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| slong | #startmeeting docteam | 03:08 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Wed Apr 16 03:08:24 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is slong. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 03:08 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 03:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 03:08 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'docteam' | 03:08 |
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| slong | sorry for my tardiness all. | 03:08 |
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| slong | Er, perhaps I'm the only one? | 03:09 |
| * dnavale is lurking.. | 03:10 | |
| slong | Ok, will talk at the meetBot. Nick isn't here, and that's the only action item from the US mtg. | 03:10 |
| slong | :) dnavale | 03:10 |
| slong | Sam-I-Am isn't here, and that's the only action from the last AUS mtg. | 03:11 |
| asettle | Woops | 03:12 |
| asettle | Here | 03:12 |
| fifieldt | hi | 03:12 |
| slong | #action configScripts | 03:13 |
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| slong | hey there | 03:13 |
| slong | fifieldt, any news on the config scripts? | 03:13 |
| fifieldt | erm, which? | 03:13 |
| slong | On the agenda: "Final run of configuration scripts to land before April 17" | 03:13 |
| fifieldt | gpocentek has volunteered to do this | 03:13 |
| fifieldt | so it's in good hands ;) | 03:14 |
| slong | nice. | 03:14 |
| slong | #action InstallGuide | 03:14 |
| slong | Anyone have something to add? | 03:14 |
| slong | #action OpsGuide | 03:15 |
| slong | ditto? | 03:15 |
| fifieldt | install guide is going well | 03:15 |
| fifieldt | just need more testers | 03:15 |
| fifieldt | see https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/IceHouseDocTesting for gaps | 03:15 |
| slong | K, ta. Urgh, using the wrong key... | 03:15 |
| slong | #topic UserSurvey | 03:16 |
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| fifieldt | I sent anne some rapid analysis yesterday | 03:16 |
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| slong | Anything immediately interesting? | 03:17 |
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| fifieldt | recall that the question was about API/SDK docs. ... people want Quality, and Examples | 03:17 |
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| slong | Ok, and then there's the doc contribution survey. | 03:18 |
| slong | # topic docContribSurvey | 03:18 |
| fifieldt | oh, that one | 03:18 |
| slong | Just realised there are a couple of lists I could post to. | 03:18 |
| slong | Anything else on that one? Tom, am shamelessly using you as the news source... | 03:19 |
| fifieldt | 30 responses maybe? | 03:19 |
| fifieldt | I haven't done any analysis | 03:20 |
| slong | Cutoff will be after release? | 03:20 |
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| fifieldt | don't know | 03:20 |
| fifieldt | but seems likely | 03:20 |
| slong | kk, next one. | 03:21 |
| slong | #topic newsForDocTools | 03:21 |
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| slong | Well, this must be one Anne is anticipating. | 03:21 |
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| fifieldt | the requirements.txt was updated slightly | 03:22 |
| fifieldt | for some new cli doc runs | 03:22 |
| slong | Have you been working on that or Andreas? | 03:22 |
| fifieldt | andreas | 03:23 |
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| fifieldt | I just review the patches :) | 03:23 |
| fifieldt | no work done here :D | 03:23 |
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| slong | :) | 03:23 |
| slong | k, and finally | 03:23 |
| slong | # topic IcehouseStatus | 03:23 |
| fifieldt | based on the mailing list, it seems that we are going to alias /icehouse to /trunk for a while | 03:23 |
| fifieldt | to avoid backport hell | 03:24 |
| fifieldt | are you familiar with backport hell, slong? | 03:24 |
| slong | I know we're all feverishly trying to finish bugs. Very happy about that grace period. | 03:24 |
| slong | And have only heard about it. | 03:24 |
| fifieldt | to explain briefly | 03:24 |
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| fifieldt | the rule is that fixes go in the master branch | 03:24 |
| fifieldt | so the master is always the most up to date | 03:24 |
| fifieldt | then, they are copied back into the stable/* branch that is appropriate | 03:25 |
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| fifieldt | eg you may have seen some things go from master to stable/havana | 03:25 |
| fifieldt | the process is called backporting | 03:25 |
| fifieldt | and basically means you end up making two commits | 03:25 |
| fifieldt | and the backport can sometimes be hard | 03:25 |
| fifieldt | since, increasingly, as time goes on, things are not backported | 03:26 |
| slong | cherrypicking is used to get single items? | 03:26 |
| fifieldt | and master diverges from stable/* | 03:26 |
| fifieldt | yup | 03:26 |
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| slong | question. | 03:26 |
| fifieldt | so our cycle kind goes |working on master| working on master masquerading as icehouse | working on master, backporting to icehouse| working on master, in prep for juno| | 03:27 |
| fifieldt | ya? | 03:27 |
| slong | Anne was saying that the Install Guide and Config Ref were the ones being branched. | 03:27 |
| slong | Why the Config Ref and not the CLI, if both use automated scripts? | 03:27 |
| fifieldt | that might be one to ask her :) | 03:27 |
| slong | I did, no answer yet. | 03:27 |
| fifieldt | there was some justification a while back | 03:27 |
| fifieldt | but I can't recall it | 03:27 |
| fifieldt | It was something around having release docs and another 'library' | 03:28 |
| fifieldt | of books for reference | 03:28 |
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| slong | I would vote to moving the ConfigRef to continuous integration. | 03:29 |
| slong | Anyway, am happy the whole question is on hold for a bit. | 03:29 |
| slong | And, finally | 03:30 |
| slong | #topic openDiscussion | 03:30 |
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| slong | Anything? | 03:30 |
| fifieldt | trove patch for install guide | 03:31 |
| fifieldt | we need it asap :) | 03:31 |
| fifieldt | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/87135/ | 03:31 |
| fifieldt | guessing Laurel is asleep | 03:31 |
| slong | Ah, cool. Will review after the updates for Andreas. | 03:31 |
| fifieldt | anyone got time to fix it up a bit? | 03:31 |
| fifieldt | I'm also seeking good instructions for making trove guestagent images | 03:32 |
| fifieldt | there aren't any right now | 03:32 |
| fifieldt | and it's a bit confusing | 03:32 |
| fifieldt | (also not explained by that patch, but that's OK - I'd prefer to get it in) | 03:32 |
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| slong | dnavale, is there a trove dev person fifieldt can ask? | 03:33 |
| slong | (dnavale is our Trove person.) | 03:33 |
| fifieldt | :) | 03:33 |
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| dnavale | Sergey Gotliv from RH has installed it.. | 03:33 |
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| slong | sgotliv@redhat.com | 03:34 |
| fifieldt | hi guys, I want to introduce jeffshantz_ | 03:34 |
| dnavale | but he's still working out some kinks, i think.. | 03:34 |
| fifieldt | he's been helping out the install guide | 03:34 |
| jeffshantz_ | Hi all | 03:34 |
| slong | hi jeffshantz_ | 03:34 |
| dnavale | hey jeffshantz_ | 03:34 |
| slong | Welcome | 03:34 |
| jeffshantz_ | Thank you! | 03:34 |
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| fifieldt | if you guys can ask sergey if he wrote anything down, that'd be great | 03:34 |
| dnavale | will do, fifieldt | 03:35 |
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| fifieldt | cheers | 03:35 |
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| fifieldt | I have to get on user survey analysis, otherwise I'd be on it | 03:35 |
| dnavale | but that might be sometime next week, they are off till tuesday, 22 Apr.. | 03:35 |
| fifieldt | gotta get some raw results for PTLs/TCs asap timeframe | 03:35 |
| fifieldt | righto | 03:35 |
| fifieldt | probably need it well before then | 03:35 |
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| fifieldt | no dramas | 03:35 |
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| slong | fifieldt, am doing a couple of reworks, but will get on it after (if nobody else does first). | 03:36 |
| slong | Anything else? | 03:37 |
| slong | Ok, have a lovely Easter all of you. :) | 03:38 |
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| fifieldt | thanks slong :) | 03:38 |
| slong | #endmeeting | 03:38 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Apr 16 03:38:19 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 03:38 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteam/2014/docteam.2014-04-16-03.08.html | 03:38 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteam/2014/docteam.2014-04-16-03.08.txt | 03:38 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteam/2014/docteam.2014-04-16-03.08.log.html | 03:38 |
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| johnthetubaguy | #startmeeting XenAPI | 15:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Apr 16 15:02:16 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is johnthetubaguy. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: XenAPI)" | 15:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'xenapi' | 15:02 |
| BobBall | o/ | 15:02 |
| johnthetubaguy | how do? | 15:02 |
| leifz | good morning | 15:02 |
| BobBall | again. My amazing powers of prediction on show. | 15:02 |
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| johnthetubaguy | #topic CI | 15:02 |
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| johnthetubaguy | any news from the CI world? | 15:03 |
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| BobBall | It's healthy :) | 15:03 |
| BobBall | And https://review.openstack.org/#/c/87680/ | 15:03 |
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| johnthetubaguy | ah, cool | 15:03 |
| johnthetubaguy | so things are progressing | 15:03 |
| BobBall | Did have a hiccup this morning | 15:03 |
| BobBall | which I've hopefully fixed | 15:03 |
| BobBall | so we lost a few jobs because the gerrit stream died | 15:04 |
| johnthetubaguy | oh, bummer | 15:04 |
| BobBall | https://github.com/citrix-openstack/openstack-citrix-ci/pull/26 | 15:04 |
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| BobBall | I could always re-add them manually since the rcbops site tells me which ones it missed | 15:04 |
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| BobBall | but probably not worth it | 15:04 |
| BobBall | we don't seem to have missed much | 15:05 |
| johnthetubaguy | I duno, could be good for the stats though | 15:05 |
| johnthetubaguy | but cools | 15:05 |
| BobBall | sure, but I don't like gaming stats :) | 15:05 |
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| BobBall | we're already doing exceptionally well if you compare us to other 3rd party CIs | 15:05 |
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| johnthetubaguy | well, there might be a bug lurking in those changes, its not totally gaming? | 15:05 |
| BobBall | highest pass rate of all 3rd party CI's | 15:05 |
| BobBall | I'm happy with that ;) | 15:05 |
| BobBall | True. | 15:06 |
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| BobBall | I suppose we could add a filter that adds jobs as they are commented on if we haven't run a test on that job | 15:06 |
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| BobBall | Similar to jenkins | 15:06 |
| BobBall | XenServer CI voted on 327 patchsets (85.96%) passing 294 (89.91%), failing 33 (10.09%) and unparsed 0 (0.0%) - 10% failure rate is pretty good1 | 15:07 |
| BobBall | -1+! | 15:07 |
| johnthetubaguy | oh dear, thats a bad sign, generally | 15:07 |
| BobBall | that it's so low? | 15:07 |
| johnthetubaguy | that its so high | 15:07 |
