| fifieldt | hi, yes | 00:00 |
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| fifieldt | hi | 00:00 |
| fifieldt | :) | 00:00 |
| sarob | fifieldt whatchu think about our discussion above? | 00:00 |
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| fifieldt | it's a good idea, needs careful phrasing | 00:00 |
| fifieldt | lecturers can be a bit tetchy about sharing content | 00:01 |
| fifieldt | but if you come to them with something they can use | 00:01 |
| fifieldt | they'll love it | 00:01 |
| sarob | fifieldt roger that | 00:01 |
| reed | anything else to discuss? | 00:02 |
| fifieldt | so it's good to do sooner rather than later | 00:02 |
| fifieldt | while noone has gone to the effort of making slides | 00:02 |
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| fifieldt | not so much | 00:03 |
| sarob | fifieldt reed a slide generation and archival tool for training guides is in the near future | 00:03 |
| fifieldt | :) | 00:03 |
| reed | neat :) | 00:03 |
| sarob | for trainers/prof | 00:03 |
| fifieldt | we could chat about the travel support software, reed | 00:03 |
| sarob | im chatted out, so next topic | 00:03 |
| fifieldt | well, so just to give sarob an update | 00:04 |
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| fifieldt | SUSE has some software for running their travel support program | 00:04 |
| fifieldt | reed discovered it :) | 00:04 |
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| reed | #topic travel support software | 00:04 |
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| fifieldt | and we were thinking to see if we could use it for the summit travel | 00:04 |
| sarob | interesting | 00:04 |
| fifieldt | and/or the ambassador funding program | 00:04 |
| sarob | cool | 00:04 |
| fifieldt | unfortunately, it seems like it's not directly usable - we'd need to do some mods | 00:05 |
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| fifieldt | and given it's in ruby, and fairly basic to begin with, DIYing one in something more maintainable for our community (python/django) is an option as well | 00:05 |
| sarob | cool | 00:06 |
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| fifieldt | the idea of a tool is to provide process/tracking through the applications | 00:06 |
| fifieldt | and also some reporting | 00:06 |
| fifieldt | in order to replace that google spreadsheet we used for summit travel | 00:06 |
| fifieldt | and also the eventual voting process that turned out | 00:06 |
| reed | we need to have forms to enter data and a workflow to keep things in order... eventually also for reporting | 00:07 |
| fifieldt | aye | 00:07 |
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| fifieldt | and ideally, something that integrates with the magical SSO system reed is building | 00:07 |
| sarob | magic, aye | 00:07 |
| reed | after the voting process there are notifications to be sent, final acceptance by the candidates, and the whole shebang dealing with the fine details of who goes from where and when | 00:08 |
| fifieldt | such as travel agents | 00:08 |
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| sarob | getting unversities more invovled probably will make this tool even more important | 00:09 |
| reed | I was looking at a workflow engine in django, seems quite powerful but I'd rather not code :) | 00:09 |
| fifieldt | :D | 00:09 |
| reed | sarob, yeah, and for Ambassadors too :) | 00:09 |
| sarob | yup | 00:09 |
| sarob | i have to take my boy to a bb game | 00:09 |
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| fifieldt | sounds fun | 00:10 |
| sarob | gotta bail on you two | 00:10 |
| fifieldt | enjoy | 00:10 |
| sarob | good progress all around | 00:10 |
| sarob | talk soon | 00:10 |
| reed | bye sarob | 00:10 |
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| reed | we may want to close the meeting too | 00:11 |
| fifieldt | sure | 00:11 |
| reed | #endmeeting | 00:11 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Dec 5 00:11:29 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 00:11 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_community/2013/openstack_community.2013-12-04-23.06.html | 00:11 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_community/2013/openstack_community.2013-12-04-23.06.txt | 00:11 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_community/2013/openstack_community.2013-12-04-23.06.log.html | 00:11 |
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| Daisy | Hello | 06:59 |
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| Daisy | I think it's time for I18n meeting. Anybody will join ? | 07:00 |
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| chandankumar | Daisy, Hello | 07:01 |
| ujuc | Hi, Daisy | 07:01 |
| ujuc | ::) | 07:01 |
| epico | Hi, Daisy | 07:01 |
| chandankumar | ujuc, epico Hello | 07:01 |
| epico | chandankumar, hi | 07:01 |
| Daisy | #startmeeting OpenStack I18n Meeting | 07:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Dec 5 07:01:53 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is Daisy. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 07:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 07:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_i18n_meeting' | 07:01 |
| Daisy | Hello, everybody | 07:02 |
| ujuc | Hello :) | 07:02 |
| Daisy | We have chandankumar, ujuc, epico. | 07:02 |
| Daisy | Welcome | 07:02 |
| epico | Hello | 07:02 |
| Daisy | Welcome, epico. | 07:02 |
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| Daisy | I guess we have smaller and smaller people who join the meeting. | 07:03 |
| epico | :) | 07:03 |
| jpich | Hey, Daisy :) | 07:03 |
| chandankumar | yes | 07:03 |
| Daisy | Hi, jpich! Welcome. | 07:03 |
| chandankumar | jpich, Hello | 07:03 |
| Daisy | Let | 07:03 |
| Daisy | Let's start. | 07:03 |
| Daisy | #topic Horizon translation update | 07:03 |
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| Daisy | I got confirmation of Polish translation team that they updated horizon translation. | 07:04 |
| amotoki | hi | 07:04 |
| Daisy | Any other team who update Horizon translations? | 07:04 |
| Daisy | Hi, amotoki. | 07:04 |
| jpich | Hi, amotoki! I was hoping you were around :) | 07:04 |
| chandankumar | Daisy, right now , but will be update soon for hindi :) | 07:04 |
| Daisy | chandankumar, I think Horizon dev team will do the translation merge most recently. | 07:05 |
| Daisy | amotoki and jpich, when are you going to submit a patch to update translation? | 07:05 |
| amotoki | There are some srting changes in horizon stable/havana and I pushed the lastest POT files to Transifex. | 07:05 |
| Daisy | are there any strings remaining not translated? | 07:06 |
| jpich | The temporary stable branch was cut yesterday - the stable release will be tomorrow morning | 07:06 |
| jpich | Sorry - ignore the first part, I meant the stable branch will be frozen tomorrow | 07:06 |
| Daisy | amotoki, I noticed several langauges changed to be 99% | 07:06 |
| amotoki | jpich: what is "temporary stable branch"? | 07:06 |
| jpich | so that's our deadline to propose a patch | 07:06 |
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| jpich | amotoki: I'm sorry, I got confused with icehouse-1 for a minute, ignore this comment | 07:06 |
| amotoki | there are a few proposed patches with string updates to stable/havana. | 07:07 |
| jpich | There is only stable/havana and it will be frozen... today actually | 07:07 |
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| amotoki | i am not sure it will be merged or not for 2013.2.1. | 07:07 |
| Daisy | amotoki, how many times left for translation team to complete those translations? I know there may be a very small update. But the translation team needs to be notified. | 07:07 |
| * jpich just woke up, brain still a bit slow | 07:07 | |
| Daisy | sorry, amotoki. How many time left for translation team to complete translation? | 07:08 |
| Daisy | it's ok, jpich. | 07:08 |
| jpich | amotoki: Thanks for pushing the latest string changes to Transifex | 07:08 |
| amotoki | it depends on you all :-) | 07:08 |
| Daisy | Please check when you are going to raise a patch. | 07:08 |
| Daisy | When you are going to submit a new patch | 07:08 |
| amotoki | regarding translation upadte patch, i can write mail to feature freeze exception to allow translators to have time to work on it. | 07:08 |
| jpich | amotoki: I think we will have to | 07:09 |
| Daisy | Thank you, amotoki. | 07:09 |
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| Daisy | #action amotoki will write a mail to i18n list and inform the pot file updated | 07:09 |
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| amotoki | Daisy: sure | 07:10 |
| Daisy | please write the deadline in the mail too. | 07:10 |
| Daisy | I think it won't cost a long time for translators to work on the update. But I don't know how many teams can response on time. | 07:10 |
| Daisy | Let's see, amotoki. I will try to push them to complete the translation on time. | 07:10 |
| amotoki | first I need to discuss it with stable team. I will write a mail to stable-maint list. | 07:11 |
| Daisy | ok. | 07:11 |
| Daisy | So we don't need to ask for teams confirmation about their update. Because pot file is updated, so the patch should include all langauges. | 07:11 |
| Daisy | amotoki and jpich: any questions or concerns about Horizon translation? | 07:12 |
| DeeJay1 | when I checked yesterday there were 3 new strings for translators to update (I'm late so updating the info from before) | 07:12 |
| amotoki | fyi there are three patches under review with string update: | 07:12 |
| amotoki | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/58139/ | 07:12 |
| amotoki | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/58103/ | 07:12 |
| amotoki | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/59916/ | 07:12 |
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| amotoki | (The last one is less important.) | 07:13 |
| Daisy | They are not merged yet. | 07:13 |
| amotoki | yes. *under review* | 07:14 |
| Daisy | got it. I guess, we will wait for these patch merged and then amotoki will send a mail and notify translators, right? | 07:14 |
| amotoki | I am not sure they wil be mergd or not, but if merged we need to have time to catch up. | 07:15 |
| Daisy | ok. | 07:15 |
| amotoki | The process and timing related to translation and stable backports are difficult to handle. | 07:15 |
| Daisy | anything to discuss for Horizon translation? | 07:15 |
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| chandankumar | Daisy, how much time is left to submit horizon translations? | 07:16 |
| amotoki | we need to look for better way to handle it in the future. | 07:16 |
| jpich | chandankumar: We're not sure yet, but not a lot of time. amotoki will send an email to the i18n list when we know the date | 07:16 |
| Daisy | Yes, amotoki. That need to be investigate. There is a very short discussion in summit in the release plan meeting. | 07:17 |
| amotoki | in my plan, if feature freeze exception is accepted, i will propose a patch on Sunday or around. | 07:17 |
| amotoki | if not accepted, I will propose a patch as-is. | 07:17 |
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| Daisy | I think we can find a way to notify translators automatically when PoT is updated. | 07:17 |
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| amotoki | transifex notifies it when POT files are updated. | 07:18 |
| amotoki | i usually receive notifications. | 07:18 |
| Daisy | I don't get the notification. | 07:18 |
| Daisy | Is it a setting in Transifex? | 07:18 |
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| amotoki | yes. traisifex settings. | 07:18 |
| Daisy | ok. Thanks for the information. | 07:18 |
| amotoki | if you "watch" a project, notification will be sent if the project has some update. | 07:18 |
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| amotoki | let's move on the next topic. | 07:19 |
| Daisy | I will figure it out after the meeting. | 07:19 |
| Daisy | ok. | 07:19 |
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| Daisy | #topic Document translation plan | 07:19 |
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| Daisy | I think we can work on document translations while Icehouse is still developing. | 07:20 |
| Daisy | I hope fifield can be there. He knew the doc development plan very clear. | 07:20 |
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| Daisy | amotoki: which document are your team working on now? | 07:20 |
| Daisy | I heard that operation guide will be upgrade too. | 07:21 |
| amotoki | security-guide is being translated now. | 07:21 |
| Daisy | chandankumar, ujuc, and DeeJay1 | 07:22 |
| ujuc | ? | 07:22 |
| amotoki | I am catching up with the update of ops-guide, but there is a few progress :-( | 07:22 |
| Daisy | I'd like to understand if we plan to translate operation guide, will your team start to work on the translation? | 07:23 |
| Daisy | I mean, do you want me to make a specific plan for document translation and a deadline too? | 07:23 |
| DeeJay1 | ok, if the plan is to translate the ops guide I can do that | 07:23 |
| Daisy | or do you want to manage the schedule yourself. | 07:23 |
| Daisy | ? | 07:23 |
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| ujuc | um... | 07:23 |
| Daisy | thank you, DeeJay1. | 07:24 |
| chandankumar | Daisy, not started | 07:24 |
| Daisy | if there is a plan to translate ops guide, will you follow it, chandankumar? | 07:24 |
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| chandankumar | Daisy, yes i can follow | 07:24 |
| ujuc | training-guides translated now ... me... :) | 07:24 |
| Daisy | I think Chinese team can work on the ops guide translation too. | 07:25 |
| Daisy | ok. Thank you, ujuc. | 07:25 |
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| Daisy | Are you translating in Transifex, ujuc? | 07:25 |
| ujuc | yes :) | 07:25 |
| Daisy | ok. | 07:25 |
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| DeeJay1 | BTW is anyone working on a live page with WIP translated docs? | 07:26 |
| Daisy | Then I will make a plan for ops-guide translation, but each translation team can decide whether they will follow. | 07:26 |
| Daisy | What is WIP? DeeJay1? | 07:26 |
| DeeJay1 | work in progress, sorry for the shortcut | 07:26 |
| Daisy | ujuc, are you working on training translation yourself? or you have a team to work on it? | 07:26 |
| DeeJay1 | eg a site with the docs updated daily/hourly from transifex | 07:27 |
| ujuc | myself :) | 07:27 |
| Daisy | DeeJay1, I'm thinking that each translation team have a wiki page to introduce the work they are working on. | 07:27 |
| amotoki | when reviewing, transifex is hard to check translations across paragraphs. | 07:28 |
| Daisy | There is no overall WIP page. | 07:28 |
| amotoki | it is better we have converted page (HTML or PDF) to check translatiosn. | 07:28 |
| amotoki | i think what DeeJay1 is talking. right? | 07:28 |
| DeeJay1 | amotoki: right | 07:28 |
| Daisy | I know that, amotoki. | 07:28 |
| Daisy | ok. I misunderstand. | 07:29 |
| DeeJay1 | ok, so nobody's working on that, I'll take a look into it, when I checked two weeks ago, the process was pretty convoluted though | 07:29 |
| amotoki | when translting ops-guide in ja, I and katotomo volunteered to convert it and it was hosted on github pages. | 07:29 |
| Daisy | DeeJay1, didn't you raise your hand to work on it? | 07:29 |
| amotoki | i heard docs team has a staging server. it may help us. | 07:29 |
| Daisy | Yes, staging server. | 07:30 |
| Daisy | I think somebody registered to work on the staging server in the mail list. | 07:30 |
| DeeJay1 | I did, but had to stop due to being sick for the last 3 weeks | 07:30 |
| amotoki | in addition, we need to use Ubuntu 12.04 to convert transltiaon docs. | 07:30 |
| DeeJay1 | I get back to it though | 07:30 |
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| amotoki | On Ubuntu 13.04 , some sentences are not translated. | 07:31 |
| Daisy | oh, I'm sorry to hear it, DeeJay1. | 07:31 |
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| amotoki | perhaps it was a bug of i18n doc tool, but we dont have a fix yet. | 07:31 |
| Daisy | #action Daisy to make a plan for ops guide translation and call for team to work on it. | 07:32 |
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| Daisy | #action DeeJay1 to take a look at the staging server usage in document reviewing | 07:33 |
| Daisy | amotoki, which document? | 07:33 |
| Daisy | "On Ubuntu 13.04 , some sentences are not translated." | 07:33 |
| Daisy | Can you explain more, amotoki? | 07:33 |
| amotoki | Daisy: let me check. | 07:33 |
| Daisy | If it's a bug, please report it in i18n bug tracking page, in the launchpad. | 07:34 |
| Daisy | ok. Then we move to next topic. | 07:34 |
