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| johnthetubaguy | #startmeeting XenAPI | 15:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jan 29 15:00:32 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is johnthetubaguy. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: XenAPI)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'xenapi' | 15:00 |
| johnthetubaguy | who is around today? | 15:00 |
| matel | matel | 15:00 |
| thouveng | guillaume thouvenin | 15:00 |
| BobBall | Mr Robert Ball | 15:01 |
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| johnthetubaguy | so.. | 15:02 |
| johnthetubaguy | #topic Blueprints | 15:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Blueprints (Meeting topic: XenAPI)" | 15:02 | |
| johnthetubaguy | hows it going | 15:02 |
| thouveng | nothing really new on my side. | 15:02 |
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| BobBall | Can the patches be opened up pls thouveng ? | 15:02 |
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| thouveng | I'm looking for adding test | 15:02 |
| BobBall | I know they need tests, but it'd be good for them to be more visible | 15:03 |
| thouveng | yes I can open them | 15:03 |
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| thouveng | ok sure | 15:03 |
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| thouveng | in the same time I'm writing a blog post | 15:03 |
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| thouveng | about those patches so it will be more convenient to open them | 15:03 |
| BobBall | Is there any chance someone at RAX could test the pci pass through aspect johnthetubaguy? | 15:04 |
| BobBall | I'm struggling from a hardware perspective | 15:04 |
| johnthetubaguy | erm, not sure I can | 15:05 |
| johnthetubaguy | don't have hardware for that | 15:05 |
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| BobBall | Drat | 15:06 |
| johnthetubaguy | any more on blueprints? | 15:06 |
| thouveng | nope | 15:06 |
| BobBall | thouveng was saying he'd like someone else to test it too | 15:06 |
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| thouveng | If I open the patches maybe I will have some feedback | 15:07 |
| thouveng | but right now I'm trying to see how to use mock and unit test :) | 15:07 |
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| johnthetubaguy | OK, we can help you if you open then | 15:08 |
| thouveng | at least to test method like attach_pci_devices | 15:08 |
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| thouveng | they should be open now | 15:08 |
| BobBall | it's actually quite straight forward | 15:08 |
| johnthetubaguy | cool | 15:08 |
| johnthetubaguy | you read the mock docs? | 15:08 |
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| BobBall | you add a decorator @mock.patch.object(module, 'method') | 15:09 |
| BobBall | and an argument to your test function | 15:09 |
| thouveng | yes I read the doc but when I look the code it is not so easy | 15:09 |
| BobBall | and then do argument.return_value='string' | 15:09 |
| BobBall | ah | 15:10 |
| BobBall | I was talking about the _get_passthrough_devices test | 15:10 |
| thouveng | I will try that. I don't see clearly where to add code but I will run some tries | 15:10 |
| BobBall | not attach_pci_devices (which is a little more complicated...) | 15:10 |
| BobBall | I gave a hint in my latest comments on the commit | 15:11 |
| BobBall | but I'm more than happy to explain more - here or email or wherever :) | 15:11 |
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| thouveng | Yes I see it and I'm looking how _test_spawn is working | 15:12 |
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| BobBall | The problem is that all of the functions are local to the spawn method | 15:12 |
| BobBall | which is why there is one huge test for it | 15:12 |
| BobBall | but I'm hoping it'll be an easy copy+paste jobby to get the tests going | 15:12 |
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| johnthetubaguy | yeah, that fella is tricky | 15:12 |
| thouveng | Ok. I will ask you by email then :) | 15:12 |
| matel | tricky = smells | 15:13 |
| matel | Just to be corect. | 15:13 |
| matel | correct | 15:13 |
| BobBall | indeed. | 15:13 |
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| BobBall | But at least it has a test ;) that's something. | 15:13 |
| johnthetubaguy | I perfer the actual unit tests more | 15:14 |
| johnthetubaguy | but that spawn one can work | 15:14 |
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| BobBall | I didn't see actual unit tests for those functions? | 15:14 |
| BobBall | I could have been being blind though... | 15:15 |
| johnthetubaguy | OK, | 15:16 |
| johnthetubaguy | add the little unit tests first | 15:16 |
| johnthetubaguy | then worry about the spawn one later | 15:16 |
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| johnthetubaguy | to be honest, if it doesn't break it, thats cool by me | 15:16 |
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| johnthetubaguy | I had to modify that test recently, because it was incorrect, and its not a nice thing at all | 15:16 |
| johnthetubaguy | anyways | 15:17 |
| johnthetubaguy | anything specific to discuss here? | 15:17 |
| BobBall | I think not for now | 15:17 |
| matel | not related to these things. | 15:17 |
| johnthetubaguy | cool | 15:17 |
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| johnthetubaguy | #topic QA | 15:17 |
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| BobBall | Does QA include talking about bugs? :) | 15:18 |
| johnthetubaguy | so upstream testing… | 15:18 |
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| BobBall | oh yeah | 15:18 |
| BobBall | matel's turn | 15:18 |
| johnthetubaguy | ah, well we can do bugs first if you want? | 15:18 |
| johnthetubaguy | ok, bugs second | 15:18 |
| BobBall | although I've done a chunk yesterday too | 15:18 |
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| matel | Okay, so Bob has set up a nodepool in our CI -so that we could try out the nodepool changes. | 15:18 |
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| matel | Other than that, we passed full tempest. | 15:18 |
| matel | The time it takes is not the best, let me dig it up for you. | 15:19 |
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| matel | https://github.com/citrix-openstack/xenapi-os-testing/issues/26 | 15:20 |
| matel | It shows, that full tempest took 5862.250s | 15:20 |
| matel | We still have some error messages in the logs - which make the job fail. | 15:20 |
| johnthetubaguy | ah, OK, thats good progress | 15:20 |
| matel | But it's definitely a progress further. | 15:20 |
| johnthetubaguy | so we have a good localrc now I guess? | 15:20 |
| matel | We have a working localrc, yes. | 15:21 |
| matel | We created a status page to make it easier to monitor, what needs to be done/where we are. | 15:21 |
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| johnthetubaguy | hang on, so it takes 97 mins right, so 1hour 37mins | 15:21 |
| BobBall | And we have a nodepool running internally which creates nodes (or at least tries to create nodes!) in the rax cloud | 15:21 |
| johnthetubaguy | did you do anything in parrallel? | 15:21 |
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| matel | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/XenServer/GateIntegration | 15:22 |
| johnthetubaguy | I think gate does parallelism of 2 or 4? | 15:22 |
| matel | 2 | 15:22 |
| matel | This run was with 2 as well | 15:22 |
| BobBall | It used to be 4 but it was dropped recently because nova can't cope ;) | 15:22 |
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| johnthetubaguy | yeah, that sounds right | 15:22 |
| johnthetubaguy | hmm, well, reducing that is a good goal | 15:22 |
| BobBall | It's a secondary goal to getting it working :P | 15:23 |
| matel | Bob has some pending changes, which might help. | 15:23 |
| BobBall | indeed - this is on trunk | 15:23 |
| BobBall | not the CTX branch | 15:23 |
| BobBall | so not all of my speedups are there yet | 15:23 |
| matel | So I think there are still stuff to do, but we are showing progress. | 15:24 |
| matel | johnthetubaguy: could you please review https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/XenServer/GateIntegration | 15:24 |
| johnthetubaguy | #action johnthetubaguy to review https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/XenServer/GateIntegration | 15:24 |
| BobBall | So ummm | 15:24 |
| BobBall | it might just have worked | 15:24 |
| johnthetubaguy | I will try to do that | 15:24 |
| matel | And let me know, if you guys wanted to see some other info on that page. | 15:24 |
| BobBall | mate | 15:24 |
| matel | yes, Bob? | 15:25 |
| BobBall | ssh ubuntu@10.219.3.168 | 15:25 |
| BobBall | to get to our nodepool | 15:25 |
| johnthetubaguy | ah, so that time was on trunk, thats good news | 15:25 |
| BobBall | then nova list and we have a template that is there and running | 15:25 |
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| matel | BobBall - are you telling me, that we built a node? | 15:25 |
| BobBall | I'm not certain | 15:25 |
| BobBall | no, not a node, the image | 15:25 |
| BobBall | but the image seems to work | 15:25 |
| BobBall | it's in devstack | 15:25 |
| BobBall | which is good | 15:25 |
| matel | BobBall: take it offline | 15:26 |
| BobBall | ssh root@162.242.233.166 | 15:26 |
| BobBall | okay | 15:26 |
| BobBall | true | 15:26 |
| BobBall | this is all behind our firewall :D | 15:26 |
| BobBall | matel: stamp file isn't there :/ | 15:26 |
| matel | 162.242.233.166 - that's not | 15:26 |
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| BobBall | no - but you can't get in without the private key which is | 15:26 |
| BobBall | but anyway | 15:27 |
| matel | BobBall - use jenkins username | 15:27 |
| johnthetubaguy | hehe | 15:27 |
| BobBall | we'll take it offline. | 15:27 |
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| johnthetubaguy | anyways, sounds like there is awesome progress there | 15:27 |
| matel | Yes, unfortunately, I am not working this week. | 15:27 |
| johnthetubaguy | what is the plan for reporting into gerrit? | 15:27 |
| matel | I guess we are aiming for full gate integration. | 15:28 |
| BobBall | That's the only missing step ATM because we want full gate | 15:28 |
| BobBall | this nodepool setup is for verification + testing | 15:28 |
| BobBall | but a backup plan as well | 15:28 |
| BobBall | if we need to report to gerrit we'll just setup something simple with pygerrit | 15:28 |
| johnthetubaguy | right, but how are we reporting into review.openstack.org | 15:28 |
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| johnthetubaguy | I am just reading the wiki | 15:28 |
| BobBall | It's not on the wiki because the wiki is aimed at the primary plan of OS zuul managing it | 15:29 |
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| matel | johnthetubagu: I thought it's handled by the infrastructure | 15:29 |
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| matel | johnthetubaguy: why do you have such a long nick? :-) | 15:29 |
| johnthetubaguy | matel: it is, crossed wires, BobBall was talking about a backup plan | 15:29 |
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| johnthetubaguy | mate: to annoy people with RSI | 15:29 |
| matel | RSI? | 15:30 |
| BobBall | matel: try jo<tab> ;) | 15:30 |
| johnthetubaguy | repetitive strain injury | 15:30 |
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| BobBall | matel: and if that doesn't work, get a proper IRC client like irssi | 15:30 |
| matel | BobBall: cool, I like this tab thing. | 15:30 |
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| johnthetubaguy | I just found the tab thing too, nice | 15:30 |
| BobBall | haha | 15:30 |
| BobBall | wow | 15:30 |
| matel | BobBall: teach us | 15:31 |
| BobBall | you guys aren't from the IRC oldschool then | 15:31 |
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| matel | Okay, so after the IRC quickstart, BobBall wanted to look at the bugs. | 15:31 |
| BobBall | Back in the day(tm) I even wrote an IRC client. Because there weren't enough of those around. | 15:32 |
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| matel | BobBall: I am so proud of knowing you | 15:32 |
| johnthetubaguy | BobBall: the bugs? | 15:32 |
| BobBall | New bughttps://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1274088 | 15:32 |
| BobBall | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1274088 | 15:32 |
| BobBall | Interesting one because it has the same top-level fingerprint as a major gate fail | 15:32 |
| BobBall | but don't get confused | 15:32 |
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| BobBall | the "timeout waiting for XYZ" in this case is caused by an iscsi race | 15:33 |
| BobBall | Arguably in nova or in XAPI | 15:33 |
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| BobBall | but I've got a fix up at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/69879/ too | 15:33 |
| matel | UnboundLocalError - that's a programming issue. | 15:33 |
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| johnthetubaguy | you are working on a fix right? | 15:33 |
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| BobBall | the coding is shoddy | 15:33 |
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| BobBall | but it's not actually an error as such | 15:33 |
| BobBall | the code scans through an SR looking for a specific VDI which it assumes exists | 15:33 |
| BobBall | and it doesn't, so the value is unbound | 15:34 |
| BobBall | I've fixed both the shoddy coding and added a wait if the VDI isn't there quite yet | 15:34 |
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| BobBall | so we shouldn't get the unboundlocalerror and it should work too :) | 15:34 |
| BobBall | Just waiting on the Citrix CI to confirm it's happy with the change | 15:34 |
| BobBall | anyway | 15:35 |
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| BobBall | just wanted to highlight that it's a XenAPI specific bug which pretends to be the biggest gate blocker ATM | 15:35 |
| BobBall | so don't be fooled | 15:35 |
| matel | Ah, I see | 15:35 |
| johnthetubaguy | very good point | 15:35 |
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| BobBall | That's all I wanted to say | 15:36 |
| johnthetubaguy | cool, good heads up | 15:36 |
| BobBall | oh - not quite | 15:36 |
| johnthetubaguy | that is a bit of code that needs some… TLC | 15:36 |
