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| rkukura | hi | 14:00 |
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| rcurran | hi | 14:01 |
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| rkukura | #startmeeting networking_ml2 | 14:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Oct 9 14:02:11 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is rkukura. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:02 |
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| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:02 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking_ml2' | 14:02 |
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| rkukura | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/ML2 Agenda | 14:03 |
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| rkukura | mestery is not available today, so I'll chair today's meeting | 14:04 |
| rkukura | not sure if I should worry about the uvirtbot errors? | 14:04 |
| Sukhdev | good morning | 14:04 |
| matrohon | hi | 14:05 |
| doude | hi | 14:05 |
| rkukura | I think today's meeting will be quick | 14:05 |
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| rkukura | Three items: RC2, docs, and summit | 14:05 |
| rkukura | #topic RC2 | 14:06 |
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| rkukura | markmcclain is planning to cut RC2 tomorrow | 14:06 |
| markmcclain | yes | 14:07 |
| rkukura | One ML2 bug still in review and targeted for RC2 is https://review.openstack.org/#/c/49644/ | 14:07 |
| Sukhdev | is there any blocker issue? | 14:07 |
| rkukura | This is the 2nd part of fixing auto-deletion | 14:07 |
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| Sukhdev | so, this is a similar fix to network deletion, right | 14:08 |
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| rkukura | it was supposed to just do for delete_subnet what was already done for delete_network | 14:08 |
| markmcclain | I've added 1234195 to RC2 | 14:08 |
| rkukura | but the review is exposing issues with DB locking | 14:08 |
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| matrohon | we should consider this https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1237082 for RC2 | 14:09 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1237082 in neutron "ml2 vxlan interface with linuxbridge use proxy mode" [Undecided,In progress] | 14:09 |
| matrohon | vxlan without l2-pop is not functionnal anymore | 14:10 |
| rkukura | on 1234195, I'm leaning towards not trying to add the "with_lockmode('update') calls, since they don't work with outer joins on postgress | 14:10 |
| matrohon | with linuxbridge | 14:10 |
| rkukura | and they don't necessarily prevent new rows from being added | 14:10 |
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| rkukura | question is - should we try to do some sort of table-level locking? | 14:10 |
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| rkukura | or leave this for later? | 14:10 |
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| rkukura | matrohon: 1237082 does have the havnana-rc-potential tag | 14:12 |
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| matrohon | rkukura : i'v put the tag, hope it will be considered for rc2 | 14:13 |
| rkukura | This looks straightforward, but may need a unit test | 14:14 |
| rkukura | Lets try to get this in today | 14:15 |
| rkukura | Any other patches or bugs that should be considered for RC2? | 14:15 |
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| matrohon | it is written and will be pushed as soon as tox have finished | 14:15 |
| rkukura | matrohon: Great! I'll review it ASAP. | 14:15 |
| matrohon | it will be toot hsort for rc2, but live-migration with l2-pop doesn't work | 14:16 |
| matrohon | i will work on it asap | 14:16 |
| rkukura | ok, anything else? | 14:17 |
| markmcclain | matrohon: we can target that for fix for the first stable update | 14:17 |
| matrohon | markmclain: great | 14:17 |
| rkukura | #topic: Docs | 14:17 |
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| doude | The l2-pop mechanism driver uses an ARP responder to avoid ARP broadcast but it only works with the LB agent. We need to implement an ARP responder for the OVS agent also. | 14:18 |
| doude | I've open a bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1237427 | 14:18 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1237427 in neutron "l2-pop ML2 mechanism driver need ARP responder with the OVS agent" [Undecided,New] | 14:18 |
| rkukura | I know emagana got basic stuff on ML2 into the cloud admin guide | 14:18 |
| doude | An ebtables manager could be able to do that. I've started a patch for that. | 14:18 |
| doude | It's not too intruisive for the H release because it's only impact code if the l2-pop mechanism driver is enabled (that's not the case by default). | 14:18 |
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| rkukura | we can followup with more detail in the Cloud Admin Guide if needed | 14:19 |
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| doude | Do you think it could be implemented for the H release ? | 14:19 |
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| Sukhdev | On the subject of Docs, I have update/issue regarding https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+bug/1230276 | 14:20 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1230276 in openstack-manuals "Add neutron ml2 plugin info to installation guide" [High,Confirmed] | 14:20 |
| markmcclain | doude: no | 14:20 |
| markmcclain | doude: we've basically run out of time, so we'll fix in Icehouse and then backport to Havana.1 release | 14:20 |
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| doude | markmcclain: ok | 14:21 |
| rkukura | Sukhdev: go ahead | 14:21 |
| Sukhdev | I pulled the latest information from Github regarding install-guide and built is, it shows Neutron Chapter empty with - FIXIT in it | 14:22 |
| Sukhdev | so, it seems like there is no chapter on Neutron in Intall-Guide, | 14:22 |
| Sukhdev | is this true? | 14:22 |
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| Sukhdev | I see Neutron in all other guides, but, not in istall-guide | 14:23 |
| rkukura | annegentle_: Is neutron info in the install guide, or being added? | 14:23 |
| annegentle_ | rkukura: we are hoping you have people who are interested in adding it, testing it. The basic-install-files directory contains the grizzly release instructions, which could be updated and added | 14:24 |
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| annegentle_ | rkukura: here's what's still needed http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-docs/2013-October/002936.html | 14:24 |
| annegentle_ | rkukura: Nermina Miller was going to reach out to you all to see if you have content to add | 14:25 |
| rkukura | Sukhdev: Can you work with Nermina on this? | 14:25 |
| rkukura | roaet: were you working on the config guide? | 14:26 |
| Sukhdev | rkukura: can you give me their contact info and I will reach out | 14:26 |
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| rkukura | Sukhdev: Sure, should be in the previous email thread regarding the ML2 docs tasks, but I'll find it and resend | 14:27 |
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| Sukhdev | Ah OK - thanks | 14:27 |
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| Sukhdev | BTW, I started to work onhttps://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Neutron and noticed that under current project status, it talks about Folsom | 14:28 |
| Sukhdev | So, this seems to be out of date | 14:28 |
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| Sukhdev | I added a section about Havana and ML2 update but did not touch other sections https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Neutron | 14:30 |
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| rkukura | markmcclain: Do you know if the main neutron wiki page is slated for updating/cleanup? | 14:30 |
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| markmcclain | rkukura: it needs a clean-up | 14:30 |
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| markmcclain | I was hoping coordinate work on it after Havana releasae | 14:31 |
| rkukura | Sukhdev: The new material looks good | 14:31 |
| Sukhdev | Thanks....I was tempted to do it, but, was not sure if I mess with it | 14:31 |
| rkukura | markmcclain: thanks | 14:31 |
| Sukhdev | I mean clean up | 14:32 |
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| rkukura | Sukhdev: I think any of use can/should cleanup this sort of thing if we have the opportunity | 14:32 |