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| Daisy | #topic Wiki page review | 07:35 |
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| Daisy | I plan to have each translation team to make a wiki page to introduce themselves in the wiki. | 07:35 |
| Daisy | Like: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/I18nTeam/zh_cn | 07:36 |
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| Daisy | Many times, I got mail from people asking how to start translation contribution. | 07:36 |
| Daisy | So I think, we need to have pages to clearly list translation team and their contact information, their focus work items and how to join them. | 07:37 |
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| Daisy | ujuc, with such page, maybe you can get more people to help you on the training guide translation. | 07:37 |
| ujuc | :) | 07:38 |
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| Daisy | amotoki, I know ja team have your own website. I think you can put simple information there, and have a link here to link to ja translation website. | 07:39 |
| Daisy | so we will have unique entrance for people who want to join the translation teams. | 07:40 |
| amotoki | i am back now. | 07:40 |
| Daisy | agree? | 07:40 |
| DeeJay1 | agreed | 07:41 |
| amotoki | sounds good. | 07:41 |
| ujuc | +1 :) | 07:41 |
| Daisy | thank you, DeeJay1. | 07:41 |
| Daisy | ok. pass. | 07:41 |
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| Daisy | # Daisy to send a mail to I18n and ask translation team to create their own wiki page. | 07:42 |
| Daisy | #action Daisy to send a mail to I18n and ask translation team to create their own wiki page. | 07:42 |
| Daisy | #topic Open discussion | 07:42 |
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| Daisy | Anything else to discuss today? | 07:42 |
| Daisy | all | 07:43 |
| Daisy | How do you think the IRC meeting help? | 07:43 |
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| Daisy | Is it helpful to host bi-weekly meeting? I know some team join monthly because of the time differences. | 07:44 |
| ujuc | write wiki page .. first line add [[Category:I18n]] :) | 07:44 |
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| Daisy | thanks, ujuc. | 07:44 |
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| DeeJay1 | Daisy: IMHO it is, although it is my first meeting I usually read through the logs | 07:44 |
| Daisy | Thank you, DeeJay1. | 07:44 |
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| Daisy | I don't want to make you feel that the meeting is a waste of time. :) | 07:44 |
| Daisy | I know there are many things we can discuss in the mail list. | 07:45 |
| epico | yes, the meeting is helpful. :) | 07:45 |
| Daisy | ok. If you have some thoughts about how to host meeting more efficiently, contact with me. | 07:45 |
| DeeJay1 | maybe we could do a wiki page with possible topics for the next meeting so everyone can prepare? | 07:46 |
| jpich | Daisy: Personally I think it's good to keep some momentum (I can attend only once a month, but I also read the logs for the other one) | 07:46 |
| Daisy | Yes, I agree, jpich. | 07:46 |
| Daisy | People who attend the meeting are all very active contributors. :) | 07:46 |
| jpich | DeeJay1: There is an agenda up at https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/I18nTeamMeeting usually, does that help? | 07:47 |
| * jpich suddenly notices the agenda is for the last meeting | 07:47 | |
| Daisy | Yes, only the last meeting. | 07:47 |
| DeeJay1 | ah, I forgot about that page, sorry | 07:47 |
| Daisy | I plan to make I18n team to be an official openstack program. | 07:48 |
| Daisy | it's a secret and only a few people know. | 07:48 |
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| jpich | Woohoo :) | 07:49 |
| DeeJay1 | well, after you put it in the logs it isn't ;) | 07:49 |
| Daisy | I want to make it an official program, then there will be more people actively to join it. | 07:49 |
| chandankumar | Daisy, i also know the secret :) | 07:49 |
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| Daisy | And our active contributors can get more recognization. | 07:49 |
| Daisy | we can have core members too. | 07:50 |
| amotoki | Another merit for the official program is that it makes it easier to coordinate and arrage the schedule of translations for release and update. | 07:50 |
| epico | amotoki, great | 07:50 |
| Daisy | Exactly, amotoki. | 07:50 |
| ujuc | lol | 07:51 |
| DeeJay1 | what I'd really like is to have a gerrit hook looking for all gettext calls, and especially in stable branches requiring an ACK from the i18n team | 07:51 |
| Daisy | so I hope to get your support. :) | 07:51 |
| Daisy | I'm with you, DeeJay1. | 07:51 |
| Daisy | That's my thought too. | 07:51 |
| Daisy | I want to category all strings in openstack. | 07:52 |
| jpich | We were talking about a TranslationImpact commit tag at the summit - it would notify the i18n during the RC period and possibly also for stable updates, if we can make it work there as well | 07:52 |
| Daisy | can we make a blueprint for that? | 07:52 |
| Daisy | I think there is a doc impact now. | 07:53 |
| jpich | Yes it would be similar | 07:53 |
| Daisy | Maybe the translation impact is a similar one. | 07:54 |
| Daisy | Yes. | 07:54 |
| jpich | I'll investigate the next steps | 07:54 |
| Daisy | Thanks, jpich. | 07:54 |
| Daisy | ok. If nothing to talk, we can close the meeting. | 07:54 |
| ujuc | :) Ok | 07:54 |
| Daisy | I really love to talk with you. There are so many "sparkles" during our talk. | 07:55 |
| Daisy | #endmeeting | 07:55 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Dec 5 07:55:23 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 07:55 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_i18n_meeting/2013/openstack_i18n_meeting.2013-12-05-07.01.html | 07:55 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_i18n_meeting/2013/openstack_i18n_meeting.2013-12-05-07.01.txt | 07:55 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_i18n_meeting/2013/openstack_i18n_meeting.2013-12-05-07.01.log.html | 07:55 |
| chandankumar | Daisy, Thank you for the meeting :) | 07:55 |
| jpich | Thanks Daisy :) | 07:55 |
| Daisy | Thank you for attending. | 07:55 |
| epico | Thanks | 07:56 |
| amotoki | thanks everyone. | 07:56 |
| DeeJay1 | thanks all, now it's back to work for me before the boss finds out :P | 07:56 |
| ujuc | Thanks :) | 07:56 |
| ujuc | all | 07:56 |
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| ujuc | :) | 07:56 |
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| enikanorov_ | neutron lbaas subteam meeting in 2 minutes | 13:58 |
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| enikanorov_ | #startmeeting neutron lbaas subteam meeting | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Dec 5 14:00:26 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is enikanorov_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_lbaas_subteam_meeting' | 14:00 |
| enikanorov_ | lbaas folks around? | 14:01 |
| Vijay_ | Hi Eugene | 14:01 |
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| enikanorov_ | hi Vijay_ | 14:01 |
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| obondarev | Hi | 14:02 |
| enikanorov_ | as long as we only have you at the meeting we could discuss ssl if you like | 14:02 |
| Vijay_ | sure! we could wait probably a minute more? | 14:03 |
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| enikanorov_ | yeah | 14:04 |
| enikanorov_ | here we go | 14:04 |
| enikanorov_ | hi folks | 14:04 |
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| obondarev | maybe move to the first topic? | 14:09 |
| enikanorov_ | #topic announcements | 14:10 |
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| obondarev | not so many announcements this week I guess) | 14:11 |
| enikanorov_ | so we're past I-1, and have 4 more weeks of I-2 | 14:12 |
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| enikanorov_ | main goal for I-2 would be for vendors to setup their third-party testing environments | 14:12 |
| enikanorov_ | and for us to provide some scenario tests | 14:12 |
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| Vijay_ | should it necessarily run the tempest tests? | 14:12 |
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| enikanorov_ | we have already published one basic scenario on review and recently I sent an email to openstack-dev asking about vip wiring | 14:12 |
| enikanorov_ | which goes dont to the automating creation of ull loadbalancer configuration | 14:12 |
| enikanorov_ | Vijay_: tempest smoke tests | 14:12 |
| enikanorov_ | ull=all | 14:12 |
| Vijay_ | I done see any lbass tests in https://github.com/openstack/tempest | 14:12 |
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| enikanorov_ | so far it appears that all solutions posted on review or implemented, support haproxy-like workflow | 14:12 |
| enikanorov_ | Vijay_: there are some API tests | 14:12 |
| enikanorov_ | Vijay_: but we're working on scenario tests | 14:12 |
| enikanorov_ | they're not yet committed, but are on review | 14:12 |
| Vijay_ | ok got it , thanks | 14:12 |
| enikanorov_ | so the basic scenario test will execute the workflow where vip is created on the same subnet as pool's | 14:12 |
| enikanorov_ | and then floating ip will be associated | 14:12 |
| enikanorov_ | I expect this scenario is supported by all vendor solutions | 14:12 |
| enikanorov_ | any questions/suggestions on the testing? | 14:12 |
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| enikanorov_ | ok | 14:12 |
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| avishayb | hi (sorry I am late) | 14:12 |
| sgran | hi, sorry I'm so late | 14:13 |
| enikanorov_ | #topic progress with features | 14:13 |
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| enikanorov_ | hi folks | 14:13 |
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| enikanorov_ | so, in I-2 neutron team will continue to focus on stability and bug fixing | 14:13 |
| enikanorov_ | meanwhile we could develop our features and review them among ourselves | 14:13 |
| enikanorov_ | so i'll start with myself | 14:14 |
| enikanorov_ | i've published the very raw version of 'loadbalancer instance' on review | 14:15 |
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| enikanorov_ | there are several importeam items yet to be done about that patch | 14:15 |
| enikanorov_ | plus CLI and horizon | 14:15 |
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| Vijay_ | Can you give the link/review number? | 14:15 |
| enikanorov_ | feel free to comment but not that I'll appreciate design-level comments at the moment since the code is obviously not polished yet :) | 14:16 |
| enikanorov_ | !link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/60207/ | 14:16 |
| openstack | enikanorov_: Error: "link" is not a valid command. | 14:16 |
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| enikanorov_ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/60207/ | 14:16 |
| enikanorov_ | I'd like to see major features to have their initial implementations published during I-2 | 14:17 |
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| enikanorov_ | just to familiarize some of core reviewers with the code | 14:18 |
| Vijay_ | Can we switch to SSL | 14:18 |
| sgran | just looking over the review now | 14:18 |
| sgran | sorry, one moment before we do | 14:18 |
| sgran | I just want to clarify: loadbalancer instance means, running an openstack instance that provides a loadbalancer backend? | 14:19 |
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| sgran | or just creating the object, api and persistence models to encapsulate the idea of a loadbalancer | 14:20 |
| sgran | ? | 14:20 |
| sgran | It looks like the latter | 14:20 |
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| Vijay_ | loadbalancer instance is a new entity/resource which is a wrapper around vip & pool | 14:20 |
| enikanorov_ | the second one | 14:20 |
| enikanorov_ | correct | 14:20 |
| sgran | yes, ok, good | 14:20 |
| sgran | just so I understand :) | 14:20 |
| sgran | carry on - SSL when you're ready :) | 14:20 |
| enikanorov_ | ok, lets move to SSL feature | 14:20 |
| iwamoto | "instance" is a openstack term for a VM. so it might be confusing | 14:21 |
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| Vijay_ | SSL, looks to have achieved some consensus to introduce certificate as a separte instance | 14:21 |
| sgran | yes, that was my confusion. I'm also running loadbalancers inside openstack instances, so it's doubly confusing :) | 14:21 |
| Vijay_ | *instance == resource | 14:21 |
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| enikanorov_ | iwamoto: it is general-purpose word, not patented for 'VM', so it's ok, anyway the entity itself called 'loadbalancer' | 14:22 |
| sgran | Vijay_: nod, it seems that making it a top level resource is probably a good idea | 14:22 |
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| enikanorov_ | iwamoto: so 'instance' actually appears in commit message and comments only. | 14:23 |
| sgran | my only question at this point would be if we want to start off with a provider attribute that can either be something like 'local' for certs just stored in the DB or 'barbican' or 'active directory' or whatever ? | 14:23 |
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| sgran | I don't know how forward thinking to be on that one | 14:23 |
| Vijay_ | Yes that can be introduced. | 14:23 |
| iwamoto | I felt, in openstack context, "instance" generally refers to a vm | 14:23 |
| sgran | sort of how the loadbalancer provider is modeled | 14:23 |
| yamahata_ | is "container" instead of instance used at the summit? | 14:23 |
| enikanorov_ | supporting 'providers' might be too complex for the first step to take | 14:23 |
| Vijay_ | having that as a default value is fine | 14:23 |
| enikanorov_ | yamahata_: it doesn't matter, the resource is named 'loadbalancer' | 14:24 |
| Vijay_ | Provider is more involved work | 14:24 |
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| sgran | Vijay_: yeah, I don't think we want to do the work for a provider now | 14:25 |
| samuelbercovici | I think that after having the "loadbalancer" as an entitry we can look on how to move charachteristics such as provider, networkis, insertion model to it | 14:25 |
| enikanorov_ | so I suggest the basic db-persistence will be implemented first | 14:25 |
| sgran | I was just wondering if we wanted to leave space in the API for it | 14:25 |
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| * sgran nods enikanorov_ | 14:25 | |
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| Vijay_ | for now then as everyone agrees, we will have certificate as a separate resource with certificate parameters stored in db | 14:26 |
| samuelbercovici | I am also gathering feedback from custumers on this. | 14:26 |
| iwamoto | Loadbalancer resource would need some more attributes. for example an ID to distinguish vendor specific LB resource | 14:26 |
| samuelbercovici | I mean on persisting SSL in DB | 14:27 |
| enikanorov_ | iwamoto: lets discuss it at the end of the meeting. also feel free to add this as a comment on the review | 14:27 |
| Vijay_ | that will help Sam | 14:27 |
| iwamoto | enikanorov_: i see | 14:27 |
| samuelbercovici | overall, I think that eugene, proposal to have the certificate API as an extension/mixin | 14:27 |
| samuelbercovici | might assist in introducing the basic capability with DB persiatnce | 14:27 |
| samuelbercovici | and then if another "trust" sture exists, allow other backend implementation | 14:28 |
| enikanorov_ | exactly | 14:28 |
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| Vijay_ | agreed! | 14:28 |
| samuelbercovici | my only concern is still that with the corrent implementation in the DB, the solution will not be acceptable | 14:29 |
| samuelbercovici | and will not be adopted | 14:29 |
| enikanorov_ | what do you mean? | 14:29 |
| samuelbercovici | I am waiting for two custumers to come back to me on this so I can form an oppinion | 14:29 |
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| samuelbercovici | enikanorov_: I mean that a "real" custumer will not be willing to use this if the certificates are stoerd in the DB | 14:30 |
| enikanorov_ | i see | 14:30 |
| sgran | the aws api is rather basic for certs | 14:30 |
| samuelbercovici | up until now, we only got response on ML from the gurdian. I hoped that we will get more "custumer" feedback. | 14:31 |
| sgran | http://docs.aws.amazon.com/IAM/latest/APIReference/API_UploadServerCertificate.html | 14:31 |
| sgran | http://docs.aws.amazon.com/ElasticLoadBalancing/latest/APIReference/API_SetLoadBalancerListenerSSLCertificate.html | 14:31 |
