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rakhmerovhi there15:59
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rakhmerov#startmeeting Mistral15:59
openstackMeeting started Mon Apr 14 15:59:43 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is rakhmerov. Information about MeetBot at
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rakhmerovhi guys16:00
rakhmerovlet's wait for a couple of mins and start16:00
rakhmerovin the meantime I'll type in all the standard stuff16:00
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rakhmerovlet's quickly review AIs16:01
rakhmerov#topic Review Action Items16:01
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rakhmerov1. (tnurlygayanov) plan to write new tempest tests with execution of the real workflows16:02
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rakhmerovafaik, timur is still involved into other projects16:03
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rakhmerov#action (tnurlygayanov) plan to write new tempest tests with execution of the real workflows16:03
rakhmerov2. Timur, make sure to look at running Mistral tests in devstack gate16:03
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dziminehi guys, sorry my inet is up and down...16:04
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rakhmerovhi Dmitri, ok, no problem16:04
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rakhmerovregarding this action item, we found other resources in Mirantis to set up devstack gate job16:04
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rakhmerovhe's supposed to start working on it this week or on the next one16:05
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rakhmerov#action (rakhmerov) Check the status of devstack gate job16:05
rakhmerov3. (nmakhotkin) take a look at dzimine's and m4dcoder's workflows16:05
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rakhmerovnmakhotkin, I know you were busy with a different work but did you have a chance to look at it?16:06
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rakhmerovI didn't :) I'll definitely start doing it tomorrow since I finished my current work16:06
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NikolayMI'll look at it asap, tomorrow, I think16:07
rakhmerov4. Finish current Demo scenario (make it work) and evaluate workflow examples from Winson's team to find better ideas for Demo16:08
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rakhmerovregarding this one, the first part is done (we'll talk about it later), nmakhotking made our Demo scenario work16:08
rakhmerovonce my 10 commits get merged we'll fix all the samples in mistral-extra to make DSL more consistent but basically it works16:09
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rakhmerovany questions on Action Items?16:10
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rakhmerovif no, we'll move forward to the current status16:10
dziminejust to clarify:16:10
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dziminedo you want to prep demo scenario changes based on Action commits?16:11
dzimineThis can be started now, right?16:11
rakhmerovyes, I would love to have these change in16:11
dziminewho is doing demo scenarios adjustments to Action changes?16:12
rakhmerovwhat do mean by "started now"?16:12
rakhmerovI am going to do it myself tomorrow, it'll take 30 mins16:12
rakhmerovNikolay doesn't work on Tuesdays16:12
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rakhmerovcan we move forward?16:13
rakhmerov#topic Current Status16:14
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rakhmerovI basically finished BP except plugin architecture16:14
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rakhmerovand I have a couple of cosmetic changes to make tomorrow16:14
rakhmerovso my plan is to make adjustements in Demo Scenario (Nikolay, make sure to share it today)16:15
rakhmerovso please report your status quickly16:15
enykeevI've spent most of the week preparing test suite for Lazy Engine. Also published a summary on integration.16:16
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rakhmerovenykeev, ok, great work16:16
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m4dcoderi'm still working on the engine standalone process.16:16
rakhmerovm4dcoder, do you have any roadblocks? Need help?16:17
NikolayMI've already sent the commit on review with demo related changes16:17
m4dcoderno tough roadblocks just some design choices.  i'll send out a WIP for review soon.16:17
rakhmerovnmakhotkin, ok16:18
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dziminem4dcoder: may be bring up the design choices to discuss prior to reveiw, if you need any input (or reduce argument over code already written :) )16:19
rakhmerovm4dcoder, ok, please feel free to ask any questions and/or setup dedicated meetings if you think it would be helpful for you16:19
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m4dcoderwill do16:19
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rakhmerovbasically, IMO there's no rush with this task, we can discuss it in a comfortable mode16:20
rakhmerovif you'd like we can do it now or take it offline, whatever you prefer16:20
rakhmerovdzimine, as far as Manas, we saw his commit. It's fine but we just had one small remark16:21
rakhmerovperfectly easy to fix16:22
rakhmerovwould appreciate if he could fix it today/tomorrow16:22
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dzimineok, hope he'll be done with this today16:22
rakhmerovok, perfect16:22
rakhmerov#topic POC Demo Scenario readiness16:23
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rakhmerovwe already touched it a little bit16:23
rakhmerovwe planned to look at workflow scenarios provided by Dmitri but honestly I was unable to do it deeply by now16:24
rakhmerovsince I finished my current work I can do it tomorrow, nothing should prevent me from doing it16:24
rakhmerovso the current scenario works, I just want to make sure to look at other options and see if we can come up with something better16:25
rakhmerovon Thursday we are going to have an internal demo in Mirantis so we'll get a feedback from Mirantis management16:26
rakhmerovdo you guys see what else we could discuss on that?16:26
rakhmerovany concerns, questions?16:26
igormarnat_I have a suggestion16:26
rakhmerovthe scenario itself is here:
rakhmerovyes, Igor16:26
igormarnat_I'd like to have a list of things which we need to have in order to think we are ready with POC16:27
igormarnat_I mean, list of documents, examples, Bps, ... with links16:27
igormarnat_Do we have any?16:27
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rakhmerovit's mostly in our heads unfortunately16:27
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igormarnat_It's fine16:27
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rakhmerovI can do formalize it16:28
igormarnat_It's easy to type it in then, isn't it? :)16:28
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igormarnat_Having such a list would make it easy to present the results, say, to Heat team, or Fuel team, or any other team16:28
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rakhmerovhow about preparing this list offline (just to save time now) and sending it out in ML?16:29
rakhmerovI agree16:29
igormarnat_+1 for offline preparation and ML16:29
gokrokveHi. By the way I submitted a proposal for Atlanta summit session slot.
