 15:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_ml2/2013/networking_ml2.2013-10-02-14.00.log.html | 15:00 |
| rkukura | thanks everyone! | 15:01 |
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| amotoki | rkukura: What I think is a case where one bridge is OpenFlow controlled and the other is just a linux bridge. This is one example. | 15:01 |
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| amotoki | thank everyone. | 15:02 |
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| rkukura | amotoki: That probably is not possible yet, so could be a good topic | 15:06 |
| rkukura | amotoki: Maybe the binding attributes neutron sets on a bound port could be used by nova to get the bridge name | 15:07 |
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| rkukura | amotoki: There were other changes to the port binding extension that didn't make havana, and maybe this could be part of a discussion of those. | 15:08 |
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| johnthetubaguy | lets see how people feel | 15:11 |
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| med_ | jgriffith, mtg? | 16:02 |
| jgriffith | #startmeeting cinder | 16:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Oct 2 16:02:05 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jgriffith. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:02 |
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| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:02 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'cinder' | 16:02 |
| jgriffith | Hey ho everyone | 16:02 |
| med_ | \o | 16:02 |
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| caitlin_56 | hello | 16:02 |
| zhiyan | hello | 16:02 |
| jungleboyj | Heyoooo! | 16:02 |
| DuncanT | hey | 16:02 |
| jjacob512 | hello | 16:02 |
| kmartin | hey | 16:02 |
| bpb | hey | 16:02 |
| bill_az_ | Hi all | 16:02 |
| avishay | hello all | 16:02 |
| eharney | hi | 16:02 |
| xyang_ | hi | 16:02 |
| dosaboy | gooday | 16:03 |
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| bswartz | .o/ | 16:03 |
| thingee | o/ | 16:03 |
| jungleboyj | What a crowd. | 16:03 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: you've got a number of things on the agenda, you want to start? | 16:03 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: you about? | 16:04 |
| DuncanT | jgriffith: Once I'd gone through them all, most of them ended up being fix committed. I can only find 2 taskflow bugs though | 16:04 |
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| DuncanT | And last week suggested 3 | 16:04 |
| jgriffith | did you log a bug/bugs? | 16:04 |
| DuncanT | jgriffith: These are all from last week's summary | 16:04 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: which *These* | 16:05 |
| jgriffith | You mean the white-list topic? | 16:05 |
| jgriffith | #topic TaskFlow | 16:05 |
| DuncanT | Yeah | 16:05 |
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| jgriffith | Ok.. | 16:05 |
| jgriffith | so we had two bugs that are in flight | 16:05 |
| jgriffith | I've asked everybody to please review | 16:05 |
| jgriffith | the white list issue a number of people objected to reversing that | 16:05 |
| hemna_ | which reviews ? | 16:06 |
| eharney | i just put a -0 on 49103, but i think it's ok | 16:06 |
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| jgriffith | hemna_: go to https://launchpad.net/cinder/+milestone/havana-rc1 | 16:06 |
| hemna_ | thnx | 16:06 |
| jgriffith | hemna_: anything that's "In Progress" needs a review if it's not in flight | 16:06 |
| DuncanT | All four seem to eb in flight now | 16:07 |
| jgriffith | hemna_: There's actually on like 3 patches that I'm waiting on, one of them is yours :) | 16:07 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: Oh yeah!! | 16:07 |
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| hemna_ | I need your iscsi patch to land | 16:07 |
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| jgriffith | My cry for help worked | 16:07 |
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| jungleboyj | :-) | 16:08 |
| med_ | +1 | 16:08 |
| hemna_ | then I'll refactor mine (iser) to remove the volumes_dir conf entry | 16:08 |
| hemna_ | as it's a dupe | 16:08 |
| hemna_ | in both our patches | 16:08 |
| jgriffith | hemna_: k.. if you need to you can cherry pick and make a dep | 16:08 |
| jgriffith | hemna_: but hopefully gates are moving along still this morning | 16:08 |
| avishay | don't jinx it... | 16:08 |
| jgriffith | eeesssh... yeah, sorry :( | 16:09 |
| * jungleboyj is knocking on wood. | 16:09 | |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: what else on TaskFlow did you have (think we got side-tracked) | 16:09 |
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| DuncanT | jgriffith: My only question is that last week's summary said 3 bugs, and I could only find 2 | 16:09 |
| DuncanT | If there are no more real bugs, I'll stop worrying | 16:10 |
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| jgriffith | DuncanT: well, for H I *hope* we're good | 16:10 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: For Icehouse I think we have some work to do | 16:10 |
| jgriffith | ie white-list versus black-list debate :) | 16:11 |
| DuncanT | Sure. Hopefully somebody can take that debate to the summit? | 16:11 |
| avishay | jgriffith: i don't know if you want to discuss this now, but i was wondering what the policy would be for new features in Icehouse - taskflow only? | 16:11 |
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| jgriffith | #topic Icehouse | 16:11 |
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| jgriffith | avishay: not sure what you mean? | 16:12 |
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| jgriffith | I hope that taskflow isn't the only thing we work on in I :) | 16:12 |
| hemna_ | the policy for new features? we add them no? | 16:12 |
| avishay | jgriffith: if i'm submitting retype for example, should it use taskflow? | 16:12 |
| jgriffith | although that seems to be everybody's interest lately | 16:12 |
| thingee | jgriffith: not me | 16:12 |
| jgriffith | avishay: OHHHH... excellent question! | 16:12 |
| thingee | api all the way | 16:12 |
| hemna_ | :P | 16:12 |
| jgriffith | thingee: :) | 16:12 |
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| caitlin_56 | I think that favoring new features via taskflow would be a great idea. | 16:12 |
| jgriffith | avishay: TBH I'm not sure how I feel about that yet | 16:13 |
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| hemna_ | avishay, so that kinda begs the question about taskflow, are we propagating it to all of the driver apis ? | 16:13 |
| jungleboyj | jgriffith: The goal is to eventually get everything there, right? | 16:13 |
| jgriffith | caitlin_56: perhaps, but perhaps not | 16:13 |
| avishay | I hope I'll have time to convert migration and retype to use taskflow for Icehouse, but can't promise | 16:13 |
| caitlin_56 | WE shouldn't force things to be taskflows that are not naturally. | 16:13 |
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| jgriffith | TBH I wanted to have some discussions about taskflow at the summit | 16:13 |
| hemna_ | jgriffith, ok cool, same here. | 16:14 |
| jgriffith | I'd like to get a better picture of benefits etc and where it's going and when | 16:14 |
| avishay | hemna: i think for something simple like extend volume we don't need it, but for more complex things it could be a good idea | 16:14 |
| caitlin_56 | summit discussions are good | 16:14 |
| hemna_ | avishay, well I think there could be a case made for even the simple ones. | 16:14 |
| jgriffith | avishay: I think you're right, the trick is that "some here, some there" is a bit awkward | 16:14 |
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| avishay | anyway, something to think about until hong kong | 16:14 |
| DuncanT | I'd certainly like chance to discuss some of the weaknesses of the currently taskflow implementation | 16:14 |
| jgriffith | avishay: yeah, so long as you don't mind the wait | 16:14 |
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| hemna_ | I was kind of hoping that tasklowing most things would lead to safe restart of cinder and all of it's services. | 16:15 |
| jgriffith | Ok, I think we all seem to agree here | 16:15 |
| hemna_ | a la safe shutdown/resume | 16:15 |
| jgriffith | hemna_: I think it will, that's the point | 16:15 |
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| hemna_ | coolio | 16:15 |
| jgriffith | we need to get more educated and help harlow :) | 16:15 |
| hemna_ | yah | 16:15 |
| jgriffith | I'd also like to find out more about community uptake | 16:15 |
| jgriffith | anyway... | 16:15 |
| avishay | yep | 16:15 |
| kmartin | already a sesion for what's next in taskflow: http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/details/117 | 16:15 |
| hemna_ | I already have a long list of my wants for I :P | 16:15 |
| caitlin_56 | I've been working with harlow already. | 16:16 |
| jgriffith | I tihnk we're still going that direction, we just need to organize. We don't want another Brick debacle :) | 16:16 |
| avishay | kmartin: nice! | 16:16 |
| hemna_ | hey now | 16:16 |
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| jgriffith | hemna_: that was directed at ME | 16:16 |
| jgriffith | #topic quota-syncing | 16:16 |
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| jgriffith | DuncanT: you're correct ,that's still hanging out there | 16:17 |
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| jgriffith | DuncanT: I looked at it a bit but quite frankly I ran away screaming | 16:17 |
| DuncanT | jgriffith: It made my head hurt too | 16:17 |
| jgriffith | I'd like to just drop quotas altogether :) | 16:17 |
| bswartz | ha | 16:18 |
| jgriffith | ;) | 16:18 |
| guitarzan | quota syncing? | 16:18 |
| jgriffith | guitarzan: yes | 16:18 |
| avishay | guitarzan: https://bugs.launchpad.net/cinder/+bug/1202896 | 16:18 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1202896 in nova "quota_usage data constantly out of sync" [High,Confirmed] | 16:18 |
| guitarzan | ahh | 16:18 |