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| samuelbercovici | as I said, I am also checking with out custumers to see if this is ok. | 14:31 |
| iwamoto | could API be designed to allow both? to store certs in DB or to request user to re-supply certs when LBs fail | 14:31 |
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| enikanorov_ | iwamoto: it may make sense to allow this | 14:31 |
| enikanorov_ | may be have some flag or something | 14:32 |
| samuelbercovici | sgran: I am aware on this. as far as I remember AWS stored this inofrmation in some "secure" store | 14:32 |
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| sgran | sure | 14:32 |
| sgran | I'm only talking about the API now | 14:32 |
| sgran | the backend is an implementation detail | 14:32 |
| sgran | (maybe an important one, of course) | 14:32 |
| Vijay_ | From top of my mind: It is not possible to allow both | 14:32 |
| enikanorov_ | Vijay_: could you explain? | 14:33 |
| enikanorov_ | if you have something like 'persistent' flag in your resource | 14:33 |
| enikanorov_ | that it is used ad you have proposed | 14:33 |
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| Vijay_ | when certificate is created as a separate resource and sending confidential parameters | 14:33 |
| Vijay_ | which device will it be sent to? | 14:33 |
| enikanorov_ | otherwise it needs to be resupplied each time | 14:33 |
| sgran | so I can see that UploadServerCertificate must store the certificate | 14:33 |
| sgran | but SetLoadBalancerListenerSSLCertificate could take either a resource reference or data, right? | 14:33 |
| enikanorov_ | Vijay_: i see | 14:34 |
| enikanorov_ | seems you're right, obviousle | 14:34 |
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| sgran | samuelbercovici: I am the guy from the Guardian :) | 14:34 |
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| Vijay_ | sgran: I think definitely the IAM service is storing the service separately outside of loadbalancer | 14:35 |
| Vijay_ | because certificates can be reused | 14:35 |
| samuelbercovici | sgran: :-) | 14:35 |
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| sgran | Vijay_: yes, I think so as well | 14:35 |
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| sgran | I don't know that we need to follow the same model to start with | 14:36 |
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| sgran | it might be that later this gets changed to default to downloading from Barbican or something | 14:36 |
| Vijay_ | Sam, what kind of security is applied in the device to protect certificates. | 14:37 |
| samuelbercovici | Vijay_: not sure I understadn ur q | 14:38 |
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| Vijay_ | for ex. Netscaler accepts certificates through API call or through file transfers | 14:38 |
| samuelbercovici | Vijay_: yes we also do | 14:39 |
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| sgran | So does riverbed, yeah | 14:39 |
| Vijay_ | if it is through APIs no loggin is done | 14:39 |
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| Vijay_ | on the confidential params | 14:39 |
| samuelbercovici | Vijay_: do u mean log files or log into the device? | 14:39 |
| Vijay_ | logs in the device | 14:39 |
| Vijay_ | also when support bundle is downloaded, the keys are not packaged | 14:40 |
| Vijay_ | for debugging purpose | 14:40 |
| samuelbercovici | Vijay_: the keys are transfered via secure channle or upload from sftp to the device | 14:40 |
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| Vijay_ | correct! | 14:41 |
| samuelbercovici | they are not logged anywhwre | 14:41 |
| Vijay_ | do we have support bundle concept in openstack? | 14:42 |
| Vijay_ | where all logs and db configurations are packaged? | 14:42 |
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| enikanorov_ | not aware of this | 14:42 |
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| Vijay_ | ok, if there is one, we should make sure that certificate params stored in db is not packaged. | 14:43 |
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| Vijay_ | so i was wondering if we can make a list of things that devices do to protect certificates, we can "try" to make sure similar mechanisms are employed | 14:44 |
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| sgran | symmetric encryption is probably the simplest | 14:44 |
| enikanorov_ | ok, I'd like to cover other topics as well | 14:45 |
| enikanorov_ | any update on L7 rules? | 14:45 |
| samuelbercovici | Vijay_: this is excatly what I was trying to avoid. dfining a secure store for this feature might get a pushback as the need for "secure" store is not just here | 14:45 |
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| avishayb | yep | 14:45 |
| avishayb | Open question: can the l7rule be reused in different l7policy or it can only be connected to 1 policy | 14:46 |
| samuelbercovici | avishayb: L7 Policies are resued. I think that the rule is not reused | 14:47 |
| samuelbercovici | on many occasions it is too granular | 14:47 |
| enikanorov_ | samuelbercovici: agree | 14:47 |
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| Vijay_ | #agreed | 14:48 |
| avishayb | ok - I will update the wiki page. and the policy - vip relations are 1:many | 14:48 |
| avishayb | right? | 14:49 |
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| samuelbercovici | its actualy n:m | 14:49 |
| samuelbercovici | VIP can have a few policies | 14:49 |
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| samuelbercovici | a policy can be used by multiple vips | 14:49 |
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| enikanorov_ | right | 14:50 |
| evgeny_fedoruk_ | Regarding other topics, I have a change for a review | 14:50 |
| enikanorov_ | so i'd suggest it's done with VipPoolAssociation | 14:50 |
| Vijay_ | Avishay, as far as i can see, rule are already created for a policy. | 14:50 |
| Vijay_ | neutron lb-create-l7rule rule2 --attribute-type path --attribute-value "/shopping/.*" --action SELECT-POOL --policy p1 | 14:50 |
| enikanorov_ | VipPoolAssociation(vip_id, pool_id, policy_id) | 14:50 |
| enikanorov_ | samuelbercovici: avishayb: does it make sense to you? | 14:51 |
| avishayb | yes | 14:51 |
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| enikanorov_ | (in case policy_id refers to the policy that has 'pool select' action) | 14:52 |
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| samuelbercovici | enikanorov_: we also would like to define arule with a "reject" action. in this case there is no pool_id | 14:53 |
| Vijay_ | is there a case for default pool? | 14:53 |
| enikanorov_ | samuelbercovici: i see | 14:53 |
| Vijay_ | *OR* always true rule + policy | 14:53 |
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| enikanorov_ | Vijay_: default pool must be there | 14:54 |
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| enikanorov_ | it will be association without policy_id | 14:54 |
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| samuelbercovici | Vijay_: "default" pool acn either be adressed here. Or can be addressed as a unique different memeber (as is implemented today). | 14:55 |
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| Vijay_ | Hmm, Sam, then it will mix with default loadbalancer instance | 14:56 |
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| enikanorov_ | Vijay_: how it is mixing with default instance? | 14:56 |
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| enikanorov_ | you create a vip specifying pool_id, it becomes default pool for the vip | 14:57 |
| Vijay_ | Sam: can you explain " Or can be addressed as a unique different memeber (as is implemented today)."? | 14:57 |
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| enikanorov_ | if you want to attach another pool to the same vip - you need to do it via l7 rule | 14:57 |
| enikanorov_ | i think Sam meant that vip will have pool_id attribute pointing to the default pool | 14:58 |
| samuelbercovici | as we have 3 more minutes, we can take it offline to ML and the WIKIs | 14:58 |
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| enikanorov_ | but I'd argue that it's better to avoid that | 14:58 |
| samuelbercovici | is there anything else for the genda? | 14:58 |
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| enikanorov_ | not much, lets discuss everything else offline or on #openstack-neutron | 14:59 |
| enikanorov_ | #endmeeting | 14:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Dec 5 14:59:18 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_lbaas_subteam_meeting/2013/neutron_lbaas_subteam_meeting.2013-12-05-14.00.html | 14:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_lbaas_subteam_meeting/2013/neutron_lbaas_subteam_meeting.2013-12-05-14.00.txt | 14:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_lbaas_subteam_meeting/2013/neutron_lbaas_subteam_meeting.2013-12-05-14.00.log.html | 14:59 |
| enikanorov_ | thanks everyone | 14:59 |
| evgeny_fedoruk_ | I have changes for review | 14:59 |
| samuelbercovici | enikanorov_: there is a proposal to manage the "default" VIP <--> Pools relationship in an N:M | 14:59 |
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| enikanorov_ | evgeny_fedoruk_: which one? | 14:59 |
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| evgeny_fedoruk_ | It's for "neutron LBaaS entities quota extension" BP. #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/neutron-quota-extension | 14:59 |
| evgeny_fedoruk_ | Contains 4 changes. You are welcome to review | 15:00 |
| enikanorov_ | evgeny_fedoruk_: ok | 15:00 |
| enikanorov_ | samuelbercovici: could you explain? | 15:00 |
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| mtreinish | #startmeeting qa | 17:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Dec 5 17:01:43 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mtreinish. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'qa' | 17:01 |
| mtreinish | hi who do we have here today? | 17:02 |
| sdague | o/ | 17:02 |
| mlavalle | hi | 17:02 |
| dkranz | o/ | 17:02 |
| andreaf | hi | 17:02 |
| andreaf | hi | 17:02 |
| giulivo | hi | 17:02 |
| mtreinish | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/QATeamMeeting#Proposed_Agenda_for_December_5_2013 | 17:02 |
| adalbas | hi | 17:02 |
| mtreinish | ^^ Today's agenda | 17:02 |
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| mtreinish | let's get started | 17:02 |
| mtreinish | #topic Meeting time change proposal | 17:03 |
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| dkranz | afazekas: meeting | 17:03 |
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| mtreinish | so I sent out an email to the ml about this | 17:03 |
| sdague | mtreinish: yep, thanks for that | 17:03 |
| mtreinish | we need to change the meeting time, I suggested 2200 utc | 17:03 |
| mtreinish | which is a bit difficult for people in Europe | 17:03 |
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| sdague | I just wanted to make sure to highlight it to people so they got on that thread if they weren't already | 17:04 |
| afazekas | hi | 17:04 |
| mtreinish | so I was thinking we could alternate between this time and then (on Thursday) | 17:04 |
| giulivo | mtreinish, 22utc is good for me though (europe) | 17:04 |
| mtreinish | giulivo: ok cool | 17:04 |
| giulivo | is other "europe" against it? | 17:04 |
| mtreinish | I'd prefer to keep one time | 17:04 |
| sdague | giulivo: mkoderer said it was going to be pretty late for him | 17:04 |
| mtreinish | mkoderer was hesitant | 17:04 |
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| dkranz | mkoderer was not thrilled but said he could do it | 17:04 |
| giulivo | oh okay sorry | 17:04 |
| giulivo | afazekas ? | 17:05 |
| dkranz | What about 1 hour earlier? | 17:05 |
| mtreinish | it's too early for Japan then | 17:05 |
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| mtreinish | 6am | 17:05 |
| dkranz | I thought they said they could do 6am | 17:05 |
| sdague | dkranz: it also ends up on top of the nova meeting then, right? | 17:05 |
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| dkranz | sdague: Don't know | 17:05 |
| giulivo | yet, isn't it three of us in europe? afazaks will make the difference | 17:05 |
| dkranz | But 22:00 is midnight in europe most of the year | 17:06 |
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| mtreinish | well anyway we can take this back out to the list, and do a final vote next week | 17:06 |
| giulivo | dkranz, indeed it is late but altenating meetings means we would loose 1 in 2 anyway ... will midnight be better or worst than that? | 17:07 |
| sdague | yep, I'm honestly going to be more +1 on oscillating just because it won't discourage new .eu people | 17:07 |
| mtreinish | sdague: I was just worried about the disconnect then | 17:07 |
| dkranz | I agree. And if giulivo wants to go to the other at midnight that is ok | 17:07 |
| dkranz | But it is a tough call | 17:07 |
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| dkranz | Making it 1 doesn't help if people don't show up | 17:07 |
| afazekas | giulivo: I will try to solve to attending the meeting at whatever time | 17:07 |
| mtreinish | how about next week we do the 22 UTC and start oscillating? | 17:08 |
| sdague | mtreinish: that works for me | 17:08 |
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| sdague | want to propose that back to the list? | 17:08 |
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| dkranz | Sounds reasonable | 17:08 |
| mtreinish | sdague: yeah will do | 17:08 |
| mtreinish | and I'll update the wikis | 17:08 |
| adalbas | it can start oscillating and then check if stick to a single time | 17:08 |
| mtreinish | if it doesn't work well we can always revisit it again | 17:09 |
| sdague | +1 | 17:09 |
| mlavalle | +1 | 17:09 |
| dkranz | 22:00 is the best fallback we have so +1 | 17:09 |
| giulivo | +1 | 17:09 |
| mtreinish | #action mtreinish to update meeting times to oscilate between current time and 2200 UTC | 17:09 |
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| mtreinish | ok then lets move on | 17:09 |
| mtreinish | #topic Getting additional folks signed up as point people | 17:09 |
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| mtreinish | sdague: this is your's | 17:09 |
| sdague | yep | 17:09 |
| sdague | so basically I'm realizing that there are too many discreet things to keep an eye on in the QA program for me to handle it all well | 17:10 |
| sdague | or any future PTL | 17:10 |
| dkranz | Agreed | 17:10 |
| sdague | so I'd like to carve off point people for specific things | 17:10 |
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| sdague | which isn't that they'd own all the work, they would just be the point person to make sure we stay on top of it, and harass folks when we don't | 17:11 |
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| sdague | I figured 3 things that could be carved off this way are: meeting management, blueprint triage, and bug triage | 17:11 |
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| sdague | mtreinish volunteered for meeting management (hence why he's running the meeting and handling the time change) | 17:11 |
| sdague | but I'd still like to get volunteers for the others | 17:12 |
| dkranz | I think the problem is the things you are carving off are things that in most engineering orgs are done by managers. We should recruit managers to do them. | 17:12 |
| sdague | dkranz: well our community doesn't work that way | 17:12 |
| sdague | people that do the work, get the trust | 17:12 |
| dkranz | sdague: Why not? If a company wants to donate manager time for this... | 17:12 |
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| sdague | dkranz: ok. But we don't see those folks as contributors today | 17:13 |
| dkranz | sdague: I know | 17:13 |
| dkranz | sdague: But we have not tried to get them either | 17:13 |
| sdague | so I don't think that's a productive direction for the conversation | 17:13 |
| sdague | because honestly, point people need to be folks the group trusts | 17:13 |
| dkranz | sdague: ok, i'll stop here. But I don't know why being a good hacker makes you more trustworthy at bug triage | 17:14 |
| sdague | because if they don't trust them, then it's sort of useless | 17:14 |
| dkranz | I'm not talking some random manager but some one who is engaged. | 17:15 |
| afazekas | looks like we still have bugs in Fix Committed status, does anyone has objection against moving them to the Fix released status ? | 17:15 |
| giulivo | afazekas, I wanted to ask that too, that's a +1 from me | 17:15 |
| sdague | dkranz: I'm not saying it does. I'm saying there are no non developer candidates in our community that are doing work | 17:15 |
| dkranz | That was supposed to happen automiatically but there was a window where it didn't | 17:15 |
