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| NobodyCam | #startmeeting Ironic | 19:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Mon Oct 14 19:00:06 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is NobodyCam. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:00 |
| NobodyCam | #chair devananda | 19:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Ironic)" | 19:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ironic' | 19:00 |
| openstack | Current chairs: NobodyCam devananda | 19:00 |
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| NobodyCam | Welcome everyone to the Ironic meeting. The agenda can ofc be found at: | 19:00 |
| NobodyCam | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Ironic#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 19:00 |
| NobodyCam | #toplic Greetings, roll-call and announcements | 19:00 |
| NobodyCam | Who's here for the Ironic Meeting? | 19:00 |
| dkehn | ping | 19:00 |
| devananda | \o | 19:00 |
| romcheg | \o | 19:00 |
| yuriyz | here | 19:00 |
| NobodyCam | Hi all | 19:01 |
| NobodyCam | the only announcement I have is no new news on hoodies | 19:01 |
| lucasagomes | hi | 19:01 |
| NobodyCam | they are still in progress | 19:01 |
| romcheg | NobodyCam: Is there still a change to get one for yuriyz? | 19:01 |
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| NobodyCam | yes we thing we are getting >= 20 | 19:02 |
| romcheg | cool | 19:02 |
| GheRivero | o/ | 19:02 |
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| NobodyCam | any other announcements | 19:02 |
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| NobodyCam | hey welcome GheRivero | 19:02 |
| NobodyCam | (and lucasagomes0 | 19:02 |
| linggao | and me | 19:03 |
| NobodyCam | oh sorry linggao | 19:03 |
| NobodyCam | (/me didnt see you) | 19:03 |
| devananda | no announcement from me | 19:03 |
| NobodyCam | ok then | 19:03 |
| linggao | np, I was quiet. | 19:03 |
| NobodyCam | #topic Hong Kong design summit paper talks | 19:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Hong Kong design summit paper talks (Meeting topic: Ironic)" | 19:03 | |
| NobodyCam | Ok I had a action item for a slot to discuss the summit papers so here it is :) | 19:03 |
| NobodyCam | These are our current papers: (All great submissions) | 19:03 |
| NobodyCam | #link http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/details/57 | 19:03 |
| NobodyCam | #link http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/details/97 | 19:03 |
| NobodyCam | #link http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/details/108 | 19:03 |
| NobodyCam | (sorry of the bulk paste) | 19:03 |
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| NobodyCam | #link http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/details/112 | 19:03 |
| NobodyCam | #link http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/details/139 | 19:03 |
| NobodyCam | #link http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/details/183 | 19:04 |
| devananda | so | 19:04 |
| devananda | we have 5 slots | 19:04 |
| devananda | i've already moved the talk about exposign IPMI polling for Ceilometer to the Ceilometer track | 19:04 |
| devananda | and will be merging one or two of the above proposals | 19:05 |
| devananda | but all the ideas have been great, and there's still a few weeks if anyone has more | 19:05 |
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| NobodyCam | 108 and 97 could go toghether | 19:05 |
| devananda | yep | 19:05 |
| devananda | and parts of 183 (scaling) could possibly be moved into 112 (HA) | 19:06 |
| devananda | to make the talks a little more focused | 19:06 |
| * NobodyCam likes ghe's | 19:06 | |
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| devananda | that's it from me -- any questions or feedback? | 19:07 |
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| NobodyCam | we can post coments on each paper | 19:07 |
| NobodyCam | ok moving on then | 19:08 |
| NobodyCam | #topic Outstanding, in-progress or Action Item updates | 19:08 |
| NobodyCam | From the Agenda: | 19:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Outstanding, in-progress or Action Item updates (Meeting topic: Ironic)" | 19:08 | |
| NobodyCam | devananda to write framework for noav-ironic driver | 19:08 |
| NobodyCam | lucasagomes to add CLI docs to ironic developer doc pages | 19:08 |
| NobodyCam | romcheg to propose a non-gating job to -infra | 19:08 |
| NobodyCam | romcheg to add python-ironicclient to devstack install scripts | 19:08 |
| NobodyCam | devananda to think about a Transifex project for Ironic | 19:08 |
| NobodyCam | romcheg looking at Ukrainian and Russian transifex translations | 19:08 |
| NobodyCam | romcheg Check how i18n conplient we are | 19:08 |
| NobodyCam | (again sorry) | 19:08 |
| lucasagomes | yea will put on my todo list, I didn't do that yet | 19:09 |
| lucasagomes | i've to make some changes on the CLI as well | 19:09 |
| NobodyCam | devananda: I will bring up the nova review in client section | 19:09 |
| NobodyCam | any updates on the Transifex stuff? | 19:10 |
| devananda | ah! yes | 19:10 |
| devananda | I think clarkb said it's all set up and ready for us to propose jobs | 19:10 |
| lucasagomes | sweet :) | 19:10 |
| linggao | Are we at the stage where we can use ironic to deploy a baremetal node yet? If true, then we need to have a doc for how to do it. | 19:10 |
| NobodyCam | w00t | 19:10 |
| romcheg | I'm still trying to catch up with devstack and waiting until all blockers got merged to test tempest before submitting a job to infra | 19:10 |
| lucasagomes | I was thinking about the translation I can translate it to brazilian portuguese as well | 19:10 |
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| linggao | I am eager to see such a doc so that I can play it in my cluster. | 19:11 |
| devananda | linggao: not yet. it can turn power on/off to a node today. but deploy is untested, and doing it properly still requires the nova driver (not yet written) | 19:11 |
| NobodyCam | also I maybe not the right topic but I hear nova client is gating in python3 on | 19:11 |
| romcheg | by blockers I mean a fix with the policy and a problem with the time which is already merged | 19:11 |
| linggao | devananda, should we have a doc that we keep updating, that way the folks can play with the existing functions. | 19:12 |
| lucasagomes | NobodyCam, afaik we were too, but we stopped cause of the dependency on the keystone client | 19:12 |
| NobodyCam | ya | 19:12 |
| lucasagomes | well it's there but it's non-voting in the moment | 19:12 |
| linggao | Now I can only play with the unit test cases | 19:12 |
| devananda | romcheg: i'll take a look at the policy changes you just psoted after the meeting | 19:13 |
| devananda | romcheg: assuming those are good and land today, anything else blockign the tempest patch (https://review.openstack.org/#/c/48109/) ? | 19:13 |
| NobodyCam | we are doing much better on time then I had thought we would be | 19:13 |
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| romcheg | devananda: thanks. Yes, it looks like it's the only blocker now | 19:14 |
| NobodyCam | :) | 19:14 |
| linggao | devananda, even how some of you setup your cluster for testing the APIs etc. | 19:14 |
| devananda | romcheg: great! I'll do that toady :) | 19:14 |
| romcheg | Thanks | 19:14 |
| NobodyCam | anything else on open / action items | 19:14 |
| devananda | regardign i18n compliance, do we have an open bug report? | 19:14 |
| devananda | that seems like something we could take off of romcheg's plate and let anyone else tackle in parallel | 19:15 |
| NobodyCam | linggao: are you using devstack or dib for testing | 19:15 |
| lucasagomes | splitting work is always good, I don't think we have a bug open | 19:15 |
| * lucasagomes checking | 19:15 | |
| NobodyCam | I though we had vage bug for it | 19:15 |
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| NobodyCam | lol | 19:16 |
| linggao | NobodyCam, I just use testr for now. But in the middle of setting up using devstack. | 19:16 |
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| anyone_else | anyone_else will be happy to help | 19:16 |
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| NobodyCam | oh to good romcheg | 19:16 |
| devananda | lucasagomes: we have a few folks getting up to speed (linggao and rloo) and even splitting some of the API work out might be good for them | 19:16 |
| NobodyCam | linggao: the walk thurs do work | 19:16 |
| NobodyCam | linggao: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Ironic | 19:17 |
| lucasagomes | devananda, indeed, martyntaylor's also working on the api | 19:17 |
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| lucasagomes | I can def map somethings that needs to be done in the API | 19:17 |
| devananda | linggao: as far as my test env, i have a seed VM and an ironic VM which is running all the services in it. | 19:17 |
| linggao | NobodyCam, thanks. I'll follow that doc. | 19:17 |
| NobodyCam | lucasagomes: # action??? | 19:18 |
| lucasagomes | NobodyCam, could be :) | 19:18 |
| devananda | linggao: so i am testing in that "ironic vm" when i need to run things outside of venv | 19:18 |
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| linggao | devananda, lucusagomes, yes. I am willing to take more works. | 19:18 |
| linggao | Please assign me something. | 19:18 |
| devananda | linggao: thanks! | 19:18 |
| lucasagomes | np | 19:18 |
| NobodyCam | #action map somethings that needs to be done in the API | 19:19 |
| NobodyCam | gah | 19:19 |
| NobodyCam | #action lucasagomes map somethings that needs to be done in the API | 19:19 |
| romcheg | lucasagomes: what about bookmark links? | 19:19 |
| lucasagomes | that's one :) | 19:19 |
| devananda | #action devananda to update ironic wiki tripleo walkthrough to include "how to update code in the undercloud" | 19:19 |
| lucasagomes | bookmark links currently are retuning 404 | 19:19 |
| lucasagomes | if u wanna take a look at it linggao | 19:19 |
| NobodyCam | devananda: ^^^ with rebuilding | 19:20 |
| devananda | NobodyCam: withOUT rebuilding the undercloud | 19:20 |
| NobodyCam | sounds like a adhoc script that would be cool | 19:20 |
| devananda | NobodyCam: i've got it so that I ssh into undercloud, sudo su -, cd $somepath, git review -d ###, service ironic-conductor restart | 19:20 |
| NobodyCam | updateironic.sh | 19:20 |
| devananda | something like that | 19:20 |
| linggao | lucasagomes, what do you want me to take a look? | 19:20 |
| NobodyCam | nice | 19:21 |
| NobodyCam | :) | 19:21 |