| jgriffith | every time I mess with quotas I want to die, but... | 16:19 |
| jgriffith | I also think that there are just fundamental issues with the design | 16:19 |
| caitlin_56 | No quotas are better than quotas enforced at the wrong locations. | 16:19 |
| jgriffith | Might be something worth looking at for I??? | 16:19 |
| jgriffith | Don't all volunteer at once now! | 16:19 |
| eharney | i would seriously consider the suggestion in that bug to replace the usage table w/ a view if possible | 16:20 |
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| guitarzan | that's an interesting idea, but it doesn't really tell you if the resource is being used or not | 16:20 |
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| guitarzan | especially in the error cases | 16:20 |
| DuncanT | I'm not sure that scales with large numbers of volumes and users, unfortunately | 16:20 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: +1 | 16:20 |
| jgriffith | I think scale is the big concern with that | 16:20 |
| caitlin_56 | guitarzan: I agree. We need definitions that deal with real resource usage. Otherwise we're enforcing phony quotas. | 16:21 |
| jgriffith | However I think we could do something creative there | 16:21 |
| jgriffith | DB caching etc | 16:21 |
| jgriffith | anyway... I don't think we're going to solve it here in the next 40 minutes :) | 16:21 |
| DuncanT | I attempted to write a tool that checked the current quota looked valid, and ran it periodically while doing many ops in a tight loop, but couldn't provoke the out-of-sync issue | 16:21 |
| guitarzan | DuncanT: I think you just have to get something in an error state so you can delete it multiple times | 16:22 |
| jgriffith | guitarzan: maybe we should focus on fixing that instead? | 16:22 |
| DuncanT | guitarzan: Ah, ok, that I can provoke | 16:22 |
| jgriffith | go abou tit the other way | 16:22 |
| jgriffith | about | 16:22 |
| guitarzan | jgriffith: I think that's totally fixable | 16:22 |
| jgriffith | did somebody say State Machine (again) | 16:22 |
| DuncanT | guitarzan: Is there a specific bug for that scenario? Sounds like low hanging fruit.... | 16:22 |
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| guitarzan | I wasn't going tos ay taht :) | 16:23 |
| guitarzan | DuncanT: I don't know, I'm just reading the bug | 16:23 |
| jgriffith | :) | 16:23 |
| guitarzan | I have been able to mess up quotas before, negative | 16:23 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: there is not, and it's not as low hanging as one would hope IMO | 16:23 |
| DuncanT | Bugger | 16:23 |
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| jgriffith | There's a number of little *holes* that we can run into | 16:23 |
| jgriffith | anyway... quotas aside those are things that I'd really like to see us work on for I | 16:24 |
| jgriffith | exceptions and exception handling falls in that category | 16:24 |
| DuncanT | Hmmm, I'm wondering if a runtime fault injection framework might make reproducing these issues easier? | 16:24 |
| jungleboyj | jgriffith: +1 | 16:24 |
| avishay | again, state machine | 16:24 |
| jgriffith | having a better picture of what happened back up at the manager | 16:24 |
| jgriffith | avishay: :) | 16:24 |
| jungleboyj | I have seen several issues with deleting. | 16:24 |
| jungleboyj | Also think the issue of exceptions goes along with the taskflow issue. :-) | 16:25 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: perhaps, but you can also just pick random points in a driver and raise some exception | 16:25 |
| jgriffith | that works really well :) | 16:25 |
| thingee | jgriffith: ended up just writing something to correct the quota that we use internally | 16:25 |
| med_ | DuncanT infectedmonkeypatch? | 16:25 |
| jgriffith | thingee: Oh? | 16:25 |
| thingee | jgriffith: that's just a bandaid fix though | 16:25 |
| DuncanT | med: Sounds promising. I'll have a google | 16:25 |
| jgriffith | thingee: might be something to pursue if DH is interested in sharing | 16:25 |
| * med_ made that up so google will likely fail miserably | 16:26 | |
| jgriffith | thingee: if nothing else experience | 16:26 |
| DuncanT | jgriffith: I was pretty much thinking of formalising that approach so we can test it reproducably | 16:26 |
| jgriffith | the *experience* you guys have would be helpful | 16:26 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: Got ya.. if we just implement a State Machine it's covered :) | 16:26 |
| thingee | jgriffith: I think it just wasn't put upstream because it was a bad hack. but yeah we can take ideas from that. | 16:26 |
| jgriffith | Just sayin | 16:26 |
| * jgriffith promises to not say *State Machine* again | 16:27 | |
| jgriffith | thingee: coolness | 16:27 |
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| jgriffith | okie dokie | 16:27 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: what else you got for us? | 16:28 |
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| DuncanT | I'm all out I think | 16:28 |
| * jgriffith keeps putting DuncanT on the spot | 16:28 | |
| DuncanT | Most of my stuff is summit stuff now | 16:28 |
| jgriffith | Ok, I just wanted to catch folks up on the gating disaster over the past few days | 16:28 |
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| jgriffith | #topic gating issues | 16:28 |
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| hemna_ | ugh | 16:28 |
| jgriffith | so I'm sure you all noticed jobs failing | 16:28 |
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| hemna_ | jgriffith, jenkins puked on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/48528/ | 16:29 |
| jungleboyj | wheeee! | 16:29 |
| jgriffith | but not sure how many people kept updated on what was going on | 16:29 |
| jungleboyj | When were jobs failing? | 16:29 |
| jgriffith | There were a number of intermittent faiures that were in various projects | 16:29 |
| dosaboy | was mainly broken neutron gate test no? | 16:29 |
| jgriffith | I also think that some bugs in projects exposed bugs in other projects etc etc | 16:29 |
| DuncanT | hemna: That looks like a straight merge failure, manual rebase should sort it | 16:30 |
| jgriffith | dosaboy: no | 16:30 |
| jgriffith | dosaboy: it was realy a mixed bag | 16:30 |
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| dosaboy | ack | 16:30 |
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| jgriffith | Cinder, neutron, nova, keystone... | 16:30 |
| jungleboyj | Apparently the one in Neutron was one that had been there for some time but it was a timing thing that was suddenly uncovered. | 16:30 |
| jgriffith | jungleboyj: +1 | 16:30 |
| jgriffith | So anyway.... | 16:30 |
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| jgriffith | things are stabilizing a bit, but here's the critical take away for right now | 16:31 |
| jgriffith | the recheck bug xxx is CRITICAL to track this stuff | 16:31 |
| jgriffith | and even though the elastic search recommendation that pops up is sometimes pretty good, other times it's wayyy off | 16:31 |
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| jgriffith | we really need to make sure we take a good look at the recheck bugs and see if something fits, and if not log a new bug | 16:32 |
| jgriffith | if you don't know where to log it against, log it against tempest for now | 16:32 |
| jgriffith | best way to create these is to use the failing tests *name* as the bug title | 16:32 |
| jgriffith | this makes it easier for people that encounter it later ot identify | 16:32 |
| jungleboyj | jgriffith: +1 | 16:32 |
| jgriffith | so like "TestBlahBlah.test_some_stupid_thing Fails" | 16:33 |
| avishay | also, if something is already approved, make sure to do 'reverify bug xxx' and not recheck | 16:33 |
| jgriffith | include a link to the gate/log pages | 16:33 |
| jgriffith | avishay: +1 | 16:33 |
| jungleboyj | Yeah, sorry for the ones I rechecked before I learned that tidbit. | 16:33 |
| avishay | sucks when jenkins finally passes and need to send it through again :) | 16:34 |
| jgriffith | also take a look at this: http://paste.openstack.org/show/47798 | 16:34 |
| jgriffith | particularly the last one | 16:34 |
| jgriffith | Failed 385 times!!! | 16:34 |
| jgriffith | that's crazy stuff | 16:34 |
| med_ | ouch. | 16:34 |
| jgriffith | I wasn't even aware of it until it was at 300 | 16:34 |
| hemna_ | doh | 16:35 |
| jgriffith | BTW that wasn't the worst one :) | 16:35 |
| jgriffith | anyway... | 16:35 |
| jgriffith | I did some queires last night on those and updated when last seen etc | 16:35 |
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| jgriffith | that big one 1226337 pretty much died out a few days ago after the fix I put in (break out of the retry loop) | 16:36 |
| jgriffith | but still hit occasionally | 16:36 |
| jgriffith | It's an issue with tgtd IMO | 16:36 |
| jgriffith | It's not as robust as one might like | 16:36 |
| jgriffith | so the follow up is a recovery attempt to create th backing lun explicitly | 16:37 |
| jgriffith | anyway... | 16:37 |
| jgriffith | the other item: 1223469 | 16:37 |
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| jgriffith | I wanted to point that out because I made a change that does a reovery but still logs the error message in the logs | 16:37 |
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| jgriffith | this seemed like a good idea at the time, but the querie writers grabbed on to that and still querie on it | 16:38 |
| jgriffith | even though it recovers and doesn't fail it still gets dinged in the queries | 16:38 |
| jgriffith | so I think I should change it to warning and chane the wording to throw them off he scent :) | 16:38 |
| jgriffith | but I wanted to go through these to try and keep everybody informed of what was going on | 16:39 |
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| jgriffith | I spent most of the last 3 VERY long days monitoring gates and pouring over logs | 16:39 |
| avishay | cool, thanks for the update and the work! | 16:39 |
| jgriffith | Hoping that if/when we hit this sort of thing again we'll have a whole team working on it :) | 16:40 |
| jungleboyj | avishay: +2 | 16:40 |
