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BobBallMorning matel15:00
BobBallnot sure if john can make it today15:00
BobBallhe's at the mid-cycle meetup15:00
matelGood afternoon.15:00
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BobBallAnd I can't remember Guillaume's nickname to see if he's here!15:00
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BobBall#startmeeting XenAPI15:01
openstackMeeting started Wed Feb 12 15:01:10 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is BobBall. Information about MeetBot at
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openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.15:01
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: XenAPI)"15:01
BobBallWell let's just get started15:01
openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'xenapi'15:01
BobBallI'm sure that John won't mind if I chair this week.15:01
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BobBallOK - first things first is always BPs is it not15:01
BobBall#topic BluePrints15:01
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BobBallthouveng: what's the latest15:01
thouvengI"m waiting for review :)15:02
BobBallSo the patches are finished pending review comments?15:02
thouvengI rebased the patch and bumped plugin version15:02
thouvengI think so15:02
BobBallWhat was the issue with ?15:02
BobBallThat had approval15:02
BobBalldid it just need a rebase?15:02
BobBallor am I missing something?15:03
thouvengI see it as a trivial rebase but I don't know why it is not approved15:03
BobBallit seems to have had 2 +2's on 5th Feb15:03
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BobBallbut never started gate jobs15:03
thouvengI modified the comment s/xenapi/XenAPI15:03
thouvengbut otherwise it was a trivial rebased for this one15:03
BobBallAh - that's a shame15:04
BobBallif you'd left the comment as-was then gerrit would have re-added the two +2's15:04
BobBalland it'd have been trivial to get a core to +A it!15:04
BobBallah well :)15:04
BobBallMaybe try and catch johnthetubaguy or _cerberus_ to see if they would be happy to +A it again15:05
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thouvengAnd how should I title the patch xenapi or XenAPI or we don't care?15:05
thouvengI saw both15:05
BobBalland just needs core reviews?15:05
BobBallIdeally XenAPI but I don't think it matters15:05
thouvengyes needs core review15:05
BobBallthis week might be tricky because it's the mid-cycle meetup15:06
BobBallbut hopefully the reviews will start again next week15:06
thouvengOk I see15:06
BobBallCertainly we can prod johnthetubaguy more easily15:06
BobBallAnyway - I'll give them a quick look too and +1 cuz I'm sure I'm happy with them15:07
BobBallOK - any more on BPs?15:07
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thouvengJust check testcases.15:07
BobBallWill do.15:07
thouvengThanks :). Nothing more15:07
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BobBall#topic Bugs & QA15:07
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BobBallmatel: do you want to give an update for the logs + thouveng on the CI work?15:08
matelAh, yes, but I think you did most of the work this week.15:08
BobBallwell I'll give my update first then15:09
BobBallI don't remember if I said last week - we've got a nodepool provisioning VMs in RAX just great now15:09
BobBallThey need some tweaks to match matel's expectations, but the theory is proven15:09
BobBallI've also got a new program up15:09
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BobBallBasically it was copied from the netscaler repository15:10
BobBallbut the only file that's useful is manage_openstack_gerrit.py15:10
BobBallit uses pygerrit to listen to the gerrit stream, adds test jobs to a mysql DB and walks them through the lifecycle before posting comments on gerrit.15:10
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BobBallIt all works!15:10
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BobBallNow we're focused on the integration with actually running the jobs - which is where Mate comes in15:10
BobBall(over to matel :) )15:11
thouvengWaow, great job15:11
matelYes, it was set up earlier, so we had some test runs earlier.15:11
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matelThe scripts are sitting here:
matelAt the moment, the only thing is left to execute the official setup script with nodepool, and extract the test runner from the repo above15:12
matelSo that Bob's Orchestrator can call that.15:12
matelI think we are really close, Bob, is copying the logs solved?15:12
BobBallWith a strong wind it might be starting to post tomorrow...15:13
matelOooh, slowww.15:13
BobBallif you give me logs on the node then I will copy them15:13
BobBallWhat I need on the node is:15:13
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matelOkay, so that's gonna be an easy step, okay.15:13
BobBallOK - let me rephrase that...15:13
BobBallWhat I want is to be able to trigger the test + close the SSH session15:13
BobBallThen I need to poll for a file existing containing the overall result ("Passed" / "Failed" / etc - possibly "Setup failure")15:14
matelOh, yes, I need to make sure, that whenever we run the test scripts, it will not leave any filedescriptors open.15:14
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BobBallOnce that file exists I need to be able to pull logs.tgz and testr_results.html.gz15:14
matelOkay, that sounds me as an extra step, that we need to take care of, but that shouldn't be an issue.15:15
BobBallI don't care about file dsecriptors - surely if I can put the running into the background then it's fine15:15
BobBallWhich extra step?15:15
BobBalltestr_results?  I assume that devstack-gate is creating those?15:15
matelTo pack together your tgzs, and create proper status file15:15
BobBalloh drat of course15:15
BobBallI forgot we're not using our test runner any more15:15
BobBallwhich already has that functionality!15:16
BobBallI'm quite happy to pack it myself if it's easier15:16
matelAnyhow, take it offline, the message for thouveng, is that we are getting really close, We expect to be able to vote within one week.15:16
BobBallIv'e got paramiko set up so it's easy to run commands over SSH15:16
thouvengReally cool, sounds great.15:16
BobBallNote: We won't be able to _vote_ since stability will need to be proven15:16
BobBallbut we will be commenting real soon now.15:17
matelOh, we can comment.15:17
matelCan't we?15:17
matelYes, so basically, it will mean, that anyone can see the results.15:17
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matelAnd that's important for us.15:17
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BobBallAnyway - good news everybody (please read that in your own head in the voice of Professor Farnsworth)15:18
BobBall#topic Open Discussion15:18
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BobBallIs there anything to talk about here15:18
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matelNot from my side atm15:19
BobBallGood good15:19
BobBallthouveng ?15:19
BobBallWell let's have a nice and short meeting so we can all get back to the grindstone then!15:19
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thouvengI'm waiting for review and trying to make some review on my side15:19
BobBallyes - I saw your reviews thouveng - thanks for doing that! Very useful!15:20
thouvengI'm trying :)15:20
BobBallAnyway - See you next week.  Same bat time, same bat channel.15:20
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openstackMeeting ended Wed Feb 12 15:20:39 2014 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at . (v 0.1.4)15:20
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SumitNaiksatamRajeshMohan SridarK gduan yisun there?18:01
SridarKHi SumitNaiksatam:18:01
SumitNaiksatamok lets get started18:01
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SumitNaiksatami am haiving trouble with my IRC client18:02
SumitNaiksatamso i am on webchat18:02
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SumitNaiksatamwill have to type more18:02
SumitNaiksatam#startmeeting Networking FWaaS18:02
openstackMeeting started Wed Feb 12 18:02:50 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is SumitNaiksatam. Information about MeetBot at
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SumitNaiksatamgaryduan: hi18:03
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SumitNaiksatamlets start with your patch18:03
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RajeshMohanHi all18:03
SumitNaiksatam#topic service_type framework18:03
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garyduanRegarding Eugene's comment18:03
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SumitNaiksatamgaryduan: i think we are stuck with enikanorov's comment18:04
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SumitNaiksatamgaryduan: can you ping him again?18:04
garyduanSumitNaiksatam: I can18:04
SumitNaiksatamgaryduan: we really need to move on now18:04
SumitNaiksatamgaryduan: gate is also doing better now, and RajeshMohan is waiting on this patch18:05
garyduanSumitNaiksatam: another option is to add upgrade to associate existing fw to default provider18:05
SumitNaiksatamgaryduan: can you set up an IRC meeting with enikanorov to discuss this?18:05
garyduanSumitNaiksatam: OK18:06
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SumitNaiksatamdid the other folks get a chance to review garyduan's patch?18:06
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SumitNaiksatamlets give our suggestions at the earliest so we wrap up the patch18:07
SumitNaiksatamgaryduan: separately lets try to ping nachi again as well18:07
garyduanSumitNaiksatam: sure18:08
