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| slong | :) | 03:01 |
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| slong | loquacityies? OS mtg? | 03:02 |
| slong | loquacities... | 03:02 |
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| loquacities | yes, yes | 03:04 |
| loquacities | sorry, running late | 03:04 |
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| slong | nw | 03:04 |
| loquacities | #startmeeting DocTeamMeeting | 03:05 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Feb 5 03:05:02 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is loquacities. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 03:05 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 03:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: DocTeamMeeting)" | 03:05 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'docteammeeting' | 03:05 |
| loquacities | #topic Action items from last meeting | 03:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Action items from last meeting (Meeting topic: DocTeamMeeting)" | 03:05 | |
| loquacities | annegentle to email Sam-I-Am for networking details on a slide for webinar | 03:06 |
| slong | :) | 03:06 |
| slong | Next | 03:06 |
| loquacities | yep | 03:06 |
| loquacities | AJaeger to create a separate CLI Reference to get input from reviewers | 03:06 |
| loquacities | moving right along ... | 03:06 |
| loquacities | annegentle to find out if Oxygen XML is interested in continuing to support OpenStack with donated licenses | 03:06 |
| loquacities | and i believe i saw an email to that effect | 03:07 |
| slong | and they were | 03:07 |
| loquacities | excellent | 03:07 |
| brucer | kewl | 03:07 |
| slong | brucer, I sent out an email earlier as well. | 03:07 |
| loquacities | #topic January Monthly Google Hangout today at 20:00 | 03:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "January Monthly Google Hangout today at 20:00 (Meeting topic: DocTeamMeeting)" | 03:07 | |
| loquacities | did you guys attend? | 03:07 |
| brucer | email? who reads that... | 03:07 |
| slong | yep, brucer and I did | 03:07 |
| loquacities | good? | 03:07 |
| slong | Very small group, technical problems. | 03:07 |
| loquacities | useful? | 03:07 |
| loquacities | oh :( | 03:08 |
| loquacities | that's a bit sad | 03:08 |
| slong | Yeah, we want to continue, but.... | 03:08 |
| loquacities | well, it's an experiment | 03:08 |
| slong | But it was nice seeing the folks who were there. | 03:08 |
| loquacities | hopefully we can do one that works better in this tz next time | 03:08 |
| brucer | good to meet ppl I guess .. but 6 a.m. was early for me, even after my alartm failed and i only got online stuff working at about 1/2 past.. | 03:08 |
| slong | loquacities, is tom still on holiday? | 03:08 |
| loquacities | slong: i believe so | 03:09 |
| slong | ah | 03:09 |
| loquacities | ok, moving on ... | 03:09 |
| loquacities | #topic Webinar in February (date tbd) to update Icehouse doc/qa/infra plans | 03:09 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Webinar in February (date tbd) to update Icehouse doc/qa/infra plans (Meeting topic: DocTeamMeeting)" | 03:09 | |
| loquacities | i think that is still TBD | 03:09 |
| loquacities | unless you've heard otherwise, slong? | 03:09 |
| slong | no, nothing | 03:09 |
| loquacities | ok, i assume anne will email | 03:10 |
| loquacities | #topic Doc tools update - 0.4 release of openstack-doc-tools, 1.13.0 release of clouddocs-maven-plugin | 03:10 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Doc tools update - 0.4 release of openstack-doc-tools, 1.13.0 release of clouddocs-maven-plugin (Meeting topic: DocTeamMeeting)" | 03:10 | |
| slong | yeah, that one bit me today. | 03:10 |
| slong | Was trying to mvn, and test.py no longer exists. | 03:10 |
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| loquacities | oh, that's good to know | 03:10 |
| loquacities | there's been convo on the list about it | 03:11 |
| slong | Yeah, I've got to be more constant about that reading list. | 03:11 |
| loquacities | i haven't used it yet, but it seems like a nice improvement | 03:11 |
| slong | It hasn't been updated on the howto | 03:11 |
| slong | Which is where I went first. | 03:11 |
| loquacities | ah, maybe we should make that an action | 03:11 |
| slong | But what improvement? Now have to install third-party tool tox? | 03:11 |
| loquacities | oh, yuck | 03:12 |
| loquacities | like i said, i haven't used it yet | 03:12 |
| slong | Yes, was going to update as soon as I actually got it installed and running. | 03:12 |
| slong | Keep getting interrupted. | 03:12 |
| loquacities | was looking at what AJ said on the list this morning about having built pages to review | 03:12 |
| brucer | sorry, NB phonecall i have to take, brb | 03:12 |
| loquacities | do you want an action item? | 03:13 |
| slong | sure | 03:13 |
| loquacities | np brucer | 03:13 |
| loquacities | #action slong to update the howto with the new tools update | 03:13 |
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| loquacities | thanks slong | 03:13 |
| slong | Or die in trying, and ask ajeager to do it. :) | 03:13 |
| loquacities | #topic Working on Oxygen licenses | 03:13 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Working on Oxygen licenses (Meeting topic: DocTeamMeeting)" | 03:13 | |
| loquacities | hehe, that works too :) | 03:14 |
| slong | :) | 03:14 |
| loquacities | i think we can keep moving | 03:14 |
| loquacities | # topic Style Guide for config strings - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/69381 | 03:14 |
| loquacities | i don't think i have anything to add there | 03:15 |
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| slong | Did you look at it? | 03:15 |
| loquacities | only briefly | 03:15 |
| loquacities | #topic Style Guide for config strings - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/69381 | 03:15 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Style Guide for config strings - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/69381 (Meeting topic: DocTeamMeeting)" | 03:15 | |
| loquacities | heh, that's better | 03:15 |
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| slong | lots of reviews already. | 03:15 |
| loquacities | yeah, although they seem positive | 03:16 |
| loquacities | i'll take a closer look this afternoon | 03:16 |
| loquacities | #topic next APAC docs meeting f2f in Brisbane | 03:16 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "next APAC docs meeting f2f in Brisbane (Meeting topic: DocTeamMeeting)" | 03:16 | |
| slong | nice, heh? | 03:16 |
| loquacities | so slong and i cooked up a plan to have the next APAC docs meeting face to face in the Red Hat Brisbane office | 03:16 |
| loquacities | indeed :) | 03:16 |
| slong | Pizza has been approved :D | 03:16 |
| loquacities | woohoo | 03:17 |
| loquacities | should we still run an IRC meeting? | 03:17 |
| dnavale | :) | 03:17 |
| loquacities | oh hi dnavale :) | 03:17 |
| slong | Well, both tom and chadan are out there | 03:17 |
| dnavale | hi loquacities | 03:17 |
| loquacities | that's what i thought | 03:17 |
| loquacities | ok, i'll bring my laptop :) | 03:17 |
| slong | so we can giggle through it. | 03:17 |
| loquacities | lol | 03:17 |
| loquacities | indeed | 03:17 |
| loquacities | ok, i think that's it for formal topics | 03:18 |
| loquacities | #topic Open discussion | 03:18 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open discussion (Meeting topic: DocTeamMeeting)" | 03:18 | |
| loquacities | anyone have anything else? | 03:18 |
| slong | I talked to ajaeger and matt about doing a bit of config ref restructure, and don't think I'll step on any one's toes. | 03:18 |
| loquacities | oh awesome | 03:18 |
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| slong | Did editing for the red hat version, and just want to push back up. | 03:19 |
| loquacities | i noticed nermina was around earlier today, too | 03:19 |
| loquacities | appreciated, as always :) | 03:19 |
| slong | and move some topics into the cloud admin guide if possible. | 03:19 |
| Sam-I-Am | hello. | 03:19 |
| loquacities | oh hi Sam-I-Am | 03:19 |
| slong | yeah, keep missing her | 03:19 |
| slong | Hey Sam-I-Am, you never sleep! | 03:19 |
| Sam-I-Am | sorry i'm a bit late | 03:19 |
| loquacities | you've got to get up early for nermina ;) | 03:19 |
| loquacities | no prob Sam-I-Am | 03:19 |
| loquacities | did you want to talk about your networking stuff? | 03:20 |
| Sam-I-Am | i can provide an update | 03:20 |
| Sam-I-Am | looks like i missed most of the meeting :/ | 03:20 |
| loquacities | great! | 03:20 |
| loquacities | yeah, we sped through it pretty quickly today :) | 03:20 |
| slong | Did a review of the latest, Sam-I-Am, looking good. | 03:20 |
| loquacities | i was going to try and get to some reviews today too | 03:21 |
| * loquacities is running out of day | 03:21 | |
| Sam-I-Am | we met up last friday after a couple of weeks of scheduling issues. nick built the blueprints and split the neutron install guide section into smaller files | 03:21 |
| loquacities | nice | 03:21 |
| Sam-I-Am | i got tied up in the ops guide, but hopefully that'll be done soon so i can work on the blueprints and continue testing ML2 | 03:22 |
| loquacities | yell if we can be helpful | 03:22 |
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| loquacities | i'm sorry i haven't been around much the past couple of weeks | 03:22 |
| Sam-I-Am | sure, i can also provide links to the blueprints if you're interested | 03:22 |
| loquacities | that'd be great | 03:22 |
| slong | I saw one of them this morning when nosing around. | 03:22 |
| slong | How do blueprints get reviewed? | 03:23 |
| Sam-I-Am | i think its mostly unofficial... and at some point we'll probably file a bug | 03:23 |
| loquacities | i'm not certain if there's a process | 03:23 |
| slong | Hmm | 03:23 |
| Sam-I-Am | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+spec/networking-install-guide-improvements | 03:23 |
| Sam-I-Am | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+spec/improve-networking-cloud-admin-guide | 03:23 |
| Sam-I-Am | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+spec/create-networking-guide | 03:24 |
| Sam-I-Am | thats the three | 03:24 |
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| Sam-I-Am | i was also eyeballing the training guide | 03:24 |
| slong | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+spec/understanding-networking | 03:24 |
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| slong | also calls for a new book. | 03:25 |
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| Sam-I-Am | the labs kind of have their own installation process, but not as well defined as the install guide imho | 03:25 |
| slong | Sorry, how do you see that that's a 'labs' blueprint? | 03:26 |
| loquacities | ALL the books! \o/ | 03:26 |
| Sam-I-Am | slong: oh, a separate thing. nick had me look around for places that mimic the install guide and/or involve networking | 03:26 |
| Sam-I-Am | i think there's a general thought that we should use a simple, well-defined arch for the install guide and then build on it for more advanced features | 03:27 |
| loquacities | that seems sane | 03:27 |
| loquacities | not sure how well it will scale, though | 03:27 |
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| slong | Apologies, but back to the blueprints. Am thinking that the fourth blueprint can be closed as duplicate? | 03:28 |
| Sam-I-Am | i think i'll e-mail nick about it | 03:28 |
| slong | Lorin Hochstein created the fourth earlier in the month. | 03:28 |
| slong | Jan.5 | 03:28 |
| loquacities | lorin's was first | 03:29 |
| Sam-I-Am | i dont know if he has the same plans we do | 03:29 |
| Sam-I-Am | might be something to ask | 03:29 |
| slong | yes | 03:29 |
| slong | just so you guys don't end up doing double work | 03:29 |
| loquacities | they're all very closely related | 03:30 |
| Sam-I-Am | yup. e-mailing now. | 03:30 |
| loquacities | cool | 03:31 |
| loquacities | ok, we can probably wrap it up there, yeah? | 03:31 |
| loquacities | oh, just spotted this in the minutes from last week: | 03:31 |
| loquacities | 14:58:41 <nickchase> One more bit of news, since we're almost at time: | 03:31 |
| loquacities | 14:58:53 <nickchase> Nermina has been hired by some lucky non-cloud company. | 03:31 |
| loquacities | 14:59:02 <nickchase> So I will be replacing her ASAP. | 03:31 |
| Sam-I-Am | loquacities: was there any earlier topics i could be of use on? | 03:31 |
| slong | BUMMER | 03:31 |
| Sam-I-Am | yeah, sad. | 03:32 |
| loquacities | :( | 03:32 |
| slong | I mean, not about nick of course. | 03:32 |
| loquacities | Sam-I-Am: no, we moved through things pretty quickly | 03:32 |
| loquacities | thanks for the update :) | 03:32 |
| Sam-I-Am | sure | 03:32 |
| loquacities | ok, thanks everyone | 03:32 |
| slong | thanks for running the mtg loquacities | 03:32 |
| loquacities | np | 03:32 |
| Sam-I-Am | good... morning (or something) | 03:33 |
| loquacities | our turnout is getting better every week! | 03:33 |
| loquacities | #endmeeting | 03:33 |
| slong | ciao | 03:33 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Feb 5 03:33:13 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 03:33 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteammeeting/2014/docteammeeting.2014-02-05-03.05.html | 03:33 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteammeeting/2014/docteammeeting.2014-02-05-03.05.txt | 03:33 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteammeeting/2014/docteammeeting.2014-02-05-03.05.log.html | 03:33 |
| Sam-I-Am | i think tom comes back in a few days | 03:33 |
| loquacities | yeah, i'm not certain when he's due back | 03:33 |
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| Sam-I-Am | i think anne said 2 days | 03:34 |
| loquacities | right | 03:34 |
| slong | kk | 03:34 |
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| johnthetubaguy | #startmeeting XenAPI | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Feb 5 15:00:49 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is johnthetubaguy. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'xenapi' | 15:00 |
