Wednesday, 2014-04-02

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Vijay_Hi, I need help with Neutron LBaaS - I'm trying to understand how LBaaS drivers work and so am attempting to write a dummy driver that does nothing for now.. First, I created a new directory neutron/services/loadbalancer/drivers/dummy/01:24
Vijay_In that directory I put in a new file dummy_driver.py01:25
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Vijay_which basically has a class class DummyPluginDriver(abstract_driver.LoadBalancerAbstractDriver):01:25
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Vijay_and has empty __init__(), create_vip(), delete_vip() etc functions01:25
Vijay_I'm testing using a devstack setup, so I also edited the /etc/neutron/neutron.conf file, commenting out the default loadbalancer driver entry for HAProxy, and added a line for my dummy driver01:26
Vijay_service_provider=LOADBALANCER:Dummy:neutron.services.loadbalancer.drivers.dummy.dummy_driver.DummyPluginDriver:default01:27
Vijay_Finally I created a /etc/neutron/services/loadbalancer/dummy/lbaas_agent.ini directory/file01:27
Vijay_I simply copied over the haproxy's lbaas_agent.ini file and changed [haproxy] to [dummy]01:28
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Vijay_and then I restarted the q-lbaas service using cd /opt/stack/neutron && python /usr/local/bin/neutron-lbaas-agent --config-file /etc/neutron/neutron.conf --config-file=/etc/neutron/services/loadbalancer/dummy/lbaas_agent.ini01:29
Vijay_However, I see that the default HAProxyNS driver is still being loaded01:29
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Vijay_When I put a breakpoint in loadbalancer/agent/agent_manager.py:86, I see this:01:32
Vijay_(Pdb) self.conf.device_driver ['neutron.services.loadbalancer.drivers.haproxy.namespace_driver.HaproxyNSDriver'] (Pdb)01:32
Vijay_Am not sure what I'm doing wrong - any help would be much appreciated!01:32
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tchaypoviju/names03:01
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Sam-I-Amhello03:02
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tchaypothere are a strangely large number of people here given that there's no meeting on03:03
Loquacities#startmeeting docteam03:03
openstackMeeting started Wed Apr  2 03:03:23 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is Loquacities. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.03:03
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.03:03
Sam-I-Amthere... should be03:03
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'docteam'03:03
Loquacitiestchaypo: or so you thought :P03:03
Sam-I-AmLoquacities: BOOM!03:03
tchaypooh03:03
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tchaypoand strangely this is probably one I'm interested in lurking in.03:03
Loquacitiesso was there no US docs meeting last week?03:04
* Loquacities can't find minutes03:04
Loquacitieswelcome tchaypo ;)03:04
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Sam-I-Amthere was a meeting03:04
Sam-I-Amwe also had the google hangout03:05
Alexandra_Was? Past tense?03:05
Sam-I-Am(which you missed!)03:05
sldlol03:05
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Loquacities#topic Action items from the last meeting03:05
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fifieldtmmmm03:05
LoquacitiesSam-I-Am to add the image elements he is using to a wiki page, as the beginnings of an image library03:06
LoquacitiesSam-I-Am: hem, i wonder where the minutes are then03:06
Sam-I-Amme too03:06
Sam-I-Amthe image elements thing is on hold until post-icehouse release03:07
Sam-I-Amjust too much going on03:07
Loquacitiesyep fair enough03:07
Loquacitieswe'll just hold it over then03:07
Sam-I-Ambut it's on my list!03:07
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Loquacities#action Sam-I-Am to add the image elements he is using to a wiki page, as the beginnings of an image library03:07
Loquacitiesthanks Sam-I-Am :)03:07
Loquacitiesi think that's all i have, given that i'm missing the minutes from the last US meeting03:08
Sam-I-Amgreat :/03:08
Loquacities#topic Design Summit proposal system now open, doc slots Wed-Fri. morning03:08
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Loquacitiesi don't think i have anything to add for that03:09
Loquacitiesdo people know who's going to atlanta yet?03:09
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Loquacitiesyay!03:09
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tchaypoo/03:09
tchaypobut since I'm just a lurker that's not very helpful03:09
Loquacitiesheh03:09
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Loquacitiesneat!03:10
* Sam-I-Am gets to see y'all03:10
Loquacitiesi'm not going going, sadly03:10
Sam-I-Ami will be wearing my au de -103:10
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Loquacities#topic Summit schedule now posted to http://openstacksummitmay2014atlanta.sched.org/03:10
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Loquacitiesso there you go ...03:11
Loquacities#topic Installation guide updates for Icehouse03:11
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LoquacitiesSam-I-Am: wanna give us the lowdown?03:11
fifieldthttps://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/IcehouseDocTesting#Install_Guide03:11
Sam-I-Amahh yes03:11
Sam-I-Amplenty of patches going in03:11
fifieldt#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/IcehouseDocTesting#Install_Guide03:11
Sam-I-Ami finally got ml2 to work on rhel this weekend03:11
Sam-I-Amturns out it was an obscure database problem03:11
Sam-I-Amthat means i can start on the ml2 config docs... which i'm working on as we type03:12
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Loquacitiesneat :)03:12
Sam-I-Amyes!03:13
Sam-I-Amfocusing on content rather than making it look pretty03:13
Sam-I-Amneed to get people testing the "meat" of the configs03:13
Sam-I-Amhence tom's link03:13
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Sam-I-Amneed more people installing from the install guide03:14
Loquacitieslooks like you're starting to get somewhere03:14
Loquacitiesi promise i'll try and do more reviews this week!03:14
