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| enikanorov_ | neutron lbaas meeting in 2 minutes | 13:59 |
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| enikanorov_ | hi | 14:00 |
| vjay | hi | 14:00 |
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| enikanorov_ | anyone for lbaas meeting? | 14:00 |
| iwamoto | hi | 14:00 |
| enikanorov_ | hi | 14:01 |
| enikanorov_ | #startmeeting neutron lbaas | 14:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jan 30 14:01:11 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is enikanorov_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_lbaas' | 14:01 |
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| obondarev | Hi! | 14:02 |
| s3wong | Hello | 14:02 |
| enikanorov_ | #topic announcements | 14:02 |
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| enikanorov_ | hi s3wong | 14:02 |
| enikanorov_ | we have feature proposal deadline which is 18 of Feb | 14:02 |
| evgenyf | Hi | 14:02 |
| enikanorov_ | anything we plan to land in I should be pushed to gerrit prior to 18 feb | 14:02 |
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| vjay | Ok. My apologies for ignorance. how is ssl and L7 looking. | 14:04 |
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| enikanorov_ | yep, lets discuss features | 14:04 |
| enikanorov_ | so per previous meeting decision, we need backed support of the new portions of API that we're going to add | 14:04 |
| enikanorov_ | e.g. L7 and SSL | 14:04 |
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| enikanorov_ | #topic features discussion | 14:05 |
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| enikanorov_ | currently L7 and SSL extensions are on review and require some work (fixing reviewers comments, etc) | 14:05 |
| enikanorov_ | Oleg is going to work on L7 for haproxy while I'm going to work on adding SSL to haproxy (via stunnel) | 14:06 |
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| enikanorov_ | in both cases our work is depends on corresponding extension patches (so we can do end-to-end testing) | 14:06 |
| obondarev | L7 also depends on loadbalancer instance patch I believe | 14:07 |
| evgenyf | I have more commets to address in SSL, some were addressed in the last patch | 14:07 |
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| enikanorov_ | right. that would be a requirement for haproxy to pick l7 up | 14:07 |
| obondarev | yes | 14:08 |
| enikanorov_ | regarding SSL there are a few things that we need to consider | 14:08 |
| enikanorov_ | first of all, server-agent communication | 14:08 |
| evgenyf | right, association resource | 14:08 |
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| enikanorov_ | I've started corresponding thread on ML. Only russellb replied so far. | 14:08 |
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| enikanorov_ | Personally I like the idea of secure messaging | 14:09 |
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| enikanorov_ | especially because it doesn't require anything additional from the code | 14:09 |
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| vjay | a related question, what is the call on certs and keys storage? is it using the babican service? | 14:09 |
| enikanorov_ | so I think that will be the approach I will follow | 14:09 |
| enikanorov_ | vjay: not yet. | 14:10 |
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| enikanorov_ | vjay: i think we're going to use cert attributes as transient for now | 14:10 |
| enikanorov_ | we decided that neutron db is not going to be a storage for certs | 14:10 |
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| enikanorov_ | so that brings up some difficulties in managing ssl-enabled vips | 14:11 |
| vjay | where are these discussions/decisions happening? | 14:11 |
| enikanorov_ | (I'm talking about haproxy implementation right now) | 14:11 |
| enikanorov_ | vjay: we've discussed that on the previous meeting | 14:12 |
| vjay | ok. may be i missed. | 14:12 |
| enikanorov_ | also there is quite old thread on ML about whether to store certificates in db | 14:12 |
| vjay | i remember that, but in the original thread the final discussion was undecided. | 14:13 |
| enikanorov_ | and as far as i recall, the opinions were different on the matter | 14:13 |
| vjay | no conclusion/concensus on the db store was reached | 14:13 |
| vjay | nor transient | 14:13 |
| enikanorov_ | right. Mark has some project-wise security concerns on storing certs in db. | 14:13 |
| vjay | because in case of transient we cannot apply back the config | 14:13 |
| vjay | ok | 14:13 |
| enikanorov_ | yes, that's the problem | 14:13 |
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| enikanorov_ | we only can pass cert once, in case we move configuration, or restart the agent, certs could be lost | 14:14 |
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| enikanorov_ | 'lost' logically, i mean. so in order to bring vip up, tenant will need to provide certificates once again | 14:15 |
| vjay | ok | 14:15 |
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| vjay | how will that be communicated to client | 14:15 |
| enikanorov_ | and sad thing is, that looking at ssl extension i don't see how it can be done | 14:15 |
| evgenyf | we will have to ask for private key of certs every time association issued | 14:15 |
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| enikanorov_ | that is a good question that we can't notify client, actually | 14:16 |
| enikanorov_ | client can monitor vip | 14:16 |
| enikanorov_ | status of vip | 14:16 |
| obondarev | sorry, which client? | 14:16 |
| enikanorov_ | we only can put it into down state indicating that certificate is required | 14:16 |
| obondarev | do you mean user? | 14:17 |
| enikanorov_ | obondarev:vjay meant user | 14:17 |
| vjay | sorry, yes tenant/user | 14:17 |
| obondarev | ok, thanks | 14:17 |
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| vjay | apologiesso will this extension be marked experimental or will the APIs be part of LBaaS plugin? | 14:18 |
| iwamoto | can Marconi be used for notification? | 14:18 |
| enikanorov_ | vjay: we also decided that ssl is a part of core lbaas api | 14:18 |
| vjay | ok. | 14:19 |
| enikanorov_ | l7 and ssl are core features | 14:19 |
| enikanorov_ | that's why we need solid design for that | 14:19 |
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| vjay | ok | 14:19 |
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| enikanorov_ | evgenyf: could you think of how we can propose single workflow regardless of whether we store certs in db or not? | 14:20 |
| enikanorov_ | or at least, similar workflow | 14:20 |
| vjay | should db even be considered? we can think of transient and babican right? | 14:20 |
| samuelbercovici | barbican is not yet even in incubation. | 14:21 |
| enikanorov_ | right, but the API should be the same regardless of how we store certs | 14:21 |
| samuelbercovici | the vote on this is going to happen in a week or two | 14:21 |
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| samuelbercovici | enikanorov_:the work with barbican should add a few more options to pass the certificates | 14:22 |
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| evgenyf | enikanorov_:In case the private is transient it should be taken from the request, or if persistent, take from the DB. if persistent, private may be None in request | 14:23 |
| vjay | sam: it will be good if the wiki can be updated. | 14:23 |
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| evgenyf | I will update the WIKI with last decisions | 14:24 |
| enikanorov_ | evgenyf: ok | 14:24 |
| vjay | ok. it will be good if we know how using barbican later will affect the apis or workflow. | 14:25 |
| samuelbercovici | vjay: this is still unclear | 14:26 |
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| enikanorov_ | so the question now is that ssl extension and db proposes separate resources for certificates | 14:27 |
| samuelbercovici | the planned difference is that it will not change the api, it might add passing the "certificate id" instead of the actula certificate so that the information than be pulled from barbican | 14:27 |
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| enikanorov_ | and workflow is that we create them, and then associate with the vip | 14:27 |
| vjay | ok. | 14:27 |
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| enikanorov_ | while 'transient' is passing certificate to the vip on create/update operation | 14:28 |
| enikanorov_ | what do you think? | 14:28 |
| samuelbercovici | but as said, i have started looking at the possible options and apis and am waiting for the babrican project to be in incubation | 14:28 |
| samuelbercovici | assuming this happens we will discuss what it means to use babican | 14:28 |
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| evgenyf | enikanorov_:assoc. request will go with ids, and before secure store is available, with private keys too | 14:29 |
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| enikanorov_ | yeah, that looks like the only possible way | 14:30 |
| evgenyf | so no PI change is needed when we move to secure store | 14:30 |
| enikanorov_ | but the API looks... | 14:30 |
| evgenyf | API* | 14:30 |
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| enikanorov_ | ok | 14:30 |
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| vjay | ok. the approach is to pass key during vip-ssl-associate along with the certificate_id. and when a stable store is available there no requirement to pass key | 14:32 |
| vjay | does that sound right? | 14:32 |
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| enikanorov_ | vjay: yes | 14:33 |
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| enikanorov_ | any questions on ssl? | 14:33 |
| vjay | i am good, thanks! | 14:33 |
| enikanorov_ | ok, let's move to l7 | 14:34 |
| avishayb_ | hi | 14:34 |
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| enikanorov_ | it seems that it has less global problems to resolve | 14:34 |
| avishayb_ | work in progress.. | 14:34 |
| avishayb_ | need to sync the wiki with the real impl - do that next week | 14:35 |
| enikanorov_ | so obondarev is looking now into adopting l7 to haproxy via acls | 14:35 |
| obondarev | yeah | 14:35 |
| enikanorov_ | after discussion with obondarev we found out that we need lb instance in order to proceed with haproxy adoption | 14:35 |
| enikanorov_ | since multiple pools don't fit into current architecture | 14:36 |
| obondarev | but the first step is still to adopt loadbalancer instance approach to haproxy driver | 14:36 |
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| vjay | any reason for lb instance checkin delay? | 14:36 |
| obondarev | so I'm working on that patch now | 14:36 |
| samuelbercovici | can you explain what is the chalenge to do so without lb instance? | 14:36 |
| obondarev | sure | 14:37 |
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| obondarev | without lb instance we have only one pool with only one vip | 14:37 |
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| obondarev | so there is nothing l7 rools can actually swirch | 14:38 |
| obondarev | rules* | 14:38 |
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| enikanorov_ | not just that, currently whole haproxy configuration is stored under statepath/pool-id | 14:38 |
| enikanorov_ | also, scheduling works in such way that it binds pool to an agent | 14:38 |
| enikanorov_ | but we want all that multiple pools on one agent | 14:39 |
| enikanorov_ | handled by 1 haproxy loadbalancer | 14:39 |
| samuelbercovici | obondarev: if you create a 2nd pool and associate to a VIP which is already associated to the default pool (as it must), the info can then be sent to the appropriate ga proxy | 14:39 |
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| samuelbercovici | ga==ha | 14:39 |
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| obondarev | we can't associate two pools to one vip right now | 14:39 |
| enikanorov_ | thats one of the complications that we tried to avoid with lb instance | 14:40 |
| enikanorov_ | without lb instance we have configuration graph we need to traverse | 14:40 |
| enikanorov_ | instead of configuration tree | 14:40 |
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| samuelbercovici | enikanorov_: this is basicaly pool2-->association-->vip-->default_pool | 14:41 |
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| enikanorov_ | yes, it is | 14:41 |
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| enikanorov_ | and that what we don't want to traverse | 14:42 |
| samuelbercovici | so the change in the model is to do 1 traversal instead of 3? | 14:42 |
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| enikanorov_ | the change is that you create new pool to already-scheduler lb instance | 14:43 |
| enikanorov_ | *scheduled | 14:43 |
