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| loquacities | #startmeeting docteam | 03:04 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Wed Mar 5 03:04:36 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is loquacities. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 03:04 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 03:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 03:04 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'docteam' | 03:04 |
| loquacities | heya everyone :) | 03:04 |
| Sam-I-Am | hi | 03:04 |
| dnavale | hey | 03:05 |
| radsy | hi | 03:05 |
| loquacities | #topic Action items from the last meeting | 03:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Action items from the last meeting (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 03:05 | |
| loquacities | i believe we didn't have any :) | 03:05 |
| loquacities | #topic Style Guide for config strings going into HACKING.rst | 03:05 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to "Style Guide for config strings going into HACKING.rst (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 03:05 | |
| loquacities | anyone willing to speak to that? | 03:05 |
| sgordon | -ve | 03:06 |
| loquacities | i think we decided andreas was the guy we needed for that last week | 03:06 |
| loquacities | moving on ... | 03:06 |
| sgordon | classic andreas | 03:06 |
| loquacities | indeed | 03:06 |
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| loquacities | #topic Operations Guide edits from O'Reilly, master and feature/edits branches | 03:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Operations Guide edits from O'Reilly, master and feature/edits branches (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 03:06 | |
| loquacities | i've seen a bunch of o'reilly edits come through | 03:06 |
| Sam-I-Am | seems like anne was working on the last round | 03:06 |
| sgordon | well there's none open in the queue | 03:06 |
| sgordon | so that's good ;) | 03:07 |
| Sam-I-Am | i think she sent it off to publication yesterday | 03:07 |
| loquacities | she might be done, then | 03:07 |
| loquacities | oooh | 03:07 |
| loquacities | exciting :) | 03:07 |
| Sam-I-Am | yes | 03:07 |
| sgordon | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/operations-guide+status:open,n,z | 03:07 |
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| loquacities | looks promising | 03:07 |
| loquacities | #topic Design Summit proposal system will open up this Thurs/Fri | 03:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Design Summit proposal system will open up this Thurs/Fri (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 03:07 | |
| loquacities | i haven't seen a note about that, has it opened up? | 03:08 |
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| sgordon | doubt it | 03:08 |
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| loquacities | i'm sure there would be shouting if it had | 03:09 |
| sgordon | everyone is drowning in feature freeze related work | 03:09 |
| loquacities | yep, i hear you | 03:09 |
| loquacities | #topic API Docs blueprint updated: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Blueprint-os-api-docs | 03:09 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "API Docs blueprint updated: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Blueprint-os-api-docs (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 03:09 | |
| sgordon | typically it's a little more relaxed than the general cfp | 03:09 |
| loquacities | that's more of an FYI at this point | 03:09 |
| loquacities | sgordon: true | 03:09 |
| sgordon | PTLs have the flexibility to rearrange right up until summit | 03:09 |
| loquacities | yep | 03:10 |
| loquacities | #topic Giveaways: Oxygen licenses are available, Travel Program for Summit, and Write the Docs in Budapest | 03:10 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Giveaways: Oxygen licenses are available, Travel Program for Summit, and Write the Docs in Budapest (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 03:10 | |
| loquacities | not sure if all the oxygen licences are spoken for or not, but email anne if you're interested | 03:10 |
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| loquacities | and i assume the write the docs ticket is still up for grabs | 03:11 |
| loquacities | #topic Installation guide updates for Icehouse | 03:11 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Installation guide updates for Icehouse (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 03:11 | |
| loquacities | Sam-I-Am: would you like to do the needful, please? | 03:11 |
| Sam-I-Am | yes! | 03:11 |
| loquacities | :) | 03:11 |
| Sam-I-Am | phil hopkins and i have been trying to get icehouse with ML2 working on ubuntu and rhel derivatives | 03:12 |
| Sam-I-Am | sgordon has been helping out with the rhel stuff too | 03:12 |
| loquacities | neat | 03:12 |
| Sam-I-Am | so far ubuntu works | 03:13 |
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| Sam-I-Am | the rdo packages have some issues with ml2 | 03:13 |
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| Sam-I-Am | i also have ubuntu with nova-net working | 03:13 |
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| Sam-I-Am | meanwhile, i filed a plethora of bugs today regarding other services that need attention in the install guide | 03:13 |
| loquacities | cool | 03:14 |
| Sam-I-Am | feel free to confirm them... and fix them :) | 03:14 |
| loquacities | will do | 03:14 |
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| loquacities | i've been slack on reviews the past couple of days | 03:14 |
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| slong | apologies for my tardiness, and hello | 03:14 |
| loquacities | heya slong | 03:14 |
| Alexandra | 'ola | 03:14 |
| loquacities | glad you could make it :) | 03:14 |
| slong | :D | 03:14 |
| Sam-I-Am | i'm working with the neutron team to determine the best configs before posting those bugs | 03:14 |
| Sam-I-Am | er, best configs for neutron/ml2 | 03:14 |
| loquacities | ok, excellent | 03:14 |
| Sam-I-Am | seems each milestone changes a bunch of stuff | 03:15 |
| loquacities | welcome to open source :) | 03:15 |
| Sam-I-Am | i also started working on architecture diagrams for the install guide | 03:15 |
| slong | what new ones? | 03:15 |
| Sam-I-Am | slong: hi summer | 03:15 |
| Sam-I-Am | slong: the diagrams? | 03:15 |
| slong | Sam-I-Am: hello :) | 03:15 |
| slong | yes | 03:16 |
| Sam-I-Am | we decided that having concise, detailed diagrams explaining the requirements for a nova-net install and a neutron-install would be helpful | 03:16 |
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| Sam-I-Am | the current stuff seems to confuse people | 03:16 |
| slong | ah, ta | 03:17 |
| loquacities | +1, fwiw | 03:17 |
| Sam-I-Am | trying to come up with an extensible theme we can use consistently throughout the install guide | 03:17 |
| slong | just curious, what tool are you using to create? | 03:18 |
| Sam-I-Am | example... what services run on each node, how many net interfaces, sample IPs that make sense, etc. | 03:18 |
| Sam-I-Am | slong: omnigraffle | 03:18 |
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| Sam-I-Am | so... | 03:19 |
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| sgordon | mmmm | 03:19 |
| Sam-I-Am | making a lot of progress | 03:19 |
| loquacities | excellent | 03:19 |
| sgordon | is it going to be a problem for people who need to update it later | 03:19 |
| loquacities | thanks Sam-I-Am :) | 03:19 |
| sgordon | that it is os/x only and proprietary? | 03:19 |
| slong | just looked, exactly. | 03:19 |
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| sgordon | we have a lot of problems with consistent visual style | 03:19 |
| sgordon | because nobody can ever get the same tool(s) to use when updating | 03:19 |
| Sam-I-Am | sgordon: its osx. it exports svg though. not sure what else to use. | 03:20 |
| loquacities | inkscape? | 03:20 |
| sgordon | inkscape would be the most accessible | 03:20 |
| Sam-I-Am | i thought the main issue was exporting in something vectorized | 03:20 |
| loquacities | not that that really helps with consistency of style | 03:20 |
| loquacities | an images library would be helpful | 03:20 |
| Sam-I-Am | i only really used omnigraffle because i've used it for years and it makes professional-looking stuff | 03:21 |
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| Sam-I-Am | i can probably re-do them in inkscape | 03:21 |
| Sam-I-Am | omnigraffle is kind of like visio | 03:22 |
| slong | If it's an svg, inkscape can use it. | 03:22 |
| Sam-I-Am | i can connect things, group stuff, etc. | 03:22 |
| Sam-I-Am | does inkscape support those things? | 03:23 |
| sgordon | yeah, i have used it relatively successfully | 03:23 |
| Sam-I-Am | cool. i'll take a look at it tomorrow. | 03:23 |
| sgordon | as loquacities says a library of templates would be handy though | 03:23 |
| sgordon | stuff like "this is the representation we are going to use for a compute node, always" | 03:24 |
| Sam-I-Am | yeah | 03:24 |
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| loquacities | yeah | 03:24 |
| Sam-I-Am | trying to figure out the best way to go about that... | 03:24 |
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| loquacities | you could just put something on the wiki, in the first instance | 03:24 |
| Sam-I-Am | that might work | 03:25 |
| loquacities | can i give you an action item? | 03:25 |
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| Sam-I-Am | loquacities: yeah... i'll see what i can do. is this for general standardization of diagrams? | 03:25 |
| loquacities | maybe just starting a wiki page for now? | 03:26 |
| loquacities | start small ;) | 03:26 |
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| sgordon | Sam-I-Am, ideally if we have the bits you use to build these ones in a wiki we can then ensure they are used for future image updates | 03:26 |
| sgordon | and continue to build it out | 03:26 |
| loquacities | what sgordon said | 03:26 |
| Sam-I-Am | or i just live forever :) | 03:27 |
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| Sam-I-Am | in the cloud, of course | 03:27 |
| sgordon | ideally we would convince the UX group to get interested ;) | 03:27 |
| loquacities | #action Sam-I-Am to add the image elements he is using to a wiki page, as the beginnings of an image library | 03:27 |
| loquacities | we all live forever in the cloud :P | 03:27 |
| loquacities | sgordon: +1 | 03:27 |
| loquacities | ok, moving on ... | 03:28 |
| Sam-I-Am | there's a UX group? | 03:28 |
| loquacities | #topic Docs core, docs team | 03:28 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Docs core, docs team (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 03:28 | |
| sgordon | #link https://plus.google.com/communities/100954512393463248122 | 03:28 |
| loquacities | this was discussed at the last APAC meeting with annegentle, and i'm not sure there's been progress since then | 03:28 |
| Sam-I-Am | i havent heard anything | 03:28 |
| sgordon | yeah | 03:29 |
| Sam-I-Am | and as y'all know, i never sleep :) | 03:29 |
| slong | :) | 03:29 |
| loquacities | lol | 03:29 |
| loquacities | ok, let's leave it at that, then | 03:29 |
| loquacities | #topic Next APAC F2F | 03:29 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Next APAC F2F (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 03:29 | |
| loquacities | so i really enjoyed the f2f we had last meeting | 03:29 |
| slong | Twas good | 03:29 |
| loquacities | and it was discussed there that we should do it regularly | 03:29 |
| slong | Every other month? | 03:29 |
| slong | Every third month? | 03:30 |
| loquacities | yeah, i like the idea of every other month | 03:30 |
| martinlopes | +1 | 03:30 |
| brucer | evry 2nd month - cool | 03:30 |
| loquacities | which makes the next one either the 9th or the 23rd of april, i think | 03:30 |
| dnavale | +1 to that | 03:30 |
| ddomingo | +1 | 03:30 |
| loquacities | are red hat happy to host again? | 03:30 |
| slong | sure | 03:31 |
| loquacities | awesome | 03:31 |
| loquacities | any preferences for the 9th or the 23rd? | 03:31 |
| Alexandra | *raises hand* can we has pizza? | 03:31 |
| martinlopes | indubitably | 03:31 |
| Alexandra | Super :D | 03:31 |
