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johnthetubaguy#startmeeting XenAPI15:01
openstackMeeting started Wed Jan 22 15:01:55 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is johnthetubaguy. Information about MeetBot at
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johnthetubaguyhi everyone15:02
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johnthetubaguywho is around today?15:02
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johnthetubaguyleifz: this is your first time right? want to give yourself a quick intro15:02
BobBallsorry for being late15:02
johnthetubaguyBobBall: we were just saying hello to each other15:02
johnthetubaguywe have leifz join us15:03
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BobBallwe've just had a fire alarm15:03
BobBallMate will be joining us shortly I'm sure15:03
johnthetubaguylol, perfect timing!15:03
leifzActually it's leif as in Christopher Lefelhocz from Rackspace.  I was on last week :-)15:03
BobBallbut it's messed up our schedule so I'm sure he's not had his reminder!15:03
leifzAnd most of you already know me :-).15:03
johnthetubaguyits quite risky in your building, not sure those stairs will take everyone all at once15:03
BobBallLast week you did have a very obvious nickname though leifz ... Guestxxyxyz or something ;)15:03
leifzBeen at the Rack for 6 months working with John on whatever he decies is relevant :-)15:03
johnthetubaguylol, OK, so I didn't make it last week, but was probably in the same room as you, or maybe I was in a car, don't remember15:04
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johnthetubaguylets get on with it15:04
johnthetubaguy#topic blueprints15:04
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leifzin a car getting coffee.15:04
johnthetubaguyyeah, getting coffee, that sounds like what I would have been doing15:05
johnthetubaguyhows the blueprints going?15:05
thouvengI pushed a change to add mechanism to attach a pci device to a VM15:05
BobBallThe only BP going is thouveng's15:05
johnthetubaguyPCI passthrough folks seemed a bit worried we were not talking to them15:05
johnthetubaguyI had the resize up of ephemeral disks blueprint merge this week15:05
BobBallI had a chat with ijw about it all15:05
BobBallhe seemed quite happy15:06
BobBallwill tell us as/when changes that affect drivers land15:06
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BobBallbut the vast majority of the changes don't affect driver-world15:06
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johnthetubaguyso, I would love that to not be a new step, because it changes the percentage progress, but looks like a good start15:06
thouvengOn my side I have not a strong opinion about what should be done :(15:06
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johnthetubaguyyeah, we don't need to worry about what they are up to15:06
johnthetubaguyits all driver side, like Bob said15:07
thouvengOk I can remove the @step decorator.15:07
johnthetubaguyyeah, its just we have 10 steps at the moment15:07
BobBallwhy do we care about the percentage progress john?15:07
BobBalloh... so you get nice numbers haha15:07
BobBallyou could always have the RAX rounding to the closest 10% ;)15:07
johnthetubaguyits really not accurate, so I kinda like the rounding15:07
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johnthetubaguyyeah, we should probably get the API to do that, or change the code15:08
johnthetubaguybut I kinda like it15:08
matelSorry for being late, I had a meeting.15:08
BobBallWe could indeed change the API... I think the more steps the better15:08
BobBallfiner grained reporting is better than chunky :)15:09
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johnthetubaguytrue, but it all lies right now15:09
BobBallAnyway - without the API rounding, I have no view on the number of steps15:09
BobBallwhich step would you like it merged with john?15:09
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johnthetubaguyyeah, I guess attach_disks could become attach_devices15:09
johnthetubaguysetup_network attaches vifs though15:10
johnthetubaguybut its close15:10
BobBallok - so rename attach_disks and put the PCI stuff in there15:10
thouvengit is ok for me15:10
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johnthetubaguyone more quick thing15:12
johnthetubaguyI would but all that code into a vm_utils method, rather than it sitting in vm_ops15:12
johnthetubaguyit will be way easier to test that way15:12
johnthetubaguyanyways, its minor stuff15:12
johnthetubaguyany more on blueprints?15:13
thouvengjust a question15:13
BobBalllast week we agreed this would be re-targeted to I-315:13
thouvengshould I open them for review as bob said?15:13
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johnthetubaguysure, its easier than draft15:13
johnthetubaguythere is a "Work in progress" button if its not ready15:14
thouvengok I will do that thanks15:14
BobBallI think the base patch is ready15:14
johnthetubaguyonce there are unit tests up for your code, I would go out of draft15:14
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BobBallthe attach patch doesn't have a test15:14
thouvengYes the attach patch is a work in progress15:14
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johnthetubaguyyeah, just have it non-draft but marked as work-in-progress15:14
johnthetubaguyits easier that way15:15
thouvengok, that's all for me15:15
johnthetubaguyI have a few minor blueprints up for review, but nothing worth pointing out15:15
johnthetubaguyso, lets move on...15:15
johnthetubaguy#topic QA15:15
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johnthetubaguyhows the zuul work coming on15:16
johnthetubaguywe are very very close to the wire here15:16
ijwMy ears are burning.15:16
johnthetubaguyijw: don't panic, just saying XenAPI PCI passthrough stuff should not affect the stuff you guys are doing15:17
johnthetubaguyBobBall: do we have an update on Zuul stuff15:17
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ijwYeah, no trouble, if you want me for AOB I'm around, finish your stuff15:17
BobBallmatel first15:17
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matelOh, Ok.15:18
matelnodepool: Need to test changes + Have to make sure, we give some time for the VM to shut down before we snapshotting it.15:18
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matellocalrc: I am working on it atm, this is the branch:
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johnthetubaguyOK, do we have tempest running on some virtualized XenServer now, like statically?15:19
matelI am hoping to reach a successful test run this week.15:19
johnthetubaguymatel: that would be totally awesome15:19
matelexplain statically15:19
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johnthetubaguyerm, create a XenServer VM in rax cloud, then manually run tempest on that setup15:19
matelSo here is what it looks like:15:20
matelI have some scripts here:
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matelThese are "emulating" nodepool - according to my best knowledge15:20
