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| zns | First Satori (Configuration Discovery) team meeting starting on #openstack-meeting-alt in a few minutes. | 14:57 |
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| johnthetubaguy1 | dansmith: lots of −2s on some of the patches for this: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/instance-group-api-extension what is the story their, I lost track I think | 15:17 |
| johnthetubaguy1 | there^ | 15:17 |
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| dansmith | johnthetubaguy1: I see one -2 | 15:29 |
| dansmith | johnthetubaguy1: can you shoot me a gerrit link? | 15:29 |
| johnthetubaguy1 | dansmith: maybe it was just one, it was about the FFE, I think you said it hadn't been granted one, I don't remember the details, just wondered if you did | 15:30 |
| johnthetubaguy1 | dansmith: just wondering if we should −2 the other ones, or un −2 the one you have −2ed | 15:30 |
| johnthetubaguy1 | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/30028/ | 15:30 |
| dansmith | johnthetubaguy1: hmm, I don't think I remember discussing instance groups in that conversation | 15:30 |
| dansmith | johnthetubaguy1: that -2 is from pre-havana :) | 15:31 |
| johnthetubaguy1 | lol | 15:31 |
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| johnthetubaguy | oh right, I see now | 15:32 |
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| johnthetubaguy | thanks | 15:32 |
| dansmith | :P | 15:32 |
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| johnthetubaguy | mind you, I will −2 the v3 patch, to be consistent | 15:33 |
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| dansmith | cool | 15:34 |
| dansmith | johnthetubaguy: perhaps we should be discussing in -nova? :) | 15:34 |
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| rakhmerov | #startmeeting Mistral | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Feb 24 16:00:09 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is rakhmerov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Mistral)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'mistral' | 16:00 |
| rakhmerov | hi guys | 16:00 |
| dzimine | hello! | 16:00 |
| rakhmerov | hi Dmitry, how are you? | 16:00 |
| dzimine | back n kicking, I was time-constrained last week, but will have more time to be on Mistral this week. | 16:01 |
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| rakhmerov | ok, good | 16:01 |
| rakhmerov | is there anyone else here? | 16:02 |
| rakhmerov | can we start something? :) | 16:02 |
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| nmakhotkin | hi! | 16:02 |
| rakhmerov | hi | 16:02 |
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| rakhmerov | ok, let's review action items quickly | 16:03 |
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| rakhmerov | #topic Previous Action Items | 16:03 |
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| rakhmerov | 1. Manas, summarize all ideas on std:repeater (https://blueprints.launchpad.net/mistral/+spec/mistral-std-repeat-action) and start a discussion with the team | 16:03 |
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| rakhmerov | #info here is the etherpad where he's done it | 16:04 |
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| rakhmerov | and he keeps thinking on it as far as I'm aware of | 16:04 |
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| dzimine | correct. | 16:04 |
| rakhmerov | I also looked at this etherpad carefully and mostly it looks reasonable to me, I left my comments | 16:05 |
| enykeev | hey | 16:05 |
| rakhmerov | hi Kirill! | 16:05 |
| rakhmerov | team | 16:05 |
| rakhmerov | enykeev - is our new member | 16:05 |
| rakhmerov | as of today | 16:05 |
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| rakhmerov | enykeev, welcome to the team! | 16:06 |
| enykeev | thanks =) | 16:06 |
| rakhmerov | :) | 16:06 |
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| tnurlygayanov | Hi there ) | 16:06 |
| rakhmerov | hi Timur | 16:06 |
| rakhmerov | So back to the action item. I suggest we postpone the implementation for 2-3 days till we merge ongoing changes in engine | 16:07 |
| rakhmerov | it doesn't make sense to start this task before that since it really affects lots of things in engine | 16:07 |
| dzimine | all implementations, or any specific? | 16:07 |
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| rakhmerov | I mean what Manas is doing | 16:08 |
| rakhmerov | repeater | 16:08 |
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| dzimine | agreed. | 16:08 |
| rakhmerov | es | 16:08 |
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| rakhmerov | and one more thing. After the closer look at this I started thinking that it may make sense to introduce keywords representing control flow constructions like this | 16:09 |
| rakhmerov | the reason is simple: engine must be aware of them so they are not usual tasks and they must be processed in a special way | 16:09 |
| rakhmerov | so we may not want to limit ourselves in how we define them in DSL | 16:10 |
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| rakhmerov | anyway, nmakhotkin, tnurlygayanov pls take a look at this etherpad and let's start the discussion on it. | 16:10 |
| rakhmerov | remember we're not limited by the initial requirements | 16:11 |
| rakhmerov | so you should feel free to propose any ideas | 16:11 |
| rakhmerov | but at the same time we need to move forward with the implementation so we need to think quickly :) | 16:12 |
| tnurlygayanov | ok | 16:12 |
| rakhmerov | ok | 16:12 |
| rakhmerov | 2.Timur, create a simple web app in python that can serve one request (e.g. calculator) | 16:12 |
| rakhmerov | this one is waiting to be reviewed | 16:12 |
| rakhmerov | #info https://review.openstack.org/#/c/74094/ | 16:12 |
| rakhmerov | it's a very simple app in Flask that implements "sum" function as an HTTP endpoint | 16:13 |
| rakhmerov | most likely we will use it for the Demo | 16:13 |
| rakhmerov | 3. Renat, check availability of all the team members and make sure we have overlapping hours with people in the US | 16:14 |
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| tnurlygayanov | can you please share the link? | 16:14 |
| nmakhotkin | I've looked at it | 16:14 |
| tnurlygayanov | ok, I can do this ) https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/std_repeat | 16:14 |
| tnurlygayanov | is it correct link? | 16:14 |
| tnurlygayanov | yes, application was created. | 16:14 |
| tnurlygayanov | need review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/74094/ | 16:14 |
| rakhmerov | ooh, something is wrong with my IRC client | 16:14 |
| rakhmerov | I can't see any incoming messages for a couple of minutes and then they arrive in a batch | 16:15 |
| rakhmerov | weird.. | 16:15 |
| rakhmerov | yes, tnurlygayanov, thanks | 16:15 |
| rakhmerov | so as for availability | 16:15 |
| rakhmerov | this one is not done since last week was pretty bad for us, I was sick for a couple of days and nmakhotkin was sick too | 16:16 |
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| rakhmerov | so we can figure out our availability right now :) | 16:16 |
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| tnurlygayanov | ) ok | 16:16 |
| rakhmerov | ok, let's use PST time zone (msk -12) | 16:17 |
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| rakhmerov | tnurlygayanov, what are your usual business hours? | 16:17 |
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| rakhmerov | and can you guys all write yours | 16:18 |
| tnurlygayanov | 11-19 by Moscow time | 16:19 |
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| rakhmerov | #info Renat's availability: 6pm - 3am (sometimes longer) | 16:19 |
| rakhmerov | #info Timur's availability: 11pm - 7am | 16:20 |
| nmakhotkin | As for me - 12 - 20 MSK | 16:20 |
| rakhmerov | nmakhotkin? | 16:20 |
| enykeev | mine is pretty much the same, 5pm - 3am | 16:20 |
| tnurlygayanov | PST: 11:00 PM - 7:00 AM | 16:20 |
| rakhmerov | #info Nikolay's availability: 12am - 8am | 16:20 |
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| tnurlygayanov | ок ) | 16:21 |
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| rakhmerov | #info Kirill's availability: 5pm - 3am | 16:21 |
| dzimine | #info Dmitri's availability - any 7-23 on request, usual 7-8 am and 16 to 20 pm, but can make till 24 pm when needed. | 16:21 |
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| rakhmerov | yes, I noticed you work 24 hr/day :) | 16:22 |
| dzimine | no, i am "available" 24 hours != "work" :) | 16:22 |
| rakhmerov | ok, so guys, please try to be at #openstack-mistral during your work hours please so that we can discuss something | 16:22 |
| rakhmerov | dzimine, sure, just kidding :) | 16:22 |
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| rakhmerov | ok | 16:23 |
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| rakhmerov | #topic Current status | 16:23 |
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| rakhmerov | so, as I said we were sick significant time last week | 16:24 |
| rakhmerov | however we sent several patches for review | 16:24 |
| rakhmerov | I'm now working on Data Flow prototype and hoping to finish it tomorrow | 16:24 |
| rakhmerov | I already sent two patches related to it last week and the third is on its way | 16:25 |
| rakhmerov | Nikolay finished changes related with direct transitions and his patch has landed | 16:25 |
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| rakhmerov | so we're moving forward and hopefully early next week we'll get most of the required things done | 16:26 |
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| rakhmerov | we are still mostly following this etherpad: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mistral-poc | 16:27 |
| rakhmerov | but not 100% already | 16:27 |
| rakhmerov | which is fine | 16:27 |
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| rakhmerov | we still have lots of things to discuss on DSL and overall design. But we need to do it in parallel with development | 16:28 |
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| dzimine | Renat do we need email task as part of POC? | 16:28 |
