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| johnthetubaguy | #startmeeting XenAPI | 15:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jan 22 15:01:55 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is johnthetubaguy. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: XenAPI)" | 15:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'xenapi' | 15:01 |
| johnthetubaguy | hi everyone | 15:02 |
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| johnthetubaguy | who is around today? | 15:02 |
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| leifz | hello | 15:02 |
| thouveng | hello | 15:02 |
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| johnthetubaguy | leifz: this is your first time right? want to give yourself a quick intro | 15:02 |
| BobBall | sorry for being late | 15:02 |
| johnthetubaguy | BobBall: we were just saying hello to each other | 15:02 |
| BobBall | Hello! | 15:03 |
| johnthetubaguy | we have leifz join us | 15:03 |
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| BobBall | we've just had a fire alarm | 15:03 |
| BobBall | Mate will be joining us shortly I'm sure | 15:03 |
| johnthetubaguy | lol, perfect timing! | 15:03 |
| leifz | Actually it's leif as in Christopher Lefelhocz from Rackspace. I was on last week :-) | 15:03 |
| BobBall | but it's messed up our schedule so I'm sure he's not had his reminder! | 15:03 |
| leifz | And most of you already know me :-). | 15:03 |
| johnthetubaguy | its quite risky in your building, not sure those stairs will take everyone all at once | 15:03 |
| BobBall | Last week you did have a very obvious nickname though leifz ... Guestxxyxyz or something ;) | 15:03 |
| leifz | Been at the Rack for 6 months working with John on whatever he decies is relevant :-) | 15:03 |
| johnthetubaguy | lol, OK, so I didn't make it last week, but was probably in the same room as you, or maybe I was in a car, don't remember | 15:04 |
| johnthetubaguy | anyways | 15:04 |
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| johnthetubaguy | lets get on with it | 15:04 |
| johnthetubaguy | #topic blueprints | 15:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "blueprints (Meeting topic: XenAPI)" | 15:04 | |
| leifz | in a car getting coffee. | 15:04 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, getting coffee, that sounds like what I would have been doing | 15:05 |
| johnthetubaguy | anyways | 15:05 |
| johnthetubaguy | hows the blueprints going? | 15:05 |
| thouveng | I pushed a change to add mechanism to attach a pci device to a VM | 15:05 |
| BobBall | The only BP going is thouveng's | 15:05 |
| thouveng | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/67125 | 15:05 |
| johnthetubaguy | PCI passthrough folks seemed a bit worried we were not talking to them | 15:05 |
| johnthetubaguy | I had the resize up of ephemeral disks blueprint merge this week | 15:05 |
| BobBall | I had a chat with ijw about it all | 15:05 |
| BobBall | he seemed quite happy | 15:06 |
| BobBall | will tell us as/when changes that affect drivers land | 15:06 |
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| BobBall | but the vast majority of the changes don't affect driver-world | 15:06 |
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| johnthetubaguy | so, I would love that to not be a new step, because it changes the percentage progress, but looks like a good start | 15:06 |
| thouveng | On my side I have not a strong opinion about what should be done :( | 15:06 |
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| johnthetubaguy | yeah, we don't need to worry about what they are up to | 15:06 |
| johnthetubaguy | its all driver side, like Bob said | 15:07 |
| thouveng | Ok I can remove the @step decorator. | 15:07 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, its just we have 10 steps at the moment | 15:07 |
| BobBall | why do we care about the percentage progress john? | 15:07 |
| BobBall | oh... so you get nice numbers haha | 15:07 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah | 15:07 |
| BobBall | you could always have the RAX rounding to the closest 10% ;) | 15:07 |
| johnthetubaguy | its really not accurate, so I kinda like the rounding | 15:07 |
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| johnthetubaguy | yeah, we should probably get the API to do that, or change the code | 15:08 |
| johnthetubaguy | but I kinda like it | 15:08 |
| johnthetubaguy | so... | 15:08 |
| matel | Hello | 15:08 |
| matel | Sorry for being late, I had a meeting. | 15:08 |
| BobBall | We could indeed change the API... I think the more steps the better | 15:08 |
| BobBall | finer grained reporting is better than chunky :) | 15:09 |
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| johnthetubaguy | true, but it all lies right now | 15:09 |
| BobBall | Anyway - without the API rounding, I have no view on the number of steps | 15:09 |
| BobBall | which step would you like it merged with john? | 15:09 |
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| johnthetubaguy | yeah, I guess attach_disks could become attach_devices | 15:09 |
| johnthetubaguy | setup_network attaches vifs though | 15:10 |
| johnthetubaguy | but its close | 15:10 |
| BobBall | ok - so rename attach_disks and put the PCI stuff in there | 15:10 |
| thouveng | it is ok for me | 15:10 |
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| johnthetubaguy | cool | 15:11 |
| johnthetubaguy | one more quick thing | 15:12 |
| johnthetubaguy | I would but all that code into a vm_utils method, rather than it sitting in vm_ops | 15:12 |
| johnthetubaguy | it will be way easier to test that way | 15:12 |
| johnthetubaguy | anyways, its minor stuff | 15:12 |
| johnthetubaguy | any more on blueprints? | 15:13 |
| thouveng | just a question | 15:13 |
| BobBall | last week we agreed this would be re-targeted to I-3 | 15:13 |
| johnthetubaguy | sure | 15:13 |
| thouveng | should I open them for review as bob said? | 15:13 |
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| johnthetubaguy | sure, its easier than draft | 15:13 |
| johnthetubaguy | there is a "Work in progress" button if its not ready | 15:14 |
| thouveng | ok I will do that thanks | 15:14 |
| BobBall | I think the base patch is ready | 15:14 |
| johnthetubaguy | once there are unit tests up for your code, I would go out of draft | 15:14 |
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| BobBall | the attach patch doesn't have a test | 15:14 |
| thouveng | Yes the attach patch is a work in progress | 15:14 |
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| johnthetubaguy | yeah, just have it non-draft but marked as work-in-progress | 15:14 |
| johnthetubaguy | its easier that way | 15:15 |
| thouveng | ok, that's all for me | 15:15 |
| johnthetubaguy | I have a few minor blueprints up for review, but nothing worth pointing out | 15:15 |
| johnthetubaguy | so, lets move on... | 15:15 |
| johnthetubaguy | #topic QA | 15:15 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "QA (Meeting topic: XenAPI)" | 15:15 | |
| johnthetubaguy | hows the zuul work coming on | 15:16 |
| johnthetubaguy | we are very very close to the wire here | 15:16 |
| ijw | My ears are burning. | 15:16 |
| johnthetubaguy | ijw: don't panic, just saying XenAPI PCI passthrough stuff should not affect the stuff you guys are doing | 15:17 |
| johnthetubaguy | BobBall: do we have an update on Zuul stuff | 15:17 |
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| BobBall | :D | 15:17 |
| ijw | Yeah, no trouble, if you want me for AOB I'm around, finish your stuff | 15:17 |
| BobBall | matel first | 15:17 |
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| matel | Oh, Ok. | 15:18 |
| matel | nodepool: Need to test changes + Have to make sure, we give some time for the VM to shut down before we snapshotting it. | 15:18 |
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| matel | localrc: I am working on it atm, this is the branch: https://github.com/matelakat/devstack-gate/tree/xenserver-integration | 15:18 |
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| johnthetubaguy | OK, do we have tempest running on some virtualized XenServer now, like statically? | 15:19 |
| matel | I am hoping to reach a successful test run this week. | 15:19 |
| johnthetubaguy | matel: that would be totally awesome | 15:19 |
| matel | explain statically | 15:19 |
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| johnthetubaguy | erm, create a XenServer VM in rax cloud, then manually run tempest on that setup | 15:19 |
| matel | So here is what it looks like: | 15:20 |
| matel | I have some scripts here: https://github.com/citrix-openstack/xenapi-os-testing | 15:20 |
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| matel | These are "emulating" nodepool - according to my best knowledge | 15:20 |
| johnthetubaguy | but do you have tempest inside a XenServer in the rackspace cloud running now? | 15:21 |
| johnthetubaguy | oh, emulating nodepool is good too | 15:21 |
| matel | Yes of course. | 15:21 |
| johnthetubaguy | how long did that take? | 15:21 |
