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enikanorov_neutron lbaas meeting in 2 minutes13:59
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enikanorov_anyone for lbaas meeting?14:00
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enikanorov_#topic announcements14:02
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enikanorov_hi s3wong14:02
enikanorov_we have feature proposal deadline which is 18 of Feb14:02
enikanorov_anything we plan to land in I should be pushed to gerrit prior to 18 feb14:02
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vjayOk. My apologies for ignorance. how is ssl and L7 looking.14:04
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enikanorov_yep, lets discuss features14:04
enikanorov_so per previous meeting decision, we need backed support of the new portions of API that we're going to add14:04
enikanorov_e.g. L7 and SSL14:04
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enikanorov_#topic features discussion14:05
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enikanorov_currently L7 and SSL extensions are on review and require some work (fixing reviewers comments, etc)14:05
enikanorov_Oleg is going to work on L7 for haproxy while I'm going to work on adding SSL to haproxy (via stunnel)14:06
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enikanorov_in both cases our work is depends on corresponding extension patches (so we can do end-to-end testing)14:06
obondarevL7 also depends on loadbalancer instance patch I believe14:07
evgenyfI have more commets to address in SSL, some were addressed in the last patch14:07
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enikanorov_right. that would be a requirement for haproxy to pick l7 up14:07
enikanorov_regarding SSL there are a few things that we need to consider14:08
enikanorov_first of all, server-agent communication14:08
evgenyfright, association resource14:08
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enikanorov_I've started corresponding thread on ML. Only russellb replied so far.14:08
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enikanorov_Personally I like the idea of secure messaging14:09
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enikanorov_especially because it doesn't require anything additional from the code14:09
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vjaya related question, what is the call on certs and keys storage? is it using the babican service?14:09
enikanorov_so I think that will be the approach I will follow14:09
enikanorov_vjay: not yet.14:10
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enikanorov_vjay: i think we're going to use cert attributes as transient for now14:10
enikanorov_we decided that neutron db is not going to be a storage for certs14:10
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enikanorov_so that brings up some difficulties in managing ssl-enabled vips14:11
vjaywhere are these discussions/decisions happening?14:11
enikanorov_(I'm talking about haproxy implementation right now)14:11
enikanorov_vjay: we've discussed that on the previous meeting14:12
vjayok. may be i missed.14:12
enikanorov_also there is quite old thread on ML about whether to store certificates in db14:12
vjayi remember that, but in the original thread the final discussion was undecided.14:13
enikanorov_and as far as i recall, the opinions were different on the matter14:13
vjayno conclusion/concensus on the db store was reached14:13
vjaynor transient14:13
enikanorov_right. Mark has some project-wise security concerns on storing certs in db.14:13
vjaybecause in case of transient we cannot apply back the config14:13
enikanorov_yes, that's the problem14:13
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enikanorov_we only can pass cert  once, in case we move configuration, or restart the agent, certs could be lost14:14
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enikanorov_'lost' logically, i mean. so in order to bring vip up, tenant will need to provide certificates once again14:15
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vjayhow will that be communicated to client14:15
enikanorov_and sad thing is, that looking at ssl extension i don't see how it can be done14:15
evgenyfwe will have to ask for private key of certs every time association issued14:15
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enikanorov_that is a good question that we can't notify client, actually14:16
enikanorov_client can monitor vip14:16
enikanorov_status of vip14:16
obondarevsorry, which client?14:16
enikanorov_we only can put it into down state indicating that certificate is required14:16
obondarevdo you mean user?14:17
enikanorov_obondarev:vjay meant user14:17
vjaysorry, yes tenant/user14:17
obondarevok, thanks14:17
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vjayapologiesso will this extension be marked experimental or will the APIs be part of LBaaS plugin?14:18
iwamotocan Marconi be used for notification?14:18
enikanorov_vjay: we also decided that ssl is a part of core lbaas api14:18
enikanorov_l7 and ssl are core features14:19
enikanorov_that's why we need solid design for that14:19
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enikanorov_evgenyf: could you think of how we can propose single workflow regardless of whether we store certs in db or not?14:20
enikanorov_or at least, similar workflow14:20
vjayshould db even be considered? we can think of transient and babican right?14:20
samuelbercovicibarbican is not yet even in incubation.14:21
enikanorov_right, but the API should be the same regardless of how we store certs14:21
samuelbercovicithe vote on this is going to happen in a week or two14:21
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samuelbercovicienikanorov_:the work with barbican should add a few more options to pass the certificates14:22
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evgenyfenikanorov_:In case the private is transient it should be taken from the request, or if persistent, take from the DB. if persistent, private may be None in request14:23
vjaysam: it will be good if the wiki can be updated.14:23
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evgenyfI will update the WIKI with last decisions14:24
enikanorov_evgenyf: ok14:24
vjayok. it will be good if we know how using barbican later will affect the apis or workflow.14:25
samuelbercovicivjay: this is still unclear14:26
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enikanorov_so the question now is that ssl extension and db proposes separate resources for certificates14:27
samuelbercovicithe planned difference is that it will not change the api, it might add passing the "certificate id" instead of the actula certificate so that the information than be pulled from barbican14:27
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enikanorov_and workflow is that we create them, and then associate with the vip14:27
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enikanorov_while 'transient' is passing certificate to the vip on create/update operation14:28
enikanorov_what do you think?14:28
samuelbercovicibut as said, i have started looking at the possible options and apis and am waiting for the babrican project to be in incubation14:28
samuelbercoviciassuming this happens we will discuss what it means to use babican14:28
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evgenyfenikanorov_:assoc. request will go with ids, and before secure store is available, with private keys too14:29
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enikanorov_yeah, that looks like the only possible way14:30
evgenyfso no PI change is needed when we move to secure store14:30
enikanorov_but the API looks...14:30
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vjayok. the approach is to pass key during vip-ssl-associate along with the certificate_id. and when a stable store is available there no requirement to pass key14:32
vjaydoes that sound right?14:32
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enikanorov_vjay: yes14:33
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enikanorov_any questions on ssl?14:33
vjayi am good, thanks!14:33
enikanorov_ok, let's move to l714:34
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enikanorov_it seems that it has less global problems to resolve14:34
avishayb_work in progress..14:34
avishayb_need to sync the wiki with the real impl - do that next week14:35
enikanorov_so obondarev is looking now into adopting l7 to haproxy via acls14:35
enikanorov_after discussion with  obondarev we found out that we need lb instance in order to proceed with haproxy adoption14:35
enikanorov_since multiple pools don't fit into current architecture14:36
obondarevbut the first step is still to adopt loadbalancer instance approach to haproxy driver14:36
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vjayany reason for lb instance checkin delay?14:36
obondarevso I'm working on that patch now14:36
samuelbercovicican you explain what is the chalenge to do so without lb instance?14:36
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obondarevwithout lb instance we have only one pool with only one vip14:37
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obondarevso there is nothing l7 rools can actually swirch14:38
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enikanorov_not just that, currently whole haproxy configuration is stored under statepath/pool-id14:38
enikanorov_also, scheduling works in such way that it binds pool to an agent14:38
enikanorov_but we want all that multiple pools on one agent14:39
enikanorov_handled by 1 haproxy loadbalancer14:39
samuelbercoviciobondarev: if you create a 2nd pool and associate to a VIP which is already associated to the default pool (as it must), the info can then be sent to the appropriate ga proxy14:39
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obondarevwe can't associate two pools to one vip right now14:39
enikanorov_thats one of the complications that we tried to avoid with lb instance14:40
enikanorov_without lb instance we have configuration graph we need to traverse14:40