| ddomingo | i vote for a later date | 03:31 |
| loquacities | that's a vote for the 23rd | 03:31 |
| loquacities | anyone else have an opinion? | 03:32 |
| ddomingo | oh wait | 03:32 |
| * slong looks at calendar | 03:32 | |
| Alexandra | I go for the 23rd.... Rooki-o, loquacities ? | 03:32 |
| loquacities | ddomingo: ... | 03:32 |
| loquacities | that'd be earlier, Alexandra | 03:32 |
| slong | 9th would be better | 03:32 |
| Alexandra | loquacities, I know, hence, i'd like the 23rd. | 03:32 |
| loquacities | but that's not finalised yet | 03:32 |
| slong | Couple of people gone on the 23rd | 03:32 |
| Alexandra | loquacities, no, it's not. | 03:32 |
| * Sam-I-Am feels left out | 03:32 | |
| ddomingo | +1 for the 9th, i think we have... things. | 03:32 |
| slong | Sam-I-Am: should come over here | 03:32 |
| loquacities | ok, i think we're tending towards the 9th | 03:32 |
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| dnavale | wat ddomingo said.. | 03:33 |
| Sam-I-Am | slong: i told you i'd trade spaces | 03:33 |
| loquacities | which might mean Alexandra and i have a conflict, but that's not confirmed yet | 03:33 |
| martinlopes | 9th ++ | 03:33 |
| loquacities | ok, let's run with the 9th for now, then | 03:33 |
| martinlopes | ddomingo: truth | 03:33 |
| slong | Sam-I-Am: and we're moving into autumn, lovely in Brisbane. | 03:33 |
| loquacities | #action loquacities and slong to organise an APAC f2f for 9 April at Red Hat | 03:33 |
| Sam-I-Am | slong: think its going to snow cats and dogs here | 03:33 |
| loquacities | that sounds painful | 03:33 |
| sgordon | Sam-I-Am, +1 | 03:33 |
| slong | furry... | 03:33 |
| sgordon | weather is stuck in a loop, needs a reboot | 03:34 |
| loquacities | #topic Open discussion | 03:34 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open discussion (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 03:34 | |
| Sam-I-Am | sgordon: lol | 03:34 |
| loquacities | anything else? | 03:34 |
| loquacities | we have the room for another 25 minutes | 03:34 |
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| sgordon | ciao | 03:34 |
| Sam-I-Am | not much here. trying to get things done before the icehouse release. | 03:34 |
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| ddomingo | just one quick question | 03:34 |
| martinlopes | yes ddomingo? | 03:34 |
| brucer | lets haveit | 03:35 |
| ddomingo | are there any steps being taken to rouse more core reviewers/approvers? | 03:35 |
| brucer | don? | 03:35 |
| Alexandra | I'm after dommmmm | 03:35 |
| Alexandra | don* | 03:35 |
| Alexandra | keyboard. | 03:35 |
| loquacities | ddomingo: not that i'm aware of | 03:35 |
| Sam-I-Am | wasnt that one of the topics in here? | 03:35 |
| slong | yes, the voting thing | 03:35 |
| slong | Anne was going to look into it. | 03:35 |
| ddomingo | all of my latest merges have been approved only by Tom F and Andreas J | 03:35 |
| loquacities | yes, annegentle is undecided as to whether we should move to voting for core | 03:35 |
| brucer | lets vote about voting | 03:36 |
| slong | loquacities: would you like to ask where she's at with that? | 03:36 |
| loquacities | afaik, she's also taking steps to weed out unresponsive core members | 03:36 |
| loquacities | slong: i'm happy to email her about it | 03:36 |
| slong | ta | 03:36 |
| loquacities | so, right now she's kind of pruning the list | 03:36 |
| ddomingo | ^ +1 | 03:36 |
| brucer | where is the list of members? | 03:36 |
| * Sam-I-Am needs more hours in the day to work on content, triage bugs, fix bugs, and review patches :/ | 03:36 | |
| loquacities | and then she'll make a decision about whether to stick with the existing process, or move to a voting system | 03:37 |
| loquacities | #action loquacities to chase annegentle about core team changes | 03:37 |
| slong | Sam-I-Am: a clone would be good | 03:37 |
| ddomingo | thanks loquacities | 03:37 |
| loquacities | brucer: i'm not sure if that's public anywhere | 03:37 |
| loquacities | np ddomingo | 03:37 |
| Sam-I-Am | slong: isn't there a nova command for that? | 03:37 |
| brucer | ok | 03:37 |
| slong | lol | 03:37 |
| loquacities | but i can ask that too :) | 03:37 |
| slong | Anybody going to the Tech Girls are Superheroes in Brisbane? | 03:38 |
| loquacities | Alexandra: you had a q? | 03:38 |
| loquacities | slong: no, it seemed really expensive | 03:38 |
| loquacities | although i would have liked to have gone | 03:38 |
| slong | Down now to $20 | 03:38 |
| loquacities | oh! | 03:38 |
| loquacities | that changes things | 03:38 |
| loquacities | i'll check it out | 03:38 |
| slong | Yes, was at 75, don't know what they were thinking | 03:38 |
| Alexandra | Yeah, the RH'ers. When I was there, before I left... some of the QE guys did a Git talk. I think it was Marco? But I"m blanking hardcore. | 03:38 |
| loquacities | amen | 03:38 |
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| Alexandra | Any chance someone could find out and see if I can get the slides? | 03:38 |
| brucer | Peter Hutterer? | 03:39 |
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| Alexandra | brucer, was it Peter? | 03:39 |
| slong | It was Peter | 03:39 |
| brucer | Alexandra: yeah, he did one | 03:39 |
| Alexandra | Oh cool! Is he in freenode? | 03:39 |
| brucer | and Siopn Baird did one too | 03:39 |
| brucer | Simon | 03:39 |
| Alexandra | Hahahha | 03:39 |
| Alexandra | Siopn | 03:39 |
| martinlopes | Alexandra: yeah as whot | 03:39 |
| loquacities | sounds celtic | 03:40 |
| Alexandra | I was there for Simon's i'm fairly sure. | 03:40 |
| brucer | Alexandra: thats Simon in Gaelic | 03:40 |
| Alexandra | Could someone do me a huge favour and grab their slides for me? | 03:40 |
| Alexandra | I wrote notes, but can't seem to find them. | 03:40 |
| brucer | OK, can do | 03:40 |
| Alexandra | Thanks brucer! | 03:40 |
| loquacities | cool, ok, was there any other business? | 03:40 |
| ddomingo | i'm good | 03:41 |
| slong | nope | 03:41 |
| loquacities | ok, thanks everyone :) | 03:41 |
| Sam-I-Am | thanks! | 03:41 |
| slong | thx :) | 03:42 |
| loquacities | #endmeeting | 03:42 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 03:42 | |
| ddomingo | thanks y'all | 03:42 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Mar 5 03:42:08 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 03:42 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteam/2014/docteam.2014-03-05-03.04.html | 03:42 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteam/2014/docteam.2014-03-05-03.04.txt | 03:42 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteam/2014/docteam.2014-03-05-03.04.log.html | 03:42 |
| Alexandra | thanks loquacities | 03:42 |
| brucer | thanks | 03:42 |
| loquacities | back to your regularly scheduled programming ... | 03:42 |
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| VinayMahuli | can anybody help me to resolve this... | 07:42 |
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| johnthetubaguy | Hey, sorry give me 5 mins before we start the meeting... | 15:00 |
| johnthetubaguy | if thats OK | 15:00 |
| johnthetubaguy | ? | 15:00 |
| BobBall | Fine for me. | 15:00 |
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| Swami | hi all | 15:01 |
| Swami | ping jamie | 15:02 |
| Swami | ping sylvain | 15:02 |
| Swami | ping carl | 15:02 |
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| Swami | #startmeeting Distributed-virtual-router | 15:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Mar 5 15:03:24 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is Swami. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Distributed-virtual-router)" | 15:03 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'distributed_virtual_router' | 15:03 |
| BobBall | Swami: I think you have the wrong time | 15:03 |
| BobBall | Swami: This is the XenAPI meeting time now | 15:03 |
| BobBall | Swami: we're just waiting for johnthetubaguy for 2 minutes since he's AFK | 15:03 |
| Swami | Hi Bob I have been using this time slot for the last two months | 15:03 |
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| johnthetubaguy | Swami: daylight saving change, the times are UTC | 15:04 |
| BobBall | Swami: Have you just moved to DST? | 15:04 |
| BobBall | meeting times are in UTC | 15:04 |
| Swami | sorry got it. | 15:05 |
| Swami | I am in the wrong channel. | 15:05 |
| Swami | #endmeeting | 15:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 15:05 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Mar 5 15:05:08 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:05 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/distributed_virtual_router/2014/distributed_virtual_router.2014-03-05-15.03.html | 15:05 |
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| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/distributed_virtual_router/2014/distributed_virtual_router.2014-03-05-15.03.txt | 15:05 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/distributed_virtual_router/2014/distributed_virtual_router.2014-03-05-15.03.log.html | 15:05 |
| BobBall | Okies - thanks! | 15:05 |
| BobBall | johnthetubaguy: Ready now? :) | 15:05 |
| johnthetubaguy | almost... | 15:05 |
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| johnthetubaguy | #start-meeting XenAPI | 15:07 |
| johnthetubaguy | #startmeeting XenAPI | 15:07 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Mar 5 15:07:16 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is johnthetubaguy. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:07 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: XenAPI)" | 15:07 | |
| * BobBall steals the hyphon | 15:07 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'xenapi' | 15:07 |
| BobBall | o/ | 15:07 |
| BobBall | (before you ask who's here) | 15:07 |
| johnthetubaguy | lol | 15:08 |
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| johnthetubaguy | anyways, who is here? | 15:08 |
| johnthetubaguy | #topic Blueprints | 15:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Blueprints (Meeting topic: XenAPI)" | 15:08 | |
| matel | i am listening | 15:08 |
| johnthetubaguy | nothing for blueprints this week I guess? | 15:08 |
| BobBall | I hope not | 15:09 |
| johnthetubaguy | lets start planning for the design summit later this week | 15:09 |
| BobBall | because if we have anything on BPs then they are too late :D | 15:09 |
| johnthetubaguy | I delayed VIF hotpug to Juno, just hadn't been reviewed enough | 15:09 |
| BobBall | Oh... I thought I saw vif hotplug go in | 15:09 |
| BobBall | guess I was mistaken! | 15:09 |
| johnthetubaguy | nope, that was me abandoning it, didn't get any reviews hardly, just sandy and garyk | 15:10 |
| johnthetubaguy | anyways... | 15:10 |
| johnthetubaguy | #topic QA | 15:10 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "QA (Meeting topic: XenAPI)" | 15:10 | |
| johnthetubaguy | hang on | 15:10 |
| johnthetubaguy | #topic CI | 15:10 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "CI (Meeting topic: XenAPI)" | 15:10 | |
| johnthetubaguy | so, hows it going | 15:10 |
| BobBall | http://ca.downloads.xensource.com/OpenStack/xenserver-ci/recent_finished.txt | 15:10 |
| BobBall | http://ca.downloads.xensource.com/OpenStack/xenserver-ci/current_queue.txt | 15:10 |
| BobBall | and more impressively the stats someone else made at http://www.rcbops.com/gerrit/reports/nova-cireport.html | 15:11 |
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| BobBall | which show that even though we were the last to the party we've got the best CI* | 15:11 |
| BobBall | *subjective | 15:11 |
| johnthetubaguy | hehe, sounds good | 15:11 |
| BobBall | XenServer CI voted on 446 patchsets (84.15%), passing 425 (89.10%), failing 52 (10.90%) and unparsed 0 (0.00%) | 15:12 |
| johnthetubaguy | its almost like the biggest production code is running XenAPI… hmm | 15:12 |
| BobBall | I think that's the best overview of the CI that you can really point to | 15:12 |
| johnthetubaguy | OK, thats looking really good | 15:12 |
| johnthetubaguy | how are the waiting times? did we backup much? | 15:12 |
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| BobBall | Not backed up at all ATM | 15:12 |
| BobBall | Having access to 40 nodes gives us the ability to process quite a bit more than the rush | 15:13 |
| BobBall | so I don't have any concerns leading up to I-3 | 15:13 |