| johnthetubaguy | (tender loving care) | 15:36 |
| BobBall | now that the gate is open again... I'd quite like some core love on my nova patches | 15:36 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, I hear you | 15:36 |
| johnthetubaguy | I would love to get those in soon too | 15:36 |
| johnthetubaguy | I am just trying to write and test a new nova scheduler at the moment, so a bit distracted | 15:37 |
| BobBall | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/58754/13 is the first in the series not yet merged | 15:37 |
| johnthetubaguy | appologies | 15:37 |
| johnthetubaguy | I will try bring that up with other RAX types, once I give it a +2 | 15:37 |
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| matel | johnthetubaguy: BobBall's happiness is just a few clicks away. | 15:37 |
| BobBall | ta | 15:37 |
| BobBall | haha - I'm happy _right now_. | 15:37 |
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| johnthetubaguy | lol | 15:38 |
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| johnthetubaguy | also I could upset him... | 15:38 |
| johnthetubaguy | but anyways | 15:38 |
| johnthetubaguy | #topic Open Discussion | 15:38 |
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| johnthetubaguy | any one got anything? | 15:38 |
| matel | None from me | 15:38 |
| BobBall | ummm | 15:39 |
| BobBall | I thought so | 15:39 |
| BobBall | but I can't remember what it was | 15:39 |
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| BobBall | so I'll say no | 15:39 |
| johnthetubaguy | OK | 15:39 |
| johnthetubaguy | so meeting ending in 3…. | 15:39 |
| johnthetubaguy | 2…. | 15:39 |
| thouveng | I'm here :) | 15:39 |
| thouveng | but nothing to add | 15:40 |
| johnthetubaguy | 1 ... | 15:40 |
| matel | hahaha | 15:40 |
| johnthetubaguy | :) | 15:40 |
| thouveng | I'm thinking about all your comments :) | 15:40 |
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| johnthetubaguy | have a good week, until next time... | 15:40 |
| johnthetubaguy | #endmeeting | 15:40 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 15:40 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jan 29 15:40:43 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:40 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/xenapi/2014/xenapi.2014-01-29-15.00.html | 15:40 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/xenapi/2014/xenapi.2014-01-29-15.00.txt | 15:40 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/xenapi/2014/xenapi.2014-01-29-15.00.log.html | 15:40 |
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| hartsocks | #startmeeting vmwareapi | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jan 29 17:00:15 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is hartsocks. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: vmwareapi)" | 17:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'vmwareapi' | 17:00 |
| hartsocks | Greetings stackers! | 17:00 |
| hartsocks | Who's about? | 17:00 |
| browne | i'm here | 17:01 |
| rajdeep | This is rajdeep vmware india | 17:01 |
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| hartsocks | rajdeep: hey, welcome! | 17:01 |
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| rajdeep | thanks | 17:01 |
| * mdbooth is here | 17:01 | |
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| hartsocks | probably a short meeting today | 17:02 |
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| rajdeep | what is the agenda | 17:03 |
| hartsocks | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/VMwareAPI#Agenda | 17:03 |
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| hartsocks | :-) just pulling it up | 17:03 |
| hartsocks | #topic bugs | 17:03 |
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| hartsocks | Any new bugs to discuss? | 17:04 |
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| hartsocks | I will make my triage run later today. | 17:04 |
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| garyk | hi | 17:05 |
| hartsocks | hey garyk | 17:05 |
| hartsocks | we're just doing bugs | 17:05 |
| garyk | thanks | 17:05 |
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| hartsocks | I just asked who has a high priority bug they need to discuss here or need to draw attention to. | 17:05 |
| garyk | i have addressed some bugs regarding race conditions that are blocking the CI | 17:05 |
| garyk | i hope those get in | 17:05 |
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| hartsocks | For the record could you link those in the IRC log here? | 17:05 |
| mdbooth | Is anybody specifically focussing on the set of bugs which are causing Tempest failures? | 17:05 |
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| hartsocks | mdbooth: garyk has taken on this | 17:06 |
| mdbooth | Cool | 17:06 |
| hartsocks | garyk: is this an accurate statement of your current efforts? | 17:06 |
| garyk | yeah, something like that | 17:07 |
| garyk | i am currently treating our ci issues | 17:07 |
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| garyk | that is minesweeper. | 17:08 |
| mdbooth | minesweeper being the tool which runs vmwareapi tempest tests... | 17:08 |
| hartsocks | right | 17:08 |
| * mdbooth is trying to jog his memory | 17:08 | |
| mdbooth | thanks | 17:08 |
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| hartsocks | garyk: there seems to be lag between you and I … I'll pause a bit longer to let you type | 17:09 |
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| hartsocks | garyk: could you list these high priority bugs so those present could give them review attention? | 17:09 |
| garyk | sec: | 17:09 |
| garyk | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/69622/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/65306/ | 17:10 |
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| garyk | at the moment the minesweeper queue is 1 day deep. these 2 fixes will help shorten it considerably | 17:10 |
| garyk | ryan has validated them | 17:10 |
| garyk | that is all on my side | 17:11 |
| hartsocks | okay | 17:11 |
| hartsocks | I plan on spending the afternoon with the Minesweeper team to get a better handle on things. | 17:11 |
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| hartsocks | If I find anything to patch, I will coordinate with you first since you are working in this area. | 17:12 |
| garyk | ok, thnaks | 17:12 |
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| mdbooth | Incidentally, there are a couple of outstanding reviews now where we're catching Exception | 17:12 |
| mdbooth | Do we want to accept them as is, and hope we remember to raise more specific exceptions later | 17:13 |
| garyk | mdbooth: at the moment we are not able to catch a specific exception - i have written a TODO for this. | 17:13 |
| mdbooth | Or block now and fix it | 17:13 |
| browne | i noticed that too. shouldn't we catch on a specific exception? | 17:13 |
| browne | ok | 17:13 |
| garyk | mdbooth: i do not think it is reasonable to block these now - that would be detremental for the ci efforts | 17:13 |
| garyk | the connection does not raise the VC error - this is something that we need to develop | 17:14 |
| hartsocks | I'm satisfied with a TODO as it means new coders will know we don't like it but we can't address the problem right now. | 17:14 |
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| garyk | if we had this - and not by parsing a string for the exception then could achieve it - but it is a future developemtn | 17:14 |
| garyk | hartsocks: agreed | 17:14 |
| mdbooth | May I suggest that all these patches add entries to a central TODO list | 17:14 |
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| mdbooth | or risk being missed when the problem is addressed later | 17:15 |
| hartsocks | I like this so much I'm putting it on my own backlog. | 17:15 |
| garyk | mdbooth: feel free to open a bug on launchpad | 17:15 |
| mdbooth | I think there's reasonable potential for hair loss here :) | 17:15 |
| hartsocks | heh | 17:15 |
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| garyk | not sure that i agree but maybe i am just too practical for this discussion | 17:16 |
| hartsocks | ? | 17:16 |
| garyk | what i am trying to say is that we have a real issue. sadly the fix is as good as it gets at the moment without taking a few days of new developments. it solves a real problem | 17:16 |
| hartsocks | mdbooth,garyk: let's discuss this off line. Maybe I misunderstand something. Either way, a central report on all "TODO" items is a pretty standard thing to have. I'm sure there's a tool to make it. | 17:17 |
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| mdbooth | +1 | 17:18 |
| garyk | +1 | 17:18 |
| hartsocks | okay. | 17:18 |
| rajdeep | can't we parse the exception string | 17:19 |
| rajdeep | ? | 17:19 |
| hartsocks | #action discuss central TODO list of all known driver issues | 17:19 |
| hartsocks | rajdeep: I'm thinking that probably feels like a hack to people. And in general, it's nice to be able to catch as narrow an exception hierarchy as you can. | 17:20 |
| rajdeep | ok | 17:20 |
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| hartsocks | rajdeep: it is possible that could be the only and best solution, but we would probably have to explain why so future maintainers don't sit in IRC having the same discussion we are having now. :-) | 17:21 |
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| hartsocks | Just to record those two reviews in the meeting notes summary… 1 second please | 17:21 |
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| hartsocks | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/69622/ - please review - priority performance bug | 17:22 |
| hartsocks | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/65306/ - please review - priority performance bug | 17:22 |
| hartsocks | … okay, that will show up in the notes now because I used the "#link" marker. | 17:22 |
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| hartsocks | Moving on. | 17:23 |
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| hartsocks | Anything else with bugs people would like to call out before we move to Blueprints discussion? | 17:23 |
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| _mdbooth_ | My connection seems to have hug there, so I will have missed anything after the action item | 17:23 |
| hartsocks | s'okay I was just marking things for the log generator. | 17:24 |
| hartsocks | #topic blueprints | 17:24 |
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| hartsocks | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/vmware-subteam-icehouse | 17:24 |
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| hartsocks | I may start doing this etherpad for each cycle. It lets us see priority order of blueprints. | 17:24 |
| hartsocks | Basically the short of it is we have 6 BP for Nova. | 17:25 |
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| hartsocks | The top 2 are on Gary's plate and are also performance related. | 17:26 |
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| garyk | i think that the 6 mentioned are already coded and waiting review | 17:26 |
| hartsocks | yeah | 17:26 |
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| garyk | we also have a few pending approval - some have already been implemented | 17:26 |
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| hartsocks | as far as I know these were all ready for i-2 | 17:26 |
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| hartsocks | (the top priority ones anyway) | 17:26 |
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| garyk | correct. not sure if you guys saw russells mail from today/yesterday regardong bps for icehouse | 17:27 |
| garyk | the 4th feb is the last day to draft a bp | 17:27 |
| garyk | the 18th is the last day to have code for the bp | 17:27 |
| hartsocks | okay. | 17:28 |
| garyk | not sure if the core reviewers have cycles to deal with all of these, but that is another issue | 17:28 |
| hartsocks | all we can do is the best work we can. | 17:28 |
| browne | so, newbie, question: what's the procedural to get a blueprint approved? | 17:28 |
| * hartsocks digs for link | 17:28 | |
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| hartsocks | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Blueprints | 17:29 |
| browne | thx | 17:29 |
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| hartsocks | In short, you propose it and you flip the little status widgets on it to record your progress. | 17:29 |
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| hartsocks | Many folks miss the part about setting your milestone. | 17:30 |
| hartsocks | we can go over that off line. | 17:30 |
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| hartsocks | (or on the other channel) | 17:30 |
| browne | ok | 17:30 |
| hartsocks | browne: do you have anything on your security blueprints or do you need more time? | 17:31 |
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| browne | i'm prototyping something for https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/vmware-encrypt-vcenter-passwords | 17:31 |
| hartsocks | cool. | 17:32 |
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| mdbooth | browne: Is the related to why you were asking about certificate checking? | 17:32 |
| hartsocks | I have rights on that BP so I'm flipping Implementation: to "In progress" | 17:32 |
| browne | mdbooth: no that was separate | 17:33 |
| browne | hartsocks: ok | 17:33 |
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| hartsocks | oh, it says I'm working on it… oh well. You know where the switch is now. When you are ready for core-reviewer you flip that to "needs review" | 17:34 |
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| hartsocks | okay. | 17:34 |
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| hartsocks | mdbooth: we discussed you doing some light refactorings … do you have anything on that yet? | 17:35 |
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| mdbooth | hartsocks: I started, but it was clear that I was heavily treading on outstanding patches | 17:35 |
| mdbooth | e.g. at least 2 of garyk's | 17:35 |
| mdbooth | namely image cache and boot from iso | 17:35 |
| hartsocks | mdbooth: okay. Thanks for being aware of other developer's efforts. | 17:36 |
| mdbooth | Given that it's low priority, I don't think it's currently worth it | 17:36 |
| mdbooth | Well, I have garyk to thank :) | 17:36 |
| mdbooth | He's extremely responsive to both reviews and on IRC | 17:36 |