| BobBall | or oh dear in the context of openstack because all other tests are much higher? | 15:07 |
| johnthetubaguy | 10% is massively high | 15:08 |
| BobBall | jenkins has a 43% failure rate | 15:08 |
| BobBall | hyper-v 47% | 15:08 |
| BobBall | powerVM 25% | 15:08 |
| BobBall | and docker / vmware aren't even running ATM | 15:08 |
| BobBall | only turbo-hipster has a lower rate at 7.3% | 15:08 |
| BobBall | http://www.rcbops.com/gerrit/reports/nova-cireport.html | 15:08 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, not arguing with you, its just a worry | 15:08 |
| johnthetubaguy | generally :) | 15:08 |
| BobBall | Indeed. | 15:09 |
| johnthetubaguy | jenkins has a hard job though, lots of real failures, and has many tests that fail probably less than ours | 15:09 |
| BobBall | Well I'm not planning to put any effort in improving the failure rate ATM | 15:09 |
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| johnthetubaguy | OK, fair point | 15:09 |
| johnthetubaguy | more tests first I guess | 15:09 |
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| BobBall | Indeed | 15:09 |
| BobBall | which needs the stackforge change | 15:09 |
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| BobBall | I suspect we can enable quite a lot of them already | 15:10 |
| BobBall | but I'm not confident enough that it won't kill the failure rate | 15:10 |
| BobBall | e.g. we had a lot of volume failures | 15:10 |
| johnthetubaguy | right | 15:10 |
| BobBall | but a devstack change which caused it to bomb out on failing commands showed that the XFS volume wasn't big enough | 15:10 |
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| BobBall | we were creating it in MB rather than GB... ... ... | 15:11 |
| johnthetubaguy | I keep wondering about a second setup that does on demand requests only, that can be used to try out new tests, etc | 15:11 |
| BobBall | Fixing that made devstack work but should also I hope fix a lot of the volume tests | 15:11 |
| BobBall | :D | 15:11 |
| johnthetubaguy | cools | 15:11 |
| BobBall | New tests are automatically checked with tempest | 15:11 |
| BobBall | but if it's in stackforge we can easily re-submit tests when we fix things in nova etc | 15:12 |
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| johnthetubaguy | yeah, I was more thinking, add more tests, run it 10 times, but leave other ones running on the old config | 15:13 |
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| johnthetubaguy | but maybe once we test in stackforge your config repo, we get that? | 15:13 |
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| BobBall | hmmm | 15:14 |
| BobBall | Not sure how to add that | 15:14 |
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| BobBall | not automatically anyway | 15:14 |
| johnthetubaguy | tricky | 15:14 |
| BobBall | unless we said all tempest changes get run multiple times | 15:14 |
| BobBall | but that's ugly | 15:14 |
| johnthetubaguy | well, recheck a few times was the plan | 15:14 |
| BobBall | why call out tempest and not re-run everything in nova a few times too | 15:14 |
| BobBall | in case we've added a race in nova rather than added a race from a new test | 15:15 |
| BobBall | recheck works already, of course | 15:15 |
| BobBall | so if there is suspicion you can recheck | 15:15 |
| BobBall | I fixed a bug this week where it would overwrite results if you rechecked | 15:15 |
| BobBall | now they are all archived | 15:15 |
| johnthetubaguy | maybe, just wonder about testing it out without impact whats happening for peoples patches, but yeah | 15:15 |
| BobBall | (don't tell Rackspace - I'm using all of their storage. Only 150GB for now though...) | 15:15 |
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| johnthetubaguy | lol, thats increasing nicely | 15:16 |
| BobBall | yeah... | 15:16 |
| BobBall | Blame ceilometer | 15:16 |
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| BobBall | they have far and away the biggest log file ;) | 15:16 |
| johnthetubaguy | we sell VMs with more storage than that, small amounts of data, a proper use measures in TB | 15:17 |
| * johnthetubaguy giggles | 15:17 | |
| johnthetubaguy | anyways... | 15:17 |
| johnthetubaguy | #topic Summit | 15:17 |
| BobBall | OK - I'll tell you when we hit the 1PB mark. | 15:17 |
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| johnthetubaguy | BobBall: good good | 15:17 |
| johnthetubaguy | so... | 15:17 |
| BobBall | oh - hang on | 15:17 |
| BobBall | before we move on from CI | 15:18 |
| BobBall | I've got a frustrating | 15:18 |
| BobBall | frustration* | 15:18 |
| johnthetubaguy | oh, ok... | 15:18 |
| BobBall | servers which go into error state when deleting them | 15:18 |
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| BobBall | because we're running dozens a day | 15:18 |
| BobBall | we hit it quite frequently | 15:18 |
| BobBall | I know there is a clean up every 24 hours or so | 15:18 |
| BobBall | but yesterday I had 6 servers which refused to go away | 15:18 |
| johnthetubaguy | hmm, sounds annoying, can you send me some uuids? | 15:19 |
| johnthetubaguy | via email | 15:19 |
| BobBall | Is there a bug raised for this? Do you know anything about what's going on etc? | 15:19 |
| johnthetubaguy | I will raise a ticket | 15:19 |
| BobBall | Well I've only got one ATM | 15:19 |
| BobBall | but they get cleaned up as I say | 15:19 |
| BobBall | and I have no idea why they fail to delete | 15:19 |
| johnthetubaguy | I saw something myself once, seems to be a cells issue, as far as I can tell | 15:19 |
| BobBall | uuids aren't private :) | 15:19 |
| BobBall | cb6a6a40-f0d1-40a0-bbe4-29fc91eef5bc | 15:19 |
| BobBall | that's the current one | 15:19 |
| johnthetubaguy | like a bad sync of state, or something | 15:19 |
| johnthetubaguy | OK, it was more that I am unlikely to do anything about it right now | 15:20 |
| BobBall | bah :D | 15:20 |
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| BobBall | it'll have been cleaned up by the time you read emails ;) | 15:21 |
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| johnthetubaguy | yeah, I am on ETO till next wednesday from tomorrow, so you are probably right | 15:21 |
| emaganap | XenAPI folks, I have a request from the docs area, let me know when will be the best time to speak up | 15:22 |
| BobBall | ETO? | 15:22 |
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| johnthetubaguy | earned time off | 15:22 |
| johnthetubaguy | holiday | 15:22 |
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| BobBall | Gotta love how all companies have different words for it | 15:22 |
| BobBall | should we talk docs now johnthetubaguy and emaganap ? | 15:23 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, its funncy | 15:23 |
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| johnthetubaguy | well, quickly about the summit... | 15:23 |
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| johnthetubaguy | anything we want for the summit? | 15:23 |
| BobBall | A t-shirt. | 15:23 |
| BobBall | But I think that's a given. | 15:23 |
| emaganap | johnthetubaguy: beer | 15:23 |
| johnthetubaguy | BobBall: you were going to organise some kinda beer? | 15:23 |
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| BobBall | beer is a better answer. | 15:23 |
| BobBall | I've not done anything about beer :/ | 15:24 |
| johnthetubaguy | ah, well we should do something, if there is no Nova session on XenAPI | 15:24 |
| johnthetubaguy | anyways | 15:24 |
| johnthetubaguy | #topic Docs | 15:24 |
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| johnthetubaguy | fireaway | 15:25 |
| emaganap | I work mostly on the Neutron area | 15:25 |
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| emaganap | we have a bud about undocumented work on XenAPI support | 15:25 |
| emaganap | https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+bug/1026745 | 15:25 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1026745 in openstack-manuals "Quantum docs should describe XenAPI setup" [Medium,Confirmed] | 15:25 |
| emaganap | I was wondering if you guys could take a look and give me some possible names to own this bug | 15:26 |
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| emaganap | It has been opened for a while | 15:26 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, I have not played with that recently, I know matel had a wiki page | 15:26 |
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| BobBall | wiki page? | 15:26 |
| BobBall | not blog? | 15:26 |
| BobBall | I know he did http://blogs.citrix.com/2013/06/14/openstack-networking-quantum-on-xenserver-from-notworking-to-networking/ | 15:27 |
| BobBall | Oh - this page? https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/QuantumDevstackOvsXcp | 15:27 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, thats it | 15:27 |
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| johnthetubaguy | well, and the blog I guess | 15:27 |
| BobBall | hmmm - yeah - that's devstack | 15:28 |
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| johnthetubaguy | I have never got it working myself, and kinda thing we need another CI setup to test it, but yeah | 15:28 |
| johnthetubaguy | well, what bits run where, is probably the first bit right? | 15:28 |
| BobBall | I guess the blog post is more what any docs should cover | 15:28 |
| BobBall | https://raw.github.com/matelakat/shared/xs-q-v1/xenserver-quantum/deployment.png | 15:28 |
| BobBall | That's what runs where | 15:28 |
| BobBall | it's fun. | 15:28 |
| emaganap | I was not familiar with those ones but I always hear the same statement "I have never got it working myself" | 15:29 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, agreed | 15:29 |
| emaganap | :-( | 15:29 |
| BobBall | We have a CI that runs the setup at Citrix | 15:29 |
| annegentle | BobBall: be sure to add that blog post in the comments for that bug | 15:29 |
| BobBall | some tempest tests fail due to security groups not working properly with the OVS | 15:29 |
| annegentle | BobBall: if it's not already | 15:29 |
| BobBall | but I think that's being fxied ATM | 15:29 |
| BobBall | will do annegentle | 15:29 |
| emaganap | In Neutron we are deprecating anything that is not documented | 15:30 |
| johnthetubaguy | emaganap: makes good sense | 15:30 |
| emaganap | I will give it a try myself | 15:30 |
| annegentle | BobBall: danke | 15:30 |
| johnthetubaguy | this is probably a sticking point for nova-network removal as well right | 15:30 |
| johnthetubaguy | BobBall: changes of a second XenServer CI that runs neutron? | 15:31 |
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| BobBall | By myself? Quite low I think. | 15:32 |
| BobBall | Not sure about the resources either - doubling up might be too much | 15:32 |
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| BobBall | I assume you mean a voting 3rd party CI | 15:32 |
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| johnthetubaguy | yeah, ideally | 15:32 |
| johnthetubaguy | or switching over, if it works | 15:32 |
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| BobBall | it might 'just work' since all the goodness is in devstack | 15:32 |
| BobBall | but the 3rd party CI is firmly nova-network ATM | 15:32 |
| johnthetubaguy | anyways, maybe sorting out the testing is enough to talk about at the summit? | 15:33 |
| BobBall | as I said, we have one internal at Citrix which is running | 15:33 |
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| BobBall | That'd be a very good topic to talk about yeah | 15:33 |
| johnthetubaguy | BobBall: it must be neutron soon, else we will never remove nova-network | 15:33 |
| johnthetubaguy | BobBall: so do we want a session of XenAPI driver then? | 15:33 |
| BobBall | I'm eagerly anticipating a timescale for the removal of nova-network | 15:33 |
| emaganap | yes, please work with Neutron folks if needed.. I can help | 15:33 |
| emaganap | I am Neutron core | 15:33 |
| BobBall | and I'm sure that that removal shouldn't depend on the xenserver 3rd party CI | 15:34 |
| johnthetubaguy | emaganap: appreciate the heads up on deprecation | 15:34 |
