| dylan | hi :) | 00:00 |
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| ujuc | Hello, Daisy :) | 00:00 |
| Daisy | Hi, dylan | 00:00 |
| Daisy | ok. It's time to start our meeting. | 00:00 |
| Daisy | #startmeeting OpenStack I18n Meeting | 00:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Oct 17 00:00:38 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is Daisy. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 00:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 00:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_i18n_meeting' | 00:00 |
| Daisy | Welcome to join ! | 00:00 |
| Daisy | We haven't been met for a month. | 00:01 |
| Daisy | But we keep contaction through email. | 00:01 |
| Daisy | #topic Summary of Horizon translation | 00:01 |
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| Daisy | We did a wonderful job in Horizon translation. | 00:01 |
| Daisy | We have 12 languages 100% translated. | 00:01 |
| Daisy | That's a very good result. | 00:01 |
| Daisy | Many thanks to these translation teams. | 00:02 |
| gabrielcw | great! | 00:02 |
| Daisy | The translations have been merged and will be shipped with Havana release. | 00:02 |
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| Daisy | I have a question. | 00:02 |
| Daisy | How do you hope our translators being recoginzed? | 00:03 |
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| Daisy | I mean, how to recognize these translators? | 00:03 |
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| gabrielcw | Will the name appear somewhere in the release? | 00:03 |
| Daisy | The name will be shipped with the po file, that's true. | 00:04 |
| Daisy | But I don't know how many people will look into po files. | 00:04 |
| gabrielcw | right | 00:04 |
| Daisy | So maybe I can ask how developers being recoginzed, and our translators can be recongized in the same way. | 00:05 |
| Daisy | First of all, we need to have a list of translators. | 00:05 |
| Daisy | A name list of translators. | 00:05 |
| Daisy | I don't know how easily we can get the name list from Transifex. | 00:05 |
| gabrielcw | we have no stats, so it`s kind of hard to know who really works | 00:06 |
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| Daisy | correct, gabrielcw | 00:06 |
| dylan | We could make some statistics just like the code contributors do, but need Transifex support | 00:06 |
| gabrielcw | Well but if one is involved, and we ask the coordinators, we can get the names then | 00:06 |
| gabrielcw | the coordinators should know I guess | 00:06 |
| Daisy | I think so too. | 00:07 |
| Daisy | so action | 00:07 |
| Daisy | #action Daisy to get the translators name list and get a way to recongize them | 00:07 |
| Daisy | ok. we move to next topic | 00:07 |
| Daisy | #topic TODO items for the next | 00:08 |
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| Daisy | Before starting, here is a question. | 00:08 |
| Daisy | How can we track the items we plan to do? | 00:08 |
| Daisy | Blueprint in Transifex? | 00:08 |
| gabrielcw | is there such thing? | 00:08 |
| gabrielcw | in transifex? | 00:08 |
| Daisy | No, | 00:08 |
| Daisy | sorry, in Launchpad. | 00:09 |
| gabrielcw | oh, right ;) | 00:09 |
| Daisy | https://launchpad.net/openstack-i18n | 00:09 |
| Daisy | we have this project in launchpad. | 00:09 |
| Daisy | so I think we can use the blue print in this project to track the things we want to do. | 00:09 |
| dylan | That's nice | 00:09 |
| ujuc | +1 | 00:10 |
| ujuc | :) | 00:10 |
| gabrielcw | agree | 00:10 |
| Daisy | Thanks, ujuc and dylan | 00:10 |
| Daisy | #info Action item 1: build up the translation infrastructure | 00:10 |
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| Daisy | I hope to have a good translation infrastructure to support our translators' work. | 00:11 |
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| Daisy | Including a well design UI, good integration with the development team and the infrastructure team, a well designed progress. | 00:11 |
| Daisy | process, I mean, a good release process. | 00:12 |
| gabrielcw | maybe we could track with the lanchpad bugs/tasks | 00:12 |
| gabrielcw | *launchpad | 00:12 |
| Daisy | That's an idea, gabrielcw | 00:12 |
| Daisy | Now we are using Transifex. | 00:13 |
| Daisy | yet I think some of you may know that Transifex closed its source. | 00:13 |
| Daisy | Some requests come from OpenStack community and CI team to evaluate other translation tools. | 00:14 |
| Daisy | Like pootle | 00:14 |
| Daisy | Actually, after Horzion translation, I began to like Transfix now. | 00:14 |
| gabrielcw | I think its good to use, but lacks of support | 00:15 |
| Daisy | But if Transifex won't support statistics , we will not be able to choose it. | 00:15 |
| gabrielcw | and we will not have the stats, only in the paid version | 00:15 |
| Daisy | Right. | 00:15 |
| gabrielcw | yeah, Daisy | 00:15 |
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| Daisy | The stats is very important for a open source community. | 00:16 |
| dylan | Right | 00:16 |
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| dylan | That's the problem. | 00:16 |
| Daisy | So let's start from the requirements to translation tools. | 00:16 |
| Daisy | Our requirements to translation tools, and then we find out if there is suitalble tools support. | 00:17 |
| Daisy | I hope to find somebody else to lead this discussion in our mailing list. | 00:17 |
| Daisy | Who want to do that? | 00:17 |
| gabrielcw | maybe someone who knows more the existing tools | 00:18 |
| Daisy | if nobody, I can do. | 00:18 |
| gabrielcw | who setup the pootle test server? | 00:18 |
| Daisy | I think a guy from CI team. | 00:18 |
| gabrielcw | I know only tx, so I won`t be of much help | 00:19 |
| Daisy | hehe. ok. I can. | 00:19 |
| Daisy | #action Daisy to start the discussion in mailing list about requirements to translation tools. | 00:19 |
| Daisy | After translation tool is selected, we need the tool to integrate with openstack development infrastructure. | 00:20 |
| Daisy | I mean, something like the automatic syncronization between git and transifex | 00:21 |
| gabrielcw | that's important | 00:21 |
| Daisy | Now there are automation scripts to push and pull the translations from Transifex to Github for some projects, not all. | 00:21 |
| Daisy | I remember somebody has said that Horzion development team don't like the daily update, there is no automation scripts for Horzion. | 00:21 |
| Daisy | So that Akihiro Motoki made several manually translation update in Horizon release. | 00:22 |
| ujuc | so .. not translation tool.... | 00:22 |
| ujuc | http://www.penflip.com/ | 00:22 |
| ujuc | that ... | 00:22 |
| Daisy | What is penflip? | 00:22 |
| ujuc | git like doc | 00:23 |
| ujuc | document tool. | 00:23 |
| ujuc | github :);; | 00:23 |
| Daisy | how can it help our translation? | 00:23 |
| dylan | git-like documentation tool? | 00:24 |
| ujuc | yes .. | 00:24 |
| Daisy | I'm not clear how it is helpful for us, ujuc ? sorry I cannot catch you. | 00:25 |
| ujuc | :) | 00:25 |
| ujuc | well | 00:26 |
| Daisy | Continue my talk, I think we also need discussion about the syncronization process too. | 00:26 |
| ujuc | yeb.. | 00:27 |
| Daisy | I mean, when to update the translation resources? When to download the translations to github? | 00:27 |
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| dylan | Another mail-list discussion | 00:27 |
| gabrielcw | is there a way to do this nightly/periodically by jenkins? | 00:28 |
| Daisy | I think, even the translation resources being updated daily at the beginning of a release, our translators won't keep an eye on the translation update and work on the transation from day to day. | 00:28 |
| gabrielcw | I think this could be done weekly | 00:28 |
| Daisy | gabrielcw: think of this way, when Icehouse starts, and the translation resources are updated weekly, will you work on the translation? | 00:29 |
| gabrielcw | well, yes | 00:30 |
| gabrielcw | as far as I can I do this | 00:30 |
| Daisy | Even the translation resources may be updated and deleted? | 00:30 |
| gabrielcw | I see | 00:30 |
| Daisy | Because they are not stable... | 00:30 |
| clarkb | I am going to jump in here for a sec. We currently push .pot updates to tx whenever code updates change .pot and pull from tx and propose that to gerrit once a day. Is that not working well? | 00:30 |
| gabrielcw | maybe we should wait then for the mid of the development to start? | 00:31 |
| Daisy | Thanks for jump in, clarkb. | 00:31 |
| Daisy | we are discussing. | 00:31 |
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| Daisy | In Horizon release, we start the translation when the string is called frozen.. | 00:31 |
| Daisy | Surely, there is no really "forzen", there are a few changes after string frozen. | 00:32 |
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| Daisy | but we start the work when there is no that so many changes frequently. | 00:32 |
| gabrielcw | But like that we may not have enough time to do it depending on the project ? | 00:33 |
| Daisy | I think we need to find a time point for translators to start the work, when most of the strings are to some kind of "stable". | 00:34 |
| gabrielcw | I mean, it may change something, but won`t change entirely , I hope :) | 00:34 |
| gabrielcw | yes | 00:34 |
| Daisy | gabrielcw is correct. The time point is very important, because translators also need enough time to work on the translation too. | 00:34 |
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| Daisy | I don't know. It's hard to decide. | 00:35 |
| vkmc | Daisy, Do strings change that much during the development period? | 00:36 |
| clarkb | between string/feature freeze and release you have ~6 weeks, but the first release candidates come out before that | 00:36 |
| Daisy | I don't know, vkmc | 00:36 |
| Daisy | Developers may know. | 00:37 |
| gabrielcw | just to sample, is there a way to retrieve a diff to check if there are tipically many strings that are removed completely? This is the worst case. I noticed that some strings that changed just had typos fixed, or improved | 00:37 |
| gabrielcw | so if one starts early it won't be a waste if there isn't that much removed strings | 00:37 |
| vkmc | Daisy, I don't have much experience, but usually I don't see so many changes with strings | 00:37 |
| Daisy | clarkb: Horzion has 1700+ strings. If more components include, that will be a big number of strings. | 00:37 |
| Daisy | 6 weeks is not enough. | 00:38 |
| clarkb | Daisy: yeah, especially with the release candidates coming out sooner | 00:38 |
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| Daisy | If I'm a developer, and when I'm developing a feature, I may change the strings several times while I'm developing. But when I commit to a code repository, I may change, but may not that frequently. | 00:39 |
| vkmc | We should take the decision considering the translation effort we will need if we decide to perform all the translations at the end of the release cycle, and the effort we will need to do if some strings change or get removed | 00:39 |
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| Daisy | you are right, vkmc. If we can get the numbers of string change in each commit, it will be helpful. | 00:41 |
| vkmc | I usually contribute to Horizon with code reviews and don't see many changes in strings... that's why I ask... but maybe in other projects strings are more unestable | 00:41 |
| Daisy | time is up. I just want to bring the our eyes to the current upload/download process, and the translation work in a release cycle too. | 00:43 |
| Daisy | we can discuss in the mail list. | 00:43 |
| gabrielcw | ok | 00:43 |
| dylan | Ideally, we need a git-like tool records all string changes, even for deletion and new strings. | 00:43 |
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| Daisy | dylan: as Transifex said, all strings deleted will be saved in the translation memory of Transifex. | 00:44 |
| Daisy | so these strings can still be found when it is in the recomend list. | 00:44 |
| dylan | Can we do version control in transifex? | 00:45 |
| dylan | for string changes | 00:45 |
| Daisy | actually, I'm thinking if it is possible to use a git repository to contain only the translation resources, other than saving the translation resources in other projects. | 00:45 |
| Daisy | no, no version control. | 00:45 |
| Daisy | for example, we use a git repository to store only po files, po file from each project. | 00:46 |
| gabrielcw | maybe there's s better way, but we could harvest the repos and thn gather in a new repo the translation files | 00:46 |
| gabrielcw | certainly there's a better way :) but like that would be transparent for projects | 00:47 |
| Daisy | and our daily work in Transifex will be saved in this git repository, but the syncronize between this git repo to other code base git repo is a certain period. | 00:47 |
| Daisy | gabrielcw: I like the word: transparent. | 00:47 |
| Daisy | that's a possible choice. | 00:48 |
| gabrielcw | I was thinking about using jenkins for that | 00:48 |