| hartsocks | mdbooth: I am fairly certain it would have to be a BP anyway. | 17:36 |
| garyk | mdbooth: you have spent valuable time finding a serious bug | 17:36 |
| hartsocks | let's not lose that information then. | 17:37 |
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| hartsocks | can we get that info recorded somewhere? | 17:37 |
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| mdbooth | There's a bug for the spawn() with multiple disks bug | 17:38 |
| hartsocks | link? | 17:38 |
| mdbooth | https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1271966 | 17:38 |
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| hartsocks | okay. | 17:38 |
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| mdbooth | I also spent a few hours writing pseudocode for the existing spawn() | 17:38 |
| garyk | nice cath kudos | 17:39 |
| mdbooth | And I've spent a good while looking at how libvirt does it | 17:39 |
| mdbooth | I think we need an effort to have common code for this for all drivers | 17:39 |
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| hartsocks | it would be nice to have a coarser grained set of building blocks for what a driver does… | 17:40 |
| hartsocks | … or maybe something that allowed drivers to be thinner? | 17:40 |
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| hartsocks | But that's a whole conversation there. | 17:41 |
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| hartsocks | (beyond just the fact that the drivers commonly duplicate code) | 17:41 |
| mdbooth | Indeed. On this specific point, I think the arguments to spawn() could be improved | 17:41 |
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| mdbooth | block_device_mapping could be almost entirely resolved by the api | 17:42 |
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| mdbooth | leaving the driver to do image cache management, and connect the previously mapped disks in order | 17:42 |
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| hartsocks | mdbooth: I'm hearing input from folks like yourself, vuil, vipin, garyk … it sounds like maybe we need to meet up and get on the same page. | 17:44 |
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| hartsocks | mdbooth: many of you may be working on the same ideas and it would be good to share the load. | 17:45 |
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| hartsocks | We're kind of there anyway… so ... | 17:45 |
| hartsocks | #topic open discussion | 17:45 |
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| mdbooth | I'd like to drawn attention to this: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/69652/ | 17:46 |
| mdbooth | Specifically the test pattern | 17:46 |
| mdbooth | I quite like it | 17:46 |
| garyk | that was the patch that i was giving the kudos for | 17:46 |
| mdbooth | I've mocked the suds client | 17:46 |
| hartsocks | mdbooth: awesome | 17:46 |
| hartsocks | have I mentioned I don't like fake.py? | 17:47 |
| mdbooth | Anyway, I think it's neat, and probably generally useful | 17:47 |
| mdbooth | Hence I'm bringing it up | 17:47 |
| mdbooth | hartsocks: You did :) | 17:47 |
| mdbooth | If it's generally useful, it's probably in the wrong place | 17:47 |
| hartsocks | If we're calling out work, I've been scratching around here: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+branch:master+topic:session-management-refactor,n,z | 17:48 |
| hartsocks | … mostly … I was after this: | 17:48 |
| hartsocks | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/66378/4/nova/tests/virt/vmwareapi/test_driver.py | 17:49 |
| hartsocks | line 120 | 17:49 |
| vuil | mdbooth: Yeah, nice work. That is a neat useful way to mock the soap calls. | 17:49 |
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| hartsocks | … I'm not 100% sure it's good work but I'm trying to find something better. | 17:49 |
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| hartsocks | The basic premise is I noted the driver will sometimes try and "wait_for_task" ... | 17:50 |
| hartsocks | … but there's no previous task on the session. | 17:50 |
| hartsocks | So I was hoping to find some way we could do something like a database transaction. | 17:50 |
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| hartsocks | This is probably too big to realistically make icehouse but the BP is approved. | 17:51 |
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| hartsocks | I consider it lower priority than gary's work. | 17:52 |
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| hartsocks | anything else to discuss? | 17:53 |
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| garyk | not on my side | 17:55 |
| hartsocks | great. | 17:55 |
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| hartsocks | We'll knock off early for once. | 17:55 |
| hartsocks | #endmeeting | 17:56 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jan 29 17:56:18 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:56 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vmwareapi/2014/vmwareapi.2014-01-29-17.00.html | 17:56 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vmwareapi/2014/vmwareapi.2014-01-29-17.00.txt | 17:56 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vmwareapi/2014/vmwareapi.2014-01-29-17.00.log.html | 17:56 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: hi, thanks for making it :-) | 17:59 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: Hi Sumit | 17:59 |
| SumitNaiksatam | RajeshMohan: garyduan yisun there? | 18:00 |
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| RajeshMohan | Hi | 18:01 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | ok lets get started | 18:02 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | #startmeeting Networking FWaaS | 18:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jan 29 18:02:12 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SumitNaiksatam. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:02 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking_fwaas' | 18:02 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | #info feature proposal freeze deadline is Feb 18th | 18:02 |
| SumitNaiksatam | any thoughts/questions on that? | 18:03 |
| SridarK | so all BP's shd be in approved state | 18:03 |
| SridarK | by then ? | 18:03 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: i think patches have to land by then | 18:03 |
| SridarK | ok so the patch shd be in review | 18:04 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: yeah, nicer way to put it :-) | 18:04 |
| SridarK | and we have until Mar 6 (or couple of days b4) to get it merged | 18:04 |
| SridarK | :-) | 18:04 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: yeah | 18:04 |
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| SridarK | I will need to get the CLI for service insertion (complement to RajeshMohan's patch) out for review soon | 18:05 |
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| SridarK | Will sync up with u guys offline and push it out possibly by end of the week | 18:05 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: ok good | 18:06 |
| SumitNaiksatam | lets get that as a part of the particular topic as well | 18:06 |
| SridarK | ok sorry | 18:06 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: oh on worries, thanks for brining it up | 18:06 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: since you are around, lets start with the tempest updated | 18:07 |
| SridarK | ok | 18:07 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic temptest testing | 18:07 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: whats the latest on this? | 18:07 |
| SridarK | even b4 tempest - basic manual testing of VPNaaS and FWaaS looks good | 18:07 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: yeah, good, we would like to know :-) | 18:08 |
| SumitNaiksatam | beyounn: hi | 18:08 |
| SridarK | want to try a few more and will wrap it up with a log/doc | 18:08 |
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| beyounn | hello | 18:08 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: ok | 18:08 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: but can we spin off a tempest run in parallel? | 18:08 |
| SridarK | on tempest, see many failures, then disabled fwaas & vpnaas and see similar kind of issues | 18:09 |
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| SridarK | failures are in many other components not quite related | 18:09 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: ok, do those correlate to existing issues in recheck? | 18:09 |
| SridarK | so checking to see if i need to set up the conf any differently | 18:09 |
| SridarK | i am checking on that | 18:09 |
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| SridarK | could possibly be the same | 18:10 |
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| SridarK | given that base line also has issues - i dont think we are introducing any additional failures | 18:10 |
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| SridarK | but need to validate that to be sure | 18:10 |
| SridarK | then we can put out a report | 18:10 |
| beyounn | I had the same problem when I run tempest for my service group | 18:11 |
| SumitNaiksatam | beyounn: ok | 18:11 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: just so that we are on the same page, how are you running the tempest tests? | 18:11 |
| SridarK | I was hoping to get a summary report so it will be easier to verify - have not figured out how to do tht yet | 18:11 |
| SridarK | i use the run_tempest script | 18:12 |
| SridarK | and am using the default conf that is present | 18:12 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: so, you are not using tester? | 18:12 |
| SumitNaiksatam | *testr | 18:12 |
| SridarK | i was not sure abt this so have asked for some local clarifications | 18:12 |
| SridarK | i thought this is a wrapper over that | 18:12 |
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| SridarK | perhaps i am wrong | 18:13 |
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| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: I could also sync up with u more on this offline | 18:14 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: ok, but you are not still seeing the summarized information on the tests, right? | 18:14 |
| SridarK | no i did not - i do see results but have not seen summary | 18:15 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: ok, we sync up offline | 18:15 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: Ok will do | 18:15 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: by next week we want to give an firm update on whether the gate can turn on fwaas | 18:18 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: this is independent of the tempest test failures that are already known | 18:18 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: Yes will have this wrapped up in the next day or two | 18:18 |
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| SridarK | So as long as we are not introducing anything new we are good and can provide that update for the next neutron mtg | 18:19 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: ok, i think documenting your findings is a good idea | 18:19 |
| SridarK | * new failures | 18:19 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: Sounds good - we can review b4 the mtg | 18:19 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: as you were planning, if you can create a new child page on the fwaas wiki, we can point the rest of the community to it | 18:20 |
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| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: Will do | 18:20 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: any chance that we can have this info by friday? | 18:21 |
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| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: Yes should not be a problem | 18:22 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: great, thanks | 18:22 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | ok so moving on | 18:23 |
| SumitNaiksatam | is garyduan around? | 18:24 |
| beyounn | no, here is not in yet | 18:24 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ah ok | 18:24 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic service_type framework | 18:24 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | beyounn: do you know if garyduan is planning to rebase? | 18:26 |
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| beyounn | yes | 18:26 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/60699/ | 18:26 |
| beyounn | he will do that | 18:26 |
| beyounn | I will follow up with him and see if he can have time to do it today | 18:27 |
| SumitNaiksatam | beyounn: great | 18:27 |
| SumitNaiksatam | beyounn: at this point just a rebase, and that should trigger another build | 18:27 |
| beyounn | ok | 18:27 |
| SumitNaiksatam | beyounn: are there any other blockers for him that you are aware of? | 18:28 |
| beyounn | I don't know, but I will check with him | 18:28 |
| SumitNaiksatam | beyounn: ok thanks | 18:28 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Service Insertion and Firewall | 18:29 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/62599/ | 18:29 |
| SumitNaiksatam | RajeshMohan: hi | 18:29 |
| SumitNaiksatam | RajeshMohan: i know you are blocked a little bit by the service type patch | 18:29 |
| RajeshMohan | hi | 18:29 |
| RajeshMohan | If we are confident that it will be merged - then I can move my changes to Gary's patch | 18:30 |
| SumitNaiksatam | RajeshMohan: i think we should do that | 18:30 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | RajeshMohan: at this point its matter of when versus if | 18:30 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | RajeshMohan: but what about the other changes we were planning | 18:31 |
| RajeshMohan | SumitNaiksatam: In that case, I will move to his patch first | 18:31 |
| SumitNaiksatam | RajeshMohan: ok | 18:31 |
| SumitNaiksatam | RajeshMohan: so you will first rebase off his patch, and then make the earlier planned changes? | 18:32 |
| RajeshMohan | SumitNaiksatam:I am already looking at his patch but developing my code on trunk | 18:32 |
| RajeshMohan | SumitNaiksatam: Yes, I will move to his patch first and then make the planned changes | 18:32 |
| SumitNaiksatam | RajeshMohan: ok | 18:32 |