| BobBall | Not seen queue length go above 20 recently | 15:13 |
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| johnthetubaguy | nice | 15:15 |
| johnthetubaguy | top work on this stuff | 15:15 |
| johnthetubaguy | I would love to take this and start running the networking we use at rackspace, and maybe run our tests suite, add images with agents, etc, etc | 15:15 |
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| BobBall | We're in the process of adding tests + deploying at RAX | 15:16 |
| BobBall | which will give something easy to start from with whatever setup you want | 15:16 |
| johnthetubaguy | cool, sounds good | 15:16 |
| BobBall | although networking will likely be very hard to change | 15:16 |
| johnthetubaguy | so reducing the skip list? | 15:16 |
| BobBall | Not on our radar ATM | 15:16 |
| johnthetubaguy | so what do you see as the big next steps? | 15:17 |
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| johnthetubaguy | volume tests? | 15:17 |
| BobBall | We're aiming to have it deployed in RAX by the end of the week | 15:17 |
| johnthetubaguy | sweet | 15:18 |
| BobBall | but after that we'll take stock and think about next steps | 15:18 |
| johnthetubaguy | sounds good | 15:18 |
| BobBall | full tempest does work, but race conditions make it unrealiable | 15:18 |
| BobBall | at some point we'll raise bugs and hopefully track some of them down | 15:18 |
| BobBall | but not sure if that'll be the priority | 15:18 |
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| BobBall | other drivers have extensive skip lists | 15:18 |
| johnthetubaguy | right, I hear you | 15:18 |
| johnthetubaguy | do we have any volume coverage right now? | 15:18 |
| leifz | Thanks for all the hard work Bob! | 15:19 |
| BobBall | checking | 15:19 |
| matel | I am not sure right now, we can check it, but only next week. | 15:19 |
| johnthetubaguy | sounds cool | 15:19 |
| matel | What do you mean exactly on volume coverage? | 15:19 |
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| matel | johnthetubaguy: What do you mean on volume coverage? | 15:20 |
| BobBall | certainly some - e.g. tempest.api.compute.v3.servers.test_attach_volume.AttachVolumeV3Test | 15:20 |
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| BobBall | tempest.api.compute.volumes seems to be all enabled | 15:20 |
| johnthetubaguy | ah, cool | 15:20 |
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| matel | I guess, that's covering at least the connection part. | 15:20 |
| BobBall | tempest.api.volume.admin has a bunch of tests too | 15:20 |
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| BobBall | https://github.com/citrix-openstack/xenapi-os-testing/blob/master/tempest_exclusion_list | 15:21 |
| BobBall | that's the current exclusion list BTW | 15:21 |
| johnthetubaguy | Thanks yes, I updated the wiki the other day, noticed lots of volume holes, but its not too bad | 15:22 |
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| johnthetubaguy | BobBall: I agree with you on not chasing that list too aggressively | 15:22 |
| BobBall | The exclusion list is definitely bigger than we want it to be | 15:22 |
| johnthetubaguy | agreed | 15:23 |
| BobBall | My hope is that we can run a second tempest run easily (not sure how though) to run all of the excluded tests so we can have some stats on which ones are failing | 15:23 |
| johnthetubaguy | ah, sounds cool | 15:23 |
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| johnthetubaguy | anyways, lots of good work there | 15:24 |
| johnthetubaguy | massive thank you! | 15:24 |
| johnthetubaguy | #topic Bugs | 15:24 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Bugs (Meeting topic: XenAPI)" | 15:24 | |
| johnthetubaguy | we were running dry on that topic | 15:24 |
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| johnthetubaguy | anyone got clangers we need to fix before icehouse ships? | 15:25 |
| BobBall | idd | 15:25 |
| johnthetubaguy | idd?? | 15:25 |
| BobBall | indeed | 15:25 |
| johnthetubaguy | ah | 15:25 |
| BobBall | I'm lazy | 15:25 |
| BobBall | and down with the kids. | 15:25 |
| BobBall | No clanges that I'm aware of | 15:26 |
| johnthetubaguy | cool, well, its bug fixing time | 15:26 |
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| johnthetubaguy | and I feel much better about that, now we have CI to make sure we don't totally screw things in the process :D | 15:26 |
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| johnthetubaguy | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bugs?field.tag=xenserver | 15:27 |
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| leifz | johnthetubaguy: Are we creating a list of must haves or just grab one? | 15:27 |
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| johnthetubaguy | leifz please do look for must haves | 15:27 |
| johnthetubaguy | right now, we are saying there is nothing that is super blocking | 15:27 |
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| johnthetubaguy | target the ones we really want for icehouse-rc1 | 15:27 |
| BobBall | I want to drop some of those wishlist too | 15:28 |
| BobBall | Many of them aren't bugs bug feature requests (hence wishlist, I know) | 15:28 |
| BobBall | but let's just be realistic and say that we're not planning on doing them any time soon | 15:28 |
| johnthetubaguy | BobBall: I hear you, I think the old ones we should just kill them | 15:28 |
| johnthetubaguy | BobBall agreed | 15:28 |
| BobBall | Shall I just go through and close some? ;) | 15:28 |
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| johnthetubaguy | well, we should probably double check, some of those might be quite good introductory bugs | 15:29 |
| johnthetubaguy | https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1024944 | 15:29 |
| johnthetubaguy | lets kill it | 15:29 |
| BobBall | https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1026552 too | 15:30 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, probably "Won't fix" for all the shared storage ones | 15:30 |
| johnthetubaguy | lets not pretend | 15:31 |
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| johnthetubaguy | cool, any more? | 15:31 |
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| BobBall | certainly yes | 15:31 |
| BobBall | but not to be found during this meeting :) | 15:31 |
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| johnthetubaguy | indeed | 15:32 |
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| johnthetubaguy | I just turned one away from being inprogress when it wasn't any more | 15:32 |
| BobBall | Is https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1169769 the behaviour of other hypervisors? | 15:32 |
| johnthetubaguy | anyways, please take a bug | 15:32 |
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| johnthetubaguy | BobBall: yeah, its a funny one, I would need to check | 15:33 |
| johnthetubaguy | BobBall: if the user turns a VM off, we want to respect that, and that request fights with that intention | 15:34 |
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| johnthetubaguy | anyways, lets move on I think... | 15:34 |
| johnthetubaguy | we can do this in openstack-nova at some other point | 15:34 |
| BobBall | indeed | 15:34 |
| johnthetubaguy | #topic Open Discussion | 15:34 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: XenAPI)" | 15:34 | |
| johnthetubaguy | any more things people want to discuss? | 15:34 |
| johnthetubaguy | just a note that this will stay in UTC, if you are dialling in from the US, its a different time next week | 15:35 |
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| BobBall | https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1215383 should be low / wishlist ? | 15:35 |
| johnthetubaguy | #action please check your UTC watches next week | 15:36 |
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| johnthetubaguy | BobBall: hmm, not sure, its kinda buggy, so would love to kill it | 15:36 |
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| BobBall | I'm not aware of any bugs - other than "it doesn't work with LVM"? | 15:37 |
| johnthetubaguy | BobBall: or it feels like it could be a source of bugs, I can't remember now, your work on VDI-in-use errors may remove this code from my list of dodgy code | 15:37 |
| BobBall | so I'd say it's "mostly cosmetic" :) | 15:37 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, low | 15:38 |
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| johnthetubaguy | cool, any more for any more? | 15:38 |
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| matel | no thanks. | 15:38 |
| BobBall | not from me. | 15:38 |
| leifz | nope | 15:39 |
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| johnthetubaguy | sweet | 15:39 |
| johnthetubaguy | have a good week all | 15:39 |
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| johnthetubaguy | thanks for all the good work | 15:39 |
| matel | sweet thanks. | 15:39 |
| johnthetubaguy | bug fixing time, yeah! | 15:40 |
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| johnthetubaguy | #endmeeting | 15:40 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Mar 5 15:40:16 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:40 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/xenapi/2014/xenapi.2014-03-05-15.07.html | 15:40 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/xenapi/2014/xenapi.2014-03-05-15.07.txt | 15:40 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/xenapi/2014/xenapi.2014-03-05-15.07.log.html | 15:40 |
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| DuncanT- | Cinder peeps? | 16:01 |
| akerr | here | 16:01 |
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| DuncanT- | #startmeeting Cinder | 16:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Mar 5 16:02:28 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is DuncanT-. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Cinder)" | 16:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'cinder' | 16:02 |
| DuncanT- | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/CinderMeetings#Agenda_for_next_meeting as usual | 16:02 |
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| glenng | Greetings all :-) | 16:02 |
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| DuncanT- | Who's here? | 16:03 |
| xyang1 | hi | 16:03 |
| bswartz1 | I'm idling mostly | 16:03 |
| akerr | hi | 16:03 |
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| winston-d | o/ | 16:03 |
| mtanino | Hi | 16:03 |
| avishay | hello | 16:03 |
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| sneelakantan | hi | 16:03 |
| philr | Hi | 16:03 |
| DuncanT- | #topic i-3 status | 16:04 |
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| coolsvap | Hello | 16:04 |
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| avishay | https://launchpad.net/cinder/+milestone/icehouse-3 | 16:04 |
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| DuncanT- | Very briefly: Looks like all the blueprints that were explicitly targeted are done | 16:04 |
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| glenng | A lot of bug fixes too. | 16:05 |
| DuncanT- | The netapp thing is merged but launchpad hasn't caught up yet | 16:05 |
| bswartz1 | stuck in gate last I checked | 16:05 |
| bswartz1 | the job was up to 12.5 hours | 16:05 |
| DuncanT- | Ah, ok. Hopefully it will get through, we can kick it if it doesn't | 16:05 |
| eharney | there are a couple Cinder changes in the gate but not too far off now | 16:05 |
| DuncanT- | Any other comments / feedback / worries? | 16:06 |
| winston-d | bswartz1: we've seen much worse, be paitent. :) | 16:06 |
| bswartz1 | heh | 16:06 |
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| bswartz1 | thanks for the +2s | 16:06 |
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| DuncanT- | I'm calling the three day hackathon a success. | 16:06 |
| DuncanT- | I'll add feedback on that to the end of the adgenda | 16:06 |
| DuncanT- | agenda | 16:06 |
| DuncanT- | For now, I think Vishy wants the stage.... | 16:07 |
| winston-d | kudos to Mike~ | 16:07 |
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| DuncanT- | #topic Volume replication | 16:07 |
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| glenng | *agrees* | 16:07 |
| DuncanT- | winston-d ++ | 16:07 |