SumitNaiksatamgaryduan: he has a similar patch for VPNaaS, so as long as we are in sync he should be fine for this as well18:08
garyduanSumitNaiksatam: right18:08
SumitNaiksatamsorry forgot to add link to patch18:09
ivoksdem doma18:09
pcm_I have a client side patchf or STF18:09
ivokssigh :)18:09
pcm_to go with Nachi's patch18:09
SumitNaiksatampcm_: ok18:09
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SumitNaiksatampcm_: are you find with garyduan's patch ^^^18:10
pcm_Just joined in, what's the link(sorry)?18:10
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enikanorovSumitNaiksatam: garyduan hi18:11
enikanorovi'm just walking by. how can i help?18:11
SumitNaiksatamenikanorov: thanks for joining, we are waiting on you for: #link
garyduanenikanorov: we are talking about the fwaas service framework patch18:11
pcm_garyduan: thanks. I'll look at it.18:12
enikanorovah, ok, yep, I have to say something on this18:12
enikanorovlet me quickly go over the comments18:12
garyduanenikanorov: regarding yours and Sumit's comments18:12
SumitNaiksatamenikanorov: thanks, we need to make a move on this patch since others a waiting on this18:12
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enikanorovok, so you think it's fine because of experimental status. i'm ok with that18:13
enikanorovi'll remove -118:13
SumitNaiksatamenikanorov: yeah, i dont think this in production anywhere yet (happy to be corrected)18:13
SumitNaiksatamenikanorov: so migration would not be a concern to me18:13
enikanorovand also we're now discussing flavors with markmcclain and salv-orlando, i think it will eventually take place of providers18:13
SumitNaiksatamwhat does the rest of the FWaaS team think18:14
SumitNaiksatamenikanorov: good to know, please include me in that discussion18:14
pcm_SumitNaiksatam: is the FWaaS STF in-line with the VPNaaS patches?18:14
garyduanenikanorov: just a name change?18:14
enikanorovyeah, it has just started but i think it going to have some implications18:14
enikanorovgaryduan: not really18:14
SumitNaiksatamenikanorov: while we still have STF, we would like to make sure FWaaS is compliant18:14
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enikanorovit's much more flexible and complex thing18:14
SumitNaiksatamenikanorov: we can eventually migrate along with the other services whenever they move to the new flavors or whatever it ends up being18:15
SumitNaiksatampcm_: my understanding is yes18:15
enikanorovSumitNaiksatam: i understand. I think i'll just write an email with the problem overview and you will decide if you want to move forward with STF or wait for flavors18:15
pcm_SumitNaiksatam: cool18:15
garyduanenikanorov: I think, it was mentioned in HK meeting, but like to know the detail18:16
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enikanorovgaryduan: flavors is something that was proposed at least a year ago18:16
SumitNaiksatamenikanorov: so we have to go with STF, you are +1 for the current patch?18:16
enikanorov(with a bit different name may be)18:16
enikanorovbut no one closely worked on this18:16
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enikanorovservice type fw, 'providers' is a simplistic implementation of this18:17
enikanorovSumitNaiksatam: i'll need to look closer to give +1 (i remember i found no issues except migration)18:17
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SumitNaiksatamenikanorov: ok, if you can take a few minutes at the earliest, would be much appreciated18:18
enikanorovsure i will18:18
SumitNaiksatamenikanorov: great thanks18:18
SumitNaiksatamgaryduan: anything else to discuss on this patch?18:19
garyduanThanks enikanorov and pcm_18:19
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pcm_do you guys have a corresponding client side change out for review?18:20
SumitNaiksatampcm_: no18:20
SumitNaiksatamrather, not yet18:20
garyduanpcm_: what is client side change?18:20
pcm_For VPNaaS we needed change to neutronclient too...
garyduanpcm_: OK18:21
garyduanpcm_: not for service framework18:21
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SumitNaiksatampcm_: we can add similar functionality for FWaaS as well, once server side patch is in18:22
pcm_yeah, just giving heads up18:22
SumitNaiksatampcm_: thanks18:22
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SumitNaiksatamok moving on18:22
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SumitNaiksatam#topic Service Insertion and Firewall18:23
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SumitNaiksatamRajeshMohan: you rebased the patch18:24
RajeshMohanI am working on the agent and driver side now18:24
SumitNaiksatamRajeshMohan: are you on track to respond to the review comments?18:24
SumitNaiksatamRajeshMohan: great18:24
SumitNaiksatamRajeshMohan: agent and driver side changes are hopefully not too many, right?18:25
RajeshMohanI have not closely looked at review comments18:25
RajeshMohan(since it is still WIP)18:25
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RajeshMohanI know I have to add unit tests to remove -2 from you18:25
SumitNaiksatamRajeshMohan: i think if the agent and driver side changes are small, they can all be in the same patch, no need to split further18:25
RajeshMohanAre there any other major comments18:25
RajeshMohanTHat is the plan18:26
RajeshMohanNext patch will have agent and driver changes18:26
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SumitNaiksatamRajeshMohan: nice18:26
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SumitNaiksatamRajeshMohan: as for comments, I dont think my comments on the validation have been fully addressed18:27
RajeshMohanSumitNaiksatam: Can you remove -2 and put -118:27
SumitNaiksatamRajeshMohan: we went back and forth several times on this18:27
RajeshMohanSumitNaiksatam: Ok.18:27
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RajeshMohanSumitNaiksatam: I will go through the comments again. I deferred some to do it as part service-tyep framework18:27
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SumitNaiksatamRajeshMohan: I believe we left at the point where you were going to fix it (after rebasing)18:28
SumitNaiksatamRajeshMohan: yeah18:28
SumitNaiksatamok moving on to the client/CLI18:28
SumitNaiksatamSridarK: hi18:28
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SridarKThe thought on the CLI is something like:18:28
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SridarKneutron firewall-create <policy-id> --service-context routers=<router-uuid- list> networks=<ne-uuid-tlist> subnets=<subnet-uuid-list> ports=<ports-uuid-list>18:29
SumitNaiksatamSridarK: that looks okay18:29
SumitNaiksatamSridarK: it will be more like:18:29
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SumitNaiksatamfirewall-create <policy-id> [--service-context [routers=<router-uuid- list>] [networks=<ne-uuid-tlist>] [subnets=<subnet-uuid-list> ports=<ports-uuid-list>]]18:31
SridarKyes ofcourse18:31
SumitNaiksatamSridarK: meant to indicate that the context is optional18:31
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SridarKabsoultely that was the intent18:31
SumitNaiksatamSridarK: and that when the context is specified, not all types are required18:31
SumitNaiksatamSridarK: yeah i am sure you meant that18:31
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SumitNaiksatamSridarK: just wanted to clarify my understanding18:32
SridarKyes, i have some json dumps from RajeshMohan:18:32
SumitNaiksatamRajeshMohan, garyduan: does that look ok?18:32
SridarKso will get a patch pushed out in the next couple of days18:32
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RajeshMohanSumitNaiksatam: Just to highlight - it slightly deviates from outPI design. IN API, the list of insertion types (routers, ports) can be anything by changing validtors (without changing API). But CLI has to change if we introduce a new type of insertion18:32
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RajeshMohans/outPI/our API18:33
garyduanSumitNaiksatam: looks fine18:33
SumitNaiksatamRajeshMohan: thats correct, in the CLI we are more explicit, but that's the client side18:33
RajeshMohanSumitNaiksatam: Just wanted to make sure that is ok18:33
SumitNaiksatamRajeshMohan: we would ideally like it to be more user friendly18:33
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SumitNaiksatamRajeshMohan: i believe the other option would be not to have, say, "routers=...", but i think its better to be more explicit18:34
SumitNaiksatamSridarK: there used to be some quirks when having to specify a list of values18:35
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RajeshMohanSumitNaiksatam: I agree with the current CLI. Just wanted to bring it up so that it is recorded that we discussed this.18:35
SridarKok rather than a single value ?18:35
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SridarKon each option ?18:35
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SumitNaiksatamSridarK: i think we have some convention when we specifying the firewall rule ids for a firewall policy18:36
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SumitNaiksatamSridarK: I would tend to think we can follow that convention18:36
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SridarKok sounds good - will look at that FW Rules list SumitNaiksatam::18:37
SumitNaiksatamSridarK: thanks18:37
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SumitNaiksatamRajeshMohan: do we anticipate devstack changes?18:37
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RajeshMohanSumitNaiksatam: I am hoping to avoid it18:37
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RajeshMohanSumitNaiksatam: If insertion type is not specified, then insert it on all18:38
SumitNaiksatamRajeshMohan: so default will still be on all routers?18:38