| mtreinish | afazekas: that's kinda off topic, but they should be moved (we do it by default now) | 17:15 |
| dkranz | sdague: RIght. I just had some idea to try changing that | 17:15 |
| sdague | so... this is exactly why we need a point person :) | 17:15 |
| dkranz | sdague: Agreed. And it should be one of us. | 17:16 |
| sdague | because now the conversation went off into the weeds on bp details, which have gotten lost, because there wasn't one | 17:16 |
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| sdague | or more specifically, the person was me, but it's about #12 down my priority list | 17:16 |
| sdague | so effectively will never get done | 17:16 |
| giulivo | so I won't bother, but I don't like this "single point of failure" thing | 17:17 |
| adalbas | sdague, do you expect this point person to be amongst the core people, or not necessarily? | 17:17 |
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| sdague | adalbas: not necessarily, especially for bugs | 17:17 |
| dkranz | let's separate bug triage from blueprints because they are a different magnitude of task | 17:18 |
| sdague | yep | 17:18 |
| sdague | and different levels of trust needed I think | 17:18 |
| giulivo | but my long term idea is to do some hard work now and later block new blueprints to not find ourselves in the same situation again | 17:18 |
| sdague | so our bug group is open, anyone can triage, so I really think any volunteer on bug triage point person would be welcomed | 17:18 |
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| afazekas | The problem with random failure bugs, in most cases we cannot do anything with them in tempest, how to handle them ? | 17:18 |
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| giulivo | afazekas, that's why I'd drop non triaged | 17:19 |
| sdague | afazekas: ok, again, moving into the details | 17:19 |
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| sdague | because the point person would get to make some of those calls | 17:19 |
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| sdague | giulivo: so it sounds like you are actually taking a run at the blueprint cleanup anyway | 17:19 |
| adalbas | sdague, could you point what the bug triage person would be doing (responsibilities)? | 17:19 |
| giulivo | sdague, hehehe yes I'd like to indeed! | 17:20 |
| sdague | you want to be the point person for that for now | 17:20 |
| sdague | giulivo: I think yuo'd be great at it :) | 17:20 |
| sdague | adalbas: QA bug czar (Spearheading Tempest Bug triage) | 17:20 |
| sdague | * focus on driving down Tempest bug queue to a useful thing | 17:20 |
| sdague | * nag about top QA bugs in tempest meeting | 17:20 |
| sdague | * organize bug triage days regularly to help with this | 17:20 |
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| giulivo | but really, why do we need new blueprints if not discussed here or by a core? does "closing" blueprints look so terrible? | 17:21 |
| sdague | giulivo: I don't think so. Again we just need someone to stay on top of it and make sure it doesn't get out of hand | 17:22 |
| dkranz | That is the direction nova is going in | 17:22 |
| sdague | hint hint, you sound like a great volunteer for this :) | 17:22 |
| giulivo | dkehn, you mean closing "new blueprints to trusted" ? | 17:23 |
| giulivo | dkranz, ^^ | 17:23 |
| mtreinish | ok, well lets move to the next topic now | 17:23 |
| dkehn | ?? | 17:23 |
| mtreinish | sdague can pester people to volunteer after the meeting | 17:23 |
| dkranz | giulivo: No, just the idea of exerting more control over accepted blueprints sooner | 17:23 |
| sdague | yeh, I guess we still aren't getting volunteers on it | 17:23 |
| adalbas | sdague, if anyone else from the core team are not able to be the point for that and if you are all ok with that, I would be ok to help with the bug triage thing | 17:23 |
| sdague | yep | 17:23 |
| mtreinish | #topic Blueprints | 17:24 |
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| sdague | adalbas: yes, +1. I'm totally happy if yuo wanted to lead the bug triage effort | 17:24 |
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| mtreinish | oops maybe jumped the gun a bit there | 17:24 |
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| sdague | mtreinish: nope, it's all good | 17:24 |
| sdague | let's move on | 17:25 |
| mtreinish | are there any outstanding blueprints that need attention? | 17:25 |
| andreaf | I have https://blueprints.launchpad.net/tempest/+spec/input-scenarios-for-scenario | 17:25 |
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| mtreinish | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/tempest/+spec/input-scenarios-for-scenario | 17:25 |
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| andreaf | it's something I suggested we could do at the summit, sdague mentioned it would be a good idea, so I started working on it | 17:26 |
| mtreinish | andreaf: ok, cool | 17:26 |
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| giulivo | so I'm moving that into accepted | 17:26 |
| mtreinish | andreaf: so just need the bp approved? | 17:26 |
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| mtreinish | do you have a WIP up? | 17:26 |
| sdague | giulivo: +1 | 17:27 |
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| mtreinish | giulivo: you just volunteered... | 17:27 |
| andreaf | mtreinish: I only have it locally, I can upload a WIP | 17:27 |
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| mtreinish | andreaf: ok cool, that would help my understanding of what you're doing there | 17:28 |
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| sdague | andreaf: cool, would be great | 17:28 |
| mtreinish | but it sounds like everyone is on board | 17:28 |
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| andreaf | sdague, mtreinish: ok cool | 17:29 |
| mtreinish | ok are there any other bp status updates that people have | 17:29 |
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| dkranz | mtreinish: Just that the negative test stuff is not really moving quickly | 17:29 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: There will probably not be any progress until after the new year | 17:30 |
| sdague | dkranz: is there a bp registered for that one? | 17:30 |
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| dkranz | sdague: I thought there was but I'll check | 17:30 |
| mtreinish | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/tempest/+spec/negative-tests | 17:30 |
| giulivo | dkranz, , https://blueprints.launchpad.net/tempest/+spec/negative-tests ? | 17:30 |
| dkranz | Yes | 17:31 |
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| adalbas | dkranz, i m working with kein omich and others to get the separate files for negative tests | 17:31 |
| dkranz | I've been swamped and Marc is out until new year | 17:31 |
| adalbas | the patches are added on that blueprint | 17:31 |
| sdague | so we should probably make 2 blueprints | 17:31 |
| dkranz | adalbas: Yes, but that is not what this is about | 17:31 |
| sdague | adalbas: can you make another blueprint on the separation? | 17:31 |
| dkranz | There should be 2 | 17:31 |
| adalbas | sdague, dkranz , yes | 17:32 |
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| sdague | we'll put them both into an approv state | 17:32 |
| adalbas | i can separate them | 17:32 |
| adalbas | i ll line that up with the others working on that | 17:32 |
| giulivo | sdague, adalbas I can draft and approve it | 17:32 |
| giulivo | you meant to have two one for "autogeneration" and one for "separating negative files" right | 17:32 |
| giulivo | ? | 17:33 |
| adalbas | yes giulivo | 17:33 |
| dkranz | right | 17:33 |
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| mtreinish | ok, are there any other blueprints we need to discuss, otherwise let's move on to the next topic | 17:33 |
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| mtreinish | #topic Neutron testing | 17:34 |
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| mtreinish | ok mlavalle your name is on this one | 17:34 |
| mlavalle | yeap | 17:34 |
| mlavalle | Over the past few days I've been conducting a gap analysis for API tests | 17:35 |
| mlavalle | I put the results in the API section of https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/icehouse-summit-qa-neutron | 17:35 |
| mlavalle | I've finished with core and l3 api's and plan to continue with L4 - L7 over the next few days | 17:36 |
| sdague | great | 17:36 |
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| sdague | so are we at the point of turning on the full runs non voting on normal (non experimental) neutron runs? | 17:36 |
| mlavalle | I will also create a wiki page for new contributors, walking them through the process of writing api tests for Neutron | 17:36 |
| sdague | i.e. how many fails are we down to now? | 17:37 |
| mtreinish | sdague: I thought we weren't going to do that until parallel worked | 17:37 |
| sdague | ah, right, it will get too long | 17:37 |
| mlavalle | That wiki will be done early next week and when it';s done i'll advertise it in the ML | 17:37 |
| mtreinish | mlavalle: yeah, that would be helpful. You've got ~52 tests listed there right? | 17:37 |
| sdague | mlavalle: great | 17:37 |
| mlavalle | Last nigh I made a little change to the Neutron wiki https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Neutron | 17:38 |
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| mlavalle | Look at the Related Projects section close to the top | 17:38 |
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| mlavalle | I am also attending every week the Neutron IRC meeting, so I keep them abreast of what is going on with QA | 17:40 |
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| sdague | so do we know where we stand on parallel | 17:40 |
| mtreinish | salv-orlando: ^^^ | 17:40 |
| afazekas | Do we able to create a shared network in parallel safe way? Most of tempest test assumes there is only one network visible in the tenant | 17:40 |
| sdague | i.e. agent rewrite | 17:40 |
| salv-orlando | hi | 17:41 |
| mlavalle | salv-orlando is working on several patches to Neutron to enable that | 17:41 |
| mlavalle | he sent an email to the ML a couple of day ago with an update on the status | 17:41 |
| salv-orlando | I know where we stand. To cut a long story short we have fixed the OVS agent, which does not have anymore tremendous lag for wiring ports, but.. | 17:41 |
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| salv-orlando | … there is also an issue with the DHCP agent, which takes about 40 seconds in updating the hosts file under load and this causes a failure since the cirros vms send 1 dhcp discover per minute | 17:42 |
| salv-orlando | I am working on that too. So far I am pushing all the stuff I have in a single patch, where I run the parallel job | 17:43 |
| salv-orlando | as soon as I have 10 green runs in a row I will push the patches for review with unit tests and stuff | 17:43 |
| salv-orlando | end of the updated. | 17:43 |
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| mtreinish | salv-orlando: ok, very cool | 17:43 |
| mlavalle | salv-orlando: based on my work with bug 1251448, we also need to worry when we devete ports | 17:43 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1251448 in neutron "BadRequest: Multiple possible networks found, use a Network ID to be more specific. " [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1251448 | 17:43 |
| mlavalle | delete | 17:44 |
| salv-orlando | and btw, I reckon that with armax's fix for tempest not relinquishing public IPs + another proposed fix for making the public network a /24 we shall be enable to enable full isolation | 17:44 |
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| salv-orlando | mlavalle: update my outside of the meeting with this issue, please | 17:44 |
| mlavalle | salv-orlando: cool | 17:44 |
| mtreinish | salv-orlando: ok, when that goes through let me know and we can push through turning that on again | 17:44 |
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| mtreinish | is there anything else on the neutron testing front? | 17:45 |
| mlavalle | not on my side | 17:45 |
| mtreinish | ok then let's move on | 17:45 |
| mtreinish | #topic Critical Reviews | 17:46 |
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| mtreinish | does anyone have any reviews they'd like to bring up? | 17:46 |
| mtreinish | I actually have one today: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/58604/ | 17:46 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: I don't think we should discuss it now but please look at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/54948/ | 17:46 |
| mtreinish | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/54948/ | 17:47 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: which is a disupte about parallelism and tenant isolation requirements | 17:47 |
| mtreinish | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/58604/ | 17:47 |
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| mtreinish | dkranz: ok, I'll look at it after the meeting | 17:47 |
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| mtreinish | on the review I posted it has 2 -1's but I responded to them with no response so if someone else could take a look at them I'd appreciate it | 17:48 |
| mtreinish | (the -1s probably mean that no one looks at it) | 17:48 |
| mtreinish | are there any other reviews to bring up? | 17:48 |
| sdague | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/tempest+branch:master+topic:bp/nova-v3-api-tests,n,z | 17:48 |
| sdague | it would actually be nice to move those forward, they have been there for a while | 17:48 |
| sdague | and remain about 1/3 of our queue | 17:49 |
| mlavalle | mtreinish: Over he weekend I will submit a patch to add tenant isolation to the Neutron base test. We will need to approve that quickly to enable new contributors to work on Neutron API tests. I'll ping you when it's in Gerrit | 17:49 |
| sdague | oh, only 20% now | 17:49 |
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| dkranz | sdague: I have been reviewing these | 17:49 |
| mtreinish | mlavalle: that is already up on gerrit | 17:49 |
| dkranz | sdague: And will continue and hopefully be done by tomorrow | 17:49 |
| mtreinish | mlavalle: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/53459/ | 17:49 |
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| mlavalle | oh, so maybe someone picked it up from the ether pad…. great! | 17:49 |
| sdague | I guess the only other issue is we really need to not be +2ing heat patches that we can't run | 17:49 |
| sdague | I've been -1ing the stuff that modifies heat slow jobs | 17:50 |
| sdague | because that doesn't run at all yet | 17:50 |
| dkranz | sdague: The problem is that they don't run due to an infrastructure issue | 17:50 |
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| sdague | hopefully the f20 release next week will let stevebaker get the infrastructure working | 17:50 |
| dkranz | sdague: Tempest tests are a high priority for that team | 17:50 |
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| dkranz | sdague: I hope so | 17:50 |
| sdague | dkranz: then getting the infrastructure working to run them, or running 3rdparty testing needs to be a priority | 17:51 |
| dkranz | sdague: If not then we either have to accept them or force people out of upstream | 17:51 |
| dkranz | sdague: I'm not really sure what the blocker is | 17:51 |
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| dkranz | sdague: I'll inquire about that and get a status | 17:51 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: we can't really add tests until we can confirm they work. We've had issues with that in the paste | 17:51 |
| mtreinish | s/paste/past/ | 17:51 |
| sdague | so we actually went through it on IRC | 17:51 |
| sdague | disk-image-builder needs pip 1.5 to install | 17:52 |
| sdague | which is not yet released | 17:52 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: We have, but this is a little different because they only run in the expewrimental queue | 17:52 |
| sdague | because they need real guests | 17:52 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: ANd won't be lit up until they all run | 17:52 |
| sdague | dkranz: no it's not different | 17:52 |
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| sdague | the point is we'd have a ton of tests that we have no proof in the community they ever ran | 17:52 |
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| sdague | it's the same reason we don't accept tests that start skipped | 17:53 |
| mtreinish | dkranz, sdague: lets save this for after the meeting. We're down to 7 min. and dkranz still has a topic on the list | 17:53 |