| johnthetubaguy | BobBall: it will do really, at least makes that CI useless, so puts XenAPI driver at risk again | 15:34 |
| BobBall | Not sure it's worth a summit session - but definitely a discussion :) | 15:34 |
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| BobBall | indeed. | 15:34 |
| BobBall | What are the prospects of nova-network being deprecated in juno? | 15:35 |
| johnthetubaguy | BobBall: duno | 15:35 |
| BobBall | emaganap? | 15:35 |
| BobBall | are you hopeful? | 15:35 |
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| BobBall | *realistically hopeful? ;) | 15:35 |
| emaganap | That is the 1M USD question | 15:35 |
| BobBall | haha ok | 15:35 |
| johnthetubaguy | BobBall: personally I am campaigning for its removal from nova, into a separate project now | 15:35 |
| emaganap | we hope to make it this time | 15:35 |
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| johnthetubaguy | BobBall: if we don't deprecate it | 15:36 |
| BobBall | btw - who gets the 1M if neutron makes it? Because if no one has volunteered, I'd be happy to. | 15:36 |
| emaganap | well, nova-network is already a separate project.. it is called Neutron | 15:36 |
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| emaganap | my personal take is we should deprecated ASAP.. then we will fix all issues ASAP | 15:37 |
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| emaganap | no body knows how many bugs are under the rocks until you move them | 15:37 |
| johnthetubaguy | emaganap: yeah, it would compete with neutron, thats true | 15:38 |
| emaganap | but it is just me and my aggressive, crazy view | 15:38 |
| BobBall | Perhaps we should have a "Quantum week". Break nova network, switch jenkins over to use it for a week and see how it goes | 15:38 |
| johnthetubaguy | well, need to do something, anyways | 15:38 |
| BobBall | sorry, sorry, neutron. | 15:38 |
| johnthetubaguy | there was one I think last cycle | 15:38 |
| BobBall | a neutron week? | 15:38 |
| BobBall | I missed that | 15:38 |
| johnthetubaguy | anyways… we are getting distracted | 15:38 |
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| emaganap | BobBall: I like that idea.. a breaking week | 15:38 |
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| johnthetubaguy | whats the plan with the docs then? | 15:39 |
| emaganap | johnthetubaguy: not sure if you are asking in general or just for the bug that I asked | 15:40 |
| johnthetubaguy | we use quark plugin, or at least moving that way, so I don't really know much about the other one | 15:40 |
| johnthetubaguy | emaganap: kinda both | 15:40 |
| BobBall | I don't have a plan currently | 15:40 |
| BobBall | I don't know much about it either which is fun | 15:40 |
| BobBall | What's the deprecation schedule mestery ? | 15:40 |
| BobBall | emaganap* | 15:40 |
| johnthetubaguy | BobBall: not that bit, just the docs plan | 15:41 |
| johnthetubaguy | for us | 15:41 |
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| johnthetubaguy | as in XenAPI driver | 15:41 |
| emaganap | BobBall: Ohhhhhhh | 15:41 |
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| emaganap | BobBall: what a confusion.... ha ha ah lol | 15:41 |
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| johnthetubaguy | BobBall: I think I get your question, now too | 15:41 |
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| BobBall | what docs for XenAPI driver? *lost* | 15:41 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah… lets step back | 15:42 |
| johnthetubaguy | first the bug | 15:42 |
| johnthetubaguy | the doc bug | 15:42 |
| emaganap | lI think it will be deprecated during Juno-3, so we have time | 15:42 |
| johnthetubaguy | how do we move forward | 15:42 |
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| johnthetubaguy | cool, so deadline is Juno-3 | 15:42 |
| johnthetubaguy | BobBall: do we need to keep that code, if yes, whats the plan with the docs? | 15:42 |
| BobBall | Probably, and as I said I do not have a plan | 15:43 |
| BobBall | A plan needs to be made | 15:43 |
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| johnthetubaguy | BobBall: OK just confirming | 15:43 |
| BobBall | which is, I guess, a metaplan. | 15:43 |
| johnthetubaguy | currently rackspace is using this: https://github.com/rackerlabs/quark | 15:44 |
| johnthetubaguy | or at least planning to move that way | 15:44 |
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| BobBall | What is quark? | 15:44 |
| johnthetubaguy | which is a different neutron plugin, essentially | 15:44 |
| BobBall | Ah - so XenAPI is using the OVS plugin | 15:44 |
| BobBall | wasn't that getting deprecated at some point? | 15:45 |
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| johnthetubaguy | yeah, quark is an alternative to the OVS plugin, that also uses OVS | 15:45 |
| BobBall | I meant in general, from neutron. | 15:45 |
| johnthetubaguy | quark currently only works with XenServer | 15:45 |
| BobBall | I wonder if documenting + having a CI based on Quark would be a better long term combination | 15:46 |
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| BobBall | since the OVS plugin won't keep sync with the OVS from xenserver | 15:46 |
| johnthetubaguy | BobBall: thats the question I think | 15:46 |
| BobBall | but I guess quark is more likely to | 15:46 |
| johnthetubaguy | BobBall: well, quark is using OVS v2.0 currently, I think | 15:46 |
| BobBall | good point. | 15:46 |
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| johnthetubaguy | anyways, needs some thought | 15:47 |
| BobBall | I get the link with quantum... but when I think of quark I can't help but think of low fat cheese... | 15:47 |
| BobBall | strange plugin name from that perspective. | 15:47 |
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| johnthetubaguy | yeah, duno where the name came from | 15:48 |
| BobBall | Well I assume quarks? | 15:48 |
| johnthetubaguy | maybe, anyways... | 15:48 |
| BobBall | as in up, down, strange, top, bottom... | 15:48 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah | 15:48 |
| johnthetubaguy | its strange, lol | 15:48 |
| BobBall | kinda linked to quantum stuff ;) | 15:48 |
| johnthetubaguy | ah, very true... | 15:48 |
| BobBall | haha | 15:48 |
| johnthetubaguy | my brain is about to turn off me thinks | 15:49 |
| BobBall | Let's call it then. | 15:49 |
| johnthetubaguy | well... | 15:49 |
| johnthetubaguy | #topic Open Discussion | 15:49 |
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| johnthetubaguy | are there any other bits | 15:49 |
| BobBall | Didn't we just do Open Discussion? ;) | 15:50 |
| johnthetubaguy | sounds like we need a plan for neutron and XenServer introp | 15:50 |
| johnthetubaguy | That was docs I though | 15:50 |
| johnthetubaguy | I can't remember now, oh dear | 15:50 |
| BobBall | yup | 15:50 |
| johnthetubaguy | I can see my band rehearsal being fun tonight | 15:50 |
| BobBall | I'd happily move to quark I think | 15:50 |
| johnthetubaguy | conductor: why all the wrong notes? | 15:50 |
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| johnthetubaguy | me: duno, just kinda stopped reading the music and fell asleep | 15:51 |
| BobBall | we'd just need to document and/or package OVS | 15:51 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, true | 15:51 |
| johnthetubaguy | I am sure such packages could be provided | 15:51 |
| johnthetubaguy | given they are being used already | 15:51 |
| BobBall | it's easy enough to compile too | 15:51 |
| johnthetubaguy | but yeah, needs some work | 15:51 |
| johnthetubaguy | true true | 15:51 |
| BobBall | chuck them in the supplemental pack with the plugins | 15:52 |
| BobBall | and jobs a goodun | 15:52 |
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| johnthetubaguy | cools | 15:52 |
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| BobBall | getting that in a CI would be nice and close to what you use at RAX too | 15:52 |
| johnthetubaguy | anyways, we need to find a way to test that upstream | 15:52 |
| johnthetubaguy | BobBall: yeah, I send an email to different people asking for effort on that like every week, one day it might work | 15:52 |
| BobBall | good way to get some involvement in the current CI to upgrade it to neutron + quark! | 15:52 |
| BobBall | haha | 15:53 |
| johnthetubaguy | by which I mean, one day I will snap and do it | 15:53 |
| BobBall | *grin* | 15:53 |
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| johnthetubaguy | yeah, lets see, I am working on getting a copy of the CI to run XenServer + cells + quark | 15:53 |
| johnthetubaguy | and using that as a good intro | 15:53 |
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| johnthetubaguy | maybe including cloud-cafe tests | 15:53 |
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| johnthetubaguy | but just one bit of those would be a step forward | 15:53 |
| johnthetubaguy | so… we are out of time, almost | 15:54 |
| johnthetubaguy | any last burning issues or ideas? | 15:54 |
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| BobBall | not that I can think of | 15:55 |
| johnthetubaguy | #endmeeting | 15:55 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Apr 16 15:55:09 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:55 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/xenapi/2014/xenapi.2014-04-16-15.02.html | 15:55 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/xenapi/2014/xenapi.2014-04-16-15.02.txt | 15:55 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/xenapi/2014/xenapi.2014-04-16-15.02.log.html | 15:55 |
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| jgriffith | #startmeeting cinder | 15:59 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Apr 16 15:59:51 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jgriffith. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:59 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:59 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'cinder' | 15:59 |
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| jgriffith | Hey everyone | 16:00 |
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| kmartin | hello | 16:00 |
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| thingee | o/ | 16:00 |
| jgriffith | Just wanted to do a quick synch up with folks today | 16:00 |
| asselin | hi | 16:00 |
| jgriffith | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/CinderMeetings | 16:00 |
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| jgriffith | #topic Release Status | 16:00 |
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| jgriffith | We cut another RC yesterday morning | 16:01 |
| jgriffith | At this point we should be done unless something REALLY critical pops up | 16:01 |
| jgriffith | akerr: did note a problem with Glance API V2 | 16:01 |
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| thingee | jgriffith: there was an issue that came up with create from image | 16:01 |
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| jgriffith | thingee: :) | 16:02 |
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| thingee | with regards to checksum missing | 16:02 |
| jgriffith | yes | 16:02 |
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| jgriffith | same issue I just mentioned | 16:02 |
| jgriffith | It's Glance API V2 | 16:02 |
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| jgriffith | There are two bugs associated with that.... | 16:02 |
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| jgriffith | https://bugs.launchpad.net/cinder/+bug/1308594 | 16:02 |
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| kmartin | should that be fixed, if it's easy? | 16:02 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1308594 in cinder "upload-to-image fails with size error on glance v2 api" [High,Confirmed] | 16:02 |
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| jgriffith | https://bugs.launchpad.net/cinder/+bug/1308058 | 16:02 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1308058 in cinder "Cannot create volume from glance image without checksum" [Undecided,New] | 16:02 |
| jgriffith | kmartin: the problem is timing | 16:02 |