rakhmerov#action (rakhmerov) Prepare a list of formal criterias of POC readiness (list of documents, examples, Bps, ... with links)16:30
gokrokveIt is for Mistral POC.16:30
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gokrokveIt is in the prapproved state.16:30
rakhmerovhi gogrokve16:30
rakhmerovok, cool16:30
gokrokveSo you will have a time slot on the summit to present Mistral and show a emo16:31
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rakhmerovyes, very good16:31
dziminefantastic, thanks gokrokv16:31
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rakhmerovhow much time will we have for the presentation?16:31
rakhmerov40 mins like unconference track?16:31
gokrokveI don't know yet. Somethin from 15 to 40 minutes I think.16:32
rakhmerovwe discussed it with Dmitri already and it would be cool to know. Depending on that we should have a different presentation plan IMO16:32
gokrokveRenat, you can actually add commet to this proposed session.16:32
rakhmerovbut ok, we'll figure it out16:32
gokrokveRenat, you can actually add a comment to this proposed session.16:33
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gokrokveor you can ask Thierry16:33
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rakhmerovthe last specific topic we hae is TaskFlow integration status16:34
rakhmerov#topic TaskFlow integration status16:34
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rakhmerovKirill, could you please provide an update on that?16:34
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rakhmerovI assume there's almost nothing new but anyway..16:35
enykeevNothing actually changed since the last week. We still waiting for TaskFlow team to prepare their proposition.16:35
rakhmerovyeah, I guess the only thing we got from them is an email where Joshua said "Ivan is still working on it.."16:36
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rakhmerovsomething like that16:36
dzimineThe ball is on TaskFlow team side,16:36
rakhmerovyep :)16:36
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rakhmerovtheir move now16:36
dziminewe should ask them 'when'16:36
rakhmerovit was supposed to be done last Thursday16:36
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rakhmerovbut agree that we should keep tracking it16:37
rakhmerovI'll be pinging them every couple of days16:37
rakhmerovany question on this part?16:37
rakhmerovif no we can move to an open discussion16:38
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rakhmerov#action (rakhmerov) Keep pinging TaskFlow team regarding Ivan's ideas16:39
rakhmerov#topic Open Discussion16:39
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rakhmerovjust want to bug you again, guys. Sorry if it's a little bit annoying16:40
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rakhmerovI encourage you to review the commits for BP mistral-actions-design16:40
rakhmerovsince we really need them asap16:40
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rakhmerovdzimine, I would even ask Manas to make his commit dependent on the last commit for this BP to make things simpler when we merge all these things16:42
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rakhmerovotherwise the process of rebasing my ten commits will be really painful :)16:42
dzimineI'll do the reveiws - you said not much chnaged, right?16:42
rakhmerovminor changes16:43
dzimineok, do ask Manas, I seee (pls email him directly)16:43
rakhmerovsome of the questions raised in the first 6 commits have been addresed in the last 4 commits16:43
rakhmerovdzimine, ok16:43
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rakhmerovother than that I don't really have anything specific for now to discuss16:44
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rakhmerovif you do then fire away16:44
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enykeevdzimine, you can actually pick the last one commit you have reviewed in Old Version History dropdown and it'll only show you the difference between them.16:45
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rakhmerovok, so let's finish the meeting then?16:48
rakhmerovthanks to everyone!16:49
rakhmerovlet's meet on Apr 21st16:49
rakhmerovbye guys16:49
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m4dcoder_bye. thanks!16:49
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matty_dubsHello, Ironic.19:00
devanandahi all!19:00
NobodyCamironic meeting19:00
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devananda#startmeeting ironic19:00
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ifarkashello o/19:01
devananda#chair NobodyCam19:01
openstackCurrent chairs: NobodyCam devananda19:01
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Shrewshey hey19:01
devanandaas usual, our agenda can be found at19:01
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devanandaglad to see so many folks here!19:01
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devananda#topic what's needed to deprecate nova-bm19:02
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* NobodyCam note I could drop at any time :-p19:02
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devanandaseveral things. and I'd like us to talk about it at the summit...19:02
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lucasagomesdocs, migration script, console, jobs in the gate19:02
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devanandareally - it's testing19:02
romchegthe most dificult19:03
devanandaand then for the nova team to accept the nova.virt.ironic driver into their tree19:03
devanandawhich they wont do without automated testing19:03
* dtantsur would like see those major test refactorings to land before merge with nova...19:03
devanandawe have all the req's of an incubated project (docs, tests, integration with other projects, etc)19:03
linggaoafter nova-bm is deprecated, will the classes for nova_bm still in the nova package?19:03
devanandawhich are outlined here19:03
devanandaAND we have the requirement to deprecate nova-bm19:04
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devanandawhich is both a technical and a human dependency19:04
devanandasince the nova team has to approve those change(s) BEFORE we can graduate19:04
devanandaregardless of how ready we are in every other way19:04
linggaoThe reason I am asking is that we have a xCAT baremtal driver that uses the nova_bm classes. And also uses nova_bm database tables.19:04
lucasagomesdevananda, the design session you proposed to nova to talk about it, any feedback from the nova ptl/responsible for approving it??19:04
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devanandalinggao: AFAIK, yes. Nova's plan is that, when they land nova.virt.ironic driver, they will mark nova.virt.baremetal deprecated for one cycle, then remove it19:05
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mrdadoes this mean we don't leave incubation for at least one cycle after nova-bm is marked deprecated?19:06
devanandalucasagomes: none yet. I imagine mikal has been busy since his election, and there is still a week for session proposals19:06
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linggaodevananda, hmm, that's destructive for other home gown baremetal drivers.19:06
lucasagomesmrda, I think we do, both will exist in the nova tree, but any new feature should go to ironic19:06
lucasagomesmrda, instead of nova bm19:06
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lucasagomesdevananda, I c19:06
devanandamrda: afaik, that's the backwards order. (ironic graduates) && (nova-bm is marked deprecated) should, AFAIK, happen at the same time19:06
devanandamrda: then a cycle later, nova-bm is actually removed19:07
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NobodyCamlinggao: I believe once nova-bm is marked deprecated it will live in tree for a cycle19:07
devanandabut I defer to mikal or russellb if either one are around and want to comment19:07
rlooso if nova-bm is marked deprecated in juno, it will still live in k*, and be removed in L*19:08
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NobodyCamthat is my understanding (correct or not)19:08
linggaoNobodayCam, is one cycle 6 month?19:08
