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Guest84743well, that's nice13:02
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sc68calHello all13:57
SridharGHi sc68cal13:58
sc68cal#startmeeting neutron_ipv614:00
openstackMeeting started Tue Apr 15 14:00:11 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is sc68cal. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.14:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.14:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'neutron_ipv6'14:00
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SridharGhello all14:01
sc68cal#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Neutron-IPv6-Subteam#Agenda_for_April_15th today's agenda14:01
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sc68calSorry for the late e-mail announcing the agenda - but in the future if you know there is a topic you want to discuss - feel free to create the heading line in the wiki14:02
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sc68cal#topic blueprints14:03
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sc68caldo we have any new blueprints to discuss?14:04
baolisc68cal, as I eluded last time, I'm setting up ipv6-only management and data network14:04
sc68calIf not - we'll continue on14:04
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baoliso I may need a blueprint for that14:05
sc68calbaoli: OK - please do document it as you progress - either on the openstack wiki or the e-mail list?14:05
aveigabaoli: do you want to do that as a BP or a bug set?14:05
aveigayou might get more traction in reviews if it's a patch to a bug14:05
sc68calI know there is a bug in Nova that is lurking in the background for when you launch an instance with no ipv4 address14:05
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baolisc68cal, sure. I'm still experementing14:05
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xuhanpsc68cal, I added IPv6 snooping to the RA guard blueprint. I saw some similar work going on in IPv4 side.14:06
xuhanpand we may want to leverage Nachi's vif_security port attribute14:06
sc68calxuhanp: perfect. By the way tested your sec-group patch in our lab, for the subnet gateway14:06
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sc68caland works perfectly14:06
baoliHopefully, I can get something ready for a proposal this week if a bp is needed.14:07
xuhanpsc68cal, that's great! thanks for the information14:07
sc68cal#link http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/neutron-specs/ Neutron blueprints git repo14:07
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sc68calI think there is a github mirror too14:07
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sc68calany other blueprints to discuss?14:08
sc68calI will probably be adding blueprints in the next few weeks and submitting to gerrit14:08
sc68calfor work that I've been doing, to get the party started ;)14:09
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xuhanpsc68cal, should we move the existing BP to the gerrit now?14:09
aveigahas it opened?14:09
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sc68calis the BP for work that has been completed or is in progress?14:10
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xuhanpin progress or not started14:10
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sc68calI think it's worth considering - but I think we're probably still ahead of everyone else in considering. I'm just an enthusiastic early adopter14:11
sc68calso use your own judgement for now14:11
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sc68calbut don't forget - if you get a bp accepted (merged) you get ATC14:12
sc68caland stackalytics cred ;)14:12
xuhanpLOL.  I only saw one submitted:  https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/neutron-specs,n,z14:12
sc68calah, so yes looks like they're gearing up14:13
* sc68cal just added a +1 ;)14:13
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Shixiongwhat is ATC? :D14:15
ShixiongSorry for my ignorance14:15
sc68calactive technical contributor14:15
sc68calmeans you get free tickets to the summits14:15
aveigamore importantly it meas the community recognizes you as actively participating in a techical fashion14:16
zigoHi there, sorry, just finished another meeting.14:16
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ShixiongOh, I see14:16
sc68calzigo: welcome14:17
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Shixiongspeaking of summit, I will drive down to ATL in May. Anybody here goes there too? Maybe we can have a real party?14:17
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sc68calaveiga and I are presenting at the summit14:17
zigoShixiong: I hope to be there yes.14:17
ShixiongIt is good to have some face time14:17
baoliI will be there14:17
zigo(look for the one guy wearing Debian cloths, and it will probably be me...:P)14:18
Shixiongsc68cal and aveiga, you two have a speaking session there, right?14:18
xuhanpUnfortunately I cannot join :-(14:18
sc68calI also have registered design summit time too14:18
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sc68calI have planned to be very available at the summit to do in-person chats14:18
zigosc68cal: A design summit time for IPv6 discussions? Awesome!14:18
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aveiga#link http://openstacksummitmay2014atlanta.sched.org/event/71e17f7cebeb80498ddf074e521de981#.U00_8nWAY5I IPv6 in OpenStack Talk14:19
* aveiga ends shameless plug14:19
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sc68cal#topic code reviews14:20
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sc68calzigo had an e-mail which collected the majority of in-flight patches14:21
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zigosc68cal: Do you think you could work with SridharG to prepare a patch set?14:21
zigoI'm ok to add such a patch set to the Debian Icehouse release.14:21
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sc68calzigo: I have a patchset that works for icehouse, if you are using an upstream router that does RAs14:22
sc68caldocumentation will be forthcoming14:22
zigoThough I wont be available just right after the 18th (day of the release).14:22
zigosc68cal: Where can this be downloaded?14:22
sc68calwe will publish it on the Comcast fork of Neutron on github14:22
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SridharGsc68cal: I'm working on the patch set for Zigo. Can you share your current patch set for upstream router?14:22
sc68calsorry - was using the royal "we" - I mean I14:23
zigosc68cal: I would like to have a *patch set*, not just a github URL to clone from.14:23
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sc68calzigo: I understand. Github has a way to create patch sets from URLs - so my plan was to do a compare URL and tack on a .patch to it14:23
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zigoSo that I can keep each individual patch within debian/patches, with the Debian DEP3 patch header containing the Origin: upstream, http://review.openstack.org/<number> fields, so that I can *track* patches and eventually update them.14:23
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sc68calthen keep an eye on this one14:24
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aveigaI think it might be good to point out that such a patchset wouldn't be officially supported as OpenStack hasn't accepted the majority of these patches as valid yet14:25
sc68calbut this stuff is highly experimental at this point14:25
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sc68cal+1 to what aveiga says14:25
sc68calso I'm not sure if you want to fold this into the debian package of openstack14:25
zigosc68cal: Frankly, I wont have time to work on the patchset myself, but it'd be great if you guys could work it out with SridharG.14:25
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zigoI agree.14:25
zigoBut what should be done is make sure I get backports of *features* which will be there for Juno.14:26
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zigoSo that, from a user point of view, we have continuity.14:26
sc68calzigo: OK. Can either you or SridharG or Sylvian (sp?) help develop?14:26
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sc68calwe have a lot of work that needs to be done for Juno and we can always use more devs14:27
zigoI do maintain all of OpenStack packages in Debian, so I don't have time to do actual development, I just do some bug fixes here and there, and don't have time for more.14:27
zigoSridharG and Sylvain can, yes.14:27
zigoSridharG: Can you confirm?14:27
SridharGsc68cal: I'm in for any IPV6 development as Zigo mentioned.14:27
sc68calperfect. I hope that we can also get Sylvain on board as well14:28
sc68calI think the big thing we need to do is help Shixiong break up his patch into smaller pieces14:28
sc68calWe have a big problem with this line14:29
sc68calLine 34014:29
xuhanpsc68cal, I can also help with the breakdown.14:29
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sc68calThat's where we're going to have merge conflicts - so I was hoping to break that chunk out so that people could just add the switches for the v6 attributes14:29
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SridharGok, I can also look into the patch.14:30
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sc68cal#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/70649/ Shixiong's patch14:31
xuhanpsc68cal, this sounds like a good plan14:31
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SridharGsc68cal: I have few questions reg' IPV6, will use the Open Discussion time for the questions.14:31
sc68calSridharG: thanks14:32
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sc68cal#topic bugs14:32
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sc68calany bugs to discuss?14:33
xuhanpsc68cal, I've opened a small bug for ipv6 mode validation and added you to the review list.14:33
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xuhanp#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/87435/14:33
SridharGxuhanp: which bug?14:33
SridharGxuhanp: ok14:34
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xuhanpright now the ipv6 mode can still be specified when ip version is 414:34
aveigaxuhanp: mind if I follow this as well? I can provide some insight here14:34
xuhanpaveiga, I can add you to the review. thanks!14:34
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SridharGRecently there was patch to hide the ipv6 attributes which got merged.14:36
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aveigabaoli: have you run into any specific bits of the v6-only management layer that aren't working?14:36
SridharGdoes it mean that after code opens for Juno, it would be reverted back?14:36
aveigaI was wondering if it would be good to tag them as bugs14:36
aveigaSridharG: it's there because the attrs exists but don't have backing14:37
aveigait will be reverte for Juno once we provide the functionality14:37
baoliaveiga, I didn't try neutron meta-data which most likely not working14:37
SridharGaveiga: aah ok. Thanks.14:37
aveigaI think it might be a good idea to mark them as bugs.  Maybe others can pick up some of the fixes if they're against other projects14:37
aveigaalso the code has a better chance to merge as a bugfix14:38
baoliaveiga, I used devstack, so some changes are made there to make the configuration right14:38
aveigaI'd be willing to give this a shot in a prod-like lab14:38
aveigaif you had specifics in that config, can you publish them?14:38
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sc68cal+1 - please do pubilish them14:38
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baoliaveiga, I was about to mention that I'm going to push the changes in devstack as a WIP patch for now. hrzbrig is asking for it from IRC14:39
sc68calbaoli: awesome - I'll +1 it :)14:40
baolisc68cal, aveiga, thanks14:40
sc68calI have a branch of DevStack that we use for the lab14:40
sc68calneed to update it to pass in the lla gateway - thanks to xuhanp ;)14:41
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baolisc68cal, will take a look14:42
sc68cal#topic open discussion14:42
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SridharGMay i know what is the current status of FWaaS w.r.t IPV6?14:43
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sc68calexcellent question - to which I have no idea14:43
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sc68calI know that security groups for v6 works fine - so hopefully the same thing for fwaas14:44
aveigaI don't know if they've really looked at it yet14:44
aveigabut if they take the same inputs from neutron like port, and host address, it should be ok14:44
aveigawe pass the addr as a string in json14:44
aveigaand we are properly building the address at this point14:45
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SridharGaveiga: true. Security Groups for V6 looks good.14:45
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SridharGI have a question regarding Floating IP addresses. Since we will not be doing any NAT for IPV6 addresses and the GUA generated by clients (via SLAAC/DHCPV6) can be directly used by the clients as Public IPs, is floating ip address support required for IPV6 addresses?14:46
aveigawe currently don't support it14:46
aveigawe're mulling over methods to do so14:46
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sc68calI think it might be worth discussing on the mailing list14:46
aveigathere might still be a need for a statically-reserved address space for some systems, so we need to get there14:46
aveigabut at this point we're trying to get basic functionality in first14:46
SridharGaveiga: May be for LBaaS kind of features we might need Floating IPs. Does it make sense over there?14:47
sc68cal#info IPv6 - floating-ip like functionality14:48
aveigalet's take it to the ML14:49
aveigathere's a lot of different ways to pull it off14:49
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SridharGone more question :-)14:52
SridharGWhat is currently possible with OpenStack for IPV6?14:52
sc68calthat's a big question - could you be more specific?14:53
SridharGI could see that we can bring up VMs using Provider Networks with IPV6 - this works.14:53
aveigathat's where it ends14:53
SridharGwhat are the other main features we can say that they will be supported in IceHouse14:53
aveigawe have no way to issue an RA right now14:53
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aveigabut SGs work14:53
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SridharGyeah I agree SG works.14:54
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aveigaI'm fairly certain config-drive is working with v614:54
aveigabut the actual list of official support right now is nil14:54
SridharGFWaaS VPNaaS LBaaS are something to be looked into closely.14:55
aveigawe need to finish the basics first14:55
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aveigaand let's not make the perfect the enemey of the good14:55
SridharGaveiga: true. I was just listing areas which can trigger some blueprints in IPV6.14:56
aveigawe'll need to get them in as well14:56
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sc68calAlright everyone, I'll give everyone back two minutes14:58
sc68calsee everyone on the mailing list and next week14:58
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bauzas#startmeeting gantt15:00
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bauzaswoah, 15:00:0015:00
bauzashi all15:00
bauzasn0ano is not able to attend this meeting, handovering it15:00
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bauzaslet's wait a few 5 mins to get people in15:01
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bauzaswho's here to talk about Nova scheduler?15:03
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bauzasmspreitz: :)15:04
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bauzasseems like the room will be crowdy15:04
bauzasok, starting then15:04
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bauzas#topic Follow-up on previous actions15:05
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bauzas#link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/gantt/2014/gantt.2014-04-08-15.01.html15:05
bauzasthere were 3 actions15:05
bauzasI had no news from n0ano15:05
* johnthetubaguy is lurking15:05
bauzaswill chase with him15:05
bauzasabout creating an etherpad for ATL sessions15:06
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bauzas#action bauzas to discuss with n0ano to see if etherpad about ATL sessions on Sched is already created15:06
bauzason my side, I had 2 actions15:06
bauzasthe last one (chairing the meeting) is currently running :)15:07
bauzasabout creating a top wiki page for Gantt15:07
bauzas#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Gantt15:07
bauzasthat's a placeholder at the moment15:07
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bauzascontent to come in :)15:07
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bauzasthe etherpad for ATL sessions will be placed there15:08
mspreitzsome wiki pages are linked as children of others; is this one, in any way, linked under Nova?15:08
bauzaswell, the bbcode is about subpages of Gantt/15:08
bauzasmspreitz: but we can add other references15:09
mspreitzCompare with https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Heat/AutoScaling15:09
mspreitzit points to its parent, Heat15:09
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bauzasoh, I got your point15:09
mspreitzand its parent should point back to that child (among the others)15:09
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bauzaswell, Gantt stands by itself15:10
bauzasbut we can link it to Nova some way15:10