| matel | It is running tempest. | 15:21 |
| johnthetubaguy | full tempest that is? | 15:21 |
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| matel | I don't have measures yet, because the tests were failing - apparently there were some iptables rules in the node, that prevented dom0 to talk back to the domu | 15:22 |
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| matel | Wait a minute, I might have something. | 15:22 |
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| matel | https://github.com/citrix-openstack/xenapi-os-testing/issues/5 | 15:22 |
| matel | But as I said, this test run involves loads of timeouts. | 15:22 |
| matel | Ran 279 tests in 1997.157s | 15:23 |
| matel | FAILED (failures=6, skipped=58) | 15:23 |
| matel | This is a smoke run. | 15:23 |
| johnthetubaguy | oh boy, thats smoke | 15:23 |
| johnthetubaguy | well lets hope some long timeouts bloated the running time | 15:23 |
| matel | So the other issue is that the ephemeral storage can't be used from the HVM machine. | 15:23 |
| johnthetubaguy | ah right, because its device id is too high | 15:23 |
| matel | So that could be an issue, but let's hope, it won't. | 15:23 |
| matel | I just did another smoke run: | 15:24 |
| matel | Ran 284 tests in 2214.197s | 15:24 |
| matel | FAILED (failures=6, skipped=59) | 15:24 |
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| johnthetubaguy | OK, so getting close | 15:24 |
| johnthetubaguy | thats awesome stuff | 15:24 |
| matel | So, let me summarize the todos: | 15:25 |
| johnthetubaguy | cool | 15:25 |
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| BobBall | Also note that gate has been very flakely lately | 15:25 |
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| BobBall | and at least one of those failures is the one that gate kept hitting | 15:26 |
| BobBall | that was fixed yesterday(?) - the BFV patterns test | 15:26 |
| matel | 1.) Update config patches, 2.) Test nodepool 3.) Make sure nodepool snapshots a stopped VM 4.) localrc (devstack-gate) | 15:26 |
| johnthetubaguy | BobBall: yes, true, kinda nice to see the same failures though | 15:26 |
| BobBall | ofc | 15:26 |
| johnthetubaguy | matel: good summary, thanks | 15:26 |
| johnthetubaguy | for marketing reasons, can you do a blog post on this after you get the first full run in your simulated environment, then post that to the dev mailing lists with the [Nova] tag? | 15:27 |
| johnthetubaguy | particular if thats towards the end of the week | 15:28 |
| johnthetubaguy | anyways, lets move on | 15:28 |
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| johnthetubaguy | #topic Open Discussion | 15:28 |
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| BobBall | I'm starting to look at nodepool btw | 15:28 |
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| johnthetubaguy | any other things people want to raise? | 15:28 |
| BobBall | Mate has a partial setup - but I'm crossing the I's and dotting the T.s | 15:29 |
| BobBall | It's a fallback because the -infra team are being very slow with their reviews | 15:29 |
| johnthetubaguy | that sounds like a good plan, test things to see how it hangs together | 15:29 |
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| BobBall | so we might have to run a nodepool and watch the gerrit stream ourselves, running in our RS account rather than the -infra one | 15:29 |
| ijw | On the PCI, the driver end of thing will change pci_whitelist and the stats reporting on the driver end of things, as a headsup. If you implement a new VIF plugging type, you get PCI for Neutron. The rest should be much as before. | 15:29 |
| matel | Realistically, I think we are speaking about weeks. | 15:29 |
| BobBall | thanks ijw | 15:30 |
| ijw | johnthetubaguy and I are not in agreement on the implementation but the bits in dispute don't change the effects on the driver end. | 15:30 |
| BobBall | johnthetubaguy: worth calling out your API patch? | 15:31 |
| johnthetubaguy | ijw: agreed | 15:31 |
| johnthetubaguy | which patch was that? | 15:32 |
| johnthetubaguy | I loose track | 15:32 |
| BobBall | the one we were discussing | 15:32 |
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| BobBall | can't find it now | 15:33 |
| BobBall | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/66493/ | 15:33 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, I don't remember what it was about now | 15:33 |
| johnthetubaguy | oh damm, yes | 15:33 |
| johnthetubaguy | thanks | 15:33 |
| johnthetubaguy | Its an idea Bob had for making the session code a bit easier to write, then I mangled the idea in my head, and came up with the above patch | 15:34 |
| johnthetubaguy | ideas welcome on that, before I try and convert over all the calls to XenAPI into the new format | 15:34 |
| johnthetubaguy | it will be lots of patches, not one massive patch, just FYI | 15:34 |
| BobBall | Two main aims were to make it easier to test and having auto complete in vi pick up the methods ;) | 15:35 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, and I kinda want it easier to discover what xenapi calls other people already make, and make it easy to find workaround, like the ones to VBD.unplug, etc | 15:36 |
| thouveng | cool :) I will have a closer look. | 15:36 |
| johnthetubaguy | #help please give feedback on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/66493/ before all the follow up patches get uploaded | 15:36 |
| johnthetubaguy | cool, any more for any more? | 15:36 |
| BobBall | matel: will you look too? :) | 15:37 |
| BobBall | yes | 15:37 |
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| BobBall | could you poke some of your core buddies johnthetubaguy ? | 15:37 |
| johnthetubaguy | I want to test if not encrypting images make it faster to download: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/68363/ | 15:37 |
| johnthetubaguy | BobBall: yeah, I should do | 15:37 |
| matel | BobBall: Ok. | 15:37 |
| BobBall | the performance patches that you said you wanted to get in are dangling again | 15:37 |
| johnthetubaguy | BobBall: whats up, need +A and +2, or just got rebased? | 15:38 |
| BobBall | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/58754/ | 15:38 |
| BobBall | might just need re-+a | 15:38 |
| BobBall | oh no | 15:38 |
| johnthetubaguy | I will take a peek | 15:38 |
| BobBall | one +a from matt dietz - so you could push it through | 15:38 |
| BobBall | if you're happy of course ;) | 15:39 |
| BobBall | the others in the stream all have a +a but have been rebased I think (tick means approved, right?) | 15:39 |
| johnthetubaguy | I +2 ed it in the past, so I suspect it will just take a quick look | 15:39 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, a tick needs to be in the approve column though | 15:40 |
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| BobBall | it is for 3 of the patches | 15:40 |
| johnthetubaguy | if you can rebase them all right now, I can take a look in 5 mins and see how they look? | 15:40 |
| BobBall | I'll rebase, sure | 15:40 |
| johnthetubaguy | thanks | 15:40 |
| johnthetubaguy | justs make sure they are not going to fail in the gate for silly reasons | 15:40 |
| johnthetubaguy | since the gate is so dam fragile | 15:40 |
| BobBall | it's joyous isn't it | 15:41 |
| ijw | At this point in time, more so than usual, they've been talking about gate problems all day | 15:41 |
| BobBall | wow | 15:41 |
| BobBall | 104 in the gate | 15:41 |
| BobBall | not worth +A'ing | 15:41 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, true | 15:41 |
| BobBall | maybe we'll check again tomorrow :) but better to keep gate churn down | 15:42 |
| johnthetubaguy | its like icehouse-2 cut soon right | 15:42 |
| BobBall | I'm surprised they haven't purged the +A queue! | 15:42 |
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| johnthetubaguy | sure, I will remember to get back to your patches when the queue is below 50 or something! | 15:42 |
| BobBall | I'll rebase now anyway | 15:42 |
| ijw | i2 is Friday, I think? | 15:43 |
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| ijw | But yes, imminent | 15:43 |
| BobBall | did you want those patches in I-2? guess it doesn't matter with you guys doing continuous deployment stuff | 15:43 |
| ijw | Mad, mad fools | 15:44 |
| ijw | ;) | 15:44 |
| johnthetubaguy | well, I kinda wanted it soon, after I-2 is fine | 15:44 |
| BobBall | could do with +A too *grin* gotta love a broken gate. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/63778/ | 15:44 |
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| johnthetubaguy | ijw: well if you make frequent change, its easier to find what you broke | 15:45 |
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| johnthetubaguy | cool, so any more for any more? | 15:46 |
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| matel | Nope | 15:46 |
| BobBall | not this week | 15:46 |
| johnthetubaguy | sweet | 15:46 |
| thouveng | no | 15:46 |
| johnthetubaguy | talk to you all next week | 15:46 |
| BobBall | next week I hope to have news on both nodepool and xs-c on debian! | 15:46 |