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SumitNaiksatami think we discussed that18:38
RajeshMohanSumitNaiksatam: If someone can update devstack, htat will be great18:38
SumitNaiksatamRajeshMohan: i can update devstack, just let me know what you have in mind18:39
RajeshMohanSumitNaiksatam: I am not sure if there is any change required.18:39
SumitNaiksatamRajeshMohan: ok good18:40
RajeshMohanSumitNaiksatam: Netork issues on my side. I am gettising refresed late18:41
SumitNaiksatami think based on the tempest tests, we might need to, in case we want fwaas to be inserted as a part of the devstack process18:41
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SumitNaiksatamand don't want to be on all routers18:41
SumitNaiksatamRajeshMohan: no worries18:41
SumitNaiksatamSridarK: so we will have a CLI patch by friday :-)18:41
SridarKWill certainly shoot for that. :-)18:42
RajeshMohanSumitNaiksatam: yes, but config tells where it needs to be inserted. So, I am not sure where the  no devstack changes18:42
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SumitNaiksatamRajeshMohan: also can we remove the WIP on your patch by this friday?18:42
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RajeshMohanSumitNaiksatam: I will try. Unit tests will most likely not be complete18:43
SumitNaiksatamRajeshMohan: as long as you have some UT, it should be fine, there will always be a case for adding more18:43
RajeshMohanSumitNaiksatam: But I will do my best to get it done by Friday18:43
RajeshMohanSumitNaiksatam: Ok.18:43
SumitNaiksatamRajeshMohan: with some UTs, and the patch out of WIP, people will feel more comfortable about reviewing18:44
RajeshMohanSumitNaiksatam: and without -2 :-)18:44
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SumitNaiksatamRajeshMohan: yeah, i will remove, i wanted to make sure that the comment regarding the validation etc are not missed18:45
SridarKit seems RajeshMohan: is hurt by the -2 ;-)18:45
RajeshMohanSumitNaiksatam: I will add validators in reference implementation context and then you can remove that18:45
SumitNaiksatamRajeshMohan: thanks18:45
SumitNaiksatamSridarK: i will be more careful :-P18:45
SumitNaiksatamanything else on this?18:46
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SumitNaiksatamok moving on18:47
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SumitNaiksatam#topic Service Objects18:47
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beyounn ok18:47
SumitNaiksatambeyounn: hi18:47
beyounnI'm working on the FW side of changes18:47
SumitNaiksatambeyounn: great18:47
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beyounnI may need to ping Rajesh for help when I update iptable part18:48
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beyounnbut for now, I removed WIP from current review request18:48
SumitNaiksatambeyounn: ok, do we have a chance of targeting this for I3?18:48
beyounnsince it has passed both unit test and tempest18:48
RajeshMohanbeyounn: you can send me email and we can discuss18:48
beyounnSumit:When will be I3?18:48
SumitNaiksatambeyounn: ok cool, i saw the update a few days back18:48
beyounnRajesh: Thanks18:49
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SumitNaiksatambeyounn: lets keep at least the rest of the team also in the loop on that discussion18:49
beyounnenikanorov has reviewed it, for everyone else, please also help to take a look18:50
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beyounnSince this is the first time I'm writing python, so more feedback is better18:50
SumitNaiksatambeyounn: milestones: #link
SumitNaiksatami believe its march 4th18:50
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beyounnSumit: That could be hard18:51
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SumitNaiksatambeyounn: ok18:51
beyounnOk, I'm done18:51
SumitNaiksatambeyounn: whatever you are comfortable with18:51
beyounnSumit: thanks18:51
SumitNaiksatambeyounn: we would need corresponding CLI/client patch also for this (eventually)18:52
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beyounnI had CLI as well18:52
SumitNaiksatam#topic general discussion18:52
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SumitNaiksatambeyounn: ok18:52
SumitNaiksatamoh thanks, i missed that18:52
beyounnSumit: Please take a look18:52
beyounnSince no one has review it yet18:53
SumitNaiksatambeyounn: but i think we first need to review and feel more comfortable about the server side patch18:53
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beyounnSumit: Sure18:53
beyounnenikanorov: are you still there?18:53
enikanorovbeyounn: yes18:54
SumitNaiksatamso in terms of order of priority of reviews for our team, can i request that we first review garyduan's patch:18:54
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enikanorovwhat is it (sorry, i'm not following the meeting)18:54
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beyounnenikanorov: could you take a look at again18:54
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SumitNaiksatamcan i request all FWaaS team members to review garyduan's patch first?18:55
beyounnSumit: Sure18:55
SridarKwill do18:55
SumitNaiksatamsecond priority will be RajeshMohan's service insertion patch:18:55
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SumitNaiksatammeanwhile hopefully SridarK will have his CLI patch as well, and we can review that18:56
SumitNaiksatamsubsequently, we beyounn should be ready with his patch:18:56
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SumitNaiksatamand we can review that18:56
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SumitNaiksatami am not suggesting that we do this sequentially, but in terms of priority i am proposing this as the plan to requests patches getting merged18:57
SumitNaiksatamwe have pretty much been working on these lines just restating it18:58
SumitNaiksatamthats pretty much it from me18:58
SumitNaiksatam#info feature proposal freeze deadline is feb 18th18:58
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SumitNaiksatameveryone is good otherwise?18:59
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SumitNaiksatamok seems like :-)18:59
SumitNaiksatamlets wrap up18:59
SridarKok bye all19:00
RajeshMohanBye all19:00
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notmynameswift team meeting time19:00
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notmyname#startmeeting swift19:01
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notmynamewelcome to the first weekly swift team meeting. who's here?19:01
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notmynameI think we've got a pretty full schedule for today (potentially)19:02
tgohadHi John19:02
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notmynamecreiht is excited!19:03
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notmynamemostly today I want to talk about storage policy status and python-swiftclient status19:03
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notmynamebut first19:03
notmyname#topic summit CFP due this week19:04
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notmynameif you are wanting to submit a talk for the conference section of the summit in atlanta, friday is your deadline19:04
notmynameat the link above19:04
notmynameall you need by friday is an abstract, so it's not too hard to do19:05
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creiht"Openstack, the good parts"19:05
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notmynameand if you want to submit something about swift (and who doesn't?), then I'd be happy to help you do that. but I'd like to see what you have by the end of today19:05
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notmynameI know there will be talk submissions for quite a few things. but the mroe the merrier :-)19:06
portantefwiw, been talking to notmyname about a workshop on object server backends19:06
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notmynamethat's one of them :-)19:06
portantewould like others to participate and help with it19:06
notmynameportante: for which I'll be bugging you later today :-)19:06
peluseportante:  I can help, sure19:07
portantethx, peluse19:07
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pelusealso FYI notmyname and I are putting a few out there including, of course, a talk on policies and EC :)19:07
notmynamewe're also building a test cluster for CI integration (eg let's do automatic probe tests on a real cluster!) and submitting a talk on that19:08
creihtnotmyname: I don't think I will be submitting a talk this time19:09
notmynamecreiht: I liked your idea above ;-)19:09
notmynameso to sum up, friday is your deadline. if you are working with someone else, try to have it done today so you can sleep on it, polish it tomorrow, and be in before the deadline19:09
notmynamefor the tech tracks, the CFP will come later19:10
notmynameany questions on the summit?19:10
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notmynameok, moving on19:10
notmyname#topic storage policies status19:10
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notmynamethis could be a big one19:10
pelusea big topic?19:11
notmynamebefore getting updates from peluse torgomatic and portante19:11
notmynameya, maybe19:11
notmynameI've updated
notmynameI've added a few dates to the storage policies. nothing new to the people who have been working on it, but these are pretty much what will keep us on track for getting it in icehouse19:11
peluseI like the new queries up there.... cool19:12
notmynamethanks, torgomatic for the new review links :-)19:12
notmynameimportantly, I'd like to see all the final patches proposed into gerrit by friday (yes, that means we're just a little behind so far)19:12
