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shshanganybody here?13:02
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sc68calEveryone ready for the IPv6 subteam?13:58
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sc68cal#startmeeting neutron_ipv613:59
openstackMeeting started Tue Mar 11 13:59:45 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is sc68cal. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.13:59
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.13:59
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'neutron_ipv6'13:59
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sc68cal#info last week was the merge window for I-314:00
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sc68calxuhanp: hello14:00
sc68calThere is a process for getting features into Icehouse, after the merge window has closed14:01
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xuhanpdid we miss the chance to merge already?14:01
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sc68calxuhanp: Yes - but but we can lobby for a feature freeze exception14:02
sc68calmy concern though is that we're still undergoing code reviews14:02
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sc68caland we don't have anything in tempest to test everything we've written14:03
xuhanpsc68cal, I saw L3 HA making the request. I guess we should do the same?14:03
sc68calI think they're getting merged as an experimental feature14:03
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sc68calnot sure if we can have the same leeway14:04
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sc68calSo - I guess we can think on it for a bit while we go through the regular agenda14:06
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sc68cal#topic blueprints14:06
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sc68cal#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Neutron/IPv6 Ipv6 blueprint list14:07
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sc68calDo we have any new blueprints to discuss?14:07
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baolisc68cal, I added the prefix delegation BP14:08
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xuhanpbaoli, did you add just now? I didn't see that yet.14:08
sc68cal#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/ipv6-prefix-delegation PD blueprint14:08
baolia few days agao14:09
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xuhanpguess we need to add it to the wiki, then :-)14:09
sc68calI think it shows up in the search14:10
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sc68calfor the first link in the wiki that searches for bps w/ ipv6 in them14:10
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baolisc68cal, yes14:10
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baoliDo you want me to add it as a separate link?14:10
baoliin the wiki?14:11
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sc68calI think it's OK for now14:12
baolisc68cal, ok.14:12
sc68calwe may make a new wiki page under ipv6 for it so we can hash it out14:12
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sc68calonce we start figuring out how to implement it14:12
sc68calMy initial thought is that it'll be an API extension14:13
xuhanpsc68cal, shall we try to propose some summit sessions for the blueprints?14:13
xuhanpI heard that's open now.14:13
sc68calxuhanp: yes that would be good14:14
sc68calworst case they may get merged with http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/details/2114:14
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xuhanpwe don't need to wait for that to start the design and discussion, for sure14:14
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sc68calDo we have any other BPs to discuss??14:15
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baolisc68cal, I'll propose a ipv6 PD session14:16
sc68calbaoli: perfect14:16
xuhanpI haven't think about the details of the security group BP, yet.14:16
xuhanpI can propose one for security group14:17
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xuhanpseveral improvements to make14:17
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xuhanpdo we need a BP for privacy extension?14:18
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aveigaxuhanp: I'm not sure we can14:18
sc68calI think in the past we chose not to14:19
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aveigahow can you predict the PE address?14:19
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aveigaalso, they rotate14:19
aveigaI don't think that's feasible14:19
sc68calAnything else? or we'll continue on to bugs14:21
absubram__Hi Sean.. any update on the existing review for - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/52983/  The two new IPv6 attributes?. I see that it is marked as a WIP..14:21
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absubram__is it still going to make it into I?14:21
sc68calwe'll discuss that in a bit14:22
absubram__ok thanks!14:22
sc68cal#topic bugs14:22
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sc68cal#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bugs?field.tag=ipv6 Bugs tagged ipv614:23
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sc68calIf you have any existing bugs that do not have the ipv6 tag, please add it for tracking purposes14:23
sc68calbut I think we've got the majority tagged14:24
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shshangDo we need to mention them in our code review?14:24
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sc68calif your code review fixes them, and does not implement a blueprint14:25
sc68calAnything else, or we can move on to the code review topic14:26
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xuhanpFor your information, I created a new bug to fire RA rule when router is created or updated. As the follow up action from last time.14:26
xuhanp#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/129025214:26
xuhanpwill try to submit a patch soon14:27
sc68cal#topic code review14:28
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baolixuhanp, I saw your latest update on the RA rule bug. It looks better14:28
sc68calabsubram__: We're still working on reviewer comments on the ipv6 two attribute reviews14:28
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xuhanpbaoli, thanks. I think I followed our discussion. Please let me know if you still have comments.14:28
baoliOne general question. If a gateway with LLA is provided in the subnet, shall we allow the subnet to be added to a router?14:29
sc68calaveiga: Refresh my memory, we said that the enable_dhcp flag is meant to govern if the v6 attributes can be set or now?14:29
sc68cal*or not?14:29
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aveigawell, we didn't specify that14:29
absubram__sc68cal: ok.. I've been asked if the Horizon BP should be moved out to J14:29
aveigajust that is enable_dhcp was false we'd ignore flags14:29
sc68calaveiga: OK - because a recent comment from salvatore was about that14:30
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aveigaI don't know if we should force them to not be set at all, or just ignore them14:30
aveigathat one is tricky14:30
sc68calline 86314:31
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xuhanpaveiga, I think we should prompt error message since it confuses user.14:31
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aveigaxuhanp: I'm tempted to agree with you. But what about cases when the v6 attrs are set, then someone later sets enable_dhcp to false?14:32
sc68calI actually have a unit test for that14:32
sc68caland the validation blocks the update14:32
aveigain that case...14:32
aveigasure, throw a warning14:33
sc68calit actually throws an error currently14:33
sc68calif you want to switch enable_dhcp to false, you need to clear the v6 attributes14:33
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xuhanpstill prefer an error to force user to update the IPv6 attributes first before setting dhcp to false.14:33
absubram__sorry.. I didn't follow.. so the new IPv6 attributes can now be set only if enable_dhcp is set?14:33
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aveigaabsubram__: this was always the case14:34
absubram__I see14:34
aveigathe cores wanted the old enable_dhcp flag to still be there and be an override14:34
aveigafor backwards compat14:34
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shshangso we have to zero out all ipv6 attribute if user set "enable_dhcp" to False??14:35
xuhanpshshang, I think this was agreed when we started the two attributed design :-)14:36
shshangyes...I vaguely remember that discussion....I am not sure what value we expect user to unset the IPv6 attributes to....14:36
shshangYou know what I mean?14:36
xuhanpI guess just need to set to nothing14:37
aveigashshang: they would go back to being off14:37
aveigaif I remember correctly, "off" was really unset14:37
shshangYup...I remember we discusssed "off" mode too...14:37
xuhanpaveiga, yep14:37
absubram__ok.. will this check be done in neutron? Will you need me to add the check in Horizon too? By default I see that we set enable_dhcp in Horizon14:37
aveigaabsubram__: neutron will do this.  Horizon should just read the current attr for a network14:38
shshangI would like to point out one thing....we don't have "off" mode defined in the constant file.14:39
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sc68calyes - because we keep confusing "off" with ATTR_NOT_SPECIFIED14:40
shshangAnd in my opinion, we should have one, and it should be treated differently with NONE14:40
aveigashshang: why? It's not actually different14:40
shshangfor coding efficiency and testing efficieny14:40
sc68calactually it makes the code more complex14:40
sc68calnow I have to check for ATTR_NOT_SPECIFIED, as well as the string value "off"14:41
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sc68calI had to spend a couple hours on the validation for enable_dhcp and the attributes14:42
shshangCurrent way to validate the input cannot differentiate between off mode and invalid mode14:42
sc68calespecially with updating a subnet - the logic got a bit messy14:42
shshangwhat if user type in bogus value, such as "active"?14:42
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sc68calshshang: that would get denied at the API layer14:42
sc68calit's not a valid value from the constants14:42
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shshangoff mode, invalid mode, and nothing specified.14:43
sc68calthe validation of the correct modes, along with the enable_dhcp setting is at the DB layer, once all the attributes have been validated as proper14:43
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absubram__sc68cal: Additionally, I got my question about the update subnet answered in the mailer thanks.. but looks like there is an inherent issue in Horizon with subnet update that needs to be fixed first.. so Horizon doesn't support update just yet14:44
sc68calabsubram__: OK - that's fine14:44
shshangsc68cal, let us discuss this constant offline.14:45
sc68calshshang: agreed.14:45
sc68calwe can take it to the ML14:45
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shshangI also had a code review question needing your help. :)14:46
baoliA couple of questions related to this review14:46
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absubram__yes please.. please let me know if the values for the attributes change.. I had the same confusion with the "off"14:47
baoliin the port-create, the user can specify extra dhcp options14:47
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shshangabsubram__, we will keep everybody updated14:47
baoliWould that be blocked if it won't be used at all?14:47
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baolialso in the subnet-create api, user can specify dns nameserver14:49
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xuhanpbaoli, do you mean the --extra-dhcp-opt option for port create?14:50
baolixuhanp, yes14:50
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xuhanpI think it get passed to dnsmasq, but I am not sure about the validation14:52
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xuhanpI think the extra-dhcp-opt extension itself has some validation, right?14:52
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shshangWill --extra-dhcp-opt value be saved to dnsmasq opt files?14:53
baoliIt looks like that dnsmasq opts file is generated based on that14:53
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sc68calThere are unit tests that check all that14:53
sc68calProvided shshang's patch passes all unit tests14:53
sc68calwe are not breaking that14:53
xuhanpshshang, I think it does for IPv4. not if you processed them for IPv6 in your patch.14:54
shshangI did...the dnsmasq also load the opt file for IPv6 subnet14:54
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baoliIt appears with the ipv6 patch, whether or not the opt file should be added in the command line is based on the two modes?14:56
shshangbaoli, that is correct14:57
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shshangthe ipv6 subnet process that opt file, so as long as the values are dumped to opt file, ipv6 subnet should be aware of it.14:57
xuhanpdns-server is also passed to opt file.14:57
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shshangbut whether the opt is loaded to dnsmasq is determined by the modes combo14:58
xuhanpI think baoli means we should throw error when opt file is not needed?14:58
xuhanpI mean when extra dhcp opt is specified.14:58
xuhanpand opt file is not needed14:58
shshangoh, when user specify the extra dhcp opt, but actually opt file is not needed?14:59
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shshangthat is a good point...14:59
sc68callooks like we're going to have to move this to the ML14:59
sc68calwe're out of time14:59
baolixuhanp, shshang, the user should be aware in some cases that those info are not needed.14:59
shshangsend email to ML and let us continue14:59
sc68calSee everyone next week14:59
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xuhanpsee you14:59
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n0ano#startmeeting gantt15:00
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n0anoanyone here to talk about the scheduler?15:00
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PaulMurrayhi n0ano15:01
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n0anoI don't really have that much this week, we'll see what we come up with15:02
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n0anoboris-42, are you here?15:02
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n0anolooks like not much to say about the no-db scheduler this week15:03
n0ano#topic code forklift15:03
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n0anoI admit I haven't made much progress, I'm still working on splitting out the code (more as research) but not much progress this week15:04
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bauzasis johnthetubaguy here ?15:04
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* johnthetubaguy kinda half here15:04
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bauzasthere are 2 bps for forklifting15:05
johnthetubaguyah yes15:05
bauzasjohnthetubaguy: I made some comments within the 2nd bp, if you have some time to take a look, would be great15:05
johnthetubaguybauzas: I thought I commented on those, sorry missed the new ones!15:06
bauzasjohnthetubaguy: nah, no pb ;)15:06
johnthetubaguybauzas: want to chat about that now?15:06
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bauzasjohnthetubaguy: if you have some time, yes :)15:06
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bauzasjohnthetubaguy: as said, resource tracker is using _update() method for sending a call to the conductor15:07
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PaulMurraybauzas: resource_tracker is being updated to use objects15:08
PaulMurraybauzas: makes a different conductor call15:08
bauzasPaulMurray: could you please put it as dep for this bp ?15:08
johnthetubaguy1bauzas: sorry, lost connection there, but back15:08
bauzasjohnthetubaguy1: no pbn15:09
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bauzasPaulMurray: could you please give us the bp link for use of objects within the resource tracker ?15:09
bauzasPaulMurray: so I could put it as dependency for this one15:09
PaulMurraybauzas - just a sec...15:10
bauzasPaulMurray: sure15:10
bauzasPaulMurray: is it FFE ?15:10
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bauzasPaulMurray: ok, adding as dep for https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/scheduler-lib15:10
PaulMurraydauzas: didn't make it, but its part of a global move in nova15:10
PaulMurraysee also :15:11
bauzasPaulMurray: ok, will take a look on it15:11
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bauzasPaulMurray: I'm planning to provide some draft by end of Icehouse15:11
bauzasPaulMurray: so people could review it15:11
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PaulMurray... was trying to find the main obects bp15:12
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johnthetubaguy1bauzas: should be bug fixing time though, might be worth waiting till Juno15:12
PaulMurrayforgot what its called - something like nova-objects15:12
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bauzasjohnthetubaguy1: could you please add https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/make-resource-tracker-use-objects as dependency for https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/scheduler-lib ?15:13
n0anojohnthetubaguy1, +1 (probably not much activity on antyhing but bugs for a while)15:13
bauzasjohnthetubaguy1: yey, I truly understand15:13
bauzasjohnthetubaguy1: but as newcomer in Nova, taking FF as opportunity for me15:13
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johnthetubaguy1bauzas: lots of bugs too ;)15:13
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n0anojohnthetubaguy1, odd, I though nova code was perfect :-)15:14
johnthetubaguy1bauzas: updated that for you as a dep, although not totally sure if it is15:14
bauzasjohnthetubaguy1: ok thanks, will see if it is, yes15:14
bauzasjohnthetubaguy1: the thing is, if we say that resouce_tracker should use Gantt as lib for updating resource info, it should be dependent IMHO15:15
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bauzasjohnthetubaguy1: unless I misunderstood :)15:16