| NobodyCam | #topic Integration and testing | 19:21 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Integration and testing (Meeting topic: Ironic)" | 19:21 | |
| romcheg | lucasagomes, linggao: should bokmark links return redirects to the latest version of the API or just resources? | 19:21 |
| NobodyCam | should catch up the topic | 19:21 |
| lucasagomes | linggao, the API generates some bookmarks links, currently they are not working | 19:21 |
| lucasagomes | we talk in the API topic about it | 19:21 |
| lucasagomes | sorry NobodyCam | 19:21 |
| linggao | lucasagomes, sure. I'll take a look. | 19:21 |
| NobodyCam | lol | 19:21 |
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| NobodyCam | I think we covered the devstack issue so moving on thru | 19:22 |
| NobodyCam | #topic Python-IronicClient | 19:22 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Python-IronicClient (Meeting topic: Ironic)" | 19:22 | |
| linggao | I'm finishing up removing of the mox from the unit testcases with rloo. | 19:23 |
| NobodyCam | WOW this is suck a awesome review to see :) | 19:23 |
| NobodyCam | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/51328/ | 19:23 |
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| linggao | we'll free of mox very soon. | 19:23 |
| lucasagomes | ironic client... there's one thing needed which is blocking the ironic driver on nova | 19:23 |
| NobodyCam | linggao: oops | 19:23 |
| lucasagomes | which is access nodes->ports | 19:23 |
| lucasagomes | like GET /nodes/<uuid>/ports | 19:23 |
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| linggao | NobodyCam, np. I am slow at typing. | 19:24 |
| lucasagomes | another neat feature that needs to be added is multi operations when creating a patch to a resource | 19:24 |
| NobodyCam | :) | 19:24 |
| NobodyCam | (so is /me) | 19:24 |
| lucasagomes | like add,remove,replace in the same CLI cmd | 19:24 |
| lucasagomes | and documentation | 19:24 |
| NobodyCam | lucasagomes: client needs driver-list too | 19:24 |
| lucasagomes | NobodyCam, yea but that's needed in Ironic first | 19:24 |
| NobodyCam | :) | 19:24 |
| devananda | lucasagomes: i would put multi-operation-in-cli pretty low on the priority list, fwiw | 19:25 |
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| devananda | lucasagomes: validate-on-create would basically solve the current need for that | 19:25 |
| lucasagomes | devananda, indeed, and we need to talk about it on the API topic | 19:25 |
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| devananda | lucasagomes: and if, at some point, we have a driver update that makes it require different fields, we'd need to tag a db migration in the same patch | 19:26 |
| devananda | i haven't mentioned that before :) | 19:26 |
| NobodyCam | :-p | 19:26 |
| devananda | but basically, we should try not to break nodes that might currently be working when we change a driver's required fields | 19:26 |
| NobodyCam | do we have anything on how to do a db change? | 19:27 |
| lucasagomes | yea, well I was thinking about the required fields, actually I've a patch in gerrit that makes driver/driver_info required at node creation | 19:27 |
| lucasagomes | its WIP | 19:27 |
| devananda | NobodyCam: there are db migrations already in the tree. just follow the patterns | 19:27 |
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| NobodyCam | :) | 19:27 |
| lucasagomes | it works but it's kinda hacky | 19:27 |
| lucasagomes | cause the way that TaskManager works, we need to create the node before and then validate it | 19:28 |
| devananda | yea | 19:28 |
| lucasagomes | if validation fails we delete that node | 19:28 |
| NobodyCam | anything else on the cli | 19:28 |
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| NobodyCam | lucasagomes: ieek | 19:28 |
| lucasagomes | NobodyCam, not really, we are already talking about the API hehe | 19:28 |
| NobodyCam | #topic API discussion | 19:28 |
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| NobodyCam | :-p | 19:28 |
| lucasagomes | devananda, also, should properties be required? | 19:29 |
| NobodyCam | ieek was for the delete comment | 19:29 |
| lucasagomes | NobodyCam, yea :( I know | 19:29 |
| lucasagomes | that's why I got me thinking about the validation at creation time | 19:29 |
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| devananda | lucasagomes: rather than API:create, RPC:validate, if fails: API:delete | 19:29 |
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| devananda | lucasagomes: what about moving all the create logic into the conductor? | 19:30 |
| devananda | lucasagomes: and passign the dict over RPC. the return over RPC would either be a node obj or an exception | 19:30 |
| lucasagomes | devananda, will look a bit better, but we still need to create the node in the db first | 19:30 |
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| lucasagomes | cause of the taskmanager rigth? it puts some flags on the db | 19:31 |
| devananda | yep | 19:31 |
| NobodyCam | also we talked about restarting. what would happen if someone created a node then removed the driver and restarted | 19:31 |
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| devananda | lucasagomes: could also create an empty node in the db, then validate the whole dataset | 19:31 |
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| devananda | lucasagomes: rather than risk that a node with data in the db could linger ,if the api crashed during validation | 19:32 |
| lucasagomes | devananda, yea... but another thing about having it as required is the size of the CLI to create a node | 19:32 |
| devananda | (not great either way -- an empty node is bad, too) | 19:32 |
| devananda | lucasagomes: true | 19:32 |
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| lucasagomes | NobodyCam, hmmmmmmmmmmm it will fail when he tries to deploy/powerupa node | 19:32 |
| lucasagomes | NobodyCam, cause there's validations at the start of each of those actions | 19:32 |
| devananda | lucasagomes: then we don't require nodes to have valid data for update. | 19:32 |
| lucasagomes | NobodyCam, and if the driver is not there it's going to fail anyway :D | 19:33 |
| lucasagomes | devananda, that's what I was thinking about | 19:33 |
| lucasagomes | after starting coding, I thought that it would be a pain to people to create a node | 19:33 |
| lucasagomes | if all those fields are required | 19:33 |
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| lucasagomes | devananda, you know what would be good, if we have someway to trigger the validation | 19:34 |
| lucasagomes | like after u input all the data but before deploying/powering up | 19:34 |
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| NobodyCam | node.validate() | 19:34 |
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| lucasagomes | from the api | 19:34 |
| devananda | it's actually going to be impossible to validate driver.deploy at node creation time | 19:34 |
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| devananda | since nova won't populate the details for a deploy until someone actually creates a nova instance and spawn()s it | 19:35 |
| devananda | so | 19:35 |
| devananda | yes | 19:35 |
| devananda | we have to allow update on invalid data sets | 19:35 |
| lucasagomes | devananda, a-ha! | 19:35 |
| lucasagomes | right | 19:35 |
| lucasagomes | I will remove the validations from update | 19:35 |
| lucasagomes | #action :) | 19:35 |
| lucasagomes | devananda, also, chassis_id, required or not? | 19:35 |
| devananda | #action lucasagomes to remove validation from API update method | 19:35 |
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| lucasagomes | it's required for ports so I think it makes sense to be on nodes as well | 19:36 |
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| devananda | lucasagomes: yea. even if in a small deploy, someone just creates one dummy chassis to hold all their nodes | 19:36 |
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| devananda | i think it's fair that we say node.chassis_id NOT NULL | 19:36 |
| lucasagomes | so we have a consistent workflow to create the resources 1. create chassis 2. create the node for the chassis 3. create the ports for the nodes | 19:36 |
| lucasagomes | devananda, +1 | 19:36 |
| NobodyCam | yea +1 | 19:37 |
| devananda | 4. populate node's driver info (for the power driver) | 19:37 |
| GheRivero | +1 | 19:37 |
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| lucasagomes | :) yea | 19:37 |
| devananda | so in terms of manually triggering a driver.interface.validate() | 19:37 |
| devananda | we may want to expose which interfaces pass/fail | 19:37 |
| lucasagomes | devananda, yea, i gotta think how we are exposing that tho | 19:38 |
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| devananda | eg, GET /nodes/xxx/validate might return {'power': True, 'deploy': False, 'console': NotSupported} | 19:38 |
| devananda | or something | 19:38 |
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| lucasagomes | sounds reasonable for me | 19:38 |
| lucasagomes | at least the user are more secure to press the "deploy button" | 19:39 |
| lucasagomes | if he does validate it first | 19:39 |
| NobodyCam | yea | 19:39 |
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| NobodyCam | is that all for api? | 19:39 |
| devananda | as far as prioritization, i dont think we need that for the nova driver | 19:40 |
| devananda | and users shouldn't be starting a deploy from the CLI :) | 19:40 |
| NobodyCam | :) | 19:40 |
| devananda | but it will probably be useful in troubleshooting, etc, at some point | 19:40 |
| devananda | so #lowpriority, IMO | 19:40 |
| NobodyCam | shouldn't or can not | 19:41 |
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| lucasagomes | oh yea... and won't take much time to implement as well... anyhoo | 19:41 |
| lucasagomes | off the top of my head we don't have anything else for the API (unless we want to talk about vendor_passthru) | 19:41 |
| devananda | NobodyCam: well. users will be able to do anything the API service exposes if they write their own clients (which they eventually will) | 19:41 |
| NobodyCam | devananda: ahh but not thru the ironic-cli | 19:42 |
| devananda | so I say "shouldn't" :) | 19:42 |
| NobodyCam | thru the api | 19:42 |
| NobodyCam | hehheh | 19:43 |
| devananda | the CLI is just what we choose to give as a reference to users, to enable adoption and usage of the API. | 19:43 |
| devananda | it's not going to be the only client | 19:43 |
| NobodyCam | vp or move on 18 minutes | 19:43 |