| SumitNaiksatam | RajeshMohan: thanks | 18:33 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so while SridarK is still here | 18:33 |
| SumitNaiksatam | I believe we need have to sync up on the CLI? | 18:33 |
| SridarK | I am here :-) | 18:33 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK RajeshMohan? | 18:33 |
| SridarK | Yes | 18:33 |
| RajeshMohan | SumitNaiksatam:Yes | 18:33 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | you guys already have a plan? | 18:34 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | else we can set aside some time for a meeting | 18:34 |
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| RajeshMohan | SumitNaiksatam:we (Sridar & myself) will synch up offline | 18:34 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: RajeshMohan: Yes that was our thought to meet to run thru the changes | 18:35 |
| RajeshMohan | SumitNaiksatam: we will update in the next meeting | 18:35 |
| SridarK | We can discuss offline to sched a time | 18:35 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #action SridarK to set up offline meeting to discuss insertion CLI | 18:35 |
| SumitNaiksatam | RajeshMohan: any thoughts on Horizon integration | 18:36 |
| SumitNaiksatam | RajeshMohan: we need the client before that, but we need that as well | 18:36 |
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| RajeshMohan | SumitNaiksatam:I think it will be useful to start on Horizon after we post some initial patch of CLI | 18:37 |
| garyduan | sorry, I am late | 18:37 |
| SumitNaiksatam | RajeshMohan: ok, only thing is the timing | 18:38 |
| SumitNaiksatam | garyduan: hi | 18:38 |
| SumitNaiksatam | garyduan: we can circle back to you once we are done with the other topics | 18:38 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | RajeshMohan: i am not sure if we will have enough time to post the patch before I3 | 18:38 |
| garyduan | ok | 18:38 |
| RajeshMohan | SumitNaiksatam:I understand. In the worst case, the horizon will not be broken | 18:38 |
| SumitNaiksatam | RajeshMohan SridarK: what do you think? | 18:38 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: So will definitely try to get the CLI out as quickly as possible | 18:39 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | RajeshMohan SridarK: also what is our contingency? | 18:39 |
| SridarK | I guess we defn need to have this correct ? | 18:39 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: yeah | 18:39 |
| RajeshMohan | SumitNaiksatam: The horizon will not pass insertion-context and we will make sure the code works as before | 18:39 |
| SumitNaiksatam | RajeshMohan: ok, but that would mean applying the changes on all routers | 18:40 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | RajeshMohan: i think we should have the horizon patch at least | 18:40 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | RajeshMohan: lets discuss during CLI meeting | 18:41 |
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| RajeshMohan | SumitNaiksatam: What I am saying is, if we cannot meet the I3 timeline, we will not break Horizon with this new feature | 18:41 |
| SumitNaiksatam | RajeshMohan: agree | 18:41 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | RajeshMohan: ok, anything more on this topic? | 18:41 |
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| RajeshMohan | SumitNaiksatam:Just to confirm, to merge, is Horizon a must? | 18:42 |
| SumitNaiksatam | RajeshMohan: not that i am aware of | 18:42 |
| garyduan | One more question, not sure if it's discussed today | 18:42 |
| SumitNaiksatam | RajeshMohan: we would would need CLI/client though | 18:42 |
| garyduan | about if we need source/dest context? | 18:42 |
| RajeshMohan | SumitNaiksatam:I do not want to write some code and not merge. Horizon looks difficult at this stage. | 18:42 |
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| RajeshMohan | SumitNaiksatam:Yes - agree on CLI | 18:43 |
| SumitNaiksatam | RajeshMohan: you mean write code for Horizon which does not merge? | 18:43 |
| RajeshMohan | garyduan: Zones is planned for Firewall | 18:43 |
| RajeshMohan | garyduan: I think zones are the way to attach semantics to ports | 18:43 |
| SumitNaiksatam | garyduan RajeshMohan sorry, lets wrap up the discussion on horizon support | 18:44 |
| RajeshMohan | garyduan: the insertion context solves the problem of reference implementation - we insert firewall on all routers which is really bad | 18:44 |
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| RajeshMohan | SumitNaiksatam:ok | 18:44 |
| garyduan | RajeshMohan: let's discuss later | 18:44 |
| SumitNaiksatam | : RajeshMohan: you mean write code for Horizon which does not merge? | 18:45 |
| RajeshMohan | SumitNaiksatam:No write code for insertion-context and not merge | 18:45 |
| SumitNaiksatam | RajeshMohan: ah, on account of horizon dependency? | 18:45 |
| RajeshMohan | SumitNaiksatam:I am ok if Horizon code does not merge | 18:45 |
| RajeshMohan | SumitNaiksatam: Yes | 18:45 |
| SumitNaiksatam | RajeshMohan: i have not seen that to be a requirement before | 18:46 |
| RajeshMohan | SumitNaiksatam:if it is only dependent on CLI, then we have good chance to get in by I3 | 18:46 |
| SumitNaiksatam | RajeshMohan: i don't think anything has changed | 18:46 |
| SumitNaiksatam | RajeshMohan: yeah | 18:46 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | RajeshMohan: so we are good, lets focus first as planned on your patch and the CLI, but at the side also explore what needs to be done for Horizon | 18:47 |
| RajeshMohan | SumitNaiksatam: will do; did we decide who will work on it? | 18:47 |
| SumitNaiksatam | RajeshMohan: no specific person assigned for Horizon yet, thinking was that we will discuss and see how we can share it | 18:48 |
| RajeshMohan | SumitNaiksatam: who will work on Horizon - I can help with whatever I know but I am not planning to code that part | 18:48 |
| SumitNaiksatam | RajeshMohan: ok we can take it offline and see how we can handle that | 18:48 |
| SumitNaiksatam | garyduan: your question about source/dest | 18:49 |
| garyduan | Yes | 18:49 |
| SumitNaiksatam | garyduan: one point is what RajeshMohan mentioned regarding zones | 18:49 |
| garyduan | I understand Router context doesn't require s/d | 18:49 |
| SumitNaiksatam | garyduan: i also commented regarding there being a list of resource ids | 18:49 |
| SumitNaiksatam | garyduan: so you can specify multiple | 18:49 |
| SridarK | Guys sorry i need to bail now - will sync up later offline | 18:50 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: thanks much for joining, later | 18:50 |
| SumitNaiksatam | garyduan: does that not sound okay? | 18:50 |
| SridarK | lter bye | 18:50 |
| garyduan | SumitNaiksatam: my understanding is subnet/port does need source and dest | 18:51 |
| RajeshMohan | garyduan: the insertion-context is common for all services | 18:51 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | RajeshMohan: thats correct | 18:52 |
| RajeshMohan | garyduan: source-dest makes sense for firewall | 18:52 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | garyduan: ok lets take this discussion offline | 18:52 |
| garyduan | RajeshMohan: ok. so firewall, we only use router for insertion | 18:53 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #action garyduan to initiate offline discussion on source/dest for subnets/ports | 18:53 |
| garyduan | RajeshMohan: until we have chain | 18:53 |
| SumitNaiksatam | since beyounn has been waiting lets give him some time :-) | 18:53 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Service Objects | 18:53 |
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| beyounn | Mine will be quick | 18:53 |
| RajeshMohan | garyduan: I would like to discuss this in more depth with you; let's do it offline | 18:54 |
| beyounn | I sent email, please help to review | 18:54 |
| beyounn | and here are links | 18:54 |
| beyounn | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/69171/ | 18:54 |
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| beyounn | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/67784/ | 18:54 |
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| beyounn | Done, thanks :-) | 18:54 |
| beyounn | BTW-- the CLI unit testing is coming too | 18:55 |
| beyounn | And one more question | 18:55 |
| SumitNaiksatam | beyounn: sweet | 18:55 |
| beyounn | If I have unit test cases, do I still need to write separate tempest? | 18:55 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/69171/ | 18:55 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/67784/ | 18:55 |
| SumitNaiksatam | beyounn: we will eventually need to write tempest tests for every feature | 18:56 |
| SumitNaiksatam | beyounn: so yes | 18:56 |
| beyounn | ok | 18:56 |
| beyounn | All done from me | 18:56 |
| beyounn | :-) | 18:56 |
| SumitNaiksatam | beyounn: i don't know that it's a requirement for the neutron patch | 18:56 |
| SumitNaiksatam | beyounn: i don't think so | 18:56 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | beyounn: so you are not blocked on anything, right? | 18:56 |
| beyounn | just code review | 18:57 |
| RajeshMohan | beyounn: How is this mapped to IPTables - the reference implementation? | 18:57 |
| beyounn | Rajesh: Let's talk about this after I finished CLI unit test | 18:57 |
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| RajeshMohan | beyounn: Is IPTables aware of service-objects or it still works with protocol and port numbers? | 18:57 |
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| RajeshMohan | beyounn:OK, thanks. | 18:57 |
| beyounn | Rajesh:At this stage, no one known service-object test | 18:58 |
| SumitNaiksatam | beyounn: yeah, we would need the backend driver implementation for the APIs to go in | 18:58 |
| beyounn | the service-object is just a separated resource | 18:58 |
| beyounn | Sumit: all right | 18:58 |
| SumitNaiksatam | beyounn: no rush, you have marked it as WIP | 18:58 |
| beyounn | Sumit: right, but please do take a look and give feedbacks | 18:59 |
| SumitNaiksatam | beyounn: when we move it out of WIP, we will need an end-to-end flow working | 18:59 |
| RajeshMohan | beyounn:is this feature for Icehouse? | 18:59 |
| SumitNaiksatam | beyounn: yes sure, not saying that we should not review | 18:59 |
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| beyounn | Rajesh, I'm not rush it for I release at the moment | 18:59 |
| RajeshMohan | beyounn: ok, then we have lot of time :-) | 19:00 |
| SumitNaiksatam | beyounn: but you will unfortunately not get too many cores looking at it until there is end to end flow work | 19:00 |
| beyounn | Rajesh, but it we can catch on the I train, that is greate | 19:00 |
| beyounn | s/it/if/ | 19:00 |
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| RajeshMohan | beyounn:ok | 19:00 |
| garyduan | BTW, I just rebased and submitted path for service type framework. | 19:00 |
| beyounn | Sumit, understood, and I will work on it after the cli unit test | 19:00 |
| SumitNaiksatam | beyounn: great thanks | 19:01 |
| SumitNaiksatam | we are out time | 19:01 |
| SumitNaiksatam | thanks all for attending | 19:01 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | more follow up over emails and mailers | 19:02 |
| SumitNaiksatam | thanks all! | 19:02 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #endmeeting | 19:02 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jan 29 19:02:10 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:02 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_fwaas/2014/networking_fwaas.2014-01-29-18.02.html | 19:02 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_fwaas/2014/networking_fwaas.2014-01-29-18.02.txt | 19:02 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_fwaas/2014/networking_fwaas.2014-01-29-18.02.log.html | 19:02 |
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| stevebaker | #startmeeting heat | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jan 29 20:00:00 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is stevebaker. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'heat' | 20:00 |
| stevebaker | #topic rollcall | 20:00 |
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| shardy | o/ | 20:00 |
| tspatzier | hi | 20:00 |
| jasond` | o/ | 20:00 |
| andersonvom | \o | 20:00 |
| stevebaker | hi all! | 20:00 |
| pshchelo | hi | 20:00 |
| spzala | Hi | 20:00 |
| sdake | o/ | 20:00 |
| pafuent | hi | 20:00 |
| chmouel | hello | 20:00 |
| zaneb | howdy | 20:00 |
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| jpeeler | hey | 20:00 |
| stevebaker | no actions last week | 20:01 |
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| stevebaker | #topic adding items to the agenda | 20:01 |
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| stevebaker | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/HeatAgenda#Agenda_.282014-1-29.29 | 20:01 |
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| stevebaker | any extra topics? | 20:02 |
| stevebaker | alright then | 20:02 |
| stevebaker | #topic Remove the intention of ever having an XML API | 20:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Remove the intention of ever having an XML API (Meeting topic: heat)" | 20:02 | |
| sdake | +1 | 20:02 |
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| stevebaker | sdake: I haven't even said anything yet ;) | 20:03 |
| zaneb | +2 | 20:03 |
| shardy | stevebaker: jasond` wanted to discuss https://bugs.launchpad.net/heat/+bug/1274201 | 20:03 |
| sdake | +2/+A then ;) | 20:03 |
| jasond` | stevebaker: https://bugs.launchpad.net/heat/+bug/1274201 | 20:03 |
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| SpamapS | o/ | 20:03 |
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| andrew_plunk | o/ | 20:03 |
| stevebaker | so nova have decided to remove XML support from their new v3 API, and nobody seems to mind | 20:03 |
| SpamapS | +1 for burning XML | 20:03 |
| sdake | xml had its time - and that time has passed | 20:04 |
| shardy | +2 lets kill xml, except for the CFN API where it already works | 20:04 |
| stevebaker | apparently java binds nicely to json, so that is a non-issue | 20:04 |
| andersonvom | +1 | 20:04 |
| pshchelo | +1 | 20:04 |
| * samkottler waves | 20:04 | |
| zaneb | stevebaker: so, this one time I wanted to add something to the agenda and it hadn't been created yet. So I copied the last week's and left it there because I didn't know if we moved them to another location? And ever since then we have an infinitely-extending list of old agendas | 20:04 |
| zaneb | samkottler: o/ | 20:04 |