| johnthetubaguy | :) | 15:47 |
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| johnthetubaguy | #endmeeting | 15:47 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jan 22 15:47:09 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:47 |
| BobBall | and Mate will have fixed the world. | 15:47 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/xenapi/2014/xenapi.2014-01-22-15.01.html | 15:47 |
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| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/xenapi/2014/xenapi.2014-01-22-15.01.txt | 15:47 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/xenapi/2014/xenapi.2014-01-22-15.01.log.html | 15:47 |
| ijw | johnthetubaguy: I envy your devtest, that's the main thing - sadly our Openstack team is rather smaller. | 15:47 |
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| johnthetubaguy | ijw: yeah, I never tried it with a small team, not sure if it works the same way there too | 15:50 |
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| ijw | It would work fine but if you're all fully occupied it's difficult to find extra resources to set it up; an economy of scale | 15:57 |
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| avishay | hi all, sorry i'm late | 16:05 |
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| thingee | avishay: you're not the only one :) | 16:05 |
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| thingee | still waiting for jgriffith | 16:06 |
| avishay | thingee: well then i'm not sorry!! :) | 16:06 |
| caitlin56 | So are people sluggish or is irc sluggish? | 16:06 |
| jungleboyj | People are sluggish. Hard to move after so many days of subzero temps. ;-) | 16:06 |
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| hemna | subzero temps? It's 70 degrees! | 16:07 |
| avishay | jungleboyj: it's in the 70s here... i'm sure thingee is ok too | 16:07 |
| avishay | hemna: :) | 16:07 |
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| thingee | 57 here | 16:07 |
| jungleboyj | It is 7 degrees out and the low is going to be -17 tonight. | 16:07 |
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| thingee | nice running weather :) | 16:08 |
| avishay | thingee: wow | 16:08 |
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| thingee | so there is no meeting agenda set | 16:08 |
| jungleboyj | thingee: You guys just had anice warm streak right after we left SF last week. | 16:09 |
| avishay | thingee: i-2 i guess, cert test update? | 16:09 |
| thingee | was in seattle over the weekend. was wearing layers...anything below 50 :) | 16:09 |
| hemna | ok off to take the kids to school. | 16:09 |
| jungleboyj | thingee: He he. | 16:10 |
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| kmartin | while we're waiting... does anyone know any requirement cores that give this the final push https://review.openstack.org/#/c/65179/ | 16:13 |
| kmartin | it's holding up the LeftHand driver from landing in I2 | 16:13 |
| avishay | kmartin: maybe in #openstack-dev? | 16:13 |
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| thingee | I don't really have much to say to warrant starting the meeting myself. | 16:14 |
| thingee | We have quite a bit in review https://launchpad.net/cinder/+milestone/icehouse-2 | 16:14 |
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| kmartin | avishay: I've been asking for a few days and no luck | 16:14 |
| avishay | thingee: there are some API patches that i'd feel more comfortable with you looking at | 16:15 |
| avishay | kmartin: :( | 16:15 |
| thingee | I'm guilty of this as well, but I would just ask for folks to focus on those patches and not fill the queue with things not targeted | 16:15 |
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| avishay | kmartin: gave it a +1 to bump it to the top of the list... | 16:16 |
| thingee | so I'll be working on reviews all day today and trying to get those through | 16:16 |
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| kmartin | avishay: thanks | 16:16 |
| thingee | anyone else got time to spare today? | 16:16 |
| coolsvap | i can | 16:16 |
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| avishay | already did a bunch...some were API-heavy and i preferred to pass | 16:17 |
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| avishay | thingee: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/62216/ | 16:17 |
| avishay | that one in particular | 16:18 |
| thingee | ok so it's just avishay, coolsvap and I :) | 16:18 |
| thingee | maybe jgriffith's dog | 16:18 |
| jungleboyj | I will try to get through some reviews today. I have just been swamped lately. | 16:18 |
| jbernard | thingee: ill try to chip in as well | 16:18 |
| thingee | jungleboyj, jbernard: awesome. any little bit on those targeted helps. | 16:18 |
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| thingee | the sooner we get those reviewed and through this big queue, the sooner we sleep. :) | 16:19 |
| jbernard | ill drag eharney in as well | 16:19 |
| jungleboyj | thingee: :-) | 16:19 |
| thingee | that | 16:19 |
| avishay | i don't remember ever having so many patches waiting for cinder | 16:19 |
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| avishay | jbernard: if eharney could look at the LVM-related ones especially that would be great | 16:20 |
| thingee | that's all I got. I'll leave jgriffith to talk about cert test stuff next time. Anyone else have something they want to mention? | 16:20 |
| jbernard | avishay: will do | 16:20 |
| eharney | are there LVM reviews up i haven't caught yet? | 16:20 |
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| avishay | jbernard: gracias | 16:20 |
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| vincent_hou | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/67012/ | 16:21 |
| jungleboyj | I will go get some reviews done now before I get dragged into other stuff. | 16:21 |
| eharney | i know the "does this new LVM extend thing break tempest" one still needs some thought | 16:21 |
| vincent_hou | Need you guys to review as well. | 16:21 |
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| jbernard | eharney: is that still pending? | 16:21 |
| eharney | jbernard: the test is disabled, so, not on an emergency basis at this point. but we need to figure out what the deal is, i think... | 16:21 |
| avishay | eharney: yea, that one, and this one has a pending comment from Ayal: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/62035/ | 16:21 |
| eharney | avishay: uhy... i apparently have some draft comments that never posted for that review | 16:22 |
| avishay | we definitely need to figure it out...if it breaks in test it will probably break for a user :) | 16:22 |
| avishay | eharney: gotcha | 16:22 |
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| eharney | avishay: iirc it's basically ready and his comments pointed out another whole thing that will be a follow-up patch (around LV activation in general, not snapshots) | 16:23 |
| eharney | avishay: but will review again | 16:23 |
| avishay | eharney: ok | 16:23 |
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| thingee | alright then, seeya all on #openstack-cinder. | 16:24 |
| avishay | i think most of us aren't LVM experts so we rely on you and jgriffith for those +2s :) | 16:24 |
| avishay | yea, we can move to #openstack-cinder... | 16:25 |
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| hartsocks | #startmeeting vmwareapi | 17:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jan 22 17:02:33 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is hartsocks. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:02 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: vmwareapi)" | 17:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'vmwareapi' | 17:02 |
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| hartsocks | hey folks, had my head in another meeting. | 17:02 |
| hartsocks | Who's around? | 17:02 |
| rgerganov | hi | 17:02 |
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| browne | hi, Eric's here | 17:03 |
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| hartsocks | today might be a light day… lots of folks are busy with other things today... | 17:04 |
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| garyk | hi | 17:05 |
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| hartsocks | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/VMwareAPI#Agenda | 17:06 |
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| hartsocks | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Icehouse_Release_Schedule | 17:07 |
| hartsocks | So the icehouse 2 deadline is tomorrow. | 17:07 |
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| hartsocks | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/vmware-subteam-icehouse-2 | 17:08 |
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| hartsocks | Last meeting I know I said we'd spend some time on bugs, but ... | 17:08 |
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| hartsocks | garyk, how's your BP looking "vmware-hot-plug" for icehouse-2? | 17:08 |