| rakhmerov | well, I thought it would be cool to have it | 16:29 |
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| dzimine | if so, we'll need 1) add it to mistral extra DSL and 2) run the smtp server somewhere. | 16:29 |
| rakhmerov | it's done, isn't it? | 16:29 |
| rakhmerov | ooh, yes, I see what you're saying | 16:29 |
| dzimine | e.g., make it part of the 'client' application, so that it receives and logs the email | 16:30 |
| dzimine | as for "done" - not to production, no, but demonstrable. | 16:30 |
| rakhmerov | yes | 16:30 |
| dzimine | So I can work on this. | 16:30 |
| rakhmerov | #action Add using "email" action into the example and run smtp server (e.g. as a part of the client application) | 16:31 |
| rakhmerov | ok, sure | 16:31 |
| rakhmerov | it's your thing | 16:31 |
| dzimine | This is called as a work item on the blueprint already. | 16:31 |
| rakhmerov | yep | 16:31 |
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| dzimine | Thus I don't mark blueprint complete. For details you can always check what is between now and DONE at the blueprint work items. | 16:32 |
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| rakhmerov | ok | 16:32 |
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| rakhmerov | btw, guys, can you please advise when we consider a blueprint done and can mark it correspondingly? | 16:33 |
| dzimine | The sucky part is we'll need to define a 'service' in DSL for email even though it's a standard task but ok for now | 16:33 |
| rakhmerov | from your experience with OpenStack | 16:33 |
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| rakhmerov | dzimine, totally agree with you, it's a sucky part :) I think we discussed before that we can make DSL more flexible in this regard | 16:34 |
| rakhmerov | so that we can skip "service" declaration if it's something simple to configure | 16:34 |
| dzimine | yes we did discuss it let's just postpone this and return past POC. | 16:35 |
| rakhmerov | ok | 16:35 |
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| rakhmerov | so from my side I don't have anything specific left to discuss for now | 16:35 |
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| dzimine | discuss design prior to implementation? | 16:36 |
| dzimine | we / you are sort of doing it already. | 16:36 |
| dzimine | Just wonder how can we do it better. | 16:36 |
| rakhmerov | yes | 16:36 |
| dzimine | Case 1) Renat, your changes - I haven't found any thing on them but assume you and Nicolay have talked about it. | 16:36 |
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| dzimine | case 2) Winson changes: again, hard to review when we don't know where he is going with it. | 16:37 |
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| dzimine | Solution 1) write a spec | 16:37 |
| rakhmerov | ok | 16:37 |
| dzimine | problem: too slow. | 16:37 |
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| rakhmerov | why? | 16:37 |
| dzimine | Solution 2) have a discussion | 16:37 |
| rakhmerov | why is it too slow? | 16:37 |
| dzimine | problems: exclusive - not everyone can participate, time overlap is a problem | 16:38 |
| dzimine | Writing a spec is not slow, discussing it may be. | 16:38 |
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| dzimine | I am not saying "NO", to it, just calling out the problems :) | 16:38 |
| rakhmerov | I see | 16:38 |
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| rakhmerov | well, I think we should use ML more intensively | 16:39 |
| rakhmerov | first of all | 16:39 |
| rakhmerov | I know you may have gotten sick of these words already (because I keep repeating it all the time) | 16:39 |
| rakhmerov | but I really mean that | 16:39 |
| rakhmerov | and we already started doing it but it's not enough IMO | 16:39 |
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| dzimine | My suggestion: 1) do write a spec (any form, etherpad may be ok) and 2) if it's non-trivial, call a meeting to discuss it, in the overlap time, and who wants to join and can join, joins | 16:40 |
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| dzimine | RE: openstack-dev - yes, this is not a replacement for specs, but we can use it to share and point to specs, and discuss it. | 16:40 |
| rakhmerov | yes | 16:41 |
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| dzimine | so what do you think of spec/meeting combo? | 16:41 |
| rakhmerov | I meant that we can use ML to discuss specs | 16:41 |
| rakhmerov | combo :) | 16:41 |
| rakhmerov | cool | 16:41 |
| rakhmerov | yes, we can try this | 16:41 |
| dzimine | and yes we can and should use openstack-dev to discuss the spec, so it will be 1-2-3 (renat, for you ;-)) | 16:42 |
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| dzimine | 1) spec 2) meeting 3) summary and follow-up on openstack-dev | 16:42 |
| rakhmerov | but, Dmitri, I think we can do it not very frequently, we already have tons of meetings every day (life is life) | 16:42 |
| dzimine | sure, but big ideas like data flow don't come very frequently either ;) | 16:43 |
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| dzimine | we have one big change a week, we may make time/ | 16:43 |
| rakhmerov | so I think 1-2 times a week it may be feasible but not more often | 16:43 |
| dzimine | what are others think about it? | 16:43 |
| rakhmerov | well, I agree, let's try this | 16:43 |
| dzimine | yes you're right, renat, it's hard to stick more than 2 extra meetings into the week. | 16:43 |
| dzimine | but again, hopefully not everyone needs to be on each. | 16:44 |
| dzimine | Nicolay, Timur, what you say? | 16:44 |
| rakhmerov | dunno, I would like everyone to participate in the most important design decisions | 16:44 |
| rakhmerov | everyone | 16:44 |
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| rakhmerov | tnurlygayanov, nmakhotkin? | 16:45 |
| rakhmerov | they might have gone to bed :) | 16:46 |
| dzimine | yes, and with #3 follow-up on openstack-dev everyone will, even if he/she missed the meeting. | 16:46 |
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| rakhmerov | dzimine, ok | 16:46 |
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| rakhmerov | dzimine, let me discuss that with Nikolay and Timur tomorrow. I believe they left for today (busy with something else) | 16:47 |
| rakhmerov | but generally yes, we need to do this | 16:47 |
| rakhmerov | from my side, I'm ready | 16:47 |
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| rakhmerov | is there anything else to discuss today? I didn't plan anything certain | 16:48 |
| rakhmerov | we can finish at this point unless you have anything else | 16:48 |
| rakhmerov | ooh, btw, enykeev, do you have any questions/comments? | 16:49 |
| rakhmerov | we only have 10 mins | 16:49 |
| rakhmerov | but we're in the same timezone so we can chat through the day | 16:50 |
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| rakhmerov | ok, let's finish then? | 16:51 |
| rakhmerov | ok, thanks to everyone for joining today | 16:51 |
| rakhmerov | bye-bye | 16:51 |
| rakhmerov | #endmeeting | 16:51 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Feb 24 16:51:51 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:51 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/mistral/2014/mistral.2014-02-24-16.00.html | 16:51 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/mistral/2014/mistral.2014-02-24-16.00.txt | 16:51 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/mistral/2014/mistral.2014-02-24-16.00.log.html | 16:51 |
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| dzimine | ok, anything else? time to go to bed? | 16:55 |
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| nmakhotkin | Looks good to do one extra meeting, but I don't sure I'll always be on it | 16:55 |
| dzimine | it's not recurrent, but -on-demand. | 16:55 |
| nmakhotkin | Ok | 16:55 |
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| dzimine | next logical one when Manas will discuss the repeater. | 16:56 |
| dzimine | but if his spec is good we may not need one ;0) | 16:56 |
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| NobodyCam | #startmeeting Ironic | 19:00 |
| NobodyCam | #chair devananda | 19:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Feb 24 19:00:11 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is NobodyCam. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:00 |
| NobodyCam | Welcome everyone to the Ironic meeting. | 19:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Ironic)" | 19:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ironic' | 19:00 |
| openstack | Current chairs: NobodyCam devananda | 19:00 |
| devananda | hi all! | 19:00 |
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| matty_dubs | Ahoy! o/ | 19:00 |
| NobodyCam | Who's here for hte meeting | 19:00 |
| ifarkas | o/ | 19:00 |
| lucasagomes | me | 19:00 |
| romcheg | o/ | 19:00 |
| rloo | moi | 19:00 |
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| max_lobur | o/ | 19:00 |
| NobodyCam | Of course the agenda can be found at: | 19:00 |
| NobodyCam | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Ironic#Agenda_for_next_meeting\ | 19:00 |
| NobodyCam | #topic Greetings, roll-call and announcements | 19:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Greetings, roll-call and announcements (Meeting topic: Ironic)" | 19:01 | |
| NobodyCam | Welcome all! | 19:01 |
| NobodyCam | announcments: | 19:01 |
| NobodyCam | Nova driver is currently blocked | 19:01 |
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| k4n0 | o/ | 19:02 |
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| digambar_ | Hi | 19:03 |
| NobodyCam | we Need to have everything in place for us to graduate, While we are blocked this does not mean we can not graduate | 19:03 |
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| NobodyCam | just letting us know we are currently not ready to | 19:03 |
| devananda | The nova team has pushed the deprecate-baremetal-driver BP out to Juno, and said that they won't even start reviewing the driver code until we have functional & integration testing with devstack & tempest | 19:03 |
