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NobodyCam#startmeeting Ironic19:00
NobodyCam#chair devananda19:00
NobodyCamagenda found at:19:00
openstackMeeting started Mon Oct  7 19:00:43 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is NobodyCam. Information about MeetBot at
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.19:00
NobodyCam#toplic Greetings, roll-call and announcements19:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'ironic'19:00
NobodyCamGreetings everyone, who's here for the Ironic Meeting?19:00
openstackCurrent chairs: NobodyCam devananda19:00
* devananda waves19:01
NobodyCamhey all :)19:01
NobodyCamhi yuriyz19:01
NobodyCamOk the offical announcement: Hoodies.. "are in progress!".. w00t!19:01
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lucasagomesNobodyCam, nice!19:01
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NobodyCamWe're looking good on Our call for summit papers!19:02
NobodyCamhey martyntaylor119:02
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devanandare: summit proposals, i would like to point outthat there are several overlapping sessions proposed19:02
NobodyCamI'me good with squishing them down to one19:03
NobodyCamo/ GheRivero19:03
devanandai'm happy to help coordinate between folks, and/or just pick the one that seems to have the most detail in teh description19:03
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devanandai'm also thrilled to see that folks have similar (but slightly different) ideas about al lthese things :)19:04
NobodyCamWe're a small enough group at this point I thing we can merge them down19:04
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devanandayes -- and we have to. we only get 5 slots19:04
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devanandaso far I havent seen any bad proposals. but I'll have to merge a few, so dont take that as a rejection19:05
NobodyCamwhen do we have to have that done by?19:05
devanandalemme check.. i think it's basically the-day-before-summit19:05
NobodyCamahh ok19:05
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NobodyCamanyone have anything else on summit paper while deva looks that up?19:06
rlooare the summit proposals avail at that 'view proposed Ironic talks here' link in agenda?19:06
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romchegWho is going to arrive to HK earlier?19:07
NobodyCamthat gives me a forbidden19:07
dkehnme 219:07
NobodyCamuse the other link and sort by topic19:07
rlooyes, that's why I'm asking ;)19:07
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dkehnits the lemming effect19:07
NobodyCami tied to look in to that19:08
NobodyCambut seems that what happens after the talks are accepted19:08
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NobodyCamso thats all I have19:08
NobodyCamon theat19:08
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NobodyCamdevananda: do you know what the ironic TALK that was accepted is?19:09
NobodyCamand is there a updated link?19:09
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devanandak, wiki has nothing on closing-dates for the design summit. Let's assume 1-week-before to be safe19:09
devanandaNobodyCam: there is a talk on baremetal provisioning by me19:10
NobodyCam#action nobodycam to add agenda topic to discuss summit papers19:10
devanandaNobodyCam: and a talk by some other folks at HP about their work with baremetal on moonshot19:10
* devananda finds links19:11
NobodyCamgoing to move on while you get those19:11
NobodyCamok to move on?19:12
NobodyCam#topic Outstanding, in-progress or Action Item updates19:12
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NobodyCamI've got a couple of older ones on the list.19:12
NobodyCamromcheg: your almost the entire list19:13
NobodyCamlol several are old19:13
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NobodyCam     ACTION(9/30/2013): romcheg to propose a non-gating job to -infra19:13
NobodyCam    ACTION(9/30/2013): romcheg to add python-ironicclient to devstack install scripts19:13
NobodyCam    ACTION(9/16/2013): devananda to think about a Transifex project for Ironic19:13
NobodyCam    ACTION(9/16/2013): romcheg looking at Ukrainian and Russian transifex translations19:13
NobodyCam    ACTION(9/16/2013): romcheg Check how i18n conplient we are19:13
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romchegok, about i18n19:14
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devanandai'm pinging clarkb to see where I dropped the ball on transifex. I'lll get that going again19:14
romchegIn the most of the code we use gettext so we can start translating as soon as we got a project on transifex19:15
romchegAfter the project was created we will need an infra job for translation19:15
devanandaany LOG or exception messages not using gettext should be considered a bug and fixed19:16
lucasagomesand -1'd on reviews :)19:16
NobodyCamdevananda: do we want one "make ironic i18n compliet bug or per find bug19:16
NobodyCam:-p or one bug per find19:17
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romchegNobodyCam: only if someone needs Launchpad karma to live :)19:18
lucasagomesone bug per find sounds overkill19:18
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NobodyCamok to move on then19:18
NobodyCam#topic Integration and testing19:19
NobodyCamoh.. I've updated the dib walk thru19:19
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NobodyCamanything on the Devstack side?19:19
romchegRegarding my other action items: I'm still working on tempest and infra. As I mentioned in the #openstack-ironic, I'm trying to catch up on that19:19
NobodyCamoh I'm sorry romcheg19:19
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romchegEven using tempest on my local machine I found several bugs :)19:21
NobodyCamanything on testing (or action items) :-p19:21
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NobodyCamdid you file bugs for what you've found so far?19:22
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romchegI filed one to Ironic and uploaded the fix today19:22
romchegThe others were in devstack19:22