| johnthetubaguy | howdy people | 15:01 |
| johnthetubaguy | who is around today? | 15:01 |
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| leifz | I'm lurking. | 15:01 |
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| thouveng | Me too | 15:01 |
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| johnthetubaguy | #topic Blueprints | 15:03 |
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| johnthetubaguy | thouveng: how is it all going? | 15:03 |
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| thouveng | It is going well. | 15:03 |
| thouveng | I got -1 from matt | 15:04 |
| thouveng | but it is because the version of the plugin conflicts with a patch from bob | 15:04 |
| johnthetubaguy | you got the link for your review? | 15:04 |
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| thouveng | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/63816/ | 15:04 |
| matel | hi | 15:05 |
| matel | I am here | 15:05 |
| thouveng | and the one of bob is https://review.openstack.org/#/c/60253/ | 15:05 |
| matel | Bob's off today | 15:05 |
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| johnthetubaguy | matel: OK, cool | 15:05 |
| thouveng | Oh that's why its review is not updated | 15:05 |
| thouveng | the review 60253 has been approved but it received -1 from jenkins | 15:06 |
| johnthetubaguy | thouveng: its time to rebase your change I think, then you will see the version stuff for sure | 15:06 |
| johnthetubaguy | oh, I see | 15:07 |
| johnthetubaguy | it failed to merge | 15:07 |
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| thouveng | Yes that's why I'm waiting but I can wait | 15:07 |
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| johnthetubaguy | OK, you could rebase bob's change for him I guess, and I can approve that | 15:07 |
| johnthetubaguy | anyways, lets leave that for now | 15:08 |
| thouveng | ok cool | 15:08 |
| matel | I'll let Bob know it. | 15:08 |
| thouveng | Oh you mean I rebase the bob's patch and not I'm waiting for him | 15:08 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah | 15:09 |
| johnthetubaguy | but probably easier just to wait for him to return, if thats soon | 15:09 |
| johnthetubaguy | anyways, its looking good | 15:09 |
| johnthetubaguy | any more on blueprints? | 15:09 |
| thouveng | not on my side | 15:09 |
| matel | Well, I guess, he'll do it tomorrow, but if he were out for longer, we could just do it. | 15:09 |
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| johnthetubaguy | just wanted to say we have gone past the blueprint freeze date for Icehouse now | 15:09 |
| thouveng | OK I will wait until tomorrow no problem | 15:09 |
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| johnthetubaguy | Seem like we have, a few blueprints approved | 15:10 |
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| johnthetubaguy | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/xenapi-driver-refactor | 15:10 |
| johnthetubaguy | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/pci-passthrough-xenapi | 15:11 |
| johnthetubaguy | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/xenapi-vif-hotplug | 15:11 |
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| johnthetubaguy | Mostly waiting on my to pull my finger out, I might try do those on the plane to Utah | 15:11 |
| johnthetubaguy | #topic Date of next meeting | 15:11 |
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| johnthetubaguy | before I forget, I am at the nova meet up in Utah next week | 15:12 |
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| johnthetubaguy | anyone else going? | 15:12 |
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| matel | Nobody from us. | 15:12 |
| thouveng | nope | 15:12 |
| leifz | I'll be there. | 15:12 |
| johnthetubaguy | well, I will try make these meeting still, but I don't know how that will work out | 15:12 |
| matel | We can chair it. | 15:12 |
| johnthetubaguy | feel free to start off without me, but do ping me if I am IRC | 15:13 |
| johnthetubaguy | matel: cool, thanks | 15:13 |
| johnthetubaguy | #topic QA and bugs | 15:13 |
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| johnthetubaguy | we need to start deciding what bugs should be fixed by icehouse | 15:13 |
| johnthetubaguy | please do look at the backlog | 15:13 |
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| johnthetubaguy | https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bugs?field.tag=xenserver | 15:14 |
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| johnthetubaguy | nothing super bad there I guess, but would be good to see progress on some of those | 15:14 |
| johnthetubaguy | matel: how is the CI going? | 15:14 |
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| matel | A bit stuck atm on the nodepool side. Hopefully we update the changesets this week. Bob is working on the nodepool side, I am committing to devstack (https://review.openstack.org/70999) | 15:15 |
| johnthetubaguy | stuck waiting for reviews? | 15:15 |
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| matel | We need to rebase and test the changes. Nodepool's architecture is not really helping with this work. | 15:16 |
| matel | But apart from that, I think we should be prepared for massive resistance. | 15:17 |
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| johnthetubaguy | OK, Bob was talking about runing out side of the main CI | 15:17 |
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| matel | Yes, which makes the use of nodepool a bit pointless in my eyes, but that's another issue. | 15:17 |
| johnthetubaguy | would standing up our own jenkins + gerrit plugin be a better way forward? | 15:17 |
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| matel | We'll see what's the best. I would prefer to integrate everything to the gate. | 15:18 |
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| johnthetubaguy | agreed, but we are quite close to getting kicked out of the tree | 15:18 |
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| matel | Yes, so I guess, if we bump into resistance, a home CI will be launched. | 15:20 |
| johnthetubaguy | is there a date where we decide to go our own way, and not integrate with gate? | 15:20 |
| matel | But I prefer not to say any dates. | 15:20 |
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| johnthetubaguy | well, there are firm dates from Russell | 15:21 |
| russellb | icehouse-3 | 15:21 |
| russellb | CI running or driver out :-/ | 15:21 |
| johnthetubaguy | I just thinking, if we don't get it done by X, lets grow our on CI? | 15:21 |
| matel | I guess, the deadline that you are looking for, will be soon, and it's really likely, that plan B will kick off. | 15:21 |
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| johnthetubaguy | question is what is X? | 15:21 |
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| matel | As I said: I won't say any dates. I will talk to Bob, and get to a consensus (as you might say) | 15:22 |
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| johnthetubaguy | OK | 15:22 |
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| johnthetubaguy | well we have until March 4th to have a CI up and running | 15:22 |
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| matel | So that's from me, anyone who is interested in the status: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/XenServer/GateIntegration | 15:23 |
| johnthetubaguy | I would say, if there is nothing going by 17th Feb, lets go our own way? | 15:23 |
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| johnthetubaguy | but I will let you and Bob decide on that | 15:23 |
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| matel | Yes, you can leave this with us. | 15:23 |
| johnthetubaguy | I am free to work on this from 17th Feb, till its done, if that is useful | 15:24 |
| matel | Thank you for letting us deciding. | 15:24 |
| leifz | If additional help is needed, I an try to chip in as well. | 15:24 |
| johnthetubaguy | but lots of people to a late project doesn't help, I know, but sometimes it can | 15:24 |
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| johnthetubaguy | OK... | 15:25 |
| matel | Will keep you updated. | 15:25 |
| johnthetubaguy | #topic Open Discussion | 15:25 |
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| matel | leifz: Thank you for offering help. | 15:25 |
| johnthetubaguy | any more for any more? | 15:25 |
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| johnthetubaguy | 3... | 15:26 |
| johnthetubaguy | 2... | 15:26 |
| johnthetubaguy | OK, so thanks all | 15:26 |
| thouveng | bye | 15:26 |
| johnthetubaguy | #endmeeting | 15:27 |
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| matel | bye | 15:27 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Feb 5 15:27:04 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:27 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/xenapi/2014/xenapi.2014-02-05-15.00.html | 15:27 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/xenapi/2014/xenapi.2014-02-05-15.00.txt | 15:27 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/xenapi/2014/xenapi.2014-02-05-15.00.log.html | 15:27 |
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| russellb | btw https://review.openstack.org/#/c/71289/ | 15:28 |
| russellb | if any xenapi folks still around | 15:29 |
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| jgriffith | #startmeeting cinder | 16:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Feb 5 16:01:13 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jgriffith. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: cinder)" | 16:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'cinder' | 16:01 |
| rushiagr | o/ | 16:01 |
| bswartz | hi | 16:01 |
| avishay | hello | 16:01 |
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| jgriffith | hola everyone.. it's been a while :) | 16:01 |
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| glenng | Hola | 16:01 |
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| jgriffith | seems Wed is the best day of week to fly :) | 16:01 |
| avishay | :) | 16:01 |
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| dosaboy | howdi | 16:01 |
| DuncanT | hey | 16:02 |
| jgriffith | dosaboy: and DuncanT both!!! | 16:02 |
| jgriffith | W00T | 16:02 |
| * DuncanT gets nervious | 16:02 | |
| jgriffith | Nahh | 16:02 |
| dosaboy | d-ream team | 16:02 |
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| jgriffith | alright... let's fire this thing up | 16:02 |
| xyang | hi | 16:02 |
| jgriffith | #topic I3 Status | 16:03 |
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| jgriffith | https://launchpad.net/cinder/+milestone/icehouse-3 | 16:03 |
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| jgriffith | A number of folks snuck some things in over the week-end | 16:03 |
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| jgriffith | New driver submissions from prophet-store and others | 16:03 |
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| jgriffith | basically we're at submission freeze, so if you BP isn't in it'll need an exception after this point | 16:04 |
| dosaboy | o/ | 16:04 |
| jgriffith | The way it's *supposed* to work is that reviewers would come across somethnig that isn't approved and not approve it in review | 16:04 |
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| avishay | jgriffith: everything that is approved is marked as such? | 16:05 |
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| jungleboyj | Howdy all. Sorry I am late. | 16:05 |
| jgriffith | avishay: not yet :( | 16:05 |
| jgriffith | avishay: but I'll have it updated later today | 16:06 |
| avishay | jgriffith: ok cool | 16:06 |
| jgriffith | avishay: and the big thing is I'd like to NOT see people sneaking in new stuff | 16:06 |
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| jgriffith | if somebody has a bp they need to add let me know | 16:06 |
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| jgriffith | don't just add it and mark it as targetted | 16:06 |
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| avishay | i would never do such a thing | 16:06 |
| * avishay whistles | 16:06 | |
| jgriffith | of course none of the people that show up to this meeting do that so no point in me mentioning it here | 16:06 |
| dosaboy | jgriffith: I've had 1137908 on that list a while and i've decided to break it into 4 patches to make it more review-friendly | 16:07 |
| dosaboy | jgriffith: should be done buy end of week | 16:07 |
| jungleboyj | avishay: :-) | 16:07 |
| jgriffith | dosaboy: great, you were next on my list of topics :) | 16:07 |
| dosaboy | unless anyone objects | 16:07 |
| coolsvap | jgriffith: I would like to propose a new driver bp | 16:07 |
| dosaboy | reckon it makes sense cause it got kinda bloated | 16:08 |
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| jgriffith | dosaboy: sounds good to me | 16:08 |
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| avishay | jgriffith: is the cert script a necessary precondition for +2ing drivers? | 16:08 |
| coolsvap | jgriffith: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/cinder/+spec/astute-nfs, we are mostly on completion with this | 16:08 |
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| jgriffith | coolsvap: I think you're going to be late on that | 16:08 |
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| jgriffith | coolsvap: we want things in the queue by end of next week | 16:09 |
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| jgriffith | coolsvap: but if you've got one to propose get the BP posted this morning | 16:09 |
| jgriffith | coolsvap: I thought we already talked about this last week and you said the BP was on it's way? | 16:09 |
| jgriffith | avishay: I'd like to make it as such | 16:09 |
| jgriffith | avishay: I've got new changes in tempest and devstack that should fix things up | 16:10 |