| obondarev | since both loadbalancer instance and l7 rules are decided to be core features I dont's see the reason avoiding dependency between them | 14:43 |
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| obondarev | as this dependency is quite natural | 14:43 |
| vjay | #agreed | 14:44 |
| obondarev | and makes things clear | 14:44 |
| vjay | enikanorov_: is there anything blocking loadbalancer instance like design or backward compatibility or anything else? Or is it just time before core reviewers finish the review? | 14:44 |
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| obondarev | both in code and logically | 14:44 |
| enikanorov_ | enikanorov: mostly gate failures blocking everything right now. The coments on review are minor, also new API is backward-compatible | 14:44 |
| enikanorov_ | vjay: | 14:44 |
| enikanorov_ | sorry :) | 14:45 |
| vjay | ok | 14:45 |
| enikanorov_ | so core reviewers are busy with gates | 14:45 |
| enikanorov_ | with fixing gate failures I mean | 14:45 |
| vjay | got it | 14:45 |
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| obondarev | avishayb_: the new patch set seems to fail tests | 14:47 |
| avishayb_ | yes - I know | 14:47 |
| vjay | Sam: Same is the case with NetScalers as well. Pools are sent to a device immediately when it is created. Two separate pools might landup in 2 separate devices. If the are connect to one VIP it would be a problem. LoadBalancer instance would solve the placement more naturally. | 14:47 |
| obondarev | avishayb_: and also not all comments seem to be resolved/answered | 14:47 |
| avishayb_ | I am aware to that | 14:48 |
| enikanorov_ | vjay: exactly the same with haproxy right now | 14:48 |
| iwamoto | I'm not sure what does the config with 2 pools and 1 vip mean | 14:48 |
| enikanorov_ | iwamoto: 1 pool for static images, another for dynamic pages | 14:49 |
| enikanorov_ | iwamoto: you balance based on uri | 14:49 |
| enikanorov_ | iwamoto: does it make sense? | 14:50 |
| obondarev | avishayb_: ok, thank you. I have some more concerns but they are mostly minor. Anyway I'd like to check them on new patch set, where all previous conserns are resolved | 14:50 |
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| iwamoto | enikanorov_: ah. standard l7 rule case. i see. how about 1vip+2pools case? | 14:51 |
| iwamoto | i'm still wondering we need graph traversal anyway | 14:51 |
| enikanorov_ | can you give an example? | 14:51 |
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| iwamoto | two unrelated LBs in a LB instance. eg. (pool1,pool2)-vip1, pool3-vip2 | 14:53 |
| samuelbercovici | iwamoto: I am not aware on any case of 1vip+2pools without l7 policies | 14:54 |
| enikanorov_ | and what do you mean by 'traverse'? the case you've described is possible | 14:54 |
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| enikanorov_ | but all that vips and pools will share the same capabilities | 14:55 |
| enikanorov_ | for isntance, they all are handled by same provider, bind to the same device or agent | 14:55 |
| enikanorov_ | and stored together | 14:55 |
| enikanorov_ | and that is because they belong to 1 instance | 14:55 |
| vjay | i have to drop off right now. thanks every one. | 14:55 |
| vjay | avishayb_: looking forward for the updates in wiki | 14:56 |
| enikanorov_ | vjay: thanks for joining | 14:56 |
| avishayb_ | sue.. | 14:56 |
| avishayb_ | *sure | 14:56 |
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| iwamoto | by "traverse", i mean separating pool-vip graph into disjoint groups, to write down haproxy configs or so on. | 14:57 |
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| enikanorov_ | well, that is no different from what it would be what we'll have l7 rules | 14:58 |
| samuelbercovici | enikanorov_: so the pool definition can't be shared by multiple lb instances? | 14:58 |
| enikanorov_ | we'll need to handle multiple backends | 14:58 |
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| enikanorov_ | samuelbercovici: that is not planned. is it needed? | 14:59 |
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| samuelbercovici | enikanorov_: when the vip<-->pool relshionship will be also fixed | 15:00 |
| enikanorov_ | not sure, why? | 15:00 |
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| enikanorov_ | we need to wrap up. let's move to neutron channel | 15:00 |
| enikanorov_ | #endmeeting | 15:00 |
| samuelbercovici | there is a case where the same definitions of pools etc is shared between multiple vips which leave in different physical instances | 15:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jan 30 15:00:44 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_lbaas/2014/neutron_lbaas.2014-01-30-14.01.html | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_lbaas/2014/neutron_lbaas.2014-01-30-14.01.txt | 15:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_lbaas/2014/neutron_lbaas.2014-01-30-14.01.log.html | 15:00 |
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| samuelbercovici | enikanorov_: lest switch to openstack-neutron | 15:01 |
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| ttx | Anyone around for the storyboard meeting ? | 16:00 |
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| ttx | We were thinking of cancelling it since we have the Storyboard sprint going on | 16:00 |
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| ttx | ok then. Meeting cancelled | 16:03 |
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| mtreinish | #startmeeting qa | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jan 30 17:00:06 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mtreinish. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: qa)" | 17:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'qa' | 17:00 |
| mtreinish | hi who's here today? | 17:00 |
| sdague | o/ | 17:00 |
| mtreinish | heh, ok this'll be a quick one I guess | 17:00 |
| mtreinish | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/QATeamMeeting | 17:01 |
| mtreinish | ^^^ today's agenda | 17:01 |
| dkranz | here | 17:01 |
| andreaf | hi | 17:01 |
| rahmu | hi | 17:01 |
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| mtreinish | so it looks like today's agenda is just the boiler plate one | 17:01 |
| mtreinish | but let's dive into it | 17:01 |
| mtreinish | #topic Blueprints | 17:01 |
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| mtreinish | so does anyone have any blueprints to bring up that need attention | 17:02 |
| mtreinish | or that have a status update | 17:02 |
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| andreaf | ok I'll start here | 17:02 |
| andreaf | I have an implementation of the multi auth bp here https://review.openstack.org/#/c/65311/ | 17:02 |
| giulivo | hi | 17:02 |
| andreaf | I think it would be good to get that through in icehouse as keystone v2 is going to be deprecated | 17:03 |
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| mtreinish | andreaf: can your massive refactor wait until after mine? :) https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/tempest+branch:master+topic:bp/config-cleanup,n,z | 17:04 |
| mtreinish | it's clash of the titans | 17:04 |
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| dolphm | o/ identity api v2 has been officially deprecated as of icehouse-m1 | 17:04 |
| andreaf | it's quite a large patch, a pain to rebase, so if anyone has ideas on how to split it ... | 17:04 |
| andreaf | mtreinish: yes I think so | 17:04 |
| sdague | dolphm: what is the status of the official python clients supporting v3? | 17:04 |
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| andreaf | mtreinish: I saw your patch both together will make the rest client __ini__ down to one parameter :) | 17:05 |
| dolphm | sdague: python-keystoneclient supports it quite well from a library perspective; python-openstackclient exposes it quite well on the CLI, barring some initial authentication/configuration hurdles which represents a significant barrier to adoption | 17:05 |
| sdague | dolphm: so if you use python-novaclient | 17:06 |
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| sdague | does it call keystone v3? | 17:06 |
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| dolphm | not today | 17:06 |
| andreaf | sdague: I fear not | 17:06 |
| sdague | what's required to make that happen? | 17:06 |
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| andreaf | most clients allow token / base url as input | 17:06 |
| andreaf | but not nova / cinder | 17:06 |
| andreaf | I filed a bug for that | 17:06 |
| sdague | because I'm a little concerned about use wildly diverging here from the way people are going to use this in the field | 17:06 |
| andreaf | I think all clients shall rely on keystone client for auth | 17:07 |
| dkranz | This is really going to put the "client libraries should work with old openstack releases" to the test... | 17:07 |
| mtreinish | sdague: well for the api tests at least there shouldn't be an issue | 17:07 |
| sdague | mtreinish: sure, as long as we decide to run the v2 stuff still | 17:07 |
| sdague | both ways that is | 17:07 |
| andreaf | https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-novaclient/+bug/1262843 | 17:08 |
| mtreinish | sdague: yeah I thought that was the intent having one job with v2 and the other with v3 | 17:08 |
| dolphm | andreaf: we're working on exposing some neat library features (mostly taking advantage of requests "sessions") to make it much easier for other clients to fully adopt identity api v3 in a couple lines of code | 17:08 |
| mtreinish | at least while v2 is still in tree | 17:08 |
| sdague | right, we do start to run up against job limits | 17:08 |
| sdague | so I'm cool with the cleanups this provides | 17:08 |
| sdague | and the plugability | 17:08 |
| dkranz | sdague: +1 | 17:08 |
| sdague | but I don't actually think this is icehouse critical | 17:08 |
| sdague | so if it doesn't all make it, that's fine. | 17:09 |
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| mtreinish | sdague: I bumped it up from low to high(not critical) yesterday | 17:09 |
| mkoderer | hi, sry I am late | 17:09 |
| sdague | because there is clearly a missing piece in all this with the fact that we can't actually run a v3 job | 17:09 |
| sdague | because we'll be using v2 all over the place | 17:10 |
| sdague | or v3 only job | 17:10 |
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| sdague | so lets get as much as makes sense in, but this really seems to beg the question of the overall matrix, which I think is going to be a summit discussion | 17:11 |
| mtreinish | yeah we need to iron out the details on the matrix | 17:11 |
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| mlavalle | Hi, sorry for the delay | 17:12 |
| andreaf | sdague: r3 v only job I agree, but at least we'll be stressing v3 a bit more | 17:12 |
| sdague | andreaf: sure | 17:12 |
| mtreinish | andreaf: ok is there anything else on the keystone v3 blueprint? | 17:12 |
| andreaf | andreaf: no | 17:12 |
| andreaf | mtreinish: no | 17:13 |
| mtreinish | heh, ok | 17:13 |
| andreaf | can't make sense in my typing :P | 17:13 |
| mtreinish | does anyone else have a blueprint to bring up | 17:13 |
| mtreinish | ? | 17:13 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: negative test | 17:13 |
| mkoderer | yep | 17:13 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: It is waiting for core reviews | 17:13 |
| mtreinish | dkranz, mkoderer: ok go ahead | 17:13 |
| mkoderer | please review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/64733/ | 17:13 |
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| mkoderer | I think we should merge it and fix the nits later | 17:13 |
| sdague | I'm ok with that | 17:14 |
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| sdague | let's give people till end of day to raise objections | 17:14 |
| dkranz | So it has three +1 and just needs some +2 | 17:14 |
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| sdague | I'll take a look this afternoon | 17:14 |
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| mkoderer | sdague: great | 17:14 |
| sdague | if there are none, I say we merge it | 17:14 |
| dkranz | sdague: Thanks | 17:14 |
| sdague | and fix the rest in tree | 17:14 |
| mtreinish | mkoderer: yeah I've been meaning to take a closer look at it. The only concern I had is with the jsonschema being in .py files | 17:14 |
| mtreinish | why not just make it a .json file? | 17:15 |
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| dkranz | mtreinish: The problem is that the tests have to reference a schema by name | 17:15 |
| sdague | yeh, that is the one cleanup I'd kind of like first | 17:15 |
| mkoderer | that was dkranz idea ;) | 17:15 |
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| dkranz | sdague: The json was moved to separate files | 17:15 |
| sdague | dkranz: use descriptive file names | 17:15 |