| devananda | nothing on vp from me | 19:43 |
| lucasagomes | vp?! | 19:43 |
| NobodyCam | vender-passthru | 19:43 |
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| lucasagomes | ahh | 19:44 |
| lucasagomes | lol | 19:44 |
| NobodyCam | #topic Java Driver | 19:44 |
| NobodyCam | so not sure anyone saw my post over theweekend.. comes down to x10 is out InSte0n | 19:44 |
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| NobodyCam | is what is out now. I see how to get insteon working in linux. | 19:44 |
| lucasagomes | yea I'm waiting for HK to talk more about vp | 19:44 |
| NobodyCam | any q/c on coffee driver? | 19:44 |
| lucasagomes | does it make cappuccino?? | 19:45 |
| devananda | :-D | 19:45 |
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| NobodyCam | it could if you had a cappuccino maker | 19:45 |
| lucasagomes | sweet | 19:45 |
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| NobodyCam | ok then | 19:45 |
| NobodyCam | #topic Food for Thought / Open Discussion | 19:45 |
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| NobodyCam | open floor | 19:46 |
| lucasagomes | devananda, how are we exposing nodes/<uuid>/ports on the CLI? | 19:46 |
| NobodyCam | all question welcome | 19:46 |
| lucasagomes | node-port-list <node uuid> ? | 19:46 |
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| devananda | hrm.... nova boot image=cappuchino flavor=twelve_ounce | 19:46 |
| devananda | sorry, distracted by coffee :) | 19:46 |
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| lucasagomes | lol | 19:46 |
| NobodyCam | lol | 19:46 |
| lucasagomes | it's cool | 19:46 |
| yuriyz | How inform deploy ramdisk of ironic's api url? | 19:46 |
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| yuriyz | kernel param? | 19:47 |
| NobodyCam | yuriyz: thats what we do now | 19:47 |
| NobodyCam | humm /me checking | 19:47 |
| linggao | A simple question on the CLI, will the ironic CLI be exposed through nova? | 19:47 |
| linggao | You may have disscussed this before. | 19:48 |
| devananda | lucasagomes: that works. or what about: ironic list-ports [<node>] | 19:48 |
| lucasagomes | linggao, nova will have a driver that will be written using the ironic cli libs (which the cli uses as well) | 19:48 |
| devananda | linggao: ironic has its own API endpoint | 19:48 |
| lucasagomes | linggao, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/51328/ | 19:48 |
| devananda | linggao: i am writing a noav driver that will use python-ironicclient library and talk to ironic API enpoint | 19:49 |
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| linggao | devananda, lucuasagomes, I see. thanks | 19:49 |
| devananda | linggao: and the cloud admin can also use ironic CLI to talk to the ironic API endpoint, eg. to enroll nodes, check status of things, etc | 19:49 |
| lucasagomes | devananda, list-ports [<node>] sounds good | 19:49 |
| lucasagomes | reusing the command | 19:49 |
| linggao | I see. | 19:49 |
| devananda | linggao: but to manage a deploy, user will still call nova | 19:49 |
| devananda | linggao: eg, nova boot --flavor ironic.large --image ubuntu13.04 ... | 19:50 |
| devananda | linggao: and nova scheduler will know that ironic.large flavor type should be routed to a nova-compute node that is configured with the 'ironic' driver | 19:50 |
| lucasagomes | devananda, but hmmmm it's not very explicit, I mean node-port-list at least says ur listing the ports on that node | 19:50 |
| devananda | then nova-compute's ironic driver will do the work of deploy, power, etc | 19:50 |
| linggao | davananda, I see. but can they also boot up a node using ironic CLI directly? | 19:50 |
| lucasagomes | devananda, I would stick to node-port-list sounds more comprehensible | 19:50 |
| lucasagomes | looks* | 19:50 |
| devananda | lucasagomes: node-ports-list is certainly clearer, yes | 19:51 |
| lucasagomes | cool | 19:51 |
| devananda | linggao: well. no. | 19:51 |
| linggao | ok | 19:51 |
| devananda | linggao: technically, anything that nova will do to ironic, a user could also do manually | 19:51 |
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| devananda | linggao: but it would be difficult and is certainly not the "right" thing to do | 19:52 |
| devananda | linggao: when deploying openstack with ironic, Nova should manage the deployment process. | 19:52 |
| linggao | davananda, thanks | 19:52 |
| linggao | anothe question | 19:52 |
| linggao | console | 19:52 |
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| linggao | Should we feedback the console from ipmi to nova? | 19:53 |
| devananda | linggao: yes | 19:53 |
| devananda | linggao: nova alraedy has an API for exposign console. we should interoperate with that as much as possible | 19:53 |
| NobodyCam | yuriyz: https://github.com/openstack/diskimage-builder/blob/master/elements/ramdisk/extra-data.d/scripts/init#L41 | 19:54 |
| devananda | linggao: general rule -- don't reinvent the wheel. so if another service in openstack already does it, we should just use that | 19:54 |
| NobodyCam | lol moved sense I last looked | 19:54 |
| NobodyCam | 5 minute bell | 19:55 |
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| linggao | davananda, like we talked on the ironic channel, I can look into it. I think currently nova gets the console from the vn hypervisors | 19:55 |
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| linggao | davananda, vn/vm | 19:55 |
| linggao | davananda, not sue it can get console for baremetal yet. | 19:56 |
| devananda | linggao: yes. one difference -- nova-compute is running on same host with vm hypervisor. bare metal console is on a network (eg, serial port or SOL interface) | 19:56 |
| devananda | linggao: so we may need to d osomething like run a SOL proxy on the ironic-conductor or nova-compute host | 19:56 |
| devananda | and teach nova to return that | 19:57 |
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| linggao | devananda, yes, we need have that path set up. | 19:57 |
| NobodyCam | should I ask about the xcat way of doing it | 19:57 |
| NobodyCam | sol that is | 19:57 |
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| devananda | linggao: you may also want to see how this was done for the initial nova-baremetal driver. | 19:58 |
| devananda | they had some support for SOL, but I did not get it to work | 19:58 |
| NobodyCam | no I | 19:58 |
| linggao | xCAT has a command called rcons, it gets the console through ipmitool | 19:58 |
| NobodyCam | two minuts | 19:58 |
| linggao | but jbhonso is writing code to get it from native IPMI. | 19:59 |
| NobodyCam | let move anything open back to our home channel | 19:59 |
| NobodyCam | Great meeting guys | 19:59 |
| devananda | yea, time's up! thanks everyone -- let's continue in #ironic | 19:59 |
| NobodyCam | last word: | 19:59 |
| lucasagomes | :) thank you all | 19:59 |
| NobodyCam | #endmeeting | 19:59 |
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| linggao | :) | 19:59 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Oct 14 19:59:56 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:59 |
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| markmcclain | #startmeeting Networking | 21:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Oct 14 21:01:14 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is markmcclain. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking' | 21:01 |
| markmcclain | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Network/Meetings | 21:01 |
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| markmcclain | #topic Announcements | 21:01 |
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| markmcclain | RC2 is now available | 21:01 |
| markmcclain | #link http://tarballs.openstack.org/neutron/neutron-2013.2.rc2.tar.gz | 21:01 |
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| mestery | Awesome! Great work on RC2 everyone! | 21:02 |
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| amotoki | hi | 21:02 |
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| markmcclain | Right now this will be our final release version later this week | 21:02 |
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| markmcclain | Please test. If you find any critical bugs, please let me know. | 21:03 |
| emagana | markmcclain: no more bug fixes will be included? | 21:03 |
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| markmcclain | emagana: not unless the bug fix addresses a release critical bug | 21:03 |
| emagana | markmcclain: good! | 21:03 |
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| markmcclain | #info RC2 is the last planned version prior to release | 21:04 |
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| markmcclain | #info TC elections are now open | 21:05 |
| markmcclain | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2013-October/016432.html | 21:05 |
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| markmcclain | If you have ATC status and did not receive a ballot, please contact one of the election officials. | 21:05 |
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| markmcclain | #topic Bugs | 21:06 |
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| salv-orlando | hi | 21:06 |
| markmcclain | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bugs?search=Search&field.importance=Critical&field.status=New&field.status=Confirmed&field.status=Triaged&field.status=In+Progress | 21:06 |
| markmcclain | salv-orlando: we were in the process of assigning you bugs :p | 21:06 |
| markmcclain | we currently have 2 critical bugs | 21:07 |
| markmcclain | https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1230407 | 21:07 |
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| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1230407 in neutron "VMs can't progress through state changes because Neutron is deadlocking on it's database queries, and thus leaving networks in inconsistent states" [Critical,Confirmed] | 21:07 |
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| markmcclain | is a race that pops up from time to time | 21:07 |
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| markmcclain | we still haven't fully closed | 21:07 |
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| markmcclain | I'm also investigating another bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1236439 | 21:08 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1236439 in neutron "switch to use hostnames like nova breaks upgrades of l3-agent" [High,New] | 21:08 |
| markmcclain | Are there any other critical potential release blockers that we need to know about? | 21:09 |