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| kmartin | yeah, down to the wire | 16:03 |
| jgriffith | So spinning another RC and reseting the package maintainers again this late is not good | 16:03 |
| jgriffith | Also.... | 16:03 |
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| thingee | and since we can't guarantee the timing with the state of things, I say we revert and default to None. | 16:03 |
| jgriffith | My view is that this is a V2 Glance API thing | 16:03 |
| jgriffith | and we default to V1 | 16:03 |
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| jgriffith | My vote/view is document in the Release notes as Known issue (which is done) and roll | 16:04 |
| kmartin | agree...should note it | 16:04 |
| glenng | But it does have an impact to a new NetApp feature requiring v2. | 16:04 |
| jgriffith | glenng: yes, correct | 16:04 |
| jgriffith | which sucks | 16:04 |
| glenng | agreed | 16:04 |
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| thingee | it's too bad that this was reported pretty early yesterday too | 16:05 |
| jgriffith | I talked to akerr and he stated that a backport could be relatively easy for Netapp customers | 16:05 |
| thingee | and not noticed | 16:05 |
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| glenng | Not the end of the world; documenting would be okay. | 16:05 |
| jgriffith | thingee: well since we default to V1 only Netapp uses V2 right now | 16:05 |
| thingee | just saying, I' | 16:05 |
| jgriffith | thingee: FYI even yesterday morning was a bit late | 16:06 |
| thingee | think the cut off wasn't done right | 16:06 |
| akerr | jgriffith: our feature is optional as well. As glenng says, not the end of the world | 16:06 |
| thingee | if there are unverified issues like this | 16:06 |
| jgriffith | thingee: we cut/shipped yesterday AM at about 8:00 | 16:06 |
| jgriffith | I think we're ok | 16:06 |
| thingee | It was earlier than that | 16:06 |
| jgriffith | thingee: well ok... | 16:06 |
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| jgriffith | thingee: and the point is? | 16:06 |
| thingee | it was unverified. there was a cut off | 16:06 |
| thingee | what if it was critical? | 16:07 |
| jgriffith | thingee: I'm not sure what you're looking for here? Is this criticism, or something else? | 16:07 |
| thingee | I'm just unhappy with the cut off decision | 16:07 |
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| thingee | on new unverified issues | 16:07 |
| jgriffith | thingee: what specifically do you mean? | 16:08 |
| thingee | be present | 16:08 |
| jgriffith | thingee: the "cut off" decision? | 16:08 |
| thingee | can't make it more clear than that | 16:08 |
| jgriffith | thingee: You're unhappy with me cutting the RC yesterday? | 16:08 |
| jgriffith | thingee: maybe we should talk after the meeting | 16:09 |
| jgriffith | thingee: You seem to be very unhappy with how things have been going lately | 16:09 |
| jgriffith | maybe we can fix it | 16:09 |
| jgriffith | Ok... so back to our regular scheduled program | 16:09 |
| jgriffith | #topic summit sessions update | 16:10 |
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| glenng | Yahoo! | 16:10 |
| jgriffith | I'll make another pass on those shortly | 16:10 |
| jgriffith | Have some good proposals | 16:10 |
| jgriffith | It's not too late if you have items you want to propose, but need to do it today | 16:11 |
| thingee | jgriffith: is the ISCSI and FC clean up work in brick needed for a session? | 16:11 |
| thingee | could probably just unconf for interested parties | 16:11 |
| thingee | will not just brick | 16:11 |
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| bswartz | thingee: unconf sessions are no more | 16:11 |
| bswartz | let me find the blog | 16:11 |
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| thingee | bswartz: I can invite anyone to a bar with me to discuss it | 16:11 |
| jgriffith | thingee: We have slots | 16:12 |
| thingee | and then bring it up in the ML | 16:12 |
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| thingee | ;) | 16:12 |
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| jgriffith | thingee: we should propose it | 16:12 |
| jgriffith | IMO | 16:12 |
| glenng | *is interested* | 16:12 |
| bswartz | oh a REAL unconf session! are you buying? | 16:12 |
| thingee | ok, I had second thoughts how productive it would be | 16:12 |
| thingee | bswartz: HA, I'm on a budget nowadays | 16:12 |
| thingee | jgriffith: ok I'll propose it | 16:13 |
| jgriffith | thingee: thanks | 16:13 |
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| jgriffith | any questions/suggestions WRT summit sessions? | 16:13 |
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| thingee | have we verified the people that have proposed these are going to be present or have someone familiar with the subject to be present? | 16:13 |
| thingee | I don't want more david wang situations | 16:13 |
| jgriffith | haha | 16:14 |
| DuncanT-1 | Who/is/ David Wang? | 16:14 |
| jgriffith | I've checked with each of them and they've "said" they'll be there | 16:14 |
| thingee | DuncanT-1: that's the new shirt | 16:14 |
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| hemna | mornin | 16:14 |
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| winston-d | hemna: morning~ | 16:15 |
| jgriffith | anything else from anyone? | 16:15 |
| DuncanT-1 | I saw a couple of sessions marked incomplete | 16:15 |
| DuncanT-1 | Does that mean they're out? | 16:15 |
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| hemna | thingee, iSCSI/FC cleanup work ? | 16:16 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT-1: nahh | 16:16 |
| thingee | hemna: yes, it's a mess | 16:16 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT-1: means they have a chance to come back with a more detailed focus | 16:16 |
| thingee | complicated code | 16:16 |
| xyang1 | jgriffith: how many slots do we have | 16:16 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT-1: but as the proposal was there were concerns or it wasn't clear what the objective was | 16:16 |
| hemna | thingee, ok fill me in offline | 16:16 |
| jgriffith | xyang1: 12 | 16:16 |
| jgriffith | errr... 11 | 16:16 |
| DuncanT-1 | jgriffith: Ok, cool | 16:17 |
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| xyang1 | jgriffith: do you know which days yet? Wed, Thu, Fri? | 16:17 |
| jgriffith | hemna: if you want to update multi-attach perhaps? | 16:17 |
| hemna | thingee, almost all of that is directly from nova. I have plans to refactor some of the initiator side, wrt multi-attach and rediscovery at detach time for iSCSI | 16:17 |
| jgriffith | xyang1: Friday last check | 16:17 |
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| hemna | jgriffith, sure | 16:17 |
| jgriffith | xyang1: same as usual | 16:17 |
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| hemna | multi-attach is coming along. I have the first set of patches as WIP in gerrit for nova, cinder, cinderclient | 16:18 |
| jgriffith | hemna: awesome | 16:18 |
| hemna | but I'm working on changes to it as well as getting unit tests working | 16:18 |
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| jgriffith | #topic open-discussion | 16:18 |
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| hemna | I had to make a change to the current patches at detach time to pass in the attachment uuid instead of instance uuid, because Cinder can attach to a host (no instance uuid in that case) | 16:18 |
| winston-d | jgriffith: was asking about if people are interested in immutable volumt type or in place update for volumes when admin making changes to type definition or type-QoS associations | 16:19 |
| jgriffith | thingee: I don't see it? | 16:19 |
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| hemna | I came across an issue yesterday that I might need some help with | 16:20 |
| thingee | weird, I do | 16:20 |
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| thingee | well it's 'cinder resource status' | 16:20 |
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| thingee | specifically the way we handle a status for an object | 16:20 |
| jungleboyj_ | I am here now. | 16:20 |
| thingee | https://bugs.launchpad.net/cinder/+bug/1305550 | 16:20 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1305550 in cinder "Failed retype with driver raised exception should set volume status to "error"" [Undecided,In progress] | 16:20 |
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| thingee | this bug raised a thought that we make the status field too complicated | 16:20 |
| jgriffith | thingee: oh, topic to the agenda | 16:20 |
| jgriffith | not the summit | 16:20 |
| winston-d | thingee: or not complicated enough? | 16:21 |
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| jgriffith | #topic what to do on retype failure | 16:21 |
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| thingee | I would like folks to think of cinder of trying removing a lot of the intervention by ops and user. | 16:21 |
| jgriffith | winston-d: not complicated enough IMO | 16:21 |
| hemna | volume/manager.py _migrate_volume_generic has a call into nova to update_server_volume for an instance. since cinder can be attached to multiple instances, which one do I use in the nova_api.update_server_volume() call? | 16:21 |
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| thingee | to be clear I don't think it should be up to people recover volumes if cinder can do it | 16:21 |
| hemna | or do I call it for every instance. | 16:22 |
| hemna | thats the only oustanding issue I have wrt multi-attach | 16:22 |
| jungleboyj_ | I think the problem is bigger than just for three type. It seems like we should be able to provide the user with more information about a failure. | 16:22 |
| jgriffith | hemna: can we come back around to that | 16:22 |
| thingee | if somethin is in an error, just stop. it's done. and keep the status as *error*. | 16:22 |
| jungleboyj_ | *retype | 16:22 |
| jgriffith | hemna: finish up the talk about retype first | 16:22 |
| hemna | so I'm going to try and get a second set of patches up in gerrit this week | 16:22 |
| hemna | jgriffith, ok | 16:22 |
| thingee | don't try to convey it with 'it-failed-because-of-this-thing' status | 16:23 |
| thingee | have a separate field that explains why the status is 'error' | 16:23 |
| jgriffith | thingee: so the question however is in that particular case is setting it to error-status appropriate I vote no | 16:23 |
| DuncanT-1 | Fine with the separate field | 16:23 |
| thingee | jgriffith: ok, what do you gain from other statuses? | 16:23 |
| akerr | thingee: doesn't nova do something similar to that when an instance goes into error? | 16:23 |
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| jungleboyj_ | Can we do a separate fields and still be able to have the user take actions or will it only be the administrator? | 16:23 |
| ameade | akerr: +1 instance faults | 16:23 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT-1: I think thingee is saying the opposite | 16:24 |
| DuncanT-1 | jgriffith: what should it do? Leave the volume at the old type? | 16:24 |
| thingee | my point is we should reserve error for, there is nothing cinder can do about it. nothing the user can do about it | 16:24 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT-1: well, I think so yes | 16:24 |
| thingee | it's up to ops | 16:24 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT-1: and the reason is becuase there's nothing "wrong" with the volume | 16:24 |
| DuncanT-1 | jgriffith: That seems quite reasonable to me | 16:24 |
| jgriffith | and worse the user doesn't have a mechanism to know what retype's are valid | 16:24 |
| jgriffith | so it's trial and error | 16:24 |
| thingee | jgriffith: so i agree with retype | 16:24 |
| jgriffith | and I think it's bad user experience to put it in error | 16:24 |
| jgriffith | and say "haha now you can't use your volume" | 16:25 |
| thingee | I'm saying in general, better conveying to the user what happened is what I'm adovcating here | 16:25 |
| jgriffith | thingee: so that's another topic IMO | 16:25 |