fifieldtwe also need testing :)03:14
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Sam-I-Amanything between the beginning and launching a basic instance (keystone+glance+nova+neutron) ... let me know03:14
fifieldtask your friends :)03:14
sldthat page has changed to be wrong, or something.. i test centos on 'install and configure openstack clients' and it was fine for a +2 (b2 packages) not sure where my +2 went.03:14
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fifieldtfeel free to re-edit :)03:15
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sldwill do, after i test again, since b3 is out now.03:15
Sam-I-Ami keep saying i'm going to go through and clean up the OSs in there03:15
fifieldtsld, so is rc1 for many things :)03:16
sldright on03:16
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Loquacities#topic Preparation for release - freeze on 1.15.0 in pom.xml files03:16
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Sam-I-Ami think we support ubuntu 12.04/14.04, fedora 20, sles 11?, opensuse 13?, rhel 6.5, rh-like 6.5, rhel 7 ???03:16
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Sam-I-Amand deb 7 i guess...03:17
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annegentleI've got a Racker testing Ceilometer on Ubuntu03:17
Sam-I-Amits an anne!03:17
Loquacitiesoh, hi annegentle03:17
* annegentle waves03:17
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Loquacitiesok, so that's all that i'm seeing on the meeting page03:18
Loquacitiesannegentle: since you're here, i haven't found the minutes of the last US meeting03:18
Loquacitiesso i may be a bit behind the times03:18
Loquacitiesis there anything you would like to add?03:18
annegentleLoquacities: yeah I realized I hadn't posted them, sorry. Update dnow.03:19
annegentle#link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteam/2014/docteam.2014-03-26-14.04.html03:19
Loquacitiesah, cool, thanks03:19
ddomingo_summer mentioned something the other day about DocImpact patches03:19
Sam-I-Amfor some reason i thought those were automated...03:19
annegentleThe one action was for Nick to make a proposal for a new doc contribution system, but I did it for the Cross-Project track03:19
annegentleSam-I-Am: you still have to copy/paste them to the wiki03:19
Sam-I-Amwhoops, guess i should have done that for the meeting during sxsw :/03:19
annegentleSam-I-Am: I can figure out the links, no worries03:20
Loquacitiesanyway, that's all i had on my list03:20
annegentleSam-I-Am: oh they're there no worries03:20
Loquacities#topic Open discussion03:21
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Sam-I-Amtest early, test often.03:21
annegentleThere are just 2 Doc track proposals so far, any one else want to talk about doc topics at the Summit?03:21
LoquacitiesSam-I-Am: +103:21
annegentleOne is: Continuous publishing and automation03:21
annegentleTwo is: Install Guide Discussion03:21
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annegentleCross Project is:03:21
Sam-I-Amannegentle: anything i can help out with? (besides the install guide)03:21
annegentle#link http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/details/20403:21
Sam-I-Am"how i became addicted to writing docs"03:22
annegentleSam-I-Am: config too! That's part of the automation discussion I think.03:22
Sam-I-Amthere's no feeling like git review -v03:22
annegentleheh03:22
ddomingo_lol03:22
Loquacitieslol03:22
Loquacitiesthat talk looks good03:22
annegentleI will write a mailing list post to kick off the discussion, but I want to consider an additional doc writing system03:23
Sam-I-Amannegentle: oooooo?03:23
Loquacitiessuch as?03:23
brucer_the more the merrier?03:23
annegentleWell, we know that we need cross-project guides. And I think that we do a good job with Guides. But there's a need for a more article-driven site, such as a support base. Steve Gordon and I talked some about it this week and I definitely want more input03:24
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sldannegentle:  like.. a knowledge base of sorts?03:24
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annegentleWe haven't yet addressed the Application Developer needs for docs.03:24
annegentlesld: yes - thinking of the support content03:25
sldright on03:25
annegentlesld: and also avoiding getting too boxed in with "books"03:25
annegentleAlso, does everyone know we're gathering authors for another book sprint, an architecture design guide?03:25
sldi'd love to be in on that, if possible.03:25
annegentleNot architectures for app dev, but architectures for use cases for OpenStack.03:25
Sam-I-Ami didnt know about that03:25
Loquacitiesno, i didn't03:25
sldsounds awesome03:26
annegentleokay I need to make sure I post that to the list03:26
Loquacities+103:26
Sam-I-Amnot sure what i could add...03:26
annegentleKen Hui is leading it, met with Adam Hyde last week, gathering authors. We need about 5 more authors who have experience designing production clouds.03:26
annegentleLooking at July/Aug timeframe.03:26
sldwell, not sure if my experience counts, but i have plenty experience. hehe03:26
* Sam-I-Am does not have such experience03:26
Sam-I-Ami only design install guide clouds03:27
sldproduction,yes... just... private clouds. ;)03:27
Sam-I-Amover and over and over....03:27
annegentlesld: I do want the private cloud architectures documented in the community - Rackspace, Mirantis. Mirantis is likely hosting in Mountain View. I think Ken can probably cover the Rackspace archs but let's connect you to him for sure.03:27
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annegentleso many mailing list posts... need to get to posting! Another item I've been working on is increasing docs contributors... sort of in conjunction with the "new doc platform" but kind of separate03:28
Sam-I-Amwe need more people :P03:28
annegentleI've run some stats for the last 5-6 months of contributions in OpenStack. There were about 275 RST doc contributions and about 1800 XML (DocBook/WADL) doc contributions.03:29
sldwoah03:29
sldthats a lot03:29
Loquacitieswow03:29