| amotoki | https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1211915 | 21:09 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1211915 in neutron "Connection to neutron failed: Maximum attempts reached" [Critical,Fix committed] | 21:09 |
| amotoki | is it still open? the review is avaialable. | 21:09 |
| markmcclain | salv-orlando proposed a fix last week that at the time we thought was a parital fix | 21:10 |
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| salv-orlando | bug 1224001 pops up from time to time; I've looked at the logs and root cause this time seems that the instance was failing to boot | 21:11 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1224001 in neutron "test_network_basic_ops fails waiting for network to become available" [Critical,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1224001 | 21:11 |
| salv-orlando | I did not push a fix for bug 1211915 | 21:11 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1211915 in neutron "Connection to neutron failed: Maximum attempts reached" [Critical,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1211915 | 21:11 |
| salv-orlando | that is the bug that "went away by itself" if I recall correctly | 21:11 |
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| * markmcclain looking | 21:12 | |
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| markmcclain | yes | 21:13 |
| markmcclain | http://logstash.openstack.org/#eyJzZWFyY2giOiJcIkNvbm5lY3Rpb24gdG8gbmV1dHJvbiBmYWlsZWQ6IE1heGltdW0gYXR0ZW1wdHMgcmVhY2hlZFwiIiwiZmllbGRzIjpbXSwib2Zmc2V0IjowLCJ0aW1lZnJhbWUiOiJjdXN0b20iLCJncmFwaG1vZGUiOiJjb3VudCIsInRpbWUiOnsiZnJvbSI6IjIwMTMtMTAtMDFUMjA6NTg6MDIrMDA6MDAiLCJ0byI6IjIwMTMtMTAtMTRUMjE6MTM6MDIrMDA6MDAiLCJ1c2VyX2ludGVydmFsIjoiMCJ9LCJzdGFtcCI6MTM4MTc4NTE5Njk5NH0= | 21:13 |
| dims | salv-orlando, the bug that went away by itself was because we patched python neutron client's httpclient2 pool every call | 21:14 |
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| salv-orlando | dims: makes sense | 21:14 |
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| gongysh | dims: can u show us the patch URL? | 21:15 |
| dims | gongysh, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/49210/ | 21:15 |
| dims | gongysh, got ninja-merged | 21:16 |
| salv-orlando | so looks like bug 1211915 is not happening anymore (it has not been seen for about 10 days) | 21:16 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1211915 in neutron "Connection to neutron failed: Maximum attempts reached" [Critical,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1211915 | 21:16 |
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| nati_ueno | cool! | 21:17 |
| markmcclain | Any other bugs we need to talk about? | 21:17 |
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| markmcclain | #topic API Docs | 21:18 |
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| markmcclain | salv-orlando: hi | 21:18 |
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| salv-orlando | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/netconn-api,n,z | 21:18 |
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| salv-orlando | most patches have already a +2 | 21:19 |
| salv-orlando | the others are not far from being good to merge | 21:19 |
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| markmcclain | Ok.. I'll make sure to add these to my review queue | 21:19 |
| salv-orlando | Also, I don't think we heard from the authors of the metering service for API doc; that is a gap at the moment | 21:20 |
| salv-orlando | I will track it | 21:20 |
| markmcclain | k | 21:20 |
| markmcclain | #action markmcclain to check into metering docs | 21:20 |
| markmcclain | Anything else for api docs? | 21:20 |
| salv-orlando | not from me | 21:21 |
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| markmcclain | Thanks for updating | 21:21 |
| markmcclain | #topic Docs | 21:21 |
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| markmcclain | emagana: hi | 21:21 |
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| emagana | Hi there! ML2 installation guide is still WIP | 21:21 |
| emagana | I promise Cisco folks to help with changes on Cisco plug-in documentation and it will be completed before Wednesday | 21:22 |
| markmcclain | Great | 21:22 |
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| emagana | still have the same problem that salv-orlando, the metering part is not completed | 21:22 |
| markmcclain | I'll follow up on both | 21:22 |
| markmcclain | Any other doc items? | 21:23 |
| emagana | The docs team fixed an important issues with the tables references with Neutron, now they look much more better and accurate! :-) | 21:23 |
| markmcclain | awesoem | 21:23 |
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| emagana | nothing else from my side, not sure if Anne or someone else wants to add something | 21:24 |
| amotoki | emagana: which document? i haven't really caught up the document change. | 21:24 |
| markmcclain | annegentle: feel free to chime if you got any new info | 21:24 |
| fifieldt | we're also looking for some help with neutron install guide | 21:24 |
| emagana | amotoki: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/50715/ | 21:24 |
| fifieldt | if anyone was interested | 21:24 |
| fifieldt | as in the neutron bit of the install guide* | 21:25 |
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| markmcclain | emagana: did we have a contact assigned for that? | 21:25 |
| amotoki | emagana: thanks. | 21:25 |
| gongysh | emagana: do the patch for neutron doc belong to the neutron admin guide or new cloud admin guide? | 21:25 |
| emagana | markmcclain: I think it will be me! | 21:26 |
| emagana | I already signed as reviewer | 21:26 |
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| emagana | gongysh: cloud admin guide | 21:26 |
| amotoki | gongysh: the neutron admin guide no longer exists. | 21:26 |
| markmcclain | emagana: thanks | 21:26 |
| emagana | amotoki +1 | 21:26 |
| gongysh | ok. thanks | 21:26 |
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| emagana | fifieldt: check with me offline for the install guide | 21:27 |
| fifieldt | yessir | 21:27 |
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| markmcclain | #topic FWaaS | 21:28 |
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| markmcclain | SumitNaiksatam: there's a meeting this Wednesday? | 21:28 |
| SumitNaiksatam | yeah, i proposed one | 21:28 |
| SumitNaiksatam | IRC #openstack-meeting 18:00 UTC | 21:29 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | pre-summit prep | 21:29 |
| mestery | This is for more than FWaaS right SumitNaiksatam? | 21:29 |
| mestery | Is this the service VM meeting? | 21:29 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mestery: wednesday only for fwaas | 21:29 |
| mestery | SumitNaiksatam: OK, thanks! | 21:30 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mestery: common service requirements including service VM is today | 21:30 |
| SumitNaiksatam | after neutron meeting | 21:30 |
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| mestery | Ah, yes! Thanks for the clarification. :) | 21:30 |
| markmcclain | ok | 21:30 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mean to call that out in the open discussion | 21:30 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mean -> meant | 21:31 |
| gongysh | SumitNaiksatam: can we propose a time friendly for China guys? | 21:31 |
| SumitNaiksatam | nothing more for FWaaS | 21:31 |
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| markmcclain | thanks for updating | 21:31 |
| SumitNaiksatam | gongysh: sorry about that, sure | 21:31 |
| gongysh | SumitNaiksatam: thanks | 21:31 |
| markmcclain | #topic Horizon | 21:31 |
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| markmcclain | The patch to enable DB Quotas landed during the RC period | 21:32 |
| amotoki | no topic for havana release. | 21:32 |
| amotoki | AFAIK horizon RC2 will be avaialble soon. | 21:32 |
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| amotoki | thanks everyone for DB quotas patch. | 21:33 |
| gongysh | amotoki: u did a great jog on horizon for neutron. I tested all of the features. | 21:33 |
| gongysh | jog -> job. :) | 21:33 |
| markmcclain | amotoki: thanks for updating | 21:33 |
| markmcclain | #topic Summit | 21:33 |
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| markmcclain | #link http://summit.openstack.org/ | 21:34 |
| markmcclain | #info: Submission deadline is Oct 17th | 21:34 |
| salv-orlando | is the total number of session slots reserved to Neutron already known? | 21:34 |
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| markmcclain | Yes and we're already oversubscribed | 21:35 |
| enikanorov | as usual? | 21:35 |
| markmcclain | We have the same number as we had in Portland | 21:35 |
| salv-orlando | which is? 24 - I can't remember | 21:36 |
| mestery | markmcclain: rkukura and I would like to congregate all the ML2 sessions into 1-2 "ML2 Super Sessions", which hopefuilly helps you with the numbers. :) | 21:36 |
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| nati_ueno | vpnaas as well | 21:36 |
| marun | i'll brow beat everyone on testing in every session instead of having a testing-focused session | 21:36 |
| markmcclain | we'll have 23 slots | 21:36 |
| * mestery thanks marun for spreading the testing love. | 21:37 | |
| marun | :) | 21:37 |
| markmcclain | marun: we'll also be holding a joint session with the tempest team | 21:37 |
| marun | sweet | 21:37 |
| SumitNaiksatam | same for fwaas ("super session(s)") | 21:38 |
| markmcclain | I'll be going through the submissions this week in advance of the deadline. | 21:38 |
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| markmcclain | if your proposal is vague please update it to include more specifics | 21:38 |
| markmcclain | for the sub-teams that need super sessions | 21:39 |
| markmcclain | would like the main areas to be filed | 21:39 |
| geoffarnold | Can we make the deadline COB on Thursday, to allow the results of the Thursday get-together at BigSwitch to be factored in? | 21:39 |
| mestery | I've been tagging my ML2 sessions with notes to make it easier for your markmcclain. :) | 21:39 |
| markmcclain | I can combine them into the same block | 21:39 |
| enikanorov | markmcclain: what is supersession? two slots in series? | 21:39 |
| markmcclain | geoffarnold: yes… as long as it is Oct 17th somewhere in the world you can file | 21:40 |
| mestery | enikanorov: "super sessions" are for things like ML2, VPN, FW which have many small ticket items which can be combined into a "super session" | 21:40 |
