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LLckfanDoes any1 know how to get a stale house smell out of a clean house without opening windows?07:16
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annegentle_hey anyone here for the doc team meeting?13:01
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summerlonghey there :)13:01
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annegentle_hiya hiya13:02
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annegentle_#startmeeting Doc/Web Team Meeting13:02
openstackMeeting started Tue Oct  8 13:02:14 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is annegentle_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.13:02
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.13:02
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'doc_web_team_meeting'13:02
annegentle_hey glad to see everyone13:02
annegentle_Agenda is here13:02
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annegentle_#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/DocTeamMeeting#Agenda_for_next_meeting13:02
annegentle_First item up is the action items from last time13:02
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annegentle_This one's done: AJaeger to remove Networking Admin Guide builds and links13:03
annegentle_Thanks Ajaeger! Oh I guess he's not here.13:03
annegentle_This one's done too, dianefleming to patch Cloud Administrator Guide for new title13:03
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annegentle_And I did this one: annegentle discuss Install patches with Shaunm13:04
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annegentle_And this one: annegentle to add Conventions to the reviewers guidelines13:04
annegentle_#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/HowTo#Reviewing_Documentation13:04
annegentle_That's it for action items13:05
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annegentle_Oh I should've set the topic to reviewing action items. Ah well.13:05
annegentle_Next item: Install guides13:05
annegentle_#topic Install guides13:05
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annegentle_#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/5011813:06
annegentle_it passes the gate now but definitely needs the rest of the outline filled in13:06
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annegentle_Looks like shaunm isn't here to fill in details but he did write to the mailing list with details13:06
annegentle_ah, welcome AJaeger!13:06
nerminaanything we can do, annegentle_?13:07
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annegentle_#link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-docs/2013-October/002936.html13:07
nerminalike repurposing the old material?13:07
AJaegerannegentle_, sorry, mixed up times13:07
annegentle_here's the latest status ^^^13:07
annegentle_AJaeger: no worries13:07
annegentle_I am considering just pushing through the install guide patch we have and parceling out the work, what do you all think?13:08
annegentle_AJaeger: did say he'd take the OpenSUSE13:08
sgordonit really needs to be merged so we can all play13:08
annegentle_sgordon: yep13:08
annegentle_I'm good with that too13:08
AJaegerannegentle_, if you mean openSUSE with lowercase "o" - yes, I do.13:08
annegentle_AJaeger: hee hee yes I do yes :)13:09
nerminathe bullets could be turned into bugs, annegentle_13:09
AJaegerand I'm fine with pushing it through. That'S the only way for us to work together on it.13:09
annegentle_AJaeger: ok, you and me +2 it and it's done13:09
annegentle_Who would like to take the Overview and Sample Arch? What has happened in past releases is Ken Pepple has given us the diagrams for the release, but not usually until the summit13:09
annegentle_kpepple: happen to be around? Are you doing Havana arch diagrams?13:10
nerminadon't we have that in ch_getstarted?13:10
annegentle_I can take the short conceptual overview of Glance13:10
annegentle_nermina: yeah I think so13:10
annegentle_nermina: just didn't know the state of the diagram13:10
nerminamirantis updated the graphic13:10
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annegentle_nermina: oh fantastic13:10
summerlongI have an updated diagram with heat/ceilometer13:11
annegentle_summerlong: oh very good, let's use that13:11
summerlongwas in the last RH install guide.13:11
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annegentle_#action Merge in install guide as-is13:11
summerlongwhen they were still tech preview.13:11
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annegentle_summerlong: is it like this? (conceputal) http://docs.openstack.org/grizzly/openstack-compute/admin/content/conceptual-architecture.html13:12
annegentle_summerlong: or logical? http://docs.openstack.org/grizzly/openstack-compute/admin/content/logical-architecture.html13:12
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nerminafor conceptual13:13
summerlonghmm, components rather.13:13
annegentle_I think we need both, eventually, but at least components for release13:13
nerminacomponents are already there in ch_getstarted13:13
summerlongyes, conceptual then13:13
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annegentle_nermina: ok looks good13:14
summerlonglooks like that can be used.13:14
nerminawe need to update the logical still and i'll push for it13:14
annegentle_looks like there's a need for cinder install chapter13:14
annegentle_there is stuff in grizzly for that13:14
annegentle_and we will need to know how Solly Ross is getting along with Neutron, anyone know him?13:15
annegentle_I would also be willing to take the Swift chapter13:15
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nerminaneed someone to move the stuff from the old, annegentle_? i could do it.13:15
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annegentle_#action annegentle to work on glance conceptual intro, and swift install13:15
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annegentle_nermina: well also need to test the old, is that do-able?13:15
AJaegerannegentle_, should we use some etherpad/wiki for documenting what needs to be done and who sigend up?13:16
koolhead17annegentle_: i can help you too with that13:16
nerminawon't be done by release, but it could be a continuous work13:16
annegentle_AJaeger: yes, let's use https://etherpad.openstack.org/havanainstall13:16
annegentle_#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/havanainstall13:16
NickChaseannegentle_: we can test13:16
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annegentle_NickChase: ok, cool13:17
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annegentle_Ok adding names next to items in that etherpad13:17
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NickChase(At least, I think we can.  If we run into issues I'll let you know. :))13:17
annegentle_nermina: are you able to take in the KVM config?13:17
annegentle_NickChase: yep, understood! :) Shaun bought two laptops and 2 USB NICs for testing13:18
annegentle_Ok let's have Shaun do the basic network stuff to allow access to booted images13:18
annegentle_koolhead17: do you have Cinder setup and can you test those instructions from Grizzly?13:19
koolhead17annegentle_: i have swift + ubuntu 12.04 grizzly13:19
summerlongannegentle: Can look at the Cinder chapter, have havana13:19
annegentle_koolhead17: oh! Ok cool, can you review my patch then?13:19
koolhead17annegentle_: we need to sync the keystone user/pass when we are adding it to other components13:20
annegentle_Ok, anyone want to do a patch for the booting and playing around with images?13:20
annegentle_koolhead17: oh good point13:20
annegentle_Anyone want the Cinder chapter? There is grizzly stuff, just a matter of testing and patching13:21
nerminai'll take cinder13:21
annegentle_nermina: thanks!13:21
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annegentle_oh nermina can you also take the Overview using the Getting Started stuff you did?13:22
koolhead17annegentle_: so someone has to come up with keystone deployment chapter first & let us know the convention he/she is using13:22
annegentle_nermina: might be just an xi:include really13:22
koolhead17so we can use same with other component13:22
summerlongannegentle: can do the Images check.13:22
annegentle_koolhead17: keystone is in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/50118/ so yeah just make sure you check what's there13:22
annegentle_summerlong: awesome thanks13:23
koolhead17annegentle_: let me go through it13:23
annegentle_koolhead17: okie13:23
annegentle_alright anything else? I know that leaves Neutron kind of in the hands of someone not here, but, what else should we do to mitigate that risk?13:23
nerminaannegentle_ confirming13:24
AJaegerbtw. current install guide has 38 pdf pages13:24
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koolhead17AJaeger: ^^13:24
annegentle_AJaeger: ee, lightweight, is that good or bad?13:24
* AJaeger will go through all 38 pages and check that we didn't miss anything13:25
nerminai saw a team come across the launch pad wanting to correct neutron, annegentle_13:25
nerminafollow up, perhaps?13:25
annegentle_nermina: oh for sure, were they logging bugs in launchpad or were they on the list or?13:25
AJaegerannegentle_, the basic install guide had the same amount, so it looks a bit light - but there's also some stuff missing as we discussed13:25
nerminalist, i believe. need to check.13:25
annegentle_AJaeger: yeah okay13:25
annegentle_nermina: ok thanks13:25
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annegentle_shall we meet again next week to stay on top of the install guide and release?13:26
koolhead17annegentle_: i don`t have RHEL to test.13:26
koolhead17so the redhat part needs to be reviewed someone else13:26
annegentle_koolhead17: ok13:26
annegentle_NickChase: good, will put it on the calendar13:26
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AJaegercan we ask sgordon to look at RHEL?13:26
koolhead17AJaeger: yups sounds perfect13:27
annegentle_or summerlong?13:27
sgordonor both ;)13:27
radsyI have RHEL here13:27
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annegentle_ok yes all the testers we can get!13:27
sgordonprobably worth building a PDF and linking it from the RDO forum13:27
annegentle_thanks radsy13:27
annegentle_sgordon: good idea13:27
summerlongI have RHEL :), just trying to see what needs doing by koolhead1713:27
AJaegersgordon, the PDF is ready - justdownload it from docs.o.o/trunk13:28
annegentle_I know it still feels a long way off but we are in much better shape for havana install than we were with grizzly13:28
koolhead17summerlong: the commands/pkgs i would assume :D13:28
radsyis this for the basic install guide?13:28
annegentle_koolhead17: it sounds like shaun tested fedora first13:28
annegentle_koolhead17: and is looking for ubuntu testing13:29
annegentle_but yeah to testing all of it :)13:29
AJaegerradsy, there'S no basic install guide anymore, only *the* Install Guide13:29
koolhead17annegentle_: sgordon is fedora/RDO pkg same?13:29
AJaegerSee docs.openstack.org/trunk for the list of guides13:29
annegentle_ok, any questions?13:29
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* summerlong is too. Lots of input before a once-through testing can be done?13:30
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annegentle_summerlong: I think a once-through is not yet possible with what landed today13:30
summerlongannegentle_: yes, which is why I was asking about specifics?13:31
annegentle_summerlong: ah yes. koolhead17 just asks for distro helpers all the time :)13:31
annegentle_koolhead17: your wish has come true, look at all the help!13:32
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koolhead17summerlong: so RDO & Yum repo for fedora/RH are same correct?13:32
annegentle_I would like to know if packaging is the same for rhel and fedora13:32
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annegentle_is it RDO everywhere?13:33
radsykoolhead17, http://docs.openstack.org/trunk/install-guide/install/yum/openstack-install-guide-yum-trunk.pdf is the doc? I am happy to help review on a RHEL 6.4 machine.13:33
summerlongRDO is the distro.13:33
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AJaegerradsy, yes that's the pdf13:34
annegentle_thanks radsy13:34
koolhead17summerlong: radsy so when we are talking about install pkg what should we focus on13:34
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koolhead17yum repo for openstack13:34
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summerlongkoolhead17: http://repos.fedorapeople.org/repos/openstack/openstack-havana/13:35
radsyhttp://openstack.redhat.com/Quickstart talks about RHEL, CentOS, Fedora, and links to http://rdo.fedorapeople.org/ for all13:35
radsysummerlong's link, actually13:36
koolhead17summerlong: radsy i would request you guys to double check the patch once it lands so it works for fedora/RH/Centos all 313:36
summerlongkk, put us on as reviewers?13:36
koolhead17annegentle_:  ^^13:36
annegentle_Ok better keep moving, let's move on to the next topic, doc tools.13:37
annegentle_#topic Doc Tools Update13:37
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annegentle_The maven plugin is now at 1.11.0, so we'll try to standardize on that for Havana, but we did just do a sweep for 1.10.013:37
annegentle_But, I'd like to use 1.11.0 to get the "log a bug" link on each page13:37
annegentle_Sound good?13:37
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annegentle_woo! Yet another great outcome from docs boot camp13:39
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AJaegerAnother note: The gating has changed, we use now tools/test.py. For details see http://jaegerandi.blogspot.de/2013/10/improving-openstack-documentation-build.html13:40
annegentle_AJaeger: oh thank you for blogging that!13:40
annegentle_#link http://jaegerandi.blogspot.de/2013/10/improving-openstack-documentation-build.html13:40
annegentle_AJaeger: you are doing a lot of what we talked about at boot camp, even with out attending, so it's like you're a mind reader13:41
nerminathanks, ajaeger13:41
AJaegerannegentle_, I'm long enough around in Open Source communities ...13:41
summerlonga jaeger, --check-niceness is my new best friend.13:42
annegentle_AJaeger: you picked up mind reading from open source, that's a success story :)13:42
AJaegerannegentle_, a miracle ;)13:42
koolhead17AJaeger: nice13:42
annegentle_Ok, that's all I had on doc tools13:42
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annegentle_#topic Bug reports and DocImpact13:42
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annegentle_#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+milestone/havana13:43
AJaegerIf you notice anything wrong with the tools, just ping me13:43
annegentle_#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-api-site/+milestone/havana13:43
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annegentle_Again, here we are in much better shape than last release and I'm comfortable with releasing docs with code, but there are still undocumented features13:43
annegentle_I also thought I'd talk about release notes13:43