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| rkukura | Is roaet around? | 14:32 |
| Sukhdev | I can remove the current project status and spread the information around appropriately - | 14:33 |
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| rkukura | Last I had from him on the config guide was regarding the mechanism being used to extract info from the code | 14:33 |
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| rkukura | We'll follow up on config guide later, but I think this is really important to have complete when havana ships | 14:35 |
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| rkukura | anything else on docs? | 14:35 |
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| rkukura | #topic Icehouse Design Summit topics | 14:36 |
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| rkukura | We brainstormed some candidates last week. | 14:37 |
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| rkukura | markmcclain said the cutoff to submit is 10/17, but I don't think we should wait til the last moment | 14:37 |
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| markmcclain | please don't :) | 14:38 |
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| rkukura | I'm thinking we should go ahead and submit our ideas rather than trying to pre-coordinate them into a small number of ml2 topics | 14:38 |
| rkukura | Any objections to that plan? | 14:39 |
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| rkukura | Next week we can look at what has been submitted, see if anything is missing, and maybe come up with suggestions for markmcclain on what can be combined | 14:41 |
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| rkukura | anything else on the design summit? | 14:42 |
| Sukhdev | is there a wiki listing what has already been propose/planned? | 14:42 |
| rkukura | http://summit.openstack.org/ | 14:42 |
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| rkukura | the minutes from last weeks ml2 meeting are at http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_ml2/2013/ | 14:43 |
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| rkukura | #topic Open Discussion | 14:43 |
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| rkukura | Anything else to discuss today? | 14:43 |
| matrohon | do we consider having an ml2 agent with drivers for lb , ovs and others? | 14:44 |
| matrohon | it is not listed in the last week minute | 14:44 |
| rkukura | matrohon: I think that would make sense to propose | 14:44 |
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| rkukura | "14:39:23 <rkukura> modular agent is another" | 14:45 |
| rkukura | matrohon: There were a lot of suggestions in the log that didn't make the minutes | 14:46 |
| rkukura | Anything else for today? | 14:46 |
| rkukura | Thanks everyone! | 14:47 |
| Sukhdev | thanks | 14:47 |
| matrohon | tahnks | 14:47 |
| rkukura | #endmeeting | 14:47 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Oct 9 14:47:23 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:47 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_ml2/2013/networking_ml2.2013-10-09-14.02.html | 14:47 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_ml2/2013/networking_ml2.2013-10-09-14.02.txt | 14:47 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_ml2/2013/networking_ml2.2013-10-09-14.02.log.html | 14:47 |
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| tjones | waiting a minute or so for people to join | 17:00 |
| garyk | hi | 17:00 |
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| tjones | hi gary | 17:00 |
| garyk | how things? | 17:01 |
| vuil | hi | 17:01 |
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| tjones | good - thanks for helping me with the backport. I need to set up to be able to do it - not fair for you to have al the fun ;-) Hey vui | 17:01 |
| tjones | ok lets get started | 17:01 |
| vuil | hey tracy | 17:01 |
| tjones | #startmeeting VMwareAPI | 17:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Oct 9 17:01:58 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is tjones. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:01 |
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| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:02 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'vmwareapi' | 17:02 |
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| tjones | alright - i am assuming we suspend BP discussion until after hong kong? | 17:03 |
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| tjones | listens for comments | 17:03 |
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| tjones | from the thunder of comments - i assume agreement ;-) | 17:04 |
| garyk | tjones: i guess we could discuss them a icehouse is open. | 17:04 |
| garyk | sorry, i am slow today | 17:04 |
| tjones | ok lets spend some time there then | 17:04 |
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| tjones | #topic blueprints | 17:04 |
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| tjones | argh | 17:05 |
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| tjones | anyone have a favorite BP for discussion? #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack?searchtext=vmwa | 17:05 |
| tjones | #undo | 17:05 |
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| tjones | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack?searchtext=vmware | 17:06 |
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| tjones | im getting all sorts of errors from virtbot on my commands btw…. ignoring it | 17:06 |
| danwent | mmm… let's just move forward without commands. not sure what is going on | 17:06 |
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| vuil | I wanted to ask if there is already one about glance supporting vm templates | 17:06 |
| garyk | vuil: i think https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/deploy-vcenter-templates-from-vmware-nova-driver | 17:07 |
| danwent | vuil: was talking to gary about this | 17:07 |
| vuil | there is a vmware specific one | 17:07 |
| tjones | *looking* - i thought there was - here it is https://blueprints.launchpad.net/glance/+spec/hypervisor-templates-as-glance-images | 17:07 |
| tjones | looks like we have a couple | 17:07 |
| garyk | i think that we both worked on the first patch set that was posted by Kiran. It was stopped due to the H feature freeze. | 17:08 |
| danwent | I think we may want to step back and look at the whole images issues more generically. Arvind is working on putting together a PRD around this. | 17:08 |
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| tjones | ok good - when do you expect that to be available? | 17:08 |
| garyk | danwent: great. | 17:08 |
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| danwent | tjones: initial proposal should be before the summit | 17:09 |
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| danwent | so we at least have some idea of what we want to do moving forward | 17:09 |
| tjones | danwent: there are a few BP having to do with image handling | 17:09 |
| garyk | tjones: i am also trying to investigate ways that we can improve our caching. this may be related to what dan has mentioned above. so it may all be under the same umbrella | 17:09 |
| danwent | want to make sure we have a holistic approach that covers things like cache management, leveraging array capabilities, etc. | 17:09 |
| danwent | and multiple v-centers, which the template approach doesn't handle well | 17:10 |
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| tjones | ok great. Besides the large area of image handling, are there other BP we need to discuss? | 17:10 |
| vuil | we need to take another look at the ovf support as an option for something like multi-vc | 17:11 |
| tjones | danwent - would arvind be covering that as well? | 17:11 |
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| danwent | tjones: yes, arvind will be point person for organizing discussions around all things images | 17:12 |
| tjones | excellent | 17:12 |
| tjones | other BP topics? | 17:13 |
| tjones | ok moving on to bugs (not using commands). Favorite bugs for discussion? | 17:13 |
| garyk | today i found one that i need to open | 17:14 |
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| tjones | here's the link to today's report http://paste.openstack.org/show/48148/ | 17:15 |
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| garyk | when one restarts the nova compute service the vms on the esx are not matched with this registered in the database | 17:15 |