| enikanorov | yeah. does 'super' mean more time? | 21:41 |
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| markmcclain | the super sessions do help a little, but we still need to spec out sub areas those sessions will cover | 21:41 |
| mestery | enikanorov: No | 21:41 |
| mestery | markmcclain: Understood. | 21:41 |
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| samuelbercovici | so will we have at least 1 slot for lbaas? | 21:41 |
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| emagana | Let's just submit the proposal and let PTL to organize the schedule properly! | 21:42 |
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| samuelbercovici | k | 21:42 |
| markmcclain | samuelbercovici: yes.. we've currently only have 2 proposed | 21:43 |
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| markmcclain | The plan is to release the proposed schedule earlier than last time | 21:44 |
| markmcclain | this will provide some time to work out the inevitable cross track conflicts where folks need to be in 2 rooms at once | 21:44 |
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| samuelbercovici | markmcclain: started to review the relevant proposals, i think there are more than 2, i will aslo submit one tomorrow | 21:44 |
| markmcclain | samuelbercovici: I was just doing the quick search by title | 21:45 |
| markmcclain | there might be more | 21:45 |
| markmcclain | Any other summit questions? | 21:45 |
| salv-orlando | markmcclain: the guidelines for prioritising session are on a project basis or are they set community-wide? | 21:45 |
| salv-orlando | ie: how to pick a session and reject another one | 21:45 |
| markmcclain | The priorities are per project | 21:46 |
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| salv-orlando | I think we said we'll give priority to items that are beneficial for the whole community, is that right? | 21:46 |
| markmcclain | correct | 21:47 |
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| markmcclain | #topic Open Discussion | 21:48 |
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| mtreinish | markmcclain: I had a quick one, this afternoon I was looking at the set of tempest tests that work with neutron enabled. It looks like everything (except for 10 tests will work) | 21:49 |
| mtreinish | so I think we might want to gate on these tests too, the issue is that without parallel it takes a long time to run | 21:50 |
| mtreinish | like >1hr | 21:50 |
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| markmcclain | mtreinish: great | 21:50 |
| salv-orlando | mtreinish: can you quickly refresh us on what we need to enable parallelisms? | 21:50 |
| markmcclain | we need to ensure that we've got bugs to fix the remaining 10 | 21:50 |
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| mtreinish | salv-orlando: the first step is tenant isolation (which I think is mostly done) | 21:51 |
| mtreinish | salv-orlando: then it's debugging the races that pop up until its stable | 21:51 |
| salv-orlando | mtreinish: yeah that alone unleashed hell | 21:51 |
| mtreinish | markmcclain: ok, I can open bugs for them | 21:51 |
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| markmcclain | mtreinish: can you make sure to add a common tag so they're easy to find in launchpad? | 21:51 |
| mtreinish | markmcclain: sure | 21:51 |
| mtreinish | the open question I had was it ok to add a long run like that to the gate time, or should we just wait until parallel is ready? | 21:52 |
| salv-orlando | mtreinish: I think we still have the issue of needing a solution for filtering on ip addresses expressed as regexes? | 21:52 |
| markmcclain | we already have one of the longer running unit test suites in the gate | 21:52 |
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| mtreinish | salv-orlando: this is the filter I've got now: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/51275/ | 21:53 |
| salv-orlando | yeah, even if longer it's probably still going to be shorter than the py26 job | 21:53 |
| markmcclain | mtreinish: I'd like to discuss the run time in the joint session | 21:53 |
| mtreinish | salv-orlando: well right now I'm not even sure how long it's going to take, I had to up the timeout because jenkins was killing it at 1 hr | 21:53 |
| markmcclain | with the temptest team | 21:53 |
| mtreinish | markmcclain: ok sure, so hold off until then? | 21:54 |
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| mtreinish | markmcclain: with parallel runtime becomes less of an issue (it takes about half the time) | 21:54 |
| markmcclain | yes.. it's only 2.5 weeks away from discussing it | 21:54 |
| markmcclain | long term parallel is the way to go | 21:54 |
| markmcclain | I just want to make sure we go about it in a way that does not create lots of pain for the community | 21:55 |
| mtreinish | yeah, I agree we don't want a repeat of when I greenlit tenant isolation with neutron | 21:55 |
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| markmcclain | mtreinish: I don't think we were expecting the kernel bug we fond | 21:55 |
| markmcclain | *found | 21:55 |
| mtreinish | heh, yeah that's true | 21:56 |
| markmcclain | Any other open discussion items? | 21:57 |
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| markmcclain | Thanks for stopping in this week. If you're interested in Service VMs, please stick around. | 21:57 |
| markmcclain | #endmeeting | 21:58 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 21:58 | |
| SumitNaiksatam | we have a follow up meeting at the top of the hour now for advance services | 21:58 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Oct 14 21:58:02 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2013/networking.2013-10-14-21.01.html | 21:58 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2013/networking.2013-10-14-21.01.txt | 21:58 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2013/networking.2013-10-14-21.01.log.html | 21:58 |
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| salv-orlando | adieeeeeeeuuuuuu | 21:59 |
| samuelbercovici | gnight | 21:59 |
| salv-orlando | not that I'm not interested in service VMs | 21:59 |
| SumitNaiksatam | :-) | 21:59 |
| salv-orlando | I love service VMs but I love my pillow more | 21:59 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i know you are interested in service insertion/chaining | 21:59 |
| SumitNaiksatam | did that wake you up? | 21:59 |
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| salv-orlando | SumitNaiksatam: nothing is more important than my pillow, especially as I've not seen it in 19 hours | 22:00 |
| SumitNaiksatam | sure, thanks for all the great work on the bugs | 22:00 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #startmeeting Networking Advance Services | 22:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Oct 14 22:00:57 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SumitNaiksatam. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 22:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 22:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Networking Advance Services)" | 22:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking_advance_services' | 22:01 |
| SumitNaiksatam | first up, apologies to those for whom this time is inconvenient | 22:01 |
| SumitNaiksatam | we will try to do it at a different time for follow up | 22:01 |
| SumitNaiksatam | just thought it was easier to herd everyone together while we are here anyway | 22:01 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic service insertion and chaining | 22:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "service insertion and chaining (Meeting topic: Networking Advance Services)" | 22:01 | |
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| SumitNaiksatam | this is a follow up from the last VPNaaS meeting | 22:02 |
| SumitNaiksatam | since this topic cuts across *aaS we thought it better to have this common discussion | 22:02 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/neutron-services-insertion-chaining-steering | 22:02 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | there has been some discussion on the above blueprint | 22:02 |
| SumitNaiksatam | the most updated version was posted only recently so not everyone might have had a chance to take a look | 22:03 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | for those who did, any thoughts? | 22:03 |
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| gregr_3456 | good progress | 22:04 |
| SumitNaiksatam | there were some comments from enikanorov which have been addressed | 22:04 |
| SumitNaiksatam | gregr_3456: thanks | 22:04 |
| SumitNaiksatam | nati_ueno: thoughts? | 22:04 |
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| nati_ueno | SumitNaiksatam: +1 | 22:05 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | the idea is be able to be able to support both single service insertion and also chains | 22:05 |
| nati_ueno | SumitNaiksatam: I'll comment in the doc also | 22:05 |
| SumitNaiksatam | nati_ueno: thanks | 22:05 |
| SumitNaiksatam | crickets? :-) | 22:06 |
| Snigs | hi guys Beginner here :) Where is the blueprinbt for the data path | 22:06 |
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| enikanorov | SumitNaiksatam: going over your comments. am I understanding correctly, that there could be service that is not inserted? | 22:06 |
| SridarK | It was a very productive face 2 face discussion on Thu - it is really important that we are able to get to a common model that we can implement in Icehouse. This is imperative for us to make any meaningful progress with services. | 22:06 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: thanks | 22:06 |
| SumitNaiksatam | Snigs: data plane model is not prescriptive | 22:06 |
| SumitNaiksatam | Snigs: it is driven by the plugin/driver | 22:07 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | Snigs: this model is to capture the intent of the user | 22:07 |
| SumitNaiksatam | enikanorov: thinking about your question | 22:07 |
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| Snigs | ok - so the plugin defines the data path and the encapsulation | 22:07 |
| SumitNaiksatam | Snigs: yes | 22:07 |
| SumitNaiksatam | enikanorov: i think every service is inserted | 22:08 |
| Snigs | and this blueprint is focussed on specifying the parmeters for the chain ? | 22:08 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | enikanorov: it may or may not be explicit | 22:08 |