mrdaok, cool, would be good to get ironic graduating without having to wait for nova-bm to be removed (i.e wait 6 months for nova-bm deprecation)19:08
devanandalinggao: yes19:08
mrdamikal won't be online right now, it's a bit early in AUS19:08
NobodyCamlinggao: yep19:09
devanandaone point to call out that we haven't discussed much19:09
devanandais integration with other projects19:09
devanandaeg, horizon and ceilometer19:09
devanandaas the current guidelines stand, we will need both to graduate19:09
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devanandahaomeng was working on the ceilometer integration19:10
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lucasagomesI think for horizon there's no directly work for us to do, since they will just use our api to register the nodes19:10
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lucasagomeson the other hand ceilometer, needs ironic to collect the metrics for them19:10
rloois there anything in tuskar that addresses ironic/horizon?19:10
dtantsurlucasagomes, as I remember discussion in mail list, someone wanted to do some UI19:10
devanandalucasagomes: well, someone has to create a horizon plugin to talk to ironic19:10
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lucasagomesbut it's outisde ironic19:11
dtantsurrloo, afaik not yet, tuskar uses nova-bm19:11
devanandajcoufal and i jotted down some notes there ^19:11
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lucasagomeswhere ceilometer needs code in ironic to get it working19:11
NobodyCamlucasagomes: is it out ironic if we need it to graduate19:11
devanandalucasagomes: right. but we need code to land in both projects prior to our graduation, too19:11
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devanandaso we have 5 project dependencies at this point19:12
devanandatesting: devstack + tempest19:12
devanandamonitoring: ceilometer19:12
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devanandaUI: horizon/tuskar19:12
devanandagenerally just doing what we do: Nova19:12
linggaoand console?19:12
ifarkasdevananda, for testing we also have a dependency to tripleo, right?19:13
romcheglinggao: console is implemented in Ironic19:13
devanandaifarkas: not as far as a graduation requirement, since tripleo is not part of the integrated release19:13
devanandaifarkas: but of course we want that to work :)19:13
NobodyCamand are working on it :-p19:13
devanandalinggao: console is an internal requirement for feature parity, not an integration requirement with other projects, AFAIK19:13
devanandalinggao: but yes, we do need it :)19:13
romchegs/is implemended/is been implemented/19:14
linggaodevananda, I am working on it.19:14
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iron1_can have horizonto start the console19:15
devanandai'll give folks a few minutes to digest / ask more questions about graduation path19:15
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devanandabefore we move on19:15
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lucasagomesright, the ceilometer stuff, is not needed for graduation right?19:15
devanandalucasagomes: afaik, it is19:15
NobodyCamThank you devananda for the info19:15
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matty_dubsIs this / should this be listed somewhere?19:16
matty_dubsSo we can all track it?19:16
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rloo+1 matty_dubs19:16
* matty_dubs happy to set up an Etherpad if not19:16
lucasagomesheh +1 yeah it would be useful to have an etherpad for tracking such things19:16
romchegmatty_dubs: There is a document in our wiki
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NobodyCam+1 (wishes it wasn't another ehterpad, but is good with that option too)19:17
rloodevananda: can ironic graduate *any time* after it has satisfied the requirements, or only at the end of a cycle?19:17
devanandathat document was based on an old version of the governance doc19:17
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romchegdevananda: so we need to update it19:17
devanandamatty_dubs: if you want to refresh that etherpad based on current status and
devanandamatty_dubs: that would be great19:18
matty_dubsdevananda: Sure thing; will do19:18
linggaoiron1_, does horizon start the console?19:18
devanandarloo: graduation is officially done by a TC vote near the end of the cycle, just before the PTL elections19:18
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linggaoiron1_, or it just shows the console log?19:18
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mrdaNobodyCam: Perhaps a meta-etherpad is needed so we can track all the etherpads :)19:19
rloodevananda: ok, is there a way to get feedback prior to that, as to whether/what might be missing. Or does the TC meet and say yay/nay and no chance to fix whatever?19:19
devanandamrda: we have that :)19:19
lucasagomesmrda, heh we do have it19:19
devanandalines 12 - 2819:19
mrdaok, cool, thnx!19:19
NobodyCammrda:  use
NobodyCamfor that19:19
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devanandafwiw, I keep that "whiteboard" linked in the IRC room topic ;)19:20
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devanandasort of a launching point for all the other resources19:20
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iron1_<linggao> Horizon starts Nova vnc so we can consider starting bm console from horizon19:20
devanandaok, one more minute for graduation questions, then i'll move on19:21
linggaothanks iron1_ for the info.19:21
devanandaoh - tilera. From the TC's perspective, I think we have a good case for not needing that.19:21
linggaoso devananda, not sure it is related. do we need to put console support in the ironic bm driver?19:22
NobodyCam? oh really19:22
devanandafrom ironic's POV, it's a third party driver. we have no ability to test it upstream, and without the original contributor's support, can't port it.19:22
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devanandai have reached out to NTT a while back, and they indicated that they didn't have the time / resources to port it19:22
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NobodyCamso we will need ntt to prot that? and provide testing HW19:22
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devanandaright. if they do that, great, but it's not a graduation blocker19:23
NobodyCam:) nice :)19:23
devanandalinggao: nova will need to be able to start/stop the console and get console log, yes19:23
devanandaok -- moving on19:23
devananda#topic icehouse release19:23
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devanandaicehouse RC2 milestone was tagged this morning19:24
devanandawe have a few more days before the icehouse release is official19:24
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devanandai'm not aware of any more backport-potential bugs, so hopefully this will be our final version19:24
devanandaone thing this means is we should (and in my opinion, we need) to maintain API compatibility19:25
devanandafrom this point on19:25
devanandaeven though it's not an "integrated release" -- it's still a release. this version will be in downstream repos.19:26
linggaothen I have a issue about console API.19:26
devanandaand we need to be clear that, as a developer community, we support it19:26
romcheg+1. So we need some policies about upgrading API versions19:26
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devanandalinggao: what's up?19:26
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1307555 in ironic "get console API should not return a string" [Undecided,New]19:26
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linggaoThe console get API  v1/nodes/<uuid>/states/console.19:27
linggaoI think it should be v1/nodes/<uuid>/console19:27
linggaoand return {console: {"url": "blahblah", "type": "blah"}}19:27
dtantsurCan we mark some API's (console ones) as unstable like python-dev do it for some new API's?19:28
NobodyCamlinggao: could that be v2/nodes/<uuid>/console19:28
linggaothe "states" there does not make sense.19:28
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devanandalinggao: since none of the drivers in the Icehouse release will support console, I think it's fair to mark that API as unsupported/experimental right now19:28
