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| Daisy | Hello. Who's around for I18n meeting? | 06:00 |
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| epico | Hello, Daisy | 06:01 |
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| Daisy | I will start our meeting. | 06:01 |
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| Daisy | #startmeeting OpenStack I18n Meeting | 06:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Apr 17 06:02:10 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is Daisy. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 06:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 06:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: OpenStack I18n Meeting)" | 06:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_i18n_meeting' | 06:02 |
| Daisy | Hello, guys. | 06:02 |
| chandan_kumar | Daisy, hello | 06:02 |
| Daisy | Good afternoon, chandan_kumar | 06:02 |
| epico | Hello, Daisy | 06:02 |
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| Daisy | Good afternoon, epico | 06:02 |
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| epico | Daisy, :) | 06:03 |
| Daisy | Carlos is ready for the demo. | 06:03 |
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| DeeJay1 | good morning all :) | 06:03 |
| Daisy | I talked with him a few minutes ago. | 06:03 |
| Daisy | Good morning, DeeJay1 | 06:03 |
| chandan_kumar | Daisy, damason he is the zanata guy | 06:03 |
| Daisy | DeeJay1, I hope it's not early for you. | 06:04 |
| camunoz | hi Diasy, we are already on the hangout... setting up recording | 06:04 |
| Daisy | You may know that we should evaluate some translation tool candidates. | 06:04 |
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| Daisy | I plan to invite all of these tool owners to give us demos one by one. | 06:04 |
| Daisy | Then let's decide which one is the most suitable one. | 06:05 |
| Daisy | Zanata team is the first one. | 06:05 |
| Daisy | Many thanks for chandan_kumar and camunoz to give us this demo | 06:05 |
| damason | I am just making sure the hangout is being recorded | 06:05 |
| Daisy | camunoz: how can we join your hangout? | 06:05 |
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| chandan_kumar | Daisy, epico https://plus.google.com/events/c0n02dmkdl6d6a3hd3rsheagbl8?authkey=COL-s5Dtl533GQ | 06:06 |
| chandan_kumar | link for hangout to join | 06:07 |
| chandan_kumar | DeeJay1, https://plus.google.com/events/c0n02dmkdl6d6a3hd3rsheagbl8?authkey=COL-s5Dtl533GQ | 06:07 |
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| Daisy | DeeJay1, I didn't see you. Do you join ? | 06:08 |
| damason | https://plus.google.com/events/c9o87hjguc70o0l2ml84em41h10 | 06:08 |
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| damason | sorry for the dalay, we are just making sure the hangout can record | 06:09 |
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| chandan_kumar | Daisy, rajeshr DeeJay1 epico https://plus.google.com/events/c9o87hjguc70o0l2ml84em41h10 | 06:10 |
| epico | chandan_kumar, thanks | 06:10 |
| damason | This is the link to join https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/hoaevent/AP36tYcgBUlKKtlzl7D5ik4HH7d5FIt7DQQ9uH5Hk-TBIHwDLy7law | 06:10 |
| Daisy | I think I'm in. I see all you there except DeeJay1 | 06:10 |
| DeeJay1 | I'm there | 06:10 |
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| Daisy | Great ! | 06:11 |
| Daisy | All we are there now. | 06:11 |
| rajeshr | camunoz, ^^ | 06:11 |
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| Daisy | Nice to see you, DeeJay1 ! | 06:11 |
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| * DeeJay1 had to grab a coffee, you don't often see people running arround the corridors :P | 06:12 | |
| camunoz | Daisy, could you plase join the last link sent by damason, that's the one being recorded | 06:12 |
| damason | We're just having some audio issues | 06:12 |
| Daisy | ok. | 06:12 |
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| Daisy | The voice is not clear. | 06:13 |
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| chandan_kumar | Daisy, i think everybody except presenter can mute themself in hangout. | 06:13 |
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| chandan_kumar | so that extra unwanted voice will not come during hangout. | 06:14 |
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| Daisy | can I push all languages even they are not in zanata.xml? | 06:22 |
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| chandan_kumar | camunoz, we have some questions on google-hnagout chat. | 06:26 |
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| DeeJay1 | damason: I've reported a bug for you https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1088754 ;) | 06:44 |
| uvirtbot | DeeJay1: Error: Could not parse XML returned by bugzilla.redhat.com: HTTP Error 404: Not Found | 06:44 |
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| Daisy | camunoz: please let me know the link to the video. | 07:08 |
| chandan_kumar | here we come. | 07:08 |
| Daisy | It's a very great demo, I think. | 07:08 |
| Daisy | Time passes very quick. | 07:08 |
| DeeJay1 | yup, a few questions I had were answered :) | 07:08 |
| chandan_kumar | thank you damason camunoz , it is a really great demo with lots of interesting features. :) | 07:09 |
| Daisy | DeeJay1, we may think about if we migrate to Zanata, are there any problems we may meet with. | 07:09 |
| Daisy | We could think over it offline. | 07:09 |
| DeeJay1 | yeah, I'll take a look at it over the weekend | 07:10 |
| Daisy | Are there anything to talk ? | 07:10 |
| camunoz | glad you enjoyed it... we are here to answer any questions, and if there's any features that you feel might be needed, you can file a bug and we would estimate it for development | 07:10 |
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| Daisy | Thank you, camunoz . | 07:10 |
| rajeshr | as a user of zanata I feel that zanata is a foss translation tool that can compete with a tool like sdl trados/idiom etc | 07:11 |
| Daisy | I like the feature of search/replace very much. | 07:11 |
| rajeshr | and it has lots of possibilties | 07:11 |
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| chandan_kumar | Daisy, rest api feature and open id auth == awesome and lot of more interesting feature | 07:12 |
| damason | For now, the video can be seen at https://plus.google.com/events/c9o87hjguc70o0l2ml84em41h10 but I think it is still processing | 07:12 |
| damason | I'll have a look at the video later tonight to make sure it is properly available. | 07:13 |
| rajeshr | Daisy, yes true, there are lot, it integrates glossary also in a good way | 07:13 |
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| Daisy | Thank you all for your time. | 07:13 |
| * DeeJay1 is eagerly awaiting for stats, right now I think only pootle does per author stats | 07:13 | |
| damason | Thanks for attending. | 07:13 |
| Daisy | Agree, DeeJay1 | 07:13 |
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| Daisy | I will close the meeting now. If you want to share your thoughts, welcome to #openstack-translation | 07:14 |
| chandan_kumar | DeeJay1, we can file the bug for the respective feature and get it down if not then we can hack on it and submit the patch | 07:14 |
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| Daisy | Thank you all! Byebye. | 07:15 |
| Daisy | #endmeeting | 07:15 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 07:15 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Apr 17 07:15:19 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 07:15 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_i18n_meeting/2014/openstack_i18n_meeting.2014-04-17-06.02.html | 07:15 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_i18n_meeting/2014/openstack_i18n_meeting.2014-04-17-06.02.txt | 07:15 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_i18n_meeting/2014/openstack_i18n_meeting.2014-04-17-06.02.log.html | 07:15 |
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| enikanorov | hi folks | 13:59 |
| jorgem | hello | 13:59 |
| sballe | morning | 13:59 |
| enikanorov | lets start lbaas meeting | 13:59 |
| sbalukoff | Howdy, howdy! | 13:59 |
| obondarev | o/ | 13:59 |
| mestery | o/ | 13:59 |
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| enikanorov | #startmeeeting neutron lbaas | 14:00 |
| rm_work | hey | 14:00 |
| enikanorov | ops | 14:00 |
| enikanorov | #startmeeting neutron lbaas | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Apr 17 14:00:17 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is enikanorov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: neutron lbaas)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_lbaas' | 14:00 |
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| enikanorov | ok, so I'd like to dedicate this meeting mostly to continue the API discussion we have had | 14:01 |
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| ptoohill | hello | 14:01 |
| crc32 | hello | 14:01 |
| aburaschi | hello | 14:01 |
| enikanorov | especially because we have a new API proposal | 14:01 |
| sbalukoff | Sounds good! | 14:01 |
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| jorgem | that is still in the works btw ;) | 14:01 |
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| enikanorov | jorgem: thanks for making the document | 14:02 |
| sbalukoff | Yep, thanks! | 14:02 |
| german_ | +1 | 14:02 |
| sballe | +1 | 14:02 |
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| enikanorov | i hope every one could take a look at it and evaluate | 14:02 |
| rm_work | +1 | 14:02 |
| crc32 | +1 | 14:02 |
| crc32 | I love the new API proposal | 14:02 |
| jorgem | enikanorov: No problem. It seems that is has sparked a nice little debate :) | 14:03 |
| enikanorov | so I have several concerns on the approach, some technical, some project-wise | 14:03 |
| enikanorov | i think i'll start from the project-wise | 14:03 |
| enikanorov | in fact it was already spoken out by me | 14:03 |
| enikanorov | but i think it makes sense to reiterate | 14:03 |
| mestery | Any chance you guys could paste a link to the doc here so it's in the meeting minutes as well? | 14:04 |
| sballe | mestery: 1 | 14:04 |
| enikanorov | mestery: good suggestion | 14:04 |
| sballe | +1 | 14:04 |
| obondarev | #link https://docs.google.com/a/mirantis.com/document/d/1mTfkkdnPAd4tWOMZAdwHEx7IuFZDULjG9bTmWyXe-zo/edit | 14:04 |
| mestery | :) | 14:04 |
| mestery | thanks obondarev! | 14:04 |
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| crc32 | https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ar1FuMFYRhgadDVXZ25NM2NfbGtLTkR0TDFNUWJQUWc#gid=0 | 14:04 |
| crc32 | https://docs.google.com/document/d/1mTfkkdnPAd4tWOMZAdwHEx7IuFZDULjG9bTmWyXe-zo/edit?usp=sharing | 14:04 |
| crc32 | http://openstacksummitmay2014atlanta.sched.org/directory/speakers#.U07hUccd3Dc | 14:04 |
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| enikanorov | ok, so I was about to say about Neutron API | 14:05 |
| enikanorov | Neutron API is quite a low-level, that is focused on manipulating network primitives | 14:05 |
| enikanorov | that's the state of the art right now, and it also create a design guide lines for new APIs | 14:06 |
| enikanorov | that's why existing LBaaS API generally looks like it is | 14:06 |
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| sbalukoff | So in other words, in Neutron API, "single-call" deployments don't usually happen? | 14:06 |
| enikanorov | single-call is delegated to higher-layer, orcehstration | 14:07 |
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| sbalukoff | (ie. a user or operator needs to run several API commands in order to have something functional for their cloud.) | 14:07 |
| sbalukoff | Got it. | 14:07 |
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| enikanorov | that could be UI or orchestration tools | 14:07 |
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| enikanorov | so if we want to embed such capabilities into Neutron - it should be an extra, not the main API | 14:08 |
| jorgem | enikanorov: Correct and understandable. However, since load balancing has a lot of L7 features one could put in in a different group that general neutron networking. | 14:08 |
| sballe | enikanorov: I thougth the reason for a new API was to make it more usfeu and less confusing. If we cannot change the scope it will be hard to come up with any resonable API from an operator point of view | 14:08 |
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| sbalukoff | So, it's still somewhat unclear to me what is being looked for when people are asking for the "single call" stuff. Perhaps they could define that? (If not here, then on the mailing list?) | 14:08 |
| enikanorov | sballe: that's the part of concerns. hold on! :) | 14:08 |
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| enikanorov | jorgem: we're still within one project, and the guidelines apply | 14:09 |
| crc32 | I really wished you had raised this argument much earlier. Instead discussion was allowed to continue even though you were against it all along. I would ask that you refrain from doing this in the future. | 14:09 |
| obondarev | sballe: the initial reason was that current API can't handle all requested features | 14:10 |
| enikanorov | so project-wise I'm afraid it would be quite difficult to maintain both approaches - regular 'per-object' and 'single-call' | 14:10 |
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| crc32 | Its a respectable argument though. | 14:10 |
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| enikanorov | so, my personal opinion - i'm not against 'single-call' | 14:10 |
| enikanorov | i'm just saying about the costs and constraints | 14:10 |
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| enikanorov | costs - support, keeping it in sync with featurs that 'per object' model provides | 14:11 |
