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rakhmerov#startmeeting Mistral16:00
openstackMeeting started Mon Mar 10 16:00:44 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is rakhmerov. Information about MeetBot at
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.16:00
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rakhmerovhi guys16:00
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rakhmerovmanask, it seems to me you're here for the first time, am I right?16:01
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manaskthts correct16:01
rakhmerovcool :) Welcome16:01
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rakhmerovdo you guys know if Dmitri is coming?16:02
manaski dont think so16:02
manaskhe is on the road so may not have access16:02
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rakhmerovooh, ok16:02
rakhmerovis anybody here from Mirantis?16:03
rakhmerovtoday is a holiday in Russia so I'm not sure if all the folks from Mirantis are going to be here16:03
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rakhmerovok, let's start16:03
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rakhmerovas usually, here's the agenda:
rakhmerovlet's review previos AIs first16:04
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rakhmerov#topic Previous Action Items16:05
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rakhmerovwe had the only one from the previous meeting16:05
rakhmerov1. Nikolay, start a ML discussion about model (parsed from DSL) and distinction from db model16:05
rakhmerovit was done and looks like we've pretty much agreed on that16:06
rakhmerovhere's the patch:
rakhmerovit now looks fine but needs to be rebased16:06
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rakhmerovNikolay will do it on Wed (he doesn't work on Tuesdays)16:07
rakhmerov#topic Current Status16:08
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rakhmerovI'll start first16:08
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rakhmerovI've been working on Data Flow, community related things and overall coordination16:08
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rakhmerovas for Data Flow, my two important patches got merged16:09
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rakhmerovand another one with additional testing is on its way:
rakhmerovit's just missing one "+1" vote for now16:09
manaski can take a look today16:10
rakhmerovsure, thanks16:10
rakhmerovtomorrow I'm going to refactor actions, the current design is incomplete and doesn't match the project vision anymore16:10
manaskis there a bluprint?16:11
rakhmerovand I'm also going to review everything what's been done on Data Flow and identify what's left. Overall it's done, maybe I need to test some specific scenarious16:11
rakhmerovmanask, no, we don't have a BP yet. I think the closest blueprint is the one Dmitri is supposed to work on16:12
rakhmerovabout pluggable actions16:12
rakhmerovthey are kinda related16:12
rakhmerovI'll create a BP first, right16:12
manasksure. Thanks!16:13
rakhmerovbut just not to loose time I'll also start doing that, so that we can see both the description and the code16:13
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rakhmerovwe can adjust that if we need to16:13
rakhmerovok, I can also say for Nikolay16:13
rakhmerovhe's finished that important object model thing (still dunno how to call it properly)16:14
rakhmerovhe's also fixed an important thing in the engine (multiple tasks in on-XXX sections)16:14
rakhmerovcan you guys quickly describe your status?16:15
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rakhmerovwhoever is ready..16:15
manaski can go16:16
rakhmerovok, go ahead16:16
manaskslow week … apart from looks at changes and some email discussion no progress16:16
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manasknext I am working on std:repeater code today16:16
rakhmerovok, understandable, no worries16:17
manaskexpect to see a review by EOD tomm16:17
rakhmerovI told Nikolay to help you if needed16:17
manaskyes i fully expect to need some support16:17
manaskyou said he does not work Tuesday - right?16:17
rakhmerovwe got familiar with the etherpad you wrote and Nikolay is 100% aware of how engine works16:17
rakhmerovyeah, unfortunately he doesn't..16:18
rakhmerovyou can also ping me16:18
manaskwill do;16:18
m4dcoderi've started work on removing the local engine.  but i have a few questions which i need to send to dev ML to get opinion.  because the fake driver for oslo.messaging is using an in proc queue, the API and executor need to be running in the same process with a shared transport when it's configured to use the fake driver.16:18
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rakhmerovmanask, but what you suggested seems to be ok to me. When implementing that please keep in mind that we'll need to refactor it later when we havev that workflow grouping16:19
m4dcoderalso, need to rebase my last patch on oslo.messaging...  doesn't help when the rest action is not fully working... i have to modify the test somewhat...16:19
rakhmerovworkflow1, workflow2 etc..16:19
rakhmerovm4dcoder, ok16:19
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manaskrakhmerov : ok16:20
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rakhmerovm4dcoder, yes, pls send your questions16:21
rakhmerovand you can actually ask them here if you think it makes sense now16:21
m4dcoderi want to have a proposal first.16:21
rakhmerovok, sure16:21
m4dcoderi'm still working thru that.16:21
rakhmerovthe main requirement for that is that it works just like it does now16:22
rakhmerovI mean we should be able to configure engine and transport so that we can run workflows within a single process16:22
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enykeevI'm hopefully finished with python-mistralclient tests and context serialization (both of them are on review right now and and started digging into TaskFlow. I had also worked on the listeners blueprint, but we decided to postpone this one until we both find a proper use cases for them and finish with object model.16:23
rakhmerovand ideally it should be easy to do16:23
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m4dcoderrakhmerov: you told us last week you'll email your thoughts on TaskFlow.  did you do that?16:24
rakhmerovooh, I did?16:25
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rakhmerovenykeev, +1 from me for both patches16:25
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rakhmerovm4dcoder, as far as I remember I told in ML that we'd get familiar with what's been going in TaskFlow for the last month and see how we can live on with Taskflow together16:27
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rakhmerovour plan regarding this is digg into TaskFlow (enykeev started doing this) and then try to build a very very simple prototype based on it16:28
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rakhmerovto be able to see better all the mismatches and problems, if any16:28
m4dcodergot it.16:29
rakhmerovbut, generally, i'd say it's very important for us16:29
rakhmerovfor a number of reasons16:30
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rakhmerovok, my next topic is Repeater16:30
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rakhmerovbut we've already touched it a little bit16:30