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romchegit looks like nobody reads bugs in devstack so I just uploaded patches19:23
NobodyCamlol... awesome romcheg :)19:23
NobodyCamgo to move on?19:24
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NobodyCamok moving on to:19:25
NobodyCamtopic Python-IronicClient19:25
NobodyCam#topic Python-IronicClient19:25
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NobodyCamawesome work lucas19:25
NobodyCamand everyone19:25
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lucasagomesyea on the client I think all the basic stuffs are already implemented19:26
NobodyCamwe have a working cli client19:26
NobodyCamso that leads me to : Are we ready for nova bindings?19:26
lucasagomeswe need to add some other things to the client lib, like vendor_passthru (when it's sorted out)19:26
lucasagomesNobodyCam, I think so yea19:26
devanandavendor_passthru would only be needed for the PXE post-back19:27
devanandanot the nova driver19:27
devanandawe'll need to sort the nesting / namespacing of driver options19:27
devanandachanging that will affect teh noav driver19:27
devanandaso may as well fix the nesting in ironic first19:27
lucasagomesyes, but it's on ironic19:27
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devanandathe option names and API calls to set them will change, no?19:28
lucasagomesit's the options that goes in the driver_info, so currently you can add whatever you want there19:28
NobodyCamdevananda: can we put up the basic framwork for the nova driver?19:29
lucasagomesthe driver will validate it, but off the top of my head there's no changes on the api or client19:29
devanandalucasagomes: right. so the parameter names that the noav driver uses (when it sends the PXE info to ironic) will need to match the ironic pxe driver19:29
devanandaNobodyCam: yep! I can do that19:29
devananda#action devananda to write framework for noav-ironic driver19:30
lucasagomes:), I will work on the bug you filled today as well19:30
* lucasagomes getting the link19:30
devanandaanyone stood up a dev environment and had success with ironic powering on a VM or doing a deploy yet?19:30
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1236533 in ironic "driver options should be namespaced and documented" [Medium,Triaged]19:30
devananda*a tripleo devtest environment, using ironic element19:30
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NobodyCamnot yet here.. but much closer19:32
devanandak, that's also on my list -- at this point, I think it should work19:32
devanandaah! docs for the CLI19:33
NobodyCamanything else on the cli / python cliet19:33
NobodyCamahh yes19:33
lucasagomes^ docs missing yea19:33
devanandaeg, how to patch netsted resources, change power state, etc19:33
uvirtbotlucasagomes: Error: "docs" is not a valid command.19:33
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lucasagomesyea give me one action on that19:33
lucasagomesI think it makes sense to me to document it19:34
devananda#action lucasagomes to add CLI docs to ironic developer doc pages19:34
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devanandawe should also get something up here at some point:19:34
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NobodyCamour api been changing so fast19:35
NobodyCamit would outdate quickly19:35
lucasagomesyea I will take a look on the how to contribute link, idk how to add things to that page19:36
NobodyCamthat leads me to :19:36
NobodyCam#topic API discussion19:36
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NobodyCamthere were questions on vendor_passthru?19:37
lucasagomesso I think that our new epic discussion on that topic would be the vendor_passthru19:37
lucasagomesyuriyz, raised a question last week, whether vendor passthru should return a response body or not19:38
yuriyzi agree that not at this moment19:38
lucasagomescurrently it doesn't because we are doing a async call, and we dont want to have any monitor object returned19:39
lucasagomesanyone has any thoughts on that?19:39
devanandaone challenge with vendor_passthru is it is trying to enable "anything a vendor wants to do", and right now, we dont have vendors telling us what they want19:39
devanandaour only initial use is pxe driver post-back19:39
devanandafrom the deploy ramdisk19:40
lucasagomesso the idea is that, if u want to monitor the state of the node after a vendor_passthru call, you can keep pooling the node-show <id> and look at the states there19:40
devanandaand that ^ makes sense for task-like requests19:40
devanandabut not for informatiion requests19:40
devanandalucasagomes: any reason why vendor_passthru could not do this19:41
devanandareturn a body for GET (and do a synchronous interaction with conductor)19:41
devanandareturn 202 for POST/PUT/etc and do an async cast to conductor19:41
lucasagomesdevananda, we can def return a body for GET19:42
lucasagomesbut how we need some identifier no?19:42
devanandawhat are you thinking needs to be identified?19:43
devanandaGET /nodes/{UUID}/vendor_passthru/{some_resource}19:43
yuriyzand new method name19:43
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lucasagomeslike you make a call POST /nodes/{UUID}/vendor_passthru/something19:44
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lucasagomesso hmm that is not returning anything19:45
lucasagomesso once you do a GET on the same url, it should return what? the status of the previous something call?19:45
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lucasagomesso that means that we can only call one something per time19:46
devanandaso the question seems to be, can a vendor have resources that are distinct from the node, and dont have a 1:1 relationship19:46
devanandaPOST /nodes/{UUID}/vendor_passthru/unicorns19:46
NobodyCam*pink Unicorns19:47
devanandado that a few times,a nd the node should have a few unicorns. but then, how do you GET those? ... GET /nodes/{UUID}/vendor_passthru/unicorns  -> returns the set of unicorns19:48
devanandathat doesn't really work :(19:48
devanandathe POST should be returning the resource identifier :(19:48
lucasagomesyea, for that we might need to have POST to return some id19:48