| jgriffith | avishay: and hema ran into something weird that he patched yesterday | 16:10 |
| jgriffith | We need a place to put the files though | 16:10 |
| jgriffith | That part I don't have... | 16:10 |
| jgriffith | but maybe I could suggest google-docs, or maybe give a lnk to my S3 container? | 16:11 |
| avishay | jgriffith: from what i remember there is the IBM NAS driver and 2 HP drivers - so no merge until a successful run? | 16:11 |
| coolsvap | jgriffith: the blueprint I have already added, the code can be pushed by friday at the earliest | 16:11 |
| thingee | o/ | 16:11 |
| avishay | thingee: yo | 16:11 |
| jgriffith | coolsvap: then you're fine | 16:11 |
| xyang | jgriffith: if there are still bugs in the cert tests, it is hard to make it a requirement for new drivers | 16:11 |
| jgriffith | xyang: there aren't bugs in the cert test actually | 16:11 |
| jgriffith | xyang: the issues were setting protocol and vendor name in tempest | 16:12 |
| jgriffith | the devstack change: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/68726/ | 16:12 |
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| jgriffith | is simply to make life "easier" | 16:12 |
| jgriffith | xyang: the script should be functional, and if it's not please let me know | 16:13 |
| avishay | jgriffith: can you make some small guide to running it? it seems that running unmerged drivers requires changing the script? | 16:13 |
| jgriffith | xyang: it's been out there for a number of weeks, I would've hoped people would've tried it | 16:13 |
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| jgriffith | avishay: yes, that's an excellent point | 16:13 |
| jgriffith | avishay: I'll get something documented and sent out | 16:13 |
| thingee | coolsvap: for this new driver, I would also like to see the cert tests passing ^ | 16:13 |
| avishay | jgriffith: OK thanks | 16:13 |
| jgriffith | avishay: or just update cinder's dev guide | 16:13 |
| avishay | jgriffith: as far as i'm concerned it can be comments at the top of the script :) | 16:14 |
| xyang | jgriffith: sure, I haven't got chance to try it yet, but will give a try. I hope we can at least do that after 2/18? | 16:14 |
| coolsvap | thingee: sure I have that on the checklist | 16:14 |
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| jgriffith | avishay: yeah... I was just thinking "who knows how long it will take till a change lands" :) | 16:14 |
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| avishay | jgriffith: will the recent fixes help with the errors Nilesh reported for the IBM NAS driver? | 16:15 |
| jgriffith | I guess I'm not sure why not just run it | 16:15 |
| avishay | OK | 16:15 |
| jgriffith | It only takes around 5 minutes | 16:15 |
| avishay | fair nuff | 16:15 |
| jgriffith | avishay: I'm not sure what errors he reported | 16:15 |
| jungleboyj | :-) | 16:15 |
| jgriffith | avishay: sorry... that was towards xyang 's question :) | 16:16 |
| jungleboyj | jgriffith: He was seeing like 4 failures. | 16:16 |
| jgriffith | jungleboyj: I'll look, but I suspect it was the vendor_id and protocol | 16:16 |
| * jungleboyj still needs to go review the code again. | 16:16 | |
| jgriffith | jungleboyj: but I thought that was *2* errors not 4 | 16:16 |
| jgriffith | so there's a api.volume.test_volumes_types | 16:16 |
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| jgriffith | it sets volume type and extra-specs | 16:17 |
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| avishay | timeout in upload_image | 16:17 |
| jgriffith | the default in the test is vendor = OpenSource and protocol=iSCSI | 16:17 |
| jgriffith | avishay: hmmmm... might be a bug in his driver :) | 16:17 |
| akerr | avishay: we see upload_image timeout with Netapp drivers too | 16:17 |
| jgriffith | akerr: NFS version? | 16:17 |
| jungleboyj | Ruh roh. | 16:18 |
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| akerr | jgriffith: I think 4? | 16:18 |
| avishay | jgriffith: he claims it works manually and uploaded logs | 16:18 |
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| avishay | jgriffith: but maybe | 16:18 |
| xyang | jgriffith: I'll try sooner, but if we run into issues, I don't know how long it will take for it to complete successfully. | 16:18 |
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| jgriffith | xyang: fair enough | 16:18 |
| jgriffith | avishay: akerr so ping me after meeting and I can help debug | 16:18 |
| sneelakantan | jgriffith: I ran the script for vmware driver, and had issues with 196 sec timeout during upload to image too | 16:18 |
| avishay | jgriffith: sure | 16:18 |
| sneelakantan | jgriffith: I set the timeout higher and it passed | 16:19 |
| jgriffith | since we don't gate on NFS and it's become evident most people don't run the tests I wouldn't be surprised if there's a bug in the driver or in the tempest test | 16:19 |
| jgriffith | sneelakantan: ahhh | 16:19 |
| jgriffith | sneelakantan: so its just painfully slooooowwwwww | 16:19 |
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| sneelakantan | jgriffith: yep. Take about 4 mins to upload a 1GB file. May be just my env. | 16:20 |
| jgriffith | holy cow... that's horrid | 16:20 |
| bswartz | not all of us has all-flash storage arrays | 16:20 |
| bswartz | lol | 16:20 |
| avishay | haha | 16:20 |
| jgriffith | bswartz: LOL... | 16:20 |
| bswartz | 4 mins for 1 GB does seem a little off though | 16:20 |
| jgriffith | bswartz: I didn't know you used stone tablets and chissels though | 16:20 |
| jungleboyj | Isn't everyone one running on little bogged down VMs? | 16:21 |
| * jgriffith should've changed the topic | 16:21 | |
| jgriffith | #topic cert test | 16:21 |
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| jgriffith | Rewind about 5 minutes for beginning of topic :) | 16:21 |
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| jungleboyj | :-) | 16:22 |
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| jgriffith | Ok... guess that's that :) | 16:23 |
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| dosaboy | while we are on the topic of uploads, were there not plans a while back to refactor the cinder.image? | 16:23 |
| jgriffith | #action jgriffith to updte docs on how to use cert-test | 16:23 |
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| dosaboy | since we now have a kludge of v1 and v2 | 16:23 |
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| jgriffith | dosaboy: more importantly we're still not using v2 as default | 16:23 |
| dosaboy | agreed | 16:24 |
| jgriffith | dosaboy: I think there are few things we need to get fixed here | 16:24 |
| DuncanT | v2 still isn't in use in many / most places as of the last summit | 16:24 |
| thingee | jgriffith: v2 is routed by default | 16:24 |
| dosaboy | DuncanT: um i seem to remember hearing at the summit that they are planning to deprecate v1 | 16:24 |
| thingee | dosaboy: yes | 16:24 |
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| jgriffith | thingee: I think someone pointed out an issue last week on that | 16:25 |
| jgriffith | thingee: I'll have a look after the meeting | 16:25 |
| kmartin | jgriffith: we found a few problems in the 3PAR drivers by running the cert test, hemna will be posting a patch soon to fix them | 16:25 |
| thingee | hm, news to me =/ | 16:25 |
| jgriffith | kmartin: nice! | 16:25 |
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| jgriffith | thingee: I could be mistaken, I"ll go back through my notes | 16:26 |
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| jgriffith | dosaboy: so to your point/questin | 16:26 |
| jgriffith | question | 16:26 |
| jgriffith | We talked about that, we should look at it | 16:26 |
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| thingee | I'm not sure I understand. | 16:27 |
| thingee | v2 is routed | 16:27 |
| jgriffith | Honestly I was hoping to get some more improvements in image.py | 16:27 |
| thingee | it's just not warning your about using v1 still | 16:27 |
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| jungleboyj | thingee: What do you mean routed? | 16:27 |
| thingee | the v2 controllers are routed | 16:27 |
| thingee | if you run G, you get v2 | 16:28 |
| thingee | you just have to make sure keystone catalog stuff is setup properly | 16:28 |
| dosaboy | jgriffith: i'm happy to help out with glance-related work if I find the time | 16:28 |
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| jungleboyj | thingee: From what I have seen, you can't count on Keystone being set up properly. | 16:28 |
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| jgriffith | dosaboy: thanks | 16:29 |
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| thingee | jungleboyj: people can setup anything wrong. how is this different? | 16:29 |
| jgriffith | thingee: deep breaths, it's ok... lemme see if I can find out what the complaint was | 16:30 |
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| thingee | you can put v5 when you meant v1 | 16:30 |
| jgriffith | thingee: perhaps it's nothing | 16:30 |
| jungleboyj | thingee: True enough. | 16:30 |
| thingee | I guess instructing with a deprecation warning that v1 is old, use v2 would help | 16:30 |
| thingee | do we want to do that in I? | 16:30 |
| jgriffith | thingee: it would probably be good if we did | 16:31 |
| thingee | seems like the next step | 16:31 |
| thingee | ok | 16:31 |
| jungleboyj | It also seems we keep adding to V1 so people don't have the incentive to move foward. | 16:31 |
| jgriffith | else nobody will move | 16:31 |
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| jungleboyj | jgriffith: +2 | 16:31 |
| thingee | #action thingee will deprecate v1 | 16:31 |
| jgriffith | jungleboyj: well, we're supposed to be rejecting feature adds to V1 already :) | 16:31 |
| thingee | jungleboyj: +1 | 16:32 |
| thingee | yes, I have to ask that everyone be more strict on accepting patches where people add to v1. | 16:32 |
| jungleboyj | jgriffith: That was why I was pushing back against the multi volume change. :-) | 16:32 |
| jgriffith | jungleboyj: indeed :) | 16:32 |
| thingee | the only exception in my opinion is having cinderclient v1 expose something v1 already have...imo | 16:32 |
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| thingee | I have seen those changes come lately | 16:32 |
| jgriffith | thingee: agreed | 16:32 |
| jgriffith | Ok... we've digressed a bit, but at least on something relevant | 16:33 |
| coolsvap | jgriffith jungleboyj thingee just to confirm, should multi volume create go in v1 or not? | 16:33 |
| jgriffith | Let's see what bswartz has in store for us this am | 16:33 |
| jgriffith | #topic multiple pools per backend | 16:33 |
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| bswartz | hah | 16:33 |
| bswartz | well the short answer is -- I tried to make this work and I couldn't | 16:33 |
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| bswartz | I think winston was right that this requires a DB change or something more invasive than what i had in mind | 16:34 |
| jungleboyj | coolsvap: I would say no based on the discussion we just had. | 16:34 |
| bswartz | this is because of how the scheduler tracks free space -- if you try to have multiple pools inside a backend, but volumes aren't associated with them in the DB, then you can't figure out allocated space | 16:34 |
| avishay | i think multi-create should go into v1 - works with v1 APIs | 16:35 |
| bswartz | so I'm going to look at other approaches to solving this problem, because simply manding multiuple backends (one per pool) doesn't seem like the right approach either | 16:35 |
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| avishay | bswartz: interesting | 16:35 |
| jgriffith | avishay: coolsvap let's hold off on that for now | 16:35 |
| bswartz | I may propose a DB change for J to actuall allow cinder to track multiple pools | 16:36 |
| bswartz | I'd like other ideas though | 16:36 |
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| bswartz | the goal is to allow 1 array to present multiple pools of free space (each with it's own set of capabilities) to the scheduler without forking lots of c-vol processes | 16:37 |
| jgriffith | bswartz: so going the other way and chaging how the scheduler interprets space isn't going to cut it | 16:37 |
| bswartz | because it's dumb to have a bunch of processing managing 1 array | 16:37 |
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| jgriffith | bswartz: so something that came up before was an aggregated backend | 16:37 |
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| jgriffith | bswartz: one interface, multiple backends | 16:37 |
| bswartz | jgriffith: any docs or BPs on that? | 16:38 |
| jgriffith | the multiple backends abstracted into a single cinder driver interface | 16:38 |
| jgriffith | bswartz: no, I just talked about it in Hong Kong | 16:38 |
| bswartz | jgriffith: yes that's another reasonable approach to implement what I want | 16:38 |
| DuncanT | bswartz: processes are cheap. If the config file is sane, who cares if we have 1 or 100? | 16:38 |
| jgriffith | bswartz: but admittedly everybody was more interested in my 'report stats' was wrong | 16:38 |
| avishay | jgriffith: a pseudo-driver that calls other driver instances? | 16:38 |
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| bswartz | DuncanT: it's more of an issue if htey have to be in sync with eachother for some reason | 16:39 |
| jgriffith | avishay: well... it should be moore sophisticatd than that | 16:39 |
| jgriffith | avishay: but at a high level, yes | 16:39 |
| avishay | DuncanT: i know one issue people are seeing is lots of SSH connections to arrays because each driver instance has its own - sometimes you can run out of connections | 16:39 |
| avishay | jgriffith: gotcha | 16:39 |
| DuncanT | bswartz: avishay: Fair enough. Just wanted to shoot down the straw man and find out what the real problem was | 16:40 |
| * coolsvap was working on a poc similar to jgriffith's | 16:40 | |
| jgriffith | ssh, xml, smis... three acronyms that should be banned :) | 16:40 |