| jgriffith | Ok, that's all I have... | 16:40 |
| jgriffith | anybody else? | 16:40 |
| jgriffith | #topic open-discussion | 16:40 |
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| dosaboy | drinks are on the house! | 16:41 |
| jgriffith | going twice.... | 16:41 |
| jgriffith | dosaboy: Your house? Ok, I'm in :) | 16:41 |
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| dosaboy | :) | 16:41 |
| jungleboyj | Yay! | 16:41 |
| jgriffith | going three times... | 16:41 |
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| jgriffith | #endmeeting | 16:41 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Oct 2 16:41:31 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:41 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2013/cinder.2013-10-02-16.02.html | 16:41 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2013/cinder.2013-10-02-16.02.txt | 16:41 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2013/cinder.2013-10-02-16.02.log.html | 16:41 |
| avishay | bye all! | 16:41 |
| jgriffith | 20 minutes to spare!!! | 16:41 |
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| jgriffith | avishay: laters | 16:41 |
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| rushiagr | :) | 16:41 |
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| jungleboyj | hey! We did keep it short! :-) | 16:42 |
| jungleboyj | Later. | 16:42 |
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| med_ | thanks jgriffith | 16:42 |
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| tjones | #startmeeting VMwareAPI | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Oct 2 17:00:15 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is tjones. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'vmwareapi' | 17:00 |
| tjones | hi folks - who's here? | 17:00 |
| dims | howdy tjones | 17:00 |
| tjones | hi dims | 17:00 |
| garyk | hi, i am here | 17:00 |
| tjones | hi gary | 17:00 |
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| garyk | tjones: hi | 17:01 |
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| vuil | hi | 17:01 |
| tjones | ok - i think everyone knows that hartsocks is on paternity leave for a few weeks. so i'll run the meetings for a bit | 17:01 |
| garyk | mazal tov! (aka good luck) | 17:02 |
| tjones | lets get started - i ran the bug report this morning - http://paste.openstack.org/show/47843/ | 17:02 |
| tjones | oops - | 17:02 |
| tjones | #topic bugs | 17:02 |
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| tjones | in terms of high/critical bugs we have | 17:02 |
| tjones | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1227825 | 17:03 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1227825 in openstack-vmwareapi-team "datastore selection bug - fills first disk only" [Critical,In progress] | 17:03 |
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| tjones | which hartsocks was working on. | 17:03 |
| garyk | tjones: that has been deferred to I as it is a feature | 17:03 |
| smurugesan | Hey All, Sabari here | 17:03 |
| tjones | this is the issue where we will only use 1 datastore and then throw exceptions when full. russellb has put it back into rc potenial. can someone take this over? | 17:03 |
| garyk | russellb said that there may be a slight chance of getting review for it but it is doubtful | 17:03 |
| smurugesan | I can take it over | 17:04 |
| tjones | i think it's very close. thanks smurugesan | 17:04 |
| smurugesan | because i have a disk usage bug that can only be fixed after Shawn's patch. | 17:04 |
| smurugesan | let me pull that for record | 17:04 |
| tjones | #action smurugesan take over  https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1227825 | 17:04 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1227825 in openstack-vmwareapi-team "datastore selection bug - fills first disk only" [Critical,In progress] | 17:04 |
| tjones | then we have 2 high/medium that need revision | 17:04 |
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| tjones | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1184807 | 17:05 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1184807 in openstack-vmwareapi-team "Snapshot failure with VMwareVCDriver" [High,Fix committed] | 17:05 |
| smurugesan | https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1220459 will piggy back on 1227825's fix | 17:05 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1220459 in nova "VMware Driver reports incorrect disk usage" [High,Confirmed] | 17:05 |
| tjones | oops - looks like the script has a bug. that one is already committed | 17:05 |
| garyk | tjones: that has been approved (it may be in the script as it is a grizzly backport) | 17:05 |
| tjones | ah ok. lets look at the other one #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1213269 | 17:06 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1213269 in openstack-vmwareapi-team "_check_if_folder_file_exists only checks for metadata file" [High,In progress] | 17:06 |
| tjones | hee hee - that one is mine. i'll get on it today | 17:06 |
| tjones | the other 2 need review - in fact there are quite a few needing +1 | 17:07 |
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| smurugesan | I will be doing some reviews today, I will take a look at them. | 17:07 |
| tjones | by "quite a few" i actually mean 2 high prio and 6 low. lets focus on the critical/high | 17:07 |
| tjones | any other bugs needing discussion? | 17:07 |
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| tjones | *listens* | 17:08 |
| garyk | tjones: https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1225002 | 17:08 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1225002 in nova "VMware: no VM connectivity when opaque network does not match bridge id" [Medium,In progress] | 17:08 |
| garyk | It also needs to be backported to grizzly. it has been around for quite a while now and we need to escalate to core reviewers | 17:09 |
| smurugesan | Other bugs, I am working on https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1193980 - should push a patch today. It's a regression over Grizzly. | 17:09 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1193980 in nova "Cinder Volumes "unable to find iscsi target" for VMware instances" [High,Confirmed] | 17:10 |
| tjones | is it in review? | 17:10 |
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| tjones | i don't see the link in the bug | 17:10 |
| garyk | it has been in review since august - give me a sec | 17:10 |
| garyk | tjohttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/41977/ | 17:10 |
| garyk | tjones: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/41977/ | 17:10 |
| tjones | wow - yes it's very ready for core | 17:11 |
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| tjones | funny no link in the bug. ok that one is marked need core review in the report. | 17:12 |
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| garyk | tjones: https://code.launchpad.net/bugs/1197041 | 17:12 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1197041 in nova "nova compute crashes if you do not have any hosts in your cluster" [Medium,In progress] | 17:12 |
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| smurugesan | for some reviews, the bug is not getting updated. It happened with me as well. | 17:12 |
| tjones | gark: yes that one is a pain to debug. i have hit it and other users have reported it with VOVA. | 17:13 |
| tjones | smurugesan: that iscsi - i'll add to the list | 17:13 |
| tjones | any other bugs? | 17:13 |
| garyk | i do not know why russellb removed this form the rc candidate. i'll try and check with him later | 17:13 |
| smurugesan | thanks! | 17:13 |
| garyk | tjones: https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1228847 | 17:14 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1228847 in nova "VMware: VimException: Exception in __deepcopy__ Method not found" [Medium,In progress] | 17:14 |
| tjones | smurugesan: russellb has added havana-rc-potential to that one | 17:14 |
| garyk | this is really problematic | 17:14 |
| tjones | yes it is hitting our CI guys | 17:14 |
| tjones | do you have root cause on it? | 17:14 |
| garyk | if there is a an exception in the driver - for example nova fixed ips are all used up, then the actual exception is corrupted | 17:15 |
| garyk | this one needs to be moved to high | 17:15 |
| tjones | i don't believe i have the ability to do so. But we can ping russellb | 17:15 |
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| garyk | i think that anyone who is part of the nova bugs team can (you just need to join the group) | 17:16 |
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| tjones | oh ok - i'll do that :-D | 17:16 |
| garyk | russellb moved it from high to medium (just saw this now). i do not agree with his assesment. it makes troubleshooting practically impossible | 17:16 |
| tjones | #action set https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1228847 to high prio | 17:16 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1228847 in nova "VMware: VimException: Exception in __deepcopy__ Method not found" [Medium,In progress] | 17:16 |
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| tjones | #action target https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1193980Â for rc | 17:17 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1193980 in nova "Cinder Volumes "unable to find iscsi target" for VMware instances" [High,Confirmed] | 17:17 |
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| tjones | any other bug issues besides triage? | 17:17 |
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| tjones | #topic bug triage | 17:18 |
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| tjones | ok here' s the list : http://goo.gl/pTcDG | 17:18 |
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| tjones | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1232348 | 17:19 |
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| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1232348 in nova "VMware: vmdk converted via qemu-img may not boot as SCSI disk" [High,New] | 17:19 |