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| dkranz | sdague: You mean a separate file for each schema? | 17:16 |
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| sdague | yeh, I'd still rather they be real json. | 17:16 |
| sdague | dkranz: sure | 17:16 |
| sdague | whatever makes sense | 17:16 |
| dkranz | sdague: I didn't realize you were thinking of hundreds of new files for thies | 17:16 |
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| sdague | Also if they are real json, they are much more easily syncable from nova | 17:17 |
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| mtreinish | dkranz: yeah if we eventually have an automated method for generating them then it isn't a big deal | 17:17 |
| mkoderer | sdague: ok well then let's move it | 17:17 |
| sdague | oh, actually they aren't | 17:17 |
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| sdague | well, I think we should get to real json as separate files anyway :) | 17:17 |
| sdague | so if you guys make that change, I'm +2, and we do the rest in tree | 17:18 |
| dkranz | sdague: I don't object, just want to make sure we accept having a separate file for each item at api.openstack.org | 17:18 |
| sdague | dkranz: yep | 17:18 |
| dkranz | sdague: ok, I'm in | 17:18 |
| rahmu | and are each of these files written manually or autogenerated? | 17:18 |
| mkoderer | ok, I think I will fix the little nits right away and push it tomorrow | 17:18 |
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| dkranz | rahmu: Manually, at least for now. From what would you generate them? | 17:19 |
| mtreinish | rahmu: right now they're manual but eventually there will be a script to manually create them | 17:19 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: I still don't understand from what you could generate them | 17:19 |
| rahmu | okay, I saw mention of syncing from nova, and didn't understand | 17:19 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: They are the source from which other interesting things could be generated | 17:20 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: But it would be better if they were defined in projects rather than tempest | 17:20 |
| mkoderer | I don't think that you can generate them completely | 17:20 |
| sdague | dkranz: you should be able to reuse a big part of the validation schema from nova, no? | 17:20 |
| sdague | for the pieces that are done there | 17:20 |
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| dkranz | sdague: maybe, but I am not convinced. I would say it should really be the other way around | 17:21 |
| sdague | I realize that today the efforts are pretty discreet | 17:21 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: if the schema is queriable then all the details can be queried from nova | 17:21 |
| sdague | dkranz: right the only tempest specific pieces would be the logic to go after interesting boundaries, right? | 17:21 |
| mkoderer | mtreinish: I don't think that you get all the needed details | 17:21 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: Our schema has more information, containing what is in nova as a subset | 17:21 |
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| sdague | dkranz: ok, so we definitely need to figure out how to converge those more, but we can do that in tree | 17:22 |
| sdague | I accept this is a good starting point | 17:22 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: The nova methodology is flawed because it did non consider all the use cases for schema | 17:22 |
| mkoderer | such as expected result code for malicious input | 17:22 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: I'm looking at it, you have: name, method, url, and the json schema in the files | 17:22 |
| sdague | dkranz: ok, so lets figure out how to get that handled on the nova side as well | 17:22 |
| dkranz | sdague: great | 17:22 |
| mkoderer | ok | 17:22 |
| mtreinish | if the schema is queriable what can't be done with a script? | 17:22 |
| dkranz | sdague: Of course the other zillion apis have nothing at all | 17:22 |
| sdague | because nova will need to be the authority on their API | 17:22 |
| sdague | dkranz: agreed | 17:23 |
| sdague | but at least with nova we should try to find a way to leverage the work over there | 17:23 |
| sdague | then hopefully other interfaces will follow | 17:23 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: It is not script or no script, just that the nova schema just describes payload | 17:23 |
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| mkoderer | mtreinish: it doesn't care about result codes | 17:23 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: It's not enough to generate tests | 17:23 |
| sdague | #action mkoderer to break out json schemas into .json files | 17:23 |
| mkoderer | sdague: ok cool | 17:24 |
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| dkranz | mtreinish: They simply did not consider the more general use cases for schemas | 17:24 |
| sdague | ok, I think we can move on :) lets get the change, get this landed, realize we're going to need summit time to work out some of the details on schema reuse | 17:24 |
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| dkranz | sdague: yes | 17:24 |
| mkoderer | sdague: +1 | 17:24 |
| mtreinish | ok yeah that's fair | 17:24 |
| mtreinish | oh I see now it's not just the jsonschema in the dict you're adding to it | 17:25 |
| sdague | but it's definitely moving us in the right direction | 17:25 |
| sdague | progress | 17:25 |
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| sdague | similar thing.... | 17:25 |
| dkranz | sdague: The nova schema is not in files as real json :) | 17:25 |
| mkoderer | mtreinish: exactly.. | 17:25 |
| sdague | mtreinish's config patch | 17:25 |
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| giulivo | sorry guys a question from an outsider, when you say that nova will be an authority over the other apis, it means we expect to continue to have facilities in the nova api to create resources of other type (like networks or images), and not to strip it from nova, is that correct_ | 17:25 |
| mtreinish | ok well I've got a quick status update on the config bp | 17:25 |
| sdague | please take a look, because it does a ton of clean up | 17:25 |
| mtreinish | oh sdague beat me to it | 17:25 |
| mtreinish | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/tempest+branch:master+topic:bp/config-cleanup,n,z | 17:26 |
| sdague | and I'd like some eyes on it to make sure it's fine, then probably squash and bulk merge it | 17:26 |
| mtreinish | I have one more patch on top to add | 17:26 |
| dkranz | giulivo: NO, it has nothing to do with that. | 17:26 |
| sdague | mtreinish: is that the patch that finally removes all the self.config assignments? | 17:26 |
| mtreinish | I'm holding off because of rebase complications because masayukig approved some | 17:26 |
| giulivo | ok so I must have missed something, sorry | 17:26 |
| sdague | I hadn't see them yet | 17:27 |
| dkranz | giulivo: Just that the api schema should be defined in a project, not in tempest ideally | 17:27 |
| mtreinish | sdague: yeah | 17:27 |
| mtreinish | it removes the references from manager.py and test.py | 17:27 |
| sdague | honestly, unless there is an objection, I'm just going to +A that through once it looks like it works | 17:27 |
| sdague | because it's going to be a rebase monstrosity | 17:27 |
| sdague | and I'd rather spend our time on useful things, not rebase chasing that series | 17:28 |
| mtreinish | sdague: yeah well if I push things now the sha1's on the ones in the queue will change because there is already some of that | 17:28 |
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| mtreinish | I was trying to make things manageable I hate giant patches | 17:28 |
| mtreinish | ok I don't have anything else on this | 17:29 |
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| mtreinish | let move to the next topic | 17:29 |
| sdague | mtreinish: get a working top patch, then we can figure out how to best get this in | 17:29 |
| mtreinish | sdague: ok | 17:29 |
| mtreinish | #topic Neutron testing | 17:29 |
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| mlavalle | Hi | 17:30 |
| mtreinish | mlavalle, salv-orlando: you around? | 17:30 |
| mtreinish | are there any updates on neutron testing? | 17:30 |
| mlavalle | api tests development is going well | 17:30 |
| mlavalle | we now have a community of debs actively engaged | 17:30 |
| mlavalle | devs ^^^ | 17:30 |
| mlavalle | and I have been doing a lot of code reviews | 17:31 |
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| sdague | mlavalle: nice job | 17:31 |
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| sdague | is there any understanding on why the isolated jobs remain at a really high failure rate? | 17:31 |
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| salv-orlando | mtreinish: the patches are still waiting for the neutron gate to get back to a point where we can merge anything | 17:31 |
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| mlavalle | I haven't worked on that, but salv-orlando might have insight | 17:31 |
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| mtreinish | sdague: I thought that was the kernel namespace bug | 17:32 |
| mtreinish | salv-orlando: which patches? | 17:32 |
| salv-orlando | the patches for parallel testing | 17:32 |
| salv-orlando | and for enabling full isolation | 17:32 |
| salv-orlando | but since we are stuck on this kernel bug we can't make any progress until that is solved. | 17:33 |
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| sdague | salv-orlando: does that really account for all the fails? | 17:33 |
| sdague | I know that's an impact | 17:33 |
| sdague | but I was curious if it was the complete problem, or just one of a couple | 17:33 |
| salv-orlando | sdague: not all the fails. Bug 1253896 astir lurks. But bug 1273386 is a lot more frequent | 17:34 |
| sdague | also, any word on the new kernel ? | 17:34 |
| sdague | and if that looks stable enough to use more broadly | 17:34 |
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| salv-orlando | sdague: we see the failure that too. And that's bad. | 17:34 |
| sdague | ok | 17:34 |
| sdague | yep, so at least we know that's not the answer | 17:34 |
| mtreinish | sdague: I saw patches, from russellb I think, adding it to nodepool | 17:34 |
| salv-orlando | mtreinish: experimental jobs now run on 3.11 | 17:35 |
| sdague | right, I wanted to know if we had enough data to sort it if it fixed | 17:35 |
| mtreinish | salv-orlando: ok cool | 17:35 |
| sdague | and it sounds like we do not | 17:35 |
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| sdague | or we do have enough data.... and it did not | 17:35 |
| salv-orlando | yes sdague: we hit the bug at the 3rd recheck attempt | 17:36 |
| sdague | ok | 17:36 |
| afazekas | BTE anybody else see similar issues: https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1274121 | 17:36 |
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| russellb | salv-orlando: any need to keep the test nodes with 3.11? | 17:36 |
| giulivo | I wonder if there are plans to upgrade later this year to the new LTS, current ubuntu is preventing other stuff from being tested too | 17:36 |
| salv-orlando | afazekas: first time i see that failure | 17:37 |
| sdague | giulivo: so I'm sure the 14.04 test story will be a Juno topic | 17:37 |
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| sdague | ok, probably worth moving on | 17:38 |
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| salv-orlando | russellb: it might be worth keeping them for a while, but since the stack trace is exactly the same I guess there's little we can do. | 17:38 |
| salv-orlando | Actually.. I would try to push back 3.2.0-57 in experimental nodepool | 17:38 |
| sdague | salv-orlando: that's a good idea | 17:38 |
| sdague | because the other possibility is this existed a lot longer than we realized, and we just didn't have the tooling to see it | 17:39 |
| giulivo | sdague, I'll try harder to join this time | 17:39 |
| salv-orlando | because internally I've been unable to reproduce either on 3.2.0-57 and 3.2.0-58 but going back in time the first time we saw this issue it was with kernel-3.2.0-54 | 17:39 |
| sdague | yeh, I expect this may be a case of a problem that we didn't know we had until recently, and would explain overall neutron gate stability | 17:40 |
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| sdague | giulivo: cool | 17:40 |
| sdague | mtreinish: ok, what's next? :) | 17:40 |
| sdague | actually, before that, who's volunteering to handle moving the experimental kernel? | 17:40 |
| mtreinish | #topic Bugs | 17:40 |
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| sdague | let's make sure we get a volunteer on that | 17:40 |
| mtreinish | oh what's the fancy undo command? | 17:40 |