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rakhmerovmanask, do you wanna talk about it more?16:30
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rakhmerovor it's fine for now and you have no roadblocks?16:31
manaskI hoep folks get a chance to look at the blueprint and provide any comments16:31
rakhmerovat least for the first implementation16:31
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manaskno roadblocks16:31
rakhmerovooh, ok16:31
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rakhmerovenykeev, I think it would be helpful if you could start participating this too16:32
rakhmerovit's all actually related with that TaskFlow thing...16:32
rakhmerovnot directly but anyway16:32
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rakhmerovmostly conceptually16:32
manaskyes. It may drive some requirements to that integration16:32
rakhmerovit's going to touch the overall engine architecture16:33
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rakhmerovok, let's move on16:33
rakhmerov#topic What's left on Pilot16:33
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rakhmerovthis is an important thing :)16:33
rakhmerovaccording to our Roadmap ( we should have finished Pilot a couple of weeks ago16:34
rakhmerovwhich is fine since, apparently, it was too positive estimation16:35
rakhmerovso as far what Pilot should contain I'm still thinking about an example described here:
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rakhmerovit's already outdated in terms of syntax but I'm still targeting to that idea16:36
rakhmerovunless we come up with something better16:36
manaskk. Do you know what is missing?16:36
manaskas in is there a list we can attack?16:37
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rakhmerovmostly repeater :)16:37
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rakhmerovand a series of smaller things16:37
rakhmerovfor example, like I said before not everything is ok with actions16:38
rakhmerovthis week I'm going to switch to more kind of analytic work to identify everything more detailed16:39
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manaskperfect. If you file bugs or create blueprint topics we can systematically go in and finish up16:39
rakhmerovwe already have this example workflow in mistral-extra so I'll start launching it to see what else is missing16:39
rakhmerovso we need to make it work as soon as we can16:40
rakhmerovbut repeater is the major thing16:40
rakhmerovso please keep us posted on the progress16:40
rakhmerovone of the important thing that we need to do is to make it work with a real OS installation16:41
rakhmerovand I believe we'll face more problems with it16:41
rakhmerovone thing is in my head even now16:42
manaskare you targetting a specific OS?16:42
rakhmerovsomehow, we need to insert auth token when HTTP actions make requests to Nove, for example16:42
rakhmerovmanask, you mean specific version?16:43
rakhmerovor what?16:43
manaskyes like ubuntu 1216:43
rakhmerovooh, I meant OpenStack16:43
rakhmerovby OS16:43
manaskgot it … sorry!16:44
rakhmerovso as for that auth token thing we have a couple of ideas with Nikolay which aren't captured anyway16:44
rakhmerovlet me capture a couple of AI16:45
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rakhmerov#action rakhmerov, create a BP describing insertion of auth token into HTTP action requests16:45
rakhmerov#action rakhmerov, create a BP on actions refactoring16:46
rakhmerov#action rakhmerov, identify all the things left on Pilot16:46
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rakhmerovso, once this example completely works we need to record a screencast, update wiki and other sources, complete specs and so on. A lot of work16:47
rakhmerovand share the results with community16:47
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rakhmerovso let's try to do it as quickly as possible16:49
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rakhmerovafter that we'll take a pause and review everything: DSL, API, design and file a bunch of new BPs based on that for the next cycles16:49
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rakhmerovok, I don't have any more specific topics for now16:50
rakhmerovif you guys have anything let's talk16:50
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manaskquick administrative update16:51
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manaski am now using manas@stackstorm.com16:51
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manaski will do my best to update systems asap but if you need to unicast me then please use the new one.16:51
rakhmerovok, sure16:52
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manaskthts it from me16:52
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rakhmerovcan we finish?16:52
rakhmerovalright, thanks to everyone!16:53
enykeevseems like we can16:53
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rakhmerovbye guys, I think we'll be moving faster now16:53
rakhmerovI mean development16:53
rakhmerovbye guys, have a good day/night )16:54
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jaypipes#startmeeting 3rd-party-ci18:02
openstackMeeting started Mon Mar 10 18:02:28 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is jaypipes. Information about MeetBot at
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jaypipesgood afternoon stackers. anyone here for the third party CI Q&A meeting?18:02
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dwalleckhowdy :D18:03
jaypipesso, unfortunately, I did not have time to complete a followup article on setting up nodepool this past week.18:03
jaypipesI promise to have that done shortly, however.18:03
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jaypipesI have not seen any specific questions around 3rd party CI on the infra or dev lists, so the floor is open for questions.18:04
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jaypipesdwalleck: howdy cowboy!18:04
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jaypipescould it be that nobody has any issues with 3rd party CI? :)18:07
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fungii'm thinking we've been doing a great job if that's the case!18:07
jeblairno one is allowed to complain if they don't speak up at this meeting! :)18:07
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jaypipeswell, I did get one question on my blog about setting up FTP for artifact publshing, but that fellow isn't in the channel. I'll write a follow up blog about that I suppose.18:08
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jeblairwe're pretty close to having zuul able to support jenkins and others publishing artifacts to swift18:08
jeblairhopefully we'll be doing that in openstack-infra soon18:09
jeblair(i'm planning on reviewing those patches today)18:09
jaypipesooh, very nice :)18:09
rfolcojeblair, +1 we're very interested on that18:09
jaypipesjeblair: if you have links to those patches, I'd be happy to take a look (and will include links to the eventual merged commits in an article...)18:09
jaypipesrfolco: hi! what are you currently doing for publishing artifacts? dropbox? some custom ftp site?18:10
rfolcojaypipes, Softlayer18:10
jaypipesrfolco: kk18:11
jaypipesjeblair: cheers18:11