| avishay | vishy == avishay? :) | 16:07 |
| avishay | So volume replication unfortunately didn't make it to Icehouse | 16:08 |
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| avishay | ronenkat will be taking over the code for juno | 16:08 |
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| avishay | he has sent out an email to the mailing list with a conference call to discuss the design | 16:08 |
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| avishay | ideally we'd like feedback in the next few weeks so that there is something concrete to discuss in atlanta | 16:09 |
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| avishay | ronenkat: do you want to add anything? | 16:09 |
| DuncanT- | That conference call is in 50 minutes I think? | 16:09 |
| ronenkat | avishay: just to clarify, the focus of the call is on disaster recovery not just replication | 16:09 |
| akerr | is there a link to that email? i have 600 unread ML emails :( | 16:09 |
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| avishay | akerr: http://www.mail-archive.com/openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org/msg18224.html | 16:10 |
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| akerr | avishay: thanks | 16:10 |
| avishay | akerr: sure | 16:10 |
| philr | avishay: I just want to note, that we at LINBIT intend to hook DRBD into any replication hooks that will come to cinder | 16:10 |
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| avishay | philr: will that be with the LVM driver? | 16:11 |
| DuncanT- | philr: I'm looking forward to hearing more about that | 16:11 |
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| philr | We have been working for some month on a thing called "drbdmanage", that does drbd config files for nodes...That in turn uses LVM as of today | 16:12 |
| philr | Though we prepared to have other backends | 16:12 |
| DuncanT- | Shall we hop to that as a topic now? | 16:12 |
| philr | We had libstoragemanagement in mind, but I guess we will be able to do cinder instead as well | 16:12 |
| avishay | philr: it would be great if you could make that happen - if you could implement DRBD+LVM that would probably be the reference implementation | 16:12 |
| DuncanT- | #topic DRBD/drbdmanage driver for cinder | 16:12 |
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| DuncanT- | Any blueprints or other reading material? | 16:13 |
| DuncanT- | (or any code)... | 16:13 |
| philr | No blueprints as of today | 16:13 |
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| philr | We plan to do blueprints within the next two weeks | 16:13 |
| avishay | philr: it would be great if you could review the replication blueprint + code and see that it works for you | 16:13 |
| avishay | philr: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/64026/ | 16:14 |
| philr | avishay: Thanks for the link. We will do that | 16:14 |
| avishay | philr: great | 16:14 |
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| DuncanT- | philr: Is there any code yet, or is it still largely conceptual? | 16:14 |
| eharney | philr: i have had some libstoragemgmt work going on for a bit myself | 16:14 |
| eharney | philr: for Cinder, that is | 16:15 |
| philr | The code we have right now is "drbdmanage" ... That is not cinder specific. It is a generic manage-a-drbd-cluster code. | 16:15 |
| philr | http://git.drbd.org/gitweb.cgi?p=drbdmanage.git;a=summary | 16:16 |
| philr | ...but all that is the "ground work" for our cinder integration. | 16:16 |
| avishay | philr: great stuff | 16:16 |
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| philr | PS: Last relese is 3 weeks old, we will do the next one on Friday (March 7), and then concentrate on the actual cinder work. | 16:17 |
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| DuncanT- | I'll take a nose through that code, and I look forward to seeing the cinder work | 16:18 |
| avishay | OK great, please keep us updated | 16:18 |
| philr | BTW, we plan to use D-BUS from our cinder bits to drbdmanage. | 16:18 |
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| DuncanT- | That should be... interesting. No good reason not to that I'm aware of, just not seen it attempted before | 16:19 |
| avishay | Yep... | 16:19 |
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| avishay | philr: please include that in your blueprint along with the reasoning behind it | 16:19 |
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| philr | ok. | 16:19 |
| philr | Ok, Then, I am all set for today. | 16:20 |
| avishay | philr: good stuff, thanks! | 16:20 |
| mtanino | My turn? | 16:20 |
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| DuncanT- | Yup | 16:21 |
| mtanino | Thanks. | 16:21 |
| sneelakantan | DuncanT-: Could you give me a few mins at the end? Wanted to bring up a blueprint for icehouse discussion. | 16:21 |
| mtanino | I proposed new LVM driver for Juno. | 16:21 |
| DuncanT- | #topic New LVM | 16:21 |
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| mtanino | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/cinder/+spec/lvm-driver-for-shared-storage | 16:21 |
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| DuncanT- | sneelakantan: Noted | 16:21 |
| mtanino | Could anyone review or comment for about the spec of my blueprint? | 16:22 |
| mtanino | And then I would like to get an approval for this blueprint. | 16:22 |
| eharney | mtanino: so, i'm interested, i've been working on LIO and targetd support for Cinder | 16:22 |
| avishay | mtanino: the blueprint was hard for me to understand. is the proposal to add FC to the LVM driver? it seems like more than that? | 16:22 |
| eharney | but i haven't looked at this for long enough to wrap my head around it yet | 16:22 |
| DuncanT- | Don't worry too much about approval, that doesn't actually mean a lot | 16:22 |
| eharney | this assumes a remote LVM storage setup though? | 16:23 |
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| mtanino | avishay, Not to add FC code in the LVM driver. | 16:24 |
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| mtanino | In this blueprint, condition of the environment is FC or iSCSI connected storage. | 16:25 |
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| rushiagr | sorry, late | 16:25 |
| KurtMartin | mtanino: so a brand new LVM driver that supports both iSCSI and FC | 16:25 |
| avishay | wait...so this is LVM on top of SAN storage? for example, taking a Storwize/3PAR/whatever volume, and using that as a PV? | 16:26 |
| eharney | since it says it presupposes virtual storage using iSCSI targetd, it sounds like this is a targetd driver and not an LVM driver | 16:26 |
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| mtanino | KurtMartin, Yes. | 16:27 |
| avishay | i thnk we just gave 3 different interpretations to the same paragraph of text | 16:27 |
| avishay | this is how religious wars start... :) | 16:27 |
| KurtMartin | agree it's not clear | 16:27 |
| DuncanT- | Are you planning a summit session on this? Sounds like there's lots of peopel who want ot ohear details | 16:27 |
| DuncanT- | mtanino: ^^^ | 16:27 |
| bswartz1 | +1 | 16:27 |
| mtanino | I mean, current LVM driver is required to use iSCSI target. Right? | 16:28 |
| avishay | mtanino: correct | 16:28 |
| eharney | or iser/rdma | 16:28 |
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| mtanino | But in SAN environment, some user does not want to use iSCSI target and access to backend storage directly. | 16:28 |
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| avishay | mtanino: what do you mean by "directly"? | 16:29 |
| mtanino | OK. | 16:29 |
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| mtanino | The driver does not operate the backend storage. | 16:29 |
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| mtanino | Just create LV and VG on top of mounted LU on a server. | 16:30 |
| mtanino | Is may explain is good?... | 16:30 |
| avishay | mtanino: and the LU is a volume on SAN storage? | 16:30 |
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| eharney | what is running on the server? | 16:30 |
| mtanino | avishay, Yes. | 16:30 |
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| mtanino | eharney, what do you mean?.. | 16:31 |
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| eharney | so if the driver doesn't operate the backend storage (meaning different from the current LVM driver which does, i think) -- what does? | 16:32 |
| avishay | i THINK the idea is: you have a SAN volume attached to a Nova host, and the volume is actually a VG. and then you create an LV on that VG. i don't get why, but i think that's the idea. | 16:32 |
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| DuncanT- | Sounds like you're mounting the same iscsi / fc lun in lots of places, and being careful to keep the creates in one, but letting the clients (compute nodes) do direct access? | 16:33 |
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| mtanino | avishay, Thanks. That's right. | 16:33 |
| DuncanT- | Avoids importing and re-exporting a LUN through a server I guess? | 16:33 |
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| eharney | basically you transport data via some LVM clustering idea instead of an iSCSI target. ok, i think i get the picture | 16:34 |
| DuncanT- | Seems reasonable to me. I'd love to hear more at the design summit if you can make it, mtanino? | 16:34 |
| mtanino | DuncanT-, Yes. Cinder node and Nova compute mount same volume. | 16:34 |
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| mtanino | DuncanT-, Thanks. I will have a plan to join a summit. | 16:35 |
| avishay | mtanino: will you attend the openstack summit in atlanta? | 16:35 |
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| avishay | great | 16:35 |
| eharney | maybe consider adding a diagram or two to the blueprint explaining all the parts and how they're connected, just to make it simpler to understand | 16:35 |
| avishay | eharney: +1 | 16:35 |
| mtanino | So, can I have a session for the design summit? | 16:35 |
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| mtanino | eharney, Thanks for your comment. | 16:36 |
| DuncanT- | mtanino: Apply when the slots open. I'm certainly keen to here more | 16:36 |
| eharney | as am i | 16:36 |
| KurtMartin | me too | 16:36 |
| jungleboyj | eharney: +1 | 16:36 |
| mtanino | DuncanT-, OK. | 16:36 |
| DuncanT- | #action mtanino To tell us more at the design summit | 16:36 |
| DuncanT- | Any more comments on that? | 16:37 |
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| eharney | sounds good to me for now | 16:37 |
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| mtanino | eharney, Thanks. | 16:37 |
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| DuncanT- | Ok, sneelakantan wanted a spot | 16:37 |
| sneelakantan | thanks | 16:38 |
| DuncanT- | #topic sneelakantan blueprint | 16:38 |
| avishay | sneelakantan: topic? | 16:38 |
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| DuncanT- | Got a link please? | 16:38 |
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| DuncanT- | sneelakantan: Hello? | 16:38 |
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| DuncanT- | We can come back to that I guess.... | 16:39 |
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| DuncanT- | #topic any other business | 16:39 |
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| DuncanT- | Any more for any more? | 16:39 |
| hemna_ | mornign | 16:40 |
| jungleboyj | Can I make a clarification on Feature Freeze? | 16:40 |
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| hemna_ | miss anything ? | 16:40 |
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| DuncanT- | jungleboyj: You can try... | 16:40 |
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| jungleboyj | DuncanT-: Thank you sir. | 16:41 |
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| sneelakantan | damn! had connection trouble with freenode. | 16:41 |
| jungleboyj | For changes that are currently in flight but are still in review. Will those continue to be reviewed or are they going to be -2'd? | 16:41 |
| DuncanT- | sneelakantan: NP... we'll come back to you in a sec | 16:41 |
| jungleboyj | sneelakantan: Sorry, I temporarily stole the floor. | 16:41 |
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| sneelakantan | jungleboyj: pls go ahead | 16:42 |