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| sdague | #info need volunteer to put experimental nodepool on 3.2.0-57 kernel | 17:41 |
| sdague | ok, I guess we move on | 17:41 |
| mtreinish | ok | 17:42 |
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| mtreinish | so does anyone have any bugs that need attention | 17:42 |
| NithyaG__ | Hi, I have a query on Nova tests. I would like to know if its a good idea to get a few additional tests on live migration added, though its only single node deployment in gate as of today, it will be good to build the test repository. I have raised a few bugs today for adding test cases. (both API and scenario tests) | 17:42 |
| mtreinish | or are there any critical bugs not getting any attention | 17:42 |
| sdague | NithyaG__: so the problem is we don't really have any way to validate them | 17:42 |
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| sdague | guess no one needs bug attention | 17:44 |
| sdague | moving on :) | 17:44 |
| andreaf | sdague: how's the work on multinode gate proceeding? | 17:44 |
| mtreinish | ok then let's move on | 17:44 |
| sdague | anderstj: no one is working on it | 17:44 |
| sdague | andreaf: that should have been | 17:44 |
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| andreaf | sdague: oh I see | 17:44 |
| dkranz | sdague: Is there a description of the issues with multinode anywhere? | 17:44 |
| dkranz | sdague: Or some unimplemented blueprint or plan? | 17:44 |
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| andreaf | andreaf: we already have a few live migration and resize tests in | 17:44 |
| sdague | dkranz: not that I know of, no one has ever taken that blueprint as their primary task | 17:45 |
| andreaf | sdague: I meant | 17:45 |
| sdague | andreaf: so resize we can do in the gate | 17:45 |
| dkranz | sdague: ok, I get it | 17:45 |
| sdague | because you can resize to yourself | 17:45 |
| sdague | we added a flag to nova to let that happen in the gate | 17:45 |
| mtreinish | andreaf: I've never run live migration and I've never heard of anyone using it | 17:45 |
| mtreinish | I'm sure the code has a lot of bit rot | 17:46 |
| mtreinish | since it doesn't get run in the gate | 17:46 |
| andreaf | sdague: oh, ok | 17:46 |
| mtreinish | ok we can save this for later if there is anything else on it | 17:46 |
| sdague | yep | 17:46 |
| mtreinish | #topic Critical Reviews | 17:46 |
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| mtreinish | does anyone have any reviews that they would like to bring up? | 17:46 |
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| sdague | only the ones we talked about in blueprints | 17:47 |
| mtreinish | yeah I wasn't going to bring those up again | 17:47 |
| mtreinish | I guess there aren't any others then | 17:48 |
| mlavalle | mtreinish: over the weekend I will put together a list of Neutron api tests that need core reviewers a ttention. I will send it to the ML | 17:48 |
| sdague | sounds great | 17:48 |
| afazekas | may be I missed the blueprint parts, but this https://review.openstack.org/#/c/65311/ definitely should get more ayes | 17:48 |
| mtreinish | mlavalle: ok sounds good. But I'm hesitant to merge anything until the neutron gate is in a better state though | 17:48 |
| sdague | also, given the long run times due to the concurency drop | 17:48 |
| sdague | please keep an eye on new tests that take a long time, we shouldn't be adding them right now | 17:48 |
| rahmu | it would be great to get some input on this one: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/62887/ We'd like to know how to avoid hardcoding the projects' names | 17:49 |
| sdague | hopefully some nova fixes will go in and let us run faster again, but until then, lets not kill ourselves too hard | 17:49 |
| dkranz | sdague: So what about a test that takes 5s? | 17:49 |
| mtreinish | #action sdague to send an email to list about test run time and reviewing | 17:49 |
| andreaf | afazekas: thanks yes I mentioned that during the bp part | 17:49 |
| mlavalle | ok, I'll be careful with that. I'll focus on api tests that don't take long | 17:49 |
| sdague | dkranz: 5s isn't troubly to me | 17:49 |
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| sdague | 30s is | 17:49 |
| dkranz | sdague: ok, reasonable | 17:49 |
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| sdague | afazekas: we talked about 65311 previously | 17:50 |
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| mtreinish | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/62887/ | 17:50 |
| dkranz | sdague: I am actually suspicious that our setup time is getting large and could be improved | 17:50 |
| mtreinish | rahmu: I wonder if that should really be a bp instead | 17:50 |
| dkranz | sdague: The sequential output of tests that do almost nothing is quite slow | 17:50 |
| rahmu | mtreinish: that's the kind of attention this patch also needs :) | 17:50 |
| giulivo | well I've one which surely is going to take time but it's the first and only test for this feature I think: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/67616/ | 17:51 |
| dkranz | sdague: I am going to look at that | 17:51 |
| sdague | dkranz: so I'm actually working on something with lifeless's help that I think makes it a little easier to see what's going on | 17:51 |
| sdague | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/70111/ | 17:51 |
| mtreinish | giulivo: yeah that will add some run time probably :) | 17:51 |
| sdague | oh, on that front, the basic ops test | 17:52 |
| sdague | that we run on 3 images | 17:52 |
| sdague | why do we do that again? | 17:52 |
| giulivo | mtreinish, I can remove the gate tag but we didn't have anything about backups so ... | 17:52 |
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| mtreinish | giulivo: removing the gate tag won't do anything actually | 17:52 |
| dkranz | sdague: I will poke around some on these issues. It has been a while since we looked at such things | 17:52 |
| giulivo | sorry yeah , add slow | 17:52 |
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| mtreinish | sdague: it was a feature add recently for running with different image types which in the gate really isn't that useful | 17:53 |
| sdague | right, I see the poc value | 17:53 |
| sdague | but in the gate, I think we should turn that off | 17:53 |
| mtreinish | I think andreaf made it configurable | 17:53 |
| sdague | it's not really catching anything, and just takes up time | 17:54 |
| mtreinish | so we should just use it for one image type | 17:54 |
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| sdague | I was also wondering about the loader | 17:54 |
| sdague | so where we skip tests | 17:54 |
| sdague | skip whole classes | 17:54 |
| andreaf | mtreinsh, sdague: yes it is configurable which images and which flavours | 17:54 |
| sdague | is it possible to make the load just not register those classes? | 17:54 |
| sdague | andreaf: ok, could you propose something which defaults it back to only 1? | 17:55 |
| andreaf | sdague: ok will do | 17:55 |
| sdague | thank you | 17:55 |
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| sdague | mtreinish: thoughts on doing class level skip by the loader? | 17:55 |
| mtreinish | sdague: I don't think that's how skip works. I think it just catches the exception and goes from there. I have to double check | 17:55 |
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| sdague | mtreinish: I know that's not how skip works | 17:56 |
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| mtreinish | sdague: what exactly are you proposing? | 17:56 |
| mtreinish | sdague: how about we save the discussion for after the meeting | 17:57 |
| mtreinish | because we're down to ~3 min? | 17:57 |
| sdague | is it possible to have test_discover not discover a set of classes if we decorate them correctly | 17:57 |
| sdague | sure | 17:57 |
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| mtreinish | sdague: oh I'm not sure on that, maybe | 17:58 |
| sdague | it would give us less chance of completely unbalancing testr | 17:58 |
| giulivo | I have this crazy idea that we should slowly drop from nova api what should be done using $service api and as a consequence, remove duplicated tests | 17:58 |
| mtreinish | we can set patterns to match | 17:58 |
| mtreinish | so maybe we can play games there | 17:58 |
| sdague | yep | 17:58 |
| sdague | ok, worth exploring | 17:58 |
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| sdague | anything else from folks? | 17:59 |
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| mtreinish | ok I guess we'll end here since we're out of time | 17:59 |
| mtreinish | thanks everyone | 17:59 |
| sdague | ack | 17:59 |
| sdague | thanks everyone | 17:59 |
| mtreinish | #endmeeting | 17:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jan 30 17:59:59 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2014/qa.2014-01-30-17.00.html | 18:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2014/qa.2014-01-30-17.00.txt | 18:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2014/qa.2014-01-30-17.00.log.html | 18:00 |
| NithyaG__ | thanks everyine | 18:00 |
| rahmu | bye everyone thanks | 18:00 |
| NithyaG__ | thanks | 18:00 |
| bdpayne | #startmeeting OpenStack Security Group | 18:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jan 30 18:00:19 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is bdpayne. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_security_group' | 18:00 |
| bdpayne | Hi security people :-) | 18:00 |
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| bdpayne | #topic Roll Call | 18:00 |
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| bknudson | hi | 18:00 |
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| bdpayne | o/ | 18:01 |
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| bdpayne | While we are waiting for a few others to join in... I wanted to take a moment to mention that we have been doing these OSSG meetings for 1 year now | 18:01 |
| bdpayne | Just passed 1 year last week | 18:01 |
| bdpayne | Lots have happened in that short time! | 18:02 |
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| bknudson | this project sure seems to have a lot of people looking for vulnerabilities | 18:02 |
| bdpayne | this project? | 18:03 |
| bdpayne | OSSG? | 18:03 |
| bknudson | the whole openstack project | 18:03 |
| bdpayne | ahh | 18:03 |
| bdpayne | that's a good thing | 18:03 |
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| hyakuhei | Hey, here. sorry. | 18:03 |
| bdpayne | hi there! | 18:04 |
| hyakuhei | :D | 18:04 |
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| bdpayne | #topic Today's Agenda | 18:04 |
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| bpb | hi | 18:04 |
| bdpayne | What would people like to discuss today? | 18:04 |
| shohel | hi bryan | 18:04 |
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| bdpayne | No topics for discussion? | 18:05 |
| bdpayne | Ok, I'd like to review status of OSSNs | 18:05 |
| nkinder | We still need to figure out summit talks. | 18:05 |
| bdpayne | And look at how well we are addressing security review requests | 18:05 |
| hyakuhei | We need moar! | 18:05 |
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| bdpayne | Yes, I have been completely negligent on the summit talk issue | 18:06 |
| bdpayne | What is the deadline for summit talks again? | 18:06 |
| nkinder | 2/14 | 18:06 |
| bdpayne | ok, I *will* get that discussion going this week | 18:06 |
| hyakuhei | :) | 18:06 |
| * bdpayne needs to clone himself | 18:06 | |
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| bdpayne | #topic OSSN | 18:07 |
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| bdpayne | hyakuhei what's the latest on the OSSN front? | 18:07 |
| bdpayne | any more in the queue? | 18:07 |
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| bdpayne | I ran into an issue this week where it is all too easy to configure keystone to log db sql statements... which results in password hashes getting logs... may be a useful OSSN | 18:08 |
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| bdpayne | anyone else have comments on OSSNs? | 18:09 |
| bdpayne | quiet group today | 18:09 |
| bdpayne | very well then, I'll file a bug for my idea separately | 18:10 |
| bknudson | how do you get keystone to log db sql statements? | 18:10 |
| bdpayne | #topic Security Reviews | 18:10 |
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| bdpayne | bknudson it is through the sqlalchemy logging options | 18:10 |
| bknudson | ok | 18:10 |
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| hyakuhei | sorry was afk. juggling calls. | 18:11 |
| bdpayne | #topic Back to OSSN | 18:11 |
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| bdpayne | ok, hyakuhei I'll give you a second chance | 18:11 |
| bdpayne | anything on OSSN to report? | 18:11 |