SergeyLukjanovheh, we'll update savanna-ci after project renaming to latest zuul version and I'll recheck 3rd party CI requirements fulfillment18:11
SergeyLukjanovbah, it'll be sahara-ci18:11
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jaypipesSergeyLukjanov: still getting used to the rename, I see :)18:12
jaypipesSergeyLukjanov: no worries. I'm still writing 2013 on checks. ;)18:12
SergeyLukjanovjaypipes, yup, ~2 years will be enough :)18:12
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jaypipesOK, well if anyone thinks up any questions around 3rd party CI, feel free to email the -dev or -infra mailing list and I'll include them in next week's session. Going to close this one up.18:14
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MrJoshuaAnyone here for the ETC Cloud Meeting?  (Milk-Dev)18:59
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NobodyCamMrJoshua: Ironic meeting is next up18:59
jrollMrJoshua: this is the ironic meeting18:59
jrollDST may have tricked you :)18:59
NobodyCam#startmeeting Ironic19:00
NobodyCam#chair devananda19:00
NobodyCamWelcome everyone to the Ironic meeting.19:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'ironic'19:00
openstackCurrent chairs: NobodyCam devananda19:00
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NobodyCamwho's here for the Ironic meeting19:00
dwalleckhowdy :)19:00
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devanandahi all!19:00
NobodyCamwelcome all19:00
NobodyCamOf course the agenda can be found at:19:01
NobodyCam#topic Greetings, roll-call and announcements19:01
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romcheg1I was missing you :)19:01
devanandait was great to see so many of you last week -- and for the rest, I look forward to seeing you in Atlanta19:01
NobodyCamwas great to see everyone at the sprint19:01
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dwalleckSo I'm tagging along with the other Rackers19:01
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NobodyCamdevananda: would you like to recap some if last week?19:02
devanandahopefully we can keep the meeting somewaht short today - i suspect some of us are still recovering from travel19:02
NobodyCamnew deploy agent?19:02
devanandaNobodyCam: sure19:02
NobodyCamand time change19:02
devanandaso three things happened last week that I want to mention19:02
devanandafeature freeze was tuesday, and ttx cut an I3 milestone of Ironic19:03
devanandawe're following the general releace cycle, which means no more major features should land in tree until Juno opens19:03
devanandabug fixes, documentation, and integration work are all good things to work on19:04
devanandathere's plenty of that to go around :)19:04
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devanandawe talked with the rackspace team a bunch about their driver and deply agent19:04
devanandai sent an email to the list, so i won't recap much here19:05
devanandabesides to welcome them to the meeting and the project19:05
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devanandaand say that i'm excited to have rackspace finally joining us :)19:05
devanandaadam_g and Shrews made a lot of progress with agordeev's devstack patch19:06
devanandaand it seems to be quite functional now19:06
wanyenDoes Nova Ironic driver make to the icehouse?19:06
NobodyCamawesome and welcome to the RS folks19:06
NobodyCamI woud like to draw attention to the fact that we have pulled the ironic-nova driver into our tree. for those who have not seen it there yet19:06
NobodyCamwanyen: ^^19:07
lucasagomeswanyen, the Nova Ironic Driver is now being developed in the Ironic tree19:07
lucasagomeswanyen, we are going to push it to nova again on J19:07
wanyenoka,  Thanks!19:08
NobodyCamty lucasagomes :)19:08
devanandaNobodyCam: thanks for the reminder - and for those who want to know more, I mentioned that in my email t othe dev list as well19:08
ifarkasdevananda, the guide agordeev created is still relevant or needs to be updated: ?19:08
devanandaanyone else have announcements / things to share from last week?19:08
dwalleckAnd if anyone needs any help with testing of the Nova Ironic Driver, I'd be more than glad to pitch in <-- tester/CI person19:09
devanandaifarkas: i believe taht etherpad is correct. last I saw, adam_g was updating it as he went19:09
ifarkasdevananda, ok, thanks19:09
NobodyCamother then BIG thank you's to HP and YAHOO! for hosting19:09
devanandadwalleck: yes! thanks! see that etherpad ^19:09
matty_dubsWe did set up to coordinate work on documentation if that's useful to others19:09
devanandadwalleck: please chat with Shrews and adam_g in #openstack-ironic post meeting19:09
Shrewsdevananda, ifarkas: i question the correctness of that etherpad, atm19:10
devanandaShrews: ack ... well, it's an etherpad after all ... i'm sure someone will update it ;)19:10
Shrewsmainly because 70348 is not referenced anymore for some reason19:10
devanandaok, moving on then19:11
ifarkasShrews, devananda, right. the localrc file still checks out the gerrit branch for nova19:11
devanandaifarkas: ah. that's a problem19:11
devanandait also needs to set the virt_driver to a different value now taht the driver is in ironic's tree, not nova's19:12
devanandalet's circle back to that in a bit19:12
devananda#topic what got postponed to Juno19:12
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devanandaa few blueprints got bumped last week19:12
* devananda should have the links handy, but doesn't19:12
devanandawindows / whole-disk image support19:13
devanandaipmitool console via shellinaboxd19:13
devanandaHP iLO driver19:13
devanandaceilometer integration19:13
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NobodyCamdevananda: topic question. if people what to continue to work ok blocked (-2'd) patches until J cycle opens can/should they push up new revs or hold off until J is open?19:13
NobodyCams/work ok/work on/19:14
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devanandaNobodyCam: thanks for asking19:14
devanandaI encourage folks to continue working on features taht didn't make it in19:14
devanandaand pushing patches up if they want to19:14
romcheg1-2 won't get overridden anyway19:14
devanandaI'll try to look now and then, if I see activity19:14
devanandagerrit will carry the -2 forward onto new patch sets, and I'll remove that as soon as Juno development opens19:15
devanandait is in no way a reflection on not wanting the contribution19:15
NobodyCamdevananda: thank you for the answer :)19:15
devanandajust a matter of time -- we didn't have enough19:15
devanandait looks to me like the whole-disk-image support and ipmitool console support were pretty close19:16
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devanandaso I'm hoping we can keep those alive and land as soon as juno opens19:16
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devanandaany questions about postponed work?19:17
NobodyCamwhen is J opened19:17
devanandaIMBW, but I believe Juno is opened as soon as RC1 is branched19:18
devanandawhich would be the last week of March19:18
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devanandawe then maintain the RC branch for a few weeks and back-port fixes if an only of necessary19:18
devanandabefore the final reelease is cut ~ april 19th19:18
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devanandaany more questions?19:19
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devananda#topic working towards RC19:19