enikanorov_instead of configuration tree14:40
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samuelbercovicienikanorov_: this is basicaly pool2-->association-->vip-->default_pool14:41
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enikanorov_yes, it is14:41
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enikanorov_and that what we don't want to traverse14:42
samuelbercoviciso the change in the model is to do 1 traversal instead of 3?14:42
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enikanorov_the change is that you create new pool to already-scheduler lb instance14:43
obondarevsince both loadbalancer instance and l7 rules are decided to be core features I dont's see the reason avoiding dependency between them14:43
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obondarevas this dependency is quite natural14:43
obondarevand makes things clear14:44
vjayenikanorov_: is there anything blocking loadbalancer instance like design or backward compatibility or anything else? Or is it just time before core reviewers finish the review?14:44
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obondarevboth in code and logically14:44
enikanorov_enikanorov: mostly gate failures blocking everything right now. The coments on review are minor, also new API is backward-compatible14:44
enikanorov_sorry :)14:45
enikanorov_so core reviewers are busy with gates14:45
enikanorov_with fixing gate failures I mean14:45
vjaygot it14:45
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obondarevavishayb_: the new patch set seems to fail tests14:47
avishayb_yes - I know14:47
vjaySam: Same is the case with NetScalers as well. Pools are sent to a device immediately when it is created. Two separate pools might landup in 2 separate devices. If the are connect to one VIP it would be a problem. LoadBalancer instance would solve the placement more naturally.14:47
obondarevavishayb_: and also not all comments seem to be resolved/answered14:47
avishayb_I am aware to that14:48
enikanorov_vjay: exactly the same with haproxy right now14:48
iwamotoI'm not sure what does the config with 2 pools and 1 vip mean14:48
enikanorov_iwamoto:  1 pool for static images, another for dynamic pages14:49
enikanorov_iwamoto: you balance based on uri14:49
enikanorov_iwamoto: does it make sense?14:50
obondarevavishayb_: ok, thank you. I have some more concerns but they are mostly minor. Anyway I'd like to check them on new patch set, where all previous conserns are resolved14:50
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iwamotoenikanorov_: ah. standard l7 rule case. i see. how about 1vip+2pools case?14:51
iwamotoi'm still wondering we need graph traversal anyway14:51
enikanorov_can you give an example?14:51
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iwamototwo unrelated LBs in a LB instance. eg. (pool1,pool2)-vip1, pool3-vip214:53
samuelbercoviciiwamoto: I am not aware on any case of 1vip+2pools without l7 policies14:54
enikanorov_and what do you mean by 'traverse'? the case you've described is possible14:54
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enikanorov_but all that vips and pools will share the same capabilities14:55
enikanorov_for isntance, they all are handled by same provider, bind to the same device or agent14:55
enikanorov_and stored together14:55
enikanorov_and that is because they belong to 1 instance14:55
vjayi have to drop off right now. thanks every one.14:55
vjayavishayb_: looking forward for the updates in wiki14:56
enikanorov_vjay: thanks for joining14:56
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iwamotoby "traverse", i mean separating pool-vip graph into disjoint groups, to write down haproxy configs or so on.14:57
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enikanorov_well, that is no different from what it would be what we'll have l7 rules14:58
samuelbercovicienikanorov_: so the pool definition can't be shared by multiple lb instances?14:58
enikanorov_we'll need to handle multiple backends14:58
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enikanorov_samuelbercovici: that is not planned. is it needed?14:59
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samuelbercovicienikanorov_: when the vip<-->pool relshionship will be also fixed15:00
enikanorov_not sure, why?15:00
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enikanorov_we need to wrap up. let's move to neutron channel15:00
samuelbercovicithere is a case where the same definitions of pools etc is shared between multiple vips which leave in different physical instances15:00
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ttxAnyone around for the storyboard meeting ?16:00
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ttxWe were thinking of cancelling it since we have the Storyboard sprint going on16:00
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ttxok then. Meeting cancelled16:03
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mtreinish#startmeeting qa17:00
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mtreinishhi who's here today?17:00
mtreinishheh, ok this'll be a quick one I guess17:00
mtreinish^^^ today's agenda17:01
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mtreinishso it looks like today's agenda is just the boiler plate one17:01
mtreinishbut let's dive into it17:01
mtreinish#topic Blueprints17:01
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mtreinishso does anyone have any blueprints to bring up that need attention17:02
mtreinishor that have a status update17:02
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andreafok I'll start here17:02
andreafI have an implementation of the multi auth bp here
andreafI think it would be good to get that through in icehouse as keystone v2 is going to be deprecated17:03
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mtreinishandreaf: can your massive refactor wait until after mine? :),n,z17:04
mtreinishit's clash of the titans17:04
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dolphmo/ identity api v2 has been officially deprecated as of icehouse-m117:04
andreafit's quite a large patch,  a pain to rebase, so if anyone has ideas on how to split it ...17:04
andreafmtreinish: yes I think so17:04
sdaguedolphm: what is the status of the official python clients supporting v3?17:04
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andreafmtreinish: I saw your patch both together will make the rest client __ini__ down to one parameter :)17:05
dolphmsdague: python-keystoneclient supports it quite well from a library perspective; python-openstackclient exposes it quite well on the CLI, barring some initial authentication/configuration hurdles which represents a significant barrier to adoption17:05
sdaguedolphm: so if you use python-novaclient17:06
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sdaguedoes it call keystone v3?17:06
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dolphmnot today17:06
andreafsdague: I fear not17:06
sdaguewhat's required to make that happen?17:06
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andreafmost clients allow token / base url as input17:06
andreafbut not nova / cinder17:06
andreafI filed a bug for that17:06
sdaguebecause I'm a little concerned about use wildly diverging here from the way people are going to use this in the field17:06
andreafI think all clients shall rely on keystone client for auth17:07
dkranzThis is really going to put the "client libraries should work with old openstack releases" to the test...17:07
mtreinishsdague: well for the api tests at least there shouldn't be an issue17:07
sdaguemtreinish: sure, as long as we decide to run the v2 stuff still17:07
sdagueboth ways that is17:07
mtreinishsdague: yeah I thought that was the intent having one job with v2 and the other with v317:08
dolphmandreaf: we're working on exposing some neat library features (mostly taking advantage of requests "sessions") to make it much easier for other clients to fully adopt identity api v3 in a couple lines of code17:08
mtreinishat least while v2 is still in tree17:08
sdagueright, we do start to run up against job limits17:08
sdagueso I'm cool with the cleanups this provides17:08
sdagueand the plugability17:08
dkranzsdague: +117:08
sdaguebut I don't actually think this is icehouse critical17:08
sdagueso if it doesn't all make it, that's fine.17:09
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mtreinishsdague: I bumped it up from low to high(not critical) yesterday17:09
mkodererhi, sry I am late17:09
sdaguebecause there is clearly a missing piece in all this with the fact that we can't actually run a v3 job17:09
sdaguebecause we'll be using v2 all over the place17:10
sdagueor v3 only job17:10
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sdagueso lets get as much as makes sense in, but this really seems to beg the question of the overall matrix, which I think is going to be a summit discussion17:11
mtreinishyeah we need to iron out the details on the matrix17:11
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mlavalleHi, sorry for the delay17:12
andreafsdague: r3 v only job I agree, but at least we'll be stressing  v3  a bit more17:12
sdagueandreaf: sure17:12
mtreinishandreaf: ok is there anything else on the keystone v3 blueprint?17:12
andreafandreaf: no17:12
andreafmtreinish: no17:13
mtreinishheh, ok17:13
andreafcan't make sense in my typing :P17:13
mtreinishdoes anyone else have a blueprint to bring up17:13
dkranzmtreinish: negative test17:13
dkranzmtreinish: It is waiting for core reviews17:13
mtreinishdkranz, mkoderer: ok go ahead17:13
mkodererplease review
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mkodererI think we should merge it and fix the nits later17:13
sdagueI'm ok with that17:14
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sdaguelet's give people till end of day to raise objections17:14
dkranzSo it has three +1 and just needs some +217:14
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sdagueI'll take a look this afternoon17:14
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mkoderersdague: great17:14