| tjones | garyk: go ahead and then we can talk about the report | 17:15 |
| tjones | just a restart - not a re-stack? | 17:15 |
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| garyk | just a restart. a restack is ok as the db is empty | 17:16 |
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| tjones | and this is in havana? | 17:16 |
| garyk | i'll post it later with all of the information | 17:16 |
| garyk | it is in all versions | 17:16 |
| tjones | ugh | 17:17 |
| garyk | i actually discovered it with the backports that i did for stable/grizzly | 17:17 |
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| tjones | ok that's a bad one - please pass on the # when you have it. Now going on to our current bugs - of the 15 open - 12 need +1 reviews. Non-core folks, please spend some cycles on review this week | 17:19 |
| garyk | tjones: it would be nice if the link that you posted could have the title of the bug. that would make it easier to understand | 17:19 |
| tjones | sure - i can add that. the 2nd section does show the title as well | 17:19 |
| garyk | that would be great | 17:20 |
| tjones | they are the same bugs ordered differently | 17:20 |
| garyk | regarding https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1227825 - datastore selction. | 17:20 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1227825 in openstack-vmwareapi-team "datastore selection bug - fills first disk only" [Critical,In progress] | 17:20 |
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| garyk | i think that this was regarded as a feature and that is why is was not part of the release candidate. | 17:21 |
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| tjones | i thought russellb was considering it? | 17:22 |
| garyk | i also thought the same. | 17:22 |
| tjones | it has havana-rc-potential tag | 17:22 |
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| tjones | thanks for picking it up btw - we have 3 +1 on it | 17:23 |
| garyk | ok, great. | 17:23 |
| tjones | could use a few more eyes but i think it's ready to go if we get a rc opening | 17:23 |
| tjones | any other bugs for discussion? | 17:24 |
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| tjones | we do have another rc potential bug - it's the grizzly regression https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1193980 | 17:26 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1193980 in nova "Regression: Cinder Volumes "unable to find iscsi target" for VMware instances" [High,In progress] | 17:26 |
| tjones | that has 5 +1 and is ready for core reviewers | 17:27 |
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| garyk | yeah, that is a critical one | 17:27 |
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| tjones | garyk - the other one that i have as critical for havana is https://review.openstack.org/#/c/41977/ | 17:28 |
| garyk | i backported that the the rc2 candidae. it was −2'ed as the version is not yet open. at the moment it is not clear when russellb will open this. | 17:28 |
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| tjones | looks like it merged! | 17:29 |
| tjones | ah - into master | 17:29 |
| tjones | ok - so those are the 3 rc2 candidate bugs we have. anything else? | 17:29 |
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| tjones | ok lets take a look at bug triage then http://goo.gl/pTcDG | 17:30 |
| garyk | i think that https://code.launchpad.net/bugs/1235022 could be a candidate (there is a work around though) | 17:30 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1235022 in nova "VMware: errors booting from volume via Horizon" [High,In progress] | 17:30 |
| garyk | bascially if a volume that is not vda is used then it causes all kinds of havoc. | 17:31 |
| tjones | is that what ryan ran into during stress testing? | 17:31 |
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| tjones | what's the work around? | 17:32 |
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| garyk | tjones: not exactly sure how ryna found it | 17:33 |
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| garyk | the work around is to do the attachment via the cli and not horizon. the user should also select vda as the volume and sdb | 17:33 |
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| tjones | so ugly but could be documented. Do we think this is a common use case - boot from volume? | 17:35 |
| tjones | danwent: that's probably a question for you | 17:35 |
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| garyk | it is something that we should definitley back port. this may not make the rc | 17:36 |
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| danwent | yeah, i agree with gary | 17:36 |
| danwent | we should make sure to backport it, but it doesn't seem like a blocker for RC | 17:36 |
| tjones | ok - you have already added backport to it. so i'll leave it alone | 17:36 |
| danwent | tjones: we need to be collecting items like this to include in "release notes" | 17:36 |
| danwent | if we end up having a chance to slip it into an RC, great, but not a huge deal | 17:37 |
| tjones | danwent: do we have a release note tag for bugs | 17:37 |
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| danwent | tjones: that's a good question for those in the community. i'm not aware of a standard within openstack | 17:37 |
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| tjones | ok - i'll add it to my list of actions (since i can't use the action command) | 17:38 |
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| tjones | back to triage - we still have 2 waiting for responses and 1 (speanw 40 vms) that is undecided. http://goo.gl/pTcDG Im guessing that's a high prio | 17:39 |
| tjones | i can't set the prio | 17:39 |
| garyk | i think that this one is under investigation. it is concerning | 17:39 |
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| tjones | vuil: i think you are looking at this one? | 17:40 |
| vuil | I just confirmed the last one and assigned to me. We are looking at gathering more instrumentation wrt to NFS locking behavior | 17:40 |
| garyk | tjones: i think taht you need to join thenova bugs group and then you can set. let me try and dig up the link | 17:40 |
| tjones | garyk: found it | 17:40 |
| garyk | tjones: https://launchpad.net/~nova-bugs | 17:41 |
| vuil | https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1230047 I am talking about | 17:41 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1230047 in nova "VMware: spawning large amounts of VMs sometimes causes errors" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 17:41 |
| tjones | ok i marked it high and left the milestone alone | 17:42 |
| tjones | ready to talk backports or any other bug discussion? | 17:42 |
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| garyk | i think that we are at a very importnat stage where testing should be our top priority at the moment | 17:43 |
| garyk | the more coverage we get the better our understanding of the rc canditae will be | 17:43 |
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| tjones | so we talked about having a day where we all try to break the rc candidate. create a simple test plan and we all bang on it. lets talk a little more about how we would go about doing this | 17:44 |
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| tjones | (thanks to garyk our backport situation is good and we can skip that discussion) | 17:45 |
| tjones | ideas? | 17:45 |
| garyk | :) | 17:45 |
| garyk | tjones: maybe we can decide on test day | 17:45 |
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| garyk | that is, we all hang out on irc and discuss tests, problems etc. | 17:46 |
| garyk | an example for this is a fedora test day. there are a lit of instructures for people and then we can follow those | 17:46 |
| tjones | that works, but i'd like it to be slightly more scripted… oh ok i have not seen that. can you send out a link? | 17:47 |
| garyk | i guess we can take it offline to draw up the outline and hopefully the community will also engage | 17:47 |
| garyk | i am looking. give me a sec | 17:47 |
| tjones | ok lets you and i discuss offline - action ;-) | 17:47 |
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| garyk | tjones: here is an example - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2012-09-18_OpenStack | 17:47 |
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| tjones | we can send something out. but i would like to do this next week - so if we find something catstro we may be able to fix it | 17:48 |
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| garyk | ok. sounds good | 17:49 |