yuriyzor some links19:49
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devanandais it reasonable to require vendors not to have any resources of their own that do not have a 1:1 node:resource relationship?19:49
lucasagomesI think at least for v1 it's reasonable19:50
NobodyCamI like single id or single link to status for tranzx19:50
lucasagomesbecause we don't know yet what are their use cases19:50
NobodyCamdevananda: +1 right now its do what nova BM does19:50
lucasagomesso we have to assume something19:50
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devanandaso if we impose that, then I think synch GET, async POST is fine. it's not ideal -- POST is a black hole that will eat your data and never tell you if it fails19:51
devanandabut that could at elast be improved via the validation call19:51
devananda(and there's a note in there that I need to fix the race condition between validatea nd do)19:52
NobodyCamok 8 minutes left19:52
devanandalet's d othis for now, and hopefully we'll get manyd iscussions with vendors about this at the summit19:53
lucasagomesok maybe on this design session19:53
lucasagomeswe should try to raise some question about the vendor_passthru?19:53
NobodyCamlucasagomes: ++19:53
yuriyzwe need vendor feedback19:53
lucasagomesbecause vendors will be there19:53
lucasagomesso that would be a good oportunitty to talk to them directly19:54
devanandai can also add that to the release path session:
lucasagomesthat would be great19:54
NobodyCamok for last 5 min19:54
NobodyCam#topic open discussion / Food For Thought19:54
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lucasagomeshow is the coffee driver?19:55
NobodyCami wanted to hank everyone for the awesome progress this last week19:55
NobodyCamwe where running low on time19:55
NobodyCamand I have no reall progress to speak of :-p19:56
NobodyCamon the coffee driver I will get back in to that this week19:56
NobodyCamany thing else19:57
devanandanot here19:57
devanandathanks everyone!19:57
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NobodyCamgreat meeting Thank you all19:58
lucasagomessounds more related to ceilometer, but this thing is pretty cool:
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SwamiHi all20:59
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armaxhey there21:00
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SumitNaiksatamhi all!21:00
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geoffarnoldgood afternoon21:01
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markmcclainsalv-orlando, garyk: around?21:02
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markmcclain#startmeeting Networking21:02
openstackMeeting started Mon Oct  7 21:02:16 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is markmcclain. Information about MeetBot at
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salv-orlandoI was in the wrong room21:02
openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'networking'21:02
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markmcclain#topic Announcements21:02
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markmcclainRC1 was released last week:
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markmcclainPlease take this time to test the release candidate.21:03
markmcclainIf you find a bug please file on launchpad.21:03
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markmcclainIf you've got a bug that needs to be fixed in the final release please tag a havana-rc-potential21:04
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markmcclainWe've a found a few bugs that will necessitate an RC221:04
markmcclainthat will be Thursday of this week21:05
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markmcclainTo make things easier for the release team, please do not target bugs for RC2. If something needs to be targets please contact me offline.21:06
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markmcclainSpeaking of bugs…21:06
markmcclain#topic Bugs21:06
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markmcclainWe've still got 3 bugs will are causing problems in the gate21:07
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1224001 in neutron "test_network_basic_ops fails waiting for network to become available" [Critical,In progress]21:07
salv-orlandoaloha again!21:07
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1211915 in neutron "Connection to neutron failed: Maximum attempts reached" [Critical,In progress]21:07
markmcclainsalv-orlando: I know you've spent a lot of time looking into the first one.  Want to fill us in?21:07
salv-orlandoI actually have spent a lot of time with idle thumbs waiting for devstack-gate jobs to complete21:08
salv-orlandoanyway, the gist of the failure is that either rpc_loop or sync_routers_task hang at some point21:08
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salv-orlandoif they hang, the looping call does not execute anymore and API commands are not implemented on the l3 agent21:09
enikanorovsalv-orlando: is the issue reproducible in regular devstack setup?21:09
salv-orlandohence, no floating IP - and therefore the failure21:09
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salv-orlandoenikanorov: I've spawned 104 different devstack-gate vms with no luck21:09
salv-orlandohappens only on the gate21:09
enikanorovi see21:09
salv-orlando104 is the real number of vms I've spawned21:10
markmcclaindefinitely some kind of race condition that the gate seems to trigger more readily21:10
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salv-orlandoanyway the cause of the hang is subprocess.Popen.communicate never returning21:10
dkehnany news on - its killing the check-tempest-devstack-vm-neutron-isolated & check-tempest-devstack-vm-neutron-pg-isolated, or it is believe to be the issue21:10
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1224001 in neutron "test_network_basic_ops fails waiting for network to become available" [Critical,In progress]21:10
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markmcclaindkehn: that is what we're discussing21:10