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| stevebaker | all this means for us is that there is a *bunch* of zaneb TODOs which can be deleted :D | 20:05 |
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| stevebaker | zaneb: what is the agenda item to add? | 20:05 |
| zaneb | OK, let's delete them. Because we already decided not to do a native XML api over a year ago | 20:05 |
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| sdake | stevebaker I think zaneb's agenda item is cleaning up the agenda page on the wiki :) | 20:06 |
| stevebaker | #agreed XML can die in a fire | 20:06 |
| zaneb | stevebaker: maybe add an agenda item about removing old agendas from the agenda page ;) | 20:06 |
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| stevebaker | zaneb: I'd rather have a vote on that | 20:06 |
| sdake | i think zaneb kind of ninja added it | 20:06 |
| sdake | but vote wfm | 20:06 |
| stevebaker | that was a joke | 20:06 |
| zaneb | stevebaker: I'm just pointing out that it was all my fault | 20:06 |
| zaneb | so sorry | 20:06 |
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| stevebaker | aaaaaaanywho | 20:07 |
| stevebaker | #topic Policy on deprecating cfn features in the HOT spec | 20:07 |
| andersonvom | stevebaker, zaneb: I think we should have previous agenda and current agenda. | 20:07 |
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| stevebaker | so this was being discussed just now in #heat | 20:07 |
| SpamapS | wha? | 20:07 |
| andrew_plunk | basically some breaking changes were introduced into hot, and either a database migration needs to be introduced, or we need to support a schema with 'String' and 'string' | 20:08 |
| zaneb | so HOT is basically a hacked up prototype on top of the CFN code | 20:08 |
| zaneb | as we create a proper implementation for it, some things that were never proper HOT but which worked will break | 20:09 |
| SpamapS | ahhh | 20:09 |
| zaneb | and andrew_plunk has found the first example of that | 20:09 |
| SpamapS | I'm of the ilk that documentation trumps accidental implementation | 20:09 |
| shardy | AFAIK we have never yet declared HOT to be stable (in fact I specifically said it wasn't when we released Havana) | 20:09 |
| sdake | we aren't locked into hot yet | 20:09 |
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| sdake | i think we agreed icehosue would be the first stable version | 20:10 |
| zaneb | I agree and said as much in #heat | 20:10 |
| tspatzier | zaneb: what was the problem andrew_plunk found? | 20:10 |
| sdake | but we should consider that decision carefully | 20:10 |
| andrew_plunk | it is still painful to introduce breaking changes without some kind of migration | 20:10 |
| jasond` | tspatzier: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/67844/1/tempest/cli/simple_read_only/heat_templates/heat_minimal_hot.yaml | 20:10 |
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| SpamapS | Also I feel that the HOT in Havana was discouraged to even be used, and thus I don't think we should try too hard to coddle early adopters.. but we should try hard to make it clear that this is the policy. | 20:10 |
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| zaneb | the issue is for people who have templates in the db that Heat now cannot read | 20:10 |
| andrew_plunk | the hot schema used to support the type 'String' | 20:10 |
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| andrew_plunk | tspatzier ^^ | 20:10 |
| zaneb | tspatzier: it was type: String vs string | 20:10 |
| stevebaker | Can we say that the "migration" for any changes up to icehouse will be deleting and re-creating your stack? | 20:10 |
| sdake | stevebaker wfm | 20:11 |
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| andrew_plunk | imagine people with production heat | 20:11 |
| zaneb | stevebaker: you won't be able to delete your stack either | 20:11 |
| SpamapS | also it wouldn't hurt to just poll the openstack@ mailing list to find out if anybody's world will implode if we break havana's HOT. | 20:11 |
| tspatzier | zaneb, andrew_plunk : ah yes, that was the thing I actually changed in tempest | 20:11 |
| stevebaker | zaneb: and fixing any issues which result in undeletable stacks | 20:11 |
| shardy | andrew_plunk: why would they be using HOT in production, when we specifically said it was unstable? | 20:11 |
| chmouel | would that only be for templates using hot? | 20:11 |
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| chmouel | or cfn as well? | 20:11 |
| andrew_plunk | Anyone can submit templates against our hot | 20:12 |
| stevebaker | chmouel: only hot, cfn should be stable | 20:12 |
| zaneb | SpamapS: we had a tempest test failing and andrew_plunk and tims have both had problems, so it's safe to say the answer will be 'yes' | 20:12 |
| andrew_plunk | you can submit whatever syntax you want. | 20:12 |
| andrew_plunk | against our heat* | 20:12 |
| zaneb | chmouel: only HOT | 20:12 |
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| kebray | stevebaker I don't like that delete and re-create approach. The community for Heat is large, even if people are only using it for experimental purposes. | 20:12 |
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| SpamapS | zaneb: hm. Tempest tests I'm not worried about.. that is something we have direct control over. Andrew and Tim can chime in on whether it was world-imploding or just inconvenient. | 20:13 |
| shardy | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ReleaseNotes/Havana#Initial_support_for_native_template_language_.28HOT.29 | 20:13 |
| zaneb | SpamapS: it's drop-your-db-and-start-again inconvenient | 20:13 |
| sdake | kebray it seems clear we had a developer consensus that hot was not prime time for havana | 20:13 |
| andrew_plunk | I think it is pretty standard in software development that if you introduce a breaking change, you migrate over the data that you are breaking | 20:13 |
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| tspatzier | So there have been some code pieces that accepted "legacy" spelling, and we only kept samples in heat-templates in one format. What happened now was that one of those tolerant code pieces got removed. | 20:13 |
| sdake | kebray what do you suggest, supporting something we did not agree we would support? | 20:14 |
| kebray | sdake I'm not arguing that point. | 20:14 |
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| SpamapS | zaneb: that's a bug, isn't it? | 20:14 |
| tspatzier | I would opt for removing all such pieces and force everyone to stick to the hot specification | 20:14 |
| kebray | sdake I'm suggesting that, when possible, we minimize the breaking change or provide a migration path. I think that can be done in this case, no? | 20:14 |
| zaneb | SpamapS: well, you have your template stored in the database. it was valid at the time you created the stack, but now it's not, so Heat can't load it | 20:14 |
| sdake | kebray if an exception is made once, it sets a precedence that an exception can be made later | 20:15 |
| sdake | this is the problem with standards in general | 20:15 |
| sdake | when we say we are going to support forward migration, we better mean it :) | 20:15 |
| sdake | we said no such thing previously | 20:15 |
| zaneb | as much as I wish we could ignore this problem, I think kebray is right | 20:15 |
| stevebaker | this would be the first migration which needs to load the template data-structure, change something, and save it again. If someone did the tooling to make that easy then that sounds like a useful thing anyway | 20:15 |
| SpamapS | zaneb: right, that seems like a bug in Heat. | 20:15 |
| zaneb | so let's talk about possible solutions | 20:15 |
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| zaneb | 1) add a DB migration to fix up existing templates | 20:16 |
| radix | hi | 20:16 |
| zaneb | 2) continue accepting broken templates up until a certain date. If people don't update by then, they're hosed | 20:16 |
| stevebaker | +1 on 1) if somebody is prepared to write the migration | 20:17 |
| zaneb | 3) bump the version date of HOT. only accept the cfn stuff for the older version | 20:17 |
| andrew_plunk | 2 will require people to migrate their database anyway, so I vote for #1 | 20:17 |
| stevebaker | we'll need a volunteer to sign up for this one though | 20:17 |
| andrew_plunk | I volunteer for the migration | 20:17 |
| andersonvom | +1 on (1) as well. | 20:17 |
| stevebaker | andrew_plunk: nice one | 20:17 |
| sdake | so just that I understand the migration | 20:18 |
| sdake | the idea is the hot spec will still be "string" but the database will be modified on first-run of heat-engine to change String to "string" ? | 20:18 |
| chmouel | make me think we should add a template validaton job to heat-templates jenkins gate | 20:18 |
| zaneb | sdake: we go through the database, and fix any existing HOT templates in there | 20:18 |
| stevebaker | sdake: it will just be a migration script, like the others | 20:18 |
| cmyster | 1++ plus in 2, people uploading broken templates might complain | 20:18 |
| andrew_plunk | correct sdake: I think we should check for other types too | 20:18 |
| zaneb | sdake: yes, but as stevebaker said | 20:19 |
| sdake | cool that works for me - in that case no exception is made | 20:19 |
| sdake | we are just fixing a bug via an extra tool rather then providing exceptions to the standard | 20:19 |
| zaneb | andrew_plunk: yeah, just convert all type: values to lower case | 20:19 |
| kebray | sdake cool.. works for me too. I'm happy. | 20:19 |
| andrew_plunk | sounds good zaneb | 20:19 |
| stevebaker | #topic Rackspace authentication is broken | 20:19 |
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| stevebaker | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/heat/+bug/1274201 | 20:20 |
| tspatzier | There some more of those issues in the current HOT code. E.g. in a resource you can use 'type' or 'Type', or 'properties' or 'Properties'. We should fix this also ASAP | 20:20 |
| zaneb | tspatzier: ++ | 20:20 |
| shardy | So, I added some comments to the bug, jasond` can you summarize your position? | 20:20 |
| stevebaker | I suppose this also means standalone heat on havana openstack is also broken? (or is keystone v3 complete in havana?) | 20:20 |
| shardy | do you have a migration path towards v3 keystone (or something compatible?) | 20:20 |
| jasond` | so, rackspace uses v2 of its keystone-like API. we just need a way to support v2 along with v3 | 20:21 |
| zaneb | shim? | 20:21 |
| shardy | stevebaker: only until the keystone bugs I fixed get backported to stable/havana | 20:21 |
| tspatzier | zaneb: I can open a bug and do this change. Should be easy. This would be another thing that the migration script would fix then, right? | 20:21 |
| jasond` | i don't know when rackspace might upgrade to v3 | 20:21 |
| shardy | Havana has v3 keystone, it's just the RAX $thing_not_keystone doesn't | 20:21 |
| stevebaker | shardy: OK | 20:21 |
| kebray | stevebaker Rackspace does have a plan to support v3... but, it's gonna be a bit. | 20:22 |
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| shardy | kebray: keystone are deprecating v2 for Juno | 20:22 |
| jasond` | shardy: (it's called the identity service) | 20:22 |
| shardy | so we need to migrate to v3 regardless, and we need the v3 features now | 20:22 |
| kebray | shardy yep.. understood.. but, that doesn't mean that large public clouds make the switch the day Juno code is ready. | 20:22 |
| zaneb | tspatzier: ideally the migration should happen in the same patch, so maybe it is better in a separate script. Copying parts of the first script should make it easy (if not efficient) | 20:22 |
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| SpamapS | probably worth making keystone pluggable. | 20:23 |
| shardy | kebray: but most public clouds will upgrade their entire cloud, no, e.g Icehouse Heat and Icehoue keystone? | 20:23 |
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| sdake | shardy I think that is not always the case unfortunately | 20:23 |
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| SpamapS | In phases sometimes. | 20:23 |
| andrew_plunk | +1 SpamapS | 20:23 |
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| tspatzier | zaneb: ok, I guess I'll synch up with andrew_plunk on the first migration script he will be writing | 20:23 |
| sdake | shardy some faster moving projects will update more often like neutron and heat | 20:23 |
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| stevebaker | kebray: I think this is partly the tension of the heat which is fully integrated with the current development cycle, and the heat which is deployed on older/different clouds | 20:23 |
| andrew_plunk | sounds good tspatzier | 20:24 |
| kebray | shardy don't we all wish things were that easy :-) | 20:24 |
| SpamapS | thing is, I think we can work with the keystone v3 in havana, right? | 20:24 |
| zaneb | sdake: well, the question is how many OpenStack releases back should we be targeting support for? | 20:24 |
| sdake | zaneb good question, I believe long ago we said 1 release back | 20:24 |
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| zaneb | sdake: we test zero releases back, so there is a clue | 20:24 |
| shardy | kebray: well we do have some compatibility with older keystone, but we do need v3 auth | 20:24 |
| zaneb | that maybe we will have a bad time | 20:24 |
| stevebaker | if it is not tested, it is broken ;) | 20:24 |
| SpamapS | so as long as Icehouse Heat works with havana keystone, we've covered the most common pure-OpenStack upgrade scenarios. | 20:24 |
| SpamapS | zaneb: grenade? | 20:25 |
| zaneb | SpamapS: no thanks | 20:25 |
| kebray | is keystone v2 still supported when icehouse is cut, yes? | 20:25 |
| SpamapS | kebray: yes | 20:25 |
| zaneb | SpamapS: I just had one | 20:25 |
| shardy | SpamapS: Havana keystone will work, but there are a couple of pending bugfix backports (mentioned in my commit messages) | 20:25 |
| stevebaker | SpamapS: doesn't grenade that only test upgrades? | 20:25 |
| sdake | keystone v2 is deprecated in icehouse iirc | 20:25 |
| kebray | so, why would we force use of v3 in icehouse? | 20:25 |
| kebray | sdake ok.. I think it's important we sort that out. | 20:26 |
| SpamapS | stevebaker: yeah I think it upgrades everything | 20:26 |
| sdake | shardy can you confirm v2 is deprecated in icehouse? | 20:26 |
| shardy | kebray: because the features we need don't exist in v2 keystone | 20:26 |