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devanandavery briefly19:20
devanandaif you find or see a bug taht you think is essential to fix *now*19:20
devanandaplease bring it to the attention of a -core member19:20
devanandaand we'll target to RC19:20
devanandathat list is tracked at the link abovce19:20
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devanandait's also the reference taht the release team has19:21
NobodyCamjust fwiw: I'm looking a few issues on Bug #128904819:21
devanandaand they won't release until everything targeted to RC is marked as fix-committed19:21
devananda#topic what to expect in Juno19:22
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devanandaanother real quick point here -- besides the bumped BP's, what we do is largely up to all of you19:22
devanandaso please go propose sessions for the design summit :)19:22
NobodyCamdevananda: do we have a session on the new deploy agent stuff?19:22
jrollNobodyCam: we haven't proposed any, afaik19:23
NobodyCamwould like to sink my teeth in to that :-p19:23
jrollyeah, we'll put one up this week19:23
NobodyCamjroll: awesome :)19:23
lucasagomesNobodyCam, :P yeah we def need a section for that19:23
lucasagomesjroll, nice19:24
jrollit looks like there's no ironic sessions at all right now?19:24
devanandaunless there are any process questions about the summit or session proposals, i'd like to open the floor for general discussion soon19:24
devanandajroll: hmm... lemme check19:24
NobodyCamopen the gates~ :)19:25
devanandajroll: yea, none proposed yet19:25
devananda#topic open discussion19:25
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lucasagomesmaybe the guys working on supporting disk image should propouse one, that would be an interesting one19:26
lucasagomesor we can propose it ourselfs if needed19:26
NobodyCamhow summit session for Driver architecture for Chassis object ...19:27
NobodyCamseems to me we don't have a good idea of what the chassis is currently doing / needed for19:27
NobodyCamgah/ s/how summit/ how about a summit/19:28
ifarkasdevananda, regarding devstack, to what value does virt_driver need to be set in localrc?19:28
devanandajroll / JayF - by the summit, you guys will probably have the agent cleaned up a lot. I'd definitely encourage you to spend a few minutes presenting the work you've got and then let folks discuss their needs and see how it all fits together19:28
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devanandaI also think we should have a session on CI19:28
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lucasagomeshere's a nova conf file pointing to the nova ironic driver in the ironic tree19:28
devanandaboth devstack and tripleo19:28
JayFI was thinking from a focus perspective, we'd want to get the agent+driver to fully working prototype state by the summit.19:29
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devanandaJayF: ++19:29
JayFWith a focus on having something working with ironic to demo at the summit19:29
NobodyCamJayF: ++ :)19:29
jrollagreed :)19:29
JayFI think once we get the non-OS deps out and switch to testr, we'll be focusing on the features needed for finishing a prototype19:30
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devanandaJayF: expect a lot of interest in collaboration on it19:30
adam_gassuming the ironic+devstack patch gets finished up this week, i was planning on starting to put together an etherpad tracking tempest coverage of ironic.  what passes, whats busted, whats missing, etc.19:30
devanandaadam_g: that is very much needed19:31
NobodyCamadam_g: that would great19:31
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ifarkaslucasagomes, thanks but I asked specifically regarding the localrc because devananda mentioned before that the virt_driver need to be set to something else19:31
lucasagomesifarkas, ah ack :) I think I missread that19:32
devanandaifarkas: note that scheduler_host_manager and compute_driver both have a prefix of "ironic." now19:32
devanandataht's the change19:32
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devanandathose classes are now in ironic.nova.* instead of nova.*19:32
adam_gifarkas: i saw your comments on the devstack patch, i will be poking closer at it today. i updated it on friday to set drivers accordingly19:32
ifarkasadam_g, devananda, cool, thanks19:33
jrolldevananda, NobodyCam: :)19:33
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NobodyCamdevananda: I'll prob be poking at in the next day or so19:34
NobodyCamAdd Ironic bits to _undercloud19:34
devanandaNobodyCam: great19:34
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devanandaI think it's time that I did a massive cleanup of our white board :)19:35
devananda#action devananda to clean up
NobodyCamcan we have a etherpad that lists all our etherpads19:36
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NobodyCamI have 9 open etherpads19:36
devanandaa metapad might be better19:37
devanandawe could move that to the top of the white board,a nd just link that one from the wiki and IRC channel19:37
NobodyCamI'll add what I have thats not listed19:37
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NobodyCamthis works for me19:38
lucasagomesdevananda, yeah that will be good19:38
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NobodyCamwas just looking for a place I could point folks to19:38
devanandak, will do after meeting19:38
devanandaI see someone added an item to the agenda to talk about IPMI and gathering metrics fro mother devices19:38
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devanandaI'm not sure what that's about -- there's no link19:39
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devanandaunless it's a reference to ceilometer work that was abandoned early in icehouse?19:39
NobodyCamdevananda: I assue its "oob" metrics19:40
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NobodyCamassume even19:40
NobodyCamdo we know who added that?19:41
devanandalucasagomes: looks like you made the edit?19:41
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lucasagomesah it was me19:41
lucasagomesit's was more to start a brainstorm about whether ironic should collect metrics from other devices19:41
lucasagomesand pass it to ceilometer19:41
devanandadefine "other devices"19:42
lucasagomesHaomeng was implementing it for nodes in ironic, I think we mentioned that talking to him at some point19:42
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NobodyCamlucasagomes: i think that might change our mission statment.19:42
lucasagomesdevananda, any other device that ironic might touch, e.g disk arrays19:43
lucasagomesNobodyCam, yeah I see that19:43
wanyene.g., NICs19:43
devanandalucasagomes: i dont see ironic doing configuration of non-compute resources (eg, SAN, switch, etc)19:43
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lucasagomesdevananda, ack, but as talked ironic might touch these devices for e.g to update the os image on them19:45
devanandaI've talked with a few people about whether or not Ironic could provision them -- right19:45
lucasagomescinder manages the storage array, but when it comes to provision a new image to it19:45
devanandabut ironic's mission ends once the OS is installed19:45
lucasagomescinder talks to ironic which does it19:45
lucasagomesand pass the control backs to cinder19:45