| tjones | garyk: this is great! | 17:49 |
| tjones | ok anything else we need to discuss - now we are at "open discussion" | 17:49 |
| tjones | i just want to reiterate and ask non-core folks to spend some cycles in review | 17:49 |
| tjones | *listening* | 17:51 |
| tjones | going once…. | 17:52 |
| garyk | i'll be happy to get to sleep a few min earlier tonight ;) | 17:52 |
| tjones | ok with that we will end. :-) thanks all for joining. "talk" to you next week | 17:53 |
| tjones | #endmeeting | 17:53 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Oct 9 17:53:13 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:53 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vmwareapi/2013/vmwareapi.2013-10-09-17.01.html | 17:53 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vmwareapi/2013/vmwareapi.2013-10-09-17.01.txt | 17:53 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vmwareapi/2013/vmwareapi.2013-10-09-17.01.log.html | 17:53 |
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| shardy | #startmeeting heat | 20:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Wed Oct 9 20:00:19 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is shardy. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
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| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'heat' | 20:00 |
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| shardy | #topic rollcall | 20:00 |
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| asalkeld | o/ | 20:01 |
| spzala | Hi | 20:01 |
| shardy | #topic rollcall | 20:01 |
| uvirtbot | shardy: Error: "topic" is not a valid command. | 20:01 |
| kebray | o/ the bot doesn't like you for some reason. | 20:01 |
| stevebaker | huh? | 20:01 |
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| jpeeler | here | 20:01 |
| shardy | Hi all, bot seems a bit broken for some reason.. | 20:01 |
| tspatzier | Hi | 20:01 |
| bgorski | Hi all | 20:01 |
| stevebaker | there are 2 bots, ignore uvirtbot | 20:02 |
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| shardy | stevebaker: aha | 20:02 |
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| shardy | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/HeatAgenda | 20:02 |
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| shardy | #topic Review last week's actions | 20:03 |
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| shardy | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2013/heat.2013-10-02-20.00.html | 20:03 |
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| shardy | Only one, re summit proposals, but we'll get to that | 20:03 |
| shardy | Anyone have anything to raise from last week? | 20:04 |
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| stevebaker | nopes | 20:04 |
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| shardy | One thing to mention before we get started, is stevebaker won the PTL election for Icehouse, congrats stevebaker! :) | 20:04 |
| tspatzier | congrats | 20:05 |
| stevebaker | thanks :) | 20:05 |
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| * SpamapS is here btw | 20:05 | |
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| shardy | #topic RC2 bug status | 20:05 |
| spzala | Congratulations! | 20:05 |
| uvirtbot | shardy: Error: "topic" is not a valid command. | 20:05 |
| stevebaker | shardy is still PTL until havana is out the door | 20:05 |
| shardy | hey SpamapS | 20:05 |
| SpamapS | stevebaker: huzzah! | 20:05 |
| shardy | stevebaker: yup, then I can relax a little ;) | 20:05 |
| stevebaker | only a little | 20:06 |
| shardy | #link https://launchpad.net/heat/+milestone/havana-rc2 | 20:06 |
| uvirtbot | shardy: Error: "link" is not a valid command. | 20:06 |
| shardy | So we've opened the window for RC2, plan is to release before the end of this week | 20:06 |
| bgorski | Region name bug probably will not land before rc-2. Keystone client is still not fixed | 20:06 |
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| stevebaker | we may have to punt those :( | 20:06 |
| shardy | bgorski: Ok, we'll have to defer and backport for the first stable/havana release | 20:07 |
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| shardy | Is anyone aware of any bugs not on that list which we should consider for release-blocker status? | 20:07 |
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| stevebaker | shardy: do you have a way of viewing bugs without any Milestone? | 20:08 |
| SpamapS | FYI we've been deploying TripleO constantly the last 2 days.. no problems found in Heat. :) | 20:08 |
| shardy | Ok, cool, well please lets keep up the great work on testing & reporting issues, hopefully we'll be in good shape after RC2 :) | 20:08 |
| SpamapS | (using tip not rc1, but close enough ;) | 20:08 |
| shardy | stevebaker: No, I just look at the top level bug list and review | 20:08 |
| shardy | stevebaker: there may be a way, but I don't know it ;) | 20:09 |
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| shardy | SpamapS: awesome! :) | 20:09 |
| stevebaker | I think there is not a way, unless you write your own script | 20:09 |
| kebray | +1 SpamapS that is awesome! | 20:09 |
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| shardy | stevebaker: I've been trying to Triage every day and adding havana-rc-potential to any which look likely candidates for RC2 | 20:09 |
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| stevebaker | yeah, I'll just be processing the launchpad mails as they come in | 20:10 |
| shardy | https://bugs.launchpad.net/heat/+bugs?field.tag=havana-rc-potential | 20:10 |
| shardy | stevebaker: there must be a better way, e.g via scripts | 20:10 |
| stevebaker | ttx no doubt has a script for everything | 20:10 |
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| shardy | ha, yeah | 20:11 |
| shardy | Ok, any questions re the Havana release before we move on? | 20:11 |
| shardy | #topic Havana Release Notes | 20:12 |
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| shardy | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ReleaseNotes/Havana | 20:12 |
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| shardy | So I'll be adding to the Heat release notes over the next couple of days | 20:12 |
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| stevebaker | this is where having a blueprint for each featury thing is handy, even if the implementation is trivial | 20:12 |
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| shardy | if you've contributed features, particularly if there are user-visible interface changes, can you please consider adding to the release notes | 20:13 |
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| shardy | stevebaker: Yeah, having a bug or BP for everything does make life much easier to track come release time.. | 20:13 |
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| * SpamapS isn't sure, but thinks he only did bug fixes | 20:13 | |
| shardy | asalkeld: Could you add some notes re the providers/environments and ceilometer stuff? | 20:14 |
| stevebaker | SpamapS: limits is a feature | 20:14 |
| asalkeld | shardy, sure | 20:14 |
| asalkeld | it is there tho' | 20:14 |
| SpamapS | hrm | 20:14 |
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| asalkeld | ok, could be more detailed | 20:15 |
| SpamapS | stevebaker: it all depends on perspective I guess. :) | 20:15 |
| asalkeld | I'll copy the format of the other projects | 20:15 |
| shardy | asalkeld: Ah, yeah that's just my cut/paste feature list, feel free to add more info if you feel it's appropriate | 20:15 |
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| shardy | We need some upgrade notes around the config file changes | 20:15 |
| shardy | and I'll add a note re the pending keystoneclient change which is needed for Trusts to work | 20:16 |
| asalkeld | we don't have that "feature" heat.conf | 20:16 |
| shardy | Any other known issues anyone is aware of? | 20:16 |
| shardy | asalkeld: Yeah I guess we could add it, and mention in the upgrade notes the detail | 20:17 |
| asalkeld | k | 20:17 |
| shardy | and that the old conf files should still work | 20:17 |
| asalkeld | there are a pile of new options tho' | 20:17 |
| stevebaker | there is also the paste.ini changes | 20:17 |
| shardy | I don't think we need to list everything, just mention significant stuff and link docs/bp/wiki for more info | 20:18 |
| shardy | stevebaker: ah, yep, we should mention that too | 20:18 |
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| stevebaker | should we write this in an etherpad? wiki will be painful | 20:18 |