| k4n0 | can someone list out the blockers? I can help out | 19:03 |
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| ifarkas | k4n0, I think it's this patch: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/70348 | 19:04 |
| devananda | k4n0: at a high level, we're blocked on devstack support | 19:04 |
| k4n0 | ok | 19:04 |
| NobodyCam | #link #topic Greetings, roll-call and announcements | 19:04 |
| devananda | ifarkas: yep, that's one of them | 19:05 |
| NobodyCam | gah | 19:05 |
| NobodyCam | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/70348 | 19:05 |
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| devananda | once we have devstack into a state where it can prepare the environment | 19:05 |
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| devananda | (create a net bridge, some VMs, enroll them in ironic, etc) | 19:05 |
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| NobodyCam | we have had some really good progress over this last weekend! | 19:06 |
| NobodyCam | max_lobur: and at least one other have gotten neutron work! | 19:06 |
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| devananda | then I should be able to create an infra job that runs tempest against devstack with nova.virt.ironic.IronicDriver instead of nova.virt.libvirt.LibvirtDriver | 19:06 |
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| devananda | and run that as an experimental job against the Nova driver patch series ... | 19:06 |
| devananda | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/71026/ | 19:06 |
| max_lobur | :) | 19:07 |
| devananda | agordeev said in channel this morning taht he had solved the networking issue we've been running into | 19:07 |
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| NobodyCam | max_lobur: did I read you also got it working? | 19:07 |
| lucasagomes | w00t! | 19:07 |
| devananda | I haven't seen the changes that make this happen yet, but will test agordeev's patch later today | 19:08 |
| max_lobur | yep, I helped to overcome neutron | 19:08 |
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| devananda | max_lobur: can you summarize what was fixed? | 19:08 |
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| max_lobur | vms rolled by devstack now should be able to get IP from neutron dhcp server | 19:08 |
| devananda | ahh! great | 19:09 |
| max_lobur | this was our main problem | 19:09 |
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| devananda | yep | 19:09 |
| NobodyCam | max_lobur: where was the hart of the bug that stopped us b4? | 19:09 |
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| devananda | PXE driver was correctly settingthe dhcp boot options last week, but in my tests VMs weren't getting IPs. so yea, taht sounds like you guys got it | 19:09 |
| max_lobur | there were a few problems | 19:10 |
| max_lobur | 1st - we did not tagged our traffic | 19:10 |
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| max_lobur | 2nd we did not registered ports for our vms in neutron | 19:10 |
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| max_lobur | * I mean VLAN tags | 19:10 |
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| max_lobur | seems that's all :) | 19:11 |
| NobodyCam | ahh will we be seeing a patch for that soon? | 19:11 |
| NobodyCam | and great work !!!! | 19:11 |
| max_lobur | I thought agordeev already included this, though I did not look yet | 19:12 |
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| max_lobur | and did not test within devstack | 19:12 |
| devananda | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/70348/9/lib/ironic | 19:12 |
| devananda | looks like it's there | 19:12 |
| NobodyCam | perfect :) w00t | 19:12 |
| devananda | though there are a lot of hard-coded IPs and #FIXEM's :( | 19:12 |
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| NobodyCam | lol | 19:12 |
| NobodyCam | we can fix that | 19:12 |
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| devananda | s/a lot/some/ | 19:13 |
| devananda | yea, let's iterate on taht today | 19:13 |
| lucasagomes | when i was testing it, I added the ports and all, but the a neutron port-show command showed that port status as DOWN :( | 19:13 |
| NobodyCam | this leads us to: | 19:13 |
| lucasagomes | it was before the changes today | 19:13 |
| NobodyCam | #topic I-3 Planning | 19:13 |
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| devananda | another thing blocking us -- just the length of the review queue itself. there are some large'ish patches up there that we need to merge soon | 19:13 |
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| devananda | lucasagomes: i haven't figured out why the ports are DOWN either yet | 19:14 |
| max_lobur | lucasagomes: hmm, I did not even look to the status, I think it's ok with any status. Also I remember some issues in neutron led to incorrect status | 19:14 |
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| max_lobur | but this was in grizzly | 19:14 |
| lucasagomes | right, yeah I will give it a go again tomorrow with the new changes | 19:14 |
| max_lobur | maybe they still there | 19:14 |
| devananda | so, I3 milestone will be tagged next week | 19:15 |
| NobodyCam | devananda: lucasagomes does the nova driver need to turn up the Neutron port when it attaches it to the nodes port | 19:15 |
| devananda | we should be aiming to land any remaining major features this week -- eg, console support, pxe driver timeouts, etc | 19:15 |
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| devananda | I'd like to land the NodeManager refactoring as well, if folks feel that it's ready | 19:16 |
| max_lobur | + | 19:16 |
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| lucasagomes | NobodyCam, I think not the nova driver, it should be part of the _update_neutron() call in Ironic I bet | 19:16 |
| NobodyCam | we missed our review jam this morning... maybe tomorrow morning? | 19:16 |
| max_lobur | need to rebase my threading patch for vendor passthru | 19:16 |
| max_lobur | I'll do these days | 19:16 |
| devananda | I will toss up a quick patch to finish https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ironic/+spec/keep-powered-off-nodes-off today | 19:16 |
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| romcheg | NobodyCam: +1 | 19:16 |
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| devananda | there's already sync_power_state, but instead of just updating the DB, it needs to respect waht's in the DB | 19:17 |
| NobodyCam | lucasagomes: ya that sounds better to me | 19:17 |
| devananda | and I think we can mark https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ironic/+spec/add-neutron-support as completed now | 19:17 |
| devananda | since many of us have confirmed that neutron dhcp-extra-opts are being set | 19:17 |
| devananda | yes? | 19:17 |
| max_lobur | I'm not sure about tomorrow, but will update review doc with tested patches as match as possible | 19:17 |
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| max_lobur | *as much | 19:18 |
| NobodyCam | devananda: with agordeev's patch? or with out | 19:18 |
| devananda | NobodyCam: I'm up for a review jam tmw morning, fwiw | 19:18 |
| devananda | NobodyCam: with agordeev's devstack patch -- but taht's just setting up the ENV | 19:18 |
| lucasagomes | NobodyCam, yeah review jam tomorrow seems fine for me as well | 19:18 |
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| devananda | NobodyCam: I meant the the add-neutron-support BP for Ironic is complete | 19:19 |
| lucasagomes | devananda, before marking it as complete, let's try the devstack patch first | 19:19 |
| NobodyCam | devananda: ahh ack +1 | 19:19 |
| NobodyCam | lucasagomes: neutron is getting setup | 19:20 |
| devananda | lucasagomes: what i mean is, ironic is correctly configuring neutron's dhcp opts, if neutron is present | 19:20 |
| NobodyCam | I think we can call it done as this is a env on / off issue | 19:20 |
| devananda | we probably need to improve handling around errors, etc | 19:20 |
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| NobodyCam | devananda: +1 in lots of places | 19:20 |
| devananda | and refactor it so that PXE driver doesn't depend on neutron (eg, add a thin abstraction and allow it to work with other DHCP services) | 19:20 |
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| NobodyCam | devananda: for graduation or in the J cycle? | 19:21 |
| NobodyCam | ^^ for refactor | 19:21 |
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| devananda | NobodyCam: J | 19:22 |
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| NobodyCam | then +1 | 19:22 |
| NobodyCam | :-p | 19:22 |
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| NobodyCam | ook so that brings me to : | 19:22 |
| devananda | so we also still have a lot of HIGH bugs marked as Needs Review and targetd to I3 | 19:23 |
| devananda | #link https://launchpad.net/ironic/+milestone/icehouse-3 | 19:23 |
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| devananda | I'd like to see us focus on those too :) | 19:23 |
| devananda | (i know, focus in a dozen places is not really focusing..) | 19:23 |
| lucasagomes | +1 | 19:23 |
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| NobodyCam | devananda: how about the first 15 - 30 minutes for review jam is also used for bug jamming | 19:23 |
| NobodyCam | :-p | 19:23 |
| devananda | NobodyCam: ++ | 19:24 |
| max_lobur | ++ | 19:24 |
| wanyen | I would like to give an update on iLO driver https://review.openstack.org/#/c/73787/. We submitted a new patch set today, please review and provide comments. Thanks! | 19:24 |
| max_lobur | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ironic/+bug/1279206 look already fixed for example | 19:24 |
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| lucasagomes | NobodyCam, +1 | 19:24 |
| NobodyCam | Hi wanyen, can you hold that for open Discussion | 19:24 |
| wanyen | sure. | 19:25 |
| NobodyCam | #toipc code cleanup | 19:25 |
| NobodyCam | "with mock" vs "@mock" & "node['property']" vs "node.property" | 19:25 |
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| devananda | NobodyCam: typo :p | 19:25 |