rlooit isn't too late to change it for icehouse?19:28
devanandarloo: it is19:28
linggaothe set console state is v1/nodes/uuid/states/console. this one sets the console enablement state.19:29
devanandaso I have begun jotting some release notes there19:29
devanandaand will continue to fill it in as I go through the logs and the release process19:29
rlooso we can just put this console api down as a known issue?19:29
devanandaour (lack of) console support clearly bears mention there19:29
devanandarloo: I think that's fine19:29
lucasagomes+1 makes sense to me19:31
romchegsorry :)19:32
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devanandaany other questions on the icehouse release?19:32
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NobodyCamnot here19:33
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devanandaok, moving on then19:34
devananda#topic integration testing19:34
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romchegshould I mention benchmarking here?19:34
devanandaadam_g: hi! how's it going?19:34
devanandaNobodyCam: any updates on triple testing?19:34
NobodyCamTripleO update: I am still unable to get correct logging from the gate jobs19:35
adam_gour scenario test in tempest is now running as part of the virutal-ironic devstack job19:35
devanandaromcheg: hmm, only if the benchmark tests are running and reporting upstream :)19:35
NobodyCamI can get it locally19:35
romchegdevananda: No, they are not :) Will mention that in open discussion19:35
adam_gthe scenario test in the virtual-ironic devstack job is currently *not* passing. i've been trying to reproduce outside of the gate and debug, but its proving challenging. any help would be appreciated!19:35
romchegadam_g: I was dealing with those things19:36
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romchegadam_g: please poke me tomorrow and we can take a look together19:36
dtantsuradam_g, I'd have a look from Fedora point of view, but I can have even more problems :)19:36
devanandaNobodyCam: the tripleo-ironic-seed job is still passing -- and should be trusted, yes?19:36
adam_gromcheg, maybe we can chat after the meeting. i've narrowed the problem down to TFTP during boot, but still stumpted19:36
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adam_gdtantsur, is fedora still having issues with ssh?19:37
NobodyCamseed yes ... undercloud no19:37
romchegadam_g: let's chat after the meting19:37
devanandaadam_g: you might try adding the tftp log files to infra, so that they're visible to you after the job19:37
dtantsuradam_g, nothing new, without two controversial patches it does not work19:37
adam_gdevananda, that all goes to syslog, so it should be19:37
devanandaadam_g: ah, ok.19:37
dtantsuradam_g, for me sources of problems with TFTP: SELinux, firewall, IPv619:37
adam_gdtantsur, you might be interested in
adam_g^ follow up from an action last week, removes ssh reconfiguration from the devstack deploy19:38
dtantsuradam_g I +many on this19:38
adam_ganyway, there are still some blocking issues in tempest that i have patches to address that are causing unrelated tests to fail against ironic.  ive been tracking on the etherpad @
devanandaadam_g: nice, thanks!19:39
adam_ghopefully we can get these loose ends tied up before the summit19:39
dtantsuradam_g, have you checked you don't have troubles with IPv6? It seems to be relatively undiscovered19:39
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ifarkasI also found the IPv6 issue with Fedora on devtest.19:40
adam_gdtantsur, it shouldn't be an issue AFAICS.. we can chat after meeting and see what we can debug info suck out of the devstack gate with an experimental patch review19:40
ifarkasdtantsur, adam_g, you might be interested in this patch:
dtantsuradam_g, (at least on Fedora) if you have IPv6 enabled, TFTP only listens on IPv6 endpoint19:41
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dtantsurthus breaking attempts to reach it on IPv4 endpoint19:41
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devanandaNobodyCam: it looks like tripleo-undercloud is breaking even without ironic?19:41
NobodyCamatm yes19:42
NobodyCamthat started late friday I believe19:42
devanandaah, k19:42
devanandaadam_g, NobodyCam, all -- thanks for the updates & continued progress on testing!19:43
devanandaI dont have any other questions about it19:43
devanandabut if there are ways I can unblock any of your efforts, pls dont hesitate to poke me19:43
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NobodyCamany one have questions on OoO testing I can answer19:44
devanandadtantsur: any brief updates on fedora status?19:44
dtantsurdevananda, out-of-box devstack is blocked by SSH and IPv6 issues19:44
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dtantsuralso checking RPMs that are will be in Fedora, they need more love as of today19:45
ifarkasdevananda, as for Fedora, I also tried it with devtest and I managed to get it working there19:45
dtantsurwould like to see the test scenario to try it19:45
devanandaifarkas: awesome. are we going to get a check-tripleo-ironic-seed-fedora job? :)19:45
ifarkasdevananda, beside the previous ipv6 issue I found another one with requiretty:
* lucasagomes would love to see a job for fedora19:46
dtantsurthe best way to work on Fedora for now: disable SELinux, firewall, IPv6 :)19:46
ifarkasdevananda, that would be great! ;-)19:46
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NobodyCam+1 for fedora testa19:46
NobodyCamtests even19:46
devanandadtantsur: hah. sounds just like the early '00s! :)19:46
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dtantsurifarkas, again requiretty...19:46
devanandaok - since there's again a long list of open discussion topics19:46
dtantsurdevananda, if we have port reset to 22, we may have it out-of-box19:46
devanandai'm going to move on19:47
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devanandadtantsur: i'm going look at the jenkins log for that and/or run it locally, then will vote on that patch today19:47
devananda#topic open discussion19:47
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romchegI have an update about benchmarks for Ironic19:47
NobodyCamromcheg: are we faster then nova bm?19:48
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romchegNobodyCam: U need more patience :-P19:48
devanandafloor's open, don't wait for me to say "go" before you jump in, folks :)19:48
jrolldevananda: I want to see if there is anyway I can help to get our agent-related patches to land. I believe most of them are here:,n,z19:48
romchegI have started implementing all required plumbings19:48
lucasagomesok quick q... are we going to have a meeting next monday? (it's holiday here at least)19:48
jrollone more related patch here:
NobodyCamoh easter19:49
romchegI except to implement a first benchmark tomorrow and show some results19:49
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devanandalucasagomes: yes - 4/20 is the deadline for summit talk submissions19:49
devanandalucasagomes: so I am planning on reviewing them on 4/21 in the weekly meeting19:49
devanandaromcheg: awesome. is this just API/RPC benchmarks with the 'fake' driver?19:49
lucasagomesdevananda, ack :)19:49
romchegdevananda: yes19:50
romchegThere are more cases we need to benchmrk19:50
devanandaromcheg: awesome. so. Nova has something similar in their test suite19:50
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devanandaromcheg: we need to also have a realistically-large data set in the DB19:50
romchegSome of them are not very easy to do19:50
devanandawith fake data19:50
devanandajroll: hi! so, a few things would help me19:50
devanandajroll: more time in the day, for one ;)19:50
romchegI have registered a session about that
devanandajroll: but seriously, I need to make some time to test deploys with the agent19:51
* jroll gives devananda one of his hours19:51
jrolldevananda: that's what we've been doing19:51
jrollis trying to test deploys19:51
devanandajroll: in an ideal situation, I would say, we should just add a CI pipeline that switches to that driver and runs tempest on it19:51