annegentleI didn't count README contribs. It's probably an unfair comparison, but I'm next going to work on a survey asking key questions -- what's the detractor for doc contrib? git/gerrit? workflow? separate repo? obstacles? That sort of thing.03:30
tchaypodoes that include tripleo's clever shell scripts that have built-in RST docs that get extracted as part of the build?03:30
annegentleThe 1800 isn't really a great comparison since many many are not really content contribs.03:30
annegentletchaypo: it includes only the 9 integrated projects, not tripleo03:30
annegentledocs mission is core-only, basically, but I expanded to what I know is integrated release for icehouse03:31
* tchaypo nods03:31
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annegentleAlso I want to encourage people to log doc bugs with a lot of detail... people do this already, but I'm not sure everyone knows to do this. Then we find the best location for the info.03:31
annegentleI just sense we need another location for some info.03:31
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annegentlePossibly another workflow. Want to investigate.03:32
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annegentlewow I can type alot even when I'm tired :)03:32
brucer_annegentle: another as in additional, or different/03:32
annegentledon't let me go on and on :)03:32
annegentlebrucer_: additional03:32
brucer_ok03:33
Loquacitiesno, i'm interested, keep going!03:33
annegentleit's hard to measure true doc contribs... because patches aren't a great metric for docs.03:33
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sldI was thinking that instead of additional... now feel free to ignore me here, but... thinking out loud... it might be simpler to consolidate things to one place for documentation... for example - there is the wiki, there is the docs site, etc., etc.. might be easier to have everything in one spot.  *shrug*03:33
annegentlelike there was a single docs patch for neturon dev docs... I think it got up over 65 reviews... it was gut wrenching to watch.03:34
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annegentlesld: yeah it's pretty much how the world of info works though, we already are pretty strict about "this goes here" yet there are still blog entries, terribad outdated wiki pages, and so on... better to segment by audience purposefully than try to control it all03:34
sldmakes sense, just seems some information may end up redundant is all.03:35
annegentleand we seriously haven't addressed sdk users with docs03:35
annegentlesld: yeah for SEO it is a concern, that we don't duplicate horribly03:35
Loquacitiesit does make a lot of sense03:35
annegentlealso as I go to work on DocImpact, I find it really hard to know where to write up something to close the doc bug... sgordon had a better example than I can come up with...03:36
annegentlebut basically, he had a libvirt addition that was a doc impact... it needs config docs as well as admin user docs... but an admin user only gets it if it's configure.03:36
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Loquacitieshrm03:37
annegentleso one docimpact requires updates in 2 guides, which is fine, but how do we think devs will navigate all this properly? How can we coach them to?03:37
Loquacitiescan't you then just do the patch in one doc as a partial close?03:37
sldthe right entry point and/or seo results?03:37
Loquacitiesor are we assuming too much there?03:37
annegentleLoquacities: yeah, that's the solution now. We were noodling on "what if there was an article about "This cool thing you can now do with libvirt"03:38
ddomingo_one other thing to consider here: i've seen cases where the DocImpact was actually already addressed by whoever, but the docs patches aren't actually in the Blueprint03:38
annegentleThen the article is searchable based on the feature, taggable by release, that sort of thing03:38
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Loquacitieshem, good point03:38
annegentleddomingo_: interesting03:39
ddomingo_i've seen it happen twice, can't quote the exact bp03:39
ddomingo_and i only found the doc patches by *pure dumb luck*03:39
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annegentleI think user guides and admin guides could go into a support center, possibly. Just thinking aloud. We could do only release docs as "guides" and then migrate content to article-driven-site...03:39
annegentleyeah noodling! :)03:39
annegentleneed to be sure it's a site that's correctly motivating (not a junk drawer wiki!) to make good, concise, accurate, updated content.03:40
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annegentleThe Foundation is working on a content site for operators, for example, how can we motivate good content there and on a support site? How can this integrate with ask.openstack.org? And on and on.03:41
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sldi like the ask site.03:42
Loquacitiesthere's a lot of noodling to be done here i think, anne :P03:42
Sam-I-Amnoodles are tasty03:43
Loquacitiesi'm thinking that that's a great note to close the meeting on :P03:43
Sam-I-Amheh03:44
sldlol03:44
annegentlesld: me too03:44
Sam-I-Amcan you tell i'm tired?03:44
annegentlenice!03:44
annegentle:)03:44
Loquacities#endmeeting03:44
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Sam-I-Ami need to snort one more line of <para> tags... i'll be ok.03:44
Loquacitiesthanks everyone :)03:44
brucer_cheers folks03:45
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annegentlethanks all!03:45
martinlopesthanks03:45
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johnthetubaguy#startmeeting XenAPI15:00
openstackMeeting started Wed Apr  2 15:00:45 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is johnthetubaguy. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.15:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.15:00
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johnthetubaguyanyone got anything to raise this week?15:01
BobBallno15:01
BobBallshort meeting! :D15:01
johnthetubaguyquick CI update and quick chat about the summit maybe?15:01
johnthetubaguy#topic CI15:01
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BobBallSo the CI was horribly broken15:01
BobBallfor many reasons15:01