| SpamapS | kebray: because v2 doesn't do everything Heat needs. | 20:26 |
| sdake | (the api in keystone) | 20:26 |
| shardy | sdake: Yes, there are lots of noisy warnings in the log to that effect | 20:26 |
| stevebaker | so if someone wrote a v2 shim, should it live in contrib or heat? | 20:27 |
| zaneb | shardy: you said deprecated in Juno... did you mean removed in Juno? | 20:27 |
| sdake | clients are supposed to be forward compatible, so I guess the issue comes down to we are using features which are not in the v2 api which are in the v3 api | 20:27 |
| SpamapS | I don't think we should just tell v2-only alternative keystone backends to stuff it. I do think the onus is on those users to keep that support alive. | 20:27 |
| kebray | shardy SpamapS right.. so, new feature needs v3... but, that feature shouldn't be a requirement to run Heat or for Heat to work until v2 is depricated. | 20:27 |
| sdake | deprecated means it will be removed soon typically | 20:28 |
| sdake | ok, so lets focus on the actual problem, which I think comes down to programming time left before i3 | 20:28 |
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| sdake | shardy is there time to add v2 and v3 support to icehosue heat? | 20:29 |
| shardy | 2014-01-29 20:28:41.793 2230 WARNING keystone.openstack.common.versionutils [-] Deprecated: v2 API is deprecated as of Icehouse in favor of v3 API and may be removed in K. | 20:29 |
| sdake | (if your the only guy doing the work) | 20:29 |
| sdake | eg, to make it backwards compatible | 20:29 |
| shardy | sdake: I've just been removing the hybrid v2/v3 support, because supporting both is a total mess | 20:29 |
| shardy | sdake: My proposal is to make the heat_keystoneclient wrapper pluggable so there could be a contrib v2 client | 20:30 |
| sdake | I get that it is architecturally ugly to have v2 and v3 in the same codebase | 20:30 |
| shardy | and I can make the domain features optional via the config file (defaulted to on), like trusts | 20:30 |
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| sdake | so this theoretical v2 cient would model the v3 api then shardy? | 20:30 |
| shardy | sdake: exactly the same interfaces, but raise NotImplemented exceptions for all the trusts/domains stuff | 20:31 |
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| shardy | personally I don't want to maintain it though, it's too much effort to test properly | 20:31 |
| stevebaker | kebray: It looks like we're angling for volunteers again ;) | 20:32 |
| sdake | so shardy just to be clear, I think your pretty swamped just getting v3 rolling and basically don't have bandwidth to deal with a v2 plugin | 20:32 |
| shardy | sdake: exactly | 20:32 |
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| sdake | kebray I think there is a path forward, but as stevebaker points out, in need of a volunteer :) | 20:32 |
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| shardy | If someone wants to independently maintain a v2 plugin, in contrib or /deprecated or something, that's fine | 20:32 |
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| kebray | stevebaker not sure who exactly, but we have to stay on v2 for some period of time.. it's not an option. You don't just upgrade a large public cloud (all services) all at once over night :-) | 20:32 |
| shardy | but look at the heat_keystoneclient.py code in Havana and tell me we want a common client for both versions - we really don't | 20:33 |
| kebray | so, someone at Rackspace will pick it up if no one else does. | 20:33 |
| stevebaker | kebray: we need a v2 shim, but we *really* need icehouse heat to not require admin users to launch stacks | 20:33 |
| sdake | ya, admin for wait conditions really makes heat look sloppy | 20:34 |
| shardy | stevebaker: Note those to requirements are mutually exclusive | 20:34 |
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| sdake | hopefully rax can sort that out in their further updates | 20:34 |
| kebray | agreed an admin user shouldn't be required to launch stacks... iirc, this revolves around admin API capabilities for doing a GET on all stacks. | 20:34 |
| shardy | kebray: doesn't the admin requirement make v2 unworkable for you anyway? | 20:34 |
| stevebaker | or does rax heat not support waitconditions? | 20:34 |
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| SpamapS | kebray: How awesome is identity services btw? Like, does it actually order pizza for you, or does it just call an API that orders pizza for you? (trying to figure out why nobody at Rackspace is working on deploying _keystone_) | 20:35 |
| kebray | shardy the way the admin requirement landed in patches, you are correct that v2 is unworkable, because the patches landed as requiring v3 trusts (if I understand correctly) | 20:35 |
| shardy | kebray: The issue is heat creates keystone users for certain resources, and for Icehouse I want them to be in a separate heat specific domain, which requires v3 keystone | 20:35 |
| kebray | SpamapS hehe.. there is history.. but, I won't derail this meeting with it. | 20:35 |
| shardy | then heat can create the users, instead of the user (so they won't need admin) | 20:35 |
| sdake | shardy I think your approach is correct, and rax is just up against a specific business problem they need to solve | 20:36 |
| shardy | kebray: this has nothing to do with trusts | 20:36 |
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| SpamapS | kebray: I heard some other large public OpenStack provider has a keystone work-alike too.. ;) | 20:36 |
| sdake | the answer isn't "find another way" the answer is "v2 plugin auth with notimplemented raises" | 20:36 |
| kebray | shardy yep, that's the best go-forward solution, agreed. But, in general I want to bring Heat (and HOT) to customers soon... but, HOT isn't ready for customers, which mean Heat isn't ready for customers. So, I want what I can't have from the beginning :-) | 20:36 |
| zaneb | kebray: the admin requirement didn't land in patches, you've always needed admin to create a stack with certain types of resources in it | 20:37 |
| shardy | kebray: This is to do with WaitConditionHandle and ScalingPolicy resources (and User resources associated with ec2 credentials) | 20:37 |
| SpamapS | "Sometimes the wanting, is better than the having." -- George Clooney | 20:37 |
| kebray | zaneb ok.. I think I'm confusing my streams of terminology. | 20:37 |
| zaneb | kebray: the _fix_ for that landed in patches, but requires keystone v3 | 20:37 |
| sdake | i'd rather have then want personally :) | 20:37 |
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| shardy | zaneb: The fix for that is still in the process of landing ;) | 20:38 |
| sdake | I dont think its worth beating up on kebray any more, keith do you agree that the solution outlined is workable on your end? | 20:38 |
| stevebaker | ok, lets move on | 20:38 |
| shardy | but the admin thing has nothing do do with trusts | 20:38 |
| shardy | trusts are about not storing the user password, and working with token-only auth | 20:38 |
| kebray | sdake I'll get my experts to explain it to me in lamen terms. We'll bring back to the mailing list if needed. | 20:39 |
| zaneb | shardy: right, but both trusts and the admin fix require v3 keystone? | 20:39 |
| sdake | kebray sounds good | 20:39 |
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| stevebaker | #topic Autoscaling | 20:39 |
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| sdake | need more minerals | 20:39 |
| shardy | zaneb: Yes, both require v3 keystone, which is why I'm saying "lets just use that" | 20:39 |
| stevebaker | radix: therve just wanted to know the plan, but can't attend this meeting | 20:40 |
| zaneb | ideally, yeah | 20:40 |
| shardy | I realize that it's difficult for Rax due to divergence from openstack auth, but from an upstream perpective, we really have to focus on what works with recent keystone | 20:40 |
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| sdake | shardy I think everyone is in total agreement - kebray just has a specific business problem to sort out and there is a path to get there | 20:41 |
| chmouel | I think joesavak was saying that auth v3 on RAX should be available sometime this year and v2 and v3 can be both exposed | 20:41 |
| SpamapS | AUto scaling.. what _is_ the plan exactly? | 20:41 |
| shardy | sdake: yup | 20:41 |
| zaneb | sdake: is there though? | 20:41 |
| kebray | shardy, departure from keystone isn't the problem. We are just on keystone v2 instead of v3. | 20:41 |
| stevebaker | chmouel: maybe this will be... motivating | 20:41 |
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| chmouel | stevebaker: :) | 20:42 |
| sdake | zaneb my understanding of the proposal is to make a v3 api that only does v2 things and raises not implemented when v3 things are used | 20:42 |
| shardy | kebray: Ah, but it is keystone? | 20:42 |
| kebray | shardy it is a keystone compatible contract. | 20:42 |
| sdake | zaneb and rax will have to sort that problem out since we dont have their auth system in devstack :) | 20:42 |
| shardy | kebray: lol | 20:42 |
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| zaneb | sdake: we can do that, but e.g. rax will not be able to use, say, autoscaling because it requires the user to be admin | 20:43 |
| sdake | zaneb understood, autoscaling and waitconditions are out because of the limitations of rax auth | 20:43 |
| zaneb | which, it turns out, is not some tenant-local role but gives you access to the whole world | 20:43 |
| kebray | sdake you do have keystone v2 in devstack, yes? that's the concern... not Rax auth, as if something works against keystone v2, it'll work at Rax. | 20:43 |
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| sdake | kebray I see, but t he issue is heat is broken as is against the v2 api - that is why the v3 api was invented :) | 20:44 |
| kebray | so, Autoscale? | 20:44 |
| shardy | No openstack project promises indefinite backwards comaptibilty, that's the whole point of the coordinated release and stable brances | 20:44 |
| shardy | branches | 20:44 |
| shardy | kebray: not without admin, which is why I'm so keen to fix this problem :) | 20:45 |
| zaneb | kebray: I think that the only reason keystone vs. rax auth matters is because if you were using keystone you'd probably have upgraded by now. I recognise that I'm probably preaching to the choir here ;) | 20:45 |
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| andersonvom | shardy: so, if we have v3 in place and a v2 shim, in the near future, what would be broken for folks using the v2shim? | 20:46 |
| sdake | autoscaling and wait conditions | 20:46 |
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| sdake | the same stuff that is broken currently | 20:46 |
| stevebaker | unless you're an admin user | 20:46 |
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| shardy | andersonvom: Anything using SignalResponder resources (WaitConditions, AutoScaling) and User Resources which are used for cfn-hup and cfn-push-stats agents | 20:46 |
| stevebaker | #topic PTL is on leave, nobody notices | 20:47 |
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| kebray | zaneb, even the folks that run keystone implementation have differing auth needs and extend it.. we are certainly not the only ones who are doing that! | 20:47 |
| stevebaker | I'm away for next week's Projects meeting, and Heat meeting. Can anybody volunteer to cover? | 20:48 |
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| zaneb | stevebaker: can do | 20:48 |
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| stevebaker | zaneb: cool, thanks. There is a short 1-1 with ttx 90 minutes before the Projects meeting too, which takes place in #openstack-relmgr-office | 20:49 |
| zaneb | ok | 20:50 |
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| zaneb | how much pain should I expect? ;) | 20:50 |
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| stevebaker | ttx: zaneb will be your torture monkey next week for Heat | 20:50 |
| stevebaker | its not too bad | 20:51 |
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| stevebaker | since its so early in i-3 we can maintain our delusion ;) | 20:51 |
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| stevebaker | #topic Open discussion | 20:51 |
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| zaneb | tbh I think it's time for mass panic | 20:51 |
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| stevebaker | I'd like to cut a heatclient release, but there are many pending reviews https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/python-heatclient,n,z | 20:52 |
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| kebray | +1 stevebaker! | 20:52 |
| stevebaker | 8 minutes, anything else to raise? | 20:52 |
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| cmyster | Hi, I'm new, nice to be here | 20:53 |
| * stevebaker needs to try out the heatclient requests change | 20:53 | |
| stevebaker | cmyster: hi | 20:53 |
| zaneb | cmyster: welcome! | 20:53 |
| shardy | Note to anyone with broken master heatclient : https://review.openstack.org/#/c/69821/ | 20:53 |
| chmouel | stevebaker: please :) | 20:53 |
| kebray | Question: Are we planning to call HOT stable when Icehouse is cut? | 20:54 |
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| cmyster | anywho, I'll start taking over (slowly) automation of, well, hopfully everything. but I have loads to learn still. | 20:54 |
| shardy | cmyster: welcome :) | 20:55 |
| stevebaker | kebray: yes | 20:55 |
| cmyster | thanks again shardy | 20:55 |
| zaneb | stevebaker: in that case, definitely time for panic :D | 20:55 |
| kebray | stevebaker what are the biggest risks (if any) to that happening? | 20:55 |
| kebray | besides zaneb panicking. | 20:56 |
| stevebaker | kebray: I mean it will continue to evolve during Juno, but we'll be caring *much* more about backwards compat | 20:56 |
| kebray | k. | 20:56 |
| tspatzier | stevebaker: I was just going to ask what stable means. I think you just answered. | 20:56 |
| zaneb | kebray: biggest risk is that we can't get to plugin template formats, which will allow us to maintain multiple versions easily | 20:57 |
| stevebaker | we should spend feature freeze checking that it is actually possible to write real templates with HOT, and fix bugs as we find them | 20:57 |
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| shardy | stevebaker: we could use a lot more examples in heat-templates | 20:57 |