NobodyCamlol /me has lost two of his hours so far19:52
jrolland there's a few integration breaks we're finding, and putting up patches for those as we go19:52
jrollI agree, I'm working on throwing dwalleck under that bus19:52
jrollwho seems to be not here19:52
jrolldevananda: my main problem is that it's very hard to test this, when we're constantly rebasing patches19:52
devanandajroll: at a minimum (eg, without upstream testing working yet) we should at least be able to stand up a devstack env with the agent+ssh drier19:53
devanandajroll: and run tempest on it19:53
JayFIs there a reason the driver shouldn't be merged even if it's imperfect though? It seems like it's better to be in tree than for us to be in tree making things better than having us get more and more code behind the dam unmerged?19:53
devanandajroll: right. out of tree development sucks. seriously. I've had to do a lot of it, too.19:53
jrolldevananda: indeed :)19:53
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devanandano -- it absolutely should be merged while it is imperfect.19:53
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devanandahowever, we need cores (and ideally myself, too) to have time19:54
devanandato review it19:54
jrollI understand19:54
JayFThen why can't we do that, then file bugs on items we can improve -- like the testing scenarios you've pointed out.19:54
devanandaand make sure that it's architecturally close *enough*19:54
NobodyCamjroll: have you guys looked at the tripleO deploy-ironic element. are we going to need a deploy-ironic-agent element too?19:54
jrollNobodyCam: I haven't personally looked at it at all19:54
devanandajroll: how are you guys building the "agent ramdisk" today?19:54
JayFNobodyCam: The diskimage-builder as it exists now is insufficient to run the agent19:55
JayFNobodyCam: We require a true init in the ramdisk, and right now that's unsupported.19:55
jrolldevananda: there's an imagebuild/coreos directory with a makefile19:55
jrollessentially we just run make on that19:55
JayFI can document the process to build the image as it exists now if that would be helpful19:56
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lucasagomesJayF, any work on the pipeline to add support to diskimage builder (at least for fedora element) to use systemd?19:56
vkozhukalovdevananda: what about supporting lvm in agent? yes or no?19:56
lucasagomesJayF, that would yes19:56
JayFlucasagomes: not as I've seen, and it basically changes behavior significantly if you're on a ramdisk or not19:56
NobodyCamare we going to keep a golden image of the deploy-agent or require users to build?19:57
devanandavkozhukalov: i'm still of the opinion "no". I started drafting an email to the list but haven't finished it yet19:57
JayFlucasagomes: so the diskimage-builder stuff, when using a ramdisk, competely strips out the init system, and that appeared to be the same on fedora/ubuntu/etc19:57
devanandaNobodyCam: I believe it should be the same plan as we have with DIB today19:57
lucasagomesJayF, yeah, it uses a custom init script :(19:57
jrollNobodyCam: we haven't discussed that, I'm okay with a "golden image" if it's possible19:57
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vkozhukalovdevananda: ok, now I think it is not so big problem as i thought before19:57
JayFlucasagomes: yeah, and frankly, we want systemd or upstart or any type of init system that can respawn an agent19:57
NobodyCamfyi: two minute beep... *BEEP*19:58
jrollNobodyCam: I don't think there's any user-specific things in that image, but there may be19:58
devanandavkozhukalov: oh? i'm glad to hear that but curious what changed :)19:58
JayFlucasagomes: we never want to be in a situation where the agent can die without being respawned19:58
NobodyCamdevananda: devtest builds each time19:58
lucasagomesJayF, heh yeah I think that quite important as well (/me likes systemd)19:58
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devanandaJayF: how many of your requirements would go away if you did not assume a long-lived agent?19:58
JayFlucasagomes: it's on a list of things I'd like to do, but frankly, it's hard to spend time on it when we have another solution working and other things between us and a working prototype19:58
vkozhukalovdevananda: I just realized that our use cases could be covered with md19:58
devanandaJayF: eg, "we want .. an init system that can respawn an agent" -- we can also just power cycle the machine :)19:59
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JayFdevananda: IMO software running as pid 1 should be an init system, not an agent, and I'm not in favor of any model where the agent, or some bash script that does a little more than spawn the agent, as pid 119:59
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JayFwhether the agent is short or long lived19:59
lucasagomesJayF, I see, yeah I can figure out that it's out of the scope for u guys now... but we should at least track it somewhere, since we have been using tripleO for geneting all the images we use19:59
devanandaI see only one reason for a long-lived agent, which you guys presented previously -- save 1 POST cycle20:00
JayFit's just bad operational practice, and this will be running on more machines than ironic itself, at least in the environment I invision20:00
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NobodyCam*Beep* time20:00
devanandaright -- time's up! thanks everyone! let's continue in -ironic as needed20:00
romchegthanks everyone20:00
jrollthanks everybody20:00
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sarobwe will try again next week20:50
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mesteryHi folks!20:59
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emaganaHi There!20:59
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obondarevhi all21:00
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SumitNaiksatamhi all!21:00
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mestery#startmeeting networking21:01
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mestery#link Agenda21:01
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mestery#topic Announcements21:02
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Swamihi all21:02
mesteryFirst of all, I'd like to say a huge thank you to markmcclain for being PTL the past two cycles!21:02
salv-orlandothanks markmcclain and congratulations mestery21:02
mesteryI have some incredibly large shoes to fill, I hope I am up to the task!21:02
salv-orlandoI think he's 10 1/221:02
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mesterysalv-orlando: In that case, my feet are about to hurt, as I'm a 14. :)21:03
emaganaI second salv-orlando21:03
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markmcclain12 :p (or 46 if you prefer euro sizing) :p21:03
mesteryThat's a bit closer markmcclain, but still tight. ;)21:03
salv-orlandoI guessed it… 12 US size is pretty much 10 1/2 UK size ;) ok, back to things that matter21:03
mesterySo, a note on Icehouse: If there are critical icehouse issues, please let me and markmcclain know. He is the point of contact of Icehouse issues.21:04
armaxhave I joined the right meeting? :)21:04
mesterymarkmcclain: I don't think there are any at the moment, correct?21:04
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markmcclainto my knowledge nothing is blocking release21:04
mesterymarkmcclain: thanks!21:04
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mestery#topic Bugs21:05
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mesteryjilbosova: You have put this one in the agenda:
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1280464 in neutron "grenade-dsvm-neutron Failure in upgrade-swift (dup-of: 1235149)" [Critical,Confirmed]21:05
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1235149 in grenade "Add neutron upgrade process to grenade project" [Undecided,Fix committed]21:05
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mesteryjilbosova: Any updates on this one?21:05
mesteryjlibosva: ^^^21:06
jlibosvamestery: salv-orlando started an email thread about dealing with service plugins21:06
mesterysalv-orlando jlibosva: This is related to this bug, or there is overlap?