| winston-d | jgriffith: well, i think https://bugs.launchpad.net/cinder/+bug/1305550 here is more about something wrong happened when retyping a volume | 16:25 |
| jgriffith | thingee: and we should propose sub-states | 16:25 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1305550 in cinder "Failed retype with driver raised exception should set volume status to "error"" [Undecided,In progress] | 16:25 |
| thingee | jgriffith: agreed. and if you look back to my original sentence, this topic brought on a thought for me | 16:25 |
| thingee | of this | 16:25 |
| jgriffith | winston-d: yeah, that one is different and that's no good | 16:26 |
| jungleboyj_ | Thingee so you were saying we wouldn't put the volume in error? | 16:26 |
| akerr | jgriffith: we already have error_extending, but I'm not sure thats the best way to go | 16:26 |
| thingee | I think sub-states is also complicated. Again, error is just nothing can be done about it. Not cinder, not the user. Just ops | 16:26 |
| thingee | put that in a status description field | 16:26 |
| jungleboyj_ | Just leave it is available with more information in the field? | 16:26 |
| thingee | make it so it's safe for users' eyes | 16:26 |
| jgriffith | akerr: yeah, it still blocks some things that look for "error_" | 16:26 |
| winston-d | Nova has both 'task state' and 'instance falut' | 16:27 |
| thingee | ops can see a general idea from what the user sees and look at the logs for more information | 16:27 |
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| jgriffith | winston-d: +1 | 16:27 |
| winston-d | we can at least have one | 16:27 |
| ameade | you need to be able to handle the case of multiple errors on one resource | 16:27 |
| winston-d | or both | 16:27 |
| ameade | i dont want to only see info about the latest | 16:27 |
| thingee | ameade: so I talked about that in #openstack-cinder too | 16:27 |
| jgriffith | ameade: I don't agree with that but I think we're rat holing a bit | 16:27 |
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| winston-d | ameade: use cases like multi-attaching? | 16:28 |
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| jgriffith | the bottom line is right now we have ONE and only ONE method of conveying status | 16:28 |
| jgriffith | it seems that's not enough | 16:28 |
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| winston-d | jgriffith: +1 | 16:28 |
| jgriffith | so we should at least start by implementing a task-state | 16:28 |
| jungleboyj_ | ameade I think that is going further than we need right now. | 16:28 |
| jgriffith | and go from there | 16:28 |
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| * thingee is talking to himself when he just brought up a second way of giving status | 16:28 | |
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| jungleboyj_ | jgriffith sounds reasonable. | 16:29 |
| jgriffith | thingee: what did you want to say | 16:29 |
| jgriffith | thingee: floor is all yours | 16:29 |
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| jgriffith | everybody listen to thingee | 16:29 |
| thingee | let me scrollback up and paste what I said earlier | 16:29 |
| * jungleboyj_ listens | 16:30 | |
| thingee | This is also explained in the bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/cinder/+bug/1305550 | 16:30 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1305550 in cinder "Failed retype with driver raised exception should set volume status to "error"" [Undecided,In progress] | 16:30 |
| jgriffith | thingee: ummm... sorry that doesn't help me | 16:30 |
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| jgriffith | thingee: what did YOU say | 16:30 |
| hemna | (we should get that bot in openstack-cinder) | 16:30 |
| thingee | Reserve 'error' for the resource is not recoverable by user or cinder. it requires manual intervention by ops | 16:31 |
| thingee | jgriffith: sorry still typing | 16:31 |
| thingee | use a *second* field to give a description of the status | 16:31 |
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| thingee | instead of 'it-failed-because-of-this-status' like we've been doing | 16:31 |
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| jgriffith | thingee: sure | 16:32 |
| jungleboyj_ | jgriffith I think he is pointing out that he wants to keep her for just the worst of situations. | 16:32 |
| jgriffith | thingee: as in my proposal in comment #2 of the bug | 16:32 |
| jungleboyj_ | *error | 16:32 |
| winston-d | thingee: so no 'error-extending' but just 'error' with an description field? | 16:32 |
| akerr | winston-d: i think not even "error" there because the volume is still usable, just not the new size | 16:33 |
| thingee | in order to promote better state setting, I would say instead of using the db api directly, we need some helper for setting state that would require things like the new state e.g. available, error, in-use, and a status description is required if it's something like error state. | 16:33 |
| jungleboyj_ | winston-d or available with a description field. | 16:33 |
| winston-d | akerr: well, that depends. | 16:33 |
| winston-d | jungleboyj_: ^^ | 16:33 |
| jgriffith | thingee: yeah, we've been saying for a year defined and real states | 16:34 |
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| winston-d | i wish we can have backend driver report some type of failure that actually doesn't hurt/touch the volume. | 16:34 |
| jungleboyj_ | It seems like we would still have to add a state for the case for your command failed and you need to see the additional information. | 16:34 |
| thingee | jgriffith: I guess when I read #2 comment in that bug, I took it as another key being used for the sub-status, not a full description of text. | 16:35 |
| jgriffith | winston-d: I agree | 16:35 |
| akerr | you could define something like a 'nonFatalError' exception that drivers could throw | 16:35 |
| jungleboyj_ | winston-d +1 | 16:35 |
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| hemna | doesn't this fall under general state management of volume transactions. Wasn't taskflow supposed to help with this some? | 16:35 |
| winston-d | akerr: yeah, but until we have that, an error could be a unrecoverable error | 16:36 |
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| jgriffith | Ok... can I say something without hurting any feelings or pissing anybody off? | 16:36 |
| jgriffith | let's back up and focus a little | 16:36 |
| jgriffith | first; don't bring taskflow into the discussion, it doesn't do what we're talking about regardless of if that was a goal or not | 16:37 |
| jgriffith | Let's propose a summit session | 16:37 |
| jgriffith | First... let's agree on: Adding a task-status entry | 16:37 |
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| jgriffith | We can argue about verbosity, what it means etc later | 16:37 |
| jungleboyj_ | jgr iffith +1 | 16:38 |
| jgriffith | At the same time, that means we have the opportunity to limit the status field we have today as thingee pointed out | 16:38 |
| jungleboyj_ | I think getting in a room together and talking about this is a good idea. | 16:38 |
| jgriffith | which I think is needed/good | 16:38 |
| jgriffith | There are a lot of opportunities here | 16:38 |
| jungleboyj_ | Ageed. | 16:38 |
| jgriffith | but you can't throw in EVERYTHING all at once | 16:39 |
| jgriffith | does this sound reasonable to everyone? | 16:39 |
| jgriffith | are there any disagreements? | 16:39 |
| thingee | question | 16:39 |
| hemna | well I just think taskflow is relevant to the discussion of volume state. that's all. | 16:40 |
| thingee | what is the task-state accomplishing? what exactly does 'creating' currently mean for example? | 16:40 |
| jgriffith | creating today is a status | 16:40 |
| thingee | correct | 16:40 |
| jungleboyj_ | thingee it is telling the user what is happening that they can't see. | 16:40 |
| jgriffith | when you say task-state are you referring to the hypothetical yet to exist thing? | 16:41 |
| hemna | and it means you can't take other actions on the volume while it's in that status. | 16:41 |
| jgriffith | or something else? | 16:41 |
| thingee | ok, so again, it's explaining what 'creating' status currently means. | 16:41 |
| thingee | more detailed | 16:41 |
| thingee | as an example | 16:41 |
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| thingee | jgriffith: I'm referring to 'task-state' that you just said a few lines up | 16:41 |
| jgriffith | thanks | 16:41 |
| jgriffith | and NO | 16:41 |
| jgriffith | it's not to describe the status | 16:42 |
| thingee | I don't know what task-state means and I was just giving an example to understand. | 16:42 |
| jgriffith | it's not to describe what "attaching" means | 16:42 |
| jungleboyj_ | thingee that is what I am thinking. That is what we need to talk about at the summit. | 16:42 |
| jgriffith | I'll try my proposal again.... | 16:42 |
| jgriffith | For example: | 16:42 |
| jgriffith | You try to extend a volume | 16:42 |
| akerr | do you mean state=creating, task-state=in progress? | 16:42 |
| jgriffith | The volume/backend doesn't support extend | 16:42 |
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| jgriffith | The volume is "fine", just not extended | 16:43 |
| jgriffith | DONT put the volume in error status | 16:43 |
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| jgriffith | Set a taks-status of "extend-failed" or whatever | 16:43 |
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| jgriffith | leave the volume as 'available' and the original size | 16:43 |
| jgriffith | Example 2: | 16:44 |
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| jgriffith | retype from foo to baz | 16:44 |
| jgriffith | backend doens't support baz, and migration is not enabled | 16:44 |
| jgriffith | DONT set volume to error status and make it unusable | 16:44 |
| jgriffith | Set the task-status to "error-retyp" or whatever | 16:44 |
| jgriffith | Leave the status as "avaialble" | 16:44 |
| jgriffith | thingee: is that clear? | 16:45 |
| thingee | yup | 16:45 |
| jgriffith | thingee: do I need another example? | 16:45 |
| jungleboyj_ | jgriffith +2 | 16:45 |
| hemna | shouldn't we include a tnx history, instead of just the last failure ? | 16:45 |
| thingee | hemna: +1 | 16:45 |
| hemna | txn | 16:45 |
| jgriffith | tnx? | 16:45 |
| hemna | sorry, I'm lazy....transaction | 16:45 |
| glenng | jgriffith + 1 | 16:45 |
| jgriffith | gotcha | 16:45 |
| jgriffith | hemna: maybe... | 16:45 |
| jungleboyj_ | hemna one thing at a time. | 16:45 |
| jgriffith | hemna: 1. What would that be | 16:45 |
| jgriffith | hemna: 2. Do you need that first pass | 16:45 |
| jgriffith | hemna: 3. How do you manage it | 16:45 |
| winston-d | hemna: like instance faluts of Nova? | 16:45 |
| jgriffith | winston-d: yes | 16:46 |
| thingee | jgriffith: I think it's really important to consider this in the design now. If we change our mind later, it's going to be a pain to change on deployed | 16:46 |
| hemna | do we need it right now? I'd argue that yes, we could use it now :) | 16:46 |
| jgriffith | thingee: I'm not saying that it isn't | 16:46 |
| thingee | once deployed* | 16:46 |
| hemna | does it have to be done first pass, probably not. | 16:46 |
| jgriffith | hemna: Please answer the first question | 16:46 |
| akerr | maybe get getting ahead here again, but would want a 3rd field with a more descriptive explanation of why the task failed? | 16:46 |
| jgriffith | hemna: 'what is it' | 16:46 |
| jungleboyj_ | The last few states of that volume? | 16:46 |
| hemna | another table in the db that tracks transactions and their states/steps/failures | 16:47 |
| jgriffith | jungleboyj_: that's your interpretation... I want hemna 's | 16:47 |
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| thingee | hemna: pretty much what I thought too | 16:47 |
| jgriffith | hemna: for who's consumption? | 16:47 |
| thingee | the user | 16:47 |
| ameade | how does the user know there was an error at all (if the status isn't error)? | 16:47 |
| hemna | soo......that leads me to bring up taskflow again. Isn't there a built in mechanism to taskflow that tracks the transaction state? | 16:48 |