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johnthetubaguy1bauzas: objects or db are not the nova side of the lib, so not too worried15:17
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johnthetubaguy1bauzas: key part is finding the good api, which may be what the objects work comes up with too15:18
bauzasjohnthetubaguy1: here why I need to perfectly understand your thoughts :)15:18
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johnthetubaguy1bauzas: not sure understanding my thoughts always helps, buy hey15:20
digambarHi, as I understand here anybody is working on above blueprint or we have planned Gantt after the IceHouse ??15:20
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bauzasdigambar: this is the key thing15:20
bauzasdigambar: I'm planning to work on the said bp by end of Icehouse, but will only be a draft anyway15:20
bauzasdigambar: merges won't happen until Juno, as it's FF15:21
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bauzasn0ano: let's discuss btw about Gantt proposal for GSoC during #open topic15:21
n0anonote that changes to nova code can happen whenever the tree opens, splitting out to gantt will take a little longer15:21
digambarIs there anything I can contribute here ?15:21
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n0anodigambar, working on the BPs that we've mentioned here is always welcome15:22
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digambarThe above blueprint right ?15:23
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bauzasdigambar: atm, we're discussing about the interfaces for the above BP, that's it :)15:23
bauzasdigambar: please take a look at https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/icehouse-external-scheduler15:23
digambarThanks :)15:24
bauzasbottom of the document15:24
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bauzasI think I'm done with my part15:24
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n0anolet's move on then15:24
n0ano#topic icehouse BPs15:25
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n0anoDoes anyone have any BPs targetted for Icehouse that we need to lobby effort for?15:25
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n0anolooks like no, moving on15:26
n0anobauzas, GSoC?15:26
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bauzasI sent an email to -dev@15:26
bauzasabout GSoC proposals for Gantt15:26
n0anoI thought your email layed it out well, anything to add?15:26
bauzasI had no reply :)15:27
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bauzasso assuming it's either garbage or pure gold :)15:27
bauzaslemme check the GSoC page15:27
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bauzasto see if Gantt is still proposed15:27
n0anoI always assume silence mean people agree with me :-)15:27
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bauzasn0ano: sounds like it's not the case :)15:28
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bauzasbad link15:28
n0anoI don't know who's in charge of the GSoC but you might want to find out who that is and send a specific message to him15:29
bauzasddutta: you there ?15:29
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n0anolooks like it'll have to be via email15:30
bauzasn0ano: you're right, will directly send an email to the mentor15:30
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bauzasn0ano: I'm done15:31
n0anoyeah, it's a wiki so it's easy enough to just delete that proposal but I'd clear via email first.15:31
bauzasthat's wise indeed :)15:31
n0anoOK, any other opens for today?15:31
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n0anohearing silence, tnx everyone and we'll talk again next week.15:32
bauzasthanks :)15:32
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primeministerp#startmeeting hyper-v16:00
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primeministerpHi all16:00
primeministerpociuhandu: morning ;)16:00
primeministerpluis_fdez: luis!16:01
ociuhandumorning primeministerp :)16:01
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ociuhanduhi all16:01
primeministerpluis_fdez: glad you could join us16:01
luis_fdezIt's been a long time since last meeting yeps16:01
primeministerpociuhandu: give alex a kick16:01
alexpilottihi there16:02
primeministerpalexpilotti: howdy16:02
alexpilottisorry, was having a chat in -horizon about passwords16:02
primeministerpno worries16:02
primeministerpwe all have a lot going on16:02
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primeministerpfigured we could sync on current status16:03
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primeministerp#topic status update16:03
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primeministerpalexpilotti: I know there were new commits16:03
alexpilottiso, everything looks bright16:04
primeministerpalexpilotti: you want to give the quick run down?16:04
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alexpilottiRDP merged in nova, python-novaclient and horizon16:04
primeministerpthat's a big one16:04
alexpilottihyper-v security groups merged in neutron16:04
primeministerpalso good news, we've got people wanting that16:05
alexpilottinova get-password feature merged in horizon (thanks arezmerita)16:05
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alexpilottibug fixes are merged or in teh process16:06
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alexpilottiso things are looking well16:06
alexpilottiquestions on the status?16:06
primeministerpwe can almost start thinking about atlanta16:07
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alexpilottiluis_fdez? :-)16:07
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luis_fdezno questions alexpilotti, all the new features sound fantastic16:07
primeministerpluis_fdez: i've got a thread going w/ Tim16:07
primeministerpluis_fdez: re: cinder/smb316:07
alexpilotticool, I know that you guys are interested in backporting to Havana, let me know if you need help16:08
luis_fdezok alexpilotti, I'll use your help for sure :D16:08
alexpilottiprimeministerp: should we briefly talk about what we plan to add for Juno?16:08
luis_fdezprimeministerp: smb3 is an option we want to explore yes16:08
primeministerpyes we can start16:08
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primeministerp#topic juno ideas16:08
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alexpilottithe idea is to have others in the community to chime in as well, if they'd like some features that we didn't think of, or we didn't want to prioritize yet16:09
alexpilotti1) smb316:09
primeministerpsmb3/cinder work is on the table16:09
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alexpilottidevelopment is basically done16:09
alexpilottiit's a big set of patches16:09
alexpilottiinvolving mostly nova and cinder16:10
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alexpilottithe important part, is that it'll involve libvirt support as well, not only hyper-v16:10
luis_fdezsmb3 suport on kvm?16:10
primeministerpalexpilotti: yes we should not exclude linux functionality here16:10
primeministerpluis_fdez: yes16:10
luis_fdezthat's a good point16:11
alexpilottiluis_fdez: the idea is that this is going to be a cinder driver16:11
primeministerpluis_fdez: both sides can consume it16:11
alexpilottiand as such it'll need to be consumed by as many hypervisors as possible16:11
alexpilottithink about an horizontal support, like what happens for ceph16:11
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alexpilottiluis_fdez: we can start beta testing it almost right away16:12
alexpilottiit'll take at least one release cycle to get all the parts reviewed etc16:12
luis_fdezalexpilotti: perfect, I imagine a lot of refactoring/review involved16:13
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primeministerpalexpilotti: plus we'll want to include it in the regular CI runs by then as well16:13
primeministerpalexpilotti: all thing equal16:13
alexpilottiif you guys want to run some tests, it'd be great. As we could provide the community with a third party point of view on the benefits16:13
primeministerper things16:13
alexpilottiprimeministerp: sure!16:14
alexpilottiany questions on the SMB3 part?16:14
primeministerpnot really16:14
primeministerpfrom my end16:14
luis_fdeznop :)16:14
alexpilottiok, next is windows passwordless authentication16:15
alexpilottiwe did a lot of work to get x509 passwordless certification working in cloudbase-init and pywinrm16:15
alexpilottiit's the rough equivalent of ssh keypairs16:15
alexpilottibut native in the WIndows OS16:16
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alexpilottiwe're going to propose a BP for certificates16:16
alexpilottiin Nova16:16
alexpilottiand Horizon16:16
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alexpilottiso teh use can choose a certificate and it gets provided via metadata to the instance16:17
alexpilotti*the user16:17
alexpilottinova boot --x509 myvert1 vm116:18
alexpilottiand the you can just use powershell to access the VM16:18
alexpilottino password involved, finally16:18
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alexpilottithis is mandatory for proper automation, security, etc16:18
primeministerpalexpilotti: that's great news16:18
alexpilottisame use cases as the SSH pubkey auth in Linux16:19
luis_fdezalexpilotti: yeps, it's a must have16:19
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alexpilottiit's already working, by passwing the certificate in userdata or cutome metadata: #link http://www.cloudbase.it/windows-without-passwords-in-openstack/16:19
alexpilottibut we really need a consistent API model in Nova to handle teh certificate generation and storage16:20
primeministerpisn't ayoung working on that16:21
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ayoungprimeministerp, sort of16:21
primeministerpayoung: ahh16:21
alexpilottiayoung: hi there!16:22
ayoungalexpilotti, ++ I was discussing something along those lines earlier16:22
primeministerpayoung: we need to have lunch soon16:22
alexpilottiayoung: cool16:22
ayounghow do we autoregister a host with a domain controller.  I assume that is what you are discussing?16:22
alexpilottiayoung: no, passwordless authentication in WIndows16:22
primeministerpayoung: that would be part of your config mgmt right now16:22
alexpilottiayoung: a la SSH pubkey16:22
primeministerpayoung: what alexpilotti says16:22
ayoungso...let me subvert this discussion\16:23
alexpilottiayoung: guest DC registration is a separate painpoint at the moment :-)16:23
ayoungwe were discussing the same thing, but within the context of FreeIPA16:23
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ayoungI assume that a new windows vm, should be able to enroll with a PDC, no?16:23
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ayoungno "have to" but "should be able to"16:24
ayoungand the pattern would be something like16:24
alexpilottiayoung: optionally16:24
ayoungnova generates an OTP, passes it to the PDC as well as to the new vm via Vendoer data16:24
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alexpilottiayoung: the feature we are discussing is the equivalent of SSH pubkey auth16:24
primeministerpayoung: stop peddling the bike  ;)16:24
alexpilottiayoung: #link http://www.cloudbase.it/windows-without-passwords-in-openstack/16:24
alexpilottiayoung: said that, we are also VERY interested in your work16:25
ayoungalexpilotti, so Windows also has this whole Kerberos infrastructure, as well as a CA etc16:25
alexpilottiayoung: as we are using crazy Heat templates at the moment to handle AD DC registration16:25
ayoungand I think that a single mechanism supporting PDC registration for Windows and FreeIPA for Linux would be a powerful abstraction, and get you a good extension to that blueprint16:26
alexpilottiayoung: sure, but I wouldn't mix the two scenarios16:26
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ayoungyeah, but that means that an user registering a VM via Horizon or Nova can bypass16:26
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ayoungso...key injection is currently done in the LInux use case, so you need to handle the analogue in that blueprint16:26
ayoungnot arguing against that16:26
alexpilottiayoung: sure, that's just the vry basic scenario16:27
ayoungbut I think you have it under control, and I like the fact that you are using X509s instead of raw keys16:27
ayoungright now, however, horizon doesn't let me say "create a vm, and let me inject alexpilotti 's key into it"16:27
ayoungI can only add my own key16:27
ayoungand that sux16:27
alexpilottiayoung: sure16:27
ayoungalexpilotti, for certificates to be done right, the secret key should never leave the remote machine16:28
ayoungit should generate the CSR and post to a CA16:28
ayoungand there is the rub16:28
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alexpilottiayoung: it never does16:28
alexpilottiayoung: we inject only a self signed x509 (w/o key)16:28
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alexpilottiayoung: in teh same way in which you inject the pubkey in SSH case16:29
ayoungah, but for logging into a machine, you don't have a problem.  You only have a problem when the machine needs to call out...which is what HEAT is facing16:29
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alexpilottiayoung: sure, that's why I'm saying that there are 2 completely different use cases :-)16:29
ayoungcertmonger can help, in that it allows you a mechanism for posting the CSR, but you still need an approval strategy16:29
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ayoungalexpilotti, but related....you want single sign on16:29
alexpilottiayoung: not everytime16:30
ayoungalexpilotti, I thin the x509 case you ahve well covered16:30
ayoungbut I think quickly you are going to run into this issue16:30
ayoungantyway, I'll leave you guys to discuss16:30
ayounglook into certmonger16:30
alexpilottiayoung: a user can just say: I just want a VM, no complex Heat stuf, just let me log in w/o having to handle passwords16:30
ayoungalexpilotti, that is the easy sider16:31
primeministerpayoung: #link https://fedorahosted.org/certmonger/ thx!16:31
ayoungthe hard side is getting the X509 signed.16:31
alexpilottiayoung: certmonger has the potential to solve all the other cases16:31
alexpilottiayoung: not for the basica auth case we are facing here16:31
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alexpilottiayoung: self signed is way enough16:31
alexpilottiayoung: and one detail:16:32
ayoungalexpilotti, it is part of the solution, but you still need to figure out the approval process.16:32
ayoungalexpilotti, ugh16:32
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ayoungselfsigned is....not something you want in production16:32
alexpilottiayoung: like teh SSH case16:32
ayoungyeah...same argument16:32
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alexpilottiayoung: you generate your own key, it never leaves your client, etc etc16:33
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ayoungalexpilotti, right...and there is no revocation16:33
ayoungand no expiration16:33
ayoungat least selfsigned will have expiration16:33
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primeministerpi want to second that16:33
alexpilottiayoung: yep, but again I would'nt mix the various cases16:34
primeministerphis lunch part16:34
primeministerpalexpilotti: let's finish this up, and you guys can continue the discussion16:34
alexpilottiayoung-lunch: you mean dinner, here? :-)16:34
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alexpilottiso, let's join the certmonger effort16:35
alexpilottiand help on teh AD bits16:35
primeministerpalexpilotti: sounds like a plan, let's discuss more later and see what we can do16:35
primeministerpI want to touch on the puppet modules for a moment16:36
primeministerpluis_fdez: we're going to be starting cleanup work16:36
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luis_fdezprimeministerp: ok great :)16:36
primeministerpluis_fdez: in order to get things ready for puppetforge16:36
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primeministerpluis_fdez: so I'll be looking into your bits16:36
primeministerpluis_fdez: sorry for the delay16:36
luis_fdezOk, I have to push local changes for the refactoring of:16:36
primeministerpluis_fdez: great16:36
luis_fdezI also have some work done in16:36
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primeministerpluis_fdez: let's align over the next week or so16:37
luis_fdezI'm trying to align with the main stackforge modules structure16:37
primeministerpluis_fdez: great16:37
primeministerpluis_fdez: let's keep that going, i want to get to the point where we could potentially merge into existing modules if possible16:37
primeministerpluis_fdez: knowing that will take some time16:37
luis_fdezok, perfect16:38
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primeministerpluis_fdez: It may be another week before I get to get my hands more into the code16:38
luis_fdezno problem16:38
digambarHello Guys, I am also working on HyperV for openstack as a compute node, I'd like to contribute on this effort16:38
primeministerpluis_fdez: still trying to get back into things after two weeks at the mothership16:38
primeministerpdigambar: hey there16:38
primeministerpdigambar: have you seen the existing bits16:38
primeministerpdigambar: https://github.com/openstack-hyper-v/puppet-openstack_hyper_v16:39
digambarjust joined here16:39
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primeministerpdigambar: o great16:39
alexpilottidigambar: cool, welcome onboard!16:39
digambarThank you guys :)16:39
primeministerpdigambar: what time zone are you in?16:39
primeministerpdigambar: we can have a call/skype and I can catch up16:39
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digambarwe can16:40
primeministerpcan you email me ppouliot@microsoft.com16:40
primeministerpdigambar: ^^ and I'll work on scheduling something16:40
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primeministerpdigambar: for later this week16:40
digambaryep, I'll mail you on this16:40
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primeministerpdigambar: perfect16:40
alexpilottidigambar: the main channel for the project is #openstack-hyper-v16:41
primeministerpluis_fdez: let's touch base later in the week too to see where we each stand16:41
luis_fdezok primeministerp16:41
primeministerpluis_fdez: I need to catch up w/ vijay and tim and see what they want to take on16:41
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primeministerpluis_fdez: anything else to add?16:41