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| garyk | hartsocks: it was completed 2 weeks ago and is waiting for review | 17:09 |
| garyk | all of the bluepreints that i was working on for i-2 were completed at the beginning of the month | 17:09 |
| hartsocks | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/vmware-hot-plug | 17:09 |
| garyk | they occasionally have rebases but no chnages | 17:09 |
| hartsocks | you're currently targeted at icehouse-3 | 17:09 |
| hartsocks | Is that new? | 17:09 |
| garyk | i did not change it. maybe russellb went over all of the bps. not sure though | 17:10 |
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| hartsocks | I'm targeted for icehouse-3 as well on autowsdl-repair… so that would be my guess. | 17:10 |
| garyk | i think that the problem that we have with these bps is we do not have core reviewers who are sponsoring us | 17:11 |
| hartsocks | pretty much. | 17:11 |
| russellb | correct | 17:11 |
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| russellb | i deferred everything not merged | 17:11 |
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| russellb | as i-2 was getting cut today | 17:11 |
| russellb | garyk: over 90% of the blueprints don't have core sponsors fwiw ... the sponsor thing isn't really being done at all. just making sure you know you're not singled out | 17:12 |
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| garyk | russellb: thanks for the clarification | 17:13 |
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| hartsocks | russellb: I think there was a fair bit of other stuff going on in i-2 anyway around gate and performance issues... | 17:13 |
| russellb | yes | 17:13 |
| garyk | i just hope that they get a few review cycles. some are features for parity | 17:13 |
| russellb | quite a small number of bps made it | 17:13 |
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| hartsocks | russellb: is there anything we can do to try and help get more reviews through? | 17:13 |
| garyk | did the network objects at least make it or will they be in the gate for the next month (it is about 3 days to get on once approved) | 17:14 |
| russellb | not that i can think of really | 17:14 |
| russellb | network objects are not merged | 17:14 |
| garyk | :( | 17:14 |
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| russellb | we're trying really hard to fix the gate | 17:15 |
| russellb | that's primary focus for me | 17:15 |
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| garyk | not if it is worth anything but the minesweeper has been pretty stable the last few days - we had some hiccups last week. | 17:15 |
| russellb | definitely worth something :) | 17:15 |
| russellb | that's good to hear | 17:15 |
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| russellb | you're ahead of the pack on that | 17:15 |
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| hartsocks | I did get an update that the Minesweeper guys are ready to turn on −0 voting this week. | 17:16 |
| hartsocks | So, much kudos to our Minesweeper team. They have been working nights and weekends. | 17:16 |
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| garyk | i think there was a mail on the list not to have the third party ci's do −1's etc | 17:16 |
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| hartsocks | I used the phrase "-0" | 17:17 |
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| hartsocks | to indicate that it would be a "-1" but we're not doing −1 yet. | 17:17 |
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| garyk | ok | 17:17 |
| hartsocks | It's a "not positive" result. | 17:17 |
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| hartsocks | … also as trivia if memory serves you can have a Floating point with a −0 representation in IEEE notation... | 17:17 |
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| hartsocks | even though a negative sign doesn't make sense on a 0. | 17:18 |
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| hartsocks | okay so there's nothing to discuss on BP this round. | 17:18 |
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| hartsocks | I was waiting for i-2 to pass before I tried cutting code on the service validation BP for Nova. | 17:19 |
| garyk | just a quick update regarding the oslo progress. | 17:19 |
| garyk | vipin has broken the patch up into a number of small ones. | 17:19 |
| hartsocks | Vipin has broken his patch into 3 parts... | 17:19 |
| hartsocks | Oh… :-) | 17:19 |
| hartsocks | you wanted to give the update. | 17:19 |
| garyk | that is, the patch set for the common vmware driver code shared by cinder, nova, glance and soon to be ceilometer | 17:19 |
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| hartsocks | There was some talk about making the Oslo incubated code a regular library. | 17:20 |
| hartsocks | I'm not sure what that means. | 17:20 |
| hartsocks | I know it means we get to test the code in the gate as opposed to moving through incubation. | 17:20 |
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| hartsocks | Anybody here have anything to comment on that? | 17:21 |
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| hartsocks | I take the silence as a no comment. | 17:22 |
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| hartsocks | Anyone from Glance or Cinder here? | 17:22 |
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| kirankv | Can you paste the patch set link for moving common driver code? | 17:23 |
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| hartsocks | 1 sec... | 17:23 |
| hartsocks | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/oslo/+spec/vmware-api | 17:23 |
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| hartsocks | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bp/vmware-api,n,z | 17:23 |
| kirankv | Thanks | 17:23 |
| garyk | you can look at https://review.openstack.org/#/dashboard/9171 that has the patches posted by vipin | 17:23 |
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| hartsocks | kirankv: looks like this is also i-3 at the soonest. | 17:24 |
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| hartsocks | Any other BP we can talk about? | 17:25 |
| kirankv | hartsocks: Thanks | 17:26 |
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| hartsocks | #topic bugs | 17:26 |
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| hartsocks | So, bugs still targeted at i-2 | 17:26 |
| hartsocks | #link http://goo.gl/Qhe5Lt | 17:27 |
| hartsocks | … that was a nasty query | 17:27 |
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| rgerganov | I got merge approval for #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1252400 and then I had to rebase :( | 17:28 |
| garyk | what is good is that they are all in progress | 17:28 |
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| hartsocks | hmm... | 17:29 |
| garyk | which means that they need reviews | 17:29 |
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| hartsocks | Yeah. Pretty much *no* progress. | 17:29 |
| rgerganov | why do you lost approvals if there are no conflicts for rebase? | 17:29 |
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| hartsocks | rgerganov: if I remember correctly... | 17:30 |
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| garyk | rgerganov: if the rebase is trivial then jenkins add in the reviews | 17:30 |
| garyk | feel free to ping the guys who reviewed and approved the code. | 17:30 |
| rgerganov | garyk, ok I will do that | 17:30 |
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| rgerganov | it is a trivial fix sitting for 3 months ... | 17:30 |
| hartsocks | okay, I don't type fast enough. That's all I was going to say. :-) | 17:31 |
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| garyk | most of the rebasing was my fault - i changed the test file names. humble apoligies | 17:31 |
| rgerganov | garyk, yes that was the reason for rebase | 17:31 |
| rgerganov | but I didn't get any conflicts | 17:31 |
| garyk | sorry | 17:31 |
| rgerganov | I wonder why this is not considered "trivial" by Jenkins | 17:31 |
| hartsocks | my guess is the patch's hash changed. | 17:32 |
| garyk | you couls always as on #openstack-infra - sure somethere will be able to explain or fix if it is a bug :) | 17:32 |
| garyk | fungi or joe gordon ,ay know | 17:33 |
| hartsocks | well… the trivial rebase code is here: | 17:33 |
| hartsocks | https://www.codeaurora.org/patches/quic/la/gerrit/trivial_rebase.py | 17:34 |
| hartsocks | so… the precise reason is somewhere in that… :-) | 17:34 |
| hartsocks | "'identical' (determined via git-patch-id) and reapply reviews onto the new" | 17:34 |
| hartsocks | git-patch-id is a hash of your patch's contents… so… if 1 character changes… different hash. | 17:35 |
| hartsocks | it's not very smart :-( | 17:35 |
| rgerganov | the review process is a real pain IMO | 17:35 |
| rgerganov | hartsocks, thanks for explaining this though | 17:36 |
| garyk | rgerganov: it has its advantages and disadvantages | 17:36 |