johnthetubaguybut do you have tempest inside a XenServer in the rackspace cloud running now?15:21
johnthetubaguyoh, emulating nodepool is good too15:21
matelYes of course.15:21
johnthetubaguyhow long did that take?15:21
matelIt is running tempest.15:21
johnthetubaguyfull tempest that is?15:21
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matelI don't have measures yet, because the tests were failing - apparently there were some iptables rules in the node, that prevented dom0 to talk back to the domu15:22
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matelWait a minute, I might have something.15:22
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matelBut as I said, this test run involves loads of timeouts.15:22
matelRan 279 tests in 1997.157s15:23
matelFAILED (failures=6, skipped=58)15:23
matelThis is a smoke run.15:23
johnthetubaguyoh boy, thats smoke15:23
johnthetubaguywell lets hope some long timeouts bloated the running time15:23
matelSo the other issue is that the ephemeral storage can't be used from the HVM machine.15:23
johnthetubaguyah right, because its device id is too high15:23
matelSo that could be an issue, but let's hope, it won't.15:23
matelI just did another smoke run:15:24
matelRan 284 tests in 2214.197s15:24
matelFAILED (failures=6, skipped=59)15:24
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johnthetubaguyOK, so getting close15:24
johnthetubaguythats awesome stuff15:24
matelSo, let me summarize the todos:15:25
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BobBallAlso note that gate has been very flakely lately15:25
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BobBalland at least one of those failures is the one that gate kept hitting15:26
BobBallthat was fixed yesterday(?) - the BFV patterns test15:26
matel1.) Update config patches, 2.) Test nodepool 3.) Make sure nodepool snapshots a stopped VM 4.) localrc (devstack-gate)15:26
johnthetubaguyBobBall: yes, true, kinda nice to see the same failures though15:26
johnthetubaguymatel: good summary, thanks15:26
johnthetubaguyfor marketing reasons, can you do a blog post on this after you get the first full run in your simulated environment, then post that to the dev mailing lists with the [Nova] tag?15:27
johnthetubaguyparticular if thats towards the end of the week15:28
johnthetubaguyanyways, lets move on15:28
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johnthetubaguy#topic Open Discussion15:28
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BobBallI'm starting to look at nodepool btw15:28
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johnthetubaguyany other things people want to raise?15:28
BobBallMate has a partial setup - but I'm crossing the I's and dotting the T.s15:29
BobBallIt's a fallback because the -infra team are being very slow with their reviews15:29
johnthetubaguythat sounds like a good plan, test things to see how it hangs together15:29
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BobBallso we might have to run a nodepool and watch the gerrit stream ourselves, running in our RS account rather than the -infra one15:29
ijwOn the PCI, the driver end of thing will change pci_whitelist and the stats reporting on the driver end of things, as a headsup.  If you implement a new VIF plugging type, you get PCI for Neutron.  The rest should be much as before.15:29
matelRealistically, I think we are speaking about weeks.15:29
BobBallthanks ijw15:30
ijwjohnthetubaguy and I are not in agreement on the implementation but the bits in dispute don't change the effects on the driver end.15:30
BobBalljohnthetubaguy: worth calling out your API patch?15:31
johnthetubaguyijw: agreed15:31
johnthetubaguywhich patch was that?15:32
johnthetubaguyI loose track15:32
BobBallthe one we were discussing15:32
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BobBallcan't find it now15:33
johnthetubaguyyeah, I don't remember what it was about now15:33
johnthetubaguyoh damm, yes15:33
johnthetubaguyIts an idea Bob had for making the session code a bit easier to write, then I mangled the idea in my head, and came up with the above patch15:34
johnthetubaguyideas welcome on that, before I try and convert over all the calls to XenAPI into the new format15:34
johnthetubaguyit will be lots of patches, not one massive patch, just FYI15:34
BobBallTwo main aims were to make it easier to test and having auto complete in vi pick up the methods ;)15:35
johnthetubaguyyeah, and I kinda want it easier to discover what xenapi calls other people already make, and make it easy to find workaround, like the ones to VBD.unplug, etc15:36
thouvengcool :) I will have a closer look.15:36
johnthetubaguy#help please give feedback on before all the follow up patches get uploaded15:36
johnthetubaguycool, any more for any more?15:36
BobBallmatel: will you look too? :)15:37
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BobBallcould you poke some of your core buddies johnthetubaguy ?15:37
johnthetubaguyI want to test if not encrypting images make it faster to download:
johnthetubaguyBobBall: yeah, I should do15:37
matelBobBall: Ok.15:37
BobBallthe performance patches that you said you wanted to get in are dangling again15:37
johnthetubaguyBobBall: whats up, need +A and +2, or just got rebased?15:38
BobBallmight just need re-+a15:38
BobBalloh no15:38
johnthetubaguyI will take a peek15:38
BobBallone +a from matt dietz - so you could push it through15:38
BobBallif you're happy of course ;)15:39
BobBallthe others in the stream all have a +a but have been rebased I think (tick means  approved, right?)15:39
johnthetubaguyI +2 ed it in the past, so I suspect it will just take a quick look15:39
johnthetubaguyyeah, a tick needs to be in the approve column though15:40
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BobBallit is for 3 of the patches15:40
johnthetubaguyif you can rebase them all right now, I can take a look in 5 mins and see how they look?15:40
BobBallI'll rebase, sure15:40
johnthetubaguyjusts make sure they are not going to fail in the gate for silly reasons15:40
johnthetubaguysince the gate is so dam fragile15:40
BobBallit's joyous isn't it15:41
ijwAt this point in time, more so than usual, they've been talking about gate problems all day15:41
BobBall104 in the gate15:41
BobBallnot worth +A'ing15:41
johnthetubaguyyeah, true15:41
BobBallmaybe we'll check again tomorrow :) but better to keep gate churn down15:42
johnthetubaguyits like icehouse-2 cut soon right15:42
BobBallI'm surprised they haven't purged the +A queue!15:42
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johnthetubaguysure, I will remember to get back to your patches when the queue is below 50 or something!15:42
BobBallI'll rebase now anyway15:42
ijwi2 is Friday, I think?15:43
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ijwBut yes, imminent15:43
BobBalldid you want those patches in I-2? guess it doesn't matter with you guys doing continuous deployment stuff15:43
ijwMad, mad fools15:44
johnthetubaguywell, I kinda wanted it soon, after I-2 is fine15:44
BobBallcould do with +A too *grin* gotta love a broken gate.