sdagueif there are none, I say we merge it17:14
dkranzsdague: Thanks17:14
sdagueand fix the rest in tree17:14
mtreinishmkoderer: yeah I've been meaning to take a closer look at it. The only concern I had is with the jsonschema being in .py files17:14
mtreinishwhy not just make it a .json file?17:15
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dkranzmtreinish: The problem is that the tests have to reference a schema by name17:15
sdagueyeh, that is the one cleanup I'd kind of like first17:15
mkodererthat was dkranz idea ;)17:15
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dkranzsdague: The json was moved to separate files17:15
sdaguedkranz: use descriptive file names17:15
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dkranzsdague: You mean a separate file for each schema?17:16
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sdagueyeh, I'd still rather they be real json.17:16
sdaguedkranz: sure17:16
sdaguewhatever makes sense17:16
dkranzsdague: I didn't realize you were thinking of hundreds of new files for thies17:16
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sdagueAlso if they are real json, they are much more easily syncable from nova17:17
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mtreinishdkranz: yeah if we eventually have an automated method for generating them then it isn't a big deal17:17
mkoderersdague: ok well then let's move it17:17
sdagueoh, actually they aren't17:17
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sdaguewell, I think we should get to real json as separate files anyway :)17:17
sdagueso if you guys make that change, I'm +2, and we do the rest in tree17:18
dkranzsdague: I don't object, just want to make sure we accept having a separate file for each item at api.openstack.org17:18
sdaguedkranz: yep17:18
dkranzsdague: ok, I'm in17:18
rahmuand are each of these files written manually or autogenerated?17:18
mkodererok, I think I will fix the little nits right away and push it tomorrow17:18
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dkranzrahmu: Manually, at least for now. From what would you generate them?17:19
mtreinishrahmu: right now they're manual but eventually there will be a script to manually create them17:19
dkranzmtreinish: I still don't understand from what you could generate them17:19
rahmuokay, I saw mention of syncing from nova, and didn't understand17:19
dkranzmtreinish: They are the source from which other interesting things could be generated17:20
dkranzmtreinish: But it would be better if they were defined in projects rather than tempest17:20
mkodererI don't think that you can generate them completely17:20
sdaguedkranz: you should be able to reuse a big part of the validation schema from nova, no?17:20
sdaguefor the pieces that are done there17:20
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dkranzsdague: maybe, but I am not convinced. I would say it should really be the other way around17:21
sdagueI realize that today the efforts are pretty discreet17:21
mtreinishdkranz: if the schema is queriable then all the details can be queried from nova17:21
sdaguedkranz: right the only tempest specific pieces would be the logic to go after interesting boundaries, right?17:21
mkoderermtreinish: I don't think that you get all the needed details17:21
dkranzmtreinish: Our schema has more information, containing what is in nova as a subset17:21
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sdaguedkranz: ok, so we definitely need to figure out how to converge those more, but we can do that in tree17:22
sdagueI accept this is a good starting point17:22
dkranzmtreinish: The nova methodology is flawed because it did non consider all the use cases for schema17:22
mkoderersuch as expected result code for malicious input17:22
mtreinishdkranz: I'm looking at it, you have: name, method, url, and the json schema in the files17:22
sdaguedkranz: ok, so lets figure out how to get that handled on the nova side as well17:22
dkranzsdague: great17:22
mtreinishif the schema is queriable what can't be done with a script?17:22
dkranzsdague: Of course the other zillion apis have nothing at all17:22
sdaguebecause nova will need to be the authority on their API17:22
sdaguedkranz: agreed17:23
sdaguebut at least with nova we should try to find a way to leverage the work over there17:23
sdaguethen hopefully other interfaces will follow17:23
dkranzmtreinish: It is not script or no script, just that the nova schema just describes payload17:23
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mkoderermtreinish: it doesn't care about result codes17:23
dkranzmtreinish: It's not enough to generate tests17:23
sdague#action mkoderer to break out json schemas into .json files17:23
mkoderersdague: ok cool17:24
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dkranzmtreinish: They simply did not consider the more general use cases for schemas17:24
sdagueok, I think we can move on  :) lets get the change, get this landed, realize we're going to need summit time to work out some of the details on schema reuse17:24
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dkranzsdague: yes17:24
mkoderersdague: +117:24
mtreinishok yeah that's fair17:24
mtreinishoh I see now it's not just the jsonschema in the dict you're adding to it17:25
sdaguebut it's definitely moving us in the right direction17:25
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sdaguesimilar thing....17:25
dkranzsdague: The nova schema is not in files  as real json :)17:25
mkoderermtreinish: exactly..17:25
sdaguemtreinish's config patch17:25
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giulivosorry guys a question from an outsider, when you say that nova will be an authority over the other apis, it means we expect to continue to have facilities in the nova api to create resources of other type (like networks or images), and not to strip it from nova, is that correct_17:25
mtreinishok well I've got a quick status update on the config bp17:25
sdagueplease take a look, because it does a ton of clean up17:25
mtreinishoh sdague beat me to it17:25
sdagueand I'd like some eyes on it to make sure it's fine, then probably squash and bulk merge it17:26
mtreinishI have one more patch on top to add17:26
dkranzgiulivo: NO, it has nothing to do with that.17:26
sdaguemtreinish: is that the patch that finally removes all the self.config assignments?17:26
mtreinishI'm holding off because of rebase complications because masayukig approved some17:26
giulivook so I must have missed something, sorry17:26
sdagueI hadn't see them yet17:27
dkranzgiulivo: Just that the api schema should be defined in a project, not in tempest ideally17:27
mtreinishsdague: yeah17:27
mtreinishit removes the references from and test.py17:27
sdaguehonestly, unless there is an objection, I'm just going to +A that through once it looks like it works17:27
sdaguebecause it's going to be a rebase monstrosity17:27
sdagueand I'd rather spend our time on useful things, not rebase chasing that series17:28
mtreinishsdague: yeah well if I push things now the sha1's on the ones in the queue will change because there is already some of that17:28
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mtreinishI was trying to make things manageable I hate giant patches17:28
mtreinishok I don't have anything else on this17:29
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mtreinishlet move to the next topic17:29
sdaguemtreinish: get a working top patch, then we can figure out how to best get this in17:29
mtreinishsdague: ok17:29
mtreinish#topic Neutron testing17:29
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mtreinishmlavalle, salv-orlando: you around?17:30
mtreinishare there any updates on neutron testing?17:30
mlavalleapi tests development is going well17:30
mlavallewe now have a community of debs actively engaged17:30
mlavalledevs ^^^17:30
mlavalleand I have been doing a lot of code reviews17:31
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sdaguemlavalle: nice job17:31
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sdagueis there any understanding on why the isolated jobs remain at a really high failure rate?17:31
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salv-orlandomtreinish: the patches are still waiting for the neutron gate to get back to a point where we can merge anything17:31
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mlavalleI haven't worked on that, but salv-orlando might have insight17:31
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mtreinishsdague: I thought that was the kernel namespace bug17:32
mtreinishsalv-orlando: which patches?17:32
salv-orlandothe patches for parallel testing17:32
salv-orlandoand for enabling full isolation17:32
salv-orlandobut since we are stuck on this kernel bug we can't make any progress until that is solved.17:33
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sdaguesalv-orlando: does that really account for all the fails?17:33
sdagueI know that's an impact17:33
sdaguebut I was curious if it was the complete problem, or just one of a couple17:33
salv-orlandosdague: not all the fails. Bug 1253896 astir lurks. But bug 1273386 is a lot more frequent17:34
sdaguealso, any word on the new kernel ?17:34
sdagueand if that looks stable enough to use more broadly17:34
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salv-orlandosdague: we see the failure that too. And that's bad.17:34
sdagueyep, so at least we know that's not the answer17:34
mtreinishsdague: I saw patches, from russellb I think, adding it to nodepool17:34
salv-orlandomtreinish: experimental jobs now run on 3.1117:35
sdagueright, I wanted to know if we had enough data to sort it if it fixed17:35
mtreinishsalv-orlando: ok cool17:35
sdagueand it sounds like we do not17:35
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sdagueor we do have enough data.... and it did not17:35
salv-orlandoyes sdague: we hit the bug at the 3rd recheck attempt17:36
afazekasBTE anybody else see similar issues:
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russellbsalv-orlando: any need to keep the test nodes with 3.11?17:36