mspreitzWe want it to, but I think Nova should point to it15:10
bauzasok, will see what I can do15:10
mspreitzthis is, in part, a point-in-time statement15:10
bauzas#action bauzas to link Gantt wiki namespace with Nova one15:10
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mspreitztoday, Gantt is really a creature of Nova15:10
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bauzasmspreitz: +115:11
mspreitzwith grander ambitions15:11
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bauzaswell, frankly speaking, there is no Gantt code yet15:11
bauzasthere is at some point a Gantt repo, containing old Nova fokr15:11
bauzasbut that's it15:12
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bauzasthe idea of this wiki page is to wrap all content around Gantt, not only on an etherpad :)15:12
toan_tran|2bauzas: well, it's not a problem so far if Gantt is totally separated15:12
bauzasindeed, that's pure seam15:12
bauzasI mean, all docs should be placed there, including etherpads, even if all efforts are currently under Nova hood15:13
toan_tran|2bauzas: +115:13
mspreitzbauzas: +115:13
bauzasok cool15:13
bauzasok, moving to the next topic then15:14
bauzas#topic Status on forklift efforts15:14
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bauzasand again, some links...15:14
bauzas#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/82133/15:14
bauzasreviews are welcome here :)15:14
bauzasthe idea is to define exactly what should be done and how15:15
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bauzasI'm considering only changes to Nova code but Scheduler15:15
toan_tran|2right now there are a lot of things overlapping between Nova and Oslo15:16
bauzasI also have to open another blueprint for changes inside the Scheduler, but that's another thing15:16
bauzastoan_tran|2: which ones ?15:16
toan_tran|2should we take this chance to split them out?15:16
johnthetubaguybauzas: are you feeling happy with that now, is there some stuff you are particuarly worried about?15:16
bauzasjohnthetubaguy: there was a misunderstanding with russellb15:16
toan_tran|2I don't remember exactly, but I remember hearing Jay Lau discussing on it in the MLK15:17
bauzasjohnthetubaguy: but I hope this is now resolved15:17
bauzastoan_tran|2: mmm15:17
toan_tran|2like the weights15:17
bauzastoan_tran|2: oh ok15:17
toan_tran|2something about weight_multiplier15:17
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bauzasjohnthetubaguy: will create second BP for chasing up changes to do on scheduler15:17
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bauzastoan_tran|2: won't be in the scope of https://review.openstack.org/#/c/82133/15:18
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johnthetubaguybauzas: that sounds good, stuff for juno-2 I guess15:18
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bauzasjohnthetubaguy: what fits for juno-2 sorry ?15:19
bauzasjohnthetubaguy: bp/scheduler-lib ?15:19
johnthetubaguyI am thinking scheduler-lib for juno-1, follow up stuff for juno-2?15:19
bauzasjohnthetubaguy: oh ok, huge +2 here15:19
russellbdid you split up the spec into 2 now?  or?15:19
bauzasrussellb: o/15:20
russellblooks like it wasn't split15:20
bauzasrussellb: sorry, but can't see why it needs to be split15:20
russellbi still think this spec is including 2 separate things15:20
russellbthere are 2 distinct things mentioned in the introduction15:20
russellb1) need to isolate how you talk *to* the scheduler15:20
russellb2) need to isolate what the scheduler talks to (nova db or whatever)15:21
russellbthose are completely separate concerns in my mind15:21
bauzasrussellb: well, 2) is not that15:21
russellband this spec mixes them, and calls it a library15:21
russellb17In this blueprint, we need to define in a clear library all accesses to the15:21
russellb18Scheduler code or data (compute_nodes DB table) from other Nova bits (conductor15:21
bauzasrussellb: we don't want to change what scheduler talks to15:21
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russellb19and ResourceTracker).15:21
bauzasResourceTracker directly writes updates to compute_nodes15:22
bauzasrussellb: we're just isolating it thru the sched lib15:22
russellband you're defining that as data the scheduler owns?15:22
russellbthis wording is better this time15:22
mspreitzfrom where are these numbers coming?15:22
russellbthat wasn't clear to me before ...15:22
bauzasmspreitz: Gerrit copy/paste15:22
russellbmspreitz: ignore them, just copied from gerrit15:22
mspreitzgot it15:22
bauzasrussellb: well, I'm sorry, I don't know how to be more precise :(15:23
russellbbauzas: no it's better now, sorry15:23
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russellbbauzas: until looking this time i thought you were changing internals of the scheduler, as well15:23
bauzasrussellb: oh ok15:23
bauzasrussellb: sorry about that, I was unclear15:24
bauzashence L2115:24
russellband i'm picky :)15:24
russellbso sorry ;)15:24
russellbbut OK, i think we're much closer now, i'll do another pass on this today15:24
bauzasrussellb: ok cool15:24
russellbi'm sure your intent was right/good the whole time, i'm just really picky to make sure we're clearly on the same page about it, so picky about how/what is written15:25
bauzasrussellb: I was just saying that changes to the scheduler will be defined in another bp we target for juno-215:25
bauzasrussellb: thanks for jumping in now :)15:25
bauzasrussellb: I mean, that was appreciated15:25
bauzasok, so, I'm taking an action here15:25
bauzas#action bauzas to create another blueprint for changes to scheduler15:26
bauzascan we move forward and go to the next topic ?15:27
bauzas#topic Juno summit design sessions15:27
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bauzas#link http://summit.openstack.org/15:27
bauzasas said previously, we'll chase all proposals in an etherpad15:28
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bauzasat the moment, no review has yet been done on the proposals15:29
bauzasexcept http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/details/4515:29
bauzashttp://summit.openstack.org/cfp/details/45 has been refused15:29
bauzasit was about discussing how to manage reservations and scheduling in OS15:29
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bauzasso, I can invite people interested in discussing it in ATL to join15:30
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mspreitzI had not noticed that15:31
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mspreitzI think we need to continue the API discussion for joint-scheduling of a heterogenous group of VMs15:31
mspreitzThe description of 142 does not clearly include that, while 45 sounded inclusive15:32
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bauzasmspreitz: the #142 session is about how Climate can integrate Openstack15:32
mspreitzbauzas: exactly.  A more narrow scope than I read for #4515:32
bauzasmspreitz: indeed15:33
mspreitzI want to talk about something that is in 45 - 14215:33
mspreitzI'd like to talk about it today and see it discussed at the summit15:33
bauzasmspreitz: deadline for proposals is on April 20th15:33
mspreitzOK, sounds like I need to add one, since 45 has been narrowed to 14215:34
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mspreitzCan we also discuss it a bit today?  When we get to the open part of the agenda?15:34
bauzasmspreitz: there is another session which could help you15:34
bauzasmspreitz: http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/details/14015:35
bauzasmspreitz: please discuss it in the open part15:35
mspreitzyes, I saw that one too15:35
mspreitzbut I thought that was maybe too broad15:35
bauzasmspreitz: I'll jump on the next topic and we'll go back to your point after15:35
bauzasmspreitz: well, one is too narrow and the other one is too broad :)15:36
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bauzas#topic open discussion15:36
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bauzasnow you can talk15:36
mspreitzI want to discuss the next step for server groups15:36
mspreitzThat is, how to change the API to enable a joint decision to be made about a heterogenous group of VMs15:37
mspreitzI imagine a three phase API:15:37
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mspreitz(1) describe the VMs and scheduling constraints, get a joint decision made15:37
mspreitz(2) client then makes the calls to create the VMs15:38
mspreitz(3) after all the success, failures, wedges, and give-ups, the client calls back to the group to confirm that he is done15:38
mspreitz(3) is so that unused allocations can be released15:38
mspreitzwhat do you think?15:38
bauzasmspreitz: by server groups, you mean the same logic than with instance groups ?15:38
bauzasmspreitz: but dealing with hosts ?15:39
bauzasmspreitz: I mean computehosts15:39
mspreitzAFAIK, instance-grouop-api-extension deals with what are now called server groups15:39
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mspreitz"server" here means VM AKA instance15:39
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mspreitzI am talking about an evolutionary step forward from the current server group API15:40
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mspreitzthe current API leads to serial decision making15:40
bauzasmmm ok15:40
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bauzascorrect me if I'm wrong but there are anti-affinity and affinity policies with instance groups, correct ?15:41
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mspreitzBut current API allows only serial decision making --- no knowledge available about what else will be in the group in the future is available when making one scheduling decision15:42
bauzaswhat do you mean by "in the future" ?15:42
mspreitzah right15:42
bauzascould you provide a use-case ?15:42
mspreitzby "future" here I mean not what you would, I only refer to the span of time that phase (2) takes15:42
mspreitzUse case: you want to create a web server and a database server with affinity.  Today you have to create one first, and at that time there is no knowledge in scheduler that the second is really desired right now, and the first should be placed where there is room to put the second nearby15:43
toan_tran|2mspreitz: If I understand correctly, you mean we need to "memory" the group configuration15:44
mspreitzI mean the group config should be considered all at once in a joint decision making exercise15:44
toan_tran|2so that whenever you create a new server, scheduler can traceback in which (anti-)affinity it belongs to15:44
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mspreitzI mean to change the scheduling protocol, so the scheduler can see the whole group and make a decision about all of it at once15:45
bauzasmspreitz: but you can ask nova to boot 2 distinct VMs in a same group no ?15:45
mspreitzbauzas: yes. But today you have to create one after the other15:45
mspreitzI want to enable scheduling both in the same scheduler call15:46
bauzasmspreitz: but you can ask Nova to boot 2 VMs on a single call15:46
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mspreitzbauzas: only if they are homogenous15:46
bauzasmspreitz: ah right15:46
toan_tran|2mspreitz: I think I got you idea, right now we only hint the group and scheduler will place it depending which filter we use, Anti- or Affinity-15:46
toan_tran|2here you'll have the two policies altogether, so scheduler must know which policy to use15:47
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toan_tran|2is that tight?15:47
mspreitztoan_tran|2: I am not debating the policy, my point is that it would be better to apply the poliicy simultaneously and symmetrically15:47
bauzasmspreitz: do you have opened a blueprint for discussion here ?15:47
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mspreitzGary K, Yathi, Debo and I brought a BP to the last summit.  It should be revised to clearly say what I am saying now.15:48
mspreitzThe old BP is more ambitious15:48
bauzasmspreitz: indeed15:48
mspreitzI think I will write this narrower one15:48
bauzasmspreitz: I think I got your idea15:49
toan_tran|2mspreitz: that would definitely help15:49
mspreitztt: I think you are adding the concern about multipe and potentially conflicting policies.  That's an orthogonal issue, I think.15:49
bauzasmspreitz: but that requires to hold the scheduler decision for the first instance until the 2nd one comes in15:49
toan_tran|2mspreitz: that would be another issue that we can concern once the instance group is done15:49
mspreitzRight.  That's why I connected to your talk about reservations15:49
bauzasmspreitz: well, that's still ambitious :)15:50
mspreitzAnd remember phase (3), so unneeded reservations can be released soon if it is known they will not be used.15:50
bauzasmspreitz: I'm just thinking it would require both Heat and Nova interactions at least15:50
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johnthetubaguymspreitz: I do wonder if we should have "holistic scheduling" that makes reservations and then later create VMs for those reservations, maybe thats what you are suggesting?15:51
mspreitzbauzas: I think true scheduling (place + time), as you have been advocating, is a hard problem in itself...15:51
mspreitzthe sophisticated placement I have been talking about is also a hard problem itself...15:51
johnthetubaguyI mean holistic placement really, of course15:51
bauzasjohnthetubaguy: +115:51
mspreitzI can not recommend combining the two into an even harder problem15:51
mspreitzjohnthetubaguy: yes15:52
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bauzasmspreitz: another option would be to consider live migrating the first instance15:52
mspreitzI am trying to take this incrementally15:52
mspreitzBy "holistic" I also mean "more than Nova"...15:52
bauzasI mean15:52
toan_tran|2bauzas: that would introducing control + delays15:52
mspreitzWhat I am trying to talk about today is a small step: change server groups from serial to simultaneous decision making15:52
mspreitzI think the Nova part does not require any Heat interaction.15:53
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toan_tran|2me mention about "small stop"15:53
mspreitzHeat, as a Nova client, will of course have to have a way to use the new API15:53
bauzasmspreitz: but that requires to serialize the scheduling decision :D15:53
* toan_tran|2 mention about small stop15:53
bauzaswe're running out of time15:54
johnthetubaguymspreitz: can we take an even smaller step, create nova APIs to make reservations, and this can be outside of Nova, and in the scheduler?15:54
johnthetubaguymspreitz: so leaving VM groups just as it is today, for now15:54
bauzasjohnthetubaguy: hence the discussion about Climate integration then15:54
toan_tran|2johnthetubaguy: +115:55
mspreitzjohnthetubaguy: not sure I follow, can you send an outline on ML?15:55
johnthetubaguymspreitz: I will try do that, bug me if I forget15:55
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bauzasmspreitz: I think Climate could help, provided we see how it can be integrated within Openstack15:56
bauzasbut ok, let's discuss it outside this meeting15:56
bauzasany other opens to discuss ?15:56
mspreitzbauzas: Possibly, if Climate is factored.  As I said earlier, I think we have two hard problems that I do not want to combine15:56
bauzaswe're having 3 mins left15:56
bauzastic tac15:57
bauzasok, will close the meeting15:57
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bauzasmspreitz: still, I think Climate could help your need15:57
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mspreitzbauzas: that would be grat15:58
bauzasmspreitz: because we already have a reservation API15:58
bauzasthat would require a pluging15:58
bauzasand Sched could place a call to Climate15:58
mspreitzbauzas: pls remind me where to read about that15:58
bauzasto know the reservation content15:58
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bauzashttps://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Climate is a good entrypoint15:58
bauzasand https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Climate/REST_API15:59
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bauzaslet's finish discussing it in #openstack-nova15:59
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mspreitzactually I have to leave now, I want to read before responding more15:59
bauzasmspreitz: ok16:00
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primeministerp#startmeeting hyper-v16:02
openstackMeeting started Tue Apr 15 16:02:54 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is primeministerp. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.16:02
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primeministerpHi all16:03
primeministerpalexpilotti: hi there16:03
luis_hi primeministerp16:03
primeministerphi luis16:03
primeministerpluis_: how are things?16:03
primeministerpluis_: glad you made it16:03
primeministerpluis_: we can catch up on module stuff16:03
alexpilottihi guys!16:03
luis_perfect :)16:03
primeministerpalexpilotti: hey alex16:04
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primeministerpalexpilotti: figured we'd have some quick updates16:04
primeministerpalexpilotti: talk about puppet modules16:04
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alexpilottiprimeministerp luis_ hi guys, nice to see you!16:04
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primeministerpand then get back to the 90 other meetings16:04
primeministerpalexpilotti: do you want to start?16:05
alexpilottiwell, from here to the summit it’s the best time to collect suggestions for the next BPs16:05
primeministerp#topic blueprint ideas16:05
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alexpilottiAh, and since we have a new Nova PTL maybe it’s a good moment to catch up, if timezone permits16:05