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annegentle_Some DocImpact things are also release note items, previously the PTLs did all the release notes on the wiki, and I think that'll continue13:44
sgordonrelease notes also kinds of leads to *shudder* upgrades13:44
annegentle_sgordon: ooh shiver13:44
sgordonwe have a generic process/task in the ops guide obviously but each release their are per-project gotchas we need to beat out of the PTLs13:44
annegentle_also ttx makes sure release notes are done13:44
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annegentle_Examples: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ReleaseNotes/Folsom13:45
annegentle_#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ReleaseNotes/Havana13:45
annegentle_^^ those are the ones for this release13:45
uvirtbotannegentle_: Error: "^" is not a valid command.13:45
annegentle_so far Keystone has the best start13:45
annegentle_do you have suggestions for how/if we should help? I sense that we have good data from DocImpact13:46
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annegentle_I'll let you all read for a bit :)13:46
nerminaannegentle_, this should be ready for the release, no doubt. we need to try to interview ptls.13:47
NickChaseI'm actually putting together a "what's new in Havana" piece and having the devil's own time getting information13:47
AJaegerannegentle_, shouldn't we add a section about Documentation up there as well and point out the new manuals?13:47
NickChaseword is the release notes aren't guaranteed until the 17th13:47
annegentle_NickChase: yes it's not easy, please do figure out how to use that in the official rel notes13:47
annegentle_AJaeger: oh great idea13:47
annegentle_NickChase: right not at all13:48
annegentle_AJaeger: are you up for that or do you want me to do it?13:48
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AJaegerWhat about I'll do the first shot - and you clean up afterwards?13:48
NickChaseannegentle_: use what in the release notes?  "Whats new" or docimpact?13:48
annegentle_NickChase: it's a judgement call, but docimpact is a great starting point to look for new features13:49
annegentle_NickChase: blueprints for each project is also a good way to spelunk13:49
NickChaseblueprints is what we're doing, actually13:49
annegentle_NickChase: and mostly it's about new features and pitfalls/gotchas13:49
NickChasein fact, I have an update meeting on that in 10 minutes. :)13:49
annegentle_NickChase: heh13:49
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NickChasethere were several hundred to wade through. :(13:49
annegentle_NickChase: right, I know how it is -- and this release is staggering13:50
nerminaget on their agendas and let them talk about items point by point13:50
NickChasenermina: if necessary; but they're so busy I don't know if we'll even be able to.13:51
NickChasebut I'll have a better idea fater this next meeting.13:51
nerminathey do meet on irc :)13:51
annegentle_nermina: yes that's always helpful, also an easier catchall is the weekly release meeting on Tuesdays at 4:00 CST13:51
sgordonfwiw i have been tasked independently with going through nova blueprints13:51
NickChaseafter, even. :)13:51
sgordonthere are ~90 of them implemented for havana13:51
NickChasenermina:  details, details. :)  good idea, thanks.13:51
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sgordonbut i can probably put together a reasonable "this is what's new" at least for that project13:51
annegentle_my sense of the doc bugs is that they could be grouped, like all Xen, all Neutron, and we use tags for that13:51
annegentle_so I feel good about the release (other than the usual nervousness about the install guide)13:52
NickChasesgordon: I would be eternally grateful13:52
annegentle_any questions about doc bugs, docimpact? release notes?13:52
koolhead17NickChase: http://status.openstack.org/release/ << this is your friend13:52
annegentle_sgordon: oh there's a good idea13:52
NickChasekoolkead17: yes, that's what we're using, thanks. :)13:53
sgordonannegentle_, perhaps worth picking up a project each if people are free? a lot of the blueprints are low-quality in terms of detail but the groupings quickly become obvious13:53
annegentle_koolhead17: it's still intimidating as hell to try to distill :)13:53
koolhead17annegentle_: hahaha13:53
annegentle_sgordon: yes, great idea13:53
nerminasgordon, good idea13:53
annegentle_sgordon: which did you already do?13:53
sgordonannegentle_, working through nova13:53
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NickChasegreat idea13:54
sgordoni dumped the list of implemented blueprints and a spreadsheet and am working on grouping them up into areas13:54
annegentle_sgordon: oh yeah nova (I need to read better!) :)13:54
sgordonlike "cells", "scheduler" etc13:54
annegentle_sgordon: great idea13:54
annegentle_I'll take glance13:54
NickChaseI think we are doing Neutron13:54
annegentle_#action sgordon to share patterns for nova13:54
annegentle_#action annegentle to dive into glance new features for release notes13:54
NickChaseThat is, i think that's what I'm going to see shortly13:54
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annegentle_#action NickChase deep dive into Neutron new features13:55
annegentle_I like it13:55
annegentle_Ok, let's circle back next week with our findings? Sound good?13:55
annegentle_anyone else want swift?13:55
annegentle_ceilometer? heat?13:55
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nerminai could take ceilometer13:55
summerlongNickChase: since am working on the Image chapter, will look at those new features13:55
annegentle_#action nermina to study ceilometer features for rel notes13:55
NickChasesummerlong: thank you13:55
annegentle_summerlong: ok great13:55
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annegentle_#action summerlong to look at Glance new features (not annegentle)13:56
annegentle_how do I cancel a previous action? Hrmity13:56
NickChasemaybe #inaction ?  (sorry, jk)13:56
sgordoni think13:56
annegentle_#undo #action annegentle to dive into glance new features for release notes13:56
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annegentle_koolhead17: do you have a list of new Swift featuers already?13:57
annegentle_for 1.9.013:57
koolhead17annegentle_: not yet. i will ping notmyname13:57
annegentle_koolhead17: ok thanks13:57
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annegentle_#action koolhead17 to ask Swift PTL notmyname for feature set for release notes13:58
annegentle_ok, we're nearing top of the hour and I want to open it up13:58
annegentle_wait, summit planning13:58
annegentle_#topic Summit planning13:58
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annegentle_I'll be in Hong Kong, and we have 4 slots for docs13:58
koolhead17annegentle_: is there deadline for getting the notes?13:59
koolhead17like a day or two brfore 17th correct13:59
annegentle_I reserved one for translation, Tom has two in for restructure and automation, then Everett Toews has one about documenting app dev resources13:59
NickChasewhich would be next Tuesday's meeting13:59
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annegentle_koolhead17: yes, Oct 15th would be grand, most other PTLs sound like they're aiming for Oct 1714:00
annegentle_NickChase: yep14:00
koolhead17annegentle_: thanks14:00
annegentle_so, if you won't be in hong kong, do send blueprints for discussion on the list14:00
annegentle_like Diane and AJaeger are doing, those are good examples14:00
annegentle_and I'd be glad to get more proposals for the summit14:01
annegentle_not to look too far ahead with the release barrelling at us :)14:01
sgordonsummer and i will both be in hong kong, still working out scheduling myself :)14:01
annegentle_sgordon: WOO!14:01
annegentle_our slot is first thing after the keynotes Tues14:01
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annegentle_Ok, sorry to go over, I'll open it up to discussion in #openstack-doc so that the training team can meet14:02
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garykhi, you guys aaround for the scheduling meeting15:01
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MikeSpreitzerI am15:01
garykcool. lets give the others a few min to join15:02
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garykok, guess here goes15:03
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garyk#startmeeting scheduling15:03
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garykover the last week Yathi, Mike and Debu have been working on what we discussed last week15:04
MikeSpreitzerBTW, https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Scheduler points to "Scheduler" meetings, not "Scheduling"15:04
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garykoops. my bad15:04
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garyk#startmeeting Scheduler15:04
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MikeSpreitzerBTW, same mistake was made several weeks in the past; can we add pointer at https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Scheduler ?15:05
garykhopefully that will be better (sorry for missing it)15:05
MikeSpreitzerOtherwise people will not find typescripts from those meetings.15:05
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garyki am not really sure about how to do that. on the mail list i have sent links to the summary of the meetings. maybe that will help15:05
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garykso over the last week Ytahi, Mike and Debu have been working on https://docs.google.com/document/d/17OIiBoIavih-1y4zzK0oXyI66529f-7JTCVj-BcXURA/edit?usp=sharing15:06
PaulMurrayhi - sorry I'm late15:06
MikeSpreitzerIt's better than nothing, but people should not have to search the mail archive to find pointers that belong in the wiki15:06
garykMikeSpreitzer: agreed. my bad15:06
MikeSpreitzerOK, 'nuff said here15:07
MikeSpreitzerOn with the interesting discussion!15:07
garykdo people want to discuss the above and the ideas proposed15:07
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MikeSpreitzerAs you see in the ML, I do. Is Sylvia here?15:07
garykin addition to this i think that we need to make sure that russellb is aware of the etherpad with the suggested summit talks15:07
YathiI shared a document yesterday on the instance group model15:07
Yathi#link https://docs.google.com/document/d/17OIiBoIavih-1y4zzK0oXyI66529f-7JTCVj-BcXURA/edit?usp=sharing15:07
YathiI am not share if you had a chance to look at it yet15:08
MikeSpreitzerI'm sorry, I meant Sylvain15:08
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garykYathi: its the same one - no idea why the link is different15:08
PhilDI did e-mail Russell to let him know about the etherpad, and he liked the Idea of us trying to pre-consolidate the sessions15:08
garykPhilD: thanks!15:08
garykit would just be great f we can follow up and see if it is on his radar15:09
PhilDWe currently hav 7 sessions on the pad which I suspect may be too many - so many a good topic for next wee would be to see if we can consolidate some15:09
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MikeSpreitzerWhere is that pad?15:09
Yathigaryk: this is the new document I wrote yesterday with some updates to the model so I called Version 2.0 of the proposal15:09
garykYathi: thanks15:09
PhilDI'll ping him again to see if we can get a quota of scheduler sessions ;-)15:10
garykok, should we disucss the doc and then process to discussing consolidating sessions15:10
YathiUpdates are based on what we discussed last week about the API15:10
garykPhilD: thanks15:10
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garyk#topic Instance groups model and extension15:10
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MikeSpreitzerSo I started some discussion in the ML; last is a response from Sylvain.15:10
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garykYathi, would you or MikeSpreitzer like to explain for thoise who did noy het a chance to read15:10
MikeSpreitzer(deferring to author)15:11
Yathiok thanks15:11
Yathihere is the link again15:11
Yathi#link https://docs.google.com/document/d/17OIiBoIavih-1y4zzK0oXyI66529f-7JTCVj-BcXURA/edit?usp=sharing15:11
YathiI will provide a brief summary now15:12
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YathiInstanceGroup = <IGMembers, IGMemberConnections, IGPolicies, IGMetadata>15:12
debo_ossorry folks, joined late!15:13
YathiIGMember can be an InstanceGroup itself, or an instance15:13
garykdebo_os: np. Yathi is explaing in brief the doc15:13
YathiHere in the Nova context, an instance refers to a VM15:13
Yathibut in the generic sense it refers to any virtual resource15:13
Yathian IGPolicy applies to either an InstanceGroup as a whole or just a IGMemberConnection15:13
garykso that could be a disk/network/..15:13
Yathigaryk: yeah that is the idea15:14
Yathiand an IGMemberConnection is an edge between two nodes i.e. two IGMembers15:14
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Yathialso, IGPolicy refers to a named policy, which is implemented separately in such a way that is understandable by the engine that does the scheduling, etc15:15
Yathioutside the scope of this API doc15:15
YathiIGMetadata - is a key,value pair dictionary to capture any additional metadata15:15
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YathiI guess this captures the idea we discussed last week15:16
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YathiAny thoughts ?15:16
MikeSpreitzerI have some questions about the class diagram, and the interaction pattern with the client15:16
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MikeSpreitzerWhy one black diamond, not all black?15:17
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YathiMikeSpreitzer: Okay good point.. something yet to think about.. this was based on the idea of the lifecycle of a InstanceGroup15:18
MikeSpreitzerof course....15:19
Yathiif you delete an instanceGroup, an IGPolicy can still stay - as it could apply to another InstanceGroup15:19
YathiI guess that was my thinking15:19
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MikeSpreitzerAn InstanceGroupPolicy is just a reference to a policy, an it is a reference in service of one particular InstanceGroup15:19
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MikeSpreitzerSo if the InstanceGroup goes away, there is no need to keep that reference15:20
garykAt the moment when the istance group is deleted we mark the policy for the group as deleted. it is currently not reusable15:20
YathiWell I considered policy as a first class citizen15:20
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Yathiso one policy could apply to multiple InstanceGroup15:20
MikeSpreitzerI think your proposal separates policy definitions and policy references...15:20
Yathiit is a reference to a named policy15:20
MikeSpreitzerPolicy definitions are out of scope, policy references are in scope and each serves just one group15:21
MikeSpreitzerOr maybe I misunderstand the diagram..15:21
MikeSpreitzerdo you propose multiple groups will contain the exact same reference object?15:21
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MikeSpreitzerNo, I think not15:22
MikeSpreitzerEach reference is part of just one group15:22