| Daisy | jenkins can help, I'm sure. | 00:48 |
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| gabrielcw | Akihiro could help answer if this is possible | 00:48 |
| Daisy | let's move to next item. | 00:49 |
| Daisy | Documentation translation - Operation guide | 00:49 |
| Daisy | hehe. | 00:49 |
| Daisy | Again, operation guide is the top priority. | 00:49 |
| Daisy | Again, we need to have the first PoC of translated document publish website. | 00:49 |
| Daisy | We have talked about operation guide for many times. | 00:49 |
| gabrielcw | it's enourmous! | 00:50 |
| Daisy | I think we need a time line to push things go on. | 00:50 |
| gabrielcw | haha | 00:50 |
| vkmc | That will hurt | 00:50 |
| Daisy | I hope we can have a ja document web site before summit, so that I can demostrate that to people. | 00:50 |
| Daisy | I will try to push this happen. | 00:51 |
| Daisy | Next item: message translation. | 00:51 |
| Daisy | Not horizon, but messages in Nova, glance, and something else. | 00:51 |
| Daisy | Oslo team is working on the codes refactor of the translate messages. | 00:51 |
| Daisy | I think we can raise the requirements to them on behalf of users and translators. | 00:52 |
| Daisy | So firstly, I want to understand our opinion to the I18n policies of messages. | 00:52 |
| Daisy | There are some questions, like: | 00:52 |
| Daisy | Whether to translate log messages? | 00:52 |
| Daisy | Whether to localize the REST API response messages? | 00:52 |
| Daisy | Whether to translate command line output messages? | 00:52 |
| Daisy | Do you have any other questions or concerns to the I18n polices of messages? | 00:53 |
| gabrielcw | good points | 00:53 |
| Daisy | We can get a list and send to mail list and ask for inputs. | 00:53 |
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| gabrielcw | about localization of dates? | 00:53 |
| Daisy | We are from different country and we are the users. so we can decide the policy and ask developers to change their codes. :)) | 00:53 |
| Daisy | date is a good point. | 00:54 |
| fifieldt | sounds good | 00:54 |
| vkmc | Daisy, How technical words should be translated? Or... should those be translated at all? | 00:54 |
| Daisy | what does "technical words" mean, vkmc? | 00:54 |
| gabrielcw | i see some problems with that, because I was wondering if I translate the date string, if the datepicker of the code will have this option you know | 00:54 |
| gabrielcw | the message says dd/mm/yy and the datepicker fills mm/dd/yy | 00:55 |
| Daisy | gabrielcw: I don't know the technical details of date localization. | 00:55 |
| Daisy | gabrielcw: I don't know how it is supported in Python framework. | 00:55 |
| gabrielcw | there's some development effort needed to support this kind of thing | 00:55 |
| gabrielcw | depends mostly of the UI I think, so it's JS | 00:56 |
| vkmc | Daisy, For instance, "Router" or "VIP" (Virtual IP)... there are others more complex | 00:56 |
| Daisy | understand, vkmc . | 00:56 |
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| Daisy | In my opinion, whether to translate technical words should be discussed within the language translation team and get a consensus. | 00:57 |
| Daisy | Then the whole language translation team should follow the agreement. | 00:57 |
| Daisy | That's enough. | 00:58 |
| dylan | yes | 00:58 |
| vkmc | Daisy, Sometimes there is a risk that the translation generates confusion, most technical users are used to read them in English | 00:58 |
| vkmc | Agree | 00:58 |
| dylan | that's good | 00:58 |
| gabrielcw | agree | 00:58 |
| Daisy | I know decision is hard to make, vkmc . :) | 00:58 |
| vkmc | Yeah :) | 00:58 |
| Daisy | Like when I translate VCPU, I asked Akihiro Motoki what does it mean, | 00:58 |
| gabrielcw | haha | 00:59 |
| Daisy | I asked Akihiro Motoki whether he translated it. | 00:59 |
| dylan | I think this is also the problem for all translation projects | 00:59 |
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| gabrielcw | i got into this also | 00:59 |
| Daisy | there are some common questions, yes. | 00:59 |
| Daisy | but I'm open if different language teams have different answers. | 00:59 |
| Daisy | time is up. | 01:00 |
| vkmc | It's yeah, and it's important that we create a dictionary of those words in each translation team and have it as a guide to keep consistency | 01:00 |
| vkmc | I will discuss it with the Spanish team | 01:00 |
| Daisy | It looks like we need a lot of discussion within our mail list. I will summarize these questions together and send to mail list. so please actively express your idea in the mail list. | 01:01 |
| dylan | 'a dictionary of those words in each translation team', that is necessary I think | 01:01 |
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| Daisy | I agree, dylan. | 01:01 |
| Daisy | That can be a requirement to our translation tool. | 01:01 |
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| dylan | right | 01:01 |
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| Daisy | OK. Nice to talk with you | 01:01 |
| Daisy | Looking forwad to continue the discussion by email. | 01:02 |
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| vkmc | Yay :) Thanks all | 01:02 |
| dylan | Nice talk | 01:02 |
| Daisy | Thank you for joinning the meeting. | 01:02 |
| ujuc | :) | 01:02 |
| Daisy | #endmeeting | 01:02 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Oct 17 01:02:31 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 01:02 |
| gabrielcw | thanks all, good day/evening! | 01:02 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_i18n_meeting/2013/openstack_i18n_meeting.2013-10-17-00.00.html | 01:02 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_i18n_meeting/2013/openstack_i18n_meeting.2013-10-17-00.00.txt | 01:02 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_i18n_meeting/2013/openstack_i18n_meeting.2013-10-17-00.00.log.html | 01:02 |
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| vkmc | Cheers! | 01:03 |
| ujuc | ;) | 01:03 |
| ujuc | good day/evening :) | 01:04 |
| vkmc | Night here! :) o/ | 01:04 |
| gabrielcw | 10 pm here | 01:05 |
| gabrielcw | thanks, bye! | 01:06 |
| ujuc | ...:0 | 01:06 |
| ujuc | Kekekeke | 01:06 |
| vkmc | We are in the same timezone gabrielcw :o bye! | 01:06 |
| gabrielcw | haha | 01:06 |
| gabrielcw | but | 01:06 |
| ujuc | bye! :)) | 01:06 |
| gabrielcw | but how are we in the same timezone? spain right? | 01:07 |
| vkmc | No, Argentina | 01:07 |
| gabrielcw | oh | 01:07 |
| gabrielcw | sorry | 01:07 |
| gabrielcw | hola | 01:07 |
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| gabrielcw | i'm in brazil | 01:07 |
| Daisy | :) Thanks for keeping that late. | 01:08 |
| gabrielcw | Hi Daisy :) | 01:08 |
| dylan | morning in china :) | 01:08 |
| gabrielcw | that's so intersting | 01:08 |
| gabrielcw | *interesting | 01:08 |
| vkmc | gabrielcw, Awesome :) We're neighbours heh | 01:08 |
| Daisy | I'm 9am now. | 01:09 |
| ujuc | I'm 10am :) | 01:09 |
| gabrielcw | yeah, I'm in Porto Alegre, closer than you thought haha | 01:09 |
| dylan | same as Daisy | 01:09 |
| Daisy | It's 9am here in Beijiing. | 01:09 |
| vkmc | Daisy, I'm glad to join | 01:09 |
| gabrielcw | I will get into summer time this saturday | 01:09 |
| gabrielcw | does this affects Argentina also? | 01:10 |
| gabrielcw | I have a friend in beijng | 01:10 |
| gabrielcw | at Ubisoft | 01:10 |
| gabrielcw | not, it's in Shangai, sorry | 01:11 |
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| Daisy | haha | 01:11 |
| vkmc | Daisy, It's crazy to know you are starting your day... and I'm thinking about dinner :) | 01:11 |
| gabrielcw | dinner? i'm thniking about sleep! | 01:11 |
| Daisy | it's late for you to have dinner, vkmc. | 01:11 |
| gabrielcw | yeah! | 01:11 |
| vkmc | gabrielcw, It does yeah, summer time! | 01:11 |
| Daisy | I just heard you said it was 10pm now, vkmc. | 01:11 |
| Daisy | dylan, where are you ? | 01:12 |
| vkmc | Daisy, Here we have dinner really late... it's not common I know | 01:12 |
| Daisy | which city are you in, dylan? | 01:12 |
| dylan | Nanjing, Daisy | 01:12 |
| Daisy | I like Nanjing very much. | 01:12 |
| dylan | still a student :) | 01:12 |
| Daisy | My sister is in Nanjing. | 01:12 |
| Daisy | which school? | 01:12 |
| dylan | Nanjing University | 01:13 |
| gabrielcw | let me check google maps | 01:13 |
| dylan | :) | 01:13 |
| ujuc | :) | 01:13 |
| Daisy | Nanjing is a beautiful city, and cleaner than Beijing very much. | 01:13 |
| dylan | Nanjing is close to Shanghai, gabrielcw | 01:13 |
| gabrielcw | now I see! | 01:13 |
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| Daisy | Nanjing is still warm and Beijing is very cool now. | 01:13 |
| dylan | Beijing is too crowd... | 01:13 |
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| gabrielcw | i'm not to be able to show up at summit to meet you all | 01:14 |
| gabrielcw | i'm not able, and sorry for that | 01:14 |
| Daisy | The air is dirty in Bejing, usually, full of PM2.5 dirt. | 01:14 |
| dylan | right! | 01:14 |
| Daisy | some of our team members will be there. | 01:15 |
| Daisy | gabrielcw: if we continue to work together, I'm sure sometime we will meet. maybe next summit. | 01:15 |
| dylan | Dirty air in Beijing even affects the choice of working place for many people | 01:15 |
| gabrielcw | I hope | 01:15 |
| gabrielcw | HP will send a guy | 01:15 |
| gabrielcw | from my labs here | 01:15 |
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| Daisy | btw, OpenStack Foundation has a program to sponsor people's travel and hotel for the summit. | 01:16 |
| Daisy | This program is closed now. | 01:16 |
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| Daisy | But some of us can try this program next time. | 01:17 |
| vkmc | I hope we can meet next year summit :) I'll try to be there | 01:17 |
| dylan | Well, I will try next year | 01:17 |
| Daisy | vkmc: although you don't know the city of next summit yet. | 01:17 |
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| vkmc | Daisy, I know, but distance is not a problem | 01:18 |
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| vkmc | I just know I want to meet with OpenStackers again | 01:19 |
| Daisy | great ! Hope to see you next summit. | 01:20 |
| vkmc | :) Same here | 01:20 |
| gabrielcw | hey vkmc, go get some food! it's 10:20 already :) | 01:21 |
| gabrielcw | my time has come, take care everyone! | 01:22 |
| gabrielcw | bye | 01:22 |
| Daisy | bye, gabrielcw | 01:22 |
| dylan | Byebye! | 01:22 |
| vkmc | gabrielcw, I'm on it! Waiting for the dinner to cook itself but I ain't lucky | 01:22 |
| Daisy | Have a nice sleep. | 01:22 |
| gabrielcw | haha thanks! | 01:22 |
| Daisy | vkmc: have a nice dinner | 01:22 |
| vkmc | Ttyl, bye! :) | 01:22 |
| vkmc | Thanks! | 01:22 |
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| Daisy | I have leave and go to office now. | 01:22 |
| dylan | breakfast for me now, byebye! | 01:23 |
| Daisy | bye. | 01:23 |
| dylan | bye, Daisy! | 01:23 |
| Daisy | Have a nice breakfast, dylan. | 01:23 |
| dylan | :) | 01:23 |
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| jd__ | #startmeeting ceilometer | 15:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Oct 17 15:01:05 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jd__. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: ceilometer)" | 15:01 | |
| sileht | o/ | 15:01 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ceilometer' | 15:01 |
| dhellmann | o/ | 15:01 |
| llu-laptop | o/ | 15:01 |
| eglynn | o/ | 15:01 |
| sandywalsh | o/ | 15:02 |
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| thomasem | o/ | 15:02 |
| lexx_ | o/ | 15:02 |
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| jd__ | hi everyone | 15:02 |
| nprivalova | o/ | 15:02 |
| gordc | o/ | 15:02 |
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| jd__ | #topic Release python-ceilometerclient? | 15:02 |
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| eglynn | no need as far I know | 15:03 |
| jd__ | I think we're good on this one | 15:03 |
| eglynn | global requirements not yet updated to 1.06 BTW | 15:03 |
| eglynn | pending https://review.openstack.org/49696 | 15:03 |
| lsmola | o/ | 15:03 |
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| sileht | eglynn, heat stack-update is currently broken I think due to this | 15:04 |
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| eglynn | sileht: due to needing 1.0.6? | 15:04 |
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| sileht | eglynn, heat stack-update with a CM alarm won't work with ceilometerclient 1.0.5 | 15:05 |
| eglynn | sileht: k, we need to get that global requirements change landed asap so | 15:05 |
| dhellmann | does heat specify an upper bound for the client? | 15:05 |
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| sileht | dhellmann, no | 15:05 |
| dhellmann | we really only need that requirements change in a hurry if something specifies an upper bound, right? | 15:06 |
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| dhellmann | +2 approved anyway | 15:06 |
| eglynn | dhellmann: thanks! | 15:06 |