| DuncanT- | jungleboyj: jungleboyj Unless they have an exception, I think they've missed now | 16:42 |
| DuncanT- | jungleboyj: I'm not the authority on that though | 16:42 |
| avishay | I guess only jgriffith knows who has exceptions | 16:42 |
| DuncanT- | There's a formal process for exceptions, but I don't remember what it is | 16:43 |
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| jungleboyj | DuncanT-: Ok, I will have to talk to jgriffith then. Was just wondering about https://review.openstack.org/#/c/70465/ | 16:43 |
| eharney | note that icehouse-3 is supposed to be cut on Thursday. | 16:43 |
| jungleboyj | Since that has been in flight but hasn't been +A'd yet. | 16:43 |
| DuncanT- | Bug fixes still welcome, but I intend to watch out for people turning features into bugs to sneak through... that hurt us a bit at the end of H | 16:43 |
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| eharney | jungleboyj: it's depending on an outdated dep currently | 16:44 |
| DuncanT- | jungleboyj: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/75740/6 needs an update before we can get that in | 16:44 |
| jungleboyj | eharney: Right. I am fixing its dep at the moment and then need to update it. | 16:44 |
| DuncanT- | I'm happy to review it after the meeting, and jgriffith can make a final call I guess... | 16:45 |
| DuncanT- | The I3 tag isn't cut yet, so it could still be got in | 16:45 |
| jungleboyj | eharney: DuncanT- We can take that into the cinder room. Just wanted clarification since I know that Nova was -2'ing stuff. | 16:45 |
| DuncanT- | Cool | 16:45 |
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| DuncanT- | #topic sneelakantan blueprint | 16:46 |
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| sneelakantan | a very similar request for this blueprint | 16:46 |
| sneelakantan | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/cinder/+spec/vmdk-storage-policy-volume-type | 16:46 |
| sneelakantan | This is something I've been working on since Dec | 16:46 |
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| jungleboyj | DuncanT-: Thanks guys! | 16:46 |
| sneelakantan | As far as I remember it was always targetted for icehouse-3, but now today I notice that it has been moved out | 16:46 |
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| sneelakantan | I did not receive a notification either | 16:46 |
| sneelakantan | Any idea what could have happened? | 16:46 |
| sneelakantan | The code is ready in 4 patches and has been reviewed many times | 16:47 |
| sneelakantan | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/cinder+branch:master+topic:bp/vmdk-storage-policy-volume-type,n,z | 16:47 |
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| DuncanT- | sneelakantan: Not sure, sorry. Might well qualify for a freeze exception | 16:47 |
| DuncanT- | sneelakantan: You need jgriffith again for that | 16:47 |
| sneelakantan | hmm.. ok. | 16:47 |
| sneelakantan | will do that. | 16:47 |
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| sneelakantan | DuncanT-: Thanks. | 16:47 |
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| DuncanT- | It seems well contained | 16:48 |
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| KurtMartin | sneelakantan: the FFE process is like how nova does it...send a request to openstack-dev mailing list with a prefix of "[Cinder] FFE Request: ". Nova has some other requirements like it needs to be sponsored by two cores | 16:49 |
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| DuncanT- | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/73165/ Concerns me that it is not back-compatible, but if it's only not compatible with something we haven't merged yet then I'm less worred | 16:50 |
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| sneelakantan | KurtMartin: ok will raise FFE once it starts for cinder | 16:50 |
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| KurtMartin | sneelakantan: nova's already started | 16:51 |
| DuncanT- | Right, ten minutes left | 16:51 |
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| avishay | sneelakantan: don't wait, just do it :) | 16:51 |
| DuncanT- | Any more eyes on those patches is probably useful | 16:51 |
| avishay | or not | 16:51 |
| DuncanT- | lol | 16:51 |
| DuncanT- | #topic Any other business? | 16:51 |
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| jungleboyj | avishay: :-) | 16:52 |
| avishay | reminder: DR call in 9 minutes for those who are interested | 16:52 |
| DuncanT- | sneelakantan: (16:51:21) avishay: sneelakantan: don't wait, just do it :) | 16:52 |
| ronenkat | should I ask for FFE for client code? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/72743 or maybe just get it approved? | 16:52 |
| sneelakantan | DuncanT-: ok thanks. | 16:52 |
| DuncanT- | Client code doesn't get frozen ronenkat | 16:52 |
| jungleboyj | ronenkat: Client code is different. | 16:52 |
| avishay | ronenkat: client is on a different schedule than cinder itself | 16:52 |
| ronenkat | what can I find that schedule? | 16:53 |
| avishay | ronenkat: inside jgriffith's head i believe :) | 16:53 |
| DuncanT- | The schedule is 'when jgriffith hits the button' | 16:53 |
| ronenkat | (correction) where can I find that schedule | 16:53 |
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| ronenkat | :0 | 16:53 |
| ronenkat | :) | 16:53 |
| jungleboyj | :-) | 16:53 |
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| DuncanT- | Bugging him until he does a release just to shut you up has been known to work.... | 16:53 |
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| * jungleboyj doesn't want to see that being extracted. | 16:54 | |
| DuncanT- | But that is best left until *after* your work is merged ;-) | 16:54 |
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| winston-d | client release scheduler is in jgriffith's mind | 16:54 |
| DuncanT- | Any more for any more? | 16:54 |
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| * coolsvap feels DuncanT's any more any more has got great appeal :) | 16:55 | |
| DuncanT- | Finishing 5 minutes early then I guess. We can always carry on in the normal channel | 16:55 |
| DuncanT- | #endmeeting | 16:56 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Mar 5 16:56:06 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:56 |
| jungleboyj | coolsvap: +2 | 16:56 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2014/cinder.2014-03-05-16.02.html | 16:56 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2014/cinder.2014-03-05-16.02.txt | 16:56 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2014/cinder.2014-03-05-16.02.log.html | 16:56 |
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| hartsocks | hi folks | 16:59 |
| hartsocks | who's around today? | 16:59 |
| vincent_hou | hi | 16:59 |
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| zhaoqin_ | hello | 16:59 |
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| hartsocks | #startmeeting vmwareapi | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Mar 5 17:00:24 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is hartsocks. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'vmwareapi' | 17:00 |
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| hartsocks | #topic icehouse feature freeze | 17:00 |
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| chaochin | whoami | 17:01 |
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| hartsocks | #undo | 17:01 |
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| hartsocks | #topic greetings | 17:01 |
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| hartsocks | Folks want to go around and introduce them selves? | 17:01 |
| browne | Eric here from vmware | 17:01 |
| hartsocks | I'm Shawn Hartsock… I run the IRC meeting and keep track of blueprints etc. | 17:01 |
| vincent_hou | Vincent Hou from IBM. | 17:02 |
| arnaud | Arnaud VMware | 17:02 |
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| chaochin | zhaoqin from ibm | 17:02 |
| vincent_hou | Good to meet everyone. | 17:02 |
| chaochin | hi vincent | 17:03 |
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| vincent_hou | Hey. | 17:03 |
| * hartsocks smiles and nods at everyone | 17:03 | |
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| hartsocks | Okay. So for those who might be new... | 17:03 |
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| hartsocks | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Icehouse_Release_Schedule | 17:03 |
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| hartsocks | We're still in the IceHouse release cycle. But we've passed Nova's Feature Freeze (known as FF on IRC) | 17:04 |
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| hartsocks | If you have a blueprint that is not targeted at IceHouse-3 (or i-3) as of today … you have to apply for an Exception to the rule... | 17:05 |
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| hartsocks | known as a FFE | 17:05 |
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| hartsocks | #topic icehouse Feature Freeze | 17:05 |
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| hartsocks | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/vmware-subteam-icehouse | 17:05 |
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| hartsocks | I've compiled notes on what stayed targeted at IceHouse and what didn't. | 17:05 |
| hartsocks | If you're on the Nova project… bad news all around. | 17:06 |
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| hartsocks | Not a single one of the blueprints (aka features) stayed inside IceHouse. | 17:06 |
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| hartsocks | That means if you want to try and make this release you need to apply for a FFE. | 17:06 |
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| arnaud | I am going to apply for a FFE for the image handling code | 17:07 |
| hartsocks | I've identified two blueprints I'll be filing for an FFE. If you would be so kind give a +1 by the BP you think I should ask for a FFE on … or a −1 if you disagree and think we should revise the BP in Juno. | 17:07 |
| tjones | hartsocks: i have askfed for one for image cache | 17:07 |
| arnaud | the base framework has been merged | 17:07 |
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| hartsocks | could I get you folks to note that on the etherpad for coordination sake? | 17:08 |
| tjones | garyk has asked for one for iso | 17:08 |
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| tjones | arnaud: i recommend you get core review sponsorship ahead of time if possible | 17:08 |
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| hartsocks | okay, cool. | 17:08 |
| arnaud | yep tjones | 17:09 |
| mdbooth | arnaud: danpb expressed an interest | 17:09 |
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| mdbooth | (assuming we're talking about the image cache: sorry I'm late) | 17:09 |
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| tjones | mdbooth: no this is utilizing the image handling changes that arnaud made in glance | 17:10 |
| mdbooth | Ah, sorry | 17:10 |
| arnaud | mdbooth: actually no I am talking of the image handling (from glance to nova) | 17:10 |
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| garyk | i will be back in a few minutes. sorry | 17:11 |
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| hartsocks | arnaud: are we tracking that? do we need to? | 17:11 |
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| tjones | hartsocks: yet lets please track it | 17:12 |
| hartsocks | link? | 17:12 |
| arnaud | I will update the page as soon as I am in the office | 17:12 |
| arnaud | the bp has been marked as implemented | 17:13 |
| hartsocks | arnaud: okay. | 17:13 |
| arnaud | so I need to discuss with the core first | 17:13 |
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| hartsocks | arnaud: It might already be on my list… https://blueprints.launchpad.net/glance/+spec/vmware-datastore-storage-backend | 17:13 |
| arnaud | this one is the glance code | 17:14 |
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| arnaud | this has been merged | 17:14 |
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| hartsocks | okay, I already marked that one down in the "made it" column. | 17:14 |