debo_osMike: for now if we provide references arent they  good enough for an abstraction15:22
MikeSpreitzerdebo_os: not sure I understand your point.15:23
MikeSpreitzerI'm just saying each reference is part of just one group, so should be deleted with the group15:23
debo_ossince a policy could be referenced just by a name/reference ....15:24
MikeSpreitzer(wow, I thought this would be a quick and easy point, put off the bigger stone to later)15:24
YathiI agree this is a reference in the InstanceGroup context15:24
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debo_osdeleting the policy could be part of the implemnetation for now15:24
Yathibut why can't this reference be re-used..15:24
YathiI agree with debo_os this is implementation specific15:24
MikeSpreitzerNo, I am not proposing to delete the policy with a referencing group, just the reference15:24
garykat the moment the refence is the id of the instance group15:24
garykwe will need to redesign that15:25
Yathigaryk:  you nailed it15:25
Yathimy thoughts are clear now15:25
Yathiyes they can all be black diamonds :)15:25
MikeSpreitzerOK, great, let's move on.15:26
MikeSpreitzerWhy are there integer IDs eveywhere?  Do not the UUIDs suffice?15:26
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garykMikeSpreitzer: the keys in the db were id's - that is the pattern in nova15:26
Yathiinteger ID is from the DB id15:26
MikeSpreitzerSo is this ID unique within the whole DB?15:27
garykyes, that is, for for the instance groups15:27
MikeSpreitzerWhy are there also UUIDs then?15:27
garykall of the access is actually done via uuids15:27
garykgive me a sec and i'll paste where this is done15:28
MikeSpreitzerI'm confused.  Integers are the keys but access is via UUID?15:28
garykMikeSpreitzer: https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/nova/db/sqlalchemy/api.py#L5686 (this is an implementation detail). i suggest that we take it offline15:29
garykunless you think that it is something blocking the discussion at the moment15:29
MikeSpreitzerno, let's go on15:29
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garykPhilD: alaski: did you guys manage to read the doc? what do you think?15:30
Yathiok.. so do you agree with the updated model ? any votes ?15:30
garykYathi: i personally like it.15:30
MikeSpreitzerSo I think Yathi's proposal has a client go through three phases: (1) create resources without scheduling, (2) present groups and policies to service for joint scheduling, then (3) activate resources.  Right?15:30
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debo_osgaryk: yathi: I think its a gr8 start ...and abstract yet enough to fold into nova for now15:31
Yathiyeah that is the model here with the instance group proposal..15:31
garykat the moment (well, the code that did not get through) was as follows:15:32
garyk1. the user would create an instance group15:32
garyk2. the user assigns a policy15:32
alaskigaryk: I've read the doc but haven't had time to digest it yet, too many other things going on.  But it seems that y'all are hashing it out pretty well so I'll defer to you for now15:32
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debo_osmike: your 3 point summmary looks accurate to me15:32
garyk3. when deploying the instance a hint is passed with the group id15:32
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garyk4 the scheduler updates the instance group for future use15:33
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garykit is very rudimentary and only works with anti-affinity. we have yet to address other complex conifgs15:33
MikeSpreitzerSo I think we can make a simpler API, with just two phases.15:33
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iqsterIs there a phase 0 to determine if resources exist apriori?15:34
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MikeSpreitzerIn the first phase the client presents groups and policies and resources, the service creates resources and does joint scheduling; second phase, the client activates the resources.15:34
Yathiphase 1 of registering a instance group could possibly include existing resources isn't it15:34
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MikeSpreitzerWe want UPDATE as well as CREATE, and we need the ability to relate to pre-existing external(to the group) things.15:35
MikeSpreitzerBut no phase 0 needed, those functionalities are part of main line.15:36
debo_osmike: update is definitely needed, but the semantics of the update need to be worked out for the general case - topology15:36
YathiMike: while creating a group, you provide the member uuids - this member could potentially be already present.. I guess we understand this ?15:36
MikeSpreitzerFor CREATE, you do not put existing things in the new group; for UPDATE, you can refer to group members that were created previously.15:37
alaskiOne thing I'm curious about is how to start an instance group.  So far I've seen policies like anti-affinity or affinity but they all rely on something already in place.  Do instance groups not cover placement decisions except in relation to other resources?15:37
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MikeSpreitzerThat's all that I have proposed.15:38
MikeSpreitzerIn the private cloud you could go further, and allow references to physical things15:38
garykalaski: that is something that we would like to address.15:38
alaskiMikeSpreitzer: private cloud, or admin facing API15:39
alaskigaryk: cool15:39
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MikeSpreitzerBTW, affinity does not require sequencing.  We can make a joint decision about how to place two things with affinity.15:39
alaskiMikeSpreitzer: fair point15:39
garykat the moment we are trying to get the basic primitives in. once we have them then we can start to build the models that Mike mentions (or that is my take at th emoment)\15:39
YathiInstanceGroup is the starting point.. the decisions are made as a whole in the next step15:39
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debo_osWould love to deal with sequencing later ... also not sure if we should leave that to the implementation (plugin/extension)15:40
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Yathipolicies give guidelines for making these decisions15:40
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MikeSpreitzerOK, I thought we wanted to start with making joint decisions15:40
debo_osmike: we do once we have absorbed the basic primitives (within nova say) ...15:41
alaskiI just want to understand if the intention is to cover something like references to physical things, or if that will always be out of scope.15:41
MikeSpreitzerOK, I'm adjusting my thinking...15:41
debo_osalaski: virtual or physical should be both covered with theabstraction15:41
debo_ossay you have baremetal ...15:41
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MikeSpreitzeralaski: I think that in the public cloud, the user does not know physical things and the admin does not know user's input15:41
debo_osits still a property of a node15:41
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MikeSpreitzeralaski: so neither can state affiinity between virtual resource and physical.  This is not about baremetal...15:42
debo_osmike: one can provide the hint that the tenant needs a physical but then its for later :)15:42
alaskiMikeSpreitzer: right, our use case is more for admin/qe testing of new cells and how they can place builds there.  Just curious if instance groups will help with that15:42
MikeSpreitzerFor baremetal, just think of it as a very thin hypervisor15:42
iqsterdrilling more into alaski's question .. presumably, one needs to give ids to preexisting physical resources15:42
iqsterHow are these discovered?15:43
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Yathialaski: you can group them up and assign a policy that it needs a physical15:44
MikeSpreitzeralaski: can you elaborate on "admin/qe testing of new cells" — I am not sure I understand.15:44
alaskiMikeSpreitzer: add a new cell to the infrastructure and have admins or qe send builds there before public users can15:45
MikeSpreitzerAh, thanks15:45
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alogaalaski: cannot you do that with availability zones?15:45
MikeSpreitzerNew to me, but thinking on my feet, I think that could be handled by affinity to physical stuff.15:45
alogawe are doing such a think with availability zones, aggregates and flavor metadata15:46
alaskialoga: potentially, though cells don't work with AZs right now15:46
alogai think that exposing anything about the underlying resources to the end users is a bad idea15:46
MikeSpreitzerthat needs to get sorted out anyway15:46
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alaskiMikeSpreitzer: agreed.  I'm still not convinced it's the best solution to the issue though.15:47
MikeSpreitzerright, normal end users would not see physical stuff, but I think admins are already different in many APIs15:47
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alaskiBut it sounds like it's not part of the instance groups scope, at least not for the moment.15:47
alogaMikeSpreitzer: yeah, I meant plain users15:47
aloganot admin-api15:47
debo_osalaski: maybe we should have an admin API which should decide whether to allow for hints like physical15:47
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alaskidebo_os: that's what I'm wondering.  I think it would be helpful15:48
MikeSpreitzerMore like authorization issue, I think, no need for different API15:48
alaskithat works too15:48
alaskiI just didn't know if it fit the model that's being discussed15:48
MikeSpreitzerI mean, syntax is the same, just different references allowd15:48
debo_osalaski: I think we should eventually add an admin API too to address some of these ....15:48
Yathidebo_os: in our scope - hint == policy right ?15:48
debo_osreferences :)15:49
garyki think that we also need time to discuss consolidation of the scheduling talks15:49
garykis it ok that we do a context switch?15:49
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MikeSpreitzergaryk: can you elaborate on the issue?  Switch OK with me.15:50
alaskiok with me.  Hope I didn't derail too much, jumped in a bit late and uninformed15:50
YathiOK.. I guess this InstanceGroup discussion will continue next week15:50
MikeSpreitzerand in ML?15:50
Yathiand please feel free to comment offline and the core collaborators feel free to edit the doc15:50
iqsterI see an id field in the InstanceGroupMember ... how does one generate such IDs for non-virtual resources? we can discuss next week and maybe i'll understand better then15:50
garykMikeSpreitzer: not really sure i understood your question. i guess we could continue on the ML15:50
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MikeSpreitzergaryk: right15:51
garykiqster: the id is just to link it to the instance_group15:51
Yathiiqster: we need to persist the InstanceGroupMember reference too. hence the id15:51
MikeSpreitzeriqster: their integer ID is like UUIDs in our code, it is record key in the DB15:51
Yathithat reference could be to a non-virtual resource15:51
garyk#topic summit talks - https://etherpad.openstack.org/IceHouse-Nova-Scheduler-Sessions15:52
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garykPhilD: any idea on which talks we can merge?15:53
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debo_osmaybe we should have an API session?15:53
MikeSpreitzerSchedulng accross Services and Smart Resource Placement is an easy merge15:53
garykan api session would be great.15:53
debo_osi had put in a placeholder for smart resosource placement since it would be important15:53
alogaMikeSpreitzer: +115:53
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garykCan you guys please update the etherpad with the new suggestions15:54
MikeSpreitzerSorry, forgot to do that.15:54
MikeSpreitzerI have a summit proposal on the main site for those15:54
garykI am sorry but I need to leave now (i have a lift that is waiting for me). sorry for the curveball.15:54
Yathisure.. they are all applicable under the smart resource placement proposal15:54
MikeSpreitzerBut I think I'm just asking for that meged session15:54
garykAnyone know if the endmeeting can be done by someone else?15:54
MikeSpreitzerBTW, Scheduler Performance  is also relevant15:55
alaskigaryk: if you #chair someone I think they can end it15:55
garykyes, the perf is very relevant15:55
MikeSpreitzerI think we need shared cache of state15:55
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debo_osso ideally we need the 3 components: API, samrt placement and cache15:55
PhilD@Garry - Sorry, got caught up into something else.   Re consolidation sessions, can we pick that up next week ?15:55
garyk#char alaski15:55
debo_osand performance if we have another slot15:55
garyk#chair alaski15:55
openstackCurrent chairs: alaski garyk15:55
MikeSpreitzeryes, pick up next week15:55
Yathi#link https://docs.google.com/document/d/1IiPI0sfaWb1bdYiMWzAAx0HYR6UqzOan_Utgml5W1HI/edit?usp=sharing15:56
garykalaski: is that ok with ou15:56
alaskigaryk: yep, thanks15:56
Yathithis doc points to related blueprints for smart resource placement15:56
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debo_osok do we have 4 slots?15:56
debo_oshten we could fit all API, smartplace, cache, perf15:56
Yathithe in-memory state work by Boris and co also are required for the global state repo15:56
debo_osif we have 3 slots, we probably should merge the perf in the cache and smartplace15:57
MikeSpreitzerI'd like to see that merge anyway15:57
debo_osalaski: how many slots could we get15:57
debo_oswe need 3 ideally15:57
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debo_osmike: then lets shoot for 3 and have perf as a component in each of cache and smartplace15:58
alaskidebo_os: I'm not sure.  It's going to depend a bit on how many other sessions are proposed, but I'll talk to Russell about getting 315:58
PhilDI said earlier that I'd ask Russell to see if we can get a quota for scheduling.    I think 3 is a real minimum, we really need more liek 5 or 6 to cover all the topics15:58
russellb3 seems reasonable15:58
russellb5 or 6 will depend on what else is proposed15:58
debo_osrusselb: awesome15:58
russellbreally don't know yet15:58
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debo_osrusselb: 3 should get us started15:59
russellbroughly the same number of time slots as the last summit15:59
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debo_oshave one placeholder already15:59
russellb1 extra i think15:59
MikeSpreitzer3 is probably minimum15:59
PhilDIf you look at what's already on the either pad I think 3 would be very tight.  I really want to avoid last times issue of trying to do 10 subjects in one session15:59
MikeSpreitzerWe'll probably think of at least one more once we start thinking carefully15:59
debo_osrusselb: then 3 for starters and 1-2 if possible ... performance, maybe a deep dive on policies16:00
alaskiWhy don't we try to narrow down as much as possible with a rough ordering, and see what we can get16:00
russellbPhilD: yes, me too16:00
debo_osI think a deep dive on policies might be very important to let people know what could be done as we move along16:00