alexpilottimikal: hi16:05
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alexpilottiin the meantime, let me fetch the looong list of blueprint ideas :-)16:06
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alexpilottido in random order:16:06
primeministerpwell the first i can think of is smb3 support in cinder16:07
primeministerpfor the cern folks16:07
alexpilottismb3, yep16:07
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alexpilottix509 auth16:07
alexpilottinova host power actions16:07
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alexpilottinova soft reboot16:07
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alexpilottinova hyper-v clustering16:08
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alexpilottinova serial console16:08
alexpilottinova rescue16:08
primeministerpahh good one16:08
alexpilottinova get-disgnostics (v2)16:08
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alexpilottiHyper-V generation 2 VMs16:08
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alexpilottiok, I skipped the non Nova ones for now :-)16:09
primeministerpthat's fine16:09
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luis_sounds good :)16:09
primeministerpit's a start16:10
alexpilottiteh idea is to get them all together, gop to the summit, give them a priority and start the bp process16:10
alexpilottithe bp process changed btw16:10
primeministerpwe'll gauge the audience in atlanta16:10
primeministerpas well16:10
alexpilottinow we first have to submit a document in gerrit for each bp16:10
alexpilottiwhich is gonna be discussed by the Nova core folks and anybody else interested16:10
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alexpilottiand then once approved the usual implementation starts16:11
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primeministerpalexpilotti: perfecto16:11
alexpilottimy 2c, w/o the need of a crystal ball is that the cluster one will have a VERY hard life to pass :-D16:11
primeministerpwell, thing is there is customer demand16:12
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alexpilottiat least by looking at how the equivalent vSphere driver is mistreated… ;-)16:12
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alexpilottiluis_: are you gonan be at the summit?16:12
luis_yes, this time16:12
luis_I'll go :)16:13
primeministerpluis_: great!16:13
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primeministerplet's move onto the puppet stuff16:13
primeministerpalexpilotti: thanks for your time16:13
alexpilottiI hope that in Paris we’ll see finally both you and Jose at the same time!16:13
alexpilottiprimeministerp: np!16:13
primeministerptopic #puppet16:14
primeministerp#topic puppet modules16:14
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primeministerpluis_: so I still owe you a ton of commits16:14
luis_hehe, no problem :)16:14
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primeministerpbtw i have vijay starting to look into implementing the testing16:14
luis_primeministerp, cool :)16:14
primeministerpwe need to get everthing atomically tested16:15
luis_I think the testing part is the one we have to improve16:15
primeministerpso we have a ton of infrastructure stuff going on16:15
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primeministerpin terms of adding more nodes16:15
primeministerpbetter hardware16:15
primeministerpthat is all in process now16:16
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primeministerpadditionally it will allow us to put these tests on that same infra16:16
primeministerpor a subset of it16:16
primeministerpand start testing all modules on commit16:16
primeministerpat least that's the goal16:16
primeministerpso much work though16:17
luis_it's a good one, I'll help as much as possible :)16:17
primeministerpare there critial ones I need to review16:17
primeministerpif possible16:17
primeministerpcould you send me a list16:17
primeministerpand I'll get to it this week16:17
luis_I'll review what's pending and I'll update you16:17
primeministerpanything else?16:18
luis_I want to draft a first version of the cinder module... as I have to do some tests with cinder I'll do it with puppet16:18
primeministerpthe space is there for you already16:18
luis_apart from that,... if I have time... write more tests for the rest16:18
primeministerpi believe16:19
luis_yes, it's there16:19
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primeministerpwe're going to be doing a from source16:19
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primeministerpsooner than later16:19
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primeministerpmight be helpful for your packaging16:19
primeministerpnot sure if you saw the oneget news16:20
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primeministerponeget is the new package mgmt layer that will eventually be shipping in windows16:20
primeministerpideally it will do all native types16:20
primeministerpit supports chocately today16:20
luis_oh cool16:21
primeministerpit will get there16:21
primeministerpbut it's early, they just announced it at build16:21
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luis_it's good news anyway... wee need that16:21
primeministerplet's plan on discussing smb3 in atlanta16:22
primeministerpand I'll plan on ordering some shirts16:22
primeministerpi owe you a couple16:22
luis_ok, perfect hehe :)16:22
primeministerpthat's all i have16:22
primeministerpthere probably will not be a meeting next week as I'll be travelling16:23
primeministerpI'll follow up w/ others16:23
luis_ok, I won't be available next week16:23
primeministerpand see if one will be required16:23
primeministerpthen I'll plan on cancelling it16:23
primeministerpthanks luis16:23
primeministerpcatch you in a couple weeks then16:23
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boris-42#startmeeting rally16:32
openstackMeeting started Tue Apr 15 16:32:42 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is boris-42. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.16:32
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boris-42hughsaunders ping16:32
boris-42kun_huang ping16:32
boris-42marcoemorais ping16:32
boris-42msdubov ping16:33
kun_huangboris-42 meeting?16:33
boris-42yep lol16:33
boris-42I just forgot=)16:33
hughsaundershey i thought meeting is in 30 mins.. walking at the moment, available properly in ~1516:34
boris-42hughsaunders oh16:34
boris-42hughsaunders fuuuu16:34
boris-42hughsaunders you are right=)16:34
boris-42not a rally meeting #endmeeting16:35
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openstackboris-42: Error: A meeting name is required, e.g., '#startmeeting Marketing Committee'17:03
boris-42#startmeeting rally17:03
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boris-42hughsaunders msdubov marcoemorais olkonami kun_huang meeeitng time17:03
msdubovboris-42, hi17:03
marcoemoraisboris-42: hi17:04
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boris-42hey everybody17:08
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boris-42okay let's start17:08
boris-42marcoemorais first off all gratz17:09
boris-42marcoemorais with splitting scenarios=)17:09
marcoemoraisboris-42: cool, thx for the reviews17:09
boris-42#topic tempest integration17:09
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boris-42olkonami and Andrey were hard working17:09
boris-42to make this possible17:09
hughsaundersthanks to both :)17:10
boris-42now we should review everything)17:10
hughsaundersfirst patch has just gone in17:10
boris-42hughsaunders oh you already reviewed=)17:10
boris-42hughsaunders btw it pass all tests?17:10
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boris-42hughsaunders nice going to test17:11
boris-42olkonami well done!=)17:11
boris-42so other 2 patches add support of benchmarking with any of tests from tempest17:12
boris-42marcoemorais msdubov you could also help with reviewes17:12
boris-42to speed up process17:12
marcoemoraisboris-42: ack17:12
msdubovboris-42 Sure also started doing that17:12
msdubovboris-42 I had one concern whether the Tempest context should be a hidden one17:13
boris-42msdubov oh yes17:13
boris-42msdubov agree17:13
boris-42so after we merge these 2 patches we will be able to say that we finished tempest configuration17:14
boris-42to mailing list woohoo=)17:14
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boris-42olkonami do you have anything to say?17:14
olkonamijust thanks for reviews and test those patch =)17:15
boris-42olkonami okay nice=)17:15
boris-42olkonami I think I will find you more interesting task=)17:15
boris-42olkonami then integration with tempest=)17:15
boris-42okay let's move to next topic17:15
boris-42#topic Rally as a Service17:16
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boris-42today we started discussion about what we should do17:16
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boris-42#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/rally/+spec/api-base17:16
boris-42https://docs.google.com/a/pavlovic.ru/document/d/1lzo-UTI0Rg767WEzl42XdUYHBW7ZlpkARieJ_5E8Z_g/edit#heading=h.sjbn72b73o3c so we started this document17:16
boris-42and let me copy paste17:17
boris-42new arch diagram17:17
boris-42one sec17:18
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boris-42okay add diagram that we discussed today17:18
boris-42to that document17:18
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boris-42so key things that were discussed are next17:19
boris-421: we will have 4 different projects17:19
boris-421. rally (with web ui togther)17:19
boris-422. rally horizon pulgin (temporary project until it will be merged in horizon)17:19
boris-423. rally python client17:19
boris-424. rally-web-lib (common code related to horizon plugin and web ui)17:20
boris-422: we should put all logic from our current CLI to Rally Manager orchestrator (current orchestrator API)17:21
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boris-423: Orchestrator API should be OOP (and probably splited)17:21
boris-42and that's actually all that we discussed=)17:21
boris-42if somebody have any ideas or would like to take a part in discussion you are welcome=)17:22
boris-42hughsaunders msdubov marcoemorais olkonami aswadrangnekar ^17:22
boris-42any questions?)17:23
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msdubovboris-42 perhaps just add that one of the main ideas was to move all DB calls from the CLI to the Orchestrator17:23
aswadrangnekarboris-42: nothing as of now17:23
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boris-42msdubov yep we should add a lot of info to that document17:24
msdubovboris-42 agree17:24
boris-42I think 1.5-2 weeks for discussion17:24
boris-42and we will start implementation17:24
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marcoemoraisboris-42: inside of rally-as-a-service, what is this manager rpc api?17:25
boris-42marcoemorais so it's stuff that listen "rpc" and perform all operation by calling orchestrator17:26
boris-42marcoemorais let me explain on samle17:26
boris-42you would like to run "task start"17:26
boris-42it can work for a quite long period17:26
boris-42so API (controller) making async call to run task17:27
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boris-42to manager17:27
boris-42and manager works for some amount of time17:27
boris-42so controllers are going to be quite dummy17:28
marcoemoraisboris-42: ok yep, I get it17:28
boris-42just accept request17:28
boris-42and call sync/async manager17:28
boris-42and return result17:28
boris-42for such sync/async stuff we should have something=) and that something is manager=)17:28
aswadrangnekarboris-42: i guess it is same logic as used in nova / other projects ??17:29
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boris-42aswadrangnekar actually yes17:29
boris-42aswadrangnekar at least quite similar17:29
harlowja_hmmm, boris-42  sounds similar to https://blueprints.launchpad.net/taskflow/+spec/generic-flow-conductor17:30
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boris-42harlowja_ why not to use just oslo.messaging crap?)17:31
harlowja_no 3.317:31
harlowja_but maybe don't matter for u17:31
boris-42harlowja_ but in rally there is no 3.3 and 3.417:31
boris-42harlowja_ cause glance client is broken17:31
boris-42and we have it in requirements=017:31
harlowja_k, well oslo.messaging doesn't provide u a conductor/orchestrator though17:32
harlowja_*seems like thats what u are talking about here17:32
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boris-42okay this is long discussion probably not for meetings?)17:32
boris-42we just started that document17:32
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boris-42ideas are welcome imho17:32
marcoemoraisboris-42 aswadrangnekar harlowja_: in any case request to benchmark will return polling url, which client will use to get result of benchmark http://docs.openstack.org/api/openstack-compute/2/content/ChangesSince.html17:33
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boris-42marcoemorais bueee17:33
boris-42marcoemorais pooling urls are 90s17:33
boris-42marcoemorais at least in rally web ui we should try to make it on web sockets17:34
boris-42marcoemorais so seems like there will be huge discussion about this stuff17:35
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boris-42let's move on other interesting stuff17:35
hughsaundersboris-42 is from the future17:35
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boris-42hughsaunders lol=)17:36
mwagner_laphughsaunders, cyborg ?17:36
mwagner_laphuats, hopefully not a Terminator17:36
boris-42t-800 lol17:36
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boris-42don't write a bad code http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_KlPx_bSlcuc/TVCpzzz17zI/AAAAAAAAAVk/heRJXE8UCRw/s1600/t-1000.jpg !!17:38
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boris-42#topic 100k load17:39
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boris-42marcoemorais did you start thinking about it and current periodic runner?17:39
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marcoemoraisboris-42: yes, starting to use taskflow, need to meet with harlowja_17:40
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boris-42marcoemorais but what about just to improve current one?17:40
boris-42marcoemorais I mean I am interested in keeping pluggabillity17:41
boris-42marcoemorais but be able to run the same plugins form different host17:41
boris-42marcoemorais (that will be as well pluging)17:41
boris-42marcoemorais e.g. GrandRunner that run other runners lol17:41
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marcoemoraisboris-42: distributed benchmark will require agent running on all hosts used to generate load17:42
boris-42marcoemorais yep17:42
boris-42marcoemorais so I'm thinking about reusing our rally/deploy/serverproviders17:42
boris-42marcoemorais to this case as well17:42
hughsaunderscould ssh to other nodes and only run load generator for the duration of the benchmark17:43
hughsaundersso you don't need a permanent agent17:43
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boris-42hughsaunders it will be quite hard17:44
marcoemoraishughsaunders: kind of incomplete to say that, rally has to be deployed on the other hosts17:44
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boris-42hughsaunders to keep 1k open ssh connections17:44
boris-42hughsaunders from one host17:44
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marcoemoraishughsaunders: also messy for tracking17:44
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boris-42so agents are ok I think here..17:45
hughsaunderscommunication via AMQP?17:45
boris-42hughsaunders yep17:45
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boris-42hughsaunders there will be a lot of tasks17:45
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boris-421. storing all this data17:46
boris-422. collecting it17:46
boris-423. sending context to all runners17:46
boris-42as well it will be nice to have "abort" command17:46
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boris-42and we should as well take care about does actually all runners works from all nodes?)17:47
boris-42hughsaunders ^ so I think agents will be not so simple=)17:47
hughsaundersboris-42: that does sound non-trivial17:47
mwagner_lapare we targetting specific OS for the targets ? soltion needs to take that into account17:47
marcoemoraisboris-42 hughsaunders agent should be able to sanity check & update host it is running on17:47
boris-42marcoemorais nope17:48
boris-42marcoemorais at least it should work on centos/ubunt17:48
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hughsaunderscould supply agent in a venv?17:48
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boris-42marcoemorais I think there should be some design doc17:49
boris-42marcoemorais before starting this work17:49
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boris-42okay next topic *17:50
boris-42#topic pre-processing of input args in task17:50
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boris-42marcoemorais what is the status?17:50
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marcoemoraisboris-42: working on your comments, will have more wip today17:50
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boris-42marcoemorais ok nice17:50
marcoemoraisboris-42: we agree to skip validation of flavor for image17:50
boris-42marcoemorais in processing step only17:51
boris-42marcoemorais but we should keep it in validation step17:51
marcoemoraisboris-42: yes, so if user does use name instead of id, they might have selected an invalid flavor17:51