| hartsocks | Nova's currently got some problems that unfortunately affect the whole stack and as far as I can tell that's soaking up a *lot* of attention right now. | 17:36 |
| garyk | basic rule of thumb - is review and your code will be reviewed | 17:36 |
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| garyk | a few cycles ago i think that vish would joke and say a bp would be approved if someone would give x reviews | 17:37 |
| hartsocks | about all we can do is review each other's code. | 17:38 |
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| hartsocks | I would encourage the team to also review code outside the drivers. | 17:38 |
| hartsocks | We should also be building skills so that we can eventually help with the Nova level bugs that are putting the gate in trouble. | 17:38 |
| hartsocks | #topic open discussion | 17:39 |
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| hartsocks | Since were' there in open discussion anyhow. | 17:39 |
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| hartsocks | i-2 was pretty unsatisfying. | 17:39 |
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| hartsocks | Personally I looked at this SSH timeout bug a few weeks ago. I know garyk also looked at a few weeks after me. I was never able to make any progress. How did that go? | 17:40 |
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| garyk | i posted 2 patches which would help isolate the issues. they are still in review | 17:41 |
| hartsocks | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/nova-gate-issue-tracking | 17:41 |
| garyk | i also posted one which break the gate for neutron - still in review…. | 17:41 |
| hartsocks | garyk: how do you know your patch fixes the issue? | 17:41 |
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| garyk | i did not say that they fix problems, they help identify problems. | 17:42 |
| hartsocks | garyk: okay. | 17:42 |
| garyk | say for example with the ssh - we know if the server or the guest networking is the problem | 17:42 |
| garyk | it is mainly the wiring of the guests that causes the problems | 17:42 |
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| garyk | problem with the gate is that there are moving targets. | 17:43 |
| hartsocks | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/66201/ | 17:43 |
| garyk | once it is networking, one it is virtual disks, one it is a race that got through the gate…. | 17:43 |
| garyk | wip | 17:43 |
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| hartsocks | you have an interesting comment there… | 17:43 |
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| garyk | ah, now i see the -1 | 17:43 |
| hartsocks | "Since this change is, reasonably for this case, a change to not use exponential backoff that variable should be like 'wait_time' and not be a fraction." | 17:43 |
| hartsocks | This is interesting... | 17:44 |
| hartsocks | because I think we have a 1.0 in our wait time. | 17:44 |
| garyk | if they did the mat then they would see that the exponentional timeout is 1 sec every time | 17:44 |
| garyk | that is wrong | 17:44 |
| hartsocks | In general, from my days as an embedded C programmer I remember use of floating point is to be frowned upon. | 17:45 |
| garyk | i'll address the comment. thanks for pointing the −1 put | 17:45 |
| hartsocks | That's because FP calculations aren't smooth … that is you have gaps in IEEE representations between 0.0 and 1.0 | 17:46 |
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| hartsocks | … so in a system where you are doing lots of math on fractional values you can get non-integral representations of numbers as they move through certain hard to represent fractional values. | 17:46 |
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| hartsocks | But... | 17:46 |
| hartsocks | this is Python. | 17:46 |
| hartsocks | so… we have different number representations. | 17:47 |
| hartsocks | :-) | 17:47 |
| hartsocks | math geek. remember. | 17:47 |
| hartsocks | anyway… in my gut, I feel like these time representations should never be fractional anyway. | 17:47 |
| garyk | thanks, i am going to drop the floating no. | 17:48 |
| hartsocks | You always have a discrete monotonic representation of time in a computer. It's the clock cycle. :-) | 17:48 |
| hartsocks | okay. | 17:48 |
| hartsocks | well, we have lots of time for open discussion or we can sign off. | 17:49 |
| hartsocks | any other topics? | 17:49 |
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| hartsocks | we're on #openstack-vmware if people need to chat. | 17:50 |
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| hartsocks | I'm going to try and cut a version of the service validation code over the next two weeks. I want it available for reaction at https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Nova/IcehouseCycleMeetup | 17:52 |
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| hartsocks | I figure if I'm in person in front of folks they can throw eggs, or otherwise give feedback. | 17:52 |
| hartsocks | If nobody has another topic that's it today. | 17:52 |
| hartsocks | #endmeeting | 17:53 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jan 22 17:53:34 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:53 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vmwareapi/2014/vmwareapi.2014-01-22-17.02.html | 17:53 |
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| SumitNaiksatam_ | #startmeeting Networking FWaaS | 18:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jan 22 18:02:21 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SumitNaiksatam_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:02 |
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| SumitNaiksatam_ | RajeshMohan SridarK garyduan yisun there? | 18:02 |
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| garyduan | Hi, | 18:03 |
| SumitNaiksatam | Most of the folks on the team are busy today with the 3rd party CI setup and I2 | 18:03 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | so that plan was to keep this meeting short and discuss only any urgent issues | 18:03 |
| SumitNaiksatam | garyduan: anything new to discuss | 18:03 |
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| garyduan | the patch of fwaas service type framework | 18:04 |
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| garyduan | always has some failure in gate or tempest test | 18:04 |
| garyduan | different everytime | 18:05 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | garyduan: yeah, the gate is a problem for all patches :-) | 18:06 |
| SumitNaiksatam | garyduan: you are sure its nothing to do with your patch? | 18:06 |
| garyduan | also need invite reviews | 18:06 |
| garyduan | well, I think it's not related | 18:06 |
| garyduan | for example, patch 4 was successful on some cases, | 18:07 |
| garyduan | but we I restored it, some cases failed | 18:07 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | garyduan: yeah, no easy around it | 18:09 |
| SumitNaiksatam | easy way | 18:09 |
| garyduan | Ok. | 18:09 |
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| garyduan | nothing else from me. | 18:10 |
| SumitNaiksatam | garyduan: the CI team is monitoring the gate queue, and different teams are work hard to fix some of the issues | 18:10 |
| garyduan | understand | 18:10 |
| SumitNaiksatam | garyduan: keep an eye on #link status.openstack.org/zuul | 18:11 |
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| garyduan | sure | 18:12 |
| SumitNaiksatam | garyduan: but we need to get the patch through at the earliest :-) | 18:13 |
| SumitNaiksatam | garyduan: anything more? | 18:14 |
| garyduan | no | 18:14 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | ok great | 18:15 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i don't think anyone else from the fwaas team is here today | 18:15 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | we had also planned to revisit enabling fwaas in the gate | 18:16 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | however, since the gate is still unstable we will postpone this discussion | 18:18 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | garyduan: i will wrap up for today | 18:18 |
| SumitNaiksatam | short meeting today :-) | 18:19 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | until next time, bye! | 18:19 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | #topic test | 18:22 |
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| notmyname | swift meeting time | 19:00 |
| notmyname | #startmeeting swift | 19:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jan 22 19:00:36 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is notmyname. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'swift' | 19:00 |
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| notmyname | who's here? | 19:00 |
| dfg | hello | 19:00 |
| peluse | here | 19:00 |
| gholt | o/ | 19:00 |
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| torgomatic | o/ | 19:01 |
| chmouel | hey there | 19:01 |
| cschwede | o/ | 19:01 |
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| notmyname | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Swift | 19:01 |