BobBallmostly I blame trove ;)15:01
johnthetubaguylol15:01
johnthetubaguyand now?15:01
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BobBallwas added to devstack but using "localhost" as the service endpoint for nova/swift/smt_else15:01
johnthetubaguyoh dear15:02
BobBallbut localhost didn't work in my RAX image due to some weird IPv6 breakage where it was resolving as IPv615:02
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BobBalland trove only supports IPv4 through their use if AF_INET...15:02
johnthetubaguywow thats what it was, funky15:02
BobBallSo... there was a seriously dodgy message for a long time15:02
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BobBallBut it only showed up as a couple of tempest failures15:02
BobBallwhich was very annoying15:02
BobBallhopefully that's fixed now15:02
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BobBallother issues were encountered such as the hypervisor extension being broken15:03
johnthetubaguyOK, crazy, but sounds like that should be fixed with any luck15:03
BobBall#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/84138/15:03
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BobBallbut I've excluded the test for now, so the CI isn't blocked on it15:03
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BobBallI'm very frustrated with the way the CI is excluding tests15:03
BobBallbecause it's independent of gerrit15:03
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BobBallwhich means there is no easy way of trialing re-inclusions15:04
johnthetubaguyhmm, yes, thats anoying15:04
BobBallalso there is no way for anyone else in OpenStack to say "I want this test, but it's going to break XenAPI so we'll exclude it from that CI"15:04
BobBallno - they just commit the test because it passes gate and then the XenAPI CI gets broken for _everyone_ because not all tests can pass15:04
BobBallSee https://review.openstack.org/#/c/81565/ where I proposed that this exclusion list should live in tempest15:05
BobBallbut that's not the right way forward15:05
johnthetubaguyhmm, tricky15:05
BobBallI just haven't had time to look at the right way forward due to firefighting15:05
johnthetubaguynothing should break XenAPI of course, or its not a valid test15:05
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BobBallWell, we might be doing things incorrectly15:05
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BobBallFor example, we don't list which extensions we support15:05
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johnthetubaguyright, its something we should generally fix15:06
BobBallif someone adds an extension to Nova and then the test in Tempest in theory that should be enough information to not run it for XenCI but to run it in gate15:06
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BobBallbut as I said - I'm currently on fire patrol, so that's not even been looked at yet15:06
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johnthetubaguyright, needs some thought15:06
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BobBallno thought - just code :D15:07
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johnthetubaguysure….15:07
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johnthetubaguyso...15:08
johnthetubaguy#topic Summit15:08
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johnthetubaguyany major blueprints for XenAPI in Juno?15:09
BobBallyay15:09
BobBalllooking forward to the summit15:09
BobBallUncertain at this point15:09
johnthetubaguydo we need a XenAPI session? probably not I guess?15:09
BobBallI'm not convinced there would be much value to having one15:09
BobBallbut I'm only one person15:10
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johnthetubaguywe usually over run in that session, but its often not that useful15:10
BobBallI don't know whether others think that it's useful :)15:10
johnthetubaguythe problem is it does reduce the visibility15:10
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johnthetubaguyand its good to get everyone in the same room15:10
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BobBallThat would be unfortunate - but without a productive agenda I'm not sure that there would be benefit to doing that vs arranging a meetup over a pint15:10
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johnthetubaguyright, just need to make sure it happens, can I leave that to you to round people up?15:11
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johnthetubaguyI can help, just I will probably forget15:11
BobBallSure - why not.15:12
johnthetubaguycool15:12
johnthetubaguy#topic Open Discussion15:12
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johnthetubaguyany more for any more?15:12
BobBallI'm not here next week15:12
BobBall:)15:12
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johnthetubaguygoing anywhere nice?15:12
BobBallNah - just on vacation at home15:13
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johnthetubaguyah well, that can be cool to15:13
johnthetubaguyenjoy your week off15:13
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johnthetubaguythanks bob15:13
johnthetubaguy#endmeeting15:13
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hartsocks#startmeeting vmwareapi17:04
openstackMeeting started Wed Apr  2 17:04:54 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is hartsocks. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.17:04
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.17:04
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hartsockswho's around?17:05
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vuilVui here17:07
hartsocksvuil: if it's just us, this will be short.17:07
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hartsockssyerrapragada: ping17:08
hartsockswhoops… sorry thought you were sreeram.17:08
syerrapragadahartsocks: yes I am17:09
syerrapragada:)17:09
hartsockssyerrapragada: oh. okay.17:09
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hartsockssyerrapragada: mind giving us a Minesweeper update? It's been down for a bit.17:09
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syerrapragadaWe are still experiencing neutron timeouts in our cloud17:10