| bswartz | I think we want to keep a single DRIVER per array, because there's some state you wouldn't want to have to keep multiple copies off, but somehow that needs to appear to teh scheduler/manager as multiple things | 16:40 |
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| jgriffith | bswartz: coolsvap maybe we sould spend some time together and see if we can arrive at a good solution for this? | 16:40 |
| avishay | jgriffith: :) | 16:40 |
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| jgriffith | sort of a "parent-driver" approach | 16:41 |
| bswartz | yes, but I don't see it happening in icehouse sadly | 16:41 |
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| jgriffith | bswartz: yeah, time is not our friend | 16:41 |
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| jgriffith | bswartz: but I don't know that any other proposal would help there either | 16:41 |
| jgriffith | bswartz: unless you have a working proposal that you want to run with | 16:41 |
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| bswartz | no I think we need to start thinking about what we'd like to see in J | 16:42 |
| coolsvap | jgriffith: sure | 16:42 |
| jgriffith | bswartz: fair | 16:42 |
| bswartz | icehouse will have to ship without support for this because I don't have any bright ideas | 16:42 |
| jgriffith | ok | 16:42 |
| eharney | bswartz: i also have some interest in this as i've been thinking about issues leading me toward similar ideas | 16:42 |
| jgriffith | well thanks for the update | 16:42 |
| jgriffith | the "NO DB change" edict is going to make things difficult | 16:42 |
| bswartz | and I don't want to half-ass this either, I think it's important to get right | 16:42 |
| avishay | bswartz: sounds good | 16:43 |
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| jgriffith | alright, we def have multiple parties interested in this | 16:44 |
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| jgriffith | Let's synch up later this week/early next week and get all of us on the same page | 16:44 |
| bswartz | winston was interested too -- I suspect here's not here today | 16:44 |
| jgriffith | It might be J timeframe but it would help if we went in to J with a plan | 16:44 |
| jgriffith | or at least all on the same pge | 16:45 |
| jgriffith | page | 16:45 |
| bswartz | s/here's/he's/ | 16:45 |
| jgriffith | #topic open-discussion | 16:45 |
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| thingee | oh | 16:45 |
| dosaboy | is the cinder hackathon going ahead? | 16:45 |
| thingee | hackathon | 16:45 |
| dosaboy | :) | 16:45 |
| thingee | dosaboy: ;) | 16:45 |
| avishay | hah | 16:45 |
| thingee | haha | 16:45 |
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| avishay | i'm in, remotely | 16:46 |
| dosaboy | i was gonna offer python-mock help where possible | 16:46 |
| jungleboyj | I should be in remotely. | 16:46 |
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| thingee | so I wanted to try something a bit different. it seems like remote is the way to go with short notice. | 16:46 |
| rushiagr | I will be too, remotely | 16:46 |
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| thingee | but the different thing to try is something like google hangout, team speak or something where communication is shown as us being a bit more focused | 16:47 |
| coolsvap | me too remote | 16:47 |
| thingee | do people think that would help? | 16:47 |
| thingee | stupid idea? | 16:47 |
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| jgriffith | thingee: good idea IMO | 16:47 |
| jgriffith | :) | 16:47 |
| DuncanT | Certainly worth a try | 16:47 |
| avishay | never tried either of those but worth a try | 16:47 |
| DuncanT | Some of the teams here use google hangouts for such things | 16:47 |
| coolsvap | yes we tried hangout at solum earlier | 16:47 |
| thingee | there is a limit on hang out though right? | 16:47 |
| rushiagr | yes I guess. 10 people | 16:48 |
| dosaboy | 10 afaik | 16:48 |
| dosaboy | but you can add on with call ins | 16:48 |
| dosaboy | dial ins even | 16:48 |
| rushiagr | or have two guys sit in front of one laptop :D | 16:48 |
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| thingee | that works. we don't really need to see faces :)...I don't think anyone wants to be staring at me all day making weird faces as I do reviews | 16:48 |
| * jungleboyj laughs | 16:49 | |
| * jgriffith knows you don't want to see his mug all day | 16:49 | |
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| thingee | jgriffith: just point it at the dog all day | 16:49 |
| avishay | haha | 16:49 |
| jgriffith | thingee: now there's an idea | 16:49 |
| jungleboyj | You guys would have to deal with me headbanging and dancing in my chair. ;-) | 16:49 |
| thingee | ok, lets try something like that. so plan on having some headset ready | 16:50 |
| avishay | thingee: it seemed you had a basic agenda - do you want to make a more detailed list of things to tackle? how will it run? | 16:50 |
| thingee | feb 24-26 sound good still? | 16:50 |
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| jungleboyj | thingee: So what is the idea? We will talk through reviews quickly and interactively. Talk out the solutions to avoid multiple patches? | 16:50 |
| avishay | ok for me | 16:50 |
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| jungleboyj | avishay: Jinx. :-) | 16:51 |
| avishay | is it for reviews or for fixes, or both? | 16:51 |
| thingee | avishay: so jgriffith had the idea of leaving it open. I just want the focus around getting patches through and some of the things I mentioned fix | 16:51 |
| thingee | stability/bug fixes | 16:51 |
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| avishay | so kind of like a 3-day bug squashing event with voice/video | 16:52 |
| jungleboyj | 24th - 26th still looks good to me. | 16:52 |
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| thingee | it might be most of the time it's people muted, but it's a way to quickly get attention and people talking out complicated things. | 16:52 |
| dosaboy | who is sponsoring the beer tent? | 16:52 |
| avishay | works for me | 16:52 |
| jungleboyj | dosaboy: Good question! | 16:52 |
| * DuncanT wonders if there will be many on in a GMT timezone, or close? Avishay I guess... | 16:52 | |
| jgriffith | thingee: I did? | 16:52 |
| thingee | it's an experiment. no promises it'll be perfect | 16:52 |
| thingee | and yes video if you don't mind people seeing you :) | 16:53 |
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| thingee | Can I just get an idea of who is interested. | 16:53 |
| thingee | just a rough count | 16:53 |
| jgriffith | 0/ | 16:53 |
| avishay | me | 16:53 |
| DuncanT | O/ | 16:53 |
| eharney | me | 16:53 |
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| coolsvap | +1 | 16:53 |
| jungleboyj | me | 16:53 |
| dosaboy | o/ | 16:54 |
| jgriffith | I think we can count winston as well | 16:54 |
| thingee | great we might have room for google hangout or something. | 16:54 |
| thingee | yea | 16:54 |
| jungleboyj | jgriffith: +1 | 16:54 |
| jgriffith | and likely harlowja_away | 16:54 |
| coolsvap | yes winston-d ++ | 16:54 |
| jungleboyj | winston mentioned being in. | 16:54 |
| jgriffith | eharney: not interested? | 16:54 |
| eharney | i jumped in above ^ :) | 16:55 |
| jgriffith | eharney: DOH! | 16:55 |
| jgriffith | my bad | 16:55 |
| jgriffith | I'd like to see all core members participate | 16:55 |
| thingee | I'll start an etherpad and people can list bug links they're interested on working on. you also don't have to work on bugs, you could be finishing a bp or doing a lot of reviews | 16:55 |
| jungleboyj | eharney: we used the wrong notation. | 16:55 |
| jgriffith | personally | 16:55 |
| jungleboyj | eharney: _1 | 16:55 |
| thingee | most importantly, it's three days that we're going to focus | 16:55 |
| jgriffith | unless they have scheduling conflicts of course | 16:55 |
| thingee | I'm planning to take the time off from work to really focus | 16:55 |
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| thingee | nobody is expected to do that of course, but the idea is just dedicated time to really focus on getting things through review and stability | 16:56 |
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| jungleboyj | thingee: What hours are we talking? | 16:56 |
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| thingee | good question | 16:56 |
| avishay | hopefully gate will cooperate | 16:56 |
| jungleboyj | thingee: I should block my calendar accordingly. | 16:56 |
| avishay | (i just jinxed it, didn't i) | 16:56 |
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| * jungleboyj looks sternly at avishay | 16:57 | |
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| avishay | jungleboyj: i blocked my calendar from 8AM to 10PM, because who want boring calls and meetings anyway | 16:57 |
| jungleboyj | avishay: :-) | 16:58 |
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| thingee | so I know avishay is going to have different TZ. winston will be in the US that time | 16:58 |
| thingee | is there anyone else outside the US? | 16:58 |
| coolsvap | I will have to take off from daytime work | 16:58 |
| thingee | ok, we're running low on time. we can take the TZ talk to #openstack-cinder | 16:59 |
| kmartin | I will let hemna know that he has to participate | 16:59 |
| thingee | kmartin: :) | 16:59 |
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| avishay | cool, we're out of time | 17:00 |
| jgriffith | thanks everybody | 17:00 |
| jungleboyj | Wow, that was fast. | 17:00 |
| jgriffith | most of us are all here all day in #openstack-cinder so feel free to ping | 17:00 |
| jgriffith | #endmeeting | 17:00 |
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| rushiagr | :) | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Feb 5 17:00:47 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2014/cinder.2014-02-05-16.01.html | 17:00 |
| rushiagr | o/ | 17:00 |
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| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2014/cinder.2014-02-05-16.01.txt | 17:00 |
| DuncanT | thingee: GMT, as is dosaboy | 17:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2014/cinder.2014-02-05-16.01.log.html | 17:00 |
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| tjones | #startmeeting vmwareapi | 17:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Feb 5 17:01:06 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is tjones. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: vmwareapi)" | 17:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'vmwareapi' | 17:01 |
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| tjones | hi folks - hartsocks is out today so i'll be running the show. | 17:01 |
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| tjones | let's have a quick roll call ;-) | 17:01 |
| browne | hi, browne here | 17:02 |
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| rgerganov | hi folks | 17:02 |
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| tjones | lets wait a few for other folks | 17:03 |
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| tjones | the agenda is the usual - blueprints, bugs , reviews, and open discussion | 17:03 |
| tjones | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/VMwareAPI#Agenda | 17:03 |
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| tjones | lets start with blueprints | 17:04 |
| tjones | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack?searchtext=vmware | 17:04 |
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| tjones | i've been out for 2 weeks and was suprised to come back and find that the I-3 deadline for BP was yesterday. | 17:05 |
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| browne | my blueprint (vmware-encrypt-vcenter-passwords) got deferred out of icehouse | 17:05 |
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| tjones | looking at the list there are a few that are not approved that we need to try to work with the cores to get in if we can | 17:05 |
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| tjones | browne: yours is one | 17:05 |
| tjones | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/vmware-encrypt-vcenter-passwords | 17:06 |
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| tjones | another is image cache | 17:07 |
| tjones | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/vmware-image-cache-management | 17:07 |
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| browne | from rbryant's email, the only way to get into icehouse is to have 2 nova-core sponsors | 17:07 |
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| tjones | we can discuss with the core guys in utah about these 2 BP | 17:08 |
| browne | ok | 17:08 |
| tjones | browne: how done is the code? | 17:08 |
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| browne | say 70%, works buy still needs tweaks and unit test | 17:09 |
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| tjones | is there any changes to keystone for this or all nova? | 17:09 |
| browne | all nova | 17:09 |
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| tjones | ok how long until the 30% and the unit tests are done? | 17:10 |
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| browne | probably tomorrow | 17:11 |
| tjones | ok great! having the unit tests done will be a big help | 17:11 |
| tjones | any other BP that needs discussion? | 17:11 |
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| tjones | *waits* | 17:11 |
| tjones | ok moving to bugs | 17:12 |
| tjones | #topic bugs | 17:12 |
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| tjones | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bugs?field.tag=vmware | 17:12 |
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| tjones | anyone have a favorite bug that they would like to discuss? | 17:12 |
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| rgerganov | I have filed #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1275822 on Monday | 17:13 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1275822 in nova "VMware: redundant VC call after VM creation" [Low,Triaged] | 17:13 |