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johnthetubaguyijw: well if you make frequent change, its easier to find what you broke15:45
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johnthetubaguycool, so any more for any more?15:46
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BobBallnot this week15:46
johnthetubaguytalk to you all next week15:46
BobBallnext week I hope to have news on both nodepool and xs-c on debian!15:46
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BobBalland Mate will have fixed the world.15:47
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ijwjohnthetubaguy: I envy your devtest, that's the main thing - sadly our Openstack team is rather smaller.15:47
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johnthetubaguyijw: yeah, I never tried it with a small team, not sure if it works the same way there too15:50
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ijwIt would work fine but if you're all fully occupied it's difficult to find extra resources to set it up; an economy of scale15:57
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avishayhi all, sorry i'm late16:05
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thingeeavishay: you're not the only one :)16:05
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thingeestill waiting for jgriffith16:06
avishaythingee: well then i'm not sorry!! :)16:06
caitlin56So are people sluggish or is irc sluggish?16:06
jungleboyjPeople are sluggish.  Hard to move after so many days of subzero temps.  ;-)16:06
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hemnasubzero temps?  It's 70 degrees!16:07
avishayjungleboyj: it's in the 70s here... i'm sure thingee is ok too16:07
avishayhemna: :)16:07
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thingee57 here16:07
jungleboyjIt is 7 degrees out and the low is going to be -17 tonight.16:07
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thingeenice running weather :)16:08
avishaythingee: wow16:08
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thingeeso there is no meeting agenda set16:08
jungleboyjthingee: You guys just had anice warm streak right after we left SF last week.16:09
avishaythingee: i-2 i guess, cert test update?16:09
thingeewas in seattle over the weekend. was wearing layers...anything below 50 :)16:09
hemnaok off to take the kids to school.16:09
jungleboyjthingee: He he.16:10
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kmartinwhile we're waiting... does anyone know any requirement cores that give this the final push
kmartinit's holding up the LeftHand driver from landing in I216:13
avishaykmartin: maybe in #openstack-dev?16:13
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thingeeI don't really have much to say to warrant starting the meeting myself.16:14
thingeeWe have quite a bit in review
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kmartinavishay: I've been asking for a few days and no luck16:14
avishaythingee: there are some API patches that i'd feel more comfortable with you looking at16:15
avishaykmartin: :(16:15
thingeeI'm guilty of this as well, but I would just ask for folks to focus on those patches and not fill the queue with things not targeted16:15
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avishaykmartin: gave it a +1 to bump it to the top of the list...16:16
thingeeso I'll be working on reviews all day today and trying to get those through16:16
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kmartinavishay: thanks16:16
thingeeanyone else got time to spare today?16:16
coolsvapi can16:16
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avishayalready did a bunch...some were API-heavy and i preferred to pass16:17
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avishaythat one in particular16:18
thingeeok so it's just avishay, coolsvap and I :)16:18
thingeemaybe jgriffith's dog16:18
jungleboyjI will try to get through some reviews today.  I have just been swamped lately.16:18
jbernardthingee: ill try to chip in as well16:18
thingeejungleboyj, jbernard: awesome. any little bit on those targeted helps.16:18
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thingeethe sooner we get those reviewed and through this big queue, the sooner we sleep. :)16:19
jbernardill drag eharney in as well16:19
jungleboyjthingee: :-)16:19
avishayi don't remember ever having so many patches waiting for cinder16:19
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avishayjbernard: if eharney could look at the LVM-related ones especially that would be great16:20
thingeethat's all I got. I'll leave jgriffith to talk about cert test stuff next time. Anyone else have something they want to mention?16:20
jbernardavishay: will do16:20
eharneyare there LVM reviews up i haven't caught yet?16:20
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avishayjbernard: gracias16:20
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jungleboyjI will go get some reviews done now before I get dragged into other stuff.16:21
eharneyi know the "does this new LVM extend thing break tempest" one still needs some thought16:21
vincent_houNeed you guys to review as well.16:21
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jbernardeharney: is that still pending?16:21
eharneyjbernard: the test is disabled, so, not on an emergency basis at this point.  but we need to figure out what the deal is, i think...16:21
avishayeharney: yea, that one, and this one has a pending comment from Ayal:
eharneyavishay: uhy... i apparently have some draft comments that never posted for that review16:22
avishaywe definitely need to figure it out...if it breaks in test it will probably break for a user :)16:22
avishayeharney: gotcha16:22
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eharneyavishay: iirc it's basically ready and his comments pointed out another whole thing that will be a follow-up patch (around LV activation in general, not snapshots)16:23
eharneyavishay: but will review again16:23
avishayeharney: ok16:23
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thingeealright then, seeya all on #openstack-cinder.16:24
avishayi think most of us aren't LVM experts so we rely on you and jgriffith for those +2s :)16:24
avishayyea, we can move to #openstack-cinder...16:25
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hartsocks#startmeeting vmwareapi17:02
openstackMeeting started Wed Jan 22 17:02:33 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is hartsocks. Information about MeetBot at
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hartsockshey folks, had my head in another meeting.17:02
hartsocksWho's around?17:02
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brownehi, Eric's here17:03
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hartsockstoday might be a light day… lots of folks are busy with other things today...17:04
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hartsocksSo the icehouse 2 deadline is tomorrow.17:07
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hartsocksLast meeting I know I said we'd spend some time on bugs, but ...17:08
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hartsocksgaryk, how's your BP looking "vmware-hot-plug" for icehouse-2?17:08
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garykhartsocks: it was completed 2 weeks ago and is waiting for review17:09
garykall of the bluepreints that i was working on for i-2 were completed at the beginning of the month17:09