| SridarK | for the data path we can consider something along the lines of NSH but we are a bit far from that at this point | 22:08 |
| SumitNaiksatam | Snigs: at a high level you can look at it that way | 22:08 |
| enikanorov | SumitNaiksatam: i remember that is controlled by service instertion context | 22:08 |
| geoffarnold | Well, explicit or not represents a pretty fundamental difference for the end user | 22:08 |
| enikanorov | which is a separate object | 22:08 |
| SumitNaiksatam | geoffarnold: agree | 22:09 |
| enikanorov | just thinking what level of control the user will have | 22:09 |
| iwamoto | will this BP change current LBaaS or FWaaS implementation much? I wonder how chaining will be implemented | 22:09 |
| SumitNaiksatam | geoffarnold: i meant to say there could be defaults | 22:09 |
| geoffarnold | Let me post a multiline question.... | 22:09 |
| geoffarnold | Who’s doing the insertion and chaining? It seems to me that there are two distinct (but overlapping) use cases in this area. One is where service instances are visible to applications: where we are adding API(s) to allow an application to explicitly manage the service instance. The other is where the service instance is invisible to the application: the application uses the Neutron APIs to interact with the logical | 22:09 |
| SumitNaiksatam | enikanorov: yes, service insertion context object | 22:09 |
| geoffarnold | .... elects to use service instances (rather than, say, physical resources) to realize these logical resources. Many similarities, but also great differences. | 22:10 |
| SumitNaiksatam | iwamoto: implementation may change, the degree to which it may change may be varied, the attempt is to be minimally disruptive | 22:10 |
| SumitNaiksatam | geoffarnold: still reading :-) | 22:10 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | geoffarnold: if i could grasp that, we are addressing the former case | 22:11 |
| SumitNaiksatam | geoffarnold: all neutron abstractions are currently targeting the former case | 22:11 |
| geoffarnold | That's what I thought. | 22:11 |
| SumitNaiksatam | geoffarnold: ok | 22:11 |
| geoffarnold | But we need the second case too | 22:11 |
| SumitNaiksatam | geoffarnold: sure | 22:11 |
| SumitNaiksatam | these seem to be complementary | 22:12 |
| SumitNaiksatam | geoffarnold: right? | 22:12 |
| geoffarnold | It would be a shame to do two parallel service instance implementations and then have to refactor to belatedly catch up with the overlap | 22:12 |
| SumitNaiksatam | geoffarnold: hmmm…should not be the case | 22:12 |
| Kanzhe | geoffarnold: Both of your use cases are covered by the proposal. | 22:13 |
| geoffarnold | We've built an example of the second model in DNRM which we'll demo in Hong Kong | 22:13 |
| samuelbercovici | as i did not read the doc, yet, is the proposal is for the logical model only? what is the expectation in regards to the data plane? | 22:13 |
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| Kanzhe | Invisible case is the same as "Bump In The Wire" mode, where appplication is not aware of the service. | 22:13 |
| geoffarnold | But Mark McClain and others are urging us to look at both | 22:13 |
| SumitNaiksatam | geoffarnold: on re reading your question, i agree with Kanzhe, we are addressing the logical resource case | 22:14 |
| geoffarnold | Second [DNRM] case involves no new APIs. If you have a new API, it's a new use case IMHO | 22:14 |
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| samuelbercovici | geoffarnold: in general neutron ia handling logical models | 22:14 |
| SumitNaiksatam | samuelbercovici: data plane implementation details are in the plugin/driver | 22:14 |
| Kanzhe | Inserting LB will be the second use case, where application is aware of the service insertion. | 22:15 |
| SumitNaiksatam | samuelbercovici: anything specific that you would like to be incorporated here | 22:15 |
| SumitNaiksatam | geoffarnold: to give you an example - lets take FWaaS and firewall | 22:15 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | user creates a firewall resource | 22:15 |
| SumitNaiksatam | this is a logical resource | 22:15 |
| geoffarnold | Agreed. But does the end user know anything about the logical resource beyond what is in the current FW/LB/L3 APIs? | 22:15 |
| SumitNaiksatam | geoffarnold: no | 22:15 |
| geoffarnold | So the resource could be HW or SW | 22:16 |
| SumitNaiksatam | yes | 22:16 |
| samuelbercovici | SumitNaiksatam: so idealy, the insertion "logical" model is specified by an admin, then the different drivers should get enough "TBD" information so they can adhere to this? | 22:16 |
| SumitNaiksatam | per the blueprint the service instance is a logical resource as the user sees it | 22:16 |
| SumitNaiksatam | samuelbercovici: yes | 22:17 |
| SumitNaiksatam | samuelbercovici: ideally it would be great to be able to flesh that interface out | 22:17 |
| SumitNaiksatam | at least from an insertion perspective | 22:17 |
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| samuelbercovici | SumitNaiksatam: so lets take some use cases.. | 22:18 |
| SumitNaiksatam | samuelbercovici: yes | 22:18 |
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| Snigs | is it possible to decompose the insertion problem into a classification, redirect and return (next hop) | 22:18 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | btw, folks, we also have a couple of other items on the agenda for today | 22:18 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so we need to give time for those as well | 22:18 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | but go ahead | 22:18 |
| samuelbercovici | if i create a new VIP, currently i select the driver implementation, how would i specify the insertion model and the service model? | 22:18 |
| SumitNaiksatam | Snigs: that i consider it to be a implementation detail, however your point on the classification is very valid | 22:19 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | Snigs: currently there is no defined classification mechanism in neutron | 22:19 |
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| Snigs | ok - let me listen a little more :) | 22:19 |
| SumitNaiksatam | Snigs: i consider it to be complementary but not within the scope of this bp | 22:20 |
| samuelbercovici | two portions at least are relevant here; a: how to expect the VIP handling (exmples: proxy, default gate way..) | 22:20 |
| enikanorov | samuelbercovici: I think it still up to the plugin driver to decide the insetion mode. But user can give a hint in case plugin drivers supports several types of insertion | 22:20 |
| enikanorov | but that's IMO | 22:20 |
| samuelbercovici | then also if default gateway, than the expectation is to be inserted insted of the gw | 22:20 |
| SumitNaiksatam | enikanorov: yes | 22:20 |
| SumitNaiksatam | samuelbercovici: does that make sense? | 22:20 |
| samuelbercovici | and b: the chaining order | 22:20 |
| SumitNaiksatam | samuelbercovici: you mean replace L3 gateway with LB? | 22:21 |
| SumitNaiksatam | LB -> VIP | 22:21 |
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| Kanzhe | samuelbercovici: Do you mean the LB provides both L3 gateway function and LB function? | 22:22 |
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| samuelbercovici | SumitNaiksatam: yes. if the vip "specifies" that it is going to function in a model that needs the lb service to perform as default GW for the memebers, that it should replace the L3 gw | 22:23 |
| samuelbercovici | at least fro those members | 22:23 |
| SumitNaiksatam | samuelbercovici: agree | 22:23 |
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| samuelbercovici | achiving this by the driver alone is currently no possible | 22:23 |
| rudrarugge | i agree with samuel on this | 22:23 |
| ivar-lazzaro | +1 | 22:23 |
| SumitNaiksatam | samuelbercovici: yes, so in the proposed model we have service_insertion_context | 22:23 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | for exactly that reason | 22:24 |
| SumitNaiksatam | driver and insertion context are two different things | 22:25 |
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| samuelbercovici | so what would a service_insertion_context define? | 22:25 |
| SumitNaiksatam | one could write a driver that can infer the insertion context (as it does today) but that is not fexible | 22:25 |
| rudrarugge | and how does context play out in a service vm | 22:25 |
| SumitNaiksatam | samuelbercovici: its in the spec :-) | 22:25 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i will copy paste here - | 22:25 |
| SumitNaiksatam | it mainly has a insertion_type/mode | 22:25 |
| SumitNaiksatam | which will indicate L3 or L2 or BITW or Tap | 22:26 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | and then additional attributes pertaining to whichever type/mode is chosen | 22:26 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so for e.g., if L3 is chosen, then a router_id would be a part of the insertion_context | 22:26 |
| rudrarugge | got it sumit but how do we associate the interfaces from service vm to the service instances? | 22:26 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rudrarugge: nice segue to the next topic | 22:27 |
| enikanorov | rudrarugge: that is a too forwardlooking question IMO :) | 22:27 |
| rudrarugge | sure will wait | 22:27 |
| bobmel | The spec uses plural; e.g. routers. What does that mean? | 22:28 |
| SumitNaiksatam | geoffarnold, samuelbercovici, Snigs: do you want to follow up later on this particular topic | 22:28 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ? | 22:28 |
| samuelbercovici | SumitNaiksatam: so if the lbbas is a two leg solution that can bypass the l3 gw, how can it get inserted? | 22:28 |
| SumitNaiksatam | can we transition to the next topic | 22:28 |
| geoffarnold | Yes | 22:28 |
| SumitNaiksatam | geoffarnold: thanks | 22:28 |
| samuelbercovici | ok. will read the document and comment ask questions on it | 22:28 |
| SumitNaiksatam | samuelbercovici: good question, hold that thought we can take that offline | 22:29 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i think we can handle that insertion | 22:29 |
| Snigs | Yes | 22:29 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i had the second topic listed as "common agent model" for the services, but i will skip that | 22:29 |
| SumitNaiksatam | since the question was asked about service VMs lets get to that | 22:30 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic service VM library | 22:30 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/adv-services-in-vms | 22:30 |