syerrapragadaEngineering team is working hard to fix them17:10
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syerrapragadaas of now minesweeper is down17:11
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hartsocksWill we roll back from Havana to Grizzly if we can't fix the issue?17:11
syerrapragadaNot sure if it is upgrade issue17:12
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hartsocksokay. Well, I'm sure lots of folks are heads-down on that and adding more hands will just cause confusion.17:13
hartsocksIf that's not the case I can lend a hand as needed.17:13
syerrapragadaWe will update the status page as soon as we get the updates17:13
syerrapragadahttps://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/NovaVMware/Minesweeper/Status17:13
hartsockscool.17:13
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hartsocksI'm getting periodic pings from people asking what's up. I've been pointing them at the page.17:14
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hartsocksAnything else on the Minesweeper we should know/17:15
hartsocks?17:15
syerrapragadaNope17:15
hartsocksokay.17:15
vuilI kinda have been on point on issues nova-related for MS.17:15
vuilSo far the nova computes are working as expected, I will update the page as well should we see issue there17:16
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hartsocksokay, syerrapragada we're counting on you!17:17
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syerrapragadaSG17:18
hartsocksSo, last week I took this time as a "soap box" to make the case that we need to do refactors in the driver or else we're endangering forward progress.17:18
hartsocksI promise to avoid doing that ever again.17:19
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hartsocksThis week, we have Juno open for commits… but a new blueprint process.17:19
hartsocks#topic blueprints17:19
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vuilyep.17:19
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vuiloslo.vmware integration...17:19
hartsocksSo… I'm babysitting https://review.openstack.org/#/c/84307/ trying to get it approved.17:20
vuilI am in the process of drafting one, mostly to cover https://review.openstack.org/#/c/70175/17:20
hartsocksvuil: and I wanted to bring up what should go next.17:20
vuilI saw john g has suggestion of combining into a bigger bp or something.17:20
vuildo I still go ahead then?17:20
hartsocksvuil: based on that feedback I think we need to write an over-arching "refactor blueprint"17:21
vuil(https://review.openstack.org/#/c/70175/ was kinda hiding behind some vSAN-related patches because it was the first time where we _absolutely_ needed the oslo.vmware lib)17:21
hartsocksvuil: then break that down into smaller BP/work items.17:21
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hartsocksOne of the things we need to work out is how we move code between oslo.vmware and Nova …17:22
hartsocks… I'm not 100% on how this should go.17:22
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dhellmannmove code between?17:22
hartsocksBut one of the processes that made sense to me was to work out details in Nova then port them to oslo.vmware17:22
vuilthe over-arching bp sounds more like high level consolidation of 'here are the actual things we are doing", sounds about right?17:22
dhellmannah, from nova into the lib, ok :-)17:23
hartsocksvuil: yeah, that's what I think.17:23
vuilmoving common code to oslo.vmware  is an ongoing process.17:23
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hartsocksdhellmann: yeah. More or less. As we define things in Nova that work well and generically then migrate them up to oslo.vmware for later consumption.17:23
vuilI think step 1 with the oslo.vmware integration is convert stuff in nova to use the stuff that is _already_ in oslo.vmware17:24
hartsocksvuil: like this? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/70175/18/nova/virt/vmwareapi/error_util.py … which is mostly removes17:25
vuilthe ongoing process part is taking a holistic view and see if there is other code that has cross-project benefits and promote it to oslo.vmware if so.17:25
vuiland pretty much all of vmware_images.py17:25
vuilapi.py17:25
vuiletc17:25
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vuilthey have much better test coverage in the oslo equivalent, and it's painful to have to modify similar stuff in >1 place17:26
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hartsocksThis is that common "dual maintenance" problem other libs have to deal with.17:27
vuilis this part of the conversion what john g wants described in the overarching bp?17:27
hartsocksvuil: yeah, I think it is actually.17:27
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hartsocksI'm also trying to figure out when the "you should do this in oslo.vmware" statements are spurious or really sharp points. :-)17:28
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vuilokay, would be good if the 'ongoing process', well, being ongoing (™), can be taken out of the scope of the bp17:28
hartsocksThere's "ongoing" and then there's "ongoing" ...17:29
hartsocks… I mean the oslo.vmware library has discrete releases.17:29
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hartsocksSo you integrate release 1.17:29
hartsocksWhen release 2 shows up, you use that.17:29
hartsocksIs each one a full blown BP? It seems like that's how they want us to do business now.17:30
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hartsocksMake sense?17:31
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dhellmannfwiw, during juno I anticipate us doing regular alpha releases with a targeted 1.x release at the end of the cycle17:31
vuilfirst part I think so.17:31
dhellmannof all oslo libs17:31
hartsocksdhellmann: so… does that mean we do an integration effort on each alpha release?17:32
hartsocksdhellmann: and are those typically bugs or blueprints?17:32
hartsocksdhellmann: or free floating patches (which I've seen a few on Nova)17:32
vuildoug can you comment on whether you think each hunk of coversion of existing code to oslo.vmware will warrant a BP? Maybe a new work item in a bp or something?17:32