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| notmyname | not too many topics on the agenda today | 19:01 |
| notmyname | first, though... | 19:01 |
| notmyname | #topic swift 1.12 release | 19:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "swift 1.12 release (Meeting topic: swift)" | 19:01 | |
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| notmyname | today the RC was cut for 1.12.0 | 19:02 |
| notmyname | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Swift | 19:02 |
| gholt | Oh, I should add the SOS thing to the Agenda I guess, sorry. | 19:02 |
| notmyname | so it's in milestone-proposed now, and assuming nothing major comes up, we'll do a final release on that early next week | 19:02 |
| chmouel | i think tristant added the swiftclient ssl thing but can't see it here (or was it discussed last meeting> | 19:02 |
| chmouel | ? | 19:02 |
| portante | notmyname: will that require a gate job to cut it? | 19:02 |
| notmyname | portante: no. just a tag push | 19:03 |
| portante | oh good | 19:03 |
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| notmyname | anything else on 1.12? (beyond SOS from gholt)? | 19:03 |
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| portante | added the current gate job issue to the list in case folks care | 19:03 |
| chmouel | it was cleaned up before we discussed it https://wiki.openstack.org/w/index.php?title=Meetings/Swift&oldid=39969 | 19:04 |
| notmyname | chmouel: ah, cool | 19:04 |
| notmyname | #topic gate status | 19:04 |
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| notmyname | so I think we can all easily agree that the gate has been broken for quite a while | 19:04 |
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| notmyname | we discussed some options yesterday in IRC | 19:05 |
| notmyname | torgomatic: did you want to lead this part for any follow-up today? | 19:05 |
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| notmyname | ...or not? ;-) | 19:06 |
| torgomatic | just thinking about ways to have a working, fast gate that's upstream of the openstack gate | 19:06 |
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| torgomatic | if that's even a thing folks are interested in | 19:06 |
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| clayg | ohai | 19:06 |
| * portante is interested | 19:06 | |
| * chmouel is listening | 19:06 | |
| notmyname | the foundation is meeting this week, and I know it's a topic there. I expect something to come from that, but I don't know what | 19:06 |
| portante | torgomatic: what are you thinking about, 2nd gerrit server? | 19:07 |
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| torgomatic | portante: pretty much | 19:07 |
| portante | from that, trickle into openstack? | 19:07 |
| torgomatic | one can configure Gerrit to cherry-pick instead of merge, which would result in a linear history | 19:08 |
| portante | automagically | 19:08 |
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| torgomatic | and that linear history is ideal for feeding upstream into openstack gerrit as a series of dependent changes | 19:08 |
| chmouel | so why is openstack gerrit is actually needed? | 19:08 |
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| torgomatic | chmouel: that is an excellent question :) | 19:09 |
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| portante | is the trickle mech automated or does it require babysitting? | 19:09 |
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| torgomatic | portante: it'd have to be automated; that's computer work, not human work | 19:09 |
| notmyname | and what happens if someone contributes to the openstack gerrit system? we'd have 2 systems to review? | 19:09 |
| portante | auto -2 on the openstack gerrit one? | 19:10 |
| chmouel | torgomatic: so the question is more about simply splitting from openstack CI, right? | 19:10 |
| chmouel | question/discussion | 19:10 |
| portante | chmouel: does it? | 19:10 |
| torgomatic | notmyname: that's the sticky problem; you don't want to have two code-review systems active simultaneously | 19:10 |
| portante | the patches are still integrated continuously | 19:10 |
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| torgomatic | chmouel: pretty much that's what I want to get away from, yeah... 48+ hours for an attempted merge, with a success probability like a coin flip... bleh | 19:11 |
| chmouel | torgomatic: sure we all know that the CI had issues lately | 19:11 |
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| chmouel | but i'm not sure if swift gerrit to openstack gerrit to github make sense (if i understand correctly what are you trying to do) | 19:12 |
| torgomatic | from a technical standpoint I'm pretty sure it's possible | 19:12 |
| torgomatic | it's the non-technical stuff that I'm unsure of | 19:13 |
| chmouel | sure :) | 19:13 |
| notmyname | that's the hard part, right? | 19:13 |
| chmouel | so basically that would make swift out of openstack if we don't use openstack ci, right? | 19:14 |
| notmyname | I don't think its feasible to fork from openstack-ci | 19:14 |
| portante | chmouel: my guess is that once folks see that it works, we won't need to funnel to openstack gerrit, but to a queue of patches to be merged, pulled from a series of repos that are ready | 19:14 |
| notmyname | right. what chmouel said. which is something I don't think we want (certainly not something I want) | 19:14 |
| chmouel | neither am i | 19:14 |
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| portante | notmyname: I don't follow why that is | 19:14 |
| torgomatic | chmouel: well, everything would still pass openstack CI | 19:14 |
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| portante | this is all about tooling | 19:15 |
| portante | don't we each have patches in our own queues? | 19:15 |
| chmouel | torgomatic: but upstream really is the swift gerrit | 19:15 |
| torgomatic | chmouel: right | 19:15 |
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| portante | what torgomatic seems to be saying is that we just merge them in order ahead o tfime | 19:15 |
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| notmyname | inverting that order "who is upstream" is the problem | 19:15 |
| dfg | is work being done on improving the gerrit gate jobs? | 19:15 |
| portante | dfg: yes | 19:16 |
| notmyname | dfg: sort of | 19:16 |
| chmouel | dfg: plenty and hopefuly i like to think it will get better | 19:16 |
| portante | will they be successful enough, jury is out | 19:16 |
| chmouel | take your pick ;) | 19:16 |
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| notmyname | and I think that the current situation is by its nature temporary (either it gets fixed or the project dies) | 19:16 |
| * torgomatic just misses the days of a 10-minute test run with a high SNR | 19:16 | |
| notmyname | torgomatic: ++ | 19:17 |
| torgomatic | it's to the point where a patch has to fail like 5 times before I even bother looking at the logs now | 19:17 |
| chmouel | yeah right i'm sure swift is not the only project being annoyed by the gate status and if everyone start to use their own upstream i'm not sure that would make sense | 19:17 |
| torgomatic | (as happened with my JSON one) | 19:17 |
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| chmouel | torgomatic: what about requesting to openstack ci not to have the integrated tests? | 19:17 |
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| notmyname | didn't we propose something similar to that back in december at the openstack team meeting? | 19:18 |
| torgomatic | chmouel: I brought that up at a meeting once (not opting out of *all* of them, but the mysql-vs-postgres ones, and the lots-of-neutron-ops one) | 19:18 |
| notmyname | torgomatic: how'd that work for you? ;-) | 19:18 |
| torgomatic | folks acted like I took a dump on a kitten | 19:18 |
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| notmyname | lol | 19:18 |
| chmouel | i'm sure that a better tradeoff than a split to another ci (which IMO would basically seen as swift breaking up from openstack) | 19:19 |
| peluse | nice | 19:19 |
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| dfg | imo we should just try to get the current tests fixed. the idea of the intergrated tests is a good one. but they need to work better. so we should get our PTL to put pressure on the people running that thing | 19:19 |
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| portante | dfg: the PTLs seem to be on board, other developers are not | 19:19 |
| notmyname | dfg: always :-) | 19:19 |
| portante | all neutron jobs were pulled from the gate | 19:19 |
| portante | because they were all failing | 19:20 |
| notmyname | ah, really? | 19:20 |
| clayg | chmouel: I think we need to push harder for removing jobs that don't make sense against swift | 19:20 |
| portante | but nobody is jumping in to work on them | 19:20 |
| * chmouel had actually fixed some of the tests failures | 19:20 | |
| portante | clayg: I don't think that will help the problem | 19:20 |