digambarSure, I'll be available from today on this node16:42
primeministerpdigambar: great16:42
luis_fdezI'm also thinking about have some kind of 'meta python module' like other linux distribution have like 'openstack-nova-common'16:42
primeministerpluis_fdez: we sort of started one16:42
primeministerpluis_fdez: w/ our python module16:42
luis_fdezit's the easiest aproach to align with stackforge modules but not sure if it's the best option.16:42
primeministerpluis_fdez: we're prob going to have to do it16:43
primeministerpluis_fdez: considering the different options for getting the python bits16:43
primeministerpluis_fdez: esp w/ what we're doing w/ the autocompilation16:43
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primeministerpok then, if there's nothing else16:44
primeministerpi think we'll end it here16:44
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luis_fdezok, have a nice day all of you :)16:44
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alexpilottisee you!16:45
ociuhandubye all16:45
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ayoungKeystone meeting in an hour17:01
boris-42#startmeeting Rally17:01
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hughsaundershi boris-4217:01
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boris-42hughsaunders msdubov ping17:01
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msdubovboris-42 hi17:01
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* afazekas o/17:03
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boris-42I think we could start17:04
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boris-42thanks msdubov for latest weekly update https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Rally/Updates#March_10.2C_201417:05
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boris-42#topic benchmark context17:05
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boris-42Ok it's new thing in Rally17:06
marcoemoraismsdubov: thank you!17:06
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hughsaundersmsdubov: yep, great summary17:06
boris-42So we restructured code17:07
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boris-42to add support of context objects17:07
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boris-42we first of move all related code to creation users and generic cleanup17:08
boris-42in separated classes that are used with "with statement"17:09
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boris-42then we build base class for context and introduce context object that is shared between all context classes17:09
boris-42Now hughsaunders is working to pass this context to benchmark engine17:09
boris-42becnahmark sceanrio**17:10
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boris-42today we discussed with hughsaunders  this stuff17:10
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hughsaundersa copy of the context object minus the users key (See scrollback in #rally)17:10
boris-42hughsaunders yep yep17:10
boris-42msdubov marcoemorais and others are agree with this?17:11
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boris-42are you agree*17:11
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msdubovYep, the code stays readable, I think17:12
boris-42so let's move17:13
boris-42next thing is17:13
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boris-42new task config and validation17:13
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boris-42I am going to make one patch that will move validation from benchmark.engine to corresponding scenario.base, runner.base and context.base stuff17:13
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boris-42as well I will change config in the same change ^ cause it makes this part simpler17:14
boris-42So we will be able to add new benhcmarks.runner without any changes in benchmark.engien17:14
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boris-42marcoemorais msdubov hughsaunders  ^ btw we will need to standardize output of runner17:15
hughsaundersboris-42: will the config change be to use the new args/runner/context keys?17:15
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boris-42hughsaunders yep17:15
boris-42hughsaunders so we will pass context content to context.base validation , runner to runner.base and args to scenario.base17:16
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hughsaundersmakes sense17:17
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msdubovboris-4w What about runner output standartization?17:18
msdubovWhat do you mean by this?17:18
boris-42msdubov we should have some class ScenarioRunnerResult17:18
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boris-42msdubov that should be returned as a result of runner.run call17:18
msdubovboris-42 Why not make it through a dictionary?17:19
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boris-42msdubov it could be17:19
boris-42msdubov but dict + validation17:19
marcoemoraisboris-42: some keys in that should be required, like 'error'17:19
boris-42marcoemorais yep17:20
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boris-42marcoemorais so I think it should be a subclass of dict17:20
msdubovboris-42 Actually the results won't be too complicated to put them into a class, so I'd prefer the dict+validation combination17:20
boris-42msdubov  marcoemorais that has schema validation17:20
hughsaundersinteresting, a self validating dict?17:20
boris-42hughsaunders yep17:20
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boris-42hughsaunders short and powerful solution for standartization17:21
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msdubovboris-42 I wonder is there any examples of using such dictionary subclasses?17:22
msdubovSeems like a nice idea17:22
boris-42msdubov IDK =)17:22
boris-42so okay we could add this to our document with benchmark engine stuff17:22
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boris-42Okay and last step in context stuff17:23
boris-42in ContextManager17:24
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boris-42that will understand what we have in context {} part and what context are required by benchmark17:24
boris-42and then run all this stuff17:24
boris-42and then run benchmark17:25
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boris-42so I think it's clear hughsaunders msdubov marcoemorais ?17:25
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msdubovboris-42 Yes17:25
hughsaundersboris-42: I did wonder whether each scenario should specify which context it requires17:26
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hughsaundersmaybe that is part of context config validation17:26
boris-42hughsaunders yep it will be17:26
boris-42hughsaunders so i mean you have benchmark like boot_runcommand17:27
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boris-42hughsaunders so it will have @context("security_group") and @context("key_pairs")17:27
msdubovboris-42 And a couple of contexts "by default"?17:27
boris-42hughsaunders this will be analyzed during validation (e.g. does input context works)17:27
boris-42msdubov yep by default we have full cleanup context & user context17:28
hughsaundersah good, like the current validators for image and flavor17:28
boris-42hughsaunders yep17:28
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boris-42hughsaunders so you may specify in benchmark that it requires specific context, but it don't block you to add any other in context config17:28
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boris-42so let's move to next topic17:31
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boris-42#topic Benchmark engine optimization17:31
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boris-42marcoemorais could you share with current state of removing create_openstack_clients() ?17:31
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rediskincan we run all this stuff in separate threads, not processes?17:32
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marcoemoraisboris-42: all but 1 unit test are passing17:32
marcoemoraisboris-42: I still need to handle the ssh key pair17:33
marcoemoraisboris-42: previously that was part of the osclients, but I don't think that is necessary any more17:33
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hughsaundersmarcoemorais: I have a patch in review that adds context for that17:33
hughsaundersso can be removed from osclients17:33
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boris-42marcoemorais yep I said before17:34
boris-42marcoemorais that you should just remove ssh-keypair17:34
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boris-42marcoemorais it shouldn't be there and after hughsaunders it won't be there at all17:34
boris-42hughsaunders share link pls17:34
marcoemoraishughsaunders: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/78966/17:34
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hughsaunderslooks like I have some comments to address :)17:35
boris-42hughsaunders not my=)17:35
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boris-42marcoemorais so if you remove ssh-keypair from create_openstack clients you will resolve all issues?17:36
boris-42marcoemorais with unit tests17:36
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marcoemoraisboris-42: actually unit tests don't cover the ssh key pair (the one test that is failing is booting without nic, I think logic in test is faulty)17:37
marcoemoraisboris-42: key pair failure will happen at run time17:38
boris-42marcoemorais oh that tests are all bad =(17:38
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boris-42marcoemorais we are going to have week of refactoring unit tests17:38
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boris-42marcoemorais after we finish all big refactorings17:38
kun_huang+1 (sorry for late)17:38
boris-42kun_huang np17:38
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boris-42so okay17:38
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msdubovboris-42 Btw can we discuss a bit what will be our guideline for UT refactoring?17:39
msdubovDoes anybody know a good guideline for that?17:39
boris-42after "optimization topic"17:39
msdubovOr shall we compose our own?17:39
boris-42marcoemorais ^17:39
boris-42msdubov ^17:39
boris-42marcoemorais sorry*17:39
boris-42"Generic cleanup works forever"17:39
boris-42We should add as well some kind of cleanup decorator that will accept list of affected projects17:40
boris-42@cleanup("nova", "cinder")17:40
marcoemoraisboris-42: you mean like general purpose cleanup beyond what is already present in the Context?17:40
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boris-42marcoemorais I mean this https://github.com/stackforge/rally/blob/master/rally/benchmark/context/cleaner.py17:41
boris-42marcoemorais works forever if you have 10k users17:41
boris-42marcoemorais in keystone benchmark17:41
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boris-42marcoemorais and actually you don't need to cleanup nova and cinder if you are benchmarking keystone17:42
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boris-42marcoemorais so we should be able to specify in benchmark what cleanup to use17:42
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marcoemoraisboris-42: is the issue that you deleting resources 1-by-1?17:42
boris-42marcoemorais no issue is that you are deleting for every user17:43
boris-42marcoemorais I mean if you have 10k users17:43
boris-42marcoemorais you will make > 100k request to list resources in different services17:43
boris-42marcoemorais 100k requests  even if you are able to handle 10 req/sec it will work 10k seconds ~2.5hrs17:44
boris-42marcoemorais so you will wait 2.5hrs for nothing..17:45
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boris-42marcoemorais more services and more users => more time to wait17:45
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boris-42marcoemorais so we should be able to specify what services are affected by benchmark17:46
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boris-42marcoemorais and cleanup only them17:46
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hughsaundersboris-42: it would also be useful to be able to list resources across users/tenants so we could get a single list rather than requesting per user17:47
hughsaundersnot sure if thats possible though17:47
marcoemoraisboris-42 hughsaunders: so we need to look for openstack batch api17:47
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boris-42marcoemorais actually no17:47
boris-42marcoemorais we know what resources are tenant based, what are user based17:47
boris-42marcoemorais and in generic clenauper method that delete these resources we can chose what to do17:48
boris-42marcoemorais delete one time per tenant or for every user17:48
marcoemoraisboris-42: to make sure I understand: you propose to delete resources by tenant instead of by user?17:48
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boris-42marcoemorais nope17:48
boris-42marcoemorais if resources are common for users ( 1 pre tenant)17:49
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boris-42marcoemorais then list() and delete() them only one time17:49
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boris-42marcoemorais now we are doing this operation for every users17:49
boris-42marcoemorais so I mean every user will list() but only one will actually delete()17:50
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boris-42marcoemorais in case when users have own resource (e.g. VMs)17:50
boris-42marcoemorais then we will still make list() / delete() for every user17:50
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marcoemoraisboris-42: we could compile a set of resources, then iterate and delete from set instead of from user, but I still think you need to do some batching17:51
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boris-42marcoemorais 1) there is no batch delete in openstack API17:52
boris-422) it's okay to delete from users user resource17:52
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boris-42I think hughsaunders proposal + clean only service that you use will resolve all issues17:52
boris-42at least most17:53
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hughsaundersboris-42: we could store/generate expected resource names, then delete() only?17:54
marcoemoraisboris-42 hughsaunders: what about host aggregates?17:54
hughsaundersmarcoemorais: ?17:54
kun_huangmarcoemorais that is a concept only for nova?17:54
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boris-42hughsaunders it will actually requires changes in benchmark framework17:56
boris-42hughsaunders for scenarios17:56
marcoemoraisI was thinking that host aggregates could let you manage the entire hostgroup http://api.openstack.org/api-ref-compute-ext.html#ext-os-aggregates17:57
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hughsaundersmarcoemorais: thats for managing nodes rather than instances though?17:58
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boris-42hughsaunders marcoemorais  so we have to finish todays meeting17:58
marcoemoraishughsaunders: got it for hypervisor, not guest17:58
boris-42So any new ideas IRC chat or that document17:59
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hughsaundersended ontime, dolphm will be happy :)17:59
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dolphmayoung, bknudson, dstanek, jamielennox, morganfainberg, stevemar, gyee, henrynash, topol, marekd, lbragstad, joesavak, shardy, fabiog, fmarco76: ping!18:00
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henrynashgood afternoon18:00
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dolphmi feel like that list got shorter ^18:00
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dolphm#startmeeting keystone18:01
openstackMeeting started Tue Mar 11 18:01:30 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is dolphm. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.18:01
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bknudsondolphm: hi18:01
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dolphm#topic Feature freeze18:01
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bknudsonand string freeze18:02
dolphmso, overview of how feature freeze works for those that are new or just haven't been impacted in the past...18:02
dolphmbknudson: ++ and string freeze!18:02
marekdwhat's that string freeze?18:02
dolphmfeature-y changes (especially those tracked against blueprints or wishlist bugs) get -2'd until the master branch is re-opened for juno development18:02
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dolphmand the master branch stays frozen until the list of release-blocking bugs is fully Fix Committed: https://launchpad.net/keystone/+milestone/icehouse-rc118:03
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ayoungSo everyone swtich from Server work to client work18:03
dolphmstring freeze: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/StringFreeze18:03
marekddolphm: thanks.18:04
dstanekno freeze on the client code?18:04
dolphmayoung: ideally, everyone is focused on fixing bugs in the service so we have a stable release18:04
dolphmstring freeze basically gives the translation folks some time to catch up with string translations as they will appear in a stable/* release18:04
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marekddolphm: OK18:05
dolphm#topic Review blocked feature-y changes18:05
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dolphmso there are inevitably bug fixes that appear feature-y for whatever reason18:06
dolphmi have two on the agenda i wanted to review18:06
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ayoungif it says LDAP in the review, it is almost certainly a Bug fix.  If you see one with out a bugID, -2 it with "file a bug"18:07
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dolphmif we deem these changes to be incredibly safe, and we have a generally overwhelming desire to land them in icehouse, we can do so18:07
dolphmfirst up...18:07
dolphm#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/76568/18:07
stevemardstanek, afaik you can play with client all you want, but try to fix server side bugs18:07
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dolphmthis one is implementing previously NotImplemented methods in the assignment ldap driver18:08
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bknudsonthe unimplemented methods in the ldap backend are scary to me.18:08