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| hemna | jgriffith, for admins | 16:48 |
| winston-d | ameade: task status | 16:48 |
| DuncanT-1 | hemna: Not really, no. There ought to be, but isn't | 16:48 |
| jgriffith | hemna: so this is why I'm asking "you" | 16:48 |
| ameade | winston-d: sure that could make sense maybe | 16:48 |
| jgriffith | hemna: you say admins, thingee says users | 16:48 |
| thingee | winston-d: I think the problem though is how do you know. say the task status already has a value | 16:48 |
| akerr | winston-d: that assumes the task-status would clear up after some time? | 16:48 |
| hemna | heh | 16:48 |
| thingee | how do you know it's new? | 16:48 |
| jgriffith | others may say "ops" etc | 16:48 |
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| hemna | I dunno, I don't think users should need to see why retype failed, but admins do. | 16:49 |
| thingee | what if you get the same status? do you have to keep track of the old status to know a change has happened? | 16:49 |
| jgriffith | I really think that this is being made much more complex than it should be | 16:49 |
| winston-d | akerr: well, task state/status clear doesn't help if you want to find out why the 'retype' request was failed that you invoke 3 days ago. | 16:49 |
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| hemna | DuncanT-1, ok sounds like we should ping harlowja about adding it then. | 16:50 |
| jgriffith | which is part of the problem I have with existing things (like taskflow) | 16:50 |
| jungleboyj_ | jgriffith +2 | 16:50 |
| DuncanT-1 | hemna: Not simple, since taskflow currently isn't built in a way it can usefully track it | 16:50 |
| winston-d | akerr: and after that you also did a bunch of new operations to the voluem | 16:50 |
| thingee | jgriffith: I think the current thought is more simplified than it should be. I'm trying to figure out how people would use it. | 16:50 |
| thingee | how it would look in clients like horizon | 16:50 |
| jgriffith | thingee: the same as it looks in Nova for example | 16:50 |
| jgriffith | |Status|Task| | 16:51 |
| jgriffith | avaialble|unable-to-retype| | 16:51 |
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| ameade | fwiw, i think typically in a RESTful api what is usually done is the user would create a new 'retype' resource and they can poll that to see the status of the task | 16:51 |
| ameade | but that of course makes no sense in our current design | 16:51 |
| jungleboyj_ | add a timestamp perhaps? | 16:52 |
| thingee | jgriffith: so I'm totally in agreement with going back to available status. +1000. But if extend fails..the user tries twice...they get the same task state back. I guess that's fine and maybe a timestamp of when that task state was updated? | 16:52 |
| thingee | just so you know something finished? | 16:52 |
| winston-d | So Nova has |Status|Task|InstanceFaults| | 16:52 |
| jungleboyj_ | thingee +2 | 16:52 |
| winston-d | |available|unable-to-retype|backend_not_supported| | 16:53 |
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| jgriffith | winston-d: sure | 16:53 |
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| DuncanT-1 | backend_not_supported doesn't mean anything to an end users tennant though | 16:54 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT-1: yeah, I'd suggest that field be admin | 16:54 |
| akerr | thingee: so I suppose a task history would come in handy there — cinder task-history <uuid> -> | Task | Outcome | Timestamp | | 16:54 |
| jgriffith | but again I think we're getting ahead of ourselves a bit | 16:54 |
| winston-d | DuncanT-1: instance falut is for admins | 16:54 |
| DuncanT-1 | Ok, that makes sense | 16:54 |
| hemna | DuncanT-1, unless you want to portray it as that action is not available | 16:54 |
| hemna | since it will always fail | 16:54 |
| jgriffith | 5 minute warning | 16:55 |
| winston-d | akerr: try logstash with request ID | 16:55 |
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| DuncanT-1 | Or stacky with the same | 16:56 |
| winston-d | yeah | 16:56 |
| jgriffith | yeah, please don't suggest duplicating the log files in some API call | 16:56 |
| thingee | winston-d: I still don't think it helps in knowing if a task finished when you retry a failed task. | 16:56 |
| thingee | from the user's standpoint | 16:56 |
| thingee | or client | 16:56 |
| jgriffith | My suggestion was that running a new task 'always' clears the previous task-state | 16:56 |
| jgriffith | set's it to None at the onset | 16:57 |
| jungleboyj_ | give the user as much info as possible. Eventually it helps the admin is well. | 16:57 |
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| hemna | jungleboyj_, hey, user here is a nice fat stacktrace for you. good luck. :P | 16:57 |
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| DuncanT-1 | jungleboyj_: Disagree. Far too easy for the user to start guessing what the problem is and get completely the wrong end of the stick | 16:57 |
| jgriffith | hemna: and so much for the abstraction | 16:57 |
| glenng | Or confuses them. Seeing old error info may hinder when current operation worked. | 16:57 |
| thingee | jgriffith: would that be obvious to someone new? I'm trying to remember if on certain operations we list the volume/snapshot or whatever details before doing certain actions | 16:57 |
| jungleboyj_ | hemna ... Not that much. | 16:58 |
| hemna | :P good. | 16:58 |
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| thingee | jgriffith: It's not an obvious thing to me that a field would be cleared on a new action. | 16:58 |
| jgriffith | thingee: it's a hell of a lot more obvious that silently not extending or setting the volume to error because something isn't supported | 16:58 |
| hemna | other than the current volume state, all the admin has now are log stacktraces...if that. | 16:58 |
| jgriffith | thingee: when you run an API cmd and see the field change it seems obvious to me | 16:59 |
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| thingee | jgriffith: I agree it's better. I'm just saying if we're going to revamp this, lets be careful and consider these things so we're not repeating ourselves. | 16:59 |
| jungleboyj_ | hemna backend_not_supported doesn't seem dangerous though. | 16:59 |
| DuncanT-1 | hemna: Good drivers log lots of useful info of their own too... if yours doesn't, talk to your vendor | 16:59 |
| jgriffith | thingee: fair enough | 16:59 |
| hemna | jungleboyj_, +1 | 16:59 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT-1: +1 | 16:59 |
| jgriffith | Ok | 16:59 |
| thingee | DuncanT-1: +1 | 16:59 |
| bswartz | +1 for log spam | 17:00 |
| jgriffith | We've succesfully burned our hour | 17:00 |
| hemna | DuncanT-1, ours does a good job of logging failures/reasons. I'm just saying in general though that's not overly useful to an admin | 17:00 |
| jgriffith | I'll get a session for this proposed | 17:00 |
| thingee | also with that, reviewers should be encouraging driver changes to give great logs to cinder users! | 17:00 |
| jgriffith | and have some code for ATL | 17:00 |
| hemna | because it takes for fricking ever to find the error in the log on a busy system. | 17:00 |
| DuncanT-1 | ATL? | 17:00 |
| jgriffith | thanks everyone | 17:00 |
| thingee | atlanta | 17:00 |
| hemna | forcing admins to have to look in the log, is the wrong approach IMO | 17:00 |
| DuncanT-1 | Ah | 17:00 |
| jungleboyj_ | thingee my favorite thing to do. | 17:00 |
| jgriffith | #endmeeting | 17:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Apr 16 17:00:53 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2014/cinder.2014-04-16-15.59.html | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2014/cinder.2014-04-16-15.59.txt | 17:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2014/cinder.2014-04-16-15.59.log.html | 17:00 |
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| tjones | #startmeeting vmwareapi | 17:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Apr 16 17:01:07 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is tjones. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:01 |
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| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'vmwareapi' | 17:01 |
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| browne | hi | 17:01 |
| tjones | hi folks - who is here today? | 17:01 |
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| tjones | listening..... | 17:01 |
| dims | o/ | 17:01 |
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| tjones | hey dims - haven't seen you around in a while - welcome | 17:02 |
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| dims | tjones, :) | 17:02 |
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| tjones | ok mdbooth - i wanted to get an update from you - so lets flip the agenda for a minute and go right to pyvmomi. last meeting you and ssurana were going to look into it. any progress? | 17:03 |
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| tjones | #topic pyvmomi | 17:03 |
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| sabari | Hey all | 17:04 |
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| tjones | mdbooth: im guessing no progress since no response. I'll ping again next week | 17:05 |
| tjones | lets move on to BP | 17:05 |
| tjones | #topic Blueprints | 17:05 |
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| tjones | anyone have something they would like to discuss here? | 17:06 |
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| tjones | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova-specs+message:vmware,n,z | 17:06 |
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| browne | not sure what to do with https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/vmware-encrypt-vcenter-passwords | 17:07 |
| tjones | *looking* | 17:07 |
| browne | Joe Gordon reviewed the nova-spec and would like a more general solution that addresses passwords for rabbit, database connections, etc | 17:08 |
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| browne | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/85510/ | 17:08 |
| tjones | thanks was just searching for that | 17:08 |
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| tjones | his comment makes sense and i wonder if it should be something in oslo then? | 17:09 |
| browne | might need to go back to the drawing board and propose something different | 17:09 |
| tjones | browne: that's ok (to restart) | 17:09 |
| mdbooth | Sorry, was driving. Also, I'm on a phone. | 17:09 |
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| browne | nobody likes the idea of encrypting those password strings either. | 17:10 |
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| tjones | mdbooth: lets wait to talk until you are out of the car | 17:10 |
| mdbooth | Then I'll be gone | 17:10 |
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| mdbooth | I can catch up tomorrow, though | 17:11 |
| tjones | mdbooth: that's fine. thanks | 17:11 |
| mdbooth | Have looked at pyvmomi | 17:11 |
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| tjones | browne: im looking - it doesn't look like what you have proposed is very far off from a general solution at 1st glance | 17:11 |
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| mdbooth | tjones: ok, will lurk until I disconnect | 17:11 |
| browne | fyi, the ssh key injection blueprint https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/vmware-inject-ssh-key, might be a no-op. | 17:12 |
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| sabari | browne: did you get a chance to try cloud-init images ? | 17:12 |
| browne | after talking with sabari and researching, ssh key injection should already work as long as the image has cloud-init installed | 17:12 |
| browne | sabari: still working on downloading ubuntu 13. taking forever | 17:12 |
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| tjones | browne: cool | 17:12 |
| sabari | browne: :) | 17:13 |
| browne | our default debian image does not have cloud-init | 17:13 |