| sileht | dhellmann, thx | 15:07 |
| eglynn | so latest would be picked up in a totally *fresh* build, right? | 15:07 |
| terriyu | o/ | 15:07 |
| eglynn | (but not where there's a preexisting virtualenv with 1.0.5 installed) | 15:07 |
| sileht | eglynn, yes | 15:07 |
| eglynn | cool, got it ... | 15:07 |
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| dhellmann | yes, that's right | 15:08 |
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| jd__ | #topic Open discussion | 15:09 |
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| jd__ | we're out of topic | 15:09 |
| jd__ | :-) | 15:09 |
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| jd__ | I think we released Havana today though I've been busy and didn't check | 15:10 |
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| jd__ | so congrats anyway! :) | 15:10 |
| thomasem | Wahoo! | 15:10 |
| lsmola | \o/ | 15:10 |
| eglynn | break out the cigars & champagne! | 15:10 |
| thomasem | eglynn, +1 | 15:10 |
| sileht | :D | 15:10 |
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| terriyu | yay! | 15:10 |
| lsmola | :-) | 15:10 |
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| gordc | i had a quick question | 15:11 |
| llu-laptop | jd__: I remembed you mentioned merge the hardware agent with central agent. How to resolve the issue of multiple central agent? | 15:11 |
| lexx_ | by the way, what with monitoring physical devices? how discussion with Ironic guys? | 15:11 |
| lsmola | llu-laptop, jd__ it should be just by configuration, right? | 15:11 |
| gordc | does any remember what the conditions for api access were? do you just need to be a member to query api or do you need to be admin... seems like you just need to be a member but that raises security concerns. | 15:12 |
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| jd__ | llu-laptop: we're writing a blueprint about it | 15:12 |
| dhellmann | gordc: admins can query for any resource, regular users can only query for resources owned by the tenant they belong to | 15:12 |
| jd__ | I think discussion with Ironic will be at the summit | 15:12 |
| vvechkanov2 | Hello all. Open discussion so quikly? I have again the same question as 2 weeks ago? Are yuo planning to add different notifications plugins for sms and so on, or it will be realised not in ceilometer? | 15:13 |
| dhellmann | gordc: assuming you mean ceilometer's api | 15:13 |
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| lsmola | lexx_, ndipanov from Nova is starting working on that | 15:13 |
| gordc | dhellmann: yeah, that's roughly what i remember as well. | 15:13 |
| dhellmann | gordc: although with the changes in keystone's model, we probably need to rethink those rules to account for groups | 15:13 |
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| lsmola | lexx_, but seems that IMPI inspector is already in progress | 15:14 |
| lsmola | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ceilometer/+spec/ipmi-inspector-for-monitoring-physical-devices | 15:14 |
| gordc | dhellmann: i guess the only way to make it admin only is to make some coding changes on the side. | 15:14 |
| lsmola | lexx_, we will probably add ironic_ipmi_inspector then | 15:14 |
| thomasem | vvechkanov2, I would think Oslo would be the authoritative place for notification plugins. | 15:15 |
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| lsmola | llu-laptop, btw. in a week or so, I will have time to help you with anything on the agent, if you will need it :-) | 15:15 |
| dhellmann | gordc: why would you want to do that? | 15:15 |
| thomasem | vvechkanov2, That way all projects could benefit from such a thing | 15:15 |
| lexx_ | lsmola_, Can I do something in this moment? I complete with IPMI inspector for Ceilometer | 15:16 |
| thomasem | vvechkanov2, https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Oslo | 15:16 |
| vvechkanov2 | thomasem, we both mean the same? Alarm notifications? | 15:16 |
| gordc | dhellmann: sort of ties back to audit work. in some cases the data ceilometer captures may be priveliged | 15:16 |
| dhellmann | gordc: ok, I can see that | 15:16 |
| gordc | Â privileged data* ( i should learn to spell) | 15:16 |
| nadya | just an update about HBase. We started to testing it but Ceilometer still cannot put data to it because of a bug. Continue working :) | 15:17 |
| llu-laptop | Ismola, thanks, let's see how this going. | 15:17 |
| thomasem | vvechkanov2, Not absolutely certain there. One of these other folks would probably know more about alarming than me. | 15:17 |
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| sandywalsh | vvechkanov2: it would be nice to see alarm publishers unified with sample publishers | 15:17 |
| eglynn | wechkanov2: I was hoping Marconi/Foghorn will give us SNS-style notifications | 15:18 |
| gordc | dhellmann: i guess the question is how we make certain data 'privileged' and other data open to members. | 15:18 |
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| llu-laptop | One more question about the Ironic/ceilometer. With Ironic, could we monitor physical machines other than those used like nova-compute node? | 15:18 |
| dhellmann | gordc: that sounds like a potentially large discussion | 15:18 |
| gordc | dhellmann: agreed. | 15:19 |
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| lsmola | lexx_, I see it's -2, well you will have to wait for the Ironic API I guess, try to ask Ironic guys if you can help in that area | 15:19 |
| vvechkanov2 | eglynn, do you speaking with marconi's community about it? They have such things in plans? | 15:19 |
| gordc | dhellmann: i'll create a bp topic for it | 15:19 |
| eglynn | there's a session proposed for summit | 15:19 |
| eglynn | wechkanov: ^^^ intending to discuss it there | 15:20 |
| dhellmann | gordc: good idea | 15:20 |
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| eglynn | FYI latest stable/grizzly release almost ready to fly https://launchpad.net/ceilometer/+milestone/2013.1.4 | 15:21 |
| eglynn | (pending https://review.openstack.org/52348 ...) | 15:21 |
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| nadya | guys, just a quick question about data-processing. Did you think about more complicated statistics besides min, max? Maybe about filtering? | 15:22 |
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| lsmola | llu-laptop, with tripleo, every hardware will be a nova instance, it is using nova-baremetal (ironic) for hardware management | 15:22 |
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| lsmola | llu-laptop, so it's not only for compute :-) | 15:22 |
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| terriyu | nadya: I think there's a blueprint that mentions something about that | 15:23 |
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| lsmola | llu-laptop, they call it Undercloud, it's another openstack for managing the openstack :-) | 15:24 |
| llu-laptop | eglynn: just +2 and approved 52348 | 15:24 |
| eglynn | llu-laptop: thank you sir! | 15:24 |
| terriyu | nadya: look at https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ceilometer/+spec/api-v2-improvement | 15:25 |
| nadya | terriyu, thanks! | 15:25 |
| llu-laptop | lsmola: thanks for the information, I'll look at those. | 15:26 |
| lsmola | llu-laptop, you are welcome | 15:26 |
| lsmola | llu-laptop, I use this for setting up a development environment http://docs.openstack.org/developer/tripleo-incubator/devtest.html | 15:27 |
| terriyu | hey everyone, just wanted to mention that OpenStack is participating again in the open source internship program | 15:27 |
| lsmola | llu-laptop, for hardware agent testing | 15:27 |
| terriyu | the link is https://wiki.gnome.org/OutreachProgramForWomen/2013/DecemberMarch | 15:27 |
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| terriyu | feel free to publicize it in Twitter / blog / email / etc | 15:28 |
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| lsmola | terriyu, will do | 15:29 |
| terriyu | thanks lsmola ! | 15:29 |
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| terriyu | the deadline for the internship application is Nov 11 | 15:29 |
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| dperaza | hello all, also want to ask a question I filed this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ceilometer/+bug/1240994 | 15:30 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1240994 in ceilometer "Havan rc2 acl scenarios failing due to timezone assumption (dup-of: 1238529)" [Undecided,In progress] | 15:30 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1238529 in ceilometer "keystoneclient 0.4.0 breaks Ceilometer" [Critical,Fix released] | 15:30 |
| dperaza | but it shows as dup of this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ceilometer/+bug/1238529 | 15:30 |
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| dperaza | which shows it has a fix release | 15:31 |
| dperaza | what do I do there | 15:31 |
| dperaza | continue working 1240994 or switch to 1238529 that is already in fix state? | 15:32 |
| gordc | just for reference, i also see the same issue as dperaza. the timezone issue seems to affect us in North America. | 15:32 |
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| gordc | sileht: dperaza bug relates to this patch. | 15:33 |
| gordc | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/52182/2 | 15:33 |
| eglynn | dperaza: are you thinking 1240994 isn't really a duplicate of 1238529? | 15:33 |
| dperaza | I think is an additional issue | 15:33 |
| dperaza | 1238529 did fix some things | 15:34 |
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| sileht | Perhaps I have miss something ? | 15:34 |
| dperaza | they are both casue by keystoneclient 0.4 move | 15:34 |
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| eglynn | dperaza: in that case you can remove the duplicate setting | 15:35 |
| gordc | sileht: i think you guys in Europe can't see it. :) | 15:35 |
| sileht | gordc, oh | 15:35 |
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| eglynn | dperaza: (then propose a separate fix for 1240994) | 15:35 |
| dperaza | I did already | 15:35 |
| sileht | dperaza, sorry | 15:35 |
| * eglynn refreshes ... | 15:35 | |
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| dperaza | but, my concern was the the bug show as dup | 15:36 |
| gordc | dperaza: i think it's safe to keep going with what you have. | 15:36 |
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| eglynn | dperaza: did already remove the duplicate status? | 15:36 |
| eglynn | dperaza: or did already propose a patch? | 15:36 |
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| dperaza | did already proposed a patch | 15:36 |
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| eglynn | dperaza: a-ha, I see it now | 15:36 |
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| eglynn | dperaza: (launchpad slow to update bug) | 15:37 |
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| gordc | dperaza: we'll have one of the Europe ppl to test that it works for them as well. i think it's a good idea to get rid of datetime.datetime.now() reference to begin with. | 15:37 |
| sileht | dperaza, I have removed my -1 and I will really review it so | 15:37 |
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| eglynn | should we be using the olso timeutils version across the board? | 15:37 |
| eglynn | (i.e. instead of datetime.now() called directly ...) | 15:38 |
| sileht | eglynn, I think it always better because it allows to mock the time easyly | 15:38 |
| gordc | eglynn: that seems to be safer. been seeing a lot of timezone issues with datetime.now() | 15:38 |
| gordc | sileht: agreed | 15:38 |
| eglynn | sileht: yep, agreed | 15:38 |
| llu-laptop | eglynn: agreed | 15:38 |
| eglynn | cool | 15:38 |
| dperaza | I do thing using utcnow whenever possible is good idea yes | 15:38 |
| dragondm | yah, OS times should *always* be utc. | 15:39 |
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| thomasem | dragondm, +1 | 15:39 |
| dperaza | if someone needs timezone dates they can always conver before showing | 15:39 |
| thomasem | yep | 15:39 |
| dragondm | bingo. | 15:39 |
| dperaza | but backend should store utc | 15:40 |
| thomasem | yep | 15:40 |
| dragondm | local times should only be used for user display. | 15:40 |
| thomasem | I don't care if it's redundant for me to say it, but that's how much I agree. +1000 | 15:40 |
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| lsmola | thomasem, +1001 | 15:41 |
| thomasem | Whoaaaaa price is right over here | 15:41 |
| lsmola | hehe | 15:41 |
| thomasem | :P | 15:41 |
| gordc | thomasem: you're breaking DRY. | 15:41 |
| thomasem | gordc, you caught me | 15:41 |
| gordc | thomasem: lol you've taught me well. | 15:41 |
| thomasem | LOL | 15:41 |
| dragondm | Rule #1 of programming: Don't Repeat yourself. | 15:42 |
| dragondm | Rule #2 of programming: Don't Repeat yourself. | 15:42 |
| gordc | dragondm: :) | 15:42 |
| thomasem | I thought it was don't talk about fight club? | 15:42 |
| thomasem | D= | 15:42 |
| jd__ | should I close the meeting? :) | 15:43 |