| notmyname | that would explain the recent rise in the pass rate chance | 19:20 |
| torgomatic | portante: I still see blahblah-neutron-large-ops in the current gate, fwiw | 19:20 |
| portante | it is more systemic | 19:20 |
| portante | torgomatic: I meant neutron changes | 19:20 |
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| portante | the tests are still there | 19:20 |
| torgomatic | portante: ah, okay then | 19:20 |
| notmyname | wait, so neutron code is untested going into neutron then? | 19:21 |
| portante | but they could not make a change to neutron to get any fixes to the existing problems without creating more problems, from what I can tell | 19:21 |
| chmouel | let just send a pull request to remove those jobs and start a discussion on this? | 19:21 |
| portante | but doing that won't help the gate for swift | 19:21 |
| clayg | chmouel: portante says there's no amout of jobs that could be removed to help the issues with failing jobs | 19:21 |
| notmyname | I think pulling unnecessary tests from swift will help | 19:21 |
| portante | because there are still jobs ahead of ours that will fail | 19:21 |
| notmyname | portante: it's not a complete solution, but it is better | 19:21 |
| clayg | portante: this is the merge queue stack thing? | 19:22 |
| chmouel | well yeah for merging, i was thinking for at least the rechecks | 19:22 |
| torgomatic | at least when a Swift job hits head-of-queue, it would have a better chance of passing | 19:22 |
| portante | yes | 19:22 |
| portante | clayg: yes | 19:22 |
| portante | torgomatic: true | 19:22 |
| chmouel | torgomatic: +1 | 19:22 |
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| portante | start at 109 and then wait | 19:22 |
| notmyname | chmouel: I'd like to be the one to propose those changes (to remove some tests). can you point me to the right direction after the meeting? | 19:22 |
| portante | that is still 40+ hrs | 19:22 |
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| chmouel | notmyname: yep perfect, (i will have to go just right in 10mn but will catch uop with you tomo about it) | 19:23 |
| clayg | and ci would really like to see any change merged into any openstack project pass integrated test | 19:23 |
| notmyname | chmouel: ok, sounds good. actually jsut send an email then. i'll be traveling tomorrow | 19:23 |
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| torgomatic | clayg: yeah, anything we do would have to have swift changes going through integrated tests | 19:24 |
| chmouel | I am not sure what time is the swift meeting over but it would be nice if we can take a decision about swiftclient and the ssl thing | 19:24 |
| chmouel | since that get swiftclient removed from debian | 19:24 |
| notmyname | passing integrated tests is a good thing. as a first step we can push more on removing the unnecessary tests. later I'd want to see eg a daily integrated test | 19:24 |
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| notmyname | but I don't want to jump to "let's use alt-gerrit" yet (although it's an interesting idea to explore) | 19:25 |
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| notmyname | so for chmouel's time we should move to that topic? | 19:25 |
| torgomatic | sure, we've probably talked enough about this for now | 19:26 |
| notmyname | kk | 19:26 |
| chmouel | tks | 19:26 |
| torgomatic | I'm sure it'll come up again as long as the gate stays horrid | 19:26 |
| notmyname | #topic swiftclient + ssl | 19:26 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "swiftclient + ssl (Meeting topic: swift)" | 19:26 | |
| notmyname | chmouel: go | 19:26 |
| chmouel | well you probably all heard about this already | 19:26 |
| chmouel | swiftclient not checking for certificates | 19:26 |
| notmyname | assume not | 19:26 |
| chmouel | so swiftclient is not checking for certificates .... :) | 19:27 |
| chmouel | by default | 19:27 |
| chmouel | there is a review sent last summer (!!!) to fix that | 19:27 |
| chmouel | which went back and forth with the assumtion that we change the default behavior of swiftclient | 19:27 |
| chmouel | until it was actually tested (thanks swifterdarrell) and it wasn't working | 19:27 |
| chmouel | tristant was working with thomas on this but AFAIK it's not working still yet | 19:27 |
| clayg | neat! | 19:28 |
| chmouel | and having to do our own imp of SSL is not something I really like about | 19:28 |
| chmouel | I would like to go for requests and let the lib handle | 19:28 |
| chmouel | all those things | 19:28 |
| torgomatic | the certificate CN-vs-hostname checking in there is some seriously scary code | 19:28 |
| notmyname | so what's the plan going forward? | 19:28 |
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| torgomatic | I thought requests couldn't turn off SSL compression | 19:28 |
| chmouel | yep i was coming to that | 19:28 |
| chmouel | so the two feature for request that we need is : | 19:29 |
| chmouel | SSL compression | 19:29 |
| chmouel | 100-continue thing | 19:29 |
| chmouel | i think the SSL compression is something dear to our HP friends and the glance users | 19:29 |
| chmouel | and there is a hack for that | 19:29 |
| chmouel | i could not figure out how to use it properly | 19:29 |
| chmouel | but may try again | 19:29 |
| chmouel | (it's only supported in requests/urllib3 properly from python3.2+) | 19:30 |
| chmouel | as for the 100-continue | 19:30 |
| notmyname | and expect 100-continue? | 19:30 |
| chmouel | well my question was, is that something really needed? | 19:30 |
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| notmyname | it's terribly useful, especially when doing larger objects | 19:30 |
| portante | fail PUT on disk allocation failure (fallocate) | 19:31 |
| notmyname | it's not a requirement of the API, but very useful | 19:31 |
| clayg | portante: or too big content-length even | 19:31 |
| portante | clayg: yes, thanks | 19:31 |
| chmouel | i guess we can try to see urllib3/requests to have that there but if we can't are we keeping the status quo like that or just try to go with requests still? | 19:31 |
| notmyname | ya, it just means that the client will send the body before checking for 100 continue, even if the request would fail | 19:32 |
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| * portante bbiab | 19:33 | |
| chmouel | i personally think if there was a vote to go with requests and see if we can the expect-100-cont in requests | 19:33 |
| notmyname | so a rewrite to use requests, and the vote to try to get expect-10-continue support in requests either before or after the rewrite? | 19:34 |
| torgomatic | IMO, having an upstream library responsible for all the certificate validation stuff is the way to go, so +1 from me on requests or whatever | 19:34 |
| chmouel | notmyname: yep that's it | 19:35 |
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| notmyname | #startvote should we rewrite swiftclient using requests? vote no, yesbefore, yesafter | 19:36 |
| openstack | Begin voting on: should we rewrite swiftclient using requests? Valid vote options are vote, no, yesbefore, yesafter. | 19:36 |
| openstack | Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. | 19:36 |
| notmyname | yesbefore == do usptream work first | 19:36 |
| chmouel | #vote yesafter | 19:36 |
| torgomatic | #vote yesbefore | 19:36 |
| notmyname | yesafter == do upstream work after a swiftclient rewrite | 19:36 |
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| clayg | is chmouel offering to do the requests rewrite? | 19:36 |
| clayg | because then he can do it however he wants... | 19:36 |
| notmyname | :-) | 19:36 |
| cschwede | #vote yesafter | 19:37 |
| clayg | IMHO | 19:37 |
| chmouel | clayg: heh :) yeah i would not mind or see if tristan would not mind either ;) | 19:37 |
| notmyname | clayg: ya, but we'll still have to review it | 19:37 |
| chmouel | which is proabbly the hardest part ^ | 19:37 |
| clayg | lol | 19:37 |
| notmyname | #vote yesafter | 19:37 |
| * chmouel is at least going to start log a bug on urllib3 to support the feature | 19:38 | |
| notmyname | anyone else want to register their opinion? | 19:38 |
| notmyname | of course the real vote is the code review :-) | 19:38 |
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| notmyname | chmouel: that sounds good | 19:38 |
| portante | #vote yesbefore | 19:38 |
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| notmyname | chmouel: and to be clear, the reason for using requests is to get ssl cert checking. and the reason for that, beyond "it's good security" is that debian did something? | 19:39 |
| clayg | notmyname: my perferred option isn't really available for voting | 19:39 |
| chmouel | notmyname: since swiftlclient at this time is inherently not secure they dropped it | 19:39 |
| chmouel | zigo: ^^ | 19:40 |
| clayg | chmouel: hmph - blame httplib | 19:40 |
| chmouel | clayg: i'll blame python2.x and python3 devs :( | 19:40 |
| notmyname | ya, did thye drop python too? ;-) | 19:40 |
| notmyname | last call before ending the vote (this is just to register your current thoughts, not on "this is the way it must be done") | 19:41 |