garykthey occasionally have rebases but no chnages17:09
hartsocksyou're currently targeted at icehouse-317:09
hartsocksIs that new?17:09
garyki did not change it. maybe russellb went over all of the bps. not sure though17:10
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hartsocksI'm targeted for icehouse-3 as well on autowsdl-repair… so that would be my guess.17:10
garyki think that the problem that we have with these bps is we do not have core reviewers who are sponsoring us17:11
hartsockspretty much.17:11
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russellbi deferred everything not merged17:11
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russellbas i-2 was getting cut today17:11
russellbgaryk: over 90% of the blueprints don't have core sponsors fwiw ... the sponsor thing isn't really being done at all.  just making sure you know you're not singled out17:12
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garykrussellb: thanks for the clarification17:13
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hartsocksrussellb: I think there was a fair bit of other stuff going on in i-2 anyway around gate and performance issues...17:13
garyki just hope that they get a few review cycles. some are features for parity17:13
russellbquite a small number of bps made it17:13
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hartsocksrussellb: is there anything we can do to try and help get more reviews through?17:13
garykdid the network objects at least make it or will they be in the gate for the next month (it is about 3 days to get on once approved)17:14
russellbnot that i can think of really17:14
russellbnetwork objects are not merged17:14
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russellbwe're trying really hard to fix the gate17:15
russellbthat's primary focus for me17:15
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garyknot if it is worth anything but the minesweeper has been pretty stable the last few days - we had some hiccups last week.17:15
russellbdefinitely worth something :)17:15
russellbthat's good to hear17:15
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russellbyou're ahead of the pack on that17:15
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hartsocksI did get an update that the Minesweeper guys are ready to turn on −0 voting this week.17:16
hartsocksSo, much kudos to our Minesweeper team. They have been working nights and weekends.17:16
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garyki think there was a mail on the list not to have the third party ci's do −1's etc17:16
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hartsocksI used the phrase "-0"17:17
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hartsocksto indicate that it would be a "-1" but we're not doing −1 yet.17:17
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hartsocksIt's a "not positive" result.17:17
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hartsocks… also as trivia if memory serves you can have a Floating point with a −0 representation in IEEE notation...17:17
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hartsockseven though a negative sign doesn't make sense on a 0.17:18
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* hartsocks admits he's a math geek.17:18
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hartsocksokay so there's nothing to discuss on BP this round.17:18
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hartsocksI was waiting for i-2 to pass before I tried cutting code on the service validation BP for Nova.17:19
garykjust a quick update regarding the oslo progress.17:19
garykvipin has broken the patch up into a number of small ones.17:19
hartsocksVipin has broken his patch into 3 parts...17:19
hartsocksOh… :-)17:19
hartsocksyou wanted to give the update.17:19
garykthat is, the patch set for the common vmware driver code shared by cinder, nova, glance and soon to be ceilometer17:19
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hartsocksThere was some talk about making the Oslo incubated code a regular library.17:20
hartsocksI'm not sure what that means.17:20
hartsocksI know it means we get to test the code in the gate as opposed to moving through incubation.17:20
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hartsocksAnybody here have anything to comment on that?17:21
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hartsocksI take the silence as a no comment.17:22
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hartsocksAnyone from Glance or Cinder here?17:22
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kirankvCan you paste the patch set link for moving common driver code?17:23
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hartsocks1 sec...17:23
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garykyou can look at that has the patches posted by vipin17:23
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hartsockskirankv: looks like this is also i-3 at the soonest.17:24
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hartsocksAny other BP we can talk about?17:25
kirankvhartsocks: Thanks17:26
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hartsocks#topic bugs17:26
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hartsocksSo, bugs still targeted at i-217:26
hartsocks… that was a nasty query17:27
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rgerganovI got merge approval for #link and then I had to rebase :(17:28
garykwhat is good is that they are all in progress17:28
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garykwhich means that they need reviews17:29
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hartsocksYeah. Pretty much *no* progress.17:29
rgerganovwhy do you lost approvals if there are no conflicts for rebase?17:29
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hartsocksrgerganov: if I remember correctly...17:30
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garykrgerganov: if the rebase is trivial then jenkins add in the reviews17:30
garykfeel free to ping the guys who reviewed and approved the code.17:30
rgerganovgaryk, ok I will do that17:30
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rgerganovit is a trivial fix sitting for 3 months ...17:30
hartsocksokay, I don't type fast enough. That's all I was going to say. :-)17:31
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garykmost of the rebasing was my fault - i changed the test file names. humble apoligies17:31
rgerganovgaryk, yes that was the reason for rebase17:31
rgerganovbut I didn't get any conflicts17:31
rgerganovI wonder why this is not considered "trivial" by Jenkins17:31
hartsocksmy guess is the patch's hash changed.17:32
garykyou couls always as on #openstack-infra - sure somethere will be able to explain or fix if it is a bug :)17:32
garykfungi or joe gordon ,ay know17:33
hartsockswell… the trivial rebase code is here:17:33
hartsocksso… the precise reason is somewhere in that… :-)17:34
hartsocks"'identical' (determined via git-patch-id) and reapply reviews onto the new"17:34
hartsocksgit-patch-id is a hash of your patch's contents… so… if 1 character changes… different hash.17:35
hartsocksit's not very smart :-(17:35
rgerganovthe review process is a real pain IMO17:35
rgerganovhartsocks, thanks for explaining this though17:36
garykrgerganov: it has its advantages and disadvantages17:36