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marcoemoraisboris-42: but for now we are accepting that17:52
boris-42marcoemorais nope17:52
boris-42marcoemorais as we were discussing at this moment we should process17:52
boris-42ad validation step (inside validation)17:52
boris-42and one more time process before running17:52
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boris-42at least that was my thoguths=)17:52
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boris-42in future I we will think how to align it with flavor/image context17:53
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marcoemoraisboris-42: so you mean "one more time process" do a re-validate following process?17:53
boris-42marcoemorais nope17:53
boris-42one sec17:54
marcoemoraisboris-42: better for me to push one more wip17:54
marcoemoraisboris-42: put the comments in the review17:54
boris-42marcoemorais so17:54
boris-42^ we should process here args to get ID of flavor and image17:54
boris-42and we should process arguments (before running benchmark)17:55
boris-42so in 2 places we will have processing of image and flavor objects17:55
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boris-42marcoemorais but WIP ar welcome17:56
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boris-42#topic open discussion17:57
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boris-42any ?)17:57
msdubovguys does anybody know whether there is an elegant way to suspend logs?17:57
hughsaundersmsdubov: suspend?17:57
msdubovI actually have this problem in my patch17:57
msdubovhughsaunders, temporarily17:57
msdubovI call Authenticate.keystone there17:58
msdubovjust to measure the average cloud response time17:58
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msdubovand I'd like to have no logs during this "helper" job17:58
boris-42msdubov send argument17:58
boris-42msdubov NOLOGS17:58
boris-42msdubov NOLOGS=TRUE+)17:58
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msdubovboris-42 seems to be dirty =(17:58
msdubovwill require lots of changes besides17:58
boris-42msdubov not sure that it requires a lot of changes17:59
msdubovboris-42 Ok will try to do it simply thi s way17:59
hughsaundersmsdubov: you could probabbly get the logger for the appropriate module and remove the handlers?17:59
hughsaundersuse try/finally or with to ensure they get added back again..17:59
msdubovhughsaunders, How should I remove the handlers?18:00
msdubovis there a special method?18:00
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boris-42msdubov store original LOG instance18:00
boris-42msdubov replace it18:00
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boris-42msdubov restore18:00
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boris-42so we should end meeting18:00
msdubovboris-42 Yep that's an option18:00
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dolphemayoung, bknudson, dstanek, jamielennox, morganfainberg, stevemar, gyee, henrynash, topol, marekd, lbragstad, joesavak, shardy, fabiog, fmarco76, nkinder: ping18:00
lbragstaddolphem: hey18:01
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bknudsondolphem: hi18:01
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dolphmmorganfainberg: forgot about that18:01
morganfainberg\o in either case18:01
mfischare we waving?  /o18:01
ayoungmfisch, or saluting18:01
morganfainbergmfisch, o\  i think i'm doing this wrong18:01
stevemarmfisch, why not18:01
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stevemar\o\ /o/18:02
dolphmmorganfainberg: looks like you're scratching your head18:02
dolphmstevemar: ++18:02
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morganfainbergdolphm, yeah18:02
morganfainbergayoung, i don.t even...18:02
dolphmayoung: is that a seagull?18:02
ayoungI've no idea18:02
ayoungI was going for Vulcan18:03
dolphm#startmeeting keystone18:03
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dolphm#topic icehouse coming soon18:03
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ayoungWinter is coming18:03
morganfainbergdolphm, winter is coming?18:03
dolphmi hope not18:03
morganfainbergayoung, damn it beat me to it18:03
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bknudsonwe just had winter. let's have some spring for once18:03
ayoungIn new England you can get all four seasons in one day18:04
dolphmthe RC seems to have settled down, we haven't had reason to open a new RC window, so our current RC will become stable/icehouse in < 48 hours18:04
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mfischit's going to snow here tomorrow18:04
stevemarit snowed here today :(18:04
morganfainbergawesome work everyone!18:04
ayoungTime to focuse on client reviews18:05
jamielennoxayoung: ++ :)18:05
dstanekit's snowing there right now18:05
bknudsonthere's several client reviews with +2 already -- https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/python-keystoneclient+label:CodeReview%253D2,n,z18:06
dolphmfwiw, there's a few icehouse-rc-potential bugs/fixes that we'll need to backport to stable/icehouse rather than milestone-proposed since we don't have an RC window open18:06
dolphm#topic Reminder: Design summit session proposals open until April 20th18:06
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dolphm#link http://summit.openstack.org/18:07
dolphmwe're at 24 proposals at the moment, with 8 timeslots available18:07
ayoung20 minutes per proposal18:07
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dolphmso there's going to be a lot of cuts & merges already, but if you're confident the current proposals miss something that's critical to discuss, you still have time to propose it!18:07
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ayoungI'm assuming the merges will be a topic for next week?18:08
stevemarno point in merging now when things can still be proposed18:08
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gyeesounds good, I presume we all need to vote on them before next week then?18:09
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dolphmonce the window for proposals is closed, i'll look to produce a draft schedule ASAP18:09
stevemargyee, i dont think there is a vote ...18:09
ayoungThere is one vote.  the PTLs18:09
topolI thought dolphm votes for all of us18:09
ayoungPTL's vote18:09
gyeestevemar, like adding our comments18:09
dolphmgyee: there's not really a vote, but your feedback is important :)18:09
ayoungdolphm, what say we go through the proposals and add comments like "merge this one with <id>"18:10
gyeedolphm, sure I'll add feedbacks18:10
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dolphmayoung: you're welcome to18:11
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dolphm#topic Oslo Liaison for Keystone18:12
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dolphm#link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-April/032498.html18:12
dolphmi haven't followed this conversation very closely -- who put this on the agenda?18:13
jamielennoxi did18:13
bknudsonI'm willing to sign up to be the liaison if we need one18:13
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topol+1 for bknudson18:13
jamielennoxthey are looking at holding weekly oslo meetings again, but it's at midnight for me18:13
dolphmfrom the wiki, "The liaison should be prepared to assist with writing and reviewing patches in their project as libraries are adopted, and with discussions of API changes to the libraries to make them easier to use within the project."18:13
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stevemarbknudson and morganfainberg are the ones usually on top of the oslo syncs18:14
dolphmso the liason also needs to attend a Friday 1600 UTC weekly meeting?18:14
* topol cant believe bknudson volunteered for this...18:14
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ayoungbknudson, I'm already the policy reviewer18:14
jamielennoxdolphm: i don't think it's a requirement - but i'd suspect it's useful18:14
dstaneki'll do it if nobody else wants to or can attend the meetings18:14
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ayoungI'd be comfortablwe with either of you guys18:15
lbragstad+1 I second that18:15
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topolwho wants it???18:15
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gyeebknudson is the starter and the rest of us are in the bullpen :)18:15
dolphmshould we vote on bknudson vs dstanek? lol18:16
bknudsonif I'm not the liaison I'll be happy to do the reviews18:16
ayoungbknudson, primary, dstanek alternate?18:16
* topol like volunteering to be the caddy for Judge Shmeals in Caddyshack18:16
ayoungsince bknudson spoke first18:16
dstanekayoung: that sounds good to me18:16
bknudsonok, I'll update the wiki page18:17
dolphmmorganfainberg: btw, you almost got voluntold by stevemar18:17
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stevemari'm learning from topol18:17
* gyee is looking up voluntold18:17
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ayoungstevemar, in order to  be able to do that you need to be in the volunteers chain of command18:17
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topolnah.. just act like you are18:18
dolphmtopol: +++18:18
morganfainbergdolphm, oh dear18:18
stevemartopol, kmows it18:18
morganfainbergstevemar, hey no volunteling me for things! :P18:18
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ayoungmorganfainberg, too late18:18
dolphmwell that was easy18:18
dstanekmorganfainberg: you just opened the flood gates18:18
morganfainbergayoung, heh18:18
bknudsonmy first official act as oslo liaison -- please review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/83966/18:19
dolphmbknudson: thank you for your volunteerism!18:19
bknudsondstanek is exempt from the request because he already reviewed it18:20
dstaneknice, usually i'm the one late to the party18:20
topolbknudson, thats a biggie compared to most of the oslo syncs18:20
ayoungCan we please stop the copy-paste-MADNESS!18:21
topolI was hoping for the two line change :-)18:21
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bknudsontopol: this is a full sync of everything we use in oslo-incubator18:21
bknudsonand gets rid of things we don't use18:21
topolbknudson, gotcha18:21
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stevemarayoung, what copy paste madness?18:21
bknudsonayoung: I'll bring your concerns to the oslo group... I think that's the plan though18:21
ayoungwhen did we start using threadgroup?18:22
morganfainbergbknudson, ++ on removing things we're not using18:22
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bknudsonayoung: I think things got brought in due to the crazy deps between projs.18:22
morganfainbergi greatly look forward to the no-more-copy-paste days of oslo18:22
morganfainbergbut i think it's a long ways off18:22
bknudsonit might have come from rpc18:22
dolphmbknudson: merge failed18:22
dolphm#topic open discussion18:22
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ayoungbknudson, ugh18:22
bknudsondolphm: will work on it... must have picked up another change.18:22
morganfainbergdolphm, LOL at your comment.18:22
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jamielennoxi have one: https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-keystoneclient/+bug/130297018:23
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1302970 in python-keystoneclient "middleware provides no way to know if a catalog is v2 or v3" [High,Triaged]18:23
jamielennoxHas everyone seen this and/or have a good idea how to solve it18:23
jamielennox(came up again now in channeL)18:23
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bknudsoncan auth_token convert to v2?18:23
dolphmjamielennox: you see this in nova if you switch auth_token to v318:23
jamielennoxdolphm: yep18:24
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dolphmbknudson: sort of, with a bunch of edge cases18:24
jamielennoxthere are others that either have the same problem or should do and skip it18:24
dolphmthat are unsolveable18:24
ayoungjamielennox, we have logic in the provider that tests18:24
ayoungtoken provider18:24
ayoungthat tests the token for v2/v3 ness18:24
bknudsoncould middleware provide a service catalog object?18:24
bknudsonalso, should middleware be requesting no catalog?18:24
ayoungand that logic is getting ported to the client in the revoke code18:24
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jamielennoxbknudson: it could - long term i would like it just to provide a session18:25
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jamielennoxbknudson: but so far everything that we pass via auth_token is a string in a header18:25
bknudsonjamielennox: I like that idea.18:25
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jamielennoxbknudson: nocatalog is useful for actually authenticating the auth_token admin user - i don't think so beyond that18:26
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bknudsonI guess there are times where a catalog might be useful -- e.g., nova talks to neutron using the user's token, so it should get the neutron endpoint from that token.18:26
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jamielennoxbknudson: right - that's what we've been telling people to do for ages18:27
dolphmthe idea behind nocatalog is that we would shrink token sizes, while providing the catalog through a separate call, e.g. GET /v3/catalog18:27
morganfainbergbknudson, especially if we want to eventually do things like enforcing endpoint usage based upon catalog18:27
morganfainbergbknudson, but ... i would say there is a fine line between if that is where we want to go.18:27
jamielennoxso we *can* convert the v3 token to a v2 catalog which i guess we probably should for the short term18:27
ayoungcatalog should be in the token, but it should be a subset of hte endpoints:  only those that the token is valid on18:27
dolphmso auth_token could still provide a catalog, even if all tokens are generated & validated with nocatalog18:27
jamielennoxbut it's not a great solution18:27
morganfainbergayoung, doesn't solve token size issues.18:27
ayoungmorganfainberg, different issue18:28
bknudsonwe could have GET /v3/catalog with X-Subject-Token18:28
jamielennoxayoung: ++18:28
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ayoungmorganfainberg, token size was postponed due to cutting data out of the catalog18:28
ayoungso we get a little breathing room there18:28
morganfainbergayoung, ah right18:28
ayoungI need to close the loop on compression, though18:28
dolphmbknudson: that'd work18:28
ayoungand tyhat is going to be  Juno thing18:28
jamielennoxbknudson: but that doesn't solve how do we provide it to services18:28
morganfainbergayoung, we could also make the services get a list of endpoints and have the token provide endpoint ids.18:29
morganfainbergayoung, rather than encoding all the data (long term) in the token. with a large enough set of cataloged endpoints, we will still (Even with compression) run into issues with the size18:29
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dolphmmorganfainberg: that's intruiging...18:29
morganfainbergand someone will want a bunch of endpoints... especially if we end up doing the service scoped tokens.18:29
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ayoungmorganfainberg, ++18:30
morganfainbergsince it opens the catalog to non-OS things18:30
dstanekmorganfainberg: ++18:30
ayoungcreatre a n "endpoints" collection separate from the service catalog, only has ids in it18:30
morganfainbergayoung, yep.18:30
topolmorganfainberg so whats the flow on your approach? First ask for what and then get what after that?18:30
dolphmmorganfainberg: you *could* extend pattern to "tokens only contain ID's" -- you have to GET and cache what all the actual objects are if you care about other attributes18:30
ayoungwon't work if you want to say "all endpoins for this service"18:30
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dolphmtokens would be as small as possible18:31
bknudsonjamielennox: my proposal for that we provide a best-effort v2 catalog if we get a v3 under the normal catalog key, then have a new v3_catalog key with the v3 catalog18:31
morganfainbergdolphm, that was where i was eventually going18:31
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morganfainbergayoung, we could some up with a nomenclature for that.18:31
ayoungmorganfainberg, I could see something like  a collection of services, and each with either a specific endpoint or a wildcard18:31
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morganfainbergayoung, yep.18:32
ayoungspecific set of endpoints, I guess18:32
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bknudsonjamielennox: and then we actually have to work with the other projects to get their code using the v3_catalog18:32
jamielennoxbknudson: i think we have to do a best-effort v2, i don't want to do a v3_catalog specifically but something where you can tell / use ServiceCatalog.factory() on directly to query18:32
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morganfainbergwith the move to ephemeral tokens i am expecting token versioning to split from API versions, this would be part of token v418:32
bknudsonjamielennox: I like that, too.18:32
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jamielennoxbknudson: i'm always trying to stay wary of not having to do this again if we go to a v4 token format18:32
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morganfainbergor something similar.18:33
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dolphmmorganfainberg: agree18:33
ayoungcan we inject a version into the older versions of the tokens?18:33
gyeewould it make more sense to solve the catalog problem in oslo then?18:33
morganfainbergayoung, we already do.18:33