notmynamethe trello board tracking storage policies is at
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notmynameand you can see that peluse and torgomatic have some patches up for review now19:13
notmyname(lots of links!!!)19:13
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notmynameso the final pieces of functionality for storage policies on the feature/ec branch are (1) rolled up accounting and (2) policy reconciler19:14
notmynamepeluse: torgomatic: is that correct? can you give an update on the status?19:14
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peluseacct rollup:  good progress (thanks to copying off of torgomatic's paper)19:14
peluseI expect *maybe* Fri but could be next week....19:14
pelusewill try19:15
notmynametorgomatic: reconciler?19:15
torgomaticthe patches in Gerrit now are the foundation for the reconciler; you can't move misplaced objects unless you know they're misplaced, and that's what you get with my patch series19:15
torgomaticreconciler itself is still highly theoretical :)19:16
pelusenice :)19:16
notmynamesmall matter of typing left to do?19:16
torgomatica bit19:16
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pelusetorgomatic:  what do we do with James's 'Preserving older storage policies'?19:16
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torgomaticpeluse: I don't know how usable that is now that the policy index isn't in the metadata... I'll take a look19:17
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notmynameany questions about storage policies or the plan there?19:18
notmynameok then :-)19:19
notmynamethen on to python-swiftclient19:19
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notmyname#topic python-swiftclient status19:19
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notmynamechmouel: around?19:19
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notmynamebig changes have been happening here19:19
chmouelnotmyname: yeah just arrived :)19:19
notmynamethat's the patch to port swiftclient to requests19:20
chmouelI think requests is good to go as far goes my testing and revieweing19:20
chmouelthe port of swiftclient to requests indeed19:20
notmynameand we just landed the change to stop swift itslef from depending on swiftclient19:20
chmouelthat's correct19:20
chmoueli think we should start merge this and do a release straight away19:20
notmynamewhich means that py3 support in python-swiftclient can start happening19:20
chmouelto 2.019:20
notmynamerequests or py3?19:21
chmouelnotmyname: requests19:21
chmoueland put in announcement that we will start reviewing the py3 support19:21
notmynameright. that's the plan, IMO19:21
notmynameI think it makes sense to start py3 patches after a 2.0 release19:21
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chmouelwe will have to do some reconciling since a lot of those patches are conflicting with each others19:21
notmynameso what I want to do is get requests port landed and then tag HEAD~1 as the last 1.X release19:21
notmynameto wrap us all that19:22
notmynamethen tag the reqeusts port as 2.019:22
notmynameand then move on the py3 changes19:22
chmouelperfect plan IMO19:22
notmynamethat way we don't get the py3 dependencies into a 1.x series without actually having full py3 support19:22
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notmynameany questions or alternate suggestions or concerns?19:22
notmynameyou guys are making this easy :-)19:23
torgomaticas long as we don't start talking about py3 for Swift before eventlet or gevent sorts itself out, I'm happy19:23
torgomaticswiftclient is A-OK19:23
notmyname#topic s3 DiskFile19:24
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notmynamemarcusvrn: around? this was a topic that has your name on it19:24
erlonok, so we started to work with in a code that implements a s3 backend to swift.19:24
erlonworking but didn't used the Diskfile API, so we are porting the code to use the API19:24
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notmynameseems like an alternative way to do the container migration patch19:25
erlonhopefully we can make it ready to icehouse19:25
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torgomaticI dunno; being able to import data from external sources seems very different from using another object storage system as a backend19:25
portantehappy to help in anyway I can19:25
chmoueli think it has other benefits than just migration right?19:25
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notmynamein general I like the idea of migration. I don't really like the idea of "Swift as an abstraction for other object storage systems"19:26
erlonportante: yes, if you can give us a hand in this next days  we will reaally apreciate :)19:26
notmyname(to torgomatic's point)19:26
* torgomatic isn't a big fan of Swift turning into an API translation layer19:26
gvernikdata migration is about to import data into swift from other sources...19:26
erlonthere still are some obscure areas that we can't figure aout19:26
creiht"Swift as an abstraction for * storage systems"19:26
creihtwell we kind of opened that can of worms with diskfile19:27
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notmynamecreiht: well the point of swift is to abstract volumes as an object storage system. not to abstract any arbitrary storage engine19:27
notmynamecreiht: so I disagree about DiskFile opening that can of worms19:28
creihtI'm not against people doing it, but I don't think it should be in core swift19:28
portanteI am not sure I follow all the concerns19:28
* torgomatic can't wait for the bug reports saying that users can't tag S3 buckets when using Swift as an API translation layer19:28
creihtnotmyname: I'm just saying by making the abstraction, you invite these type of ideas19:29
portantecan somebody enumerate what might cause a problem?19:29
creihtperhaps another question might be, will the gluster diskfile plugin be part of openstack swift?19:30
notmynamecreiht: ya. that is true. and I agree that they generally should not be in swift's codebase19:30
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notmynamecreiht: imo no19:30
erlonone thing I can see is the way that files appear on s319:30
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torgomaticportante: as a quick first pass, Swift provides eventual consistency atop immediately-consistent backends (a/c/o). Sticking eventual consistency in the object server seems like it'll introduce all sorts of intermittent troubles19:30
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erlonjust hashes, which makes would make the s3 storage unsuable without swift19:30
portantetorgomatic: well stated19:30
torgomaticI don't have a specific bug in mind, but my spidey-sense is tingling like mad19:30
portantedid you make it into the next movie?19:31
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creihtthere will always be an impedence mismatch19:31
creihtsame as with swift319:31
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creihteither way, this seems simple for me, it just lives outside of swift19:31
creihtI can see people wanting to use it19:31
notmynameit's the same general idea to me as "let's write a DiskFile to put Swift on top of our proprietary SAN device that also includes some distributed filesystem". not something that should be in swift itself19:31
notmynamecreiht: yes, exactly19:32
torgomaticcreiht: yeah, and I'm no great fan of that one either ;)19:32
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creihttorgomatic: lol, well when you create a plugin system you can't control what plugs into it :)19:32
chmoueli don't think i want to see swift becoming like neutron with drivers not maintained19:32
cschwede_chmouel: +119:32
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creihtchmouel: they have that even with drivers in the core tree :)19:32
torgomaticcreiht: true, but I can try to control what plugins make it into the Swift tree19:33
notmynamechmouel: but isnt' the problem with drivers that are in the repo?19:33
creihttorgomatic: absolutely, which is what I'm arguing for as well19:33
chmouelnotmyname: yeah that's the problem19:33
chmouelnotmyname: i'm good with having a plugin system in core swift and driver staying outside19:33
notmynamechmouel: so I don't think we'll get there. ie we won't be accepting many "drivers" into the swift tree19:33
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notmynamechmouel: I think we're all in agreement19:34
denis_cavalcanteWell, maybe is a positive point: s3 backend could increase the adoption of the openstack/swift softly... and if it is inside, it can19:34
notmynameFWIW, I'd like to see the migration containers functionality in core swift :-)19:34
creihttons of people run with swift3, and it is outside the codebase19:34
denis_cavalcanteand if it is inside, it can smooth the deployment19:34
* portante 's head spins19:35
chmouelnotmyname: yeah i'd like to spend some time reviewing it19:35
notmynamedenis_cavalcante: yes, I agree (especially with your 2nd statement)19:35
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creihtif it is just a manner of adding a piece of middleware, I'm not sure how being inside or outside swift makes much of a difference19:35
notmynameit's something that must be weighed19:36
notmynamecreiht: I think it's the "Defaults matter" idea.19:36
gholtBeing outside means you can work on it faster. ;)19:36
notmynametrue :-)19:36
notmynamebut being inside means more people will be able to use it19:36
creihtnotmyname: but if it were in swift, I would also think that it wouldn't be a default19:36
notmynameI think that's all denis_cavalcante is saying19:36