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| rgerganov | should be an easy fix that will save us one VC call | 17:13 |
| tjones | good one rgerganov | 17:14 |
| rgerganov | tjones, thanks :) | 17:14 |
| tjones | any other bugs? | 17:14 |
| tjones | this may be a quick meeting - though i do have some stuff i want to talk about in open discussion | 17:15 |
| tjones | ok lets do reviews | 17:15 |
| tjones | #topic reviews | 17:15 |
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| tjones | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/vmware-subteam-icehouse | 17:15 |
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| tjones | if you take a look at hartsocks report - there are a 6 waiting on core reviewers, 8 waiting on +1 (us to review), and 7 needing update | 17:16 |
| tjones | i know garyk has over 20 that are waiting for reviews | 17:17 |
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| rgerganov | gary sent an email earlier today with some important reviews that he has | 17:17 |
| tjones | this is part of what i wanted to discuss in open discussion - how do we get these things ready for core so we don't have to rebase every day? | 17:17 |
| browne | i'll try to do some review | 17:17 |
| tjones | one idea (that the cinder team was talking about in their meeting before this) is a review day where we get together and do reviews as a team | 17:18 |
| browne | that would be good | 17:19 |
| tjones | pick a day (not friday) and a time we can work together and get on google hangout or web ex or whatever and review at least the high prio things we need to get into icehouse | 17:19 |
| rgerganov | that would be hard because we are in different TZ | 17:19 |
| tjones | TZ is hard - in this meeting alone we have rgerganov in bulgaria, garyk in israel, browne in north carolina | 17:20 |
| tjones | even if we just did it for a few hours it may help | 17:20 |
| tjones | like 7amPST - 10am PST (since i am PST orriented) | 17:20 |
| rgerganov | that should be 5 - 8pm for me which is acceptable | 17:21 |
| browne | that would be fine for me. buy 7am is probably pretty rough for those on west coast | 17:21 |
| tjones | na we are tough :-) i was even thinking 6am | 17:21 |
| browne | :) | 17:22 |
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| tjones | any other ideas for cranking reviews out? | 17:22 |
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| rgerganov | it would be helpful if there is a review group | 17:22 |
| tjones | #topic open discussion | 17:22 |
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| rgerganov | because now we have to search for other's reviews | 17:22 |
| rgerganov | or we can just add each member of the team as reviewer | 17:22 |
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| tjones | i have a script that lists all vmware reviews that i can share. I can even tweak it to show the reviews you are not signed up for | 17:23 |
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| tjones | #action send out review script | 17:24 |
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| tjones | is there anything else people want to talk about? | 17:25 |
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| browne | nothing from me | 17:26 |
| tjones | *listens* | 17:26 |
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| rgerganov | I don't have anything as well | 17:27 |
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| tjones | ok well i guess this is the shortest meeting ever ;-) | 17:27 |
| rgerganov | tjones, good job :) | 17:27 |
| tjones | thanks guys - *see* you next week | 17:28 |
| tjones | #endmeeting | 17:28 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Feb 5 17:28:03 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:28 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vmwareapi/2014/vmwareapi.2014-02-05-17.01.html | 17:28 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vmwareapi/2014/vmwareapi.2014-02-05-17.01.txt | 17:28 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vmwareapi/2014/vmwareapi.2014-02-05-17.01.log.html | 17:28 |
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| SridarK | Folks for FWaaS meeting - will start in a few mins | 18:02 |
| SridarK | Sumit is just wrapping up something else shd be on soon | 18:02 |
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| RajeshMohan | SridarK: I have a clash. I will jump for my updates | 18:04 |
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| SridarK | RajeshMohan: sounds good | 18:05 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | hi | 18:05 |
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| SridarK | Hi SumitNaiksatam: | 18:05 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK gduan RajeshMohan: there? | 18:05 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: hi | 18:05 |
| RajeshMohan | SumitNaiksatam: Hi | 18:05 |
| gduan | Hi | 18:05 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hi guys | 18:05 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | sorry was running a few mins late | 18:05 |
| SumitNaiksatam | lets get started | 18:06 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #startmeeting Networking FWaaS | 18:06 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Feb 5 18:06:06 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SumitNaiksatam. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:06 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:06 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking_fwaas' | 18:06 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic temptest testing | 18:06 |
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| beyounn | hi | 18:06 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK did some great work over the past few days testing FWaaS and VPNaaS | 18:06 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | beyounn: hi | 18:07 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: do you have the link handy to the wiki page you posted? | 18:07 |
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| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Quantum/FWaaS/Testing | 18:07 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: thanks, also do you want to give a quick update to the team on the work you did? | 18:07 |
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| SridarK | Sure | 18:07 |
| SridarK | basic VPNaaS & FWaaS integration looks good | 18:08 |
| SridarK | outlined in the wiki | 18:08 |
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| SridarK | also ran tempest API tests with baseline and FWaaS enabled | 18:08 |
| SridarK | no changes | 18:08 |
| SridarK | still trying to run the full suite | 18:08 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: great | 18:09 |
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| SridarK | run into some issues there - WIP | 18:09 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: would it be possible to document what you running in the tempests tests | 18:09 |
| pcm_ | SridarK: nice! | 18:09 |
| SridarK | surely | 18:09 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: no necessarily the output, but what scripts you are running | 18:09 |
| SridarK | will add the tempest runs as another section in the wiki | 18:09 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: or what subset of tests you are running | 18:09 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: that was other members can perhaps try and reproduce as well | 18:10 |
| SridarK | basically ran all the network API tests | 18:10 |
| SumitNaiksatam | *way | 18:10 |
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| SridarK | sure will do SumitNaitsatam: | 18:10 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: great, thanks for your hard work on this | 18:10 |
| SridarK | No worries at all | 18:11 |
| SridarK | Thats all on this topic | 18:11 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | for all those whoever at the neutron IRC meeting on last Monday, we brought this up with the PTL | 18:11 |
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| SridarK | i should also thank pcm_ for pointing me to the VPNaaS setup magic | 18:11 |
| SumitNaiksatam | but we did not get a clear direction whether fwaas will be enabled right away at the gate or not | 18:11 |
| pcm_ | SridarK: np | 18:12 |
| SumitNaiksatam | pcm_: thanks so much, greatly appreciated! | 18:12 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | pcm_: please continue helping and participating ;-P | 18:12 |
| pcm_ | SumitNaiksatam: sure. trying to keep VPN and FW in sync :) | 18:12 |
| SumitNaiksatam | pcm_: absolutely | 18:12 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so regarding the gate, we will wait watch | 18:13 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | i saw some merges starting to go through | 18:13 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i am not sure if this is on account of the fixes for the kernel issue | 18:13 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | but, we seem to be making progress, so i think once we get more stable and predictable, i think we check back with the PTL on this | 18:14 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | once fwaas is enabled on the gate, the tempest test patches which have been posted by yair can be reviewed | 18:15 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | we probably need to invite the tempest folks including miguel to this meeting to sync up | 18:15 |
| SumitNaiksatam | anyone else has any more thoughts on this? | 18:16 |
| SumitNaiksatam | gduan beyounn: do you have any dependency to run your 3rd party testing on the tempest tests? | 18:16 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | i mean fwaas tempest tests | 18:16 |
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| RajeshMohan | SridarK: Can you document how to run fwaas tempest? | 18:17 |
| gduan | I am having an error running tempest | 18:17 |
| RajeshMohan | SridarK: We can try to run some part in parallel | 18:17 |
| gduan | Seems to be a known bug | 18:17 |
| gduan | ImportError: cannot import name all | 18:17 |
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| SridarK | RajeshMohan: surely | 18:17 |
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| SridarK | speaking of parallel, i ran things serially | 18:18 |
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| gduan | I will try to figure it out today | 18:18 |
| SridarK | :-) | 18:18 |
| RajeshMohan | SridarK: :-) | 18:18 |
| SridarK | just to make sure we did not have any synchronization issues | 18:18 |
| SumitNaiksatam | gduan: if its a known issue its fine | 18:18 |
| SridarK | After whick i started running all things | 18:18 |
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| SridarK | we can sync up offline | 18:19 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | gduan: i was specifically asking about fwaas tempest tests, which currently we don't have (patches posted) but might be needed for your driver | 18:19 |
| SumitNaiksatam | gduan: anyway, we can sync up offline if that becomes an issue | 18:20 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ok moving on | 18:20 |
| SumitNaiksatam | oh before that | 18:20 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: whats the plan for the next week | 18:20 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ? | 18:20 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: are you running the pending tests? | 18:20 |
| SridarK | I want to try to wrap up the complete runs | 18:21 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: great | 18:21 |
| SridarK | not sure how relevant all of that will be | 18:21 |
| SridarK | need to get on the CLI work soon after | 18:21 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | #action Sridar to quickly wrap pending run of tests, and document running tempests tests | 18:21 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: i think even if you do the documentation on running the tests, others can also pick up the work | 18:22 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic service_type framework | 18:22 |
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| SridarK | will do that right away | 18:22 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: thanks much | 18:22 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/60699/ | 18:22 |
| SumitNaiksatam | gduan: i did a recheck on your patch yesterday | 18:22 |
| gduan | SumitNaiksatam: Thanks | 18:23 |
| SumitNaiksatam | gduan: the fix for the bug which your patch was failing on was fortunately merged | 18:23 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | gduan: so your jenkins likes your patch now :-) | 18:23 |
| gduan | SumitNaiksatam: right. seems all passed except non-voting ones | 18:23 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | gduan: i am still not convinced about the point regarding the uncommented configuration in the neutron.conf | 18:24 |
| SumitNaiksatam | gduan: we might have to make devstack changes regardless | 18:25 |
| gduan | SumitNaiksatam: Ok | 18:25 |
| SumitNaiksatam | gduan: but this particular configuration should not have to be left uncommented in the neutron.conf if its already the default | 18:25 |
| SumitNaiksatam | gduan: but perhaps you have a different perspective | 18:25 |
| SumitNaiksatam | gduan: i was following the precedence which has been set with lbaas | 18:26 |
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| gduan | SumitNaiksatam: right. I think another reviewer also asked me to add a line there | 18:26 |
| SumitNaiksatam | gduan: apart from that, are there any other issues? | 18:26 |
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| gduan | SumitNaiksatam: no | 18:27 |
| SumitNaiksatam | gduan: ok good, perhaps you can ping nachi and enikanorov__ to take a look | 18:27 |
| gduan | SumitNaiksatam: Sure | 18:27 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK RajeshMohan beyounn can also please review gduan's patch and provide comments? | 18:28 |