PhilDAnd some of the scheduler work in H really seemed to stall because we didn't have a clear way ahead coming out of the summit16:00
russellbI'd rather defer stuff to mailing list discussions than pack too much into 1 time slot16:00
MikeSpreitzerlet's continue making the list next week, just let Russell know that we'd like more than 3 if possible16:01
alaskiCool.  We'll pick this up next week.16:01
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alaskiThanks everyone16:01
debo_osgr8 meeting!16:01
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ayoungMost Keystone.18:00
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gyeeall keystone18:00
dolphmgyee: bknudson: o/18:00
bknudsondolphm: hi18:00
dolphmhenrynash is out today18:00
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bknudsonI got my passport so am good to go to HK18:01
lbragstadbknudson: +118:01
dolphmooh, i should look for mine :(18:01
ayoungbknudson, I uypdated mine a year ago.18:01
ayoungdolphm, yeah, make sure it is up to date18:01
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ayoungthat goes for everyone.18:01
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* ayoung leared the hard way on a trip a year or so ago18:01
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dolphmlots of oslo.db talk on the agenda, otherwise i suspect this will be a short meeting18:02
dolphmstevemar: o/18:02
dolphm#startmeeting keystone18:02
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dolphm#topic Havana18:03
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dolphmso, i wanted to quickly announce that i suspect we'll have an RC218:03
gyeebknudson, you ever figure out why the tests are failing?18:03
gyeefor you oslo.db patch I mean18:03
ayoungdolphm, do we have a page for RC2 yet?18:03
dolphmwe have a low-impact security vulnerability introduced in havana that we should be able to fix fairly easily18:03
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dolphmayoung: no18:03
bknudsongyee: yes, it's on the meeting agenda18:03
bknudsondeleting a user at the same time as deleting a role18:03
dolphmi'd also like to get the mysql/db2 issues resolved in havana18:04
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gyeeso we are running the tests in parallel? I had the same concern with jamielennox patch too18:04
dolphmi'm not currently aware of anything else that *needs* to land in rc218:04
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dolphm#topic Havana release notes18:04
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jamielennoxme? which patch?18:04
stevemargyee: is there anyway we can run those tests in parallel to see if it fails?18:04
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bknudsonthe tests are run in parallel, but obviously customers can do the same thing.18:05
dolphmmost of the release notes are filled in, except for the multi-ldap backend issue18:05
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dolphm#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ReleaseNotes/Havana18:05
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stevemarjamielennox: gyee is referring to assertRequestHeader18:05
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gyeestevemar, jamielennox, yes that 118:05
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jamielennoxthat should be ok, the tests are parallel but they are still sequential per-process so last_request() should always work18:06
bknudsonwe've got the best release notes.18:06
bknudsonour PTL is really doing his job.18:06
dolphmbknudson: so far!18:06
dolphmi tried to start a bit early18:06
gyeeyeah, nice notes!18:06
ayoungdolphm, our goal is to keep you doing it so none of us have to18:06
dolphmsince, you know, we were the first project to hit RC1 and all, we had extra time to spare18:06
dolphmayoung: ++18:06
gyeeextra time is such a foreign concept18:07
dolphm#topic keystoneclient18:07
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dolphmon the topic of no extra time18:07
dolphm0.3.3 is sort of hung up on a few code reviews that aren't moving very fast18:07
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dolphmany one of those would probably warrant an immediate release18:08
ayoungso...we've put shardy on the spot making him do a tempest test for a client change18:08
stevemari'm faily certain it's just jamielennox doing reviews :P18:08
dolphmso if one merges and the others are still stalled, i'll be cutting a release anyway18:08
ayoungthe short of it is:  we have no way to test client changes against a live server unless we use tempest.18:08
ayoungso:  new rule...all changes to keystone client that should be tested against a live server should have a tempest test18:08
ayoungand...I'll try to get an example one out there shortly18:08
dolphmthat's not really relevant for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/35403/18:09
gyeeayoung, would it be a chicken-egg issue?18:09
gyeeI presume its a conditional approval18:09
dolphmwhich i think has nearly sufficient unit tests18:09
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ayounggyee, that is exactly the term I use to describe it, but we have an approach18:09
ayoungin the start of the test, check to see if the client supports the feature,. if not, rais a Skip exception18:10
dolphmooh, i should also point out that the next release of keystoneclient will likely be 0.4.0, not 0.3.318:10
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bknudsonnew features?18:10
dolphmdue to our new dependency on oslo.config 1.218:10
jamielennoxdolphm: so regarding the TZ patch should we be looking to make some changes ourselves or wait for original authors?18:10
dolphmjamielennox: i'm down for either -- there was a comment by brant that i wasn't comfortable addressing without at least feedback from the original author18:11
dolphm#topic oslo.db18:11
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dolphmbknudson: all yours18:12
dolphmthere's a bunch of notes on the meeting agenda to get everyone on the same page- https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/KeystoneMeeting#Agenda_for_next_meeting18:12
ayounghttps://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/python-keystoneclient,n,z  looks pretty well supported.  THere are 6 reviews up there with nothing in the R column for me, and two of them are WIP.18:12
bknudsonok, so I'm working on using oslo.db rather than our own18:12
bknudsonyes, read the notes.18:12
ayoungdolphm, before we do that, client issues all resovled?18:12
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bknudsonanyway, using oslo.db seems to be going pretty well, you can see the changes.18:13
dolphmayoung: i just want to make sure the patches in keystoneclient have traction18:13
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bknudsonBase class only has 1 thing it it now which is just forwarding get_session.18:13
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bknudsondolphm: I think all my comments in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/35403/ should be easy to make. Not asking for a rewrite or anything.18:14
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dolphmoslo.db reviews: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/keystone+branch:master+topic:oslo.db,n,z18:14
bknudsonso, using oslo.db turned up some timing issues.18:14
bknudsonlet me find the code...18:14
dolphmayoung: gyee: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/49655/18:15
jamielennoxdolphm: re client - if I can figure out what cody is on about i wouldn't mind: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/49106/ being in 0.418:15
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bknudsoncheckin handler does _thread_yield18:15
jamielennoxdolphm: depends how quickly you wnat to cut it18:15
dolphmjamielennox: ping me after the meeting, i can help there18:15
bknudsonso what can happen is, we're deleting a role18:15
bknudsonand while deleting a role some other request to delete a user with that role18:16
ayoungis that a dupe? couldve sworn I already ACKed that18:16
bknudsonnow delete role gets 404 Not Found18:16
bknudsonI think we did talk about this, and decided in general it was ok to not find a user18:16
bknudsonso that operation shouldn't fail18:16
ayoungbknudson, that is correct18:16
bknudsonbut I wanted to make sure with others before I go removing that stuff.18:16
dolphmin the separation between identity and assignment, i'd say that's fair18:16
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ayoungin general, things in assignments should not depend on things in identity being there18:17
lbragstadNotFound: Object not found 2013-10-07 21:31:18.422 | Details: {"error": {"message": "Could not find user, be547582b3c541dda71dc202f9acc153.", "code": 404, "title": "Not Found"}}18:17
ayoungfor Federated, they are *not* going to be there18:17
bknudsondolphm: ok, how about the cases where both in assignment?18:17
bknudsonI posed the code in assignment delete_grant: https://github.com/openstack/keystone/blob/master/keystone/assignment/backends/sql.py#L16918:17
dolphmbknudson: both what?18:17
gyeeboth in the same backend store?18:18
bknudsonyou could delete a project at the same time as delete a role18:18
ayoungbknudson, deleting a role should cascade delete all assignments.18:18
ayoungdeleting a project the same18:18
ayoungif that comes in while someone else is attempting to delete...404 is appropriate18:18
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ayoungits an ACID issue18:18
ayoungyou tried to delete something that is already gone.18:18
dolphmwhere are we handling the consequences of the project delete, for example? (deleting the role assignments on that project)18:19
bknudsonfor assignment sql backend, could handle by doing the deletes in the same translaction.18:19
dolphmin the manager or driver?18:19
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ayoungbknudson, that would be a good approach18:20
ayoungLDAP can't do it all in one transaction, but that is likely to be fairly rare18:21
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bknudsonright, we were going to deprecate LDAP assignments.18:21
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ayoungbknudson, not any more18:21
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ayoungCERN specifically asked for them to stay around18:21
dolphmbknudson: *were* CERN said please no18:21
ayoungsaid that LDAP was the only thing that would scale like they needed it18:21
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dolphmjoe-savak: i suspect rax would object as well? ^18:22
ayoungmorganfainberg, yep18:22
bknudsonmaybe they need no-sql mongodb18:22
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morganfainberg(sorry, just got back to my desk, been a hectic week, here now)18:22
joe-savakdolphm - yes - we use LDAP only for our backend18:22
dolphmjoe-savak: i mean long term18:22
bknudsonjoe-savak: is keystone configured with read-write?18:22
ayoungjoe-savak, but you also need multidomain,  right?18:22
joe-savakit is configured with read-write - and we have multi-domain implmeneted as a rax 2.0 extension (moving to v3 next year)18:23
joe-savakand yes, it will be there long-term as we have 190k+ users and LDAP meets our needs well18:23
ayoungjoe-savak, is each domain in its own subtree a viable apporach for you guys?18:23
joe-savakayoung - let me take that back to our ldap guy. Not sure18:23
gyeeayoung, that's a typical LDAP deployment, domain map to a subtree18:24
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morganfainberggyee, that seems like an accurate assessment18:25
ayounggyee, you know that and I know that, but I'm not sure that RAX knows that18:25
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ayoungthe previous impl had a domain attribute....18:25
dolphmbknudson: so, the oslo.db stuff started because of the db2 handling fix -- is that still separate somewhere?18:25
dolphmbknudson: or will that be on top of this patch?18:26
bknudsondolphm: the db2 handling fix will not be needed when we switch to oslo.db18:26
dolphmbknudson: oh cool18:26
ayoungdolphm, as part of the oslo.db code, do we get the start of alembic migrations merged in?18:26
dolphmbknudson: what about havana then?18:26
bknudsondolphm: so the db2 changes are still there, hoping to be backported to havana.18:26
bknudsondolphm: It's just this one https://review.openstack.org/#/c/49272/18:27
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dolphmbknudson: we can propose things to milestone-proposed after they land in master18:27
dolphmfor havana rc2/final18:27
bknudsondolphm: I'll do that!18:27
dolphmbknudson: /salute18:27
bknudsonso I'd like https://review.openstack.org/#/c/49272/ to get in before the oslo.db change18:28
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dolphmwhich depends on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/49270/18:28
bknudsonalso, the disconnect fix is in oslo-incubator, so I'd like that to merge first, too.18:28
dolphmwhich also needs to be in milestone-proposed, i think18:28
bknudsonyes, it turns out that our mysql disconnect handler didn't work at all either.18:28
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morganfainbergbknudson, ouch.18:29
dolphmi'd love to get that bit merged to both master and milestone-proposed today18:29
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dolphmmorganfainberg: gyee: ayoung: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/49270/18:29
bknudsonI'll cherry-pick the changes to milestone-proposed18:30
ayoungwhat is dbapi?18:30
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ayoung dbapi_conn?18:30
gyee1 line change, 58 lines of test, love these patches!18:30
bknudsongyee: the 1 line change was required because there was no test18:31
ayounggyee, yeag...but are the tests now mysql specific?18:31
ayoungor is the mysql in the comment just spurious?18:31
joe-savakayoung - fyi - all domains are in one subtree today - we are looking to split it out though18:32
morganfainbergerrro 2006 is mysql specific iirc18:32
gyeeayoung, can't tell by looking at it18:32
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ayoungjoe-savak, sounds good.  I can work wityh you on that18:32
gyeeI mean can't tell if they are mysql specific18:32
ayoungbknudson, is this test my_sql specific?18:32
morganfainbergthis test appears to be mysql specific as it calls sql.mysql_on_checkout18:33
bknudsonayoung: dbapi_conn is a database connection, see https://review.openstack.org/#/c/49270/3/keystone/common/sql/core.py18:33
bknudsonitdoes dbapi_conn.cursor().execute('select 1') and dbapi_conn.OperationalError18:33
ayoungbknudson, "Simulates the dbapi_conn passed to mysql_on_checkout."18:33
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bknudsonayoung: the test isn't really mysql-specific, but it tests the mysql-specific checkout handler.18:34
dolphmmorganfainberg: in bknudson's revised implementation that could just be renamed to ping_on_checkout or something18:34
morganfainbergbknudson, does pgsql (or anything else) have the same mechanics?18:34
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morganfainbergdolphm, nod. i see that now.18:34
ayoungbknudson, what happens if you run a live PostGresql test?18:34