dhellmannhartsocks: the devstack gate integration already pulls from master, and we are going to add similar integration jobs to run unit tests for consuming projects17:32
dhellmannso for oslo.vmware, we might have nova and cinder unit tests gate changes to oslo.vmware for example17:32
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dhellmannvuil: I'm not sure it needs a separate blueprint in oslo, although if they are large chunks it would make tracking simpler17:33
dhellmannI can't really comment on what other projects are going to want17:33
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dhellmannand I would think blueprints, not bugs17:34
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hartsocksdhellmann: that makes the imported version of the library up-to date. Which underscores that any interfaces we define need to stay stable.17:34
dhellmannthat's right17:35
hartsocksdhellmann: and I suppose depending on the project's PTL and core team you have to have a blueprint to make the project use new methods and classes in your library.17:35
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dhellmannthat's likely, but as you say it would depend on how the project runs17:35
hartsocksokay.17:35
dhellmannkeep in mind, stable doesn't mean the API can't change, just that the old API needs to keep working in parallel17:36
hartsocksin general, that means deprecate API you don't want to use, add new API and get people moving to the new API.17:37
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hartsocksSo. How do you deprecate an API in OSLO?17:37
hartsocksIs there a decorator?17:37
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dhellmannyes, there's a decorator in one of the incubator libs17:38
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hartsocksokay.17:38
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hartsocksI bring it up because of issues like: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/vmware-vm-ref-refactor17:39
hartsocksWhere I'm convinced the issue is with the definition of the API.17:39
hartsocksAFAIK we avoided moving that up to oslo.vmware but if we had mistakenly I wanted to know how to get out of the situation.17:40
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dhellmannhartsocks: you could leave the old code in place, create the new classes in separate (or the same) modules, deprecate the old way, update the consumers, and eventually remove it from the lib following a deprecation period17:41
dhellmannwe're still working out the details on "deprecation period" :-)17:41
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dhellmannwe have to be careful that new releases of an oslo lib don't break old versions of apps while they are under stable maint, for example17:41
* hartsocks wonders how long Java had deprecated date classes17:41
dhellmannthat probably means we need a 3 cycle deprecation, but that's just off-the-cuff and not a real policy17:42
hartsocksokay, so it's a moving target.17:43
hartsocksIn some projects the level of VMware code is very shallow.17:44
hartsocksvmware code integration17:44
hartsocksso that means deprecation won't have to go on for very long.17:44
dhellmanndo you anticipate supporting users of this library other than the openstack projects?17:44
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hartsocksif it's oslo.vmware then it should be open stack only17:45
sdaguefungi: so https://jenkins03.openstack.org/job/check-tempest-dsvm-full-havana/59/console didn't do the right thing17:45
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hartsocksdhellmann, I happen to have been given a project to create a separate open source library in python that I anticipate moving anything really general out to17:46
fungioh no17:46
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dhellmannhartsocks: cool17:46
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hartsocksdhellmann: fyi … https://github.com/vmware/pyvmomi17:47
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sdagueoops, sorry folks, tab placement challenges17:47
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hartsockssdague: :-) I figured.17:47
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hartsocksokay, so we had a light turn out this week.17:49
hartsocksI wanted to get to Juno planning but there's not enough folks around.17:49
hartsocks#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/vmware-subteam-juno17:50
hartsocksI think we should do some data collection on everything we want targeted for Juno17:50
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hartsocks… and we should do some sort of vote for priority order of things.17:50
hartsocks(when coordination is needed)17:50
hartsocksWhat do people think of that? Too much process? Too little? Let tjones decide?17:51
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hartsocks#topic open discussion17:53
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hartsocksgoing once...17:55
hartsocksgoing twice…17:56
hartsocksokay, see you next week17:58
hartsocks#endmeeting17:58
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notmynameswift meeting time19:00
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notmyname#startmeeting swift19:01
openstackMeeting started Wed Apr  2 19:01:02 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is notmyname. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.19:01
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creihthowdy19:01
portanteo/19:01
notmynamewelcome to the weekly fun times!19:01
cschwede_Hello :)19:01
notmynamewho's here?19:01
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notmyname#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Swift19:01
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notmynamesorry, just catching up. and going slow.19:02
acoleshere19:02
notmynamejust got to my desk about 3 minutes before the meeting :-)19:02
notmynameok, status updates on icehouse19:02
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notmyname#topic icehouse final things19:03