wanyenIronic can report status of those devices, e.g., link is up or down19:45
NobodyCamwanyen: that might be a good topic for the summit, But see that type of reporting out side of Ironic's current scopr19:46
devanandawanyen: i believe lucasagomes is referring to flashing firmware / updating the operating system on a SAN or Switch, not monitoring individual NICs -- which is, IMO, even further from Ironic's mission statement19:46
devanandalucasagomes: here's the use case AIUI19:46
devananda* user talks to cinder to provision storage19:47
wanyenIwas referring to ceilometer and Ironic integration19:47
devananda* user talks to nova to request compute with that storage attached19:47
linggaodevananda, I have a bp passed to me by sjing. it is firmware update.19:47
devananda* nova passes cinder vol info to ironic19:47
devananda* ironic attaches remote storage to hardware19:47
linggaoHave you guys discussed it at the Hong Kong summit?19:47
devananda* ironic provisions image on hardware19:47
NobodyCam(hi linggao )19:47
devanandalucasagomes: so in that ^ I don't see Ironic as ever having touched cinder or the SAN directly19:48
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devanandalinggao: hi! we talked in HKG, but I think it was somewhat premature and no work has been done on firmware update19:48
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lucasagomesdevananda, right, hmm yeah that makes sense19:49
devanandalinggao: we'll need support for that at some point within the utility agent that JayF and jroll are working on19:49
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linggaoright sjing told me it depends on the utiliy ramdisk19:49
devanandalinggao: and some common modeling in the REST and driver APIs so that firmware update is possible across many drivers19:49
jrolllinggao: our team will be working on that soon, possibly before atlanta19:50
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jrolllinggao: do you have a link to the blueprint?19:50
devanandaalso, for the folks working or interested in that utility ramdisk19:50
linggaojroll, I saw utility-ramdisk bp is already in code-review status19:50
devanandait's not tied to the ironic release cycle19:50
devanandaIOW, it's not under feature freeze :)19:50
jrolllinggao: it's in "code review" to become an openstack project19:51
devanandajroll: as soon as you guys can finish the clean up, let's get it into gerrit so others can start collaborating with you guys19:51
jrolllinggao: we should have a demo and most basic features available by atlanta19:51
devanandajroll: not that you need any encouragement on taht front ;)19:51
JayF we have it -1'd right now pending getting tests working happily19:51
jrolldevananda: +119:51
JayFbut once that is merged we'll be in openstack/gerrit19:51
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devanandajroll: did I say that I'd set up the LP stuff for it? or have you guys?19:52
linggaojroll, that would be cool (demo)19:52
jrolldevananda: as for the agent driver, my plan is to put up a patch for ironic to upstream it when juno opens19:52
jrolldevananda: I'm not sure. JayF?19:52
NobodyCamdevananda: I recall hearing that19:52
JayFdevananda: I think you said we'd use the ironic project? Although I'm not opposed to having the agent have it's own.19:52
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JayFIn fact it might make sense to keep it separated, especially if it's not going to be part of FF19:53
JayFdifferent review teams, etc19:53
NobodyCamJayF: ++19:53
devanandajroll: please put up a patch for the driver around the time that the agent repo is populated in gerrit19:53
jrolldevananda: ok, we can do that19:53
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linggaojroll, here is the bp
JayFdevananda: If that's the route we want to go, I'd ask either to point me at a document telling me how to setup LP for it, or just do it19:53
devanandajroll: i'll promptly -2 it, but i'd still like to have a reference in gerrit :)19:53
jrolldevananda: yep :)19:53
devanandathanks :)19:53
JayFjroll: we'll be continuing work on the driver, probably in gh with upstreaming of the patches as they're written, while waiting for juno to open, right?19:54
devananda#action devananda to check with infra re: separate LP thing for the agent, and set it up if needed19:54
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jrollJayF: yes19:54
linggaojroll, are you saying your team will work on firmware update or I work on the update using the framework you team is working on?19:54
jrollJayF: we'll just be continually updating the gerrit review for our driver until ironic team is ready to look at it19:55
NobodyCamat the tone there is 5 minutes left... beep19:55
devanandaJayF: jroll: even one patch in gerrit with a link to GH would be enough to start -- just a reference point for now19:55
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jrolldevananda: ok19:55
JayFlinggao: It's absolutely on the list of things we want to do. I don't know if that means you should do it now or if we'll get to it first. :)19:55
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jrolllinggao: if you'd like to work on it, go ahead. If you don't work on it, we will :)19:55
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NobodyCamI can see the firmware update being tricky19:56
JayFYou're even welcome to submit a PR in via the github repo while we're waiting to get things fixed for it to merge over19:56
NobodyCamie if the otherboard only have windows based flashing tools19:56
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JayFNobodyCam: honestly that hadn't even occurred to me. That could be rough. It'll help that we're doing plugable backends for hardware, so we might implement a sensible one for linux for the prototype, but leave room for folks who need that to implement it19:57
NobodyCamJayF: ya that makes sense to me19:58
linggaoright. I know how to do the firmware update for IBM hardware. Have to talk to folks on what is the general way to do it.19:58
devanandaJayF: also the driver API for firmware updates will need to support other vendor's drivers which may do updates OOB19:58
devanandaa summit session where folks sketch out how to do firmware udpates on different hardware might be good19:59
NobodyCamdevananda: ++19:59
devanandastart getting a picture of where the abstraction points are19:59
NobodyCamless then one minute19:59
devanandawhat a common API will look like19:59
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linggaodevananda, +119:59
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lucasagomeswe gotta start looking at promoting some methods in the vendor interface to core19:59
devanandalucasagomes: ++19:59
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devanandalucasagomes: want to toss an email to the list with some ideas on that?19:59
NobodyCamlucasagomes: devananda thats a topic for summit track20:00
lucasagomesdevananda, yeah20:00
devanandatime's up :)20:00
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devanandathanks everyone! great meeting20:00
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NobodyCamthank you20:00
lucasagomesI can send something to the list20:00
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sarob_#startmeeting milk20:01