| shardy | This is why I wanted everyone to hack on this, between us we can probably remember everything :) | 20:19 |
| asalkeld | +1 steve | 20:19 |
| shardy | stevebaker: good idea | 20:19 |
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| stevebaker | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/heat-havana-release-notes | 20:19 |
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| shardy | stevebaker: haha, beat me to it ;) | 20:19 |
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| radix | oh no :( sorry, missed the beginning of the meeting | 20:20 |
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| SpamapS | uvirtbot: hey, you are a ^ bot, not a #. | 20:20 |
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| shardy | Ok, cool, well if everyone can please hack on the etherpad, then I'll copy the info into the wiki | 20:21 |
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| shardy | #topic Summit Session Proposals | 20:21 |
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| stevebaker | #link http://summit.openstack.org/ | 20:22 |
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| stevebaker | we have 9 slots and so far 13 proposals | 20:22 |
| shardy | So we don't have any proposals from heat-core folks yet (myself included) | 20:22 |
| adrian_otto | I suggest that HOT template language support be listed first | 20:22 |
| shardy | Is that because you think everything is captured, or you've just not got to it yet? | 20:23 |
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| SpamapS | Note that there are some Heat related sessions in other tracks too. | 20:23 |
| SpamapS | http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/details/136 <-- Savanna | 20:23 |
| stevebaker | adrian_otto: do you mean HOT sessions should be first in the schedule? | 20:23 |
| shardy | I was considering proposing one re deferred auth, trusts, oauth etc, but not sure if the audience for that is wide enough to be justified | 20:23 |
| asalkeld | also maybe better parameter constraints | 20:24 |
| asalkeld | but not sure if there will be enough time | 20:24 |
| adrian_otto | stevebaker: no, in the Etherpad for release nodes. | 20:24 |
| adrian_otto | s/nodes/notes/ | 20:25 |
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| stevebaker | So I'll start evaluating what is there and come up with a proposed list of sessions, then anyone can have a chance to propose changes | 20:25 |
| tspatzier | asalkeld, maybe parameter constraints is something we can work on offline on the ML for example? | 20:25 |
| asalkeld | yeah | 20:25 |
| shardy | Yeah, we need to refine to ensure the various key topics get coverage | 20:26 |
| shardy | I think HOT roadmap, software config, and autoscaling are the big ones | 20:26 |
| asalkeld | +1 | 20:26 |
| tspatzier | +1 | 20:26 |
| asalkeld | I'd rather take more sessions for hot | 20:26 |
| stevebaker | yep | 20:26 |
| asalkeld | maybe we can split a session for 2 small ones | 20:27 |
| shardy | Yeah, may need more than one session for sub-topics related to each of those | 20:27 |
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| SpamapS | so there was a proposal from the Murano folk to have a pre-summit session to talk about some things. It may make sense to do a bit of small scale brain storming on the session list if we are feeling constrained. | 20:27 |
| asalkeld | that would be good | 20:27 |
| shardy | SpamapS: the only issue was they're suggesting G+ hangouts, which are limited to $n people aren't they? | 20:28 |
| stevebaker | I'll put the session list in an etherpad | 20:28 |
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| shardy | Perhaps an IRC meeting would be easier and more inclusive? | 20:28 |
| SpamapS | shardy: 10 | 20:28 |
| asalkeld | also there will be free session on other days | 20:28 |
| SpamapS | shardy: which is actually bigger than I'm thinking we should make it. | 20:28 |
| tspatzier | shardy, +1 | 20:28 |
| gokrokve | shardy: Hi. It can be anything including IRC. G+ hangouts just allow to use voice. | 20:29 |
| SpamapS | shardy: I'm more thinking we should consider a smaller discussion, with just a few people, to try and make sense of the proposals. | 20:29 |
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| shardy | SpamapS: Ok, but I'd like to keep the process as open as we can | 20:29 |
| SpamapS | we can record it | 20:29 |
| SpamapS | and even stream it | 20:29 |
| SpamapS | But I'm more thinking that a closed process might provoke more honesty and less political correctness. :) | 20:30 |
| gokrokve | SpamapS: agree. Webcast will help others to understand what was discussed. | 20:31 |
| m4dcoder | shardy: +1. i know my colleagues and i want to join the pre-summit discussion. unfortunately, we won't be at the design summit. | 20:31 |
| stevebaker | I'm hoping to spend more time on the components spec now that rc2 is close, we can have a session once I have my thoughts in a wiki | 20:31 |
| SpamapS | anyway, its just a thought. | 20:31 |
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| shardy | m4dcoder: sorry to hear that | 20:31 |
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| SpamapS | To be clear, I am suggesting a _different_ pre-summit discussion to talk about and try to merge/prune the list down to 9. | 20:31 |
| shardy | SpamapS: I think that discussion should happen here in our weekly meeting | 20:32 |
| lifeless | SpamapS: | 20:32 |
| lifeless | SpamapS: 'chatham house rules' | 20:32 |
| stevebaker | SpamapS: right, we can do that in an etherpad | 20:32 |
| lifeless | SpamapS: is what you're looking for, I think. | 20:32 |
| shardy | SpamapS: I thought you meant a f2f with the Murano folks to sync up re Heat capabilities and their requirements | 20:32 |
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| SpamapS | shardy: yeah that is a separate issue. | 20:33 |
| adrian_otto | shardy: I agree that subject pruning should be done here. | 20:33 |
| stevebaker | should we do that at next week's meeting? | 20:34 |
| shardy | stevebaker: Yup, I think that's a good plan | 20:34 |
| stevebaker | so all sessions must be proposed by this time next week | 20:35 |
| shardy | #info summit proposal decision to be discussed at next weeks meeting | 20:35 |
| uvirtbot | shardy: Error: "info" is not a valid command. | 20:35 |
| SpamapS | Ok, so fill up the etherpad this week, and we'll prune it next week. Sounds good to me. | 20:35 |
| shardy | #info all sessions must be proposed by this time next week | 20:35 |
| uvirtbot | shardy: Error: "info" is not a valid command. | 20:35 |
| shardy | Ok, cool, sounds like we have a plan | 20:35 |
| shardy | #topic Open discussion | 20:35 |
| uvirtbot | shardy: Error: "topic" is not a valid command. | 20:35 |
| shardy | Anyone have anything to raise? | 20:36 |
| asalkeld | samuelqueiroz, ... | 20:36 |
| asalkeld | samuelqueiroz, is going to help with scaling out docs | 20:36 |
| adrian_otto | I missed the link to the topic etherpad. | 20:36 |
| asalkeld | and wanted some help with content | 20:36 |
| samuelqueiroz | Hi, I'm new in the community and I m working on bug 1072958 | 20:37 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1072958 in heat "Create a getting started guide for scaling out" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1072958 | 20:37 |
| shardy | samuelqueiroz: welcome! | 20:37 |
| shardy | samuelqueiroz: sounds good | 20:37 |
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| adrian_otto | samuelqueiroz: welcome!! | 20:37 |
| samuelqueiroz | asalkeld: yes, thanks for this introduction | 20:37 |
| asalkeld | np | 20:37 |
| samuelqueiroz | shardy: ty | 20:37 |
| SpamapS | re scaling out: have we even touched on "the multi-engine race problem" ? | 20:37 |
| asalkeld | so there are new zookeeper options | 20:37 |
| tspatzier | adrian_otto, me too. And is that etherpad the master, or the submitted sessions at summit.openstack.org? | 20:38 |
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| shardy | adrian_otto, tspatzier: we'll review the proposals from http://summit.openstack.org/ | 20:39 |
| adrian_otto | SpamapS mentioned "fill the etherpad" but I think we should specify which etherpad link to use. | 20:39 |
| stevebaker | tspatzier, adrian_otto: maybe the summit site has enough collaboration tools for us to decide on sessions, I'll hava a play | 20:39 |
| asalkeld | well samuelqueiroz I'd suggest write something up and ask on #heat for particular questions | 20:39 |
| samuelqueiroz | asalkeld: we've been working on a corosync+pacemaker setting | 20:39 |