hartsocksNova's currently got some problems that unfortunately affect the whole stack and as far as I can tell that's soaking up a *lot* of attention right now.17:36
garykbasic rule of thumb - is review and your code will be reviewed17:36
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garyka few cycles ago i think that vish would joke and say a bp would be approved if someone would give x reviews17:37
hartsocksabout all we can do is review each other's code.17:38
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hartsocksI would encourage the team to also review code outside the drivers.17:38
hartsocksWe should also be building skills so that we can eventually help with the Nova level bugs that are putting the gate in trouble.17:38
hartsocks#topic open discussion17:39
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hartsocksSince were' there in open discussion anyhow.17:39
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hartsocksi-2 was pretty unsatisfying.17:39
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hartsocksPersonally I looked at this SSH timeout bug a few weeks ago. I know garyk also looked at a few weeks after me. I was never able to make any progress. How did that go?17:40
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garyki posted 2 patches which would help isolate the issues. they are still in review17:41
garyki also posted one which break the gate for neutron - still in review….17:41
hartsocksgaryk: how do you know your patch fixes the issue?17:41
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garyki did not say that they fix problems, they help identify problems.17:42
hartsocksgaryk: okay.17:42
garyksay for example with the ssh - we know if the server or the guest networking is the problem17:42
garykit is mainly the wiring of the guests that causes the problems17:42
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garykproblem with the gate is that there are moving targets.17:43
garykonce it is networking, one it is virtual disks, one it is a race that got through the gate….17:43
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hartsocksyou have an interesting comment there…17:43
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garykah, now i see the -117:43
hartsocks"Since this change is, reasonably for this case, a change to not use exponential backoff that variable should be like 'wait_time' and not be a fraction."17:43
hartsocksThis is interesting...17:44
hartsocksbecause I think we have a 1.0 in our wait time.17:44
garykif they did the mat then they would see that the exponentional timeout is 1 sec every time17:44
garykthat is wrong17:44
hartsocksIn general, from my days as an embedded C programmer I remember use of floating point is to be frowned upon.17:45
garyki'll address the comment. thanks for pointing the −1 put17:45
hartsocksThat's because FP calculations aren't smooth … that is you have gaps in IEEE representations between 0.0 and 1.017:46
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hartsocks… so in a system where you are doing lots of math on fractional values you can get non-integral representations of numbers as they move through certain hard to represent fractional values.17:46
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hartsocksthis is Python.17:46
hartsocksso… we have different number representations.17:47
hartsocksmath geek. remember.17:47
hartsocksanyway… in my gut, I feel like these time representations should never be fractional anyway.17:47
garykthanks, i am going to drop the floating no.17:48
hartsocksYou always have a discrete monotonic representation of time in a computer. It's the clock cycle. :-)17:48
hartsockswell, we have lots of time for open discussion or we can sign off.17:49
hartsocksany other topics?17:49
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hartsockswe're on #openstack-vmware if people need to chat.17:50
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hartsocksI'm going to try and cut a version of the service validation code over the next two weeks. I want it available for reaction at
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hartsocksI figure if I'm in person in front of folks they can throw eggs, or otherwise give feedback.17:52
hartsocksIf nobody has another topic that's it today.17:52
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SumitNaiksatam_RajeshMohan SridarK garyduan yisun there?18:02
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SumitNaiksatamMost of the folks on the team are busy today with the 3rd party CI setup and I218:03
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SumitNaiksatamso that plan was to keep this meeting short and discuss only any urgent issues18:03
SumitNaiksatamgaryduan: anything new to discuss18:03
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garyduanthe patch of fwaas service type framework18:04
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garyduanalways has some failure in gate or tempest test18:04
garyduandifferent everytime18:05
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SumitNaiksatamgaryduan: yeah, the gate is a problem for all patches :-)18:06
SumitNaiksatamgaryduan: you are sure its nothing to do with your patch?18:06
garyduanalso need invite reviews18:06
garyduanwell, I think it's not related18:06
garyduanfor example, patch 4 was successful on some cases,18:07
garyduanbut we I restored it, some cases failed18:07
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SumitNaiksatamgaryduan: yeah, no easy around it18:09
SumitNaiksatameasy way18:09
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garyduannothing else from me.18:10
SumitNaiksatamgaryduan: the CI team is monitoring the gate queue, and different teams are work hard to fix some of the issues18:10
SumitNaiksatamgaryduan: keep an eye on #link
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SumitNaiksatamgaryduan: but we need to get the patch through at the earliest :-)18:13
SumitNaiksatamgaryduan: anything more?18:14
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SumitNaiksatamok great18:15
SumitNaiksatami don't think anyone else from the fwaas team is here today18:15
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SumitNaiksatamwe had also planned to revisit enabling fwaas in the gate18:16
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SumitNaiksatamhowever, since the gate is still unstable we will postpone this discussion18:18
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SumitNaiksatamgaryduan: i will wrap up for today18:18
SumitNaiksatamshort meeting today :-)18:19
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SumitNaiksatamuntil next time, bye!18:19
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notmynameswift meeting time19:00
notmyname#startmeeting swift19:00
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notmynamewho's here?19:00
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chmouelhey there19:01
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notmynamenot too many topics on the agenda today19:01
notmynamefirst, though...19:01
notmyname#topic swift 1.12 release19:01
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notmynametoday the RC was cut for 1.12.019:02
gholtOh, I should add the SOS thing to the Agenda I guess, sorry.19:02
notmynameso it's in milestone-proposed now, and assuming nothing major comes up, we'll do a final release on that early next week19:02
chmoueli think tristant added the swiftclient ssl thing but can't see it here (or was it discussed last meeting>19:02