| vuil | i filed this. Can someone confirm this well known issue. | 17:19 |
| smurugesan | vuil is working on couple of these bugs. | 17:19 |
| smurugesan | oh there he is | 17:19 |
| smurugesan | :) | 17:19 |
| vuil | sorry out for a couple minutes | 17:20 |
| vuil | I am testing a fix. Hopefully out today. | 17:20 |
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| tjones | ok next is #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1194076 | 17:20 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1194076 in nova "current_workload in nova hypervisor-show not recover after nova suspend/resume" [Medium,Incomplete] | 17:20 |
| tjones | gark it looks like you were discussing that with the reporter. do you think user error? | 17:21 |
| garyk | i was unable to reproduce this | 17:21 |
| tjones | ok lets leave that one | 17:21 |
| tjones | next is #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1226543 | 17:22 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1226543 in nova "VMware: attaching a volume to the VM failed" [Medium,Incomplete] | 17:22 |
| tjones | no action on this after garyk | 17:22 |
| tjones | commented. | 17:22 |
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| tjones | last we have the results of our test team doing stress tests #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1230047 | 17:23 |
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| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1230047 in nova "VMware: spawning large amounts of VMs sometimes causes errors" [Undecided,New] | 17:23 |
| tjones | rhsu was looking into the nfs server to see if that was the issue. did anyone else look at this? | 17:24 |
| garyk | tjones: this is a tough one. initially we thought it was https://code.launchpad.net/bugs/1228847 | 17:24 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1228847 in nova "VMware: VimException: Exception in __deepcopy__ Method not found" [Medium,In progress] | 17:24 |
| garyk | after we added the patch that i have fixed for that problem we saw the real exception and it was that the VC was return an exception that a vmdk was not found | 17:25 |
| garyk | when ryan tried on another setup he was unable to reproduce | 17:25 |
| garyk | i was also unable to reproduce | 17:25 |
| garyk | we need to try and reproduce this | 17:25 |
| tjones | hum - the other setup was one in the BLR lab - so that is why he was thinking it was the NFS server somehow | 17:25 |
| tjones | ok let me talk with rhsu and see what the next steps are on this. | 17:26 |
| tjones | #action talk to the test team about repo on https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1230047 | 17:26 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1230047 in nova "VMware: spawning large amounts of VMs sometimes causes errors" [Undecided,New] | 17:26 |
| tjones | any other issues before we go to open discussion? | 17:26 |
| garyk | tjones: i think that we need to talk about stable grizzly | 17:27 |
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| tjones | #topic open discussion | 17:27 |
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| garyk | tjones: we should also go over documentation | 17:27 |
| tjones | ok lets talk about that | 17:27 |
| tjones | we have until 10/10 to get backports in correct? | 17:27 |
| garyk | ok. regarding the stable grizzly, the feature freeze is the 10th of the month | 17:27 |
| garyk | i think that the relase will be a few days later (due to gating problems over the last few days and stable gate is broken) | 17:28 |
| garyk | we need to make sure that we have all of our critical and high bugs backported and tested hopefully by them | 17:28 |
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| garyk | it would be nice if we can make this a formal part of these meetings as the stable branch is very importnat for all | 17:28 |
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| tjones | #action add grizzly backports to the meeting agenda | 17:29 |
| garyk | tjones: thanks | 17:29 |
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| tjones | ok we have 5 patches that gary has called out as needing backport | 17:29 |
| garyk | regarding documentation i saw https://review.openstack.org/#/c/48859/ (and had a comment). can someone else please take a look | 17:29 |
| vuil | tjones: where is the list of bugs you showed yesterday that had grizzly status | 17:29 |
| tjones | http://partnerweb.vmware.com/programs/vmdkimage/customer_bugs.html | 17:30 |
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| tjones | garyk: i have that on my list to review today | 17:31 |
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| garyk | tjones: thanks! | 17:31 |
| vuil | will take a look as well | 17:32 |
| garyk | thanks | 17:32 |
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| tjones | #action bug owners review http://partnerweb.vmware.com/programs/vmdkimage/customer_bugs.html and backport their bugs if they have grizzly-backport-potential tags | 17:32 |
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| tjones | off the top of my head - vui - you have 2, sabari you have 2, i have 1 | 17:33 |
| vuil | was going to ask what the procedure is. | 17:33 |
| smurugesan | sure | 17:33 |
| vuil | sure. | 17:33 |
| tjones | literally off the top of my head :-) so please check. | 17:33 |
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| garyk | i think that i have done one of vui's (and was planning on doing a few others) | 17:34 |
| vuil | I saw that. Thanks. | 17:34 |
| tjones | vuil - i'll paste the email from garyk on pastebin | 17:34 |
| garyk | tjones: thanks | 17:34 |
| tjones | here you go - http://paste.openstack.org/show/47845/ | 17:34 |
| russellb | guys, please don't target new stuff to rc1 | 17:35 |
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| russellb | it's being released today, just waiting on the last change to go through the gate | 17:35 |
| tjones | hey russellb | 17:35 |
| vuil | Probably can't assume folks not at this meeting get to the minutes in time to deal with their backports, so best we all take all pass through that list. | 17:35 |
| garyk | russellb: so will these bugs be targeted for rc2? | 17:36 |
| russellb | only if we determine that they qualify as release blockers | 17:36 |
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| russellb | none of these really seem to be, but happy to evaluate if you think something qualifies | 17:37 |
| garyk | ok, understood, the reason we added them to the rc1 list is that we feel they are release blockers | 17:37 |
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| garyk | for example if there is an exception in the driver we may be unable to trouble shoot as an invalid stack is logged | 17:37 |
| russellb | they're not things that block everyone, are they? | 17:37 |
| tjones | for example - one is a grizzly regression | 17:37 |
| garyk | they block everyone using the vmware drivers | 17:37 |
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| russellb | you have an interesting definition of block, then | 17:38 |
| garyk | can you please clarify | 17:38 |
| garyk | my take is that if the service crashes for some reason or another then that is a blocking issue | 17:38 |
| russellb | at this point, block needs to be something that can't be worked around, and affects major functionality | 17:38 |
| russellb | would you like to go 1 by 1? | 17:38 |
| garyk | sure. | 17:39 |
| garyk | i think that there are 2 serious bugs: | 17:39 |
| garyk | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/41977/ | 17:39 |
| russellb | ok on that one, is this a configuration error basically? | 17:39 |
| russellb | how do you hit the problem? | 17:39 |
| garyk | this may result in a case where there is no network connectvity with the vm | 17:39 |
| garyk | the problem happens when the esx host does not have a matching opaque network. | 17:40 |
| russellb | so, a setup error? | 17:40 |
| garyk | it can happen after a reboot of the host | 17:40 |
| garyk | if a new host is added to a cluster then vm's deployed on that host may not have network connectivty | 17:41 |
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| russellb | what causes it to happen? | 17:41 |
| garyk | if the host goes into maintenace mode and then say is rebooted (power outage for example) | 17:42 |
| garyk | it is kind of like the ovs having no rules that match traffic | 17:42 |
| garyk | my bad is that i did not convey this information on the bug (was away on vacation…) | 17:43 |
| garyk | but that is not an axscuse | 17:44 |
| russellb | to be honest, i still don't understand what you're saying | 17:44 |
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| russellb | can you write up on the bug in more detail what the problem is, how it occurs, and make a point to demonstrate that it's a bug with no workaround? | 17:44 |
| garyk | sure, i'll do that | 17:45 |
| tjones | #action gark: update https://review.openstack.org/#/c/41977/ with more detail | 17:45 |
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| tjones | #undo | 17:45 |
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| garyk | it is like someone reboots a host with libvirt and after the reboot that are unable to run traffic to any vms on that host | 17:45 |
| tjones | irc://chat.freenode.net:6667/#action garyk: update https://review.openstack.org/#/c/41977/ with more detail | 17:45 |
| russellb | garyk: i get the end result, but not the steps that lead up to putting the host in that situation | 17:46 |
| garyk | the second issue is https://code.launchpad.net/bugs/1228847 | 17:46 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1228847 in nova "VMware: VimException: Exception in __deepcopy__ Method not found" [Medium,In progress] | 17:46 |
| garyk | ok | 17:46 |
| russellb | i saw you saying that one helps debugging | 17:46 |
| russellb | but it's not preventing functionality from working for users | 17:46 |
| russellb | so i don't consider that a blocker | 17:46 |
| russellb | keep in mind that this far into the RC period, the bar has to be *really* high, or we'll never release | 17:47 |
| garyk | ok. | 17:47 |
| garyk | the previous bug is really high and this one can be defered | 17:47 |