bknudsondolphm: morganfainberg: that change is in oslo.db!18:34
* ayoung and morganfainberg on same wavelength18:35
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bknudsonayoung: the listener isn't registered with postgresql18:35
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bknudsonit's looking for mysql-specific exception18:35
dolphmi've never run into 'mysql server has gone away' with postgresql (nor db2 for that matter ;P)18:35
morganfainbergdolphm, heh18:36
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ayoungdolphm, well...it looks like the live tests are broken anyway18:37
morganfainbergayoung, i am guessing other DBs would need special handling for the different error cases/codes18:37
ayoungNoSuchOptError: no such option: policy_file18:37
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ayoungthat happens because the policy backend registers its own config option, and that is not pulled in by the tests18:37
bknudsonayoung: that problem was fixed in other places by importing somthing...18:37
dolphmmorganfainberg: IF their client libraries expose you to the same issue18:38
morganfainbergdolphm, yeah.18:38
bknudsonHere's the change in oslo.db: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/48733/18:38
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bknudsonit's failing Jenkins because of a requirements change that hasn't merged.18:38
dolphmbknudson: it seems as though all of IBM is rushing to fix this issue18:38
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bknudsondolphm: it was found & reported internally so we're trying to fix it.18:39
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dolphm#topic open discussion18:40
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gyeejaimelennox, see my comment on the access key auth patch?18:41
jamielennoxgyee: not as yet18:41
fabiog#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/46771/18:42
gyeeboth HP and RAX have access key auth support prior to KSL18:42
gyeeso this is not something new18:42
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ayounggyee, should that be tied in with the credentials backend?18:42
gyeewe are just trying to bring back that capability18:42
gyeeayoung, it is using cred backend18:42
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jamielennoxgyee: i've been doing too much crypto - i saw secret keys and started trying to figure out what they were doing18:42
gyeethis patch does not use crypto18:43
gyeejust straight secret comparison18:43
ayounggyee, are these symetrric keysr or aym?18:43
gyeethey are not keys18:43
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gyeejust really long randomly-generate share secrets18:43
ayounggyee, symetric shared secredts18:43
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gyeeright, not recommended for crypto18:44
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ayounggyee, and the driving force behind this is to allow a user to have multiple "passwords"  at once18:44
gyeethey are designed for non-interactive applications18:44
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stevemargyee, fabio, is that the entire spec? or will there be CRUD operations surrounding the access keys?18:44
gyeeayoung, correct, so to make a seamless secret rotation18:44
ayoungstevemar, crud should be in the credential backend18:45
morganfainbergayoung, ++18:45
ayounggyee, I think I can get behind that18:45
gyeetoday, you can't rotate password without service disruption18:45
fabiogayoung: correct18:45
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jamielennoxgyee: ok, that makes sense18:45
gyeebut you can rotate access keys with rolling upgrade18:45
ayounggyee, youi have a comment in there.  Once he's updated, and you've reviewed and feel happy with it, ping us and we'll rip it to shreds18:45
gyeeayoung, cool, thanks18:46
ayoungbut in general I am OK with this18:46
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jamielennoxi think definetly remove the decypher remark and i think that there should be a more explicit the 'unscoped token' is related to the example and not that all tokens are unscoped18:46
jamielennoxbut otherwise it looks good18:46
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ayoungprobably change key to "shared secret" in the wording18:47
dolphmgyee: so the secret is not a secret at all?18:47
joe-savakas secret as a password.18:47
gyeeits a shared secret18:47
gyee"shared" :)18:47
morganfainbergbut not in the crypto sense18:47
morganfainbergoverloaded terms… *runs and hides*18:47
gyeejoe-savak, ++18:47
ayoungyeah, nothing "key" about this, I think18:48
dolphmjoe-savak: i don't consider passwords to be "secret"18:48
joe-savakwhat is yours?18:48
dolphmayoung: +++18:48
stevemarjoe-savak ++18:48
dolphm"access key" is a bit misleading18:48
ayoungspeaking of keys, though, the KDS blueprint needs some work.  I punted to jamielennox to shepherd it, but we are all kindof involved on this one18:48
morganfainbergjoe-savak, *******18:48
gyeeyeah, lets call it shared-secret auth18:48
gyeeI am perfectly fine with it18:48
ayounggyee, +118:48
jamielennoxfabiog: added another comment but it's not that big18:48
dolphmjoe-savak: if i trusted you i'd be happy to give it to you, which is what makes it a *shared* secret18:48
joe-savakoauth then18:49
dolphmjoe-savak: if it was a secret, i wouldn't give it to you even if i trusted you18:49
ayoungKDS really needs to be ready to go for I1 in order to have the other teams make use of it in Icehouse.  We punted on it in Havana18:49
morganfainbergayoung, agreed18:49
jamielennoxayoung: so i was looking through KDS yesterday - other than dolphm's -1 is anyone aware of something 'missing' from KDS?18:49
dolphmgyee: doesn't HP call it "api keys" in v2?18:50
ayoungI asked dolphm to put together a "style guide to the API docs"  link is18:50
dolphm(is that HP-IDM?)18:50
morganfainbergjamielennox, the API speC?18:50
gyeedolphm, yes18:50
jamielennoxmorganfainberg: either18:50
joe-savakRAX calls it API keys as well18:50
gyeeHP need to pick a better name18:50
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jamielennoxmorganfainberg: there is a review as well 'Initial KDS' or something18:50
dolphmgyee: is HP-IDM broken down into access token + secret key?18:50
morganfainbergjamielennox, hrm.  let me look.  i think we've pulled it apart and put it back together a bunch in comments so far.18:50
morganfainbergand it's been a couple weeks since i've looked at it18:51
gyeedolphm, it was called access-key prior to KSL I think18:51
ayoungdolphm, can you post the link to your review request fopr the style  guide?18:51
dolphmjoe-savak: i think rax's implementation is a standard api key though -- there's no second piece of information18:51
joe-savakRAX-KSKEY - username & api-key18:51
dolphmayoung: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/49791/18:51
ayoungdolphm, thanks18:51
jamielennoxright - it appears AWS has this id & secret thing - but i can't see what the advantage is over having user_id + shared secret18:51
ayoungwhat I would like to have happen is that we have a very clear set of guideline on API docs, so we don't spend a lot of churn figuring out what goes where18:52
annegentle_ayoung: is audience not enough?18:52
ayoungthis is a great start.  lets give it a review and make sure it is something we can all understand and support18:52
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annegentle_ayoung: or is it related to "is this a spec or not?"18:52
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ayoungannegentle_, see https://review.openstack.org/#/c/49791/18:52
ayoungwe are talking about the identity API, but I would guess that the standard should be OS wide18:53
annegentle_ayoung: orignally we wanted specs across openstack18:53
bknudsonwe've got both the identity API spec and the Identity API docs... do we need both?18:53
annegentle_ayoung: that's not really happening tho18:53
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ayoungannegentle_, we've gotten kudos for our Identiyt API specs...but there has a been  a huge amoung of effort to get there18:54
annegentle_bknudson: as doc coordinator, I have historically ignored spec work because we just don't have time, and we serve users as a higher priority than devs making APIs18:54
annegentle_ayoung: yes on both18:54
dolphmjamielennox: it's totally different in aws18:54
annegentle_ayoung: but yes, as I indicated, the doc team has to somewhat ignore specs18:54
bknudsonthis has the spec info, too? http://api.openstack.org/api-ref-identity.html18:54
dolphmjamielennox: in aws, i think it's oauth2 or a variation thereof18:54
annegentle_ayoung: you guys were fortunate to have Diane clean up the v218:54
ayoungannegentle_, I'd like to take what dolph wrote for the identity API and make it a stand alone document eventually, but right now I think we most can benefit from the Keystone devs using it as a living doc for what we are doing in identity18:55
annegentle_bknudson: that documents reality with real response/requests18:55
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annegentle_ayoung: sure, you should make your own priorities as well18:55
annegentle_bknudson: if it doesn't document reality it's a doc bug18:55
dolphmjamielennox: the same two terms are used though, which is why this proposal is confusing18:56
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ayoungannegentle_, considering how often we have pointed people at the curl examples, I'd like this document to at least reflect the guts of "how do aI talk to Keystone via the web API"18:56
gyeeannegentle_, its called "undocumented feature"18:56
gyeenot a bug18:56
annegentle_ayoung: sounds great, Diane Fleming has a blueprint for Icehouse to try to give more real API examples, let me find the link18:56
ayoungannegentle_, I used it heavily when writing the few examples I have so far18:56
jamielennoxdolphm: so i assume that it is meant to model some other auth system though, it seems to similar to others to have been made from scratch18:57
ayoungannegentle_, http://adam.younglogic.com/2013/09/keystone-v3-api-examples/18:57
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annegentle_ayoung: great, I'll point diane to it for her work18:57
ayoungannegentle_, I want to do a follow up with some of the more esoteric ones, like creating trusts18:58
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dolphmjamielennox: are you referring to gyee's proposal modeling other auth systems?18:59
dolphmtime is about up -- switching to #openstack-dev!18:59
dolphm#endmeeting keystone18:59
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jeblairare any ci/infra people around?19:00
jeblairmordred: ping19:00
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jeblair#startmeeting infra19:01
openstackMeeting started Tue Oct  8 19:01:02 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is jeblair. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.19:01
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.19:01
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jeblair#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/InfraTeamMeeting19:01
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jeblair#link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2013/infra.2013-10-01-19.01.html19:01
jeblair#topic Actions from last meeting19:01
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jeblair#action jeblair move tarballs.o.o and include 50gb space for heat/trove images19:01
jeblairi have not done that.  i'll to get to that this week19:01
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jeblairi did, however, announce the maintenance19:02
mordredI have understood the mysterious caching issue - which is that there is apparently no mysterious caching issue19:02
jeblairwhich clarkb and fungi and i performed19:02
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jeblairmordred: excellent!19:02
mordredthe base image for an image build can be set via an environment variable to point to a pre-existing image19:03
mordredwhich is what we'd want19:03
jeblairmordred: then lets move onto...19:03
mordredlifeless indicated that dib may need to grow a flag...19:03
jeblair#topic Trove testing (mordred, hub_cap)19:03
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mordredto disable the checksum testing19:03
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mordredto disable attempting to download a new version of the base image from the internet19:03
jeblairmordred: so what do we need to do to proceed?19:05
mordredjeblair: I believe we just need to start writing jobs19:05
mordredor, rather19:05
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mordredwe need to make sure that the base images that tripleo/trove/heat may need are listed in such a way that the nodepool image prep pre-downloading of things pre-downloads thenm19:05
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mordredand then we need to start writing jobs which do the image building the trove/heat/tripleo need with those pre-downloaded images as input19:05
mordredthe first one sounds like us, the second one sounds lke hub_cap19:05
hub_capsounds good to me. do we do them in parallel or do i have some more time to finish up the client? :)19:06
mordredfinish up the client. do we know how to tell what base images you will need?19:07
mordredright now, we scan devstack for image urls19:07
mordredand we pre-download those19:07
mordredhow does one tell which base images dib builds are going to want? (I think there are only two, right, but are they listed somewhere?)19:07
hub_capwell rhel/ubuntu for each trove & heat19:08
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mordredbut the base images are the same19:09
mordredthe things we download from the interwebs19:09
hub_capohhh base image sry19:09
hub_capdib is in charge of that for us (until now hehe)19:10
jeblairmordred: it may not be terrible to special case those in the nodepool setup scripts?19:10
mordredjeblair: maybe we do that until we it grows past two?19:10
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jeblairmordred: or if dib is doing it, is there a place in dib we can consult to find the list?19:11
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jeblairmordred: as what we do now with devstack is to clone devstack and read that file...19:11
jeblairmordred: at any rate, that actually does sound like a lot of work just to get those 2 images, so i'm still okay with hardcoding that in the nodepool scripts for now.19:12
clarkbdib is just running shell scripts in a chroot (basically) if it isn't possible today I think it should be possible to list things in a file that is sourced by dib19:12
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jeblairclarkb: oh, that's a little easier then...19:12
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mordredyup. I think reading the files should not be terrible19:13
jeblairmordred: you want to take a stab at that?19:13
mordredhowever- that gets us into an interesting question19:13
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mordredwhich is that currently the plan was for heat/trove to simply consume released version of dib rather than master version19:13