| hyakuhei | I don't think we have much at all in the queue atm | 18:11 |
| hyakuhei | Process for refining still requires me and nkinder to get together. | 18:11 |
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| hyakuhei | We still have the vnc one but that's it | 18:12 |
| bdpayne | there is the one issue that hyakuhei and I have been in discussion with the VMT on... but I think that's still embargoed so I won't mention it here | 18:12 |
| hyakuhei | I like the idea of moving to gerrit for this, having stuff in git, commenting etc. | 18:12 |
| bdpayne | likely to result in an OSSN, I think | 18:12 |
| hyakuhei | Yes. Thats a mess. | 18:12 |
| bdpayne | who's taking to lead on getting things setup on gerrit? | 18:12 |
| bdpayne | and git | 18:13 |
| hyakuhei | I'd like for it to be someone that isn't me... | 18:13 |
| bdpayne | nkinder? | 18:13 |
| hyakuhei | I shouldn't think it'll be too hard. We've got a few PTLs around here, I'm sure I can bug some of them for help. | 18:13 |
| bdpayne | sure, we just need someone to take ownership of that | 18:14 |
| bdpayne | otherwise it won't happen | 18:14 |
| nkinder | Yes, this is on my plate. | 18:14 |
| bdpayne | ah, great | 18:14 |
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| nkinder | Been sick this week | 18:14 |
| bdpayne | ahh, sorry to hear that | 18:14 |
| bdpayne | ok, so nkinder is on it | 18:14 |
| nkinder | yep | 18:14 |
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| bdpayne | anything else on OSSNs? | 18:14 |
| bdpayne | ok, pushing ahead... | 18:15 |
| hyakuhei | Get less sick soon nkinder | 18:15 |
| bdpayne | #topic Security Reviews | 18:15 |
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| bdpayne | This topics has two points | 18:15 |
| hyakuhei | I'll send an email around about the security review tomorrow | 18:15 |
| bdpayne | 1) Ironic security review | 18:15 |
| bdpayne | is this happening? | 18:15 |
| bdpayne | hyakuhei what is the security review tomorrow? | 18:15 |
| hyakuhei | Introducing ironic people and a few others to the OSSG, suggesting possible approaches in a general getting the ball moving sort of way. | 18:15 |
| hyakuhei | bdpayne: no, I'll actually do some work on starting it tomorrow | 18:16 |
| bdpayne | gotcha... so yeah, please do send out that email | 18:16 |
| bdpayne | a little more advance notice is always nice, when possible ;-) | 18:16 |
| bdpayne | 2) the other issue on my mind is the general code security reviews | 18:16 |
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| bdpayne | Many of you are seeing the emails about security impact in a PR | 18:17 |
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| bdpayne | I'd like to track how well we are responding to those requests | 18:17 |
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| bdpayne | Is there anyone that is willing to do a little digging on that front? | 18:17 |
| hyakuhei | Yeah they're kinda clunky because we get hit with every change. | 18:17 |
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| bdpayne | Basically to look at PRs that are tagged, and see if there's reviews on them from OSSG members? | 18:17 |
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| bdpayne | ok, I think this would be valuable information to have | 18:18 |
| bdpayne | as I'd like to understand if this mechanism is working or not | 18:18 |
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| bdpayne | let's keep it in mind as a potential task for a new member | 18:18 |
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| nkinder | my guess is that a lot of them are slipping through | 18:18 |
| bdpayne | this is my guess as well | 18:19 |
| bdpayne | which brings me to my next point | 18:19 |
| bdpayne | I think it would be useful to have a person or a small team that is respondible for that process | 18:19 |
| bknudson | I do a lot of reviews in keystone... but not because of the SecurityImpact. | 18:19 |
| bdpayne | so they would track the PRs and either provide the reviews them selves or find the right person to provide that review | 18:19 |
| bdpayne | bknudson, yeah, that makes sense | 18:20 |
| hyakuhei | +1 good idea | 18:20 |
| bknudson | is the SecurityImpact review a full review or more of a quick look to see if there's a problem? | 18:20 |
| bdpayne | perhaps this is where I need to email the group and solicit some people that are willing to take this on | 18:20 |
| bdpayne | #action bdpayne to build out a security impact review team | 18:20 |
| bknudson | if it's not a full review (since we're not familiar with the code in the project), I'd think you wouldn't want to even leave a vote. | 18:20 |
| bknudson | unless you noticed a security problem. | 18:21 |
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| bdpayne | in that case, I would want the team to try to find a good person to do that review | 18:21 |
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| bdpayne | but, yes, I agress | 18:21 |
| bdpayne | #topic Open Discussion | 18:21 |
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| bdpayne | So I'd like to get an update on from the book editors | 18:21 |
| bdpayne | I haven't seen them in a while | 18:21 |
| bknudson | so there's one in nova right now... https://review.openstack.org/#/c/40467/ | 18:22 |
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| bdpayne | yeah, that one has been going through review for a long time | 18:22 |
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| bdpayne | Beyond the book, anything else that people would like to see in here in future weeks? | 18:22 |
| bknudson | 68 patch sets, wow. | 18:22 |
| bdpayne | I'd like to start pulling in the right people so that we can have the discussions needed to keep things moving forward | 18:23 |
| bdpayne | And I just want to make sure that I'm not missing important ongoing efforts | 18:23 |
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| bknudson | so if this was a security review of 40467, I'd ask if "aes-xts-plain64" was a good default cipher and 512 was a good default size for the key | 18:24 |
| bdpayne | ha | 18:25 |
| bdpayne | those would be reasonable questions | 18:25 |
| bknudson | are those the kind of things you'd expect of a security review? (I don't know the answer to either) | 18:25 |
| bdpayne | ideally, I'd want a security reviewer to find stuff like that and suggest the right options | 18:25 |
| bdpayne | I'd also want them to look for general security coding issues | 18:25 |
| bdpayne | like shelling out, input validation, etc | 18:26 |
| bdpayne | ok, sounds like there's not much more on people's minds today | 18:26 |
| bdpayne | that's all that I have for today | 18:26 |
| bdpayne | #endmeeting | 18:26 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jan 30 18:26:54 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:26 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_security_group/2014/openstack_security_group.2014-01-30-18.00.html | 18:26 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_security_group/2014/openstack_security_group.2014-01-30-18.00.txt | 18:26 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_security_group/2014/openstack_security_group.2014-01-30-18.00.log.html | 18:26 |
| bknudson | thanks! | 18:27 |
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| bknudson | bdpayne: do you know of good resources where we could go to learn about things like "aes-xts-plain64" cipher? | 18:27 |
| bdpayne | Generally it's best to talk with someone who understands crypto | 18:28 |
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| bdpayne | hyakuhei and I are both sort of in that camp | 18:28 |
| bdpayne | there are books and such | 18:28 |
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| bdpayne | but so much history and best practices knowledge that isn't neatly captured in any one place(es) | 18:28 |
| nkinder | thanks guys! | 18:29 |
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| harlowja | #start-meeting state-management | 20:00 |
| harlowja | #startmeeting state-management | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jan 30 20:00:43 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is harlowja. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'state_management' | 20:00 |
| harlowja | hi folks! | 20:01 |
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| akarpinska1 | hi | 20:01 |
| haruka_ | hi | 20:01 |
| iv_m | hi hi | 20:02 |
| harlowja | hi hi | 20:02 |
| harlowja | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/StateManagement#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 20:02 |
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| harlowja | #topic last-action-items | 20:02 |
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| harlowja | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_state_management/2014/openstack_state_management.2014-01-23-19.59.html | 20:03 |
| iv_m | oh my | 20:03 |
| harlowja | soooo zookeeper should now be running on the testing slaves, due to https://review.openstack.org/#/c/70022/ | 20:03 |
| harlowja | i'm doing some verification to see if it really is, supposedly is :-P | 20:04 |
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| harlowja | if not i'll bug infra to see what its doing | 20:04 |
| harlowja | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/70017/ will use this | 20:04 |
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| harlowja | although marco here stated we should use an ENV variable to know if zookeper should be used instead of probing localhost | 20:05 |
| harlowja | that seems to make sense... | 20:05 |
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| harlowja | some env variable set by jenkins in the test environemtn to know whats avaialble | 20:05 |
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| changbl | hi guys | 20:05 |
| harlowja | hi changbl | 20:05 |
| harlowja | just was discussing my action item about zookeeper | 20:06 |
| changbl | harlowja, i am reading the logs | 20:06 |
| harlowja | retried test thats supposed to find it last night, it didn't seem to run, so gonna investigate more | 20:06 |
| changbl | move one | 20:06 |
| changbl | move on | 20:06 |
| harlowja | k | 20:06 |
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| harlowja | also other one i had was venv conf changes, that all got resolved after a little bumps around which ones we were using | 20:06 |
| * iv_m totally forgout about our action item, moves to next week | 20:06 | |
| iv_m | #action iv_m akarpinska1 wiki writeup on reversion strategies | 20:06 |
| harlowja | iv_m woot :) | 20:06 |
| harlowja | i think https://bugs.launchpad.net/taskflow/+bug/1273850 is still happening, but shouldn't be hard to fix | 20:07 |
| harlowja | if anyone wants to figure that one out, much appreciated :) | 20:07 |
| harlowja | iv_m i think put some comments up on that also | 20:07 |
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| akarpinska1 | I think, I'll finish the last part of reversion strategies soon and then will write some examples and wiki | 20:07 |
| harlowja | akarpinska1 great, that will help a bunch (for me especially) | 20:08 |
| iv_m | akarpinska1: cool | 20:08 |
| harlowja | akarpinska1 are u doing ok :-/ | 20:08 |
| harlowja | ukraine ?? | 20:08 |
| harlowja | :( | 20:08 |
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| akarpinska1 | but my cinder patch has been merged today. I want to put a new one to review and then return to taskflow, maybe next week | 20:09 |
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| harlowja | akarpinska1 ++++++ | 20:09 |
| harlowja | awesome!!! | 20:09 |
| akarpinska1 | I'm fine, everything ok in Kharkov | 20:09 |
| harlowja | finnally | 20:09 |
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| harlowja | akarpinska1 good, phew, hopefully ukraine calms down (but who knows) | 20:10 |
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| harlowja | hmmm, and i had one other action item, not sure what 'harlowja writeup little wiki with a similar explanation as checkpoint/reversion/controller strategies' was about, lol | 20:11 |
| harlowja | so i'll look into what the heck i was supposed to do :-P | 20:11 |
| harlowja | #action harlowja look into what u were supposed to do | 20:11 |
| harlowja | ha | 20:11 |
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| harlowja | #topic 0.2 release timeframe/timeline/features | 20:12 |
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| harlowja | sooo this is an interesting one | 20:12 |
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| harlowja | so let me just list what i know about for 0.2 | 20:13 |
| harlowja | 1. reverting/retry strategy work | 20:13 |
| harlowja | 2. zookeeper work (jobboard + logbook backend) | 20:13 |
| harlowja | 3. kombu engine | 20:14 |
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| harlowja | those are the big 3 that are currently being reviewed and i think are nearly all ready to go | 20:14 |