| SumitNaiksatam | note that there are other blueprints as well in the same zip code | 22:31 |
| SumitNaiksatam | most notably geoffarnold's blueprint | 22:31 |
| SumitNaiksatam | this particular topic for today's discussion is specifically on the service VM management framework/library | 22:31 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | rudrarugge: i believe your question is in this context | 22:31 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | lets address that | 22:31 |
| rudrarugge | yes | 22:31 |
| rudrarugge | thanks | 22:31 |
| SumitNaiksatam | gregr_3456: there? | 22:32 |
| gregr_3456 | hi | 22:32 |
| gregr_3456 | first can talk about service VM interfaces | 22:32 |
| SumitNaiksatam | you want to take rudrarugge's question | 22:32 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ok | 22:32 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so we have potentially two types of service interfaces | 22:32 |
| gregr_3456 | the though is that there are two types on interfaces | 22:32 |
| SumitNaiksatam | management and data plane for any service VM | 22:32 |
| gregr_3456 | first type is 'management interfaces' | 22:33 |
| SumitNaiksatam | gregr_3456: yes go ahead | 22:33 |
| gregr_3456 | second is data plane interfaces | 22:33 |
| gregr_3456 | (sorry, typed over you) | 22:33 |
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| geoffarnold | yup | 22:33 |
| SumitNaiksatam | gregr_3456: np, please keep going | 22:33 |
| gregr_3456 | the idea is to allow the consumer of the service VM framework to allocate one or more of each type | 22:34 |
| gregr_3456 | based on the requirements of that particular implementation | 22:34 |
| gregr_3456 | so far ok? | 22:34 |
| rudrarugge | yes | 22:34 |
| geoffarnold | consumer as in provider of the virtual appliance, or consumer of the VM services | 22:34 |
| gregr_3456 | consumer is consumer of this interface, the service implementation or plugin | 22:35 |
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| Kanzhe | gregr_3456: What is the reason for the serviceVM library to differentiate management vs. data-place interfaces? | 22:35 |
| Kanzhe | IMHO, the two are the same for the library as long as the network reference is provided. | 22:36 |
| ChristianM_ | Could it be in-band or out-of-band management based on the service implementation ? | 22:36 |
| rudrarugge | how do we handle accessing the UI of the service through lets say a management plane for service instance | 22:36 |
| gregr_3456 | it may be that mgmt interface may need to be isolated from data plane for availability purposes | 22:36 |
| Guest25338 | the plugin should be able to access the mgmt interfaces | 22:37 |
| rudrarugge | mgmt plane of service instance is different than mgmt plane of service vm? | 22:37 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | ChristianM_: yes both are possible | 22:37 |
| yamahata | can management interface be non-nic interface? for example serial. | 22:37 |
| SumitNaiksatam | yamahata: good point | 22:37 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | gregr_3456: i think we should capture yamahata's point | 22:38 |
| Kanzhe | access to mgmt interface is done through its IP address, interface is not relevant here. | 22:38 |
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| geoffarnold | Which of its IP addresses? It may have multiple | 22:38 |
| samuelbercovici | i am a bit lost here. what is added here on top of plain vanila spinning up VMs? | 22:38 |
| gregr_3456 | to Yamahatas point, the management interface may not necessarily be a network interface | 22:38 |
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| geoffarnold | The management interface has to be accessible to a plugin/driver | 22:39 |
| SumitNaiksatam | on sec guys, i think we have people typing over | 22:39 |
| Kanzhe | If the mgmt interface is not on a network, neutron shouldn't care. | 22:39 |
| yamahata | gregr_3456, right. | 22:39 |
| geoffarnold | Disagree | 22:39 |
| SumitNaiksatam | one sec | 22:40 |
| SumitNaiksatam | let me respond to samuelbercovici first | 22:40 |
| amotoki | Kanzhe: but from the VM management view the mgmt interface needs to be modeled. | 22:40 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | that's a bigger question | 22:40 |
| geoffarnold | Either Neutron is responsible for the mgmt network, or it affects availability (HA) of the {plugin+VM} subsystem | 22:40 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | samuelbercovici: this framework/library tries to achieve spinning up the VM, thats correct, but in a way that it can be reused across services and components | 22:41 |
| gregr_3456 | right. | 22:41 |
| geoffarnold | hich will work for some components and not others | 22:41 |
| SumitNaiksatam | yamahata, amotoki: agree the serial interface may not be for a neutron network | 22:41 |
| geoffarnold | heck, we can't even prescribe the guest OS | 22:42 |
| SumitNaiksatam | but the probably the framework still needs to manage it | 22:42 |
| SumitNaiksatam | geoffarnold, gregr_3456: over to you :-) | 22:42 |
| SumitNaiksatam | lets have one conversation | 22:42 |
| geoffarnold | So I've taken a pessimistic approach | 22:43 |
| Kanzhe | SumitNaiksatam: ok, I agree. serviceVM library should still capture the serial interface config. | 22:43 |
| SumitNaiksatam | Kanzhe: thanks | 22:43 |
| SumitNaiksatam | geoffarnold, gregr_3456 : carry on | 22:43 |
| geoffarnold | needs to work with as many kinds of virtual/physical appliances, new and existing, as possible | 22:43 |
| gregr_3456 | should be able to specify a management interface from library pov, whether network or serial or whatever... | 22:43 |
| samuelbercovici | ic. i am asking as we implement lbaas for radware using "service vms" that are not visible for the tenant. we consumed standard openstack capabilities for this. i would not assume that the way we did it is generic but works for our solution. | 22:43 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | samuelbercovici: i am sure it does | 22:44 |
| geoffarnold | Samuel: we should sit down and compare what we did for Vyatta in DNRM with the Radware LBaaS | 22:44 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | samuelbercovici, geoffarnold : yes, we can see what the commonalities are and bring them in | 22:45 |
| Guest47907 | In our case we have to create a router to access the VM | 22:45 |
| geoffarnold | And ideally add a third virtual appliance to break ties ;-) | 22:45 |
| rudrarugge | we also have a service vm implemented as firewall | 22:45 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rudrarugge: welcome to the party :-) | 22:45 |
| samuelbercovici | there were many small nits that we needed to have. many of those were around supporting our ha model | 22:45 |
| rudrarugge | :) | 22:45 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | samuelbercovici: aha, thats the point | 22:45 |
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| geoffarnold | I looked at the device inventory BP for LB, and it generalizes nicely to what we did in DNRM | 22:45 |
| SumitNaiksatam | geoffarnold: great | 22:45 |
| gregr_3456 | would be helpful to gather these 'nits' and try and capture as many as possible for a common framework | 22:46 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | gregr_3456: +1 that is why we are proposing a "common" framework | 22:46 |
| geoffarnold | My feeling about frameworks is that we need a minimal mandatory piece (so we can all get along) together with "best practices" | 22:46 |
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| Kanzhe | Most like geoffarnold's DNRM is the first consumer of the serviceVM framework. | 22:46 |
| geoffarnold | Well, Radware too. | 22:47 |
| amotoki | geoffarnold: what is DNRM? may be a silly question. | 22:47 |
| rudrarugge | some nits for us: using dhcp assigned addresses for L3 mode to be used by service instances | 22:47 |
| SumitNaiksatam | geoffarnold: agree, so thats a good thing, right? | 22:47 |
| geoffarnold | Yes | 22:47 |
| gregr_3456 | yes +1 | 22:47 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so here is a general statement - there will be common requirements and there will be specifics | 22:47 |
| geoffarnold | What's DNRM? This: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/dynamic-network-resource-mgmt | 22:47 |
| samuelbercovici | so mybe, it would be best served, to list all current impelemntation for service vms and get some nits to establish "best practices" before we try to drive a comonality | 22:47 |
| geoffarnold | I'm working to carve it up into multiple blueprints, but this captures the end-to-end use cases | 22:48 |
| amotoki | geoffarnold: thanks | 22:48 |
| SumitNaiksatam | we need to at least capture the common requirements | 22:48 |
| gregr_3456 | do we have time for use cases? | 22:48 |
| SumitNaiksatam | samuelbercovici: being common is not being prescriptive | 22:48 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | gregr_3456: yes please, in case you want to bring up any | 22:49 |
| Kanzhe | Most like the common framework will satisfy a targeted use case at the beginning, then expend to support more. | 22:49 |
| geoffarnold | I've restricted myself to service VMs that are completely invisible to the user; they're all owned by the "DNRM" project ;-) | 22:49 |
| gregr_3456 | ok, on to use cases | 22:49 |
| samuelbercovici | geoffarnold: sure. worst case, we can do it in HK :-) | 22:49 |
| geoffarnold | What's on the agenda for the Thursday meeting at BigSwitch? | 22:50 |
| gregr_3456 | likely most common case is private service owned by a tenant | 22:50 |
| gregr_3456 | but other use cases include shared service VMs that are owned by admin/operator | 22:50 |
| gregr_3456 | and for scale-out, a logical service may be hosted across multiple service VMs | 22:51 |
| gregr_3456 | any disagreement with this? | 22:51 |
| SumitNaiksatam | gregr_3456: agree, i think those capture most of the cases | 22:51 |
| rudrarugge | I am guessing shared service VMs is not a common use case | 22:51 |
| samuelbercovici | we r similar to geoffarnold in that we have service VMs invisible to tenants | 22:51 |
| geoffarnold | What's the mapping between "service" and "logical resource instance" | 22:51 |
| geoffarnold | (The latter in the Neutron API sense) | 22:51 |
| gregr_3456 | terminology has been a problem | 22:51 |
| SumitNaiksatam | geoffarnold: we will try to make progress on the same discussion (but we will have a chance to pull each other's hair out in person :-)) | 22:52 |
| bobmel | In an implementation at Cisco the service VMs are also invisible to tenants | 22:52 |