giulivoI wonder if there are plans to upgrade later this year to the new LTS, current ubuntu is preventing other stuff from being tested too17:36
salv-orlandoafazekas: first time i see that failure17:37
sdaguegiulivo: so I'm sure the 14.04 test story will be a Juno topic17:37
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sdagueok, probably worth moving on17:38
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salv-orlandorussellb: it might be worth keeping them for a while, but since the stack trace is exactly the same I guess there's little we can do.17:38
salv-orlandoActually.. I would try to push back 3.2.0-57 in experimental nodepool17:38
sdaguesalv-orlando: that's a good idea17:38
sdaguebecause the other possibility is this existed a lot longer than we realized, and we just didn't have the tooling to see it17:39
giulivosdague, I'll try harder to join this time17:39
salv-orlandobecause internally I've been unable to reproduce either on 3.2.0-57 and 3.2.0-58 but going back in time the first time we saw this issue it was with kernel-3.2.0-5417:39
sdagueyeh, I expect this may be a case of a problem that we didn't know we had until recently, and would explain overall neutron gate stability17:40
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sdaguegiulivo: cool17:40
sdaguemtreinish: ok, what's next? :)17:40
sdagueactually, before that, who's volunteering to handle moving the experimental kernel?17:40
mtreinish#topic Bugs17:40
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sdaguelet's make sure we get a volunteer on that17:40
mtreinishoh what's the fancy undo command?17:40
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sdague#info need volunteer to put experimental nodepool on 3.2.0-57 kernel17:41
sdagueok, I guess we move on17:41
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mtreinishso does anyone have any bugs that need attention17:42
NithyaG__Hi,  I have a query on Nova tests. I would like to know if its a good idea to get a few additional tests on live migration added, though its only single node deployment in gate as of today, it will be good to build the test repository. I have raised a few bugs today for adding test cases. (both API and scenario tests)17:42
mtreinishor are there any critical bugs not getting any attention17:42
sdagueNithyaG__: so the problem is we don't really have any way to validate them17:42
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sdagueguess no one needs bug attention17:44
sdaguemoving on :)17:44
andreafsdague: how's the work on multinode gate proceeding?17:44
mtreinishok then let's move on17:44
sdagueanderstj: no one is working on it17:44
sdagueandreaf: that should have been17:44
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andreafsdague: oh I see17:44
dkranzsdague: Is there a description of the issues with multinode anywhere?17:44
dkranzsdague: Or some unimplemented blueprint or plan?17:44
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andreafandreaf: we already have a few live migration and resize tests in17:44
sdaguedkranz: not that I know of, no one has ever taken that blueprint as their primary task17:45
andreafsdague: I meant17:45
sdagueandreaf: so resize we can do in the gate17:45
dkranzsdague: ok, I get it17:45
sdaguebecause you can resize to yourself17:45
sdaguewe added a flag to nova to let that happen in the gate17:45
mtreinishandreaf: I've never run live migration and I've never heard of anyone using it17:45
mtreinishI'm sure the code has a lot of bit rot17:46
mtreinishsince it doesn't get run in the gate17:46
andreafsdague: oh, ok17:46
mtreinishok we can save this for later if there is anything else on it17:46
mtreinish#topic      Critical Reviews17:46
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mtreinishdoes anyone have any reviews that they would like to bring up?17:46
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sdagueonly the ones we talked about in blueprints17:47
mtreinishyeah I wasn't going to bring those up again17:47
mtreinishI guess there aren't any others then17:48
mlavallemtreinish: over the weekend I will put together a list of Neutron api tests that need core reviewers a ttention. I will send it to the ML17:48
sdaguesounds great17:48
afazekasmay be I missed the blueprint parts, but this  definitely should get more ayes17:48
mtreinishmlavalle: ok sounds good. But I'm hesitant to merge anything until the neutron gate is in a better state though17:48
sdaguealso, given the long run times due to the concurency drop17:48
sdagueplease keep an eye on new tests that take a long time, we shouldn't be adding them right now17:48
rahmuit would be great to get some input on this one: We'd like to know how to avoid hardcoding the projects' names17:49
sdaguehopefully some nova fixes will go in and let us run faster again, but until then, lets not kill ourselves too hard17:49
dkranzsdague: So what about a test that takes 5s?17:49
mtreinish#action sdague to send an email to list about test run time and reviewing17:49
andreafafazekas: thanks yes I mentioned that during the bp part17:49
mlavalleok, I'll be careful with that. I'll focus on api tests that don't take long17:49
sdaguedkranz: 5s isn't troubly to me17:49
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sdague30s is17:49
dkranzsdague: ok, reasonable17:49
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sdagueafazekas: we talked about 65311 previously17:50
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dkranzsdague: I am actually suspicious that our setup time is getting large and could be improved17:50
mtreinishrahmu: I wonder if that should really be a bp instead17:50
dkranzsdague: The sequential output of tests that do almost nothing is quite slow17:50
rahmumtreinish: that's the kind of attention this patch also needs :)17:50
giulivowell I've one which surely is going to take time but it's the first and only test for this feature I think:
dkranzsdague: I am going to look at that17:51
sdaguedkranz: so I'm actually working on something with lifeless's help that I think makes it a little easier to see what's going on17:51
mtreinishgiulivo: yeah that will add some run time probably :)17:51
sdagueoh, on that front, the basic ops test17:52
sdaguethat we run on 3 images17:52
sdaguewhy do we do that again?17:52
giulivomtreinish, I can remove the gate tag but we didn't have anything about backups so ...17:52
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mtreinishgiulivo: removing the gate tag won't do anything actually17:52
dkranzsdague: I will poke around some on these issues. It has been a while since we looked at such things17:52
giulivosorry yeah , add slow17:52
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mtreinishsdague: it was a feature add recently for running with different image types which in the gate really isn't that useful17:53
sdagueright, I see the poc value17:53
sdaguebut in the gate, I think we should turn that off17:53
mtreinishI think andreaf made it configurable17:53
sdagueit's not really catching anything, and just takes up time17:54
mtreinishso we should just use it for one image type17:54
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sdagueI was also wondering about the loader17:54
sdagueso where we skip tests17:54
sdagueskip whole classes17:54
andreafmtreinsh, sdague: yes it is configurable which images and which flavours17:54
sdagueis it possible to make the load just not register those classes?17:54
sdagueandreaf: ok, could you propose something which defaults it back to only 1?17:55
andreafsdague: ok will do17:55
sdaguethank you17:55
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sdaguemtreinish: thoughts on doing class level skip by the loader?17:55
mtreinishsdague: I don't think that's how skip works. I think it just catches the exception and goes from there. I have to double check17:55
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sdaguemtreinish: I know that's not how skip works17:56
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mtreinishsdague: what exactly are you proposing?17:56
mtreinishsdague: how about we save the discussion for after the meeting17:57
mtreinishbecause we're down to ~3 min?17:57
sdagueis it possible to have test_discover not discover a set of classes if we decorate them correctly17:57
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mtreinishsdague: oh I'm not sure on that, maybe17:58
sdagueit would give us less chance of completely unbalancing testr17:58
giulivoI have this crazy idea that we should slowly drop from nova api what should be done using $service api and as a consequence, remove duplicated tests17:58
mtreinishwe can set patterns to match17:58
mtreinishso maybe we can play games there17:58
sdagueok, worth exploring17:58
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sdagueanything else from folks?17:59
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mtreinishok I guess we'll end here since we're out of time17:59
mtreinishthanks everyone17:59
sdaguethanks everyone17:59
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NithyaG__thanks everyine18:00
rahmubye everyone thanks18:00
bdpayne#startmeeting OpenStack Security Group18:00
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bdpayneHi security people :-)18:00
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bdpayne#topic Roll Call18:00
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bdpayneWhile we are waiting for a few others to join in... I wanted to take a moment to mention that we have been doing these OSSG meetings for 1 year now18:01
bdpayneJust passed 1 year last week18:01
bdpayneLots have happened in that short time!18:02
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bknudsonthis project sure seems to have a lot of people looking for vulnerabilities18:02
bdpaynethis project?18:03
bknudsonthe whole openstack project18:03
bdpaynethat's a good thing18:03
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hyakuheiHey, here. sorry.18:03
bdpaynehi there!18:04
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bdpayne#topic Today's Agenda18:04