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openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.20:01
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'milk'20:01
sarob_Roll call20:01
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sarob_Keyvan and MrJoshua20:03
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MrJoshuaI guess the time moved, because of DST.20:03
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sarob_Yeah, pain20:04
MrJoshuaSo I just updated the wiki and sit out the getting started mail this morning.20:04
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sarob_All the Openstack mtgs are keyed off GMT20:04
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sarob_I saw20:04
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sarob_Hey there20:05
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MrJoshuaI'm in the thick of it with C4, but I'll try to get the updates to the project pushed to github today or tomorrow AM at the latest.20:05
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sarob_That's good for me20:05
sarob_#topic getting milk contributors ready20:06
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MrJoshuaThis includes apiary doc, Django project, and freshen requirements.20:06
sarob_Sarob like20:06
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MrJoshuaAny notes on the instructions I sent out?20:07
sarob_I've been slammed20:07
sarob_I'm going to review today20:07
sarob_I assume we are targeting devs20:08
sarob_So cut to the meat on contributing20:08
MrJoshuaIf anyone's here that hasn't gotten setup for contributing, please give the instructions a try and tell me if anything is wrong about them.20:08
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sarob_moving on20:09
MrJoshuaYeah, I'm not sure how any non-devs could contribute here, but they can post ideas etc, to the mailing list.20:09
sarob_#action sarob review contributors instructions20:10
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sarob_#action sarob add non Dev contrib20:10
MrJoshua...and the wiki20:10
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sarob_#topic code20:10
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sarob_#action MrJoshua will patch req, apiary doc, django park code20:12
sarob_Anything missed?20:12
MrJoshuaAs I integrated my template api with the registry stuff, I realized that it made sense to create a index of categories in the initial api.20:12
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MrJoshuaThe idea is we may have multiple version / alternate ideas  and approaches20:13
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MrJoshuaWell the fact is we already do.20:13
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sarob_And will20:14
MrJoshuaSo if you go to the root  url "/" it will give you a list of the different API interfaces with some version and description information.20:14
MrJoshuaand the path to that interface20:14
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MrJoshuaso for example "/registery/v4", "/experemental", "/bobs_version/" etc.20:15
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MrJoshuaThat gives us room to do lots of stuff without too much stepping on each other even in a deployment.20:16
sarob_We could branch other sub projects20:16
sarob_Before they create their own repos20:17
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MrJoshuaYeah, of course if something is worth while to follow in more detail, but this will allow us to move quickly and have multiple verations of the API operational on the same server at one.20:18
MrJoshua... time20:18
sarob_Sarob like20:18
sarob_Anything else?20:18
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MrJoshuaAnyway that's the only news/change on my end.20:19
sarob_Moving on20:19
sarob_#topic timing20:19
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sarob_Soo april is looming20:19
sarob_Do we continue with that as a deadline for something working20:20
sarob_Or just present the collaboration so far at nab?20:20
MrJoshuaIndeed.  We should start taking a look at what is reasonably possible to finish by then.20:21
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sarob_Is just keyvan20:21
sarob_You and me20:21
sarob_Enuf to say collaboration?20:22
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sarob_It's something for sure20:22
MrJoshuaWe will have the basic client and server to do identification and look up services, but I'm not sure how 'exciting' that is.  Perhaps just a slide show is better.20:22
sarob_Demo is always exciting20:23
sarob_But it's the collaboration20:23
sarob_I'm interested in highlighting20:24
sarob_To get more devs20:24
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sarob_On projects plural20:24
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MrJoshuaDo we actually have any collaboration that's noteworthy yet?  haha20:24
sarob_Well across all the projects20:25
sarob_A lot of discussion20:25
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sarob_I want to take what we have so far to another20:25
sarob_SVP level meeting20:25
sarob_And ask for Dev commitments20:26
sarob_They joined etc to collaborate20:26
MrJoshuaIt'll no doubt help to have requirements test in place to provide clear marching orders.20:26
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sarob_Like a FTE per studio20:26
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sarob_But I think we need a bit if code and a platform to speak from20:27
sarob_Spellcheck hmmm20:27
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sarob_#info goal for spring 2014 and NAB is to get Dev commitment from studios20:28
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sarob_There I said it out LOUD20:29
MrJoshuaHaha, yeah boy.  And not just the promise, but people actually showing up to meetings and committing revisions.20:29
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sarob_I'm close to getting a few others to tag along20:29
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sarob_I'm done soapboxing for now20:30
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sarob_#topic any other business20:30
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MrJoshuaActually I have to go, and I can't think of anything else at the moment.20:31
sarob_Anyone else?20:31
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sarob_Then that is a wrap!20:31
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sarob_Thx mrjoshua20:31
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Swamihi all21:00
markmcclainarmax, arosen, SumitNaiksatam, emagana, amotoki, nati_ueno, obondarev_, salv-orlando: hi21:00
SumitNaiksatammarkmcclain: hi21:01
SumitNaiksatamhi all!21:01
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markmcclain#startmeeting Networking21:02
openstackMeeting started Mon Mar 10 21:02:07 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is markmcclain. Information about MeetBot at
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.21:02
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markmcclain#link Agenda21:02
markmcclain#topic Announcements21:02
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markmcclain#info Icehouse-3 has been released21:02
markmcclain#info We had more requests for FFEs than we could accept21:03