| geoffarnold | Excellent | 22:52 |
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| gregr_3456 | i have been using logical service to describe the one specified by Neutron API | 22:52 |
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| rudrarugge | Private service owned by a tenant but provided by the operator? | 22:52 |
| Snigs | Sumit: Do we have any hair left ? | 22:52 |
| geoffarnold | I have plenty (beard too) | 22:52 |
| SumitNaiksatam | Snigs: :-) | 22:53 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | samuelbercovici: the service VM is almost always invisible to the tenant | 22:53 |
| geoffarnold | I'm concerned about the interaction with placement and HA issues | 22:53 |
| gregr_3456 | i am an IRC newbie, need to learn to respond to individual. :) | 22:53 |
| Snigs | +1 geoff | 22:53 |
| geoffarnold | And logical to physical mappings for things like multi tenant big iron LBs and routers | 22:53 |
| samuelbercovici | the ha is probably the biggie here | 22:54 |
| SumitNaiksatam | samuelbercovici, bobmel: there is no suggestion in this proposal to make it explicitly visible to the tenant | 22:54 |
| samuelbercovici | SumitNaiksatam: k | 22:54 |
| geoffarnold | Well, the BP isn't exactly clean on that | 22:54 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rudrarugge: service owned by provider | 22:54 |
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| geoffarnold | Implies Heat might know more about mappings | 22:54 |
| SumitNaiksatam | geoffarnold: ok | 22:55 |
| Kanzhe | SumitNaiksatam: +1. The framework is for other module to consume, not meant for tenant. | 22:55 |
| SumitNaiksatam | geoffarnold: heat will never interact with the library/framework proposed here | 22:55 |
| geoffarnold | In DNRM we lump tall that complexity into a couple of policy engine black boxes, contents TBD | 22:55 |
| gregr_3456 | yes, service owned by provider and pinned to tenant is another variant | 22:55 |
| gregr_3456 | planning to update spec after this meeting | 22:56 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | geoffarnold: great - policy is separate from mechnism | 22:56 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | geoffarnold: this blueprint is only for mechanism | 22:56 |
| SumitNaiksatam | gregr_3456: thanks | 22:56 |
| geoffarnold | When we're considering use cases, let's include software delivery use case - new virtual appliance installation in a running cloud | 22:56 |
| gregr_3456 | thanks for feedback | 22:56 |
| SumitNaiksatam | nice discussion everyone - enough to keep gregr_3456 busy i think :-) | 22:56 |
| geoffarnold | Thanks all | 22:56 |
| SumitNaiksatam | geoffarnold: good topic for F2F meeting | 22:56 |
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| Snigs | thanks | 22:57 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ok one more topic | 22:57 |
| samuelbercovici | thany u all. | 22:57 |
| SumitNaiksatam | not done :-) | 22:57 |
| geoffarnold | ? | 22:57 |
| samuelbercovici | good night | 22:57 |
| garyduan | VM creation is triger by some neutron cli, right? | 22:57 |
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| geoffarnold | NO NO NO!!!! | 22:57 |
| gregr_3456 | still here... | 22:57 |
| Kanzhe | garyduan: No | 22:57 |
| SumitNaiksatam | :-) | 22:57 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | nati_ueno: there? | 22:57 |
| garyduan | Sorry, I'm late to jump in | 22:57 |
| geoffarnold | Really ned to decouple that - see my BP | 22:57 |
| SumitNaiksatam | we wanted to discuss common agent model | 22:57 |
| nati_ueno | SumitNaiksatam: yep | 22:58 |
| garyduan | well, I mean in the use case | 22:58 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic common L3 agent framework | 22:58 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to "common L3 agent framework (Meeting topic: Networking Advance Services)" | 22:58 | |
| geoffarnold | plugin, driver, now agent. Hmmmm | 22:58 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: there? | 22:58 |
| SridarK | yes here | 22:58 |
| SumitNaiksatam | good | 22:58 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i don't think we have enough time | 22:58 |
| garyduan | certainly implentation wise, it's some internal APIs | 22:58 |
| SumitNaiksatam | but just want to put it out there | 22:58 |
| garyduan | that's my understanding | 22:58 |
| SumitNaiksatam | we currently have a situation where we have three different flavors of the L3 agent in the reference implementation | 22:59 |
| SumitNaiksatam | L3, FWaaS, VPNaaS | 22:59 |
| geoffarnold | However since my first DNRM implementation spins up discrete L3 routers.... | 22:59 |
| geoffarnold | Didn't Cisco have a refactoring proposal for that? | 22:59 |
| SumitNaiksatam | as suggested by nati_ueno (and also SridarK) earlier, we need to have a better approach towards these | 22:59 |
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| geoffarnold | Is mastery there? | 22:59 |
| SumitNaiksatam | nati_ueno, SridarK: thoughts? | 22:59 |
| geoffarnold | mestery | 23:00 |
| nati_ueno | yes. we should have generic service-agent | 23:00 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | geoffarnold: bobmel was driving that i believe | 23:00 |
| SumitNaiksatam | the refactoring is complete | 23:00 |
| geoffarnold | That's right - I forgot | 23:00 |
| SridarK | yes and plugin service or vendor specific agents | 23:00 |
| SumitNaiksatam | but that is for the plugin | 23:00 |
| SumitNaiksatam | nati_ueno, SridarK: go ahead | 23:00 |
| geoffarnold | We need a whiteboard | 23:00 |
| nati_ueno | https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1e85n2IE38XoYwlsqNvqhKFLox6O01SbguZXq7SnSSGo/edit#slide=id.p | 23:01 |
| nati_ueno | This was the slide I send to the mailing list | 23:01 |
| SumitNaiksatam | nati_ueno: thanks | 23:01 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | geoffarnold: we can potentially have this discussion as well in F2F | 23:01 |
| nati_ueno | In that mailling thread, option2-2 was the conclution | 23:01 |
| SumitNaiksatam | but this is the best we have in terms of opening it to the community | 23:01 |
| SumitNaiksatam | nati_ueno: thanks | 23:01 |
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| nati_ueno | so we have a service-agent, and it will provide some hooks (event driven model) | 23:02 |
| geoffarnold | OK, I have to drop off. Thanks guys. See (some of) you Thursday | 23:02 |
| nati_ueno | then each service agent driver will hook that | 23:02 |
| SumitNaiksatam | nati_ueno: +1 | 23:02 |
| SumitNaiksatam | geoffarnold: thanks | 23:02 |
| nati_ueno | Any thought? | 23:02 |
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| nati_ueno | so in Icehouse, I wanna leave current l3-agent as-is for backward compatibility | 23:03 |
| SumitNaiksatam | nati_ueno: i guess we don't need to have conclusion now, we are past the meeting time | 23:03 |
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| nati_ueno | sure | 23:03 |
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| SridarK | nati_ueno in agreement - lets talk more | 23:03 |
| SumitNaiksatam | but i think it will be good for everyone to know this so that we can keep discussing | 23:03 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i am +1 | 23:03 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: agree | 23:03 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Open discussion | 23:03 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | we can have a follow up meeting | 23:04 |
| SumitNaiksatam | may be at a convenient time for other folks | 23:04 |
| SumitNaiksatam | which topics did we leave out? | 23:04 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | or what would you like to be discussed in the context of "advance services" and common requirements? | 23:05 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | we use the mailing list as well | 23:05 |
| SumitNaiksatam | any parting thoughts? | 23:05 |
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| Kanzhe | nice discussion. | 23:06 |
| nati_ueno | SumitNaiksatam: How about to have a etherpad page? | 23:06 |
| ivar-lazzaro | Since we are discussing about different type of insertions, implementations, I think that would be good to discuss about "retrieving" physical network mapping | 23:06 |
| nati_ueno | SumitNaiksatam: it will help the summit discussion also | 23:06 |
| ivar-lazzaro | which is not doable easy as is | 23:06 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | nati_ueno: sure, i will add one, and link this meeting | 23:06 |
| nati_ueno | SumitNaiksatam: Thanks! | 23:06 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: good point | 23:06 |
| nati_ueno | Also we should have weelky meeting | 23:06 |
| SumitNaiksatam | lets do that for a follow up | 23:06 |
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| nati_ueno | because this one need many time to discuss | 23:07 |
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| nati_ueno | sometimes it looks like a forever discussion :P | 23:07 |
| SumitNaiksatam | +1, we can set this up as a weekly meeting, may be at a different time | 23:07 |
| nati_ueno | awesome | 23:07 |
| ChristianM__ | +1 weekly until summit | 23:07 |
| SumitNaiksatam | nati_ueno: agree | 23:07 |
| Kanzhe | +1 | 23:07 |
| garyduan | +1 | 23:07 |
| SridarK | Agree | 23:07 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ok i can set one up, will check for a convenient time | 23:07 |
| ivar-lazzaro | Good | 23:07 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i know enikanorov is half asleep :-) | 23:07 |
| SumitNaiksatam | or may be more than half | 23:08 |
| SumitNaiksatam | alrighty, thanks everyone for your time | 23:08 |
| Swami | good | 23:08 |
| SumitNaiksatam | looking forward to the next one | 23:08 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | #endmeeting | 23:08 |
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| nati_ueno | bye! | 23:08 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Oct 14 23:08:36 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 23:08 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_advance_services/2013/networking_advance_services.2013-10-14-22.00.html | 23:08 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_advance_services/2013/networking_advance_services.2013-10-14-22.00.txt | 23:08 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_advance_services/2013/networking_advance_services.2013-10-14-22.00.log.html | 23:08 |
| ivar-lazzaro | bye | 23:08 |
| SridarK | bye | 23:08 |
| Swami | bye | 23:08 |
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