dolphmactually i think that's a lie -- but it's introducing substantial functionality to the ldap assignment driver18:08
dolphmthis one doesn't look safe to me at first glance, but i wanted to raise it here in case anyone wanted to strongly advocate for it18:09
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bknudsonI'd think https://review.openstack.org/#/c/76568/2/keystone/tests/test_backend_ldap.py would remove a bunch of skipped tests.18:09
dolphmi definitely haven't done a thorough review so i can't speak to it18:09
gyee"_get_global_roles_for_group", nice :)18:10
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gyeeI did't know global roles are supported18:10
ayoungAny LDAP review that does not list me as a reviewer will get -2ed out of sheer spite18:10
gyeethat, or the method name is misleading18:10
ayoungNah, old stuff, needs top go away18:10
henrynashso I was Ok with this patch when it was just adding in group roles….the "global roles" bit confuses me18:10
ayoungLDAP needs domain scoping. Juno18:11
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dolphmhenrynash: ++ i inquired in one of the bugs about the precedence it claims to be following -- i haven't gotten a response yet18:11
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dolphmdoesn't sound like anyone is immediately comfortable with this one, so let's continue to hold it until juno18:12
dolphm#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/78521/18:12
dolphmthis one introduced a new config option, but it's a clean simple patch otherwise18:12
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ayoungthat one is a new config option18:12
dolphmif it lands, it should land ASAP (ideally last week)18:12
bknudsondolphm: I think https://review.openstack.org/#/c/78521/ would be safe.18:12
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dolphmbknudson: ++18:13
bknudsonand also pretty desirable.18:13
dolphmi'd like to advocate for this one on the basis that i'm aware of several deployments carrying custom patches to solve this problem :(18:13
ayoungI can drop the -2 if you are all comfortable18:13
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ayoungshould we /vote?18:14
henrynashI'm for it18:14
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dolphmayoung: ideally hold your -2 until there's overwhelming +2's on the review18:14
dolphmayoung: your -2 is completely appropriate given the config impact18:15
bknudsonhopefully the submitter will update it..18:15
ayoungdolphm, lets use the vote option!18:15
bknudson(or if others agree with my suggestions I could make the updates)18:15
dolphmayoung: gerrit already has voting, and that's where it counts18:15
dolphmbknudson: would you update it for them?18:15
dolphmbknudson: ++18:15
dolphmbknudson: so if it's not None, then set the config option in python-ldap?18:16
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bknudsondolphm: right18:16
dolphmbknudson: in other words, no one is impacted by this change at all, which is perfect18:16
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lbragstadcjellick_: is the owner18:16
dolphmlbragstad: awesome18:17
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dolphmcjellick_: if you're around, can you work with bknudson to make the above change? or he'll make it for you so we can land https://review.openstack.org/#/c/78521/ ASAP :)18:17
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stevemarit doesn't look too bad, at first glance18:18
dolphmare there any other blocked reviews that anyone wants to consider? (that's the end of my list on the agenda)18:18
dolphmif not, we'll just do open discussion until our time is up18:18
dolphmdstanek: IIRC, you called me out on something i blocked last week?18:19
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dstanekdolphm: did i?18:19
gyeedolphm, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/76476/18:19
dstanekdon't recall18:19
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dolphmdstanek: you asked why i blocked something, and my answer was that i didn't think about it too hard18:19
ayoungdolphm, I'd consider gyee 's review there a bugfix18:20
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gyeeec2 middleware should really be in keystoneclient18:20
ayoungsame rules as the LDAP one:  would not affect anyone18:20
jamielennoxgyee's i would be ok with18:20
dolphmgyee: that's a good one18:20
jamielennoxmine i kind of think should be -218:20
dstanekdolphm: that's possible; i doubt it was anything i cared about; more likely that i'm trying to see the boundries of the process18:20
ayoungwelll...actually, no.  That one will break18:21
dolphmgyee: ec2 runs on keystone, so i don't think that's true18:21
gyeedolphm, but that's middleware18:21
dolphmdstanek: ack18:21
dolphmgyee: middleware that runs on top of keystone, yes18:21
gyeedolphm, I don't think that one runs on top of keystone18:21
dolphmgyee: oh i think you're right18:21
bknudsonwould be nice if there were some unit tests covering ec2_token.18:22
dolphmgyee: i wasn't looking at the file18:22
ayounggyee, only should be moved to keystoneclient if other services are going to pull that middleware in, too18:22
bknudsonlooks like ec2_token doesn't use identity_api or anything?18:22
dolphmbknudson: correct, it's like auth_token18:23
gyeeayoung, not sure, I am getting conflicting messages about ec2 support in general18:23
ayounggyee, how about submitting a client review18:23
bknudsonso moving to keystoneclient makes sense to me18:23
ayoungyou could easily put https://review.openstack.org/#/c/76476/6/keystone/middleware/ec2_token.py  into the client18:23
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ayoungquestion is whether other services besides keystone are going to use it18:23
gyeeat one point I was told OpenStack no longer supports s3 and ec218:23
gyeebut others continue to use them18:24
ayoungI know Heat would love it if everyone did18:24
bknudsonthe change in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/76476/6/keystone/middleware/ec2_token.py looks pretty straightforward to me18:24
bknudsonand it improves security18:24
gyees3 has to be used in conjunction with the s3 emulator, which no longer part of Swift18:24
ayoungbknudson, and will break existing deployments because of that18:24
ayoungwe need to make the defaults the insecure ones for Icehouse18:24
jamielennoxi'm happy with that change to go  into icehouse18:24
ayoungand crank it to secure for Juno18:24
bknudsonayoung: I'm good with that plan.18:25
ayounggyee, no good deed goes unpunished18:25
jamielennoxayoung: we haven't done that for other things, when doing certs in auth_token we just did it18:25
jamielennoxthis will have far less impact than that18:25
ayoungjamielennox, yeah, but not during feature freeze18:25
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ayoungall the puppetization etc need to catch up with it18:26
gyeeayoung, we can't pull the rug under ppl during feature freeze?!!! :)18:26
bknudsonthere's no feature freeze for auth_token since it's in the client.18:26
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ayounggyee, do you agree?  We let the change in but with the defaults such that an existing config would work, and then switch the defaults in juno?18:27
gyeeayoung, no argument here18:27
bknudsoncan we get someone to validate that the defaults work?18:27
bknudsonsorry, that an existing config will work?18:27
dolphmthe way 'verify' is determined in that patch is really confusing18:27
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dolphmit has a default in two places, and then it gets overridden...18:28
bknudsonI'm worried because there are no tests.18:28
jamielennoxdolphm: that's kind of how the verify works, either it's true/false or it's the CA certs18:28
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jamielennoxbknudson: ++ - i've no idea how to test it either18:29
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jamielennox(what's correct to test)18:29
dolphmbknudson: seems like the defaults would be breaking18:32
dolphmbknudson: for better or worse... keystone_ec2_insecure defaults to False (contrary to the existing behavior), so requests attempts verification against system CA without a cert/key ?18:32
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bknudsondolphm: it's not looking at the _url anymore to see if using ssl18:33
gyeedolphm, yes, it will look for the system CA certs18:33
jamielennoxyes, we would want to set insecure=True to be compatible with current options18:33
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dolphmjamielennox: i'm not opposed to breaking deployments in the name of better security though...18:34
bknudsonor is SSL/not SSL handled by requests.post?18:34
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dolphmjamielennox: as long as it's a matter of setting _insecure = True to opt back into the old behavior18:34
gyeebknudson, yes, it it handled by requests18:34
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gyeelooking at the URL is not very reliable18:34
gyeeas start-TLS, for example, starts with http18:34
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gyeethen switch over to TLS18:35
jamielennoxlooking at the URL in the original doesn't do anything i think, it's just whether to use the http or https handler18:35
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jamielennoxi don't *think* there is any actual extra security imposed by the HTTPSConnection18:35
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bknudsonthe verify=verify and cert=cert parameters are ignored if the url is http (and not https)?18:35
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gyeethat's would be unawesome18:36
ayoungmarekd, bring it up here once the current conversation is done18:36
dolphmwhy is this a Partial-Bug?18:37
gyeehttps tunnel via http proxy won't work18:37
bknudsondolphm: I think because it affects multiple projects.18:37
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jamielennoxbknudson: yes they should be18:38
ayoungso marekd has an issue with SAML.  Can it be brought up here?18:39
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stevemarayoung, i think so, not much has happened in a few minutes18:39
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ayoung https://review.openstack.org/7928418:39
jamielennoxdolphm: is https://review.openstack.org/#/c/78068/ not -2ed because we want it to land in icehouse?18:39
bknudsondolphm: since the arguments are ignored with http:// I think the behavior will not change.18:39
ayoungI think this is a mistake, but don't want to break things for others18:40
ayoungthe SAML approach assumes that all of the identity Data is external to keystone18:40
ayounglooking for groups in Keystone makes no sense to me18:40
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bknudsonwhat's the reasoning that the group has to exist?18:40
bknudsonto catch invalid config?18:41
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dstanekayoung: i thought the whole idea was to map SAML stuff into Keystone groups18:41
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ayoungmarekd, what is your assumption:  that users will be defined in SAML but groups will be in Keystone?18:41
dolphmbknudson: yes18:41
jamielennoxbknudson: the default will change because it will default to verify=True for https connections and so will do CA verification18:41
ayoungdstanek, but I don't think that makes sense18:41
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ayoungdstanek, groups are per domain18:41
dolphmayoung: you're getting ahead of the current approach18:41
marekdayoung: yes, groups should be configured/created prior to federation configuration...18:41
marekdayoung: and not regular users...ephemeral-like users.18:42
dolphmjamielennox: what if you do http:// + verify=True ?18:42
jamielennoxdolphm: no change18:42
jamielennoxdolphm: it should be ignored18:42
dolphmjamielennox: cool18:43
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ayoungmarekd, and "ephemeral users" is a mistake....ugh.  Not sure we want to reinforce this.  I'm afraid we'll be stuck with something broken we have to live with.  But I guess the existing SAML approach is already there.18:43
marekdayoung: it in the master.18:44
ayoungBut yeah...and I was sorely tempted to -2 it for this very reason.  But I am not he-who-should-not-be-named-in-irc18:44
marekdayoung: i said ephemeral-like users...something, a set of roles that can access some domains/projects as long as the token is valid and later disappears.18:44
ayoungWe need to fix in J118:44
* dolphm unblocked the ec2_token patch and targeted bug at RC118:44
dolphmi'd +2 except for the commit message thing18:45
marekdayoung: you wanted to -2 what? federation patches/18:45
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ayoungmarekd, yeah....I wanted to redo the token creation pipeline first18:45
ayoungbut couldn't get to it in time.18:46
gyeeayoung, marekd, the questions is if users are managed outside of Keystone, what's the use of shadowing them in Keystone?18:46
dolphmayoung: btw, please don't reimplement paste - just take advantage of wsgi18:46
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gyeefor metering & billing, tracking?18:46
marekdgyee: you dont shadow any user information...18:46
ayoungdolphm, for the token pipeline?18:46
dolphmayoung: yes18:46
dolphmayoung: i think you filed a wishlist bug to that effect18:46
gyeeif I am reading ayoung correctly, he wants to shadow them in Keystone18:47
dolphmgyee: i haven't gotten a great answer to that question either18:47
marekdgyee: he wants to remove identity :D18:47
dolphmmarekd: me too, but not today!18:47
ayoungdolphm, I think I alluded to "something like paste if paste can't suit our needs"  or something appropriatlley vague.  I suspect one of the more pythonic members of our community will have the right solution, not I.18:47
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marekdgyee: we don't shadow any user information...the only 'shadowing' if we can call it that way is groups/roles configuration18:48
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dolphmayoung: paste is the answer you're looking for ;)18:48
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dolphmayoung: more specifically wsgi in general, but paste makes wsgi sufficiently easy18:48
marekdgyee: basically RuleProcessor, courtesy of stevemar, maps SAML2 assertion into set of group id18:48
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gyeemarekd, that's how it is usually done18:49
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gyeeKeystone manage the "personas"18:49
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ayoungdolphm, It may well be.  I think can see how it will solve the token-pipeline configuration18:49
gyeepersonas are pre-determined18:49
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dolphm#topic open discussion18:50
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marekdgyee: agreed. So in this use-case, there is not new User record18:50
marekdgyee: a group may be.18:50
ayounggyee, that sounds a lot like "define the users in SAML and the groups in Keystone" to me18:50
jamielennoxdolphm: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/78068/ ?18:50
gyeeayoung, right, defining groups in kesytone18:50
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marekdgyee: but even if we skip groups, and map directly from saml2 to role we still sometimes need create roles dedicated for federated users...18:51
dolphmjamielennox: are you asking for a review or with regard to blocking until juno?18:51
marekdgyee: to me it again smells like 'shadowing'18:51
ayounggyee, we can do that now  with the mapping layer, but we could make a persona or group a first class entity in that layer18:51
jamielennoxdolphm: regarding whether it's blocked, you did a review the other day without a  -218:51
dolphmjamielennox: intentional :)18:51
jamielennoxdolphm: if it's blocked i'll probably abandon and do it with pecan when that happens18:51
gyeemarekd, you don't want to directly assign user roles, just ask your auditing ppl18:51
jamielennoxdolphm: it got bigger and uglier than i though it would18:52
marekdsaml2->roles was ayoung's idea18:52
dolphmjamielennox: i haven't given it a thorough review, but don't see a reason for it to be blocked18:52
gyeeit will be a nightmare to do auditing/forensics18:52
bknudsonjamielennox: so the links in all the elements are broken?18:52
jamielennoxbknudson: it means that if you don't put admin_host_url in config you get links that are like http://localhost/blah18:52
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ayounggyee, not if we keep the userid mapping clean.18:53
dolphmjamielennox: i'm just not sure how to triage the bug, or if it should be targeted at RC118:53
gyeeayoung, you don't really need user id18:53
jamielennoxbknudson: the patch defaults that to using whatever host you connected to it with so if you requests.get('http://keystone/v3/users') links will be relative to http://keystone/v318:53
dolphmjamielennox: after all, you just have to provide configuration for it work as expected, right?18:53
ayounggyee, all the other projects need userid18:53
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ayoungso, yes we do18:54
marekdayoung: ++18:54
gyeein SAML land, a user is unique identified by a collection of attributes18:54
jamielennoxdtroyer and i have discussed in the past that it's unset by default in real deployments and no one notices because it's only ued by links and discovery18:54
ayounggyee, and a userid is the shortcut18:54
marekdgyee: but in the keystone world by unique string...18:54
bknudsonjamielennox: what do you mean? a relative link?18:54
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bknudsonlike /v3/users ?18:54
ayounggyee, even in SAML, each user has a unique identifier18:54
ayounglets not quibble, I have no patience for it today18:54
jamielennoxbknudson: sorry shouldn't have used relative18:55
dolphmjamielennox: i thought you were getting the host url out of the wsgi env, not using relative urls?18:55
fmarco76gyee: actually in SAML user are identified by an ID, gnerally the EPTID or EPPN18:55
dwaiteseems to me there are two approaches - expect the IDP to send roles which are defined by keystone, or the IDP will send user roles over and keystone will interpret them and map them into its own role concept.18:55
marekdayoung: anything else regarding federation you wanted to discuss now?18:55