| arnaud | there is this one https://review.openstack.org/#/c/63975/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/67606/ | 17:14 |
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| hartsocks | arnaud: okay the BP links there are broken (on the reviews) | 17:15 |
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| hartsocks | arnaud: but I was not tracking that one. | 17:15 |
| arnaud | yes (I think is because the bp became "implemented" | 17:15 |
| arnaud | ) | 17:15 |
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| hartsocks | okay. I've made note of the patch set. We'll clean up the notes later. | 17:16 |
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| tjones | sabari: do we want to ask for FFE on SPBM? | 17:16 |
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| tjones | i guess it did not make it into cinder??? | 17:17 |
| arnaud | I don't think so | 17:17 |
| sabari | tjones: let me check if it made in cinder | 17:17 |
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| sabari | tjones: nope | 17:17 |
| arnaud | I didn't even send for review the patch for glance | 17:17 |
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| tjones | none of the cinder patches merged | 17:18 |
| tjones | bummer | 17:18 |
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| hartsocks | On the bright-side we're fairly well lined up for Juno-1 right? | 17:19 |
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| arnaud | yes | 17:19 |
| tjones | lol | 17:19 |
| tjones | yeah.... | 17:19 |
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| arnaud | I think cinder-nova-glance should have spbm in juno1 | 17:19 |
| sabari | it will be good to have spbm to do away with regex to choose datastores, which is quite painful for an admin. | 17:19 |
| tjones | vsan? | 17:19 |
| arnaud | vsan juno | 17:20 |
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| tjones | ok - well it is what it is | 17:20 |
| hartsocks | Well. I don't think there's much we can do in this meeting other than self-organizing around who is going to help ask for FFE for which BP. | 17:21 |
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| hartsocks | So long as we can help each other out on that front, I think we're doing all we can. | 17:22 |
| sabari | we already asked for image-cache right ? | 17:22 |
| tjones | yes | 17:22 |
| tjones | we can't ask for spbm since cinder is not in | 17:23 |
| hartsocks | sabari: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/vmware-subteam-icehouse | 17:23 |
| tjones | we have asked for iso | 17:23 |
| hartsocks | mark up the etherpad as appropriate so we're coordinated. | 17:23 |
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| sabari | ok | 17:24 |
| tjones | lets just be sure we ask for what we *really* need to support our customers and not what we wish for | 17:24 |
| hartsocks | yeah, just to avoid spamming/crossing over each other. | 17:24 |
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| tjones | IMO it is image cache, ISO, and glance image support. | 17:24 |
| tjones | but you can certainly disagree - lets make sure we are on the same page | 17:24 |
| hartsocks | BTW: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/improve-vmware-disk-usage I know of one large customer seeking that feature but they wanted it in spring this year at the earliest. | 17:25 |
| tjones | im thinking about the things that really hurt our customers | 17:25 |
| hartsocks | The ISO feature seems like a no-brainer. It's a fairly basic admin tool. | 17:25 |
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| sabari | hatsocks: that bp is partially implemented. We do support root disk of different flavor. | 17:26 |
| sabari | just that we miss on ephemeral disks. | 17:26 |
| tjones | image cache - without it they fill up their datastores with unused images | 17:26 |
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| hartsocks | I've got no objection to the image cache system changes. | 17:26 |
| hartsocks | sabari: ephemeral disks are a big use-case in OpenStack style deployments in some clouds. | 17:27 |
| hartsocks | sabari: without ephemeral disks there are a number of use-cases we just don't support. | 17:27 |
| hartsocks | For example, it is common to boot an image with a config drive… | 17:27 |
| tjones | hartsocks: do you think we should ask for FFE on that one? | 17:27 |
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| hartsocks | yes. but I'm admittedly biased. I've worked on it a while. | 17:28 |
| tjones | it's been in play since before havana | 17:28 |
| sabari | hartsocks: we do support booting with config drives. | 17:28 |
| hartsocks | … and then populate the root disk with an OS | 17:28 |
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| hartsocks | … and the ephemeral disk with the specific application. | 17:28 |
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| hartsocks | The ephemeral disk typically acts as the application drive for an application server. | 17:28 |
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| tjones | you said there was 1 customer blocked on this but they don't need it until spring? | 17:29 |
| hartsocks | This is a typical deploy strategy for shops using JVM based application servers. | 17:29 |
| hartsocks | tjones: yes it was in their future plans. When I saw Tang was going to finish this in Havana I thought we would be well set. | 17:29 |
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| tjones | ive not been paying attention to that one | 17:30 |
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| hartsocks | tjones: I thought it had been in play so long and *so well* reviewed that it would be a sure fire merge by now. | 17:30 |
| tjones | ugh | 17:30 |
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| hartsocks | tjones: this is the *second* attempt at ephemeral disks. The first was in Havana-2 | 17:30 |
| hartsocks | (that was July 2013) | 17:31 |
| hartsocks | so I've been shepherding that for 9 months now. It's kind of become personal at this point. :-/ | 17:31 |
| tjones | jenkins barfed on both dependent patches | 17:31 |
| hartsocks | nice. | 17:31 |
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| sabari | yup, we should consider it next. I based it on the fact that there hasn't been any talk on vmware community forum about ephemeral disk support. | 17:32 |
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| hartsocks | fair enough. | 17:32 |
| tjones | BTW - v3 diags did make it | 17:33 |
| tjones | so we had 1 | 17:33 |
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| tjones | in nova | 17:33 |
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| hartsocks | :-) | 17:33 |
| hartsocks | yay! | 17:33 |
| sabari | but v3 itself may not right - i didn't follow that thread completely. | 17:33 |
| browne | sabari: curious, what vmware community forum do you monitor? | 17:33 |
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| sabari | so apologies if i missed something. | 17:33 |
| tjones | true | 17:33 |
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| tjones | i lost track of it too | 17:33 |
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| sabari | browne: #link http://communities.vmware.com/community/vmtn/openstack | 17:34 |
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| browne | sabari: nice, thx | 17:34 |
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| hartsocks | I want to talk about some of driver-specific-snapshot BP at some point today. If we run out of time, remind me. | 17:35 |
| hartsocks | It's definitely a Juno BP though… priorities. | 17:35 |
| vincent_hou | OK | 17:36 |
| hartsocks | BTW: I've started ... | 17:36 |
| hartsocks | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/vmware-subteam-juno | 17:36 |
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| hartsocks | for what it's worth... | 17:36 |
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| vincent_hou | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/driver-specific-snapshot | 17:36 |
| hartsocks | vincent_hou: you guys brought up some thing that really made me think about how the current driver works and I think the current snapshot system is fundamentally wrong. But, more on that later. | 17:37 |
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| chaochin | :vincent_hou I did not undstande your last comment in this BP | 17:37 |
| chaochin | sorry, typo | 17:38 |
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| mdbooth | I don't know if it's relevant, yet, but for Juno I think we'd be well served to serialise development somewhat | 17:38 |
| chaochin | :vincent_hou can you explain it a little more? | 17:39 |
| hartsocks | Interested parties in driver-specific-snapshot … let's talk over on #openstack-vmware after we clear the icehouse related discussion. I just didn't want to forget you :-) | 17:39 |
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| hartsocks | mdbooth: okay, you've piqued my interest. | 17:39 |
| mdbooth | hartsocks: Just thinking of ways to reduce the 'in-flight' | 17:39 |
| vincent_hou | chaochin: which comment or sentence exactly? | 17:39 |
| mdbooth | If we pick a set of features which can be developed either entirely independently | 17:40 |
| chaochin | your last comment today.. | 17:40 |
| tjones | mdbooth: any suggestions on making this better are HIGHLY appreciated | 17:40 |
| mdbooth | Or serially | 17:40 |
| mdbooth | Then absolutely hammer on a much smaller set until they get merged | 17:40 |
| mdbooth | Before moving on | 17:40 |
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| mdbooth | Right now we've got a massive in-flight | 17:41 |
| mdbooth | And so many inter-dependencies it makes my head hurt | 17:41 |
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| hartsocks | mdbooth: I'm not sure how we ended up with these long-chain dependencies between patches but that is definitely a problem. | 17:42 |
| vincent_hou | chaochin: we will discuss it later. | 17:42 |
| vuil | I wholeheartedly agree Matt. The independent stuff we can call out and have them be worked on well, independently. | 17:42 |
| chaochin | vincent_hou: thx | 17:42 |
| vuil | We can be more focused in the 'hammering', but the 'move on' part depends a lot on the review process, and till things merge, they will just always interdependent on one anothers' changes. | 17:43 |
| tjones | and the longer it takes the worse it gets | 17:44 |
| mdbooth | Develop, then swap reviews until you get attention? ;) | 17:44 |
| hartsocks | We could just deal with merge conflicts as they happen. | 17:44 |
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| tjones | take refactoring vmops (or even spawn). it has to happen, but it has to happen quickly so we can take advantage of it | 17:44 |
| hartsocks | mdbooth: do you still have those lovely graphs you posted on the ML? | 17:45 |
| hartsocks | mdbooth: care posting them here with a #link tag? | 17:45 |
| mdbooth | Let me dig | 17:46 |
| mdbooth | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-February/028077.html | 17:46 |
| mdbooth | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/attachments/20140225/d0de8dd7/attachment.svg | 17:46 |
| mdbooth | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/attachments/20140225/d0de8dd7/attachment-0001.svg | 17:46 |
| sabari | I think there should be more utility patches that gets shared between features in-review. Otherwise, the common code will be reimplemented at different places. | 17:47 |
| mdbooth | I think we need to ask for help, but we also need to focus on what we can do | 17:47 |
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| hartsocks | What's interesting is the Nova bubble on the number of days in flight graph is 10 days and vmwareapi is 12 days. | 17:48 |
| hartsocks | Did I read that right? | 17:48 |
| mdbooth | Yeah | 17:48 |
| mdbooth | I'm actually not convinced that number is correct | 17:48 |
| hartsocks | mdbooth: does that mean our code is not getting looked at for 12 days or that it's not merging for 12 days? | 17:49 |
| mdbooth | However, I haven't spent the time digging | 17:49 |
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| hartsocks | If that number is accurate... | 17:49 |
| mdbooth | It's supposed to be a measure of the time it takes the final patch version to be approved | 17:49 |