| garyk | deferred (i think my spelling is a mess) | 17:47 |
| russellb | k, ping me when you have a more detailed writeup on the bug ready, and hopefully i'll see what you see then | 17:48 |
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| garyk | ok, thanks | 17:48 |
| tjones | ok one more - this is a reggression from grizzly | 17:49 |
| tjones | https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1193980Â | 17:49 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1193980 in nova "Cinder Volumes "unable to find iscsi target" for VMware instances" [High,Confirmed] | 17:49 |
| russellb | no patch? | 17:50 |
| russellb | and it's tagged grizzly-backport-potential? | 17:50 |
| russellb | so does that mean it exists in grizzly as well? | 17:50 |
| tjones | we've been having some issues with bugs not showing they are in review. sabari - can you comment on this one? | 17:50 |
| russellb | even if it doesn't happen automatically, you should update it manually :-) | 17:51 |
| tjones | um - if it's marked for grizzly i may have mixed it up with another :-D i'll check on it | 17:51 |
| russellb | k | 17:51 |
| tjones | anything else for russellb folks? we are getting close to tiem | 17:52 |
| tjones | time | 17:52 |
| russellb | looks like the grizzly tag was added when the bug was filed | 17:52 |
| garyk | a hug when i start to cry :) | 17:52 |
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| tjones | :-D | 17:52 |
| russellb | so, clarify if it's a regression from grizzly to havana | 17:52 |
| tjones | ok will do | 17:52 |
| russellb | and update the bug with the review, and set to In Progress, if there's a patch up | 17:52 |
| russellb | and ping me after those updates | 17:53 |
| tjones | #action follow up on https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1193980 | 17:53 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1193980 in nova "Cinder Volumes "unable to find iscsi target" for VMware instances" [High,Confirmed] | 17:53 |
| garyk | russellb: thanks for the time. much appreciated | 17:53 |
| russellb | yep, sorry to be tough, just have to protect the release timeline | 17:53 |
| tjones | russellb: thanks! no worries - this is the *fun* part | 17:53 |
| russellb | yup | 17:54 |
| tjones | anything else folks? | 17:54 |
| tjones | going once…. | 17:54 |
| tjones | thanks for attending! see you next week | 17:55 |
| tjones | #endmeeting | 17:55 |
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| grapsus | hello | 18:52 |
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| notmyname | anyone here for the swift meeting? | 19:10 |
| peluse | hello! | 19:10 |
| sweepthelegjohnn | here | 19:10 |
| portante | o/ | 19:10 |
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| notmyname | yay lag | 19:11 |
| notmyname | sorry for the delay. I'm on a horrible verizon wifi connection right now | 19:11 |
| notmyname | #startmeeting | 19:11 |
| openstack | notmyname: Error: A meeting name is required, e.g., '#startmeeting Marketing Committee' | 19:11 |
| notmyname | #startmeeting swift | 19:11 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Oct 2 19:11:56 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is notmyname. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:11 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:11 |
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| grapsus | here for the meeting | 19:12 |
| notmyname | again, sorry for the delay. seems that I'm having wifi problems | 19:12 |
| portante | shall we postpone? | 19:12 |
| peluse | here for the free beer | 19:12 |
| notmyname | topics we need to address this week include the status of the havana release (first) | 19:13 |
| notmyname | portante: I'd like to at least get a status update on the patches | 19:13 |
| portante | okay | 19:13 |
| notmyname | did I see the memcache patch merge earlier today? | 19:13 |
| portante | I think it is in the queue, pool one, right? | 19:13 |
| notmyname | ya, the pool one | 19:14 |
| portante | in the zuul queue, behind like 20 other patches | 19:14 |
| notmyname | the other one I'm curious about is the dropped connection one by torgomatic | 19:14 |
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| notmyname | portante: kk, so by tormorrow :-) | 19:15 |
| clayg | torgomatic: the fix he came up with didn't really cut the mustard - he's posted a comment on it so I think he's gunna try again | 19:15 |
| notmyname | ok | 19:15 |
| notmyname | portante: zaitcev: any progress on reviews for your respective refactorings? | 19:16 |
| portante | a few folks have reviewed them, but not much movement | 19:16 |
| zaitcev | notmyname: Thanks for reviewing the trickies one for me, but I failed to drum up support. | 19:16 |
| notmyname | bah. sorry zaitcev | 19:17 |
| notmyname | any other outstanding patches that need to be addressed? | 19:17 |
| grapsus | I'm new to this project | 19:17 |
| notmyname | grapsus: welcome! | 19:18 |
| Adri2000 | hi | 19:18 |
| notmyname | grapsus: right now we're wrapping up the release for Swift's contribution to havana | 19:18 |
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| grapsus | have you finished designing the API between EC codecs and swift-ec ? | 19:18 |
| portante | notmyname: I believe we need to at least address the ondisk changes | 19:18 |
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| portante | clayg: have you considered that further? | 19:18 |
| peluse | grapsus: still WIP, do you have info on the Trello board where we discuss? | 19:19 |
| notmyname | portante: what do you mean by "Address" | 19:19 |
| grapsus | peluse: yep I read it | 19:19 |
| peluse | grapsus: that's the latest status, still open fpor mods. We plan to discuss at hackathon as well | 19:19 |
| grapsus | seems like this PyEClib isn't public | 19:19 |
| notmyname | sweepthelegjohnn: ^ | 19:19 |
| sweepthelegjohnn | grapsus: i'll give you access | 19:20 |
| clayg | I've mostly been looking at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/46957/ | 19:20 |
| clayg | portante: can you confirm that's top the tree for now? | 19:20 |
| clayg | oh sorry, I think there's two conversations going on | 19:20 |
| grapsus | peluse: I work on EC with Adri2000 I believe he already spoke to you | 19:20 |
| peluse | clayg: my bad, sorry | 19:20 |
| Adri2000 | I spoke with notmyname actually. maybe finish the patches discussion and move on to EC afterwards? | 19:20 |
| portante | clayg: I think I need to rebase, but not much difference from top-of-tree | 19:20 |
| peluse | grapsus: lets let the topic of existing patches finish first | 19:21 |
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| grapsus | peluse: I have a very simple implementation of RS in pure python (~ 200 lines + tests), I wrote to be sure about the API | 19:21 |
| grapsus | peluse: ok, sorry | 19:21 |
| clayg | portante: ok, i'll keep on that one then | 19:22 |
| * clayg is done | 19:22 | |
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| notmyname | clayg: portante: thanks | 19:22 |
| notmyname | what else on the topic of patches for havana? | 19:23 |
| portante | clayg: regarding ondisk changes that is based on | 19:23 |
| creiht | yeah it is still a bit back in the queue | 19:23 |
| creiht | sorry I'm late :) | 19:23 |
| portante | don't we want to fix the ondisk changes so that hash_path is put back to utils? | 19:24 |
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| notmyname | portante: sounds reasonable, but I want to look at it again. clayg, you had thoughts on this, right? | 19:24 |
| portante | clayg, notmyname: my concern is that we release havana with a code move we don't really want | 19:25 |
| notmyname | portante: right | 19:26 |
| clayg | I think i had a different perspective on why you want an ondisk module, my initial thoughts made it pretty clean that things like hash_path and normalize_timestamp that are consumed by things that are NOT ondisk should not be in the ondisk module | 19:26 |
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| portante | mea culpa, after reviewing that change more thoroughly, I made a mistake moving hash_path, though I still believe normalieze_timestamp should be in ondisk | 19:26 |
| clayg | another way to look at is to mark everything that is currently imported/used by the current in tree implementation as "ondisk" | 19:26 |
| clayg | but I don't know when that stops... cause like readconf, half of utils... | 19:27 |
| zaitcev | I tried to talk Peter to give ondisk a rest for a moment and just focus on getting the API in. This of course means 1) replicators use old API (but GlusterFS not using replicators), 2) no .setup method. On the upside, we actually deliver what we promised. And it's not some crap code cooked-up in a hurry to meat a deadline, just the most useful part of it in. | 19:27 |
| portante | that is why I believe hash_path should go back to utils where it is shared and has a unit tests to verify it does not change | 19:27 |
| zaitcev | It's nicer with ondisk, no doubt. | 19:28 |
| clayg | anyway I think it's ugly but I don't have the chutzpah to carry a big "change the import path of a function just 'cause" patch through - so I shouldn't be whining about it | 19:28 |
| notmyname | clayg: "it" == the normalize_timestamp location? | 19:29 |
| portante | clayg: it seems we both arrived at a good case for hash_path NOT being in ondisk, so it seems worth it to put it back | 19:29 |
| clayg | portante: maybe, it's not worth it to me, normailize_timestamp is the one where I acctually have code that sits outside of swift that got broke by the change | 19:29 |
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| clayg | like you can't talk directly to backend servers without importing from... ondisk!? | 19:30 |
| clayg | i mean you could re-implement it | 19:30 |
| portante | clayg: today that is true, because the backend servers rely on that for its ondisk format | 19:30 |
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| zaitcev | clayg: We didn't realize there was such code. I grepped through my out-of-tree stuffs, ghole grepped through his, surprisingly normalize_timestamp wasn't used anywhere. | 19:31 |