| adrian_otto | I wish it had a feature to filter by broject | 20:39 |
| adrian_otto | I need to Ctrl+F | 20:39 |
| adrian_otto | sort of lame | 20:39 |
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| tspatzier | adrian_otto, click the Topic header in the table. That will at least sort | 20:40 |
| adrian_otto | oh, nice! | 20:40 |
| shardy | https://etherpad.openstack.org/heat-icehouse-summit-proposals | 20:40 |
| shardy | cut/paste of what we have so far | 20:40 |
| samuelqueiroz | asalkeld: but it seem to me know that i should be using only a haproxy setting (as in a stateless environment) | 20:41 |
| stevebaker | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/heat-icehouse-summit-proposals | 20:41 |
| clarkb | adrian_otto: the source is at https://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack-infra/odsreg/tree/ and I am sure ttx would accept bug repots | 20:41 |
| uvirtbot | stevebaker: Error: "link" is not a valid command. | 20:41 |
| clarkb | mordred: ^ see what you did? | 20:41 |
| asalkeld | samuelqueiroz, you should send jason dunsmore an email | 20:42 |
| asalkeld | he wrote the support for multi engine | 20:42 |
| kebray | jason duns more is out of office until Monday next week, just fyi | 20:42 |
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| samuelqueiroz | asalkeld: ok, I m gonna contact him | 20:43 |
| mordred | clarkb: what did I did? | 20:43 |
| asalkeld | but as far as ha setup, I'd suggest heat would be using the same setup as the rest of the openstack projects | 20:43 |
| shardy | asalkeld: We didn't merge it all tho did we, so we can't document scaling out yet? | 20:43 |
| clarkb | mordred: you convinced soren to change the uvirtbot prefix to # which is what the openstack meetbot uses :) | 20:43 |
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| mordred | clarkb: AH. bwahahahahaaha | 20:43 |
| asalkeld | shardy, there is just the locking stuff | 20:43 |
| mordred | clarkb: well, we thought that was a good idea | 20:43 |
| asalkeld | IMO we need that in | 20:43 |
| mordred | clarkb: I admit now, it is not | 20:43 |
| shardy | asalkeld: lol @ "just" the locking ;) | 20:44 |
| samuelqueiroz | asalkeld: I m gonna test and learn about ha proxy | 20:44 |
| asalkeld | ok | 20:44 |
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| shardy | One thing to mention, is we're planning a stable/grizzly release | 20:45 |
| shardy | https://launchpad.net/heat/+milestone/2013.1.4 | 20:45 |
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| SpamapS | change it to 💩 | 20:45 |
| shardy | #link https://launchpad.net/heat/+milestone/2013.1.4 | 20:45 |
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| SpamapS | mordred: ^^ thats unicode "pile of poo" | 20:45 |
| asalkeld | shardy you should review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/49440/ | 20:46 |
| shardy | asalkeld: will do | 20:46 |
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| asalkeld | but if you don't want that guide written we need to tell samuelqueiroz | 20:47 |
| LRengan | I am new ... just wondering if there is a list of features that Heat team is shooting for the IceHouse release? | 20:47 |
| SpamapS | LRengan: see above discussion of blueprints :) | 20:48 |
| shardy | asalkeld: Not saying we shouldn't write it, I was just unsure if it actually worked yet | 20:48 |
| stevebaker | LRengan: that is what the summit is for, to decide on goals | 20:48 |
| asalkeld | or more generally https://blueprints.launchpad.net/heat | 20:48 |
| stevebaker | LRengan: but this is an open source project, so roadmaps are just a statement of intent, not a promise | 20:48 |
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| shardy | LRengan: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/heat/icehouse | 20:48 |
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| shardy | LRengan: still a work-in-progress pending summit discussions | 20:49 |
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| stevebaker | LRengan: if there is something specific that you want, you'll need to participate in the process somehow, or even better contribute some code ;) | 20:49 |
| LRengan | Thanks for that link | 20:50 |
| LRengan | Yes, I am hoping to participate .... will be in the summit. | 20:50 |
| shardy | LRengan: If you wish, you can propose blueprints yourself, which we can then discuss | 20:50 |
| LRengan | My interest is in the software orchestration ... there seems to be a couple of blueprints related to this | 20:51 |
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| LRengan | I will read them and join the discussions | 20:51 |
| adrian_otto | ok, I added numbering and links to https://etherpad.openstack.org/heat-icehouse-summit-proposals for us | 20:51 |
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| stevebaker | LRengan: can you call it software configuration please? | 20:51 |
| shardy | adrian_otto: thanks | 20:51 |
| SpamapS | Note that you can work on features that did not get discussed at the summit. We just gather consensus and focus for the broader team with summit sessions. | 20:51 |
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| LRengan | stevebaker: ok, will call it software configuration | 20:52 |
| LRengan | What is the general feeling about the current synchronization constructs: wait-conditions/signals? | 20:53 |
| LRengan | to me these seem a bit low level ... prone to classic dead-lock and race condition problems | 20:53 |
| shardy | LRengan: there is a discussion ongoing on openstack-dev related to that topic | 20:54 |
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| asalkeld | LRengan, I think people need to comeup with ideas and we can choose the best | 20:54 |
| shardy | LRengan: essentially we need better native serialization primitives | 20:54 |
| LRengan | sorry, may be this meeting is not the right venue for this type of detailed discussion. I will followup on the mailinglist | 20:54 |
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| shardy | but we dont yet know what they will look like yet | 20:54 |
| stevebaker | LRengan: I think there is scope for HOT at least hiding the complexity of the implementation | 20:54 |
| shardy | hopefully we will after discussions before/during the summit | 20:54 |
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| stevebaker | shall we wind up? | 20:55 |
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| shardy | stevebaker: good plan | 20:55 |
| asalkeld | yeah | 20:55 |
| shardy | Ok, unless anyone has anything else... | 20:55 |
| shardy | #endmeeting | 20:56 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Oct 9 20:56:07 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:56 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2013/heat.2013-10-09-20.00.html | 20:56 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2013/heat.2013-10-09-20.00.txt | 20:56 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2013/heat.2013-10-09-20.00.log.html | 20:56 |
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| thomasm | Hello | 21:03 |
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| dhellmann | hi, thomasm | 21:03 |
| sandywalsh | <echo> | 21:03 |
| dragondm | Just awaiting meeting start. | 21:03 |
| sandywalsh | *tumbleweeds | 21:03 |
| thomasm | Haha, a bit of synesthesia there. | 21:03 |
| * dragondm *chirrup* *chirrup* ... | 21:03 | |
| terriyu | beep beep | 21:03 |
| * thomasm sip | 21:04 | |
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| lsmola | hehe | 21:04 |
| eglynn | time is a-wastin' ... | 21:04 |
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| thomasm | eglynn, Hey, not sure if you saw. My backport patch is back up for review since gate is passing now. =] | 21:05 |
| eglynn | anyone else got karma to kick off the meeting? | 21:05 |
| dhellmann | should we start without jd__ ? | 21:05 |
| thomasm | the timestamp ordering for SQLAlchemy | 21:05 |
| dhellmann | #startmeeting ceilometer | 21:05 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Oct 9 21:05:50 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dhellmann. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:05 |
| uvirtbot | dhellmann: Error: "startmeeting" is not a valid command. | 21:05 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:05 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ceilometer' | 21:05 |
| dhellmann | hmm | 21:06 |
| eglynn | thomasm: yeah, I'm gonna do a trawl of actual & potential backports tmrw | 21:06 |
| dhellmann | got an error, but the meeting started, so I have no idea | 21:06 |
| eglynn | (meant to get to it today) | 21:06 |