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| gordc | jd__: works for me. | 15:43 |
| lsmola | dragondm, unless you write tests, then DAMP :-) | 15:43 |
| eglynn | jd__: yep, I think we're done | 15:43 |
| jd__ | :-) | 15:44 |
| jd__ | #endmeeting | 15:44 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Oct 17 15:44:08 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:44 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ceilometer/2013/ceilometer.2013-10-17-15.01.html | 15:44 |
| jd__ | have fun guys | 15:44 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ceilometer/2013/ceilometer.2013-10-17-15.01.txt | 15:44 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ceilometer/2013/ceilometer.2013-10-17-15.01.log.html | 15:44 |
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| thomasem | Take it easy! | 15:44 |
| lsmola | thank you, bye | 15:44 |
| terriyu | have a good day everyone | 15:44 |
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| dperaza | thanks for the time | 15:45 |
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| mtreinish | #startmeeting qa | 17:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Oct 17 17:02:09 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mtreinish. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:02 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'qa' | 17:02 |
| mtreinish | hi sorry we're a couple min late, who is here? | 17:02 |
| mlavalle | hi | 17:02 |
| sdague | hey, folks | 17:02 |
| sdague | yeh, who all is around... o/ | 17:03 |
| afazekas | hi | 17:03 |
| krtaylor | o/ | 17:03 |
| mtreinish | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/QATeamMeeting | 17:03 |
| mlavalle | hi, want to report on Neutron testing | 17:03 |
| mtreinish | today's agenda is a single item? | 17:03 |
| sileht | o/ | 17:03 |
| sdague | mtreinish: being release week, I didn't populate from last week | 17:03 |
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| sdague | my bad | 17:03 |
| sdague | ok, lets start with neutron | 17:03 |
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| mtreinish | #topic neutron | 17:03 |
| sdague | then the ceilometer one | 17:03 |
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| mtreinish | mlavalle: take it away | 17:04 |
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| mlavalle | sdague: i've been working on https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1209446 | 17:04 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1209446 in nova "nova security group extension doesn't handle neutron exception properly" [Medium,Fix released] | 17:04 |
| Anju | hi | 17:04 |
| andreaf | hi | 17:04 |
| sdague | mlavalle: ok, great | 17:04 |
| giulivo | hi | 17:04 |
| mlavalle | sdague: I did a very thorough trace of network traffic in all the ports | 17:04 |
| mlavalle | sdague: involved. So i'm pretty sure the network piece is ok | 17:05 |
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| mlavalle | sdague: last night I ran the test but added my own tearDownClass to keep the instance alive | 17:05 |
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| mlavalle | sdague: an attempted login with the key pair created by the test | 17:06 |
| mlavalle | an it fails. so the problem is somewhere with the key pair machinery | 17:06 |
| * kashyap waves hi | 17:06 | |
| mtreinish | mlavalle: wasn't that similar issue to what was happening before in the basic network scenario test? | 17:07 |
| mlavalle | the ssh i ran was manual | 17:07 |
| mlavalle | yeah, it's the same test | 17:07 |
| andreaf | mlavalle: does cirros cloud-init handle key injection properly? perhaps logging the console-log from the VM may help | 17:07 |
| mlavalle | andreaf: that's my suspicion now | 17:07 |
| mlavalle | because the ssh was done manually by me | 17:08 |
| afazekas | andreaf: You cannot inject key into the cirros image, but it should get as metadata | 17:08 |
| kashyap | (Just a small note - cirros does run a bunch of networking commands as part of boot & throws them in its serial console log) | 17:08 |
| mlavalle | afazekas: so, any advice as to how to proceed? | 17:08 |
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| andreaf | afazekas: yes that's what I meant, wrong wording sorry. the metadata goes through cloud-init, neutron and nova, so many points in which it could fail | 17:09 |
| sdague | afazekas: were you using config drive to populate in your tests? | 17:09 |
| sdague | afazekas: what approach were you taking | 17:09 |
| mlavalle | kashyap: i'll take a look at that | 17:09 |
| sdague | ok, cool | 17:10 |
| sdague | anything else on neutron? | 17:10 |
| sdague | jd__: you around? | 17:10 |
| kashyap | mlavalle, If you're curious what commands it runs, when I started exploring OpenStack, I noted down them here (scroll to the end of post) - https://kashyapc.wordpress.com/2013/04/06/finding-serial-console-log-of-a-nova-instance/ | 17:11 |
| mlavalle | sdague: yeah…. | 17:11 |
| afazekas | sdague: The instances are able to get the key in three way, one is the file injection (not working), the another one is via the metadata service, and the config drive | 17:11 |
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| jd__ | just arrived | 17:11 |
| sdague | afazekas: right, which way were you doing it? | 17:11 |
| afazekas | We are using the metadata service in almost all cases | 17:11 |
| mlavalle | sdague: one more thing…. doing this exercise i had to set a lot of tcpdump traces manualy across all the ports involved….. | 17:11 |
| sdague | we should probably change that to config drive, which is a little more reliable from my experience | 17:12 |
| mtreinish | sdague: yeah it's normally from the metadata service (except in the config drive tests :) ) | 17:12 |
| sdague | especially when we are playing with networking | 17:12 |
| mlavalle | sdague: would there be interest in adding debug code to tempest to be able to trace network traffic in tests? | 17:12 |
| sdague | I could imagine us doing something totally crazy that gets in the way of the metadata service | 17:12 |
| sdague | mlavalle: yes | 17:12 |
| mlavalle | sdague: i would implement it | 17:12 |
| sdague | mlavalle: you need sudo for tcpdump? | 17:12 |
| andreaf | sdague: +1 there's a lot of the nw debugging which could be automated | 17:13 |
| mlavalle | sdague: yes i do need sudo for tcpdump | 17:13 |
| sdague | we are currently running under a separate tempest user in the gate | 17:13 |
| sdague | but we have a sudo file for it, which has ip and iptables in it | 17:13 |
| sdague | adding tcpdump is probably an option | 17:13 |
| sdague | mlavalle lets take that over to -qa after the meeting | 17:13 |
| afazekas | we should log the nova console-log on unexpected failure, but AFAIK the metedata service is always expected to work, when the instance has connection to a router | 17:13 |
| mlavalle | sdague: ok, i will create a blueprint and target it at icehouse | 17:13 |
| sdague | mlavalle: great | 17:14 |
| mlavalle | sdague: that's all i have | 17:14 |
| mtreinish | mlavalle: actually that brings up another thing I probably should have said earlier. | 17:14 |
| sdague | afazekas: we had some interesting issues with metadata service in real environments, so moved to config drive | 17:14 |
| mtreinish | This morning we branched tempest stable/havana | 17:14 |
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| mtreinish | so all merged commits are now for the icehouse release of tempest | 17:15 |
| sdague | right | 17:15 |
| sdague | #info Tempest master is now icehouse | 17:15 |
| sdague | #info stable/havana open for backports | 17:15 |
| mtreinish | sdague: that's more because of our weird network setup in the lab getting in the way | 17:15 |
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| mlavalle | mtreinish: cool | 17:15 |
| afazekas | sdague: AFAIK we returned back to the metadata | 17:15 |
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| sdague | mtreinish: yeh, but still, when the tests are manipulating the networks, it seems like removing moving parts might be good | 17:16 |
| sdague | anyway, just a thought | 17:16 |
| sdague | ok, let's get on to the ceilo item | 17:16 |
| mtreinish | #topic Unblocking of Ceilometer QA testing (jd__, sileht) | 17:16 |
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| mtreinish | jd__, sileht: you're up | 17:16 |
| jd__ | thanks | 17:16 |
| jd__ | so we're trying to add tests on Ceilometer using tempest for a while now | 17:17 |
| jd__ | we hit a bug, it took a _very_ long time to track it down and we're trying to solve it | 17:17 |
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| jd__ | the main point of this item in the agenda today is to stress you a bit on how important it is for Ceilometer :) | 17:17 |
| sdague | so can you guys reorder the patches to put this as the bottom - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/51623/ - that way it won't be caught up on top of others | 17:18 |
| sdague | I'll work with dtroyer to land that one today | 17:18 |
| jd__ | ok cool | 17:18 |
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| sdague | but it will be simpler if it's not 3 deep in a patch queue | 17:19 |
| jd__ | I think sileht can do that it shouldn't be long, sileht? | 17:19 |
| sileht | I do it now :) | 17:19 |
| jd__ | sdague: you'd prefer just one patch? | 17:19 |
| sdague | cool, thanks | 17:19 |
| sdague | actually, it's good to have all of them, but that's the only one blocking you guys, so let's put it at the bottom and do it first | 17:20 |
| jd__ | okay :) | 17:20 |
| sdague | as the others are less urgent | 17:20 |
| jd__ | indeed | 17:20 |
| sdague | cool, great | 17:20 |
| jd__ | so that's it for us if it's solved quickly without much debate :) | 17:20 |
| jd__ | thanks! | 17:21 |
| sileht | sdague, jd__ I have reorder the topic | 17:21 |
| sdague | great | 17:21 |
| mtreinish | jd__: ok, cool | 17:21 |
| jd__ | that was fast :) | 17:21 |
| sileht | sdague, don't hesitate to ping me on irc, if you want a other change | 17:21 |
| sileht | quickly | 17:21 |
| sdague | sileht: will do | 17:21 |
| mtreinish | #topic Design Summit Initial Planning (sdague) | 17:21 |
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| mtreinish | lets move on then | 17:21 |
| sdague | sounds good | 17:21 |
| sdague | So I've been processing - http://summit.openstack.org/ so far | 17:22 |
| sdague | and trying to align it with this - https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/icehouse-qa-session-planning | 17:22 |
| mtreinish | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/icehouse-qa-session-planning | 17:22 |
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| ravikumar_hp | i have added one session today | 17:22 |
| ravikumar_hp | when it will be finalized? | 17:23 |
| sdague | so far we have 6 for sure topics that we need to hit, and my feeling is scenario comes up into the list as well, and there is another grenade talk (yet proposed) | 17:23 |
| sdague | ravikumar_hp: end of next week | 17:23 |
| sdague | there are some cross over topics with infra & process that I need to coordinate with jeblair and ttx to make sure are covered | 17:23 |
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| sdague | on topics we've seen before, but haven't seen code delivery in the cycle, I'm going to require a lot of up front justification and details to put them in | 17:24 |
| sdague | because I want to make sure we are maximizing our time on things that we can make progress on in icehouse | 17:24 |
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| sdague | so now is a good time to propose both in the etherpad, and on the summit page. I supose I should send out an email shaking out any other proposals :) | 17:26 |
| sdague | I'll look to do that tomorrow | 17:26 |
| sdague | any questions on summit? | 17:26 |
| sdague | also, who all expects to be there? | 17:26 |
| mtreinish | #action sdague to send out an email shaking out any other proposals | 17:26 |
| sdague | o/ | 17:26 |
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| mtreinish | sdague: o/ | 17:26 |
| sdague | man...that will be a small summit :) | 17:27 |
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| sdague | guess we are missing a bunch of folks today in the meeting anyway | 17:27 |
| mtreinish | heh, yeah | 17:27 |
| sdague | ok, I guess open discussion time | 17:27 |
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| mtreinish | #topic open discussion | 17:27 |
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| mtreinish | does anyone have anything they'd like to bring up? | 17:28 |
| sdague | so, anything else on folks minds? | 17:28 |
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| afazekas | May be Fault injection testing can be an additional topic on the summit | 17:29 |
| sdague | afazekas: possibly, is there a real plan of attacking that in icehouse? | 17:29 |
| sdague | afazekas: actually, something I'd *really* like to see early in icehouse is fedora in the gate | 17:29 |
| sdague | any idea if there is anyone at Red Hat that would take that on | 17:30 |
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| afazekas | sdague: yes | 17:30 |