| jorgem | enikanorov: The fact that lbaas is within Neutron may be part of the problem then. The scope of lbaas seems to be much larger than previously thought. Taking a look at the requirements everyone has put down seems to indicate this no? | 14:11 |
| sbalukoff | I still think it might be deliverable by using the "good defaults" strategy. :/ But again-- I'm unclear on what we would need to deliver, exactly. | 14:11 |
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| ptoohill | so, we cant simplify things from the operator perspective because another layer(different tool) should handle that for us? | 14:11 |
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| jorgem | enikanorov: It seems like we are limited in making decisions because of this as well. | 14:11 |
| enikanorov | jorgem: we're limited by the need of making consistent API | 14:12 |
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| enikanorov | consistent - means that chosing some approach should allow you to do everything that service supports | 14:12 |
| mestery | Sorry for jumping in a bit late here, but is the main concern by the operators present here that the LBaaS API needs to be simplified? | 14:12 |
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| jorgem | enikanorov: please define? how so? | 14:12 |
| sbalukoff | mastery: Partially, yet. That and the old a | 14:13 |
| german_ | mestery, yes we have end users who are not network specialists | 14:13 |
| crc32 | yea I'm not infavor of the orchistration layer idea cause thats just one step away from requireing heat templates to do the orchistration which adds complexity defeaating the purpose of making a simpler single call method. | 14:13 |
| sbalukoff | the old API doesn't provide for the feature set being requested | 14:13 |
| enikanorov | jorgem: single call API should allow you do create conf for any use case with a single call | 14:13 |
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| mestery | OK, now I understand the desire for the single call API then, thanks. :) | 14:13 |
| enikanorov | technically it is possible, implementing that will result in the API that Heat has | 14:13 |
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| enikanorov | given that Heat is focused on that, is it really necessary to bring this capability on a lower layer on which Neutron stands? | 14:14 |
| rm_work | enikanorov: i think the proposed API here does that -- or else we have just not managed to come up with a use-case that breaks this | 14:14 |
| sballe | enikanorov: I think that bringing Heat is not a good idea. It makes everything more complex. | 14:14 |
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| crc32 | enikanorov: I pretty certaion making heat a mask for a single call will add more complexity then simply supporting a single API call. Its like putting it heat defeats the "simplicity" benifit of a flat single call. | 14:15 |
| enikanorov | sballe: what does mean 'bringing'? | 14:15 |
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| crc32 | present tense for "bring" | 14:15 |
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| enikanorov | crc32: i think it's the operator's responsibility to choose right tools for automation | 14:16 |
| sbalukoff | In any case, we're going to need API which covers manipulating primitives. So for the Rackspace proposal does that. It also tries to solve the single-call problem-- though again, this is not yet well defined. | 14:16 |
| obondarev | I doubt that supporting a single API will be 'simple' | 14:16 |
| enikanorov | Heat is focused on that. if it's not good enough, you can use neutron client directly to create everything you want | 14:16 |
| enikanorov | yeah, another concern is that 'single-call API' is simple from the first glance only | 14:17 |
| crc32 | enikanorov: Where not talking about automation. Were talking about a simple way to build a loadbalancer with pools and poolmembers. Its more about making the common case simple. | 14:17 |
| jorgem | So I am going to link the use cases with walkthroughs to show how this API would work. I think that may ease some confusion | 14:17 |
| enikanorov | crc32: common case is well-covered by the UI | 14:17 |
| sbalukoff | jorgem: Is there a plan to alter the language used in the API y'all proposed to conform with the teminology defined here? https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Neutron/LBaaS/Glossary | 14:17 |
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| enikanorov | crc32: and btw, that depends on what is 'common' | 14:18 |
| rm_work | sbalukoff: what terminology is wrong currently? maybe we need to define "content_switching"? but I am not sure what else would be missing | 14:18 |
| crc32 | sorry enikanorov but UI is not an API. | 14:18 |
| enikanorov | crc32: i'm talking about UX now, how users will consume that | 14:18 |
| sballe | crc32: + 1 | 14:18 |
| sballe | enikanorov: You cannot hide complexity behind the UI. | 14:19 |
| sbalukoff | rm_work: The use of the term "load balancer" doesn't seem to work with the glossary. Reading the API, it seems to me that by "load balancer" you mean "listener" as defined in the glossary. | 14:19 |
| jorgem | sbalukoff: We were thinking of it from an open-minded perspective so potentially yes. I don't want to be limited to the glossary but also want to keep it in mind. | 14:19 |
| sballe | A single API call or higher level API call make sense | 14:19 |
| enikanorov | sballe: right, if a use case is complex | 14:19 |
| sbalukoff | jorgem: I just know that using two completely different meanings for the same words tends to breed confusion in these discussions. | 14:20 |
| jorgem | sbalukoff: Otherwise we could potentially be limiting ourselves to possibilities. Again, we are in the nascent stage of building up a proposal so feedback is most welcome. | 14:20 |
| rm_work | sbalukoff: I think yes it is very close to that definition, but there would need to be some changes also (for example it is no longer specifically a child of the VIP object). we could update that but then it would break existing proposals, no? | 14:20 |
| crc32 | thats why I call them loadbalancer/listeners untill an agreement is arrived at. | 14:20 |
| jorgem | sbalukoff: Correct, I'll make sure we add a new glossary specific to this proposal to ease confusion. | 14:20 |
| rm_work | sbalukoff: so maybe we just need to set the glossary on hold for a bit, since I think the change is obvious enough that you were able to point it out and I think you understand the difference | 14:21 |
| sbalukoff | jorgem: Sounds good to me. As long as you're defining your terms, I don't have a problem with using terms specific to your proposal. | 14:21 |
| rm_work | or as jorgem says, maybe a new glossary? | 14:21 |
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| jorgem | sbalukoff: awesome. Thanks. | 14:21 |
| bbaby | From API doc "one port and one protocol per load balancer" - Does that mean one listener can have 'either' tcp Or udp per port? | 14:21 |
| jorgem | btw, is anyone else working on a new API proposal? It would be nice to have several to eventually discuss. | 14:22 |
| sbalukoff | jorgem: I'm planning on putting one together with my team this week. | 14:22 |
| enikanorov | jorgem: another proposals are actually reflected in API discussion | 14:22 |
| obondarev | jorgem: we already have several | 14:22 |
| enikanorov | jorgem: sorry in Obj Model discussion | 14:23 |
| sbalukoff | Though it might not be ready by our next meeting. I'm going to try to have it ready then so we can continue this discussion apace. | 14:23 |
| jorgem | enikanorov: So object model doesn't have API calls? Can someone add those? | 14:23 |
| enikanorov | there each object directly maps to a resource that can be CRUDed | 14:23 |
| enikanorov | jorgem: ^^ | 14:23 |
| jorgem | enikanorov: Like POST, PUT, DELETE, etc. | 14:23 |
| enikanorov | jorgem: that's just implied | 14:23 |
| rm_work | enikanorov: i think in this model also, each object directly maps to a resource that be CRUDed | 14:24 |
| jorgem | enikanorov: Correct, perhaps walkthroughs to see if the proposals satisfy the requirements everyone has layed out? | 14:24 |
| german_ | well, let's make it explicit | 14:24 |
| sballe | jorgem: We like the ATLAS' type approach since that s what we are currently using for our production lBaas so we won't come up with a new proposal but comment and help improve yours | 14:24 |
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| rm_work | enikanorov: unless i am missing something | 14:24 |
| sbalukoff | enikanorov: I think the object model discussion probably needs API discussion attached: There's some subtlety involved in, for example, what really happens when you "delete" something. | 14:24 |
| german_ | +1 | 14:24 |
| enikanorov | #action enikanorov to add API sketch to Obj Model discussion | 14:24 |
| sballe | +1 | 14:24 |
| markmcclain | rm_work: REST do not have to directly map the object model | 14:24 |
| sbalukoff | Oh! I forgot about those... | 14:24 |
| markmcclain | there are valid reasons not to have them maop | 14:25 |
| sbalukoff | #action sbalukoff to propose alternate API | 14:25 |
| markmcclain | s/maop/map/ | 14:25 |
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| rm_work | markmcclain: they don't have to, but in this case enikanorov is complaining that they should, and i am pointing out that they DO | 14:25 |
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| rm_work | markmcclain: so I am trying to figure out his complain :) | 14:25 |
| rm_work | *complaint | 14:25 |
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| enikanorov | i'm saying that in the obj model proposals objects map to API | 14:25 |
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| enikanorov | i'll make it more explicit | 14:26 |
| rm_work | referring to: <enikanorov> there each object directly maps to a resource that can be CRUDed | 14:26 |
| blogan | so is the main contention here the single api call or the api definition itself? | 14:26 |
| rm_work | unless i misunderstood what you were saying | 14:26 |
| crc32 | I don't know. Some of thhese objects don't arn't normalized so its not obvious which is the root object. That makes the actual API spec ambigous. | 14:26 |
| rm_work | in that case, please ignore and continue | 14:26 |
| enikanorov | rm_work: "there" means in the proposals we have | 14:26 |
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| rm_work | enikanorov: which are what you seem to be advocating? | 14:27 |
| enikanorov | crc32: right. that's why 'root object' definition lays in object model, not in the API | 14:27 |
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| rm_work | enikanorov: i thought we agreed in a past meeting that the object model should fall out of the API definition, and not the other way around | 14:27 |
| crc32 | so I see multiple ways to interpret the API based on the object models so I think there is a great benifit to show what concrete API calls would look like. | 14:27 |
| enikanorov | rm_work: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Neutron/LBaaS/LoadbalancerInstance/Discussion has 4 proposals | 14:27 |
| enikanorov | i'm advocating #2 and #3 | 14:27 |
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| sballe | rm_work: +1 I am confused too on how we proceed. | 14:28 |
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| blogan | weren't we supposed to first discuss the API and decide on that first before we even start talking about the object model? | 14:28 |
| blogan | if the API model works the object model will fall into place | 14:28 |
| jorgem | enikanorov: I thought markmcclain wanted us to work on API discussion. object model discussion to me is the internal domain that may or may not map to the API 1-to-1 | 14:29 |
| sballe | blogan: That was my understanding too | 14:29 |
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| jorgem | markmcclain: thoughts? | 14:29 |
| sbalukoff | I'm sort of in the same boat (I think) as enikanorov here: I see API and object model being intricately linked. | 14:29 |
| enikanorov | right | 14:29 |
| sbalukoff | It doesn't make a whole lot of sense to discuss API without some idea of what the underlying object model looks like. | 14:29 |
| enikanorov | starting from API is also ok | 14:29 |
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| enikanorov | it's just happened that we were discussion in terms of obj model | 14:30 |
| rm_work | sbalukoff: i think they are too -- but in a cause -> effect sort of way; define what you want of the API, and it becomes clear what the object model needs to be | 14:30 |
| sbalukoff | So maybe-- in proposing API, also present a diagram of what the resulting object model looks like? | 14:30 |
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| jorgem | sbalukoff: Correct but the object model proposals need to be linked to an actual API. Right now an API can be inferred which can lead to confusion. An explicit API would be nice so that we may compare. | 14:30 |
| sbalukoff | rm_work: Yeah, I'm fine with that, too. | 14:30 |
| rm_work | I actually thought we had one, I am not sure what happened to it, as it is not in that document… | 14:30 |
| sbalukoff | jorgem: Agreed! | 14:30 |
| enikanorov | jorgem: i'll add explicit API | 14:30 |
| blogan | sbalukoff: id say the object model doesn't matter very much when it comes to the API because once the API schema is defined, the object model should be obvious | 14:30 |
| rm_work | blogan: didn't you show me an object model that was derived from that API def? | 14:30 |
| jorgem | enikanorov: To all 4 proposals? | 14:30 |
| crc32 | sbalukoff: I believe the API depends on the object model but I don't think that means the object models proposed have a 1 to 1 relation ship with the API. For example the L7Association what would a call to add that look like in the REST tree? | 14:31 |
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| crc32 | what would the call that actually joins objects together look like? | 14:31 |