| sdague | sure | 17:53 |
| dkranz | sdague: I don't completely agree but let's see if it can be resolved soon and made moot | 17:53 |
| mtreinish | #topic How can we make sure reviews don't slide >1 week | 17:53 |
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| dkranz | mtreinish: I think I can withdraw my topic for now since we are doing ok | 17:54 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: you're up | 17:54 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: heh, ok cool | 17:54 |
| mtreinish | then let's open the floor | 17:54 |
| dkranz | We should just all make sure to focus on old reviews first | 17:54 |
| mtreinish | #topic open discussion | 17:54 |
| dkranz | even thought it is a pain | 17:54 |
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| mtreinish | dkranz: yeah I always start at the bottom | 17:54 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: Question about neutron | 17:54 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: ok, shoot | 17:54 |
| sdague | yeh, I do as well. though I'm trying to actually start with my review list, so I'm not missing coming back to things | 17:55 |
| dkranz | How many of us are comfrotable reviewing neutron complex scenarios for functional correctness? | 17:55 |
| dkranz | I'm not | 17:55 |
| sdague | dkranz: I typically try to ask someone from neutron core to comment | 17:55 |
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| mtreinish | dkranz: yeah the same with me, I'm not super familiar with it at this point | 17:55 |
| mlavalle | dkranz: I can help with it as well | 17:56 |
| dkranz | sdague: That is the right answer but it might help to have a slightly more formal way to spread the load on the neutron team for this | 17:56 |
| sdague | that's actually on my list after sorting out volunteers on the tempest items | 17:56 |
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| dkranz | sdague: ok, great | 17:56 |
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| dkranz | sdague: I don't want reviews to slide because we are not comfortable pushing them forward | 17:56 |
| sdague | dkranz: so I think the actual solution there is getting one or more point people in each core project that are there to help | 17:56 |
| dkranz | sdague: Right | 17:56 |
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| giulivo | sdague dkranz +1 from on that | 17:57 |
| dkranz | sdague: That's the only way that scales | 17:57 |
| giulivo | *from me | 17:57 |
| sdague | which I'm going to run on, once I have volunteers signed up for the tempest tasks. We need our house in order first before we ask others for things | 17:57 |
| dkranz | sdague: Never mind our three new projects :) | 17:57 |
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| malini | dkranz, sdague: o/ potential marconi-tempest contributor snooping | 17:58 |
| sdague | malini: great | 17:58 |
| sdague | ok, we're about to loose the room | 17:58 |
| mtreinish | yeah, lets end it here for today | 17:58 |
| mtreinish | thanks everyone | 17:59 |
| mtreinish | #endmeeting | 17:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Dec 5 17:59:07 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2013/qa.2013-12-05-17.01.html | 17:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2013/qa.2013-12-05-17.01.txt | 17:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2013/qa.2013-12-05-17.01.log.html | 17:59 |
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| bdpayne | #startmeeting OpenStack Security Group | 18:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Dec 5 18:00:26 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is bdpayne. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:00 |
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| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_security_group' | 18:00 |
| bdpayne | Hi OSSG | 18:00 |
| bknudson | hi | 18:00 |
| bdpayne | Let's start with a rollcall | 18:00 |
| bdpayne | #topic rollcall | 18:00 |
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| joel-coffman | hey | 18:01 |
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| paulmo | Paul Montgomery, Rackspace (new guy in OSSG from Project Solum) | 18:01 |
| bdpayne | welcome paulmo | 18:01 |
| paulmo | Thanks; glad to see the great security guide provided. :) | 18:01 |
| bdpayne | anyone else here today? | 18:02 |
| bknudson | does new project require update to security guide? | 18:02 |
| bdpayne | ok, small group today | 18:02 |
| paulmo | I'm still reviewing the guide but I suspect Solum may have some addition requirements. | 18:02 |
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| bdpayne | bknudson I think that's a strong "it depends" | 18:02 |
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| bdpayne | #topic today's agenda | 18:02 |
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| nkinder | I'm here | 18:03 |
| bdpayne | So I'm recovering from both Thanksgiving and being sick this week :-) | 18:03 |
| bdpayne | So I don't have too much news to report | 18:03 |
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| bdpayne | Anything specific that others would like to discuss today? | 18:03 |
| nkinder | I have a few topics. | 18:03 |
| bdpayne | nkinder sure, please go ahead and list them here and we can get to them in turn | 18:04 |
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| nkinder | One quick one is that I have an OSSN ready for a glance issue, but wanted to know if anyone else from OSSG needs to review it | 18:04 |
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| bdpayne | best to have at least two other people review | 18:04 |
| nkinder | The other is an effort to get a cross-project set of security guidelines established. | 18:04 |
| bdpayne | just to keep quality high and check for random typos and such | 18:04 |
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| paulmo | +1 nkinder | 18:05 |
| bdpayne | great, I'll add that to the agenda | 18:05 |
| bdpayne | anything else? | 18:05 |
| nkinder | not from me | 18:05 |
| paulmo | I have a few questions but I'm not sure if this is the right forum | 18:05 |
| bdpayne | sure, sounds like it's a quiet day... perhaps we can field some questions at the end? | 18:06 |
| paulmo | Sure; sounds great! | 18:06 |
| bdpayne | we typically run for 30 min | 18:06 |
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| bdpayne | ok... | 18:06 |
| bdpayne | #topic OSSG news | 18:06 |
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| bdpayne | So the main news I have to report this week is that we have three people signed up to be book editors | 18:06 |
| bdpayne | the team is Ben DeBont, Sriram Subramanian and David Mortman | 18:07 |
| bdpayne | clearly anyone is encourage to edit the book | 18:07 |
| bdpayne | it's as simple as doing a PR against the docbook source for the book | 18:08 |
| nkinder | great! Are they dividing up chapters to review? | 18:08 |
| bdpayne | but, these three people will be taking the lead on moving foward with the overall improvements to the book | 18:08 |
| bdpayne | I'm not sure how they are splitting it up or approaching it | 18:08 |
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| bknudson | is editing fixing typos or is it also to make content clearer? | 18:08 |
| bdpayne | bknudson, all of the above | 18:08 |
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| elo | nothing on my end… I'll have soem update to the book to publish in the new few weeks | 18:09 |
| bdpayne | so I've asked them to take the lead on this, and I'll ask them to check in here at the meetings and on the mailing list periodically | 18:09 |
| bdpayne | elo sounds good, perhaps you can sync with the book editing team wrt to your updates | 18:10 |
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| elo | Will do. | 18:10 |
| bknudson | I did submit a few bugs when reading through it | 18:10 |
| bdpayne | #topic cross project security guidelines | 18:10 |
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| bdpayne | take it away nkinder | 18:10 |
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| nkinder | I'd like to have our group help to establish a set of cross-project security guidelines. | 18:11 |
| nkinder | This needs to come from all of the projects as well as us | 18:11 |
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| nkinder | I floated the idea on the dev list, and there was interest from som eof the Solum folks (one reason paulmo is here) | 18:12 |
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| nkinder | I've talked with some of the keystone devs as well, and there is interest there. | 18:12 |
| nkinder | Basically, I think we need a security representative from each of the core projects so we can brainstorm and come up with the guidelines. | 18:13 |
| bdpayne | yeah, this sounds like a good idea | 18:13 |
| nkinder | I was going to reach out to the PTLs in their meeting next monday | 18:13 |
| bdpayne | perhaps would be a good place to collaborate with some of the OWASP people too? | 18:13 |
| nkinder | sure, makes sense | 18:14 |
| paulmo | Would the goal be to make security requirements or guidelines? | 18:14 |
| nkinder | paulmo: well, eventually a bit of both would be good IMHO | 18:14 |
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| bdpayne | my take... would be that we start with guidelines | 18:14 |
| nkinder | I don't think we're currently really in a position to dictate requirements. | 18:15 |
| nkinder | bdpayne: +1 | 18:15 |
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| bdpayne | and then set a low bar with turning some into requirements... complete with CI that enforces it, if possible | 18:15 |
| bdpayne | and then slowly dial it up | 18:15 |
| paulmo | Sounds like a good plan to me. | 18:15 |
| nkinder | If we can get a general consensus from representatives on the projects, it shoudln't be hard to have them be spoken guidelines. | 18:15 |
| nkinder | sorry, requirements | 18:15 |
| joel-coffman | bdpayne: +1 | 18:15 |
| bdpayne | so this sounds nice | 18:16 |
| bknudson | are these guidelines like the length of keys and ciphers? | 18:16 |
| bknudson | validating inputs | 18:16 |
| bdpayne | I know that there was some talk about security testing before the summit... might be nice to check in with those guys and see if/how that's coming along | 18:16 |
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| bdpayne | this could certainly go in many directions | 18:17 |
| bdpayne | did you have specific ideas for the guidelines nkinder? | 18:17 |
| bknudson | use of random number generators | 18:17 |
| nkinder | bknudson: yes, I think that sort of thing, plus general developer best practice (zeroing memory that stores passwords/keys, etc.) | 18:17 |
| bknudson | encrypting passwords in Keystone's SQL backend :( | 18:17 |
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| bdpayne | perhaps examples of good security patterns (and ones to avoid) | 18:17 |
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| bdpayne | perhaps encouragement to use common security sensitive code (e.g., OSLO rootwrap) | 18:18 |
| nkinder | bdpayne: I have ideas about areas that should be addressed, but I expect many folks from the projects will have ideas too. | 18:18 |
| bdpayne | stuff like that | 18:18 |
| bdpayne | yeah | 18:18 |
| bdpayne | so I envision a massive, distributed brainstorm | 18:18 |
| paulmo | nkinder: I'm willing to help out on this | 18:18 |
| bdpayne | and then perhaps a small team to make sense of it all and make some proposals | 18:18 |
| nkinder | paulmo: Great! I have your name down on my list already. :) | 18:18 |
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| bdpayne | nkinder I'd be willing to help as well | 18:19 |
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| nkinder | bdpayne: ok, great. Let me see what interest I get from the PTLs next week, and we'll go from there. | 18:19 |
| bdpayne | sounds good | 18:20 |
| nkinder | This will also help identify areas where things should be improved. | 18:20 |
| nkinder | where we don't meet guidelines, etc. | 18:20 |
| bdpayne | #topic open discussion / questions | 18:20 |
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| bdpayne | paulmo you had some questions? | 18:20 |
| bdpayne | also, anything else people want to discuss? | 18:20 |
| paulmo | Sure! I see that there is a SecurityImpact Gerrit tag, are there any code comment formats for potential security issues that devs can put in their code? | 18:21 |
| bdpayne | right now it is just free form | 18:21 |
| paulmo | (I'd like the team to be able to mark potential issues for research later while they are coding rather than trying to find them later if possible. Just seeing if there is an OpenStack or OSSG guide for that.) | 18:21 |
| bknudson | paulmo: I've never seen one. | 18:21 |
| bdpayne | so devs can use the tag, and that sends an email to the openstack-security list | 18:22 |
| bdpayne | and then someone from OSSG (ideally) will go to review the code | 18:22 |
| bdpayne | so any other details could just be placed as part of the commit msg | 18:22 |
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| paulmo | Ok, we'll make up a comment tag for Solum and use SecurityImpact for reviews. | 18:22 |
| bdpayne | sounds good | 18:23 |
| nkinder | bdpayne: It'd be nice to have some way to sign off that the OSSG has reviewed an issue. | 18:23 |
| bdpayne | yeah, not sure if gerrit supports that | 18:23 |
| paulmo | Next - Has anyone discussed a method of identifying confidential data in Oslo logging? This seems to be a source of credential leaks lately. | 18:23 |
| bdpayne | that being "if securityimpact tag, then require +1 from OSSG to merge" | 18:23 |
| bdpayne | so there has been an effort lately to cleanup the logs | 18:24 |
| bdpayne | this goes beyond oslo and includes pretty much all of the projects | 18:24 |
| bdpayne | and by cleanup, I mean remove things like passwords from them | 18:24 |
| bknudson | paulmo: there's code in oslo-logging that checks for "password", I think. | 18:24 |
| bdpayne | I think that people are generally relying on manual inspection at this point | 18:24 |
| paulmo | I would like to find that information. We have a blueprint in solum to try to head this issue off early: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/solum/+spec/logging | 18:24 |
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| bdpayne | but, yeah, that would be good to automate some more | 18:25 |
| bdpayne | it's worth noting that this has been a cause of disagreement | 18:25 |
| paulmo | Would this team make recommendations or would I go work with Oslo folks directly? | 18:25 |
| bdpayne | I've seen people arguing for having security sensitive stuff (tokens, passwords, etc) in debug level logs | 18:25 |
| bdpayne | I personally disagree with that approach, but hey | 18:25 |
| bknudson | when keystone is configured for debug it does insecure things. | 18:26 |
| bdpayne | paulmo I think that if the security guideance stuff comes together, that could be nice place for this | 18:26 |
| nkinder | bdpayne: +1 | 18:26 |
| paulmo | I was thinking of a boil the frog approach. Mark confidential data (and exceptions, espcially database exceptions) in the log with a tag (basically a list of dictionaries) to hold confidential data. Then filter it on the backend so users don't see it. | 18:27 |
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| bdpayne | I think I'd need more context to comment on that specific approach | 18:27 |
| bdpayne | perhaps a good disucssion for the ML | 18:27 |
| paulmo | Yes, sorry, just an elevator pitch. I can discuss more when ready or ML. :) | 18:28 |
| bdpayne | any other questions? | 18:28 |
| paulmo | I think that is all for now. Thanks for letting me take the floor for so long. | 18:28 |
| nkinder | Anyone care to review my OSSN so I can publish it? :) - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ossn/+bug/1226078 | 18:28 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1226078 in ossn "Glance allows user to create images and add other tenants as members (CVE-2013-4354)" [Medium,In progress] | 18:28 |
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| bdpayne | nkinder I'll take a look later today | 18:28 |
| nkinder | bdpayne: thanks | 18:28 |
| bdpayne | ok, so that's all for today | 18:29 |
| bdpayne | see everyone next week | 18:29 |
| bdpayne | #endmeeting | 18:29 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Dec 5 18:29:26 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:29 |
| bknudson | thanks! | 18:29 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_security_group/2013/openstack_security_group.2013-12-05-18.00.html | 18:29 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_security_group/2013/openstack_security_group.2013-12-05-18.00.txt | 18:29 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_security_group/2013/openstack_security_group.2013-12-05-18.00.log.html | 18:29 |