gholtI'm not sure I want a bunch of users that don't know how to install stuff. It's pretty easy to find outside stuff. We have a whole section for it in the docs.19:37
chmouelcreiht: yeah but somebody would need to commit to maintain it in the long term19:37
creihtchmouel: I don't want to maintain it inside swift ;)19:37
torgomaticchmouel: +1 on that; I don't want to be responsible for maintaining an S3 translation layer19:37
gholtI won't be. :D19:38
notmynameok, I think we're not really arguing about anything. we all feel the same way from what I can see. I think we should move on19:38
antoniocactually, hybrid cloud environments are a good options for a lot of companies that doesn't have enough infrastructure, so supporting an S3 backend would be great for it19:38
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notmynamenobody denies that people use S3 or that S3 affects Swift's adoption19:39
chmouelantonioc: i agree, but that doesn't mean it need to be shipped with core swift?19:39
lifelessantonioc: there are lots of OpenStack public cloud providers19:39
notmynamebut actually running swift on top of s3 is something that no core dev wants to support ins wift's source tree19:39
notmynamealthough we'd all support that functionality being available in the ecosystem19:40
notmyname(from what I can tell by the conversation)19:40
steveisoftwhere does it belong if not in core swift?19:40
tdasilvathat's the idea behind having the plugin system, right?19:40
creihtsteveisoft: github19:40
gholtHeh, I didn't realize we were still talking about that. Thought we were talking about now, heh.19:41
chmouelor stackforge19:41
notmynameI want to move on to current outstanding patches19:41
notmyname#topic review queue19:42
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antonioc yeap, but S3 would be just one more interface or option... amazon is one of the greatest public cloud providers,  it wouldn't be bad to have some support to that19:42
erlonnotmyname: what's is the impact of supportin s3 as an API, like swift API? it seems to me an option too19:42
* gholt just got caught up by creiht19:42
creihtantonioc: we aren't saying that it shouldn't be an option, just not part of core19:42
chmouelerlon, antonioc: perhaps let's talk about that in #openstack-swift?19:42
creihtjust like the s3 api compat layer isn't part of swift core19:42
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chmouelso the review queu19:43
torgomaticso, what about the review queue?19:43
notmynametorgomatic's links he provided last week have been a good help19:43
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notmynamepathes with one core review:19:43
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notmynamepatches with no core reviews:19:44
chmouel is the easiest review someone can do19:44
torgomaticof course , s/owner:notmyname/owner:$ME/g19:44
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creihtchmouel: did you add tests for that?19:44
notmynametorgomatic: both of those should be generic :-)19:44
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chmouelcreiht: that's a good point we need to sort the bin/swift tests like we do in swift.cli stuff19:45
cschwede_chmouel: working on it :)19:45
chmouelcschwede_: nice :)19:45
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notmynamethat's good to see19:45
notmynamethe bin scripts have had no tests for far too long19:45
notmynamecschwede_: chmouel: there's actually something about that I want to talk to you about in -swift later19:46
cschwede_notmyname: ok, will be there19:46
notmynameso ingeneral, our review queue is somewhat shorter now, so that's nice19:47
chmouelnotmyname:  I think for reviews gvernik was asking about the container migration status (and you as well)19:47
notmynamemost of my time has been spend on summit abstracts and storage policy/swiftclient stuff19:47
notmynamechmouel: gvernik: I don't have anything else to add that I didn't say earlier :-) I like the idea a lot19:48
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chmoueli'd spend some time to commit into it since i like the idea as well19:49
chmouel*to commit review time19:49
notmynamewhat about the account-to-account copy patch? who's looked at it?19:49
portanteI looked at it briefly19:49
torgomaticI took a pass at it once; I need to go back and look again19:49
chmouelcschwede_: as well i think19:49
cschwede_notmyname: me, works so far for me and looks good19:49
notmynamelooking at the comments, it seems to be on track19:49
gholtThat one's been going reasonably fast, with feedback loops19:50
notmynamecleaning up the API issues19:50
* portante is sorry that he has not had more time these past few weeks to work on swift code reviews19:50
creihtinteresting correlation that the queue is shorter, and portante hasn't been reviewing19:50
chmouelheh heh19:50
portantethanks creiht19:50
portanteI can take a hint19:51
notmynamecorrelation doesn't mean causation :-)19:51
creihtof course we know that correlation != caustaion :)19:51
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creihtbut doesn't mean we can't have fun with it :)19:51
notmynamethat was one of the most well-played burns I've seen in a while19:52
portantethat is what I am here for19:52
notmyname(completely untrue, for the record)19:52
portanteor not19:52
* portante wonders if that correlates with the sped up gate?19:52
notmynamewhat other significant patches do we have outstanding?19:52
notmynamegholt: creiht: anything on ssync updates?19:53
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chmouelcreiht: are you back on swift btw?19:53
creihtchmouel: yes19:53
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creihtnotmyname: still testing as far as I know19:53
chmouelcreiht: coool :)19:54
notmynamecreiht never really leaves swift19:54
notmynameI don't see any other reviews that warrant discussion here in the last five minutes that can't be handled in gerrit or -swift. anyone have anything else?19:55
notmyname#topic open discussion19:55
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notmynameand so I guess that's it for this week. see you next week!19:56
notmynamethanks for being here19:56
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stevebaker#startmeeting heat20:00
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stevebaker#topic rollcall20:00
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radixcyli is here too but her wifi just died20:00
stevebaker#topic Review last meeting's actions20:01
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stevebakereverybody to scrub their assigned blueprints for icehouse-320:01
stevebakereverybody: did you do that?20:02
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stevebakerwe have 3 that are not started, we should consider kicking those20:03
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sdakelooks like launchpad just imploded20:03
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stevebakerauto heat/converge will have no chance, correct?20:03
stevebakersystemd should be trivial20:04
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arbyleestevebaker: converge won't make it20:04
stevebakerand therve was going to get back to me about already being done due to other work20:04
zanebnot sure about trivial20:04
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sdakestevebaker re some folks are working on putting that in oslo-incubator, but I suspect the review cycle won't finish in time for me to make the deadline20:05
radixI want to talk about the autoscaled ResourceGroup idea too20:05
stevebakerzaneb: its just writing to a socket after the daemon has started.20:05
radixnot sure if we should do that now or later :)20:05
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stevebakersdake: if you're busy with oslo.messaging maybe systemd would be good for jpeeler?20:05
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* jpeeler looks20:06
sdakestevebaker I think the dependency we have (getting into oslo-incubator) wont finish in time20:06
sdakethe code to add to heat is actually pretty straight forward20:06
sdakeshoudl be done with oslo.messaging this week20:06
dhellmannsdake: if you share the link to the review, I can try to help prioritize it20:06
stevebakersdake: we could just do it in heat.common for now and move over to the oslo version as and when it is available20:06
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stevebakerarbylee: ok, I've kicked it20:07
sdakestevebaker wfm if jeff  wants to tackle it that also wfm20:07
radixif I refocus on kfox's resourcegroup stuff, then as-lib will be kicked (though maybe it should just be closed resolved since I guess it has kind of a nebulous resolution)20:08
sdakedhellmann trying to find link20:08
stevebakerjpeeler: do you think AWS::EC2::Route will make the feature proposal freeze?20:08
radix(since the module is _there_, but it will grow a lot)20:08
zanebradix: I definitely don't think it's resolved20:08
radixzaneb: ok :)20:08
jpeelerstevebaker: i hate to say, but i got pulled off that right when i started. it essentially isn't started, so probably not.20:09
stevebakerjpeeler: lets kick it20:09
zanebradix: resolved would be "next blueprint in the queue is unblocked"20:09
radixzaneb: I think I'll need to start working on the next one before I can even know that20:09
radixbut yeah, that's cool20:09
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stevebaker looks more than started20:10
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zanebradix: that's true, and let's not pretend that a discrete list of bugs/blueprints accurately reflects reality20:10
radix+1 :)20:10
dhellmannsdake: ok, could you associate that with a bug or blueprint, so I can put it on our i-3 priority list?20:10