morganfainbergayoung, or well we are supposed to.18:33
jamielennoxayoung: what do you mean version?18:33
dolphma version of what? the token itself?18:34
morganfainbergayoung, i'll make sure we do in the next few patches that do conversion towards ephemeral tokens18:34
jamielennoxgyee: no, this is a keystone issue and should be solved in keystoneclitn18:34
morganfainbergdolphm, correct the token should have the token version embeded in it18:34
morganfainbergdolphm, it allows us (and services) to know what to expect when validating18:34
morganfainbergdolphm, notably we can test and gate on preventing token data creep18:34
morganfainbergdolphm, especially moving towards hyper-small tokens (ids only, yes i'm a fan of this even more now)18:35
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jamielennoxmorganfainberg: we had that and phased it out18:35
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morganfainbergjamielennox, we did?18:35
dolphmID-only tokens would be significantly less compressible18:35
topolmorganfainberg, how do you cache the role grant info  if Ids only?18:35
morganfainbergjamielennox, no the token data would have only ids in it18:35
jamielennoxoh endpoint ids in the catalog18:36
morganfainbergdolphm, the idea would be that compressions wouldn't be as important that way.18:36
dolphmtopol: the assignment relationship could still appear in the token, but the project name and role names would be excluded, and you'd have to GET them separately18:36
morganfainbergjamielennox, correct, and move as much towards id-only for anything in the token data.18:36
dolphmmorganfainberg: *as* important, but still beneficial!18:36
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morganfainbergdolphm, yep.18:36
jamielennoxmorganfainberg: i'd be interested to see how far you wouuld want that to go - with roles and other things18:37
topoldolphm, are the names so long its worth requiring an extra round trip to get those?18:37
dolphmjamielennox: why not all the way?18:37
morganfainbergtopol, it falls into the category of only putting relevant data in the token18:37
dolphmtopol: but it's a cacheable round trip18:37
jamielennoxdolphm: i mean what does that entail? not providing username and details just a user_id?18:37
morganfainbergtopol, is there a reason to put the name in there?18:37
dolphmjamielennox: right18:37
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jamielennoxdolphm: that would break on any sort of federated case so user is out but interesting18:38
morganfainbergjamielennox, there is evaluation that needs to be done on any item that is ID only, but as far as we can possibly take it18:38
topolmorganfainberg, not sure. But was hoping that the reduction would be a big reduction in size18:38
ayounguserid could work18:39
morganfainbergtopol, it would be cutting as much superfluous data out, anything that isn't justifiably needed (ids are needed, but i don't see names as being needed) would be removed.18:39
ayoungeven in federation, lets see what we come up with in the deconflict session...18:39
morganfainbergtopol, so the size reduction should be significant18:39
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morganfainbergtopol, especially cutting the catalog data out.18:39
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bknudsonwe could switch to a binary format18:39
topolK, but jamielennox concer on breaking federated identity use case still aplies correct?18:39
morganfainbergtopol, the long-form catalog data*18:39
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ayoungtopol, not necessarily....18:40
ayounguserid for most federated stuff should be superfluous18:40
morganfainbergbknudson, i think that would be a logical progression, but i don't want to make tokens too difficult to parse in one-fell-swoop18:40
ayoungit should be almost all role-assignments18:40
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jamielennoxayoung: federation is the reason i can't have a /user path so the same would apply - you can't start with an id and get user data for federated idps18:40
morganfainbergbknudson, so incremental - strip data down fix formatting and versioning, evaluate binary et al18:40
ayoungjamielennox, heh, I wanted to give you a /user path.18:41
topoljamielennox ++18:41
jamielennoxayoung: i know you did - i still want it but it's easier to argue in person18:41
dolphman ID-only token: https://gist.github.com/dolph/1075771218:41
dolphmtechnically you could drop domain scopes as well18:42
morganfainbergdolphm, ++18:42
morganfainbergthat is a much more elegant data set imo than our current token format18:42
stevemardolphm, yeah, they wouldn't be necessary if just using ids18:42
morganfainbergyou should add a token version in there18:42
bknudsonnow policy.json has role IDs rather than role names?18:42
ayoungbknudson, nope.  It could cache the lookup18:43
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dolphmtrimmed a bit more... https://gist.github.com/dolph/1075771218:43
topolare there any fields in dolphm's example where we the name would be helpful to stakeholder projects?18:43
ayoungfeh...roles should be names, not ids18:43
morganfainbergso we keep role names18:43
morganfainbergthat isn't a big deal.18:43
dolphmmorganfainberg: versioned18:43
morganfainbergdolphm, ++18:43
bknudsonclients will have to do a separate fetch for the endpoints?18:44
topolif the role names arent so bad its nice to have them.18:44
dolphmayoung: role names are so static that i wouldn't see much benefit to including names over ID's18:44
morganfainbergbknudson, correct you'd need to do a catalog (unprotected) request18:44
dolphmbknudson: i'm assuming clients could do a single separate request for a catalog ^18:45
dstanekdoes the client already implement caching?18:45
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topoldo we have a command that takes as input passin the id onlu token and return a verbose token for debuggin pruposes?18:45
jamielennoxdstanek: for some things, but it's not the granular18:45
dolphmdstanek: not really18:46
dolphmauth_token does some caching, but that's it AFAIK18:46
jamielennoxtopol: could, i think that's details18:46
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dstanekwe could start advocating requests-cache if our cache headers are correct18:46
morganfainbergdolphm, ayoung, maybe http://pasteraw.com/c0spwqvdtgthup6kchx8njqpof420cv18:47
dstanekthen some of the extra lookup requests won't have to happen all of the time18:47
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dolphmmorganfainberg: dreams!18:47
morganfainbergdstanek, we also need to start issuing cache-control headers on our responses imo.18:47
jamielennoxmorganfainberg: i like having service_type in the catalog18:47
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topolmorganfainberg, love seeing the version attribute18:47
dolphmmorganfainberg: dstanek: ++18:47
jamielennoxif you only need one you should only need one18:47
ayoungmorganfainberg, the catalog naming is a little funky, but yeah18:47
morganfainbergayoung, sure details to work out18:47
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jamielennoxthough in which case i'd be interested to see if endpoints could become a dict of lists, rather than list of lists18:48
ayoungmorganfainberg, instead of catalog it could be services18:48
ayoungthen it would make sense18:48
morganfainbergayoung, ++18:48
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dolphmmorganfainberg: "what if i have two services of the same type in the same region?"18:48
morganfainbergdolphm, compute is a list, you'd have more than one in the list. we support that now, right?18:49
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dolphmmorganfainberg: the problem with indexing by type is that you're implying there's only one service ID of that type - current catalog doesn't have that limitation18:49
bknudsonwe should be able to use keystone as a load balancer18:49
morganfainbergdolphm, oh i see yeah.18:49
dolphm(although i sort of wish it did limit by region -> service type -> endpoint interface18:49
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morganfainbergbknudson, we should also be able to enforce endpoint usage in the token "sorry your token isn't valid for endpoint XXX go somewhere else"18:50
jamielennoxdolphm: that's backwards for hierarchical regions18:50
dolphmi.e. that combination should be unique or you're deployment is super confusing18:50
dolphmjamielennox: ooh, that's probably true18:50
dolphmmorganfainberg: that's kind of what OS-EP-FILTER is doing18:51
ayoungall hierarchy resolution for regions should be done on the keystone server before creating the token.18:51
jamielennoxdolphm: maybe that's the point of not putting region in the token though, just id18:51
morganfainbergdolphm, sortof... but not really18:51
morganfainbergdolphm, it doesn't prevent use of an endpoint18:51
jamielennoxdolphm: so when you request the endpoint for a service id you get back the endpoint URL that is appropriate to the region you requested - no more client side region handling18:51
dolphmmorganfainberg: right; but i think client side enforcement has been proposed somewhere18:51
morganfainbergdolphm, it also means auth_token would need to know it's own id.18:52
dolphmmorganfainberg: ++18:52
morganfainbergdolphm, yeah, i think this token format opens us up to better be able to do that though.18:52
ayoungmorganfainberg, I've wanted auth_token to have a self_id field for a while now18:52
bknudsonauth_token has self_id of what?18:53
ayoungmorganfainberg, that also lets auth_token or comparable request the policy file:18:53
bknudsonits user?18:53
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morganfainbergayoung, ++18:53
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ayoungI want GET /policy/endpoint/<id>  or something18:53
ayoungand endpoint gets resolved to service18:53
morganfainbergbknudson, it's endpoint id?18:53
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jamielennoxyea, i misread that as token has a self_id18:54
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bknudsona) might not be an endpoint for the service ... b) could have multiple endpoints?18:55
morganfainbergdolphm, are we planing on deprecating the templated catalog?18:55
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dolphmfwiw, raw token struct (excluding signature) is 630 bytes without compression, 239 bytes with compression18:55
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dolphmfor the ID-only token example18:55
topoldolphm that is nice18:55
morganfainbergdolphm, that is _way_ better18:56
dolphmooh, that also includes whitespace!18:56
dolphmour tokens don't have any18:56
jamielennoxi think it'll need more but yea that's good18:56
topoljust hope that the less info doesnt cause folks to grumble18:56
morganfainbergtopol, i think most people treat tokens as opaque blobs18:56
bknudsonis that compressed to binary or base64 or something?18:56
topolmorganfainberg, good to hear18:56
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dolphmso 352 -> 239 without excessive whitespace18:57
morganfainbergtopol, this also allows us to provide clear external token validators "is this a version X token"18:57
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ayoungbknudson we need to be able to assign policy files to a)endpoints, b)all endpoint of a services c)something based on regions18:57
dstanekdolphm: that's impressive18:57
ayoungbknudson, maybe other divisions as well18:57
topolmorganfainberg, I love the versioning!!!18:57
morganfainbergdolphm, we could ditch json and go binary (as bknudson pointed out) might be even better then18:58
ayoungmorganfainberg, I don't think JSON adds that much once you drop whitespace.  I'd not want to get into the parsing business18:58
dolphmmorganfainberg: that'd be worth prototyping18:58
topolif you go binary then trying to visually inspect a token in like curl examples become not possible correct?18:58
morganfainbergthis is a case where something like a protobuf would be nice. it would allow all languages to grab token data quickly18:59
morganfainbergdolphm, wow meeting went fast.18:59
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jeblairanyone around for an infra meeting?19:00
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jeblairclarkb, mordred, pleia2: ?19:00
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jeblairianw: ping19:01
ianwjeblair: hi19:01
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jeblair#startmeeting infra19:01
openstackMeeting started Tue Apr 15 19:01:55 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is jeblair. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.19:01
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.19:01
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jeblair#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/InfraTeamMeeting19:02
jeblairlast meeting:19:02
jeblair#link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2014/infra.2014-04-08-19.01.html19:02
jeblair#topic  Actions from last meeting19:02
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jeblair#link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-tc/2014-April/000608.html19:03
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jeblairthe item was: jeblair send revised repo rename list to tc19:03
jeblairi did that, and as you can see the tc was wildly enthusiastic.19:03
jeblairi'm going to interpret that as no one having any objections and we should move forward19:03
jeblairso i'll put those on the rename list19:03
jeblairmordred make an abbreviated projects.yaml with only projects using storyboard as their primary tracker19:04
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mordredor, rather19:04
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mordredimplemented differently19:04
mordredadded storyboard flag to existing projects.yaml list19:04
jeblairthe outcome is there -- it is not confusing to know where to report bugs now :)19:04
jeblairnibalizer write lp->storyboard migration script19:04
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clarkbI know nibalizer has been poking at getting a storyboard running for testing19:05
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clarkbbut apparently the puppet was giving him a hard time, I didn't have any inside info for him though19:06
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jeblairokay cool.  i think we'll want to use something like that for zuul19:06
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krotscheckI helped him out a little this morning, but he was on the bus and never got back to me.19:06
jeblairwe should probably file a story about that actually19:07
krotscheckIf only we had a place to file stories.19:07
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jeblairand assign it to him19:08
jeblair#topic  Gerrit 2.8 upgrade19:08
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jeblairso this is coming up soon19:08
jeblairi'd like to do a few things:19:08
jeblair1) review the list of outstanding changes and poke infra-core to merge whatever is safe now19:09
jeblair2) make any outstanding decisions that we haven't gotten around to making19:09
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jeblair3) schedule a time19:09
jeblair4) start sending announcements19:09
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jeblairzaro: do you have an etherpad to help with the first 2 items?19:09
zaro#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/remaining-gerrit-upgrade-changes19:10
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jeblairmordred: oh, the 2.8 branch isn't updating because of manage projects, right?19:11
zaroi wasn't sure if 1st item on the list is needed.19:11
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zarobut i think we need so we can test review-dev with jenkins.19:11
clarkbjeblair: correct19:11
mordredjeblair: that's right19:11
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zaroi'm working on verifying that puppet can deploy review-dev.o.o.  I don't have it quite working yet.19:12
jeblairmordred: is there a way to run just the remote tracking bit?19:12
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mordredjeblair: it's on the todo list to fully split that out - but I could make a patch to make a flag to do that pretty easily19:12
mordredjeblair: I can prioritize that19:12
zaropuppet will install gerrit and it looks like it starts without problem, but i can't access the site.  I think it's the apache stuff that's not quite setup right.19:12
jeblairzaro: i know this is required:   https://review.openstack.org/#/c/60893 (Allow encoded path separators in URLs)19:13
jeblairzaro: it will manifest as permission denied errors if you try to look at any change19:13
jeblairzaro: i believe that's applied manually on review-dev right now19:14
nibalizerzaro: I'm seing review-dev as up19:14
zaroyeah, it's on there to approve before upgrade19:14
zaronibalizer: i'm testing on my personal VM19:14
nibalizerzaro: oh okay19:15
zarojeblair: i have that change on my test vm19:15
zaroi can't access http://host19:15
jeblairzaro: ok, hrm.  well, we should start prioritizing fixing this now to make sure we're ready19:16
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jeblairzaro: so feel free to bug us for help if you get stuck :)19:16
zaroactually it says web page not available.  i need help with it.19:16
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jeblairttx: the 'off week' is april 28 - may 2, right?19:17
zaroanyways i think etherpad has all the tasks that's necessary to do the upgrade.  anyone see anything missing?19:17
pleia2good, that's when I'm away ;)19:17
clarkbI am away that week too :)19:18