| SridarK | sure | 18:28 |
| RajeshMohan | SumitNaiksatam:Will do | 18:28 |
| SumitNaiksatam | we need to push this patch forward as a team, since RajeshMohan's patch depends on this | 18:28 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK RajeshMohan: thanks | 18:28 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | gduan: so you will check if any devstack changes need to be made? | 18:29 |
| SumitNaiksatam | gduan: and accordingly follow up | 18:29 |
| gduan | SumitNaiksatam: I will | 18:29 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | gduan: to test this, were you using the an unmodified devstack install, or were you making any local changes? | 18:30 |
| gduan | SumitNaiksatam: I did change neutron.conf and restart neutron | 18:31 |
| SumitNaiksatam | gduan: ok, to add the fwaas service type configuration | 18:31 |
| gduan | SumitNaiksatam: so I think we need make the reference driver as default setting is q_fwaas is enabled | 18:31 |
| SumitNaiksatam | gduan: yeah, that was my thinking | 18:31 |
| gduan | SumitNaiksatam: Will do | 18:32 |
| SumitNaiksatam | gduan: thanks much, good to get this change in the devstack queue at the earliest | 18:32 |
| gduan | SumitNaiksatam: OK | 18:33 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | gduan: no horizon changes, right? | 18:34 |
| SumitNaiksatam | gduan: also, any doc changes? | 18:35 |
| gduan | SumitNaiksatam: no. Unless we want to add that option somehow | 18:35 |
| SumitNaiksatam | gduan: i don't think so | 18:35 |
| SumitNaiksatam | gduan: but documentation? | 18:35 |
| gduan | SumitNaiksatam: agree | 18:35 |
| gduan | SumitNaiksatam: A wiki page? | 18:35 |
| SumitNaiksatam | gduan: no i meant the admin guide, in the FWaaS section | 18:35 |
| SumitNaiksatam | gduan: if we were mentioning the fwaas driver configuration before, we will need to update that | 18:36 |
| SumitNaiksatam | gduan: i think we were | 18:36 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | gduan: should be a quick change, will give you exposure to the documentation side of things as well :-) | 18:37 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | RajeshMohan: any other dependency your patch on has no gduan's (apart from it having to merge)? | 18:37 |
| gduan | SumitNaiksatam: OK. I will find it out | 18:37 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | gduan: thanks | 18:38 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | ok moving on | 18:38 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Service Insertion and Firewall | 18:38 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/62599/ | 18:39 |
| SumitNaiksatam | RajeshMohan: any updates on the patch? | 18:39 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | RajeshMohan: i believe the patch needs to be rebased and revived? | 18:39 |
| RajeshMohan | SumitNaiksatam: Yes | 18:40 |
| SumitNaiksatam | RajeshMohan: in addition to the changes we had discussed | 18:40 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | RajeshMohan: any new issues or are you good on that? | 18:40 |
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| RajeshMohan | SumitNaiksatam: I am mainly focusing on moving to new patch but could not put enough time on it last week | 18:41 |
| SumitNaiksatam | RajeshMohan: ok | 18:41 |
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| RajeshMohan | SumitNaiksatam: I got caught on some internal tasks. I will rebase (to gdaun's patch) and post the new patch | 18:42 |
| SumitNaiksatam | btw, i forgot to add a couple of action items earlier | 18:42 |
| SumitNaiksatam | RajeshMohan: great thanks | 18:42 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so from the previous topic - | 18:42 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #action gduan to post devstack patch for driver configuration, check documentation impact | 18:42 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #action gduan to follow up with other reviewers, mainly nati_ueno and enikanorov__ | 18:43 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ok coming back to this topic | 18:43 |
| SumitNaiksatam | lets quickly discuss the Client and the CLI | 18:43 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: you have a start on this? | 18:43 |
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| SridarK | RajeshMohan: and i had discussion on Fri | 18:44 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: ok | 18:44 |
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| SridarK | i shd get started on this today / tormorrow | 18:44 |
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| enikanorov__ | gduan: i'll review | 18:44 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: possible to quickly update here? and perhaps capture high level details in a wiki page? | 18:45 |
| SumitNaiksatam | enikanorov__: thanks | 18:45 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i would also like to set aside some time to discuss the horizon changes | 18:46 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | perhaps a separate meeting | 18:46 |
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| SridarK | will do so | 18:46 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i would like to get input from everyone on that | 18:46 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | RajeshMohan: more specifically from you, since you want to be able to support L2 insertion use case as well | 18:47 |
| SridarK | wanted to circulate the potential CLI options to discuss with the team first | 18:47 |
| RajeshMohan | SumitNaiksatam:ok | 18:47 |
| SumitNaiksatam | RajeshMohan: so horizon should not just have the provision for the router context i believe | 18:47 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: sure | 18:47 |
| RajeshMohan | SumitNaiksatam:agree | 18:48 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: it will be good to have the CLI examples in the wiki page | 18:48 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | #action SridarK RajeshMohan to capture CLI proposal for firewall insertion in wiki | 18:49 |
| gduan | RajeshMohan: we'd like to see the L2 senario too | 18:49 |
| SridarK | Yes once we have some discussions and are in agreement will put it on to th wiki | 18:49 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: sorry to many action items for you :-P | 18:49 |
| SridarK | no worries | 18:49 |
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| SridarK | L2 is important for us as well | 18:50 |
| SumitNaiksatam | gduan: yeah, lets all discuss the CLI and horizon options (keep an eye for the wiki that SridarK will post on the CLI/client) | 18:50 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | RajeshMohan SridarK: anything more to discuss on this? | 18:50 |
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| SridarK | nothing from me | 18:50 |
| SumitNaiksatam | RajeshMohan: as with the service type patch, we will probably need devstack changes as well? | 18:50 |
| SumitNaiksatam | RajeshMohan: or we will plan to keep the default to insertion on all routers? | 18:51 |
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| RajeshMohan | SumitNaiksatam: we should avoid devstack changes | 18:52 |
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| RajeshMohan | SumitNaiksatam: given the time | 18:52 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | RajeshMohan: ok, as long we are consistent with the understanding of the default configuration | 18:53 |
| SumitNaiksatam | RajeshMohan: but i think we will need to update the documentation | 18:54 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | RajeshMohan: we can revisit this once we make progress with the patch | 18:54 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | RajeshMohan: the documentation changes are only relevant after the patch is merged | 18:54 |
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| RajeshMohan | SumitNaiksatam: sure. if we have time, we can attempt to do devstack as well | 18:55 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | #action RajeshMohan to scope out documentation changes for firewall insertion patch | 18:55 |
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| RajeshMohan | SumitNaiksatam: ok | 18:55 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Custom objects | 18:56 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | Yi, there? | 18:56 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i think yi dropped off | 18:56 |
| SumitNaiksatam | gduan: anything you wanted to update or bring up on his behalf? | 18:56 |
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| gduan | SumitNaiksatam: no | 18:56 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Open Discussion | 18:57 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | btw, just a reminder, the feature proposal freeze deadline is Feb 18th | 18:57 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | in case we want to propose anything new | 18:57 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | i am not sure if the client/CLI is covered by this freeze | 18:58 |
| SumitNaiksatam | but we need to post a patch regardless to go with the firewall insertion patch | 18:58 |
| SumitNaiksatam | folks, anything else? | 18:59 |
| SridarK | yes agreed will assume that Feb 18 holds for CLI as well | 18:59 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: great, thanks | 18:59 |
| SumitNaiksatam | okay, thanks all! | 18:59 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | #endmeeting | 19:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Feb 5 19:00:00 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_fwaas/2014/networking_fwaas.2014-02-05-18.06.html | 19:00 |
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| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_fwaas/2014/networking_fwaas.2014-02-05-18.06.txt | 19:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_fwaas/2014/networking_fwaas.2014-02-05-18.06.log.html | 19:00 |
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| notmyname | swift meeting time | 19:00 |
| SumitNaiksatam | catch you all over emails, and over the reviews! | 19:00 |
| SumitNaiksatam | bye | 19:00 |
| notmyname | #startmeeting swift | 19:00 |
| SridarK | thanks bye | 19:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Feb 5 19:00:39 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is notmyname. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'swift' | 19:00 |
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| notmyname | hello world! | 19:00 |
| tristanC | hello! | 19:01 |
| peluse | hola! | 19:01 |
| chmouel | bonsoir! | 19:01 |
| acoles | hi | 19:01 |
| dirk | ehlo! | 19:01 |
| torgomatic | erf | 19:01 |
| portante | hello | 19:01 |
| notmyname | looks like we have a full agenda for this meeting | 19:01 |
| notmyname | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Swift | 19:01 |
| notmyname | but maybe some of it will go quickly (here's hoping ;-) | 19:01 |
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| notmyname | first, as a general update... | 19:02 |
| notmyname | swift 1.12 was released last week. | 19:02 |
| peluse | sweet | 19:02 |
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| notmyname | a few days later than expected because of the gate issues | 19:02 |
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| notmyname | seems that gate issues have lessened somewhat, but that's (AFAIK) mostly because of the limitation on concurrent patches being tested | 19:02 |
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| notmyname | that means less gate resets and therefore faster processing | 19:03 |
| tongli | @notmyname, hi john. | 19:03 |
| portante | notmyname: does it mean less stable code being committed? | 19:03 |
| notmyname | there will be some trimming of the jobs that are run, so that should also help | 19:03 |
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| portante | still many rechecks | 19:03 |
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| notmyname | yes, there are many rechecks. but zuul is just testing the top XX patches in the gate instead of all of them. that means more nodes available for when resets happen in eg the top 10 patches | 19:04 |
| notmyname | improvements, but IMO no fundamental systemic changes | 19:04 |
| notmyname | anyway, that's all I got on that | 19:04 |
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| notmyname | seems like there are some discussions that may affect us to some degree in the TC and BoD about "what is openstack core", but I'll keep you up to date on that as new things happen | 19:05 |
| notmyname | just stuff I'm keeping my eye on | 19:05 |
| notmyname | so let's move on to the agenda items. anything else can go to open discussion at the end if we have time | 19:06 |
| notmyname | #topic storage policy status | 19:06 |
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| notmyname | we've got about 8 weeks until the Icehouse RC is due | 19:06 |
| peluse | so the EC branch was recently rebased (thanks torgomatic) and 3 patches were marged since | 19:06 |
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| notmyname | good | 19:06 |
| peluse | there are now 5 policy patches ready for final review | 19:06 |
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| notmyname | status pon the account status rollup and the policy reconciler? | 19:07 |
| peluse | beyond that, I have one todo (account roll-up) and torgomatic can speak to SLO/DLO | 19:07 |
| zaitcev | So sorry not reviewing that. | 19:07 |
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| peluse | ahh, acct rollup is WIP. torgomatic has the SLO/DLO and container reconciler | 19:07 |
| notmyname | DLO was just approved I think | 19:07 |
| notmyname | SLO is merged | 19:07 |
| notmyname | torgomatic: right? | 19:08 |
| peluse | cool | 19:08 |
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| peluse | so that would mean 5 in need of final review, 2 WIP and from there I think we are ready to make the call on merge to master | 19:08 |