| enikanorov | jorgem: for the first 3, i guess, they are not very different | 14:31 |
| sbalukoff | blogan: I still want my pretty pictures. :) | 14:31 |
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| blogan | rm_work: is was just a diagram of the API not the object model, though the object model would be similar | 14:31 |
| jorgem | enikanorov: Sounds good just want to make sure we have something for all proposals in order to compare fairly | 14:31 |
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| enikanorov | jorgem: the thing is that comparison will go down to obj model | 14:32 |
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| enikanorov | because it still has 1-1 mapping with the API | 14:32 |
| sbalukoff | enikanorov: Not necessarily 1-1 | 14:32 |
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| blogan | sbalukoff: I like pretty pictures too :) | 14:32 |
| sbalukoff | But yes, I think an API discussion is incomplete without knowing what the resulting object model will look like. | 14:32 |
| enikanorov | yeah, not necessarily, but for most of the objects | 14:32 |
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| jorgem | enikanorov: I disagree. The API is how users will interact with the service. The object model may not be a 1-to-1 mapping. In CAN be but isn't required. | 14:33 |
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| enikanorov | jorgem: you are right, it's not required | 14:33 |
| jorgem | enikanorov: As long as the API satisfies everyone's use cases then we should all be happy right? | 14:33 |
| crc32 | enikanorov: so what would # 2 look like. "POST /vip/loadbalancer/Pools" {"members":[…]}? | 14:33 |
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| enikanorov | we have general constraints like those i mentioned in the beginning | 14:33 |
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| enikanorov | and then we just have to decide 'first class citizens' of the API | 14:34 |
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| enikanorov | it then lead to 1-1 mapping for most of obj model objects | 14:34 |
| enikanorov | jorgem: yep! | 14:34 |
| jorgem | enikanorov: I guess I'd like to understand this constraints a little better so that I don't go down the wrong path then. | 14:34 |
| crc32 | would there be a call like "PUT /loadbalancer/someuuid/attach_member/{member_uuid}" | 14:34 |
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| jorgem | markmcclain: What constraints do we have in making a new API? | 14:35 |
| enikanorov | jorgem: i think looking at Neutron API will help with that | 14:35 |
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| obondarev | seems we just need to have both API calls and object model in each proposal so everybody would be happy | 14:35 |
| markmcclain | jorgem: honestly we don't have any | 14:35 |
| enikanorov | what it usually does, and what it doesn't do | 14:35 |
| markmcclain | talking with other large deployers the common response is folks want something that works | 14:35 |
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| sbalukoff | markmcclain: Other that "don't do stupid things?" ;) | 14:35 |
| blogan | hopefully somethign that just works and something that doesn't cause confusion | 14:36 |
| sbalukoff | blogan: Indeed! | 14:36 |
| markmcclain | right we also have to be careful to remember that some of the larger users of loadbalancing do much more than http(s) | 14:36 |
| german_ | I think adding some examples will help avoid confusion | 14:37 |
| crc32 | I think we need something more concrete, | 14:37 |
| jorgem | enikanorov: From your perspective what constraints are there? I'd like to keep them in mind when working on the API proposals | 14:37 |
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| enikanorov | jorgem: doing same thing with several ways is one of such (at least, to think of it before actually implementing another way) | 14:37 |
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| sbalukoff | enikanorov: That kind of vetoes the whole "single call" discussion, which I'm not sure is fair. | 14:38 |
| blogan | we can definitely put together an object model for this API but we were hoping to get the community's ideas on tweaks that could be done before we started drafting the object model | 14:38 |
| jorgem | enikanorov: so multiple calls vs single call I'm guessing? This as discussed last week would be a choice. | 14:38 |
| crc32 | yea seems like that constraint was made up on the fly. lol | 14:38 |
| jorgem | enikanorov: Let me work on this a little more in the following week. I think I can convince you. | 14:39 |
| enikanorov | another constraint is consistency | 14:39 |
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| german_ | what do you mean by that? | 14:39 |
| sballe | enikanorov: Can you elaborate on consistency? | 14:40 |
| enikanorov | as i said, if we go with single-call, than everything should be possible with that single call | 14:40 |
| enikanorov | no 'support calls' | 14:40 |
| crc32 | enikonorov: Meaning consistency for the neutron api and thats the only Argument I'm taking into consideration. I'm waying the needs of our customers with the need to look consistent with neutron. | 14:40 |
| enikanorov | otherwise it would be just no point in in | 14:40 |
| rm_work | enikanorov: are there any proposals that violate that? | 14:40 |
| enikanorov | *it | 14:40 |
| crc32 | not ours. | 14:41 |
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| enikanorov | rm_work: it's just that existing proposal is not capable for that yet | 14:41 |
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| blogan | enikanorov: how so? | 14:41 |
| rm_work | enikanorov: the proposal that jorge made *is* capable of that, unless I am missing something | 14:41 |
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| crc32 | but I don't agree with the premise "If it doesn't support all complex cases there for lets junk the whole concept of a single API call". | 14:42 |
| german_ | +1 | 14:42 |
| enikanorov | it will, when we resolve how to deal with arbitrary object graph within a json | 14:42 |
| german_ | I am happy when 90% of cases can be covered by a single call | 14:42 |
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| rm_work | enikanorov: i think there was actually a section covering this, unless I am mistaken... | 14:42 |
| enikanorov | crc32: i'm not 'junking' it, i would just like to see it in its completeness | 14:43 |
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| sbalukoff | crc32: Right. But, we don't know what the simple case being asked for looks like. I'd like those who are looking for "single call" functionality to elaborate on that (some examples would really help here!) | 14:43 |
| blogan | rm_work: there wasn't a section on that, well not a explicit section, but I explained it in the ML | 14:44 |
| rm_work | blogan: ah, i think your ML response was what I was thinking of | 14:44 |
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| crc32 | Here qre examples of proposed API calls. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1mTfkkdnPAd4tWOMZAdwHEx7IuFZDULjG9bTmWyXe-zo/edit?pli=1 | 14:45 |
| obondarev | I'm wondering if single-call api is something that can't be discussed/added as an extension after we agree on the main api (covering all use cases) | 14:45 |
| rm_work | actually, i had remembered changing it so the rules were actually defined WITH the pool in question, so we didn't even have to do inter-json references… which was the only place that was happening originally… was that change not included int his proposal? | 14:45 |
| blogan | however we should definitely go back to that document and add how all the use cases would be accomplished using the api, an object model, and also probably put it on the wiki since that monolithic text document sucks for navigating to sections | 14:45 |
| enikanorov | Q: Why only one pool per load balancer? | 14:46 |
| enikanorov | A: One pool per load balancer also simplifies everything. | 14:46 |
| enikanorov | srsly? | 14:46 |
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| sbalukoff | obondarev: I think we can do both discussion in parallel, but probably on the ML. | 14:46 |
| enikanorov | 1 pool per loadbalancer is already supported right now | 14:46 |
| blogan | obondarev: i totally agree with that, it should not be a deal breaker for the api | 14:46 |
| rm_work | enikanorov: multiple pools are covered in the content_switching object, with the single pool on the high-level object being the default pool | 14:46 |
| enikanorov | if that's what all want, we don't need to even discuss the API | 14:46 |
| crc32 | enikanorov: Yea I think we could rethink the single pool per loadbalancer. | 14:47 |
| crc32 | enikanorov: I think they took it out and placed it in content-switching since thats the only place that required one as of now. | 14:47 |
| enikanorov | crc32: not really, not the only place | 14:48 |
| blogan | enikanorov: if that is a big problem then yes multiple pools can be added but it needs to be well thought out | 14:48 |
| enikanorov | pool is merely a group of nodes | 14:48 |
| rm_work | enikanorov: we would love feedback on examples of where else having multiple pools would be required | 14:48 |
| enikanorov | not more than that | 14:48 |
| enikanorov | it's not a loadbalancer | 14:48 |
| sbalukoff | enikanorov: Er.. I think it has some other attributes, too. | 14:48 |
| rm_work | we literally couldn't think of any cases besides L7 switching | 14:48 |
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| enikanorov | we can bind it so one, or to two | 14:48 |
| bbaby | One port and one protocol simplifies everything - Will this be a problem for dns vips as it uses both tcp and udp | 14:48 |
| german_ | we need to map some of our use cases to the APi to understand if everyhting is supported | 14:48 |
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| rm_work | bbaby: i think typically "TCP_AND_UDP" together is defined as a protocol? | 14:49 |
| sbalukoff | bbaby: Careful-- they're using 'load balancer' to mean something not discussed in this list. | 14:49 |
| rm_work | someone else can correct me if that is wrong | 14:49 |
| blogan | bbaby if that is required another load balancer can share the same vip and use the same port as long as one is tcp and the other is udp | 14:49 |
| sbalukoff | german_: That would be helpful, too! | 14:49 |
| rm_work | blogan: ah, is that how we take care of that use case? | 14:50 |
| blogan | baby: or what rm_work said | 14:50 |
| sbalukoff | blogan: Again, please define 'load balancer' before going down this rabbit hole. | 14:50 |
| enikanorov | rm_work: why to think about the cases beside l7 switching? | 14:50 |
| rm_work | sbalukoff: i don't know how that term causes so much confusion? but we will do so | 14:50 |
| enikanorov | rm_work: are you putting L7 out of roadmap? | 14:50 |
| blogan | sbalukoff: load balancer being defined as how this api proposal uses it | 14:50 |
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| rm_work | enikanorov: no! it is specifically handled there | 14:50 |
| sbalukoff | rm_work: It causes confusion because we've being using it to mean something else for the several weeks we've been having this discussion here. :) | 14:51 |
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| rm_work | enikanorov: so then, why ELSE would we need multiple pools? if L7 switching is the only reason, then the definition as it is takes care of that requirement | 14:51 |
| sbalukoff | rm_work: This actually was the main reason we put together that glossary page! | 14:51 |
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| rm_work | sbalukoff: i mean, a load balancer is a load balancer. what else does it mean? use the definition from dictionary.com? | 14:51 |
| rm_work | i don't think we use it any different | 14:51 |
| german_ | listener :-) | 14:51 |
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| enikanorov | rm_work: so, the thing is that pool is just a pool, not a two kinds, one in 'default' section and another in 'content-switching' | 14:52 |
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| rm_work | enikanorov: it is not two different kinds of pool. they are literally the same object type | 14:52 |
| enikanorov | pool, say, could be reused potentially by different VIPs | 14:52 |
| ptoohill | They are the same thing | 14:52 |
| sbalukoff | rm_work: I don't care whose definition you use as long as you define it. There are clearly different things meant with how you're using it versus how this group has been using it. | 14:52 |
| enikanorov | i mean that i'd like to define them in the same way | 14:52 |
| rm_work | sbalukoff: if that is the case then the group should have defined it before, because my understanding of the term LoadBalancer has not changed in the past year or so | 14:53 |
| blogan | i dont think debating about the name load balancer versus listener, or the single api call is the big problems we whould discuss | 14:53 |
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| blogan | that can be resolved later if this goes forward, if it doesn't then there's no point in debating it | 14:53 |
| german_ | +1 | 14:53 |
| rm_work | sbalukoff: so apparently I have been misunderstanding the term loadbalancer as used by this group for the past months | 14:53 |
| german_ | that | 14:53 |
| ptoohill | ditto | 14:53 |
| blogan | what enikanorov broguth up about the single pool versus multiple pool should be worth the time for debate | 14:54 |
| german_ | 's why the glossary came into existence | 14:54 |
| crc32 | Single API call seems pretty important to me though. | 14:54 |
| enikanorov | ok, folks | 14:54 |
| sbalukoff | blogan: If we're not using consistent definitions, then this discussion tends to go nowhere. We've had a few months to confirm this and hence a glossary was invented. Do we really need to do it again? | 14:54 |
| enikanorov | on slightly different matter | 14:54 |