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| harlowja | + other bugs (like the storage locking one) | 20:14 |
| harlowja | what do people think is a good timeline to get all those reviews in and done? | 20:15 |
| harlowja | next week? | 20:15 |
| harlowja | *just needs some focused review time imho | 20:15 |
| changbl | 2 is fine with me for next week | 20:15 |
| akarpinska1 | maybe 2-3 weeks, to test it well and write docs | 20:15 |
| iv_m | i don't think we'll manage to do it next week, 2-3 weeks look more reasonable to me | 20:15 |
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| iv_m | but i'll try nevertheless;) | 20:16 |
| harlowja | ok, iv_m that seems fine :) | 20:16 |
| harlowja | akarpinska1 sounds great, the doc part i think will be the real great addition, to make sure people understand the concept :) | 20:17 |
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| harlowja | cause i know i'm a little confused by #1 :) | 20:17 |
| harlowja | more docs the better | 20:17 |
| harlowja | changbl u ok with doing those zookeeper reviews when u get time, seem manageable? | 20:18 |
| changbl | yes, harlowja | 20:18 |
| harlowja | great | 20:18 |
| akarpinska1 | maybe it became more clear with example | 20:18 |
| harlowja | akarpinska1 i think that will help :) | 20:18 |
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| harlowja | ok, lets aim for 2 weeks and see what it gets us, probably when we release we (or me) can write up little ML post that says new features and new additions... | 20:19 |
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| harlowja | let people know and all that | 20:19 |
| haruka_ | :) | 20:19 |
| harlowja | #action iv_m akarpinska1 changbl harlowja try to make 0.2 happen in 2 weeks :) | 20:20 |
| changbl | yes, sir:) | 20:20 |
| harlowja | haha | 20:20 |
| harlowja | thx u sir | 20:20 |
| iv_m | ++) | 20:20 |
| harlowja | k, cool, so next bigger topic | 20:20 |
| harlowja | #topic oslo-joining-part-3 | 20:20 |
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| harlowja | or is it part 4, i'm not sure, lol | 20:20 |
| harlowja | so i think everyone is aware of this kind of question, to join oslo or not | 20:21 |
| iv_m | ok, to sum up, when we join to oslo | 20:21 |
| iv_m | - we get cool repo url | 20:21 |
| iv_m | - there will be few organizational changes | 20:21 |
| iv_m | - we get more visibility in community | 20:21 |
| iv_m | - everything else stays pretty much the same | 20:21 |
| iv_m | am i missing something? | 20:21 |
| harlowja | afaik yes | 20:21 |
| harlowja | and we help guide the oslo community into what this means | 20:22 |
| harlowja | since it appears not to be well known really | 20:22 |
| harlowja | *ie help establish the ground-rules | 20:22 |
| harlowja | so not missing anything else i think iv_m (except the uncertainty part) | 20:22 |
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| harlowja | so maybe we can have a vote, i think most core people are here, does that seem ok? | 20:24 |
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| changbl | yes | 20:24 |
| harlowja | #startvote Should we join oslo and see what happens? Yes, No, Maybe | 20:24 |
| openstack | Begin voting on: Should we join oslo and see what happens? Valid vote options are Yes, No, Maybe. | 20:24 |
| openstack | Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. | 20:24 |
| harlowja | #vote yes | 20:24 |
| changbl | #vote yes | 20:24 |
| iv_m | #vote Yes | 20:25 |
| haruka_ | #vote yes | 20:25 |
| akarpinska1 | #vote maybe | 20:25 |
| iv_m | at least out of curiosity | 20:25 |
| harlowja | *feel free to vote as u want, no pressure | 20:25 |
| harlowja | i will not penalize anyone for voting in there own way :) | 20:25 |
| changbl | :) | 20:26 |
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| harlowja | ok, anyone else around that wants to vote? | 20:26 |
| * harlowja waits a few just incase | 20:27 | |
| iv_m | harlowja: final countdown? | 20:27 |
| harlowja | #showvote | 20:27 |
| openstack | Maybe (1): akarpinska1 | 20:27 |
| akarpinska1 | I'm not too familiar with oslo and I can't make a decision :( | 20:27 |
| openstack | Yes (4): iv_m, harlowja, haruka_, changbl | 20:27 |
| harlowja | akarpinska1 sure, and thats fine to | 20:27 |
| harlowja | 5 | 20:27 |
| harlowja | 4 | 20:28 |
| harlowja | 3 | 20:28 |
| harlowja | 2 | 20:28 |
| harlowja | 1 | 20:28 |
| harlowja | beep | 20:28 |
| harlowja | #endvote | 20:28 |
| openstack | Voted on "Should we join oslo and see what happens?" Results are | 20:28 |
| openstack | Maybe (1): akarpinska1 | 20:28 |
| openstack | Yes (4): iv_m, harlowja, haruka_, changbl | 20:28 |
| harlowja | ok, so i'll start talking with dhellmann about what the next steps are | 20:28 |
| iv_m | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Oslo | 20:28 |
| harlowja | *likely infra changes (don't want to overload them either) | 20:28 |
| iv_m | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/oslo-taskflow | 20:28 |
| akarpinska1 | thanks | 20:29 |
| iv_m | akarpinska1: ^^ | 20:29 |
| akarpinska1 | I worked only with oslo.messaging and I don't like it :( | 20:29 |
| harlowja | understandable | 20:29 |
| harlowja | we just have to make sure we don't become like that :) | 20:29 |
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| harlowja | aka, we control our own destiny still | 20:30 |
| iv_m | so, oslo will have at least one library we like | 20:30 |
| iv_m | lol | 20:30 |
| harlowja | pbr | 20:30 |
| harlowja | hacking :-P | 20:30 |
| harlowja | and taskflow | 20:30 |
| harlowja | woot | 20:30 |
| harlowja | maybe oslo.messaging someday | 20:30 |
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| iv_m | i was just kidding of course | 20:31 |
| harlowja | #action harlowja work with dhellmann to figure out next steps, and unless something drastically is bad, move forward here with oslo and see what happens | 20:31 |
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| changbl | +1 harlowja | 20:32 |
| harlowja | cool, hopefully everything turns out ok, if something seems wrong, i'll let u all know | 20:32 |
| harlowja | *hopes nothing seems wrong* | 20:32 |
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| harlowja | #topic reviews-feedback-more-reviews | 20:33 |
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| harlowja | so any reviews that need discussion, or integration reviews that need discussion (or just in general any review) | 20:34 |
| harlowja | i have one at least, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/69507/ | 20:34 |
| harlowja | iv_m did u investigate the lock-less solution, would be interested in hearing that | 20:34 |
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| harlowja | *others feel free to bring up any reviews u have also | 20:34 |
| harlowja | congrats to akarpinska1 for another cinder integration review done :) | 20:35 |
| haruka_ | not gerrit is OK? | 20:35 |
| changbl | +1 akarpinska1 | 20:35 |
| harlowja | haruka_ ? | 20:35 |
| haruka_ | I commented at etherpad a little bit.Would you read it later? https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cinder-taskflow-persistence | 20:36 |
| harlowja | ah, great haruka_ will look at | 20:36 |
| haruka_ | thank you. | 20:36 |
| harlowja | haruka_ initial feedback, i think cinder can just create a table for taskflow, and use it, taskflow isn't connected to oslo.db, but instead has a SQLAlchemyBackend that can be configured to use whatever cinder table they want (or its own db) | 20:37 |
| harlowja | its also possible that we can extend SQLAlchemyBackend to take in a pre-existing 'engine' that oslo.db would provide | 20:38 |
| haruka_ | oh yes. good. | 20:38 |
| harlowja | taskflow not depending on oslo.db was intentionally (oslo.db isn't a pypi library yet, the incubator version depends on oslo.confg which doesn't behave with libraries so well imho) | 20:39 |
| harlowja | i am seeing progrress in that area @ https://review.openstack.org/#/c/68684/ | 20:39 |
| harlowja | *making oslo.db better, more library like | 20:39 |
| harlowja | *no globals and such, thinks that are totally not appropriate for a library | 20:40 |
| harlowja | *things that | 20:40 |
| haruka_ | hmh . thank sfor your feedback. I think so too. | 20:40 |
| harlowja | np, i'll add some more on the etherpad | 20:40 |
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| harlowja | *some more ideas* | 20:41 |
| harlowja | any other reviews that people need looking at (etherpads welcome to), if not thats fine to :) | 20:41 |
| iv_m | harlowja: i guess smth should be done to move https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/glance-snapshot-tasks forward, also i'm not sure what( | 20:41 |
| harlowja | ah | 20:41 |
| harlowja | that one | 20:41 |
| harlowja | hmmm | 20:42 |
| harlowja | do u know if alex is working on that at all iv_m ? | 20:42 |
| harlowja | last thing i heard was the nova folks wanted a little more of a blueprint with the ideas/design/api adjustments | 20:43 |
| harlowja | *especially in regard to the virt drivers | 20:43 |
| harlowja | an idea, if alex can get some of that done, then i can help with him writeup ML email or talk with nova folks about it | 20:44 |
| harlowja | see if we can get something to happen there | 20:44 |
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| harlowja | and we need to get a nova-core to make sure they understand it i think | 20:45 |
| iv_m | k, we'll se what we can do, writing some docs is our next step | 20:45 |
| harlowja | *understand the intention | 20:45 |
| harlowja | daniel berrange seems like he understands it, and i think he's nova-core so if we have some docs we can start discussion with him and see what to do | 20:46 |
| harlowja | iv_m sound ok? | 20:46 |
| iv_m | yup | 20:46 |
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| harlowja | cool | 20:47 |
| harlowja | thx for brining that up | 20:47 |
| harlowja | *bringing | 20:47 |
| * harlowja knows its not so easy to make such integration changes (takes alot of persistence) | 20:48 | |
| harlowja | just think of it like fighting a dragon or something | 20:48 |
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| harlowja | alright | 20:50 |
| harlowja | so any need for new use-cases topic?? | 20:50 |
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| harlowja | guess can just open-discuss for 10 mins | 20:50 |
| harlowja | #topic open-discuss | 20:50 |
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| harlowja | so i had a question for folks | 20:50 |
| harlowja | summit, design, speaker sessions? | 20:51 |
| harlowja | should we/me try to do another one?? | 20:51 |
| harlowja | taskflow new-hotness session or something | 20:51 |
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| iv_m | of course we should | 20:51 |
| harlowja | what should we talk about :) | 20:51 |
| harlowja | we/me | 20:51 |
| harlowja | lol | 20:51 |
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| harlowja | maybe just something to think about | 20:52 |
| harlowja | i can do another talk about taskflow session if i have to :-P | 20:52 |
| harlowja | #link v | 20:52 |
| harlowja | oops | 20:52 |
| harlowja | #link http://www.openstack.org/summit/openstack-summit-atlanta-2014/ | 20:52 |
| harlowja | i'd be neat to demo some of the remote-worker stuff | 20:53 |
| akarpinska1 | we will have a lot of new features on may | 20:53 |
| harlowja | *it'd | 20:53 |
| harlowja | akarpinska1 agreed | 20:53 |
| harlowja | issue is 'Submit your talk HERE! Hurry, the deadline to submit is February 14, 2014. ' | 20:53 |
| harlowja | so thats not design sessions but more like the video i did last time | 20:53 |
| harlowja | feb 14th not that far away | 20:54 |
| harlowja | i'll start an etherpad where we can brainstorm i guess | 20:54 |
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| harlowja | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/taskflow-atlanta-speaker-ideas | 20:55 |
| harlowja | design sessions also, think about those | 20:55 |
| harlowja | cinder persistence maybe? | 20:55 |
| harlowja | or nova | 20:56 |
| harlowja | or glance + remote works + taskflow | 20:56 |
| akarpinska1 | maybe we should ask Stas to | 20:56 |
| harlowja | agreed | 20:56 |
| harlowja | anyone that has ideas is welcome :) | 20:56 |
| akarpinska1 | prepare a techtalk about worker-based engine | 20:56 |
| harlowja | first though a little writeup | 20:57 |
| harlowja | cause speaker sessions get voted afaik | 20:57 |
| harlowja | so techtalk i think if it gets approved | 20:57 |
| harlowja | if he wants to do one anyway, thats cool to | 20:57 |
| akarpinska1 | I'm not sure if he could go to the summit, but he could help with presentation | 20:57 |
| harlowja | np | 20:58 |
| harlowja | i don't mind doing all of them | 20:58 |
| harlowja | if i have to :) | 20:58 |
| harlowja | *i'll be damn tired though, haha | 20:58 |