mordredI'll take a stab at pulling things from dib though - I could probably also install it with pip and then source a couple of files from well-known locations19:14
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hub_capmordred: u can likely then run the 10-cache-*-tarball to do the dl work too19:15
stevebakerit would be nice if you could just run dib and get it to quit before the preinstall phase19:15
mordredhub_cap: nah. that does too much work19:15
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mordredI believe we'd like to avoid running a bunch of root-based qemu-nbd stuff on the nodes as we're prepping them for the devstack pool19:16
mordredtoo many moving pieces there19:16
mordredBUT - I think we can work with what's there19:16
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stevebakerit won't just cache the base image, also all the invoked source-repositories19:16
stevebaker..but, baby steps19:17
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mordredyes. I think baby steps are important19:17
hub_capotherwise that baby wont start walkin19:17
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jeblaircool, it sounds like we're set to proceed; anything else?19:18
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jeblair#topic  Tripleo testing (mordred, clarkb, lifeless, pleia2)19:18
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pleia2ok, this is very exciting!19:18
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pleia2we've been fleshing out this https://etherpad.openstack.org/tripleo-test-cluster19:19
jeblair#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/tripleo-test-cluster19:19
pleia2if you scroll down to iteration 1, I have a review here to get that done: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/49454/19:19
pleia2so if we could get that in soon so I can make sure it works, that would be awesome :)19:19
pleia2I just had a call with lifeless last night to hash out the plan for iteration 219:19
pleia2so I have a lot of work to do, but we're on track19:20
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clarkbjeblair: will merging 49454 conflict with your gearman nodepool work?19:20
mordredI like seeing patches! (it's now in my browser to review and stuff)19:21
jeblairthere are a lot of words there... :)19:21
clarkbjeblair: if not I can go ahead and rereview 49454 and approve if it looks good19:21
clarkb(or maybe if it does we make the gearman changes deal with it)19:21
lifelessplease land it, we wants the experimental queue ;)19:22
jeblairclarkb: 49454 already uses the new syntax and is based on master, so it won't conflict19:22
pleia2yeah, I rebased19:22
clarkbperfect, it is at the top of my review queue now19:23
pleia2thank you!19:23
jeblairclarkb: we'll just want to put the gearman changes back in place so that puppet will actually apply it19:23
jeblair(and restart puppet, i forgot to say ^)19:23
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jeblairthis seems to be going smoothly.  :)  anything else on this topic?19:25
jeblair#topic  New etherpad.o.o server and migration (clarkb)19:25
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jeblairclarkb: thank you!19:25
clarkba new etherpad.o.o has been spun up as well as a new etherpad-dev.o.o.19:26
clarkbthey are both running on 2GB nodes (down from 4GB) and use clouddbs for the backend database19:26
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clarkbI intend on fully switching out the -dev server today (DNS etc and delete the old node), but we need to plan a time to switch the etherpad.o.o hosts19:26
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clarkbprocess is simple. stop etherpad service on both servers, dump database, copy database to new database server, start etherpad on new server, flip DNS19:27
clarkbI think doing that soon is better than waiting. I was thinking Sunday morning PST19:27
fungii'll be around if you end up needing help19:28
clarkbit would be awesome if there was one other set of eyes making sure I don't completely derp stuff19:28
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* fungi is happy to lend eyeballs and fingers19:28
clarkbfungi: awesome. Should we plan for 1600UTC Sunday? I will send an announcement to the -dev list if that works19:28
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fungisounds great19:29
fungii doubt it will take long at all19:29
mordredI'll also be around19:29
jeblair#action clarkb announce 1600UTC Sunday etherpad outage19:29
clarkbit shouldn't, I will also lower the TTL on the current DNS records earlier in the week so that DNS doesn't take its time19:29
fungisounds great19:30
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mordredI for one welcome our new etherpad server overlords19:30
jeblairclarkb: let us know when you move etherpad-dev, and we can all bang on it19:30
clarkb++ will do19:30
jeblairclarkb, sdague: do you happen to know of a load testing tool for ep?19:30
clarkbI don't19:30
sdaguejeblair: nope19:31
sdagueit would require something that did js well, as it's all client side rendering19:31
clarkb#link https://github.com/ether/etherpad-lite/tree/master/bin/loadTesting19:31
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clarkbI will look at getting that load tester going19:32
sdagueclarkb: also, the folks in the #etherpad channel (or maybe it's #eplite) are super responsive19:32
jeblairclarkb: that would be awesome19:32
sdagueso I'd just ask them19:32
jeblairclarkb: it would be nice to be armed with information like we can definitely support a couple hundred people using it at once during the summit19:32
fungiif it works out well, a quick blurb in the etherpad.rst about load-testing updates.changes on etherpad-dev would be awesome too19:33
clarkbjeblair: yup, I will look into the in tree load test scripts and ping them on IRC19:33
clarkbfungi: good idea19:33
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jeblair#topic Open discussion19:34
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jeblairi'm working on a test pootle server so the translation tema can play around with it a bit before the summit19:34
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pleia2I'm off to a conference on thursday (ACM Projections | Reflections in Illinois), so will be in and out then through sunday19:35
annegentle_jeblair: cool, thinking of it as a resplacement for transifex or is it a necessary inbewteen?19:35
* annegentle_ cant' spell19:35
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mordredjeblair: excellent19:35
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annegentle_jeblair: mordred: docs does have a translation session at the summit where we can talk about tooling19:35
jeblairannegentle_: replacement19:35
annegentle_jeblair: got it19:35
mordredannegentle_: yeah. you know about the transifex issue, yeah?19:35
* anteaya is traveling to a conference tomorrow and then in Toronto the following week19:36
annegentle_jeblair: I talked to Mozilla folks about the proprietary direction Transifex was taking and the woman I talked to wasn't too concerned19:36
jeblairannegentle_: don't they use pootle?19:36
annegentle_jeblair: but, I sorta talked her into a bit of concern I think (not really meaning to, but asking more questions that made her think)19:36
annegentle_jeblair: they use transifex for the phone os stuff apparently19:36
mordredannegentle_: excellent. good job19:36
annegentle_mordred: lol19:36
annegentle_honestly I just want to hear what the translators like best19:37
mordredannegentle_: too many people in open source have been too complacent on the use of non-open source things, tbh19:37
jeblairannegentle_: if you check the i18n list, you'll see recent messages like "oh, we can't use the stats api because that's a premium feature"19:37
jeblair(the openstack-i18n list)19:37
annegentle_I use a proprietary authoring tool because it just makes me more efficient19:37
annegentle_but it's not required19:37
annegentle_so yeah19:37
fungiin the past, there weren't necessarily great free software answers to all this supporting infrastructure, but now there's a lot more itches scratched19:37
annegentle_not cool19:37
mordredannegentle_: I'm fine with people using proprietary things to work on openstack19:37
mordredI'm not fine with them being required to19:37
annegentle_mordred: yeah totally agree19:37
jeblairso the good news is that, on paper at least, pootle has caught up in terms of what it was lacking compared to transifex19:38
mordredjeblair: awesome19:38
anteayahow much longer can design summit sessions be proposed?19:38
jeblair(part of spinning this up is to examine some of that for ourselves)19:38
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fungiand also, i feel like with the resources we as a project have at our disposal, it's our duty to a great extent to provide the tools we can use to run out project if such tools don't already exist19:38
mordredanteaya: not sure - it's pretty open ended19:38
mordredanteaya: since it's run by the ptls19:38
anteayamordred: okay19:38
annegentle_ok then the only other open discussion thing from me was about invites, are there more going out (to ensure savanna gets invites)?19:39
mordredanteaya: the longer you wait though, the more chance you  may have of no slots being left19:39
clarkbfungi: ++19:39
jeblairmordred: it has real git integration too...19:39
jeblairA typical commit message when committing from Pootle will look something like this:19:39
jeblairCommit from GNOME Pootle by user Sipho.  80 of 100 messages translated (719:39
jeblairthat's from http://docs.translatehouse.org/projects/pootle/en/latest/features/version_control.html19:39
annegentle_anteaya: ttx once said a handwavy mid october :)19:39
mordredthat's exciting19:39
mordredjeblair: any chance it has openid consumption support?19:39
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annegentle_jeblair: that's quite cool19:39
anteayaannegentle_: okay thanks, love the specificity of the handwave19:39
fungithat also suggests we're much closer to making translators atcs if we want, at least from a technical hurdle standpoint19:40
fungi(assuming we use pootle)19:40
ttxannegentle_: starting October 17 you're free to start making your schedule :)19:40
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jeblairmordred: i'm pretty sure it will at least work with apache mod_auth_openid19:40
mordredjeblair: excellent19:40
ttxannegentle_: so it's "you have at least until October 17" thing. Then each topic lead is free to have their own rules19:41
* anteaya notes ttx's handwave means the 17th19:41
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clarkbI haven't submitted anything for this summit. I can't tell if that is a good thing or not19:41
clarkbeveryone else has been submitting good things :)19:41
ttxThe 17th is when *I* can start spending time looking into the issue :)19:41
* anteaya wonders how the remaining calendar days translate to gestures19:42
anteayalike baseball signals19:42
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anteayawhat does it mean when you touch the peak of your cap, ttx19:42
anteayaor rub the side of your nose?19:42
ttx"curved RC"19:42
anteayaha ha ha19:42
mordredwhat if we all started giving dates in terms of ttx hand signals19:42
anteayabetter than utc19:43
mordred"I'll meet you on ttx-nods-head of october"19:43
ttxrub the side of my nose = royal flush19:43
jeblairand i think that may signal the end of the meeting... :)19:43
clarkb:) nothing else from me19:43
ttxstarting to derive a bit, yes19:44
jeblairthanks everyone!19:45
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pleia2thanks jeblair19:45
openstackMeeting ended Tue Oct  8 19:45:07 2013 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)19:45
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ttxPSA: No TC meeting this week. Elections process started.19:45
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stevebakerttx: Any chance we could do Heat early in the projects meeting? I'll need to leave 20 minutes in19:48
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ttxstevebaker: sure. Note that shardy is still PTL for the Havana cycle and could be there19:49
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ttxstevebaker: but if you're around in 70min, I'll put you first19:50
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stevebakerttx: actually, thats OK. I'll let him handle it19:55
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ttxheh, yes, those things will come to you soon enough :)19:55
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notmynamettx: TC meeting today?20:01
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hub_capnotmyname: 12:45 PM ttx PSA: No TC meeting this week. Elections process started.20:02
notmynamethanks :-)20:02
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gabrielhurleyah right20:03
hub_captc limbo20:03
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notmynameah. was lumped in with the last block of text (and for some reason ttx is the same nick color as openstack in my client :-) )20:03
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notmynamethat's ok. I can certainly use the extra hour in my day :-)20:03
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ttxmarkmc, dolphm, notmyname, jd__, markwash, jgriffith, russellb, shardy, gabrielhurley, markmcclain: around ?21:00
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ttxmissing jd__ jgriffith shardy21:02
ttxand dolphm21:02
ttx#startmeeting project21:02
openstackMeeting started Tue Oct  8 21:02:29 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is ttx. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.21:02
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.21:02
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'project'21:02
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ttx#link http://wiki.openstack.org/Meetings/ProjectMeeting21:02
ttx#topic General stuff21:02
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ttx#info 9 days to release, RC1s published for everything but Swift at this point21:02
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ttx#info At the end of the week I plan to switch to "safe, extremely release-critical fixes only" mode21:03
notmynameswift should be ready Real Soon Now21:03
ttx#info So if you have "embarassing but not critical" bugs, we should handle them in a RC2 window this week21:03
ttxWe'll go into details for each project as the situation is difefrent for everyone21:03
ttxsdague, annegentle, jeblair: anything from QA/Docs/Infra programs ?21:03
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sdaguea number of the races look addressed that were a part of the rc run up - http://status.openstack.org/elastic-recheck/21:04
ttxannegentle_: how is doc release shaping up ?21:04
sdaguehowever, the neutron ones are still problematic, Bug 1224001 in particular21:04
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1224001 in neutron "test_network_basic_ops fails waiting for network to become available" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/122400121:04
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markmcclainsdague: we merged a fix for that today21:05
sdaguemarkmcclain: ok, great21:05