sdakedhellmann I'll add a review comment to the effect20:11
radixstevebaker: can we just add an agenda item to talk about AutoScalingGroup?20:11
dhellmannsdake: if you have a bug in heat, you can add oslo as impacted -- I need something I can put a "high" priority on20:11
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stevebakershardy: is still needed? The native signal API was delivered in a different blueprint20:12
stevebakerradix: do it20:12
shardystevebaker: we still don't have any way to connect to that API from an instance20:12
shardystevebaker: ec2 signed auth only works via the cfn API20:12
stevebakershardy: well, there is that. Technically it is not a heat release thing though. Lets leave it open for now20:13
shardyso I was planning a resource which provided a way to do an auth_token authenticated request for the wait condition notification20:13
radixstevebaker: done20:13
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stevebakerok that will do for blueprints for now20:13
shardystevebaker: I was thinking of creating a new WaitHandle type which provided a token, if so it's a heat thing20:13
shardystevebaker: although we could just say it's the clients problem to get a token20:14
stevebakerzaneb add summary of this discussion to the router-properties-object blueprint20:14
sdakedhellmann for heat, this is medium priority - eg something we could kick if we need to20:14
zanebstevebaker: I did that20:14
sdakedhellmann but I'll impact oslo in launchpad with it20:14
shardystill need to provide the credentials tho, so there's are several unsolved aspects I wasnted to look at20:14
shardyhave to see how time goes..20:14
dhellmannsdake: ok, I can set it the same, I just don't want to be holding you up because we don't know that we are :-)20:14
stevebaker#topic Adding items to the agenda20:14
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* radix added something20:15
sdakedhellmann dummy q, how do I actually have it impact oslo in launchpad?20:15
stevebakeranything else to add?20:15
sdakequescing servers20:15
sdakewe had a big long chat in irc yesterday about it20:16
sdakebut not eveyrone was around20:16
stevebakersdake: done20:16
sdakethe use case is for autoscaling and update models where we want to shut down the server in a controlled way20:16
sdakestevebaker that is done?20:16
stevebaker#topic Gate check job is now enabled20:16
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stevebakersdake: its on the agenda now20:16
dhellmannsdake: for bugs you can just add the project, for blueprints you have to file a second one under oslo and mark it as a dependency of yours (this will improve when we move to storyboard)20:17
stevebakergreat news everybody, heat-slow is now a non-voting job on gating20:17
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sdakedhellmann I'll let Jakub do that since I requested it in the review already and it might cause duplicate blueprints and confusion :)20:17
dhellmannsdake: ack20:17
wirehead_That sounds gate.  pun intended.20:17
stevebakerI want to know how stable it is. It should never fail unless your code breaks it. If it does fail and you think it is not your fault then please let me know20:18
sdakeI would also like to point out some new contributors have picked up some tempest work which is hugely important to heat's quality :)20:18
stevebakerIt is likely that we'll see issues related to load and races of other openstack components, it would be great if you could spend the time to raise a tempest bug so we can start collecting recheck stats20:19
zanebstevebaker: from someone who had a crack at automated testing of Heat and failed miserably, kudos for getting this going :)20:19
stevebakerzaneb: its been a long road20:19
* stevebaker remembers being volunteered for this in Portland20:19
sdakeya 2 years to functional testing :)20:19
stevebakerI'd like to make this a voting job at least on heat if it proves stable enough20:20
stevebakerand add it to our gate too20:20
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stevebaker(unless new generation gate doesn't run tempest)20:20
stevebakerfungi: ^ ?20:21
shardystevebaker: great news, it's failing on all my patches atm, but that may be because of a domains/devstack issue I'm currently fixing20:21
stevebakershardy: so it works!20:21
shardystevebaker: it works, aka my code doesn't :D20:21
skraynevstevebaker: really cool news) I will restore my tempest patch ;)20:22
fungistevebaker: not sure what you mean by new generation gate. we run lots of tempest jobs in the gave for a variety of projects20:22
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stevebakerheat-slow is also checking on devstack, tempest and nova20:22
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stevebakerfungi: I was wondering if there was still plans to not run tempest at all in gate in the future, so the gate continues to scale20:23
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stevebaker#topic Unassigned icehouse-3 bugs20:23
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fungistevebaker: no, the tempest team is working on speeding tempest up even more, and the plan would be to probably only perform integration testing (like tempest) in the gate and leave things like unit and static analysis/style jobs for the check pipeline20:24
radixwait, isn't it more important for it to be in gate (vs check)?20:24
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stevebakerfungi: ok20:24
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stevebakerThere are 8 unassigned bugs in i-3 that need friends20:24
fungizuul will very soon be requiring that your check jobs got a passing grade before allowing your change to be approved into gating20:25
stevebakerSpamapS_: about?20:25
zanebfungi: I hope that'll be configurable? Heat's unit tests don't take long to run. I sure would be uncomfortable not having them in the check job.20:25
tspatzierstevebaker: I can take #1271008. I'm actually fixing it as part of some HOT cleanup for another bug20:25
stevebakertspatzier: thanks20:25
zaneber s/check/gate/20:26
fungizaneb: it'll be configurable, yes20:26
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zanebok, cool20:26
stevebakerjasond`: can someone be assigned to ?20:26
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1274201 in heat "Rackspace authentication is broken" [High,Triaged]20:26
zanebI know other projects have _much_ slower unit tests20:26
stevebakerzaneb: shall we kick ?20:27
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1193269 in heat ""Updated" timestamps store the Wrong Thing" [Low,Triaged]20:27
zanebsure, why not20:27
jasond`stevebaker: sure, i'll talk to the team20:27
stevebakerI'm going to kick too, unless somebody cares20:28
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1072955 in heat "Implement Fn::Base64" [Low,Triaged]20:28
zanebI'm starting to think maybe we should just close the Base64 one20:28
zanebremove the function from HOT and forget about it20:29
stevebakeror add a function to HOT when somebody needs to deploy some binary chunk20:29
sdakewe should probably just clos that base64 bug, if you actually encode your template in base64, it breaks heat20:30
zanebsdake: well, the idea would be that the UserData property could detect Base64 and correctly include it in the cloudinit config20:30
stevebaker is quite a disruptive change at this point. But it would improve running heat at scale20:30
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1263787 in heat "stack table's uuid primary key wastes resources in other tables" [High,Triaged]20:30
sdakei get that there is an optiimization there, but high prioirty?20:31
sdakeimo high priority is "this stuff wont work without it" :)20:32
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stevebakerSpamapS_ isn't here, maybe lifeless can elaborate on why int primary keys are a GoodThing20:32
zaneb'Wishlist" would be the appropriate priority for that IMO20:32
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sdakeagree with zaneb20:33
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stevebakerzaneb: not if you can't run heat at scale without this20:33
zaneboh come on20:34
radixI'm skeptical that this is actually a blocker for anyone deploying heat20:34
radixbut hey, data speaks best :)20:34
zanebevery record in the database contains multiple 256-byte strings20:34
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zanebsaving most of a quarter of one of those does not move the needle for anyone20:35
sdakewe would be better off length-encoding the strings :)20:35
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stevebakerrackspace changed nova instance primary key to int for scalablity reasons20:36
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stevebakerI'm assuming this is not a storage overhead thing, its an index lookup overhead thing20:36
zanebstevebaker: who knows what their database looks like20:36
zanebstevebaker: that can't be right, because we still need an index for it20:36
sdakeimo this is more like a feature request without an interested party willing to implement it20:36
stevebakeranyhoo, I'll kick it for now. Maybe that will force someone to step up20:37
sdakeif there was someone bringing code, i think it would be a different story20:37
zanebsdake: s/feature request/micro-optimisation/20:37
sdakezaneb yes that is micro-optimized thanks :)20:37
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stevebakerthis looks like another optimisation bug
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1263911 in heat "event_create is the wrong place to count events" [Medium,Triaged]20:38
sdakebased upon comment #1, looks like another micro opt20:38
sdakeif we optimize, imo we should aim for a big impact20:39