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| harlowja | iv_m akarpinska1 be nice to have u 2 go :) | 20:59 |
| harlowja | anyways, time almost up | 20:59 |
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| akarpinska1 | I'm not sure if I can :( but I want to go | 20:59 |
| harlowja | :) | 20:59 |
| akarpinska1 | depends on our managers | 21:00 |
| harlowja | agreed | 21:00 |
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| iv_m | akarpinska1: we'll try to ping the mighty ones | 21:00 |
| harlowja | alright #openstack-state-management for further | 21:00 |
| harlowja | #endmeeting | 21:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jan 30 21:00:19 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/state_management/2014/state_management.2014-01-30-20.00.html | 21:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/state_management/2014/state_management.2014-01-30-20.00.txt | 21:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/state_management/2014/state_management.2014-01-30-20.00.log.html | 21:00 |
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| russellb | #startmeeting nova | 21:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jan 30 21:01:09 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is russellb. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova' | 21:01 |
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| russellb | hello, everyone! | 21:01 |
| melwitt | hi | 21:01 |
| n0ano | o/ | 21:01 |
| dripton | hi | 21:01 |
| alaski | hi | 21:01 |
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| jog0 | o/ | 21:01 |
| russellb | #topic general | 21:01 |
| jaybuff | o/ | 21:01 |
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| cyeoh | hi (will be away intermittently and have to leave early) | 21:01 |
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| sdague | o/ | 21:01 |
| russellb | icehouse schedule: | 21:01 |
| russellb | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Icehouse_Release_Schedule | 21:01 |
| russellb | icehouse winding down on us | 21:02 |
| russellb | icehouse-3 deadlines for nova: | 21:02 |
| russellb | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-January/025675.html | 21:02 |
| russellb | less than 1 week before blueprints need to be approved | 21:02 |
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| dansmith | o/ | 21:02 |
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| beagles | hi | 21:02 |
| russellb | less than 3 weeks until code for blueprints must be up for review | 21:02 |
| sandywalsh | o/ | 21:03 |
| russellb | any schedule questions? | 21:03 |
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| russellb | #topic sub-teams | 21:03 |
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| russellb | let's dive into some sub-group efforts | 21:03 |
| * n0ano gantt | 21:03 | |
| russellb | n0ano: go for it | 21:03 |
| n0ano | few things | 21:03 |
| n0ano | no db scheduler - boris is making progress but the performance studies hit bottleneck unrelated to the scheduler, his team will have to solve them before then can really work on the scheduler part | 21:04 |
| jog0 | n0ano: what type of bottlenecks? | 21:04 |
| jog0 | and do we have bugs filed for 'em | 21:05 |
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| n0ano | he didn't provide details, they are still analyzing, I don't think they know where it is yet | 21:05 |
| russellb | OK, so we don't expect that for icehouse-3 then? | 21:05 |
| russellb | should we defer it? | 21:05 |
| n0ano | seems unlikely but I'd let boris make that kind of call | 21:05 |
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| russellb | boris-42: ^^^ | 21:06 |
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| russellb | ok | 21:06 |
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| russellb | saw some gantt updates this week | 21:06 |
| jog0 | +1 for defer, it would be great to have a few months running something like that before making a stable release | 21:06 |
| n0ano | code forklift to gantt - passing the unit tests, getting the patch reviewed, next step is to get it to pass the tempest integration tests | 21:06 |
| russellb | jog0: yeah, end of release cycle isn't the best time to land critically invasive bits | 21:07 |
| * melwitt novaclient (short report) | 21:07 | |
| lifeless | o/ | 21:07 |
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| russellb | n0ano: OK, get your devstack patch in? | 21:08 |
| n0ano | russellb, I just updated it this morning, I'm hopefull that's it's mergeable now | 21:08 |
| russellb | n0ano: OK, well keep up the work on it ... hopefully we can demonstrate it running by juno | 21:09 |
| n0ano | review of https://review.openstack.org/#/c/67666/ is always good | 21:09 |
| n0ano | I think that's a doable goal (with a lot of work still needed) | 21:09 |
| russellb | sdague: devstack for gantt ^ | 21:09 |
| sdague | russellb: ok, will look | 21:09 |
| russellb | k thanks! | 21:09 |
| russellb | n0ano: any other topics? | 21:09 |
| n0ano | of course, big meeting this week :-) | 21:10 |
| russellb | or anything you need? | 21:10 |
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| n0ano | some discussion on policy based scheduler, BP at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/61386/ | 21:10 |
| n0ano | looks interesting but still needs work. | 21:10 |
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| russellb | and needs to be split up | 21:11 |
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| n0ano | finally, instance groups changes are still under review, they are working on revising to make the patches palatable | 21:11 |
| russellb | n0ano: i've been wondering about those ... would love to see that make it | 21:11 |
| russellb | at the last summit, the objection was that the design got way out of control (too complicated) | 21:11 |
| jog0 | n0ano: is that for v2 and v3 or just v3? | 21:11 |
| russellb | and we wanted to see it return to much more simple approach that it had before | 21:11 |
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| n0ano | jog0, they're still trying for both v2 & v3 | 21:12 |
| n0ano | they want to split the code into 3 parts, v2, v3 and doc | 21:12 |
| jog0 | thoughts on just doing v3? | 21:12 |
| n0ano | that will help the review process but it's still complicated | 21:12 |
| n0ano | jog0, didn't go into that so don't know. | 21:12 |
| jog0 | adding more v2 API as we try to get v3 out the door seems like a distraction | 21:13 |
| jog0 | not against it per se though | 21:13 |
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| russellb | not huge amount of extra code | 21:13 |
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| russellb | definitely v3 though, v2 a bonus | 21:13 |
| n0ano | I'd push for do v3 first and then add v2 later but that's debo's call | 21:14 |
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| russellb | OK, hope we can get that in then | 21:14 |
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| russellb | melwitt: you're up | 21:15 |
| melwitt | the biweekly novaclient report 2014/1/30: | 21:15 |
| melwitt | open bugs, 141 !fix released, 84 !fix released and !fix committed | 21:15 |
| melwitt | 26 new bugs, 0 high bugs | 21:15 |
| melwitt | 12 patches up, 3 are WIP, reviews are all active | 21:15 |
| russellb | a few new ones, but not bad | 21:15 |
| russellb | anything you think needs special attention? | 21:16 |
| russellb | probably about time we had a novaclient release ... haven't done one in a while | 21:16 |
| russellb | wonder when the time is right for that | 21:16 |
| cyeoh | russellb: I was just about to ask for that | 21:16 |
| russellb | now? after icehouse-3? | 21:16 |
| russellb | it's cheap and easy to release really | 21:16 |
| cyeoh | we can now boot and do pretty much everything against the V3 API | 21:16 |
| mriedem | garyk has vm diagnostics stuff going into the client | 21:16 |
| cyeoh | so a new release would allow us to start doing scenario testing | 21:16 |
| russellb | OK | 21:16 |
| mriedem | so i'd vote after his patches land in nova/client for that blueprint | 21:16 |
| melwitt | there's this review seems straightforward, adding the client side support for rdp console https://review.openstack.org/#/c/44250/ | 21:16 |
| russellb | i told them i'd review the nova side for the rdp part | 21:17 |
| russellb | so it sounds like we'll need one just after feature freeze | 21:17 |
| russellb | but i could do one now too if that's valuable | 21:17 |
| russellb | and then another for whatever lands in the next month as we go to freeze | 21:17 |
| cyeoh | one now would be useful so we can start working on the tempest v3 api scenario tests | 21:17 |
| russellb | cyeoh: OK, i'll put that on my todo (may be tomorrow) | 21:18 |
| cyeoh | russellb: thanks! | 21:18 |
| russellb | np | 21:18 |
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| russellb | anything else on novaclient? or other sub-team stuff? | 21:18 |
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| melwitt | no, that's it. I didn't notice the nova side of the rdp hadn't been merged yet, my bad | 21:19 |
| mriedem | i had a client related question | 21:19 |
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| russellb | melwitt: np | 21:19 |
| russellb | mriedem: go for it | 21:19 |
| mriedem | this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1256119 | 21:19 |
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| mriedem | adds flavor extra spec validation | 21:19 |
| mriedem | in horizon, client and nova api | 21:19 |
| mriedem | is it normal to do that triple maintenance? | 21:19 |
| mriedem | i thought nova api validation would be enough | 21:19 |
| mriedem | let the clients handle the 400 | 21:19 |
| russellb | well, definitely in the API | 21:20 |
| russellb | the client? meh, probably not IMO | 21:20 |
| mriedem | ok, that's what i said in the reviews | 21:20 |
| mriedem | but wasn't sure | 21:20 |
| russellb | horizon, they may have good reason | 21:20 |
| mriedem | yeah, front-side validation for perf or something | 21:20 |
| mriedem | ok, that's all | 21:21 |
| russellb | performance, or just a better UI with better feedback or something | 21:21 |
| cyeoh | its pretty common in novaclient to do a bit of duplicate validation. | 21:21 |
| mriedem | cyeoh: ok, that's what i wasn't sure of, i didn't like duplicating the regex all over the place | 21:21 |
| russellb | same could be said in the CLI | 21:21 |
| cyeoh | mriedem: yea its bad when it gets out of sync. I think people probably did it because they want very specific error messages (for the CLI) | 21:22 |
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| mriedem | right | 21:22 |
| mriedem | ok, i got enough, don't mean to hold the meeting up | 21:22 |
| russellb | all good :) | 21:22 |
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| russellb | #topic bugs | 21:22 |
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| russellb | we've actually made some good progress in the last week on nova gate bugs | 21:23 |
| russellb | still plenty to chase though overall ... http://status.openstack.org/elastic-recheck/ | 21:23 |
| dansmith | progress why? because I was out and didn't make any new gate bugs? | 21:23 |
| russellb | this page was added recently, very helpful to see the stuff we haven't categorized yet: http://status.openstack.org/elastic-recheck/data/uncategorized.html | 21:23 |
| russellb | dansmith: mainly, yes | 21:23 |
| dansmith | russellb: tell perry I need more vacation then | 21:24 |
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| russellb | last week we talked about a bug day | 21:24 |
| mriedem | the untagged bug list has been picked over a bit in the last week too | 21:24 |
| russellb | john g isn't around, he was going to organize | 21:24 |
| russellb | i'll have to ping him tomorrow | 21:24 |
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| lifeless | sorry I've been failing at driving a bug team | 21:24 |
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| russellb | lifeless: it's OK, you have your hands full | 21:25 |
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| lifeless | russellb: I rather suspect I do | 21:25 |
| russellb | bug team management position open :) | 21:25 |
| mriedem | we have over 90 untagged bugs on sunday, down to 48 now | 21:25 |
| russellb | lifeless: tripleo is a huge mission :) | 21:25 |
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| mriedem | a lot of those are check failures that are dupes or no longer showing up in logstash | 21:25 |
| russellb | mriedem: thanks for the help :) | 21:25 |
| mriedem | np, point is it's not as bad as it probably looks | 21:25 |
| mriedem | when you sift through the clutter | 21:26 |
| * dansmith nominates mriedem as bug lackey^Wwrangler | 21:26 | |
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| mriedem | fudge | 21:26 |
| cyeoh | +1 | 21:26 |