| enikanorov | here's a patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/72092/ | 14:54 |
| enikanorov | that implements 'loadbalancer instance' | 14:54 |
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| enikanorov | I can embed there simple support for 'single call' API | 14:54 |
| enikanorov | in fact, it would be simpler than suggested in your doc | 14:55 |
| enikanorov | but it still will cover somve simple cases | 14:55 |
| rm_work | sbalukoff: well, apparently no one defined loadbalancer on the glossary to begin with, which is an oversight. (I think everyone all assumed their definition was the obvious one). you seem to be using this fact to attack the current proposal specifically.... | 14:55 |
| rm_work | let's define it on the glossary and move on | 14:55 |
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| blogan | rm_work: there is a load balancer definition | 14:55 |
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| rm_work | oh, ok yes, i missed it | 14:56 |
| rm_work | …. and the definition there is EXACTLY how we are using it | 14:56 |
| rm_work | so i don't see the problem? sbalukoff ? | 14:56 |
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| german_ | let's get some action items | 14:56 |
| blogan | rm_work: not exactly, it maps to multiple pools (and ours does with L7 switching), and it maps to multiple ports | 14:56 |
| blogan | rm_work: which ours doesn't without creating another load balancer | 14:57 |
| rm_work | it doesn't say that necessarily | 14:57 |
| enikanorov | rm_work: i believe it was defined in the glossary, no? | 14:57 |
| rm_work | "An object that represent a logical load balancer that may have multiple resources such as Vips, Pools, Members, etc." | 14:57 |
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| rm_work | it doesn't say "multiple of each" anywhere | 14:57 |
| rm_work | just that it has multiple resources, including those | 14:57 |
| blogan | rm_work: you may be right | 14:57 |
| crc32 | sbalukoff: Can you continue to work on the SSL L7 side of the API your advocating. Were pretty flexible and would like to see your ideas. And by ideas could you provide examples of the rest calls and the object model. I agree they are tightly integrated but defining only one side leaves the other side open to interpretation. | 14:57 |
| rm_work | and that it is the root object | 14:57 |
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| sbalukoff | crc32: I'd be happy to! | 14:58 |
| rm_work | though I'm not sure why it includes members, since in every definition we've seen, they have been within a pool not directly within the LB | 14:58 |
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| german_ | #action sbalukoff work on the SSL L7 side of the API | 14:59 |
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| sbalukoff | rm_work: Agreed, members should be subordinate only to pools. | 14:59 |
| rm_work | anyway, sbalukoff if you could expand on how you think we are using the term differently? i really do not understand -- i promise i am not trying to be difficult :( | 14:59 |
| enikanorov | #action sbalukoff to prepare API for SSL and L7 | 14:59 |
| crc32 | sbalukoff: it looks like you were thinking of the same thing I was with your concept of front-end back-end certs. I think we should use that instead of DecryptSSL and ReEncryptSSL. | 14:59 |
| sbalukoff | rm_work: Looks like I'll have to do that on the mailing list. | 14:59 |
| sbalukoff | We're out of time. | 14:59 |
| rm_work | sbalukoff: ok :( | 14:59 |
| rm_work | I will look for that | 14:59 |
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| enikanorov | ok folks, we need to wrap up | 15:00 |
| obondarev | I'd also like to remind about backward compatibility (which apparently seems not required now but still is a very nice thing to have) while developing new API/object models | 15:00 |
| enikanorov | thanks everyone | 15:00 |
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| jorgem | thanks | 15:00 |
| rm_work | and sorry for being half-blind this morning and missing it entirely on my first pass of the page :P | 15:00 |
| enikanorov | #endmeeting | 15:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Apr 17 15:00:38 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_lbaas/2014/neutron_lbaas.2014-04-17-14.00.html | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_lbaas/2014/neutron_lbaas.2014-04-17-14.00.txt | 15:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_lbaas/2014/neutron_lbaas.2014-04-17-14.00.log.html | 15:00 |
| sballe | bye | 15:00 |
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| eglynn | #startmeeting ceilometer | 15:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Thu Apr 17 15:00:52 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is eglynn. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: ceilometer)" | 15:00 | |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ceilometer' | 15:00 |
| eglynn | welcome all :) | 15:01 |
| ildikov | o/ | 15:01 |
| nealph | o/ | 15:01 |
| nprivalova | o/ | 15:01 |
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| nealph | thin crowd today. :) | 15:01 |
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| jd__ | o/ | 15:02 |
| eglynn | nealph: yeah, just thinking | 15:02 |
| eglynn | k, we got quorem methinks | 15:02 |
| eglynn | #topic icehouse released! | 15:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "icehouse released! (Meeting topic: ceilometer)" | 15:02 | |
| eglynn | #link https://launchpad.net/ceilometer/icehouse/2014.1 | 15:02 |
| eglynn | high-fives & bear-hugs all round, spark up those cigars :) | 15:02 |
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| eglynn | we needed a last-minute RC3 for that bug with the SNMP load averages | 15:03 |
| nprivalova | congrats!! | 15:03 |
| dhellmann | o/ | 15:03 |
| eglynn | ... luckily ttx was in an adventrous mood! ;) | 15:03 |
| dhellmann | good work, everyone! | 15:03 |
| sileht | o/ | 15:03 |
| llu-laptop | o/ | 15:03 |
| eglynn | yeap, let the mutual back-slapping begin! ;) | 15:04 |
| jd__ | :-) | 15:04 |
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| jd__ | thanks everyone | 15:04 |
| jd__ | it was a great cycle :) | 15:04 |
| llu-laptop | sorry for that SNMP bug, I didn't catch that when rebasing Toni's snmp work | 15:04 |
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| eglynn | and thank you jd__ for all the cat-wrangling :) | 15:04 |
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| eglynn | llu-laptop: np, I figured that ... also I +1'd the patch | 15:04 |
| eglynn | ... or is the phrase cat-herding? | 15:05 |
| nealph | either is applicable in this case, methinks. | 15:05 |
| eglynn | cool | 15:06 |
| eglynn | #topic recap on ongoing TC gap analysis for ceilometer | 15:06 |
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| eglynn | we had the gap analysis action plan review on Tuesday evening | 15:06 |
| eglynn | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2014/tc.2014-04-15-20.03.log.html | 15:06 |
| eglynn | here's the action plan etherpad, with actions & designated owners etc | 15:07 |
| eglynn | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ceilometer-integration-gap-analysis-coverage-plan | 15:07 |
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| eglynn | TL;DR: the TC approved of the plan, but expect to see definite progress on closing gaps in Juno | 15:07 |
| eglynn | ... esp. re the Tempest-related gaps | 15:08 |
| eglynn | ... we need to frontload progress onto j1 or latest j2 | 15:08 |
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| eglynn | ... not to pile on the pressure or anything ;) | 15:08 |
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| nealph | eglynn:how can non-owners pitch in? | 15:08 |
| jd__ | non-owners? | 15:09 |
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| nealph | i.e. those not assigned to the etherpad items | 15:09 |
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| eglynn | nealph: contirbuting to the summit sessions, picking up BPs, landing patches ... the usual way | 15:09 |
| nealph | but willing to help... | 15:09 |
| ildikov | nealph: these are just the areas | 15:09 |
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| eglynn | nealph: ... the term "owner" wasn't meant to be exclusive | 15:09 |
| nprivalova | nealph: I think "owners" is just a person to punish :) | 15:10 |
| nealph | sure, okay. was really asking if there was a separate process for these gaps...answer is "no". | 15:10 |
| ildikov | nealph: there will corresponding BPs, tasks, that you can assign to yourself, so the names are the responsibles for the whole area | 15:10 |
| nprivalova | nealph: and they need help anyway :) | 15:10 |
| eglynn | nealph: ... the idea was more to reassure the TC that the items wouldn't fall thru the cracks | 15:11 |
| eglynn | nealph: ... not to ringfence off tasks only for certain contributors | 15:11 |
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| eglynn | nprivalova: ... bad choice of words on my part, not very open-source-y | 15:12 |
| eglynn | nealph: ^^^ | 15:12 |
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| nealph | eglynn:cool..."a single neck to wring". :) | 15:12 |
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| nprivalova | :-D | 15:12 |
| eglynn | LOL :) | 15:13 |
| dhellmann | s/owner/driver | 15:13 |
| ildikov | BTW, if anyone has ideas/questions/topics to talk about for the Mike Bayer SQLA session on the summit, pleasee add a note to this etherpad: #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/juno-oslo-bayer | 15:13 |
| eglynn | dhellmann: yep, that's better ... will change it | 15:13 |
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| eglynn | overriding message: lets commit to closing off these gaps during Juno | 15:14 |
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| eglynn | k, moving on? | 15:16 |
| eglynn | #topic f20-based gating for ceilo/py27, also possibly a tempest-mongodb variant | 15:16 |
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| eglynn | so basically the mongo scenario tests only run in the py26 job on centos :( | 15:16 |
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| eglynn | since py27 is our "primary" check job, we need the mongo tests running under 27 also | 15:17 |
| eglynn | initial idea is to rebase this on Fedora 20 | 15:17 |
| nprivalova | AFAIK, Ubuntu 14 is comming and will have Mongo | 15:17 |
| eglynn | nprivalova: true, but we don't have a tight time constraint on the Trusty switchover for the gate | 15:18 |
| nprivalova | today | 15:18 |
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| eglynn | nprivalova: switch over is happening today? | 15:18 |
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| eglynn | nprivalova: ... I thought it was more "sometime during the Juno cycle" | 15:19 |
| nprivalova | eglynn: no, it's released today. switching will take 2-8 weeks | 15:19 |
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| nprivalova | we may ask infra | 15:19 |
| eglynn | nprivalova: AFAIK there are new f20 nodes coming on stream very soon in the gate nodepool for tripleO testing | 15:19 |
| eglynn | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/86842/ | 15:20 |
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| eglynn | so we could be up and motoring with an f20-based py27 job for ceilo within days potentially | 15:20 |
| nprivalova | sounds great | 15:20 |
| eglynn | cool! | 15:21 |
| nprivalova | and for tempest? | 15:21 |
| eglynn | nprivalova: for tempest, we could do similar assuming the py27 job proves itself | 15:21 |
| eglynn | nprivalova: ... i.e. an f20 or event centos7-based mongodb variant of the tempest job | 15:22 |
| jd__ | that's cool but that does not bridge any gap | 15:22 |
| * jd__ party killer | 15:22 | |
| gordc | eglynn: how do gates work with f20 and ubuntu14? they just gate randomly on either OS? | 15:22 |
| eglynn | gordc: jobs will be target'd to one or the other is my understanding | 15:23 |
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| gordc | eglynn: i see. | 15:23 |
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| eglynn | jd__: potentially the blocked tempest tests could then land, if decorated as "slow running tests" or whatever so not run agains sqla | 15:23 |
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| nprivalova | I think we need to determine plan for tempest. Are we going to make sql driver work faster :)? Or we will test only Mongo (assuming it's fast enough)? | 15:23 |
| eglynn | jd__: so gaps bridged initially = [py27 scenarios on mongo, wider tempest coverage for mongo only] | 15:24 |
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| eglynn | nprivalova: yes we need to fix sqla as well | 15:24 |
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| jd__ | ok | 15:25 |
| nprivalova | eglynn: running tempest for Mongo only will fill the gap? | 15:25 |
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| gordc | nprivalova: i think a data model rework will allow sql to function with tempest... postgres works right now no? | 15:26 |
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| eglynn | nprivalova: well the idea was to have "main tempest job" still run against sqla with the slow tests excluded | 15:26 |
| eglynn | nprivalova: ... and also a "variant tempest job" run against mongo will all tests enabled | 15:26 |
| nprivalova | gordc: will check that. cannot say right now | 15:26 |
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| eglynn | nprivalova: ... same as we have a variant tempest run against postgres currently, right? | 15:27 |
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| nprivalova | eglynn: it's running against postgres, right. And once it was successful. I will check that ASAP | 15:28 |
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| eglynn | nprivalova: ... yeah so I meant the principal of having variants of the tempest jobs targeted to different DBs (mysql versus postgres) is already established practice | 15:29 |