| dhellmann | ok, agenda at https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/MeteringAgenda | 21:06 |
| thomasm | Ahhhh, gotcha. No worries. Just wanted to letcha know. | 21:06 |
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| dhellmann | roll call, please | 21:06 |
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| eglynn | thomasm: (but swamped with potential RC2 stuff) | 21:06 |
| dhellmann | o/ | 21:06 |
| eglynn | o/ | 21:06 |
| terriyu | o/ | 21:06 |
| thomasm | o/ | 21:06 |
| dragondm | o/ | 21:06 |
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| lsmola | o/ | 21:07 |
| dhellmann | #topic eglynn: do we need to cut an additional havana-rc2 milestone | 21:07 |
| thomasm | totally understandable | 21:07 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to "eglynn: do we need to cut an additional havana-rc2 milestone (Meeting topic: ceilometer)" | 21:07 | |
| sandywalsh | o/ | 21:07 |
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| tri2sing | o/ | 21:07 |
| eglynn | yeah so I've been testing RC1-based packages on Fedora | 21:07 |
| dhellmann | eglynn, want to take this one? | 21:07 |
| eglynn | yep | 21:08 |
| eglynn | I've come across a couple stinkers that I think warrent cutting an RC2 | 21:08 |
| eglynn | here are the one's I'm most concerned with ... | 21:08 |
| dhellmann | are they tagged as such in the bug tracker? | 21:08 |
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| eglynn | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ceilometer/+bugs?field.tag=havana-rc-potential&field.importance=high | 21:08 |
| uvirtbot | eglynn: Error: "link" is not a valid command. | 21:08 |
| eglynn | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ceilometer/+bugs?field.tag=havana-rc-potential&field.importance=high | 21:08 |
| eglynn | dhellmann: yeah tagged with havana-rc-potential | 21:09 |
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| dhellmann | eglynn: I suppose we'd need jd__ to talk to ttx about opening a window? | 21:09 |
| dragondm | go home uvirtbot, you're drunk. | 21:09 |
| sandywalsh | yeah that link one is confusing | 21:09 |
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| thomasm | yep | 21:09 |
| eglynn | so without the (simple) fixes for https://bugs.launchpad.net/ceilometer/+bug/1237578 & https://bugs.launchpad.net/ceilometer/+bug/1237589 the combination alarm feature will simply not work out-of-the-box | 21:09 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1237578 in ceilometer "combination alarm evaluator entry point is missing" [High,In progress] | 21:10 |
| gordc | i think we have two other patches currently proposed for rc as well. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/49508/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/49507/ | 21:10 |
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| eglynn | seems illogical not to cut an RC2 for those combo issues, seeing as we begged a FFE for RC1 for the feature in the first place | 21:10 |
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| eglynn | also this one while simple is potentially very user-visible https://bugs.launchpad.net/ceilometer/+bug/1237659 | 21:11 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1237659 in ceilometer "API error message faultstring sometimes refers to previous failure" [Undecided,New] | 21:11 |
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| dhellmann | 1237578 seems simple enough | 21:11 |
| dhellmann | as does 1237589 | 21:12 |
| eglynn | the fix for 1237659 should be straight-forward, and should IMHO go in if an RC2 is being cut anyway | 21:12 |
| dhellmann | how did we miss those in tests? | 21:12 |
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| dhellmann | gordc, are the bugs for those changes tagged havana-rc-potential? | 21:12 |
| eglynn | dhellmann: in one case the units mocked up the wrong attribute which caused the issue to be missed | 21:13 |
| dhellmann | eglynn: ah, I see that now | 21:13 |
| dhellmann | and I guess we're not testing that our entrypoints load? | 21:13 |
| eglynn | dhellmann: but it seems that not much system/integration testing was done for that feature | 21:13 |
| gordc | dhellmann: not sure. let met check. jd__ put them in since they didn't get in before he tagged icehouse. | 21:13 |
| eglynn | dhellmann: e.g. nothing in tempest | 21:13 |
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| gordc | dhellmann: those bugs are tagged. | 21:14 |
| eglynn | so I guess jd__ will have to make the call on the to-RC2-or-not-to-RC2 question | 21:14 |
| dhellmann | eglynn: yeah, we could unit test all of the plugins to ensure they are all loading, but making a list of them to test dynamically would be a circular problem :-) | 21:14 |
| dhellmann | eglynn: yeah, let's get our ducks in a row for him | 21:14 |
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| eglynn | dhellmann: yep | 21:14 |
| eglynn | reviews obviously welcomed for the patches already proposed | 21:15 |
| dhellmann | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/50710/ is approved | 21:15 |
| thomasm | I just starred them to review | 21:15 |
| eglynn | sooner the fixes are on the master, the sooner we can backport to milestone proposed | 21:15 |
| dhellmann | the other will take a little more reading, so I'll look at it again after the meeting | 21:15 |
| thomasm | The two that were linked | 21:15 |
| eglynn | dhellmann, thomasm: cool thanks | 21:15 |
| gordc | we got 10 bugs tagged for havana-rc-potential. | 21:16 |
| dhellmann | anything else? | 21:16 |
| dragondm | I'll throw some reviews thataway too. | 21:16 |
| dhellmann | gordc: have a link to that query? | 21:16 |
| eglynn | that's it from me on that topic | 21:16 |
| eglynn | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ceilometer/+bugs?field.tag=havana-rc-potential | 21:16 |
| eglynn | dhellmann: ^^^ | 21:16 |
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| dhellmann | ok, next | 21:17 |
| dhellmann | #topic Release python-ceilometerclient | 21:17 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Release python-ceilometerclient (Meeting topic: ceilometer)" | 21:17 | |
| eglynn | I cut 1.0.6 late last week | 21:17 |
| eglynn | however the requirements version update hit a speedbump | 21:17 |
| dhellmann | have we had any changes merge since then that warrant another release this week? | 21:17 |
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| dhellmann | requirements for other projects using our client? | 21:17 |
| gordc | eglynn: was going to ask about requirements. i remember it failing | 21:17 |
| eglynn | yeah haven't had time yet to figure out why the gate failed on https://review.openstack.org/49696 | 21:18 |
| eglynn | dhellmann: yep, heat is | 21:18 |
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| dhellmann | ah | 21:18 |
| dhellmann | well, that seems separate from the issue of whether we should do another release ourselves | 21:18 |
| jd__ | o/ | 21:19 |
| gordc | dhellmann: i don't think we merged anything since 1.0.6, eglynn you can correct me if i'm wrong. | 21:19 |
| dhellmann | hi, jd__ ! | 21:19 |
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| eglynn | dhellmann: I don't know of anything new to warrant it | 21:19 |
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| dhellmann | ok, I think it's safe to say no for this week -- we can always change our minds | 21:19 |
| eglynn | dhellmann: cool, agreed | 21:20 |
| eglynn | dhellmann: need to get this failure sorted first in any case ... http://logs.openstack.org/96/49696/1/check/check-tempest-devstack-vm-full/33a6c6b/console.html | 21:20 |
| dhellmann | jd__, see the backlog for rc2 discussion. tl;dr: we think we need one, about 1/2 dozen smallish changes | 21:20 |
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| eglynn | "Process leaked file descriptors." ... eeek! | 21:20 |
| dhellmann | oh, that's not the error | 21:20 |
| dhellmann | that's just something that jenkins reports, but you can ignore that | 21:20 |
| thomasm | Mostly high visibility low risk changes, is what it looked like to me. | 21:21 |
| * jd__ reading backlog | 21:21 | |
| dhellmann | the error is going to be in one of the logs with a traceback | 21:21 |
| dhellmann | I think the test jobs always lead fds when they fail for some reason | 21:21 |
| thomasm | 2013-10-08 11:02:30.574 | 2013-10-08 11:02:30 pkg_resources.DistributionNotFound: ceilometer | 21:21 |
| eglynn | dhellmann: a-ha, OK, thanks for the pointer | 21:21 |
| thomasm | ^_- | 21:21 |
| dhellmann | s/lead/leak/ | 21:22 |
| dhellmann | thomasm: sounds like an installation failure | 21:22 |