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| gholt | Heheh ghole | 19:31 |
| portante | we'd have to change the backend code to use a different method and not share it | 19:31 |
| gholt | I've been called worse; wait, maybe I haven't. | 19:31 |
| zaitcev | ouch, sorry | 19:31 |
| dfg | not twice. by the same person that is | 19:31 |
| gholt | :) | 19:31 |
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| creiht | lol | 19:31 |
| clayg | it's fine, I'm cool with it... | 19:31 |
| clayg | I *really* not going to be able to carry a patch to relocate it thought - so I'm not going to whine about it | 19:32 |
| gholt | The one use I found for normalize_timestamp turned out to be an unused import. So I was whining needlessly | 19:32 |
| clayg | lol | 19:32 |
| notmyname | portante: clayg: it seems that it's being used for 2 different things. so maybe it shoudl be 2 different functions (and that might be a bad idea too) | 19:32 |
| portante | I don't mind carrying that patch if folks want it | 19:32 |
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| portante | this is the kind of small thing that we might regret not being satisfied with before the release | 19:33 |
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| davidhadas | hi | 19:33 |
| portante | davidhaddas | 19:33 |
| portante | hello | 19:33 |
| portante | -d | 19:33 |
| zaitcev | Yay I'm not alone with nick typos | 19:34 |
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| notmyname | I'd like to get to an EC status update. are we good with what needs to be done for havana patches? | 19:34 |
| portante | i'll propose the hash_path restoration and you guys can vote on it that way, is that fair? | 19:35 |
| notmyname | sounds good | 19:35 |
| portante | one last thing | 19:35 |
| portante | regarding the DiskFile API changes as a whole, would it make it easier to review if I also posted a unified combined patch set? | 19:36 |
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| portante | Right now it is broken out into four | 19:36 |
| * notmyname finds it useful to see the end result | 19:36 | |
| notmyname | but I can go either way | 19:36 |
| peluse | I would appreciate that - have not been active in that effort and the size/complexity for a newb is one of the resaons why | 19:36 |
| zaitcev | maybe like https://github.com/portante/swift/commits/acctcont-api only what you say, and then we can clone one, clone two, diff -urpN -X dontdiff one two | 19:37 |
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| zaitcev | or I am the last guy remaining in git age who does things like that | 19:37 |
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| notmyname | portante: I think you have the unified set (or can make it easitly). go ahead and put it up, perhaps marked as WIP | 19:38 |
| portante | k done | 19:38 |
| notmyname | portante: thanks | 19:39 |
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| portante | #action portante unified patch set? | 19:39 |
| notmyname | #action portante unified patch set | 19:39 |
| notmyname | ok, EC status update | 19:39 |
| notmyname | peluse: sweepthelegjohnn: grapsus | 19:39 |
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| peluse | policies: freshly rebased and proxyu/container code is ready for review | 19:39 |
| sweepthelegjohnn | PyECLib is functional and has a bunch of tests | 19:39 |
| peluse | EC Lb API: still being defined/discussed on Trello, plan to talk at hackathon more | 19:40 |
| sweepthelegjohnn | shrink-wrapping for v0.1 release | 19:40 |
| notmyname | sweepthelegjohnn: when are you opening it? (I thought you already had) | 19:40 |
| peluse | grapsus: if you have a lib it would be great if you can get in on the Trello discussion and make sure the current state meets your requirements and if not make some suggestions | 19:40 |
| notmyname | peluse: grapsus +1 | 19:40 |
| sweepthelegjohnn | i can, i not am giving out access until a few i's are dotted | 19:41 |
| grapsus | peluse: yep I don't have access to my work computer, I can post my API and code tomorrow | 19:41 |
| sweepthelegjohnn | grapsus: what do you have? | 19:41 |
| sweepthelegjohnn | grapsus: reed-solomon or something else? | 19:41 |
| grapsus | RS EC lib in pure python, it's very compact (< 200 lines of python), slow, but it works | 19:41 |
| sweepthelegjohnn | oh | 19:41 |
| grapsus | I wrote to be sure about the API | 19:42 |
| peluse | cool, so I suspect between what sweepthelegjohnn has and what Intel is doing we should have a pretty well ironed out API by end of this month, Kevin? (I can't keep typing that nick :)) | 19:42 |
| sweepthelegjohnn | peluse: yes. | 19:42 |
| sweepthelegjohnn | in fact, i think the api is good to go | 19:42 |
| notmyname | sounds great :-) | 19:42 |
| sweepthelegjohnn | a few more things, if you guys don't mind | 19:42 |
| Adri2000 | where can we find the state of the current proposed API? in PyECLib? | 19:42 |
| peluse | I think so too, but wnated to reserve that strong of a statement until after hackathon | 19:42 |
| notmyname | sweepthelegjohnn: go for it | 19:43 |
| sweepthelegjohnn | ok | 19:43 |
| grapsus | it's 100% test covered and the API is documented, I can post it, but we'd like to see your API too to see if we haven't forget anything | 19:43 |
| sweepthelegjohnn | so, i talked with jim plank this week and will apparently be adding our GF-Complete (really fast galois field stuff) to Jerasure 2.0 | 19:43 |
| peluse | awesome! | 19:43 |
| sweepthelegjohnn | i will inciorporate that into v1.0 of PyECLib | 19:43 |
| sweepthelegjohnn | we think that integrating our GF work into Jerasure should be pretty easy | 19:44 |
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| peluse | wrt grapsus's question: Kevin is the latest on Trello up to date with your last ocnversations with Tushar? If not maybe you can post a "latest" just to level set | 19:44 |
| sweepthelegjohnn | yes | 19:44 |
| gholt | I'd really love for the multi-ring stuff to land on master. Is there a chance that could move there instead of the ec branch? | 19:44 |
| sweepthelegjohnn | peluse: yeah, i made the updates to PyECLib | 19:45 |
| peluse | gholt: man I would love that too! | 19:45 |
| sweepthelegjohnn | peluse: the only comment was specifying word size in the init function | 19:45 |
| torgomatic | gholt: the plan is for multi-ring to get finished, then merge ec -> master, then do erasure-code stuff, then merge again | 19:45 |
| torgomatic | IIRC | 19:45 |
| gholt | Ah okay | 19:45 |
| notmyname | gholt: peluse: ya, let's figure out how that can happen (not right now while I have 7 second ping times) | 19:45 |
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| peluse | BTW: the policy stuff (multi-ring) is in multiple patch sets, some of which aren't done yet | 19:46 |
| torgomatic | there's still a few more commits, like what to do if two diff. replicas of a container have different policies *and* objects in them | 19:46 |
| sweepthelegjohnn | peluse: so the init only takes (k, m, type)… E.g., (12, 2, "rs_vand") | 19:46 |
| notmyname | I had hoped that the ec branch would help isolate some changes, but I think the jury is out on the effectiveness of it | 19:46 |
| peluse | the one up there now (the big one) covers the basic plumbing in proxy and container. there's still some obj module work and replicator work as well, not rnearly as big though | 19:46 |
| torgomatic | notmyname: let's judge effectiveness when we merge back into master the first time | 19:46 |
| notmyname | torgomatic: sounds good | 19:46 |
| gholt | Yessir, maybe a hackathon thing | 19:46 |
| notmyname | that would be a perfect time :-) | 19:47 |
| sweepthelegjohnn | grapsus: what is your bitbucket account name? | 19:47 |
| peluse | agree w/that! (judge effectiveness later) | 19:47 |
| grapsus | sweepthelegjohnn: grapsus | 19:47 |
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| peluse | Note however that I have been rebasing the policy patch each week after notmyname merges from master so its up to date | 19:47 |
| grapsus | I have another question about EC, it is about server-side chunking | 19:47 |
| peluse | shoot | 19:47 |
| sweepthelegjohnn | grapsus: invite sent | 19:48 |
| grapsus | what's your plan for that ? let's say I send a 2 Go file, will you buffer it entirely before calling EC ? | 19:48 |
| notmyname | grapsus: no. EC each chunk as its read off the wire | 19:49 |
| Adri2000 | so chunking is done server side? this is not implemented yet, is it? | 19:49 |
| dfg | notmyname: is there some list somewhere about subjects we want talked about a the hackathon? or do we figure it out when we get there? | 19:49 |
| grapsus | sweepthelegjohnn: excellent, thank you ! I'm looking at the API, I will send mine tomorrow, but looks very similar | 19:49 |
| zaitcev | BTW, I they fixed fedora's openoffice so I was able toread the EC PPT preso, it explained a lot | 19:49 |
| notmyname | dfg: somewhat in person, but I'm also working on a list that I'll publish | 19:50 |
| zaitcev | I just wish you guys weren't such... well... Just export it ot PDF next time or something. | 19:50 |
| dfg | notmyname: ok- cause I have one. | 19:50 |
| sweepthelegjohnn | grapsus: please run the tests in the README and let me know if everything works and the performance | 19:50 |
| dfg | zaitcev: what EC PPT preso? | 19:50 |
| grapsus | notmyname: Adri2000: so where will be this server chunk size determined and how ? | 19:50 |
| notmyname | dfg: cool, make a wiki page on the openstack wiki. I'll use tat | 19:50 |
| zaitcev | J1-erasureCode.pptx | 19:51 |
| zaitcev | waaait a moment | 19:51 |
| grapsus | sweepthelegjohnn: ok, I'll do, but if you're using 128 bit registers, perfs should be stellar compared to my POC with python ints | 19:51 |
| notmyname | ok, moving on from low-level EC implementation details... :-) | 19:52 |
| sweepthelegjohnn | even without that, i can get ~1 GB/s in some cases | 19:52 |
| notmyname | what else do we need to discuss in here in the next 3 minutes? | 19:52 |
| peluse | that went by fast | 19:52 |
| portante | is the priority list of reviews still up to date? | 19:52 |