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1307344 in neutron "neutron migrations are not idempotent or invariant to enabled services" [Critical,Confirmed]21:06
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salv-orlandoyes. However I'd want to anticipate that this is not being solved today, tomorrow or next monday21:07
salv-orlandoI still think we should strive to get grenade running - even if we know we have this problem.21:07
mesterysalv-orlando: Yes, understood, I've read your comments and this is a large issue for sure.21:07
salv-orlandoSo I would propose to put grenade in a situation where previous and current revision run the same configuration21:08
jlibosvamestery: salv-orlando ugly workaround could be generating specific migration in grenade21:08
mestery#link Neutron Migrations Email Thread from salv-orlando21:08
jlibosvajust to have working grenade21:08
jlibosvabut similar issues may pop up later21:08
mesteryThat sounds pretty ugly jlibosva. :)21:08
salv-orlandojlibosva: I was just thinking to run the 'new' devstack in a way that the same plugins as the old one are executed21:08
salv-orlandoand frankly, this might sort by itself once we switch to juno21:08
jlibosvasalv-orlando: won't it break tempest tests for metering?21:09
salv-orlandoas new would be juno and old icehouse21:09
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salv-orlandojlibosva: I think it should be possible for grenade to give devstack a different localrc than the one executed in standard jobs. However, this is the kind of thing we can discuss tomorrow morning ;)21:09
jlibosvasalv-orlando: ack21:10
mesteryThanks for looking into this salv-orlando and jlibosva.21:10
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mesteryarosen has a list of nova bugs in the agenda which neutron cores should also be reviewing.21:10
mesteryarosen: Anything specific you wanted to add around these?21:11
arosenmestery:  nope not really21:11
mesteryarosen: OK, thanks. So, please take some time to review these now.21:11
arosenmestery:  these bugfixes just remove some of the unneeded calls from nova into neutron21:11
arosenmestery:  thanks!21:11
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mesteryarosen: Yes, I looked at them briefly this morning, hopefully these can be merged, as it appeared some nova folks had issues merging them at the end of icehouse.21:12
mesteryAre there other bugs anyone wants to bring up at this time?21:12
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salv-orlandoNope, just a friendly reminder that nova core recommends nova/neutron patches to be reviewed by neutron cores as well21:13
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mesterysalv-orlando: Thanks for the reminder here. :)21:13
mestery#topic Docs21:14
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mesteryemgagana: Hi!21:14
emaganamestery: here!21:14
emaganaWiki has been updated with the commits from everybody!!! Huge thanks to all good citizens from the Docs World!21:15
mesteryYes, thank you to everyone who is submitting docs patches!21:15
emaganaThere are one or two bugs without owner:21:15
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1296997 in openstack-manuals "Add script to migrate ovs or lb db to ml2 db" [High,Confirmed]21:15
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1026745 in openstack-manuals "Quantum docs should describe XenAPI setup" [Medium,Confirmed]21:15
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1283930 in openstack-manuals "Make metaplugin be used with a router service plugin" [Medium,Confirmed]21:16
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emaganaspecially for 129699721:16
markmcclainThe metaplugin is untested21:16
markmcclainand technically deprecated in Icehouse21:16
mesterymarkmcclain: That's a good point.21:16
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emaganashould be removed all docs about Metaplugin?21:17
salv-orlandoshould be metaplugin removed (cheeky comment)21:17
salv-orlandoon a less cheeky note, I think now ML2 supersedes it21:17
mesteryThose are interesting questions at this stage.21:17
nati_uenoMetaplugin has gating now21:18
nati_uenoand tested21:18
salv-orlandowell if it implements any use case not supported my ml2 it's ok to keep21:18
salv-orlandoalso we won't have a migration straegy, so I was joking21:18
mesterynati_ueno: OK, cool, I didn't know that at this point.21:18
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markmcclainnati_ueno: link?21:18
salv-orlandonati_ueno: pleasy don't be offended21:18
swestonmestery: I'll volunteer for 129699721:18
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nati_uenolet me grab link21:18
mesteryemagana: You've got a volunteer in sweston. :)21:19
emaganaThanks sweston21:19
swestonalways :-)21:19
emaganayeap, I will chase sweston to the end of the days!21:19
swestonhehe, it's okay, I'm easy to catch21:19
mesteryWhile we wait for the metaplugin link from nati_ueno, any other docs updates emagana?21:20
nati_uenoMetapluing can support plugins which don't support ml221:20
annegentleemagana: how about if Diane can have samples she can document21:21
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1226279 in openstack-manuals "document multiprovidernet extension" [Medium,Confirmed]21:21
nati_uenoI'm thinking about how to migrate it for the ML2, but It is under progress.21:21
emaganaannegentle: Yes, I will ask directly arosen to help Diane21:21
mesterynati_ueno: OK, but the bottom line is you're still supporting metaplugin at the moment?21:22
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nati_uenomestery: ys21:22
emaganaannegentle: I will follow up by ML with Diane and arosen21:22
nati_uenomestery: yes21:22
mesterynati_ueno: OK, thanks!21:22
mesteryOK, moving along to the next item on the agenda.21:22
marunsweston: let me know if you have any questions that aren't answered by the script's docstring.21:22
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mestery#topic Juno Design Summit21:22
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mesteryThe deadline to submit Summit Sessions is April 20, which is coming up quickly.21:22
nati_uenolet me take 128393021:23
swestonmarun: thanks, I will take you up on that21:23
mesteryRemember when filing ideas to also think about community work and things which benefit the project as a whole (e.g. common core).21:23
emagananati_ueno: Thanks! Please, assign the bug to yourself21:23
nati_uenoemagana: done :)21:23
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mesteryI'm hoping to start reviewing Summit Session Ideas this week yet to get a head start on planning the sessions.21:24
mesterycore devs: I'll be reaching out to you to help as I go through the sessions.21:24
mlavallemestery: would you share the url where we can enter ideas for session?21:25
mestery#link Summit Session Proposal Page21:25
mesterymlavalle: ^^^21:25
mlavallemestery: thanks21:25
mesteryAny questions on the Juno Design Summit?21:26
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mestery#topic Neutron Tempest21:27
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mesterymlavalle: hi!21:27