| andreaf | one topic that interest me is how to collect and do stats on test results - on the gate we expect all tests to pass most of the time, but running tempest against a large scale cloud can bring up ~random errors, and I don't have the tools now to try and correlate such errors properly | 17:30 |
| afazekas | I will add it the the etharpd | 17:31 |
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| sdague | afazekas: great | 17:31 |
| afazekas | should we target f19 or f20 ? | 17:31 |
| sdague | andreaf: would that be covered under the elastic-recheck session? | 17:31 |
| sdague | afazekas: the details right now are less important to me, then someone that's committed to driving that forward | 17:31 |
| kashyap | afazekas, (Side note - F20 release date is around 1st week of Dec) | 17:32 |
| afazekas | sdague: ok | 17:32 |
| sdague | I'm totally happy setting asside a summit session to sort out all that would be required to get fedora into the pipeline | 17:32 |
| mtreinish | andreaf: it also might have overlap with the parallel testing moving forward session | 17:32 |
| mtreinish | part of that will be about tooling to figure out what is going on | 17:32 |
| sdague | making sure all the right infra folks are in the room | 17:32 |
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| sdague | and what makes sense | 17:33 |
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| sdague | andreaf: yeh, do you feel like we could cover it in one of those sessions? or should we plan something else on it? | 17:33 |
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| sdague | ok, other topics? | 17:34 |
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| andreaf | sdague mtreinish yes it fits partly with both | 17:34 |
| kashyap | sdague, I participate in Fedora work from time to time. Is there any etherpad that has any issues that are specific to Fedora here, I maybe able to help in some small way here (or ping right people w/ expertise). | 17:34 |
| sdague | kashyap: well more importantly we need someone to actually work through the details of getting it into the devstack gate | 17:35 |
| sdague | I'm not sure that there is a list of issues per say, it's just a bunch of work, that no one has done | 17:35 |
| sdague | and I feel that we as a community have said Ubuntu and Fedora are our targets, but there isn't any fedora upstream testing | 17:36 |
| sdague | which means things like devstack break on fedora all the time | 17:36 |
| kashyap | Noted. I currently don't have hands-on expertise about gating, (and I'm focusing my energies on a couple of other things at $ day job). But, I use Fedora for all my work, will see what I can do here. | 17:36 |
| sdague | it really needs a leader to do the integration | 17:36 |
| sdague | cool, thanks | 17:36 |
| sdague | ok, any other topics? | 17:37 |
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| sdague | I think we can probably take other discussions over to #openstack-qa, and call it a meeting | 17:37 |
| sdague | and Happy Release Day folks! | 17:37 |
| sdague | all your efforts are a huge part of what made us a successful Havana release | 17:37 |
| mtreinish | #endmeeting | 17:38 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Oct 17 17:38:15 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:38 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2013/qa.2013-10-17-17.02.html | 17:38 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2013/qa.2013-10-17-17.02.txt | 17:38 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2013/qa.2013-10-17-17.02.log.html | 17:38 |
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| bdpayne | #startmeeting OpenStack Security Group | 18:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Oct 17 18:01:12 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is bdpayne. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_security_group' | 18:01 |
| thomasbiege4 | hi | 18:01 |
| bdpayne | hi everyone | 18:01 |
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| bdpayne | who do we have here today? | 18:01 |
| hyakuhei | I'm here. | 18:02 |
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| hyakuhei | Though I'm on a call so I'm multi-tasking. | 18:02 |
| bdpayne | hi there hyakuhei | 18:02 |
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| bdpayne | alright, looks pretty quite today | 18:03 |
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| bdpayne | For my part, I've continued to be pretty heads down with internal work here at my company | 18:03 |
| bdpayne | And doing a little summit planning | 18:03 |
| bdpayne | So I don't have much to report | 18:03 |
| bdpayne | Anything that people want to discuss today? | 18:04 |
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| malini1 | Good morning! | 18:04 |
| thomasbiege4 | looks like a short meeting today :) | 18:04 |
| hyakuhei | Is anyone here actively engaging with CloudKeep/Barbican? | 18:04 |
| bdpayne | malini1 is | 18:04 |
| bdpayne | I think | 18:04 |
| bdpayne | also I believe some people from APL are | 18:05 |
| malini1 | :-) | 18:05 |
| bdpayne | but I don't see them here today | 18:05 |
| malini1 | bdpayne -- correct on both counts | 18:05 |
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| bdpayne | Ok, so before everyone steps away | 18:06 |
| bdpayne | Could we get updates on what people are working on | 18:06 |
| bdpayne | with regards to OpenStack and/or Security | 18:07 |
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| malini1 | Intel is in discussions with various OpenStack companies to scale out TXT | 18:07 |
| malini1 | that is trusted compute pools | 18:08 |
| bdpayne | malini1 If that's true, you should talk with me about that too | 18:08 |
| bdpayne | :-) | 18:08 |
| malini1 | Cool, will do | 18:08 |
| bdpayne | any other updates from people? | 18:09 |
| malini1 | BTW, do you want a book on TXT, hot off the press by Jim Greene? Hyakuhei? | 18:09 |
| bdpayne | nice to know where people are working | 18:09 |
| bdpayne | malini1 Certainly | 18:09 |
| bdpayne | (re the book) | 18:09 |
| malini1 | OK, one for you | 18:09 |
| bdpayne | Ok, since people are being so quite… I'll go | 18:10 |
| thomasbiege4 | cu | 18:11 |
| bdpayne | I'm working to get organized for the summit | 18:11 |
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| bdpayne | And I'm trying to think a bit more strategicly for future directions for OSSG | 18:11 |
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| bdpayne | More tactically, I may be getting more involved with Keystone… but that's still a little tbd based on some things back here at the company | 18:12 |
| malini1 | One of my TODOs was to go through the list of proposed design sessions to get the pulse of the OS developers | 18:12 |
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| bdpayne | thomasbiege4 or hyakuhei care to share what you've been up to? | 18:13 |
| malini1 | At the summit, our Intel team would like to drive some closure on compute node usage statistics representation and communication. it is chiefly related to performance and network traffic. | 18:15 |
| malini1 | useful for billing and scheduling based on actual usage | 18:15 |
| bdpayne | nice | 18:15 |
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| bdpayne | ok, looks like that's all we have for today then | 18:15 |
| bdpayne | thanks everyone… | 18:15 |
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| bdpayne | #endmeeting | 18:16 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Oct 17 18:16:06 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:16 |
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| malini1 | some of our patches never made it in because the community could not agree, a single json DB column, multiple rows | 18:16 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_security_group/2013/openstack_security_group.2013-10-17-18.01.html | 18:16 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_security_group/2013/openstack_security_group.2013-10-17-18.01.txt | 18:16 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_security_group/2013/openstack_security_group.2013-10-17-18.01.log.html | 18:16 |
| hyakuhei | wow that was quick. | 18:16 |
| malini1 | You guys have me cracking up! | 18:16 |
| hyakuhei | malini1: yes, very intersted thanks | 18:16 |
| malini1 | it was kind of quite today | 18:16 |
| malini1 | quiet | 18:16 |
| malini1 | ok one for you too | 18:16 |
| bdpayne | yeah | 18:16 |
| hyakuhei | :D | 18:17 |
| bdpayne | sorry, I didn't mean to cut anyone off | 18:17 |
| bdpayne | just seemed like people were otherwise engaged | 18:17 |
| hyakuhei | That way when I hire Bryan, we'll be all up to date :P | 18:17 |
| malini1 | Till next week then! | 18:17 |
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| harlowja | #startmeeting state-management | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Oct 17 20:00:26 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is harlowja. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: state-management)" | 20:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'state_management' | 20:00 |
| harlowja | howdy folks | 20:00 |
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| harlowja | state-management fun time starts nnooow | 20:00 |
| harlowja | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/StateManagement#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 20:00 |
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| harlowja | anyone here, ha | 20:02 |
| harlowja | if not, short meeting :-P | 20:02 |
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| ativelkov_ | Hi, I am here | 20:02 |
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| harlowja | hi hi | 20:02 |
| gokrokve | Hi. | 20:02 |
| melnikov | hi there | 20:02 |
| tsufiev_ | hello there | 20:02 |
| harlowja | howdy | 20:02 |
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| harlowja | new people, sweet! | 20:03 |
| * harlowja will wait a few for others | 20:03 | |
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| harlowja | alright :) | 20:04 |
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| harlowja | #topic last_time_action_items | 20:04 |
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| harlowja | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/state_management/2013/state_management.2013-10-10-20.00.html | 20:04 |
| harlowja | i think i had the action items so can describe results | 20:05 |
| harlowja | one was from a previous week, and finally did it @ https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/TaskFlow/Best_practices | 20:05 |
| harlowja | some of what i consider good practices for taskflow usage | 20:05 |
| harlowja | *feel free to tell me they aren't good, ha | 20:05 |
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| harlowja | melnikov do u want to add any, or do those sorta make sense? | 20:06 |
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| harlowja | *if u've checked them out | 20:06 |
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| harlowja | other things i was supposed to do | 20:07 |
| harlowja | manila chit-chat about taskflow | 20:07 |
| melnikov | i checked them out, looks nice | 20:07 |
| harlowja | so i did manila chit-chat, gonna talk with one of there folks about taskflow (who is actively using/investigating it) | 20:08 |
| harlowja | since manila is based off cinder, they'd like to follow some of the same patterns | 20:08 |
| harlowja | thx melnikov | 20:08 |
| harlowja | alright, don't think there was any other action items that i can remember | 20:09 |
| harlowja | #topic overall-effort | 20:09 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "overall-effort (Meeting topic: state-management)" | 20:10 | |
| harlowja | so i think today is a pretty big milestone for us, 0.1 i think will be going onto pypi very shortly | 20:10 |
| harlowja | its been like 4 months to get here, and i think we have a pretty good base to move forward with :) | 20:10 |
| changbl | i still see a few commits in review? | 20:10 |
| harlowja | ya, 2 i think | 20:11 |
| harlowja | i don't expect the infra people to +2 for a day though | 20:11 |
| ativelkov_ | Sounds great. Is it related to Havanna release, or these are independent milestones? | 20:11 |
| harlowja | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/52283/ | 20:11 |
| harlowja | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/52462/ | 20:11 |
| harlowja | ativelkov_ for now they are independent milestones, although i think its good to keep in a similar pace | 20:11 |
| harlowja | so after i think 2 more reviews, melnikov do u want to approve, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/51338/ | 20:12 |
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| harlowja | then when the above 2 reviews are infra approved, a package should show up on https://pypi.python.org/pypi/taskflow | 20:12 |
| harlowja | *at least thats what the infra people told me would happen, ha | 20:12 |
| harlowja | +- some additional voodoo, ha | 20:13 |