portantenotmyname: will that require a gate job to cut it?19:02
notmynameportante: no. just a tag push19:03
portanteoh good19:03
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notmynameanything else on 1.12? (beyond SOS from gholt)?19:03
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portanteadded the current gate job issue to the list in case folks care19:03
chmouelit was cleaned up before we discussed it
notmynamechmouel: ah, cool19:04
notmyname#topic gate status19:04
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notmynameso I think we can all easily agree that the gate has been broken for quite a while19:04
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notmynamewe discussed some options yesterday in IRC19:05
notmynametorgomatic: did you want to lead this part for any follow-up today?19:05
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notmyname...or not? ;-)19:06
torgomaticjust thinking about ways to have a working, fast gate that's upstream of the openstack gate19:06
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torgomaticif that's even a thing folks are interested in19:06
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* portante is interested19:06
* chmouel is listening19:06
notmynamethe foundation is meeting this week, and I know it's a topic there. I expect something to come from that, but I don't know what19:06
portantetorgomatic: what are you thinking about, 2nd gerrit server?19:07
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torgomaticportante: pretty much19:07
portantefrom that, trickle into openstack?19:07
torgomaticone can configure Gerrit to cherry-pick instead of merge, which would result in a linear history19:08
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torgomaticand that linear history is ideal for feeding upstream into openstack gerrit as a series of dependent changes19:08
chmouelso why is openstack gerrit is actually needed?19:08
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torgomaticchmouel: that is an excellent question :)19:09
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portanteis the trickle mech automated or does it require babysitting?19:09
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torgomaticportante: it'd have to be automated; that's computer work, not human work19:09
notmynameand what happens if someone contributes to the openstack gerrit system? we'd have 2 systems to review?19:09
portanteauto -2 on the openstack gerrit one?19:10
chmoueltorgomatic:  so the question is more about simply splitting from openstack CI, right?19:10
portantechmouel: does it?19:10
torgomaticnotmyname: that's the sticky problem; you don't want to have two code-review systems active simultaneously19:10
portantethe patches are still integrated continuously19:10
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torgomaticchmouel: pretty much that's what I want to get away from, yeah... 48+ hours for an attempted merge, with a success probability like a coin flip... bleh19:11
chmoueltorgomatic: sure we all know that the CI had issues lately19:11
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chmouelbut i'm not sure if swift gerrit to openstack gerrit to github make sense (if i understand correctly what are you trying to do)19:12
torgomaticfrom a technical standpoint I'm pretty sure it's possible19:12
torgomaticit's the non-technical stuff that I'm unsure of19:13
chmouelsure :)19:13
notmynamethat's the hard part, right?19:13
chmouelso basically that would make swift out of openstack if we don't use openstack ci, right?19:14
notmynameI don't think its feasible to fork from openstack-ci19:14
portantechmouel: my guess is that once folks see that it works, we won't need to funnel to openstack gerrit, but to a queue of patches to be merged, pulled from a series of repos that are ready19:14
notmynameright. what chmouel said. which is something I don't think we want (certainly not something I want)19:14
chmouelneither am i19:14
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portantenotmyname: I don't follow why that is19:14
torgomaticchmouel: well, everything would still pass openstack CI19:14
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portantethis is all about tooling19:15
portantedon't we each have patches in our own queues?19:15
chmoueltorgomatic: but upstream really is the swift gerrit19:15
torgomaticchmouel: right19:15
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portantewhat torgomatic seems to be saying is that we just merge them in order ahead o tfime19:15
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notmynameinverting that order "who is upstream" is the problem19:15
dfgis work being done on improving the gerrit gate jobs?19:15
portantedfg: yes19:16
notmynamedfg: sort of19:16
chmoueldfg: plenty and hopefuly i like to think it will get better19:16
portantewill they be successful enough, jury is out19:16
chmoueltake your pick ;)19:16
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notmynameand I think that the current situation is by its nature temporary (either it gets fixed or the project dies)19:16
* torgomatic just misses the days of a 10-minute test run with a high SNR19:16
notmynametorgomatic: ++19:17
torgomaticit's to the point where a patch has to fail like 5 times before I even bother looking at the logs now19:17
chmouelyeah right i'm sure swift is not the only project being annoyed by the gate status and if everyone start to use their own upstream i'm not sure that would make sense19:17
torgomatic(as happened with my JSON one)19:17
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chmoueltorgomatic: what about requesting to openstack ci not to have the integrated tests?19:17
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notmynamedidn't we propose something similar to that back in december at the openstack team meeting?19:18
torgomaticchmouel: I brought that up at a meeting once (not opting out of *all* of them, but the mysql-vs-postgres ones, and the lots-of-neutron-ops one)19:18
notmynametorgomatic: how'd that work for you? ;-)19:18
torgomaticfolks acted like I took a dump on a kitten19:18
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chmoueli'm sure that a better tradeoff than a split to another ci (which IMO would basically seen as swift breaking up from openstack)19:19
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dfgimo we should just try to get the current tests fixed. the idea of the intergrated tests is a good one. but they need to work better. so we should get our PTL to put pressure on the people running that thing19:19
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portantedfg: the PTLs seem to be on board, other developers are not19:19
notmynamedfg: always :-)19:19
portanteall neutron jobs were pulled from the gate19:19
portantebecause they were all failing19:20
notmynameah, really?19:20
claygchmouel: I think we need to push harder for removing jobs that don't make sense against swift19:20
portantebut nobody is jumping in to work on them19:20
* chmouel had actually fixed some of the tests failures 19:20
portanteclayg: I don't think that will help the problem19:20
notmynamethat would explain the recent rise in the pass rate chance19:20
torgomaticportante: I still see blahblah-neutron-large-ops in the current gate, fwiw19:20
portanteit is more systemic19:20
portantetorgomatic: I meant neutron changes19:20
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portantethe tests are still there19:20