salv-orlandodkehn: that's what we're discussing21:10
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salv-orlandoI've found out that openstack.common.processutils.execute always does a sleep21:11
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marunsalv-orlando: termies patch didn't fix the problem?21:11
salv-orlandoand there's a comment that say 'we do this otherwise subprocess.popen hangs'21:11
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salv-orlandomarun: it fixed the problem, partly.21:12
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salv-orlandoBecause arping kept hanging!!! Even with -w option specified21:12
salv-orlandoAnd I've no idea how that could happen21:12
marunsalv-orlando: i'm confused - why only partly?21:13
salv-orlandoSo I suggest to do a few changes to execute() in neutron.agent.linux.utils21:13
salv-orlandomarun: because before it was hanging on pretty much any command,21:13
salv-orlandoafter doing the change in execute() I only observed hanging while executing arping21:13
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salv-orlandothis happened for 18 failures out 1821:13
nati_uenosalv-orlando: How about the patch introduces spawn for arpoing?21:13
salv-orlandoI have not following other patches; that would not block the process but will still leave green threads hanging21:14
salv-orlandofor the gate, I think we can say that we can disable gratuitous apr21:14
salv-orlandoapr -> arp21:14
salv-orlandojust for the gate… there's a configuration option after all21:14
markmcclainhere's the spawn for GARP patch:
haleybyes, i would agree with above - spawn would succeed, but arping hang would consume greenthread21:15
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salv-orlandohaleyb: honestly I am happy either way21:16
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salv-orlandoeither by disabling it on the gate or by spawning in a noter thread21:16
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nati_uenolet's disable it for now.21:17
salv-orlandoIndeed I think I also comment on bug 1233391 that I believed it had the same root case as bug 122400121:17
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1233391 in neutron "arping can be spawned in background to speed-up floating IP assignment" [Medium,In progress]
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1224001 in neutron "test_network_basic_ops fails waiting for network to become available" [Critical,In progress]
nati_uenoand test the patch work or not21:17
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marun…there's another possibility btw21:17
salv-orlandonati_ueno, markmcclain: disabling GARP on gate will require also a change in devstack-gate and a change in devstack21:17
salv-orlandoalthough they're trivial changes21:17
nati_uenoit should be easy21:17
nati_uenoso default off is only for gating?21:18
markmcclainwhat's the change to devstack?  making GARP configuratble?21:18
marunthe async process class I've added as part of the polling minimization might be a alternate way of handling process threading21:18
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salv-orlandomarkmcclain: in devstack we need something to do the iniset on the conf variable21:19
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salv-orlandoin devstack-gate we need to set the value to 021:19
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salv-orlandomarun: you've done only the l2 agent part so far, is that right?21:19
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markmcclainsalv-orlando: ok21:19
nati_uenosalv-orlando: let's me take the patch21:20
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marunsalv-orlando: sure, but the async process class can be used for running any process, not just ovsdb-client21:20
salv-orlandonati_ueno: are you suggesting to take the GARP patch from bhaley or are you offering to do the devstack patch for disabling GARP on the gate?21:20
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nati_uenosalv-orlando: devstack and devstack-gate patch for disabling GARP on the gate21:21
salv-orlandomarun: agreed. I was just wondering whether we could use this out of the box in the l3 agent too21:21
markmcclainI'm still a bit concerned that we'll end up making the gate pass, but in production deployers will encounter the lockup21:21
marunsalv-orlando: it's on a process-by-process basis I'm afraid.21:21
salv-orlandonati_ueno: thanks. Let's first agree on a direction. I won't mind just merging bhaley's patch too21:21
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nati_uenosalv-orlando: markmcclain: sure21:22
salv-orlandomarkmcclain: me too.21:22
markmcclainthe only downside of the bhaley's patch is we potentially leak greenthreads right?21:22
salv-orlandoNot having been able to reproduce locally, I am still at a loss about why arping should hang21:22
salv-orlandomarkmcclain: correct. We'll leak one for each time arping hangs21:22
salv-orlandobut we could easily put all those threads in a pool all kill them mercilessly if they've lived for more than say 10 seconds21:23
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markmcclainyeah that would be an approach21:24
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marunyou know we're desperate when…. :\21:24
salv-orlandoin the icehouse timeframe than we would be able to use marun code and therefore have an orderly an systematic approach for managing async tasks21:25
marunagreed that we need a fix now, though.21:25
markmcclainI'd be interested to see what the deadlock would be of spawning the garp and the other fixes you've been working on21:25
markmcclain*deadlock rate21:25
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salv-orlandoI can rebase on top of bhaley patch.21:26
markmcclainboth might be a good first step that we merge sooner21:26
markmcclainand if we need to add a kill the stalled threads we can do that as follow up21:26
markmcclainI think the sooner we can get this in, the sooner more folks can test21:26
salv-orlandook, so do we have consensus that as a stopgap measure we're going to fix execute in neutron.agent.utils, and spawn GARP into its own thread?21:27