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| eglynn | nprivalova: ... /me is hoping that'll allow us to argue the case with infra for an extra tempest job based on mongo | 15:29 |
| nprivalova | eglynn: right, I see | 15:29 |
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| eglynn | but I think first step is just get py27 running on f20 with mongo scenarios actually tested | 15:30 |
| eglynn | maybe even make that new py27 job non-voting for a short transition period? | 15:30 |
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| eglynn | then disable the old py27 job after a couple of days | 15:31 |
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| eglynn | ... /me is not familiar with negotiating with infra folks, nprivalova prolly has a better sense of what they might agree to? | 15:31 |
| gordc | eglynn: i had some people from Percona (a MySQL company) ask me where they can contribute to Ceilometer in regards to MySQL. maybe they can look at sql backend for us (so we don't need to abandon it) | 15:32 |
| nprivalova | eglynn: ok, will try to talk to them | 15:32 |
| eglynn | nprivalova: thanks! | 15:32 |
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| nprivalova | eglynn: you may create #action on me | 15:32 |
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| eglynn | gordc: yeah jd__ forwarded me a note from Matt Griffin also, sounds promising! | 15:33 |
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| gordc | eglynn: cool cool. same email probably. | 15:33 |
| eglynn | #action nprivalova reach out to infra to discuss rebasing ceilo/py27 check job on f20 | 15:34 |
| eglynn | gordc: cool | 15:34 |
| eglynn | prolly should move on | 15:34 |
| nealph | nprivalova:eglynn:I thought there was some thought around schema re-architecting...is the percona discussion related, or a new approach? | 15:34 |
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| gordc | nealph: i told them to join the schema re-architecting session. | 15:35 |
| eglynn | nealph: my understanding is that we hope they'll have some good domain knowledge for rationalizing our SQL schema | 15:35 |
| eglynn | yep wot gordc said | 15:35 |
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| eglynn | #topic Tempest integration | 15:36 |
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| eglynn | nprivalova: anything extra to add to the f20/sqla/mongo discussion above? | 15:36 |
| nprivalova | we've already discussed several thing above. I can add that we've started to implement alarm-scenario test | 15:37 |
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| eglynn | nprivalova: cool, thanks! | 15:37 |
| eglynn | #topic Release python-ceilometerclient? | 15:37 |
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| eglynn | no need | 15:37 |
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| eglynn | AFAIK anyway | 15:37 |
| eglynn | #topic New alternate meeting time slot, replacing the Wed 2100UTC | 15:38 |
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| eglynn | so this was mooted at last week's meeting | 15:38 |
| eglynn | but deferred since we didn't really have quorem then | 15:38 |
| nprivalova | 2100UTC is now :)? | 15:38 |
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| eglynn | yep with DST esp, the Wed meeting is getting pretty late for Europe | 15:38 |
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| eglynn | ... 10pm Dublin, 11pm continental Europe, 1am Moscow | 15:39 |
| eglynn | I've a vague notion that the alternating slot was to facilitate our then active core from Australia? | 15:39 |
| llu-laptop | nprivalova: I think now is 15:39UTC | 15:39 |
| nprivalova | llu-laptop: thanks, true | 15:39 |
| jd__ | eglynn: it was | 15:39 |
| jd__ | tsss nprivalova :) | 15:40 |
| eglynn | yeah so Melbourne is UTC+10 now (UTC+11 in their summer) hence the need | 15:40 |
| jd__ | we can drop the alternative time if nobody objects | 15:40 |
| sileht | +1 | 15:40 |
| jd__ | and I won't. | 15:40 |
| nprivalova | so I would be happy to change time a little | 15:40 |
| eglynn | jd__: yeah good timeslot to reflect current contributor timezones | 15:40 |
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| gordc | this time works for me. | 15:41 |
| eglynn | gordc: Toronto is EST/EDT (UTC-5/4) right? | 15:41 |
| llu-laptop | jd__: that means UTC15 all? That's fine to me | 15:41 |
| eglynn | llu-laptop: China is UTC+8 all year round? | 15:41 |
| gordc | its 10/11am for me in toronto | 15:41 |
| llu-laptop | eglynn: yep | 15:41 |
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| jd__ | that's now basically, nealph , if you're there :) | 15:42 |
| eglynn | llu-laptop: so 15UTC == 2300 CST, not too late for you? | 15:42 |
| nprivalova | eglynn: do you suggest a new time? I'm lost | 15:42 |
| eglynn | nprivalova: suggestion is to just go with a single slot same every week | 15:42 |
| jd__ | what about Sunday? No I'm not trying to scramble your minds | 15:43 |
| gordc | nprivalova: this time slot | 15:43 |
| * nealph feels better that someone else wasn't tracking... | 15:43 | |
| nprivalova | gordc: 15UTC? | 15:43 |
| gordc | jd__: i'd love to work on sunday. | 15:43 |
| llu-laptop | eglynn: i can live with that. at least it's much better than 21UTC | 15:43 |
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| gordc | nprivalova: yep | 15:44 |
| jd__ | gordc: I'm sure nobody will object if you do | 15:44 |
| ildikov | jd__: Sunday is my favourite workday too ;) | 15:44 |
| eglynn | ... do we have any West Coast US contributors? | 15:44 |
| llu-laptop | eglynn: but if someone try to move it early, happy to do that :) | 15:44 |
| nealph | eglynn:will likely have some joining in the near future | 15:44 |
| gordc | jd__: it's agreed that everyone will be hungover for sunday's meeting right?lol | 15:44 |
| eglynn | llu-laptop: great thanks! | 15:44 |
| jd__ | gordc: I nod | 15:44 |
| eglynn | nealph: so 1500UTC == 0700PST, outrageously early? | 15:44 |
| nealph | eglynn: I don't think so....can't be ideal for everyone. | 15:45 |
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| nealph | :) | 15:45 |
| eglynn | nealph: k, thaaks! | 15:46 |
| eglynn | *thanks | 15:46 |
| eglynn | so I think we've converged on a rough consensus | 15:46 |
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| eglynn | #agreed move to a single weekly meeting timeslot at 1500UTC | 15:46 |
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| eglynn | since we've already got this channel every second week, we shouldn't need to move to the -alt meeting channel either | 15:47 |
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| eglynn | #topic summit sessions | 15:48 |
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| eglynn | quick reminder folks, we're coming up fast against the deadline for proposals | 15:48 |
| eglynn | ... weirdly that's Easter Sunday this year (april 20th) | 15:48 |
| eglynn | (... speaking of working on Sundays) | 15:48 |
| eglynn | so if you've something in mind, please knock out a proposal | 15:49 |
| eglynn | #link http://summit.openstack.org/ | 15:49 |
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| * jd__ did | 15:49 | |
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| * eglynn thanks jd__ :) | 15:49 | |
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| eglynn | while we already have more proposals than slots, there'll be some trimming of that current list | 15:50 |
| eglynn | (for dupes, merges etc.) | 15:50 |
| jd__ | dunnow if you read my long rant, but maybe that may pop a new session, don't know | 15:50 |
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| eglynn | jd__: I did and I was gonna suggest just that | 15:50 |
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| eglynn | jd__: ... on the unadorned metric time series data etc. | 15:51 |
| jd__ | now I'm going to have pressure to work on that until th summit | 15:51 |
| eglynn | jd__: ... sounds great and defo needs to be discussed, but obviously cross-over with the data model session too? | 15:51 |
| jd__ | yep | 15:51 |
| jd__ | maybe having one session is enough | 15:52 |
| jd__ | I think it depends on how many slot you can use for that | 15:52 |
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| eglynn | jd__: or give ourselves the option to slip over into another half-slot possibly | 15:52 |
| jd__ | yep | 15:52 |
| eglynn | k, let's see how the final proposal list looks on the 20th, then we can do the horse-trading as necessary | 15:53 |
| * jd__ nods | 15:53 | |
| eglynn | #topic open discussion | 15:54 |
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| nealph | eglynn: data model session = http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/details/163? | 15:54 |
| eglynn | nealph: exactomundo! | 15:55 |
| mattgriffin | nealph, eglynn: just wrapped up another meeting and catching up in the discussion | 15:55 |
| mattgriffin | would like to see where percona can help on this | 15:55 |
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| eglynn | mattgriffin: your input during that session in ATL would be great! | 15:57 |
| gordc | mattgriffin: i'm tied to this work... i'm more than happy to secretly defer work to you guys :) | 15:57 |
| mattgriffin | eglynn, cool. is there any more context or issues reported that would be good to prep for ATL? | 15:57 |
| mattgriffin | gordc, :) | 15:57 |
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| gordc | mattgriffin: there were a few mailing list items regarding ceilometer and tempest in march i believe... that might give some background. | 15:58 |
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| mattgriffin | gordc, cool | 15:59 |
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| eglynn | gordc: could you and Alexei put together a quick etherpad in advance of the session, with links to relevant ML threads etc.? | 15:59 |
| eglynn | (so that mattgriffin has a single source for background?) | 15:59 |
| gordc | sure. | 15:59 |
| eglynn | gordc: thank you sir! | 15:59 |
| eglynn | k, we're up against the shot clock here folks | 16:00 |
| eglynn | I'll wrap up as it's the top of hour, assuming no one has anything else pressing? | 16:00 |
| eglynn | thanks folks for a productive meeting! :) | 16:01 |
| eglynn | #endmeeting ceilometer | 16:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Apr 17 16:01:20 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ceilometer/2014/ceilometer.2014-04-17-15.00.html | 16:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ceilometer/2014/ceilometer.2014-04-17-15.00.txt | 16:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ceilometer/2014/ceilometer.2014-04-17-15.00.log.html | 16:01 |
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| bdpayne | #startmeeting OpenStack Security Group | 18:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Apr 17 18:01:00 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is bdpayne. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_security_group' | 18:01 |
| bdpayne | #topic Roll Call | 18:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Roll Call (Meeting topic: OpenStack Security Group)" | 18:01 | |
| bdpayne | o/ everyone | 18:01 |
| nkinder | o/ | 18:01 |
| * hyakuhei from HP is here! | 18:01 | |
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| bknudson | bdpayne: hi | 18:01 |
| CristianF_ | Hi! | 18:01 |
| shohel02 | o / | 18:01 |
| chair6 | g'day | 18:01 |
| bdpayne | excellent, nice group | 18:01 |
| bdpayne | #topic Agenda | 18:01 |
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| bdpayne | What would people like to discuss today? | 18:01 |
| dgraves_ | Hi. I’m David Graves, new here. I’ve been running the threat analysis program for HP Public Cloud for three years. | 18:02 |
| bknudson | anything but heartbleed | 18:02 |
| bdpayne | hi, welcome! | 18:02 |
| nkinder | Hi dgraves_ | 18:02 |
| hyakuhei | bknudson: what's heartbleed? Sounds scary | 18:02 |
| bdpayne | lol... !heartbleed, I can support that | 18:02 |
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| nkinder | bdpayne: I can give a small update on OSSN publishing | 18:02 |
| chair6 | still think it should've been called sleepbleed.. | 18:02 |
| paulmo | Paul Montgomery here | 18:02 |
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| hyakuhei | Hey paulmo | 18:02 |
| nkinder | hey paulmo | 18:03 |
| hyakuhei | I'd like to discuss what the focus of the OSSG should be for the next 6 months | 18:03 |
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| bdpayne | sounds juicy | 18:03 |
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| elo1 | Eric here... | 18:03 |
| elo1 | its been awhile.. | 18:03 |
| bdpayne | also a brief sync on OSSN-0010 would be good | 18:03 |
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| bdpayne | ok, so let's get rolling | 18:04 |
| bdpayne | I'll leave room at the bottom for additional discussion if people come up with other things | 18:04 |
| bdpayne | #topic OSSNs | 18:04 |
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| bdpayne | So right now I believe the only outstanding OSSN is 10 | 18:04 |
| nkinder | It's on my list to review today | 18:04 |
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| bdpayne | great | 18:04 |
| bdpayne | the recent changes look good | 18:04 |
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| bdpayne | just needs one more core review | 18:05 |
| nkinder | I've been out at a conference all week, so finally catching up again | 18:05 |
| chair6 | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/85441/ | 18:05 |
| bdpayne | also, do we have the process for publishing a OSSN listed anywhere? | 18:05 |
| chair6 | ^ for the record .. pretty much beaten to death at this point, so let's get it out | 18:05 |
| nkinder | Yes, I have it documented on the wiki (link coming) | 18:05 |
| nkinder | chair6: I'm also happy to publish it if you like | 18:05 |