torgomaticportante: ah, okay then19:20
notmynamewait, so neutron code is untested going into neutron then?19:21
portantebut they could not make a change to neutron to get any fixes to the existing problems without creating more problems, from what I can tell19:21
chmouellet just send a pull request to remove those jobs and start a discussion on this?19:21
portantebut doing that won't help the gate for swift19:21
claygchmouel: portante says there's no amout of jobs that could be removed to help the issues with failing jobs19:21
notmynameI think pulling unnecessary tests from swift will help19:21
portantebecause there are still jobs ahead of ours that will fail19:21
notmynameportante: it's not a complete solution, but it is better19:21
claygportante: this is the merge queue stack thing?19:22
chmouelwell yeah for merging, i was thinking for at least the rechecks19:22
torgomaticat least when a Swift job hits head-of-queue, it would have a better chance of passing19:22
portanteclayg: yes19:22
portantetorgomatic: true19:22
chmoueltorgomatic: +119:22
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portantestart at 109 and then wait19:22
notmynamechmouel: I'd like to be the one to propose those changes (to remove some tests). can you point me to the right direction after the meeting?19:22
portantethat is still 40+ hrs19:22
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chmouelnotmyname: yep perfect, (i will have to go just right in 10mn but will catch uop with you tomo about it)19:23
claygand ci would really like to see any change merged into any openstack project pass integrated test19:23
notmynamechmouel: ok, sounds good. actually jsut send an email then. i'll be traveling tomorrow19:23
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torgomaticclayg: yeah, anything we do would have to have swift changes going through integrated tests19:24
chmouelI am not sure what time is the swift meeting over but it would be nice if we can take a decision about  swiftclient and the ssl thing19:24
chmouelsince that get swiftclient removed  from debian19:24
notmynamepassing integrated tests is a good thing. as a first step we can push more on removing the unnecessary tests. later I'd want to see eg a daily integrated test19:24
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notmynamebut I don't want to jump to "let's use alt-gerrit" yet (although it's an interesting idea to explore)19:25
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notmynameso for chmouel's time we should move to that topic?19:25
torgomaticsure, we've probably talked enough about this for now19:26
torgomaticI'm sure it'll come up again as long as the gate stays horrid19:26
notmyname#topic swiftclient + ssl19:26
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notmynamechmouel: go19:26
chmouelwell you probably all heard about this already19:26
chmouelswiftclient not checking for certificates19:26
notmynameassume not19:26
chmouelso swiftclient is not checking for certificates .... :)19:27
chmouelby default19:27
chmouelthere is a review sent last summer (!!!) to fix that19:27
chmouelwhich went back and forth with the assumtion that we change the default behavior of swiftclient19:27
chmoueluntil it was actually tested (thanks swifterdarrell) and it wasn't working19:27
chmoueltristant was working with thomas on this but AFAIK it's not working still yet19:27
chmoueland having to do our own imp of SSL is not something I really like about19:28
chmouelI would like to go for requests and let the lib handle19:28
chmouelall those things19:28
torgomaticthe certificate CN-vs-hostname checking in there is some seriously scary code19:28
notmynameso what's the plan going forward?19:28
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torgomaticI thought requests couldn't turn off SSL compression19:28
chmouelyep i was coming to that19:28
chmouelso the two feature for request that we need is :19:29
chmouelSSL compression19:29
chmouel100-continue thing19:29
chmoueli think the SSL compression is something dear to our HP friends and the glance users19:29
chmoueland there is a hack for that19:29
chmoueli could not figure out how to use it properly19:29
chmouelbut may try again19:29
chmouel(it's only supported in requests/urllib3 properly from python3.2+)19:30
chmouelas for the 100-continue19:30
notmynameand expect 100-continue?19:30
chmouelwell my question was, is that something really needed?19:30
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notmynameit's terribly useful, especially when doing larger objects19:30
portantefail PUT on disk allocation failure (fallocate)19:31
notmynameit's not a requirement of the API, but very useful19:31
claygportante: or too big content-length even19:31
portanteclayg: yes, thanks19:31
chmoueli guess we can try to see urllib3/requests to have that there but if we can't are we keeping the status quo like that or just try to go with requests still?19:31
notmynameya, it just means that the client will send the body before checking for 100 continue, even if the request would fail19:32
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* portante bbiab19:33
chmoueli personally think if there was a vote to go with requests and see if we can the expect-100-cont in requests19:33
notmynameso a rewrite to use requests, and the vote to try to get expect-10-continue support in requests either before or after the rewrite?19:34
torgomaticIMO, having an upstream library responsible for all the certificate validation stuff is the way to go, so +1 from me on requests or whatever19:34
chmouelnotmyname: yep that's it19:35
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notmyname#startvote should we rewrite swiftclient using requests? vote no, yesbefore, yesafter19:36
openstackBegin voting on: should we rewrite swiftclient using requests? Valid vote options are vote, no, yesbefore, yesafter.19:36
openstackVote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts.19:36
notmynameyesbefore == do usptream work first19:36
chmouel#vote yesafter19:36
torgomatic#vote yesbefore19:36
notmynameyesafter == do upstream work after a swiftclient rewrite19:36
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claygis chmouel offering to do the requests rewrite?19:36
claygbecause then he can do it however he wants...19:36
cschwede#vote yesafter19:37
chmouelclayg: heh :) yeah i would not mind or see if tristan would not mind either ;)19:37
notmynameclayg: ya, but we'll still have to review it19:37
chmouelwhich is proabbly the hardest part ^19:37
notmyname#vote yesafter19:37
* chmouel is at least going to start log a bug on urllib3 to support the feature19:38
notmynameanyone else want to register their opinion?19:38
notmynameof course the real vote is the code review :-)19:38
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notmynamechmouel: that sounds good19:38
portante#vote yesbefore19:38
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notmynamechmouel: and to be clear, the reason for using requests is to get ssl cert checking. and the reason for that, beyond "it's good security" is that debian did something?19:39
claygnotmyname: my perferred option isn't really available for voting19:39
chmouelnotmyname: since swiftlclient at this time is inherently not secure they dropped it19:39
chmouelzigo: ^^19:40
claygchmouel: hmph - blame httplib19:40
chmouelclayg: i'll blame python2.x and python3 devs :(19:40
notmynameya, did thye drop python too? ;-)19:40