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markmcclainMaking the cut was not easy, but working with the OpenStack release team we drew the line at items that were rated High or greater and/or were stuck in the merge queue when I-3 was tagged21:05
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markmcclainHad the gate not backed up those items would have merged on time21:05
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markmcclain#info Entering the stability, documentation, and testing phase21:06
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markmcclainNow that the Icehouse release is almost feature complete we're entering the time where we need to turn our attention to making the release stable and fixing any lingering bugs21:07
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markmcclain#info Only bugfixes and FFEs will be merged all new items will be deferred until Juno opens21:07
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markmcclainThe RC will be cut when all blueprints/bugs targeted for it are closed21:08
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markmcclainWe have 69 bugs targeted for RC1 which is bit high21:08
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emaganamarkmcclain: Do we have owners for all of them?21:09
marunhmm, ml2 migration not on the list?21:09
markmcclainmarun: it's the first bp in RC121:09
marunthis one appears to be missing an owner:
* marun is blind21:10
markmcclainyeah… since the report was marked as incomplete, I was waiting for more info before ensuring we have an owner for 124425521:10
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emaganamarkmcclain: any new bug will be consider for RC1 or not?21:12
markmcclainemagana: for now please target new bugs to RC121:12
markmcclainor for those that can't target, let me know and I'll add it to RC121:12
markmcclainstarting next week we'll be more strict on which bugs we target to RC121:13
emaganamarkmcclain: great!21:13
markmcclainLet's move onto bugs21:13
markmcclain#topic Bugs21:13
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markmcclain#link RC1 Critical Bugs21:13
markmcclainnati_ueno: what is the status of this?21:14
nati_uenomarkmcclain: this is broked by enable_securiy_config option21:14
nati_uenoWe are in the discussion of ini file design21:15
nati_uenofor 6728121:15
armaxarosen: can you have a look at the review?21:15
markmcclainnati_ueno: ok… when patchset 23 is posted you add related to the commit message?21:16
nati_uenopatch set for 23 for which?21:17
nati_uenomarkmcclain: Ah I got it.21:17
nati_uenomarkmcclain: sure I will21:17
markmcclainnati_ueno: thanks21:17
markmcclainlooks like jlibosva is now offline21:17
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markmcclainI'll follow up with tomorrow on the status of 128046421:17
markmcclainI've got a fix ready to push that will mitigate this issue21:18
markmcclainour last 3 bugs are the ones we have been carrying for months21:18
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markmcclainBoth me, salv-orlando, and others have been looking into them21:19
salv-orlando1230407 is even more vague than 125389621:19
markmcclainall 3 can be triggered by any number of things21:20
salv-orlandobut I'd say it reming us of deadlocks and lock wait timeouts21:20
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salv-orlandoWe have that bp from arosen, which in theory should nullify 125389621:20
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salv-orlandobasically because it removes any chance that a VM can boot without network21:21
salv-orlandostill, we might end up having a lot of "boot timeout" issues ;)21:21
marunboot can still fail, but failure will be detected early21:21
marunand more importantly - tracked.  so we can prioritize our optimization efforts.21:21
maruni'm hoping we can squeeze in dhcp validation too, via a dhcping-like mechanism.21:22
marunbut that maybe doesn't have to go into the rc.  we can always backport.21:22
salv-orlandonova-event-callback is also telling that the dream of compute independent of networking was probably a chimera, but this is another story.21:22
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marunchimera == bs ? ;)21:23
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markmcclainI think we all learned that coordination is necessary21:23
salv-orlandomarun: something you hoped was true but in the end was just a dream in your head… pretty much. So yes maybe bs is a good definition21:23
markmcclainmarun: agreed… I'm thinking backport is probably what we're looking at for that fix21:24
markmcclainAny other critical bugs the team should be tracking?21:24
marunmarkmcclain: but the primary fix has to make it in, right?  since nova is planning on waiting for notifications this cycle?21:25
markmcclainmarun: arosen's fix yes21:25
markmcclainsorry wasn't clear the backport was for dhcp-ping21:25
markmcclain#topic Docs21:26
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emaganahi there!21:26
emaganajust updated the wiki to make it short21:26
emaganawe may need some redhat experts because the folks helping on the installation guide are having problems with red hat, ubuntu went fine21:27
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emaganaany volunteers?21:28
markmcclainmarun: can you help connect the right folks?21:28
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marunemagana: Let's coordinate after to make it happen.21:28
markmcclainmarun: thank you21:28
emaganaas I have been mentioning, there are a mayor refactor work on the installation guide ad the neutron part is one of the most important, we want to have it right!21:29
emaganamarun: thanks! I will give your name to the folks working on this.21:29
markmcclainLooks like we have a lot of bugs open21:29
markmcclainand not a lot in-progress21:29
emaganaindeed, some of them become obsolete21:29
emaganawe need to do a deep clean up work on the bugs21:30
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markmcclainIs that something you can tackle this week? or do you need assistance?21:30
emaganaI can complete it by Wednesday and have you or anyone else to double check before the end of week21:30
banixemagana: For new plugins, can you point me to where I can find out what I need to do21:31
emaganabanix: sure, please ping me on the mailing list21:31
banixemagana: will do; thanks.21:31
markmcclainemagana: perfect ping me and/or channel when we're ready for a 2nd set of eyes21:31
emaganamarun: sounds good!21:32
emaganaupps.. I mean markmcclain21:32
markmcclainAnything else for docs?21:32
emaganawe are good!21:33
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markmcclainemagana: thanks for updating21:33
markmcclain#topic Tempest21:33
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markmcclainmlavalle: hi21:33
markmcclainnow that we're done frantically get code merged into Icehouse21:34
mlavalleWe have been seeing continue merging21:34
mlavalleof api tests21:34
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mlavalleover the past 2 weeks or so, we have merged 921:34
markmcclainseems like we could help by getting some more eyes from the neutron team on the tempest patches21:34
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mlavalleI just sent a message to the ML with a list of 6 that only need one more +2 to merge21:35