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| bdpayne | we have lot on the wiki... we should work to make it all easier to find... perhaps organize the content links from a common security landing page | 18:06 |
| hyakuhei | I'm happy with 0010 - I've +2'd it but as I work with Jamie, someone else should approve | 18:06 |
| * bdpayne is just thinking out loud | 18:06 | |
| nkinder | hyakuhei: I'll do it right after the meeting | 18:06 |
| bdpayne | groovy | 18:06 |
| hyakuhei | TY! | 18:06 |
| chair6 | nkinder: sounds good, yours to publish | 18:06 |
| nkinder | ok. FYI for the publishing details - https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Security/Security_Note_Process | 18:07 |
| bdpayne | ok, I'm sure the next topic will be lengthy, so I'll keep us moving along here | 18:07 |
| bdpayne | ah, thanks | 18:07 |
| hyakuhei | I just realised that https://bugs.launchpad.net/glance/+bug/1271426 is waiting for me to write up | 18:07 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1271426 in ossn "protected property change not rejected if a subsequent rule match accepts them" [High,Confirmed] | 18:07 |
| bdpayne | #topic OSSG Plans for Juno | 18:07 |
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| bdpayne | hyakuhei take it away ;-) | 18:07 |
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| hyakuhei | Thanks bdpayne | 18:07 |
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| hyakuhei | So a little while ago I sent around a work topics email with some 5-6 things that I thought we could look into | 18:08 |
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| hyakuhei | Since then I've spoken with a bunch of people from the OSSG, and the feeling is that we don't quite have the resource to attack all of these things at once | 18:08 |
| nkinder | I think that's pretty accurate | 18:09 |
| hyakuhei | We should pick a few to focus on, at the moment I think Security Guide updates / edits - OSSNs and perhaps threat analysis seem like the best candidates. | 18:09 |
| bdpayne | yeah, I like that | 18:09 |
| bdpayne | specifically, I like those three | 18:09 |
| hyakuhei | To that end, if people feel these are good places to focus on and really excel, I'd like to look at having individuals lead each one of those three | 18:09 |
| nkinder | +1 | 18:09 |
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| dgraves_ | I’d like to start contributing directly to the OpenStack threat analysis project. | 18:10 |
| shohel02 | welcome david | 18:10 |
| nkinder | I've already focused on OSSN stuff, so I'd be happy to lead that area | 18:10 |
| bdpayne | I know that we have a 3-person team setup to serve of book editors | 18:10 |
| dgraves_ | (In the past I was working through others; when a threat analysis review found defects, the HP service team would contribute the fix to OpenStack) | 18:10 |
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| bdpayne | however, progress has stagnated | 18:10 |
| hyakuhei | There's good reasons to do these, they build credability in the OpenStack community and also enable us to get more involved with developers, we need as a group, to get closer to most of the lead devs | 18:10 |
| hyakuhei | bdpayne: I'd like to help with the book work but I don't want to lead efforts in that area. | 18:11 |
| bdpayne | I am willing to take on leading that and trying to push the book work forward, but would want to sync with those other people first | 18:11 |
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| shohel02 | i would be happy to work/lead in threat analysis work | 18:11 |
| hyakuhei | shohel02: you and dgraves_ should probably exchange contact details - I think you've got a bunch to talk about :) | 18:11 |
| hyakuhei | bdpayne: makes sense | 18:11 |
| shohel02 | yes, david we should | 18:12 |
| bdpayne | hyakuhei yeah, I don't think you should lead any of the efforts... just leading OSSG will keep you plenty busy ;-) | 18:12 |
| hyakuhei | bdpayne: +1 | 18:12 |
| CristianF_ | I would be happy to continue contributing with threat model effort also | 18:12 |
| hyakuhei | I'm really keen to see where that goes | 18:12 |
| shohel02 | +1 for Cristian | 18:12 |
| hyakuhei | I also want to make sure that the threat work gets a _lot_ of support from the wider OSSG | 18:13 |
| bdpayne | sounds like we have some teams forming here, which is great | 18:13 |
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| hyakuhei | Great - so I'll follow up with an email about this shortly | 18:13 |
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| bdpayne | hyakuhei perhaps you could coordinate to get some updates to the security wiki pages with specific pages highlighting the work in each of these areas? | 18:13 |
| hyakuhei | That seems like a good idea. | 18:14 |
| dgraves_ | Shohel, are you the one at Ericsson in Finland? | 18:14 |
| shohel02 | yes | 18:14 |
| hyakuhei | #action hyakuhei to email team-focus stuff | 18:14 |
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| hyakuhei | #action hyakuhei to update security wiki with this information | 18:15 |
| hyakuhei | Someone else take some actions :P | 18:15 |
| hyakuhei | So the security guidelines are still outstanding | 18:15 |
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| hyakuhei | Largely because of the bug that shall not be named. | 18:15 |
| bdpayne | #action bdpayne to sync with book editor team and find a path forward | 18:15 |
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| hyakuhei | Is it worth us doing as we have before, putting together a list of all the security-relevant design sessions? | 18:17 |
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| hyakuhei | Ideally we want OSSG people in basically all design sessions but we will have to prioritize | 18:17 |
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| bdpayne | we could certainly do that | 18:18 |
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| bdpayne | but I'm not sure if people find it useful | 18:18 |
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| hyakuhei | I don't think I've got much to add - maybe shohel02 can give an update on the Threat work for the wider OSSG ? | 18:18 |
| bdpayne | oh, there will be an ossg design session | 18:18 |
| hyakuhei | :) | 18:19 |
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| shohel02 | Definately | 18:19 |
| bdpayne | we should have a brief summit discussion in this meeting | 18:19 |
| bdpayne | #topic Threat Work Update | 18:19 |
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| bdpayne | first, let's discuss the threat work | 18:19 |
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| shohel02 | Ok, so our ongoing, but we have raised the issue of landing the content | 18:19 |
| shohel02 | last week sent the email, and i guess more or less it is landing in security guide | 18:20 |
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| shohel02 | what do you guys think | 18:20 |
| hyakuhei | I think the guide makes a lot of sense | 18:20 |
| bknudson | like in appendix? | 18:20 |
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| bdpayne | I think that there will be some output from that work that will fit nicely in the guide | 18:21 |
| hyakuhei | With OSSN/OSSA for actionable output | 18:21 |
| shohel02 | yes, | 18:21 |
| bdpayne | but we'll probably want to see what the specific content looks like to understand if it is a new section or an appendix or ?? | 18:21 |
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| hyakuhei | I was wondering what would work best for documented output - chapter sections (one for each services that has a TM) or a wider TM chapter | 18:21 |
| hyakuhei | I'm feeling the former, even though that's slightly more work | 18:21 |
| shohel02 | appendix is a good place, because there will be final report and lot of intermediate report for component analysis | 18:22 |
| nkinder | I was thinking one chapter or paper per service | 18:22 |
| nkinder | It might be larger than an appendix item IMHO | 18:22 |
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| bdpayne | we do have chapters on the services now, so it could fit within that chapter potentially, as well | 18:22 |
| bdpayne | lots of options | 18:22 |
| hyakuhei | It's possible that we are getting ahead of ourselves here, maybe when the output from the first TM is complete, we'll have a better idea for how it will fit | 18:22 |
| bdpayne | but I'm happy to work with the threat analysis team to see how that shakes out | 18:23 |
| hyakuhei | makes sense bdpayne | 18:23 |
| bknudson | I was also thinking put it in with each service... | 18:23 |
| bdpayne | yeah, I gree | 18:23 |
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| bknudson | just looking at the chapters that we have | 18:23 |
| shohel02 | ok, the second thing is quality control, we are talking last time | 18:23 |
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| shohel02 | now that we have big team i think it will be eaiser | 18:23 |
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| CristianF_ | besides the final output of the threat analysis, how would the tracking/reviews be done? gerrit? | 18:24 |
| nkinder | formal reviews through gerrit should help | 18:24 |
| nkinder | CristianF_: yes, my vote would be to use gerrit for it | 18:24 |
| hyakuhei | So my dream is that this process will evolve to the point that large OpenStack deployers will be using this as their primary threat analysis and just performing delta/satellite reviews for their internal secret sauce. | 18:24 |
| hyakuhei | s/using/contributing to/ | 18:24 |
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| shohel02 | +1 | 18:25 |
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| shohel02 | regarding the gerrit/ common repo can we start using security guides repo | 18:25 |
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| shohel02 | or what needs to be done from our side | 18:26 |
| bdpayne | we should probably discuss offline | 18:26 |
| bdpayne | that may not make sense | 18:26 |
| bdpayne | but I want to understand more details first | 18:26 |
| bknudson | you might want a topic branch that you can work in | 18:27 |
| bdpayne | perhaps | 18:27 |
| bdpayne | #topic Summit | 18:27 |
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| bdpayne | I'd like to chat briefly about the summit | 18:27 |
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| bdpayne | There is an OSSH focused design session this time | 18:27 |
| bdpayne | http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/details/230 | 18:27 |
| bdpayne | please plan to attend | 18:28 |
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| bdpayne | I'm hoping that this will be a great way to get us talking with some of the various projects | 18:28 |
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| bdpayne | and for us to coordinate a bit more in person | 18:28 |
| hyakuhei | I'm really looking forward to that | 18:28 |
| bdpayne | there is, of course, also many security talks at the summit... largely on Monday | 18:28 |
| paulmo | Ironically, that site has security warnings :) | 18:28 |
| bknudson | I hope it doesn't conflict with another keystone session | 18:28 |
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| hyakuhei | Nice to not be at the end of the week for once - attrition at the summit is terrible | 18:29 |
| bdpayne | yeah, I haven't seen the dev summit schedule yet | 18:29 |
| bknudson | only the cross-project sessions have been accepted | 18:29 |
| bdpayne | there is also an operators group meeting going on in the unconference that will have a security discussion | 18:29 |
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| bknudson | otherwise the sessions are still open until the 20th | 18:29 |
| bdpayne | I will be involved in leading that discussion | 18:29 |
| bdpayne | #topic Open Discussion | 18:30 |
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| bdpayne | For those in the bay area, you might find this meetup to be interesting | 18:31 |
| bdpayne | http://www.meetup.com/openstack/events/173686002/?_af_eid=173686002&_af=event&a=uc1_te | 18:31 |
| bdpayne | featuring some great speakers like myself and nkinder :-) | 18:31 |
| nkinder | :) | 18:31 |
| chair6 | on the 'coordinate a bit more' note .. do we have an OSSG irc room that everyone idles away their time in? | 18:31 |
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| nkinder | chair6: nope. We could use openstack-dev | 18:31 |
| bdpayne | we don't have a specific room for that, but I do hang out in openstack-dev and openstack-doc | 18:31 |
| shohel02 | good idea | 18:31 |
| hyakuhei | We probably have enough membership to do that now | 18:32 |
| bdpayne | feel free to mention me in there | 18:32 |
| chair6 | k, just curious .. maybe openstack-sec could come to life one day | 18:32 |
| hyakuhei | might be interesting to do that so people have somewhere to drop in | 18:32 |
| bdpayne | perhaps | 18:32 |
| nkinder | It's nice to have things where others will see thenm though | 18:32 |
| bdpayne | sounds like something for hyakuhei to investigate ;-) | 18:32 |
| hyakuhei | Dead rooms make me sad on the inside though. | 18:32 |
| bdpayne | yeah, this is true | 18:32 |
| bdpayne | let's use -dev and see how that goes | 18:32 |
| hyakuhei | Ok, I've got to go jump on a call | 18:33 |
| paulmo | Just bringing this up again: Anything that can give the OSSG some "teeth" in enforcing security requirements would be a very big help. | 18:33 |
| hyakuhei | only problem with -dev is there's no easy way to know who is - or isn't - OSSG | 18:33 |
| bdpayne | eh, I think that's ok | 18:33 |
| bdpayne | we'll be the people that care about security | 18:33 |
| hyakuhei | paulmo: We need more credability and to integrate more tightly with development teams first | 18:33 |
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| hyakuhei | though I certainly agree with your point. | 18:34 |
| bdpayne | yeah, and we are moving in those directions | 18:34 |