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| devananda | #topic code cleanup | 19:25 |
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| max_lobur | :) | 19:25 |
| NobodyCam | #topic code cleanup | 19:25 |
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| NobodyCam | lol | 19:25 |
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| NobodyCam | lucasagomes: was the mock vs @mock yours | 19:26 |
| devananda | right, so there are some large patches doing code cleanup, and some large patches making functional changes | 19:26 |
| max_lobur | "with mock" vs "@mock" & "node['property']" vs "node.property" - vote up! | 19:26 |
| lucasagomes | was? not really, I used @mock in the nova ironic volume driver tho | 19:26 |
| lucasagomes | it's useful and cleaner | 19:26 |
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| lucasagomes | I don't see there's a mock vs @mock here | 19:26 |
| lucasagomes | if we want to mock an attribute of a class we still need to use "with mock" | 19:27 |
| romcheg | or change mocks inside the test | 19:27 |
| devananda | I agree, @mock is pretty clean, and the patch changing it looks reasonably small | 19:27 |
| NobodyCam | I like the idea of both of these thing, standardizing code and clean up.. but we are up agenst the wall ATM and I feel these are better addressed post I release | 19:27 |
| devananda | yea... and I didn't follow up from last meeting. sorry about that, guys | 19:28 |
| matty_dubs | NobodyCam++ | 19:28 |
| devananda | i'll do that right after this meeting | 19:28 |
| lucasagomes | NobodyCam, +1 | 19:28 |
| k4n0 | NobodyCam, +1 | 19:28 |
| devananda | NobodyCam: want to action me? | 19:28 |
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| max_lobur | +1 for any way to cut the review queue :) | 19:29 |
| NobodyCam | devananda: same action you where going to -2 some reviews to clean the queue up | 19:29 |
| devananda | yep | 19:29 |
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| NobodyCam | I think we all agreed thats a good thing at this point | 19:30 |
| NobodyCam | #action devananda to -2 reviews that should be held until after IceHouse is cut | 19:31 |
| lucasagomes | about the node['property'] vs node.property, I suggest we to follow markmc's comments at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/64336/ (Patchset #13) | 19:31 |
| NobodyCam | too many windows | 19:31 |
| devananda | romcheg, max_lobur, NobodyCam, lucasagomes - what about vendor drivers? any of you at this point have time to work on those? | 19:31 |
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| NobodyCam | I have started looking at the Ilo driver but not the SeaMicro yet | 19:32 |
| devananda | lucasagomes: yes - I agree that we need to follow markmc's comment there as far as the object base class goes | 19:32 |
| devananda | #topic vendor drivers | 19:33 |
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| romcheg | devananda: I think ilo driver would be easier to review if it was splited onto smaller patches | 19:33 |
| romcheg | but I also started looking on it | 19:33 |
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| max_lobur | devananda: you mean to review them? | 19:33 |
| lucasagomes | devananda, I think we should review the vendor drivers, because although we don't need it for graduation they are using our vendor_passthru interface and finding the gaps within it | 19:33 |
| romcheg | I left the same comment inline | 19:33 |
| lucasagomes | which is good for a design point of view | 19:33 |
| max_lobur | I can spend some time if there are no other urgent things | 19:33 |
| max_lobur | and will definitely review them this weekend | 19:34 |
| lucasagomes | like the MultipleVendorInterface | 19:34 |
| devananda | max_lobur: yea. at least to provide feedback to the developers and, as lucasagomes points out, see what they are needing from the common code | 19:34 |
| max_lobur | devananda: ++ | 19:34 |
| k4n0 | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/70719/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/70720/ :) | 19:34 |
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| NobodyCam | devananda: ++ | 19:34 |
| max_lobur | lucasagomes: good point | 19:34 |
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| romcheg | I would be useful to test them on real hardware | 19:34 |
| wanyen | iLO driver https://review.openstack.org/#/c/73787/ | 19:35 |
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| NobodyCam | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/73787 | 19:35 |
| devananda | FWIW, i think it's important for us to provide some feedback to vendors on these drivers before the Icehouse release, even if it's not a release-critical item, and even if we don't merge them yet | 19:35 |
| lucasagomes | wanyen, k4n0 thanks! I will take a look as soon as I can | 19:35 |
| k4n0 | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/70719/ | 19:35 |
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| k4n0 | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/70720/ | 19:35 |
| devananda | as far as testing on real hardware goes -- I sent an email to the -dev list a while back | 19:35 |
| devananda | outlining what I think we should expect from Vendors that want to provide a driver | 19:36 |
| max_lobur | well, whether they work or not on the real hardware - I think it's vendor's responsibility hehehe :) | 19:36 |
| NobodyCam | wanyen: is 73790 still needed or are you working with it | 19:36 |
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| devananda | max_lobur: IMO, it's vendor's responsibility to prove that it works on the hardware they claim it works on | 19:36 |
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| max_lobur | true | 19:36 |
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| NobodyCam | devananda: DO we require smoke test to show its working | 19:37 |
| devananda | max_lobur: and continue to demonstrate that via jenkins test runs triggered by any change to ironic code | 19:37 |
| romcheg | Well while we expect vendors to be responsible we should also check everything we accept | 19:37 |
| devananda | NobodyCam: I proposed that we needed that by Juno release ... lemme find the email | 19:37 |
| matty_dubs | romcheg: I don't disagree, but I'm not sure it's always possible | 19:37 |
| max_lobur | devananda: yea, but that will be possible once we have agreed the approach - e.g. vendor labs etc | 19:37 |
| matty_dubs | i.e., with SeaMicro -- most of us probably don't have one of their machines lying around | 19:38 |
| max_lobur | I thought this discussion is planned for summit, right? | 19:38 |
| romcheg | max_lobur: right | 19:38 |
| NobodyCam | max_lobur: ++ | 19:38 |
| max_lobur | cool | 19:38 |
| wanyen | My udnerstandign is that we changed scp to sftp so we don't need is https://review.openstack.org/#/c/73790/. But I will double check with the team. | 19:38 |
| matty_dubs | Oh, nice. | 19:38 |
| k4n0 | SeaMicro is cool with Vendor labs in their premise | 19:38 |
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| k4n0 | We can do third party testing for each ironic patch | 19:38 |
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| lucasagomes | will vendors provide a way to test their hardware right? cause I think it's important, we don't want to have broken code in trunk | 19:39 |
| devananda | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-January/024823.html | 19:39 |
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| NobodyCam | lucasagomes: yes that is the plan see ^^^ | 19:39 |
| lucasagomes | awesome | 19:39 |
| NobodyCam | thank you devananda | 19:39 |
| devananda | k4n0: fantastic, glad to hear that :) | 19:39 |
| max_lobur | yea that's it | 19:39 |
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| NobodyCam | :) | 19:40 |
| devananda | k4n0: obviously, we need a way to test ironic in devstack/tempest upstream first -- that's the patch agordeev has been working on (linked earlier today) | 19:40 |
| k4n0 | devananda: Yes | 19:40 |
| devananda | k4n0: my goal would be for the same devstack/tempest job in your lab, just with a different Ironic configuration | 19:40 |
| k4n0 | devananda: Ideally only the driver info and confs will change :) | 19:41 |
| devananda | and instead of running tests for every patchset to related projects (eg nova/glance/etc) it would only run for ones in the ironic queue | 19:41 |
| NobodyCam | k4n0: that how I Sea it (pun intended) | 19:41 |
| devananda | k4n0: some bits in devstack will change too - -instead of generating VMs to enroll with Ironic, you'll pass in a .csv (or something) with hardware info | 19:41 |
| devananda | k4n0: and maybe a bit of network difference, too | 19:42 |
| k4n0 | NobodyCam: I Sea micro changes required to agordeev patch to get them working for us | 19:42 |
| k4n0 | devananda: correct | 19:42 |
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| NobodyCam | k4n0: :-p | 19:42 |
| k4n0 | devananda: Since we have time till J-2 milestone, we can discuss this in detail after Summit? | 19:42 |
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| devananda | k4n0: either at or after -- yes :) | 19:42 |
| k4n0 | devananda: Sure, at and after :) | 19:43 |
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| k4n0 | devananda: I will get the CI setup done in our env till then | 19:43 |
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| devananda | NobodyCam: I think that's it for the planned topics... anything else or shall we open the floor? | 19:43 |
| k4n0 | devananda: I am looking at Jay pipes blogs for setting up third party CI | 19:43 |
| NobodyCam | wanyen: has your team looked to to what will be needed to test the Ilo driver? | 19:43 |
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| NobodyCam | one sec devananda | 19:44 |
| devananda | ack | 19:44 |
| wanyen | You mean tempest and hardware? | 19:44 |
| jaypipes | k4n0: I'm available if you need assistance. | 19:44 |
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| NobodyCam | wanyen: yes so that the ILO driver will be tested with every commit | 19:44 |
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| NobodyCam | we can talk offline about that | 19:45 |