stevebakerwhich leaves
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1247147 in heat "HEAT-Engine Startup Error" [Medium,Triaged]20:39
stevebakersdake: I've kicked it20:39
stevebakerwe just need to check that engine doesn't actually fail to start if /etc/heat/environment.d is missing20:39
stevebakera log error is fine20:40
radixheh, hello lifeless :)20:40
lifelessba, sorry20:40
lifelessstevebaker: hi20:40
stevebakerlifeless: hai20:40
radixI see you use a terminal-based IRC client20:40
sdakeso environment.d woudl be nice if heat just ran without it, but heat should not create directories in the filesystem imo :)20:40
stevebakerradix: don't judge man!20:40
lifelessradix: The One True IRC client20:40
lifelessstevebaker: so, primary keys int vs omgenoughbitstorepresenteveryatomintheuniverseabilliontimesover ?20:41
lifelessstevebaker: I don't get how its even a question.20:41
lifelessstevebaker: but that may be my 'spent years as a DBA' hat on.20:41
cmystersdake: why not? its being done elsewhere (like lib and log)20:41
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lifelessThere's probably even a site ''20:41
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sdakecmyster as far as I know, nothing actually creates directories20:42
lifeless(ok that last bit was silly)20:42
zaneblifeless: it may not be question for dbas implementing this from scratch20:42
sdakecreating directories is bad server development imo :)20:42
sdakepackaging shoudl handle the directories (so it can clean up after its removed)20:42
radixlifeless: I take it you don't buy the argument that UUIDs are more secure than sequential IDs20:42
radixrandom UUIDs, I should say20:42
stevebakercmyster: heat-engine most likely wouldn't have the privilages to create a dir in /etc20:42
zaneblifeless: the question here is 'is this a High-priority bug even though nobody seems to care enough to fix it'20:42
lifelessradix: you can have a random UUID per stack - thats fine. Just don't make it the PK.20:43
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zanebradix: I think the point is they serve different purposes20:43
cmysterok, etc is a different story :)20:43
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lifelessradix: PKs are all about in-DB storage serialisation, not user facing.20:43
lifelesszaneb: ah, priority. Uhm - I don't know.20:44
lifelesszaneb: its certainly less important than getting keystone to use less than 30GB of storage for its tokens...20:44
morganfainberglifeless, we're trying!!! ephemeral tokens w/ revocation events!20:45
morganfainberglifeless, no more storing tokens in the DB!20:45
zaneblifeless: I concur :)20:45
radixoh! I didn't really understand the ticket at first. okay.20:45
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lifelessmorganfainberg: I know :) I'm only slightly teasing :)20:45
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stevebakerlets move on20:45
stevebaker#topic Heat security team20:46
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stevebakerI need to have 2-4 heat-cores to be in the heat security team.20:46
stevebakerPTL needs to be in it20:46
shardystevebaker: I'll volunteer20:47
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stevebakershardy: finds and fixes most of our security issues, so I think he should be in it20:47
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bgorskiAnd what are the security team responsibilities exactly?20:47
sdakei'm in20:48
stevebakerquoting ttx20:48
radixsome context would be interesting :)20:48
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zanebbgorski: dealing with incoming CVEs, basically20:48
stevebaker> with a security mindset that we20:48
stevebakercan give early access to security issues so that they can help us debunk20:48
stevebakersubmitted issues and build patches if necessary. They would be our first20:48
stevebakerline of contact within your team (and will be able to pull extra20:48
stevebakerdevelopers in to help in resolving the issue in a timely manner).20:48
stevebakerzaneb, sdake, I wonder if the team should have a more broad vendor spread20:49
sdakestevebaker ya that makes sense to me20:49
cmysterstevebaker: do you need me to focus on that as well? thinking of tests from outside the dev pov20:49
sdakeif any other cores are interested20:49
stevebakerI was thinking SpamapS_ just for the tripleo perspective20:49
zanebthat's a fair point if we have any volunteers20:50
stevebakerand a heat-core from rax for an open cloud perspective20:50
stevebakerjasond` or randall?20:50
sdakestevebaker maybe you can give people a week to think about it20:50
sdakeand bring it up next meeting?20:50
stevebakersdake: yep20:50
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wirehead_I can prod internally.20:51
radixyeah, I bet randallburt or jasond` may be interested20:51
jasond`stevebaker: sure20:51
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radixrandallburt is gone for the day20:51
stevebakerwirehead_: this has to be somebody already in heat-core, of course any efforts on heat security are welcome20:51
zanebstevebaker: wirehead_ wasn't volunteering, just volunteering to poke randallburt20:52
stevebakerjasond`: let me know later who is the lucky one20:52
stevebaker#topic Resource-based AutoScalingGroup20:52
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jasond`stevebaker: will do20:52
stevebakerradix: meep20:53
radixso there was this discussion yesterday20:53
radixstevebaker: I guess you missed the last half of it20:53
radixkfox basically mentioned his initiative to make a version of AutoScalingGroup that can work with other resources20:53
radixand this may actually be an opportunity to get something _useful_ into icehouse :)20:53
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radixhe was developing it as a third-party plugin, but it's possible this could basically become a part of the "as-intermediate-resource"20:54
radixso basically I'm offering my time to work on that now instead of the as-lib BP, which is effectively not useful to end-users20:54
SpamapS_sorry physical meetings today20:54
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radixso I want to see if it's something that anyone else thinks is a good idea20:55
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radixit seemed pretty positive yesterday20:55
stevebakerradix: for software config there needs to be one or more deployment resources per server resource, so I'm keen to be able to scale something which isn't just a server20:55
radixright, there are pretty strong use cases for it20:56
SpamapS_+1 on coalescing resourcegroup with autoscalinggroup20:56
radixand my idea is to simply just subclass AutoScalingGroup and making it allow arbitrary resources, in the same way ResourceGroup works20:56
shardyradix: The discussion started with funzo's requirement to scale OS::Nova::Servers with multiple neutron networks IIRC:20:56
radixshardy: oh right ok20:56
SpamapS_we need exactly that for TripleO20:56
shardymaybe kfox chimed in after, I think he had similar issues20:56
skraynevI agree with radix native AutoscalingResources will be good additional for heat20:56
gokrokve+1 to have it in Icehouse20:57
radixnow, there's only a week for reviews to be submitted... so I'll try myb est :)20:57
radixshardy: was it funzo the whole time? maybe I was confused about kfox20:57
tspatzierradix: do you have a link to a BP or wiki page or something?20:57
stevebakerI'm all for giving it a go20:57
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zanebI think we should do the hack if we think we can build on it to deliver the final feature we planned on in the future20:57
stevebakershould we ditch ResourceGroup if it lands?20:57
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radixstevebaker: hmm, maybe?20:58
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zanebif it's just going to involve more backtracking, deprecation, &c. then we should forget about it and concentrate on delivering what we want for Juno20:58
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shardyzaneb: Yeah, my suggestion was to focus on that use-case from funzo and make it possible in a simple-a way as possible, but ideally with flexibility so we can iterate on it in Juno20:58
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radixzaneb: I think it has a chance to look at least pretty close to the ultimate resource. i.e. it should be possible to switch out the implementation later20:58
shardyan interface which allows scale out of provider resources seems like a good interface to me20:59
zanebradix: if that is the case then +120:59
shardyas it's simple but very flexible20:59
stevebakerhow do we deal with the fact that an artibrary resource will create something real, but a launchconfiguration doesn't20:59
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radixstevebaker: not sure what you mean20:59
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funzoA launch configuration is just used as a template20:59
zanebstevebaker: just hack it like we do now, presumably21:00
funzothe arbitrary resources in this context are real ports, floating ips21:00
jd__(knock knock)21:00
radixbasically, look at ResourceGroup, I'm just suggesting making it look like that21:00
skraynevtime is over(((21:00
stevebakerradix: ok, thats fine21:00
shardylets move to #heat..21:00
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radixoh wow21:00
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radixok :)21:00
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jd__#startmeeting ceilometer21:01
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Alexei_987hi :)21:01
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jd__#topic Milestone status icehouse-321:03