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bdpayneWhat would people like to discuss today?18:04
shohelhi bryan18:04
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bdpayneNo topics for discussion?18:05
bdpayneOk, I'd like to review status of OSSNs18:05
nkinderWe still need to figure out summit talks.18:05
bdpayneAnd look at how well we are addressing security review requests18:05
hyakuheiWe need moar!18:05
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bdpayneYes, I have been completely negligent on the summit talk issue18:06
bdpayneWhat is the deadline for summit talks again?18:06
bdpayneok, I *will* get that discussion going this week18:06
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bdpayne#topic OSSN18:07
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bdpaynehyakuhei what's the latest on the OSSN front?18:07
bdpayneany more in the queue?18:07
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bdpayneI ran into an issue this week where it is all too easy to configure keystone to log db sql statements... which results in password hashes getting logs... may be a useful OSSN18:08
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bdpayneanyone else have comments on OSSNs?18:09
bdpaynequiet group today18:09
bdpaynevery well then, I'll file a bug for my idea separately18:10
bknudsonhow do you get keystone to log db sql statements?18:10
bdpayne#topic Security Reviews18:10
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bdpaynebknudson it is through the sqlalchemy logging options18:10
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hyakuheisorry was afk. juggling calls.18:11
bdpayne#topic Back to OSSN18:11
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bdpayneok, hyakuhei I'll give you a second chance18:11
bdpayneanything on OSSN to report?18:11
hyakuheiI don't think we have much at all in the queue atm18:11
hyakuheiProcess for refining still requires me and nkinder to get together.18:11
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hyakuheiWe still have the vnc one but that's it18:12
bdpaynethere is the one issue that hyakuhei and I have been in discussion with the VMT on... but I think that's still embargoed so I won't mention it here18:12
hyakuheiI like the idea of moving to gerrit for this, having stuff in git, commenting etc.18:12
bdpaynelikely to result in an OSSN, I think18:12
hyakuheiYes. Thats a mess.18:12
bdpaynewho's taking to lead on getting things setup on gerrit?18:12
bdpayneand git18:13
hyakuheiI'd like for it to be someone that isn't me...18:13
hyakuheiI shouldn't think it'll be too hard. We've got a few PTLs around here, I'm sure I can bug some of them for help.18:13
bdpaynesure, we just need someone to take ownership of that18:14
bdpayneotherwise it won't happen18:14
nkinderYes, this is on my plate.18:14
bdpayneah, great18:14
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nkinderBeen sick this week18:14
bdpayneahh, sorry to hear that18:14
bdpayneok, so nkinder is on it18:14
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bdpayneanything else on OSSNs?18:14
bdpayneok, pushing ahead...18:15
hyakuheiGet less sick soon nkinder18:15
bdpayne#topic Security Reviews18:15
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bdpayneThis topics has two points18:15
hyakuheiI'll send an email around about the security review tomorrow18:15
bdpayne1) Ironic security review18:15
bdpayneis this happening?18:15
bdpaynehyakuhei what is the security review tomorrow?18:15
hyakuheiIntroducing ironic people and a few others to the OSSG, suggesting possible approaches in a general getting the ball moving sort of way.18:15
hyakuheibdpayne: no, I'll actually do some work on starting it tomorrow18:16
bdpaynegotcha... so yeah, please do send out that email18:16
bdpaynea little more advance notice is always nice, when possible ;-)18:16
bdpayne2) the other issue on my mind is the general code security reviews18:16
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bdpayneMany of you are seeing the emails about security impact in a PR18:17
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bdpayneI'd like to track how well we are responding to those requests18:17
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bdpayneIs there anyone that is willing to do a little digging on that front?18:17
hyakuheiYeah they're kinda clunky because we get hit with every change.18:17
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bdpayneBasically to look at PRs that are tagged, and see if there's reviews on them from OSSG members?18:17
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bdpayneok, I think this would be valuable information to have18:18
bdpayneas I'd like to understand if this mechanism is working or not18:18
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bdpaynelet's keep it in mind as a potential task for a new member18:18
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nkindermy guess is that a lot of them are slipping through18:18
bdpaynethis is my guess as well18:19
bdpaynewhich brings me to my next point18:19
bdpayneI think it would be useful to have a person or a small team that is respondible for that process18:19
bknudsonI do a lot of reviews in keystone... but not because of the SecurityImpact.18:19
bdpayneso they would track the PRs and either provide the reviews them selves or find the right person to provide that review18:19
bdpaynebknudson, yeah, that makes sense18:20
hyakuhei+1 good idea18:20
bknudsonis the SecurityImpact review a full review or more of a quick look to see if there's a problem?18:20
bdpayneperhaps this is where I need to email the group and solicit some people that are willing to take this on18:20
bdpayne#action bdpayne to build out a security impact review team18:20
bknudsonif it's not a full review (since we're not familiar with the code in the project), I'd think you wouldn't want to even leave a vote.18:20
bknudsonunless you noticed a security problem.18:21
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bdpaynein that case, I would want the team to try to find a good person to do that review18:21
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bdpaynebut, yes, I agress18:21
bdpayne#topic Open Discussion18:21
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bdpayneSo I'd like to get an update on from the book editors18:21
bdpayneI haven't seen them in a while18:21
bknudsonso there's one in nova right now...
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bdpayneyeah, that one has been going through review for a long time18:22
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bdpayneBeyond the book, anything else that people would like to see in here in future weeks?18:22
bknudson68 patch sets, wow.18:22
bdpayneI'd like to start pulling in the right people so that we can have the discussions needed to keep things moving forward18:23
bdpayneAnd I just want to make sure that I'm not missing important ongoing efforts18:23
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bknudsonso if this was a security review of 40467, I'd ask if "aes-xts-plain64" was a good default cipher and 512 was a good default size for the key18:24
bdpaynethose would be reasonable questions18:25
bknudsonare those the kind of things you'd expect of a security review? (I don't know the answer to either)18:25
bdpayneideally, I'd want a security reviewer to find stuff like that and suggest the right options18:25
bdpayneI'd also want them to look for general security coding issues18:25
bdpaynelike shelling out, input validation, etc18:26
bdpayneok, sounds like there's not much more on people's minds today18:26
bdpaynethat's all that I have for today18:26
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bknudsonbdpayne: do you know of good resources where we could go to learn about things like "aes-xts-plain64" cipher?18:27
bdpayneGenerally it's best to talk with someone who understands crypto18:28
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bdpaynehyakuhei and I are both sort of in that camp18:28
bdpaynethere are books and such18:28
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bdpaynebut so much history and best practices knowledge that isn't neatly captured in any one place(es)18:28
nkinderthanks guys!18:29
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harlowja#start-meeting state-management20:00
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harlowjahi folks!20:01
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iv_mhi hi20:02
harlowjahi hi20:02
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harlowja#topic last-action-items20:02
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iv_moh my20:03
harlowjasoooo zookeeper should now be running on the testing slaves, due to
harlowjai'm doing some verification to see if it really is, supposedly is :-P20:04
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harlowjaif not i'll bug infra to see what its doing20:04
harlowja#link will use this20:04
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harlowjaalthough marco here stated we should use an ENV variable to know if zookeper should be used instead of probing localhost20:05
harlowjathat seems to make sense...20:05
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harlowjasome env variable set by jenkins in the test environemtn to know whats avaialble20:05
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changblhi guys20:05
harlowjahi changbl20:05
harlowjajust was discussing my action item about zookeeper20:06
changblharlowja, i am reading the logs20:06
harlowjaretried test thats supposed to find it last night, it didn't seem to run, so gonna investigate more20:06
changblmove one20:06
changblmove on20:06
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harlowjaalso other one i had was venv conf changes, that all got resolved after a little bumps around which ones we were using20:06
* iv_m totally forgout about our action item, moves to next week20:06
iv_m#action iv_m akarpinska1 wiki writeup on reversion strategies20:06
harlowjaiv_m woot :)20:06
harlowjai think is still happening, but shouldn't be hard to fix20:07