mesterymlavalle: Any updates on Tempest this week?21:27
mlavallemestery: we have continued making progress merging api tests21:27
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mlavallewe are tracking 28 patchsets. As of today we have merged 2021:28
mesterymlavalle: Great!21:28
mesteryThanks to mlavalle and everyone contributing Tempest patches!21:28
mlavallewe have only 2 abandoned, which we will recover soon21:28
HenryGmlavalle: where is the list?21:28
mlavalleHenryG: the list of what has been merged is in the agenda21:29
HenryGmlavalle: the remaining 8?21:29
mlavalleand I can send a list of what remains to be merged to the ML21:29
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HenryGmlavalle: thanks, please do21:30
salv-orlandomestery: my update is that as soon as Icehouse is release I will push an openstack-infra/config patch to make the full job voting. This also means you will be pinged a lotfrom infra team regarding gate failures!21:30
mlavalleI am also planning with yfried to start a similar effort for scenario tests21:30
mlavalleduring Juno21:30
mesterysalv-orlando: Thanks ... I think. ;)21:30
mesterymlavalle: Great!21:30
salv-orlandomestery: a higher failure rate is unavoidable, but the early stages of the release cycle is probably the best time to deal with it.21:31
mesterySo, along with these tests, I know marun has been working on boot strapping our functional tests. All of these areas will help with Neutron stability and testability.21:31
Sukhdevmlavalle: do you have any list for scenario tests?21:31
mesterysalv-orlando: Yes, agreed.21:31
mlavalleSuhkdev: Not yet. We will send a message to the ML asking for proposals21:32
Sukhdevmlavalle: cool…thanks21:32
mesterymlavalle: So you're looking at new scenario tests, is that right?21:32
mlavallemestery: correct.21:32
mesterymlavalle: That may be a good Design Summit Session to propose.21:32
mlavallewe would like to discuss with the core team during the summit21:32
mlavallemestery: we were thinking the same :-)21:33
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mlavallehow can I get that session in the agenda?21:33
mesterymlavalle: Perfect!21:33
marunmlavalle: I hope to be involved in discussion of new scenario additions to ensure that we need to work at that level.21:33
Sukhdevmlavalle: Be sure include some multi-node scenario tests as well21:33
mlavallemarun: more than welcome21:33
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mesterymlavalle: Please propose your sessions here and we'll make sure it gets a slot.21:34
mlavallemestery: will do. that's all I have21:34
mesterymarun: Are you going to propose any functional testing sessions as well? I think those would be good to talk about as well.21:34
mesterythanks mlavalle!21:35
marunmestery: Yes, I will be proposing one or more sessions on testing, including functional testing.21:35
mesterymarun: OK, thanks!21:35
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mestery#topic L321:35
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mesterycarl_baldwin: hi!21:35
carl_baldwinmestery: hi21:35
mesterycarl_baldwin: Looks like you have some updates for us?21:36
carl_baldwinContinued progress in a few areas.  DVR is getting WIP in to gerrit.  L2 and L3 agent changes soon to come.21:36
carl_baldwinAlso have made progress with root wrap performance issue.  Also in review in gerrit.21:36
mesterycarl_baldwin: Fantastic! Those are critical to us closing the nova-network gap, so this is great to see!21:36
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carl_baldwinThis week we began investigation in to multiple subnets on external network and discussion.  Will continue in this week's meeting.21:37
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salv-orlandocarl_baldwin: is the plan still to address E-W traffic first, and then N-S?21:37
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carl_baldwinsalv-orlando: both are being addressed.21:38
salv-orlandook cool21:38
carl_baldwinAlso continue dynamic routing use case discussion for possible summit topic.21:38
Sukhdevcarl_baldwin, mestery: any thought on ML3? - Perhaps a design session to open discussion?21:38
Swamisalv_orlando: We are planning to address both East-West and North-South21:39
mesterySukhdev: I owe carl_baldwin an agenda item for the L3 meeting to discuss this, yes.21:39
markmcclaincarl_baldwin: +1 to bgp speaker discussion21:39
carl_baldwinSukhdev: I'd love to know more about ML3.21:39
salv-orlandoSukhdev: Isn't this what you're looking for:
mesterysalv-orlando: Yes, that session from pcm_ is along those lines.21:39
marunoff topic, but I'd like to see us avoid ML2 for other functions21:40
marunIt should simply be a framework within neutron, as ml2 will eventually become21:40
salv-orlandothe outcome from icehouse summit re bgp was that no action was required for neutron ;)21:40
Sukhdevsalv-orlando: yes - something like this…thanks for the link - was not aware of this21:40
salv-orlandoI remember I led that session discussion21:40
mesterysalv-orlando: :)21:40
emaganaI believe we should move Neutron in a entire Services Framework  but it is just me and my crazy world!21:41
carl_baldwinsalv-orlando: Could you do read through of the use cases on the wiki?  Linked from the l3 agenda page.21:41
salv-orlandobut I think it's ok to discuss it again… after all we've been discussing what emagana says for the past two years21:41
marunemagana: baby steps21:41
mesterysalv-orlando: Has it been two years? It feels older.21:41
salv-orlandojust the advanced services insertion steering chaining and whatever21:42
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maruncan of worms?  apologies21:42
carl_baldwinML3 / L3 vendor plugins is something that we can add to the agenda.21:42
emaganawe are all getting old!21:42
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mesterycarl_baldwin: Thanks! If you put that on your agenda this week, we should send email to the ML alerting folks that we'll discuss it there.21:42
carl_baldwinI will do that.21:43
carl_baldwinThanks mestery that is all I have to report.21:43
mesterythanks carl_baldwin!21:43
Sukhdevcarl_baldwin: please do….thanks21:43
mestery#topic IPv621:43
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mesterysc68cal: Any updates this week?21:43
markmcclainmestery: sc68cal is offline, but I met with him today21:44
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mesterymarkmcclain: OK, thanks! I wasn't sure if the IPv6 section was updated or not.21:44
enikanorov_yamahata: cleaning keyboard? : )21:44
mesteryyamahata: Or perhaps a cat run across your keyboard!21:45
markmcclainnow that Juno is open resume work on host configuration backends21:45
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mesteryOK, thanks for the update markmcclain!21:45
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Sukhdevsalv-orlando: :-)21:46
mestery#topic Group Based Policy21:47
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mesterySumitNaiksatam: hi21:47
SumitNaiksatammestery: Hi21:47
SumitNaiksatamcan give a quick update21:47