| torgomatic | SLO is done and merged, DLO has had troubles merging, but we've been hitting it with the reverify plunger, and it'll go in eventually | 19:08 |
| peluse | well... docs too :) | 19:08 |
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| notmyname | it would be a good idea for people to start taking a look at the branch (feature/ec). after the rollup and reconciler land, the feature/ec branch needs to be proposed for merge into master | 19:08 |
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| peluse | torgomatic: have you had a chance to look at the container reconciler (clayg said he thought you were doing it) | 19:09 |
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| torgomatic | I think object versioning can live without being hoisted into middleware, FWIW... when I looked at the code I didn't see that it was necessary | 19:09 |
| torgomatic | peluse: yeah, I've started poking at it, but nothing interesting enough for Gerrit yet | 19:09 |
| notmyname | I expect that merge process to take a few weeks, then we should be able to let it sit for a couple of weeks before the Icehouse RC | 19:09 |
| peluse | great, lets get those reviews going. the 5 that are up there are small compared to the last several | 19:10 |
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| notmyname | am I missing anything on storage policies here that are necessary before the merge to master? | 19:10 |
| peluse | i think Trello is up to date - all required are in doing or code review or done | 19:10 |
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| peluse | well, docs... need to start on that. I'll do so after th 5 up there land | 19:11 |
| notmyname | #link https://trello.com/b/LlvIFIQs/swift-erasure-codes-and-storage-policies | 19:11 |
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| notmyname | ok, so keep reviewing, finish up the patches for the last bit of functionality, and we're on track for storage policies in Icehouse. yay! | 19:12 |
| zaitcev | I'm pondering if I ought to ask peluse or someone else on EC crew to trade reviews with me. I was sitting on that 47713 since before last Hackathon! | 19:12 |
| peluse | rock n roll | 19:12 |
| peluse | yup, can do that zaitcev | 19:12 |
| notmyname | thanks peluse | 19:12 |
| zaitcev | awesome, I always wanted to learn about EC more, too. | 19:12 |
| notmyname | #topic EC status | 19:13 |
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| notmyname | a follow-on to storage policies | 19:13 |
| peluse | zaitcev: the time is coming.... EC has a few small things on gerrit but not up for review yet | 19:13 |
| notmyname | peluse: anything here? | 19:13 |
| peluse | tushar and keving have been banging on it and should have PUT path ready for review soon.. Tushar? | 19:13 |
| tgohad | notmyname: Kevin and I have been finalizing the pyeclib stuff | 19:13 |
| notmyname | good | 19:13 |
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| tgohad | I will have stuff rebased and posted up on geritt first thing next week | 19:14 |
| peluse | note: for everyone that didn't catch it, the EC branch only has policy stuff now and we won't be landing EC work there until policies move to master | 19:14 |
| notmyname | good point. thanks for mentioning that | 19:14 |
| peluse | yeah, in case folks were looking for ec code on the ec branch, go figure :) | 19:14 |
| notmyname | also, when we get storage policies merged into master, I want to do a retrospecitve to see if the long-running feature branch is a good idea for us | 19:15 |
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| tgohad | zaitcev: if you could review ec/pyeclib discussion on trello, that will be cool | 19:15 |
| peluse | sound good | 19:15 |
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| notmyname | anything else on EC to report? | 19:15 |
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| zaitcev | tgohad: I have account but do not quite understand how Trello works. I'll look into it today. | 19:15 |
| notmyname | peluse: or tgohad? | 19:15 |
| tgohad | I have started an rst for EC design | 19:15 |
| peluse | don't think so... | 19:16 |
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| notmyname | k | 19:16 |
| peluse | zaitcev: its just a bunch of semi-organized discussion. we're not using super wiz bang features | 19:16 |
| tgohad | zaitcev: let one of us know if you have issues accessing | 19:16 |
| notmyname | any questions on storage policies, EC, or the plans here before we move on? raise your hand so I know you have a question and don't move on too fast | 19:17 |
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| notmyname | ok, moving on | 19:17 |
| notmyname | #topic python-swiftclient port to requests | 19:18 |
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| notmyname | tristanC has been working on this | 19:18 |
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| notmyname | the reason has started with wanting to do cert validation | 19:18 |
| briancline | what does it use currently? | 19:18 |
| zaitcev | What does it mean? | 19:18 |
| notmyname | httplib | 19:18 |
| notmyname | tristanC: want to give a summary here? | 19:18 |
| tristanC | notmyname: yes sure | 19:19 |
| dirk | requests is also providing a much nicer (more pythonic) API | 19:19 |
| briancline | indeed | 19:19 |
| tristanC | as of now, python-swiftclient does not verify ssl certificate, allowing mitm attacks | 19:19 |
| notmyname | (also resulting in it being dropped from debian packaging) | 19:19 |
| zaitcev | They should've called it something that was obviously a name or symbol. Like bagels. Then you port to bagels. | 19:19 |
| tristanC | an attempt have been made to fixes this within current implementation, but the validation wasn't done properly and the patch was not working when actually transfering data | 19:19 |
| notmyname | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/69187 | 19:20 |
| tristanC | well, most openstack client are now using requests for http[s] requests, so here is the port to requests ^ | 19:20 |
| chmouel | tristanC: can you list the current issues iwth ssl and 100 expect? | 19:21 |
| notmyname | so there are 2 downsides to using requests. tristanC can you go over them? (ssl compression and 100-continue) | 19:21 |
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| zaitcev | okay... I guess I'll review after the policies then | 19:21 |
| tristanC | yes, as explain on the swift agenda wiki page, there are two remaining issue | 19:21 |
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| tristanC | First, ssl_compression. It isn't controllable anymore, as it should be disabled by default | 19:22 |
| notmyname | and so it's always disabled now? | 19:22 |
| zaitcev | How can SSL compression be a "downside" when any expert you ask says just disable it and forget it ever existed. Bah, done. | 19:22 |
| notmyname | zaitcev: right. just a change from existing swiftclient behavior | 19:22 |
| notmyname | I think this issue should be noted, but isn't too concerning, from what I know of it | 19:23 |
| tristanC | notmyname: not always sadly, old system like debian 7 does compress ssl traffic | 19:23 |
| dirk | tristanC: any system that has security updates installed from < 1 year ago should have ssl compression disabled | 19:23 |
| tristanC | dirk: correct | 19:23 |
| notmyname | tristanC: ah, so you get whatever the underlying system does? | 19:23 |
| torgomatic | "to disable SSL compression, please switch to a completely different operating system" <-- fun times | 19:24 |
| tristanC | notmyname: as I said, ssl_compression is not controllable with requests as of now | 19:24 |
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| * torgomatic actually isn't too worried about it | 19:24 | |
| notmyname | ok, so we lose functionality on older systems by moving to requests wrt ssl compression | 19:24 |
| torgomatic | cert validation >> toggling SSL compression IMO | 19:25 |
| briancline | debian 7 old? | 19:25 |
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| notmyname | does anything think this ssl compression issues is a showstopper for the port to requests? | 19:26 |
| chmouel | maybe the HP guys if they are around since they were the one concerned hte most by the feature | 19:26 |
| notmyname | (obviously the official vote there is in gerrit, but I wanted to bring it up here) | 19:26 |
| notmyname | chmouel: good point. it would be good to get acoles to look at tit | 19:27 |
| notmyname | and it | 19:27 |
| briancline | just to be clear -- is requests forcing it to be used? or is it providing the option to whereas that option was not present before? | 19:27 |
| notmyname | tristanC: so 100-continue support | 19:27 |
| dirk | briancline: requests forces compression to be off all times, as it should be | 19:28 |
| chmouel | briancline: the function is only available with python3.2+ version | 19:28 |
| acoles | chmouel: notmyname: i'll run it by the relevant hp folks | 19:28 |
| notmyname | acoles: thanks | 19:28 |
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| tristanC | And the second issue, is that requests does not support the "except: 100-continue" header | 19:28 |
| notmyname | dirk: well, tristanC said it ends up being on for debian 7 | 19:28 |
| notmyname | tristanC: that one concerns me a little more | 19:29 |
| notmyname | tristanC: isn't there an unadressed issue open with requests to support it? | 19:29 |
| torgomatic | is expect-100-continue the sort of thing that we'd get for free later if requests ever did support it, or would we need extra plumbing in swiftclient? | 19:29 |
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| chmouel | torgomatic: I think we will get for free | 19:30 |
| tristanC | notmyname: agree, and the patch that disable ssl_compression once and for all is good to go for python3.2+. For the other version there is solution in pyopenssl contrib module of requests. Though I haven't test this | 19:30 |
| notmyname | 100-continue support isn't something we can require clients to use, but it sure would be nice if the official client app actually supported it | 19:30 |
| briancline | rather than waiting around for it, perhaps it'd be a good idea to contribute towards it to make it happen in its rightful place (requests) | 19:30 |
| tristanC | torgomatic: current implementation of httplib in swiftclient does not do any plumbing (as the 100-continue is controlled by requests header) | 19:30 |
| notmyname | briancline: thanks for doing that ;-) | 19:30 |
| notmyname | briancline: but yes, I agree :-) | 19:31 |
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| torgomatic | as long as we don't end up with some annoying compatibility shim for old/new versions of requests, that's okay by me | 19:31 |
| zaitcev | I'll have to read on this more, I have no clue what we're talking about. It was my view that 100-continue was absolutely essential for PUT, because otherwise errors cannot be sanely reported. So it's very amazing that any HTTP library would not support it. | 19:31 |
| chmouel | #link https://github.com/mikeal/request/issues/611 | 19:31 |
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| notmyname | so same question on this point: does anyone see lack of support for 100-continue in requests is a showstopper for porting swiftclient to use requests? | 19:32 |
| chmouel | or maybe that's not the one | 19:32 |
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| chmouel | #link https://github.com/kennethreitz/requests/issues/713 | 19:32 |
| chmouel | the good link ^ | 19:32 |
| notmyname | zaitcev: it allows early failure, so yes it's very important for sane clients to use when they are uploading lots of data | 19:32 |
| tristanC | zaitcev: 100-continue purpose is to avoid sending the full body before having an error. | 19:32 |
| zaitcev | notmyname, tristanC: exactly my recollection too | 19:33 |
| notmyname | to me it's kinda like the boto default that was reported today (a default makes a bunch of extra requests to S3, resulting in higher bills). I'd like our client to do the Right Thing (tm) | 19:34 |
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| notmyname | tristanC: thanks for bringing these up | 19:35 |
| tristanC | notmyname: you're very welcome | 19:35 |
| notmyname | any more questions or discussions for this meeting on porting python-swiftclient to use the reuqests library? | 19:35 |
| portante | notmyname: FWIWs, going forward with requests seems sane to me | 19:35 |
| portante | we work on contributing 100-Continue to requests for the future | 19:35 |
| chmouel | portante: +1 | 19:35 |
| notmyname | I agree | 19:36 |
| zaitcev | "We" being Tristan or...? | 19:36 |
| notmyname | zaitcev: briancline volunteered I think ;-) | 19:36 |
| portante | zaitcev: yes, the royal "we" of folks concerned about swift who want a client that uses 100-Continue | 19:36 |
| portante | briancline: I would be willing to review the work on requests to get that 100-Continue support in, and/or help you as you see fit. | 19:37 |
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| notmyname | actually briancline was just the unlucky one to mention doing a patch upstream first | 19:37 |
| notmyname | creiht: around for py3 discussion? | 19:37 |
| * portante continues to push him forward ... | 19:37 | |
| notmyname | #topic python3 ins wift | 19:38 |
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| notmyname | #topic python3 in swift | 19:38 |
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| notmyname | lots of talk here in the larger openstack community | 19:38 |
| notmyname | we've held off on py3 support in swiftclient so far, but I think that would be the first place to support it | 19:39 |
| portante | is a switch to asyncio (aka tulip the only game in town)? | 19:39 |
| * portante put the last paren in the wrong place | 19:39 | |
| zaitcev | I switched a couple of simple apps to py3 in order to warm up. Seemed like painless enough -- unless you want to support 2.6 too. Then it's try:-expect: all over the place. | 19:39 |