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| changbl | I guess commits like (https://review.openstack.org/#/c/52352/) will be left out from 0.1? | 20:14 |
| harlowja | lets see, hopefully melnikov can get your comments addressed | 20:14 |
| harlowja | i think its ok if it is, i don't think its critical | 20:15 |
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| changbl | k | 20:15 |
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| harlowja | so thanks to all that helped make it possible :) | 20:16 |
| harlowja | *high five* | 20:16 |
| harlowja | ha | 20:16 |
| caitlin56 | harlowja: I have some questions on the BestPractices page. Shift over to #state-management or just talk about them here? | 20:17 |
| changbl | +1 to all | 20:17 |
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| harlowja | caitlin56 maybe in open-discuss we can do that? | 20:17 |
| melnikov | +1 | 20:17 |
| melnikov | ^^ for high five) | 20:17 |
| caitlin56 | harlowja: sounds good. | 20:17 |
| harlowja | coolness | 20:17 |
| harlowja | so i hope by this weekend, we will have 0.1 package on pypi, all things working out, it seems reasonable | 20:18 |
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| harlowja | *unless i missed some voodoo that i have to do | 20:18 |
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| melnikov | i hoped to address those two storage things before release | 20:19 |
| harlowja | if anyone knows i missed some voodoo, please let me know :) | 20:19 |
| melnikov | should finish tomorrow | 20:19 |
| harlowja | sounds good melnikov | 20:19 |
| harlowja | #topic integration next steps for icehouse | 20:20 |
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| harlowja | so this one is an interesting one, and i think we have some good traction that likely will just have to wait for the summit to see whats next | 20:20 |
| harlowja | although i'm all for trying to work with others before the summit, and i think we have some of that ongoing | 20:20 |
| harlowja | nova @ https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/IcehouseConductorTasksNextSteps | 20:20 |
| harlowja | cinder, https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/CinderTaskFlowFSM | 20:21 |
| harlowja | and a few others | 20:21 |
| harlowja | and lots of summit sessions | 20:21 |
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| harlowja | so i think we can just continue that, try to organize as much as we can, and then 'just make it happen' | 20:21 |
| harlowja | maybe we should start a common icehouse etherpad, sound reasonable? | 20:22 |
| harlowja | to keep track of what/where/who | 20:22 |
| changbl | sounds good | 20:22 |
| harlowja | k | 20:23 |
| harlowja | #action harlowja start that etherpad | 20:23 |
| melnikov | what about adding milestone to launchpad, to tag blueprints and stuff | 20:23 |
| harlowja | agreed | 20:23 |
| harlowja | melnikov do u want to try that, i think its not so hard | 20:23 |
| changbl | what future milestones do we have now? | 20:23 |
| harlowja | 0.2? :) | 20:24 |
| changbl | haha | 20:24 |
| changbl | contents? | 20:24 |
| harlowja | i think we need to get the basic job stuff going, since thats missing | 20:24 |
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| harlowja | and maybe a basic locking api | 20:24 |
| harlowja | or others on https://blueprints.launchpad.net/taskflow that people think are relevant | 20:25 |
| harlowja | it'd be nice to have basic https://blueprints.launchpad.net/taskflow/+spec/conditional-flow-choices to | 20:25 |
| harlowja | *etherpad there on whiteboard | 20:25 |
| harlowja | and whatever else comes out of icehouse discussions | 20:25 |
| harlowja | seem reasonable? | 20:26 |
| * harlowja we can adjust the priority of those blueprints if we want to | 20:26 | |
| gokrokve | When do you plan to release a version 0.2? | 20:27 |
| melnikov | i thinking we need just one Icehouse milestone, and release 0.2 (0.3 and so on) as soon as we have enough major features ready | 20:27 |
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| melnikov | *thought | 20:27 |
| changbl | Can someone illustrate more on conditional flow? seems we are making flows more complex | 20:27 |
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| harlowja | i'm fine with that, melnikov so at openstack milestones we would have a declared 'major' release, minor in between | 20:28 |
| gokrokve | Sounds good. I am just thinking about other project that might depend on taskflow. | 20:28 |
| gokrokve | Thay will not want to wait until Icehouse official release. | 20:28 |
| harlowja | sure, then they can take in minor releases? | 20:28 |
| ativelkov_ | They can always use the latest trunk as well | 20:29 |
| * caitlin56 agrees with gokrokve. I want to add cinder code using taskflow by end of icehouse, not be ready to code for j*whatever. | 20:29 | |
| gokrokve | So you need to have 0.2 release tested and release at Icehouse M1 to allow others to use stable version for development and testing | 20:30 |
| harlowja | caitlin56 i think thats fine, there will be a release, just i think what qualifies as 0.2 (0.3...) we can debate on, maybe each blueprint is a minor release | 20:30 |
| caitlin56 | we need an API freeze date well before the implementation freeze date. | 20:31 |
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| harlowja | sure, seems reasonable | 20:31 |
| gokrokve | harlowja: You can do a release per feature but your VC tree will have a lot of branches for parallel deelopment. | 20:31 |
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| gokrokve | API freezy sounds very reasonable. | 20:32 |
| gokrokve | API freeze sounds very reasonable. | 20:32 |
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| harlowja | ok, then maybe a good idea is for folks to check out https://blueprints.launchpad.net/taskflow and think about what they want in 0.2, the above was my suggestion :) | 20:32 |
| harlowja | and i don't think those suggestions alter the API | 20:32 |
| harlowja | then we can come back to this also after summit discussions | 20:33 |
| gokrokve | I think you need to have some estimations for each BP and than plan release 0.2 accordingly taking into account dates and estimations. | 20:33 |
| gokrokve | Don't forget to multiply ETA by 2. :-) | 20:33 |
| harlowja | ha | 20:33 |
| harlowja | also depends on who is going to do all those BPs ;) | 20:33 |
| rakhmerov | or even 3.1415 :) | 20:33 |
| harlowja | ya, release 0.31415 ftw, ha | 20:34 |
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| gokrokve | harlowja: this is multiplication factor Pi for estimations :-) | 20:34 |
| harlowja | ah | 20:34 |
| harlowja | haha | 20:34 |
| rakhmerov | right :) | 20:34 |
| * caitlin56 isn't sure that you want to admit a given release is irrational. | 20:35 | |
| rakhmerov | kind of a joke, but it usually works pretty well from the experience | 20:35 |
| harlowja | :) | 20:35 |
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| harlowja | ok, so how about the following, we can work on https://blueprints.launchpad.net/taskflow and expand and clear those up, so certain ones are more clear (addressing changbl question) | 20:35 |
| harlowja | and we can then see about 3.145 estimations | 20:36 |
| harlowja | and then come back here and fight over that, ha | 20:36 |
| harlowja | *don't all take all the work at once, ha | 20:36 |
| gokrokve | Sounds good. | 20:36 |
| changbl | harlowja, please assign zk-logbook BP to me | 20:36 |
| rakhmerov | good to me | 20:36 |
| harlowja | sure | 20:36 |
| harlowja | cool | 20:36 |
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| gokrokve | So lets agree that on next meeting we will have rough estimations for each BP. | 20:37 |
| harlowja | and if some of them aren't clear, #openstack-state-management so that we can make them clear | 20:37 |
| harlowja | i think thats fair gokrokve | 20:37 |
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| harlowja | *and pretty detailed summary of what it is | 20:37 |
| gokrokve | By the way who is responsible for testing? | 20:37 |
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| harlowja | mr.jenkins | 20:37 |
| harlowja | :) | 20:37 |
| changbl | haha | 20:38 |
| gokrokve | so u have only unit tests? | 20:38 |
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| harlowja | correct, but its a library, so we can pretty much tests the full system | 20:39 |
| rakhmerov | I believe it doesn't assume anything else | 20:39 |
| rakhmerov | yep | 20:39 |
| * harlowja not sure what a integration test would mean in this case | 20:39 | |
| caitlin56 | You really need two distinct layers of testing. 1) test the engine. 2) test the patterns that use the engine. | 20:39 |
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| harlowja | ya, we have that | 20:39 |
| rakhmerov | understandable | 20:39 |
| gokrokve | ok. so we have ongoing testing with jenkins. | 20:39 |
| harlowja | *mr.jenkins | 20:39 |
| harlowja | :) | 20:39 |
| harlowja | yes, on going mr.jenkins tests stuff | 20:39 |
| harlowja | *not sure of the coverage, although we can probably get it | 20:40 |
| rakhmerov | it's all, in fact, unit testing | 20:40 |
| harlowja | i think we've been pretty dillegent about it | 20:40 |
| gokrokve | What is the coverage? | 20:40 |
| harlowja | unsure, haven't ran that, we should probably get an idea there | 20:40 |
| gokrokve | Do you use static analysis? It should work great for library like code. | 20:40 |
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| harlowja | ya, openstack uses pylint and flake8 which are its static analysis | 20:41 |
| caitlin56 | The syntax allows specification of patterns that make no sense. So exhaustive testing is clearly not feasible. | 20:41 |
| harlowja | *as static as u can get | 20:41 |
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| harlowja | gokrokve and mr.jenkins runs those static analysis for us | 20:41 |
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| gokrokve | ok. | 20:41 |
| harlowja | mr.jenkins is very nice | 20:41 |
| harlowja | i think we can get him to run coverage for us to | 20:41 |
| harlowja | just likely haven't turned on that job | 20:41 |
| harlowja | i can investigate that, shouldn't be hard | 20:42 |
| gokrokve | Yes. It will be great. It is a good indicator of confidence. | 20:42 |
| harlowja | sure | 20:42 |
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| harlowja | #action harlowja see about turning on coverage | 20:42 |
| harlowja | i think its a small change to do that | 20:43 |
| rakhmerov | but not 100% guarantee, imho | 20:43 |
| harlowja | is anything a 100% guarantee :) | 20:43 |
| harlowja | not even US government 100% guarantee | 20:43 |
| harlowja | ha | 20:43 |
| gokrokve | This is a real life. Nobody guarantee 100%. | 20:43 |
| rakhmerov | ok, even 80% | 20:43 |
| rakhmerov | :) | 20:43 |
| changbl | +1 not even US government 100% guarantee :) | 20:43 |
| harlowja | ;) | 20:43 |
| rakhmerov | I mean, I've seen people making test coverage 100% | 20:44 |
| harlowja | taskflow not recommended for missle/mars usage | 20:44 |
| rakhmerov | buy the system kept working wrong | 20:44 |
| harlowja | *my disclaimer, ha | 20:44 |
| gokrokve | I saw projects with 100% coverage and great failures in production :-) | 20:44 |
| rakhmerov | *but | 20:44 |
| rakhmerov | exactly | 20:44 |
| harlowja | if u running your missle system on taskflow, u might want to reconsider, ha | 20:45 |
| rakhmerov | coverage is not a purpose itself, need to realize that | 20:45 |
| harlowja | +1 | 20:45 |
| rakhmerov | not a goal evean | 20:45 |
| rakhmerov | even | 20:45 |
| harlowja | k, i'll get u guys that going | 20:45 |
| harlowja | switching topic :) | 20:46 |
| harlowja | #topic HK summit speaker ideas | 20:46 |
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| gokrokve | Yep. I remember a story when Soviet Lunar probe missed Moon because of floatin number used in math library. Small errors produces a big deviations on large scale. | 20:46 |
| rakhmerov | :)))) haha | 20:46 |
| harlowja | ya, i think NASA did the same thing with mars | 20:46 |
| harlowja | some metric conversion problem, lol | 20:46 |
| rakhmerov | and not once :))) | 20:46 |
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| harlowja | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/TaskflowHKIdeas | 20:47 |
| harlowja | so i tried to fill in more of that one | 20:47 |
| harlowja | *although currently the page isn't loading for me :-/ | 20:47 |
| harlowja | ah there we go | 20:47 |
| rakhmerov | I have seen that | 20:47 |
| harlowja | i'll likely have to slim it down | 20:47 |
| harlowja | as i start making slides and stuff for the speaker stuff | 20:48 |
| rakhmerov | good points, nothing actually to argue about | 20:48 |
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| harlowja | rakhmerov in openstack, always something to argue about :) | 20:48 |
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| harlowja | i bring my battle armor | 20:48 |
| gokrokve | harlowja: Do you have a presentation on HK summit? | 20:48 |
| rakhmerov | well, not in this case :) | 20:48 |
| rakhmerov | seriously | 20:48 |