markmcclaina system util was causing a kernel fault21:05
ttxannegentle_, jeblair: anything to mention ?21:05
jeblairttx: no, thanks21:05
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ttx#topic Oslo status21:06
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ttxmarkmc: hi21:06
ttx#info Oslo stable/havana branch was cut21:06
markmcgood evening21:06
ttxAny critical bugfix that would need urgent codecopy to consuming projects ?21:06
markmcI had a look over bugs and reviews21:06
markmcdon't see anything scarey21:07
ttxgood thing :)21:07
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ttxmarkmc: anything you wanted to mention ?21:07
markmcnope, all quiet on the oslo front21:07
ttxQuestions about Oslo ?21:07
markmcdhellmann, you?21:07
dhellmannnothing from me21:07
ttx#topic Keystone status21:08
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ttxmoar time for the others21:08
ttxdolphm: hi!21:08
ttx#info Keystone RC1 is out21:08
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ttxNo bug on the havana-rc-potential list:21:08
ttx#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/keystone/+bugs?field.tag=havana-rc-potential21:08
dolphmi've been using havana-backport-potential :(21:08
ttxha. ha.21:08
* ttx looks21:08
ttxanything you think is critical enough to warrant an RC2 ?21:09
dolphmthe only bug i think warrants an RC is https://bugs.launchpad.net/keystone/+bug/123487321:09
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1234873 in keystone "restarting mysql, Keystone doesn't reconnect, AttributeError" [High,Fix committed]21:09
* ttx looks into that high one21:09
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dolphmit's a one line, obvious fix21:09
ttxew, that one is pretty ugly indeed21:09
ttxif we open an RC2 window now what else would you include in it ?21:10
ttxbug 1233329 (also fixcommitted)21:10
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1233329 in keystone "034 migration fails for SQLite if there is data in the user table" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/123332921:10
dolphmif we have a clean way to backport a fix to https://bugs.launchpad.net/keystone/+bug/1231657 -- i'd like to include taht21:10
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1231657 in keystone "DB2 disconnect not handled pessimistically" [Medium,In progress]21:10
dolphmin master, we're fixing the same issue by switching to oslo.db21:10
dolphmso that wouldn't quite be backportable unless we slip a discrete fix into master first, then nuke it with oslo.db21:11
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ttxdolphm: it's fine to not cherrypick in that case21:11
ttxdolphm: we just need to be extra careful with the patch though21:11
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dolphmthe fix would be coming from oslo code either way21:12
ttxdolphm: ok, let's open a RC2 window now with 1234873 1233329 and 123165721:12
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dolphmit'll either be oslo-incubator to keystone.common.sql.core, or the fix will be in keystone.openstack.common.db21:12
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ttxdolphm: note that we have https://review.openstack.org/#/c/50455/ proposed already ?21:13
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ttxdolphm: will talk to you just after meeting to create the RC2 and target stuff to it21:13
dolphmoh interesting, thanks21:13
ttxdolphm: you can look into that one in the mean time21:13
ttxAnything else that may affect us ?21:13
dolphmthat is all!21:13
ttxOther news / questions about Keystone ?21:13
ttx#topic Ceilometer status21:14
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ttxjd__: hey21:14
ttx#info Ceilometer RC1 is out21:14
ttxA few bugs on the havana-rc-potential list, but nothing serious enough to trigger RC2 so far ?21:14
ttx#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ceilometer/+bugs?field.tag=havana-rc-potential21:14
jd__no indeed21:14
ttxAnything standing between you and release at this time that I should know about ?21:15
jd__nothing nor nobody21:15
ttxOK, you should probably start working on the release notes then :)21:15
ttxwe'll do another checkpoint on Thursday21:16
ttx#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ReleaseNotes/Havana21:16
ttxOther news / questions about Ceilometer ?21:16
jd__no news21:16
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ttx#topic Swift status21:16
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ttxnotmyname: o/21:17
ttx#link https://launchpad.net/swift/+milestone/1.10.0-rc121:17
ttxYou told me you're likely to give me a SHA for 1.10.0-rc1 later today ?21:17
notmynamethat's the plan :-)21:17
notmynamegetting the final reviews for the in progress bugs21:17
ttxOK, the three inporgress bugs left are the last blockers ?21:17
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notmynamethe memcache one (the high priority one) is the most important.21:18
notmynamettx: but ya, that's all I'm tracking right now21:18
ttxOK, just send me an email if you complete all today and I'll will create havana release branch ("milestone-proposed") and tag from it first thing tomorrow21:18
notmynamettx: worst case, if the med priority ones don't land, it's not a blocker21:18
notmynamettx: ok, I'll let you know asap21:18
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ttxok just make sure https://launchpad.net/swift/+milestone/1.10.0-rc1 looks all Implemented and FixCommitted by the end of your day :)21:19
notmynamettx: I also have the authors/changelog update proposed. just needs to land21:19
ttx(can be done by punting some bugs out)21:19
ttxNote that once you send me the SHA you can consider master opened for Icehouse business21:19
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ttxsince I'll branch from there21:19
notmynamesounds good21:19
ttxOther news / questions about Swift ?21:19
notmynameI'm good21:19
ttxnotmyname: thx!21:20
ttx#topic Glance status21:20
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ttxmarkwash: o/21:20
markwash#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/glance/+bugs?field.tag=havana-rc-potential21:20
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ttx#info Glance RC1 is out21:20
ttxA few "Critical" bugs on the havana-rc-potential list, but no fixes yet21:20
markwashYes, I just updated that list to reflect what I hope to accomplish for rc2 by this week21:21
ttxmarkwash: shall we open an RC2 window now with the critical ones there ?21:21
markwashttx: yes please21:21
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ttxmarkwash: shall we add all those to the RC2 list ? We can refine later if it goes west21:22
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markwashyes, I guess I'm missing out on some of the mechanics here (as usual)21:22
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ttxmarkwash: I'll convert the tagged list to a RC2-targeted list just after meeting21:22
markwashfrom what I definitely understand, I want to get those patches approved in master, and then hope that they apply cleanly to rc2 / milestone proposed whichever branch21:23
* markwash hopes that makes sense21:23
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ttxmarkwash: the fix needs to land in master first21:23
markwashapproved / landed21:24
ttxso the easiest is to only propose to milestone-proposed when that happens21:24
markwashsounds good to me!21:24
ttxI can check them and approve them wen they are proposed to m-p21:24
ttxso... the easiest is... you backport and I check :)21:24
markwashsounds like the right way to go21:24
ttxdon't forget to work on https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ReleaseNotes/Havana at some point too21:24
markwashthanks for the reminder21:25
ttxWe'll refine the RC2 list on Thursday so that we complete the RC2 by end of week21:25
ttxOther news / questions about Glance ?21:25
markwashthat's it from me!21:25
markwashTwo new core members!21:25
markwashzhiyan and flwang21:25
ttx#topic Neutron status21:26
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ttxmarkmcclain: hola21:26
ttx#info Neutron RC1 is out, RC2 window already opened21:26
ttx#link https://launchpad.net/neutron/+milestone/havana-rc221:26
ttx6 backports needed21:26
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ttx2 bugs with master fixes in progress21:26
ttxof the 6 backports some were already proposed and are stuck at various stages in the queue21:27
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ttxmarkmcclain: how far are you for those last two master fixes ?21:27
ttxbug 122400121:27
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1224001 in neutron "test_network_basic_ops fails waiting for network to become available" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/122400121:27
ttxbug 123697021:27
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1236970 in neutron "plumgrid plugin is missing quota table" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/123697021:27
markmcclainplumgrid not too far off21:28
markmcclain1224001: already merged https://review.openstack.org/#/c/50424/21:28
ttxhmm, is it partial-bug then ?21:29
ttxor closes-bug ?21:29
markmcclainwas waiting to officially call this one fixed21:29
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ttxLet's make it tentatively FixReleased ?21:29
ttxso that we know we are not waiting on something ?21:30
markmcclainyeah that works for me21:30
ttxmarkmcclain: so you are in good shape for the RC2. Anything else you want to add to it ?21:31
markmcclainyeah I think we're ok for now21:31
markmcclainnothing else new from me21:31
ttxmarkmcclain: if we are still ok tomorrow we might just cut it21:31
ttx(if all merges)21:31
ttxDon't forget to work on https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ReleaseNotes/Havana too21:32
markmcclainok.. that works for me21:32
ttxOther news / questions about Neutron ?21:32
markmcclainthanks for the reminder.. I'll update21:32
ttx#topic Cinder status21:32
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ttxjgriffith: hi!21:32
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ttx#info Cinder RC1 is out21:32
ttxA few "High" bugs on the havana-rc-potential list, but only fix is bug 123518721:33
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1235187 in cinder "VMware: Failed to create volume from image after session timeout" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/123518721:33
ttx#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/cinder/+bugs?field.tag=havana-rc-potential21:33
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jgriffithttx: hola21:34
jgriffithbad wifi21:34
ttxjgriffith: would you consider any of those RC2-worthy, if they get fixed before end of week ?21:34
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jgriffithso far my answer has been no21:34
jgriffithThe only one I care about is the glance API spec21:34
ttxjgriffith: Right, let's do another checkpoint on Thursday but I'd say at this point a RC2 is not warranted21:35
ttxOK, maybe use your time to start working on the Havana release notes :)21:35
jgriffithYes :(21:35
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* jgriffith has been remiss21:35
ttxthe funniest part of the PTL job. You should delegate that one :)21:35
ttxOther news / questions about Cinder ?21:35
jgriffithha!  Indeed I should21:35
jgriffithlast check we've all but eradicated the gate issues21:36
jgriffithI'm happy about that21:36
ttx"want to be ptl in place of the PTL ? Start by doing my release notes"21:36
jgriffiths/issues/failing cinder items/21:36
jgriffithI may try that approach :)21:37
ttxjgriffith: yes, the gate is in way better shape this week. Makes me less worried about spinning RCs21:37
jgriffithwas frightened last week21:37
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jgriffithanyway... I'm good with RC1 so far21:37
ttxjgriffith: ok thx!21:37
ttx#topic Nova status21:37
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ttxrussellb: hi!21:37
ttx#info Nova RC1 is out21:38
ttxLots of bugs on the havana-rc-potential list:21:38
ttx#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bugs?field.tag=havana-rc-potential21:38
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ttxDo we have a russellb around ?21:39
ttxrussellb: No fix worthy of an RC2 at this point though, right ?21:39
russellbi've been very strict on RC bugs as we led up to rc121:39
russellbIMO, anyway21:40
russellbbut will be watching this week21:40
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russellb(and next week)21:40
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ttxok, we'll do another checkpoint tomorrow21:40
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russellbsounds good21:40
ttxbut you seem to have a solid release so far21:41
ttxOther news / questions about Nova ?21:41
russellbi know i need to do release notes too21:41
russellbwe've at least been tracking some upgrade notes along the way21:41
russellbbut i'll flesh all that out soon21:41
ttxthere is a bit of NOva info in i, which is why you don't get the painful ping21:41
russellbi created the page early in the cycle to start tracking stuff :)21:41
ttx#topic Heat status21:42
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ttxshardy: o/21:42
ttx#info Heat RC1 is out, RC2 window already opened21:42
ttx#link https://launchpad.net/heat/+milestone/havana-rc221:42
ttxWe have 6 open bugs -- are they all likely to be fixed in the next few days ?21:42
shardyYes, I think so, mostly small but fairly important fixes AFAICS21:43
shardyI'll chase through the reviews and patches tomorrow21:43
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ttxshardy: yes, so far your fixes were pretty well-contained, I enjoyed reviewing them21:43
ttxas in: I actually understood them21:43
shardyYeah, mostly pretty simple fixes, so far :)21:43
ttxI'd like to publish your RC2 before the end of the week21:44
ttxso I'll track progress on those last 6 closely21:44
shardyYep, that sounds good, and I think we should be on-target for that21:44
ttxYou need to start working on https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ReleaseNotes/Havana , too21:44
shardyYes, will do21:44
ttxusually between RC windows :)21:44
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ttxOther news / questions about Heat ?21:45
shardyThat's all from me, thanks!21:45
ttxshardy: thx!21:45
ttx#topic Horizon status21:45
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ttxgabrielhurley: o/21:45
ttx#info Horizon RC1 is out21:45
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ttxA few interesting things on your havana-rc-potential list:21:45
ttx#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/horizon/+bugs?field.tag=havana-rc-potential21:45
gabrielhurleyI think a Horizon RC2 would be a good idea, while not strictly required.21:46
gabrielhurleyhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/horizon/+bug/1235053 is the most notable bug21:46
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1235053 in horizon "Create Project: Unable to retrieve default quota values" [High,Fix committed]21:46
gabrielhurleybut https://bugs.launchpad.net/horizon/+bug/1234317 would be great to do21:46