harlowjaif anyone wants to figure that one out, much appreciated :)20:07
harlowjaiv_m i think put some comments up on that also20:07
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akarpinska1I think, I'll finish the last part of reversion strategies soon and then will write some examples and wiki20:07
harlowjaakarpinska1 great, that will help a bunch (for me especially)20:08
iv_makarpinska1: cool20:08
harlowjaakarpinska1 are u doing ok :-/20:08
harlowjaukraine ??20:08
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akarpinska1but my cinder patch has been merged today. I want to put a new one to review and then return to taskflow, maybe next week20:09
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harlowjaakarpinska1 ++++++20:09
akarpinska1I'm fine, everything ok in Kharkov20:09
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harlowjaakarpinska1 good, phew, hopefully ukraine calms down (but who knows)20:10
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harlowjahmmm, and i had one other action item, not sure what 'harlowja writeup little wiki with a similar explanation as checkpoint/reversion/controller strategies' was about, lol20:11
harlowjaso i'll look into what the heck i was supposed to do :-P20:11
harlowja#action harlowja look into what u were supposed to do20:11
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harlowja#topic 0.2 release timeframe/timeline/features20:12
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harlowjasooo this is an interesting one20:12
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harlowjaso let me just list what i know about for 0.220:13
harlowja1. reverting/retry strategy work20:13
harlowja2. zookeeper work (jobboard + logbook backend)20:13
harlowja3. kombu engine20:14
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harlowjathose are the big 3 that are currently being reviewed and i think are nearly all ready to go20:14
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harlowja+ other bugs (like the storage locking one)20:14
harlowjawhat do people think is a good timeline to get all those reviews in and done?20:15
harlowjanext week?20:15
harlowja*just needs some focused review time imho20:15
changbl2  is fine with me for next week20:15
akarpinska1maybe 2-3 weeks, to test it well and write docs20:15
iv_mi don't think we'll manage to do it next week, 2-3 weeks look more reasonable to me20:15
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iv_mbut i'll try nevertheless;)20:16
harlowjaok, iv_m  that seems fine :)20:16
harlowjaakarpinska1 sounds great, the doc part i think will be the real great addition, to make sure people understand the concept  :)20:17
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harlowjacause i know i'm a little confused by #1  :)20:17
harlowjamore docs the better20:17
harlowjachangbl u ok with doing those zookeeper reviews when u get time, seem manageable?20:18
changblyes, harlowja20:18
akarpinska1maybe it became more clear with example20:18
harlowjaakarpinska1 i think that will help :)20:18
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harlowjaok, lets aim for 2 weeks and see what it gets us, probably when we release we (or me) can write up little ML post that says new features and new additions...20:19
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harlowjalet people know and all that20:19
harlowja#action iv_m akarpinska1 changbl harlowja  try to make 0.2 happen  in 2 weeks :)20:20
changblyes, sir:)20:20
harlowjathx u sir20:20
harlowjak, cool, so next bigger topic20:20
harlowja#topic oslo-joining-part-320:20
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harlowjaor is it part 4, i'm not sure, lol20:20
harlowjaso i think everyone is aware of this kind of question, to join oslo or not20:21
iv_mok, to sum up, when we join to oslo20:21
iv_m- we get cool repo url20:21
iv_m- there will be few organizational changes20:21
iv_m- we get more visibility in community20:21
iv_m- everything else stays pretty much the same20:21
iv_mam i missing something?20:21
harlowjaafaik yes20:21
harlowjaand we help guide the oslo community into what this means20:22
harlowjasince it appears not to be well known really20:22
harlowja*ie help establish the ground-rules20:22
harlowjaso not missing anything else i think iv_m (except the uncertainty part)20:22
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harlowjaso maybe we can have a vote, i think most core people are here, does that seem ok?20:24
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harlowja#startvote Should we join oslo and see what happens? Yes, No, Maybe20:24
openstackBegin voting on: Should we join oslo and see what happens? Valid vote options are Yes, No, Maybe.20:24
openstackVote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts.20:24
harlowja#vote yes20:24
changbl#vote yes20:24
iv_m#vote Yes20:25
haruka_#vote yes20:25
akarpinska1#vote maybe20:25
iv_mat least out of curiosity20:25
harlowja*feel free to vote as u want, no pressure20:25
harlowjai will not penalize anyone for voting in there own way :)20:25
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harlowjaok, anyone else around that wants to vote?20:26
* harlowja waits a few just incase20:27
iv_mharlowja: final countdown?20:27
openstackMaybe (1): akarpinska120:27
akarpinska1I'm not too familiar with oslo and I can't make a decision :(20:27
openstackYes (4): iv_m, harlowja, haruka_, changbl20:27
harlowjaakarpinska1 sure, and thats fine to20:27
openstackVoted on "Should we join oslo and see what happens?" Results are20:28
openstackMaybe (1): akarpinska120:28
openstackYes (4): iv_m, harlowja, haruka_, changbl20:28
harlowjaok, so i'll start talking with dhellmann about what the next steps are20:28
harlowja*likely infra changes (don't want to overload them either)20:28
iv_makarpinska1: ^^20:29
akarpinska1I worked only with oslo.messaging and I don't like it :(20:29
harlowjawe just have to make sure we don't become like that :)20:29
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harlowjaaka, we control our own destiny still20:30
iv_mso, oslo will have at least one library we like20:30
harlowjahacking :-P20:30
harlowjaand taskflow20:30
harlowjamaybe oslo.messaging someday20:30
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iv_mi was just kidding of course20:31
harlowja#action harlowja work with dhellmann to figure out next steps, and unless something drastically is bad, move forward here with oslo and see what happens20:31
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changbl+1 harlowja20:32
harlowjacool, hopefully everything turns out ok, if something seems wrong, i'll let u all know20:32
harlowja*hopes nothing seems wrong*20:32
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harlowja#topic reviews-feedback-more-reviews20:33
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harlowjaso any reviews that need discussion, or integration reviews that need discussion (or just in general any review)20:34
harlowjai have one at least,
harlowjaiv_m did u investigate the lock-less solution, would be interested in hearing that20:34
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harlowja*others feel free to bring up any reviews u have also20:34
harlowjacongrats to akarpinska1 for another cinder integration review done :)20:35
haruka_not gerrit is OK?20:35
changbl+1 akarpinska120:35
harlowjaharuka_ ?20:35
haruka_I commented at etherpad a little bit.Would you read it later?
harlowjaah, great haruka_ will look at20:36
haruka_thank you.20:36
harlowjaharuka_ initial feedback, i think cinder can just create a table for taskflow, and use it, taskflow isn't connected to oslo.db, but instead has a SQLAlchemyBackend that can be configured to use whatever cinder table they want (or its own db)20:37
harlowjaits also possible that we can extend SQLAlchemyBackend to take in a pre-existing 'engine' that oslo.db would provide20:38
haruka_oh yes. good.20:38
harlowjataskflow not depending on oslo.db was intentionally (oslo.db isn't a pypi library yet, the incubator version depends on oslo.confg which doesn't behave with libraries so well imho)20:39
harlowjai am seeing progrress in that area @
harlowja*making oslo.db better, more library like20:39
harlowja*no globals and such, thinks that are totally not appropriate for a library20:40
harlowja*things that20:40
haruka_hmh . thank sfor your feedback. I think so too.20:40
harlowjanp, i'll add some more on the etherpad20:40
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harlowja*some more ideas*20:41
harlowjaany other reviews that people need looking at (etherpads welcome to), if not thats fine to :)20:41
iv_mharlowja: i guess smth should be done to move forward, also i'm not sure what(20:41
harlowjathat one20:41
harlowjado u know if alex is working on that at all iv_m ?20:42
harlowjalast thing i heard was the nova folks wanted a little more of a blueprint with the ideas/design/api adjustments20:43
harlowja*especially in regard to the virt drivers20:43
harlowjaan idea, if alex can get some of that done, then i can help with him writeup ML email or talk with nova folks about it20:44
harlowjasee if we can get something to happen there20:44
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harlowjaand we need to get a nova-core to make sure they understand it i think20:45
iv_mk, we'll se what we can do, writing some docs is our next step20:45
harlowja*understand the intention20:45
harlowjadaniel berrange seems like he understands it, and i think he's nova-core so if we have some docs we can start discussion with him and see what to do20:46
harlowjaiv_m sound ok?20:46
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harlowjathx for brining that up20:47
* harlowja knows its not so easy to make such integration changes (takes alot of persistence)20:48
harlowjajust think of it like fighting a dragon or something20:48
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harlowjaso any need for new use-cases topic??20:50
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harlowjaguess can just open-discuss for 10 mins20:50
harlowja#topic open-discuss20:50