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jd__it looks like we're getting a bit late21:04
ildikov_we still have some patch sets waiting for review: #link,n,z21:04
jd__yeah I still want to review that and I still failed21:05
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jd__we also miss code but I know eglynn is on it21:05
jd__it's likely we start cutting things not started next week or something21:05
ildikov_the first is the alarm and then alarm history, etc, these are much smaller than the first one was, still plenty of test cases21:05
jd__anything else?21:05
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Alexei_987jd__: my IMHO that we should postpone complex queries for next cycle21:06
jd__we take what we have21:06
eglynnAlexei_987: well the first patch has already landed21:06
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ildikov_Alexei_987: the main logic has been already on master21:07
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jd__#topic Tempest integration21:07
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jd__nprivalova: around?21:07
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ildikov_jd__:she left a note on the IRC channel21:07
ildikov_she cannot attend the meeting today21:07
jd__ah ok, I missed that21:08
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jd__next time I guess :)21:08
jd__#topic Release python-ceilometerclient?21:08
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eglynnno need AFAIK21:08
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jd__#topic Open discussion21:08
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Alexei_987jd__: I have MySQL tests ready and working21:08
jd__anything else? that'll be a short meeting :)21:08
jd__Alexei_987: great!21:08
Alexei_987and I would like everyone to help with reviewing21:09
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Alexei_987and postgres still have 35 failures21:09
ildikov_dhellmann: I proposed a fix to sphinxcontrib: #link
Alexei_987I hope to have it ready tomorrow21:09
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gordcjd__: i should mention the vcenter support work is ongoing. i've been talking to some of the guys from vmware and they said they've got some code21:09
dhellmannildikov_: I saw that, but have't gotten to reviewing it yet21:09
dhellmannildikov_: I'll make sure I get to it tomorrow morning if not today21:09
ildikov_dhellmann: ok, thanks21:10
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gordcdhellmann: had a quick question for you regarding oslo graduation... if you have time i'll ask you over in #openstack-ceilometer21:11
Alexei_987jd__: question - how is oslo messaging integration?21:11
dhellmanngordc: sure21:11
Alexei_987jd__: can I help with something there?21:11
jd__Alexei_987: progressing according to sileht21:11
jd__Alexei_987: you can review patches on oslo.messaging21:11
Alexei_987jd__: thanks. will do21:12
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dhellmannildikov_: *sometimes* the trailing slash is appropriate, right?21:12
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ildikov_dhellmann: now I removed them, can we identify the exact definition of *sometimes*?21:12
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dhellmannildikov_: I was hoping you would do that :-)21:13
ildikov_with gordc we kind of agreed that the trailing slash should be removed from everywhere21:13
dhellmannildikov_: I just know that we can't always strip them21:13
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dhellmannwell "think"21:13
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dhellmannoh, maybe I'm wrong on that, then? I thought that pecan wanted the trailing slashes in some cases21:13
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gordcdhellmann: ildikov_: i need to look this up again but when i first looked at it. i believe the trailing slash actually represents a new separate path21:13
dhellmanngordc: ok, I may be misunderstanding, I'll check with ryan and see what he says21:14
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gordcso the difference in behaviour we were getting with trailing and no trailing slash was right... just that the docs were using a trailing slash which actually references the wrong target i believe21:14
ildikov_gordc, dhellmann: I will change the fix, if we have any agreement on the *sometimes* part21:15
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gordcildikov_: i'll try googling what i read last time and add it to bug if i can find it.21:15
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ildikov_gordc: my plan was to add a note after removing the trailing slash, that the meter_name is optional in the samples endpoint21:15
dhellmannildikov_: I've asked ryan, but he is offline at the moment so I'll give him some time to respond to my email21:16
ildikov_gordc: which means that without it, it will return the samples for all meters21:16
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gordcildikov_: a note could work... probably not the cleanest solution but if we need to resort to it...21:17
ildikov_dhellmann: k, thanks, now I proposed the simplest fix and then we will see21:17
ildikov_gordc: I think with that specific endpoint implementation, we cannot generate the doc better21:18
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ildikov_gordc: it seems to be that it is a bug that turned to be a feature as that endpoint is described as returne that samples for one specific meter21:18
gordcildikov_: i'll need to take a look again and give it a try. hopefully it's a doc thing but you're probably right.21:19
ildikov_so, I've already prepeared the patch with that single note, I only would like to see what will be the end of the sphinxcontrib modification21:19
silehtjd__, Alexei_987 dhellmann for oslo.messaging in ceilometer, all patches are ready, I'm waiting for review of the notification listener on the oslo.messaging side21:20
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ildikov_gordc: there we would need two functions, but we have only one get_all21:20
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eglynnsileht: excellent! :)21:21
ildikov_gordc: #link
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gordcildikov_: isn't the api call with trailing slash returning data we're not expecting?21:22
ildikov_gordc: and meter can be null here: #link
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ildikov_gordc: yes, it is the case, when meter is empty in the line #68321:23
ildikov_gordc: as meter is only required for statistics21:23
gordci think that the bug is if you call the path described by docs, you don't actually get what it tells you should be getting.21:23
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ildikov_gordc: so in case of samples it will return all, as this additional filter is missing from the query21:23
gordcildikov_: hmmm... i'll need to glance at bug report again. but yeah, maybe a note is cleanest option.21:24
silehteglynn, yes but the progress is quite slow, all patches are under review since end of december, I wait a lot between each iterations21:24
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ildikov_gordc: yes, because the trailing slash means that you send a request with empty meter name, which ends up in the MeterController, instead of the MetersController, because of the trailing slash21:25
gordcsileht: this patch is ready for review?
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gordcildikov_: ah got it... yes i sort of remember now... it only really happens for a few cases.21:25
silehtgordc, but it have some crap to bootstrap the in development version of oslo.messaging21:25
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eglynnsileht: ... the reviewing logjam is on the oslo side, or?21:26
silehtthe most important patch are ',n,z'21:26
gordcsileht: got it. yeah i wasn't sure if it's still a wip21:26
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jd__eglynn: yes21:26
silehtgordc, eglynn you can review the ceilometer part it can be a good step too21:27
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ildikov_gordc: it is a special case as the meter endpoint ha multiple roles here, the problem will be solved, if we will not use this endpoint for samples anymore, so I assume in the next API version, if we reach that point21:27
eglynnso these are the folks we need to harass ;)21:27
silehtbut cannot be merged until a new version of oslo.messaging is released with my current pendinds reviews21:27
ildikov_gordc: but until that, we can fix the trailing slash issue in the doc and add a note to make it clean that the meter_name is optional in the request URL for samples21:28
eglynn... a few of them are Red Hatters, I'll mention the importance of this work to them21:28
gordcildikov_: i think you've convinced me :)21:29
silehteglynn, markmc have already review a lot my works, it have a good vision of the feature/changes21:29
silehteglynn, thx21:29
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eglynnsileht: cool, I'll see if I can encourage the other RH folks to chime in also21:29
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ildikov_gordc: cool, I will wait for dhellmann's review then and see what will happen :)21:30
jd__looks like we ran out of topic? wrapping up in a minute21:31
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jd__thanks, have fun and happy hacking!21:32
lsmola2thanks everybody, have good night21:33
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ildikov_thanks, bye21:33
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eglynngood night y'all!21:33
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