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| tjones | browne: we should prob build a new one with it | 17:13 |
| tjones | so anything else on BP? | 17:13 |
| browne | and can't be installed either since cloud-init is in the unstable/testing repo of debian. i tried with no luck | 17:13 |
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| mdbooth | Libguestfs is excellent at guest mods | 17:13 |
| * mdbooth used to work on it | 17:14 | |
| mdbooth | Can detect guest os | 17:14 |
| browne | looked at libguestfs, which i think gets complicated with vcenter in there | 17:14 |
| mdbooth | Doesn't have to | 17:14 |
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| browne | plus it requires ssh enabled, no? | 17:15 |
| mdbooth | It could use https with light mods | 17:15 |
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| browne | mdbooth: ok, maybe we can get together and discuss later. i'd like to understand more | 17:16 |
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| mdbooth | Ok. | 17:16 |
| * mdbooth still has commit on libguestfs | 17:16 | |
| tjones | #action browne and mdbooth discuss libguestfs offline | 17:16 |
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| tjones | any other BP for discussion? | 17:17 |
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| tjones | ok moving on to the summitt | 17:18 |
| tjones | #summit | 17:18 |
| tjones | #topic summit | 17:18 |
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| tjones | we have very few talks proposed for the summit - only 2 so far. the deadline for proposal is the 20th (4 days from now) | 17:18 |
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| tjones | any topics specific to the vmware driver that we need to discuss at the summit? | 17:19 |
| sabari | host/node was something I wanted to talk about but it's already part of http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/details/145 | 17:19 |
| dims | tjones, has anyone picked up the new abstraction layer for vcenter/hyperv/ovirt stuff that we know of? | 17:20 |
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| dims | ah same topic as sabari's question :) | 17:20 |
| tjones | dims: kinda - take a look at http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/details/145 and see if that is what you mean | 17:21 |
| tjones | yes | 17:21 |
| browne | i believe i saw on the ML there was a 3rd CI topic. might want to attend that one | 17:21 |
| browne | 3rd party CI | 17:21 |
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| tjones | anything else we are missing? | 17:22 |
| dims | any progress/talk about how oslo.vmware should work? | 17:23 |
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| tjones | dims: that could be very useful | 17:23 |
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| tjones | dims: do you want to propose that ? | 17:24 |
| sabari | tjones: is there something about standardizing image metadata across hypervisors ? | 17:24 |
| sabari | I am not able to find, but I remember was discussed at the mid-cycle. | 17:24 |
| dims | tjones, i was hoping the people working on it actively would | 17:24 |
| tjones | dims: i can talk to them. i don't think they are at this meeting today | 17:24 |
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| dims | possibly arnaud? | 17:24 |
| sabari | tjones: can check with vipin, garyk, arnaud | 17:24 |
| tjones | yes they are the ones i was thinking of | 17:25 |
| tjones | #link http://summit.openstack.org | 17:25 |
| tjones | sabari: i don't see anything that looks like that | 17:25 |
| sabari | tjones: okay, not something I wanted to propose, but wanted to be part of :) | 17:26 |
| tjones | lol | 17:26 |
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| tjones | well proposing just means you could lead the discussion | 17:26 |
| tjones | you don't have to have all the answers | 17:26 |
| tjones | #action ask vipin, arnaud, gary to propose a session on using oslo.vmware | 17:27 |
| dims | +1 assign work to folks who are not here :) | 17:27 |
| sabari | tjones: but i don't intent to standardize it yet :) | 17:27 |
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| tjones | #action see if anyone want to lead a session on standardizing image meta-data | 17:27 |
| tjones | what about the issue that came up during image cache - multiple n-cpu accessing the same datastore and potentially messing eachother up (that's the technical description) | 17:29 |
| tjones | http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/details/145guess that could be part of http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/details/145 a | 17:30 |
| sabari | hmm yup that's a problem because all of them will try to fill up the temp directory. | 17:30 |
| tjones | sabari: yes there are several issues there | 17:30 |
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| sabari | need to understand what ll happen with arnaud's patch with locking in place | 17:30 |
| sabari | let me post it | 17:31 |
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| tjones | ok any other summit topics? | 17:31 |
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| sabari | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/75551/ | 17:31 |
| sabari | I will investigate or check with him | 17:31 |
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| tjones | ok thanks | 17:32 |
| tjones | ok lets talk about refactoring | 17:32 |
| tjones | #topic refactoring | 17:32 |
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| tjones | the phase 1 patches are all in and i am rebasing over and over as they get reviewed | 17:32 |
| tjones | shawn has the phase 2 in review and there are issues and jenkins issues too. | 17:33 |
| sabari | there some pep8 failures or so | 17:33 |
| tjones | vui is not here unfortunately to talk about his part | 17:33 |
| tjones | sabari: i fixed that this am and rebased | 17:34 |
| sabari | tjones: great! | 17:34 |
| tjones | please help out an review the phase 1 patches listed in #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/vmware-spawn-refactor | 17:35 |
| browne | will do | 17:35 |
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| tjones | #topic other patches | 17:35 |
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| tjones | any other patches people want to discuss? | 17:35 |
| tjones | *listening* | 17:36 |
| tjones | #topic bugs | 17:37 |
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| sabari | strangely the bug fix patches are MIA :) should take a look at the bugs and look for imp ones. | 17:37 |
| sabari | awesome :) | 17:37 |
| tjones | we have a bunch of un-owned bugs - here is an ugly link | 17:37 |
| tjones | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bugs?field.searchtext=&orderby=-importance&search=Search&field.status%3Alist=NEW&field.status%3Alist=CONFIRMED&field.status%3Alist=TRIAGED&assignee_option=none&field.assignee=&field.bug_reporter=&field.bug_commenter=&field.subscriber=&field.structural_subscriber=&field.tag=vmware+&field.tags_combinator=ANY&field.has_cve.used=&field.omit_dupes.used=&field.omit_dupes=on&field.affects_ | 17:38 |
| tjones | 13 with no owner. help yourself to a bug ;-) | 17:38 |
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| tjones | sabari: which ones were you referring to? | 17:38 |
| tjones | here's an ugly link to the inprogress bugs | 17:39 |
| tjones | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bugs?field.searchtext=&orderby=-importance&search=Search&field.status%3Alist=INPROGRESS&assignee_option=any&field.assignee=&field.bug_reporter=&field.bug_commenter=&field.subscriber=&field.structural_subscriber=&field.tag=vmware+&field.tags_combinator=ANY&field.has_cve.used=&field.omit_dupes.used=&field.omit_dupes=on&field.affects_me.used=&field.has_patch.used=&field.has_branches.us | 17:39 |
| tjones | sorry should use a tinyyrl | 17:39 |
| sabari | tjones: nothing in particular, I was just looking for new reviews and there were far less bug fixes than usual. | 17:40 |
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| sabari | tjones: thankts for the links | 17:41 |
| sabari | I ll scout for the important ones. | 17:41 |
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| tjones | garryk has a good query but i cannot find it | 17:43 |
| tjones | #topic open discussion | 17:43 |
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| tjones | anyone have a topic for today? | 17:43 |
| tjones | (btw the link was #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+message:vmware,n,z) | 17:44 |
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| tjones | if not we can stop early | 17:45 |
| tjones | listening for slow typers..... | 17:45 |
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| tjones | thanks all. talk to you next week | 17:46 |
| sabari | tjones: okay! | 17:46 |
| tjones | #endmeeting | 17:46 |
| sabari | :) | 17:46 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Apr 16 17:46:14 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:46 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vmwareapi/2014/vmwareapi.2014-04-16-17.01.html | 17:46 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vmwareapi/2014/vmwareapi.2014-04-16-17.01.txt | 17:46 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vmwareapi/2014/vmwareapi.2014-04-16-17.01.log.html | 17:46 |
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| notmyname | swift team meeting time. who's here? | 19:01 |
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| cschwede | hello! | 19:02 |
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| torgomatic | sort of a little bit maybe | 19:02 |
| peluse | yo | 19:02 |
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| notmyname | #startmeeting swift | 19:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Apr 16 19:02:55 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is notmyname. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: swift)" | 19:03 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'swift' | 19:03 |
| notmyname | welcome. I'm on conference wifi, so I've got a lot of lag | 19:03 |
| notmyname | agenda this week is | 19:03 |
| creiht | howdy | 19:03 |
| notmyname | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Swift | 19:03 |
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| notmyname | #topic status of in-process functional tests | 19:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "status of in-process functional tests (Meeting topic: swift)" | 19:04 | |
| notmyname | portante this is your topic | 19:04 |
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| portante | sorry for joining late | 19:04 |
| notmyname | portante: you're up :-) | 19:04 |
| portante | :) | 19:04 |
| portante | so in-process func tests | 19:05 |
| notmyname | what's going on? what do you need? | 19:05 |
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| portante | in-process functional tests have been posted for review | 19:05 |
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| portante | they enable us to run the full suite of functional tests without using an external swift cluster | 19:06 |
| portante | for example: tox -e func | 19:06 |
| portante | or in a development environment, ./.functests, will just work | 19:06 |
| portante | with this we can generate coverage of core swift code from just the functional tests | 19:06 |
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| portante | and, if one is so inclined, | 19:06 |
| peluse | portante: dumb question but how does this differ from running ./.functests in my SAIO? | 19:07 |
| portante | write new functional tests easier, since debugging can be done much easier | 19:07 |
| portante | in your SAIO, you use: startmain; ./.functests | 19:07 |
| cschwede | peluse: you don’t need a SAIO | 19:07 |
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| portante | the startmain starts up all the daemon processes seaprately | 19:07 |
| peluse | ahhhh... | 19:07 |
| portante | here, with in-process, there are no daemon processes | 19:08 |
| peluse | OK, I'll take it for a spin | 19:08 |