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1234317 in horizon "Need another translation imports for Havana release" [High,Confirmed]21:46
gabrielhurleyand https://bugs.launchpad.net/horizon/+bug/1211535 is a nice-to-have21:46
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1211535 in horizon "HorizonMiddleware class causes excessive session creation" [Medium,In progress]21:46
ttxI think we can open a RC2 window now21:46
ttxand target those two "high" + any fixcommitted left on the list21:46
gabrielhurleyI'd almost do it just to hae the extra week and a half of translations, but those two bugs seem worthwhile21:47
ttxlike that typo21:47
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gabrielhurleysounds good21:47
ttxwill be on it just after meeting21:47
gabrielhurleyI haven't seen any other noteable bugs come in though, which is a good sign21:47
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ttxwill push 1211535 on the list as requested21:47
ttxwe can refine it out if the fix doesn't come in time21:48
ttxobjective is to publish Thursday or Friday21:48
gabrielhurleysounds good21:48
ttxand then go into retentive mode21:48
gabrielhurleywe'll get these all taken care of quick21:48
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ttxNote that we already have a backport proposal for the fix for bug 123411921:48
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1234119 in horizon "typo: "gruop" and "remove from"" [Low,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/123411921:48
ttxI'll unfreeze it when properly targeted21:49
ttxAlso you'll have to copy some of your internal release notes to https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ReleaseNotes/Havana21:49
ttxOther news / questions about Horizon ?21:49
gabrielhurleynope, that's it21:49
ttxgabrielhurley: thx!21:49
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ttx#topic Incubated projects21:49
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ttxTrove got an RC2 published today21:50
ttxthat would be the only havana-incubated project I do releases for at this point21:50
ttxhub_cap: questions ?21:50
hub_capthx for cutting my rc221:51
ttx#topic Open discussion21:51
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ttxQuestions anyone ?21:51
hub_cap1 q... how often does this meeting actually have open discussion?!?!21:52
ttxwhen I go embarassingly too fast21:52
ttxok, let's end this early so that I can open RC2 windows for Keystone/Glance/Horizon before falling asleep21:52
hub_capthx ttx!21:52
ttxif you have questions just ping me on irc21:52
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ttxgabrielhurley: https://bugs.launchpad.net/horizon/+milestone/havana-rc221:55
ttxyou shall propose backports for all (except the typo I'll approve in a second)21:55
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ttxI'll review and approve them21:56
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gabrielhurley#startmeeting horizon22:00
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gabrielhurleyhello folks22:00
jpichHello o/22:01
lblanchardhey all22:01
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gabrielhurley#topic general22:01
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gabrielhurleySo, as of 5 minutes ago we have an RC222:02
gabrielhurleymostly very minor stuff22:02
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gabrielhurleywe need to bakport the existing fix for https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/123505322:02
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1235053 in horizon "Create Project: Unable to retrieve default quota values" [High,Fix committed]22:02
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gabrielhurleyand then get new fixes up for the remaining two22:02
gabrielhurleyprocess wise:22:02
gabrielhurleyfix in master as normal22:02
gabrielhurleypropose backport to the milestone-proposed branch22:03
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gabrielhurleywe can +2, but ttx will do the final approval to merge22:03
gabrielhurleyThe goal is to cut the RC2 on either Thursday or Friday, so let's try and get the reviews merged to master tomorrow22:04
kspearthis bug might also be RC2 worthy: https://bugs.launchpad.net/horizon/+bug/123632622:04
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1236326 in horizon "AttributeError: 'Client' object has no attribute 'ec2'" [High,Confirmed]22:04
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jpichNot fixed on master yet though22:04
gabrielhurleyif we get a patch for it I'd consider it22:05
gabrielhurleyI'd like to see the patch though22:05
gabrielhurleythat seems more like a fix that keystoneclient should deal with instead of us :-/22:06
kspearjpich, yeah but if we want a fix i can push one up very quickly22:06
gabrielhurleydolphm: have you looked at https://bugs.launchpad.net/horizon/+bug/123632622:06
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1236326 in horizon "AttributeError: 'Client' object has no attribute 'ec2'" [High,Confirmed]22:06
ttxgabrielhurley: you guys don't really need to +1/+2. The milestone-proposed review is just about checking that the bug was targeted to RC2, is the same as the core-approved master fix22:06
gabrielhurleykspear: if you'd put up a patch that'd be great22:06
ttxit's basically a doublecheck22:06
gabrielhurleyttx: ah, okay. used to be that you wanted us to assert it was good to go, but if you don't care that's easy enough22:06
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ttxgabrielhurley: as long as you targeted the bug to rc2 it should be golden22:07
ttx(or you proposed the backport for it)22:07
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ttxgabrielhurley: I would hold a patch pushed by someone random who also happens to be the one who targeted the bug to rc2 :)22:07
ttxso that I get YOUR approval on it22:08
kspeargabrielhurley: will do22:08
gabrielhurleyif one of the other Horizon core folks pushes the backport I'll be sure to +2 it22:08
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gabrielhurleybut it will definitely be on the RC2 list and tied to a fix in master first22:08
ttxgabrielhurley: but if you are the backport author and/or you targeted to rc2 yourself, i'll just doublecheck the patch landed in master and run with it22:08
dolphmgabrielhurley: i have not...22:09
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gabrielhurleydolphm: any thoughts on it, in the 30 seconds you've been aware of it? ;-)22:09
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dolphmgabrielhurley: so far it looks like a bug report22:09
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dolphmgabrielhurley: what's the chance it's getting a v3 client without that manager?22:10
dolphm... as kieran spear suggested22:11
gabrielhurleyhow 'bout this, kspear and dolphm you wanna side-channel coordinate a solution and report back?22:11
dolphmkspear: o/22:11
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gabrielhurleycool. sooooo, that's the business at hand, generally speaking.22:12
gabrielhurleyotherwise the RC is looking solid22:12
kspeargabrielhurley: sure22:12
gabrielhurleyamotoki: if you'll take care of the translation import again as per the ticket that would be fanstastic22:13
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gabrielhurleyI'll email as well22:16
gabrielhurleyanyhow, that's what I've got for project business today.22:16
gabrielhurley#topic bugs22:16
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gabrielhurleydoes anyone have any other bugs they think should be addressed in an RC2?22:16
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jpichIf it gets into master it might be nice to backport https://bugs.launchpad.net/horizon/+bug/1236423 (update to settings example file for logging)22:17
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1236423 in horizon "Default LOGGING configuration doesn't log anything" [Medium,In progress]22:17
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gabrielhurleyif it gets into master quickly I'm good with that22:18
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gabrielhurley#topic open discussion22:23
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gabrielhurleyjcoufal: wanna give an update on where things are at with the UX discussion tools?22:23
jcoufalgabrielhurley: sure22:24
jcoufalso the fact is that askbot is not running on mysql22:24
jcoufalso there needs to be postgresql22:24
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jcoufalwe might run askbot on openstack servers, but need to setup postgresql together with that22:25
jcoufalso someone needs to write puppet scripts on that deployment - that will take time22:25
jcoufalin the meantime, we are almost done with temporary deployment on openshift22:25
jcoufalso we can move there, start using advantages on askbot22:25
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jcoufaland when official deployment is done, we just move DB data from temporary to official server22:26
jcoufalconclusion: temporary askbot will be out in few days, official askbot deployment will take time22:27
jcoufalthe only problem is that we won't get openstack.org domain as long as it is on on our servers, so we will have to use different URL for now22:28
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jpichYay :)22:29
ekarlsodoesn't the infra team have puppet modules for this btw ?22:29
jcoufalboo for domain, yay for moving forward :)22:29
jpichYep :)22:30
jcoufalekarlso: they havn't for askbot22:30
david-lylejcoufal: thanks for continuing to push this change22:30
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gabrielhurleywell, I guess we can redirect later on. this all sounds like a good start22:31
jcoufalnp, more supporting infrastructure stuff for UX should appear in time22:31
gabrielhurleyanybody else got topics they'd like to discuss?22:31
lchenggabrielhurley: wondering if we can include this for I-1: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/swift-container-public-access22:31
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lchengI got the patch ready, it provides a convenience method for user to create a public container.22:32
gabrielhurleyI usually don't organize the blueprints into specific milestones until around the summit22:32
lchengGot a screenshot to go with as well. :)22:32
gabrielhurleybut if you're on it then feel free to make it happen22:32
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lsmola__gabrielhurley, that answers also my question :-)22:34
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lsmola__gabrielhurley, btw. I have sent list of ceilometer bps to cores via launchpad22:35
lsmola__gabrielhurley, though I am not sure it works :-)22:35
gabrielhurleyah, I see it now. It does work, I just file my launchpad notifications into a separate folder that I don't look at as often22:36
lsmola__gabrielhurley, oh, ok22:36
gabrielhurleylaunchpad doesn't differentiate messages from people apart from general bug/blueprint change notifications well. it's annoying22:36
lsmola__gabrielhurley, would you have time to go through them and approve/cencel them ? :-)22:37
gabrielhurleyyep, I'll take a look22:37
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lsmola__gabrielhurley, cool, thank you very much22:37
gabrielhurleyyep, sorry I didn't see the message before22:37
lsmola__gabrielhurley, np22:38
gabrielhurleycool. anybody else?22:38
lsmola__gabrielhurley, we are still waiting for the wireframes :-)22:38
lsmola__lblanchard, do you have some update on the wireframes?22:39
lblanchardlsmola: I hope to have something to share by the end of the week…got caught up in some other stuff :)22:39
lsmola__ok cool :-D22:39
lblanchardI'm working on versions of the Tuskar detail wireframes that I shared last week that would be focused for Horizon22:39
david-lylegabrielhurley: to fix the session creation bug, we have to bump openstack/requirements or bad things happen.  I'm submitting a patch now for the bump22:39
gabrielhurleyyep. let's see if that becomes an issue or not22:40
david-lylegabrialhurley: I've asked the developer to unabandon the patch, but I will need to update horizon's requirements too22:40
gabrielhurleywe need to fix it either way. I'm not 100% sure how the gate will interact in trying to backport22:40
gabrielhurleydavid-lyle: if the developer is unresponsive just re-propose the patch yourself22:40
david-lylehe's responsive just busy :)22:41
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gabrielhurleyjust pushing the patch again is easy enough, I'd say don't wait22:46
gabrielhurleyit won't change the author data in the commit22:46
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david-lylerequirements patch here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/50505/22:47
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gabrielhurleyalright, last call for topics22:50
lsmola__lblanchard, I guess now is the time? :-)22:50
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gabrielhurleythat sounds ominous22:50
lblanchardlsmola: for?22:50
lsmola__lblanchard, I thought the update will continue :-)22:51
lblanchardlsmola: the update for the detail pages?22:51
lsmola__lblanchard, yes22:51
lblanchardmostly just wanted to let folks know that I'm still work through them :) lsmola suggested I create versions that are based on data we could show in Horizon22:52
jcoufallsmola__: I thought lblanchard already gave one :)22:52
lblanchardhopefully I will have a more interesting update next week with some actual wireframes for people to see ;)22:53
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lsmola__lblanchard, ok, cool, thank you very much22:53
jcoufallblanchard: I hope we can review that on askbot by that time :)22:53
lblanchardlsmola: no problem!22:53
lblanchardjcoufal: that would be awesome!22:53
lsmola__lblanchard, looking forward :-)22:54
lblanchardjcoufal: I will also post the Tuskar ones there when it's up and going22:54
jcoufalyup, I will do global announcement once it is ready for use22:54
lblanchardjcoufal: sounds great22:54
david-lyleToshi: does the true workflow you proposed have a patch that's ready?22:54
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david-lyleor wizard22:55
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jcoufaldavid-lyle, Toshi: Some of our guys wanted to help there too, so I am interested as well how it goes22:56
david-lylehmm, thought I Toshi join, maybe not22:57
david-lyles/I/I saw/22:57
jcoufalwe can try to catch him on the BP22:57
david-lylesounds good22:57
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gabrielhurleywell, times up22:59
gabrielhurleygood meeting folks22:59
gabrielhurleylets get these reviews done in the next day or so23:00
gabrielhurleytalk to you all again soon23:00
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lchengthanks, have a great week!23:00
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lblanchardthanks all!23:00
david-lylehave a good week everyone!23:00
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julimthank you all. have a good day.23:00
jcoufalthanks all and have a great week23:00
lsmola__thank you everybody, good night :-)23:00
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