| portante | is that working? | 19:52 |
| notmyname | portante: I believe it's up to date and works for me. I'd like other feedback too | 19:53 |
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| notmyname | I have another meeting in a few minutes and have to run. any last minute things? | 19:54 |
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| peluse | portante: where is the priority list of reviews available at? | 19:55 |
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| zaitcev | I'm going to look at the timestamp comparison, since I screwed up the mempool so well | 19:55 |
| portante | sec | 19:55 |
| notmyname | peluse: topic in the -swift channel | 19:55 |
| zaitcev | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Swift/PriorityReviews | 19:55 |
| portante | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Swift/PriorityReviews | 19:55 |
| peluse | thanks guys! | 19:55 |
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| portante | was the irc topic at one point | 19:55 |
| torgomatic | still is | 19:55 |
| portante | of #openstack-swift, that is | 19:56 |
| notmyname | thanks everyone for attending and participating today. we're out of time. | 19:56 |
| notmyname | #endmeeting | 19:56 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Oct 2 19:56:31 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:56 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2013/swift.2013-10-02-19.11.html | 19:56 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2013/swift.2013-10-02-19.11.txt | 19:56 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2013/swift.2013-10-02-19.11.log.html | 19:56 |
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| Adri2000 | thanks. very interesting discussion about EC | 19:56 |
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| glange | how far along is EC development? | 19:57 |
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| dfg | glange: everybody's gone | 19:58 |
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| shardy | #startmeeting heat | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Oct 2 20:00:42 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is shardy. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'heat' | 20:00 |
| shardy | #topic rollcall | 20:00 |
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| asalkeld | o/ | 20:00 |
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| stevebaker | \o | 20:00 |
| shardy | Hi all, who's around? | 20:01 |
| sdake_ | o/ | 20:01 |
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| kebray | o/ | 20:01 |
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| shardy | zaneb, jpeeler, therve, SpamapS? | 20:01 |
| jpeeler | hey i'm here | 20:01 |
| adrian_otto | hi | 20:01 |
| MikeSpreitzer | I'm here too | 20:02 |
| shardy | Ok, let's get started, not much on the agenda today, maybe we can have a short meeting ;) | 20:02 |
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| SpamapS | shardy: sick today, barely here | 20:02 |
| shardy | #topic Review last week's actions | 20:02 |
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| shardy | Actually I don't think there were any: | 20:02 |
| sdake_ | nope | 20:02 |
| shardy | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/HeatAgenda | 20:02 |
| shardy | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2013/heat.2013-09-25-20.00.html | 20:03 |
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| gokrokve | Hi | 20:03 |
| randallburt | hello | 20:03 |
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| tspatzier | Hi | 20:03 |
| sdake_ | yo | 20:03 |
| shardy | #topic RC1 status | 20:03 |
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| shardy | So, branching for RC1 is imminent: | 20:04 |
| shardy | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/49384/ | 20:04 |
| stevebaker | yay! | 20:04 |
| sdake_ | did asalkeld have a chance this morning to look at that last lingering issue? | 20:04 |
| asalkeld | I woke up 7 minutes ago | 20:04 |
| sdake_ | morning :) | 20:04 |
| asalkeld | :-) | 20:04 |
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| stevebaker | shardy: should we be reviewing that change? | 20:05 |
| sdake_ | asalkeld there is sa template attached to that bug now | 20:05 |
| asalkeld | ok | 20:05 |
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| shardy | stevebaker: No, I just acked it since we're ready to branch, and it's a one line change bumping the version | 20:05 |
| shardy | #link https://launchpad.net/heat/+milestone/havana-rc1 | 20:06 |
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| shardy | So master will be open for Icehouse after than lands | 20:06 |
| shardy | however it would be really great if we can focus some effort on testing the Havana branch (ie RC1) over the next few days | 20:06 |
| shardy | as we have ~2weeks to catch any remaining issues which may require an RC2 | 20:07 |
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| asalkeld | sdake_ what is the bug with the attachment? | 20:07 |
| sdake_ | i dont have the bug # handy | 20:07 |
| asalkeld | ok, no worries | 20:07 |
| zaneb | I'm awake | 20:07 |
| stevebaker | so fixes land in master and get backported to the release branch? | 20:07 |
| zaneb | sorry, y'all | 20:07 |
| shardy | sdake_: So asalkeld fixed bug #1233882, but the Ref issues may or may not be an issue, we haven't yet confirmed | 20:08 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1233882 in heat "neutron resources don't have the "show" attribute as used in the example templates" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1233882 | 20:08 |
| shardy | If we need to, we'll fix them and do an RC2 | 20:08 |
| sdake_ | sounds good | 20:08 |
| shardy | Any other comments or questions re the Havana release? | 20:09 |
| shardy | really, please everyone do test it, as we're still finding pretty significant issues.. | 20:09 |
| asalkeld | shardy, the f17 LB? | 20:09 |
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| asalkeld | I have a local f19 one | 20:10 |
| asalkeld | but you wanted to go to f18? | 20:10 |
| shardy | asalkeld: Yeah, we should bump that to F18/19 | 20:10 |
| asalkeld | I'll make a bug for that | 20:10 |
| shardy | asalkeld: I don't mind, anything that works and isn't EOL is OK with me | 20:10 |
| shardy | let's fix it in master after the branch and we can consider backporting | 20:10 |
| shardy | asalkeld: Can we reimplement the LB as a provider template now, ie during Icehouse? | 20:11 |
| stevebaker | has anyone tried the neutron loadbalancer? | 20:11 |
| shardy | seems like we probably can | 20:11 |
| asalkeld | yea, I can give that a go | 20:11 |
| shardy | asalkeld: cool, would be great to get rid of all the hard-coded nested templates :) | 20:12 |
| asalkeld | yip | 20:12 |
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| asalkeld | https://bugs.launchpad.net/heat/+bug/1234375 | 20:13 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1234375 in heat "the aws loadbalancer use Fedora 17 and needs to be upgraded to f18 or f19" [Undecided,New] | 20:13 |
| shardy | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/heat/+bug/1234375 | 20:13 |
| shardy | Ok, well great work everyone on Havana, we delivered 42 blueprints and 251 bug fixes! | 20:14 |
| sdake_ | lots of bug fixes | 20:14 |
| asalkeld | yeah, that's good | 20:14 |
| shardy | thanks to all, looking forward to the next push for Icehouse | 20:14 |
| zaneb | how many bug creations? ;) | 20:14 |
| shardy | zaneb: ha, true.. | 20:15 |
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| asalkeld | feature dev == bug creation | 20:15 |
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| zaneb | :) | 20:15 |
| shardy | Yeah, hence my plea for testing :) | 20:15 |
| shardy | #topic open discussion | 20:15 |
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| asalkeld | so when is the summit sessions closed? | 20:15 |
| shardy | So I think they need to be wrapped up in the next couple of weeks, by mid Octover | 20:16 |
| shardy | October even | 20:16 |
| asalkeld | ok | 20:16 |
| MikeSpreitzer | the ides of October | 20:16 |
| radix | ok, sorry I got distracted for the body of the meeting | 20:16 |
| shardy | I've not approved any, as I expected we'd want some discussion (at next week's meeting), and the new PTL can approve them | 20:16 |
| shardy | I've actually got a couple to propose too, so if anyone else has, please add them before next week: | 20:17 |
| shardy | #link http://summit.openstack.org/ | 20:17 |
| sdake_ | the ui lets you join stuff together or break them apart as well | 20:17 |
| shardy | sdake_: Cool, that will be useful | 20:18 |
| sdake_ | new ptl can expect to spend 4-5 hours preparing those talks | 20:18 |
| stevebaker | I'll be a bit quiet this week (ear infection) | 20:18 |
| radix | 13 proposed sessions so far | 20:18 |
| shardy | #info summit session agenda to be discussed at next week's meeting | 20:18 |
| gokrokve | Do you plan to have Software orchestration design meeting? | 20:18 |
| shardy | #action all to add remaining summit proposals | 20:18 |
| stevebaker | gokrokve: yes | 20:18 |
| shardy | gokrokve: yes, the software config BP related discussion definitely warrants a session | 20:19 |
| shardy | (IMHO) | 20:19 |
| gokrokve | Can we start some discussions before summit? | 20:19 |
| zaneb | stevebaker: will you be quiet, or will it just seem quiet to you? | 20:19 |
| sdake_ | mailing list | 20:19 |
| * zaneb ducks | 20:19 | |
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| shardy | gokrokve: Yes, of course, but I wanted to ensure we have the full list of proposals before we start prioritizing too much | 20:19 |
| radix | I want to call attention to the thread that therve started on the mailing list about autoscaling and load balancing. there's a workable solution being proposed but it needs some discussion | 20:19 |
| asalkeld | you need to start a etherpad gokrokve | 20:19 |
| stevebaker | gokrokve: yes, I'm hoping to write some design docs to kick off some pre summit discussion | 20:20 |
| gokrokve | stevebaker: That will be great. | 20:20 |