| nkinder | thanks guys! | 18:29 |
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| malini1 | No OSSG meeting today?? | 19:11 |
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| bknudson | malini1: OSSG meeting was an hour earlier. | 19:12 |
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| harlowja | #startmeeting state-management | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Dec 5 20:00:58 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is harlowja. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: state-management)" | 20:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'state_management' | 20:01 |
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| harlowja | howdy folks! | 20:01 |
| iv_m | hi there | 20:01 |
| haruka_ | hi | 20:01 |
| harlowja | hi there | 20:01 |
| harlowja | sooo i guess lets get started | 20:01 |
| harlowja | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/StateManagement#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 20:02 |
| harlowja | #topic action-items | 20:02 |
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| harlowja | no action items, haha | 20:02 |
| harlowja | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/state_management/2013/state_management.2013-11-21-20.13.html :) | 20:02 |
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| harlowja | been 2 weeks, so let me know if i missed anything :), don't think so | 20:03 |
| harlowja | #topic current integration | 20:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "current integration (Meeting topic: state-management)" | 20:03 | |
| harlowja | so this is a bigger topic :) | 20:03 |
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| harlowja | i think cinder is going through, thx anastasia and iv_m and folks :) | 20:03 |
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| harlowja | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/58724/ | 20:04 |
| harlowja | that should let others get started on there reviews, victor (and others) | 20:04 |
| harlowja | and i think anastasia has a couple followup reviews also | 20:04 |
| haruka_ | I filed blueprint because I couldn't find same topic. | 20:05 |
| iv_m | i think we are all waiting to get that merged | 20:05 |
| harlowja | hmmm, what was the blueprint for haruka_ ? | 20:05 |
| haruka_ | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/cinder/+spec/create-snapshot-task-flow | 20:05 |
| harlowja | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/TaskflowIcehouseWhoWhatWhereWhy (is where i've been connecting everything together) - if u want to put a link there | 20:05 |
| harlowja | k, thx haruka_ added to etherpad | 20:06 |
| haruka_ | thank you | 20:06 |
| harlowja | np, launchpad doesn't have such a good way to connect everything as releated to taskflow | 20:06 |
| harlowja | so that etherpad has been serving this purpose | 20:06 |
| haruka_ | ok | 20:07 |
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| harlowja | iv_m i'll see if i can bug the cinder folks for that review later | 20:07 |
| iv_m | great | 20:07 |
| harlowja | see if we can get them to approve it | 20:07 |
| harlowja | since its got the +2 | 20:07 |
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| MikeSpreitzer | o/ | 20:08 |
| harlowja | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/59327/ is also being worked on by the mistral folks | 20:08 |
| harlowja | howdy MikeSpreitzer | 20:08 |
| harlowja | and lots of other blueprints :) | 20:09 |
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| harlowja | iv_m i think u are working through https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/glance-snapshot-tasks (or part of it?) | 20:09 |
| iv_m | yup | 20:10 |
| iv_m | you're typing faster than me) | 20:10 |
| harlowja | ;) | 20:10 |
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| harlowja | cool, haruka_ the steps in above bp glance-snapshot-tasks seem like they would be applicable for your create-snapshot-task-flow (and others also) | 20:11 |
| iv_m | and aslo Alexander Gorodnev is helping me there | 20:11 |
| harlowja | great | 20:11 |
| iv_m | now we're still at #0 of that bp -- understanding and documenting | 20:11 |
| harlowja | nikhil__ and markwash maybe can help ensure sanity there ;) | 20:11 |
| harlowja | iv_m totally understood, #0 is a big part of it | 20:11 |
| nikhil__ | oh snap, that reminds me to take a look at the bp :) | 20:12 |
| harlowja | :) | 20:12 |
| iv_m | most of actual snapshoting workflow happens inside single nova's driver method -- so looks like we'll have to adjust driver api | 20:12 |
| harlowja | ya, the blackbox problem | 20:12 |
| harlowja | hard to make a blackbox reliable | 20:12 |
| harlowja | #link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_box (for those who have no idea what i am talking about, haha) | 20:13 |
| harlowja | nikhil__ if u get some time that would be super appreciated | 20:13 |
| nikhil__ | sure harlowja (I've the link open in my browser, just need to visit it) | 20:14 |
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| iv_m | #action iv_m agorodnev document nova's snapshoting flow and what we want to do with it | 20:14 |
| harlowja | i might see if boris-42 wants to take on https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/terminate-instance-tasks, if not i'll do that, gotta catch up with him on that | 20:14 |
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| harlowja | he's pretty familar with nova (so thats good) | 20:14 |
| harlowja | #action harlowja catch up with boris-42 on https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/terminate-instance-tasks and if he wants to own it (or should i just own it) | 20:15 |
| harlowja | the other new one for this week is https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/Rally_TaskFlow_Integration | 20:15 |
| harlowja | also working with boris-42 there to see how it might fit | 20:16 |
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| harlowja | feel free to add any comments there :) | 20:16 |
| harlowja | or #openstack-rally to | 20:16 |
| harlowja | nikhil__ for glance itself, are u (or other?) still working on the async stuff | 20:17 |
| harlowja | i think with the work @ https://review.openstack.org/#/c/59144/ (ongoing) taskflow gets closer to what glance desires | 20:17 |
| nikhil__ | harlowja: yeah, we'r actively working on it | 20:17 |
| nikhil__ | 3 patches went in and bunch are to follow | 20:17 |
| harlowja | cool | 20:18 |
| harlowja | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/glance/+spec/async-glance-workers still is the 'root' blueprint for all those right? | 20:18 |
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| harlowja | the dependency tree on that one really looks like a tree :) | 20:18 |
| nikhil__ | yeah, that sounds right | 20:19 |
| harlowja | loopsided christmas tree, ha | 20:19 |
| nikhil__ | that looks scary | 20:19 |
| harlowja | :) | 20:19 |
| nikhil__ | I prefer to not look at it | 20:19 |
| harlowja | :) | 20:19 |
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| harlowja | k, np, i'll look at whats in glance, and maybe write up some ideas for taskflow (or in the future how said glance concepts might translate to taskflow) | 20:19 |
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| harlowja | thx nikhil__ ! | 20:20 |
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| nikhil__ | harlowja: sounds good | 20:20 |
| harlowja | :) | 20:21 |
| nikhil__ | will keep looking into that MP | 20:21 |
| harlowja | thx much | 20:21 |
| harlowja | and current integration blockers that we can help resolve that people are facing (the cinder 0.1.1 should unblock folks) | 20:21 |
| harlowja | *any current | 20:22 |
| harlowja | if not, thats ok to (even better, ha) | 20:22 |
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| harlowja | #topic taskflow features | 20:24 |
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| harlowja | just a little overview of what i know about being worked on in taskflow (others feel free to add) | 20:24 |
| harlowja | 1) zookeeper work (by me) | 20:24 |
| harlowja | i was thinking i can make a little demo of this for folks, since it might not be obvious how neat it is :) | 20:24 |
| iv_m | would be great | 20:25 |
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| harlowja | maybe some little tutorial or something | 20:25 |
| harlowja | with some code | 20:25 |
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| harlowja | cool, iv_m i'll see what i can do :) | 20:25 |
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| harlowja | something that others can pretty easily also try | 20:26 |
| iv_m | i was thinking to give it really serious and hard review soon, so being able to see it in action and play with it would help | 20:26 |
| harlowja | agreed | 20:26 |
| harlowja | #action harlowja make little tutorial/example (other) for zookeeper review | 20:26 |
| harlowja | 2) the oslo.messaging worker distributed neato stuff - https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/TaskFlowWorkerBasedEngine (and review WIP @ https://review.openstack.org/#/c/59144/) | 20:27 |
| harlowja | ^ above i think is waiting a little bit on oslo.messaging being a little more library like | 20:27 |
| iv_m | we talked with Stanislav (who did most of that work) and decided to put it off a bit | 20:28 |
| iv_m | because of oslo.messaging | 20:28 |
| harlowja | ya, understandable | 20:28 |
| iv_m | now we're looking on what interesting things we can do using kombu directly | 20:28 |
| harlowja | kk, #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/59728/ (and a few others) are underway | 20:29 |
| harlowja | to try to make it more python3 compat, and oslo.cfg independent... | 20:29 |
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| harlowja | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/59758/ (for some more python3 stuff) | 20:30 |
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| harlowja | looking forward to see what that becomes (its a tough challenge) | 20:31 |
| harlowja | iv_m for the reversion strategy stuff (which i think u are working on) is there any recommended link u have for that | 20:31 |
| iv_m | not yet, sorry | 20:32 |
| harlowja | np | 20:32 |
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| harlowja | all good | 20:32 |
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| harlowja | so one of the other ideas that happened yesterday (still being baked, not concrete) is https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/async-taskflow-tasks | 20:33 |
| harlowja | if people want to add any thoughts, questions, comments on there that'd be great | 20:33 |
| harlowja | hopefully the use-case is clear (the ideas on how to solve might not be, if not, feel free to speak up) | 20:34 |
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| harlowja | so just throwing that out there (feel free to check it out) | 20:34 |
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| haruka_ | ok. I will check it. | 20:35 |
| harlowja | sounds great | 20:35 |
| harlowja | any taskflow features that need any discussion, i think changbl is working on zookeeper stuff as well | 20:36 |
| harlowja | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/taskflow/+spec/zk-logbook | 20:36 |
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| changbl | yes, working on it | 20:37 |
| harlowja | sweet, thx changbl :) | 20:37 |
| harlowja | let me know if u get stuck, willing to help out wherever needed! | 20:37 |
| changbl | sure | 20:37 |
| iv_m | just a quick annonce -- me and Anastasia started work on refactoring engine internals, which is needed for worker-based engine, help in reversion strategies and may bring support of multiprocessing executors | 20:38 |
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| iv_m | too early to say anything, maybe next time we'll have something cool to show) | 20:39 |
| harlowja | alright, lets see what happens there ;) | 20:39 |
| harlowja | just internals i hope :) | 20:39 |
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| iv_m | ya, we are not intending to break anything (like api) right now | 20:40 |
| harlowja | sweet | 20:40 |
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| harlowja | thx iv_m , eagerly awaits next week now, haha | 20:41 |
| iv_m | ) | 20:42 |
| harlowja | any other new taskflow features/goodies that people want to talk about? | 20:43 |
| harlowja | can just switch to open-dicuss for anything else | 20:43 |
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| harlowja | 3 | 20:43 |
| harlowja | 2 | 20:43 |
| harlowja | 1 | 20:44 |
| harlowja | #topic open-discuss | 20:44 |
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| harlowja | iv_m will your internal engine work have ideas from https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/async-taskflow-tasks (out of curosity) | 20:44 |
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| harlowja | if its to early to tell, thats fine | 20:45 |
| iv_m | no, it started a bit earlier | 20:46 |
| harlowja | np | 20:46 |
| harlowja | http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-3156/ is an interesting read for folks also (the future of python concurrency in a way) | 20:46 |
| harlowja | *or maybe the future (still hard to tell, ha) | 20:47 |
| iv_m | yeah, it's already in python 3.4 alpha | 20:47 |
| harlowja | lots of new concepts there, but a little overlap with taskflow (in a way) | 20:47 |
| * iv_m lost count of 'future of the futures' puns | 20:47 | |
| harlowja | :) | 20:47 |
| harlowja | ya, i should grep for how many mentions that page has of 'future' | 20:48 |
| harlowja | probably over 100 | 20:48 |
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| iv_m | they have most of interface in common with concurrent.futures, so i think if we're nice with that we'll be prepared) | 20:49 |
| harlowja | def | 20:49 |
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| harlowja | be interesting to see what happens in this area (especially with releation to openstack) | 20:50 |
| harlowja | and how this works with eventlet (and eventlet+openstack...) | 20:50 |
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| harlowja | fun times ahead, ha | 20:50 |
| harlowja | anyways, can chat more about this in #openstack-state-management so as not to keep people around if there isn't anything so useful to discuss :) | 20:51 |
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| harlowja | since i know iv_m probably wants to go to sleep, haha | 20:51 |
| harlowja | other news, i think boris (from mirantis) will start getting some taskflow programemrs involved from his side, so +1 (+2 when i see the people, ha) | 20:52 |
| iv_m | u know my weeknesses | 20:52 |
| harlowja | :) | 20:53 |
| harlowja | k, letting people go, 7 minutes left, ha | 20:53 |
| haruka_ | i filed one more bp #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/feature-of-cancel with using taskflow | 20:53 |
| harlowja | ah | 20:53 |
| haruka_ | just under considering | 20:53 |
| harlowja | intersting | 20:53 |
| harlowja | cool, haruka_ will check it out | 20:54 |
| harlowja | and will add some comments | 20:54 |
| harlowja | much appreciated! | 20:54 |
| haruka_ | ok | 20:54 |
| harlowja | just did a quick look over, seems to be the right kind of idea | 20:55 |
| harlowja | i'd use that for like a top level blueprint and add in dependents for the pieces | 20:56 |
| harlowja | that seems to be what russellb wants for that one (in whiteboard) | 20:56 |
| haruka_ | yes. | 20:56 |
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| harlowja | shall i help u there, or do u have that covered, can see if we can brainstorm how to make that possible | 20:57 |
| harlowja | splitting the work and figuring out the pieces is not always easy :) | 20:57 |
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| harlowja | k, running out of time | 20:58 |
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| harlowja | haruka_ if u want to brainstorm on how to do this we're always in #openstack-state-management channel (most of us anyway) | 20:59 |
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| haruka_ | yes. thank you. Your comment is always appreciated. | 20:59 |
| harlowja | great | 20:59 |
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| harlowja | as for others, #openstack-state-management also :) | 20:59 |
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| harlowja | until next time! | 20:59 |
| harlowja | thx for coming folks :) | 20:59 |