jamielennoxif you connect to url 'http://keystone:5000/v3/users' then request.host_url is http://keystone:500018:55
ayoungmarekd, nope..it can all wait to Atlanta18:55
dolphmdwaite: \o/ long time no see18:55
dwaitehi dolphm!18:55
jamielennoxbknudson: so i want to default the public and admin urls to the request.host_url18:56
bknudsonjamielennox: that sounds like the right way to do it.18:56
jamielennoxrather than http://localhost:%(public_port) which it is now18:56
bknudsonjamielennox: but you can override with  http://localhost:%(public_port) ?18:56
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jamielennoxso it shouldn't change anything for deployments18:56
dolphmjamielennox: which could be something like "http://hostname:port/path" -- correct?18:56
jamielennoxbknudson: ++18:56
bknudsonjamielennox: that's great.18:56
gyeemore federation fun in Atlanta I guess18:56
jamielennoxdolphm: right it you have a /path you will still need to set the config option18:57
fmarco76ayoung, just a question, do you have a plan to provide token after federate authentication as post to an external service?18:57
bknudsonjamielennox: IMO this is fixing a bug.18:57
stevemargyee, for sure18:57
dolphmgyee: of course!18:57
gyeeI think we really need to get that user_id question straighten out18:57
gyeewhat is it used for?18:57
dolphmjamielennox: oh - i assumed /path would be included18:57
jamielennoxdolphm: i don't know how to fix that without some bigger rearchitecting18:57
stevemargyee, auditing mostly18:57
dolphmjamielennox: fair enough18:57
bknudsonjamielennox: why can't we get the path?18:57
jamielennoxbknudson: you can't do it as a drop in replacement at least18:57
jamielennoxall the link rendering is done based on the config option18:58
marekdayoung: allrighty, i am headong home. should be online again soon.18:58
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jamielennoxif we put some effort in in Juno we can get the whole request url but everything build up there own path relative to a base18:58
gyeedolphm, are you accepting design session proposals now?18:59
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dolphmgyee: since friday http://summit.openstack.org/18:59
jamielennoxrephrase: all the controllers currently builds the URLs assuming the base up18:59
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marekd|awaydolphm: until?18:59
jamielennoxwe would have to change all that18:59
dolphmmarekd|away: ... late april19:00
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marekd|awaydolphm: ok!19:00
dolphmmarekd|away: april 19? april 29? i should have written the date down, but i'll give a heads up when we get close19:00
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jeblairhello infra folks!19:00
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SlickNikhello there.19:01
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jeblair#startmeeting infra19:01
openstackMeeting started Tue Mar 11 19:01:44 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is jeblair. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.19:01
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.19:01
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jeblair#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/InfraTeamMeeting19:01
jeblair#link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2014/infra.2014-03-04-19.01.html19:01
jeblair#topic  Actions from last meeting19:02
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jeblairfungi check for remaining recommendations of openstack-ci-admins fungi disable openstack-ci-admins list19:02
jeblairfungi: what's the disposition of that list?19:02
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fungijeblair: done, there were none in the docs in git but there were a couple hits on the wiki. i keep gettign distracted by broken things and haven't finished updating those articles yet19:03
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jeblairsorry about the broken things :(19:03
fungiso i've looked into it, should be able to finish updating and disable the ml this week sometime19:03
jeblairfungi: cool19:03
clarkbfungi: is that something we could crowd source?19:04
clarkbor simpler to just do it directly?19:04
fungiclarkb: it's only 2 or 3 articles19:04
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fungibut i keep starting to update them and then people ask me questions or something breaks, so the tabs for them are just sitting open in my browser abouit 30 tabs below whatever i'm working on now19:05
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jeblair#topic  Upgrade gerrit (zaro)19:06
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jeblairzaro: are you around?  if so, what's the latest there?19:06
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jeblairi reviewed some changes this morning which are just backports of the 2.9 changes into our 2.8 tree19:06
jeblairi could probably could have just approved them since i don't think our review of those changes is meaningful19:07
swestonjeblair: I have been reviewing Zaro's changes, as you requested.  Getting a crash course in Gerrit and Git :-)19:07
zarolatest is changes are on gerrit.  just been waiting for reviews.19:07
jeblairsweston: great!19:07
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jeblairzaro: anything else blocking the move other than reviews?19:08
mordredjeblair: (lurking - about to go pick up my dad from airport)19:08
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jeblaircool, so i think the rest of the agenda is stale from before; sorry about that.  we're going to improv a bit here...19:09
jeblair#topic puppetboard19:09
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jeblairso this actually relates to a number of puppet and hiera changes outstanding19:10
jeblairsince we want to have puppetboard up before we start doing refactoring19:10
jeblairand i think there is a review19:10
mordredoh! dad's flight delayed. so I'm ...19:10
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jeblair#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/77928/19:10
clarkbnibalizer: ^19:10
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jeblairmordred: yay? i guess? :)19:10
nibalizerhi im here19:10
clarkbnibalizer: can you fill us in on the vcsrepo situation?19:11
mordredI tried to apply that this weekend and got hit by the vcsrepo thing19:11
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nibalizercurrently we use openstackci-vcsrepo19:11
nibalizerpuppetboard module depends on puppetlabs-vcsrepo19:11
nibalizeri think the short term resolution is to modify install_modules.sh to have an array of modules to be installed without their dependencies19:11
nibalizerin this case puppetboard would install and work fine19:12
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mordredI'm good with that as a short-term resolution19:12
nibalizerpuppet module install --without-deps or something19:12
mordredlong term - I would like to get us migrated off of openstackci-vcsrepo19:12
jeblairnibalizer: oh, is that because both vcsrepo modules are compatible?19:12
nibalizerlong term we should get pl-vcsrepo in place19:12
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clarkb++ to both ideas19:12
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nibalizerjeblair: with what puppetboard does, yes19:12
mordredbut there are 32 different usages of vcsrepo19:12
mordredso we should verify that pl-vcsrepo operates how we expect19:13
mordredfor those19:13
nibalizeryea, and we can assign that to me after puppetboard lands if we want19:13
nibalizersince at that point i'll be sortof wondering what to do19:13
jeblairshort and long term sound gtm19:13
jeblairnibalizer: fix all the things19:13
* mordred hands nibalizer a cookie19:13
nibalizeralso i might be changing jobs to piston cloud19:13
jesusaurushow much divergence is there betweeen the vcsrepos? is migrating to puppetlabs a large undertaking?19:13
* fungi is wholeheartedly in favor19:13
nibalizerwhich would basically pay me to be on this team19:13
nibalizerwhich would be freaking awesome19:14
mordrednibalizer: ++19:14
funginibalizer: yes!19:14
jeblairnibalizer: it would be freaking awesome!  i hope it happens!19:14
mordredjesusaurus: unknown - there is a decent divergence19:14
clarkbjesusaurus: I don't expect them to be terribly different, but we have always had trouble with the subtle behaviors in that module19:14
mordredjesusaurus: but what clarkb said19:14
clarkblike does asubscription trigger every time that repo is updated or only when the branch/ref/tag updates19:14
clarkband so on19:14
jeblair#agreed install puppet modules without deps to avoid puppetlabs/openstackci vcsrepo module conflict (short term)19:15
nibalizeryea but if we're agreed im gonn hack install_modules.sh to work we can move on19:15
nibalizeroh awesome19:15
jeblair#agreed migrate to puppetlabs vcsrepo module (long term)19:15
fungiit might be that if the complexity of vcsrepo is our biggest issue for most cases, developing some very lightweight gitrepo module for most of what we need would be sufficient19:15
jeblairoh i may have jumped the gun on that last one19:16
nibalizerlets put migration into 'needs more info'19:16
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nibalizeri can probably have some actual data by next week19:16
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jeblairthat doesn't sound like a terrible idea if the puppetlabs vcsrepo module in intractable, but puppetlabs module should probably be a first step/attempt19:16
sdagueso is vcsrepo any less terrible?19:16
fungii don't think the two are mutually exclusive, but that's a potential out if vcsrepo needs too much work for our primary uses19:16
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fungiand would be preferable to forking an outdated one19:17
jeblairsdague: less terrible than what?  (and which vcsrepo?)19:17
sdagueI was using the puppet forge one for local stuff19:18
sdagueand had issues with setting origin19:18
sdagueeventually gave up and used the devstack routines to clone trees in a shell script19:18
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sdaguewhich is basically the code that we use in the gate to set the zuul refs19:18
jeblairsdague: ah, is it less terrible than it used to be.  gotcha.19:19
fungiit seemed like a lot of the complexity in vcsrepo stemmed from trying to come up with an abstraction to represent a variety of different vcs'es with sometimes contradictory underlying concepts19:19
sdaguefungi: do we use it on more than git projects today?19:19
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fungisdague: maybe one or two, but almost all our uses are git19:19
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sdaguejust in case it was replaceable with a small shell script19:19
fungiright, that's what i meant by a lightweight replacement maybe being an easy out if we need one19:20
jeblairnibalizer: sounds like it's worth looking into and familiarizing a bit, but maybe be wary of going too far down the rabbit hole19:20
sdagueI managed to basically replace it with that19:20
sdaguefor my purposes19:20
nibalizerjeblair: okay19:20
fungisdague: cool19:21
jeblairdo we have any issues with our current vcsrepo module?19:21
mordrednibalizer: I can re-try your patch on puppetdb.o.o whenever you're ready19:21
mordredjeblair: not to my knowledge19:21
nibalizermordred: okay ill ping you19:21
nibalizeri'm at $real_work right now with plans this evening so probably tomorrow at the earliest (Pacific Time)19:22
sdaguejeblair: I definitely found issues previously with setting etherpad at a specific tag point19:22
mordredkk. I'm also busy as hell - but wanted to make sure we're supporting you - because I think getting this up will help us all breathe easier19:22
sdaguebut that was during the last attempted upgrade, so 6 months back19:22
sdagueso I don't know if that problem went away, or we just haven't tried moving the tag19:23
jeblairanything else on puppetboard?19:23
nibalizernot fro me19:23
nibalizerbut i can answer questions if anyone has them19:23
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nibalizerokay sounds like no19:24
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jeblairnibalizer: thanks so much for doing this!  i'm really looking forward to it.19:25
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jeblair(and seeing what i assume will be a completely red dashboard)19:25
fungii'm betting it will be pretty red, yeah19:25
nibalizerhaha we'll see19:25
jeblair#topic gerrit downtime / renames19:26
nibalizeralso the green of a node that keeps changing over and over because puppet can't converge on a stable state19:26
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jeblair#link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-infra/2014-March/001003.html19:26
jeblairso that's happening tomorrow at 1200 utc19:26
jeblairfungi: thanks!19:26
fungiyou bet19:26
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fungishould be early enough to get it over with before the activity level picks up for the day19:27
jeblairwe should make sure that all the changes are ready and reviewed today, and prep an etherpad for tomorrow19:27
fungistill waiting to hear back from the chef people on whether it's okay to do theirs at the same time19:27
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fungiand i think jogo/russellb wanted to move the gantt projects at the same time too?19:28
jeblairfungi: which chef repo?19:28
russellbso, gantt is basically not an active compute program effort anymore19:28
russellbthere is some group that wants to play with it still19:28
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russellbso what that means in terms of repo naming, i don't feel so strong about19:28
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fungijeblair: stackforge/cookbook-openstack-metering to stackforge/cookbook-openstack-telemetry19:28
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fungi#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/64788/19:29
jeblairrussellb: do they have an alternate project name? or do they still want it called gantt?19:29
jogorussellb: ++19:29
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russellbgantt i guess, no requests otherwise19:29
jogothere has been no talk of an alternate name19:29
clarkbout of curiousity why the change? jogo indicated nova cores didn't want to review but aiui that isn't a requirement19:29
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SergeyLukjanovthe renaming change for savanna/sahara - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/79097/19:30
sdagueso one of the days we probably want to purge openstack-dev namespace as well then19:30
russellbclarkb: why isn't it active?19:30
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russellbthere's a much longer answer, but basically it was premature19:30
sdagueif we are now feeling the namespace brings more significance19:30
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mordredsdague: we go back and forth on the significance, tbh19:30
fungiand brings us back to the question of what to do with melange and melangeclient. can of worms19:30
sdaguemordred: sure, but we should pick a back or forth "once and for all"19:31
jeblairsdague: so the rough criteria are: openstack is for projects that are part of official programs that are part of the actual product of the openstack project19:31
sdagueso we don't need to discuss each time19:31
jogoclarkb: the current gantt repo is essentially playground -- and we don't feel comfortable opening up the core team on a Compute Program repo19:31
jeblairsdague: openstack-dev is for projects that aid development of openstack but are not the actual product19:31
sdaguejeblair: well openstack/ is full of docs trees19:31
jeblairsdague: the api is part of the product19:31
sdaguethe manuals?19:31
mordredas is the documentation for the product19:31
jeblairsdague: yeah, products without documentation suck :)19:32
fungii'd also like to see the tc weigh in on a contingency plan for when we do eventually need to kick a project out of incubation too, so we know what the overall plan is for that sort of project removal from the namespace19:32
sdagueok, so the split then of why tempest is in openstack, and grenade and devstack aren't is my question19:32
mordredfungi: well, if they'd do that, then we'd know what to do with melange19:32
jeblairsdague: openstack-infra is for projects that facilicate the operation of the projcet infrastructure19:32
fungimordred: more or less my point, yeah19:32
mordredsdague: I believe tempest is in openstack/ because of history19:32
mordrednot because of design19:32
jeblairsdague: grenade and devstack could probably move to openstack now since we've adopted them as official programs19:32
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mordredsame withi grenade adn devstack19:33
mordredI could see them either place19:33
jeblairsdague: but grenade and devstack were intentionally not in openstack because they weren't considered part of what we were trying to produce; they were incidental to that19:33
sdaguejeblair: yeh, honestly, it mostly seems like all 3 should be in one namespace. I lightly lean towards openstack/ because they are all part of official programs19:33
mordredI'm a bit of an openstack/ namespace maximalist myself- I kinda think it could just be "things in here get you ATC status"19:33
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mordredbecause then it becomes clear taht it's not an indication of integrated product19:34
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fungimordred: well, now we have a programs/projects list in the governance repo we can use for atc status anyway19:34
jeblairif we're now trying to produce a dev/test script maybe we should move it over19:34
mordredbut rather a grouping place that we put things that our community has accepted into its fold19:34
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jeblairmordred: i think tempest belongs in openstack too; the project intends to produce a test suite as part of the product19:34
mordredjeblair: I believe that we do, as a community, produce a dev/test script19:35
mordredjeblair: ++19:35
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jeblairi would be fine moving grenade and devstack over19:35
mordredI think the main reason to not move devstack19:35
mordredis honestly the epic world of pain it would cause to move it19:35
mordreddue to the massive amount of docs and scripts that clone it19:35
fungii think moving them will be painful (from an automation perspective) but hopefully pain we only incur once19:35