| hartsocks | I *might* draw the conclusion that our code *is* getting looked at but it's being rejected at a rate much higher than other people's. | 17:49 |
| hartsocks | I would accept that as supporting the conclusion that for whatever reason we're getting rebuffed on code-quality (whatever that might actually mean don't take it personally folks). | 17:50 |
| mdbooth | I can do some more work on this if people think it's interesting | 17:50 |
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| hartsocks | I do. | 17:50 |
| mdbooth | However, it didn't seem to get much traction from the people who matter | 17:51 |
| mdbooth | So I'm not convinced | 17:51 |
| hartsocks | Well, sometimes these things are sales-pitches not substance. | 17:51 |
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| hartsocks | But I think the real value in your graph is the two numbers together. | 17:51 |
| garyk | it really would be nice if there was a core person working on the driver. that would help considerabley. | 17:51 |
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| garyk | if it is any concillation the xen drivers also take time to get reivews in and they have i think 4 cores | 17:52 |
| hartsocks | garyk: I'm sure that would help, primarily I think it's at matter of meeting their expectations which we simply don't know what they are yet as a group. | 17:52 |
| garyk | i think that each core has different expectations (which is a healthy thing). | 17:53 |
| hartsocks | and we can't match those if we get random cores? | 17:53 |
| hartsocks | core-reviewers that is. | 17:53 |
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| garyk | that is the $ million question | 17:53 |
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| hartsocks | Which I think is what mdbooth's number *might* answer. | 17:54 |
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| hartsocks | I would love to be able to drill down to the patch level with these stats. | 17:54 |
| tjones | we know we are suffering from a quality perspective in our driver. we've been hesitant to make large changes due to the lengthy review process. but now we are at a point were we *have* to do it. so we need to make a plan for doing that in juno. that's what we need to figure out - is how to do most effectively and to get it in in juno-1 so we can take advantage of it | 17:55 |
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| sgordon_ | mdbooth, do you have the script(s) you used to generate up somewhere in case someone wants to have a play | 17:55 |
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| mdbooth | sgordon_: Check out the original mail post. There's a link to the code. | 17:55 |
| sgordon_ | ta | 17:55 |
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| hartsocks | tjones: yes, unfortunately we are in a chicken-and-the-egg type of problem I think. | 17:56 |
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| hartsocks | and for the record, garyk is right… we would be helped tremendously by having a core-reviewer working with us. Then we would at least know we were measuring the right metrics for one of our +2 votes :-) | 17:57 |
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| mdbooth | We can help ourselves with in-flight though by having less stuff in flight | 17:57 |
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| hartsocks | mdbooth: so your council is literally .... | 17:58 |
| mdbooth | I think we've hit a point where it's counter-productive both to ourselves and external reviewers | 17:58 |
| hartsocks | *do less* | 17:58 |
| hartsocks | :-) | 17:58 |
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| tjones | ok lets take that. to have less stuff in flight we need smaller patches that have good tests and we need to get them in quickly | 17:58 |
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| vincent_hou | guys, it seems that we are overrunning. | 17:58 |
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| hartsocks | we have 2 minutes ;-) | 17:58 |
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| chaochin | hartsocks: I still have one question | 17:59 |
| hartsocks | tjones: so for that maybe as a group we should look at just addressing the top blueprints say 3 at a time and working down a list holding reviews. | 17:59 |
| mdbooth | tjones: Also perhaps more review swaps to get more attention | 17:59 |
| mdbooth | Although garyk is a machine | 17:59 |
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| hartsocks | chaochin: are you around for the next 30 minutes I'll be on #openstack-vmware | 17:59 |
| vuil | I am pretty sure he literally is one | 18:00 |
| hartsocks | Well that's time. | 18:00 |
| chaochin | hartsocks: Will we hope to let glance to recognize VM template in the future? | 18:00 |
| tjones | mdbooth: by review swap - you mean review other peoples patchs that are *not* vmware patches | 18:00 |
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| mdbooth | tjones: Yes | 18:00 |
| tjones | mdbooth: yes we def need to do that | 18:00 |
| * hartsocks calls time | 18:00 | |
| hartsocks | #endmeeting | 18:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Mar 5 18:00:37 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vmwareapi/2014/vmwareapi.2014-03-05-17.00.html | 18:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vmwareapi/2014/vmwareapi.2014-03-05-17.00.txt | 18:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vmwareapi/2014/vmwareapi.2014-03-05-17.00.log.html | 18:00 |
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| chaochin | hartsocks: ok | 18:00 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | RajeshMohan SridarK garyduan: there? | 18:01 |
| hartsocks | Continue on #openstack-vmware if folks need it. I'm cleaning up the bar stools | 18:01 |
| SridarK | Hi SumitNaiksatam: | 18:01 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: hi | 18:01 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | lets get started | 18:01 |
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| garyduan | Hi | 18:01 |
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| SridarK | garyduan: Hi | 18:02 |
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| RajeshMohan | hi | 18:03 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #startmeeting Networking FWaaS | 18:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Mar 5 18:03:15 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SumitNaiksatam. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:03 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking_fwaas' | 18:03 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | we will keep the agenda short for today | 18:03 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | lets focus on Rajesh's patch | 18:04 |
| SumitNaiksatam | everyone agree? | 18:04 |
| SridarK | yes | 18:04 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ok | 18:04 |
| garyduan | ok | 18:04 |
| SumitNaiksatam | RajeshMohan: thanks for being at this | 18:04 |
| SridarK | +1 | 18:05 |
| SumitNaiksatam | RajeshMohan: i am sure you haven't slept! | 18:05 |
| SumitNaiksatam | RajeshMohan: for the past couple of days that is | 18:05 |
| SumitNaiksatam | RajeshMohan: what is the latest, i saw the new UT is failing | 18:05 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | RajeshMohan: there (i know he is), just redirecting him to the right channel :-) | 18:07 |
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| RajeshMohan | sorry about that | 18:07 |
| RajeshMohan | the last change I made was to check for router-in-use | 18:08 |
| RajeshMohan | that test-case - when called from db-test works | 18:08 |
| SridarK | yes exactly | 18:08 |
| RajeshMohan | plugin inherits all db-test | 18:08 |
| SridarK | i tried that too | 18:08 |
| RajeshMohan | but it fails when called from plugin | 18:08 |
| SridarK | and when u run the fwaaplugin it fails | 18:09 |
| RajeshMohan | I think I have to set no-delete = True | 18:09 |
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| RajeshMohan | becuase the firewall delete when called from plugin does not call real delete | 18:09 |
| SumitNaiksatam | RajeshMohan: ok | 18:09 |
| nati_ueno | hi | 18:09 |
| SumitNaiksatam | nati_ueno: hi | 18:09 |
| RajeshMohan | nati_ueno: hi | 18:09 |
| SumitNaiksatam | nati_ueno: thanks for joining | 18:09 |
| nati_ueno | SumitNaiksatam: :) | 18:10 |
| SumitNaiksatam | nati_ueno: we are just discussing that one test case | 18:10 |
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| nati_ueno | router delete in use? | 18:10 |
| SumitNaiksatam | nati_ueno: yes | 18:10 |
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| nati_ueno | ah sorry, jenkins is failing for this.. | 18:11 |
| SumitNaiksatam | RajeshMohan was having problems getting to work when called from the plugin | 18:11 |
| SumitNaiksatam | RajeshMohan: go ahead | 18:11 |
| nati_ueno | May be, I'm still sleeping.. | 18:11 |
| RajeshMohan | nati_ueno: when the new test case gets called from fwaas-plugin, the firewall-delete is not called | 18:11 |
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| RajeshMohan | nati_ueno: there is an option called no_delete=True | 18:11 |
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| RajeshMohan | nati_ueno: I suspect I have to set that to True and then the actual Firewall delete must get called | 18:12 |
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| RajeshMohan | nati_ueno: the same test case workswhen called as part of DB test cases | 18:12 |
| nati_ueno | no_delete option is for deletion test | 18:12 |
| nati_ueno | I thought, if we set it True, it won't be deleted.. | 18:12 |
| SumitNaiksatam | nati_ueno: that's right | 18:13 |
| nati_ueno | so may be, we need to fix the fwaas base test cases.. | 18:13 |
| nati_ueno | let me see.. | 18:13 |
| RajeshMohan | nati_ueno: currently, the actual delete_firewall is not called | 18:13 |
| nati_ueno | RajeshMohan: so agent will update the status when the resource deleted. | 18:14 |
| nati_ueno | so IMO, we should mock it | 18:14 |
| RajeshMohan | nati_ueno: ok - will try that option | 18:15 |
| nati_ueno | https://github.com/openstack/neutron/blob/master/neutron/tests/unit/db/firewall/test_db_firewall.py#L168 | 18:15 |
| nati_ueno | It looks like no status update code here | 18:15 |
| nati_ueno | ah sorry wrong link | 18:16 |
| nati_ueno | https://github.com/openstack/neutron/blob/master/neutron/tests/unit/db/firewall/test_db_firewall.py#L253 | 18:16 |
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| nati_ueno | so we need to add delete rpc call or db call in the ut | 18:17 |
| RajeshMohan | nati_ueno: ok | 18:17 |
| nati_ueno | https://github.com/openstack/neutron/blob/master/neutron/services/firewall/fwaas_plugin.py#L248 | 18:18 |
| nati_ueno | may be this one | 18:18 |
| SumitNaiksatam | RajeshMohan: i am bit confused | 18:18 |
| SumitNaiksatam | RajeshMohan: the test is failing because you expect that the router will not be deleted | 18:18 |
| nati_ueno | so we can get service_pluging object, so call this function is reacy | 18:18 |
| SumitNaiksatam | RajeshMohan: however you are getting back a 204 | 18:18 |
| SumitNaiksatam | RajeshMohan: isn't that the issue | 18:18 |
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| RajeshMohan | SumitNaiksatam: Test case is failing because Firewall is not getting deleted | 18:19 |
| RajeshMohan | SumitNaiksatam: but router is | 18:19 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i am seeing this: MismatchError: 409 != 204 | 18:19 |
| RajeshMohan | SumitNaiksatam: When the router delete is called, we check if it is part of service-context | 18:19 |
| RajeshMohan | When called from plugin, the firewall delete is not getting called | 18:20 |
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| nati_ueno | 204 is wired.. It means router is deleted.. | 18:20 |
| SumitNaiksatam | its L843, where its checking deletion of the router | 18:20 |
| SumitNaiksatam | nati_ueno: yeah thats what i am thinking | 18:20 |
| RajeshMohan | SumitNaiksatam: We raise exception when router is deleted - which is 409 | 18:20 |
| nati_ueno | SumitNaiksatam: so, (case1) FW is deleted.. (case2) resource check code is broken | 18:20 |
| nati_ueno | Anyway, let's use pdb. It will be clear | 18:21 |
| nati_ueno | At least, current ut base class has a issue fw isn't deleted.. | 18:21 |