| paulmo | I'm on a dev team and even I can't get security requirements into my own project. | 18:34 |
| bdpayne | but it's slow | 18:34 |
| bdpayne | which is just the nature of a big open source community | 18:34 |
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| hyakuhei | paulmo: mail me and lets talk about that, I'd like to understand your issues | 18:34 |
| shohel02 | heartbleed+++ probably make more attention , just kidding | 18:34 |
| bdpayne | ok, I think that's all we have time for today | 18:35 |
| bdpayne | thanks everyone for a productive meeting | 18:35 |
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| nkinder | thanks! | 18:35 |
| bdpayne | #endmeeting | 18:35 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Apr 17 18:35:28 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:35 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_security_group/2014/openstack_security_group.2014-04-17-18.01.html | 18:35 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_security_group/2014/openstack_security_group.2014-04-17-18.01.txt | 18:35 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_security_group/2014/openstack_security_group.2014-04-17-18.01.log.html | 18:35 |
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| mtreinish | #startmeeting qa | 22:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Apr 17 22:00:25 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mtreinish. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 22:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 22:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: qa)" | 22:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'qa' | 22:00 |
| sdague | o/ | 22:00 |
| masayukig | hi | 22:00 |
| mtreinish | hi who do we have here today? | 22:00 |
| oomichi | hi | 22:00 |
| mtreinish | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/QATeamMeeting#Proposed_Agenda_for_April_17_2014_.282200_UTC.29 | 22:00 |
| mtreinish | ^^^ Today's agenda | 22:00 |
| dkranz | o/ | 22:01 |
| sdague | all hail the juno PLT! :) | 22:01 |
| mtreinish | PLT? | 22:01 |
| dkranz | hail | 22:01 |
| sdague | PTL | 22:02 |
| mtreinish | heh | 22:02 |
| mtreinish | thanks, I guess the torch was passed today wasn't it | 22:02 |
| sdague | yep | 22:02 |
| mtreinish | well let's get started | 22:02 |
| mtreinish | #topic Summit sessions (mtreinish) | 22:02 |
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| mtreinish | #link | 22:02 |
| mtreinish | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/Juno-QA-design-summit-topics | 22:02 |
| mtreinish | so I just wanted to remind people that if they have session proposals the deadline for summit.openstack.org is the 20th | 22:03 |
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| mtreinish | so make sure you get your session proposals in before then | 22:03 |
| sdague | I'll do write ups in the morning for my 2 | 22:03 |
| mtreinish | sdague: ok thanks | 22:03 |
| sdague | my english skills are mostly faded for the day | 22:03 |
| mtreinish | that's fine | 22:04 |
| mtreinish | masayukig: also you had an entry in the etherpad | 22:04 |
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| masayukig | Yes, I've added a proposal of Tempest GUI. | 22:04 |
| mtreinish | can you add it to the tool? | 22:04 |
| mtreinish | masayukig: yeah the diagram looked cool | 22:04 |
| masayukig | mtreinish: Thanks :0 | 22:04 |
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| mtreinish | the only other session proposal in the etherpad that didn't have an entry in the tool was mlavalle yfried__ | 22:05 |
| mtreinish | I'll ping them about it tomorrow | 22:05 |
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| mtreinish | I plan to have a discussion about the session at the next meeting | 22:05 |
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| mtreinish | after the list of proposal is finalized | 22:05 |
| mtreinish | does anyone have anything else about summit sessions? | 22:06 |
| sdague | where is discussion on qa-specs going to slot in? | 22:06 |
| mtreinish | I was planning to discuss it in the juno policy session I was going to have | 22:07 |
| mtreinish | I don't think we'll have enough slots for a dedicated session | 22:07 |
| sdague | sure | 22:07 |
| sdague | that's not in the list yet right? | 22:07 |
| mtreinish | no although it's in the tool | 22:07 |
| mtreinish | I'll add it to the etherpad | 22:07 |
| sdague | ok, cool | 22:07 |
| sdague | it doesnt' really need to be in the etherpad | 22:08 |
| mtreinish | that's what I thought too :) | 22:08 |
| mtreinish | I was probably going to make that the last session for the qa track | 22:08 |
| sdague | yep | 22:08 |
| mtreinish | ok lets move on then | 22:08 |
| oomichi | how many slots for qa in the summit? | 22:08 |
| mtreinish | oomichi: it's looking like we'll have 10 slots for qa | 22:09 |
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| mtreinish | which is down 3 from HK | 22:09 |
| mtreinish | #topic Oslo Liaison (mtreinish) | 22:09 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Oslo Liaison (mtreinish) (Meeting topic: qa)" | 22:09 | |
| oomichi | thanks, I got it. | 22:09 |
| mtreinish | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Oslo/ProjectLiaisons | 22:09 |
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| mtreinish | so the oslo guys are looking for people from the other projects to be focal points as the convert things to libs | 22:10 |
| mtreinish | and to keep up with oslo stuff | 22:10 |
| mtreinish | for better cross team communication | 22:10 |
| mtreinish | I figured we should have someone from the tempest-core group also on that list | 22:10 |
| mtreinish | does anyone want to volunteer? | 22:10 |
| mtreinish | well I'll take that as a TODO then | 22:11 |
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| mtreinish | #action mtreinish to find a volunteer to be oslo liason | 22:12 |
| mtreinish | ok if no one is going to volunteer today | 22:12 |
| mtreinish | let's move on | 22:12 |
| sdague | get people to sign up at summit with promise of beer :) | 22:12 |
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| mtreinish | sdague: that's not a bad idea | 22:13 |
| mtreinish | #topic Blueprints | 22:13 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Blueprints (Meeting topic: qa)" | 22:13 | |
| mtreinish | I guess let's start with the specs review first | 22:13 |
| mtreinish | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/qa-specs,n,z | 22:14 |
| mtreinish | it looks like we have 4 specs without a -1 | 22:14 |
| sdague | with the release this week, I was lazy on qa-specs | 22:14 |
| mtreinish | and one of those has a +2 from dkranz | 22:14 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: So I started the run-as-non-admin one even though it has not yet been approved | 22:14 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: yeah we need to get more eyes on these | 22:14 |
| mtreinish | I'll make another pass through them tonight or tomorrow | 22:15 |
| sdague | I'll take a pass on monday, I expect tomorrow is mostly going to be recovery | 22:15 |
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| oomichi | I also will see it | 22:15 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: I'd still like to see a +2 from someone else before I +A something | 22:15 |
| sdague | mtreinish: you should probably approve my blueprint now that you land the spec as well | 22:15 |
| sdague | :) | 22:15 |
| mtreinish | sdague: oh yeah that's probably a good idea :) | 22:15 |
| mtreinish | oomichi: ok thanks | 22:16 |
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| sdague | mtreinish: you going to send out the email announcing qa-specs and process to people? | 22:16 |
| mtreinish | yeah I plan to do that tomorrow | 22:16 |
| sdague | I think we've got enough examples now | 22:16 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: I think we are dealing a little with the fact that approval used to be yeah, yeah, click the button | 22:16 |
| sdague | awesome | 22:16 |
| mtreinish | sdague: yeah 3 is probably enough | 22:16 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: And now requires much more work from reviewers | 22:16 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: yeah I think that's part of it | 22:17 |
| mtreinish | people aren't used to looking at this on a regular basis yet | 22:17 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: I made a bookmark :) | 22:17 |
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| sdague | right, so probably specs review should be part of every meeting. And everyone needs to try to keep on top of those. | 22:17 |
| mtreinish | sdague: yeah I'm going to make it a separate agenda item moving forward | 22:18 |
| rockyg | +1 | 22:18 |
| sdague | also should encourage anyone to help review these | 22:18 |
| sdague | even if not core | 22:18 |
| sdague | all comments are good | 22:18 |
| mtreinish | yeah definitely | 22:18 |
| mtreinish | I'll make that part of the email | 22:18 |
| mtreinish | #action mtreinish to send an email about qa-specs to the ML | 22:19 |
| sdague | great | 22:19 |
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| mtreinish | ok I think we can go onto bp status now, unless someone has something more to discuss about the specs review | 22:19 |
| mtreinish | so on the agenda there was a bp linked | 22:19 |
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| mtreinish | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/tempest/+spec/nova-api-attribute-test | 22:19 |
| mtreinish | oomichi: ^^^ I think that's yours right | 22:20 |
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| mtreinish | did you put it on the agenda? | 22:20 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: I put that there | 22:20 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: oh ok | 22:20 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: go ahead then | 22:20 |
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| dkranz | mtreinish: There was an issue in reviews about the status of extra keys added to a return dict | 22:20 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: and whether the schema should allow additoinalProperties or not | 22:20 |
| dkranz | THere was a comment that it would be easier to extend if we allowed properties to be added | 22:21 |
| dkranz | But the stability guidelines say you need an extension for that | 22:21 |
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| dkranz | oomichi: Do you have a comment about that? | 22:21 |
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| mtreinish | dkranz: to add something to the body you need an extension | 22:21 |
| mtreinish | doesn't jsonschema allow for inheritance or something similar though | 22:21 |
| mtreinish | jaypipes: was talking about that before on the ML | 22:21 |
| oomichi | dkranz: do you mean schema should block non dict data? | 22:21 |
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| dkranz | oomichi: The issue I think was whether our validation should accept extra values or insist on a specific set | 22:22 |
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| dkranz | If we don't set additionalProperties to False then new keys can be added without failing the test. | 22:22 |
| sdague | do we have a feeling on how the nova team feels about it? | 22:23 |
| oomichi | dkranz: yes, right. and the default value of additionalProperties is True. | 22:23 |
| dkranz | oomichi: exactly | 22:23 |
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| oomichi | so now validation accepts extra attributes. | 22:23 |
| dkranz | sdague: I'm not sure but we should find out | 22:23 |
| dkranz | sdague: Because some schemas have already gone in. | 22:24 |
| sdague | sure | 22:24 |
| dkranz | sdague: I only noticed this recently | 22:24 |
| sdague | ok, maybe something to queue up for the nova meeting next week? | 22:24 |
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| dkranz | Do we have one of us that attends there as well? | 22:24 |
| mtreinish | sdague: yeah that's probably a good idea | 22:24 |
| sdague | well it's an hour before this one | 22:24 |
| dkranz | :) | 22:25 |
| sdague | we should get a volunteer for that | 22:25 |
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| mtreinish | dkranz: do you want to drive that on the nova meeting? | 22:25 |
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| dkranz | mtreinish: ok | 22:25 |
| mtreinish | it's a bit early for oomichi right? | 22:25 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: cool thanks | 22:25 |
| dkranz | 6am | 22:25 |
| sdague | the nova meeting does do a morning EST one too | 22:25 |
| oomichi | yes, | 22:25 |
| sdague | oomichi: are you on that one? | 22:25 |
| oomichi | a little for me:-( | 22:25 |
| mtreinish | #action dkranz to discuss jsonschema additionalProperties on nova meeting | 22:26 |
| sdague | oomichi: what about when they flip to late meeting for you? | 22:26 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: I have some sympathy for ssaying that extra values could be added. | 22:26 |
| oomichi | but I will join it. | 22:26 |
| dkranz | I'm not sure what the difference is to say you check for an extension and then look for the value | 22:26 |
| oomichi | 6:00am meeting. | 22:26 |
| dkranz | vs just seeing if the value is there | 22:26 |
| mtreinish | sdague: it's 1400 or 2100 UTC | 22:26 |
| sdague | dkranz: the theory is that it's discoverable in advance | 22:27 |
| dkranz | sdague: sure, but is the real value of that compensating for extension hell over time? | 22:27 |
| jaypipes | mtreinish: yes, jsonschema allows to specify another schema doc. | 22:27 |
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| dkranz | sdague: I'm just saying it is debatable | 22:27 |
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| sdague | dkranz: absolutely | 22:27 |
| sdague | our current model just sucks around all this, no argument here :) | 22:28 |