sdaguemordred: well, maybe do it the week before summit19:36
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mordredsdague: during the summit19:36
jeblairmordred: i don't think it's _that_ painful19:36
sdaguewhen life is quiet on that front19:36
sdagueor summit19:36
mordredduring a talk - on stage19:36
sdague+2 +219:36
jeblairmordred: it's at the top of the dependency tree, so to speak...19:36
fungimake sure you have a rack of servers with blinkenlichts19:36
sdaguesummit just in the fact that overall activity is low that week19:36
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sdaguejeblair: it will probably break every 3rd party CI system19:36
sdagueand I'm sure that they haven't put a contingency in place for the move19:37
jeblairsdague: so we can announce it with plenty of lead time, but we can't let that freeze us19:37
sdaguethat would be a reason to do it during J-1 window19:37
sdagueas it would be minimal impact19:37
sdagueno one racing towards deadlines19:37
* sweston is chuckling about the use of "blinkenlichts"19:37
SergeyLukjanov+1 for j1 window I mean19:38
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sdagueanyway, that was a bit of a diversion19:38
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jeblairdid we decide if we're renaming gantt tomorrow?19:39
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jeblairi'm fine kicking it over to stackforge if that's where we think it belongs19:39
jeblairif openstack wants something called gantt, and doesn't want to move the _same_ repo back in a year or so, we might want to change the name too.  or we can punt and just do it then if needed.19:39
fungii'm in favor of getting some tc direction on general handling for removed previously-official projects, but am willing to add it to the move if there's a majority consensus19:39
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sdagueif we know it's dead, gantt-deprecated might be appropriate19:40
sdagueso that people don't go and try to do something with it and not realize it's basically not going anywhere19:40
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jeblairsdague: apparently a few people think it's not dead, but they aren't the nova ptl19:41
sdagueum... kay19:41
jeblairfungi: it's a good question.  i'm not sure melange belongs anywhere else; but maybe gantt does because of the group of people who still want to hack on it19:41
jogowell its not even really deprecated it was never well anything19:41
jeblairfungi: and an interesting thought experiment: if someone said "i want to hack on melange" what would we do?19:42
sdagueman, all of these things make me feel like the right answer is "rm -rf"19:42
sdagueand let people go clone their own thing on github19:42
sdagueand play out there19:42
jeblairsdague: we have no procedure for deleting projects.19:42
fungii'm more in favor of a commit which replaces all the files with a readme containing a deprecation notice19:43
jeblairsdague: because it would make gerrit throw errors all the time19:43
fungiit preserves the history and leaves no implication of support19:43
clarkbjeblair: not only that but its a bit mean to delete history19:43
jeblairclarkb: agreed19:43
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mordredI think we should just move both to stackforge19:44
mordredand if no one ever sends a patch - ok19:44
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mordredjeblair: I think we could generalize this to be gantt+melange. they're both exactly the same thing - thigns that used to be 'official' that are now no longer such things19:47
jeblairmordred: two subtle differences:19:48
jeblairmordred: 1) when did melange stop being official?19:48
jeblairmordred: 2) gant has people that want to work on it19:48
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mordredjeblair: agree. but I think the decision matrix of options is the same19:49
jeblairmordred: strangely, it's the fact that peoplo want to work on gantt that makes it seem like it should be in stackforge19:49
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jeblairto me19:49
mordredthere is a potential weird bug in atc counting - btw19:50
mordredshould we consider patches landed against gantt during the period where it was part of the nova program to count towards atc status in the absence of any other activity19:50
mordredso really - we need a star schema and data warehouse to be able to properly track ATC19:51
jeblairstrictly speaking, probably so.  but maybe that can just be handled on the level of individual complaints.19:51
sdaguemordred: is there anyone who only has gantt commits?19:51
clarkbjeblair: I was about to suggest that, that would be my guess19:52
sdaguejust sanity check that19:52
fungimordred: well, we did count it for the sake of this summit's free passes, but if we remove it from the programs/projects list in the governance repo it won't be counted on the next run (for elections, summit passes, whatever)19:52
sdagueand if they all have a commit somewhere else, just ignore it19:52
mordredthis is not a real problem19:52
mordredit's just me being me for a second19:52
sdagueah, a mord-troll19:52
fungihowever it potentially becomes something we need to track if we get a real policy around it for future similar incidents19:53
mordredgod. that soudns like a thing19:53
pleia2it is now19:53
jeblair#startvote 1.1 1.2 2 319:53
openstackUnable to parse vote topic and options.19:53
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jeblair#startvote what do do with gantt 1.1 1.2 2 319:53
openstackUnable to parse vote topic and options.19:53
jeblairanyone remember how to use that?19:53
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clarkbjeblair: yes commas iirc19:53
SergeyLukjanovjust add ? after the statement19:53
clarkboh and ?19:53
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jeblair#startvote what do do with gantt? 1.1,1.2,2,319:53
openstackBegin voting on: what do do with gantt? Valid vote options are 1, 1, 1, 2, 2, 3.19:53
openstackVote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts.19:53
openstackVoted on "what do do with gantt?" Results are19:53
SergeyLukjanovno commas19:53
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mordredjeblair: flatten the choice list19:54
clarkbits splitting on not word19:54
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jeblair#startvote what do do with gantt? 1,2,3,419:54
openstackBegin voting on: what do do with gantt? Valid vote options are 1, 2, 3, 4.19:54
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jeblair#vote 319:54
mordred#vote 319:54
fungi#vote 219:55
clarkbnow I am on the fence19:55
SergeyLukjanovshame on me, I don't understand what's the options are :(19:55
fungiSergeyLukjanov: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/gantt19:55
clarkb#vote 219:55
fungi*linked earlier)19:55
SergeyLukjanovfungi, heh, thx19:55
clarkbthat is consistent with what we have done in the past (though as jeblair points out there are some subtle differences)19:55
SergeyLukjanov#vote #19:56
openstackSergeyLukjanov: # is not a valid option. Valid options are 1, 2, 3, 4.19:56
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fungipart of what pushes me to #2 is that apparently the gantt devs need to completly reimport their content again anyway19:56
SergeyLukjanov#vote 319:56
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jeblairfungi: well, that would be the theoretical future openstack gantt, not the current one19:56
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fungiohh... got it. in that case...19:57
fungi#vote 119:57
jeblairfungi: and that's really at the heart of why this is hard...19:57
* fungi is an annoying dissenter19:57
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jeblairfungi: if they just wanted to pause, we'd go with 1 no problem19:57
clarkboh right people want to continue hackign on a thing19:58
jeblairfungi: but it's the idea that there's a team that still wants to work on it, and they might do something other than what nova would want to use in the future19:58
clarkb#vote 319:58
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jeblairfungi: so we have no idea whether we will want to let them drift off on their own thing, or actually use what they produce, or force-push a new thing on top of it or what.  :(19:59
* jeblair is annoyed when people can't see a mere 8 months into the future.19:59
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jeblairsdague: vote?19:59
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* jeblair sees a mess regarding gantt repos 8 months in the future20:00
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fungiright. i think they probably need a new project in that case, which can be a new fork of this one or of nova or whatever they're interested in hacking on. but that's just my opinion20:00
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jeblairfungi: ok, that makes sense20:00
sdaguejeblair: honstly, I'm looking at the options20:00
jogoso if gantt returns it shouldn't be using any of the existing code20:00
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sdagueor where the options are in the bugger20:00
lifelessjeblair: they certainly can't do something different than nova will want20:00
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lifelessjeblair: the whole proposition is to be what nova needs20:01
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sdagueso ignore me, new meeting is on20:01
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openstackVoted on "what do do with gantt?" Results are20:01
openstack1 (1): fungi20:01
openstack3 (4): mordred, jeblair, SergeyLukjanov, clarkb20:01
fungii'll go ahead and draft up a change for that to go with tomorrow's renames20:01
jeblairfungi: i think we should discuss more20:01
fungifair enough20:02
jeblairand make room for the next meetig20:02
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markmcroll up, roll up20:02
jeblair(because i'm not sure we've sussed out all the issues)20:02
annegentlemake room, make room20:02
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jeblairfungi: you've nearly convinced me on #120:02
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markmcjgriffith, markmcclain, mordred, sdague, ?20:03
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markmcok, that's 8 I think20:03
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devanandalifeless: o/20:03
markmctonight's agenda20:03
markmc#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Governance/TechnicalCommittee20:03
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markmcfirst up is DinaBelova  :)20:03
markmc#topic Climate incubation request20:03
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bauzaso/ (Climate core dev)20:03
markmc#link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-tc/2014-March/000548.html20:04
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markmcDinaBelova, maybe we could start by you summarizing the feedback you received on the thread so far?20:04
DinaBelovaok, cool20:04
DinaBelovaso first of all, as I understood from ML this idea seems quite interesting to many people20:04
DinaBelovabut the is one moment20:04
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jeblair#link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-March/028646.html20:04
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DinaBelovanoticed by almost everyone20:05
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DinaBelovanow there is no program that could accumulate CLimate idea20:05
DinaBelovaand not only climate20:05
DinaBelovaas I got from ML there is a good change that probably in future resource time management + scheduling + .. might have one program20:05
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DinaBelovaso here you may see interest to create one program for climate, gantt, all other possible projects working with resources allocation/reclaiming20:06
DinaBelovaspeaking about requirements, Climate fit well20:06
DinaBelovaproblem is with place to set it OS - I mean gap in the program20:07
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bauzasGantt is pretty young for standing by its own program20:07
DinaBelovait could be Reservation program for Climate - but it looks it's wrong way looking on comments20:07
DinaBelovabauzas, I mean possibly :)20:07
DinaBelovaas said in many comments20:08
markmcso the summary might be that a program scope based on reservations is too narrow20:08
DinaBelovamarkmc, it looks so20:08
markmcand you should attempt to collaborate with those interested in the wider scheduling area ?20:08
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bauzaswe already began collaborating with Gantt20:09
russellbthough gantt is pretty much dead right now ... the current work is back in nova20:09
bauzasat the moment, that's draft discssions20:09
DinaBelovawell, I think that projects responsible for different scheduling types still should be different projects, but now it seems that there should be separated program for it20:09
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russellbi do think a scheduling program makes sense longer term, but we don't have a scheduler project that can fit there yet20:10
russellbbut the people in the scheduler program could just coordinating with nova to help prepare for thta20:10
bauzasrussellb: that's the idea we're following20:10
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bauzasrussellb: we're keeping track on what's happening with Gantt20:11
bauzas(I mean the forklift effort)20:11
DinaBelovaso If Gantt is pretty much dead, we can start resource scheduling program with only Climate in it (scheduling == reservation) with possibility to consume more scheduling projects in future20:11
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sdagueI think we've been talking about the need for a cross project scheduler for a while, that we should probably assume thats the direction things end up heading20:11
markmcif the scheduler work is going on in nova, would it make sense to add climate's idea of reservations to nova directly?20:11
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russellbmarkmc: i've been thinking about that20:11
jgriffithsdague: +120:11
dhellmannsdague: +120:11
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sdaguemarkmc: that seems like a better idea than being separate20:11
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dhellmannI'd like to have our default answer stop being "add it to nova"20:11
russellbDinaBelova: what other resources does climate aim to do reservations for?20:12
russellbright now it just does VMs?20:12
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markmcdhellmann, let's equally not assume it's always the wrong answer, though20:12
russellbaside from the usual "please don't add more to nova" concern, why should we *not* implement this in nova?20:12
dhellmannmarkmc: sure20:12
lifelessI see reservations and scheduling as being tightly connecteed20:12
DinaBelovarussellb, Vms and compute hosts. But in nearest future we're planning volumes and storage nodes reservation20:12
dhellmannmarkmc: but instances aren't the only things we need to schedule, are they?20:12
sdaguedhellmann: I think that's fine, however it doesn't seem like we've got enough drive to get this thing stood up on it's own20:12
jgriffithrussellb: actually it seems to me that if it even belongs it likely belongs in nova20:12
markmcclainrussellb: seems that there a resources that aren't owned by nova one could reserve20:12
markmcdhellmann, instances aren't the only thing we have e.g. quotas or scheduling for, either20:12
lifelessyou want to be able to describe a large topology and essentially schedule it across all APIs at once20:12
jgriffithbut I'm struggling to see if there's a real need here, and how you actually do it succesfully20:13
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DinaBelovadhellmann, yes, we plan more different resources to reserve20:13
lifelessrussellb: because cinder, neutron.20:13
russellband if there are resources elsewhere, should the reservations be a part of the API that owns those resources?20:13
annegentlewith orchestration being more prevalent, it seems useful to schedule across apis20:13
russellbshould this be a type of thing we should be implementing in each API?20:13
dhellmannmarkmc: right, I said schedule :-)20:13
lifelessholistic scheduling and holistic reservations are pretty linked, no ?20:13
jgriffithIt seems like this breaks existing limits/quota models20:13
markmcdhellmann, sorry, I read reserve :)20:13
sdagueDinaBelova: I do think a bunch of what climate was proposing could just enhance nova today and be useful20:13
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jgriffithnot that I'd be heart broken about that :)20:14
dhellmannand not putting it directly in nova doesn't mean making its own service -- it could be some shared library code20:14
annegentlejgriffith: heh20:14
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russellbjgriffith: right, quotas are located with the resources, so why not reservations?20:14
markmcdhellmann, +1 on "could be library code"20:14
russellbdhellmann: yes20:14
markmcdhellmann, it could evolve out of nova code, though20:14
DinaBelovasdague, idea of Climate is also to provide notifications about leases events, workflows (possibly using mistral) of how resources should be managed that time etc20:14
markmcdhellmann, question is more about where the REST API is exposed20:14
sdagueso it seems like there are 2 different things going on20:14
dhellmannbut it sounds like DinaBelova and the rest of the climate team are working with the other interested parties, and aren't really ready for incubation yet, is that right?20:14
mikalDinaBelova: how mature is climate? Do you have it working for any openstack project at the moment?20:14
dhellmannmarkmc: evolution could work, yes20:15
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DinaBelovasdague, that's why I don't really believe that this stuff should be placed in nova20:15
sdague1) features that climate team wants beyond what's in nova today, which are mostly compute, which could be contributed to nova20:15
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sdague2) and the global scheduler many of us want, that we are a ways away from20:15
DinaBelovamikal, yes, for Nova20:15
jgriffithCan we take a step back for a second20:15
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russellblet's not confuse this with the global scheduler either, which could quite likely be an internal only API20:16