| harlowja | gokrokve yup, not only presentation, complete speaker session | 20:48 |
| rakhmerov | good point to bring up on the summit | 20:48 |
| harlowja | where people ahve to listen to me and kebray talk | 20:48 |
| rakhmerov | *points | 20:48 |
| harlowja | #link http://openstacksummitnovember2013.sched.org/event/29f1f996b36aaf0febc5d43b6f53f2a4#.UmBNWSSoV-Q | 20:49 |
| gokrokve | Great. | 20:49 |
| harlowja | if u guys want to writeup some mistral stuff, i can try to include also | 20:49 |
| harlowja | since Convection is mentioned in that overview | 20:50 |
| harlowja | *aka mistral | 20:50 |
| changbl | seems mistral is quite similar to what taskflow does? | 20:50 |
| changbl | i read the blog from mirantis | 20:50 |
| rakhmerov | well, I think we have things to discuss in this context | 20:50 |
| gokrokve | harlowja: Sure. | 20:50 |
| harlowja | changbl ongoing discussions there, is mistral just a API/service using taskflow... | 20:50 |
| harlowja | idk quite yet either | 20:51 |
| changbl | got it | 20:51 |
| gokrokve | changbl: It is not a substitution of taskflow. it is a next layer around taskflow. | 20:51 |
| changbl | we need to figure out | 20:51 |
| harlowja | changbl of course | 20:51 |
| harlowja | working with gokrokve rakhmerov (and others) on that | 20:51 |
| harlowja | #openstack-mistral | 20:51 |
| rakhmerov | basically, yes, that's right. Mistral was targeting to implement ideas in Convection | 20:51 |
| rakhmerov | but | 20:51 |
| rakhmerov | We have so many ideas above that :))) | 20:51 |
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| harlowja | lots of ideas :-P | 20:52 |
| rakhmerov | right :) | 20:52 |
| harlowja | so rakhmerov gokrokve not only speaker session, but also summit sessions | 20:52 |
| rakhmerov | dont' be angry at me for this :)) | 20:52 |
| changbl | rakhmerov, you are here, you wrote the blog:) | 20:52 |
| harlowja | ha | 20:52 |
| kebray | can we have a combined meeting with Mistral folks prior to summit? We should figure out our similar and different views and at least know where we all stand prior to summit. | 20:52 |
| harlowja | kebray i think thats a reasonable ask, i'd be up for that | 20:52 |
| kebray | Anyone want to volunteer to pull that meeting together? Can be over IRC, or google hangout, or whatever. | 20:52 |
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| rakhmerov | yeah, that's exactly what we're trying to do | 20:53 |
| kebray | If not, I'll do it.. but, would prefer if someone else can drive it. | 20:53 |
| harlowja | also i have http://summit.openstack.org/ (search for taskflow) so those are 2 different type of meetins | 20:53 |
| harlowja | rakhmerov i think is workin on that | 20:53 |
| rakhmerov | we have so many great things to discuss, you won't believe :) | 20:53 |
| harlowja | a | 20:53 |
| harlowja | *ha | 20:53 |
| harlowja | *waiting for mind to be blown | 20:53 |
| kebray | rakhmerov cool.. good to have more people involved! | 20:53 |
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| ativelkov_ | yup, and it turns out that some of them require some beer to understand :-) | 20:54 |
| rakhmerov | np, we're interested in that very much | 20:54 |
| rakhmerov | :)) haha | 20:54 |
| harlowja | rakhmerov so maybe when we decide a time, openstack-dev list, then others can join | 20:54 |
| rakhmerov | recalling today's discussion, definitely | 20:54 |
| rakhmerov | yes, sure | 20:54 |
| harlowja | cool | 20:54 |
| gokrokve | #AI Renat to organize a hangout meeting | 20:55 |
| harlowja | #action Renat to organize a hangout meeting | 20:55 |
| harlowja | one of those will work, ha | 20:55 |
| harlowja | so i might skip a few of the agenda, for next time, not enough for time left | 20:56 |
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| harlowja | seeing that 4 minutes left :) | 20:56 |
| harlowja | #topic open-discuss | 20:56 |
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| gokrokve | #AI Gosha has to provide some text about Mistral for Josh | 20:56 |
| harlowja | thx, that'd be suepr | 20:56 |
| harlowja | *super | 20:56 |
| harlowja | caitlin56 u around, 3 minutes, or maybe we can continue in #openstack-state-management | 20:57 |
| harlowja | wanted to answer your question on the best practices i created | 20:57 |
| rakhmerov | guys, I just wanna deliver the main message here: looks like we dont' have a service like this in the whole ecosystem. We need to carefully think about the target user group, project mission and main conceptual ideas | 20:57 |
| harlowja | rakhmerov +1 | 20:57 |
| caitlin56 | Can start. The key thing that is missing is a definitionof what a "Flow" is. | 20:57 |
| harlowja | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/TaskFlow#Flows ? | 20:58 |
| rakhmerov | the further is more interesting ;) | 20:58 |
| caitlin56 | Specifically, if you launch two tasks of the same pattern, what happens. Who is responsible for keeping the work separate? | 20:58 |
| rakhmerov | yep, have seen that :) | 20:58 |
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| harlowja | caitlin56 so engines are what actually run the 'work' | 20:59 |
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| harlowja | lets continue in other channel i think | 20:59 |
| rakhmerov | not a question for now. We need to define first what we want users (who exactly?) can do with this service | 20:59 |
| caitlin56 | Do the engines name all resources that the tasks work with? If so, highlight that in the best practices. | 20:59 |
| rakhmerov | harlowja: agree | 20:59 |
| harlowja | k | 20:59 |
| harlowja | #endmeeting | 20:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Oct 17 20:59:59 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/state_management/2013/state_management.2013-10-17-20.00.html | 21:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/state_management/2013/state_management.2013-10-17-20.00.txt | 21:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/state_management/2013/state_management.2013-10-17-20.00.log.html | 21:00 |
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| harlowja | to the other channel then! | 21:00 |
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| russellb | nova meeting starting in a minute | 21:01 |
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| russellb | #startmeeting nova | 21:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Oct 17 21:02:00 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is russellb. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:02 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova' | 21:02 |
| russellb | hello, everyone! | 21:02 |
| mriedem | hi | 21:02 |
| cyeoh | hi! | 21:02 |
| Guest44600 | hi. | 21:02 |
| tjones | hi | 21:02 |
| alaski | hi | 21:02 |
| russellb | congratulations on the havana release! \o/ | 21:02 |
| dansmith | woo | 21:02 |
| dripton | yay | 21:02 |
| jog0 | !! | 21:02 |
| openstack | jog0: Error: "!" is not a valid command. | 21:02 |
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| russellb | i considered canceling today ... as dansmith put it, "today should be a day where the class watches a movie while the teacher sleeps off her hangover" | 21:02 |
| dansmith | heh | 21:03 |
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| russellb | i was amused | 21:03 |
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| tjones | lol | 21:03 |
| russellb | but we can catch up quickly :) | 21:03 |
| russellb | so things going on ... design summit! | 21:03 |
| russellb | session proposal deadline is today | 21:03 |
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| russellb | and starting tomorrow we will be deciding on the session list and making a schedule | 21:03 |
| russellb | hopefully will have the draft schedule completed by the end of next week | 21:03 |
| russellb | Icehouse blueprints - please file them :-) | 21:04 |
| russellb | to get them reviewed, the trigger is to target them to a release milestone (icehouse-1/2/3) | 21:04 |
| russellb | at some point (probably next month) we're going to go through and close most things untargeted as effectively abandoned | 21:05 |
| russellb | to clean up the list a bit | 21:05 |
| russellb | i'll post to the ML about that, as well | 21:05 |
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| tjones | russellb: other that adding the proposal - here http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/details/246 - is there anything else i need to do to to bring it to your attention for review tomorrow? | 21:05 |
| * russellb looks | 21:05 | |
| tjones | oops - wait | 21:05 |
| russellb | link isn't working | 21:06 |
| tjones | yeah - just a sec *blush* | 21:06 |
| russellb | http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/details/247 ? | 21:06 |
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| tjones | yes | 21:06 |
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| russellb | looks good | 21:07 |
| tjones | thanks | 21:07 |
| russellb | np | 21:07 |
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| russellb | any other blueprint questions? | 21:07 |
| russellb | err i meant summit | 21:07 |
| russellb | but summit or blueprint i guess | 21:07 |
| russellb | next thing ... we've been talking a lot about CI for each compute driver | 21:07 |
| russellb | congrats to the VMWare team for getting theirs up and running! | 21:07 |
| dansmith | yeah! | 21:08 |
| russellb | you will now start seeing "VMWare Mine Sweeper" vote on reviews | 21:08 |
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| jog0 | very exciting | 21:08 |
| russellb | tjones: really, totally thrilled to see the progress, setting a good example for others | 21:08 |
| tjones | adding +1 on success, nothing on failure while we triage. −1 once we are confident | 21:08 |
| russellb | even beyond just nova | 21:08 |
| russellb | so let us know how things continue to progress | 21:09 |
| tjones | will do | 21:09 |
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| russellb | and I think that's all the project status stuff I really had for this week | 21:09 |
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| russellb | anyone have any topics for today? | 21:09 |
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| jog0 | russellb: yeah | 21:10 |
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| mriedem | russellb: yeah, but jog0 go first | 21:10 |
| jog0 | we should make it clear what is required from a BP detail wise | 21:10 |
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| russellb | yeah, i'm not sure we have any documented guidelines for that ... | 21:11 |
| jog0 | yet | 21:11 |
| russellb | :) | 21:11 |
| jog0 | one thing is I think we should have the docImpact details in the blueprint | 21:11 |
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| russellb | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Blueprints | 21:11 |
| russellb | that's the page we should use | 21:12 |
| russellb | unless we want to start Nova/Blueprints for some nova specific guidelines | 21:12 |
| russellb | and then link over to this one for some general info | 21:12 |
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| russellb | but I do like the docimpact info on there | 21:12 |
| russellb | either on the blueprint itself, or the linked design wiki page | 21:12 |
| johnthetubaguy | +1 | 21:12 |
| jog0 | http://justwriteclick.com/2013/09/17/openstack-docimpact-flag-walk-through/ | 21:13 |
| jog0 | is what annegentle wants | 21:13 |
| russellb | ok great | 21:13 |
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| russellb | i think the other thing we need to do is encourage more design info and review up front | 21:13 |
| jog0 | ++ | 21:13 |
| russellb | and with some additional people helping review blueprints, it should be more practical to do that | 21:13 |
| jog0 | ++, thats all for me thanks | 21:14 |
| russellb | cool | 21:14 |
| russellb | some other things to think about ... prioritization | 21:14 |
| russellb | we need to be careful how much we approve at given priorities | 21:14 |
| russellb | because we only have so much review bandwidth | 21:14 |
| johnthetubaguy | +1 at least set expectations more clearly I guess? | 21:14 |
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| russellb | yeah, not sure how to best handle it yet | 21:15 |
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| johnthetubaguy | I liked the medium we track it and talk to people | 21:15 |
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| johnthetubaguy | low, best of luck if we have time? | 21:15 |
| russellb | another problematic case is when people sign up to deliver in icehouse-1, but deliver in icehouse-3 | 21:15 |
| russellb | and we end up with 80 blueprints in icehouse-3 | 21:15 |
| russellb | that basically happened in havana | 21:15 |
| russellb | and we're *still* catching flak for not merging everything in h3 | 21:15 |
| russellb | yes, that's the project-wide proposal for how to apply low vs higher now | 21:16 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, good point | 21:16 |
| russellb | but probably need to communicate that well | 21:16 |