ttxpleia2: same here :)19:18
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* mordred will be here19:18
jeblairright, but fungi, mordred, and zaro are around, right?19:18
jeblairi mean, that's like right when fungi gets back, but still... :)19:18
mordredyah - fungi is gone now, which I believe puts him back by that week19:18
jeblairso should we just get started first thing monday morning?19:19
zaroi'm around19:19
mordredjeblair: works for me19:19
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clarkbyup fungi should be back during off week19:19
zaromy announcement says gerrit upgrade to happen 5/1-5/7.  isn't that the off week?19:20
zaroyup, that's what it says https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Icehouse_Release_Schedule19:20
jeblairzaro: april 28 - may 2; ttx names weeks by their thursdays19:20
* mordred thinks ttx is strange19:21
zarook, fine by me19:21
jeblairokay, so we'll start at, oh, 9am pdt april 2819:21
zarobetter for me anyways19:21
ttxmordred: that's another weird thing we inherited from ubuntu19:22
ttx(release days are on Thursdays, so weeks are name after Thursdays too)19:22
jeblairi think the announcement should probably tell people to expect a couple hours of downtime followed by several more hours of automated systems not quite working, but they shouldn't notice because they should all be on vacation.  ;)19:22
mordredOpenStack: the love child of Ubuntu and Drizzle ...19:22
mordredjeblair: ++19:23
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jeblairzaro: are you interested in writing/sending the announcements?19:23
zarojeblair: can do.19:23
mordredin a perfect world, do we have any idea how much downtime we actually expect?19:23
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jeblairzaro: cool; if you don't mind, write up a draft in an etherpad and we can review it before you send it19:24
mordredI mean, annoucing a couple of hours sounds great- just curious if we have a sense of the actual or not19:24
jeblair(these should be a bit more formal and we'll want to make sure they are correct)19:24
jeblairzaro: do you know how long schema upgrades and secondary indexing might take?19:24
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zarothere are manual steps to upgrade the db, so i'm guessing probably 4 hrs.19:25
jeblairzaro: did we get you a production dump to test that with?19:25
zaroyes, fugi provided and i believe i have tested.19:26
jeblairhow long did that take to convert?19:26
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zarolast i tested everything it was ver 2.8.1, now it's 2.8.4.  not sure if it's worth retesting?19:27
jeblairi'm thinking we should implement this by spinning up a new host19:27
zaroconversion is pretty quick.19:27
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zaroi believe it was matter of a few mins.19:27
jeblairso hopefully actual downtime should be short, unless the initial indexing (for the secondary index) is very slow19:28
mordredjeblair: perhaps we should test by having one of us who hasn't done any of the upgrades yet try to perform one on a new copy host based on instructions from zaro and see how it goes?19:29
jeblairour current gerrit host is very old; we should get a new one that's a performance pvhvm node19:29
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mordredjeblair: ++ to pvhvm19:29
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jeblairmordred: that would be swell; are you volunteering? :)  note that if anyone spins up a second gerrit with the production data, you should probably take care to make sure no email leaves the machine; just in case19:30
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mordredjeblair: yeah - I'll take a stab at it19:31
jeblair#action mordred to test zaro's gerrit upgrade instructions (with timing info)19:31
zaromordred: #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/gerrit_upgrade_script19:32
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jeblairanything else on the gerrit upgrade?  we'll do one more checkin next week, and then the upgrade itself is the following week19:32
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zarojeblair: did you see the gerritlib part?19:33
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jeblairzaro: yeah, remind me this afternoon and i'll tag a release19:33
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zarowe also need an infra-core to update openstack/2.8 branch19:34
zaroany volunteers?19:34
jeblairzaro: mordred is going to take care of that19:34
swestonI have been working quite a lot with the gerrit upgrade as well in my own environment, so I might be helpful as well.  I will be available in infra (most of the time) if anyone thinks of something a relative noob can do.19:34
mordredsweston: awesome, thanks!19:34
zarosweston: will be in touch19:34
jeblairoh, i just thought of something else...19:34
jeblairtwo things actually...19:35
jeblairzaro: what's your thought on workflow-label vs wip plugin?19:35
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swestonzaro, mordred:  glad to help out in any way I can ;-)19:35
jeblairzaro: i'm guessing it's "stick with workflow-label" since we're getting close and wip doesn't look like it's installed on review-dev; but wanted to double check.19:36
zaroIMO i think label makes a lot of sense because it just works with everything else.19:36
zaroi mean like the prolog rules19:36
zaroand searching19:36
jeblairthe second thing is, we should have some documentation to help devs with the changes.  in particular, we need something on the workflow label, and probably something about how to make custom dashboards19:37
zaroWIP is not available on 2.819:37
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mordredjeblair: ++19:37
jeblairsweston: do you think you could pitch in there?19:37
zarois that something that would be on openstack wiki?19:37
jeblairzaro: yes, i think so19:37
swestonjeblair: absolutely!!19:38
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mordredjeblair: wiki or ci.o.o ?19:38
jeblairmordred: wiki for now i think19:38
jeblairmordred: i still need to finish my "user manual" idea, when i do, it should go there, but right now i think the most appropriate place for this stuff is the wiki19:39
swestondocumentation is fairly sparse as it is, I found myself reading through a lot of java code to figure things out.  Any time that I could save for anyone else would be a bonus.19:39
jeblairand we'll like to it in the later announcements19:39
jeblairlink to it19:39
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jeblairzaro: thanks again for working on this19:41
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jeblair#topic  Fedora gate support (ianw)19:41
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jeblairianw: any introductory remarks before we dig into the subtopics?19:41
ianwhi; a quick procedural thing, are we supposed to remove items from the agenda on the wiki manually?  i had thought they got reset each week19:41
ianwreally, the only thing I want to bring up this week is https://review.openstack.org/#/c/86842/19:42
jeblairianw: heh, i try to clean it up sometimes, but i missed last weeks meeting and didn't notice this was on the agenda. :)19:42
pleia2I wasn't around much last week, but I'll be catching up with fedora stuff and doing reviews this week and next19:42
ianwDerek and I both tested manual installs and it seemed ok19:43
jeblaircool, well if those things are already decided...19:43
ianwpleia2: ok, if review of that is on your todo list, all good19:43
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jeblair#topic Open discussion19:43
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pleia2ianw: it is now, thanks for mentioning it :)19:43
sdagueianw: is there a proposed commit to put this on devstack in experimental or non voting?19:43
sdagueI'd like to start running it on devstack as soon as we can to shake out issues19:44
ianwsdague: not yet, i just wanted to make sure someone was looking at adding f20 to nodepool, then we can do that19:44
sdaguecool, great19:44
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jeblairthose infra-root folks are still changing all of our credentials for everything, so we're going to be less responsive than usual for the next bit; patience there would be appreciated19:45
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jeblairand the best way to help is to review infra/config changes so that when we get back to it, we can just approve them without thinking about them because they have so many +1s :)19:45
nibalizerim still woring on storyboard migration, still stuck on getting a local dev up19:45
nibalizerim picking krotscheck's brain for tips and have some things to try when I get home19:46
jeblairnibalizer: thanks for doing that19:46
nibalizerya, as i said earlier this morning I'm thinking right now that there is state on storyboard.o.o thats not expressed in the puppet code, or that I'm not aware of, since I'm running basically that and its no-worky19:47
jeblairnibalizer: :(  that's definitely not what we want.19:48
jeblairnibalizer: let me know if there's anything i can check on the prod server19:48
mordrednibalizer: one thing - I assume you've created the db?19:48
mordredwe dont' create it in the puppet because we're using cloud databases for the storyboard server19:48
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nibalizeractually we do create the db, or we do a db-migrate thing in puppet19:49
nibalizerwe do an 'update head'19:49
mordredwe do - but that doesn't create the _Schema_ - just the tables in teh schema19:49
nibalizerhrm maybe this is the problem!19:49
nibalizerno need to chew up more meeting time tho19:50
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nibalizerwe can follow up tonight when im on my home workstation19:50
reterdeddddhello guys19:50
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sdaguejeblair: any thoughts about if there are additional infra sessions for design summit you want proposed?19:51
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clarkbreterdedddd: o/19:51
reterdeddddim back on freenode19:51
reterdeddddbut where is freenode19:51
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jeblairsdague: ttx or krotscheck is going to propose a storyboard session19:52
nibalizerare the sessions going to be livestreamed?19:52
sdaguenibalizer: not design summit19:53
nibalizerokay thanks19:53
sdaguejeblair: do we want to talk about multinode nodepool ?19:53
sdaguenow that that is close to a thing19:53
retardedd_polishim not clone ;_;19:54
jeblairwe might want to talk about the direction of the config repo (how to make it a better upstream, etc)...19:54
nibalizeri would like to see the storyboard module split out into its own module that we then bring in19:54
nibalizernot sure if there is precedent for that19:54
jeblairnibalizer: there absolutely is; we want that for pretty much all of our modules19:55
mordrednibalizer: that's actually a long-standing todo list to do more of19:55
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nibalizerwoot, i'll follow up with you all later on how to requistion a new gerrit repo to plop it into19:55
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mordredwe stalled on it a little bit due to there not being spectacular ways to automatically upload to pupept forge19:55
jesusaurusmordred: jeblair: whats preventing it from happening for most of the modules?19:55
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jeblairjesusaurus: people need to type things to make it happen, and also what mordred said about uploading19:56
clarkbI think cleanup is a big part of it19:56
mordredjesusaurus: puppetforge upload automation OR a better way to pull things in which is not puppet forge that doesn't involve crazy complex new things19:56
clarkbwe need to do the decoupling19:56
mordredand cleanup19:56
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mordreddefeinitely cleanup :)19:56
sdagueyeh, there is definitely a lot of coupling today19:56
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mordredbut in general  - highly supportive of the effort19:56
retardedd_polishwhich server is good?19:56
nibalizerya thats a big project, but a fun one I think19:56
* jesusaurus puts seperating out modules at the bottom of his todo list19:57
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krotschecknibalizer: What are you thinking, something like storyboard::api, storyboard::db, storyboard::webclient?20:00
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retardedd_polishfuck NSA20:00
jeblairthanks all!20:00
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pleia2thanks jeblair20:01
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retardedd_polishinstall gentoo20:01
ttxAnyone here for the TC meeting ?20:01
retardedd_polishfail man20:02
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hub_capfitting :)20:02
retardedd_polishwhat are you thinking about linux mint with mate20:02
ttx#startmeeting tc20:03
openstackMeeting started Tue Apr 15 20:03:37 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is ttx. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.20:03
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retardedd_polishstop lough'im retard20:03
ttxThis is the last TC meeting for the Icehouse membership20:04
ttxWas great working with you all.20:04
ttxOur agenda for today:20:04
retardedd_polishyeah i love you guys20:04
ttx#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Governance/TechnicalCommittee20:04
ttx#topic Integrated projects and new requirements: Gap analysis for Trove20:04
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hub_caphorray :)20:04
ttxhub_cap: o/20:04
ttx#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/TroveIntegrationRequirements20:05
hub_capso um, we gonan kick this guy or what?20:05
russellbeveryone have their nick registered?  kick and mode +r ...20:05
ttxpunishment is coming, jeblair on it20:05
mikalIs jeblair assembling power tools?20:05
hub_caprussellb: ++20:05
hub_capmikal: hes assembling devastator20:06
ttxapparently webclient gets in his way20:06
eglynn... just /ignore ?20:06
retardedd_polishim sorry guys yoiu know im love you ;(((20:06
mikalwebclient was the worst deceptacon20:06
hub_capuh oh, the ((( give him away!!20:06
retardedd_polishnobody like me20:07
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hub_capso anyway, lets talk trove20:07
hub_capwe have gaps, lets analyze them20:07
mikalTo the gaps!20:07
hub_capi will do my best to mind them20:07
hub_capand make SlickNik mend them20:07
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russellbhub_cap: who makes up your core team?20:08
russellbcompany wise20:08
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hub_capebay, hp, rax20:08
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hub_capyea, ill admit core needs to grow20:09
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hub_caphip hip horray20:09
hub_cap3 cheers for jeblair20:09
SlickNikrussellb / hub_cap: We definitely need to grow the core team.20:09
ttxhis wrath is slow but thorough20:09
russellblooks like your review wait times are a little above average20:09
hub_caprussellb: yes a good bit20:09
sdaguehub_cap: the qa gap I think is nicely identified there. Mostly trove is kind of light at the moment in that regard.20:09
hub_cappartially due to the core team size20:10
hub_capsdague: yes its been a new thing (thx to SlickNik )20:10
hub_capin honestly sdague, we have a decent ammt of nonstandard tests we still rely on20:10
hub_capso its not as if its not there, its just not in the right place, so to speak20:10
sdaguehub_cap: right, it would be better to get that focus in the upstream process though20:10
SlickNiksdague: I'm working with a few folks to get more of the trove integration tests into Tempest.20:10
sdagueSlickNik: great20:10
russellbthat a priority for juno?20:11
hub_capSlickNik: ? ;)20:11
SlickNikrussellb: Yes20:11
hub_capmy guess is its one o the highest prios20:11
hub_capsince weve been bitten by the lack of them a good bit20:11
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SlickNikAnother item is figuring out the upgrade testing plan since we don't do any of that currently.20:12
* hub_cap assumes people are reading the sparse wiki20:12
russellbyep, that's pretty important20:12
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jeblairhub_cap: do you think we can eventually get rid of reddwarf ci?20:12
russellblooks like the wiki doesn't include all of the requirements20:12
russellblike the API section, for example20:12
hub_capjeblair: since day one i want to get rid of all of that ci _and_ trove-integration20:13
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hub_capfyi: http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/details/29520:13
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russellbdid you guys only include sections you had comments about?20:13
hub_capa talk on test req's20:13
hub_capyea im sorry for not doing it rigth russellb20:13
hub_capi mustve missed that.. i did the gaps only20:13
russellbthat's fine20:13
hub_capassume the rest o' it is there, and stable20:13
ttxso it looks like we have the same gaps as Ceilometer (integration tests and docs)20:13
hub_capas per the api, ive even backed out a change to the api that caused a "change"20:14
russellbso REST API is stable?20:14
hub_capthat was a while ago20:14
hub_capyes, no changes in icehouse20:14
markmcyou've a pretty massive list of blueprints - 122 bps open20:14
jeblairhub_cap: cool; i think you've made a lot of progress; just wantod to make sure you thought it was still feasible and you are working toward it20:14
russellbk, sounds good then20:14
hub_capsans the KILL XML DED part20:14