| harlowja | #endmeeting | 20:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Dec 5 20:59:56 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/state_management/2013/state_management.2013-12-05-20.00.html | 21:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/state_management/2013/state_management.2013-12-05-20.00.txt | 21:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/state_management/2013/state_management.2013-12-05-20.00.log.html | 21:00 |
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| shane-wang | hello? | 21:03 |
| russellb | hi! | 21:03 |
| russellb | #startmeeting nova | 21:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Dec 5 21:03:19 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is russellb. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:03 |
| lbragstad | hey | 21:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:03 |
| mriedem | hi | 21:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:03 | |
| hartsocks | \o | 21:03 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova' | 21:03 |
| n0ano | o/ | 21:03 |
| alaski | hi | 21:03 |
| mrodden | o/ | 21:03 |
| shane-wang | :D | 21:03 |
| russellb | hey everyone! sorry for starting a couple minutes late | 21:03 |
| dansmith | . | 21:03 |
| dripton | hi | 21:03 |
| bpokorny | Hi | 21:03 |
| MikeSpreitzer | o/ | 21:03 |
| beagles | hi | 21:03 |
| melwitt1 | hi | 21:03 |
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| jog0 | o/ | 21:03 |
| russellb | awesome, lots of folks | 21:03 |
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| russellb | #topic general announcements | 21:04 |
| cyeoh | hi | 21:04 |
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| russellb | icehouse-1 is out! | 21:04 |
| russellb | #link https://launchpad.net/nova/+milestone/icehouse-1 | 21:04 |
| russellb | 13 blueprints, > 200 bugs fixed | 21:04 |
| russellb | release is going by fast already | 21:04 |
| russellb | scary. | 21:04 |
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| russellb | we'll talk more about icehouse-2 planning in a bit | 21:04 |
| russellb | other thing ... mid-cycle meetup | 21:04 |
| russellb | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Nova/IcehouseCycleMeetup | 21:04 |
| russellb | 6 people signed up so far, heh | 21:05 |
| shane-wang | # of blueprints is not expected:) | 21:05 |
| shane-wang | I remember last time it was 65? | 21:05 |
| yjiang5 | russellb: 6 people? | 21:05 |
| russellb | well ... that's because *everything* was targeted at icehouse-1 | 21:05 |
| russellb | and now most of it is on icehouse-2, some icehouse-3 ... | 21:05 |
| shane-wang | 6? | 21:05 |
| * jog0 signs up | 21:05 | |
| russellb | i suspect some folks are still working on getting budget approval | 21:05 |
| russellb | or just haven't filled out the registration thingy | 21:05 |
| russellb | so just a reminder | 21:05 |
| * n0ano tentative signup | 21:05 | |
| mriedem | yeah, should we hold off on signing up before that? | 21:06 |
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| russellb | mriedem: yeah probably | 21:06 |
| mriedem | k | 21:06 |
| russellb | but just making sure everyone saw all the info there | 21:06 |
| russellb | hotel info added | 21:06 |
| russellb | look at that, 2 people just signed up | 21:06 |
| hartsocks | meh, I have Marriott points. | 21:07 |
| hartsocks | :-) | 21:07 |
| russellb | heh, that's what's recommended anyway | 21:07 |
| russellb | just let me know if you have any questions about that | 21:07 |
| russellb | #topic sub-teams | 21:07 |
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| russellb | let's do sub-teams first! | 21:07 |
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| hartsocks | whee! | 21:07 |
| russellb | hartsocks: you! | 21:07 |
| russellb | (others raise your virtual hand so i know you're in line) | 21:07 |
| hartsocks | We're getting our act together for i2 | 21:07 |
| * n0ano hand up | 21:08 | |
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| melwitt | o/ | 21:08 |
| russellb | hartsocks: cool, anything urgent that needs attention? | 21:08 |
| hartsocks | We have 2 BP now in flight for i2 and I think we'll be proposing more stuff for i3 | 21:08 |
| russellb | hartsocks: just approved one BP for i2 for you | 21:08 |
| hartsocks | danke | 21:08 |
| hartsocks | I'm trying to figure out how to move more of our stuff into Oslo. | 21:08 |
| hartsocks | BTW | 21:08 |
| russellb | cool. | 21:09 |
| hartsocks | or at least seeing what's appropriate to share there. | 21:09 |
| russellb | sure | 21:09 |
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| hartsocks | I would like to do less *special* work in our driver and do smarter work over all. | 21:09 |
| hartsocks | We'll be getting our act together the next few weeks on that. | 21:09 |
| russellb | i don't think i'll argue with that :) | 21:09 |
| hartsocks | 'sall from me. | 21:09 |
| russellb | thanks! | 21:09 |
| russellb | n0ano: what's up in scheduler land | 21:10 |
| n0ano | much discussion about boris' no_db scheduler work, everyone likes the idea, issues about maintaining compatibily while transistioning to it. | 21:10 |
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| russellb | yeah, good point, i haven't thought about the migration path too much on that | 21:11 |
| n0ano | also a lot of talk about the forklift of the scheduler code, didn't have much time on that, will probably discuss on the email list & next week | 21:11 |
| russellb | ok, was curious if you guys got to that ... | 21:11 |
| russellb | i think we're about ready to start | 21:11 |
| russellb | need someone to do the initial heavy lifting of the code export | 21:11 |
| n0ano | do we have a BP for the work involved in the forklift | 21:11 |
| russellb | lifeless: talking about scheduler forklift if you're around | 21:12 |
| russellb | we do have a blueprint | 21:12 |
| russellb | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/forklift-scheduler-breakout | 21:12 |
| lifeless | russellb: i | 21:12 |
| n0ano | I'll go look at that, looks like there's lots of people signed up to do the work so it should go | 21:12 |
| lifeless | russellb: sorry, I am totally around | 21:12 |
| russellb | lifeless: all good | 21:12 |
| lifeless | I think we're ready to start indeed | 21:13 |
| lifeless | we need: | 21:13 |
| lifeless | - infra definitions for two projects | 21:13 |
| lifeless | I was going to use openstack/python-commonschedulerclient and openstack/commonscheduler | 21:13 |
| lifeless | - some filter-tree work to get commonscheduler existing | 21:13 |
| russellb | heh, that's fine, assuming we can rename if we want to be clever later | 21:13 |
| mriedem | holy long name | 21:13 |
| lifeless | and I think just cookiecutter to get the python-commonschedulerclient one in place | 21:13 |
| * jog0 votes for oslo-scheduler | 21:14 | |
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| n0ano | what's in a name, as long as the code is there and works I don't care that much | 21:14 |
| * russellb was thinking gantt | 21:14 | |
| shane-wang | mriedem: +1 | 21:14 |
| lifeless | n0ano: +1 ;) | 21:14 |
| mriedem | what's in a name can be annoying for packagers.... | 21:14 |
| mriedem | think quantum/neutron | 21:14 |
| lifeless | jog0: so,no - not oslo, unless we want to trigger all the integration/incubation questions up now | 21:14 |
| russellb | sure, real name to be decided before it's released/packaged | 21:14 |
| lifeless | mriedem: we can rename anytime in the next three months. | 21:14 |
| * n0ano I'm a developer, what's packaging :-) | 21:14 | |
| geekinutah | yes please, name change so bad | 21:14 |
| lifeless | n0ano: it's one way that users get your code :) | 21:14 |
| russellb | gantt! | 21:14 |
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| jog0 | lifeless: point taken, sorry for side tracking | 21:15 |
| lifeless | I'm fine with gantt | 21:15 |
| lifeless | I'll put the infra patch up today | 21:15 |
| lifeless | do we have volunteers to do the git filtering for the api server tree? | 21:15 |
| lifeless | I"ll do the client tree, I've it mostly canned here already anyhow | 21:15 |
| russellb | client tree is basically 1 file i think | 21:16 |
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| russellb | nova/scheduler/rpcapi.py | 21:16 |
| lifeless | russellb: yes, 95% will be cookiecutter stuff | 21:16 |
| n0ano | lifeless, if the work involved is well defined we should be able to get people to do it | 21:16 |
| lifeless | making it installable, tests for ietc. | 21:16 |
| russellb | and there's probably a nova/tests/scheduler/test_rpcapi.py | 21:16 |
| lifeless | n0ano: it's defined in the etherpad; I don't know if it's well enough defined | 21:16 |
| lifeless | russellb: right :) | 21:16 |
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| n0ano | lifeless, indeed, I guess we'll have to just start at some point in time | 21:17 |
| russellb | n0ano: yep ... and we'll have to periodically sync stuff ... it'll be a pain for a while | 21:17 |
| russellb | that's why we need people looking after it regularly until it's done | 21:17 |
| russellb | kinda like nova-volume -> cinder | 21:17 |
| lifeless | ok, so n0ano are you volunteering to do the git filter? | 21:17 |
| n0ano | lifeless, sure, either me or I can always delegate someone | 21:18 |
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| lifeless | heh :) - whatever works | 21:18 |
| * n0ano what did I just sign up for!! | 21:18 | |
| lifeless | n0ano: thanks! | 21:18 |
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| russellb | #note n0ano (or a delegate) to start working on the new scheduler git tree | 21:18 |
| russellb | :) | 21:18 |
| n0ano | lifeless, send me emails with any details you need if necessary | 21:18 |
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| russellb | it's in the meeting minutes, you have to now | 21:19 |
| shane-wang | n0ano: +1 | 21:19 |
| n0ano | russellb, NP | 21:19 |
| russellb | alright, let's move on | 21:19 |
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| russellb | melwitt: hey! python-novaclient | 21:19 |
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| russellb | anything on fire? | 21:19 |
| melwitt | haha no, fortunately | 21:19 |
| russellb | good. | 21:19 |
| melwitt | here is the weekly report: | 21:20 |
| melwitt | open bugs, 117 !fix released, 81 !fix committed | 21:20 |
| melwitt | 24 new bugs | 21:20 |
| melwitt | 0 high bugs | 21:20 |
| melwitt | 22 patches up, 7 are WIP, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/51136/ could use more reviewers | 21:20 |
| russellb | for API merged into nova it says, so should be fine | 21:20 |
| russellb | assuming code is sane | 21:20 |
| russellb | looks sane at a glance, i'll take another look afterwards | 21:21 |
| russellb | the count of new bugs is lower than i remember, you must have been working on cleaning that up :) | 21:21 |
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| melwitt | yes I have :) | 21:21 |
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| russellb | excellent! | 21:22 |
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| russellb | as usual, if anyone wants to help with novaclient tasks, please talk to melwitt ! | 21:22 |
| russellb | some bugs to be fixed i'm sure | 21:22 |
| russellb | melwitt: anything else you wanted to bring up today? | 21:23 |
| melwitt | no, I think that's it | 21:23 |
| russellb | great thanks | 21:23 |
| russellb | #topic bugs | 21:23 |
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| russellb | lifeless: any comments on nova bugs for today? | 21:23 |
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| lifeless | ruh roh | 21:23 |
| lifeless | so | 21:23 |
| russellb | ha | 21:23 |
| russellb | 200 New bugs | 21:23 |
| lifeless | I have some stats but it's not quite right yet | 21:23 |
| mriedem | 72 untagged | 21:23 |
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| * russellb has falled behind on tagging and could use some help | 21:24 | |
| dansmith | nice grammar | 21:24 |
| dansmith | I falled behind too | 21:24 |
| russellb | damn you | 21:24 |
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| jog0 | plenty of critical bugs too (I am to blame for most I think) | 21:24 |
| russellb | #note dansmith to catch us up on bug triage this week | 21:24 |
| dansmith | oof | 21:24 |
| russellb | #undo | 21:24 |
| lifeless | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/58903/ <- is the thing I have put together | 21:24 |
| openstack | Removing item from minutes: <ircmeeting.items.Topic object at 0x26be350> | 21:24 |
| dansmith | whew | 21:24 |
| lifeless | http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=vj4FuErC | 21:25 |
| russellb | it removed the topic, not the note ... wat | 21:25 |
| lifeless | russellb: LOL | 21:25 |
| mrodden | lolbug | 21:25 |
| lifeless | so my intent is to get this fixed this week, and be able to actually frame workloads sensibly. | 21:25 |
| russellb | oh well, yes, stats! | 21:25 |
| lifeless | Also, next week I'll have drafted a proposed update to the triage workflow | 21:25 |
| lifeless | so - I know I'm not crushing this, but I am working on it :) | 21:25 |
| mriedem | lifeless: thanks for working it | 21:26 |
| russellb | cool, appreciate the stats work, that's been a hole | 21:26 |
| russellb | and for anyone who has some bandwidth, our current process is: | 21:26 |
| lifeless | but if the stats are even vaguely right, we get from 30 to 80 bugs a week | 21:26 |
| mriedem | not crushing > nothing | 21:26 |
| russellb | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Nova/BugTriage | 21:26 |
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| lifeless | which is ~ 10 a day to do 'is this urgent or backburner' assessment on - which I think is a pretty light workload really | 21:26 |
| russellb | i wonder how many of those are devs filing right before they post a patch | 21:26 |
| lifeless | this is across both nova and novaclient | 21:26 |
| mriedem | russellb: i think that happens a lot | 21:27 |
| lifeless | should I report them separately? | 21:27 |
| russellb | well, the ones that go to In Progress immediately don't really need to be triaged in the same sense | 21:27 |
| russellb | i think | 21:27 |
| lifeless | russellb: Do we ask them to do that? Is it valuable? [agreed that in progress immediately isn't a triage burden] | 21:27 |
| mriedem | agreed, but priority isn't set either sometimes, or backport potential | 21:27 |
| russellb | mriedem: good point, so there's still some triage work to do | 21:28 |
| dansmith | I usually create it in Confirmed state if I know I've got a bug, but haven't yet got a patch | 21:28 |
| russellb | i retract my comment then | 21:28 |
| cyeoh | yea and sometimes they eventually ended up abandoned by the original developer so need to go back into triage | 21:28 |
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| russellb | cyeoh: true, that's one of the tasks listed on https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/BugTriage | 21:28 |
| mriedem | yeah, would be nice if launchpad had an expiration feature or something | 21:28 |
| russellb | though i don't know how often we make it past looking at the New ones ... | 21:28 |
| mriedem | or knew when the patch was abandoned so it could set the bug to confirmed or something | 21:28 |
| mriedem | or new | 21:28 |
| mriedem | we should automate that, right? | 21:28 |
| mrodden | probably | 21:29 |
| lifeless | mriedem: it does | 21:29 |
| mriedem | lifeless: after how long? | 21:29 |
| lifeless | mriedem: if a bug is marked incomplete with no follow on comments, and on one project, it will expire | 21:29 |
| mriedem | i've seen abandoned patches with in progress bugs long after they were abandoned | 21:29 |
| jog0 | while on bugs can we talk about some of the gate bugs? | 21:29 |
| mriedem | lifeless: ah, that's different | 21:29 |
| mriedem | bug is in progress but patch is abandoned | 21:29 |
| russellb | jog0: yep | 21:29 |
| mriedem | the bug doesn't change | 21:29 |
| lifeless | mriedem: but if we need a different policy it's an api script away. | 21:29 |
| lifeless | mriedem: oh, you want to unassign idle bugs? | 21:29 |
| jog0 | in short http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2013-December/021127.html | 21:29 |
| mriedem | lifeless: yeah | 21:30 |
| mriedem | something like that | 21:30 |
| cyeoh | lifeless: be nice if it had an auto-warn first | 21:30 |
| jog0 | we have a lot of bugs on that list and most don't have anyone working on them | 21:30 |
| lifeless | mriedem: sounds like an infra feature request. | 21:30 |
| cyeoh | (to the person it is assigned to) | 21:30 |
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| jog0 | including some neutron blocking bugs | 21:30 |
| lifeless | cyeoh: they can always toggle it back, it's non destructive | 21:30 |
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| jog0 | russellb: hopeing for some volunteers to fix some gate bugs | 21:31 |