| creiht | portante: were you able to hook up the coverage report stuff with the inprocess func tests? | 19:08 |
| portante | it is all run within the one process | 19:08 |
| portante | yes, it just works | 19:08 |
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| notmyname | portante: how so? we get a coverage report at the end? | 19:08 |
| portante | I believe so | 19:08 |
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| portante | but that may be from tox, I might have to check .functests to see | 19:08 |
| creiht | I think that is one of the biggest benefits of having the in-process functests | 19:09 |
| portante | agreed | 19:09 |
| portante | to me, the motivation was to step through functional tests to review code to see if it was doing what it said | 19:09 |
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| portante | what I am hoping we can do with this is make sure the storage policies is thoroughly tested | 19:10 |
| portante | I'd like to think we can use the coverage reports to help catch what needs shoring up | 19:10 |
| cschwede | i really like the approach, because it speeds up this whole „python … install ; swift-init restart ; .functests“ a lot | 19:10 |
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| portante | yes, that is another benefit | 19:10 |
| portante | there would no longer be any execuse for a dev not to first run func tests | 19:11 |
| * peluse wasn't aware there was an excuse today | 19:11 | |
| portante | in theory, one could do this with probe tests as well, but that will be another effort | 19:11 |
| notmyname | portante: what do you need from the rest of us? | 19:11 |
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| portante | review and testing | 19:11 |
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| portante | during this development, it was clear that there are *many* ways folks use the functional tests and in different setups | 19:12 |
| portante | so need to make sure folks are comfortable with the behaviors | 19:12 |
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| portante | there is an environment variable to explicitly turn them on/off | 19:12 |
| portante | but if you don't have a /etc/swift/test.conf, it will now run them in-process instead of skipping them | 19:12 |
| portante | additionally, there are two patches left to get in for this | 19:13 |
| portante | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/86710/ | 19:13 |
| portante | which is a base dependency to shore up constraint usage in the functional tests | 19:13 |
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| portante | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/66108/ | 19:13 |
| portante | which is the actual in-process patch set | 19:13 |
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| portante | there have been a number of very useful go-rounds of these pathes, and want to make sure the various sub-groups of devs (rax, eno, hp, ss) get eyes on them | 19:14 |
| portante | once this lands, I'd like to see them as part of the check/gate jobs as well | 19:15 |
| portante | any feedback, questions, concerns, or throw-portante-off-a-bus things that need to be said? | 19:15 |
| portante | bueller, bueller | 19:15 |
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| creiht | lol | 19:16 |
| peluse | I'll bang on it with SP and Yuanz's new SP functional tests | 19:16 |
| notmyname | they are today, aren't they? | 19:16 |
| clayg | there's patches, they need reviews - got it | 19:16 |
| notmyname | clayg: do you have any concerns on it for this meeting? | 19:16 |
| torgomatic | did folks ever figure out what they wanted as far as constraint precedence? there was a lot of back-and-forth on that | 19:16 |
| portante | I believe that has settled out in the first patch above, 86710 | 19:16 |
| torgomatic | ok, thanks | 19:16 |
| clayg | notmyname: i don't think so, i'll checkup on how the test.conf stuff shook out | 19:17 |
| portante | ss, rh and hp looked at things so far, but would love reps from the other orgs to consider it as well | 19:18 |
| notmyname | portante: anything else on that topic? | 19:18 |
| portante | nothing on my end | 19:18 |
| notmyname | ok, thanks | 19:18 |
| creiht | portante: yeah it is on my list | 19:18 |
| notmyname | #topic final Icehouse (Swift 1.13.1) check | 19:18 |
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| notmyname | anything that has come up that warrants a backport to 1.13.1? this is the final call | 19:19 |
| creiht | notmyname: not that I am aware of | 19:19 |
| notmyname | creiht: thanks | 19:19 |
| notmyname | clayg: portante: peluse: anythign from your end? | 19:19 |
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| portante | nothing here | 19:20 |
| clayg | yawn | 19:20 |
| notmyname | :-) | 19:20 |
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| clayg | notmyname: there's a few open bugs that are like weird, account-reaper, container-updater, object tombstones, I don't think any of them are regressions - but like... idk there out there | 19:21 |
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| clayg | yeah we need to do some bug triage | 19:24 |
| clayg | but I don't know of anything that seems to have broken as of late | 19:24 |
| notmyname | ok, I'll pass on to ttx that 1.13.1-rc2 is good to go for icehouse | 19:25 |
| notmyname | thanks | 19:25 |
| notmyname | #topic Oslo liason | 19:25 |
| notmyname | the oslo project is asking each project to nominate a core dev to be a liason to oslo | 19:25 |
| notmyname | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Oslo/ProjectLiaisons | 19:25 |
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| notmyname | see that link | 19:25 |
| notmyname | and I'll be asking for a volunteer :-) | 19:25 |
| notmyname | #topic storage policy status update | 19:25 |
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| notmyname | clayg: peluse: how's it going? | 19:25 |
| ttx | notmyname: received | 19:25 |
| peluse_ | working on docs mainly but doing so I discovered 3 gaps in current policy work on feature/ec | 19:25 |
| creiht | lol | 19:25 |
| peluse_ | 2 of them are here: SP support for recon middleware and container sync are ready for eyes at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/87387/ https://review.openstack.org/#/c/86469/ | 19:25 |
| creiht | probably shouldn't be me :) | 19:25 |
| peluse_ | third is SP support for acct reaper which I'll tackle next | 19:25 |
| clayg | creiht: should *totally* be you! | 19:25 |
| creiht | hah | 19:25 |
| creiht | notmyname: I can do it if you need | 19:26 |
| portante | I second creiht nomination of himself | 19:26 |
| creiht | I'll try to be nice :) | 19:26 |
| peluse_ | thanks everyone who has been reviewing the doc patch BTW, appreciate all the edits/feedback | 19:27 |
| clayg | peluse_: notmyname: making progress on the reconciler, moved on to some more stuff in the container-replicator (where there's more cleanup and tests falling out) - I'm starting converge on a hybridization of torgomatic approach and my original thoughts on the subject that is starting feel pretty good | 19:27 |
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| torgomatic | clayg: i'll definitely be interested to see that | 19:27 |
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| clayg | last night I started everything up and when all chaos monkey on my saio putting objects and containers all over the place, and the damn thing is to a point now where I'm gunna have think pretty hard to come up with something that will break it | 19:28 |
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| peluse_ | nice! | 19:28 |
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| clayg | it's starting to feel "like swift" - turn one thing of and something else picks up the slack - break it over here - and when it starts back up it puts thing back in order | 19:28 |
| portante | cool, perhaps encode that in probe tests / functional tests? | 19:29 |
| clayg | portante: yeah I have a few | 19:29 |
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| portante | clayg: great, I am out on vacation next week, but when I come back I can help review and/or write more probe tests if you have ideas for some | 19:32 |
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| notmyname | Moving to cell phone irc client | 19:32 |
| clayg | notmyname: lol | 19:32 |
| peluse_ | wow | 19:32 |
| peluse_ | portante: not related to SP, but can you take another quick look at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/87101/ before you head out for R&R? | 19:33 |
| portante | yes | 19:33 |
| peluse_ | gratzi | 19:33 |
| notmyname | I have no idea what's been said in here :) | 19:33 |
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| portante | not much | 19:34 |
| chmouel | R&R? | 19:34 |
| peluse_ | is it Fri yet? | 19:34 |
| portante | rest and relaxation | 19:34 |
| notmyname | Anything said about when policy patches might be proposed to master? | 19:34 |
| peluse_ | US military term, sorry | 19:34 |
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| clayg | notmyname: peluse_ and I already both already have some up? | 19:34 |
| notmyname | Ok :) | 19:35 |
| peluse_ | notmyname: as I understand it we still want to go with the 'complete' picture staged approach right? So we need the couple I mentioned before reviewd, clayg's stuff and the acct repaer before we can propose anything SP specifuc | 19:35 |
| clayg | or are you asking when the reconciler and the reaper and docs and all the other stuff is going to be done? | 19:35 |
| notmyname | Yes that :) | 19:35 |
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| notmyname | What peluse mentioned is good | 19:36 |
| peluse_ | I don't think repaer will take long, docs are coming along nicely I think so when clayg is ready I'll be ready :) | 19:36 |
| * clayg has total faith in peluse_ | 19:37 | |
| peluse_ | ha! | 19:37 |
| notmyname | What else needs to be brought up on storage policies in this meeting? | 19:37 |
| peluse_ | I think we need to rebase feature/ec | 19:38 |
| clayg | rebase - or just merge master down again? | 19:38 |
| peluse_ | ya | 19:38 |
| notmyname | Merge master in? | 19:38 |
| clayg | it was an either or question :P | 19:38 |
| notmyname | Ah ok | 19:38 |
| peluse_ | whatever we've been doing :) | 19:38 |
| notmyname | That thing. Do more of it | 19:39 |
| clayg | nice - yeah never hurts to get those upstream changes on feature/ec | 19:39 |
| peluse_ | will save ys pain later if we keep doing it weekly | 19:39 |
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| notmyname | Yes | 19:39 |
| notmyname | I can work on that | 19:40 |
| peluse_ | cool | 19:40 |
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| notmyname | Anything else? | 19:40 |
| peluse_ | dont think so | 19:41 |
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| notmyname | #topic open discussion | 19:41 |
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| peluse_ | well, one more quick plug for docs. Please read if you can: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/85824/ | 19:41 |
| notmyname | Yes. The docs patch is an essential starting point | 19:42 |
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| notmyname | What else would you like to discuss in the meeting right now? | 19:42 |
| cschwede | peluse_: actual, it’s a great way to get into SP! nice work | 19:42 |
| peluse_ | thanks! | 19:43 |
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| notmyname | If there is nothing else, let's adjourn this meeting | 19:44 |
| notmyname | Thanks for coming | 19:44 |
| peluse_ | rock on man... thanks | 19:44 |
| notmyname | #endmeeting | 19:44 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Apr 16 19:44:56 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:44 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2014/swift.2014-04-16-19.02.html | 19:45 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2014/swift.2014-04-16-19.02.txt | 19:45 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2014/swift.2014-04-16-19.02.log.html | 19:45 |
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