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| notmyname | #endvote | 19:41 |
| openstack | Voted on "should we rewrite swiftclient using requests?" Results are | 19:41 |
| openstack | yesafter (3): chmouel, cschwede, notmyname | 19:41 |
| openstack | yesbefore (2): portante, torgomatic | 19:41 |
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| notmyname | ok, good split. no real consensus | 19:41 |
| gholt | Heheh | 19:42 |
| peluse | perfect | 19:42 |
| chmouel | :) | 19:42 |
| peluse | my vote is for sale BTW | 19:42 |
| notmyname | of course only 5 people voted.... | 19:42 |
| clayg | if you can patch upstream you can monkey patch in the review until the upstream change is resolved | 19:42 |
| * koolhead17 looks around | 19:42 | |
| notmyname | I want to move on to the gatekeeper/sos thing while we have time | 19:42 |
| clayg | gholt: does swiftly do cert validation? | 19:42 |
| gholt | No it sure doesn't :( | 19:42 |
| notmyname | #topic gatekeeper/sos issue (1.12 final blocker?) | 19:43 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "gatekeeper/sos issue (1.12 final blocker?) (Meeting topic: swift)" | 19:43 | |
| chmouel | sorry i have to go | 19:43 |
| notmyname | gholt: debian will drop it! oh noes | 19:43 |
| notmyname | chmouel: thanks for the summary | 19:43 |
| gholt | I'll steal chmouel's work when he's done. ;) | 19:43 |
| notmyname | lol | 19:43 |
| chmouel | gholt: hah :) | 19:43 |
| notmyname | I just heard about this gatekeeper issue this morning. gholt/dfg you got details? | 19:43 |
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| gholt | It's a small fix luckily. But sos wants to use relative location headers and swob doesn't allow that. | 19:44 |
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| notmyname | gatekeeper breaks that or we need a patch to swob? | 19:44 |
| dfg | well i need to patch sos and swift but older versions of sos'll have a bug with this new release | 19:44 |
| gholt | We never noticed before because swob didn't get in front of (or behind?) sos, so sos had the last word. | 19:44 |
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| notmyname | ah, ok | 19:44 |
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| gholt | gatekeeper breaks it just because it happens to use swob | 19:44 |
| notmyname | rather than the wsgi environ directly? | 19:45 |
| dfg | no- that gets overridden | 19:45 |
| chmouel | #link https://github.com/kennethreitz/requests/issues/713 | 19:45 |
| chmouel | about the 100 continue in requests | 19:45 |
| notmyname | thanks | 19:45 |
| dfg | from what i remember eventlet does a .location or something? it was kinda weird | 19:45 |
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| dfg | ya- i think just noting this in SOS will be sufficient. i don't think there will be a lot of affect users because as far as I know there aren't too many of us | 19:46 |
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| notmyname | dfg: and if gatekeeper is explicitly in the pipeline to the right of sos, it won't get moved. so that's a mitigation strategy until a patch lands, right? | 19:46 |
| gholt | Essentially an upgrade to swift 1.12 will require an upgrade sos, right? | 19:47 |
| dfg | gholt: ya | 19:47 |
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| dfg | and noting that in SOS should be enough imo | 19:47 |
| gholt | And in the swift 1.12 release notes maybe? | 19:47 |
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| dfg | and assuming that the swift patch gets backported to 1.12 | 19:48 |
| portante | so: catch_errors sos gatekeeper | 19:48 |
| portante | explicitly in config file is the answer? | 19:48 |
| dfg | portante: no- i think sos has to be after auth | 19:48 |
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| notmyname | dfg: if the swift patch gets submitted soon, then we can review and include it in 1.12 | 19:48 |
| dfg | i'll have it today | 19:48 |
| notmyname | ok | 19:49 |
| dfg | i'd be done if it wasn't for this stupid meeting :p | 19:49 |
| gholt | Hah | 19:49 |
| glange | wow | 19:49 |
| dfg | so then it'll just be 2 weeks for reviews and 3-5 days for gate tests and we'll be golden :) | 19:49 |
| clayg | I still don't quite follow the problem - maybe patches will make it clearer | 19:49 |
| gholt | That's our dfg, damned f---ing grumpy. | 19:49 |
| dfg | haha | 19:50 |
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| peluse | dfg: how's you get the fast track? | 19:50 |
| clayg | hey on the subject of gatekeeper - i think i made a horrible mistake | 19:50 |
| dfg | clayg: its much less of a deal than it has become | 19:50 |
| clayg | I approved the change w/o docs because I was planning on writing docs - which I did - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/65817/ | 19:50 |
| clayg | but then it turns out I hate writing docs | 19:50 |
| portante | clayg: I'd be happy to help | 19:50 |
| dfg | and your horrible writing skills... | 19:50 |
| dfg | :) | 19:50 |
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| portante | not that I am any better | 19:51 |
| clayg | dfg: yes THAT even more! | 19:51 |
| clayg | portante: yeah so - can you just please change of my id? | 19:51 |
| portante | sure | 19:51 |
| portante | change your identity, I have friends that can help you do that | 19:51 |
| clayg | I personally don't care EVAR if any core wants to post over my change if it makes it better/them like it more | 19:52 |
| notmyname | I'd like to see the docs soon, but since those are "released" as soon as they land (ie they're published to swift.openstack.org), it doesn't need to block 1.12 | 19:52 |
| clayg | but particually with docs - I wonder if anyone really cares to go back and fix and its/it's instead of crowdsourcing it? | 19:52 |
| portante | folks pulling 1.12 looking for the docs won't find them, no? | 19:52 |
| notmyname | clayg: somebody will want ATC status and do the change | 19:52 |
| clayg | notmyname: ok, that was option 2) - I eff'd up merging before there were docs in the tree | 19:53 |
| clayg | i was going to ask alister to do it - but then I realized there wasn't a great place to really talk about it in detail/prose - so it seemed like a larger documentation effort | 19:53 |
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| clayg | including finding a bunch of other middleware that wasn't autodoc'd etc | 19:53 |
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| notmyname | so we've got to get in dfg's patch for 1.12. and if the docs stuff gets approved we can include it too. | 19:54 |
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| notmyname | we're almost out of time, so I want to make sure we've covered the basics in here | 19:55 |
| notmyname | gholt: dfg: anything else important on this topic? | 19:56 |
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| gholt | I'm good with it. Mainly wanted to get the knowledge of it out there. | 19:56 |
| notmyname | thanks | 19:56 |
| dfg | ya- i'm fine | 19:56 |
| notmyname | #topic other | 19:57 |
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| notmyname | anything else in 2.5 minutes? | 19:57 |
| gholt | General note on ssync: Testing has been going okay, with one bug/needed-optimization I'll be submitting soon. | 19:57 |
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| notmyname | great. | 19:57 |
| peluse | also, fyi, gholt: ssync policy patch is up for review if you'd like to a gander | 19:58 |
| clayg | gholt: asides from the proxy/lb stuff for container-sync - any more going on there/coming down the pipe? | 19:58 |
| notmyname | progress is going well on storage policies as well. I've nearly got a blog post done with a "progress update" | 19:58 |
| peluse | coo, torgomatic, quick Q for you on the other channel | 19:58 |
| clayg | gholt: for container-sync i mean - i'm sure you've got pleanty of other tricsk up your sleave - but I remember you saying that first container-sync patch was the start of series | 19:58 |
| gholt | Er, uh, I don't think we have anything crazy going on other than container-sync and ssync/index-db/etc paths. | 19:59 |
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| gholt | I think container-sync will be "done" with the http proxies set patch | 19:59 |
| clayg | gholt: nice! | 19:59 |
| notmyname | cool | 20:00 |
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| notmyname | ok, time's up | 20:00 |
| notmyname | #endmeeting | 20:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jan 22 20:00:17 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:00 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2014/swift.2014-01-22-19.00.html | 20:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2014/swift.2014-01-22-19.00.txt | 20:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2014/swift.2014-01-22-19.00.log.html | 20:00 |
| notmyname | thanks for coming | 20:00 |
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| stevebaker | PSA the Heat meeting will be at the alternate time of 0000 UTC | 20:00 |
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