markmcclainthat would be my choice21:27
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salv-orlando+1 from me21:27
marun+1, let's just make sure to file another bug that ensures we have a longer-term solution on the horizon21:28
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armax+1 from me too, it's best to ship havana with one less opportunity for a deadlock21:28
markmcclainmarun: agreed we'll need a long term bug21:28
salv-orlandoI think we should mark the commit messages as partial-bug and leave the bug open for havana with a lessere priority21:28
marunsalv-orlando: +121:28
markmcclainWe've consensus on a direction for this one21:29
salv-orlandoyeah, let's move to the next bug21:29
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markmcclainAre there any other bugs the teams needs to discuss?21:30
armaxthere's bug 1197627 lying around21:30
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1197627 in neutron "DHCP agent race condition on subnet and network delete" [High,In progress]
armaxbut it hasn't been targeted21:31
salv-orlandoupdate on bug1211915?21:31
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markmcclainarmax: I'll tag it as havana-rc-potential21:31
markmcclainand would like folks to review it21:31
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markmcclainbug 121191521:32
armaxI think the severity can be lowered21:32
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1211915 in neutron "Connection to neutron failed: Maximum attempts reached" [Critical,In progress]
armaxto medium21:32
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marunarmax: why?  It seems like a pretty major problem to me21:33
marunarmax: and we have a fix in process21:33
armaxit is21:33
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salv-orlandoarmax: which bug are you talking about?21:33
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armaxsalv-orlando: bug 119762721:34
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1197627 in neutron "DHCP agent race condition on subnet and network delete" [High,In progress]
markmcclainyeah.. logstash is showing that bug 1211915 has gone away21:34
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1211915 in neutron "Connection to neutron failed: Maximum attempts reached" [Critical,In progress]
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salv-orlandomarkmcclain: I have never believed in the "bug has gone away" fairytale ;)21:34
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marunmarkmcclain: Yeah, I'm with salv-orlando.  I think race conditions can be triggered and then not triggered, but they're still there.21:35
armaxmarun: I managed to reproduce the bug21:35
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armaxbut the conditions were staged21:35
marunarmax: bravo! :)21:35
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armaxI wasn't able to reproduced it without injecting a time skew21:36
marunarmax: I'm not sure that changes anything, though.  Race conditions are like landmines, we're fine until someone steps on it.  But it's still there.21:36
markmcclainMarun: so true21:36
armaxbesides it really depends on how the plugin implements the delete operations21:36
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armaxmarun: I agree with you …but today no-one has lost a leg besides the reporter21:37
marunarmax: Trying to update the agent in a db transaction is simply a bad idea, and easily fixed.  I'm not sure what we're arguing about.21:37
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marunarmax: wait, are we talking about the same bug?  Maybe I'm arguing for nothing :(21:38
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armaxmarun: maybe21:38
marunapologies for wasting your time21:38
armaxno need21:38
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markmcclainRe 1211915: we made changes on the 3rd to make the api less likely to deadlock21:39
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markmcclainthat's why I think it has not popped up recently21:39
markmcclainmy inclination is to wait a few more days on 1211915 and we don't see it, close it21:39
marunarmax: I'll help review the patches for 1197627 in any case.21:39
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markmcclainat the summit we discuss a the general problem of agents within transaction21:40
marunmarkmcclain: But doesn't Jakub's patch make sense regardless?21:40
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armaxmarun: tnx21:40
marunmarkmcclain: at least the changes to extraroute_db?21:40
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markmcclainmaybe.. let's get the other patches in21:41
markmcclainand then run it through the gate again… I'm a bit concerned we had to recheck a change that fixes a deadlock21:42
marunmarkmcclain: ok21:42
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markmcclainfrom a code perspective I think it is an upgrade over the current21:43
markmcclaingetting back to bug 119762721:44
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1197627 in neutron "DHCP agent race condition on subnet and network delete" [High,In progress]
markmcclainI know marun said he'd review21:44
markmcclainlooks like arosen2 is the other reviewer21:44
markmcclainso we've got 2 cores on it21:44
markmcclainAny other bugs?21:44
markmcclainI want to thank the folks who've put in a lot of hours working on fixes for these tricky bugs21:45
markmcclain#topic API docs21:46
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markmcclainsalv-orlando: hi21:46
salv-orlandoin a nutshell, not a lot of progress from last week.21:46
salv-orlandoI have been busy chasing these bugs and I've let the API fall back21:46
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salv-orlandowill resume work from tomorrow21:47
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salv-orlandodkehn: thanks for raising that21:47
markmcclainsalv-orlando: no problem we were in good shape last week and fixing the bugs is a higher team priority21:47
salv-orlandothankfully, not everybody is a slacker like me :)21:47