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jgriffithThere's a lot of mixed conversation about "global scheduler" here20:16
sdaguejgriffith: agreed20:16
jgriffithI don't see anything in climate that suggests that as a goal20:16
russellbrelated, but separate20:16
jgriffithrussellb: kinda20:16
sdaguejgriffith: so that's probably true20:16
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jgriffithI'd like to focus on first does this even make sense?20:16
bauzasthere are multiple concerns here20:16
sdaguethe push back was that this kind of service really needed to be done in concert with a scheduler to make sense20:16
jgriffithtime based reservations of resources20:16
jgriffithsdague: maybe, but I see other problems20:17
russellbthe functionality makes sense i think20:17
jgriffithfirst being whehter the idea is even sound IMO20:17
russellbit's really just stepping back and figuring out where it actually fits and where it should live20:17
dhellmannjgriffith: it sounds like you have reservations about the idea20:17
jgriffithsecond being integration with existing quotas and limits as I mentinoed20:17
jgriffithdhellmann: that's accurate20:17
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dhellmannjgriffith: care to elaborate?20:18
jgriffithSo firstly, I am trying to understand the value20:18
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jgriffithIs there real value in in this?20:18
bauzasthe idea is that there are possibly mixed resource types that a lease can have20:18
markmcDinaBelova, I think I could summarize the value for jgriffith, but perhaps best if you do ?20:18
jgriffithI mean, the whole point is our resources are meant to be elastic20:18
bauzaslike we should want to reserve a volume and boot on it20:19
DinaBelovamarkmc, ok20:19
lifelessjgriffith: elastic but exhaustible20:19
markmcvalue both for users and operators20:19
jgriffithlifeless: indeed20:19
jgriffithbut I'd argue this makes that problem even worse20:19
DinaBelovajgriffith, idea is to potentionaly provide time based resource management to OS20:19
lifelessjgriffith: (ask any bm cloud operator :))20:19
jgriffithso I have tenants with time based reservations20:20
jgriffithwhat happens when the "time" is up and they need resources20:20
DinaBelovajgriffith, so user will have opportunity just to reserve some reources in future, and cloud providers will know about future load picks to manage them correctly20:20
jgriffithhow is this any different than today20:20
sdaguejgriffith: time based reservations are really useful for things like HPC on openstack20:20
annegentlejgriffith: if your orchestration job doesn't fail until you run out of some resource that wasn't reserved, sad user20:20
jgriffithor do you false reserve?20:20
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sdaguewhich a lot of folks are doing20:20
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sdaguewhen time is up, they want those things shot in the head20:20
annegentlejgriffith: but I see it more in the quota arena really20:20
DinaBelovajgriffith, it depends on configuration - like create snapshots for all VMs and kill them later20:20
jgriffithsdague: no, I mean the other way around20:20
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jgriffithsdague: my understanding is they want to "reserve things for future use"20:21
mikalDinaBelova: so, looking at the prototype nova scheduler code for this makes me wonder. Why can't this just be expressed with aggregates?20:21
lifelessjgriffith: I think you are saying 'deploy the thing rather than reserving the right to deploy it' ?20:21
dhellmannjgriffith: do you mean when the time at the start of the reseration period comes?20:21
DinaBelovaquota that's way to implement resource reservations, but not to manage them20:21
sdaguejgriffith: yes, sure20:21
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jgriffithlifeless: dhellmann what I'm saying is:20:21
jgriffithone use case that was given was reserve a resource for usage at some time in the future20:21
jgriffithso I interpretted as:20:21
DinaBelovamikal, aggregates are only for compute reservations, but we target all types of resources20:22
jgriffithHey... I need a medium instance on Monday20:22
jgriffithget ready... make sure I have it20:22
jgriffithI see nothing but trouble there20:22
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jgriffithHaving expirations on resources I get20:22
jgriffiththat's fine and easy enough IMO20:22
jgriffithbut belongs in the project owning the resource20:22
dhellmannfunny, expiration is the part I don't get :-)20:22
jgriffithdhellmann: LOL20:22
jgriffithjust auto-delete so people don't hang on to things20:23
markmc(time check - need to switch topic in a couple of minutes, say at 25min past the hour)20:23
jgriffithbut I wouldn't do that with Cidner20:23
russellbyeah the more i think about it, the more i find it very odd from the API consumer perspective to have to go to another API for this20:23
jgriffithevaporating data isn't going to make for happy users20:23
sdaguejgriffith: it might20:23
russellbi think we should look in more detail at what integrating this into nova itself would look like20:23
DinaBelovawe have idea to create reservations for diffrent resources types, so you'll have opportunity to prolong them all20:23
dhellmannrussellb: or heat?20:23
sdagueif they really need 20G for the next week20:23
mikalrussellb: I agree.20:24
sdagueto do some computation on20:24
markmcclainrussellb: +120:24
sdaguerussellb: yeh, I think I agree20:24
jgriffithI'd also like to understand how it plays with the existing limit and quota modeal as I mentioned20:24
devanandait sounds like there also needs to be a discussion about non-compute resource scheduling20:24
sdagueit should be nova enhancements until proven that it can't be20:24
jgriffithI think there's potential for significant conflicts20:24
devanandaas DinaBelova keeps pointing out20:24
dhellmanndevananda: +120:24
sdaguejgriffith: I also agree this raises interesting problems with quota20:24
jgriffithdevananda: ok, now we're talking scheduling again :)20:24
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russellbright, but i think it's just a common problem we have to solve across existing APIs20:25
lifelessjgriffith: russellb: the thing I think we haven't (as a group) figured out is how holistic /anything/ should fit in20:25
lifelesse.g. holistic scheduling, or holistic reservations, quotas etc.20:25
sdaguebut I actually think that will become more clear with a first implementation in nova20:25
jgriffithlifeless: I'd argue we've swung to the other extreme20:25
lifelessright here isn't the forum to figure that out20:25
jgriffithlifeless: service/project for EVERYTHING20:25
markmc#agreed climate developers encouraged to pursue their reservation ideas as an API addition to nova, explore tighter integration with future global scheduler20:25
markmcfair ?20:25
jgriffithregardless of benefit20:25
sdaguemarkmc: +120:25
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jgriffithmarkmc: yes... sorry20:25
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lifelessmarkmc: sounds fine for now; it doesn't make anything better or worse vis-a-vis future work AFAICT20:26
DinaBelovawell, it looks like we'll have further discussions here :)20:26
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russellbwe should have a cross project session on this in atl20:26
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markmcDinaBelova, sounds like everyone is very interested to dig deeper into the details of the concept20:26
lifelesswe do need to figure out the story for big clusters with complex api deps so folk don't half-deploy 1000 machines before an error turns up20:26
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DinaBelovarussellb, yes, please20:26
markmcDinaBelova, concept of reservations, I mean20:27
lifelessbut like I say, thats orthogonal20:27
annegentlelifeless: +120:27
DinaBelovaI think cross project session could help here20:27
devananda++ to cross-project session on scheduling/reservations20:27
DinaBelovaand how that might potentially work with global scheduling idea20:27
DinaBelovadevananda, +120:27
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markmc#topic Savanna graduation review20:27
markmc#link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-tc/2014-February/000544.html20:27
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markmcSergeyLukjanov, you're up :)20:27
SergeyLukjanovI'm here ;)20:27
SergeyLukjanov#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/savanna-graduation-status20:28
SergeyLukjanovmarkmc, thx20:28
markmcSergeyLukjanov, care you summarize where you're at20:28
SergeyLukjanovjeblair, exactly20:28
markmcwhat's changed during incubation, what the TC's feedback was to your original application, how you've dealt with the feedback ?20:28
SergeyLukjanovwe're in the middle of renaming process, so, we'll release Savanna as Sahara in Icehouse20:28
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SergeyLukjanovmarkmc, the most feedback during the incubation was about the heat usage and clustering20:28
SergeyLukjanovheat integration was fully implemented20:29
SergeyLukjanovand we're ready to amke it default for I release20:29
SergeyLukjanov(I think after renaming hell...)20:29
SergeyLukjanovre clustering it was discussed on summit with trove folks and it was decided to postpone this to the time when will have more porjects like trove and savanna20:30
SergeyLukjanovto better see the common part20:30
SergeyLukjanovas for about graduation requirements20:30
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SergeyLukjanovas you can see in pad https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/savanna-graduation-status we think that all of them solved20:30
SergeyLukjanovwe have a bunch of tests in tempest20:31
SergeyLukjanovand both sahara and it's client gating using them for several month20:31
SergeyLukjanovhere are the logs from the mid cycle graduation review - http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2014/tc.2014-01-14-20.02.html20:31
markmcSergeyLukjanov, on the async gate thing - how often do you see changes in other projects breaking sahara ?20:31
SergeyLukjanovquote: Savanna is in good shape too, some concerns about lack of diversity in contributors but might be a reflection of a niche project (ttx, 20:50:17)20:31
markmc#link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2014/tc.2014-01-14-20.02.html20:32
SergeyLukjanovmarkmc, we have jobs on devstack/tempest and d-g20:32
SergeyLukjanovand it never breaks us for the time we're gating20:32
SergeyLukjanovre diversity, I've make a note about this in pad20:33
SergeyLukjanovCurrently we have 52% of commits from Mirantis and this number is decreasing well (it was 65% on the mid graduation review in Jan, just 1.5 month ago!)20:33
SergeyLukjanovand it was about 90% in time of incubating20:33
markmc#link http://www.stackalytics.com/?release=icehouse&metric=commits&project_type=openstack&module=savanna-group&company=&user_id=20:34
markmcseems like  a nice mix of developers and companies, and a fair amount of changes20:34
SergeyLukjanovpersonally, I'm really happy that we're bringing folks from other ecosystems20:34
SergeyLukjanovlike Hortonworks folks20:34
SergeyLukjanovto OpenStack eco20:34
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SergeyLukjanovre release process - ttx manage our release starting from i120:35
SergeyLukjanovsuccessfully for 3 release20:35
markmcall very cool20:36
markmcany questions from tc members?20:36
russellbyou guys seem like you've really had your act together20:36
russellbnice work20:36
annegentleJust a question while reading the API docs, why is there an EDP doc? What's EDP? I get HDP is Hortonworks Data Platform.20:36
SergeyLukjanovoh, the new name "Sahara" was verified and approved by Foundation lawyers20:36
SergeyLukjanovrussellb, thx20:36
SergeyLukjanovannegentle, EDP == Elastic Data Processing20:36
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sdagueyeh, agreed, the team has really stepped up20:36
aignatovannegentle: EDP is feature of Sahara20:36
SergeyLukjanovannegentle, it's our codename for jobs/workloads management20:37
aignatovkey component I'd say20:37
jeblairthe savanna/sahara team has been on top of gating jobs, etc20:37
russellbelastic data processing right?20:37
SergeyLukjanovrussellb, exactly20:37
sdaguehonestly, I think from a QA perspective they've done everything that they can with out infrastructure until we have some real multinode infra20:37
russellboh you said that sorry20:37
aignatovrussellb: yes20:37
sdague"with our"20:37
SergeyLukjanovannegentle, re api - our 1.1 API consists of 1.0 api + EDP stuff20:38
annegentleSergeyLukjanov: ok it'd be great to define that - not nitpicking at all, I think you've done a good job with docs20:38
SergeyLukjanovannegentle, that's why 1.1 doc contains only new stuff20:38
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SergeyLukjanovannegentle, thx for tip, will do20:38
jeblairthe savanna devstack jobs have indeed in place and functional for quite a while, and the team is really on board with all of our processes20:38
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markmcSergeyLukjanov, btw, you should propose a change to the openstack/governance repo to change status to integrated20:39
jgriffithI've taken it for a spin and it went fairly well20:39
SergeyLukjanovmarkmc, will do20:39
jeblairsdague brings up a good point worth noting -- because of the poor support for multinode testing of heavy workloads, we aren't able to test all of sahara in the integrated gate at the moment20:39
jgriffithalso have a good deal of feedback from customers using it so I'm good20:39
jeblairthat's no fault of sahara's, and mirantis is filling in the gap with 3rd party ci20:39
sdaguejeblair: they have augmented that with 3rd party CI20:39
markmcclainjeblair: but that also also applies to features of some integrated projects too20:39
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mikaljeblair: nova live migration for example20:40
SergeyLukjanovjeblair, sdague, we're threating savanna-ci as mandatory vote20:40
sdaguemarkmcclain: sure, the point is from a judgement perspective they've done everything they can with our infrastructure20:40
SergeyLukjanovjeblair, sdague, additionally we're thinking about fake plugins that could be tested in the current gate20:40
markmcclainsdague: agreed20:40
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sdaguewhich I'll consider sufficient, as they did everything they could20:40
sdagueplus more, by adding 3rd party ci to fill in the gap20:40
jeblairyep, that's not a cricicism -- i'm just noting it, and agree that they've handled it well.20:40
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markmcok, when SergeyLukjanov submits the governance review, we can vote20:41
markmcit's probably worth ttx bringing it up again next week, just to make sure there hasn't been feedback in the interim20:41
markmcand to give his release management feedback20:41
SergeyLukjanovjgriffith, Hortonworks are leaders in Hadoop ecosystem, so, the fact that they are one of three contribs is a significant mark IMO20:41
markmcbut we're looking good, AFAICT20:41
jgriffithSergeyLukjanov: I'd agree with you20:42
SergeyLukjanovmarkmc, it was a very good feedback from ttx on the mid cycle review20:42
jeblairmarkmc: i agree on both points20:42
markmcnothing else on sahara for now?20:42
SergeyLukjanovoh, one more question - should I squash renaming with graduation CRs or not?20:42
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markmcprobably keep them separate20:42
dhellmannone thing: it looks like the API is built with flask, is that right?20:43
markmcnot sure when ttx will feel it appropriate to merge the change to integrated20:43
jeblairyeah, i'm guessing we can quickly approve (or even just have ttx approve) the renaming ones20:43
markmcperhaps it happens early in the next cycle?20:43
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markmci.e. sahara isn't integrated in icehouse20:43
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markmcso, get the renaming merged first20:43
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annegentlemarkmc: right20:43
annegentlewe are queued up with reviews in the docs repos once the infra stuff is done20:44
SergeyLukjanovdhellmann, yup, Pecan/WSME will be used for v2 api (planned to J)20:44
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dhellmannSergeyLukjanov: great, thanks for clarifying that20:44
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markmcok, moving on20:44
markmc#topic Integrated projects and new requirements: Neutron20:44
markmc#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/IcehouseProjectReviewNeutron20:44
SergeyLukjanovthank you all20:44
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markmcSergeyLukjanov, thank you20:44
dhellmannSergeyLukjanov: good work!20:44
markmcwhere were we on this?20:44
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dhellmannit got bumped from the agenda last week, right?20:45
markmcclainas requested I've proposed a mission statement20:45
markmcAFAIR - discussing whether, nowadays, the TC would require neutron to make parity with nova it's first order of business before graduating ?20:45
markmc#link https://review.openstack.org/7974420:45
markmcclainmarkmc: yea well I think we would require the project to spin out existing code vs starting from scratch20:46
markmc#info Neutron proposed mission - "To implement services and associated libraries to provide on-demand, scalable, and technology-agnostic network abstraction."20:46
markmcmarkmcclain, hmm, well we're not saying that to ironic20:46
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markmcclainironic is a bit of different case20:47
jgriffithmarkmcclain: not sure I understand what you're saying?20:47
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jgriffithmarkmcclain: You mean spin out the the nova-network code somehow?20:47
russellbi think that's an implementation detail, we'd have to consider it case by case20:47
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markmcclainif we were to start neutron today.. following the cinder approach would be the preferred path20:48
russellbi think the answer to the question is "yes", IMO20:48
markmcclainthat way you get parity from day 120:48