| thomasm | Yep | 21:22 |
| dhellmann | ok, next up | 21:22 |
| eglynn | thomasm: that's weird, given that the python-ceilometerclient (as opposed to ceilometer) version changed | 21:22 |
| dhellmann | #topic Removal of core membership for inactive contributors | 21:22 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Removal of core membership for inactive contributors (Meeting topic: ceilometer)" | 21:22 | |
| dhellmann | this was, I assume, jd__'s topic | 21:23 |
| eglynn | where do we set the bar for inactivity? | 21:23 |
| jd__ | eglynn, dhellmann: ok, i'll ask ttx to open a rc2 window; we also need for the fix to land in master soon, the release date approaches fast | 21:23 |
| eglynn | jd__: great, thanks! | 21:23 |
| jd__ | eglynn: I think having a few reviews in the last 90 days is a minimum | 21:23 |
| dhellmann | eglynn: I think we have a few people who have done no reviews this cycle | 21:23 |
| eglynn | jd__: yep, agreed | 21:23 |
| jd__ | the people I listed on the agenda have 0 | 21:23 |
| dhellmann | ah, 90 days, ok | 21:23 |
| dhellmann | John Tran, jiang, yunhong | 21:24 |
| jd__ | well, likely even for 180 days -- I didn't check | 21:24 |
| eglynn | I think it's fine to remove them, as long as it's made clear there | 21:24 |
| dhellmann | #link http://russellbryant.net/openstack-stats/ceilometer-reviewers-90.txt | 21:24 |
| eglynn | 's a path back in if they so desire and are willing to restart reviewing | 21:24 |
| dhellmann | #link http://russellbryant.net/openstack-stats/ceilometer-reviewers-180.txt | 21:24 |
| dhellmann | jtran has done 2 reviews in 180 days | 21:25 |
| jd__ | which is very very low :) | 21:25 |
| dhellmann | eglynn: yes | 21:25 |
| jd__ | eglynn: sure | 21:25 |
| jd__ | do we want to vote on that or is it good enough if I take the action? | 21:26 |
| sandywalsh | I think nova requires something like 10 reviews in 30 days or something | 21:26 |
| dhellmann | it seems appropriate to vote | 21:26 |
| * gordc will follow any decision made | 21:26 | |
| * dhellmann remembers how to do that | 21:26 | |
| eglynn | 10 seems reasonable | 21:26 |
| dhellmann | #vote Remove jtran, jiang, yunhong as core reviewers due to inactivity | 21:27 |
| dhellmann | nope | 21:27 |
| dhellmann | jd__, do you remember the command? | 21:27 |
| thomasm | maybe poll? | 21:27 |
| sandywalsh | #help | 21:27 |
| jd__ | dhellmann: http://ci.openstack.org/meetbot.html #startvote | 21:27 |
| dhellmann | I'm looking for the instructions | 21:27 |
| gordc | dhellmann: startvote | 21:28 |
| eglynn | #startvote | 21:28 |
| eglynn | http://ci.openstack.org/irc.html | 21:28 |
| dhellmann | #startvote Remove jtran, jiang, yunhong as core reviewers due to inactivity? Yes, No, Abstain | 21:28 |
| openstack | Begin voting on: Remove jtran, jiang, yunhong as core reviewers due to inactivity? Valid vote options are Yes, No, Abstain. | 21:28 |
| openstack | Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. | 21:28 |
| jd__ | #vote yes | 21:28 |
| dhellmann | #vote yes | 21:28 |
| gordc | lol | 21:28 |
| gordc | #vote yes | 21:28 |
| tri2sing | #vote yes | 21:28 |
| eglynn | #vote yes | 21:28 |
| gordc | i thought it would be secret. | 21:28 |
| terriyu | #vote abstain | 21:29 |
| dhellmann | gordc: no secrets here! | 21:29 |
| jd__ | this is open source, there's no secret | 21:29 |
| thomasm | lol | 21:29 |
| dragondm | heh | 21:29 |
| jd__ | gordc: so what did you eat at lunch btw? | 21:29 |
| jd__ | :-) | 21:29 |
| gordc | lol well this is awkward... | 21:29 |
| thomasm | Whoa | 21:29 |
| dragondm | Too many secrets. The password is 'swordfish' ... | 21:29 |
| gordc | jd__: i had a cafeteria food. highly not recommended. | 21:30 |
| dhellmann | anyone else going to vote? | 21:30 |
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| jd__ | #vote gordc-to-stop-cafeteria-food | 21:30 |
| openstack | jd__: gordc-to-stop-cafeteria-food is not a valid option. Valid options are Yes, No, Abstain. | 21:30 |
| dhellmann | I guess it's really just cores | 21:30 |
| jd__ | gordc: sorry for you, the bot has talked! | 21:30 |
| thomasm | Yeah. I would except I just started a month or so ago on the project. :) | 21:30 |
| terriyu | thomasm: you can abstain if you'd like ? :) | 21:31 |
| gordc | jd__: vote to give me more lunch money :) | 21:31 |
| jd__ | yeah we'll need to have the core member list inside gerrit to have a better voting system :) | 21:31 |
| thomasm | #vote abstain | 21:31 |
| thomasm | there we go | 21:31 |
| dhellmann | ok | 21:31 |
| dhellmann | #stopvote | 21:31 |
| dhellmann | #endvote | 21:32 |
| openstack | Voted on "Remove jtran, jiang, yunhong as core reviewers due to inactivity?" Results are | 21:32 |
| openstack | Yes (5): jd__, dhellmann, eglynn, tri2sing, gordc | 21:32 |
| openstack | Abstain (2): thomasm, terriyu | 21:32 |
| dhellmann | one day I'll learn to use the bot... | 21:32 |
| dhellmann | and then watch out | 21:32 |
| lsmola | lol | 21:32 |
| thomasm | He'll be dangerous! | 21:32 |
| * thomasm shudders | 21:32 | |
| dhellmann | ok, that's it for the formal agenda | 21:32 |
| dhellmann | #topic open discussion | 21:32 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open discussion (Meeting topic: ceilometer)" | 21:32 | |
| terriyu | I'm doing research on fun stuff to do and good stuff to eat in Hong Kong | 21:33 |
| terriyu | let me know if there's anything you'd like me to research | 21:33 |
| jd__ | I've just removed John and jiang from ceilometer-core/drivers | 21:33 |
| terriyu | or if you'd like to see the results of said research | 21:33 |
| sandywalsh | any new cores going to backfill? (hint hint ;) | 21:33 |
| dragondm | Hint hint. Also. | 21:34 |
| dhellmann | terriyu: a wiki page would be really helpful | 21:34 |
| eglynn | backfill == goodness methinks | 21:34 |
| terriyu | dhellmann: ok, the OpenStack wiki ? | 21:34 |
| dhellmann | terriyu: sure! | 21:35 |
| dhellmann | maybe some other folks will help by adding to it | 21:35 |
| dragondm | btw, who all is going to be @ HK? | 21:35 |
| terriyu | o/ | 21:35 |
| dragondm | (I will be, btw) | 21:35 |
| dhellmann | sandywalsh: that's a good question, maybe to be addressed at/after the summit? | 21:35 |
| eglynn | o/ | 21:35 |
| dhellmann | o/ | 21:35 |
| dragondm | o/ | 21:35 |
| sandywalsh | o/ | 21:35 |
| * gordc got approval to go. | 21:36 | |
| dragondm | dhellmann: Sounds good. | 21:36 |
| * thomasm can't go and is very sad about it. | 21:36 | |
| terriyu | I'll take photos for you, thomasm :( | 21:36 |
| thomasm | Aww, thanks. =] | 21:36 |
| dragondm | thomasm: I'll get you some tacky souvenirs. | 21:37 |
| * terriyu remembers the infamous "Made in Hong Kong" clothes her parents had to wear as a child | 21:37 | |
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| thomasm | Hahaha, yay!!! | 21:37 |
| dhellmann | :-) | 21:38 |
| gordc | thomasm: send us a full sized cardboard cut out. we'll put your cut out in the pictures. almost as good as being there. | 21:38 |
| dhellmann | unless there's anything else, we can wrap up early tonight | 21:38 |
| terriyu | I'm pretty sure jd__ is going to HK | 21:38 |
| dragondm | terriyu: I'd assume so. | 21:38 |
| eglynn | apologies folks, I gotta bail pretty soon ... | 21:38 |
| thomasm | Lol, that'll be awkward for Dragon to get on the plane with. | 21:38 |
| eglynn | (getting late on this side of the pond) | 21:38 |
| thomasm | dragondm* | 21:38 |
| jd__ | eglynn: just sent a mail to ttx with in you in cc about rc2 :) | 21:38 |
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| eglynn | jd__: great, thanks! | 21:39 |
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| dhellmann | ok, I think we're done for the evening | 21:40 |
| dhellmann | thank you all! | 21:40 |
| thomasm | gordc, I'm actually really wondering where I could get a full-sized cut out of myself. I can think of a million uses for it. | 21:40 |
| thomasm | yep yep! Cheers! | 21:40 |
| dhellmann | #endmeeting | 21:40 |
| jd__ | happy hacking guys! | 21:40 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Oct 9 21:40:35 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:40 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ceilometer/2013/ceilometer.2013-10-09-21.05.html | 21:40 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ceilometer/2013/ceilometer.2013-10-09-21.05.txt | 21:40 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ceilometer/2013/ceilometer.2013-10-09-21.05.log.html | 21:40 |
| lsmola | good night | 21:41 |
| dragondm | 'gnight all. | 21:41 |
| terriyu | good night | 21:41 |
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