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| stevebaker | shardy: I'd prefer a template writing guide, but I've ranted enough about that. Maybe we'll have time to write one | 20:58 |
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| tspatzier | stevebaker: there already is one. I guess we'll have to extend it based on new features like software orchestration, get_file etc. | 20:59 |
| cmyster | tspatzier: link please ? | 20:59 |
| tspatzier | ... but samples are still the thing most people start with | 20:59 |
| stevebaker | tspatzier: yes, I mean extending the current guide with many recipe-style mini tutorials on how to achieve specific things with the best HOT style | 21:00 |
| stevebaker | cmyster: http://docs.openstack.org/developer/heat/template_guide/ | 21:00 |
| tspatzier | #link http://docs.openstack.org/developer/heat/template_guide/hot_guide.html | 21:00 |
| stevebaker | #endmeeting | 21:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 21:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jan 29 21:00:29 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2014/heat.2014-01-29-20.00.html | 21:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2014/heat.2014-01-29-20.00.txt | 21:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2014/heat.2014-01-29-20.00.log.html | 21:00 |
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| cmyster | wonderful stevebaker, bookmarked | 21:00 |
| stevebaker | thanks all | 21:00 |
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| jd__ | #startmeeting ceilometer | 21:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jan 29 21:01:30 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jd__. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:01 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: ceilometer)" | 21:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ceilometer' | 21:01 |
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| dhellmann | o/ | 21:01 |
| dragondm | o/ | 21:01 |
| ildikov | o/ | 21:01 |
| lsmola | hello | 21:01 |
| eglynn-afk | o/ | 21:01 |
| llu-laptop | o/ | 21:01 |
| gibi | o/ | 21:01 |
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| gordc | o/ | 21:01 |
| tongli | o/ | 21:02 |
| nealph | o/ | 21:02 |
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| jd__ | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Ceilometer | 21:03 |
| terriyu | o/ | 21:03 |
| jd__ | #topic Milestone status icehouse-3 | 21:03 |
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| jd__ | #link https://launchpad.net/ceilometer/+milestone/icehouse-3 | 21:03 |
| jd__ | I've removed a few blueprints for i3 already | 21:04 |
| eglynn-afk | the urgency of the oslo-messaging switchover has increased recently /me thinks | 21:04 |
| jd__ | there's no chance we do all of that in that timeframe | 21:04 |
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| eglynn | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ceilometer/+spec/switch-to-oslo.messaging | 21:04 |
| eglynn | ... as it becomes clear that oslo-rpc is not long for this world | 21:04 |
| jd__ | so please drop your blueprint from the list of you know you won't do it | 21:04 |
| jd__ | eglynn: sileht is working on that with dhellmann and markmc already | 21:04 |
| eglynn | i.e. seems oslo-rpc is being effectively locked down and IIUC fixes are only going into olso-messaging | 21:04 |
| jd__ | I don't think we can do more | 21:05 |
| eglynn | cool | 21:05 |
| DanD | o/ | 21:05 |
| jd__ | but I do agree that it's an important stone | 21:05 |
| dhellmann | eglynn: yeah, we're trying to treat the rpc code in the incubator as a "stable branch" of oslo.messaging | 21:05 |
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| jd__ | I don't have much on that topic yet, anyone? | 21:06 |
| eglynn | dhellmann: yeah so anything olso-rpc based is probably going to become increasingly problematic from a supportability PoV | 21:06 |
| eglynn | (... said he with his distro hat on) | 21:06 |
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| dhellmann | eglynn: we may have to loosen our restrictions, but I need to keep the 2 from growing too far out of sync | 21:06 |
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| dhellmann | so non-critical fixes may be allowed into the incubator after they land in oslo.messaging as well | 21:07 |
| eglynn | dhellmann: understood ... I think the preference all round is for all project to get off olso-rpc ASAP | 21:07 |
| dragondm | btw: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ceilometer/+spec/notification-pipelines should be ready for review in the next few weeks. | 21:07 |
| dhellmann | eglynn: let me know if this causes issues internally at red hat | 21:07 |
| eglynn | dragondm: cool, I'll be interested in reviewing | 21:07 |
| eglynn | dhellmann: thanks, will do | 21:08 |
| dragondm | eglynn: noted. | 21:08 |
| jd__ | #topic Tempest integration | 21:09 |
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| jd__ | nadya_: do you have anything new? | 21:09 |
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| jd__ | or anyone? :) | 21:09 |
| _nadya__ | I'm here for my part, hi all. Actually no, I don't have much about it. We are continue to work | 21:09 |
| jd__ | ok cool :) | 21:10 |
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| _nadya__ | we may move on if nobody has any questions | 21:11 |
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| jd__ | #topic Release python-ceilometerclient? | 21:11 |
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| eglynn | 1.0.9 is fresh off the presses ... https://pypi.python.org/pypi/python-ceilometerclient/1.0.9 | 21:11 |
| jd__ | shiny | 21:11 |
| jd__ | thanks eglynn | 21:11 |
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| jd__ | #topic Complex query expression API design (ildikov) | 21:12 |
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| jd__ | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-January/025352.html | 21:12 |
| tongli | @jd__, @eglynn, will there be another client release? | 21:12 |
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| tongli | I mean in icehouse. | 21:12 |
| eglynn | tongli: sure, it's a very lightweight process | 21:12 |
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| jd__ | I replied to that in the review, eglynn did so I saw | 21:12 |
| ildikov | this topic is about the following bp: #link: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ceilometer/+spec/complex-filter-expressions-in-api-queries | 21:12 |
| tongli | @eglynn, since I am working on a BP which needs changes in the client. | 21:12 |
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| jd__ | is there anything else we need to discuss right now ildikov? | 21:12 |
| eglynn | tongli: cool, just ping me when you're ready to go with it | 21:13 |
| ildikov | jd__: thanks, we replied to your comment | 21:13 |
| gordc | jd__: i took a screenshot for records as requested. can confirmed you replied. | 21:13 |
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| tongli | @eglynn, thanks | 21:13 |
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| eglynn | gordc: lol | 21:13 |
| ildikov | my question here would be to keep that discussion in gerrit? | 21:13 |
| dhellmann | the wiki page linked from the ML thread doesn't seem to exist? https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Ceilometer/ComplexFilterExpressionsInAPIQueries. | 21:13 |
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| ildikov | jd__: it would be good to get it landed as it is up for review for a while now | 21:14 |
| dhellmann | oh, nevermind, that's the mail archive adding a "." to the link | 21:14 |
| dhellmann | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Ceilometer/ComplexFilterExpressionsInAPIQueries | 21:14 |
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| eglynn | so the outstanding issue is whether the new proposed list-based syntax is problematic for jsonschema-based verification? | 21:14 |
| gibi | jd__, dhellmann: for me | 21:14 |
| ildikov | dhellmann:yes, it's working without the dot | 21:15 |
| gibi | only the question about the filter syntax remains. I put my view in gerrit as an answer for jd__'s comment | 21:15 |
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| gordc | are we the first project to do this level of querying? | 21:15 |
| ildikov | eglynn: yes, we could not use jsonschema with that design | 21:15 |
| gordc | apologies haven't looked at it...been focused a few other items recently. | 21:15 |
| ildikov | gordc:in OpenStack or in general? | 21:15 |
| eglynn | TBH the dict form, when pretty-printed, does not make my eyes bleed | 21:16 |
| gordc | in openstack i guess... unless you know of any other projects outside which we can reference. | 21:16 |
| dhellmann | why do we need jsonschema? | 21:16 |
| gibi | dhellmann: jsonschema makes the syntax validation easier, no need to write loops and ifs | 21:16 |
| gordc | eglynn: agreed. one of the reasons i haven't really tracked it. it seems really... involved. | 21:16 |
| jd__ | ok ildikov I didn't read it yet | 21:17 |
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| ildikov | dhellmann: we use it for validating both the query syntax and the field names | 21:17 |
| dhellmann | gibi: my only concern with that is that we are, as openstack, trying to standardize on the tools we use for web apis | 21:17 |
| dhellmann | and ceilometer set the standard with pecan and wsme | 21:17 |
| dhellmann | so now if we are going to change, we need a better reason than "we don't like to write for loops" | 21:17 |
| gibi | dhellmann: unfortunately wsme does not support recursive stuff and jsonschema does support it | 21:18 |
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| dhellmann | I restate my position that the recursive expressions encoded as json are ugly. | 21:19 |
| sileht | o/ | 21:19 |
| dhellmann | but, as I said in the review, I don't have time to write an expression parser to replace it | 21:19 |
| * jd__ stands with dhellmann on the unified tool side | 21:19 | |
| eglynn | gibi: in this context, 'recursive' == 'nesting to an arbitrary number of levels' ? | 21:19 |
| ildikov | dhellmann: as gibi mentioned we had some issues with the recursive structures in wsme | 21:19 |
| gibi | eglynn: yes | 21:20 |
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| dragondm | I know I had to parse such for the notifications stuff. that's why I used jsonpath. | 21:20 |
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| dhellmann | ildikov: if you write an expression parser so the caller can pass a single string expression, you don't need a recursive data structure | 21:20 |
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| dragondm | Er recursive, or abitrary nesting? | 21:21 |
| gibi | dhellmann: string expression will contain braces for the same reason | 21:21 |
| eglynn | dhellmann: is there any prior art that would address that? | 21:21 |
| dhellmann | I'm talking about the difference between passing ["and", ["=", "a", "b"], [">", "c", "d"]] and: (a = b) and (c > d) | 21:21 |
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| eglynn | (seems a big ask to write an expression parser, given the effort invested so far) | 21:21 |
| dhellmann | the documentation for PLY and pyparsing are both full of examples | 21:21 |
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| dhellmann | http://pyparsing.wikispaces.com/Examples | 21:21 |
| Alexei_987 | we could use python itself to parse expressions | 21:21 |
| Alexei_987 | doing some kind of eval | 21:22 |
| dhellmann | http://www.dabeaz.com/ply/ | 21:22 |
| dhellmann | Alexei_987: eval isn't safe | 21:22 |
| jd__ | dhellmann: is rply relevant? | 21:22 |
| Alexei_987 | true | 21:22 |
| gibi | dhellmann: I checked pyparsing the results are in the review as comment | 21:22 |
| dragondm | Alexei_987: True, but that could be a security risk. | 21:22 |
| dhellmann | jd__: possibly, I haven't used that one | 21:22 |
| jd__ | https://github.com/alex/rply | 21:22 |
| jd__ | we use that in Hy | 21:22 |
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| dhellmann | jd__: I'm not sure if we need to be that restrictive | 21:22 |
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| jd__ | I can also suggest using Hy if we wanted to Lisp our API a bit | 21:23 |
| * jd__ *cough cough* | 21:23 | |
| Alexei_987 | dragondm: we can do it a bit safer by passing an empty env to it and appliying some regex before | 21:23 |
| * dhellmann is hunting for the link to the review | 21:23 | |
| Alexei_987 | but it's more like a crazy idea | 21:23 |
| jd__ | dhellmann: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/ceilometer+branch:master+topic:bp/complex-filter-expressions-in-api-queries,n,z ? | 21:23 |
| gibi | dhellmann: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/62157/ | 21:23 |
| dragondm | Yah. | 21:23 |
| dragondm | Alexei_987: yah, true, but that's been tried before, and there lies the PHP path of madness.... | 21:24 |
| Alexei_987 | http://docs.python.org/2/library/ast.html?highlight=literal#ast.literal_eval | 21:24 |
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| eglynn | so I'm struggling to understand why ["and", ["=", "a", "b"], [">", "c", "d"]] is so bad given that we already have some hard-to-read WSME queries | 21:25 |
| dhellmann | gibi: your example in http://paste.openstack.org/show/61513/ looks like it is going in the right direction | 21:25 |
| eglynn | like q.field=timestamp&q.field=timestamp&q.op=gt&q.op=le&q.value=START&q.start=END | 21:25 |
| dragondm | Yup, that^ | 21:25 |
| eglynn | s/q.start=END/q.value=END/ | 21:25 |
| dragondm | We already do that. | 21:25 |
| jd__ | the point that the current syntax is near Mongo's one is a good argument | 21:26 |
| jd__ | to me, at least. | 21:26 |
| jd__ | (even if I dislike Mongo – see how open minded I can be) | 21:26 |
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| Alexei_987 | :) maybe new query API should be discussed in details on the next summit and become a part of V3 API? | 21:27 |
| ildikov | jd__: yes, the only thing is that Mongo does not have "=" so we changed that a bit, but it's really close | 21:27 |
| eglynn | well I kinda view mongo as our canonical storage driver, so that's a not unsubstantial point | 21:27 |
| dhellmann | ok | 21:27 |
| dragondm | Whichever we decide, I'm interested in how it works out. I think I will be doing something similar for the event triggers blueprint. | 21:27 |
| dhellmann | I'm not sure why exposing implementation details is a good thing? | 21:27 |