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harlowjaso i had a question for folks20:50
harlowjasummit, design, speaker sessions?20:51
harlowjashould we/me try to do another one??20:51
harlowjataskflow new-hotness session or something20:51
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iv_mof course we should20:51
harlowjawhat should we talk about :)20:51
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harlowjamaybe just something to think about20:52
harlowjai can do another talk about taskflow session if i have to :-P20:52
harlowja#link v20:52
harlowjai'd be neat to demo some of the remote-worker stuff20:53
akarpinska1we will have a lot of new features on may20:53
harlowjaakarpinska1 agreed20:53
harlowjaissue is 'Submit your talk HERE!  Hurry, the deadline to submit is February 14, 2014.  '20:53
harlowjaso thats not design sessions but more like the video i did last time20:53
harlowjafeb 14th not that far away20:54
harlowjai'll start an etherpad where we can brainstorm i guess20:54
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harlowjadesign sessions also, think about those20:55
harlowjacinder persistence maybe?20:55
harlowjaor nova20:56
harlowjaor glance + remote works + taskflow20:56
akarpinska1maybe we should ask Stas to20:56
harlowjaanyone that has ideas is welcome :)20:56
akarpinska1prepare a techtalk about worker-based engine20:56
harlowjafirst though a little writeup20:57
harlowjacause speaker sessions get voted afaik20:57
harlowjaso techtalk i think if it gets approved20:57
harlowjaif he wants to do one anyway, thats cool to20:57
akarpinska1I'm not sure if he could go to the summit, but he could help with presentation20:57
harlowjai don't mind doing all of them20:58
harlowjaif i have to :)20:58
harlowja*i'll be damn tired though, haha20:58
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harlowjaiv_m akarpinska1 be nice to have u 2 go :)20:59
harlowjaanyways, time almost up20:59
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akarpinska1I'm not sure if I can :( but I want to go20:59
akarpinska1depends on our managers21:00
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iv_makarpinska1: we'll try to ping the mighty ones21:00
harlowjaalright #openstack-state-management for further21:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'nova'21:01
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russellbhello, everyone!21:01
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russellb#topic general21:01
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cyeohhi (will be away intermittently and have to leave early)21:01
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russellbicehouse schedule:21:01
russellbicehouse winding down on us21:02
russellbicehouse-3 deadlines for nova:21:02
russellbless than 1 week before blueprints need to be approved21:02
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russellbless than 3 weeks until code for blueprints must be up for review21:02
russellbany schedule questions?21:03
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russellb#topic sub-teams21:03
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russellblet's dive into some sub-group efforts21:03
* n0ano gantt21:03
russellbn0ano: go for it21:03
n0anofew things21:03
n0anono db scheduler - boris is making progress but the performance studies hit bottleneck unrelated to the scheduler, his team will have to solve them before then can really work on the scheduler part21:04
jog0n0ano: what type of bottlenecks?21:04
jog0and do we have bugs filed for 'em21:05
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n0anohe didn't provide details, they are still analyzing, I don't think they know where it is yet21:05
russellbOK, so we don't expect that for icehouse-3 then?21:05
russellbshould we defer it?21:05
n0anoseems unlikely but I'd let boris make that kind of call21:05
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russellbboris-42: ^^^21:06
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russellbsaw some gantt updates this week21:06
jog0+1 for defer, it would be great to have a few months running something like that before making a stable release21:06
n0anocode forklift to gantt - passing the unit tests, getting the patch reviewed, next step is to get it to pass the tempest integration tests21:06
russellbjog0: yeah, end of release cycle isn't the best time to land critically invasive bits21:07
* melwitt novaclient (short report)21:07
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russellbn0ano: OK, get your devstack patch in?21:08
n0anorussellb, I just updated it this morning, I'm hopefull that's it's mergeable now21:08
russellbn0ano: OK, well keep up the work on it ... hopefully we can demonstrate it running by juno21:09
n0anoreview of is always good21:09
n0anoI think that's a doable goal (with a lot of work still needed)21:09
russellbsdague: devstack for gantt ^21:09
sdaguerussellb: ok, will look21:09
russellbk thanks!21:09
russellbn0ano: any other topics?21:09
n0anoof course, big meeting this week :-)21:10
russellbor anything you need?21:10
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n0anosome discussion on policy based scheduler, BP at
n0anolooks interesting but still needs work.21:10
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russellband needs to be split up21:11
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n0anofinally, instance groups changes are still under review, they are working on revising to make the patches palatable21:11
russellbn0ano: i've been wondering about those ... would love to see that make it21:11
russellbat the last summit, the objection was that the design got way out of control (too complicated)21:11
jog0n0ano: is that for v2 and v3 or just v3?21:11
russellband we wanted to see it return to much more simple approach that it had before21:11
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n0anojog0, they're still trying for both v2 & v321:12
n0anothey want to split the code into 3 parts, v2, v3 and doc21:12
jog0thoughts on just doing v3?21:12
n0anothat will help the review process but it's still complicated21:12
n0anojog0, didn't go into that so don't know.21:12
jog0adding more v2 API as we try to get v3 out the door seems like a distraction21:13
jog0not against it per se though21:13
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russellbnot huge amount of extra code21:13
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russellbdefinitely v3 though, v2 a bonus21:13
n0anoI'd push for do v3 first and then add v2 later but that's debo's call21:14
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russellbOK, hope we can get that in then21:14
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russellbmelwitt: you're up21:15
melwittthe biweekly novaclient report 2014/1/30:21:15
melwittopen bugs, 141 !fix released, 84 !fix released and !fix committed21:15
melwitt26 new bugs, 0 high bugs21:15
melwitt12 patches up, 3 are WIP, reviews are all active21:15
russellba few new ones, but not bad21:15
russellbanything you think needs special attention?21:16
russellbprobably about time we had a novaclient release ... haven't done one in a while21:16
russellbwonder when the time is right for that21:16
cyeohrussellb: I was just about to ask for that21:16
russellbnow?  after icehouse-3?21:16
russellbit's cheap and easy to release really21:16
cyeohwe can now boot and do pretty much everything against the V3 API21:16
mriedemgaryk has vm diagnostics stuff going into the client21:16
cyeohso a new release would allow us to start doing scenario testing21:16
mriedemso i'd vote after his patches land in nova/client for that blueprint21:16
melwittthere's this review seems straightforward, adding the client side support for rdp console
russellbi told them i'd review the nova side for the rdp part21:17
russellbso it sounds like we'll need one just after feature freeze21:17
russellbbut i could do one now too if that's valuable21:17
russellband then another for whatever lands in the next month as we go to freeze21:17
cyeohone now would be useful so we can start working on the tempest v3 api scenario tests21:17
russellbcyeoh: OK, i'll put that on my todo (may be tomorrow)21:18
cyeohrussellb: thanks!21:18
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russellbanything else on novaclient?  or other sub-team stuff?21:18
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melwittno, that's it. I didn't notice the nova side of the rdp hadn't been merged yet, my bad21:19
mriedemi had a client related question21:19
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russellbmelwitt: np21:19
russellbmriedem: go for it21:19
mriedemthis bug
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mriedemadds flavor extra spec validation21:19
mriedemin horizon, client and nova api21:19
mriedemis it normal to do that triple maintenance?21:19
mriedemi thought nova api validation would be enough21:19
mriedemlet the clients handle the 40021:19
russellbwell, definitely in the API21:20
russellbthe client?  meh, probably not IMO21:20
mriedemok, that's what i said in the reviews21:20
mriedembut wasn't sure21:20
russellbhorizon, they may have good reason21:20
mriedemyeah, front-side validation for perf or something21:20
mriedemok, that's all21:21
russellbperformance, or just a better UI with better feedback or something21:21
cyeohits pretty common in novaclient to do a bit of duplicate validation.21:21
mriedemcyeoh: ok, that's what i wasn't sure of, i didn't like duplicating the regex all over the place21:21
russellbsame could be said in the CLI21:21
cyeohmriedem: yea its bad when it gets out of sync. I think people probably did it because they want very specific error messages (for the CLI)21:22
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mriedemok, i got enough, don't mean to hold the meeting up21:22
russellball good :)21:22
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russellb#topic bugs21:22
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russellbwe've actually made some good progress in the last week on nova gate bugs21:23
russellbstill plenty to chase though overall ...