mesterySumitNaiksatam: OK, thanks!21:47
SumitNaiksatamfew of us here who are working on fleshing out the model and working on a PoC21:48
SumitNaiksatammodel is mostly fleshed out21:48
SumitNaiksatamcurrently little more work needs to be done with respect to services’ insertion21:48
SukhdevSumitNaiksatam: are you in a position to share the model?21:48
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SumitNaiksatamSukhdev: already shared - #link
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mesteryOK, thanks for the update SumitNaiksatam!21:49
SumitNaiksatamthe latest WIP is here #link
SukhdevSumitNaiksatam: Thanks21:49
SumitNaiksatamwe have not merged it into the main document yet21:49
marunany plans to transition those docs to the new gerrit repo?21:49
SumitNaiksatamwe are also working in paralled on the policy model and policy enforcement code21:50
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marunHow are you planning on submitting this code to the tree?21:50
SumitNaiksatammestery: thats it from us, happy to answer questions21:50
mesterymarun: The new git repo for doc reviews is on my list of things to flesh out this week.21:50
mestery#topic Open Discussion21:50
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SumitNaiksatammarun: yes, pretty soon21:50
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SumitNaiksatammarun: it will be the regular gerrit review process21:51
marunSumitNaiksatam: I get that21:51
marunSumitNaiksatam: I'm wondering how the POC that has been worked on in github is going to be broken into reviewable chunks21:52
marunSumitNaiksatam: Or is the intent that it be small enough to review as a single patch?21:52
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SumitNaiksatammarun: currently, its not that large21:52
marunsorry, maybe should ask offline.  I'm sure there are better questions21:52
SumitNaiksatammarun: but its very much WIP21:52
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SumitNaiksatammarun: so havent yet figured out how or when to break it up21:53
mesterymarun: No worries, this is Open Discussion after all. :)21:53
SumitNaiksatammarun: earlier we were thinking two patches probably21:53
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marunSumitNaiksatam: Would like to see it WIP sooner than later, even if not final.21:53
marunSumitNaiksatam: makes it more accessible for everyone to see21:53
SumitNaiksatammarun: absolutely, that was the plan21:53
marunSumitNaiksatam: +121:53
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SumitNaiksatammarun: it has taken longer because the discussions on the model are still ongoing21:53
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marunSumitNaiksatam: I guess I'm not sure of the idea of trying to get to some 'good' state before review21:54
marunSumitNaiksatam: Because then fewer artifacts are in openstack-maintained infrastructure21:54
marunSumitNaiksatam: Not necessarily a concern just for group policy21:55
SumitNaiksatammarun: agreed21:55
marunSumitNaiksatam: rather I'd like to make sure we are working towards better process for introducing new capabilities21:55
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mesterymarun: I agree with that completely. I think the revamping of the BP process to use gerrit is moving us along those lines to be honest.21:55
SumitNaiksatammarun: probably a question for the PTL? ;-)21:55
markmcclainI thought the plan was to follow Nova's spec repo21:56
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marunthat's my hope too21:56
mesterymarkmcclain: Yes, it is.21:56
mesterymarkmcclain: I think we just need to make people aware of it and post some instructions for neutron folks to use.21:57
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marun…and then we can push back on patches whose bp's arent' maintained in the spec repo21:57
carl_baldwinmestery: +1 for a few instructions like how the repository will be laid out.21:57
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mesterymarkmcclain: Thanks for sharing. I'll update this for Neutron as well.21:58
mesteryAnd I'll send an email to the ML letting people know we've moved to this officially.21:58
carl_baldwinmarkmcclain: That link looks like a good start.21:58
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mesteryOK, we're almost out of time here for today.21:59
mesteryI'll stay on top of htis new BP process and send out instructions to the ML soon.21:59
mesteryPlease keep filing session ideas for the Juno Summit!21:59
mesteryThanks everyone!21:59
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emaganaemagana proposes a Neutron party in Atlanta that mestery should organize  :-)22:00
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marunemagana: ping22:00
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marunemagana: who's tasked with adding docs for nova - neutron notifications?22:01
emaganamarun: pong22:01
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emaganamarun: I am not familiar if there is a doc guy in nova22:01
emaganabut I can find out and let you know22:02
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emaganaotherwise it will be Diane Tom Anne, all the docs people22:02
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marunemagana: ok22:02
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marunemagana: Just making sure.  I've been talking to puppet and packstack (deployment tool) folks today about it since without explicit config nova and neutron don't play play nice anymore22:03
marunemagana: That suggest to me that documenting the configuration requirements would ideally be a priority over feature additions that aren't critical path.22:03
marunemagana: I apologize if that sounds presumptuous.22:04
emaganano it does not22:04
emaganathis is what we have fixed lately22:04
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emaganaI dont want to have a summit session for NEutron Docs but I will ask Kyle to repeat the message about config changes22:05
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marunemagana: That would be great.22:06
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marunemagana: The nova configuration options are already configured:
marunemagana: I checked the list of neutron configuration options and they aren't there yet.22:08
emaganamarun: it would be great if you can create bugs for all of them22:08
emaganafeel free to assign those ones to me22:08
emaganaI am good finding owners  :-)22:09
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emaganamarun: I need to leave now.. on my way to Red Hat Summit in S.F.   :-)22:09
marunemagana: ah, have a safe trip!22:09
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emaganamarun: are you in S.F. by any chace?22:10
marunemagana: the weather looks gorgeous, as it usually is when I go away.22:10
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marunemagana: I'm in canada for pycon this week22:10
emaganamarun: enjoy Montreal22:10
emaganamarun: ciao22:10
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marunemagana: ciao!22:10
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