markmchow are you finding the blueprint process?20:14
hub_capjeblair: 100%20:14
hub_capmarkmc: wlel we are doing monday bp rallys20:14
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hub_capand we pick them and discuss them before anyone even sets a line o code down20:14
ttxhub_cap: could you give us your plans for trove-integration in Juno ?20:14
markmcare your blueprints too fine grained, too future looking, or it's a good reflection what you hope to do in the next release?20:14
hub_capfor instance, someone wanted to do a shadow tenant20:15
hub_capand i asked him to talk to nova about managed vms, or whatever we wanted to call them20:15
sdagueyeh, just on a personal note, I want to say SlickNik was super responsive in helping get all the requirements issues closed at end of cycle so we could have trove in the main job and requirements enforced20:15
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hub_capand there was already functionality to do something like this markmc20:15
hub_capso we killed his bp, no code written.. that was, what 2 wks ago SlickNik ?20:15
hub_capwe have a blueprint format20:15
SlickNikhub_cap: Yes.20:15
hub_capand we wont even look at a BP if it doesnt match the format20:15
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hub_capand SURE wont accept it20:15
SlickNikmarkmc: Historically we've had problems with not enough info in the bps.20:15
russellbSlickNik: that's been a common problem20:16
hub_capsdague: SlickNik is the bomb20:16
hub_capwe are having a good cadence tho w/ them, we get thru avg 4/ meeting20:16
SlickNikmarkmc: We've moved to a template format (on the wiki) for new bp proposals.20:16
markmcso a large number of bps are coming from folks outside of the core team?20:16
SlickNik#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/TroveBlueprint20:16
markmcnice template20:17
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hub_capmarkmc: most of them are20:17
SlickNikmarkmc: Yes, bps are coming from all contributors.20:17
* devananda likes the idea of a bp template20:17
hub_capwe are in more of a code review / bp review / bug triage / code cycle20:17
dhellmanndo you have an specific plans to increase the core team size?20:17
hub_capin that order20:17
hub_capdhellmann: we want to see more meaningful contributions, as well as meaningful reviews20:18
markmcI guess it's a pretty weird time to look at the blueprints list - i.e. not having a plan in place for juno yet20:18
hub_capand then yes20:18
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ttxhub_cap: could you give us your plans for trove-integration in Juno ?20:18
hub_capttx, can i defer to SlickNik for that?20:18
* hub_cap puts SlickNik on the spot!20:18
russellblooks like about 1/4 of your bugs are untriaged20:18
hub_capif yall dnt konw, SlickNik is the new ptl20:18
dhellmannhub_cap: sure, I was selfishly asking for hints on how to attract people to do those things :-)20:18
russellbthat's only 34 bugs untriaged, so should be easy to clean up20:18
hub_capdhellmann: heh, if i had the answers id have a bigger core team ;)20:18
dhellmannhub_cap: fair point20:19
hub_caprussellb: yes thats something that i think very few people are doing20:19
hub_capdhellmann: i admit its a weak point for trove tho20:19
SlickNikttx: I'm looking to move _most_ API tests out of trove-integration into Tempest.20:19
hub_capour core team is VERY small compared to others20:19
russellbshould look at core team size compared to patch volume though20:19
ttxSlickNik: would the trove-integration repo become obsolete ?20:19
russellbi think the key data is being above average on review times20:19
SlickNikttx: there's still some white box, system tests, that Tempest is not the right place for (imho). We might have to transition these to a different jenkins job running in openstack-ci.20:19
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SlickNikttx: It will take a fair bit of work with QA to get to a point where trove-integration is not needed anymore.20:21
hub_caprussellb: good point.. and we are below avg there20:21
sdagueSlickNik: sure, a functional test job in ci is probably a possibility20:21
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SlickNikttx: It's a top priority and we're moving towards it, but I don't know if we will be able to get it _all_ done in Juno.20:22
SlickNikrussellb: ++20:22
mordredsdague: ++20:22
jeblairSlickNik, sdague: yeah, i think a functional job is great if you need it20:22
ttxOK, we should wrap up20:22
mordredSlickNik: you should check out the swift functional job at some point20:22
hub_capyea last time we spoke w/ infra they wanted _some_ tempest tests first20:23
hub_capand i agreed w/ their thoughts20:23
hub_capso we kept our hobbily jenkins :P20:23
ttx#agreed Trove needs to move integrations tests to Tempest20:23
SlickNikrussellb: I might have to pick your brain a bit to figure out ways to achieve that. :)20:23
ttx#agreed Trove needs to work on documentation during the juno cycle20:23
ttxanything else ?20:23
russellbSlickNik: if only there were magic bullets :-) but yes, more than happy to talk!20:23
annegentlettx: we do have an install patch in review, kudos for that20:24
jeblairttx: i'd like to call out deprecating reddwarf ci explicitly20:24
devanandaSlickNik: we've also been doing a lot to get functinal testing for ironic into openstack-ci, happy to share what we've done20:24
ttx#agreed Trove needs to depercate reddwarf ci20:24
hub_cap++ to both20:24
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SlickNikdevananda: ++ I'll touch base with you offline regarding this.20:25
hub_capcool. so are we saved by the bell then?20:25
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hub_capwe know our gaps are CI, docs, and core team growth (due to review times)20:26
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ttxOK, anything else on that topic ?20:26
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hub_capplz feel free to blame SlickNik for anything not done in juno20:26
ttxwe will.20:26
ttxeglynn, jd__: around ?20:27
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ttx#topic Integrated projects and new requirements: Review Ceilometer plan to cover gap20:27
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ttxeglynn, o/20:27
ttxLast week we did a gap anaylsis at:20:27
ttx#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ceilometer-integrated-requirements20:27
eglynncool, floor is mine?20:27
ttxThree gaps were identified: program mission statement, integration tests and documentation20:27
SlickNikThanks for the discussion regarding trove!20:27
ttxOne concern was raised: SQLA not being recommended in production but still being the only backend tested in gate20:28
markmcanother new PTL :)20:28
eglynnk, here's the high-level plan to address the specific concerns raised by the TC last week20:28
ttxeglynn: what is your plan to address those gaps ?20:28
eglynn#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ceilometer-integration-gap-analysis-coverage-plan20:28
eglynnidea is to have a designated owner to drive the actions for each specific item20:28
eglynn... and a corresponding summit session proposed if required20:28
eglynnmaybe go thru' the concerns one by one?20:29
mordredI approve of explicitly calling out talking to Mike Bayer on sqla20:29
ttxeglynn: no, we can read20:29
sdagueyeh, that will be great20:29
eglynnmordred: hat tip to ildikov on that20:29
dhellmanneglynn: he'll be there a couple of days, so there will be time outside of sessions, too20:29
ildikovand also many thanks to dhellmann for organizing this20:30
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ttxnow.. am I the only one not knowing Mike Bayer ?20:30
eglynn... so concern #1 was straight-forward, we hacked out a formula of words on etherpad, now out for review on gerrit20:30
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mordredttx: author of sqlalchemy20:30
dhellmannildikov: make sure you have notes added to https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/juno-oslo-bayer so we don't overlook it during the session20:30
eglynnttx: you know of his works ;)20:30
ttxmordred: ah. That could help20:30
ildikovdhellmann: sure, will do, thanks for reminding20:31
ttxI like this plan20:31
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eglynnttx: cool20:31
sdagueeglynn: on the test strategies front, there was something that was proposed back in portland about having some ceilometer tests that happen around existing tests (as decorators) to track resource expectations. I think that got lost along the way.20:31
ttxSeems like the concerns are taken into account and a plan is in place to address them in Juno20:31
sdagueis that somethign appropriate for the 152 session?20:31
eglynnsdague: yes, good point, will add20:32
sdagueotherwise, I'm pretty happy with the plan20:32
eglynnnote BTW that items #3 & #4 are somewhat intertwined20:32
ttxEveryone else happy with the plan as spelled ?20:32
dhellmannyes, this looks it covers the concerns20:32
russellbyep no concerns, seems well organized20:33
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jeblairlooks good20:33
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ttx#info Proposed plan covers identified gaps. TC will check on progress on that plan during the Juno cycle.20:33
markmcclaincoverage looks good do we want any estimated delivery dates?20:34
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russellbsome of it probably OK to be just "juno"20:34
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eglynnmarkmcclain: a bit premature yet to tie to milestones, but I definitely want to frontload the tempest work20:34
russellbi'd think the QA things we'd want earlier20:34
russellbeglynn: nice :)20:34
ttxat this point, I'll take "juno"20:34
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ttxbut post design summit would be good to have blueprints and milestone targets for those yes20:35
jeblairttx: ++20:35
eglynnttx: aggreed20:35
ttxeglynn: just add to the same etherpad20:35
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ttxwe'll reuse it to follow progress20:35
eglynnttx: will do20:35
ttxanything else on that topic ?20:35
ttx#topic Moving projects around (jeblair)20:36
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ttx#link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-tc/2014-April/000608.html20:36
ttxjeblair: you wanted this to be blessed by the TC ?20:36
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russellbsounds fine to me20:37
markmcyeah, me too20:37
markmcthe gantt thing is a bit weird, but fine ...20:37
russellbsigh @ gantt20:37
russellbi'd love to just remove it honestly20:38
russellband if/when a splitout happens, give it a new name20:38
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russellbso it's not associated with this past effort that completely fell apart20:38
annegentlesounds fine and I like your use of mothballing20:38
jeblairyeah, we're trying to make it the least bad for everyone, within the constraints that we have20:38
vishyrussellb: what happened with gantt?20:39
dhellmannif we mothball gantt does that just mean its replacement needs a different name?20:39
jeblairbut one of those is don't delete history, so that approach with gantt seemed like the best way to go20:39
vishynot enough people working on it?20:39
russellbvishy: that's part of it, yes20:39
jeblairdhellmann: no, we actually want to leave it where it is but read-only so that we can reuse the name20:39
russellbdon't want to get too sidetracked20:39
jeblairdhellmann: we can do a keystone-lite style switcheroo20:39
dhellmannjeblair: right, I was responding to russellb's suggestion of deleting it20:39
russellbcan give more detail later though20:39
ttxread-onlying it is probably a good first step20:40
dhellmannI wonder if it's going to be confusing to have another gantt in the future, but whatever20:40
dhellmann+1 to the plan as written20:40
russellbyep, i'm fine with the proposed plan for gantt20:40
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ttxif we realize we don't need it we could -attic it20:40
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jeblaircool.  and yeah, its not closing any doors on gantt if we change our minds later20:40
ttxjeblair: you got enough love, shall we move on to next topic ?20:41
jeblairi'll go ahead and put those renames on our list for the next downtime then.  thanks :)20:41
ttx#topic Cross-project workshops at the summit (russellb)20:41
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russellb#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/JunoCrossProjectDesignSummitTrackReview20:41
russellbthanks to the folks that helped by voting on sessions20:41
russellbif you scroll to line 36 or so you'll see the proposed set20:41
ttxI think we mostly agreed anyway20:41
russellbbased on the results, i went ahead and approved 1 through 1720:41
russellband rejected 22 to the end20:42
russellbquestion for today is what to do with the middle ones20:42
ttxthere is just a bit of uncertainty between giving 2 slots to more sessions, or accepting more20:42
russellbi think my opinion is just give 2 slots to the ones marked as such20:42
ttxrussellb: I think 18 and 19 are covered if we give a double-session to 1120:42
russellbany opinions otherwise?  one of the middle ones you really want to have?20:42
dhellmanndoes that leave 21 out? (python 3)?20:43
russellbttx: yes that's a good point20:43
russellbdhellmann: yes, right now20:43
russellbif we take python 3, we have to drop the [x2] by something20:43
dhellmannI would like to have some sort of session so the team that is working on that will be able to land incremental patches -- moving "all at once" is not a realistic plan for the amount of work they have to do20:43
russellbmaybe #9 ...20:43
sdaguedouble slot on 16 seems a little odd, given that it wasn't strongly voted for20:43
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markmcsad the python3 talk has so little in the description20:44
jeblairsdague: that's just what i was thinking20:44
markmcmaybe we just assume that gets sorted before the session?20:44
markmcthat there will be useful stuff worth discussing?20:44
ttxsdague: yeah, my fault. I think if that session works they will need 2 slots20:44
annegentledoes talking longer than 40 minutes really help get decisions?20:44
dhellmannmarkmc: yeah, I can push zul and haypo on that20:44
annegentleor does it help with listing tasks?20:44
ttxif it doesn't and they don't converge, probably not20:44
ttxannegentle: some topics are very broad, like SDKs / libraries / openstackclient stuff20:45
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annegentlettx: k20:45
ttxsame for API convergence, sortig etc20:45
jeblairi think part of the idea of 16 is to try to get collaboration on projects that may not be collaborating closely right now20:45
russellbi'm fine dropping the x2 for #16 and adding Python 3, with the expectation that the details get sorted in time20:46
russellbhopefully the conversation doesn't end after the session20:46
russellbit'll at least get people connected20:46
ttxrussellb: yeah, your call20:46
jgriffithjeblair: given we've had feedback for those project regarding their collaboration that seems like a req20:46
sdaguedo we know if the right people will be there? I'm a little concerned we've got a lead a horse to water problem with that session20:46
russellbsdague: which one, #16?20:47
russellbhopefully some of us :)20:47
jeblairjgriffith: yep.  the rest of that thought was that i think there will be some time spent establishing baselines20:47
ttxsdague: I rejected their "other project" sessions20:47
jgriffithsdague: there inlies the problem20:47
russellbnext problem will be scheduling which of these can go in parallel20:47
annegentlesdague: I've the same concern with pushing "17. cross project documentation" to the docs track, how do I get people there?20:47
ttxsdague: so they won't have time to talk separately20:47
russellbto make sur the right people can be in the room20:47
ttxit's their only space (Murano and Solum)20:47
ttxso I hope they will be there20:47
russellbthat too20:48
sdaguettx: you reaching out to them directly on that?20:48
jeblairhonestly, i'm really bummed about the python3 thing, but i think i'm still not optimistic that is set up to be a productive session20:48
ttxsdague: I can20:48
ruhettx: murano folks will be there20:48
zanebfwiw I'd be relaxed about having only one session for #16, I think20:48
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russellbjeblair: but can we afford *not* to talk about it?20:48
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ttxjeblair: yeah, I'm fearing it doesn't really need a session20:48
sdagueI think because it's not a session anyone from those groups proposed, but you did directly, then it's probably worth making sure direct contact to them20:48
ttxespecially on fuzzy goals20:48
jeblairrussellb: i can at least show up and report what i learned and said at the python language summit20:49
dhellmannthere's also a sprint going on right now at pycon20:49
ttxsdague: right, that's fair. I mentioned that workshop when I rejected their "other project" session though. Will reach out directly20:49
jeblairi think that may be helpful, actually20:49
ttxsdague: easier sell if they get a double-session20:49
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russellbjeblair: so you think it's useful then?20:49
russellbif we want it, we have to drop some x2 slot ..20:49
ttxrussellb: I guess we can drop the second UX slot20:50
russellbUX is what i was leaning toward20:50
ttxrussellb: because developer exproence will better be handled in the SDk session anyway20:50
jeblairlet's say i've got 15 minutes of content i can share.  i can start an email thread if we don't want to bet a session slot on that though.20:50