dansmithprogress why? because I was out and didn't make any new gate bugs?21:23
russellbthis page was added recently, very helpful to see the stuff we haven't categorized yet:
russellbdansmith: mainly, yes21:23
dansmithrussellb: tell perry I need more vacation then21:24
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russellblast week we talked about a bug day21:24
mriedemthe untagged bug list has been picked over a bit in the last week too21:24
russellbjohn g isn't around, he was going to organize21:24
russellbi'll have to ping him tomorrow21:24
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lifelesssorry I've been failing at driving a bug team21:24
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russellblifeless: it's OK, you have your hands full21:25
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lifelessrussellb: I rather suspect I do21:25
russellbbug team management position open :)21:25
mriedemwe have over 90 untagged bugs on sunday, down to 48 now21:25
russellblifeless: tripleo is a huge mission :)21:25
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mriedema lot of those are check failures that are dupes or no longer showing up in logstash21:25
russellbmriedem: thanks for the help :)21:25
mriedemnp, point is it's not as bad as it probably looks21:25
mriedemwhen you sift through the clutter21:26
* dansmith nominates mriedem as bug lackey^Wwrangler21:26
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russellbmriedem: you'd be great!21:26
mriedemi consider it a hobby o-)21:26
russellborganize a bug day now and then ... get a few people to meet weekly to do triage together21:26
mriedemwhile tox runs21:26
russellbmisery loves company?21:26
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mriedemwill think about it21:26
russellbalright, moving on for now21:27
russellb#topic blueprints21:27
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russellbblueprints must be approved by tuesday21:27
russellbwe have to start trimming this down21:27
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russellbif there are particular ones you feel are especially important, we should talk about the priority21:27
russellbi've given up on the nova-core sponsor thing for icehouse21:28
russellband would like to just hand pick a set that we feel are the most important to review and merge21:28
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russellbif you have stuff on this list, i'd appreciate taking a look and making sure the status is accurate21:28
russellband if you know it won't make it, go ahead and defer to "next"21:29
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russellbany blueprints folks want to talk about specifically?21:29
alaskiI'd like to propose as important in order to get into v3, despite my neglect up to this point21:29
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jog0russellb: I would like to see make it in21:30
cyeohalaski: yea I'd really like to see that get in21:30
russellbalaski: still drafting though ... needs design ACK before approved :-/21:30
russellbbut yeah, that probably has to make it, or v3 doesn't make it (per list discussion)21:30
russellbjog0: sounds good, feel free to bump to medium21:31
lifelessI filed a new one last week21:31
* lifeless looks it up21:31
alaskirussellb: I'll have a design and code by tomorrow, which can at least get it into discussion21:31
mriedemjog0: we need to link that bp to the bug blocking newer libvirt21:31
* mriedem looks21:31
russellbalaski: great!21:31
jog0mriedem: go for it21:31
russellbalaski: and let's plan to dive into it more deeply in person, maybe we can push progress quickly that way21:31
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russellblifeless: didn't target to icehouse-321:31
cyeohrussellb: I'd like to get the v3 api related blueprints to get bumped up a bit. to make sure we have a consistent interface21:32
russellblifeless: needs target and assignee, and that puts it in the review queue21:32
lifelessrussellb: oh, sorry. The targeting stuff always gets me21:32
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russellbnp, there's just way too much noise in there, so i'm only looking at the targeted stuff21:32
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lifelessrussellb: done21:32
alaskirussellb: sounds good21:32
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russellbcyeoh: i think that's fine.  it needs to be prioritized to have a chance to make icehouse21:33
russellbcyeoh: send me a list of blueprints that need to be bumped21:33
cyeohrussellb: thx, will do21:33
russellbspeaking of v3, XML is almost ripped out21:34
russellba good bit of that merged in the last 24 hours21:34
cyeohexcellent :-) That makes new stuff going in significantly easier to review too21:35
sdagueyay for XML v3 being gone :)21:35
russellbsdague: thanks for pushing that21:35
russellb#topic open discussion21:36
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russellbanything else for today?21:36
cyeohso just one thing on the V3 API21:37
jog0russellb: we need to be careful watching for new gate bugs21:37
jog0so we can keep the gate queue moving21:37
russellbjog0: for sure ... could use some sort of notification when stuff crops up21:38
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russellbhard to just always study the data21:38
russellbi'm hoping my focus can start shifting back to nova now21:38
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jog0russellb: tracking uncalssified failures21:38
devanandaI just bumped deprecate-baremetal-driver to "Beta available" -- there's a review up and Ironic folks have it working. More polish on the way soon.21:38
russellbdevananda: cool21:38
jog0so just watch
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lifelessdevananda: \o/21:38
mriedemjog0: if i have to be bug boy you have to be gate man21:39
melwittanother V3 API thing, I was wondering if I can put up a patch to add back the security groups extension functionality that was removed assuming nova-network deprecation21:39
russellbmriedem: totally21:39
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lifelessmelwitt: :(21:39
russellbjog0 is the nova gate czar21:39
lifelessmaybe someone should write a neutron backend that calls nova-network RPCs21:39
lifelessthen we don't need the public API to be messed up21:39
russellblifeless: ha21:40
russellbhadn't considered that ...21:40
russellbsomewhat evil21:40
cyeohmelwitt: if nova-network really is going to stick around for a long time then there is a lot of nova-network stuff we have to put back in21:40
russellbsadly yes21:40
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russellbat this point, i have no confidence in any timeline for nova-network going away21:40
melwittright.. I had removed it is why I ask, forgot to mention that heh21:41
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cyeohmelwitt: but i'm also a bit wary of the benefit of releasing with incomplete nova-network (random bits missing) rather than having none at al21:41
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russellbthat was the right thing to do based on previous planning21:41
russellbplan has changed now :-/21:41
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sdaguecyeoh: what's the minimum yuo think we need?21:41
sdagueif we had a good minimum, we could do a hard press to get it in21:41
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cyeohsdague: yea that's true. I guess the fixed/floating stuff has to go in21:42
cyeohstuff like cloudpipe is probably low priority21:42
russellbnot sure cloudpipe worked21:42
russellbso meh21:42
cyeohsecurity groups as melwitt  mentions21:42
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cyeohand its much easier if we live with some parts of the API only working with nova-network (but obviously is ugly)21:43
russellbnetwork creation stuff21:43
cyeohyea the networks extension has to go back in21:43
cyeohand need to reverify the server boot path21:43
lifelessrussellb: how big is the neutron gap really? - there is HA for l3 already21:44
lifelessrussellb: I meant to reply to your email, just haven't done so yet21:44
cyeohalso need novaclient changes (this part is where we'd really be pushing the deadlines I suspect)21:44
russellblifeless: feature gap is part of it, the quality/testing/reliability/scale gap is also part of it21:44
russellblifeless: and my impression from neutron folks is that significant pieces just need to be rewritten21:44
beagleslifeless: quality/perf is a huge part21:44
lifelessrussellb: fwiw we have /no/ nova-network test scenarios in tripleo today21:45
melwittcyeoh: novaclient changes to put things back? or has some v3 api stuff not been added yet still?21:45
russellblike, for example, with the open source plugins, you can't run more than one API server, or more than one API worker21:45
russellbso you go beyond proof of concept, and your API worker will fall the heck over21:45
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sdaguelifeless: as a data point, devananda switched ironic testing to nova-network yesterday so he could merge code again, as the neutron kernel bug tickle meant he couldn't merge code otherwise21:45
cyeohmelwitt: I avoided porting V2 code to V3 for novaclient where it was nova-network specific21:45
russellbit's just unusable21:45
melwittcyeoh: goti t21:45
melwitt*got it21:46
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lifelesssdague: interesting, but ironic can't boot VM's with nova-network21:46
devanandayep. we added tempest tests to ironic's gate pipe, and with neutron enabled (even though we aren't using it yet) we couldn't merge anything21:46
sdaguelifeless: yep21:46
devanandalifeless: i know21:46
lifelesssdague: so I'm not sure what it means :>21:46
devanandalifeless: but tempest can't pass with neutron enabled right now21:46
lifelessdevananda: ack21:47
russellblifeless: yeah it's a tough situation ... we've all been planning based on neutron being ready for prime time long ago21:47
devanandaso we won't be able to test that functionality of ironic21:47
melwittcyeoh: I'd like to help on that side if you need it. I haven't gotten a chance to dig into novaclient much yet though I want to21:47
lifelessdevananda: btw21:47
devananda*to have tempest test ...21:47
lifelessdevananda: the tripleo test cluster is usable by you now21:47
devanandalifeless: sweet!21:47
lifelessdevananda: just define jobs21:47
cyeohmelwitt: that'd be great - although we can't really merge until the nova patches merge, they can be done speculatively I think (the api should in most cases not change much from V2 - just general cleanups)21:48
lifelessdevananda: for instance - a 'up to seed usable' test
melwittcyeoh: true. I also want to help with the nova patches since I'm pretty familiar. so I'll keep an eye out for the etherpad tracking that work to see if I can pitch in21:49
devanandalifeless: so we'll probably want to make seed able to use nova-ironic next21:49
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devanandalifeless: so taht we dont need to bring up undercloud every time we want to test ironic.21:50
cyeohmelwitt: I'll try to get an etherpad list of stuff we need to do for nova-network out later today21:50
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lifelessdevananda: thats a good idea; and add a parallel job for that21:50
melwittcyeoh: awesome, thanks.21:50
devanandalifeless: we should move to #tripleo to continue this :)21:50
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lifelessdevananda: triggered on anything tripleo + devstack-gte + *ironic* changes21:50
russellbwell thanks everyone for coming, i'll close the meeting and we can move back to project channels21:50
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lifelesswe're not ready for the firehose of nova changes yet21:51
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