| wanyen | yes. We looked into that and have done some tempest test. | 19:45 |
| k4n0 | jaypipes: Thanks Jay, will email you for sure | 19:45 |
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| NobodyCam | wanyen: we will need hardware to actually test the driver with | 19:45 |
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| devananda | NobodyCam: no we won't :) | 19:46 |
| wanyen | Hardware in our development lab, yes. | 19:46 |
| NobodyCam | devananda: are we concerned about different versions | 19:46 |
| NobodyCam | ie Ilo1,2,3,4 | 19:46 |
| devananda | NobodyCam: the iLO team will need to have the automated smoke tests running in their own hardware env and reporting them back to gerrit | 19:46 |
| wanyen | we will support ilo4 and beyond. We have tested on ProLiant gen7 & Gen 8 servers. | 19:47 |
| NobodyCam | yes that is what I tried to say... | 19:47 |
| NobodyCam | great | 19:47 |
| max_lobur | :) | 19:47 |
| NobodyCam | ok then open the gates: | 19:47 |
| NobodyCam | #topic Open Discussion | 19:47 |
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| k4n0 | I want to take inputs about https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ironic/+spec/advanced-driver-api | 19:48 |
| * devananda looks | 19:48 | |
| * NobodyCam clicks | 19:48 | |
| devananda | ahh | 19:48 |
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| devananda | that | 19:48 |
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| max_lobur | vendor passthru ? | 19:48 |
| devananda | max_lobur: not exactly | 19:49 |
| k4n0 | max_lobur: No, we are exposing drivers via API | 19:49 |
| devananda | max_lobur: more like what rloo proposed here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/73005/ | 19:49 |
| lucasagomes | right, we have a /drivers now but it's pretty much list the current active drivers | 19:49 |
| lucasagomes | we want to expand it? | 19:49 |
| k4n0 | Talking specifically about auto discovery using this API, would there be node registrations on discovery? | 19:49 |
| k4n0 | lucasagomes: Yes, we need to be able to call driver functions via API | 19:50 |
| k4n0 | lucasagomes: Without needing any node object | 19:50 |
| lucasagomes | right | 19:50 |
| max_lobur | ahh | 19:50 |
| max_lobur | I see | 19:50 |
| romcheg | Ahh! | 19:50 |
| devananda | this also raises the issue of request/response for long-lived requests | 19:50 |
| devananda | there are a few ways we could do that without a Node resource | 19:51 |
| devananda | * return Request-ID in the resposne header, let client poll for that | 19:51 |
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| devananda | * let client pass a callback URI, and have server issue a request to client's API when done | 19:52 |
| k4n0 | devananda: Request-id looks good, but we should also have API to list all queued request-id's | 19:52 |
| NobodyCam | k4n0: I see cases where operators may want auto enrollment but there is also a good case for not auto enrollong them. | 19:52 |
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| k4n0 | NobodyCam: What is that case? | 19:52 |
| devananda | k4n0: security | 19:52 |
| max_lobur | request id looks simpler | 19:52 |
| devananda | k4n0: discover then compare results to part #'s | 19:52 |
| NobodyCam | I think we need a conf switch for that type of option | 19:52 |
| devananda | and yes, that should be configurable | 19:53 |
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| devananda | max_lobur: request-id is not that simple. it would require a separate scheduling service to queue up requests, track them, etc | 19:53 |
| devananda | a callback API is actually much simpler on the server side AND much more scalable | 19:53 |
| max_lobur | if we don't auto enroll them, what user should poll for? | 19:53 |
| devananda | max_lobur: or enroll-but-disable | 19:54 |
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| max_lobur | ah, make sense | 19:54 |
| k4n0 | devananda: +1 for enroll-and-disable | 19:54 |
| devananda | k4n0: what do you think of a callback API for drivers? | 19:54 |
| max_lobur | enroll -> disable | 19:54 |
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| devananda | eg, request would include a URL to which Ironic would POST any nodes it discovered | 19:55 |
| k4n0 | devananda: API user passes callback url for drivers to callback? | 19:55 |
| devananda | yes | 19:55 |
| k4n0 | devananda: cleaner than request-id | 19:55 |
| NobodyCam | five minute bell | 19:55 |
| devananda | rather than the user polling Ironic to see when their request is complete | 19:55 |
| devananda | whcih also does not scale with large number of clients | 19:55 |
| max_lobur | and less heavy for the api than polling | 19:55 |
| k4n0 | devananda: correct, callback sounds good | 19:55 |
| devananda | a callback would allow Ironic to POST when it's done | 19:55 |
| NobodyCam | devananda: that also seem a bit beter for ha stuff too? | 19:56 |
| devananda | yea | 19:56 |
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| devananda | the other wrinkle is that there will be many conductor processes running | 19:56 |
| devananda | nodes are hashed across them | 19:56 |
| max_lobur | what if that callback failed? lost connection for a moment, etc | 19:56 |
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| devananda | but drivers may run on 1 or more conductors (or all of them) | 19:56 |
| devananda | should a driver action be routed to one instance of that driver, or broadcast to all of them? | 19:57 |
| lucasagomes | yeah callback sounds reasonable | 19:57 |
| lucasagomes | max_lobur, retry? | 19:57 |
| max_lobur | retry discovering? and rolling up the nodes.. | 19:57 |
| lucasagomes | devananda, maybe make it optional? | 19:57 |
| k4n0 | devananda: drivers can maintain state of current callback | 19:57 |
| max_lobur | looks long | 19:57 |
| k4n0 | ? | 19:57 |
| lucasagomes | fan=[True|False] | 19:57 |
| lucasagomes | broadcast* | 19:58 |
| NobodyCam | lucasagomes: like unicast? | 19:58 |
| devananda | RPC layer supports fanout | 19:58 |
| lucasagomes | NobodyCam, yeah, well some actions might need to be done on each condutor that contains that driver | 19:58 |
| lucasagomes | others not | 19:58 |
| devananda | lucasagomes: right | 19:58 |
| lucasagomes | so it might make sense to make broadcast optional | 19:59 |
| devananda | but vendor_passthru is not inspected within the API | 19:59 |
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| NobodyCam | one minte | 19:59 |
| devananda | discovery will need to be a separate URI outside of vendor_passthru | 19:59 |
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| max_lobur | let's continue in ironic | 19:59 |
| devananda | *I think discovery will ... | 19:59 |
| lucasagomes | devananda, yeah, we might even thing about putting vendor_passthru at / | 19:59 |
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| NobodyCam | can we move this back to -ironic? | 19:59 |
| lucasagomes | and making node an parameter | 19:59 |
| devananda | sure :) | 19:59 |
| k4n0 | Sure | 19:59 |
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| max_lobur | Thanks Everyone | 20:00 |
| devananda | thanks all! see you next seek! | 20:00 |
| devananda | *week | 20:00 |
| k4n0 | Thanks :) | 20:00 |
| lucasagomes | thanks all | 20:00 |
| ifarkas | thanks | 20:00 |
| lucasagomes | oh btw | 20:00 |
| max_lobur | :) | 20:00 |
| matty_dubs | See ya! | 20:00 |
| romcheg | thanks | 20:00 |
| NobodyCam | thank you all we are moving back to our home channel | 20:00 |
| devananda | #endmeeting | 20:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Feb 24 20:00:18 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2014/ironic.2014-02-24-19.00.html | 20:00 |
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| sarob | #startmeeting milk | 20:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Feb 24 20:01:33 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sarob. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: milk)" | 20:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'milk' | 20:01 |
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| MrJoshua | I'm here. | 20:02 |
| MrJoshua | Finally. | 20:02 |
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| sarob | :) | 20:02 |
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| sarob | im pinging guillaume | 20:02 |
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| sarob | oh way, lets proceed | 20:04 |
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| sarob | #topic bootcamp | 20:04 |
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| sarob | #link https://docs.google.com/a/yahoo-inc.com/document/d/1QiZ_PJTIFwKOmHPYhtez0TTEXHUb1r21OV0-PoNN45U/edit?usp=sharing | 20:05 |
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| sarob | the bootcamp structure is laid out at the bottom of the gdoc | 20:06 |
| sarob | have you a look? | 20:06 |
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| MrJoshua | Yes, Is that doc a cut and paste from something else? | 20:06 |
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| sarob | nope | 20:08 |
| sarob | all created last week | 20:08 |
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| MrJoshua | K, so a few questions... | 20:08 |
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| sarob | question away | 20:09 |
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| MrJoshua | There's discussion about difficulty level which sounds very general. Are we talking about a certification system? I guess I don't understand the relevance. | 20:10 |
| sarob | im running an open source training program | 20:11 |
| sarob | the training guide we are working on right now | 20:11 |
| sarob | im creating a condensed version of the guide as a bootcamp | 20:11 |
| sarob | to get etc devs up to speed | 20:12 |
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| sarob | the section Appendix: How To Participate Bootcamp | 20:13 |
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| sarob | we are going to run through the first revision of that tomorrow | 20:13 |
| sarob | does that make more sense? | 20:14 |
| MrJoshua | Ok got it. So as far as this doc is concerned we're focusing just on "how to participate"? | 20:14 |