| shardy | asalkeld: +1, etherpads will help with the discussion re priorities too | 20:20 |
| stevebaker | gokrokve: are you on Murano? | 20:20 |
| shardy | ie details as some of the proposals are pretty sparse | 20:20 |
| gokrokve | stevebaker: Yes. | 20:21 |
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| sdake_ | one thing that i would have found handy in previous summit years was a master list of etherpads in one etherpad eg summit2013novheat | 20:21 |
| sdake_ | or something similar | 20:21 |
| sdake_ | with links to each specific etherpad | 20:21 |
| MikeSpreitzer | +1 | 20:21 |
| tspatzier | +1 | 20:21 |
| gokrokve | We see that we have some code which actually better fits to Heat orchestration agenda then to Murano. | 20:21 |
| stevebaker | gokrokve: OK, at some point I'd like to understand why Windows software config needs a whole new API - or maybe I don't ;) | 20:22 |
| zaneb | gokrokve: yes, that sounds really interesting and we definitely want to discuss that | 20:22 |
| shardy | zaneb: +1 | 20:22 |
| gokrokve | stevebaker: That is the whole point. It does not require specific API. | 20:22 |
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| shardy | sdake_: Sounds like a good idea | 20:22 |
| shardy | #link http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/topic/8 | 20:23 |
| shardy | that's the heat proposal list | 20:23 |
| gokrokve | stevebaker: So we want to pass this stuff to Heat instead of doing this by ourselves. | 20:23 |
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| sdake_ | shardy non-ptls get "forbidden" on that link | 20:23 |
| MikeSpreitzer | that URL gets me "Forbidden" | 20:23 |
| sdake_ | website presents different urls for ptl vs nonptl | 20:23 |
| stevebaker | gokrokve: I'm hoping that the software config proposal I'm putting together will fit well with Murano, even if you're writing your own non cloud-init agent | 20:23 |
| radix | yeah that's a real bummer | 20:23 |
| shardy | Hmm, ok sorry, I'm not sure how to get a topic filtered link then | 20:23 |
| asalkeld | ctrl-f "Heat" | 20:24 |
| sdake_ | you have to link them one at a time from your ui | 20:24 |
| sdake_ | pretty weak :) | 20:24 |
| zaneb | seriously, only the PTLs can see a list | 20:24 |
| zaneb | why are the openstack web devs so user-hostile? | 20:24 |
| shardy | I thought you'd all see the list, only without the review option | 20:24 |
| shardy | sigh | 20:24 |
| zaneb | what did we do to them? | 20:24 |
| gokrokve | stevebaker: our agent is very simple it actually listens on rabbitMQ queue and receive scripts and commands to execute. It can be anything except cloud-init. | 20:24 |
| randallburt | zaneb: you know what you did… ;) | 20:25 |
| tspatzier | you can sort the list by project | 20:25 |
| sdake_ | one suggestion is to make a master list with links to etherpads | 20:25 |
| shardy | gokrokve: so are you using cloudbase-init, or did you replace it with your agent? | 20:25 |
| asalkeld | tspatzier, that's as good as it gets | 20:26 |
| zaneb | randallburt: I may have questioned their parentage once or twice, but only after they started pulling this stuff ;) | 20:26 |
| gokrokve | shardy: we use cloud-init to do initial first boot configuration. After that cloud-init does not work on Windows as it is executed only once ant first boot. | 20:26 |
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| randallburt | lol | 20:26 |
| sdake_ | gokrokve you can use cfn-hup for that | 20:26 |
| gokrokve | shardy: So we have to use our own agent to execute commands after VM restart. | 20:26 |
| stevebaker | gokrokve: if you really wanted to align with Heat you could poll for metadata changes instead of listening to rabbitmq | 20:26 |
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| gokrokve | sdake_: I think yes. We can use anything that can execute scripts. | 20:27 |
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| radix | hmm | 20:27 |
| shardy | Yeah, there seem to be significant areas of overlap - and an FAQ from users I've spoken to is Heat windows instance support | 20:27 |
| shardy | (which we currently don't have) | 20:27 |
| sdake_ | well lets not invent yet another whole set of agents for a new project | 20:27 |
| sdake_ | lets try to have one set of agents :) | 20:27 |
| gokrokve | sdake_: Totally agree. | 20:28 |
| zaneb | I take it all back, go to http://summit.openstack.org/ and click on 'Topic' and it sorts the list | 20:28 |
| sdake_ | agent overhead is hard on everyone - image builders etc | 20:28 |
| gokrokve | sdake_: We created windows agent as there were no one. | 20:28 |
| stevebaker | gokrokve: so you should look at os-collect-config for fetching the metadata, then use that to trigger your own tool to do the configuration | 20:29 |
| asalkeld | end of meeting? | 20:29 |
| gokrokve | I have another BP to discuss. | 20:29 |
| asalkeld | ok | 20:30 |
| gokrokve | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/heat/+spec/stacks-reservation | 20:30 |
| spenceratx | any idea why heat doesn't show up in the Openstack-dev subscribe list? http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/openstack-dev | 20:30 |
| gokrokve | This is for Climate. | 20:30 |
| gokrokve | We have a team who now actively works on CLimate development. They want to integrate soem CLimate capabilities to Heat. | 20:31 |
| gokrokve | Can someone review this BP and related proposal on Wiki? | 20:31 |
| zaneb | spenceratx: because nobody added it | 20:31 |
| MikeSpreitzer | So Climate would be a separate service, making a reservation does not directly interact with any scheduler? | 20:31 |
| spenceratx | ok | 20:31 |
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| zaneb | spenceratx: but I don't have an answer to your follow-up question ;) | 20:31 |
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| asalkeld | gokrokve, sounds interesting | 20:32 |
| spenceratx | zaneb: touche | 20:32 |
| radix | here's that thread I mentioned earlier. could use some input at some point :) http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2013-October/015912.html | 20:32 |
| shardy | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2013-October/015912.html | 20:33 |
| radix | thanks :) | 20:33 |
| gokrokve | Our enginners who are working on CLimate are in UTC+3 timezone. It would be nice if we can chat in IRC or talk around 8-9am PDT | 20:33 |
| shardy | gokrokve: We can review the BP, we're still getting Havana finished, so there are lots of Icehouse (or potential Icehouse) BP's which are unreviewed at this point | 20:33 |
| MikeSpreitzer | what would be the atomic operation? | 20:33 |
| stevebaker | gokrokve: that blueprint is currently too high-level to act on, it really needs some climate people to break it down into some more specific feature blueprints | 20:34 |
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| shardy | Yeah, looking at the wiki page I'm not even sure what it has to do with Heat at all | 20:34 |
| shardy | needs much more detail | 20:34 |
| MikeSpreitzer | If the atomic operation is reserving all the resources of a stack at once, I see a connection to Heat | 20:35 |
| asalkeld | shardy, well they could have a reservation resource | 20:35 |
| sdake | shardy I think they want heat to tell climate about the reservations | 20:35 |
| asalkeld | and the other resources in the template ref' the reservation | 20:35 |
| gokrokve | MikeSpreitzer: atomic means that you will reserve the whole bunch of resources (IP, VM, floating IP, volume) as a one object. At least this is my understanding. | 20:35 |
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| randallburt | I read it as Climate (Reserve this stack) -> Heat -> Climate (Reserve these individual resources) | 20:36 |
| shardy | Ok, well lets say that in the BP rather then "Heat stacks Reservation support for the OpenStack Reservation service" | 20:36 |
| tspatzier | So something like 'heat stack-reserve' that guarantees that a later 'heat stack-create' will succeed since you got sufficient resources? | 20:36 |
| sdake | i dont think you need a new api call | 20:37 |
| gokrokve | Here is more details: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Heat/Reservation | 20:37 |
| sdake | you can just stack-create and it will reserve and create atomically vs what is done now | 20:37 |
| shardy | gokrokve: Yeah, I'm saying that page needs more specifics, what does Heat need, new Resource implementation, API integration with existing services, new API actions, or ..? | 20:38 |
| radix | sdake: yeah, agreed | 20:38 |
| zaneb | sdake: reservations can be created well in advance of creating the stack | 20:38 |
| tspatzier | sdake, yeah, that's another way to look at it. | 20:38 |
| gokrokve | shardy: Ok. Makes sense. | 20:38 |
| MikeSpreitzer | If a reservation is created well in advance, what happens to the physical capacity in the meantime? | 20:38 |
| sdake | these sound like questions for gokrokve to answer zaneb, radix, tspatzier :) | 20:38 |
| gokrokve | What will be the best to discuss the details? openstack-dev ? | 20:39 |
| zaneb | gokrokve: +1 | 20:39 |
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| stevebaker | gokrokve: Are climate peeps coming to Hong Kong? | 20:39 |
| gokrokve | stevebaker: Yes. | 20:39 |
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| shardy | Ok, shall we wrap up the meeting and continue this on the ML? | 20:40 |
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| gokrokve | shardy: Yes. We will proceed with the discussion in ML for both Murano and Climate. | 20:41 |
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| shardy | Ok then, lets do that, thanks all! | 20:41 |
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| shardy | #endmeeting | 20:41 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Oct 2 20:41:23 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:41 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2013/heat.2013-10-02-20.00.html | 20:41 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2013/heat.2013-10-02-20.00.txt | 20:41 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2013/heat.2013-10-02-20.00.log.html | 20:41 |
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