notmynamelast call before ending the vote (this is just to register your current thoughts, not on "this is the way it must be done")19:41
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openstackVoted on "should we rewrite swiftclient using requests?" Results are19:41
openstackyesafter (3): chmouel, cschwede, notmyname19:41
openstackyesbefore (2): portante, torgomatic19:41
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notmynameok, good split. no real consensus19:41
pelusemy vote is for sale BTW19:42
notmynameof course only 5 people voted....19:42
claygif you can patch upstream you can monkey patch in the review until the upstream change is resolved19:42
* koolhead17 looks around19:42
notmynameI want to move on to the gatekeeper/sos thing while we have time19:42
clayggholt: does swiftly do cert validation?19:42
gholtNo it sure doesn't :(19:42
notmyname#topic gatekeeper/sos issue (1.12 final blocker?)19:43
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chmouelsorry i have to go19:43
notmynamegholt: debian will drop it! oh noes19:43
notmynamechmouel: thanks for the summary19:43
gholtI'll steal chmouel's work when he's done. ;)19:43
chmouelgholt: hah :)19:43
notmynameI just heard about this gatekeeper issue this morning. gholt/dfg you got details?19:43
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gholtIt's a small fix luckily. But sos wants to use relative location headers and swob doesn't allow that.19:44
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notmynamegatekeeper breaks that or we need a patch to swob?19:44
dfgwell i need to patch sos and swift but older versions of sos'll have a bug with this new release19:44
gholtWe never noticed before because swob didn't get in front of (or behind?) sos, so sos had the last word.19:44
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notmynameah, ok19:44
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gholtgatekeeper breaks it just because it happens to use swob19:44
notmynamerather than the wsgi environ directly?19:45
dfgno- that gets overridden19:45
chmouelabout the 100 continue in requests19:45
dfgfrom what i remember eventlet does a .location or something? it was kinda weird19:45
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* clayg goes to clone sos19:45
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dfgya- i think just noting this in SOS will be sufficient. i don't think there will be a lot of affect users because as far as I know there aren't too many of us19:46
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notmynamedfg: and if gatekeeper is explicitly in the pipeline to the right of sos, it won't get moved. so that's a mitigation strategy until a patch lands, right?19:46
gholtEssentially an upgrade to swift 1.12 will require an upgrade sos, right?19:47
dfggholt: ya19:47
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dfgand noting that in SOS should be enough imo19:47
gholtAnd in the swift 1.12 release notes maybe?19:47
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dfgand assuming that the swift patch gets backported to 1.1219:48
portanteso: catch_errors sos gatekeeper19:48
portanteexplicitly in config file is the answer?19:48
dfgportante: no- i think sos has to be after auth19:48
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notmynamedfg: if the swift patch gets submitted soon, then we can review and include it in 1.1219:48
dfgi'll have it today19:48
dfgi'd be done if it wasn't for this stupid meeting :p19:49
dfgso then it'll just be 2 weeks for reviews and 3-5 days for gate tests and we'll be golden :)19:49
claygI still don't quite follow the problem - maybe patches will make it clearer19:49
gholtThat's our dfg, damned f---ing grumpy.19:49
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pelusedfg:  how's you get the fast track?19:50
clayghey on the subject of gatekeeper - i think i made a horrible mistake19:50
dfgclayg: its much less of a deal than it has become19:50
claygI approved the change w/o docs because I was planning on writing docs - which I did -
claygbut then it turns out I hate writing docs19:50
portanteclayg: I'd be happy to help19:50
dfgand your horrible writing skills...19:50
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portantenot that I am any better19:51
claygdfg: yes THAT even more!19:51
claygportante: yeah so - can you just please change of my id?19:51
portantechange your identity, I have friends that can help you do that19:51
claygI personally don't care EVAR if any core wants to post over my change if it makes it better/them like it more19:52
notmynameI'd like to see the docs soon, but since those are "released" as soon as they land (ie they're published to, it doesn't need to block 1.1219:52
claygbut particually with docs - I wonder if anyone really cares to go back and fix and its/it's instead of crowdsourcing it?19:52
portantefolks pulling 1.12 looking for the docs won't find them, no?19:52
notmynameclayg: somebody will want ATC status and do the change19:52
claygnotmyname: ok, that was option 2) - I eff'd up merging before there were docs in the tree19:53
claygi was going to ask alister to do it - but then I realized there wasn't a great place to really talk about it in detail/prose - so it seemed like a larger documentation effort19:53
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claygincluding finding a bunch of other middleware that wasn't autodoc'd etc19:53
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notmynameso we've got to get in dfg's patch for 1.12. and if the docs stuff gets approved we can include it too.19:54
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notmynamewe're almost out of time, so I want to make sure we've covered the basics in here19:55
notmynamegholt: dfg: anything else important on this topic?19:56
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gholtI'm good with it. Mainly wanted to get the knowledge of it out there.19:56
dfgya- i'm fine19:56
notmyname#topic other19:57
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notmynameanything else in 2.5 minutes?19:57
gholtGeneral note on ssync: Testing has been going okay, with one bug/needed-optimization I'll be submitting soon.19:57
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pelusealso, fyi, gholt:  ssync policy patch is up for review if you'd like to a gander19:58
clayggholt: asides from the proxy/lb stuff for container-sync - any more going on there/coming down the pipe?19:58
notmynameprogress is going well on storage policies as well. I've nearly got a blog post done with a "progress update"19:58
pelusecoo, torgomatic, quick Q for you on the other channel19:58
clayggholt: for container-sync i mean - i'm sure you've got pleanty of other tricsk up your sleave - but I remember you saying that first container-sync patch was the start of series19:58
gholtEr, uh, I don't think we have anything crazy going on other than container-sync and ssync/index-db/etc paths.19:59
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gholtI think container-sync will be "done" with the http proxies set patch19:59
clayggholt: nice!19:59
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notmynameok, time's up20:00
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notmynamethanks for coming20:00
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stevebakerPSA the Heat meeting will be at the alternate time of 0000 UTC20:00
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