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| MrJoshua | for tomorrow | 20:14 |
| sarob | just the last section | 20:14 |
| sarob | yup | 20:14 |
| sarob | the developer training as a whole is meant to take two weeks | 20:15 |
| sarob | we doing the condensed version | 20:15 |
| sarob | 6 hours | 20:15 |
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| MrJoshua | Ok good, makes sense. I was concerned that we'd be burning time going over how to program in Python, TDD, or Agile etc. | 20:16 |
| MrJoshua | I'm looking forward to it. | 20:16 |
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| sarob | nope, not enough time | 20:17 |
| MrJoshua | yeah | 20:17 |
| sarob | i working out the materials today | 20:17 |
| sarob | ill be patching them to #link http://docs.openstack.org/training-guides/ | 20:18 |
| MrJoshua | So I'm thinking this is 100% the focus for tomorrow, so I won't worry about discussing framework er... work. | 20:19 |
| sarob | right | 20:19 |
| sarob | my intent is to get the team up to speed on how to contribute | 20:19 |
| sarob | then our framework contributions will be less difficult | 20:20 |
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| MrJoshua | Yep, great. Much needed. | 20:20 |
| MrJoshua | Did Erik get you a head count yet? Any idea how many we have? | 20:21 |
| sarob | right now its you, me, and guillaume | 20:21 |
| sarob | which is fine as a first run at this | 20:21 |
| sarob | next time you guys can help teach the next batch | 20:22 |
| MrJoshua | Sure, and makes sense if we're reviewing. | 20:22 |
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| MrJoshua | So how are we doing it, online, at ETC, irc, phone ? | 20:23 |
| sarob | at ETC | 20:23 |
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| MrJoshua | k, starting 9am? | 20:24 |
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| sarob | #link https://groups.google.com/a/etcusc.org/forum/#!topic/milk-dev/fVKUlXJjWCk | 20:25 |
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| sarob | i planned on 10am | 20:26 |
| sarob | im flying in tomorrow morning | 20:26 |
| MrJoshua | ok, all good then. | 20:26 |
| sarob | lets change topics | 20:27 |
| sarob | #topic milk api | 20:27 |
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| MrJoshua | Ok, so I've done some work with this, more or less in a vacuum. | 20:28 |
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| sarob | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Milk#design | 20:28 |
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| sarob | hit me with what you have | 20:28 |
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| MrJoshua | I've been putting together a Apiary 'blueprint'. | 20:30 |
| sarob | this one #link http://docs.milk.apiary.io/ | 20:30 |
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| sarob | i agree with the approach | 20:31 |
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| sarob | define verbs, methods | 20:32 |
| sarob | prototype in apiary | 20:32 |
| MrJoshua | In it i've put a number of components there from our work on C4 that I think generalize well. | 20:32 |
| MrJoshua | yes | 20:32 |
| MrJoshua | that one | 20:32 |
| MrJoshua | but I haven't published there yet | 20:32 |
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| sarob | ah okay | 20:32 |
| MrJoshua | I'd like to integrate with Guillaume's work | 20:32 |
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| sarob | can you push your text to the milk wiki page? | 20:33 |
| sarob | we should be communicating through the wiki, mailing list | 20:33 |
| MrJoshua | And I was waiting to understand how to link it properly with OpenStack submission process . | 20:33 |
| MrJoshua | yes | 20:33 |
| MrJoshua | Which I will learn how to do tomorrow. ;) | 20:34 |
| sarob | that way we can get the rest of the group involvved | 20:34 |
| sarob | right | 20:34 |
| sarob | dump what you are working on into the wiki | 20:34 |
| MrJoshua | Yep, will do. | 20:34 |
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| sarob | I created a starting spot for you in the wiki design section | 20:36 |
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| sarob | see it? | 20:36 |
| MrJoshua | Ah, yes good. | 20:36 |
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| sarob | the wiki syntax is a bit primitive but works | 20:36 |
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| MrJoshua | K, I'll manage I'm more a markdown person anyway. | 20:37 |
| sarob | we just need to define some verbs, methods | 20:37 |
| sarob | write up what you have | 20:37 |
| sarob | once we decide on a few | 20:37 |
| MrJoshua | Should I put the architecture notes from my email there too? | 20:38 |
| sarob | we can get some thing pushed to the repo pretty quick | 20:38 |
| sarob | yes | 20:38 |
| sarob | def | 20:38 |
| sarob | we can worry about cleaning up the structure | 20:38 |
| sarob | after the fact | 20:38 |
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| sarob | better to get stuff on paper | 20:39 |
| sarob | ready, shoot, aim | 20:39 |
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| MrJoshua | I never got any comments on that one way or another. | 20:40 |
| MrJoshua | launchpad is strange. I used the wrong email address, changed it, but now it still wants to use the one I started with. | 20:40 |
| MrJoshua | sure, sounds good. | 20:40 |
| sarob | it creates an openid account | 20:41 |
| sarob | https://launchpad.net/~sarob | 20:41 |
| sarob | is mine | 20:42 |
| MrJoshua | I'll try to dump as much as I can today, and over the next few days. | 20:42 |
| sarob | excellent | 20:42 |
| sarob | we could be done with the milk project in a few days | 20:42 |
| sarob | its pretty simple concept | 20:42 |
| sarob | its the collaboration that is the important bit | 20:43 |
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| MrJoshua | yes, always hard that. | 20:43 |
| sarob | well we two | 20:43 |
| MrJoshua | Ok sorted launch pad, odd UX, I'm easily confused. | 20:43 |
| sarob | no prob | 20:44 |
| sarob | thats what tomorrow is for | 20:44 |
| sarob | to explain the contribution tools and workflow | 20:44 |
| sarob | companies have failed because they couldnt figure it out | 20:45 |
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| sarob | its part of the reason openstack community work | 20:45 |
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| sarob | see you on the mailing list and wiki before tomorrow? | 20:46 |
| sarob | ill be posting the link to the materials | 20:46 |
| MrJoshua | Yep, I'll do my best. Bit of a tight schedule today to open up tomorrow, but I'll try to get out what I can. | 20:47 |
| sarob | understood | 20:47 |
| sarob | thanks for joining | 20:47 |
| sarob | signing off | 20:47 |
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| MrJoshua | k later | 20:47 |
| sarob | #endmeeting | 20:47 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Feb 24 20:47:30 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:47 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/milk/2014/milk.2014-02-24-20.01.html | 20:47 |
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| markmcclain | arosenm amotoki, obondarev: ping | 21:01 |
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| markmcclain | #startmeeting Networking | 21:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Feb 24 21:02:16 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is markmcclain. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:02 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking' | 21:02 |
| markmcclain | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Network/Meetings Agenda | 21:02 |
| emagana_ | markmcclain: last minute changes | 21:02 |
| markmcclain | Mostly the standard agenda with one special item this week | 21:02 |
| markmcclain | #topic Announcements | 21:03 |
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| markmcclain | #info Icehouse-3 merge window closes at the end of the day on March 4th | 21:03 |
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| markmcclain | We have lots of in progress reviews and many will need to several iterations to ready for merging | 21:04 |
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| markmcclain | it is important both the proposers and reviewers be responsive this week | 21:04 |
| markmcclain | #link https://launchpad.net/neutron/+milestone/icehouse-3 | 21:05 |
| markmcclain | Review for blueprints not in Icehouse-3 are being deferred to Juno | 21:05 |
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| markmcclain | #topic Bugs | 21:06 |
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| markmcclain | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bugs?search=Search&field.importance=Critical&field.status=New&field.status=Confirmed&field.status=Triaged&field.status=In+Progress | 21:07 |
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| markmcclain | We have 4 open critical bugs. Most of these we have been carrying for some time | 21:07 |
| markmcclain | The incident rate of https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1253896 | 21:07 |
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| salv-orlando | markmcclain: I think we should reduce its criticality to high. | 21:08 |
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| markmcclain | salv-orlando: that's my thinking as weel | 21:09 |
| markmcclain | well | 21:09 |
| salv-orlando | same for bug 1273386 (not sure what to with it since the bug is actually still there) | 21:09 |
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| salv-orlando | but now we know it's not critical at least | 21:09 |
| markmcclain | yeah… for 1273386 reducing makes sense too | 21:09 |
| salv-orlando | Sorry for keeping posting on this topic, but also 1112912 an 1230407 should be retriaged | 21:10 |
| salv-orlando | I think the first can be closed, and the latter perhaps is not anymore valid now | 21:10 |
| markmcclain | I'm planning on including in the release notes that running an network node and nova-compute on same host when key injection is enabled should be avoided on 12.04 | 21:10 |