| jd__ | dhellmann: it's not, but it's just reassuring somebody designed this the same way | 21:28 |
| jd__ | since, well I think Mongo has more users than Ceilometer :) | 21:28 |
| dhellmann | ok | 21:28 |
| dragondm | I don't think it's implementation details. It's a separate syntax, translated into the db query syntax. It's just usefull if the translation is simple for our most common db driver. | 21:28 |
| gibi | jd__, dhellmann Do I feel right that we have an agreement here? :) | 21:29 |
| eglynn | dragondm: =1 | 21:29 |
| eglynn | +1 | 21:29 |
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| ildikov | dragondm: +1 | 21:29 |
| jd__ | agreement probably not, but a "good enough" from me, likely | 21:29 |
| jd__ | :) | 21:29 |
| Alexei_987 | I'm going to put a -1 on it cause this syntax is far from user friendly | 21:29 |
| eglynn | good enough for me too TBH | 21:30 |
| Alexei_987 | it's going to be quite hard to write it by hand | 21:30 |
| dragondm | Alexei_987: for which? the mongo-ish one or the lists? | 21:30 |
| Alexei_987 | the lists | 21:30 |
| Alexei_987 | mostly the way how it's passed in request | 21:30 |
| tongli | I think that the proposed solution is to use POST | 21:30 |
| tongli | which is not very common. | 21:31 |
| gibi | Alexei_987: we are trying to agree on the mongoish syntax here. Passing the json in a string is not the best thing but wsme limits us there | 21:31 |
| ildikov | Alexei_987:I'm not sure that the rest api is for human to machine interface or not in most of the cases | 21:31 |
| Alexei_987 | ildikov: I agree but I still think that good API should be human readable | 21:32 |
| ildikov | Alexei_987: and maybe if the Mongo syntax is a good enough here, than we could keep it as a first step | 21:32 |
| Alexei_987 | I'm ok with mongo syntax itself I don't like the way how it's passed to api | 21:32 |
| dragondm | +1 for the Mongo-like syntax. As for passing as a string.... Bleh... | 21:33 |
| Alexei_987 | cause json sting is not good enough for GET requests as mentioned by tongli: | 21:33 |
| tongli | so something like this? | 21:34 |
| Alexei_987 | I would like to see a custom query url something like ?a>b&c<10 | 21:34 |
| tongli | find( { type: 'food', price: { $lt: 9.95 } } ) | 21:34 |
| Alexei_987 | "type='food'&price<9.95" ? | 21:34 |
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| gibi | Alexei_987: that syntaxt gets complicated with "and" "or" and braces for precendence | 21:35 |
| ildikov | Alexei_987: it also can be a mess if you have also or and not as a supported operator, or in and you have to write lists and brackets | 21:35 |
| Alexei_987 | I agree | 21:35 |
| Alexei_987 | but proposed syntax will have to be encoded | 21:36 |
| Alexei_987 | to pass it via GET | 21:36 |
| Alexei_987 | after encoding it's going to look like a complete mess | 21:36 |
| eglynn | IIUC this is POST-only | 21:36 |
| Alexei_987 | but query API is GET by design | 21:37 |
| dragondm | Btw: the way tongli phrased it is even cleaner. | 21:37 |
| jd__ | passing a body in GET is possible in theory if you want | 21:37 |
| tongli | @dragondm, I thought that is how mongodb specifies conditions. | 21:37 |
| dragondm | (i.e. flipping the dictionary around a bit. | 21:37 |
| jd__ | problem solved. | 21:37 |
| jd__ | can we move on? | 21:37 |
| ildikov | Alexei_987: the Mongo-like syntax is still seems to be easier to process and transform to the db queries | 21:37 |
| Alexei_987 | ildikov: agree | 21:37 |
| ildikov | tongli:yes, it's the exact Mongo syntax | 21:38 |
| Alexei_987 | jd__: +1 | 21:38 |
| lsmola | +1 for json | 21:38 |
| dragondm | tongli: Yes it is. I was comparing that to the slightly more complex syntax in the review. | 21:38 |
| gibi | in that sense mongo is inconsistent as "and" "or" is prefix op but $lt is infix | 21:38 |
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| jd__ | I think we're good on this one guys, I'll move on now | 21:38 |
| gibi | so we made everythin infix | 21:38 |
| lsmola | ildikov, btw. it is also similar to elastic search queries right? | 21:38 |
| ildikov | and also does not have "=" | 21:38 |
| jd__ | #topic status of Alembic migrations (gordc) | 21:39 |
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| ildikov | lsmola: yes, elastic search use json, IIRC | 21:39 |
| tongli | @ildikov, can I propose for simpler ones, still support GET | 21:39 |
| jd__ | feel free to continue in #openstack-ceilometer | 21:39 |
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| jd__ | gordc: floor is yours | 21:39 |
| gordc | ok. so this is just a general question. but currently we have 4 alembic scripts which were written sometime around the 010 migrate script | 21:39 |
| ildikov | jd__:sure, sorry | 21:39 |
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| gordc | everytime we check in a new migrate script we need to check the alembic scripts to make sure they're ok to run after the new script | 21:39 |
| gordc | does anyone know what the status is for alembic? is it ready? | 21:40 |
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| Alexei_987 | I know | 21:40 |
| gordc | Alexei_987: go for it :) | 21:40 |
| Alexei_987 | so the current status is the following: | 21:40 |
| eglynn | wasn't there a proposal a while back to back-port the alembic migrations to sqlalchemy-migrate? | 21:40 |
| gordc | i'd like to either drop alembic or switch very soon... it's bothering me. | 21:40 |
| Alexei_987 | 1) alembic itself is 100% ready for production and we can switch to it at any moment | 21:41 |
| viktors_ | Alexei_987: you talking about this? https://github.com/openstack/oslo-incubator/tree/master/openstack/common/db/sqlalchemy/migration_cli | 21:41 |
| gordc | eglynn: yeah, in havana... but that died... i'm bringin it back. | 21:41 |
| Alexei_987 | no.. just ceilometer implementation | 21:41 |
| Alexei_987 | 2) alembic doesn't have a full support for sqlite alter operations | 21:41 |
| Alexei_987 | cause of 2* it's not working correctly in tests or requires a lots of hack to make migrations work | 21:42 |
| dragondm | sqlite == boatanchor. :P | 21:42 |
| jd__ | I think we should switch but nobody knows what should be done | 21:42 |
| jd__ | or wants to do it :) | 21:42 |
| Alexei_987 | 3) we are working on a plan to avoid using migrations in tests at all | 21:42 |
| Alexei_987 | in tests we create an empty DB and we can create it directly from models metadata | 21:42 |
| gordc | Alexei_987: is it any worse than sqlalchemy-migrate? i've tried migrate and some of our downgrade scripts don't work on sqlite... and others just have skip clauses | 21:42 |
| Alexei_987 | downgrade is another topic that should be discussed | 21:43 |
| Alexei_987 | I think that we should officially stop supporting downgrade for migrations | 21:43 |
| Alexei_987 | there is no sense in writing them | 21:43 |
| Alexei_987 | for some migrations there is no way to revert DB to previous state | 21:43 |
| Alexei_987 | and some use dirty hack like dump_ tables | 21:44 |
| Alexei_987 | I don't think that someone would ever use downgrade in production | 21:44 |
| gordc | Alexei_987: yes... not a fan of those dump tables. | 21:44 |
| Alexei_987 | back to the main topic: | 21:44 |
| gordc | regardless, Alexei_987you seem to be tracking alembic. | 21:44 |
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| Alexei_987 | true | 21:44 |
| gordc | you think it's good enough to migrate? | 21:44 |
| Alexei_987 | yes | 21:45 |
| eglynn | what does migrate mean in this context? | 21:45 |
| Alexei_987 | create or update db structure | 21:45 |
| gordc | compared to sqlalchemy-migrate | 21:45 |
| eglynn | all *future* migrations expressed in alembic? | 21:45 |
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| Alexei_987 | 4) to implement 3* we need to be sure that models metadata creates the same structure as migrations | 21:46 |
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| dragondm | Alexei_987: If a rollout goes bad, and there's no downgrade, that would be a serious issue for any ops/ deploy folks. | 21:46 |
| Alexei_987 | which is not true for now | 21:46 |
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| Alexei_987 | dragondm: if a devops doesn't have a daily backup there is a serious issue already | 21:46 |
| gordc | yes. all future migrations in alembic... not sure what we do with sqlite. | 21:47 |
| Alexei_987 | and our update procedure clearly states of the need of db backup in any case | 21:47 |
| eglynn | we tried issueing the alembic-only-from-now-on edict before and we had to resile on it | 21:47 |
| Alexei_987 | eglynn: yes cause of sqlite issues | 21:47 |
| dragondm | Alexei_987: if the answer is 'restore from backup' most devops will reject it. | 21:47 |
| dragondm | That's loose data. | 21:47 |
| dragondm | er that'd | 21:47 |
| gordc | eglynn: should we continue with migrate until we can get mysql/postgresql testing implemented? | 21:47 |
| gordc | sqlal-migrate that is | 21:47 |
| eglynn | gordc: that seems wise to me | 21:47 |
| Alexei_987 | dragondm: if the answer is "restore from downgrade migration that was not properly tested" it's not good either | 21:48 |
| Alexei_987 | gordc: you are right real backend will help us much | 21:48 |
| dragondm | Alexei_987: yah, it should be tested too :> | 21:48 |
| gordc | eglynn: seems like a safer approach... so regarding current alembic scripts | 21:48 |
| jd__ | eglynn: I thought so too | 21:48 |
| Alexei_987 | dragondm: as I said some migrations simply cannot be reverted | 21:49 |
| Alexei_987 | like change 1-* to *-* | 21:49 |
| gordc | do we dump them for sql-migrate scripts or do we continue to risk it.... i have a patch to undo them...but if we make no more changes to db, there's no point to undo them. | 21:49 |
| gordc | them being alembic scripts | 21:49 |
| dragondm | Alexei_987: yah, that's the reason for copying some data to a temp table. Ugly. But I've seen it needed w/ nova. | 21:49 |
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| Alexei_987 | dragondm: but it also means loosing data, no? | 21:50 |
| * dragondm would much prefer alembic if it's ready. | 21:50 | |
| Alexei_987 | cause you cannot fit new data in older structure | 21:50 |
| jd__ | could someone write up a plan on what we need to do in a blueprint or the like? | 21:50 |
| Alexei_987 | I can do it :) | 21:51 |
| dragondm | Alexei_987: Less than the X hrs between rollout an the last backup. | 21:51 |
| gordc | dragondm: same. but it doens't handle sqlite and mysql/postgresql test implementations aren't ready. | 21:51 |
| jd__ | because I think that'd help a lot | 21:51 |
| jd__ | it's likely we want to have our integration test running first indeed if we drop sqlite | 21:51 |
| Alexei_987 | jd__: I (and my team) can also take part in implementing tests for real backends | 21:51 |
| jd__ | Alexei_987: great | 21:52 |
| jd__ | go ahead then :) | 21:52 |
| Alexei_987 | agreed on this | 21:52 |
| gordc | how's this for a plan. i keep the patch to undo alembic scripts as WIP. we apply it if we ever run into a migration script that affects the existing alembic scripts. | 21:52 |
| dragondm | gordc: Yah, alembic never will handle sqlite, migrate only handles is at all due to hacks. My vote would be to have a schema dump loaded into sqlite at the beginning of the test. | 21:52 |
| gordc | and then switch to alembic when mysql/postgresql testing implementation is ready? | 21:52 |
| viktors_ | dragondm: yes, we are going to do it | 21:53 |
| Alexei_987 | dropping sqlite support will also bring additional benefits | 21:53 |
| dragondm | gordc: For the while it could be checked in, and verified by the tests, like the default /etc conffiles. | 21:53 |
| Alexei_987 | we won't have to compact migrations anymore | 21:53 |
| viktors_ | gordc: in process now | 21:53 |
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| dragondm | viktors_: Yay. +1e9 | 21:53 |
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| dragondm | Will also speed up tests abit. | 21:54 |
| Alexei_987 | cause for empty DB we'll create it directly from metadata. And for existing DB we only have to support migrations for 2 cycles | 21:54 |
| Alexei_987 | so we can simply drop migrations that are more than 2 cycles old | 21:54 |
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| Alexei_987 | jd__: so let's make a summary for this? | 21:55 |
| * gordc trying to read through what's been typed to see if there's a takeaway | 21:55 | |
| jd__ | Alexei_987: yes, I make you in charge of that ;) | 21:55 |
| Alexei_987 | 1) I'll create a plan for alembic work | 21:55 |
| jd__ | having a blueprint would be good | 21:55 |
| Alexei_987 | 2) we take part in speeding up impl. of backends tests | 21:55 |
| Alexei_987 | 3) switch to alembic when it's ready | 21:56 |
| * jd__ nods | 21:56 | |
| gordc | 2) is key | 21:56 |
| Alexei_987 | 1* as a blueprint | 21:56 |
| Alexei_987 | for 2* I already have 2 patches in merge stage | 21:56 |
| Alexei_987 | and I'm waiting for one of them to merge | 21:56 |
| Alexei_987 | for 3 days already :( | 21:56 |
| jd__ | which one? | 21:57 |
| Alexei_987 | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/67850/ | 21:57 |
| Alexei_987 | this oslo session fixes | 21:57 |
| Alexei_987 | stupid gate bugs make it restart for the 3rd time | 21:57 |
| jd__ | erf | 21:57 |
| Alexei_987 | ok so to the next topic? | 21:58 |
| jd__ | no next | 21:58 |
| jd__ | #topic open discussion | 21:58 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open discussion (Meeting topic: ceilometer)" | 21:58 | |
| jd__ | you got one minute | 21:58 |
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| gordc | i think my worries about alembic have been tamed... a little bit | 21:58 |
| jd__ | :) | 21:58 |
| jd__ | considering the silence, I declare the end of this meeting | 21:59 |
| jd__ | #endmeeting | 21:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 21:59 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jan 29 21:59:45 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ceilometer/2014/ceilometer.2014-01-29-21.01.html | 21:59 |
| jd__ | happy hacking guys! | 21:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ceilometer/2014/ceilometer.2014-01-29-21.01.txt | 21:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ceilometer/2014/ceilometer.2014-01-29-21.01.log.html | 21:59 |
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| eglynn | 'night all! | 21:59 |
| lsmola | thanks guys, have a good night | 22:00 |
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