| RajeshMohan | SumitNaiksatam: nati_ueno: I traced though the pdb. resoruce check is working - firewall delete is not getting called | 18:21 |
| nati_ueno | RajeshMohan: so, may be return code is wrong? | 18:22 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #link http://paste.openstack.org/show/72672/ | 18:22 |
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| RajeshMohan | nati_ueno: when router is deleted and Firewall delete is not called by then, then 409 is correct | 18:22 |
| nati_ueno | yeah, 409 is correct | 18:23 |
| RajeshMohan | nati_ueno: I am trying to see why firewall-delete is not called | 18:23 |
| SumitNaiksatam | RajeshMohan: but in that case router is not deleted , right? | 18:23 |
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| RajeshMohan | SumitNaiksatam: At the end of test case, all resources are deleted | 18:23 |
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| RajeshMohan | SumitNaiksatam: the failure is at the exit (of 'with') | 18:23 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | RajeshMohan: but the exception trace shows that its failing on L843 | 18:24 |
| RajeshMohan | SumitNaiksatam: with firewall { with router {} }} | 18:24 |
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| RajeshMohan | it fails when router delete is called | 18:24 |
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| RajeshMohan | I had pdb.set_trace() in delete_firewall which never gets called | 18:25 |
| nati_ueno | IMO, it is not efficient discuss bug without the code running | 18:25 |
| RajeshMohan | this is happened only thorugh plugin-test case, db-test is fine | 18:25 |
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| nati_ueno | let's share the someones screen after this meeting | 18:26 |
| RajeshMohan | in DB-test case, I hit delete_firewall breakpoint, followed by router delete as expected (on exit) | 18:26 |
| RajeshMohan | ok | 18:26 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | RajeshMohan: no_delete is False by default | 18:27 |
| RajeshMohan | SumitNaiksatam: yes | 18:28 |
| SumitNaiksatam | RajeshMohan: so it should delete | 18:28 |
| SumitNaiksatam | RajeshMohan: anyway more importantly, do you think you have a good handle on this? | 18:28 |
| RajeshMohan | SumitNaiksatam: I had pdb trace there and was about to run when the meeting started | 18:28 |
| SumitNaiksatam | RajeshMohan: ah ok | 18:28 |
| SumitNaiksatam | nati_ueno: sorry, didn't ask you before, you had pinged regarding this or something else? | 18:29 |
| RajeshMohan | SumitNaiksatam: I think so | 18:29 |
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| nati_ueno | SumitNaiksatam: This one | 18:29 |
| SumitNaiksatam | nati_ueno: so once this done, you are +2? | 18:29 |
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| nati_ueno | SumitNaiksatam: yes | 18:31 |
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| nati_ueno | SumitNaiksatam: let's talk with Mark about deal with this as an exception | 18:31 |
| SumitNaiksatam | nati_ueno: yes | 18:32 |
| SumitNaiksatam | RajeshMohan: if you can keep nati_ueno, akihiro and myself in close loop on the progress, that will be good | 18:32 |
| SumitNaiksatam | RajeshMohan: we can all help you | 18:32 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | nati_ueno: sounds good? | 18:32 |
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| RajeshMohan | SumitNaiksatam: I will need your help | 18:33 |
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| nati_ueno | SumitNaiksatam: yes | 18:36 |
| SumitNaiksatam | nati_ueno: thanks | 18:36 |
| kevinbenton | i can help debug too | 18:36 |
| SumitNaiksatam | kevinbenton: great, thanks for jumping in | 18:36 |
| kevinbenton | since i'm just staring at the gate today anyway | 18:37 |
| kevinbenton | :) | 18:37 |
| SumitNaiksatam | RajeshMohan: perhaps do a google hangout with kevinbenton, it helps with a second pair of eyes | 18:37 |
| SumitNaiksatam | kevinbenton: i can sympathize | 18:37 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | kevinbenton's patch was in the gate queue for almost 20 hours and then jenkins failed | 18:38 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so its back in the queue at the end | 18:38 |
| SumitNaiksatam | and he has the db migration is messed up | 18:38 |
| SumitNaiksatam | garyduan: you wanted to raise the update issue? | 18:39 |
| SumitNaiksatam | garyduan: or we can wait on that? | 18:39 |
| garyduan | Well, I'd like to discuss it | 18:39 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | garyduan: yes, please go ahead | 18:40 |
| SumitNaiksatam | garyduan: so what is the use case? | 18:40 |
| garyduan | I wonder in everyone's use case, if PUT method is important | 18:40 |
| garyduan | PUT is to modify service context of a fw after its creation | 18:40 |
| RajeshMohan | guys- I am back to debugging - will ping you later | 18:41 |
| SumitNaiksatam | RajeshMohan: yes, thats fine | 18:41 |
| SumitNaiksatam | garyduan: ok | 18:41 |
| garyduan | so, that's my question, is PUT needed? | 18:43 |
| SumitNaiksatam | garyduan: so this may or may not be possible in all cases, right? | 18:43 |
| SumitNaiksatam | garyduan: i am just trying to understand | 18:43 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | garyduan: so you are saying, we deploy the firewall with the router service context | 18:43 |
| garyduan | SumitNaiksatam: it means, fw is associated with R1 and later admin want it to by applied on R2 as well | 18:44 |
| SumitNaiksatam | garyduan: ah ok | 18:44 |
| SumitNaiksatam | garyduan: what about you want to change from router to subnet context? | 18:44 |
| garyduan | SumitNaiksatam: yeah, that's possible | 18:44 |
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| SridarK | So we may transition thru a point when the fw is not applied at all | 18:45 |
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| garyduan | SridarK: yes | 18:45 |
| garyduan | Or in TAP mode, admin wants the fw to monitor another network | 18:46 |
| SumitNaiksatam | garyduan: i think that makes sense | 18:46 |
| SridarK | garyduan: correct | 18:46 |
| SumitNaiksatam | garyduan: so what was RajeshMohan's concern? | 18:47 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | garyduan: i suspect on the implementation? | 18:47 |
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| garyduan | SumitNaiksatam: yes. To support that, we need to do it in update_firewall | 18:47 |
| SumitNaiksatam | garyduan: thats fine, its not an API change, right? | 18:48 |
| garyduan | SumitNaiksatam: and support it in reference design | 18:48 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | garyduan: we already support update to a firewall | 18:48 |
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| garyduan | SumitNaiksatam: we can't update service context in this patch | 18:49 |
| SumitNaiksatam | garyduan: i believe what RajeshMohan's patch is not doing is it is not supporting update to the service context attribute | 18:49 |
| SumitNaiksatam | garyduan: yes, but that can be added as a follow up as well, right? | 18:49 |
| garyduan | SumitNaiksatam: yes. | 18:49 |
| SumitNaiksatam | garyduan: without requiring any new resource or API changes | 18:49 |
| SridarK | garyduan: SumitNaiksatam: in some sense the update is being addressed in the patch in something like a restart case | 18:49 |
| SumitNaiksatam | garyduan: good, thats what i wanted to get at | 18:49 |
| garyduan | SumitNaiksatam: that's what Rajesh and I agreed on | 18:50 |
| SumitNaiksatam | garyduan SridarK : so my thinking is that the backend will support this update only in some cases | 18:50 |
| SumitNaiksatam | garyduan: but i agree with your use case | 18:50 |
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| SridarK | it is more of a side-effect and am not sure that it is done in the sense of an update of the service-context attribute | 18:50 |
| garyduan | Well, that's not all I want to say :-) | 18:50 |
| SumitNaiksatam | garyduan: i was not part of the discussion you had with RajeshMohan, so i am not aware of his objections | 18:51 |
| SumitNaiksatam | garyduan: if his objections are to including in this patch, thats fine, because we always add that | 18:51 |
| garyduan | no, on the contrary | 18:51 |
| SumitNaiksatam | garyduan: i also don't think have to delete the firewall and create a new one is a good idea in the use case you pointed out (router R1 to R2) | 18:52 |
| garyduan | FW instance is a virtual thing | 18:52 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | garyduan: yes | 18:52 |
| SumitNaiksatam | garyduan: well lets call it logical | 18:52 |
| SumitNaiksatam | garyduan: but i think thats what you mean | 18:53 |
| garyduan | the user can create a new instance with the intended context | 18:53 |
| garyduan | and either keep the old one or remove it | 18:53 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | garyduan: yes | 18:53 |
| garyduan | For backend, it's probably the same | 18:53 |
| SumitNaiksatam | garyduan: yes | 18:53 |
| garyduan | but operational wise ... | 18:53 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | garyduan: yes | 18:54 |
| garyduan | the user might not like it | 18:54 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | garyduan: so how about we consider this as a follow up patch, i don't see us making any changes to the current patch (if we had to we had to do it earlier) | 18:54 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | garyduan: the current patch will have this limitation | 18:55 |
| garyduan | SumitNaiksatam: we don't have to touch it in the patch | 18:55 |
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| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: garyduan: In some sense our update is an overwrite | 18:55 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | garyduan: yeah, but i am saying we can try and support your use case as well | 18:56 |
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| garyduan | SridarK: I guess this is what Rajesh calls it, stateless | 18:56 |
| SridarK | yes | 18:57 |
| SumitNaiksatam | garyduan: agent is stateless | 18:57 |
| SumitNaiksatam | garyduan: so we are good on this topic for the current patch? | 18:57 |
| garyduan | SumitNaiksatam: my original question is, is it everyone's use case? | 18:57 |
| SridarK | it may work in some sense but there are will be corner cases to be sure - best if we pick this up as a separate patch | 18:57 |
| garyduan | SumitNaiksatam: :-) | 18:57 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | garyduan: the use case you mentioned made sense to me | 18:58 |
| SumitNaiksatam | garyduan: R1 to R2 | 18:58 |
| garyduan | SumitNaiksatam: or NET1, +NET2 | 18:59 |
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| SridarK | garyduan: I too agree that this is a valid usecase - it is like a config change (on where the fw is applied) in the physical world | 18:59 |
| SumitNaiksatam | garyduan: could be (but more difficult to implement, and the nature of the firewall in those cases) | 18:59 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: yeah | 18:59 |
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| garyduan | SumitNaiksatam: so we agreed we _have to_ address it in a separate patch | 19:00 |
| garyduan | SumitNaiksatam: implementation wise, there are tricky cases we need take care | 19:00 |
| SumitNaiksatam | garyduan: yes, need to hear from RajeshMohan, but you rationale made sense to me | 19:02 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ok we got end it here | 19:02 |
| SumitNaiksatam | thanks guys | 19:02 |
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| SridarK | ok bye all | 19:02 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #endmeeting | 19:02 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Mar 5 19:02:23 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:02 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_fwaas/2014/networking_fwaas.2014-03-05-18.03.html | 19:02 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_fwaas/2014/networking_fwaas.2014-03-05-18.03.txt | 19:02 |
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| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_fwaas/2014/networking_fwaas.2014-03-05-18.03.log.html | 19:02 |
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