| torgomatic | gevent is supposedly working on py3 compatibility, and it started life as a fork of eventlet, so that'd probably be our best bet for easy porting | 19:39 |
| chmouel | portante: for python3? no there is gevents supporting it | 19:39 |
| torgomatic | AFAIK eventlet has made no moves toward py3 at all | 19:40 |
| * portante in favor of gevent w py3 | 19:40 | |
| notmyname | "eventlet has made no moves" FTFY | 19:40 |
| zaitcev | Yeah, I had to drop eventlet for py3 and use the stock httpd. Swift can't do that though. | 19:40 |
| portante | unless of, course we move to jython and just use os threads directly. :) | 19:40 |
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| chmouel | portante: recipe for success | 19:41 |
| portante | =) | 19:41 |
| zaitcev | threads are not enough, we use the webserver parts of eventlet. | 19:41 |
| notmyname | I remember creiht or redbo had reasons for not using gevent because of something that it didn't do. I don't remember the details (and it doesn't seem like they are here to help | 19:41 |
| chmouel | I think swiftclient is the one we shoudl start focus | 19:42 |
| briancline | portante: zaitcev: notmyname: I can jump in on that upstream contribution as well, just gotta see what the state of their current issue on it is | 19:42 |
| notmyname | chmouel: agreed | 19:42 |
| torgomatic | chmouel: agreed | 19:42 |
| chmouel | cschwede_: do you know what's the status of removing the dependences from swiftclient on swift | 19:42 |
| portante | notmyname: the advantage of gevent in my mind is that we can switch to it on py2 and work out the quirks without the py3 changes as well | 19:42 |
| notmyname | portante: ya. because distros and install base we'll have to support py2 for quite a while | 19:42 |
| clayg | notmyname: gevent used to be libevent (which wasn't thread safe and we like threadpools) | 19:42 |
| cschwede_ | dependencies on swiftclient: i think it's ready for review: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/65660/ | 19:43 |
| clayg | gevent is now libev which is threadsafe and should be all freaking gravy | 19:43 |
| portante | it is now libev based, I belive | 19:43 |
| notmyname | clayg: cool! | 19:43 |
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| torgomatic | sounds good to me; so once gevent actually has py3 support finished, we port swiftclient and see how it goes? | 19:43 |
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| portante | swifterdarrell: what are your experiences with gevent and ssbench? | 19:43 |
| notmyname | I'd love to see a tech session on this, in depth, in Atlanta | 19:43 |
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| chmouel | The zen of the gevents | 19:44 |
| notmyname | torgomatic: and get cschwede_'s patch merged :-) | 19:44 |
| notmyname | ok, timecheck, let's keep moving on. just a little more to discuss | 19:44 |
| briancline | I do love gravy | 19:44 |
| portante | is it worth switching to gevent ahead of py3? | 19:45 |
| notmyname | #topic moving bin/ to swift/cli/ for testing goodness | 19:45 |
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| notmyname | cschwede_: you're in progress here | 19:45 |
| * portante is in favor of bin to cli | 19:45 | |
| cschwede_ | the recently landed patch to test swift-recon moved bin/swift-recon to swift/cli/recon | 19:45 |
| cschwede_ | I want to add more tests for scripts in bin/* and thus move more scripts to swift/cli/recon | 19:45 |
| cschwede_ | two questions popped up doing this: | 19:45 |
| cschwede_ | 1. should i just submit a single patch for moving all the scripts from bin/ to swift/cli/recon (should be easy to review) or move each script separately when adding a test? the first one would clean up everything and things would not be scattered all around | 19:45 |
| cschwede_ | 2. when testing scripts, should I only test functionality or also output from print statements? testing print output requires redirecting sys.stdout and somehow this doesn't feel correct to me. | 19:45 |
| * portante thinks cschwede_ can type pretty darn fast | 19:45 | |
| notmyname | heh | 19:46 |
| portante | =) | 19:46 |
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| clayg | maybe he had that like pasted up and ready before hand? | 19:46 |
| chmouel | cschwede_ is all the time ready | 19:46 |
| torgomatic | I'd rather see one thing at a time; if there's some 4000-line patch that moves everything, I'm gonna go find something else to review | 19:46 |
| torgomatic | there's not enough coffee in the world for that | 19:46 |
| chmouel | +1 | 19:46 |
| chmouel | very large patch tend to sit around forever in the Q | 19:46 |
| notmyname | cschwede_: there you go :-) | 19:47 |
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| cschwede_ | ok, so I'll will only move things when adding a test for it. | 19:47 |
| clayg | cschwede_: I don't think anything wrong with with getstdio(): do_stuff() assertEqual(mockio, expected) | 19:47 |
| clayg | cschwede_: so as you move them are you moving them from setuptools scripts to entry_scripts (or whatever it's called?) | 19:48 |
| torgomatic | sounds good; and if not everything moves (like bin/swift-object-server is maybe 2 LoC), then that doesn't bother me personally | 19:48 |
| clayg | does anyone have a link to the recent recon change that got merged? | 19:48 |
| cschwede_ | clayg: yes, adding it to console_scripts | 19:48 |
| clayg | cschwede_: yeah that's the business! | 19:48 |
| notmyname | cschwede_: thanks for tacking that task. those things have languished with no tests for too long | 19:48 |
| cschwede_ | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/62584/ | 19:48 |
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| torgomatic | https://github.com/openstack/swift/commit/cd4b4da8b6362e6621602a8b815bbeeea2000ff7 | 19:49 |
| notmyname | ok, quickly moving on. I think we have a direction here | 19:49 |
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| cschwede_ | thanks everyone! | 19:49 |
| notmyname | #topic hacking | 19:49 |
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| notmyname | dirk: you | 19:49 |
| notmyname | (this should be fast I think) | 19:49 |
| dirk | so the two sentence summary is.. | 19:49 |
| dirk | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/44757/ | 19:49 |
| notmyname | you've had a patch for about 2 years now? ;- | 19:49 |
| notmyname | ;-) | 19:50 |
| dirk | I sent this review about 4 months ago, then nothing happened | 19:50 |
| dirk | then I noticed that meanwhile apparently there was a decision to opt-in only | 19:50 |
| notmyname | ya | 19:50 |
| dirk | regarding hacking warnings and somebody mentioned that I should bring up the topic in the meeting here | 19:50 |
| dirk | so here it is :-) | 19:50 |
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| dirk | I think opt-out is overall the consensus in the wider range of openstack projects | 19:50 |
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| notmyname | turns out there isn't really a consensus, and there is strong support for the opt-in method | 19:51 |
| dirk | it might make sense for swift to go the same route as well. if there are new warnings that are bothering gating, they can be blacklisted until they can be resolved | 19:51 |
| notmyname | based on in-person conversations I've had recently | 19:51 |
| * torgomatic likes the opt-in idea | 19:51 | |
| notmyname | I much prefer opt-in. I think it's much more sustainable | 19:51 |
| zaitcev | How do we know if new cool tests come about? | 19:52 |
| chmouel | I prefer the opt-in too, some of the new rules are just weird (the dot in the commit message??) | 19:52 |
| clayg | but what if the add a "no bugs" hacking check and we forget to turn it on!? | 19:52 |
| dirk | those can be opted out | 19:52 |
| dirk | hacking is being release-managed pretty strictly | 19:52 |
| zaitcev | You know in Fedora we ruled that oneliners (such as RPM summary) MUST NOT end with a period. | 19:52 |
| briancline | no worries, we write bug-free code | 19:52 |
| dirk | new hacking checks are only introduced once per cycle | 19:52 |
| dirk | in a new minor release. patch level releases fixe bugs but do not add new checks | 19:52 |
| notmyname | dirk: then we'll only have to check them once per cycle to see if we want new ones ;-) | 19:53 |
| torgomatic | just because someone else decides that they don't like backslashes for line continuations doesn't mean it needs to be "resolved" in Swift, IMO | 19:53 |
| chmouel | torgomatic: +1 | 19:53 |
| torgomatic | but I'm happy to have automated checking of things that I care about | 19:53 |
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| clayg | wait, so some projects summary line DO end in a period? | 19:53 |
| dirk | notmyname: or check only once per cycle which ones should be blacklisted | 19:53 |
| torgomatic | hence my preference for use hacking, opt in to checks one at a time | 19:53 |
| notmyname | ok, ruling from the bench: we stick with opt-in for now | 19:53 |
| torgomatic | and this is why we have a single leader :) | 19:53 |
| zaitcev | yay | 19:54 |
| torgomatic | instead of a Project Technical Committee | 19:54 |
| briancline | aw | 19:54 |
| notmyname | #topic helpful gerrit queries (ie lets reduce the review queue) | 19:54 |
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| notmyname | torgomatic: you have some nice stuff here | 19:54 |
| torgomatic | #link https://gist.github.com/smerritt/8795447 | 19:54 |
| torgomatic | basically, looking through the list of pending stuff sucks because it's huge | 19:54 |
| torgomatic | these queries let me narrow things down | 19:54 |
| notmyname | I like the last one especially (patches with no core review yet) | 19:55 |
| torgomatic | and I can star reviews that I want to keep things moving on, and then find them easily later | 19:55 |
| torgomatic | that's about it; they're all pretty self-explanatory. Gerrit searches are pretty easy to read. | 19:55 |
| clayg | torgomatic: but those all say "torogomatic" | 19:55 |
| portante | that is his way of getting others to work for him | 19:56 |
| torgomatic | clayg: yeah, our Gerrit is too old to support the magic "self" user that just references whoever uses it | 19:56 |
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| portante | we get his review queue down and then he can have a coffee | 19:56 |
| notmyname | generalizing these helpful links.... | 19:56 |
| torgomatic | so s/torgomatic/$me/g and be happy :) | 19:56 |
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| torgomatic | that's all I have on this | 19:56 |
| clayg | torgomatic: I think that breaks the last one | 19:56 |
| portante | torgomatic: thanks | 19:56 |
| notmyname | it turns out that patches seem to languish if they don't have a "core sponsor". I'm not saying that's good or bad, and we don't have time to go into depth now. but it's something that we should identify and either embrace or fix | 19:56 |
| portante | I'd be happy to be a patch core sponsor | 19:57 |
| chmouel | by the way i have a generated rss of reviews here http://rss.chmouel/swift.xml | 19:57 |
| notmyname | but in the mean tim, using some of torgomatic's links will help with finding thing to review in order to reduce the review queue | 19:57 |
| chmouel | (served from swift) | 19:57 |
| briancline | +1 for fixing. are there just not enough hours in the day for current core reviewers? | 19:57 |
| notmyname | chmouel: I don't have a .chmouel TLD | 19:57 |
| portante | so how many core devs do we have? | 19:57 |
| cschwede_ | chmouel: http://rss.chmouel.com/swift.xml | 19:58 |
| chmouel | yeah sorry :) | 19:58 |
| clayg | hehehe | 19:58 |
| chmouel | but that's on my todo list (the TLD) | 19:58 |
| notmyname | portante: 12 cores | 19:58 |
| clayg | I think there'd be enough time if every swift core did reviews full time :P | 19:58 |
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| clayg | i haven't done any reviews *this week* | 19:58 |
| portante | clayg: that is what I am afraid of, right now | 19:58 |
| notmyname | I'd like to see a target of one review per day per core | 19:58 |
| clayg | can I just pick the one at the end of the list and -1 it | 19:59 |
| notmyname | but not all reviews take the same time, so that's not simple to apply | 19:59 |
| peluse | core reviewers need hypethreading | 19:59 |
| chmouel | i don't think all swift core are active | 19:59 |
| * torgomatic mostly just sits there | 19:59 | |
| * clayg waves to redbo | 19:59 | |
| portante | notmyname: the priority review queue might be good to have a core sponsor assigned | 19:59 |
| notmyname | http://russellbryant.net/openstack-stats/swift-reviewers-60.txt | 19:59 |
| notmyname | portante: that's a good idea | 19:59 |
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| clayg | portante: does stuff get on that list w/o some core at least like... idk sorta already keeping an eye on it? | 20:00 |
| notmyname | unfortunately we're out of time | 20:00 |
| chmouel | there is the swiftclient ones too as well | 20:00 |
| notmyname | chmouel: ya | 20:00 |
| notmyname | but this is something that we as a group need to be thinking about | 20:00 |
| notmyname | thank you everyone for attending and participating today | 20:00 |
| notmyname | #endmeeting | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 20:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Feb 5 20:00:48 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2014/swift.2014-02-05-19.00.html | 20:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2014/swift.2014-02-05-19.00.txt | 20:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2014/swift.2014-02-05-19.00.log.html | 20:00 |
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| briancline | lacking any process to get a core reviewer to sponsor/review something before it enters languish territory, and that there's not enough time in the day for most of them, it seems there should be a more intuitive way of getting more eyes on it | 20:01 |
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| chmouel | briancline: i thiknk we are continuing the discussion on openstack-swift | 20:02 |
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