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notmynameby my count, there are 2 patches that should land today19:03
notmynameand then we can safely do an RC tomorrow am (california time)19:03
notmynameif-none-match https://review.openstack.org/#/c/81646/19:04
portanteI am still hoping the in-process tests will land19:04
portantemaybe that is too much to expect19:04
notmynamewhich creiht and acoles and myself are looking at19:04
portanteI am almost done19:04
notmynameand https://review.openstack.org/#/c/84456/ about swift-{account,container}-info19:04
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notmynamethe 2nd there is important because we haven't realeased with those tools yet, and they are currently out of sync on master19:05
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notmynameie different outputs etc19:05
notmynameand unifying it before the release means less migration pains19:05
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notmynamethe if-none-match patch is a nice feature and close19:06
notmynameportante: if the func tests can get finished and reviewed today, that's great to include. but is that likely?19:06
portantedunno. :)19:06
portantejust hopeful19:06
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notmynameok19:06
portanteperhaps unfounded19:06
zaitcevI'll look at if-none-match19:07
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notmynamezaitcev: thanks19:07
cschwede_notmyname: i'm also looking :)19:07
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creihtright now I'm trying to figure out why the if-none-match stuff isn't getting test coverage19:07
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notmynameanything else on icehouse patches?19:08
cschwede_creiht: me too, but i start thinking that the problem is coverage report, not the coverage itself19:08
pelusefyi, here.  (WFH and having some VPN issues though)19:08
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claygohai!19:08
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notmynameok, if nothing else for icehouse rc, let's move on19:09
notmyname#topic tempest fyi19:09
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notmynamethis is really just to make sure people know what's going on19:09
notmynamea couple of things here19:09
notmynamefirst, I've put some swift-related patches for tempest on https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Swift/PriorityReviews19:10
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notmynameso taking a look there would be good19:10
notmynamesecond, and the bigger thing, is that tempest is going to get a lot more important to us in the future19:10
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notmynamethe current discussions in the openstack board of directors is that the tempest tests will actually be what determine what can be called "openstack"19:11
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notmynameie if it's tested by tempest and passes in most installs, then that can be openstack19:11
notmynameif it's not tested in tempest, then it can't be called openstack19:11
creihtheh19:11
clayglol @ creiht19:11
* creiht goes to write minimal-stack19:11
notmyname(there are a few other things, but the tempest part is most relevant to us now)19:11
notmynameI don't really have much to add there. this is an FYI about the openstack steamroller process that is underway19:12
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notmynameany questions?19:12
cschwede_notmyname: but tempest will only work with keystone?19:12
cschwede_s/will/is/19:12
creihtcschwede_: that may be on purpose19:13
zaitcevkeystone is not that bad19:13
creihtnot sure what the keystone requirements will be19:13
notmynameya. that's the way it is today19:13
portantecschwede_: I think openstack wants to test how swift will be used in a full openstack setup19:13
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creihtzaitcev: but a *lot* of swift providers do not use keystone19:13
notmynameportante: "openstack" thinks there is only a "full openstack setup"19:13
portantesure19:14
claygnotmyname: well that's the setup they're most concerened with19:14
creihtnotmyname: except for those clouds that don't run swift that will still be called openstack19:14
portanteand they leave individual testing to the respective projects19:14
notmynameright. I'm not (currently) complaining about that. just acknowledging it19:14
creihthehe19:14
pelusecan we propose its not openstack w/o swift?19:14
creihtyeah we don't need to beat the dead horse here19:14
peluse:)19:14
cschwede_that said afaik tempest tests for swift are in a (very) good shape19:14
notmynameportante: actually, ya. but that's dependent on tempest testing19:14
notmynameerr peluse^19:14
notmynamecschwede_: that's good :-)19:15
cschwede_good coverage for most functionalities19:15
notmynamethey didnt' used to be, but I know there has been some efforr to improve things19:15
notmynamealthough they aren't using /info, which I discovered last night19:15
pelusewho maintains the tempest tests for swift?19:15
cschwede_notmyname: but the plan is to use /info, might even be a patch for it19:15
notmynamecschwede_: great!19:15
portanteare not unit tests per-project enough?19:16
portante;)19:16
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notmynamepeluse: the tempest team. there's a PTL and core and everything19:16
peluseso do they keep in pretty clsoe contact with the various projects to assure decent coverage?19:16
notmynamepeluse: I think everyone wants the current state of things to get better19:17
peluselike... for example... do we need to do anything there wrt policies?19:17
notmyname(dodge, dodge, political answer)19:17
notmynamepeluse: yes, probably. I don't know what yet19:17
peluseits almost like you're running for some office or something :)19:17
notmynameany other questions about tempest? I don't think there's actually much to do in here today about it, other than "don't ignore it, please"19:18
zaitcevI'll try. If-none-match first though19:19
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notmynamezaitcev: thanks :-)19:19
notmyname#topic storage policy update19:19