jeblairyeah, i don't really have an opinion on whether the code should be reused or not.  i do hold the opinion that i think feature parity and compatability are important for a component that intends to deprecate an existing component.20:48
sdaguejeblair: +120:48
russellbi think parity has to be goal #1 before adding *anything* else20:48
markmcclainjeblair: +120:48
russellbthat's the key20:48
jgriffithjeblair: +120:48
markmcclainbut from a time to success.. spinning out code and then iterating should be our preferred stance20:49
jgriffithso elephant in the room....  Is this going to happen in Juno?20:49
markmcor put it another way, graduating the new project should imply deprecating the old code ?20:49
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markmcthe issue we're having is where we have the new project, but the old code isn't deprecated yet ?20:49
jgriffithmarkmc: that I understand and vote yes20:49
sdaguemarkmc: yeh, graduating a new project that should include the deprecation of what it's intended to replace, imo20:50
russellband i think we have graduation requirements changes in place now to explicitly avoid it from happening again20:50
russellbso that's good ... though question is, what do we do with the current case20:51
markmcrussell, want to quote the one that covers it ?20:51
dhellmannthat's the basic approach I expect we'll take with oslo libraries, too20:51
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russellbpaste bomb ...20:51
russellb* Scope20:51
russellb** Project must not duplicate functionality present in other OpenStack projects,20:51
russellb   unless the project has intentionally done so with the intent of replacing it.20:51
russellb** In the case that a project has intentionally duplicated functionality of20:51
russellb   another project, or portion of a project, the new project must reach a level20:51
russellb   of functionality and maturity such that we are ready to deprecate the old20:51
russellb   code and remove it after a well defined deprecation cycle.  The deprecation20:51
russellb   plan agreed to by the PTLs of each affected project, including details for20:51
russellb   how users will be able to migrate from the old to the new, must be submitted20:51
russellb   to the TC for review as a part of the graduation review.20:51
jgriffithrussellb: at least you warned us20:51
markmcdeprecation plan agreed in order to graduate20:52
markmcplan might be a future one20:52
markmcwe could just tighten that up a bit20:52
markmcbut yeah, cool20:52
russellbyeah you're right20:52
jgriffithcan we back up for a second if there's not something pressing here?20:52
russellbcertainly was my intention that it's very concrete at that point20:52
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jgriffithWe've got some cool general statements and ideals but I'm more curious about reality20:53
russellbas in, old thing is deprecated now and will be removed in X20:53
markmcjgriffith, we've only got 7 minutes, would be good to wrap up this neutron review20:53
jgriffiththe reality is that we've all but deprecated nova-network already20:53
jgriffithmarkmc: ha20:53
russellbjgriffith: that's not accurate20:53
markmcsounds like it's on topic20:53
markmccarry on20:53
annegentlejgriffith: not from a docs perspective at alll20:54
russellbwe prematurely froze it, which caused problems, and dev is open again20:54
markmcbut yeah, not accurate20:54
jgriffithrussellb: ok... if that's not accurate I'm very confused because that was a concern/complaint several meeting ago by you20:54
annegentlejgriffith: nor from operators20:54
markmcthe perception that we have is causing massive confusion for users20:54
jgriffithfair enough20:54
jgriffithmy point is20:54
sdaguejgriffith: I think this was sort of the point of the piece above20:54
russellbright, we more recently clarified that it's back open because of the problems20:54
sdaguewe did a very confused thing here20:54
jgriffithdo we actually have an actionable plan and a deadline to finally put this to bed in Juno?20:54
russellband the confusion all of this has caused is another part of the problem here20:54
sdagueand confused our users and ourselves, so we both need to make sure it never happens again20:54
dhellmannwhat do we want to have happen? finish the feature parity work?20:55
russellbjgriffith: i think that's what we need to clarify right now :)20:55
* jgriffith is tired of running two stacks :)20:55
sdagueand figure out how we move forward with neutron here20:55
sdaguejgriffith: ++20:55
russellbgoal: resolve this in juno20:55
russellbbut what if that doesn't happen?20:55
dhellmannrussellb: can you restate that goal without using any pronouns?20:55
jgriffithneutron needs to be default, nova-net deprecated20:55
markmcclainso the biggest item left to tackle is multi-host20:55
dhellmannrussellb: what is "this"?20:55
markmcclainwe already have teams working on it for J20:55
jgriffithdone.. move on in Juno IMO20:55
sdaguemarkmcclain: there is also migration path20:55
russellbgoal: get to where we can deprecate nova-network and have a clear migration path to neutron by juno20:55
jgriffithmarkmcclain: understood20:55
jgriffithI just want to actually have clear goals here20:56
russellbmarkmcclain: we've been saying that for several releases :(20:56
jgriffithand agreement from TC20:56
markmcclainsdague: so the migration path has flip-flopped over time20:56
markmc<russellb> but what if that doesn't happen?20:56
sdagueand neutron is still in the half of integrated projects that doesn't do upgrade testing20:56
markmcthis is gonna sounds bad, but worth discussing20:56
jgriffithmarkmc: I have a suggestion for that20:56
markmcclainnow that it is back we're working on how to render the current constructs onto Neutron20:56
russellbmarkmc: i think we have to, yes ...20:56
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sdaguewhich remains an issue for making that the default20:56
markmcwhy wouldn't we de-graduate until it was actually ready to deprecate ?20:56
jgriffithif it doesn't happen then we give up20:56
annegentlethere's still a FFE for migration path for ML2 plugin I think20:56
russellbmarkmc: that's what i've been thinking20:56
jgriffithnova-network is the defacto networking project20:56
markmcclainsdague: I spoke with the owner of the grenade ticket20:57
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markmcclainhe's working on tracking down why some services aren't cleanly shutting down20:57
russellbbiggest concern is honestly PR, i think20:57
SergeyLukjanovfyi savanna renaming https://review.openstack.org/79765 and sahara graduation voting https://review.openstack.org/7976620:57
lifelessjgriffith: ++20:57
sdaguemarkmcclain: I've been on that review and provided some feedback, it really looks stalled, fwiw20:57
markmcclainannegentle: the ML2 ticket is so that the neutron team can remove OVS and LB plugins from our tree20:57
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lifelessrussellb: I think its more than PR20:58
markmcclainit did stall for a bit, but I spoke with him this morning about it20:58
lifelessrussellb: if we degraduate that means neutron goes asymmetric gating, and thats a *terrible* position to be in.20:58
annegentlemarkmcclain: ok good-o20:58
russellblifeless: we're already in a terrible position20:58
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jgriffithlifeless: +120:58
lifelessrussellb: you're forever in chase mode, its driving devananda batty with Ironic, and TripleO batty with everything.20:58
annegentlemarkmcclain: (and that's more cross-project meeting talk really, sorry)20:58
markmcok, we're almost out of time20:58
russellbbut we could make an exception to the gating bit20:58
markmcclainlifeless: we're super close to running the full job20:58
russellbif necessary20:58
jgriffithrussellb: so why make it worse or continue to suffer?20:58
lifelessrussellb: we are, but we don't need to maek it worse.20:58
markmcfrustrating, but we're still not done here20:58
russellbthen make a gating exception20:58
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markmcanyone care to take this to a mailing list thread?20:59
lifelessthe whole gating thing needs a revisit I think20:59
markmcor just re-schedule it for the next meeting?20:59
russellbmarkmc: i can start a thread20:59
russellbtomorrow probably20:59
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markmcrussellb, thanks20:59
jgriffithmarkmc: I'd vote for next meeting, but not sure which portion of the topic exactly we want to talk about :)20:59
jeblairgating reflects our priorities, it shouldn't drive them.20:59
jgriffiththread it is :)20:59
* markmc moves on quickly20:59
lifelessjeblair: +120:59
markmc#topic Other governance changes20:59
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markmc1) Remove gantt from Compute Program20:59
markmc#link https://review.openstack.org/7951920:59
markmc2) Add os-cloud-config to tripleo20:59
markmc#link https://review.openstack.org/7922920:59
markmc3) Add some REST API post-graduation requirements20:59
markmc#link https://review.openstack.org/6825820:59
markmc#topic Open discussion21:00
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markmc30 seconds ?21:00
markmcanything pressing ?21:00
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jgriffithif you change things out of oslo to fix a bug please please please push a fix back to oslo21:00
jgriffithor make sure all theother projects are aware there's an issue21:00
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jgriffithCinder spend signficant time yesterday on a known issue in the log.py module21:01
dhellmannyeah, I've had a couple of cases this past week where folks had critical issues I didn't know about21:01
russellbthat should be -2'd by reviewers IMO...21:01
markmcjgriffith, "change things out of oslo" == commit to $project/openstack/common ?21:01
jgriffithrussellb: it was in Nova21:01
dhellmannmarkmc: yeah21:01
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jgriffithmarkmc: yes!21:01
markmcbah, shouldn't happen21:01
jgriffithwhich in Cinder we promptly reject21:01
russellbyeah that was a review fail21:01
dhellmannthe default for a logging format string21:01
russellbnormally rejected21:01
sdagueok, so we're into next meeting :)21:01
jgriffithbut it seems other projects don't follow that mantra21:01
markmcok, outta time21:01
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russellbnova does (usually)21:01
markmcjgriffith, post to the list ?21:01
dhellmannyeah, this is a good topic for the project meeting21:01
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openstackMeeting ended Tue Mar 11 21:01:57 2014 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)21:01
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jgriffithmarkmc: will do21:02
openstackLog:            http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2014/tc.2014-03-11-20.03.log.html21:02
markmcthanks everyone21:02
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annegentlethanks for chairing markmc21:02
sdaguewhat topic does ttx normally use for the project meeting?21:02
russellb"project" i think21:02
markmcannegentle, np21:02
markmcyeah, project21:02
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sdague#startmeeting project21:02
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'project'21:02
sdagueok, who do we have?21:02
sdague#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/ProjectMeeting#Weekly_Project_meeting21:03
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sdagueI'm stand in ttx for the week21:03
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lifelessmoah meeting21:04
sdaguewe're now a week into the freeze, so want to make sure that the FFEs are under control (re: mostly done)21:04
sdagueso lets see where we stand on those21:04
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sdague#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/icehouse-FFEs21:04
russellbnova FFEs in good shape, all merged except for ones that 1) intentionally left to the end, 2) basically bug fixes anyway21:04
sdaguerussellb: the event callback merged?21:05
sdagueso what's still open in that list?21:05
russellbbut that's largely bug fix21:05
dansmithwaiting on the neutron side21:05
stevebakersdague: the last heat commit is in the merge queue now21:05
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sdaguestevebaker: can you mark the blueprints that are done there?21:05
sdagueand which one is in queue21:05
markmcclaindansmith: we've run into bug in the gate that arosen is tracking down on that review21:05
sdaguerussellb: ok21:05
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sdagueso the nova side done?21:06
dansmithmarkmcclain: okay21:06
sdaguemarkmcclain: excepting the event interface, how are the rest of the FFEs?21:08
russellbsdague: except for one change that's blocked on the neutron bits21:08
sdaguerussellb: ok21:09
markmcclainsdague: they're progressing the v6 reviews are going through review iterations21:09
markmcclainI'm hoping we can get everything merged this week21:09
sdaguemarkmcclain / russellb: when do we expect the event stuff to get merged?21:10
markmcclainevents has been arosen's top priority21:11
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sdaguemarkmcclain: so we really do need people to start focussing on bugs towards release. I'm concerned that it's going to draw way too much core time away if they are focussed on IPv6 blueprints at this point21:12
sdaguemarkmcclain: what's the do or die deadline on that?21:13
sdaguethe IPv6 work that's still going21:13
markmcclainsdague: this week21:13
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sdaguemarkmcclain: give me a more specific time :)21:13
markmcclainEuro Friday Morn21:14
markmcclainv6 is complicated by 13hr difference between collaborators21:14
sdaguewhat about the other ones in your list?21:15
sdaguejgriffith: also is olso.messaging in or out now?21:16
jgriffithsdague: in21:16
russellbi was hoping for that oslo.messaging, but when i checked yesterday, patch still didn't look ready21:17
markmcclainsdague: ml2 migration has two cores actively reviewing and on same target21:17
jgriffithrussellb: sdague it landed yesterday evening21:17
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sdague#topic Open Discussion21:41
sdagueany other open discussion topics?21:41
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sdaguefor whoever is left on this side of the netsplit21:42
sdague#topic Open Discussion21:42
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sdaguewelcome back meeting bot21:42
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sdagueok, going once...21:42
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sdaguethanks folks, we'll cut it short today.21:43
sdaguehappy freeze everyone, and start diving into bugs!21:43
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yamahataIs anybody there fore servicevm?21:59
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yamahatahello? is anybody there for servicevm meeting?22:01
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yamahata#startmeeting neutron/servicevm22:02
openstackMeeting started Tue Mar 11 22:02:14 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is yamahata. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.22:02
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.22:02
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'neutron_servicevm'22:02
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clarkbyamahata: there have been recent netsplits and daylight savings time went into affect there may be confusion around those things22:03
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yamahataAh, I see. So it seems like we would better to try the next week again?22:05
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clarkbyamahata: feel free to give it a shot today :) just pointing out why it may be quiet22:05
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yamahataI'll summarize the status22:06
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yamahata#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/adv-services-in-vms22:08
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yamahata#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/neutron-adv-svc-vm22:09
yamahata#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/oslo.messaging/+spec/message-proxy-server22:09
yamahataThose are related blueprints.22:09
yamahataThe published patches are followings22:10
yamahata#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/56892/22:10
yamahata#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/72068/22:11
yamahata#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/77862/22:12
yamahata#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/77863/22:12
yamahata#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/72070/22:12
yamahataThe implementation provides the REST API and DB model22:13
yamahataIt is work-in-progress to implement loadbalancer in VM with haproxy.22:14
yamahataopenstack rpc is proxied to vm from openstack management network.22:15
yamahataSome patches by others are also being proposed.22:16
yamahataSo the near term direction is22:17
yamahata- to make haproxy in vm work22:17
yamahata- to unit with other floating patches.22:17
yamahata- to look at other service other than loadbalancer. e.g. firewall22:18
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yamahataThat's my quick summary.22:19
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yamahataany questions/comments?22:19
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yamahataI forgot to mention horizon.22:21
yamahata- to look at horizon22:21
yamahataThe meeting agenda/minutes page is https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/ServiceVM22:21
yamahata#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/ServiceVM22:21
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yamahataThis week there aren't enough attendees, probably due to the change of daylight saving time22:23
yamahataSo will try again the next week.22:23
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openstackMeeting ended Tue Mar 11 22:24:08 2014 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)22:24
openstackMinutes:        http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_servicevm/2014/neutron_servicevm.2014-03-11-22.02.html22:24
openstackMinutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_servicevm/2014/neutron_servicevm.2014-03-11-22.02.txt22:24
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s3wongNeutron service VM meeting?23:03
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