russellbok, proposal: accept python, 1 slot for UX, 2 slots for the other 3 that have x2 by then20:50
gokrokvettx: Murano team knows about this session and we are preparing to it.20:50
russellbthat sound OK?20:50
sdagueif we are going to put it on the agenda, can we spin it a little to be our python support story over all20:50
ttxgokrokve: good to hear20:50
sdaguebecause it seems like we should actually discuss 2.6 deprecation at some point20:50
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mordredsdague: ++20:50
ttxrussellb: +120:51
russellbsdague: that sounds reasonable20:51
markmcclainsdague: ++20:51
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jeblairsdague: sounding better and better20:51
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ttx"Future of Python in OpenStack"20:51
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russellbok, one more quick issue20:51
russellbsession #1, Consistency across OpenStack REST APIs20:51
jeblairttx: port to 'go', right? :)20:51
russellbthe proposer of that session is unlikely to make it20:51
markmcthat sounds like there's a question whether python has a future in OpenStack :)20:51
mordredmarkmc: ++20:51
russellbso we should probably line up someone to lead that one20:51
jgriffithjeblair: scala20:51
sdaguemarkmc: we're rewriting it all in go20:51
vishyjeblair: +120:51
* russellb prefers bash20:51
russellbdevstack got it right20:52
mordredrussellb: agree- we should line up someone to lead it20:52
ttxdevstack got everythign right20:52
russellbbut seriously ... API session20:52
dhellmannI'll take it20:52
* markmcclain longs for C20:52
russellbdhellmann: OK, I think that'd be perfect20:52
markmcwe've had API consistency sessions several times20:53
dhellmannI will, however, expect jeblair and some others to show up to help :-)20:53
ttxrussellb: jaypipes might be interested in leading that one20:53
markmcproblem has been someone willing to drive it beyond a session20:53
mordreddhellmann: I'll probably, you know, come run my mouth20:53
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russellbttx: sure, dhellmann: can you ping jay too?20:53
* dhellmann makes a note to pack his stopwatch20:53
mordredjaypipes ++ - as long as the session isn't json vs. xml20:53
russellbvs yaml20:53
jeblairmordred, dhellmann: in which case i will show up and attempt to get a word in edgewise.  ;)20:53
dhellmannrussellb: wait, I was volunteering on the future of python thing, not the api thing20:53
ttxthat ship has sailed20:53
russellbdhellmann: haha20:53
sdaguemordred: we've got a good job killing a lot of xml this cycle :)20:53
mordredsdague: +100020:53
ttxOK we ned to move on20:54
ttxrussellb: got what you need ?20:54
russellbthe time sensitive part yes20:54
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ttxrussellb: scheduling will be unfun20:54
russellbeveryone bring your clones20:54
ttxrussellb: we can talk about it tomorrow20:54
ttx#topic Requirements changes20:54
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ttx* Add Ceilometer requirements (https://review.openstack.org/85978)20:54
dhellmannrussellb: should I file a separate item for the future of python, or do you want to reuse this one?20:54
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ttxLooks like most people generally agree on this one but would prefer a more precise wording20:54
russellbdhellmann: why don't you file a new one20:55
dhellmannrussellb: ok20:55
ttxneeds a few more iterations, I think20:55
ttx* add upgrade testing expectation (https://review.openstack.org/86162)20:55
ttxThe latest wording on that one looks fine to me, I'll approve it once it reaches 7 YES20:55
ttx(if nobody objects)20:55
ttxRemarks on those two ?20:56
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ttx#topic Minor governance changes20:56
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ttx* Add qa-specs to the QA Program (https://review.openstack.org/86965)20:57
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ttxThis one has past and new PTL approval, no objection: will approve after meeting20:57
ttx* Update programs list with Juno PTLs (https://review.openstack.org/86896)20:57
ttxThis one is a catch-up, will approve after meeting (mikal's objection not being founded)20:57
ttx* Adds integrated release names to programs.yaml (https://review.openstack.org/81859)20:57
ttxannegentle was working on a new version -- I fear we'll lose backward compatibility though20:57
ttxmikal: :P20:57
annegentlettx: I uploaded the latest20:58
annegentlefor perusal20:58
ttxannegentle: ok we'll look at it20:58
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ttxjeblair: in particular the pieces of infra consuming it might need a patch to support a new format20:58
ttxat this point there shouldn't be too many20:58
ttxI know stackalytics consumes it too20:58
mordredI was just about to mention them20:58
jeblairttx: ack20:59
ttx* Add the Kite key distribution service to programs.yaml (https://review.openstack.org/84811)20:59
ttxThis one needs a fix on the commit message and should be able to go in20:59
ttx#topic Open discussion20:59
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ttxlast minute20:59
ttxAnything else, anyone ?20:59
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ttxTC nominations end Friday at like 5 UTC20:59
russellb"like 5"21:00
mordredcan I run for a second seat?21:00
russellbis 4 like 5?21:00
mikalSeems like a good bunch of candidates so far21:00
mordredmikal: ++21:00
ttxApril 18 05:59 UTC21:00
mikalI'm a bit surprised there are so many, but perhaps I've forgotten how competitive it is21:00
ttxso more like 621:00
jeblairthere were a bunch last time too21:00
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jeblairat least, many more than seats21:00
russellbyeah, i want to say it was closer to 25 candidates for the full election last time21:01
ttxOK, time to end it21:01
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ttxThanks everyone21:01
russellbthanks, ttx21:01
dhellmannrussellb: http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/details/31621:02
ttxdhellmann, dolphm, notmyname, jd__, markwash, jgriffith, russellb, stevebaker, david-lyle, markmcclain, hub_cap: around ?21:02
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russellbdhellmann: thanks21:02
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dhellmannttx: I need to skip out a little early, if that's possible. I don't expect anyone to need to talk to me a lot. :-)21:02
zanebI'm here but I believe stevebaker is coming21:02
eglynnttx: I can stand in for jd__ if necessary21:03
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ttxdhellmann: should be a quick one21:03
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ttx#startmeeting project21:03
openstackMeeting started Tue Apr 15 21:03:27 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is ttx. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.21:03
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.21:03
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ttxHi everyone, last release meeting of the Icehouse cycle21:04
ttxNB: Next week we'll use that meeting slot to discuss Design Summit scheduling with all PTLs21:04
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ttxBut for today we need to check we are still all good for release on Thursday21:04
ttx#link http://wiki.openstack.org/Meetings/ProjectMeeting21:04
ttx#topic Two days before release21:04
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ttxwell, less than two days, since release is planned for ~1400 UTC21:05
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ttxI synced with almost everyone today and we seem to be in good shape21:05
ttxstevebaker: how is Heat RC2 holding up ?21:05
ttxno bug in https://bugs.launchpad.net/heat/+bugs?field.tag=icehouse-rc-potential so I assume it's good21:06
stevebakerttx: testing has been fine so far, no major new bugs have been raised21:06
ttxI just respun Ceilometer RC321:06
sdagueare we going to get another keystone client release RSN? there was a pretty nasty bug we tripped over in heat once we made the tests parallel.21:06
ttxdue to a misnamed meter21:06
sdagueit was actually a keystoneclient bug though21:06
ttxdolphm: ^21:06
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ttxNo RC window is currently open, so the current release candidates are all considered good to go21:06
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stevebakerI thought keystoneclient was already released with a fix for that21:07
dolphmsdague: which bug?21:07
ttxjgriffith: do you want a RC3 over bug 1304115 ?21:07
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1304115 in cinder "Storwize/SVC driver crashes when check volume copy status" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/130411521:07
sdaguethe certificate race21:07
jgriffithttx: You mean a 421:07
ttxarh, damn you21:07
dolphmwe haven't released a fix for that, but i'd be more than happy to21:07
jgriffithI know the IBM folks would like it21:07
sdagueBug 1285833 - Keystone client racing on certificate lookups causing 401 Unauthorized on API calls21:08
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1285833 in heat "Keystone client racing on certificate lookups causing 401 Unauthorized on API calls" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/128583321:08
dolphmit'd be 0.8.0 though, as we've had some features land21:08
ttxjgriffith: did you determine if it was a regression ?21:08
jgriffithttx: I never heard back from jungleboy... just pinged him again21:08
sdaguedolphm: that's fine, just without that if you hit heat with 2 apis at the same time you get a 40121:08
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dolphmsdague: i'll do it in the next 24 hours then21:08
ttxjgriffith: ok, let's quickly sync after meeting and make a final call21:08
dolphm(release 0.8.0)21:09
sdaguedolphm: great, thanks21:09
ttxAt this point, only regressions with obviously-safe fixes would be accepted in a RC respin21:09
ttxThe goal is to officialize the last RCs, tag and upload them on Thursday morning.21:09
ttxSo if by Wednesday evening you haven't pressed the "stop the presses" button I'll just proceed21:09
ttxKnown issues that are not worth a respin (or were detected too late) should be documented in the release notes21:09
ttxBut that's the next topic21:09
ttxDo we have questions on release ? Any red flag ?21:09
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sdaguettx: on something like the keystone client issue, we'll just handle it as a requirements bump backport?21:10
sdagueor more importantly, how should we handle that?21:10
ttxsdague: we'll probably bump the req when stable/icehouse will be cut on that repo21:10
annegentleI dont' have a red flag but the docs will be publishing to both /trunk/ and /icehouse/ for a few weeks to avoid many backports21:10
sdaguettx: ok21:10
annegentle#info openstack-manuals (install guides and config refs) will be publishing to both /trunk/ and /icehouse/ for a few weeks to avoid many backports21:11
stevebakerif there are requirements bump backports happening I'd really like python-heatclient 0.2.9 to be included21:11
ttxfwiw the tests should always use the latest client21:11
ttxsdague: no ?21:11
sdaguettx: correst21:11
sdaguethey actually use git21:11
ttxso unless there is a blocking bug the bump in stable requirements is more cosmetic21:12
sdagueyeh, the only reason I brought it up on keystoneclient, is you can't actually handle parallel requests in heat without it21:12
sdaguewe went to a 50% fail rate the moment we turned on parallel tempest on the heat job because of that race21:13
ttxany other red flag, anything I should know ?21:13
ttx#topic Release notes status21:14
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ttx#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ReleaseNotes/Icehouse21:14
ttxLooking at current status21:14
ttxGlance and Horizon entries are a bit light21:14
ttxNeutron still needs ot be filled out21:14
ttxthere is a TODO in the Heat section21:15
ttxmarkmcclain: ETA for your section ?21:15
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stevebakerttx: yes, shardy needs to finish that section21:15
markmcclainttx: currently writing it :)21:16
ttxannegentle: if you have remarks on the release notes, let us know21:16
ttxyou're the specialist ;)21:16
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ttxOK, anything else about integrated release on thursday ?21:18
annegentlettx: not really - reading now21:18
ttxthis is suspeciously calm21:18
ttx#topic Incubated projects21:18
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russellbttx: maybe we're getting good at this21:19
ttxkgriffs, devananda: o/21:19
ttxSahara and ironic have a RC2, Marconi sill has no RC21:19
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ttxdevananda: do you want me to publish you on Thursday once I'm done with the official release ? Or wait for your go-ahead first ?21:19
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devanandattx: go for it :)21:19
ttxdevananda: ok, wil proceed unless you send me email to tell me not to21:19
devanandattx: we haven't had any further critical bugs reported since the ones closed in RC221:19
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ttxSergeyLukjanov is catching some sleep, but told me earlier that Sahara RC2 is good to go21:20
devanandaI am putting up release notes here: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Ironic/ReleaseNotes/Icehouse21:21
ttxstatus unknown for Marconi21:21
ttxkgriffs, flaper87: around?21:21
ttxdevananda: +121:21
flaper87ttx: o/21:21
ttxflaper87: do you know how far Marconi is from the RC1 tag ? Shall we still target Thursday for your release ?21:21
devanandaas a side note, we also got some install docs up recently (some clean up still ongoing)21:21
ttxIt's not a big deal if you release the day after21:22
flaper87ttx: yes, Thursday sounds good. We don't have any pressing issue nor blocking patches21:22
ttxbut if you can releae on same day, looks better21:22
ttxflaper87: well, you still have no RC published21:22
jgriffithttx: I don't believe it is21:22
ttxstill blocked on 128749021:22
ttxbug 128749021:22
jgriffithbahh... sorry21:22
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1287490 in marconi/icehouse "marconi-server crashes in no screen mode" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/128749021:22
flaper87ttx: that shouldn't be in rc1, we talked about it in today's meeting.21:23
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* flaper87 moves it out21:23
ttxflaper87: so I should just cut RC1 with the current state ?21:24
flaper87ttx: yup21:24
ttxflaper87: that means you need to push a 2014.2 version bump on top of master. I can propose it21:24
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ttxjust a sec21:24
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ttxit's already bumped. hm21:25
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* ttx digs deeper21:25
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ttxflaper87: looks like we missed a step21:26
ttxI shall have cut a branch and tag a RC1 12 days ago when the Juno version bump was merged21:27
flaper87ttx: mmh :/ the one where rc1 was cut ?21:27
ttxwell, that's the thing, it was never tagged or cut21:27
flaper87ttx: mmh, I thought Kurt had told you that the version bump was done21:28
ttxso I should probably do the branch now and then push a few backports to it before tagging rc121:28
ttxflaper87: tomorrow morning ?21:28
flaper87ttx: sounds good, I'll be around21:28
ttxflaper87: or are you in the US right now21:28
flaper87nope, CEST for now21:29
ttxflaper87: ok, will ping you and we'll set it right21:29
flaper87ttx: rock on, thanks!21:29
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ttx#topic Open discussion21:29
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ttxAnything, anyone ?21:30
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ttxjgriffith: we can talk about your RC4 now21:30
ttxso is it a regression or not ?21:31
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sdaguettx: this is an FYI for folks - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/86577/2/specs/branchless-tempest.rst21:32
jgriffithttx: no21:32
jgriffithttx: likely always broke21:32
jgriffithttx: also it's a corner case of backends that are replicating21:32
ttxjgriffith: ok, I'd say no RC4 then, unless we respin for more important reasons21:32
sdaguethere have been a couple of threads I've put out on the ML as well on it. We're pretty sure it's going to be only positive in terms of increasing quality, but willing to field questions on it21:33
ttx#info Info on branchless tempest: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/86577/2/specs/branchless-tempest.rst21:33
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jogosdague: I am excited to see branchless tempest, I have high hopes for it21:33
ttxanything else ?21:34
HenryGNot sure if this is relevant, but several people testing icehouse had trouble with neutron because of https://review.openstack.org/8664621:34
ttxyou mean, until this fix ?21:35
ttxor due to this fix ?21:35
HenryGIt's not a fix, more like missing information21:36
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ttxHenryG: might be worth adding to release notes21:36
ttxmarkmcclain: ^ ?21:36
mestery+1 to that ttx21:36
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ttxHenryG: feel free to add it to the release notes directly21:37
ttxon that note...21:37
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ttxThanks everyone21:38
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markmcclainttx: noted21:39
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