markmcclainlet's move on admin docs21:48
markmcclain#topic docs21:48
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markmcclainemagana: hi21:48
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emaganamarkmcclain: Hi there, It will be a brief update21:48
emaganamostly working on ML2 docs21:48
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emaganacloud admin guide, glossary* and deprecate message are merged21:49
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emaganawe have owners for installation and configuration guide, so it should be fine21:49
emaganawe are still missing owner for metering agent, if we dont have volunteers, I will take it21:50
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markmcclainthanks for keeping watch over the docs21:50
emaganano more from my side, I have updated the wiki properly21:50
markmcclainperfect.. thanks for updating21:50
emaganamarkmcclain: n.p.21:50
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markmcclain#topic Horizon21:51
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markmcclainamotoki: has picked up this bug:
markmcclainI'll review21:51
markmcclainbut we'll need 1 more core to look at it21:51
armaxI'll look at it21:51
markmcclainarmax: thanks21:52
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markmcclain#topic Summit21:52
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markmcclainReminder to get your summit sessions in:
emaganamarkmcclain: when is the deadline?21:52
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markmcclainI'd like to have them in by end of day the 17th21:53
emaganamarkmcclain: thanks21:53
markmcclainremember the sooner they're filed it gives us more time to provide feedback21:54
geoffarnoldIncluding merged session proposals, right?21:54
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markmcclainAny summit related questions?21:55
markmcclain#topic Open Discussion21:56
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marunI'd like to suggest a change in review policy21:56
marunAny change that requires feedback by the submitter should require a -1 or -2 on the part of the reviewer21:56
salv-orlandocongratulations markmcclain for your success in the PTL elections!21:56
emaganaCongratulations markmcclain21:57
markmcclainWell our community works really hard and I'm excited for Icehouse cycle21:57
emaganamarun: Is it not the case right now?21:58
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marunemagana: I have experienced being reviewed in comments but with no score.21:58
markmcclainmarun: I'm assuming you're referring to the 0 score with comments?21:58
marunmarkmcclain: correct21:58
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markmcclainI know I'm guilty of leaving comments and scoring21:59
salv-orlandoI often leave no score on purpose21:59
marunmarkmcclain: if feedback requires action of any kind, I think a minus score is appropriate to ensure that other reviewers give time for the feedback loop to complete21:59
marunsalv-orlando: why?21:59
marunsalv-orlando: the minus scores are to ensure that action is taken.21:59
marunsalv-orlando: i'm not sure of the value of not being explicit about that22:00
salv-orlandobecause I had non fundamental questions/comments and I did not want to put other reviewers off that patch22:00
rkukuraonr problem is that a single -1 often discourages anyone else from looking at the patch22:00
salv-orlandoyou know, often when one sees -1 on a patch just skips it22:00
marunsalv-orlando: i think we should change the view that a minus score doesn't require other reviewer attention, though22:00
marunsalv-orlando: that's an education thing22:00
marunsalv-orlando, rkukura: let's solve the problem rather than the symptom22:00
salv-orlandoanyway I'm happy to change my behavioyr22:01
markmcclainI'll start leaving scores too22:01
rkukuramarun: I'm not opposed to change either22:01
emaganamarun: Is this the behavior in the rest of the openstack projects?22:01
marunemagana: I'm pretty sure, but I can check.22:02
markmcclainemagana: each project has their own slight differences22:02
markmcclainsome always score and others might comment w/o scoring22:02
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markmcclainthe size of the teams is often on factor too22:02
emaganawe should "try" to be aligned with the rest of the projects, it makes easier the educational part  :-)22:02
marunIn any case, I'll send an email to the list in any case reiterating the call for minus scores and for people to check reviews for sufficient reviewer coverage rather than ignoring -1s22:02
salv-orlandoyup pretty much in every other project you get a -1 for any kind of question22:02
emaganasalv-orlando: yeap, I noticed that in nova!22:03
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shivhdocument it on neutron wiki, if it works great other projects may adopt22:04
markmcclainfor now let's be aware and remember to leave a score if the question is a blocker22:04
markmcclainwe're out of time for today22:05
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marunsivh: ok22:06
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shivhcongtrats Mark for PTL, bye all.22:07
dkehnmarkmcclain, congrats22:07
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markmcclainthis got lost in the scoring discussion… the reason I mentioned the PTL results is to say thanks to everyone because the best part of being PTL is working with our great community22:08
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markmcclainthe diligent work folks have put in the bugs this week is a prime example of how well our community works and shares information22:09
markmcclainThanks for stopping in and have a great week22:09
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nati_uenoOK let's get started neutron vpn subteam meeting22:10
nati_ueno#startmeeting Networking VPNaaS22:10
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Swamihi all22:10
openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'networking_vpnaas'22:10
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nati_uenoSwami: pcm__: hi!22:11