| cyeoh | lifeless: yea was just thinking of avoiding races where someone else picks it up and ends up duplicating work already done | 21:31 |
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| russellb | alright guys, let's not leave jog0 hanging. who can help with some gate issues over the next week? | 21:31 |
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| russellb | (and really, it's all of openstack-dev, not just jog0) :-) | 21:31 |
| * jog0 can't he will be at two conferences | 21:31 | |
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| russellb | looks like most of it is nova+neutron | 21:32 |
| jog0 | yeah anda few nova + tempest | 21:32 |
| mriedem | crap, there was another one i opened last night that has been happening but wasn't reported, scheduler fail | 21:32 |
| jog0 | mriedem: that one isn't on the list yet but yeah | 21:32 |
| mriedem | phil day had a patch that should help at least make it more obvious in the logs when it fails | 21:32 |
| jog0 | I commented on it | 21:32 |
| mriedem | jog0: k, haven't read the bug emails yet | 21:32 |
| russellb | i wonder how to give more incentive to work on these ... | 21:33 |
| jog0 | mriedem: https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1257644 | 21:33 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1257644 in nova "gate-tempest-dsvm-postgres-full fails - unable to schedule instance" [Critical,Triaged] | 21:33 |
| lifeless | no other patches land until these fixed? | 21:33 |
| russellb | heh that's one way | 21:33 |
| jog0 | and we have libvirt still stacktracing all the time | 21:33 |
| lifeless | stop-the-line in LEAN terms | 21:33 |
| russellb | and i'm willing to use that hammer in desperate times | 21:33 |
| mriedem | jog0: is that the 'instance not found' libvirt stacktrace? | 21:33 |
| lifeless | russellb: Just a thought, but if the expectation is that that hammer will come out | 21:33 |
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| jog0 | russellb lifeless: we aren't there yet ( I think) | 21:33 |
| lifeless | russellb: perhaps folk will respond more quickly in non desperate times. | 21:33 |
| russellb | true | 21:34 |
| jog0 | mriedem: mriedem thats a different thing | 21:34 |
| jog0 | let me dig | 21:34 |
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| mrodden | might be worth a test run | 21:35 |
| jog0 | https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1255624 | 21:35 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1255624 in nova "libvirtError: Unable to read from monitor: Connection reset by peer" [Critical,Triaged] | 21:35 |
| mrodden | re: stop the line thing | 21:35 |
| jog0 | https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1254872 | 21:35 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1254872 in nova "libvirtError: Timed out during operation: cannot acquire state change lock" [Critical,Triaged] | 21:35 |
| russellb | i think if failure rates pass some really bad threshold we should do that | 21:35 |
| jog0 | it was 25% the other day | 21:35 |
| russellb | (the hammer) | 21:35 |
| jog0 | in gate not check | 21:35 |
| lifeless | Can we link MC Hammer in the email where you say it's happened? | 21:35 |
| russellb | thoughts on where the "stop everything" line should be? | 21:35 |
| russellb | sure | 21:35 |
| russellb | hammertime | 21:35 |
| * lifeless is satisfied | 21:35 | |
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| lifeless | mrodden: go on? | 21:36 |
| russellb | http://goo.gl/25j6nx | 21:36 |
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| mrodden | i think the idea is just no +A until we get criticals in gate fixed, threshold down etc. | 21:36 |
| jog0 | gate-tempest-dsvm-postgres-full = 20.00 failure rate as of now | 21:36 |
| mriedem | is there an idea of how fast these start to build up, i.e. once you hit a certain % it's exponential fails after that? | 21:37 |
| russellb | yeah, that's high | 21:37 |
| jog0 | so fixing gate issues is a several step process | 21:37 |
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| jog0 | 1) fingerprint the bug, and add to e-r | 21:37 |
| russellb | probably not (no more +A) high yet | 21:37 |
| jog0 | 2) identify root cause | 21:37 |
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| jog0 | 3) fix it | 21:37 |
| jog0 | step 1 is what I have been focusing on | 21:37 |
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| jog0 | step 2 and 3 are alot more work | 21:37 |
| mriedem | is 'reverify no bug' dead yet? | 21:37 |
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| russellb | jog0: hugely helpful, then people know which individual things to dive deep on | 21:38 |
| russellb | jog0: the libvirt things, danpb had some feedback on collecting more logs, any progress on that? | 21:38 |
| jog0 | russellb: been backed up so no | 21:38 |
| russellb | ok, not expecting you to do it, just asking in general | 21:38 |
| russellb | alright, well, work needed here, but let's move on for the meeting | 21:39 |
| russellb | #topic blueprints | 21:39 |
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| russellb | #link https://launchpad.net/nova/+milestone/icehouse-2 | 21:39 |
| jog0 | so gate pass rate= 80% right now | 21:39 |
| russellb | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/icehouse | 21:39 |
| russellb | 113 total icehouse blueprints right now | 21:39 |
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| dims | jog0, which jobs are failing consistently? | 21:40 |
| russellb | which already seems over our realistic velocity | 21:40 |
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| russellb | let's continue the gate chat in #openstack-nova | 21:40 |
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| dims | k | 21:40 |
| russellb | how that icehouse-1 is done, we need to get our icehouse-2 and icehouse-3 lists cleaned up | 21:40 |
| russellb | 87 blueprints on icehouse-2 | 21:40 |
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| russellb | which is *far* from realistic | 21:40 |
| shane-wang | if we get a lot of stuffs in rc2 or rc3, does that mean we will get a lot of bugs in the end? | 21:40 |
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| russellb | shane-wang: i'm not sure what you mean? | 21:41 |
| shane-wang | russellb: I mean do we need some time in rc to clean the bugs? | 21:41 |
| russellb | shane-wang: icehouse will be feature frozen after icehouse-3 | 21:41 |
| russellb | and there will be a number of weeks where only bug fixes can be merged | 21:41 |
| shane-wang | ok | 21:42 |
| russellb | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Icehouse_Release_Schedule | 21:42 |
| shane-wang | just a little worried. | 21:42 |
| russellb | from March 6 to April 17 | 21:42 |
| russellb | bug fixes only | 21:42 |
| shane-wang | good, thanks. | 21:42 |
| russellb | sure np | 21:42 |
| russellb | so, 40 blueprints still need some review attention | 21:42 |
| russellb | you can see it pretty well on the full icehouse list | 21:42 |
| russellb | anything not prioritized is still in the review process | 21:42 |
| jog0 | russellb: how do our plans change if we decide to unfreeze nova-network? | 21:43 |
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| russellb | Pending Approval (waiting on review), Review (waiting on submitter, but we need to follow up to check if updates have been posted) | 21:43 |
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| russellb | Drafting (not ready for review), Discussion (review pending some discussion in progress) | 21:43 |
| russellb | so any help on those is appreciated, and generally expected of nova-drivers :-) | 21:43 |
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| russellb | jog0: so, after icehouse-2 i'd like to have the nova-network discussion | 21:44 |
| russellb | our plans don't change *too* much at this point | 21:44 |
| russellb | other than we can accept more patches | 21:44 |
| cyeoh | jog0: we will have a bunch of v3 API work if we decide to support nova-network again, but I think it'll be manageable | 21:44 |
| russellb | cyeoh: great point. | 21:44 |
| jog0 | well lets hope it doesn't come to that | 21:44 |
| russellb | agreed | 21:44 |
| russellb | it seems they are making much better progress than pre-summit | 21:45 |
| russellb | so i remain optimistic that it won't come to that | 21:45 |
| lifeless | n0ano: whats your email address? | 21:45 |
| n0ano | lifeless, donald.d.dugger@intel.com | 21:45 |
| dansmith | russellb: I am not optimistic | 21:45 |
| russellb | if it does come to that, unfreezing nova-network will spawn a much more significant discussion about neutron that is beyond just nova | 21:45 |
| lifeless | n0ano: ack, thanks | 21:46 |
| russellb | so ... not for just us to work out the details | 21:46 |
| russellb | any specific blueprints anyone wants to cover? | 21:46 |
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| russellb | well, if you have stuff targeted at i2, please consider moving it to i3 if you don't think you'll have code in the next few weeks | 21:47 |
| russellb | #topic open discussion | 21:47 |
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| russellb | the agenda on the wiki had something for open discussion | 21:47 |
| russellb | mriedem: that was you right? | 21:47 |
| dansmith | upgrades are broken! | 21:47 |
| dansmith | oh | 21:47 |
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| mriedem | russellb: yeah | 21:47 |
| russellb | dansmith: but you're fixing them | 21:47 |
| russellb | dansmith: we can talk about that in a sec though | 21:48 |
| mriedem | russellb: ndipanov probably cares but don't see him here | 21:48 |
| mriedem | basically the ML thread on mox/mock, sounds like that's mainly sorted out | 21:48 |
| mriedem | use mock for new tests, move mox to mox3 over time, and there are exceptions to not using mock | 21:48 |
| mriedem | exceptionial cases sound like backports or big ugly hacks | 21:48 |
| mriedem | the other thing on the agenda i was pointing out was our plethora of hacking guides | 21:49 |
| russellb | yeah | 21:49 |
| mriedem | jog0 was cleaning up the keystone hacking guide to point at the global one | 21:49 |
| mriedem | i think we should do the same for nova | 21:49 |
| russellb | i thought we already point to the global one? | 21:49 |
| mriedem | i.e. nova/tests/README is super stale | 21:49 |
| russellb | and then have addition of our own nova specific rules | 21:49 |
| mriedem | yeah, but i think the nova-specific stuff might need to be reviewed again | 21:49 |
| russellb | OK | 21:49 |
| mriedem | nova/tests/README is it's own animal i htink | 21:49 |
| russellb | and I think you're talking about something more broad than what people generally think of when you say HACKING around here | 21:50 |
| russellb | you mean ... dev docs | 21:50 |
| mriedem | and last point being the horizon guys have a great testing guide | 21:50 |
| mriedem | yeah | 21:50 |
| russellb | there's also docs/source/devref/ | 21:50 |
| mriedem | well, there are wikis, devref, readmes, etc | 21:50 |
| russellb | yeah. | 21:50 |
| mriedem | it's everywhere | 21:50 |
| russellb | docs/source/devref/ should probably be where we focus right? | 21:50 |
| jog0 | ++ to streamlined dev docs | 21:50 |
| mriedem | i think we should try to get as much of that as possible into the global hacking docs (devref) | 21:50 |
| mriedem | yes | 21:50 |
| russellb | ok cool, that works for me | 21:50 |
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| russellb | I support this effort, heh | 21:50 |
| mriedem | and i think we want to integrate horizon's testing guide into the global hacking devref | 21:51 |
| mriedem | horizon has a great testing guide | 21:51 |
| mriedem | and then once that's done, we add our stance on mox/mock | 21:51 |
| * mriedem needs to breath | 21:51 | |
| russellb | you planning to work on this? | 21:51 |
| mriedem | christ, so.... | 21:51 |
| mriedem | i think i can get the ball rolling | 21:51 |
| jog0 | mriedem: I can get behind that idea, a little doc re-org is needed but very doable. | 21:51 |
| mriedem | ndipanov seems to be passionate about it | 21:51 |
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| russellb | so do you :) | 21:52 |
| mriedem | yeah, this isn't rocket science, just takes time to do it | 21:52 |
| mriedem | i care about it simply because i get tired of having to explain it in reviews | 21:52 |
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| russellb | shall i write a letter to your boss? we have work for you to do here | 21:52 |
| mriedem | i want to just point to a single location | 21:52 |
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| mriedem | plus it will be easier to tell people in a review 'sorry, use mock, link here' | 21:53 |
| russellb | works for me | 21:53 |
| mriedem | then it's not a question of my personal preference, it's dogma | 21:53 |
| russellb | don't think anyone would argue with this | 21:53 |
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| russellb | just need to do it :) | 21:53 |
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| mriedem | yeah, so i'll start to get some work items in place and then i (and maybe others) can help knock them off | 21:53 |
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| russellb | alright sounds good | 21:54 |
| russellb | dansmith: you're up | 21:54 |
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| dansmith | well, there's not much to say, really, but geekinutah broke live upgrades | 21:54 |
| dansmith | he broke them all to hell and back | 21:54 |
| russellb | haha | 21:54 |
| russellb | all his fault? | 21:55 |
| geekinutah | now youre backtracking | 21:55 |
| dansmith | of course, it wasn't his fault at all | 21:55 |
| geekinutah | lol | 21:55 |
| dansmith | but he DID break them | 21:55 |
| dansmith | anyway, basically just infrastructure that we don't have all worked out yet | 21:55 |
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| dansmith | I've got a set up that fixes it, but it'll require a teensy backport to havana in order to make it work | 21:55 |
| dansmith | however, with that, I'm back to being able to run tempest smoke against a deployment on master with havana compute nodes | 21:56 |
| russellb | did you have to hack rpc too? | 21:56 |
| russellb | to make your test work? | 21:56 |
| dansmith | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+branch:master+topic:object_compat,n,z | 21:56 |
| dansmith | if anyone is interested | 21:56 |
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| russellb | related: https://review.openstack.org/60361 and https://review.openstack.org/60362 | 21:56 |
| russellb | posted 3 seconds ago | 21:56 |
| dansmith | russellb: no, I see some like cert or console fails, but they're not blockers | 21:56 |
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| dansmith | russellb: so that set, with the conductor fix backported to havana makes it all work | 21:56 |
| russellb | dansmith: oh, hm, i guess it's just a mixed havana-icehouse compute node env that broke? | 21:57 |
| russellb | i guess that's right | 21:57 |
| dansmith | russellb: right, that's the big breakage, which doesn't affect me | 21:57 |
| russellb | you just can't have both at the same time right now ^^^ without those fixes | 21:57 |
| dansmith | right | 21:57 |
| russellb | k | 21:57 |
| russellb | and then your object magic | 21:57 |
| russellb | and the gate job | 21:58 |
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| russellb | hey guys, live upgrades are hard | 21:58 |
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| dansmith | yeah, we really need the gate job, | 21:58 |
| dansmith | but at least I have a one-button "are we broke or not" thing I can check until then | 21:58 |
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| dansmith | that is all | 21:58 |
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| geekinutah | so next time I break things I'll have to fix them :-)? | 21:59 |
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| dansmith | geekinutah: next time you break them, I quit :) | 21:59 |
| russellb | alright, we're about out of time | 21:59 |
| russellb | thank you all for your time! | 21:59 |
| russellb | #endmeeting | 21:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 21:59 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Dec 5 21:59:33 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2013/nova.2013-12-05-21.03.html | 21:59 |
| jog0 | once I have a minute, I will work on getting that test into grenade | 21:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2013/nova.2013-12-05-21.03.txt | 21:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2013/nova.2013-12-05-21.03.log.html | 21:59 |
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