| salv-orlando | on the other hand, I would like to raise to critical the two top offenders for the full neutron tempest job | 21:10 |
| salv-orlando | plus one bug which was filed by lifeless | 21:11 |
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| markmcclain | I missed the merge on #1112912 | 21:11 |
| markmcclain | I've updated the status | 21:11 |
| salv-orlando | The bug I am talking about are: | 21:11 |
| salv-orlando | 1 | 21:11 |
| salv-orlando | 1) bug 1283522 | 21:11 |
| salv-orlando | https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1283522 | 21:12 |
| salv-orlando | 2) https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1265495 | 21:12 |
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| salv-orlando | can't find the one lifeless filed now... | 21:12 |
| arosen | Hiya sorry running late. | 21:12 |
| lifeless | salv-orlando: is it in this list - https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/ ? | 21:13 |
| markmcclain | ok looks like enikanorov_ is looking into 1283522 | 21:13 |
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| salv-orlando | lifeless… the one about "queue pool limit x of y"... | 21:13 |
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| salv-orlando | bug 1282482 I think | 21:14 |
| markmcclain | I pushed https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1265495 back to critical | 21:14 |
| armax | bug #1282421 might need attention too as it may add instability to the gate | 21:14 |
| armax | I have a fix, but I am working on UT's | 21:14 |
| markmcclain | armax: great | 21:15 |
| armax | http://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1282421 | 21:15 |
| armax | looks line the bot is not working today? | 21:16 |
| armax | s/line/like | 21:16 |
| salv-orlando | the bot appears to not be running. Hey openstack are you there? | 21:16 |
| salv-orlando | looks like it's not | 21:16 |
| markmcclain | yeah not sure what is going on with linking bugs | 21:17 |
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| markmcclain | re 1273386 looks like we still have don't have full crash dump for the kernel team to use | 21:18 |
| markmcclain | but I agree that moving high makes sense now that we have reasonable workaround for the upstream issue | 21:18 |
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| salv-orlando | yeah I got pinged for providing a repro | 21:18 |
| markmcclain | Any other bugs to discuss? | 21:19 |
| salv-orlando | but I had other things to tend to last week unfortunately | 21:19 |
| salv-orlando | I don't think there is any other bugs which deserves the team's attention here. | 21:19 |
| salv-orlando | For a full list of bugs to fix for having the full jobs working decently, see the mailing listy | 21:19 |
| markmcclain | yeah.. I include a full tempest further down the agenda | 21:21 |
| markmcclain | #topic Docs | 21:21 |
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| markmcclain | emagana_: hi | 21:21 |
| emagana_ | markmcclain: Hi there! | 21:21 |
| emagana_ | Basically, want to share with the team the work that some folks are doing for improving and cleaning the Installation Guide | 21:21 |
| markmcclain | cool | 21:22 |
| markmcclain | now that we're getting close to the feature freeze have we begun make sure any changes with DocImpact have a corresponding doc bug? | 21:22 |
| emagana_ | There was some feedback (complains) about Installation Guide, therefore some work is in progress to make it very EASY to follow | 21:22 |
| emagana_ | markmcclain: let me take that in a minute | 21:23 |
| emagana_ | So, for the new installation guide: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/InstallGuideChanges we have decided to only post information for OpenSource components | 21:23 |
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| emagana_ | Any vendor specific will be move to the Apendix section! | 21:24 |
| markmcclain | ok.. makes sense | 21:24 |
| emagana_ | There are some tickets opened agains the installation guide to add vendor-specific info, please do not work on this ticket becasue installation guide will change | 21:24 |
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| emagana_ | I would encourage all vendors to have their own documentation in a public place that we can include in the guide | 21:25 |
| markmcclain | ok | 21:25 |
| emagana_ | markmcclain: about your previous question. Yes, this is the time were we start mapping features with Docs.. WIll be sure we are covering anything new! | 21:26 |
| salv-orlando | emagana_: I think it might be better to mark them as invalid. Many people working on vendor specific docs are not in this room | 21:26 |
| markmcclain | salv-orlando: good point | 21:26 |
| salv-orlando | and I would for sure forget to pass on the information to the rest of my team ;) | 21:26 |
| Sukhdev | emagana_: will you provide some guidelines for the vendors to follow? | 21:26 |
| emagana_ | salv-orlando: good point, thanks! | 21:27 |
| emagana_ | Sukhdev: The wiki above will be the main point of reference | 21:27 |
| emagana_ | It hasn't been decided how the communication with the vendor will be done! | 21:28 |
| emagana_ | I will bring it to the docs meeting | 21:28 |
| emagana_ | markmcclain: I am done! | 21:28 |
| Sukhdev | emagana_: so, if I want to add anything vendor specific, can I go and update this wiki? will that be OK? | 21:29 |
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| markmcclain | emagana_: I think you'll probably want to send out a message tagged for Neutron to the ML since many have strict filtering in place | 21:30 |
| emagana_ | Sukhdev: Installation Guide should not contain vendor specific information in main section but the Apendix will be available for that. Yes, please add in the Wiki anything that you want to be covered | 21:30 |
| markmcclain | emagana_: thanks for the update | 21:30 |
| emagana_ | markmcclain: Good idea, I will do that! | 21:30 |
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| markmcclain | #topic Nova Parity | 21:30 |
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| markmcclain | beagles updated the agenda | 21:31 |
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| markmcclain | he had a conflict and could not make the meeting today | 21:31 |
| markmcclain | #topic Tempest | 21:31 |
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| markmcclain | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-February/027797.html | 21:32 |
| markmcclain | sdague started a thread on making the final push for full tempest testing by Icehouse-3 | 21:32 |
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| markmcclain | salv-orlando dug further into the gap | 21:32 |
| markmcclain | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-February/027862.html | 21:32 |
| markmcclain | salv-orlando: want to share more on what you found? | 21:33 |
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| salv-orlando | basically the two bugs I want to be moved to critical are the ones we *must* fix | 21:33 |
| salv-orlando | then there are a plethora of minor bugs both in tempest and/or neutron, which appear to have less frequency | 21:33 |
| salv-orlando | but I think we have enough people on the team and we should be able to fix all of them | 21:34 |
| salv-orlando | in particular I think the one enikanorov assigned to himself might be due to agents reporting while api requests are being processed | 21:34 |
| markmcclain | yeah I was wondering the same thing myself | 21:34 |
| salv-orlando | so I was wondering if we should still think about separating API and RPC server | 21:34 |
| markmcclain | I'm leaning that direction | 21:35 |
| markmcclain | arosen and carl_baldwin have both done work to make this easier | 21:35 |
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| marun | carl_baldwin has a patch that will give us that capability: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/72565/ | 21:35 |
| markmcclain | right this will enable multiple processes | 21:36 |
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| carl_baldwin | Doesn't totally separate RPC and API yet. | 21:36 |
| marun | if it's running in a different process, how is it now separating it? | 21:36 |
| markmcclain | but there is still one process that is potentially doing both | 21:36 |
| salv-orlando | that patch will allow to have some processes which only process APIs and others which only process RPC requests from the message bug? | 21:36 |
| carl_baldwin | They are still run under the same parent process. | 21:36 |
| salv-orlando | bug/bus | 21:36 |
| marun | uh | 21:36 |
| marun | what does that have to do with ti? | 21:36 |
| marun | in the case of the api_workers = 1, that would mean the only task of the parent process would be making sure there is a live process handling api requests. | 21:37 |
| marun | other than that, it would be handling rpc | 21:37 |
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| salv-orlando | ok, let's move that to review then. No need to keep using the meeting's time | 21:38 |
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| markmcclain | yeah.. let's see what implementing this will do to address the testing issue | 21:38 |
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| markmcclain | might get a win by running more than one RPC process in the gate… other services do this | 21:39 |
| markmcclain | salv-orlando: Anything else on the full run? | 21:39 |
| salv-orlando | nothing which is not already on the mailing list. | 21:39 |
| markmcclain | salv-orlando: Thanks for looking into the final gaps and id'ing the bugs | 21:40 |
| markmcclain | mlavalle: hi | 21:40 |
| mlavalle | hi | 21:40 |
| mlavalle | we have continue making steady progress with api testing | 21:40 |
| markmcclain | great | 21:40 |
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| mlavalle | after the message I sent to the ML last week, Tempest core are doing more reviews of api patches | 21:41 |
| mlavalle | in fact, 4 were merged over the pat 7 days | 21:41 |
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| markmcclain | good news | 21:41 |
| mestery | Great news mlavalle! | 21:41 |
| mlavalle | I updated the agenda with the pointers | 21:42 |