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nati_ueno#topic Summit session22:11
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nati_uenoI have created a ehterpad page
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nati_uenoIn previous neutron weekly meeting, we agreed not to use "lecture" style discussion22:12
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SwamiYes opening the page22:12
nati_uenoso I would like to use this etherpad on the summit22:12
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nati_uenoAlso, I would like to start discussion on the etherpad about milestone of VPN on Icehouse22:12
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SwamiYes that would work out22:13
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nati_uenoSwami: Thanks22:13
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nati_ueno#topic Protocol Support22:14
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nati_uenoIt looks like SSL-VPN, MPLS/BGP are proposed with bp22:15
nati_ueno"IPSec Certificate authentication support" <-- who's added this one?22:15
SwamiI added it Nachi to the list22:15
nati_uenoSwami: Thanks. could you link the bp?22:15
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SwamiJust to make sure that we don't miss anything left out22:16
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nati_uenoIPSec + I2TP, GRE are candidates, but it looks like it lacks bps22:17
SwamiI don't have the detailed write up for the IPsec certificate authentication support, but since the SSL VPN already handles the certificate table, we can re-use the same for discussions22:17
nati_uenoSwami: yes. we can use same tables22:18
SwamiNachi: Thanks22:18
enikanorovfolks, btw, where are you storing certs for the service?22:18
nati_uenoenikanorov: I think keystone is applicable22:18
nati_uenoenikanorov: it has certificate api22:18
enikanorovis it planned or current solution?22:19
SwamiNachi: There was also another blueprint targeted for storing the SSL certs for Loadbalancer sSL offload22:19
nati_uenoenikanorov: I think it has.. but i'm not confident. I should investigate22:19
nati_uenoSwami: Thanks. could you add it on the etherpad22:19
enikanorovnati_ueno: I see, thanks. I'm asking because there are talks about adding ssl to lbaas, which will also need certs management22:19
nati_uenocertificate resource would be not limited on vpnaas22:20
nati_uenoso, let's write some proposal at first, then discussion on the mailing list before the summit22:20
enikanorovsounds good22:20
nati_uenoIs there anyone to take this resource design?22:21
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nati_uenoOK let's find the people later22:22
nati_uenoDo you have any other items for Protocol Support?22:23
SwamiI don't think there is anything more, the etherpad list covers all22:23
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nati_uenoSwami: so you will raise hand for ssl-vpn?22:23
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SwamiYes I would raise hand for both ssl-vpn and mpls/bgp, both are required, but I thought we can do baby steps22:24
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nati_uenoSwami: Ok sure. i'm still working on mpls stuff. so let's discuss detailed API in next meeting22:25
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Swaminachi: appreciate it22:25
pcm__I think Ian Wells has a L2VPN session submitted.22:25
nati_uenopcm__: yes. he wrote some note on the etherpad22:26
nati_uenopcm__: is he around?22:26
pcm__I mentioned the session, but don't think he's on IRC22:26
pcm__I'll ping him22:26
nati_uenopcm__: Thanks22:26
nati_uenopcm__: he says ", I'm not bringing an implementation along", so may be we can separate session22:27
nati_uenopcm__: his topic looks like more general terms22:27
nati_ueno#topic Service22:27
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nati_uenoI think there is there workitems22:27
nati_ueno(1) Service Type Framework (2) Service Insertion (3) Service agent22:28
nati_ueno(1) has a patch, and i expect it will be merged in early I22:28
nati_ueno(2) and (3) is under the discussion22:28
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enikanorovnati_ueno: are you aware of service chaining proposal?22:29
enikanorovor discussion?22:29
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SwamiNachi: Do you also need to consider the service chaining or will service insertion be part of the service chaining22:29
nati_uenoenikanorov: yes22:29
nati_uenoI should add it on the list :P22:29
enikanorovnati_ueno: it also has an idea of introducing new entity22:30
enikanorov"service instance"22:30
enikanorovwhich is used for a few things22:30
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ijwenikanorov: is that Sumit's proposal, or is this another one?22:30
SumitNaiksatamenikanorov:  am in the process of revising the proposal from the last summit on service insertion/chaining22:30
enikanorovbind resource to a backend, bind resource to a provider, etc22:30
enikanorovyeah, basically it is his proposal22:30
enikanorovSumitNaiksatam: hi :)22:31
SumitNaiksatamhi :-)22:31
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nati_uenoso may be we should discuss service related topic in the service session if we have22:31
pcm__enikanorov: any link to the proposal?22:31
nati_uenoSumitNaiksatam: so you are proposing a session too?22:31
enikanorovpcm__: not yet22:31
ijwSumit's got one on service chaining already22:31
ijw(independent of VPNs)22:32
* pcm__ just trying to wrap my head around all this22:32
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SumitNaiksatamijw: that's right22:32
ijwI need a word with people here about service chaining, too - but in general it's an independent topic to VPNs and I would set it aside for now22:32
nati_uenoSumitNaiksatam: How about have a irc meeting about service related stuff?22:33
pcm__nati_ueno: +122:33
SumitNaiksatamnati_ueno: sure22:33
nati_uenoSumitNaiksatam: Thanks!22:34
nati_ueno#topic misc22:34
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Swaminachi: please add me in those meeting related to service chaining discussion22:34