| johnthetubaguy | I guess we should reject more features down to low, if they slip? | 21:16 |
| russellb | +1 | 21:16 |
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| jog0 | +1 | 21:16 |
| russellb | i like that a lot actually | 21:16 |
| russellb | you broke the social contract, so it's back to best effort if we can :) | 21:16 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, agree at the beginning all the medium and above | 21:16 |
| johnthetubaguy | then low for everything else from that point, if at all | 21:17 |
| leif | How does a group determine which window to put it in? | 21:17 |
| russellb | leif: whichever one you think you can have it completed and reviewed for | 21:17 |
| johnthetubaguy | when they thing they will get it done? | 21:17 |
| johnthetubaguy | think^ | 21:17 |
| russellb | it's on the developer(s) | 21:17 |
| dansmith | everything at medium to start? | 21:17 |
| tjones | is there any way to show how complex a BP is likely to be to implement ? If so, you can push for those to make i-1, i-2 or be dropped? | 21:17 |
| russellb | tjones: we can guess :) ... and hopefully the dev proposing it has an idea | 21:17 |
| jog0 | tjones: hopefully the BP description will say that | 21:18 |
| leif | So rules motivate getting a late slot. | 21:18 |
| tjones | ok - they should be in the BP desc. I didn't see a way to explicitly say | 21:18 |
| russellb | there's also a downside to getting a late slot | 21:18 |
| russellb | much less likely to accept complex/invasive things later | 21:18 |
| russellb | and you're also at much higher risk at competing with a higher review load on the backend | 21:18 |
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| russellb | so it's really in everyone's best interest to deliver as early as is practical | 21:19 |
| leif | okay. | 21:19 |
| jog0 | tjones: there is no specific spot for it, but the BP should cover that level of detail (how it will be implmented risk etc) | 21:19 |
| dansmith | so, wait, I got distracted for a sec.. | 21:19 |
| * russellb waits | 21:19 | |
| dansmith | is the proposal that everything starts at medium and can slip to low if need be? | 21:19 |
| dansmith | I thought johnthetubaguy said that, but I definitely don't think that's workable | 21:19 |
| russellb | i don't agree everything gets medium automatically | 21:20 |
| dansmith | okay | 21:20 |
| johnthetubaguy | I think everything we bother to track is medium | 21:20 |
| dansmith | right, okay | 21:20 |
| russellb | yeah, but still, a lot will be Low | 21:20 |
| johnthetubaguy | or higher | 21:20 |
| dansmith | gotcha | 21:20 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, things are low by default I think | 21:20 |
| russellb | lots of stuff is "nice to have" but we'd be OK if it didn't make it | 21:20 |
| dansmith | I would word that differently | 21:20 |
| russellb | ok | 21:20 |
| dansmith | not "everything we track is medium or above" because... we're tracking all that stuff in the tracker, even low stuff, | 21:20 |
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| dansmith | but rather "everything we expect to be mandatory reviews" or something like that | 21:21 |
| johnthetubaguy | I guess its important stuff, that got a slot first, that we thing we will have time to review | 21:21 |
| dansmith | I mean, we don't have to quibble over words, I was just worried something different was being proposes | 21:21 |
| russellb | so ... if it's mandatory reviews ... should we have core reviewers sign up on a blueprint before bumping it above low? | 21:21 |
| dansmith | er, proposed | 21:21 |
| russellb | should we confirm that we have people willing to "sponsor" it? | 21:21 |
| johnthetubaguy | hmm, that would help with the blueprint review, I quite like that | 21:21 |
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| dansmith | russellb: maybe, that's kinda scary given how many mediums there were | 21:22 |
| dansmith | but I can see that for high ones for sure | 21:22 |
| russellb | yes, it might mean we have more low | 21:22 |
| russellb | but maybe that's a better reflection of reality | 21:22 |
| russellb | vs me just making stuff up | 21:22 |
| johnthetubaguy | +1 | 21:22 |
| * mrodden assigns all mediums to dansmith by default. | 21:22 | |
| dansmith | sure, if that's going to make more things low, | 21:22 |
| dansmith | then I'm down with that :) | 21:22 |
| cyeoh | +1 | 21:22 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, more low things sets the expectation better I think | 21:22 |
| * dansmith -2's all mrodden's patches | 21:22 | |
| russellb | and is a way to control how much we actually think we can review | 21:23 |
| mrodden | that already happens | 21:23 |
| russellb | and *may* even help encourage some companies to put more devs on general work :) | 21:23 |
| dansmith | I think this is an excellent thing to shoot for, | 21:23 |
| russellb | if they have core folks, they can sign up on reviews, etc | 21:23 |
| jog0 | I like the idea of having cores assigned to BPs but I think more important is a review of the BP itself | 21:23 |
| dansmith | but lets make sure we have a back way out if we start actually reviewing blueprints and decide that it's not going to work to try to put someone's name on everything :) | 21:23 |
| russellb | heh, fair enough | 21:24 |
| dansmith | so maybe two cores for a medium and four for a high? | 21:24 |
| russellb | a nice goal perhaps ... | 21:24 |
| russellb | four huh? | 21:24 |
| mrodden | ideally, if core's had an incentive to sponsor a BP they would probably have more incentive to review the changes associated | 21:24 |
| russellb | bold | 21:24 |
| jog0 | I think a better BP review (make sure the propsal is good and the design is sound etc) will get us further | 21:24 |
| jog0 | for less effort | 21:24 |
| johnthetubaguy | well, has to pass review by cores to get a priority? | 21:25 |
| dansmith | russellb: four to spread out the liability of one person being jammed up and blocking obligatory review of the blueprint because they're half the folks committed | 21:25 |
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| russellb | could even be 1 for medium, 2 for high, and 3 for essential ... it'd be better than now | 21:25 |
| russellb | but i guess 1 doesn't necessarily guarantee it gets the review time | 21:25 |
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| jog0 | dansmith: lets try doing this for I-1 for high or above only and see how it goes | 21:25 |
| johnthetubaguy | I like having more than one on all of them, to review the review, etc | 21:25 |
| dansmith | johnthetubaguy: exactly | 21:26 |
| russellb | jog0: heck, might as well try for the mediums too | 21:26 |
| jog0 | before we commut fully | 21:26 |
| jog0 | russellb: sure | 21:26 |
| jog0 | concerned about bandwidth and flexibility | 21:26 |
| dansmith | jog0: well, I think we might as well commit to the whole thing for mediums and above for I1 and just not promise to keep it up until we decide we like it | 21:26 |
| russellb | i like that, put this out as an experimental process if icehouse-1 and see how it goes | 21:26 |
| dansmith | yeah | 21:26 |
| johnthetubaguy | +1 | 21:26 |
| russellb | awesome! i like this. | 21:27 |
| jog0 | works for me. we should have a BP review party at the summit | 21:27 |
| dansmith | I like this right now | 21:27 |
| * dansmith pulls a comstud | 21:27 | |
| comstud | lol | 21:27 |
| russellb | dansmith: but you reserve the right to hate it tomorrow? | 21:27 |
| dansmith | of course | 21:27 |
| * russellb nods | 21:27 | |
| dansmith | subject to change without warning | 21:27 |
| * johnthetubaguy giggles | 21:27 | |
| jog0 | where we divvy up the BPs | 21:27 |
| cyeoh | jog0: that sounds good and will encourage people to get BPs in before the summit | 21:28 |
| jog0 | cyeoh: yeah :( | 21:28 |
| dansmith | I don't think we can have them all filed by summit, many will be created during it | 21:28 |
| russellb | skip the drinking and have a nice geek blueprint review party? :-) | 21:28 |
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| russellb | many will be created during, and a *bunch*, maybe most, the week after as a result of dicussions and decisions | 21:28 |
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| jog0 | we could start with what we have | 21:28 |
| dansmith | we could | 21:28 |
| jog0 | or just go to the parties | 21:29 |
| russellb | i'm usually pretty fried at night, doubt it's that practical | 21:29 |
| russellb | i may be hiding in a room to be alone for a few minutes | 21:29 |
| russellb | speaking of summit and hanging out ... we should really all try to spend some time hanging out at the summit | 21:29 |
| russellb | team building! | 21:29 |
| johnthetubaguy1 | I would vote for doing something in this meeting the following week? deice what you fancy | 21:29 |
| russellb | johnthetubaguy1: yeah, that's fine, but we can dabble a bit in the meantime | 21:30 |
| johnthetubaguy1 | +1 | 21:30 |
| russellb | there's not many proposed yet | 21:30 |
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| russellb | ok, so, lots of improvements for issues we've had wrapped up in this discussion, really great stuff | 21:31 |
| russellb | thanks guys | 21:31 |
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| russellb | mriedem: you had a topic? | 21:31 |
| mriedem | russellb: just a call for a core review on a patch, | 21:31 |
| mriedem | russellb: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/46718/ | 21:31 |
| mriedem | that was falling to the bottom of the review pile i think in one of the stats pages | 21:31 |
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| mriedem | cyeoh looked at it last night | 21:31 |
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| mriedem | the author has been kind of asking intermittently but his timezone doesn't help much (china) | 21:32 |
| russellb | yeah, pretty old it seems | 21:32 |
| mriedem | i told him i'd ask here | 21:32 |
| dansmith | mriedem: tell him to move | 21:32 |
| russellb | nice of you :) | 21:32 |
| mriedem | anyway, that's it fro mme | 21:32 |
| mriedem | and i got mock working! woohoo | 21:33 |
| russellb | heh | 21:33 |
| mriedem | you can all enjoy reviewing that soon | 21:33 |
| russellb | do you have a sponsor for that patch? :-p | 21:33 |
| mriedem | my mock one? | 21:33 |
| russellb | just a joke and reference to the last discussion | 21:33 |
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| mriedem | oh, missed most of it getting these damn tests to run | 21:33 |
| russellb | which was actually only in reference to blueprints, not individual patches | 21:34 |
| mriedem | yeah | 21:34 |
| russellb | any other topics today? | 21:34 |
| mriedem | all i heard was it's ok to dump blueprints in I3 | 21:34 |
| mriedem | :) | 21:34 |
| tjones | LOL | 21:34 |
| johnthetubaguy | did we chat about summit sessions already? | 21:34 |
| cyeoh | mriedem: and assign then to dansmith | 21:34 |
| dansmith | heh | 21:34 |
| russellb | johnthetubaguy: not in much detail, just mentioning that today was the deadline | 21:34 |
| russellb | johnthetubaguy: did you get my message about meeting tomorrow to start the review? | 21:34 |
| johnthetubaguy | russellb: cool, ah, not yet, been out this evening | 21:35 |
| russellb | just checked and we have **19** more proposals than time slots (31) | 21:35 |
| russellb | johnthetubaguy: hm, was a couple days ago | 21:35 |
| russellb | johnthetubaguy: will msg | 21:35 |
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| russellb | johnthetubaguy: any you want to discuss now? | 21:36 |
| russellb | any other topics from anyone? | 21:38 |
| mrodden | was there any more news on the midyear meetup? | 21:39 |
| russellb | oh, good question | 21:39 |
| russellb | ... no | 21:39 |
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| russellb | and that's my fault, basically | 21:39 |
| comstud | dang right it is | 21:39 |
| comstud | that's something I can commit to | 21:40 |
| cyeoh | we're having a post linux.conf.au (Jan) meetup for those who will be around | 21:40 |
| comstud | the statement, not the meeting | 21:40 |
| russellb | cyeoh: nice | 21:40 |
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| russellb | comstud: i can also commit to talking bad about at summit while you're not there to defend yourself | 21:40 |
| comstud | :) | 21:41 |
| comstud | i'm sure you wouldn't be the first | 21:41 |
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| russellb | mrodden: so, i need to follow up on that, will work on it | 21:42 |
| russellb | thanks for coming everyone! | 21:42 |
| mrodden | russellb: k thanks | 21:42 |
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| russellb | #endmeeting | 21:43 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Oct 17 21:43:32 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:43 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2013/nova.2013-10-17-21.02.html | 21:43 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2013/nova.2013-10-17-21.02.txt | 21:43 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2013/nova.2013-10-17-21.02.log.html | 21:43 |
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