| mlavalle | so I still feel condindent that by the end of icehouse, we will be done | 21:42 |
| markmcclain | yeah same here | 21:42 |
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| markmcclain | thanks for updating the agenda | 21:42 |
| mlavalle | that's all I have, unless there are questions | 21:43 |
| mlavalle | mestery: thanks :-) | 21:43 |
| markmcclain | mlavalle: thanks for the report | 21:43 |
| markmcclain | #topic L3 | 21:43 |
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| markmcclain | carl_baldwin: hi | 21:43 |
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| markmcclain | Looks like he's no longer around… moving on since we're running short on time | 21:44 |
| markmcclain | #topic IPv6 | 21:45 |
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| markmcclain | sc68cal: hi | 21:45 |
| sc68cal | hello | 21:45 |
| sc68cal | I'd like to thank salv-orlando for his comments on some of the IPv6 reviews | 21:45 |
| sc68cal | very helpful | 21:45 |
| sc68cal | bear with me - i have prepared remarks | 21:45 |
| salv-orlando | We might use another core reviewer there. The patches are fairly mature and I think once the comments are addressed they should be good to go. | 21:45 |
| carl_baldwin | hi | 21:45 |
| sc68cal | i can wait if we want to go back to l3 | 21:46 |
| markmcclain | let's continue with v6 | 21:46 |
| sc68cal | k | 21:46 |
| sc68cal | We have one high priority fix that I'd like to see get merged by the merge window, IPv6 allow RAs from certain routers https://review.openstack.org/#/c/72252/ . My concern is that one reviewer has identified a larger issue with how neutron creates routers for IPv6 subnets, that is not addressed by the aforementioned review. I've attempted to get him to clear his -1 on the patch and file a bug for the issue he has identified, because it is | 21:46 |
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| sc68cal | The hairpin bug is looking pretty good - thanks to mestery for +1'ing the review | 21:47 |
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| sc68cal | just need one more nova core to sign off | 21:47 |
| markmcclain | I'll look at 72252 | 21:47 |
| sc68cal | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/56381/ | 21:47 |
| mestery | sc68cal: No worries :) | 21:47 |
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| markmcclain | yeah we're close on the hairpin review | 21:48 |
| sc68cal | yes- we've been here before though, so I will have toes and fingers crossed for the verify step | 21:48 |
| sc68cal | find a couple rabbits feet too | 21:48 |
| sc68cal | otherwise I have a new patch that addresses the suggestions that salv-orlando made - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/52983/ - I will probably post tomorrow | 21:48 |
| sc68cal | again - thanks to salv-orlando for looking closely at the attributes - catching the allow_put = false | 21:49 |
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| sc68cal | and the alembic rebaes. | 21:49 |
| sc68cal | *rebase | 21:49 |
| sc68cal | that's it - I yield the rest of my time | 21:49 |
| markmcclain | yeah.. alembic rebases are not so fun this time of year | 21:50 |
| markmcclain | I'll do the same thing I did during Havana and make sure they get sequenced correctly after approval | 21:50 |
| markmcclain | sc68cal: thanks for the udpate | 21:50 |
| markmcclain | #topic L3 | 21:50 |
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| carl_baldwin | markmcclain: hi | 21:50 |
| markmcclain | hi | 21:50 |
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| carl_baldwin | First meeting this Thursday at 1500. | 21:51 |
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| carl_baldwin | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Neutron-L3-Subteam | 21:51 |
| markmcclain | great | 21:51 |
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| carl_baldwin | DVR: Documentation on agent design for changes to L2 (ML2) and L3 is forthcoming | 21:51 |
| carl_baldwin | Watch for that from Swami | 21:51 |
| carl_baldwin | HA Routers: patches in review | 21:51 |
| carl_baldwin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/neutron+branch:master+topic:bp/l3-high-availability,n,z | 21:51 |
| Swami | Will send an update to ML when the docs are ready | 21:51 |
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| carl_baldwin | markmcclain: That is all I have. | 21:52 |
| markmcclain | Swami: will be on the lookout for them | 21:52 |
| markmcclain | carl_baldwin: thanks for the update | 21:52 |
| markmcclain | #topic ML2 | 21:52 |
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| markmcclain | mestery and rkukura: hi | 21:52 |
| mestery | hi! | 21:52 |
| Swami | markmcclain: Sure will be there | 21:52 |
| rkukura | hi (I'll let mestery go 1st) | 21:53 |
| mestery | So, a high priority item is the DB migration work addressed here: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/ml2-deprecated-plugin-migration | 21:53 |
| markmcclain | marun is active on that one | 21:53 |
| mestery | marun and rkukura started looking into this today and marun is going to drive this one | 21:53 |
| mestery | Yes | 21:53 |
| mestery | That's our highest priority item given it lets us deprecate LB and OVS plugins | 21:53 |
| mestery | Outside of that, 2 of our SR-IOV patches merged, we have one left: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/ml2-binding-profile | 21:53 |
| mestery | We have two port binding bugs being worked as well: https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1276395 https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1276391 | 21:54 |
| mestery | rkukura has proposed a detailed summary of the issues which those address here: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-February/026344.html | 21:54 |
| markmcclain | are they bugs that would block I-3 or something that would block the final release? | 21:54 |
| mestery | Other than that, we're focused on getting new MDs upstream as well. | 21:54 |
| mestery | markmcclain: I'm not sure, let me ponder that. | 21:55 |
| mestery | That's all for ML2 given the time left here. | 21:55 |
| rkukura | markmcclain: They are needed by many of the existing and new MDs | 21:55 |
| markmcclain | ok we can figure out that out over the next day or so | 21:55 |
| markmcclain | rkukura: good to know | 21:56 |
| mestery | thanks rkukura | 21:56 |
| rkukura | hope to have a patch for 1276395 toay or tomorrow, and the other soon after | 21:56 |
| markmcclain | perfect | 21:56 |
| markmcclain | mestery, rkukura: thanks for the update | 21:56 |
| markmcclain | #topic SSL related blueprints | 21:56 |
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| markmcclain | So this is the special topic that was added to agenda | 21:56 |
| nati_ueno | Including VPN? | 21:56 |
| markmcclain | nati_ueno: yes | 21:56 |
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| salv-orlando | woo the bonus track! | 21:57 |
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| markmcclain | in three minutes or less :) | 21:57 |
| nati_ueno | Can we do discussion in the #openstack-neutron? | 21:57 |
| markmcclain | In general I've got significant security concerns on the current SSL work | 21:57 |
| markmcclain | sensitive pieces of data are either transmitted or stored in the clear | 21:58 |
| enikanorov_ | same as for lbaas i guess | 21:58 |
| markmcclain | nati_ueno: I think the ML is better forum | 21:58 |
| nati_ueno | markmcclain: gotcha | 21:58 |
| markmcclain | So I wanted to give a heads up that I'll be starting a thread about delaying both to Juno | 21:58 |
| markmcclain | both teams have done a lot of work on design and code | 21:58 |
| markmcclain | but I'd rather delay and ensure we're secure over releasing something even marked experimental | 21:59 |
| markmcclain | enikanorov_: yes this applies to both subteams | 22:00 |
| nati_ueno | Let's discuss on ML about this. If current design is issue, let's delay it to the Juno | 22:00 |
| enikanorov_ | nati_ueno: that seems to be the issue with the lack of security store and secure messaging | 22:01 |
| nati_ueno | Same discussion will be applied to the IPsec because we are saving password on the db | 22:01 |
| nati_ueno | I thought db is a kind of secure storeage | 22:01 |
| nati_ueno | but if this assumption is wrong, we should if the ipsec too | 22:01 |
| markmcclain | nati_ueno: that's part of the discussion | 22:01 |
| nati_ueno | markmcclain: gotcha | 22:02 |
| nati_ueno | I wrote discussion paper https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1HVA6XJss2tiHu0Z1v9IpehLsTg6VdbAKUTNJCHFeAz8/edit#slide=id.p | 22:02 |
| nati_ueno | I'll send this for the openstack-dev | 22:02 |
| nati_ueno | so let's discussion on the thread | 22:02 |
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| markmcclain | yeah.. I'll kick if off with a big explanation on what I'm thinking and then we can go from there | 22:03 |
| markmcclain | We've hit the time limit for this week | 22:03 |
| markmcclain | Thanks to everyone for stopping in.. talk to everyone on IRC or the mailing list | 22:03 |
| salv-orlando | I ok for the sake of the meeting… any decision related to SSL blueprint is then deferred to the Mailing list? | 22:03 |
| markmcclain | salv-orlando: yes | 22:03 |
| markmcclain | #endmeeting | 22:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Current status (Meeting topic: Mistral)" | 22:04 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Feb 24 22:04:08 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:04 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2014/networking.2014-02-24-21.02.html | 22:04 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2014/networking.2014-02-24-21.02.txt | 22:04 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2014/networking.2014-02-24-21.02.log.html | 22:04 |
| salv-orlando | adieuuuuuuu | 22:04 |
| nati_ueno | bye! | 22:04 |
| nati_ueno | markmcclain: so you will send mail for the dev? | 22:04 |
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| armax | bye | 22:04 |
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| markmcclain | nati_ueno: yes | 22:06 |
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