markmcclaincool.. I was looking at the bigger set of patches where we there's not a +1 from someone on the Neutron side21:35
mlavallethat's good…. I will send a list to neutron debs with code that needs review21:36
mlavalleI am also contacting 5 authors who have abandoned patches21:36
markmcclainthanks for doing that21:37
mlavalleI will thank them for their effort, ask if they still have bandwidth and if the answer is no, reassign the tests to someone else21:37
Sukhdev I have sent several requests for
mlavallebut all in all, good progress so far21:37
mlavallethat's all I have21:37
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mlavalleSukhdev: I will give visibility to your patch set during next Tempest meeting21:38
markmcclaindo you know what our current pass rate is for the full job?21:38
Sukhdevmlavalle: Thanks21:38
mlavalleI haven't been paying attention to that, but I can do it this week21:38
markmcclaingreat would nice to activate the full job permanently if we're within an acceptable passing range21:39
mlavallewill do21:39
markmcclainAny other items you wanted to discuss?21:39
mlavallethat's it, thanks21:39
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markmcclainmlavalle: thanks for the update21:40
markmcclain#topic L321:40
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markmcclaincarl_baldwin: hi21:40
carl_baldwinDiscussed l3-high-availability, neutron-ovs-dvr, and dynamic-routing in the meeting21:40
carl_baldwinInformation about reviewing and testing l3-high-availability added to the sub team page.21:40
carl_baldwinBring discussion for new L3 work for Juno to the meeting Thursday at 1500 UTC.21:40
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carl_baldwinI don’t know if this fits strictly under this subteam but it affects L3 agent ...21:41
carl_baldwinI started an etherpad about performance problems in L3 and other agents due to execution wrapper overhead.  I think we should make some progress on this before Icehouse releases.21:41
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carl_baldwinThat is all I wanted to highlight.21:42
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markmcclainyeah I think that making more efficient use of the calls executed within the wrappers is smart21:43
markmcclainand is something that makes the final release more stable21:43
markmcclaincarl_baldwin: thanks for the update21:43
markmcclain#topic IPv621:43
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carl_baldwinmarkmcclain: Agreed21:44
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markmcclainsc68cal is traveling today21:44
markmcclainI wanted to call attention to some of the FFE IPv6 reviews21:44
markmcclain#topic ML221:45
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markmcclainrkukura: hi21:45
markmcclainmestery is on PTO this week21:46
rkukuraa few bug fixes are in the works, but no FFEs except the migration tool21:46
markmcclaindo we need another core to help review:
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rkukurathat's the one - need core reviews on that21:46
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marunmarkmcclain: the script should work for both lb and ovs now.21:47
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marunmarkmcclain: want to talk to you about how to check that db target is icehouse21:47
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marunmarkmcclain: we can do that offline21:47
markmcclainarmax: would you mind being the other core on the migration review?21:48
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armaxI'll allocate a few cycles the next couple of days21:48
markmcclainarmax: thank you21:48
markmcclainrkukura: any other bug fixes the team should pay attention to?21:49
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rkukuraI'm working on the DB transaction fix, which will probably come in 2 parts for easy review21:50
rkukurahope to have 1st today, 2nd tomorrow21:50
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rkukurathe combination, plus one that merged, fixes at least 2 bugs21:50
markmcclaingood to know21:51
rkukuraWhat's the status of
banixno recent reviews21:52
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rkukuraI'll review that one, and we need another core21:52
markmcclainI've looked at it a couple of times, so I'll take another look21:52
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rkukuraI think that's about it21:53
markmcclainrkukura: thanks for the update21:53
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markmcclain#topic General Discussion21:53
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markmcclainI know many on the services side were frustrated with the process merging code for Icehouse.21:54
markmcclainOne of the things I've been thinking about recently is how we can alter the process to make it work better21:55
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markmcclainIf you've got ideas feel free to PM, email me.21:55
lukegoI'm aiming to have the CI up and running for the tail-f driver early this week, FWIW, based on Jay's fine walkthrough.21:55
markmcclainlukego: great… thanks for letting me know21:56
mandeepmarkmcclain: Is the process for API review clearly documented somewhere?21:56
markmcclainmandeep: It has been an informal process up until now21:57
mandeepmarkmcclain: (that came up in FWaaS review, and Salvatore was needed to be pulled in last minute)21:57
markmcclainFor Juno, we will clarify and publish how that process should work21:57
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mandeepmarkmcclain: It would be helpful if that was clearly communicated on the wiki, it would help reduce some of that last minute frustraction21:58
markmcclainmandeep: I agree 100%21:58
SumitNaiksatamwe plan to have the "advance services common requirements" IRC meeting this week on Thursday 18.00 UTC (hope to discuss flavors among other things)21:58
mandeepmarkmcclain: Thanks!21:58
markmcclainthere are several items that the team has done informally over time that we need to publish to a wiki21:58
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pcm_SumitNaiksatam: I had some discussion on ML about vendor plugins for L3 services21:59
SumitNaiksatampcm_: sure we can add that to the agenda21:59
pcm_Didn't know if we want to discuss then, or if I should setup a separate IRC?21:59
SumitNaiksatampcm_: it was originally on the agenda as well22:00
SumitNaiksatamuntil we took a break from the meetings22:00
pcm_SumitNaiksatam: Sound good.22:00
SumitNaiksatampcm_: but of course if its a longer discussion you can schedule separate meetings22:00
pcm_SumitNaiksatam: we can see how it goes, and if more discussion is needed do a separate mtg.22:01
SumitNaiksatampcm_: in this meeting we want to get all the advanced services participants together at the least22:01
pcm_roger that22:01
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markmcclainok we're at time for this week. I really want to thank everyone for the long hours they put in last week to get code reviewed, revised, and reviewed again for Icehouse-322:02
markmcclainTalk to everyone on the ML and IRC. Have a good week.22:02
banixThank you!22:02
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rkukurathanks markmcclain!22:03
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mandeepmarkmcclain: Thanks.22:03
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