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| russellb | mriedem: you'd be great! | 21:26 |
| mriedem | i consider it a hobby o-) | 21:26 |
| russellb | organize a bug day now and then ... get a few people to meet weekly to do triage together | 21:26 |
| mriedem | while tox runs | 21:26 |
| russellb | misery loves company? | 21:26 |
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| mriedem | will think about it | 21:26 |
| russellb | :) | 21:27 |
| russellb | alright, moving on for now | 21:27 |
| russellb | #topic blueprints | 21:27 |
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| russellb | #link https://launchpad.net/nova/+milestone/icehouse-3 | 21:27 |
| russellb | blueprints must be approved by tuesday | 21:27 |
| russellb | we have to start trimming this down | 21:27 |
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| russellb | if there are particular ones you feel are especially important, we should talk about the priority | 21:27 |
| russellb | i've given up on the nova-core sponsor thing for icehouse | 21:28 |
| russellb | and would like to just hand pick a set that we feel are the most important to review and merge | 21:28 |
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| russellb | if you have stuff on this list, i'd appreciate taking a look and making sure the status is accurate | 21:28 |
| russellb | and if you know it won't make it, go ahead and defer to "next" | 21:29 |
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| russellb | any blueprints folks want to talk about specifically? | 21:29 |
| alaski | I'd like to propose https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/instance-tasks-api as important in order to get into v3, despite my neglect up to this point | 21:29 |
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| jog0 | russellb: I would like to see https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/support-libvirt-1x make it in | 21:30 |
| cyeoh | alaski: yea I'd really like to see that get in | 21:30 |
| russellb | alaski: still drafting though ... needs design ACK before approved :-/ | 21:30 |
| russellb | but yeah, that probably has to make it, or v3 doesn't make it (per list discussion) | 21:30 |
| russellb | jog0: sounds good, feel free to bump to medium | 21:31 |
| lifeless | I filed a new one last week | 21:31 |
| * lifeless looks it up | 21:31 | |
| alaski | russellb: I'll have a design and code by tomorrow, which can at least get it into discussion | 21:31 |
| mriedem | jog0: we need to link that bp to the bug blocking newer libvirt | 21:31 |
| * mriedem looks | 21:31 | |
| russellb | alaski: great! | 21:31 |
| jog0 | mriedem: go for it | 21:31 |
| lifeless | russellb: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/disable-file-injection-by-default | 21:31 |
| russellb | alaski: and let's plan to dive into it more deeply in person, maybe we can push progress quickly that way | 21:31 |
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| russellb | lifeless: didn't target to icehouse-3 | 21:31 |
| cyeoh | russellb: I'd like to get the v3 api related blueprints to get bumped up a bit. to make sure we have a consistent interface | 21:32 |
| russellb | lifeless: needs target and assignee, and that puts it in the review queue | 21:32 |
| lifeless | russellb: oh, sorry. The targeting stuff always gets me | 21:32 |
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| russellb | np, there's just way too much noise in there, so i'm only looking at the targeted stuff | 21:32 |
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| lifeless | russellb: done | 21:32 |
| alaski | russellb: sounds good | 21:32 |
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| russellb | cyeoh: i think that's fine. it needs to be prioritized to have a chance to make icehouse | 21:33 |
| russellb | cyeoh: send me a list of blueprints that need to be bumped | 21:33 |
| cyeoh | russellb: thx, will do | 21:33 |
| russellb | speaking of v3, XML is almost ripped out | 21:34 |
| russellb | a good bit of that merged in the last 24 hours | 21:34 |
| cyeoh | excellent :-) That makes new stuff going in significantly easier to review too | 21:35 |
| sdague | yay for XML v3 being gone :) | 21:35 |
| russellb | sdague: thanks for pushing that | 21:35 |
| sdague | np | 21:35 |
| russellb | #topic open discussion | 21:36 |
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| russellb | anything else for today? | 21:36 |
| dansmith | *crickets* | 21:37 |
| cyeoh | so just one thing on the V3 API | 21:37 |
| jog0 | russellb: we need to be careful watching for new gate bugs | 21:37 |
| jog0 | so we can keep the gate queue moving | 21:37 |
| russellb | jog0: for sure ... could use some sort of notification when stuff crops up | 21:38 |
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| russellb | hard to just always study the data | 21:38 |
| russellb | i'm hoping my focus can start shifting back to nova now | 21:38 |
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| jog0 | russellb: tracking uncalssified failures | 21:38 |
| devananda | I just bumped deprecate-baremetal-driver to "Beta available" -- there's a review up and Ironic folks have it working. More polish on the way soon. | 21:38 |
| russellb | devananda: cool | 21:38 |
| jog0 | so just watch http://status.openstack.org/elastic-recheck/ | 21:38 |
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| lifeless | devananda: \o/ | 21:38 |
| mriedem | jog0: if i have to be bug boy you have to be gate man | 21:39 |
| melwitt | another V3 API thing, I was wondering if I can put up a patch to add back the security groups extension functionality that was removed assuming nova-network deprecation | 21:39 |
| russellb | mriedem: totally | 21:39 |
| jog0 | haha | 21:39 |
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| lifeless | melwitt: :( | 21:39 |
| russellb | jog0 is the nova gate czar | 21:39 |
| lifeless | maybe someone should write a neutron backend that calls nova-network RPCs | 21:39 |
| lifeless | then we don't need the public API to be messed up | 21:39 |
| russellb | lifeless: ha | 21:40 |
| russellb | hadn't considered that ... | 21:40 |
| russellb | somewhat evil | 21:40 |
| cyeoh | melwitt: if nova-network really is going to stick around for a long time then there is a lot of nova-network stuff we have to put back in | 21:40 |
| russellb | sadly yes | 21:40 |
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| russellb | at this point, i have no confidence in any timeline for nova-network going away | 21:40 |
| melwitt | right.. I had removed it is why I ask, forgot to mention that heh | 21:41 |
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| cyeoh | melwitt: but i'm also a bit wary of the benefit of releasing with incomplete nova-network (random bits missing) rather than having none at al | 21:41 |
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| russellb | that was the right thing to do based on previous planning | 21:41 |
| russellb | plan has changed now :-/ | 21:41 |
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| sdague | cyeoh: what's the minimum yuo think we need? | 21:41 |
| sdague | if we had a good minimum, we could do a hard press to get it in | 21:41 |
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| cyeoh | sdague: yea that's true. I guess the fixed/floating stuff has to go in | 21:42 |
| cyeoh | stuff like cloudpipe is probably low priority | 21:42 |
| russellb | not sure cloudpipe worked | 21:42 |
| russellb | so meh | 21:42 |
| cyeoh | heh | 21:42 |
| sdague | yeh | 21:42 |
| melwitt | :) | 21:42 |
| cyeoh | security groups as melwitt mentions | 21:42 |
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| cyeoh | and its much easier if we live with some parts of the API only working with nova-network (but obviously is ugly) | 21:43 |
| russellb | network creation stuff | 21:43 |
| cyeoh | yea the networks extension has to go back in | 21:43 |
| cyeoh | and need to reverify the server boot path | 21:43 |
| lifeless | russellb: how big is the neutron gap really? - there is HA for l3 already | 21:44 |
| lifeless | russellb: I meant to reply to your email, just haven't done so yet | 21:44 |
| cyeoh | also need novaclient changes (this part is where we'd really be pushing the deadlines I suspect) | 21:44 |
| russellb | lifeless: feature gap is part of it, the quality/testing/reliability/scale gap is also part of it | 21:44 |
| russellb | lifeless: and my impression from neutron folks is that significant pieces just need to be rewritten | 21:44 |
| beagles | lifeless: quality/perf is a huge part | 21:44 |
| lifeless | russellb: fwiw we have /no/ nova-network test scenarios in tripleo today | 21:45 |
| melwitt | cyeoh: novaclient changes to put things back? or has some v3 api stuff not been added yet still? | 21:45 |
| russellb | like, for example, with the open source plugins, you can't run more than one API server, or more than one API worker | 21:45 |
| russellb | so you go beyond proof of concept, and your API worker will fall the heck over | 21:45 |
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| sdague | lifeless: as a data point, devananda switched ironic testing to nova-network yesterday so he could merge code again, as the neutron kernel bug tickle meant he couldn't merge code otherwise | 21:45 |
| cyeoh | melwitt: I avoided porting V2 code to V3 for novaclient where it was nova-network specific | 21:45 |
| russellb | it's just unusable | 21:45 |
| melwitt | cyeoh: goti t | 21:45 |
| melwitt | *got it | 21:46 |
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| lifeless | sdague: interesting, but ironic can't boot VM's with nova-network | 21:46 |
| devananda | yep. we added tempest tests to ironic's gate pipe, and with neutron enabled (even though we aren't using it yet) we couldn't merge anything | 21:46 |
| sdague | lifeless: yep | 21:46 |
| devananda | lifeless: i know | 21:46 |
| lifeless | sdague: so I'm not sure what it means :> | 21:46 |
| devananda | lifeless: but tempest can't pass with neutron enabled right now | 21:46 |
| lifeless | devananda: ack | 21:47 |
| russellb | lifeless: yeah it's a tough situation ... we've all been planning based on neutron being ready for prime time long ago | 21:47 |
| devananda | so we won't be able to test that functionality of ironic | 21:47 |
| melwitt | cyeoh: I'd like to help on that side if you need it. I haven't gotten a chance to dig into novaclient much yet though I want to | 21:47 |
| lifeless | devananda: btw | 21:47 |
| devananda | *to have tempest test ... | 21:47 |
| lifeless | devananda: the tripleo test cluster is usable by you now | 21:47 |
| devananda | lifeless: sweet! | 21:47 |
| lifeless | devananda: just define jobs | 21:47 |
| cyeoh | melwitt: that'd be great - although we can't really merge until the nova patches merge, they can be done speculatively I think (the api should in most cases not change much from V2 - just general cleanups) | 21:48 |
| lifeless | devananda: for instance - a 'up to seed usable' test http://logs.openstack.org/23/70023/1/check/gate-tripleo-deploy/d49f20d/console.html | 21:48 |
| melwitt | cyeoh: true. I also want to help with the nova patches since I'm pretty familiar. so I'll keep an eye out for the etherpad tracking that work to see if I can pitch in | 21:49 |
| devananda | lifeless: so we'll probably want to make seed able to use nova-ironic next | 21:49 |
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| devananda | lifeless: so taht we dont need to bring up undercloud every time we want to test ironic. | 21:50 |
| cyeoh | melwitt: I'll try to get an etherpad list of stuff we need to do for nova-network out later today | 21:50 |
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| lifeless | devananda: thats a good idea; and add a parallel job for that | 21:50 |
| melwitt | cyeoh: awesome, thanks. | 21:50 |
| devananda | lifeless: we should move to #tripleo to continue this :) | 21:50 |
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| lifeless | devananda: triggered on anything tripleo + devstack-gte + *ironic* changes | 21:50 |
| russellb | heh | 21:50 |
| russellb | well thanks everyone for coming, i'll close the meeting and we can move back to project channels | 21:50 |
| russellb | #endmeeting | 21:51 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 21:51 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jan 30 21:50:59 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:51 |
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| lifeless | we're not ready for the firehose of nova changes yet | 21:51 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2014/nova.2014-01-30-21.01.html | 21:51 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2014/nova.2014-01-30-21.01.txt | 21:51 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2014/nova.2014-01-30-21.01.log.html | 21:51 |
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