| dkranz | sdague: BUt we really have to nail it down soon. | 22:28 |
| dkranz | sdague: ok, we'll see what the nova folks say | 22:28 |
| sdague | jaypipes will fix it all, I have faith ;) | 22:28 |
| mtreinish | heh | 22:29 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: ok is there anything else on this bp? | 22:29 |
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| oomichi | I guess so:) | 22:29 |
| dkranz | No | 22:29 |
| mtreinish | ok then does anyone else have a bp to bring up or discuss? | 22:29 |
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| sdague | branchless-tempest | 22:29 |
| sdague | this is very close | 22:30 |
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| mtreinish | sdague: ok cool | 22:30 |
| mtreinish | what's left? | 22:30 |
| sdague | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/88302/ - will make us gate tempest master on stable/icehouse | 22:30 |
| sdague | all the stable/icehouse projects are gating on tempest master because of the way our branch fall through works | 22:30 |
| mtreinish | ok, yeah that should do it | 22:31 |
| sdague | and the service selection code for devstack-gate was redone so it would be sane to extend it to extensions | 22:31 |
| sdague | though the extensions work isn't done yet | 22:31 |
| sdague | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack-infra/devstack-gate+branch:master+topic:feature_grid,n,z | 22:31 |
| mtreinish | ok, well we shouldn't have any trouble until a new extension or feature is added | 22:31 |
| sdague | that all went into the gate | 22:31 |
| sdague | correct | 22:31 |
| dkranz | sdague: What's the reason for including non-voting icehouse jobs? | 22:31 |
| sdague | they aren't non voting | 22:32 |
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| dkranz | sdague: the cells job? | 22:32 |
| sdague | good point | 22:32 |
| sdague | I'll dump that later | 22:33 |
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| sdague | I thought that had been moved to experimental, apparently missed it | 22:33 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: -1 it | 22:33 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: k | 22:33 |
| sdague | yeh, clarkb wants another change as well | 22:34 |
| sdague | so -1 away | 22:34 |
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| mtreinish | sdague: shouldn't we gate on some of those icehouse jobs too? | 22:34 |
| sdague | mtreinish: with clean check, I'm less concerned about that | 22:34 |
| mtreinish | ok yeah that's fair | 22:34 |
| mtreinish | it won't get to gate without it passing | 22:34 |
| sdague | exactly | 22:34 |
| sdague | I figure lets try with check only for now | 22:35 |
| sdague | and if we break ourselves, move more into gate | 22:35 |
| mtreinish | ok, I was thinking maybe just the mysql full for a sanity check | 22:35 |
| mtreinish | but that's fine | 22:35 |
| oomichi | we are going to apply tempest/master to stable/havana also? | 22:35 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: I think relying on check is going to be more common going forward | 22:35 |
| sdague | oomichi: if we can make it work | 22:36 |
| mtreinish | oomichi: it doesn't work right now | 22:36 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: because we can spread different configs across check | 22:36 |
| sdague | it's still a little debatable if it's fully worth the time, given it eol in 5 months | 22:36 |
| mtreinish | oomichi: dkranz has a spec proposal in progress for that effort | 22:36 |
| mtreinish | I'm honestly fine with just taking this moving forward | 22:36 |
| mtreinish | and leaving havana a branch | 22:36 |
| oomichi | thanks, I will see it later. | 22:36 |
| dkranz | sdague: Yes, one of things we have to discuss is that havana is not going eol soon for a lot of people, presumably including refstack | 22:37 |
| dkranz | sdague: But not now | 22:37 |
| sdague | dkranz: sure | 22:37 |
| oomichi | now new API test, which is added since Icehouse, is in review. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/84977 | 22:37 |
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| sdague | oomichi: the API is new in juno? | 22:38 |
| oomichi | so I guess we need some option which controlls enable/disable the API test for havana. | 22:38 |
| mtreinish | oomichi: hmm make sure you put an extension decorator around it then | 22:38 |
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| oomichi | sdague: no since Icehouse. server-group API of Nova. | 22:38 |
| mtreinish | oomichi: http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/tempest/tree/tempest/test.py#n182 | 22:39 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: I am going to look at the havana thing when I am done with the non-admin which will hopefully be soon. | 22:39 |
| sdague | oomichi: if it's in icehouse, we're good still | 22:39 |
| mtreinish | oomichi: or is it larger scope than just an api extension? | 22:39 |
| mtreinish | sdague: yeah it won't fail, but we still want to make sure we properly flag things | 22:39 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: ok | 22:39 |
| sdague | oomichi: https://github.com/openstack-infra/devstack-gate/blob/master/features.yaml - the theory is add the supported list of compute extensions into this mix as well | 22:39 |
| sdague | then devstack-gate will set the right extension lists per feature and branch | 22:40 |
| sdague | we'll talk about it at summit as well | 22:40 |
| oomichi | OK, a lot of info to me. I will check them later carefully. | 22:40 |
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| mtreinish | sdague: ok is there anything else on branchless tempest? | 22:41 |
| sdague | nope | 22:41 |
| mtreinish | ok then does anyone else have a bp to discuss? | 22:41 |
| mtreinish | otherwise we'll move onto the next topic | 22:41 |
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| mtreinish | #topic Neutron Testing | 22:42 |
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| mtreinish | so mlavalle said he couldn't make it today | 22:42 |
| mtreinish | but he put an update on the agenda | 22:42 |
| mtreinish | the take away is that there still 9 outstanding neutron api patches | 22:43 |
| mtreinish | he pointed out 3 that have 1 +2: | 22:43 |
| mtreinish | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/67547 | 22:43 |
| mtreinish | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/63723 | 22:43 |
| mtreinish | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/66541 | 22:43 |
| mtreinish | the only other thing there was he proposed another joint qa neutron session | 22:44 |
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| mtreinish | I guess to plan out things for juno | 22:44 |
| sdague | sounds like a good idea | 22:44 |
| mtreinish | yeah it does | 22:44 |
| mtreinish | although I think we're in really good shape on that front compared to at the start of I | 22:44 |
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| mtreinish | I'll talk to mestery about that session and coordinate the scheduling for it | 22:45 |
| mtreinish | ok does anyone else have anything to say on this topic? | 22:45 |
| HenryG | Slightly related ... | 22:45 |
| mtreinish | HenryG: sure | 22:46 |
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| HenryG | So marun_afk couldn't attend today but he is planning to submit a session too | 22:46 |
| rockyg | also very slightly related (but more to the previous topic) A joint Refstack/QA meeting possible? | 22:46 |
| mtreinish | HenryG: yeah I talked to him about that today | 22:47 |
| mtreinish | it's already on the etherpad | 22:47 |
| dkranz | HenryG: I spoke to him. He put it on the etherpad | 22:47 |
| mtreinish | he said he'd put it in the tool | 22:47 |
| HenryG | ok, cool | 22:47 |
| sdague | rockyg: are you thinking of that as a design summit session? | 22:47 |
| mtreinish | rockyg: probably not unfortunately unless it's in other projects | 22:47 |
| mtreinish | rockyg: the qa track is going to be full | 22:47 |
| mtreinish | oh I just assumed you meant a summit session | 22:48 |
| rockyg | No. Just an irc or phone conference to get some more info on how our stuff dovetails with the new, improved tempest | 22:48 |
| dkranz | Does refstack have any slots | 22:48 |
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| sdague | it looks like it has one - http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/details/197 | 22:48 |
| mtreinish | rockyg: yeah that's something we can do | 22:48 |
| rockyg | We've got one to introduce everyone to RefStack. | 22:48 |
| dkranz | rockyg: That would be good since I think refstack is part of what instigated this | 22:48 |
| rockyg | Sorry, Refstack. | 22:48 |
| mtreinish | rockyg: send an email to the ML about it | 22:48 |
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| rockyg | Will do. | 22:48 |
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| sdague | we should make sure to try to get that to not overlap the QA track | 22:49 |
| sdague | so folks here can go to the refstack one | 22:49 |
| mtreinish | sdague: yeah I'll talk to ttx about that (it looks like he's scheduling that track) | 22:49 |
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| mtreinish | ok well let's move on to the next topic | 22:49 |
| sdague | yeh, I just left a comment | 22:49 |
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| sdague | we could also do refstack / tempest as a lunch thing one day | 22:50 |
| rockyg | Thanks for the scheduling help | 22:50 |
| rockyg | Oooh. I kinda like that. | 22:50 |
| mtreinish | sdague: yeah that would be good too | 22:50 |
| mtreinish | #topic Heat Testing | 22:50 |
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| sdague | oh, update here | 22:51 |
| rockyg | Refstack was supposed to be on Icehouse for the summit, but looks unlikely. | 22:51 |
| mtreinish | sdague: so I know we have some updates here right | 22:51 |
| sdague | the heat job is currently non voting | 22:51 |
| sdague | http://jogo.github.io/gate/ - explains why | 22:51 |
| sdague | the failure rate was going way out of control | 22:51 |
| mtreinish | sdague: ooh nice spike | 22:51 |
| sdague | it didn't hit 100%, that's an artifact of rolling averages | 22:51 |
| sdague | but it was above 50% | 22:52 |
| mtreinish | heh ok | 22:52 |
| sdague | there are a few possible issues in it, heat team is looking at them | 22:52 |
| sdague | but we need to not be bouncing things like the icehouse branch opennings | 22:52 |
| mtreinish | yeah it's unfortunate though, we just turned it on not too long ago | 22:53 |
| sdague | hopefully the failure rate can be addressed and it can come back to voting some time next week | 22:53 |
| sdague | yeh, but honestly every new major effort has fits and starts like this | 22:53 |
| mtreinish | yeah that's true | 22:53 |
| sdague | we flipped the neutron job non voting a couple times last year | 22:53 |
| mtreinish | was the switch to parallel execution part of the increase in instability? | 22:53 |
| sdague | the heat jobs are starting to get enough content that they are flushing out some nice bugs as well | 22:53 |
| sdague | that bug we managed to fix | 22:54 |
| mtreinish | sdague: ok | 22:54 |
| sdague | it was actually a keystoneclient bug | 22:54 |
| sdague | on cert corruption | 22:54 |
| sdague | this looks more like there are some async behavior where not expected | 22:54 |
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| sdague | and possibly the fedora guest is crashing | 22:54 |
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| mtreinish | is there a reason it's a fedora guest? | 22:55 |
| mtreinish | that seems pretty heavyweight for the gate | 22:55 |
| sdague | a number of the heat tests need real cloud-init or cfn-tools | 22:55 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: the heat slow tests need a "real" image | 22:55 |
| sdague | neither of which are provided by cirros | 22:55 |
| sdague | dkranz: well some of them do | 22:55 |
| mtreinish | hmm ok | 22:55 |
| sdague | I think we could actually do some with just curl in cirrors | 22:55 |
| dkranz | sdague: right. I suppose those that don't could be moved to the regular run | 22:56 |
| sdague | dkranz: they will still be slow :) | 22:56 |
| dkranz | Ah, yes. | 22:56 |
| sdague | honestly, I think the heat dedicated job makes sense | 22:56 |
| dkranz | yup | 22:56 |
| sdague | it provides plenty of time budget | 22:56 |
| sdague | just got to work through some issues here | 22:56 |
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| sdague | I expect to be working with them through juno to help | 22:57 |
| mtreinish | sdague: ok is there anything else on heat? | 22:57 |
| sdague | nope | 22:57 |
| dkranz | I have to go but I can finish run-as-non-admin in short order I think once https://review.openstack.org/#/c/88347/ goes in | 22:57 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: ok | 22:57 |
| mtreinish | ok with <3 min let's do reviews | 22:57 |
| mtreinish | #topic Critical Reviews | 22:58 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Critical Reviews (Meeting topic: qa)" | 22:58 | |
| mtreinish | does anyone have any reviews that they'd like to get eyes on? | 22:58 |
| sdague | not from me, just nap time after the release | 22:59 |
| mtreinish | heh ok | 22:59 |
| mtreinish | well I guess if there aren't any reviews we can just end it here today | 22:59 |
| mtreinish | thanks everyone | 22:59 |
| rockyg | Thanks, guys! | 22:59 |
| oomichi | thanks:) | 22:59 |
| mtreinish | #endmeeting | 22:59 |
| masayukig | thanks! | 22:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Apr 17 22:59:47 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2014/qa.2014-04-17-22.00.html | 22:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2014/qa.2014-04-17-22.00.txt | 22:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2014/qa.2014-04-17-22.00.log.html | 22:59 |
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