nati_uenoI would like to add (1) Multiple local subnet support (2) Routing configration support on VPNService22:34
nati_uenoSwami: sure. I believe Sumit will send invitation on the openstack-dev22:34
nati_uenodo you have any other related bps?22:35
Swaminachi: thanks22:35
nati_uenook it looks nothing22:35
ijwnati_ueno: whatever you're proposing for VPNs ought to apply exactly the same as any provider network, shouldn't it?22:35
nati_uenoijw: Ah, I didn't have a thought about that. but may be true22:36
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nati_uenoijw: (1) is for vpn service resources.22:36
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nati_uenoijw: but (2) is may be related22:36
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ijwYeah, I was thinking more in terms of 'if there's an API for this already can we re-use it' but I guess that for L3VPNs it's done differently to networks22:37
nati_uenoijw: no vpnservice is not only for l3. we will remove router_id.22:38
nati_uenoijw: router_id will be deal with service insertion stuff22:38
nati_uenohowever we should discuss this with a concrete API proposal.22:38
nati_uenoso let's discuss the detail in the next meeting. I'll write some proposal22:39
SumitNaiksatamnati_ueno: this is a good point, glad you brought it up22:39
ijwI don't think you can just remove router_id and make a VPN l222:39
ijw(if that's what you're saying)22:39
SumitNaiksatamijw: removing router id is probably not enough22:39
SumitNaiksatamhowever, router id probably does not belong the way it is modeled now22:39
nati_uenoSumitNaiksatam: yes22:40
SumitNaiksatamdo you agree?22:40
nati_uenoijw: may be, you are right. let's discuss on the proposal in next meeting22:40
nati_uenoijw: are you going to propose l2vpn in the icehouse?22:40
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ijwI've got the proposal in, yes.  I might present an API for the basic concept but I didn't want to get into specific VPN types so much as the differences between L2 and L3 and how you would want to attach them.22:42
nati_uenoijw: so do you have some impl also in icehouse22:43
ijwI was hoping to have a general discussion and hear opinions rather than say 'we should do it exactly like this', if that's all right with people.  I don't have an API implementation right now, no.22:43
nati_uenoijw: yeah, one issue is no one is going to add impl for l2vpn in icehouse, IFIK22:44
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nati_uenoijw: if we have no plan to impl it, it isn't makes sence to add API for that in this release22:44
ijwWe would like to implement it, I think22:44
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nati_uenoijw: We == your team?22:45
ijwProbably not my specific team, just someone in the wider company - but I'd like to take details and recommendations back to them rather than have them come up with an extension in the absence of any feedback.22:45
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nati_uenoijw: Ok let's ask is there anyone to take l2vpn impl in icehouse in mailing list22:46
ijwI can probably persuade Kyle to mind it22:46
nati_uenoijw: cool22:46
nati_uenook next topic22:47
nati_ueno#topic Vendor driver support22:47
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nati_uenoI find there is NSX bp for vpnaas22:47
nati_uenopcm__: IMO, you will going to add cisco support also22:47
pcm__yes, will be... in early investigations right now. Will need to do a BP22:47
nati_uenopcm__: Thanks. please link you bp when you write it22:48
pcm__will do.22:48
nati_uenoany other vender driver proposals on this?22:48
nati_uenoOK let's keep asking in the mailing list22:49
nati_ueno#topic open discussion22:49
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pcm__I was curious on how we handle vendor diff in API22:49
nati_uenodo you have some discussion items?22:49
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pcm__e.g. if a vendor supports diff attribute values.22:49
SwamiNormally vendor diff come in through their plugin22:49
nati_uenopcm__: if the attriubutes differents, we can add vendor-specific extensions22:50
pcm__Guess I'm wondering how it is reflect in API22:50
pcm__For example, say you support more authentication methods. How does the API reflect that?22:51
nati_uenopcm__: That's sounds not vendor-specific22:51
nati_uenopcm__: we should extend our vpn API for the more authentication methods22:52
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pcm__Just an example. Could go the other way, like not supporting some of the attribute values.22:52
nati_uenoThe new attribute is really vendor specific, we can write extension for it22:53
nati_uenowe can extend vpnservice resource22:53
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nati_uenopcm__: ok let's keep discussion on this22:54
nati_ueno#topic next meeting time22:54
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nati_uenois that OK for you with same time. After the Next neutron core meeting22:55
enikanorovit's a pity it's too late22:55
SwamiThis timeslot works for me.22:55
enikanorovi'm not a regular visitor at this time22:55
enikanorovbut a feel lbaas and vpn has come common points to discuss22:55
pcm__normally OK. Though I'm not avail. next two Mon.22:55
nati_uenoenikanorov: Ah ok. so let's schedule another time.22:56
enikanorovnati_ueno: nope, i don't think my time zone is suitable for you guys22:56
nati_uenoenikanorov: pcm__: could you add some candidates on the etherpad22:56
enikanorovso I'd prefer to participate in ML threads if you initiate some22:56
nati_uenoOK I'll send summary for the mailing list22:56
pcm__Time is fine for me, just conflicts the next two weeks.22:56
SwamiI am ok with any time slot, other than early morning PDT22:56
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nati_uenoenikanorov: yes. let's keep discussion on the mailing list22:57
nati_uenoOK Thanks guys!!22:57
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openstackMinutes (text):
enikanorovthanks, bye22:57
Swaminachi: Thanks for organizing the meeting22:57
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