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notmynameclayg: peluse: can you give us a quick status update?19:19
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peluseI've got a small refactor and a bug fix ready for eyes.  Have a 3rd that depends on clayg's update on reconclier.19:20
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claygaside from some polish the primary code paths are all complete19:20
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pelusenext steps?19:20
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claygthere is work remaining for the reconciler, and particularlly with container replication - working through probetests and manual functional testing19:21
claygwe'll need docs and some rebase'ing to prepare the full set of changes for merge on master19:21
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peluseOK, can we get some more folks to get the other lower hanging fruit ready-to-reivew patches pushed through so all that's remaining is clayg's reconciler?19:22
peluse...and docs19:22
notmynameclayg: you've taken over torgomatic's branch, right?19:22
pelusereminds me, notmyname, do you ahve someone good/at planninng on doing a doc section for SP or want me to take a stab?19:22
notmynameie, you'll be the one proposing those to master?19:22
claygnotmyname: yeah i'm still poking holes in the cleanup_table approach and trying to hybridize his approach with the queue based reconciler19:23
notmynamepeluse: we're it. I'll be happy to help write those with you19:23
pelusenotmyname:  cool, let me know if you want me to start it if you want want to19:23
notmynameclayg: great!19:23
notmynamepeluse: go ahead :-)19:23
claygpeluse: I'd like to go over the unified diff and look for drive by refactorings and particularlly cleanup in tests that could be brought over to master before the storage policy patches19:24
peluseso next steps:  (1) someone please rview the 2 patches I have that are small/ready (2) clayg to continue wrapping reconciler (3) clayg to udpate github patch set once those are done (4) me/notnmyane on docs (5) core folks review github patch set (6) clayg start to porse to master.  Yes?19:24
claygpeluse: I think we've been doing that quite a bit as we go but there may be some stuff that would look find on master as it and simplify the final change line19:24
claygpeluse: somewhere in there is an icehouse release19:25
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pelusewell, yeah, I didn't mean to imply an urgnecy ...19:25
pelusebut we are on the sp topic :)19:25
notmynameclayg: tomorrow am the branch will be cut, then we're free to do whatever on master19:25
claygwhoo19:25
notmynameclayg: so you'll start proposing sp to master at lunch tomorrow? ;-)19:26
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notmynameit's done, right?19:26
peluse2 patches I mentioned above:  https://review.openstack.org/#/c/83252/ https://review.openstack.org/#/c/83840/19:26
claygheh, maybe19:26
notmynamepeluse: thanks19:26
pelusemaybe eat lunch first :)19:26
notmynameany other questions or updates on storage policies?19:27
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pelusejust a huge thanks to clayg for the exyta effort w/torgomatic's abse3nce19:27
claygit's probably best to get the first changes up and get some fresh eyes on them to see where we might want to add comments/logging rephrase this way or that, why this approach or that19:27
notmynameyup19:28
peluseyou mean up on github or up in gerrit?19:28
notmynamegerrit IMO19:28
clayg... unittest coverage, do we recommend multiple policies on a saio, should functional tests look for multiple policies.19:28
peluseyup, agreed19:28
claygeah i ment gerrit19:28
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notmyname#topic open discussion19:29
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notmynameanything else to bring up today?19:29
notmynamecreiht: everything ok in RAX-landia?19:29
notmynameoh, the hackathon!19:29
creihtnotmyname: as far as I know things are fine19:29
notmynamecool19:30
zaitcevI'm against recommending multiply SP on SAIO. The install is intimidating enough as it is, and we love new adopters. Functests are different, they are free to say "install SAIO and post-configure it to add SPs like so"19:30
notmynamehackathon link is public at https://www.eventbrite.com/e/openstack-swift-june-hackathon-tickets-830956914519:30
zaitcevIMHO19:30
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claygzaitcev: that's reasonable, although it's really just changing the example swift.conf19:30
pelusezaitcev:  agree, not sure I'd see value in a deault multiple policy install on SAIO but back to clayg's comment - I do think functinoal test coverage needs to at least run on a non-default policy19:30
zaitcevclayg: what does it do in absense of multiply rings, then?19:30
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claygzaitcev: heh fair point, but you can cp object.ring.gz to object-1.ring.gz19:31
peluseyup, that's mostly how I test19:31
claygzaitcev: but I think keeping the saio simple is reasonable19:31
peluseand if you change swift.cnf and don't make another ring file you'll get puked on19:31
pelusesame as if you forget to make the regualr obj ring19:32
claygzaitcev: the only reason I find it particularlly interesting is probetests which are targeted at multiple policies19:32
zaitcevhmm19:32
pelusedouble hmm19:32
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zaitcevyeah, we do run probetests in the end of SAIO document19:32
notmynamebut that question doesn't need to be solved right here right now, does it?19:32
pelusedon't think so19:33
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notmynameanything else to discuss in the meeting today?19:34
donaghnotmyname: do you know which *day* swift has at the design summit? (planning travel)19:34
notmynamedonagh: there is a tentative schedule that has us split across thursday and friday. it's not a final schedule, though19:34
donaghok, that;s good enough for now19:35
notmynamek19:35
notmynamethanks for all your work. you're what makes swift awesome!19:35
notmynamethanks for coming19:35
notmyname#endmeeting19:36
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